Can Your Mind Reverse Chronic Pain in Minutes? | Brandy Gillmore

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Hi, and welcome to the next episode of the Live Beyond the Norms Health and Longevity podcast.
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You may not have severe chronic pain.
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You may not be facing a health diagnosis that makes you feel that all hope is lost.
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But what can we learn about our own health from someone who was rejected from a clinical trial because, and I quote, we don't expect you to ever recover, end quote.
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Our next guest, Brandy Gilmore, is here to provide you with some health hope, even if your situation is not as dire as hers was.
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A little bit about Brandy.
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Brandy is a TEDx speaker, host of the award-winning podcast, Heal Yourself, Change Your Life, and the international best-selling author of Master Your Mind and Energy to Heal Your Body.
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Brandy has 109,000 followers on Instagram, and she has been featured on so much media, including CBS, NBC, and she has been endorsed by the likes of Sharon Stone, yes, the actress, Jack Canfield, and Dr. David Perlmutter.
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Her mission is to teach the life-changing mindset shifts that helps her recover from severe pain and illness.
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Hopefully, we can help her on that mission with this interview today.
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Brandi, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Chris, thank you so much for having me.
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It's such a pleasure to connect with you.
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All right.
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So before we jump into your area of expertise, your very dramatic story, I want to go further back.
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I want to go much further back.
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What was it like growing up, little Brandy?
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Where did you grow up?
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What were your parents like?
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And if there was some event or someone you could pinpoint as the reason you would ultimately become a mind body transformation expert, what or who would that be?
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Um, gosh, who would that be?
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Okay, so, um... Well, let's start with the easy stuff.
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Where did you grow up?
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What was it like being little Brandy?
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A little bit about your parents?
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Where did I grow up?
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Well, I was born in Southern California.
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Then at age around 9, 10, I moved up to Washington State.
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So I lived up there.
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And I did not love the snow.
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I've always been a Californian.
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I froze.
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And I was always like, okay, as soon as I turn 18, I'm going to move back to California because it was freezing.
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And I think that motivated me also to finish high school early, all of the things.
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It was cold.
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all of my parents, and not both, but all of my parents, I also had step-parents, probably influenced that in different ways of who I've become today.
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They all had really just different impacts.
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My parents did get divorced when I was about nine, and so that's what actually led to the move up to Washington State is they divorced, we had split custody, it was quite chaotic for a long period of time.
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Our motto became, we put the fun in dysfunctional,
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At least we could have a sense of humor about it after a while.
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So there was that.
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And, you know, I would say my mother has always been really, really strong.
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And my mother had me at a very young age.
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But her mother died at a young age from cancer.
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So my grandmother actually, we had the same birth date.
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We were both... Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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And she died at a young age.
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But my mother had always just been really, really strong.
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And so I would say some of my, like, seeing a strong woman has been good for me growing up.
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And I would say I was a little bit rebellious, not in a completely horrible way, but in a way that I was very independent that way.
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And so I would say that was helpful.
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My father got me into martial arts.
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And that was our thing.
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And so I got used to competing at high levels, you know, nationals, junior Olympics.
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All of the things eventually got nominated and gone into the Hall of Fame for martial arts.
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So that was taekwondo.
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So I would say that there was a sense of determination from that as well.
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I had a stepfather who used to say...
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He would say all the time, if you want something done right, you better do it yourself.
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Which I don't know that is still a good motto for me today because I have an amazing team who does a lot for me that I'm super, super grateful for.
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And if I had to do everything myself, it would be impossible.
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But at the time...
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of my injury when I wasn't healing, that was definitely a thought that came into my mind at some point was, well, if you want something done right, you better do it yourself.
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I better figure this out.
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So I would say a variety of different influences and a lot of determination and desperation.
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A couple of cool things.
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I happened to share my birthday with my father-in-law.
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So my wife's father.
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And then also my nephew, my brother, called me one day and was like, you have to share your birthday.
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And it just sounded like a horrible thing your brother tells you.
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Like I don't know why so simple-minded I was.
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It was like, I don't know.
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I'm not doing that.
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And then I realized my nephew was born on that day.
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So that's really cool.
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So it wasn't bad.
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Say that again.
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Then I said, then it wasn't bad.
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Then it was good.
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Yeah, no, it's good.
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Like it worked out good.
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And it's certainly with my wife.
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Like we have an amazing relationship.
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So that worked out.
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Her first kind of response was like, I hate Gemini's, right?
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So I'm a Gemini.
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And I was like, well, I'm different.
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But then there's, of course, a lot of similarities between her father and I.
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And she points that out regularly.
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She's like, that's not my issue.
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I am who I am.
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So that's kind of fun.
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How about entrepreneurship, right?
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So you're clearly an entrepreneurship, an entrepreneur, like anybody as you were growing up was entrepreneurial?
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Well, you know, actually, my father owned his own company.
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My stepfather owned his own company.
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So there was that.
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But if you had asked me if I was entrepreneurial, I would not have said that.
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I mean, I used to work in the corporate world.
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I worked in telecommunications.
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And I didn't plan on becoming entrepreneurial.
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They kind of just happened.
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I just, after I healed myself,
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I just wanted to show other people that they could do it too.
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And I still never saw it as a career.
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Like I was actually going back to network engineering operations, all of that.
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But then I was just helping people and it kind of unfolded where I ended up basically working with my last doctor and then starting to show people, you know, coach people on how to heal and use their mind and all of these things.
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So it just kind of unfolded.
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It was the last thing that I would have thought I would be doing.
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So working in IT, and I want to unwrap a little bit, but there's a really interesting kind of crossover here.
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As you're getting back into this IT career, you're helping people.
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What does that look like?
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Did just people kind of seek you out?
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I know at some point there was a TED Talk, but I think that was much later.
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How do you start helping?
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Like I tend to help my friends and provide guidance or whatever, but it sounds bigger than that.
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Yeah, basically, after I healed, there were people around me who said, well, I've had this pain, or I've had this problem, or this, and so I kind of just started showing them what I did.
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Now, it was interesting, because when I healed was around 2010, and I thought initially, you know, people are going to think that I'm crazy that I healed with my mind, and not only that, but...
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I don't like to speak on things unless I fully, fully, fully understand it myself, right?
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And I thought people are going to think like, how did she heal with the mind?
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So technically what happened is after I healed, everybody was amazed.
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And so what I started doing...
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First, I was going back to tech.
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So I got my convergent network technology certification.
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I was getting recertified on all of the things because I had to be out like seven years at that point.
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And everything has changed.
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It's all different.
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I used to work on something called Frame Really, and I don't even think they have it anymore.
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So all kinds of things, all kinds of tech.
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But anyways, so...
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Basically, long story short, once I got better, I was basically kind of helping people with nutrition, right?
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So I would help people and I'd say, you know, make sure to get water and your protein and vegetables and da-da-da-da-da and all of these things and maybe plant-based protein or whatever type, but get some type of protein and water and all of the things and supplements and whatnot.
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And then I was like...
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Well, you know, stress affects the body too.
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Let's talk about that, right?
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And so I would just, and then I would go, yeah, if you were maybe feeling some, you know, resentment towards your son or something like that or towards your spouse, and he would be like, oh my gosh, that's exactly what's going on.
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And then I would say, oh, well, let's talk about that.
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Yeah, it was a very ginger approach.
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Like you didn't have the confidence.
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Like I know ultimately, like in my case, in your case, it was a lot of emotions that you had to deal with.
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And so you didn't just kind of jump in with like, yeah, you're probably angry at your son or whatever.
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And you need to fix that.
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You started with, oh, what about stress?
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And where does it like you had this kind of softer approach?
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Super delicate.
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And even in the beginning, I was like,
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I would even tell people, well, why don't you go to therapy and work on this, et cetera, et cetera, and just work on it because I was very hands off.
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And just like I was at that point, I got certified in nutrition, and so that's what I was doing.
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And then I would know what was going on with intuition.
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Intuitively, I would know.
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And so I would just kind of delicately inquire and then say, well, why don't you work on that as well?
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So it was very delicate and hands off.
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Okay, so this is great.
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I want to come back to this.
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I want to go, let's go back a little bit and then we'll move forward into really like what sent you kind of spiraling down so that you could come up with solutions for yourself so then you could share solutions with people.
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How did you end up in networking engineering?
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Not typically a female endeavor, right?
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So you're outside the box at that time.
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What led you down that path?
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You know, I had always been really, really good at math.
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So that was like I was a math.
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I mean, in seventh grade, I was the only person in the school in geometry.
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Like I had my own little class.
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I was a self-study in a back class in that.
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There was no one there to even call you a geek.
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Like that's –
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I know, right?
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Except for freshman year in high school, I was the only freshman in trig.
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And so they called me the freshman.
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So all the seniors were in the class would say, hey, freshman, can you help me out?
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And we would joke back and forth because I was, yeah, it was, we had so much fun.
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But
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I had always been fast with math and figuring out problems.
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And so and I had also really, really wanted to leave Washington and go back to California.
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So basically at that time, tech was booming.
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Right.
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I mean, tech was I mean, America Online was my customer.
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who I ended up supporting.
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So that tells you, I mean, that tech was booming.
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So I went from Washington, moved to California, and then I, and I had, basically I finished high school early.
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And so my high school started allowing me to go to the college.
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So then I was going to college and high school at the same time, just finishing up a couple of classes and whatnot.
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And then, and then I moved to California and I was like, let me get, get out away from this cold and snow and all of the things.
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And,
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And then tech.
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So and then I got hired in tech support.
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And then I started to go into like there was like tech skills.
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So I went to tech skills and got my worked on my Cisco certified network CCNT.
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And so I was working on all of the certifications and it just was just booming.
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So that's how I ended up in tech.
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That was something very natural for you, like from the beginning.
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And during all this, you're in Taekwondo, like competing at a pretty high level.
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What did that kind of workload balance look like?
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I mean, maybe some of the timeframe is off, but share with me that, please.
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I actually, I left martial arts at that point.
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So I, yeah.
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That was a Washington thing mostly.
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When I left Washington, I left martial arts and, uh, yeah, no.
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So work was pretty full on, uh, busy and work friends life.
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Um, bought my first house when I was 19.
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So, uh, so yeah, it was a lot of busyness.
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You really wanted out of Washington.
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So bad.
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I would literally, I don't love cold.
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I would literally tell, I would probably say like every day.
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I'm going to move to California when I turn 18.
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So my parents are from Oregon and they always described and I don't know what you know how that carries up into Washington, but they are into Washington.
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But they always said that the people who are too weird for California went to Oregon.
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So it's a it's a bunch of fun people.
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My relatives are interesting characters.
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That sounds, they sound fun.
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And that does seem to make a lot of sense.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So you've got this great career.
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You've got this house at such an early age, and then disaster strikes.
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Walk us through what happened, please.
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Basically, I had a car accident and then I was like kind of had a messed up back.
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So then I had like, you know, the TENS unit and back pain and whatnot, you know, just ongoing back pain and all of the things.
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And I had that.
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And then I had a fall.
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And basically, I...
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Hold on one second.
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So is this the kind of car accident, like the car rolls?
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Or was it just something that, you know, maybe it wasn't that severe in terms of the car crash, but it just affected you dramatically?
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Yeah, I was twisted.
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The car came up and hit the front end.
230
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Oh, so it spun you around.
231
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Yeah, just tweet, whatever you want to go.
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Yeah.
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So it was, it wasn't, I wasn't...
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No rolling cars.
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It wasn't on the news, but like it was on your – I don't need that.
236
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I don't need to have the worst things in the world.
237
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You know, that I will always – that's the thing.
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Like, you know, I see people, you know, working with the minds who will end up getting linked up like a pride in hardship.
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You know, like kind of there's an example, you know, kind of like this.
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If you've ever heard somebody say this where somebody says, I had a bad day and somebody else says, you think that was bad?
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Let me tell you about my day.
242
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Now, what they're doing is they're one-upping.
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They're winning at having the worst day or the worst childhood or the worst whatever it is.
244
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And I'm always like, I don't want to win that game.
245
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That is the one game I don't want to win.
246
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Yeah.
247
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Yeah, I'm happy not winning that game.
248
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So you were already in severe pain after the car accident, right?
249
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And you talked about TENS units.
250
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They're trying to kind of work on your spine.
251
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Like, what are they doing at this point?
252
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I already had pain.
253
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I didn't know that I would call it severe.
254
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So I was really good at pushing through.
255
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That was me.
256
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Like, I even... One year, I won the Junior Olympics.
257
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I medaled in the Junior Olympics.
258
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And I think I got, like, a first and a third in the Junior Olympics.
259
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And...
260
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I dislocated my hip like two days before.
261
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And I still did all of the things.
262
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So I was somebody who was like, push through anything, just keep going.
263
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So, yes, I had.
264
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I assume you karate kidded that.
265
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Like that had to be how you won that tournament is you karate kidded the.
266
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Sorry.
267
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Pretty much.
268
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Your hip is out.
269
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So I don't know.
270
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I did get it popped in right before.
271
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Yeah.
272
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So but this is a testament.
273
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Like, you know how to push through.
274
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You know how to work hard.
275
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You know how to endure pain.
276
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So, OK, so go on.
277
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Yeah.
278
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Yeah.
279
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Which my, my, yeah, there was a whole nother thing, but, um, but anyway, so, yeah, so I would just push, I was pushing through, I was in pain.
280
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Yes.
281
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Um, but I was still working and doing and being and, and, uh, and then basically long story short, I, uh, I fell, I slipped and fell and I fell just wrong, just right.
282
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However you want to say it, but I fell right down on my spine and, and, uh,
283
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Basically ended up with a whole long list of ailments.
284
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And after that, I was like, you know, of course they were, you know, they had to carry me to the car.
285
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And everybody kept saying, we need to get an ambulance.
286
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We need to get an ambulance.
287
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We need to get an ambulance.
288
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And I was like, I don't want one.
289
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There was a nurse there on site and she said, move your head.
290
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And I moved my head.
291
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I couldn't, the rest of my body wasn't moving so well.
292
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But I got her enough to appease her enough that they then carried me
293
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Uh, to the car.
294
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And then I was like, you just resist it.
295
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No, I don't need it.
296
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I don't need it.
297
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And then, so, uh, I think it was either, I don't know, it was on, I think it was on a weekend day, Saturday or Sunday.
298
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But by that, basically after that, I ended up making an appointment first thing Monday or something like that.
299
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I don't know.
300
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It was 23 years ago now.
301
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So, uh, but, uh, yeah, but it was, uh, it just felt like it continued to inflame and get worse and worse.
302
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Yeah.
303
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from there.
304
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And so I kept trying to push through and push through because I had always done that.
305
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I always pushed through and it didn't work so well.
306
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So you had left taekwondo in Washington.
307
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What was your activity or were you kind of fairly active?
308
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Were you jogging?
309
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What were you doing to keep in shape, if anything?
310
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I was working a lot.
311
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Potentially nothing.
312
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I was worried.
313
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I was fit.
314
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You know, I would go, you know, yeah, I would do all kinds of things.
315
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I don't know that I had one particular gym sport at the time, but anything like, yeah.
316
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So I, gosh, I mean, sometimes we went down.
317
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Yeah.
318
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I mean, just living is a.
319
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I don't know exactly, to be honest with you.
320
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I'm like 23 years old.
321
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You were active, but maybe not exercising per se, right?
322
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Like it was just getting out.
323
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All right.
324
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So you have this fall.
325
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You're trying to push through the weekend.
326
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The situation is, are you struggling to get out of bed?
327
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Like what were you experiencing that said, okay, I'm going to the doctor on Monday?
328
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Uh, extreme pain, limited mobility, um, hard time walking, um, uh, extreme pain.
329
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Just, uh, I felt like my body was like inflamed.
330
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Um, and, uh, yeah, that I was a mess.
331
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So you get to the doctor.
332
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What are their first thoughts?
333
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Oh, we got to fix your – inspect, you know, whatever, x-ray your spine.
334
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Maybe there's something out of whack or like what are they coming up with right away?
335
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I would say, yeah.
336
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I would say, oh, actually in the car, because the way I got the nurse to be appeased is I said I would call my doctor.
337
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So I called my doctor.
338
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They increased some medication that I had already been on.
339
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So that was – so then –
340
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Basically, I said, maybe I, that's how I appeased everybody.
341
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I said, you know, I probably just flared up whatever was previously going on.
342
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So I was just trying to minimize all of that.
343
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And then, so I think he just increased my medication, went in for an MRI, x-rays.
344
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You know, to be honest with you, a lot of it is a blur.
345
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So I'm getting that sense.
346
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Yeah.
347
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Yeah.
348
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Yeah.
349
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I just noticed something interesting.
350
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You kind of have the symbol of a spine behind you in the image with the rocks.
351
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And I don't know if you've ever thought about that.
352
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I have not actually.
353
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But there we go.
354
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And then and then what's contrasting the kind of non not perfect spine?
355
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It's beautiful.
356
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.240
Actually, there's some really telling stuff there.
357
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All right.
358
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So you go to this initial appointment, you're increasing.
359
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What's your life like?
360
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Do you go back to work?
361
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Like, are you back at your IT job or trying to be back?
362
00:20:40.023 --> 00:20:41.403
Like, what does that look like?
363
00:20:41.743 --> 00:20:42.504
I try to.
364
00:20:42.604 --> 00:20:47.545
I actually, I lived in Sacramento at the time and I had just moved to a different tech.
365
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I started working in East Bay.
366
00:20:50.126 --> 00:20:54.867
So I started working in Oakland at the time for Nextel, actually, at the time.
367
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And so I had a co-worker.
368
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I said, look, I've been injured.
369
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And I was somebody like, I mean, if I had ever been, like, had a cold, I would grab a bottle of cough syrup and sip on it at my desk.
370
00:21:07.356 --> 00:21:08.696
I mean, that was the type of person.
371
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I didn't miss work.
372
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I didn't miss, you know.
373
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So I went in and I had her drive me and I was laying down the whole road, the whole time.
374
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And then I got in and I got to the elevator in the, there was a parking garage.
375
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So I got into the elevator.
376
00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:26.562
like hobbled into it and then I was just in tears.
377
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I was like, and so I laid in the car the entire rest.
378
00:21:29.384 --> 00:21:30.845
I was just like, I just, I can't.
379
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So I laid in the car the rest of the rest and I said, I'm fine.
380
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Just have your day and then drive me back, please.
381
00:21:40.891 --> 00:21:47.215
So I think there was that and I kept trying to push through and then I told my work, hey, I'm just going to take a couple weeks off.
382
00:21:47.775 --> 00:21:52.419
And they said, OK. And then I was getting all the MRIs and then going to see another doctor.
383
00:21:52.499 --> 00:21:53.480
And is that the other?
384
00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:55.961
And then it was like one week turned into like another month.
385
00:21:56.001 --> 00:21:57.783
And then I was like, OK, it's going to be one month.
386
00:21:57.843 --> 00:21:58.964
And then I kept like.
387
00:21:59.004 --> 00:22:05.369
So then it was like kind of just moving out that my job held my they held my position for a long time, like two years or something.
388
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A really long time.
389
00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:11.534
I don't know the exact amount of time, but I remember somebody going, gosh, they really want you to come back.
390
00:22:11.554 --> 00:22:13.255
I can't believe they're still holding your job for you.
391
00:22:13.795 --> 00:22:17.518
And what are, like, what's going on at these appointments, right?
392
00:22:17.538 --> 00:22:19.920
Like, they're, again, inspecting the spine.
393
00:22:20.081 --> 00:22:28.808
You know, this is, I think it's got a particular name that they give it, which probably is one of those names, which means we don't know what exactly is, what it is, right?
394
00:22:29.048 --> 00:22:39.437
I mean, at first, I mean, there was, I don't know, there was, what, spondylosis, and then there was spinal implant fractures, and...
395
00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:42.850
Nerve lesions.
396
00:22:42.870 --> 00:22:47.111
So I think one of the first ones was maybe nerve lesions, spondylosis.
397
00:22:47.931 --> 00:22:49.831
Then there was synovial cysts.
398
00:22:50.651 --> 00:22:55.132
Then a doctor mentioned it was like a Coke can.
399
00:22:55.192 --> 00:22:59.413
If you take a Coke can and you squish it down, it's squishing on the nerves.
400
00:23:01.153 --> 00:23:03.474
So it was a process.
401
00:23:03.514 --> 00:23:06.334
Then eventually it became adding in osteopenia.
402
00:23:08.334 --> 00:23:09.995
Then somebody... Then...
403
00:23:11.775 --> 00:23:23.947
My physical therapist was the one that was like, because I had extreme pain and she was like, cause there's a rare reflex neuro dystrophy, which is also called CRPS.
404
00:23:24.107 --> 00:23:30.333
Then she was like, you know, I think you have something else that's very rare that's commonly overlooked.
405
00:23:30.353 --> 00:23:33.496
Cause you could just touch my skin and it could burn even more.
406
00:23:33.516 --> 00:23:33.877
Oh wow.
407
00:23:34.397 --> 00:23:35.819
And it was just so much pain.
408
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.021
and heat and cold and all of the things.
409
00:23:39.081 --> 00:23:41.182
And so then that became a whole...
410
00:23:41.282 --> 00:23:42.323
So it was an unfoldment.
411
00:23:42.343 --> 00:23:44.385
But basically, it was like this.
412
00:23:45.285 --> 00:23:47.667
It was a waiting game to get into the next specialist.
413
00:23:47.747 --> 00:23:53.731
So it was basically when one doctor said, there's nothing else you could do for you, then I would literally beg them.
414
00:23:53.751 --> 00:23:56.573
I would say, look, I need something.
415
00:23:56.613 --> 00:23:57.434
I need somebody.
416
00:23:57.474 --> 00:23:59.415
They would say, well, there's this person here.
417
00:23:59.475 --> 00:24:02.057
So then I would get an appointment with that other person.
418
00:24:02.557 --> 00:24:03.238
And then it was...
419
00:24:04.588 --> 00:24:07.650
Two weeks away, four weeks away, six weeks away, whatever amount away.
420
00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:20.237
And then it was just like a waiting game in that time, which was basically looks like being awake all night and day and just trying to get sleep and survive to the next day, to the next appointment.
421
00:24:21.198 --> 00:24:21.318
Wow.
422
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.462
Turns out there's a lot of infomercials on at 3 a.m.
423
00:24:30.024 --> 00:24:34.306
I remember all sorts of exercise and health equipment from from the infomercials.
424
00:24:35.247 --> 00:24:35.527
Yep.
425
00:24:35.767 --> 00:24:36.588
And don't get me wrong.
426
00:24:36.628 --> 00:24:37.628
I did buy some of those.
427
00:24:38.709 --> 00:24:45.213
I've always had the theory that you could buy those and be engaged with them enough instead of doing a gym membership.
428
00:24:46.742 --> 00:24:50.505
You just get the new one and then you stay – you're entertained by it for some period of time.
429
00:24:52.066 --> 00:24:55.629
Is the pain – because I saw pictures of you in a wheelchair.
430
00:24:56.069 --> 00:24:58.431
Is the pain kind of waist down?
431
00:24:58.611 --> 00:25:00.492
Is it your entire body?
432
00:25:00.672 --> 00:25:01.853
Yeah.
433
00:25:01.893 --> 00:25:02.494
No.
434
00:25:02.614 --> 00:25:04.115
You may have seen – I don't know if you saw it.
435
00:25:04.135 --> 00:25:09.139
There's a thermal imaging scan of my back where you can see pain from my neck.
436
00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:09.479
No.
437
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.941
I would have – my physical therapist, she would come over.
438
00:25:12.301 --> 00:25:13.542
Sometimes she would –
439
00:25:14.288 --> 00:25:15.368
not even getting paid for it.
440
00:25:15.388 --> 00:25:35.312
Like she would, on her own time, would be like, she would come over and she would take tape and she would try to tape me from the back, from the base of my neck all the way down to my feet and down my legs with like little different patterns and whatnot, trying to slightly lift the skin off of, to try to reduce pain and whatnot.
441
00:25:35.352 --> 00:25:38.233
So it was, no, it was throughout my body.
442
00:25:38.813 --> 00:25:39.093
So...
443
00:25:39.952 --> 00:25:49.038
And then, like, this feels already low enough, but then another really low moment happens as it relates to a study.
444
00:25:49.098 --> 00:25:50.819
Can you share that story, please?
445
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.300
Yeah, yeah.
446
00:25:53.320 --> 00:25:57.743
Yeah, so the low point was when I would hear the trash truck go by and I would think.
447
00:25:59.338 --> 00:26:03.380
I wonder if I could push my wheelchair out in front of it and just end it all.
448
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:04.520
Just throw me in.
449
00:26:05.221 --> 00:26:07.582
My brain just started going in the wrong direction.
450
00:26:08.282 --> 00:26:16.666
And that's an interesting point because I think most people have experienced, I don't know, super high fever or just a nagging pain.
451
00:26:16.766 --> 00:26:17.366
I remember even…
452
00:26:18.147 --> 00:26:21.150
I had scabies at one point and it was just so itchy.
453
00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:23.794
You're just like, oh my God, this needs to stop.
454
00:26:24.194 --> 00:26:29.821
Like, you just get into this mental state of like, okay, like there is a way that it will stop.
455
00:26:29.921 --> 00:26:31.343
Like we all know that way.
456
00:26:31.443 --> 00:26:32.944
I don't really want to go down.
457
00:26:33.125 --> 00:26:33.926
So you were there.
458
00:26:34.506 --> 00:26:36.387
Oh, yeah, I was I was there.
459
00:26:36.487 --> 00:26:39.748
But yeah, that was probably most one of the most frustrating feelings.
460
00:26:39.808 --> 00:26:46.371
It was just like if I could just get 10 minutes without pain, it would just be like that feeling of just make it like I just need this to stop.
461
00:26:46.891 --> 00:26:47.611
Yeah, that.
462
00:26:47.991 --> 00:26:49.872
Yeah, it was a mess.
463
00:26:50.372 --> 00:26:57.995
So then I was like looking at I was researching everything I could find because every single doctor kept saying, you know, there's nothing else we can do for you or else they would do some type of
464
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:08.489
injections or nerve ablations or infusions or lidocaine push or, you know, just different things at different times to try to reduce pain.
465
00:27:09.349 --> 00:27:13.293
And then and I was looking at like different countries.
466
00:27:13.353 --> 00:27:15.515
Okay, do I need to go here or there or whatever?
467
00:27:15.755 --> 00:27:20.699
And then I finally I got into this study and I thought, oh my God, this is it.
468
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.620
This is exactly.
469
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:22.801
I'm going to get my life back.
470
00:27:22.841 --> 00:27:24.502
And I was so stoked.
471
00:27:24.562 --> 00:27:25.263
I felt like
472
00:27:25.693 --> 00:27:27.774
a kid counting down the days to Christmas.
473
00:27:27.854 --> 00:27:31.297
I was literally like counting down the days to this study.
474
00:27:31.337 --> 00:27:40.042
The study came and it was funny because I actually, and I remember this clear as day, like I actually cared what I wore that day, which I didn't care what I wore for a long period of time.
475
00:27:40.062 --> 00:27:40.763
At this point, yeah.
476
00:27:41.443 --> 00:27:45.026
And I was just, I felt like I was going to the hospital to get my life back.
477
00:27:45.666 --> 00:27:52.674
You know, and so and so like they took me, they wheeled me into my wheelchair and they got me all prepped for this procedure.
478
00:27:52.694 --> 00:28:02.706
And I'm laying there on the hospital bed just, you know, thinking about all of the things that I'm going to do and the places that I'm going to go and friends and family and just all of these things.
479
00:28:02.786 --> 00:28:04.888
And the doctor, he comes in.
480
00:28:05.937 --> 00:28:09.001
And when he came in, you could tell something was off.
481
00:28:09.061 --> 00:28:12.226
He just had kind of a little bit limited eye contact.
482
00:28:12.246 --> 00:28:13.527
He was just quiet.
483
00:28:13.588 --> 00:28:14.649
He was looking down.
484
00:28:14.669 --> 00:28:23.361
I was like, you know, and then basically said, you know, there's, he just said, you know, Miss Gilmore, I'm sorry, but you can't be a part of this study.
485
00:28:24.145 --> 00:28:27.066
We don't expect that you're going to get better.
486
00:28:27.086 --> 00:28:28.247
We don't expect it to help you.
487
00:28:29.147 --> 00:28:30.948
And so I begged him.
488
00:28:31.288 --> 00:28:33.089
I was like, but please, I'm willing.
489
00:28:33.149 --> 00:28:33.549
I'm willing.
490
00:28:33.569 --> 00:28:33.929
It's okay.
491
00:28:33.949 --> 00:28:36.931
Even if you don't think it's going to work, I'm still willing.
492
00:28:36.991 --> 00:28:43.233
And basically he said, long story short, he said I would ruin the results from the study.
493
00:28:43.293 --> 00:28:46.155
So he couldn't let me be a part.
494
00:28:47.075 --> 00:28:48.156
And at that point, I kind of...
495
00:28:49.582 --> 00:28:53.163
you know, pulled a little bit of a, like, I was, can I speak to your manager?
496
00:28:56.383 --> 00:28:57.684
Did you send in God, please?
497
00:28:57.784 --> 00:28:59.144
Like, I would like to have a conversation.
498
00:28:59.784 --> 00:29:01.524
Yeah.
499
00:29:01.684 --> 00:29:02.005
Yeah.
500
00:29:02.305 --> 00:29:10.766
And I don't know, he could have been the lead and I don't, it wasn't your manager, but I was like, can I speak to some, like, so he left and he came back and he was gone for a long period of time.
501
00:29:10.786 --> 00:29:13.767
I kind of wondered if he actually abandoned me and just was not coming back.
502
00:29:14.588 --> 00:29:25.764
And, uh, and eventually he came back and he said, look, we'll go ahead and give you the treatment, but you can't be a part of the actual study because we don't want you to ruin the results.
503
00:29:26.525 --> 00:29:28.488
And so I got the treatment, uh,
504
00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:32.050
Um, I don't remember going home that day.
505
00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:38.272
Um, I don't know what happened next, but the next memory I have is I woke up in my same bed.
506
00:29:38.292 --> 00:29:40.793
You know, it's kind of like that waking up on Christmas morning.
507
00:29:40.813 --> 00:29:45.095
You're expecting as a kid, you're expecting all the moon and the stars and all these things.
508
00:29:45.155 --> 00:29:53.078
But the next memory I have is I woke up and I was still in so much pain and I was just like, um,
509
00:29:54.106 --> 00:29:54.666
It didn't work.
510
00:29:54.947 --> 00:29:57.288
And I just, at that point, I didn't want to open my eyes.
511
00:29:57.328 --> 00:29:58.328
I was just like, what's the point?
512
00:29:58.348 --> 00:29:59.149
I don't want to live.
513
00:29:59.949 --> 00:30:00.810
I can't do this.
514
00:30:00.890 --> 00:30:09.635
If that's, like, I can't live another 70 years or 50, however many years, I cannot do this anymore.
515
00:30:09.655 --> 00:30:12.957
Do you remember what that procedure was?
516
00:30:13.057 --> 00:30:17.840
Like, what was the trial about?
517
00:30:17.860 --> 00:30:19.641
I don't remember.
518
00:30:19.661 --> 00:30:21.021
I don't know.
519
00:30:21.182 --> 00:30:22.662
I don't even know if they ever told me.
520
00:30:23.323 --> 00:30:23.623
Mm-hmm.
521
00:30:24.309 --> 00:30:25.910
I don't know if they tell you what it is.
522
00:30:26.370 --> 00:30:29.711
But I do remember going leading up to the study thinking, you know, please don't get this.
523
00:30:30.071 --> 00:30:30.711
Please don't get this.
524
00:30:30.971 --> 00:30:34.132
The please don't get the placebo.
525
00:30:34.172 --> 00:30:35.052
I want the real thing.
526
00:30:35.092 --> 00:30:37.313
Please don't get the placebo.
527
00:30:37.773 --> 00:30:43.775
So what was interesting is that I was I was laying there and I was just like, I don't even want to live anymore.
528
00:30:43.795 --> 00:30:44.535
What's the point?
529
00:30:45.235 --> 00:30:50.357
Then I had this voice or thought come into my mind that was like, well, what about the placebo?
530
00:30:51.537 --> 00:30:53.258
And that was a big pivot for me.
531
00:30:55.011 --> 00:31:03.896
So it's kind of interesting because what you ended up getting was the opposite, was the nocebo effect, right?
532
00:31:04.117 --> 00:31:10.080
Like there is a potential that that strategy, that treatment actually works.
533
00:31:10.460 --> 00:31:14.623
But he convinced you before you went into it that it wasn't going to work for you.
534
00:31:15.288 --> 00:31:18.270
You know, honestly, I've thought about it, and there's a lot of potentials.
535
00:31:18.290 --> 00:31:19.091
There's a potential.
536
00:31:19.131 --> 00:31:20.071
He didn't even give it to me.
537
00:31:20.091 --> 00:31:20.932
There's a potential.
538
00:31:21.032 --> 00:31:22.373
He was like, you know what?
539
00:31:22.653 --> 00:31:23.534
We're going to tell her.
540
00:31:24.054 --> 00:31:26.936
We'll just call her the placebo group anyway.
541
00:31:27.276 --> 00:31:28.697
And be like, okay.
542
00:31:29.038 --> 00:31:30.379
There's a lot I've wondered.
543
00:31:32.035 --> 00:31:32.576
I don't know.
544
00:31:32.856 --> 00:31:36.020
All I know is I'm happy and healthy and I can run now.
545
00:31:36.060 --> 00:31:37.962
I'm not in any pain and I've been healthy.
546
00:31:37.982 --> 00:31:40.384
I haven't had any illness for 16 years.
547
00:31:40.465 --> 00:31:44.489
So what I do know is I'm happy there, but I have wondered.
548
00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:46.271
I have wondered, did he actually even give it to me?
549
00:31:46.691 --> 00:31:47.673
They said they did.
550
00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:53.443
He certainly tried hard to convince you it wasn't going to work.
551
00:31:54.103 --> 00:31:57.206
No, I don't think he I think he was just like he just wanted me out of the study.
552
00:31:57.546 --> 00:31:59.768
He didn't want me to ruin his results.
553
00:31:59.808 --> 00:32:00.248
The results.
554
00:32:00.608 --> 00:32:00.929
All right.
555
00:32:01.049 --> 00:32:06.713
So you start thinking, interestingly, please don't be in the placebo group.
556
00:32:06.853 --> 00:32:12.097
And then you come out of it and you have this kind of epiphany with placebo and the potential there.
557
00:32:12.217 --> 00:32:12.818
Talk about that.
558
00:32:13.358 --> 00:32:20.283
So then I thought, it was silly, but then I was laying there and I was like, okay, well, wait a second.
559
00:32:20.343 --> 00:32:23.465
If there's, like, it was like, what about the placebo?
560
00:32:23.485 --> 00:32:24.426
And then I was like, well, you know,
561
00:32:26.417 --> 00:32:33.905
It's a known fact that a certain percentage of people could get better or have some type of improvement just from the placebo.
562
00:32:33.945 --> 00:32:40.812
So I started thinking, well, if I could figure out the placebo, then if there's still a chance that I can get better, I can't give up.
563
00:32:41.152 --> 00:32:44.216
Like the only reason I wanted to give up is because I felt like I couldn't get better.
564
00:32:44.236 --> 00:32:45.977
So if there was still hope, I'll take it.
565
00:32:46.578 --> 00:32:48.920
And so I started, you know, just thinking in that way.
566
00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:54.383
Now, what I used to do in tech was actually, I was really good at troubleshooting.
567
00:32:54.623 --> 00:32:58.206
So I was like, if they didn't, people couldn't figure things out.
568
00:32:58.226 --> 00:32:59.366
A lot of times they would give it to me.
569
00:32:59.527 --> 00:33:02.208
Like they would be like second level, couldn't figure it out.
570
00:33:02.248 --> 00:33:05.430
Like they would give things to me and I would figure out all kinds of things.
571
00:33:06.411 --> 00:33:08.552
My brain is very good at finding solutions.
572
00:33:08.753 --> 00:33:12.175
That has always been like my, my superpower, if you will.
573
00:33:12.795 --> 00:33:13.736
And so, um,
574
00:33:15.006 --> 00:33:22.780
And so, but at this point with the placebo, I just started reading a bunch of things on mind-body healing and...
575
00:33:24.425 --> 00:33:30.809
And I also, I mean, at first I was like, well, I wonder if I could convince my doctor to then just give me a placebo and we could see if it works.
576
00:33:30.909 --> 00:33:35.411
And so, I mean, at first it was kind of like, or I wonder if I could trick myself into a placebo.
577
00:33:35.491 --> 00:33:40.374
And, you know, just having silly, ridiculous, but resourceful thoughts at the time, at least.
578
00:33:41.054 --> 00:33:41.935
It was a bit of a shift.
579
00:33:42.015 --> 00:33:48.038
And then I started, like, reading about mind-body healing and then meditation and positive thinking.
580
00:33:48.078 --> 00:33:50.580
And then The Secret came out, the movie The Secret.
581
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:50.880
Oh, yeah.
582
00:33:51.020 --> 00:33:52.201
him out around that time.
583
00:33:52.241 --> 00:33:54.702
So then I was walking around or going through my life.
584
00:33:54.722 --> 00:33:55.963
No, not really walking around.
585
00:33:56.323 --> 00:34:05.889
But thinking, I was picturing the person in the placebo walk or in the movie, but I was like, I'm gratitude and I'm so grateful for my healing.
586
00:34:05.929 --> 00:34:14.034
And I just was convincing myself because at that time, I mistakenly thought that the placebo worked solely due to belief.
587
00:34:15.134 --> 00:34:22.038
And so at that time, as I was reading the placebo, I thought all the literature said you just have to believe.
588
00:34:22.698 --> 00:34:29.981
Then there was the secret and I was being grateful for my healing and I was believing and it wasn't working.
589
00:34:30.362 --> 00:34:43.228
And so then I was doing like frequencies and binaural beats and more and more meditation and detoxes and fasts and lemonade cleanse and diet and supplements and...
590
00:34:44.301 --> 00:34:54.606
about every single thing that I could think of, reflexology, acupuncture, acupressure, Reiki, all of the things, and it wasn't working.
591
00:34:54.846 --> 00:34:59.808
And I would say there was just a lot of different events that I started just learning from.
592
00:34:59.828 --> 00:35:07.252
Another thing that happened during that time is I had another friend who had actually been diagnosed with lung cancer who...
593
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:34.677
came who was doing a lot of the same things that I was doing the well the grateful for your healing and believing you're already healed and the meditation and the positive thinking and the affirmations and the reiki and all of the things and it came to the end of the road for her and um and so a friend picked me up and and took me to go see her to basically she had friend called me up and said you know it's it's the end of the road um
594
00:35:35.107 --> 00:35:36.047
do you want to say goodbye?
595
00:35:36.127 --> 00:35:37.187
And I said, yes, of course.
596
00:35:37.207 --> 00:35:38.108
So I went over there.
597
00:35:38.428 --> 00:35:40.648
So she picked me up, went over there, and I said goodbye.
598
00:35:41.668 --> 00:35:59.752
And when I left, it was like I had this picture of her in my head, and I thought, God, that's kind of what I look like every day because I was spending so much time meditating and in theta state and the vagus nerve and frequencies and all of the things that I was trying so hard to do all those things.
599
00:35:59.792 --> 00:36:01.533
And I just started questioning everything.
600
00:36:01.573 --> 00:36:03.313
I thought, well, you know, if...
601
00:36:04.816 --> 00:36:07.660
If relaxation was so healing, why didn't she heal?
602
00:36:08.141 --> 00:36:09.623
She had been in hospice for months.
603
00:36:10.785 --> 00:36:14.270
And she was bed, you know, yeah, why didn't she heal?
604
00:36:14.310 --> 00:36:15.792
Why don't people in a coma heal?
605
00:36:15.852 --> 00:36:18.737
And so I started questioning the whole relaxation thing.
606
00:36:18.797 --> 00:36:19.838
I started questioning...
607
00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:20.939
Everything.
608
00:36:20.999 --> 00:36:22.681
I started questioning the placebo.
609
00:36:23.542 --> 00:36:30.247
And I thought, well, if the placebo works due to belief, we've been like I believed a lot of things would work.
610
00:36:30.307 --> 00:36:33.810
And then I started finding stuff like the open label placebo.
611
00:36:33.850 --> 00:36:35.531
Are you familiar with the open label placebo?
612
00:36:36.452 --> 00:36:36.732
I am.
613
00:36:36.772 --> 00:36:43.598
But please explain it because it's whoever if whoever hasn't heard of open label placebo is about to be blown away.
614
00:36:44.863 --> 00:36:45.184
Yeah.
615
00:36:45.284 --> 00:36:49.607
So as I was reading, trying to figure out how the placebo worked, I came across exactly that.
616
00:36:49.667 --> 00:36:53.030
The open label placebo, which is exactly like it sounds.
617
00:36:53.110 --> 00:36:54.511
It is open label.
618
00:36:54.792 --> 00:36:59.436
So both the doctor and the patient both know it's fake and it still works.
619
00:37:00.116 --> 00:37:10.345
And so I was like, well, it was like both the doctor and the patient know that they're receiving a quote unquote sugar pill.
620
00:37:11.776 --> 00:37:12.917
And it still works.
621
00:37:13.517 --> 00:37:23.644
And then I'm going to add another one that I'm aware of, which is if they're paying for it, the more they pay for it, the better it works, even though they know it's a placebo.
622
00:37:23.764 --> 00:37:27.727
Like it is it is amazing how well the placebo effect works.
623
00:37:28.603 --> 00:37:28.903
Right?
624
00:37:29.043 --> 00:37:29.423
It is.
625
00:37:29.804 --> 00:37:37.087
And there was, oh my gosh, there was a placebo effect on ayahuasca recently that was like double the normal placebo levels.
626
00:37:37.167 --> 00:37:42.289
Because there's also, if there's maybe a, in that I would say there was a novelty about it.
627
00:37:42.329 --> 00:37:44.170
So then it's super cool.
628
00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:47.652
So, you know, it's, so it's interesting.
629
00:37:47.712 --> 00:37:47.972
So...
630
00:37:49.012 --> 00:37:51.113
But yeah, so I started just questioning everything.
631
00:37:51.173 --> 00:37:56.116
I was like, because I had been reading for years, you know, meditation and positive thinking and belief.
632
00:37:56.156 --> 00:38:00.899
And I mean, so much so I was like convincing myself every day that I was healed.
633
00:38:00.939 --> 00:38:05.542
So I like I mean, I was I'm whole, healthy, and complete.
634
00:38:05.622 --> 00:38:06.162
I am healed.
635
00:38:06.202 --> 00:38:07.463
I mean, I was like writing.
636
00:38:07.543 --> 00:38:14.627
I would I would get done writing with my right hand and then write with my left hand to make sure it got in both sides of my brain, so to speak.
637
00:38:15.467 --> 00:38:20.728
So in some context, despite all the pain, you were healed, right?
638
00:38:20.748 --> 00:38:24.429
Like in some context, like you had convinced yourself you were, despite the pain.
639
00:38:24.449 --> 00:38:24.649
Yeah.
640
00:38:25.189 --> 00:38:25.529
Go ahead.
641
00:38:26.029 --> 00:38:27.309
Yeah.
642
00:38:27.729 --> 00:38:29.229
So it was, yeah.
643
00:38:29.610 --> 00:38:42.612
So then I found research on multiple personality disorder, where people with multiple personality disorder could have different illnesses in different personalities, and they could shift differently.
644
00:38:43.525 --> 00:38:43.965
Immediately.
645
00:38:44.365 --> 00:38:50.647
Like there was a woman who was medically blind in some personalities, but not in others.
646
00:38:50.667 --> 00:38:51.807
She could see in others.
647
00:38:52.188 --> 00:38:53.248
And it was medically proven.
648
00:38:54.848 --> 00:38:58.669
There were there was another woman who was a Holocaust survivor.
649
00:38:59.410 --> 00:39:01.490
In some personalities, she had headaches.
650
00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:02.891
Others, she had asthma.
651
00:39:03.471 --> 00:39:04.631
Others, she had back pain.
652
00:39:05.131 --> 00:39:07.272
So some of them, she didn't have any illness at all.
653
00:39:08.598 --> 00:39:12.561
And, of course, I thought, well, how do I get a personality that's healed?
654
00:39:12.841 --> 00:39:16.003
I'm looking for personality number two, the one with no back pain.
655
00:39:16.023 --> 00:39:16.363
Exactly.
656
00:39:17.084 --> 00:39:17.704
Exactly.
657
00:39:17.764 --> 00:39:22.467
And, of course, I have so much compassion for people with multiple personality disorder, but that is exactly what I thought.
658
00:39:23.027 --> 00:39:25.809
How do I – because they didn't have to meditate for years.
659
00:39:25.829 --> 00:39:27.390
They didn't have to believe for years.
660
00:39:27.450 --> 00:39:32.794
They didn't have to – like I had been – by the time I found this research, I mean I had been meditating for like –
661
00:39:33.835 --> 00:39:35.476
four, five, six years.
662
00:39:35.516 --> 00:39:37.819
I mean, I had been, it was full on.
663
00:39:37.859 --> 00:39:42.464
So I was trying to figure out how to activate this so I could heal.
664
00:39:42.524 --> 00:39:50.473
And so that, so it sent me down this whole rabbit hole going, okay, how does this work and how do I use the mind to actually activate this?
665
00:39:50.533 --> 00:39:53.416
And I would say that was the biggest turning point.
666
00:39:53.997 --> 00:39:54.137
Mm-hmm.
667
00:39:54.808 --> 00:39:56.649
And so what was the next step?
668
00:39:56.849 --> 00:39:57.589
Don't leave us hanging.
669
00:39:59.410 --> 00:40:00.951
So it's about that time.
670
00:40:00.991 --> 00:40:04.673
Might I ask, which one am I speaking with?
671
00:40:04.693 --> 00:40:06.234
The one that doesn't experience pain, right?
672
00:40:06.714 --> 00:40:07.975
Well, today is number 10.
673
00:40:09.436 --> 00:40:10.816
I try to keep up with the iPhone.
674
00:40:10.836 --> 00:40:12.177
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675
00:40:14.445 --> 00:40:16.626
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688
00:41:12.657 --> 00:41:20.222
So you kind of have this epiphany with kind of multiple personality disorder that like there's different wiring happening.
689
00:41:20.382 --> 00:41:23.904
And, okay, now maybe you can elicit that in yourself.
690
00:41:24.004 --> 00:41:24.905
What's the next steps?
691
00:41:25.758 --> 00:41:29.379
Yeah, basically, of course, I could not figure it out initially.
692
00:41:29.600 --> 00:41:33.081
I was like, okay, because I had already tried to convince myself as being healed.
693
00:41:33.161 --> 00:41:35.242
I had already tried to tell myself I was healed.
694
00:41:35.322 --> 00:41:38.603
I had already tried to bring in the self-image that I was healed.
695
00:41:38.623 --> 00:41:42.965
I had worked with my self-image on healing and all of the things and read all about that.
696
00:41:44.025 --> 00:41:52.009
And so what I started to do is actually what I used to do in network ops and engineering and tech, is I started to simplify everything.
697
00:41:52.249 --> 00:41:54.510
And I said, okay, let me just break this down and simplify it.
698
00:41:55.560 --> 00:41:58.147
How can I see that the mind affects the physical body?
699
00:41:59.391 --> 00:41:59.872
Emotions.
700
00:41:59.932 --> 00:42:02.339
If somebody's embarrassed, their face can turn red.
701
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:03.963
Okay, I get that.
702
00:42:05.430 --> 00:42:09.693
And at this time, I thought emotions were ridiculous, by the way, because I was in the corporate world.
703
00:42:09.733 --> 00:42:11.094
So I was like, okay, yeah, I get it.
704
00:42:11.134 --> 00:42:12.355
Embarrassed, face turned red.
705
00:42:12.555 --> 00:42:12.955
Okay.
706
00:42:13.496 --> 00:42:15.177
Oh, somebody can have a nervous stomach.
707
00:42:15.537 --> 00:42:15.998
Okay.
708
00:42:16.558 --> 00:42:17.239
Anxiety.
709
00:42:17.319 --> 00:42:18.940
Somebody can have a panic attack.
710
00:42:19.641 --> 00:42:19.901
Okay.
711
00:42:19.941 --> 00:42:26.126
Sexual thought, sexual physical response, different for men or women, but there's a mind-body connection there.
712
00:42:26.146 --> 00:42:30.389
And I thought, yes, but how much can the mind really affect the physical body?
713
00:42:30.729 --> 00:42:31.430
And I thought, well...
714
00:42:32.853 --> 00:42:33.673
To the point of death.
715
00:42:33.933 --> 00:42:37.654
You know, somebody can be scared to death where they're so scared their heart stops.
716
00:42:38.214 --> 00:42:40.054
Or somebody can die of a broken heart.
717
00:42:40.214 --> 00:42:43.355
They can lose somebody that they loved and die.
718
00:42:44.155 --> 00:42:45.395
And I thought, well, wait a second here.
719
00:42:45.655 --> 00:42:57.578
And then, of course, I started researching psychoneuroimmunology and immune cells and activity in the cells and just looking at all of the ways the mind-body connection.
720
00:42:57.598 --> 00:42:58.818
And I thought, well, wait a second here.
721
00:42:59.967 --> 00:43:19.633
embarrassment, we know that that can affect the face, anxiety, okay, somebody can have a nervous stomach, okay, sweaty palms, okay, you know, somebody can die of a broken heart, and I thought, okay, does it make sense that these six emotions affect the physical body, and the rest of the emotions are doing nothing?
722
00:43:20.873 --> 00:43:22.134
And that doesn't make sense.
723
00:43:22.154 --> 00:43:24.175
And even there was a phrase, bored to death.
724
00:43:24.615 --> 00:43:29.538
And technically, there's actually research that shows that people who are more bored can have a higher rate of death.
725
00:43:29.798 --> 00:43:31.699
And, you know, there's a widowhood effect.
726
00:43:32.059 --> 00:43:37.462
And so I just, the more I started looking, I said, okay, well, stress can affect the physical body.
727
00:43:38.302 --> 00:43:46.947
And basically what I ended up figuring out was this, is that I said, I questioned it because I've been at this point now questioning everything.
728
00:43:47.347 --> 00:43:48.508
And I thought, well, wait a second here.
729
00:43:48.528 --> 00:43:48.728
Yeah.
730
00:43:50.033 --> 00:43:55.479
There are people with severe PTSD and severe trauma that aren't sick.
731
00:43:55.499 --> 00:44:01.585
They're military or police officers who have been through very traumatic experiences or other people, and they're not sick.
732
00:44:02.206 --> 00:44:03.307
So how does that work?
733
00:44:04.555 --> 00:44:10.740
And so I said, if it was just stress, and basically what I began to figure out is that it was a combination of emotions was the key.
734
00:44:11.461 --> 00:44:18.366
And a simple way to think about it is like this, is that if somebody wants to make cake and they only have flour, they cannot make cake.
735
00:44:18.426 --> 00:44:24.951
But if they have flour and they mix it with eggs and butter or vegan eggs and butter and other ingredients, now they have cake, they change the recipe completely.
736
00:44:25.812 --> 00:44:26.853
They get something else.
737
00:44:26.893 --> 00:44:38.118
And that's how I figured out it was possible for somebody with multiple personality disorder to have one illness in one personality, different illness in a different personality, no illness in a different personality, etc.
738
00:44:38.158 --> 00:44:41.320
And so it was just identifying the specific combination.
739
00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:44.161
And so that's ultimately what I did to heal myself.
740
00:44:44.321 --> 00:44:48.623
And then after I healed, I started helping people do that very thing.
741
00:44:48.663 --> 00:44:51.244
I said, okay, let's figure out that combination.
742
00:44:51.724 --> 00:44:53.745
What is the combination to crack the code?
743
00:44:54.325 --> 00:44:57.706
And let's identify those patterns and then genuinely shift them.
744
00:44:58.046 --> 00:45:07.250
And that's the way that I've seen people get all kinds of incredible results is just by identifying that, but they're tricky and they can be very counterintuitive.
745
00:45:08.203 --> 00:45:12.269
So but but it's that it's identifying the pattern and then genuinely shifting it.
746
00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:18.437
If I've got the timeline right, your friend passes away with lung cancer.
747
00:45:19.250 --> 00:45:23.552
you kind of have a kind of reckoning, like, okay, well, that's not working.
748
00:45:23.592 --> 00:45:28.075
The secret is, I think is useful, but it's not solving the problem.
749
00:45:28.175 --> 00:45:34.559
What kind of timeframe are we looking at between that and when you really start to feel?
750
00:45:34.799 --> 00:45:38.381
And do you like solve something and the next day everything's fine?
751
00:45:38.581 --> 00:45:44.884
Or are you kind of working on these emotions and this combination of emotions and it's over the course of a couple months?
752
00:45:44.944 --> 00:45:47.486
Or like, what does that kind of healing process look like for you?
753
00:45:47.913 --> 00:45:53.435
Number one, I'm going to tell you, time was a funny thing for several reasons.
754
00:45:54.055 --> 00:46:00.197
One, when you don't care what day it was and you don't know what day it is and you don't really sleep.
755
00:46:01.018 --> 00:46:03.619
One day runs into the next month, runs into the next month.
756
00:46:03.879 --> 00:46:05.579
Sometimes you just don't want to know what day it is.
757
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:12.242
So there were times when my friend would send me a picture of her kids and suddenly they went from like,
758
00:46:12.902 --> 00:46:14.502
very short to taller and taller.
759
00:46:14.522 --> 00:46:16.883
And it's like, you didn't want to know what, how many years.
760
00:46:16.903 --> 00:46:18.143
So there was that.
761
00:46:18.283 --> 00:46:21.044
I was also meditating a lot.
762
00:46:21.124 --> 00:46:31.866
And I would say that, you know, Tuma, like to a point, you start to get, like, there's a side effects to meditation when you meditate a lot.
763
00:46:31.966 --> 00:46:36.227
And I would say I got some disconnect of life, if you will.
764
00:46:36.487 --> 00:46:37.327
So I would say that.
765
00:46:39.087 --> 00:46:43.789
I would say that, yeah, so as far as time, I'm not 100% sure.
766
00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:50.411
I would say that I started to figure things out and then it was up and then down and it wasn't perfect.
767
00:46:50.471 --> 00:46:52.792
I was figuring it out, didn't know what I was doing.
768
00:46:53.892 --> 00:46:58.514
The way it felt like was kind of looking for a light switch in the dark when you don't really know where it is.
769
00:46:59.034 --> 00:47:01.895
So I was fumbling around a lot, started to get better.
770
00:47:02.275 --> 00:47:05.736
Then I would have setbacks and then just trying to understand it.
771
00:47:06.456 --> 00:47:11.365
But I would say once I finally really got it, I literally went from like...
772
00:47:12.867 --> 00:47:13.768
having a cane.
773
00:47:15.308 --> 00:47:25.814
And like I, there was, I mean, I started, as I started really feeling like I could get my pain more down and down, it wasn't perfect yet, but considerably down.
774
00:47:25.914 --> 00:47:27.555
I started also then going to the gym.
775
00:47:28.336 --> 00:47:41.523
And so I started going to the gym and I would say from the point where I was like using a wheelchair or walker or cane to get into the gym to actually like starting to like lift weights was probably about, let's say,
776
00:47:42.958 --> 00:47:44.139
four or five months.
777
00:47:44.600 --> 00:47:55.389
These bodybuilders came up to me and at first, like I would go into the gym, I'm laughing because I would go into the gym and I would just hold the weight and then I would leave.
778
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:01.504
And it took me longer to walk in than my entire thing.
779
00:48:02.004 --> 00:48:07.569
But then, like, one of the earlier experiences as I was going to the gym is I started trying to ride the bike.
780
00:48:08.489 --> 00:48:11.031
And I was pedaling on the bike.
781
00:48:11.572 --> 00:48:12.332
I was trying to.
782
00:48:13.193 --> 00:48:15.854
And then the lights didn't come on, so it was broken.
783
00:48:15.894 --> 00:48:18.715
So I went to the next one over, and the same thing happened.
784
00:48:18.735 --> 00:48:25.818
It was broken, and I got onto the third one, and I realized I just couldn't get the pedals to go fast enough to turn the lights on.
785
00:48:25.858 --> 00:48:25.978
Wow.
786
00:48:26.178 --> 00:48:26.818
Wow.
787
00:48:29.387 --> 00:48:37.074
So four to five months from not turning on the bike to now, like, you're getting into the gym without.
788
00:48:37.255 --> 00:48:39.637
Yeah, the bodybuilders.
789
00:48:39.757 --> 00:48:43.300
And somewhere in this, you kind of start with IT again, right?
790
00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.202
And then also, I have to assume, like,
791
00:48:45.562 --> 00:48:48.626
People are like seeing profound differences in you.
792
00:48:48.646 --> 00:48:54.852
That's when people, you know, getting back to showing people and this dance of I'm not crazy.
793
00:48:55.473 --> 00:48:57.114
Here's the solution that worked for me.
794
00:48:57.815 --> 00:49:00.418
All of that starts happening about that time, I would imagine.
795
00:49:00.810 --> 00:49:06.555
I would say, so as I was getting better, then suddenly I had this thought like, oh my gosh, what am I going to do for work?
796
00:49:06.575 --> 00:49:08.277
Now, of course, a part of me didn't even care.
797
00:49:08.377 --> 00:49:12.120
I was just like, I literally told myself, I'll work at Starbucks at a coffee shop.
798
00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:12.841
I don't care.
799
00:49:12.981 --> 00:49:13.982
I just want to get better.
800
00:49:14.022 --> 00:49:15.443
If I have me, I have everything.
801
00:49:15.944 --> 00:49:16.704
I can figure it out.
802
00:49:17.445 --> 00:49:23.430
But I started having fear come up, which started slowing down my results and stopping me.
803
00:49:24.011 --> 00:49:26.313
So then the next day, basically, I was on...
804
00:49:28.495 --> 00:49:32.437
So there was this program called Ticket to Work where that helps you get retrained and whatnot.
805
00:49:32.497 --> 00:49:37.000
So I started getting recertified through some programs on disability.
806
00:49:37.660 --> 00:49:43.764
And so I just, I literally like called them the next day and got signed up and, and then started doing like a home study to start getting
807
00:49:44.444 --> 00:49:45.585
the certification programs.
808
00:49:45.805 --> 00:49:47.305
And so then I started doing that.
809
00:49:48.346 --> 00:49:49.946
And then everything was flowing again.
810
00:49:49.966 --> 00:49:54.988
And then, yeah, I was getting better than I finished my certification.
811
00:49:55.508 --> 00:50:03.692
And I wasn't quite ready to go from not working at all and being in bed most of the days to working 40 to 60 hours a week.
812
00:50:03.732 --> 00:50:05.152
So I thought, okay, I need to.
813
00:50:05.452 --> 00:50:06.613
So I started doing
814
00:50:07.767 --> 00:50:09.728
I started volunteering at like a homeless shelter.
815
00:50:09.748 --> 00:50:17.250
It was like this half, I don't know, like I would go play with like, I would play games with children while their parents were out looking for jobs.
816
00:50:18.151 --> 00:50:22.572
And so I'd play like Connect Four and Monopoly and Candyland and all the things.
817
00:50:23.833 --> 00:50:26.874
And it was good for me because I could get out and all of that.
818
00:50:27.954 --> 00:50:30.055
But anyway, so yeah, then I...
819
00:50:31.283 --> 00:50:34.505
I got certified to do personal training because I was like, you know what?
820
00:50:34.706 --> 00:50:35.826
I need to be in the gym.
821
00:50:36.027 --> 00:50:40.470
Why don't I just do this for now to at least then have to work out all the time anyway?
822
00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:43.892
And then I got certified to do that, and I was going to do that.
823
00:50:43.952 --> 00:50:54.580
But then I ended up, like, talking to this doctor who I ended up working with to then do blood work and different things like that.
824
00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:56.702
And so it kind of just all unfolded.
825
00:50:58.109 --> 00:51:05.334
And then as you start helping people, you kind of lean on the things that are more traditional because you're convinced that they'll accept those, right?
826
00:51:05.774 --> 00:51:07.215
Which is like, hey, let's eat properly.
827
00:51:07.235 --> 00:51:10.617
You mentioned nutrition might have been the first place you stopped.
828
00:51:10.917 --> 00:51:18.743
I want to get to your – this has been a fascinating conversation, and I want to be mindful of time and get in some of the key pieces here.
829
00:51:19.223 --> 00:51:22.145
You have a framework called GIFT.
830
00:51:22.345 --> 00:51:23.946
Walk us through what is GIFT.
831
00:51:25.806 --> 00:51:30.570
Gift is basically, step G is get new healthy mind programming.
832
00:51:31.911 --> 00:51:39.757
So it is basically, it's been medically shown that even somebody who's optimistic, their body can actually heal faster.
833
00:51:40.958 --> 00:51:45.562
And so step G is really about bringing in and really programming in positivity.
834
00:51:46.343 --> 00:51:49.405
A simple way to think about the importance of it is like this.
835
00:51:50.026 --> 00:51:52.408
A lot of times people say, let's just think positive.
836
00:51:52.428 --> 00:51:52.928
Okay.
837
00:51:53.028 --> 00:51:55.671
Okay, now the problem with that is it doesn't get programmed in.
838
00:51:55.711 --> 00:51:56.792
So it's always an effort.
839
00:51:56.812 --> 00:51:58.795
And not only that, it's thinking and not feeling.
840
00:51:59.175 --> 00:52:02.019
And so step G is getting new mind programming.
841
00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:09.527
And it's really about getting really positive emotions programmed into the subconscious mind and establishing new neural pathways.
842
00:52:10.423 --> 00:52:12.144
So the brain starts doing it automatically.
843
00:52:12.244 --> 00:52:15.085
So it's not like effortful, positive thinking.
844
00:52:15.185 --> 00:52:16.906
It's automatic, positive thinking.
845
00:52:16.926 --> 00:52:19.307
So that's step G is get new mind programming.
846
00:52:19.607 --> 00:52:22.249
Are there some NLP techniques that you're using there?
847
00:52:22.269 --> 00:52:26.491
Neurolinguistic programming techniques that kind of go into GIFT or maybe.
848
00:52:26.671 --> 00:52:29.192
And if there are, it's not intentional.
849
00:52:30.453 --> 00:52:36.736
No, actually, what I started doing for step G. So it's kind of like the way to think about it is like this, is that.
850
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:38.500
A couple things.
851
00:52:38.921 --> 00:52:45.246
So a lot of times people do positive thinking and they try to just think of anything that's positive.
852
00:52:46.066 --> 00:52:55.073
And a way to think about it is like this, is that if you imagine a field of grass and you walk through the field of grass a different way every day, it does not create a path.
853
00:52:55.983 --> 00:53:02.086
But if you go through it the same way over and over and over and over again, now it creates a path, right?
854
00:53:02.246 --> 00:53:11.931
So instead of just saying, I'm going to think positive, I started focusing on creating specific positive emotions and amplifying them to start getting in new neural pathways.
855
00:53:11.951 --> 00:53:14.012
So my brain would start automatically going there.
856
00:53:14.652 --> 00:53:22.656
I also got rid of doing gratitude because I had been doing all of the gratitude from the secret and all of the things, which is all great and wonderful.
857
00:53:22.716 --> 00:53:24.878
But I had survivor's guilt from 9-11.
858
00:53:26.212 --> 00:53:36.041
So if you take people who are feeling very guilty and bad about something and then you go, I'm so grateful for life, I'm so grateful for life, you start to realize that's a bad plan.
859
00:53:36.701 --> 00:53:39.064
It actually increases guilt.
860
00:53:39.344 --> 00:53:40.345
And so, yes.
861
00:53:41.005 --> 00:53:41.586
So I don't.
862
00:53:41.706 --> 00:53:42.567
So you have the two G's.
863
00:53:42.587 --> 00:53:47.271
You have the gratitude then leading into the guilt and they cancel each other out.
864
00:53:47.931 --> 00:53:48.452
Yeah.
865
00:53:48.512 --> 00:53:50.374
If you're lucky, they cancel each other out.
866
00:53:50.414 --> 00:53:50.614
Yeah.
867
00:53:50.994 --> 00:53:51.655
Yeah, it did.
868
00:53:51.675 --> 00:53:52.075
Yeah.
869
00:53:52.175 --> 00:53:58.261
So, so, so anyway, so I started picking specific emotions and amplifying them to get them in.
870
00:53:58.341 --> 00:54:00.263
The other thing that was important was this.
871
00:54:01.238 --> 00:54:08.025
is that anytime we're going to program something in the mind, we have to access it repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly.
872
00:54:08.065 --> 00:54:10.107
An easy way to think about it is like the alphabet.
873
00:54:10.507 --> 00:54:12.789
If you want to remember the alphabet, you've got to get it in repeatedly.
874
00:54:12.809 --> 00:54:16.973
If you want to speak French, you've got to get it in repeatedly, then you know it.
875
00:54:16.993 --> 00:54:18.175
So anything we need to do.
876
00:54:18.595 --> 00:54:25.001
Now, for me during my injury, for me to repeatedly access really, really positive emotions
877
00:54:25.942 --> 00:54:27.404
would not have been realistic.
878
00:54:27.924 --> 00:54:29.406
And so, so often that's what people do.
879
00:54:29.426 --> 00:54:33.971
They do like affirmations or positive thinking, but it's not really accessing the emotion.
880
00:54:34.011 --> 00:54:44.442
So one simple thing I did is I started using music, not like a happy playlist, but like one song and two songs to just amplify the emotion.
881
00:54:44.482 --> 00:54:44.602
So
882
00:54:44.982 --> 00:54:47.503
I call it a neurotransformational music technique.
883
00:54:47.543 --> 00:54:59.630
But basically, it's basically taking a song and specifically amplifying the feeling over and over and over and over again to start creating new neural pathways.
884
00:54:59.650 --> 00:55:00.751
So that was one of the techniques.
885
00:55:00.771 --> 00:55:06.374
So I would say that it was very practical things of what I started to do.
886
00:55:06.434 --> 00:55:12.317
Because for me, being able to just access extreme happiness, like, oh, yay!
887
00:55:14.959 --> 00:55:18.061
wasn't really realistic for where I was in my life at that time.
888
00:55:18.201 --> 00:55:22.164
So instead I would, you know, it's like if you, so I would, I would do that.
889
00:55:22.204 --> 00:55:24.165
So, so it wasn't NLP stuff.
890
00:55:24.205 --> 00:55:28.328
It was actually very practical, accessible things that I started doing to get it in.
891
00:55:29.049 --> 00:55:31.191
And so, so that was one example.
892
00:55:31.992 --> 00:55:34.073
And then I did other writing stuff and whatnot.
893
00:55:34.113 --> 00:55:36.514
But basically, I started creating.
894
00:55:37.175 --> 00:55:39.836
That was step G. Get new positive mind programming.
895
00:55:40.136 --> 00:55:45.959
Step I is identify the specific problems or the quote unquote emotional ingredients.
896
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.902
And so basically, I started saying what specific emotions are.
897
00:55:51.506 --> 00:55:53.067
are affecting me, you know?
898
00:55:53.407 --> 00:55:55.928
And so I started really working on identifying that.
899
00:55:56.968 --> 00:55:59.429
Step F is free yourself.
900
00:55:59.689 --> 00:56:07.792
And it's really about rewiring at a deeper level because emotional patterns are different than a lot of people think.
901
00:56:08.412 --> 00:56:15.354
And so it's not just changing a trauma, it's actually rewiring those emotional patterns.
902
00:56:15.374 --> 00:56:18.135
And then step T is step into the transformation.
903
00:56:18.255 --> 00:56:18.576
So it's,
904
00:56:20.439 --> 00:56:22.040
It's transforming all of the way.
905
00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:29.785
It's really stepping into the transformation, the self-image and the actions, bringing it into your actions.
906
00:56:29.825 --> 00:56:30.966
So it's a real change.
907
00:56:31.566 --> 00:56:41.492
And when your TEDx talk, did you have – was GIFT already kind of the framework already mapped out or were you still kind of working on that?
908
00:56:41.692 --> 00:56:43.173
And I guess that TEDx talk was in 2017.
909
00:56:43.293 --> 00:56:43.473
Yeah.
910
00:56:44.943 --> 00:56:49.546
Yeah, and I think it was 2016 maybe, but somewhere in there.
911
00:56:49.566 --> 00:56:54.990
But I did call it GIFT, but I didn't have each letter as an acronym.
912
00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:59.773
It was just finding the GIFT because ultimately this is what I would say is this, is that –
913
00:57:01.345 --> 00:57:11.311
The way I look at healing now is that anytime we have any type of illness, our bodies are actually giving us a check engine light, if you will.
914
00:57:11.451 --> 00:57:15.073
And so when we change, that's when it becomes a life-changing gift.
915
00:57:15.113 --> 00:57:21.537
And what I mean is it's like if you're driving a car and the check engine light comes on, you know there's something wrong with the car.
916
00:57:22.037 --> 00:57:30.122
And if we as human beings are experiencing pain or illness or a problem, there's a check engine light and there's something going on on the inside that
917
00:57:30.442 --> 00:57:31.524
that we really need to change.
918
00:57:31.544 --> 00:57:34.609
And when we identify that, it becomes a gift.
919
00:57:34.690 --> 00:57:37.875
And so, for example, a simple example, I've seen people who have had
920
00:57:38.417 --> 00:57:46.740
horrible health issues from even deep feelings of self-criticism and a combination of ingredients, but self-criticism.
921
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:54.003
And so what happened for them to heal is they really had to identify that pattern and then change it.
922
00:57:54.423 --> 00:58:03.827
Now imagine somebody who spends the rest of their life, 50, 60, 70 years of their life, criticizing themselves or really loving who they are.
923
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:06.241
it's pivotal.
924
00:58:06.961 --> 00:58:08.202
It's, it's a whole different life.
925
00:58:08.282 --> 00:58:11.604
And I've seen this person who, like, for example, changes that.
926
00:58:11.804 --> 00:58:19.328
And when they change themselves, they feel more love, they feel more connection, they feel more successful, they feel more confident, they, every part of their life changes.
927
00:58:19.428 --> 00:58:24.671
And so that's what I would say is, I would say that it's, it's a gift when we really change.
928
00:58:24.992 --> 00:58:28.774
The problem isn't the gift, the solution, the change is the gift.
929
00:58:29.587 --> 00:58:44.975
I just want to touch on this briefly because there's – you've showed – I've seen some images of people doing thermography in order to see hot spots, which are signs of pain, really signs of inflammation, but kind of equate to pain as registered.
930
00:58:45.495 --> 00:58:58.401
And you've helped in moments, one describe how quickly and describe the process taking people from, say, 11, 8, a level 8 of pain to a level 0 in some cases.
931
00:58:59.061 --> 00:59:02.103
What's going on there and how quickly is this happening?
932
00:59:03.812 --> 00:59:06.073
So basically exactly that.
933
00:59:06.113 --> 00:59:10.694
Like when I work with somebody, let's say they're experiencing a level 8 of pain.
934
00:59:10.954 --> 00:59:19.916
Ultimately, I help them identify what are the specific emotions that are contributing to that and then help them to shift it.
935
00:59:20.096 --> 00:59:21.896
So help them to shift their mindset.
936
00:59:22.516 --> 00:59:24.157
And you literally see on the image.
937
00:59:24.857 --> 00:59:25.657
the pain goes away.
938
00:59:25.677 --> 00:59:30.999
And to kind of break that down a little bit better, let's say somebody's experiencing neck pain and upper back pain.
939
00:59:31.179 --> 00:59:37.561
And so the image on the thermal imaging will be all red and white over that neck and back area.
940
00:59:37.641 --> 00:59:40.782
And a simple way to think about it also is like...
941
00:59:41.982 --> 00:59:51.570
for anybody who might not know what this looks like is, is to think of if you've ever had a sprained ankle or an infection and there's heat coming from it or a scratch and there's heat coming from it or whatnot.
942
00:59:52.250 --> 01:00:04.520
Basically advanced medical thermography is able to detect at a very, very advanced level, the heat waves inside and heat signatures inside the body and, and, and show them.
943
01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:07.602
And so when somebody is experiencing neck pain and inflammation, inflammation,
944
01:00:07.902 --> 01:00:09.144
You can see it on the image.
945
01:00:09.164 --> 01:00:12.508
And so then I'll show somebody how to, you know, shift their mindset.
946
01:00:13.349 --> 01:00:15.752
And as they do, the pain relieves in minutes.
947
01:00:15.812 --> 01:00:19.556
And if you think about it, a lot of times people are like, how is that even possible?
948
01:00:19.857 --> 01:00:24.102
But if you stop and think about it, we're kind of always doing this.
949
01:00:24.422 --> 01:00:26.445
I mean, how many people have good days and bad days?
950
01:00:28.485 --> 01:00:31.888
everybody pretty much has good days and bad days.
951
01:00:32.009 --> 01:00:42.599
And so ultimately, I would say our minds are always going through, or even if you take somebody with like rheumatoid arthritis, oh, they could be fine and then have flare-ups.
952
01:00:42.999 --> 01:00:47.884
These emotions and things at a subconscious level are always impacting us.
953
01:00:48.504 --> 01:00:50.006
We just haven't really realized it.
954
01:00:51.787 --> 01:00:52.067
Yeah.
955
01:00:52.087 --> 01:01:03.312
So if you think about a good day and a bad day, basically what I'm doing is I'm taking that to a much further step and just identifying what is it that's impacting them, helping them to shift that.
956
01:01:03.412 --> 01:01:06.613
And suddenly they're going, oh, my gosh, wait, the pain is gone.
957
01:01:06.733 --> 01:01:07.654
How did you do that?
958
01:01:08.034 --> 01:01:08.834
And of course, they did it.
959
01:01:08.914 --> 01:01:10.455
I'm just showing them how to use their mind.
960
01:01:11.373 --> 01:01:14.094
Yeah, you're giving them the gift of a good day.
961
01:01:15.194 --> 01:01:15.715
That's pretty awesome.
962
01:01:15.735 --> 01:01:19.956
Yes, and when they stay in that change, that's when I see the body heal, though.
963
01:01:20.096 --> 01:01:25.438
So it's not – so a way to think about it is like multiple personality disorder.
964
01:01:25.958 --> 01:01:37.062
Not saying they have it, but what it's saying is that if somebody goes into a different personality, they're going from pain and illness to a different personality with none, and they never go back into the old mindset.
965
01:01:38.261 --> 01:01:40.142
That's basically when I see the body heal.
966
01:01:40.182 --> 01:01:44.644
So the way to think about it is creating that new mindset and releasing the old.
967
01:01:45.624 --> 01:01:58.189
So physiologically, in your case, do you think you've, you know, taken this positive mindset, right, which could come out of the secret, thrown in emotional pain?
968
01:01:59.275 --> 01:02:03.278
management, well, I'm just going to call it management, there's probably you might have a better term.
969
01:02:03.959 --> 01:02:10.684
And now you just kind of have a situation of mind over matter with the extreme pain that you were feeling.
970
01:02:11.404 --> 01:02:16.048
Or do you think some physiological healing happened as you're doing all this stuff?
971
01:02:16.908 --> 01:02:17.889
Where do you sit with that?
972
01:02:18.233 --> 01:02:23.297
So first and foremost, I would definitely say it is not Mind Over Matter, and I'm not a big fan of Mind Over Matter.
973
01:02:23.517 --> 01:02:29.602
And not only that, I see people heal from, like there was somebody on my podcast that just healed themselves from stage four cancer.
974
01:02:30.402 --> 01:02:38.128
And they continue to go through all the treatments, and their doctors were amazed at how fast they healed and the changes that they made and all of that.
975
01:02:39.729 --> 01:02:44.333
Not only that, but the reason that you also know it's not Mind Over Matter is because the thermal images changes.
976
01:02:45.053 --> 01:02:48.776
So if it was just mind over matter, the thermal image would not change.
977
01:02:48.836 --> 01:02:53.119
Somebody would have the same thermal image and they would just say eight, zero.
978
01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:55.161
And then the thermal image would stay the same.
979
01:02:55.181 --> 01:02:57.423
So it's definitely not mind over matter.
980
01:02:58.683 --> 01:03:00.765
I see people create all kinds of changes.
981
01:03:01.546 --> 01:03:08.451
And so what I would say is this, is a way to think about it is even if you think about the Surgeon General,
982
01:03:09.176 --> 01:03:22.063
recently released a statement, a report a couple years back after COVID, that loneliness can lead to increased type 2 diabetes, stroke, heart attack, all of that.
983
01:03:22.123 --> 01:03:25.745
I mean, and heart disease is a leading cause of death.
984
01:03:26.366 --> 01:03:30.528
So when we actually just start to look at the mind-body connection,
985
01:03:31.423 --> 01:03:32.445
It's all around us.
986
01:03:32.505 --> 01:03:38.813
It's like somebody who, let's say somebody was going to die of a broken heart, but then actually healed themselves instead.
987
01:03:38.893 --> 01:03:40.976
So I would say it's not just mind over matter.
988
01:03:41.637 --> 01:03:43.760
It's the power of emotions.
989
01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:45.342
I would say our emotions...
990
01:03:46.930 --> 01:03:49.071
are so much more impactful than we realize.
991
01:03:49.091 --> 01:03:57.834
Now, of course, we know somebody can be scared and, I mean, be so scared, they die of, they're scared to death, you know?
992
01:03:57.874 --> 01:04:01.295
So if we look at the impact of emotions, it's profound.
993
01:04:01.335 --> 01:04:08.498
But I would say as a culture, it's like we've been trained to ignore them, which is so...
994
01:04:09.731 --> 01:04:12.452
crazy because we've been trained to ignore them.
995
01:04:12.692 --> 01:04:13.332
Think about this.
996
01:04:14.012 --> 01:04:19.674
An infant that doesn't get enough love can actually die, even when they're getting proper nutrition.
997
01:04:20.674 --> 01:04:22.854
It's not like they're just like, oh, peace out.
998
01:04:22.874 --> 01:04:23.975
This is mind over matter.
999
01:04:24.015 --> 01:04:24.735
I'm out of here.
1000
01:04:25.655 --> 01:04:26.595
They can actually die.
1001
01:04:27.036 --> 01:04:31.817
Or children can have failure to thrive when they don't get enough love and connection.
1002
01:04:32.947 --> 01:04:41.213
So the fact that a human being can even die as a baby or underdevelop or a senior can lose a spouse and die.
1003
01:04:42.374 --> 01:04:47.438
And then we have a stressful world and we just go, oh, you know, it's just stress.
1004
01:04:48.218 --> 01:04:51.241
That's just it's like, wait a second here.
1005
01:04:51.621 --> 01:04:51.941
What?
1006
01:04:52.602 --> 01:04:55.364
When you stop and think about it, wait a second.
1007
01:04:55.384 --> 01:04:56.745
This doesn't even make any sense.
1008
01:04:57.778 --> 01:04:59.719
So it's not mind over matter.
1009
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:06.002
It feels more like, and correct me if I'm wrong, mind and emotion managing matter.
1010
01:05:07.223 --> 01:05:10.084
I wouldn't even say managing, but influencing.
1011
01:05:10.165 --> 01:05:10.885
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1012
01:05:10.965 --> 01:05:12.046
So we could say that.
1013
01:05:12.106 --> 01:05:12.366
I mean –
1014
01:05:13.825 --> 01:05:17.148
But think about somebody with multiple personality disorder, right?
1015
01:05:17.708 --> 01:05:25.674
So if you think about that, to have actual different illnesses and different personalities, yeah, it's the power of emotions.
1016
01:05:26.395 --> 01:05:31.759
And if you ask anybody who's ever had panic attacks and suffered from panic attacks, oh, it's just your emotions, let it go.
1017
01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:37.162
You start to realize, wait a second, emotions can be pretty...
1018
01:05:37.963 --> 01:05:38.364
Profound.
1019
01:05:38.384 --> 01:05:44.173
And I would say that there's so much more going on under the surface than people realize when it comes to emotions.
1020
01:05:45.515 --> 01:05:47.778
So you have been through some amazing things.
1021
01:05:48.359 --> 01:05:49.541
And...
1022
01:05:50.765 --> 01:05:55.686
created some amazing processes, your gift process or framework.
1023
01:05:56.346 --> 01:05:59.427
And we'll make sure people know how to get a hold of that.
1024
01:05:59.447 --> 01:06:01.247
There was one thing that came out in...
1025
01:06:01.787 --> 01:06:03.327
I saw your interview with Luke's story.
1026
01:06:03.347 --> 01:06:03.967
I was lucky enough.
1027
01:06:03.987 --> 01:06:04.507
I was on his...
1028
01:06:04.967 --> 01:06:07.968
He's in Austin, so he's like a three-hour ride away.
1029
01:06:08.008 --> 01:06:08.928
So I got to ride up there.
1030
01:06:08.948 --> 01:06:14.809
And I don't know if you were maybe new to his new stage or whatever, but it's kind of cool how that's laid out, right?
1031
01:06:15.369 --> 01:06:15.569
Yeah.
1032
01:06:16.429 --> 01:06:19.250
And one of the things that came up is that you shared...
1033
01:06:20.829 --> 01:06:31.654
So with all the kind of challenges that you've had, at the end of this, just like to top it all off, you had a sexual assault case and more specifically were raped by your physician.
1034
01:06:32.335 --> 01:06:39.758
When you brought this up and you tend not to mention this, and I think I understand why, but I want to bring in a different, I think a perspective that could be helpful.
1035
01:06:40.098 --> 01:06:42.520
You were literally telling Luke, hey, stop giving it energy.
1036
01:06:42.660 --> 01:06:45.281
Like, because you don't give it, Brandy doesn't give it energy.
1037
01:06:45.321 --> 01:06:46.942
Luke, I need you to not give it energy.
1038
01:06:46.962 --> 01:06:47.062
Yeah.
1039
01:06:48.183 --> 01:06:56.239
For someone out there who might have experienced rape, maybe specifically from a person in authority, what advice might you give them to have this?
1040
01:06:56.279 --> 01:06:59.686
You clearly have a place of peace with that event.
1041
01:07:01.670 --> 01:07:06.114
You know, this is the reason that I don't speak on it, is the very thing is this.
1042
01:07:06.915 --> 01:07:09.177
Is I would say, I've let it go.
1043
01:07:09.557 --> 01:07:10.438
You know what?
1044
01:07:10.598 --> 01:07:17.024
But the piece of advice that I would give is this, is I would say, be real with what's real.
1045
01:07:17.424 --> 01:07:21.428
And what I mean by that is that in my case...
1046
01:07:22.626 --> 01:07:25.327
The doctor took pictures of it, right?
1047
01:07:25.508 --> 01:07:27.349
So there were pictures on his cell phone.
1048
01:07:28.029 --> 01:07:40.476
Now, which wasn't great to see, but the thing of it is I think a lot of people who go through a rape feel that everybody's invalidating them or blaming them or did it really happen and questioning them.
1049
01:07:40.556 --> 01:07:42.037
So I would say...
1050
01:07:43.057 --> 01:07:48.340
when I say be real with what's real is what emotions is a person really feeling?
1051
01:07:48.380 --> 01:08:05.789
Because like in my case, I said, I said, okay, one of the things that I told myself is this, is I said, look, well, if going through my injury, the very worst thing that I ever thought happened to me in my life ended up being a gift by changing and growing, I better just change and grow.
1052
01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:09.551
So it's like kind of like,
1053
01:08:10.493 --> 01:08:15.377
The way I deal with adversity, if there's anything that's remotely even feels off, I'm like, it's time to grow.
1054
01:08:16.598 --> 01:08:27.988
That's because if you just grow and good comes out of that, then you never end up feeling like, like with my injury, for example, would I want to do it again?
1055
01:08:28.008 --> 01:08:29.149
Never, ever.
1056
01:08:29.169 --> 01:08:29.949
It was horrible.
1057
01:08:30.009 --> 01:08:30.730
It was horrible.
1058
01:08:31.817 --> 01:08:35.566
I wouldn't take it back if I could because of the things that I learned.
1059
01:08:35.586 --> 01:08:40.757
Now, I wouldn't want to go through it again, and it would have been nice if it was a lot shorter and a lot less years.
1060
01:08:41.338 --> 01:08:41.659
But...
1061
01:08:42.879 --> 01:08:52.849
I feel like my life right now, I will have a much better life and more longevity and health and happiness and an entirely better life because of what I learned.
1062
01:08:53.449 --> 01:08:59.035
And so what I would say is one thing is whatever negativity happened, grow and amplify it.
1063
01:08:59.095 --> 01:09:07.223
So 10 times more positivity happens from the growth that you say, look, wouldn't want to go through it again, but I ended up.
1064
01:09:08.958 --> 01:09:10.318
just turning it into a gift.
1065
01:09:10.358 --> 01:09:11.438
And the gift isn't the problem.
1066
01:09:11.458 --> 01:09:12.379
The gift is change.
1067
01:09:12.419 --> 01:09:15.059
And so that's what I would say.
1068
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:20.120
In my case, I also just started, yeah, I let it go.
1069
01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:22.600
I started just invalidate, like, look, I'm okay.
1070
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.281
My body, look, my body's constantly repairing and replacing cells.
1071
01:09:26.561 --> 01:09:28.301
Okay, I'll get rid of those cells.
1072
01:09:28.401 --> 01:09:29.241
I have new cells.
1073
01:09:29.301 --> 01:09:30.782
I can let that go, da, da, da.
1074
01:09:30.802 --> 01:09:38.343
So I really, I would say when I say be real with what's real, I would say also one of my concerns is,
1075
01:09:39.438 --> 01:09:41.580
was that he would come after me.
1076
01:09:42.001 --> 01:09:43.382
That was one of my concerns.
1077
01:09:43.402 --> 01:09:57.255
Like if he got out of prison, is he going to – and even in like – yeah, I just – so I was having like fear that I was going to be like one of those girls that went missing and that he was going to come after me and kill me.
1078
01:09:57.636 --> 01:10:00.699
So that was – I think that was a big part of my –
1079
01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:07.062
anxiety and traumas and now I turned him in because the phone I stole his phone and I turned it in.
1080
01:10:07.822 --> 01:10:13.005
So then the detective had all the visible information and you could tell I was not conscious for any of it.
1081
01:10:13.485 --> 01:10:23.289
And so, so, yeah, so, so I would say in my case fear he was come after me was a big part of it and that's what I needed to heal some people.
1082
01:10:23.830 --> 01:10:24.771
feel invalidated.
1083
01:10:24.831 --> 01:10:31.878
Some people like in, so I would say that emotional patterns address what real emotional patterns come up.
1084
01:10:31.938 --> 01:10:38.625
I would say that I was grateful that I was very good at emotional patterns because then I took the emotions that I was experiencing and changed them.
1085
01:10:39.085 --> 01:10:47.413
And I would also say one of the things that ended up being a gift is that, you know, in the beginning I told you that, that, that,
1086
01:10:48.533 --> 01:11:01.278
I would help people with nutrition and then I would say to them something like, like I would say, oh, if you've had stress regarding your son or this or that, you know, you should go to therapy and you can work on it and heal it, right?
1087
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.700
Well at that time I had never gone to therapy.
1088
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.682
So it was basically that whole rape thing happened a couple years afterwards, after I healed.
1089
01:11:09.802 --> 01:11:12.583
And so, and so basically.
1090
01:11:14.076 --> 01:11:20.369
That was... And I've done so much... Memory... Because I've deleted so much stuff.
1091
01:11:20.429 --> 01:11:22.173
But basically...
1092
01:11:23.219 --> 01:11:25.981
That was when I realized, because I started going to therapy for it.
1093
01:11:26.001 --> 01:11:27.842
I was like, okay, I'm having panic attack.
1094
01:11:27.862 --> 01:11:28.963
I need to da-da-da-da-da.
1095
01:11:29.023 --> 01:11:31.605
And I was going to therapy for it.
1096
01:11:31.725 --> 01:11:35.168
And then I was like, oh, my gosh, therapy is not that great.
1097
01:11:35.208 --> 01:11:41.112
I've been sending people to therapy, and therapy is not what I – I was like, I could do better than this.
1098
01:11:41.232 --> 01:11:45.675
And that's when I really started to say, okay, look, let me show people how to work with the mind.
1099
01:11:45.715 --> 01:11:49.919
So I would say it was just another unfoldment of a layer of all of the things.
1100
01:11:49.959 --> 01:11:51.700
But if I were to simplify it, I would say –
1101
01:11:52.905 --> 01:11:54.546
Identify the specific emotions.
1102
01:11:55.026 --> 01:12:00.228
The best way to deal with emotions is to identify them and really, really transform them.
1103
01:12:00.488 --> 01:12:04.569
And everything is how you feel about it.
1104
01:12:04.889 --> 01:12:07.290
And to me, I dealt with the emotions.
1105
01:12:07.350 --> 01:12:09.011
How I feel about it is that it's...
1106
01:12:10.471 --> 01:12:20.756
And I just honestly don't want to offend anybody else by belittling my situation and somebody else feels that's that's why I don't speak about it much because I don't want somebody to say, oh, well, she's saying it's not that big of a deal.
1107
01:12:21.417 --> 01:12:23.658
And it's because I needed to do that for me.
1108
01:12:23.798 --> 01:12:30.401
You know, it's like if something is always a big deal, if you're if you turn 60 or 70 or 80 and something is still a big deal, you didn't heal it.
1109
01:12:30.761 --> 01:12:31.742
And so for me.
1110
01:12:32.562 --> 01:12:35.245
To be able to heal, it just had to become not that big of a deal.
1111
01:12:35.565 --> 01:12:41.372
And that's what I would tell anybody, is when you make your life more important than that, and you make it insignificant.
1112
01:12:41.953 --> 01:12:44.736
So that's where I say, I don't give it significance in my life.
1113
01:12:45.236 --> 01:12:46.037
It doesn't define me.
1114
01:12:46.858 --> 01:12:48.480
And moving on.
1115
01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:49.361
Okay.
1116
01:12:50.170 --> 01:12:52.593
Well, thank you for that gift.
1117
01:12:52.793 --> 01:12:56.898
That's what I was hoping because I think that can provide some guidance for some people.
1118
01:12:57.900 --> 01:12:59.702
We're about to get to our wrap-up questions.
1119
01:12:59.922 --> 01:13:07.692
Before we get to our wrap-up questions, is there anything maybe we didn't touch on or some sort of summary that you might want to share with the Live Beyond the Norms audience?
1120
01:13:08.370 --> 01:13:09.171
I would say this.
1121
01:13:09.191 --> 01:13:12.714
I would say we are so much more amazing than we realize.
1122
01:13:12.874 --> 01:13:17.958
I would also say that we as a culture overlook the importance of emotions.
1123
01:13:18.058 --> 01:13:24.283
And if somebody told me that my emotions could help me heal my body, I would have thought that it was ridiculous.
1124
01:13:24.363 --> 01:13:25.164
I had an accident.
1125
01:13:25.204 --> 01:13:26.004
I had an injury.
1126
01:13:26.125 --> 01:13:28.206
I probably would have been offended.
1127
01:13:28.266 --> 01:13:31.009
I would have been like, you want my emotions to heal my body?
1128
01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:32.490
What's wrong with you?
1129
01:13:32.510 --> 01:13:34.832
I'm certain I would have been offended.
1130
01:13:35.852 --> 01:13:43.317
It was only through the channel that I went through of placebo and then multiple personality disorder.
1131
01:13:43.377 --> 01:13:52.962
And then because of the way that I discovered and went through it, it then helped me to see things in a different way.
1132
01:13:53.022 --> 01:14:01.107
I would also say that when we start to look at emotions for a moment, there are other things that are connected to it, such as biochemistry, such as biophotons.
1133
01:14:01.571 --> 01:14:19.398
Now, a lot of times people think energy of the body is just woo-woo, but biophotons are an energy of the body, and the scientist who discovered the biophotons was actually nominated for a Nobel Prize, 11 Nobel Prizes, about 100 years ago now.
1134
01:14:20.158 --> 01:14:24.840
And, yeah, and a lot of times people think, oh, energy of the body, this is woo-woo.
1135
01:14:24.900 --> 01:14:28.281
No, it actually exists, and our emotions exist,
1136
01:14:28.901 --> 01:14:39.207
can actually in those studies, medical studies that actually show that our emotions can actually influence these bio photons and that they're bio photons that are connected to different illnesses and whatnot.
1137
01:14:39.227 --> 01:14:50.373
So if you go further down the rabbit hole, there's a whole lot of technical information behind this, where you start to see things, even from a very strong technical awareness and aspect.
1138
01:14:51.554 --> 01:14:51.954
Excellent.
1139
01:14:52.834 --> 01:14:54.775
All right, Brandy, here are our wrap up questions.
1140
01:14:54.955 --> 01:14:57.457
Brandy, do you have a target age that you want to live to?
1141
01:14:58.355 --> 01:15:02.438
You know, I actually don't identify with an age.
1142
01:15:02.998 --> 01:15:04.879
So I don't own an age.
1143
01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:05.700
I don't own a number.
1144
01:15:06.461 --> 01:15:12.985
So I would say for that reason, I don't have a target age because this is the way I look at it.
1145
01:15:13.425 --> 01:15:17.288
Imagine somebody who is 90 years old.
1146
01:15:18.229 --> 01:15:19.449
Do you have a picture of what that looks like?
1147
01:15:20.870 --> 01:15:22.512
Yes, but my picture is wrong.
1148
01:15:22.532 --> 01:15:22.652
Yeah.
1149
01:15:24.008 --> 01:15:24.368
See?
1150
01:15:24.689 --> 01:15:26.510
But it's still the picture.
1151
01:15:26.670 --> 01:15:29.392
We can argue like the picture is the picture, but I think the picture is wrong.
1152
01:15:30.193 --> 01:15:31.494
And it's in the subconscious mind.
1153
01:15:31.834 --> 01:15:36.898
So if I picture somebody who's 90 years old, I have a certain picture of what that looks like for the average person.
1154
01:15:37.238 --> 01:15:40.401
Do I then want to own an age of 90?
1155
01:15:40.621 --> 01:15:46.406
I don't because of my own association of what that looks like based on other people's values.
1156
01:15:47.086 --> 01:15:48.046
Where other people are.
1157
01:15:48.086 --> 01:15:57.109
So I feel like if I own an age and I identify with an age and I have an idea of what that looks like in our culture, then I'm programming myself to be like that.
1158
01:15:57.169 --> 01:15:58.369
So I just don't own an age.
1159
01:15:59.710 --> 01:16:01.370
How long do you think humans can live?
1160
01:16:01.450 --> 01:16:06.692
Maybe you've got that perspective or maybe for the exact same reason you're like, I don't want a number on that either.
1161
01:16:07.748 --> 01:16:11.869
You know, the body's constantly repairing and replacing cells, right?
1162
01:16:12.469 --> 01:16:13.029
Constantly.
1163
01:16:13.109 --> 01:16:20.450
Like even medical research would say we have about a whole new skeleton approximately, what, every 10 years or so and whatnot.
1164
01:16:21.971 --> 01:16:24.091
So I wonder.
1165
01:16:24.771 --> 01:16:25.311
I'll put that.
1166
01:16:25.431 --> 01:16:28.952
I have, I think, I think it's longer than we think.
1167
01:16:29.112 --> 01:16:30.712
I think if, it's kind of like this.
1168
01:16:31.532 --> 01:16:34.073
Have you ever seen somebody who's really, really, really stressed before?
1169
01:16:34.893 --> 01:16:37.714
Maybe they were in a marriage or divorce or something like that.
1170
01:16:38.294 --> 01:16:40.275
And then after they got out of it, they looked younger.
1171
01:16:40.295 --> 01:16:41.116
Yeah.
1172
01:16:41.436 --> 01:16:49.179
Yeah, I know after I healed, one of the first things my mother said after she was shocked and amazed, she said, I can't believe that you look so much younger.
1173
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.200
I was like, thank you.
1174
01:16:51.460 --> 01:16:57.862
So I'm just saying it's interesting that as we de-stress, cell proliferation in the body heals faster.
1175
01:16:57.922 --> 01:16:59.563
And so I wonder...
1176
01:17:00.195 --> 01:17:01.176
is the answer to that.
1177
01:17:01.456 --> 01:17:03.277
I think it's better than we think.
1178
01:17:03.297 --> 01:17:11.282
Brandy, what are two to three protocols, habits, mindsets, let's call them shortcuts, because everybody likes shortcuts, two longevity and a long health span that you would share?
1179
01:17:13.223 --> 01:17:15.525
I would say this, always having something to look forward to.
1180
01:17:16.185 --> 01:17:18.047
So that is key.
1181
01:17:19.508 --> 01:17:27.353
I would also say, and I think this is where a lot of people go wrong is this, is I would say that, you know, as we get older and older,
1182
01:17:28.113 --> 01:17:29.013
people tend to do this.
1183
01:17:29.473 --> 01:17:33.494
They go, oh my gosh, that next generation is so scary.
1184
01:17:33.774 --> 01:17:48.878
So they freak themselves out about the younger generation, whether it's, you know, we could say in the 80s, music was all devil-worshipping, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or whatever, heavy metal, whatever you want to call it, like, oh, the 70s, they were listening, you know, there's all of the different things.
1185
01:17:48.898 --> 01:17:51.099
They're listening to, like, Elvester.
1186
01:17:51.519 --> 01:17:54.220
But my point is, is every generation seems to go,
1187
01:17:56.061 --> 01:18:08.627
freak themselves out and scare themselves by what the younger generations are doing and create a sense of distrust and whatnot that can create a foundational fear and uncertainty of life that can impact health and people don't realize it.
1188
01:18:09.067 --> 01:18:10.068
So I would say don't do that.
1189
01:18:10.608 --> 01:18:24.395
I would say instead be willing to embrace the change of the times and find the safety in them and have that mental flexibility to embrace that without fear.
1190
01:18:25.550 --> 01:18:26.650
So I'd say that is a big one.
1191
01:18:27.350 --> 01:18:27.690
All right.
1192
01:18:28.511 --> 01:18:33.672
Brandy, what are one or two things people get absolutely wrong regarding longevity and a long health span?
1193
01:18:33.932 --> 01:18:42.273
I would say all the time people try to just set their mind to it and I would say they overlook things like this, the underlying fears.
1194
01:18:43.853 --> 01:18:46.454
And yeah, I would say that.
1195
01:18:46.614 --> 01:18:52.455
I would also say always continue to make friends with people that are younger than you.
1196
01:18:54.233 --> 01:19:06.068
And connect because what I've seen happen is that sometimes people feel like they've set like a really long, good longevity goal, and then they start to lose people around them who are closest to them.
1197
01:19:07.237 --> 01:19:08.457
and it messes them up.
1198
01:19:08.818 --> 01:19:17.801
So they're headstrong, they know they're gonna make it, and then they're losing Betty or Sally or Johnny or this or that, and they start losing people.
1199
01:19:18.641 --> 01:19:27.384
And their whole mindset of where they think they were going gets a bit derailed by other people's passing.
1200
01:19:27.444 --> 01:19:28.164
Passing, yeah.
1201
01:19:28.785 --> 01:19:31.345
All right, Brandy, how can people contact you?
1202
01:19:31.365 --> 01:19:32.726
Sorry to be very real, but that's sad.
1203
01:19:32.746 --> 01:19:33.866
No, that's real, I like it.
1204
01:19:34.206 --> 01:19:35.427
How can people contact you?
1205
01:19:36.381 --> 01:19:40.202
My website is brandygilmore.com.
1206
01:19:40.302 --> 01:19:41.942
It's B-R-A-N-D-Y.
1207
01:19:42.002 --> 01:19:44.063
Gilmore is with two L's.
1208
01:19:44.903 --> 01:19:47.324
G-I-L-L-M-O-R-E.com.
1209
01:19:47.404 --> 01:19:54.485
And what's really cool is those images we've been talking about where you can see mind-body healing under medical equipment with the thermography.
1210
01:19:54.505 --> 01:19:58.046
There's some of those images, and it's also been published in a medical journal.
1211
01:19:58.066 --> 01:20:03.687
And so there's links to that, which are really cool to see because I think everybody should know about the power of the mind.
1212
01:20:04.068 --> 01:20:05.468
It's incredible what we're capable of.
1213
01:20:05.628 --> 01:20:05.868
Yeah.
1214
01:20:06.432 --> 01:20:06.712
Excellent.
1215
01:20:06.752 --> 01:20:11.298
And then also on Instagram, you have like 100,000 followers on Instagram, 100,000 plus.
1216
01:20:11.558 --> 01:20:12.780
What's the handle there?
1217
01:20:13.861 --> 01:20:14.762
It is Brandi Gilmore.
1218
01:20:15.303 --> 01:20:15.543
Also.
1219
01:20:15.783 --> 01:20:16.044
Okay.
1220
01:20:16.304 --> 01:20:16.865
Yes, it is.
1221
01:20:17.826 --> 01:20:18.286
Come join me.
1222
01:20:18.406 --> 01:20:18.947
Say hi.
1223
01:20:19.187 --> 01:20:19.348
Yeah.
1224
01:20:20.229 --> 01:20:22.892
What in the near future are you excited about?
1225
01:20:23.859 --> 01:20:28.322
So many things, so many things, so many things.
1226
01:20:28.342 --> 01:20:34.966
But I would say the first thing that comes top of mind, I am working on it, it's not quite done yet, but I'm working on a practitioner course.
1227
01:20:35.707 --> 01:20:38.668
And so it's not done yet, but I'm very excited about that.
1228
01:20:38.728 --> 01:20:42.011
I'm also publishing more work in a medical journal to me.
1229
01:20:43.171 --> 01:20:54.819
proving the power of the mind and showing it under medical equipment and all of these things is definitely something I'm very passionate about because most people don't think that you can actually get results with the mind and I wouldn't have either.
1230
01:20:54.999 --> 01:20:58.001
And so I would have been the world's biggest skeptic.
1231
01:20:58.061 --> 01:21:03.524
In fact, when I started, I thought it was all ridiculous and everything's changed.
1232
01:21:03.564 --> 01:21:05.625
So that's what I'm passionate about.
1233
01:21:05.825 --> 01:21:06.106
Excellent.
1234
01:21:06.146 --> 01:21:06.406
All right.
1235
01:21:06.426 --> 01:21:09.988
You can find her at brandygilmore.com on Instagram.
1236
01:21:10.128 --> 01:21:11.229
It's brandygilmore.com.
1237
01:21:11.569 --> 01:21:13.531
Brandy, thank you so much for joining us today.
1238
01:21:14.092 --> 01:21:15.113
Chris, you're so lovely.
1239
01:21:15.173 --> 01:21:16.835
It has been so wonderful to connect with you.
1240
01:21:17.035 --> 01:21:17.356
Thank you.
1241
01:21:18.170 --> 01:21:21.612
I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Live Beyond the Norms podcast.
1242
01:21:22.173 --> 01:21:23.934
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1243
01:21:24.534 --> 01:21:31.919
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1244
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:44.068
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1245
01:21:44.708 --> 01:21:46.792
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1246
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