679: The Last Shutdown

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All right, boys, before we run, we've got some picks to get to.
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And I wanted to hit you with a strange one. This is a big one. It's LAN Orangutan.
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And it is a lightweight network scanner that goes through and labels your network.
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But it is easy and simple, but yet efficient.
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Take a look at it. What do you think? What was your first impression?
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Yeah, it's clean. So, like, we've talked a lot about tools vaguely in this camp.
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But, and sometimes I like this, but often you kind of get information overload.
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Right?
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You're like all kinds of details, hardware stuff that I probably don't need
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for whatever it is the task I'm actually trying to do.
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And maybe I don't need it for like ever, right? I just want to know for a little
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while so I can spin up real quick.
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Whereas this just looks like a very clean dashboard you could take a quick glance
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at and get a sense for what's going on.
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Here you go, Brentley. So when you get moved, when you get your network going,
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I want you to pop this thing up and take a screenshot for us,
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all right? It's a self-hosted network discovery tool for home labbers,
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and it has tailscale support as well.
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Oh, and there's a CLI. I like that.
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Auto-discovers your devices, password protected. What do you think?
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When you get your new LAN online?
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It looks like it's been around a while, too, yeah. I mean, I have not really
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done very good network monitoring, I have to say.
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And just last week, I was like, huh, I should probably know what's happening
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on the network here, wherever I am. You know, I'm kind of in charge of the network
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wherever I seem to end up, so...
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I should do better. And this is maybe a tool that can help me do that.
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So thank you for the picks.
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Do better.
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I like they have a philosophy in here, actually, which we kind of touched on
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without maybe even fully realizing.
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Lan Orangutan isn't trying to be the most powerful scanner out there.
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And that's the point. It's built to be the simplest and the fastest one to reach for.
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There's a bunch of already excellent, deeply capable tools in this space.
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And they're the right choice when you need everything they offer.
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Lan Orangutan is for the other times.
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Also, you know, you could, if you're a Clanker user, you could have the CLI
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kind of do these audits and it'll do the output as JSON and the Clanker can
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take that in. You could just spin up this thing, do a little network scan and
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then get a Clanker report.
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Even CSV if you have like an enterprise Clanker.
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I'm going through like the docs here trying to figure out where the naming comes
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from. I don't think I found anything. So, listener, if you have any ideas or
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theories or, I don't know, make up some reason why the orangutan is the land expert, let us know.
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Maybe it's a reference to another tool. I don't know. MIT license on that one.
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And then really quickly, this isn't going to surprise anyone.
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I just had to give it a shout because it saved my bacon a couple of times in just the last week.
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I'm kind of embarrassed. It's called local send. I don't know why.
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It's just there are so many of these stupid open source send a file from one
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computer to the other that it almost feels embarrassing to even have a pick.
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But I like LocalSend because it's a local app on every OS. So like on the desktop,
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it's a desktop application. On iOS, it's an iOS application.
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On Android, it's an Android application.
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I did a little spelunking. And it's interesting that it's finally landed because
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we talked about it ages and ages ago on the show. And you and Alex talked about
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it on a self-hosted episode.
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But it felt like maybe it was one of those picks where it's like,
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oh, this is cool and seems useful. But then if you never actually deploy it,
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you don't quite use it. So what changed that you're using it?
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So I was taking pictures of the chickens and whatnot, and I wanted to transfer
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them to the desktop. And there's just not, from the iPhone at least,
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not a lot of great options here. If I were on Android, I might use KDE Connect.
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But so I set this up. But then because it works across Android,
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it works across Linux and iOS, then it's like, well, let's all just use this.
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And it'll queue up downloads too. The desktop app's pretty nice.
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You can auto-accept files from certain favorite people and things like that,
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which is really nice. Like I just grabbed this and I just want to blast it over
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to the machine. I don't have to be at my desktop and approve it.
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And so it's like one of these things where I, you know, I've actually been using this.
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And I don't know if we've made an implicit pick, but we have talked about it
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before. And it also, it's all local, right? So there's no like routing through
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the internet or anything like that. So it's as fast as your LAN can blast the file.
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This is one of those apps that since the last time we talked about it,
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it's been installed on my phone. Yeah.
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I guess, and my laptop, which I, is it? And on my phone, every time I go like,
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you know, do some spring cleaning on my phone, I'm like, well,
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I only use this once, maybe twice a year.
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Yeah.
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And then I will always land with, well, you never know, I'm going to keep it.
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So this has been installed for a very long time for me.
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Used it a couple of times. It's saved my bacon, but it's nice.
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What I appreciate about it is like, if I'm doing, if I'm transferring some drone
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footage or I took some pictures of the kids or the chickens and I want to do
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a batch, It's really good at a whole bunch of files, too. And then on the desktop,
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I get, like, a visual status progress of all the files transferring and stuff.
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So I like LocalSend, and it's available on Flathub, and it is Apache 2.0.
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I figured out what's going on here. Well, it's 17.5% rust.
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Oh. Do you think that justifies?
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Well, the rest of it, it's Dart. I know you're a big Dart guy.
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Big Dart guy.
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Huge Dart and Flutter fan, so.
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Make a lot of choices in life on that, you know? That ATM uses Flutter,
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I'm picking that bank. That's how I roll.
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Before we get out of here, I have a sneaky pick for you guys.
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Yeah, I want to know about this. You snuck it in, we don't have any idea about it.
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Yeah, the council didn't get to approve it.
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Usually when that happens, it means it's a banger, so we'll see.
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Hasn't even been vetted by the bot. I've been toying with this one for the last couple of weeks.
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I, you know, we've been on the show really enjoying open code on the desktop
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to do a great variety of things. And I have deeply integrated that into my everyday workflow.
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I wanted something similar on the phone.
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On the phone, it's often like just the chat app kind of interaction that at least I've found.
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But I wanted something simple and yet powerful. And maybe that's asking too
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much. But I came across something called Oxproxion, which surprisingly...
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Say that again?
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Oxproxion.
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It's a fun name to say.
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Surprisingly, I only like read it once. And then it's a very memorable name
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for some reason for me. It might not be for other people. Sounds kind of dark, maybe.
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But it's just an Android LM chat interface, but it supports OpenRider, which we love.
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And you can also have it support a bunch of locally served models,
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like OLAMA, LMStudio stuff, LAMA CPP, and also, Chris, Hermes Agents.
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Hey, oh, really? I like that.
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So it's kind of like a nice mobile interface to your favorite providers,
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but it also has some pretty powerful features in there.
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And some of it is, and I haven't played with all of these, but some Android
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tools. So it can do stuff like read files, make files on your Android.
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But also take control of like timers and alarms and calendar events and stuff like that.
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On your local Android?
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Mm-hmm.
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Now that is promising.
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All right. So you can use it to automate like a calendar event on your phone?
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That's what I'm thinking. Now this has not been tested or vetted by me yet.
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I see this could be super useful.
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I do hesitate slightly because I don't know. But it seems very promising.
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So I've been using this for the last couple of weeks.
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I will say the interface is all symbols, and therefore you need to just trip
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over what the symbols mean and try to figure it out. But once you do, it's pretty powerful.
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What do you mean? I see tons of text. What are you talking about?
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Like all the model selection is text and everything.
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Yeah, that's like kind of one of the back interfaces once you hit one of the buttons.
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Ah, ah.
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Yeah, yeah. So that's my only gripe about it, I would say. Other than that,
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you can save conversations and bring them back up and continue them.
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And I assume you're able to install this with Obsidian, I assume?
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Um, you are able to install this with.
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Obsidian.
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No, not Obsidian. What's it called? I always remember this one.
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I do that all the time. I do that all the time.
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I see an APK on GitHub.
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Which is usually a good. They even kind of have semi-similar icons with my theme.
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It's the worst.
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Because I have like an all-black icon theme. It's, ah, yeah.
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So, Obtainium grabs basically APKs straight from GitHub. It's awesome.
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You can definitely do that here. It's also an FDroid. That's where I found it.
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It also will connect, obviously, to a local Olama instance. because it's LLM
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Studio. It's model agnostic, which is right.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Oxproxion?
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Oxproxion.
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Mostly written in Kotlin, and it is Apache 2.0 licensed. Well, there you go.
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This seems like giving a try. Good find, Brent.
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Look at him. He's fully immersed now. There's no getting him back.
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It's your fault.
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Now all we need is, like, audio support maybe in this thing?
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Yeah.
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Web RTC?
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Indeed.
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Hmm.
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Well, we're going to start out with a heck of a baller boost,
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boys, so get your seatbelt on because I'm glad we got them retrofitted.
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Lutris, um...
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Lucidropy.
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Yeah.
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Kind of like entropy.
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But with Lutris.
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Yeah. Right. Comes in with 314,659 sats.
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Oh!
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Wow, that is great. That is great. Cool. He says, Py for your efforts.
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Thanks for all you do. Been trying out Hermes with Open Router using Nemetron's super, super, super.
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Nemetron's gotten surprisingly good.
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And popular. Trying to find a cost-effective models that are also good at network
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management, say like an OpenWRT, and playing with NixConfig,
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the NixOS MCP, and troubleshooting on Arch and Ubuntu occasionally,
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and writing some basic Python bash scripts to automate tasks with occasional small coding projects.
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I've been using Cloud Code for most of this, but want to move away from that.
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Any suggestions? I prefer it open source.
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So, Wes, this is probably a best question for you because you've even gone as
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far as renting some GPU and running some models directly in the open source
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space. So you probably have the most hands-on experience.
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It kind of depends on, yeah, are you trying to run it yourself?
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Then you're going to be mostly constrained by what token rate do you need and
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how much RAM or VRAM you have.
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Sounds like he's open to open router, though.
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you can curl their API or have the bot do it.
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And then it's pretty easy to check out, like, what are good prices and what
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are currently free. and then you can easily sample all of those.
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Obviously, there's like the latest version 731 of DeepSeek that's been quite
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popular and works very nicely.
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QEN 3.7 has been pretty good. There's also a new QEN 3.8 Max,
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I think, floating around.
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And there's a bunch of like more interesting ones like Ling or Laguna or Longcat
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that kind of pop around that show you what smaller labs can do that I think can be fun to evaluate.
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But I probably get the most use in terms of open weight models that I pay for
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per token out of DeepSeek. And then I also like Memo a lot because it's pretty
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good and it's got vision.
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I would also add, maybe hang on to the Cloud subscription for a couple of weeks,
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try these out, and then audit what they produce with the Cloud code.
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There you go.
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And then when you find something that you like, yeah, you stick with it.
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And then you can wrap up the Cloud code subscription. I think that's probably a decent way to go.
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Can I suggest maybe a wild card here?
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Yeah, you got a wild card? Go for it, you wild man.
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So I've been doing a lot of these very tasks.
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OpenWRT configurations, check, Nix configs. Yep, check, check.
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Troubleshooting Arch and Ubuntu. Well, yes, very occasionally.
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Unfortunately, I still have a system I'm dealing with. But it's made that system way better.
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So I think I fit really well in this one. And I have found an insane amount
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of value and speed out of DeepSeq v4 Flash. And...
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It is so cheap. It's super fast.
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Yeah.
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And it's like with a little bit of structure around it, you know,
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with your own skills and stuff.
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Super, super powerful. So if you don't want to spend a ton, that is a huge recommendation for me.
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I don't think it would maybe beat any of the other ones. But if you're looking
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for something really simple.
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Get a good harness, get some good skills and go deep seek. See how it goes. I think it's a good tip.
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Well our buddy adversary 17 comes in with 56 000 and 17 sets.
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Oh thank you so.
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Reverse linux process is restoring a backup you should go in depth about backups.
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Backups sorry i fell i fell asleep but i that isn't a horrible idea that is i think.
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Adversaries You mentioned it earlier in the show.
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This is a very on-topic boost because you may have noticed things are a little
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different this episode.
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I think actually the reverse Linux here would be to do a recovery from your
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backups because most of us don't really do that part, and that's the most important part, isn't it?
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Right, and it's because it's kind of going backwards in time when you do that.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. Okay, well, we got a bunch
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more from adversaries, including adversaries has gone to plaid. Yeah.
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And it's a time travel booth, which makes sense given the sound effects.
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A little bit behind, but I just converted my desktop PC to Nix OS.
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Oh, all right.
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I used Nix to build a custom installer ISO so that I could verify everything
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was hunky-dory before doing the needful and having Disco wipe the Pop!
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OS install. Now that's the way to do it.
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In fact, just to celebrate, I mean,
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the Nix boost really fits because it's boosty, boosty, boosty, boost.
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Oh, hold on. That's a special request. You don't just boast those out everywhere.
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Actually, but for the occasion.
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There you go.
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Adversaries choose to run the Zen kernel. Performance, baby. So we got a Zen friend.
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Yes.
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And on top of that, thank you for covering all the kernel stuff.
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I know it's a lot of work, but I love hearing about it.
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That AMD regression in 7.2 would affect me since that's what my desktop runs,
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so I'll keep an ear open for the fix.
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I assume also you're very concerned about AppleTalk getting removed.
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Well, naturally.
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We have a sticker for that. Badge?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we call it a badge.
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Yeah, a sticker.
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And the final adversary message here, the backwards show idea sounds so fun.
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All you got to do is read everything backwards and then have Drew reverse the track.
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You know, this backwards show, we're never going to do that.
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That's too cliche. We would never do that.
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All right.
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What are we doing?
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Thank you, adversaries. Nice to hear from you.
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We have booze here from Greg the Lawyer, 53,403 Satoshis.
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All right.
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Uh, Greg's in the chat, 52 years old, and says, this is a zip code boost.
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Hey, it's been a minute.
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Whoa!
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Did you bring the, uh...
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You know I did.
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Oh, good. Here we go. Nice. Why do you... We get you the tablet.
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Why does it make paper sounds?
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Uh, Wes, you're holding the mirror on.
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I hacked those in there. I had to jailbreak it. Yeah.
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Wes, are you holding the mirror backwards?
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There's still gravy on here from the Canada trip.
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Where is he?
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Uh, well, this will explain it.
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Okay. All right.
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Zip code 53403. Let me double check one more time.
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Yep, 53403.
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I got to check the index. Uh-huh. That is located. Is this right? I got to be sure.
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Oh, my God, Wes.
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Racine, Wisconsin.
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Hey, hello, Wisconsin. Thanks, Greg.
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I mean, on the map here, I see a Mount Pleasant nearby, so it's got to be nice.
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Oh. Let us know if we got it right. Good to hear from you.
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And thanks for helping test out the old ZapRite stuff.
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Yes.
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Just letting us know when it was not working.
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Dajag comes in with 4,747 sats.
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You guys, you blew my mind with Noster. I played around with it back when you
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first started talking about it, but I don't think I'd ever really understood what it actually was.
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I just thought it was ActivityPub with keys. But I think I was missing the point.
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I don't know if I'm going to use Buzz long-term, but I am setting it up now.
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And if nothing else, this was an eye-opener to the catalyst of connecting all
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the dots. Thank you. Well, thank you, Dajag.
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Awesome. That's amazing.
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I think it also kind of did a little bit of that for us in a way, too.
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I agree. It was like, oh, yeah, it's kind of what we were thinking. Here we go. Yeah.
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Daja, I would love to hear if you stick with Buzz. Let us know how it goes.
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Marcel Bussin, 17,000 and 14 cents.
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You made the torrent analogy again, and I have to push back.
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I see a huge difference between individuals stealing from companies for entertainment
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and companies stealing from individuals at scale for profit.
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It also especially stings because Dario is promising to replace developers with
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a model trained on open source developer contributions.
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Nobody sets up the R stack to train a model to replace VFX artists.
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Now, I'm not arguing that torrenting is ethical, and I don't let the way the
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model was trained prevent me from using it. The cat is out of the bag.
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The people who trained it are benefiting. Why shouldn't I?
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Okay, so I think we're just sort of both talking past each other.
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What I've talked about before is, you're right, they are not comparable.
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The tech companies stealing is worse.
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However, the moral alignment remains the same. If you've stolen content yourself,
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you really don't have the moral authority to condemn another.
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But additionally, torrenting the TV shows and the movies does undercut the ability
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for the industry to produce future movies and TV shows.
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So there is a similar impact at the end of the day. So I still think it stands,
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that if you have a raw stack or you've torrented TV shows before,
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you don't really, really have a lot of moral authority to stand on and be concerned
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that Anthropic is scanning books or something like that.
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You cannot like it and you can think what they're doing is worse and I would agree with you.
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But at the same time, you know, it's a nuanced issue. So, Everett to each their own.
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I would also, I think, extend the frame to be like, that's one particular sort
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of test case, which can be a useful model to have.
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But the larger issue is sort of like around what do we think about information
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and the commons and copyright protections and that kind of thing.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Probably that's where to fight to have a consistent framework that we kind of
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agree on because the current rules we have, I don't think really anyone thinks are optimal.
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Yeah like i'd like to see a revolt that steals the rights of star trek away
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from paramount let's let's turn it to the people that's right that's right.
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Well gene bean boosts in three rows of ducks,
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Here's a quick note for others in the community with kids in Scouts.
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I just got back from Cub Scout Overnight Camp at Cherokee Scout Reservations
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in Yanceyville, North Carolina.
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It was really good and well worth the seven plus hour drive.
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I'd highly recommend others check it out. CSR.camp.
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That is a recommendation indeed.
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Yeah, listen to podcasts while you do that seven hour drive. It's good for the kids.
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About Linux Unplugged 677. In addition to the BBS you talked about in this episode,
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check out TC Squared BBS.
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It has some code here. It links to it.
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Yeah, we got a repo, GPL3, a BBS server for MeshTastic for posting bulletins,
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sending mail to users, and a channel directory.
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Could somebody give us a gift of setting this up so we could play with it?
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Careful what you wish for there.
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Chris. No, I mean, we work on a lot of the shows. We never really ask for that.
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But it would be really great if somebody wanted to set this up and then just
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kind of show it to us and treat us. That'd be fun.
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You can have a clanker.
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Do it.
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That's fine.
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Well, our dear Gene has a last question here for us.
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Do you all have any suggestions for making the information in many years of
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Slack conversations available to an agent?
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Oh, man. It's such adding agents to Slack is why buzz is a thing.
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Yeah, really, really.
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Because that's what you got to do. You got to add it to Slack.
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You got to do all the API crap, and then you can add it to every single freaking room.
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Maybe if you pay for Slack, they let you export in a format you can ingest.
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That's what I was going to say.
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I would know.
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That would be your other action.
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Escape it now, and then you'd search on the future things.
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Gene, if you could tell us, let us know.
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If you find out, we're hearing.
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Yeah, please do. Thank you, Gene. Magnolia Mayhem comes in with 2,000 sats.
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Forgot to boost. So he's coming in hot with a boost. Thank you very much,
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Mayhem. Nice to hear from you.
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Time for our member boost.
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Let's do it, boys.
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We got some anonymous member boosters coming in.
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That's always interesting.
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I thought this was from anonymous.
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Maybe we just have a member that goes by anonymous.
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That could be.
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Yeah.
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We can't really tell. Great coverage as always. That's one. And then a second anonymous boost.
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Yes.
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In the same vein as your OBD2 AI-assisted diagnostics, I've connected my oscilloscope
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to my agent via its ethernet interface and standard control protocol SCPI,
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now I can have my agent watch waveforms and decode serial connections you guys
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got my wheels turning thank you and then we got a scope ID an SDS 1104X0-E,
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I would love to have an oscilloscope this is great,
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maybe we help with the wheel turning if so, thank you So now you're getting
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our wheels turning. That's how this works.
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I'll tell you what I would like to do. And this is, I'd have to have money to
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burn and time to burn. But maybe in a few years, I want to do a totally agent-managed fish tank.
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And then we live stream it, right?
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Managing the levels of pH, everything in there. The temperatures,
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the water flow, the filtration, the feed, everything. Fully managed. Automated fish tank.
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It books people online to come clean it?
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Right. I think a lot of it would probably be home assistant driven.
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And like all the sensors and all the data and all of the actuations would probably
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be home assistant driven, managed by an agent or something like that.
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I think that could be a thing.
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We have a members boost here from Anton.
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Hello, Anton.
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Sorry for the late feedback on Buzz. It was very interesting to me since I'm
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trying to find a way to create and use AI assistants at work and share them with my team.
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I sent a message a few weeks ago about using Hermes at work.
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Do you know if Buzz can be a full replacement for Hermes?
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Yeah, I mean, it's not feature complete, right? But it is essentially an agent
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orchestration platform, or you could connect a Hermes agent.
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Yeah, true. That might be the most easy way to go. I think the main thing was
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that we hadn't quite gone super far into getting a bunch of MCPs configured
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and that kind of stuff, and that'll be the thing probably if you're trying to
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do it at an organization that'll really matter.
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I do think, Anton, though, that is the scenario for it, because people,
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especially that are new to agents,
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why not start with something like Buzz, And then if you need something more
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advanced from a Hermes system, you just bring it in later.
452
00:25:12,447 --> 00:25:15,645
Yeah, because really it's like where it's lacking is sort of on the harness
453
00:25:15,645 --> 00:25:20,715
side. But what it has from the start is the identity layer from Noster and being
454
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built with agents and humans co in mind.
455
00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:24,195
And the group chat stuff. Right. Yeah.
456
00:25:25,721 --> 00:25:29,620
My turn. Jimmy comes in with a free member boost. Can we ask the video game
457
00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:32,110
correspondent why GOG doesn't get more love?
458
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:33,410
We sure can.
459
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:37,720
I think that'd be you, PJ. DRM free means you own it forever,
460
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,484
and they've got a preservation program.
461
00:25:39,641 --> 00:25:43,190
I like Steam, but there's some real overhead there. Just yesterday,
462
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:47,400
I wanted to add a game to my wish list, but couldn't be done without 486 megabyte
463
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,870
download. Really, just to your wish list?
464
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:49,649
That seems small.
465
00:25:50,311 --> 00:25:54,066
PJ, why don't you think GOG gets more love in the Linux community?
466
00:25:55,134 --> 00:25:56,946
is it just steam sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
467
00:25:57,218 --> 00:26:01,520
I would say because of convenience and because of all the hard work that valve
468
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,890
is doing to bring gaming to linux in such massive force with hardware software etc,
469
00:26:08,637 --> 00:26:12,653
gog has been around forever i love drm free games i've got a bunch of them but
470
00:26:12,809 --> 00:26:15,921
the convenience of steam on all of our systems can't beat it.
471
00:26:16,211 --> 00:26:21,169
Yeah yeah yeah i think i think there's a big part of it and then there's branding
472
00:26:21,569 --> 00:26:25,040
and then also it's there's got to be a factor of people coming from windows
473
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,560
true very steam focused not that gog doesn't run great on windows but yeah maybe
474
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,025
we should give it more love jimmy thank you for that.
475
00:26:31,229 --> 00:26:35,204
It's not talked a ton about either but valve has given uh,
476
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:40,350
a lot of information to people or how do i put this they've come out and said
477
00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:43,030
you know we understand we're a software platform
478
00:26:43,466 --> 00:26:47,530
but we're going to ensure these games work even after we're gone um i actually
479
00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:50,740
have faith that they're going to do that so if Valve ever shuts down Steam for
480
00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:54,060
whatever reason, I do believe they're going to make your games still accessible
481
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,771
and playable somehow, someway. They've come out and said this stuff before.
482
00:26:58,797 --> 00:27:01,270
All right. Thank you, Game Correspondent PJ. You want to take a...
483
00:27:01,810 --> 00:27:05,790
Digital Jote boost in with what I'm going to say is a controversial boost.
484
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:06,715
Oh, here we go. Hot boost.
485
00:27:07,742 --> 00:27:10,330
I don't understand the issue with Brent's tabs.
486
00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:10,783
What's that?
487
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:13,076
Brent's tabs.
488
00:27:18,225 --> 00:27:19,672
I think the song explains the problem.
489
00:27:20,448 --> 00:27:20,802
Yeah.
490
00:27:20,802 --> 00:27:25,672
Well, Digital here says every time I start Firefox, I open my previous session.
491
00:27:26,212 --> 00:27:28,792
It's currently 712 tabs over 18 windows.
492
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:32,859
I'll occasionally trim it down, but this is pretty normal.
493
00:27:33,091 --> 00:27:34,711
My goodness.
494
00:27:34,966 --> 00:27:37,792
Is that more or less than you, Brent? Do we have a new king?
495
00:27:37,792 --> 00:27:40,092
And, like, what is the oldest tab there? A year old?
496
00:27:40,719 --> 00:27:42,275
That's a fascinating question.
497
00:27:42,774 --> 00:27:45,132
At what point is it, like, stuff like when you move and you just leave it in
498
00:27:45,132 --> 00:27:48,692
a box? and you never open it. And then you come back to that box five years
499
00:27:48,692 --> 00:27:49,955
later and you're like, oh, I can probably just get rid of this.
500
00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:52,072
But it's a whole window.
501
00:27:52,952 --> 00:27:57,342
712 tabs over 18 windows. Does that sound on par, Brent, or kind of a little
502
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,422
bit beyond what you're doing?
503
00:27:58,422 --> 00:28:02,801
I would say it depends what you're measuring. 18 windows, not unusual in any way.
504
00:28:04,172 --> 00:28:06,792
712 tabs has only happened maybe a couple times.
505
00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:09,642
Is that because low or high?
506
00:28:09,642 --> 00:28:10,872
Wild. Oh, very high.
507
00:28:12,941 --> 00:28:15,832
I feel like we need to stage an intervention. To me, it's just absurd.
508
00:28:16,452 --> 00:28:20,652
So maybe it's, is it the windows the real problem here? We've been so focused
509
00:28:20,652 --> 00:28:22,272
on the tab thing that's the windows.
510
00:28:22,612 --> 00:28:26,662
No, it's like when you discover that a loved one is a massive hoarder and you
511
00:28:26,662 --> 00:28:29,022
go in there and you're like, oh, this room's pretty bad, but it's probably just
512
00:28:29,022 --> 00:28:31,772
this one room. And then you go in the next room's like that and the next room's
513
00:28:31,772 --> 00:28:34,048
like that. That's like this is, but it's a digital version.
514
00:28:35,793 --> 00:28:39,113
I think I can answer the question, at least. We haven't quite answered the question yet.
515
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:39,803
Oh, okay.
516
00:28:39,803 --> 00:28:40,693
Was there a question?
517
00:28:40,693 --> 00:28:41,653
Yeah, I didn't know there was a question.
518
00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:46,083
Oh, wait. No, there's just a bunch of statements saying I'm doing it wrong, but yes.
519
00:28:46,083 --> 00:28:49,563
No, I think they agree with you. No, I think they're on your page.
520
00:28:49,563 --> 00:28:53,853
Oh, oh, oh. I thought they meant what's Brent's issue with the tabs, but they're...
521
00:28:54,253 --> 00:28:55,553
No, they're normalizing your behavior.
522
00:28:55,553 --> 00:28:56,353
Oh, Jode, I like you.
523
00:28:57,193 --> 00:28:58,323
This is why we have a problem.
524
00:28:58,323 --> 00:29:00,652
This is disturbing. No, no, no. You guys are doing it wrong.
525
00:29:01,494 --> 00:29:04,993
mostly my issue is window management and slow.
526
00:29:05,433 --> 00:29:09,983
Boot up times i'll take uh greg the lawyer uh free member boost because greg
527
00:29:09,983 --> 00:29:13,713
was also our baller boost tesla model y update i'm still rocking the factory
528
00:29:13,713 --> 00:29:16,033
lts software release oh yeah right,
529
00:29:16,643 --> 00:29:19,683
there's when you get the car there's like a delay they don't want to like change
530
00:29:19,683 --> 00:29:23,573
anything i see yeah i'm already blown away by fsd and i'm anxiously awaiting
531
00:29:23,573 --> 00:29:25,461
my first official rolling release update
532
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:29,843
and other nudes and other nudes i have always bounced off terminal multiplexers
533
00:29:29,843 --> 00:29:34,696
but i'm really enjoying herder h-e-r-d-r and it's agent awareness i'll have to look that up.
534
00:29:35,283 --> 00:29:38,943
Yeah that's what i've been looking at as well it's kind of nice the runtime
535
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:43,439
your coding agents live on apache 2.0 license written mostly in rust.
536
00:29:44,135 --> 00:29:45,471
She's i like the ui,
537
00:29:47,109 --> 00:29:50,975
Yeah, love FSD. It's going to be a shocker once people try it out.
538
00:29:52,653 --> 00:29:55,103
It's the number one feature of the car. Thanks, Greg. Congratulations.
539
00:29:55,103 --> 00:29:56,931
Thanks for the report and for the pick.
540
00:29:57,563 --> 00:30:03,363
SensorSmile has a member's boost here. I couldn't wait, so I just spent several
541
00:30:03,363 --> 00:30:05,944
hours during vacation last week learning Hermes.
542
00:30:07,353 --> 00:30:12,123
Ended up pushing me to tune a Llama CPP quite a bit, as well as spinning up
543
00:30:12,123 --> 00:30:16,623
a second Llama 3B for compressing context window. So I've been working on a
544
00:30:16,623 --> 00:30:19,162
side project I never thought I would get to.
545
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,566
Thank you for convincing me to do this.
546
00:30:22,193 --> 00:30:24,753
Dude, you're doing it great, too. I think that's a pretty good strat,
547
00:30:24,753 --> 00:30:28,493
having a separate agent just monitoring your context and doing compression for
548
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,047
you and probably being really smart about it.
549
00:30:30,714 --> 00:30:33,993
Paul comes in about copyright. For books, audiobooks, and music from mostly
550
00:30:33,993 --> 00:30:36,032
small local indie brands, I handle it this way.
551
00:30:36,426 --> 00:30:39,468
Can I buy it in a way I fully own it, physical media, DRM-free?
552
00:30:39,869 --> 00:30:42,051
Then I pay and vote with my wallet. Otherwise, I don't.
553
00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:45,558
With games, I prefer DRM-free, but often buy on Steam. as well.
554
00:30:46,318 --> 00:30:51,183
Yeah, it does get tricky when living in a small space to have that kind of stuff,
555
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,538
but I have quite a bit of books just sort of scattered around the RV,
556
00:30:54,892 --> 00:30:58,073
and then I may still end up grabbing the audio version, too, or something.
557
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:02,619
But I've been an Audible customer since forever.
558
00:31:04,207 --> 00:31:05,667
I probably put one of their kids through college by now.
559
00:31:06,207 --> 00:31:08,197
I kind of wish that, you know, in the RV you just had a big,
560
00:31:08,197 --> 00:31:10,147
dedicated rack of cassettes. Took
561
00:31:10,147 --> 00:31:13,047
up a huge amount of space in the limited area, but you insisted on it.
562
00:31:13,047 --> 00:31:13,347
Yeah.
563
00:31:13,347 --> 00:31:14,347
Dragging it around the country.
564
00:31:14,727 --> 00:31:17,385
Sorry, kids. No road trips anymore. We got to keep dad's tapes.
565
00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:22,217
Hey, what did we find? We found a really nice physical media and all my stuff
566
00:31:22,217 --> 00:31:22,957
when we were moving me out.
567
00:31:23,007 --> 00:31:25,037
Oh, yeah. You did have a good collection. Yeah, you did.
568
00:31:25,037 --> 00:31:29,007
What was that? It was a seven, like a video disc? No, that big, huge.
569
00:31:29,407 --> 00:31:30,507
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
570
00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:33,587
The laser disc.
571
00:31:34,527 --> 00:31:35,057
Jackets.
572
00:31:35,057 --> 00:31:36,087
Bags, and laser discs.
573
00:31:36,087 --> 00:31:41,354
That's what Brent collects If anyone wants to pay me a lot of money for a video disc Please reach out.
574
00:31:41,546 --> 00:31:42,827
You want to take our last one there Wes?
575
00:31:42,827 --> 00:31:47,297
So hey M.G Remember Bootsin If other professions like doctors,
576
00:31:47,297 --> 00:31:50,577
electricians, or civil engineers screw up They face scrutiny,
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00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,117
sanction, and possibly a ban
578
00:31:52,117 --> 00:31:56,347
from their profession But if the computer people pull a crowd strike U.S.
579
00:31:56,347 --> 00:32:01,241
East 1 or Cold Guard They say oops And it's largely forgotten Is licensure overdue?
580
00:32:01,601 --> 00:32:03,847
The duct tape is coming apart Mmm.
581
00:32:04,627 --> 00:32:09,187
Hot take, hot take. I don't know. It's tough to say, right? Because you never
582
00:32:09,187 --> 00:32:12,677
really know, especially in free software, how someone's going to use it and
583
00:32:12,677 --> 00:32:16,077
what conditions it might be under and then what edge cases might get exposed.
584
00:32:16,077 --> 00:32:18,174
Like, it's tricky pretty, pretty quick.
585
00:32:18,911 --> 00:32:21,547
But I've always wondered if one day we won't be at some like,
586
00:32:21,918 --> 00:32:24,767
this has been, this software was written by a certified human,
587
00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:25,927
you know, something like that.
588
00:32:26,587 --> 00:32:29,767
And I mean, I suppose you've seen more with things that do get like security
589
00:32:29,767 --> 00:32:34,267
audits or other, you know, I wonder how much sort of curation or...
590
00:32:35,798 --> 00:32:39,676
post hoc verification will become, you know, a necessary prerequisite.
591
00:32:39,676 --> 00:32:42,456
Right, right. There'll probably be entire specialties around it.
592
00:32:43,217 --> 00:32:46,316
All right, that's all the boosts above the 2,000-sat cutoff and our member boosts.
593
00:32:46,346 --> 00:32:50,226
Thank you, everybody. Also, you sat streamers out there, 16 of you stream sats,
594
00:32:50,226 --> 00:32:54,281
and collectively stacked 28,069 satoshis.
595
00:32:54,809 --> 00:32:58,396
Thank you very much. When you combine that with our fiat boosts and our regular
596
00:32:58,396 --> 00:33:02,286
boosts, I think it was all regular sats actually this week, we stacked a grand
597
00:33:02,286 --> 00:33:06,540
total of 454,606 Satoshis.
598
00:33:06,974 --> 00:33:10,176
Thank you, everybody. This show really does live and die on our memberships
599
00:33:10,176 --> 00:33:12,926
and our value for value. If you hear dynamic ads, that means we're scraping
600
00:33:12,926 --> 00:33:14,521
by and we need your support.
601
00:33:14,969 --> 00:33:17,996
And then we have quite the hole to dig ourselves out of. In the meantime,
602
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:21,685
you can boost at boost.jupiterbroadcasting.com. We always love your participation
603
00:33:22,026 --> 00:33:25,496
because this is, for us, the most fun segment of the show. And we really have
604
00:33:25,496 --> 00:33:26,537
no idea what you're going to bring up.
605
00:33:26,973 --> 00:33:29,576
And, of course, it's a great way to get a message in, too, while sending a little
606
00:33:29,576 --> 00:33:32,221
value our way. boost.jupiterbroadcasting.com.
607
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,504
Well, you boys helped me move out of my place recently, and I've been jumping
608
00:33:48,504 --> 00:33:52,094
around all over the place and thinking, how many computers do I own?
609
00:33:52,094 --> 00:33:55,549
So some decommissioning has happened on my side, or at least thinking about it.
610
00:33:56,646 --> 00:34:02,374
But the studio has far more systems than I even can count over there.
611
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:06,125
And so we've been thinking about changing things up a little bit.
612
00:34:06,525 --> 00:34:11,604
It has become time to decommission an old box. A beloved box.
613
00:34:12,406 --> 00:34:14,964
A box that's still technically working just fine.
614
00:34:14,964 --> 00:34:19,474
It's one of those things, right? You're kind of like, well, you're not actively
615
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:22,594
making yourself a problem. You're not the thing that's preventing the show.
616
00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:25,548
You're not constantly getting in our way. And yet.
617
00:34:25,891 --> 00:34:26,314
And yet.
618
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:27,284
We find ourselves here.
619
00:34:27,986 --> 00:34:32,244
Yeah, it's the problem is it just is an old Linux box with sort of forgotten
620
00:34:32,244 --> 00:34:34,584
services that's been running for years.
621
00:34:35,004 --> 00:34:38,594
I think it's, you know, it's a four and a half year old box install,
622
00:34:38,594 --> 00:34:41,504
but the hardware itself is extremely old.
623
00:34:41,504 --> 00:34:50,225
It's a Dell T5400 with quite the energy budget. It has a Xeon processor in it,
624
00:34:50,486 --> 00:34:55,094
and it also has eight 4-gigabyte modules, so 32 gigs of ECC RAM.
625
00:34:55,094 --> 00:34:58,324
How many secret Xeons you got running around in this studio?
626
00:34:58,324 --> 00:34:59,824
That's right, baby. I love ECC.
627
00:34:59,824 --> 00:35:01,424
I knew about this box, but I didn't know it was a Xeon.
628
00:35:01,884 --> 00:35:07,794
Yeah, an E5430, so that gives you an idea of the age, at 2.66 gigahertz.
629
00:35:07,794 --> 00:35:15,360
Now, if you didn't have it fully loaded up, it would approximately use 1,120 kilowatt hours a year.
630
00:35:17,031 --> 00:35:20,294
But it is loaded up, so it probably uses more than that. So it's got a pretty
631
00:35:20,294 --> 00:35:22,535
serious steady power drain.
632
00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:29,084
The hardware is old. It produces quite a bit of heat. The BIOS is dated August 21st, 2008.
633
00:35:29,084 --> 00:35:30,884
Great vintage for BIOSes, yeah.
634
00:35:30,884 --> 00:35:36,094
The root file system was created January 5th, 2022. So it's about four years
635
00:35:36,094 --> 00:35:38,475
and seven months old. So this is the box.
636
00:35:38,864 --> 00:35:41,708
Something tells me it's got a real new kernel on there probably, right?
637
00:35:43,387 --> 00:35:49,731
Okay, so it's running Ubuntu 20.04.6, which is no longer supported, running Linux 5.4.
638
00:35:51,791 --> 00:35:53,650
That's so ancient in our computers.
639
00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:59,031
I know. This is just a bygone era. So much has changed in four years on how we manage systems.
640
00:35:59,031 --> 00:35:59,413
Yes.
641
00:36:03,231 --> 00:36:07,311
So I think the job is to figure out what's using this that we don't know about
642
00:36:07,311 --> 00:36:09,688
or anything weird about this system that maybe we've forgotten.
643
00:36:09,897 --> 00:36:10,711
Because it's probably a lot.
644
00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:15,491
Yeah. and then see if we can safely decommission it. Now, the role that this
645
00:36:15,491 --> 00:36:18,494
machine plays, and Wes, I don't know, can you SSH into it?
646
00:36:18,738 --> 00:36:20,904
Are you able to SSH? You'd have to be on my tail net.
647
00:36:21,269 --> 00:36:22,901
Yeah, let's take a peek here.
648
00:36:22,901 --> 00:36:24,191
Otherwise, I can SSH in.
649
00:36:24,191 --> 00:36:27,021
I have quite a fond connection to this box, I will say.
650
00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:28,451
Uh-huh. I was wondering if you remember.
651
00:36:28,451 --> 00:36:32,521
Uh-huh. I didn't know it existed until this very moment, and somehow it just
652
00:36:32,521 --> 00:36:37,251
showed up ready for the job. But this was, what, five years ago,
653
00:36:37,251 --> 00:36:40,471
something like that, it feels like. Chris and I sat down.
654
00:36:40,471 --> 00:36:41,211
Four years, seven months.
655
00:36:41,211 --> 00:36:48,101
Four to seven months ago. Chris and I sat down one winter and came up with some crazy ideas.
656
00:36:48,101 --> 00:36:53,191
And the boosts came out of this very moment where we just loaded a box.
657
00:36:53,191 --> 00:36:56,991
This was a temporary box. We were just doing a little bit of testing and see how things would go.
658
00:36:56,991 --> 00:37:03,163
And here we are many years later. And this box has been critical for the show
659
00:37:03,511 --> 00:37:09,311
in many ways. I think the, don't the boosts i don't know somehow this the boost
660
00:37:09,311 --> 00:37:11,181
read off this thing it's been.
661
00:37:11,181 --> 00:37:13,591
Important that's one of the things we got to look into is if this is in the
662
00:37:13,591 --> 00:37:18,881
boost scraper pipeline we got to look that up we got to figure that out because
663
00:37:18,881 --> 00:37:21,331
it may be powering some of the back end infrastructure stuff there.
664
00:37:22,011 --> 00:37:26,031
So for me it was like a new era when this box got turned on.
665
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:28,896
Oh we learned so much that yeah.
666
00:37:29,302 --> 00:37:29,941
Yeah we did.
667
00:37:29,941 --> 00:37:33,540
You're right though i forgot this was temporary this was going to be a temporary Well.
668
00:37:34,196 --> 00:37:35,431
What is temporary, you know?
669
00:37:35,451 --> 00:37:41,458
All right. So that's the system. It's time to shut her down.
670
00:37:43,808 --> 00:37:49,852
I'm expecting, when we log in, we're going to see a handful of containers. I think...
671
00:37:50,712 --> 00:37:50,912
Oh.
672
00:37:51,695 --> 00:37:52,275
Oh, yeah?
673
00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:55,729
I recall. Oh, there's memories around this thing.
674
00:37:56,332 --> 00:37:59,706
We're going to see plenty of free space. I don't think that's going to be an issue.
675
00:38:01,132 --> 00:38:04,642
But I bet, you know... In fact, I bet it even has enough RAM.
676
00:38:04,642 --> 00:38:08,472
The problem with this thing is that the disks are slow, slow disks.
677
00:38:08,472 --> 00:38:09,792
All right, so, Wes, what is the...
678
00:38:09,852 --> 00:38:14,472
It sounds like you've already found something fun. What are you spelunking into over there?
679
00:38:14,472 --> 00:38:16,812
Would you like to guess how many containers we are running?
680
00:38:16,812 --> 00:38:18,340
Well, okay, I could, yeah, I could.
681
00:38:19,007 --> 00:38:22,062
You take a guess, and then I'll, you know, stay and listen for a while.
682
00:38:22,062 --> 00:38:24,372
So you got, let's see.
683
00:38:24,372 --> 00:38:24,743
Or,
684
00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:30,532
okay, let's hand one done.
685
00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:36,112
Okay, so I'm going to say, this thing should be able to do everything in seven or eight containers.
686
00:38:36,112 --> 00:38:36,272
No.
687
00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:38,454
Everything you need should be done in, okay, what do you think, Brent?
688
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,590
Well, I have memories around you troubleshooting containers specifically on this box.
689
00:38:44,892 --> 00:38:48,872
And it was, I've never seen you more angry at a computer.
690
00:38:49,772 --> 00:38:53,912
Well, because the issue here is it's like this, they bring this node management
691
00:38:53,912 --> 00:38:56,892
software called Umbral brings their own like Docker orchestration layer.
692
00:38:56,892 --> 00:38:58,004
Seems like a great idea.
693
00:38:58,683 --> 00:39:02,068
Their bash scripts. And then they have a monitoring script called Karen.
694
00:39:02,335 --> 00:39:05,332
And I don't know if they call it this anymore, but it's still on my system called Karen.
695
00:39:05,772 --> 00:39:09,092
And then Karen starts screaming about issues because she's like a system monitor.
696
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:12,322
And so you have their Docker manager scripts, their start and stop scripts,
697
00:39:12,322 --> 00:39:14,912
and their Karen scripts. And that's how they managed everything.
698
00:39:14,912 --> 00:39:16,464
And you had to use that to interact with it.
699
00:39:17,654 --> 00:39:20,862
And that's how they did like boot dependency resolution and all kinds of stuff.
700
00:39:20,862 --> 00:39:23,262
So what do you think? What do you think the number is, Brent? Give us a number.
701
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:30,959
Well, I recall it being surprisingly multiplicity. So I'm going to say...
702
00:39:32,451 --> 00:39:37,838
18. All right. All right. It should be doable in seven containers.
703
00:39:38,941 --> 00:39:41,948
He says 18. What do we got, West Payne? What is our counter?
704
00:39:42,816 --> 00:39:43,296
59.
705
00:39:46,716 --> 00:39:52,596
What is it doing? That's 50 more containers than it needs. What is it doing? What is happening?
706
00:39:53,417 --> 00:39:55,636
Can you give me an overview of what some of that is?
707
00:39:56,136 --> 00:39:56,639
Wow.
708
00:39:57,856 --> 00:40:00,996
So a lot of it is like sidecar tour.
709
00:40:00,996 --> 00:40:04,876
Tour for everything. Everything has its own Tor sidecar. Oh, my.
710
00:40:04,876 --> 00:40:10,116
So there's AppProxy. There's L&D, of course. A bunch more Tor. Lightning Terminal.
711
00:40:11,256 --> 00:40:12,816
Tor is just not the way to self-host stuff.
712
00:40:12,876 --> 00:40:16,056
Electrum Wallet. Oh, my God. Elements Web.
713
00:40:16,056 --> 00:40:16,976
Sure, got to have that.
714
00:40:16,976 --> 00:40:19,026
Something we'll just call, oh, Mempool's front end.
715
00:40:19,026 --> 00:40:19,746
Yeah, got to have Mempool.
716
00:40:19,746 --> 00:40:22,216
You got to have a Mempool widget server.
717
00:40:22,216 --> 00:40:23,696
Uh-huh. You got to have a widget server.
718
00:40:24,096 --> 00:40:26,366
Restarting 54 seconds ago.
719
00:40:26,366 --> 00:40:27,156
Oh, yeah, that one's not good.
720
00:40:27,156 --> 00:40:30,676
Mempool backend. Yeah, got to be. I2PD.
721
00:40:30,676 --> 00:40:32,536
All right, all right.
722
00:40:32,536 --> 00:40:33,176
I get it. I get it.
723
00:40:33,176 --> 00:40:35,856
It's a lot of stuff. God. Just the Tor containers alone are going to have that.
724
00:40:35,876 --> 00:40:38,470
Something from CryptoSharks131.
725
00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:38,836
What?
726
00:40:41,176 --> 00:40:43,896
That wouldn't surprise me at all. Oh, wow. Okay.
727
00:40:44,266 --> 00:40:45,776
You were right, though, in terms of,
728
00:40:47,996 --> 00:40:53,336
usage of things on here. And Prox shows for free dash H here.
729
00:40:53,336 --> 00:40:58,507
We got 20 gigs available, 31 total, 10 use. So we're sitting pretty nice there.
730
00:40:59,192 --> 00:41:07,306
and uh on disk we got 450 uh 460 gigs on the root drive okay but only 34 use
731
00:41:07,306 --> 00:41:10,808
so there's that's only at eight percent use of tons of space on root and then,
732
00:41:11,273 --> 00:41:16,857
on slash serve where all the app data lives that's a 7.3 t setup,
733
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:21,016
uh and only 1.1 t's used so that's a 15 percent fall so there's tons of.
734
00:41:21,616 --> 00:41:23,097
Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute.
735
00:41:24,073 --> 00:41:25,021
You've been looking for disk.
736
00:41:25,021 --> 00:41:25,292
Yeah.
737
00:41:27,794 --> 00:41:31,601
I want to turn this thing off because it's loud and hot and uses a lot of power,
738
00:41:31,601 --> 00:41:34,754
but I don't also just want to throw away 7 terabytes almost of disk.
739
00:41:35,462 --> 00:41:39,221
It's ButterFS, too, if I recall. So, you know, there's that.
740
00:41:39,221 --> 00:41:41,291
There's another one of our mini ButterFS.
741
00:41:41,291 --> 00:41:42,041
Yes, that's right.
742
00:41:44,081 --> 00:41:46,014
SDB1 is a ButterFS array.
743
00:41:46,228 --> 00:41:48,971
So cancel the segment. We're going to keep it on. Is that what we're doing?
744
00:41:48,971 --> 00:41:50,779
Wait a minute. Hold on. It's only one disk?
745
00:41:51,783 --> 00:41:55,201
It looks like. I just see an SDB, SDB1, yeah.
746
00:41:56,881 --> 00:41:59,428
Yeah, we found this disk in one of your drawers in the studio.
747
00:41:59,835 --> 00:42:02,541
Yeah, that's why this is only going to be, one of the reasons it's only going to be temporary.
748
00:42:02,541 --> 00:42:03,251
Right, we meant to...
749
00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:06,720
So we did a single disk setup for something that's kind of central to the...
750
00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:07,731
Sorry, guys.
751
00:42:07,731 --> 00:42:11,515
And then forgot about that. That honestly is a little bit of a surprise to me.
752
00:42:14,141 --> 00:42:16,561
I don't normally, for these kinds of systems, just do a single disk setup.
753
00:42:16,561 --> 00:42:18,266
I'm pretty sure we had a to-do list somewhere.
754
00:42:20,542 --> 00:42:21,111
Probably.
755
00:42:21,256 --> 00:42:21,680
Yeah.
756
00:42:21,796 --> 00:42:24,088
Probably. I mean, it feels like, you know, looking at this box,
757
00:42:24,088 --> 00:42:28,867
it's like ancient Linux archaeology here.
758
00:42:29,488 --> 00:42:31,848
I mean, look at this. 180 pending security updates.
759
00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:35,278
Seven pending security updates that are covered by ESM apps.
760
00:42:35,278 --> 00:42:39,588
And by the way, these are just what's in the extended support.
761
00:42:40,157 --> 00:42:42,678
So not even really everything that's in the repo. These are just what they're
762
00:42:42,678 --> 00:42:46,748
willing to patch through extended support. 180 pending for infra.
763
00:42:47,048 --> 00:42:48,558
Seven pending from apps. and then
764
00:42:48,558 --> 00:42:52,932
six ordinary packages from the repo need upgraded. Docker is old as crap.
765
00:42:53,634 --> 00:42:55,888
I mean, like I said earlier, it's on a kernel 5.4.
766
00:42:56,171 --> 00:42:59,509
For some reason, there's a folder in your home dir called Cardano.
767
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,301
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I thought Cardano was an interesting product.
768
00:43:02,464 --> 00:43:03,567
Like, well, what's the date on that?
769
00:43:04,528 --> 00:43:05,128
Good question.
770
00:43:06,724 --> 00:43:10,548
A while ago. And I looked at that and I'm like, that alone was like, oh my God, what a mess.
771
00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:11,577
January 2022?
772
00:43:12,708 --> 00:43:15,101
Yeah, it was a real mess. It's not still running, right?
773
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:19,508
I didn't see anything running. I was just taking a peek in the home.
774
00:43:19,808 --> 00:43:25,138
That would be funny if that was running all these years Oh my god It's a mystery box to me really.
775
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:32,180
Been up for 180 days. That's not bad. 2.72 load average.
776
00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:34,650
Yeah, yeah. It's really just...
777
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:36,040
Yeah, 2008 era Xeon.
778
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,950
It's disk IO bound, right? It's about 12% of, like, the system pressure is just
779
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,762
disk IO. Is really, like, what I saw when I went in there.
780
00:43:43,145 --> 00:43:48,830
Oh. ButterFS reports device missing. Looks like a multi-device ButterFS volume
781
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:50,390
that may be missing a member disk.
782
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:51,933
Nothing.
783
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:57,222
Wait, did we put two disks in here and you stole one out of it?
784
00:43:57,889 --> 00:44:02,000
I don't know, man. I can't remember. Honestly, this is one of the things that's
785
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,700
changed that really strikes me is today the system would be designed in such
786
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,168
a way that it's self-documenting.
787
00:44:10,289 --> 00:44:13,040
And you would just go look at that and you would understand how it works.
788
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,230
But this was thrown together while we were just doing a project.
789
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:19,170
It was going to be temporary and there wasn't really any documentation.
790
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:21,870
And we were trying to even just figure out how it works. Yeah,
791
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:23,650
boosts, lightning, all of it.
792
00:44:24,604 --> 00:44:25,457
This is a real problem.
793
00:44:26,154 --> 00:44:28,970
I guess I have a big question here. How in the world are we going to figure
794
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:31,030
out what is using this box?
795
00:44:34,147 --> 00:44:35,390
Do you think the boost scraper is using it?
796
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:42,470
Well, it must be for doing the check to see if there's any unique boost that came in on that node.
797
00:44:43,034 --> 00:44:48,010
So we'll want to make sure that wherever we migrate that split to,
798
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:50,600
we are also checking in the scraper.
799
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,850
And we're going to need to collaboratively close the channels on it because
800
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:56,095
we're moving to a different system.
801
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:59,460
So that's something. And then I think, yeah, we'll just have to monitor the
802
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:02,666
traffic and see. It's a real problem.
803
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:06,690
But we already have the host to migrate to. We're moving to a service for it.
804
00:45:07,467 --> 00:45:09,430
And so it's really just a matter of spinning down the channels,
805
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:13,310
I think, letting the fun settle, and then us kind of monitoring what uses it.
806
00:45:15,118 --> 00:45:19,559
Shut down some of the services, but leave the box online for a bit. Monitor it maybe.
807
00:45:20,945 --> 00:45:22,785
I think we'll probably plan for later this week.
808
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,652
Yeah, we could probably do a network cut or something if we want,
809
00:45:26,652 --> 00:45:28,852
just to sort of take it offline and see what barks at us.
810
00:45:28,852 --> 00:45:29,872
Yeah, see what breaks for a little bit.
811
00:45:30,532 --> 00:45:32,410
Jeff did that to us one time, if you remember.
812
00:45:32,915 --> 00:45:34,402
I do recall, and some things broke.
813
00:45:34,402 --> 00:45:38,254
Yes. Yeah, he just cut the power to this box, not thinking it was important or anything.
814
00:45:38,364 --> 00:45:39,072
Right? A couple times.
815
00:45:39,432 --> 00:45:39,932
Oh, yeah, right, right.
816
00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:41,972
You guys also remember you blew the circuit that one time.
817
00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:44,312
Well, you've got to blow a circuit or two to get progress.
818
00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:51,008
Yeah, but it was a tough call, Because like Wes said at the start,
819
00:45:52,112 --> 00:45:55,652
there's other things that are also not working as well that could maybe be fixed sooner.
820
00:45:56,412 --> 00:45:59,712
But it just feels like now is the time to start pruning older infrastructure
821
00:45:59,712 --> 00:46:01,126
that you're not actively maintaining.
822
00:46:01,381 --> 00:46:05,776
Right. And like a lot of the value was we didn't know what we were doing.
823
00:46:05,938 --> 00:46:08,352
We needed something that could set up the pieces because we didn't even know
824
00:46:08,352 --> 00:46:10,742
what all the pieces were or which ones were necessary.
825
00:46:10,742 --> 00:46:11,145
Yeah.
826
00:46:11,534 --> 00:46:14,852
We understand a lot of that better now, right? And so like we would never set
827
00:46:14,852 --> 00:46:18,372
it up this way. We don't really want to operate it in this setup.
828
00:46:18,372 --> 00:46:18,703
Right.
829
00:46:18,918 --> 00:46:23,283
It actively goes against most of the things we'd prefer to have it do.
830
00:46:23,742 --> 00:46:26,032
So it's nice to retire it, but it is, you're right. It was like,
831
00:46:26,032 --> 00:46:29,088
it's sort of nostalgic too. And I'm really glad it held up.
832
00:46:29,721 --> 00:46:33,106
It was also very early in the like boost ecosystem.
833
00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:36,472
I remember for a couple of weeks there, we were changing things pretty quickly
834
00:46:36,792 --> 00:46:42,513
on this box just because all of the developers were evolving things and it was a really exciting time.
835
00:46:43,344 --> 00:46:48,452
Is this where we were doing a little, we were trying out some of the IPFS podcasting maybe too, right?
836
00:46:49,897 --> 00:46:52,406
It's good times. It was a lot of fun and that box was very educational,
837
00:46:53,096 --> 00:46:55,023
but it is time to wind her down.
838
00:47:05,838 --> 00:47:09,927
Well, we live in a world where more than ever, we're close to being able to,
839
00:47:10,387 --> 00:47:12,327
summon software out of the void.
840
00:47:12,327 --> 00:47:15,787
And whether you should trust that software or not is a separate discussion.
841
00:47:15,787 --> 00:47:21,107
But one thing I find fun about that is you can kind of, you can try out more
842
00:47:21,107 --> 00:47:25,317
ideas. Because in theory, you could get some help to make it happen if the idea
843
00:47:25,317 --> 00:47:29,667
made any sense. And I think that means thinking about new ideas is what we should be doing.
844
00:47:30,051 --> 00:47:34,310
And I was just musing, if you could just add one feature to the kernel,
845
00:47:34,583 --> 00:47:37,737
you know, That Linux kernel you're running, not that you needed other people
846
00:47:37,737 --> 00:47:41,227
to run, not that you're endorsing is a good idea, but something that
847
00:47:41,607 --> 00:47:45,821
you would love to see put into kernel space and taken out of user space. What would it be?
848
00:47:46,827 --> 00:47:49,612
Or if you want to take something out, that could work too.
849
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,007
Or another way to phrase it, like if I was king of the kernel for a day,
850
00:47:53,007 --> 00:47:54,977
I mean, you could just fork it, right? And add your own thing too.
851
00:47:54,977 --> 00:47:57,170
You don't have to be king of the kernel. It's a fun idea.
852
00:47:57,692 --> 00:48:01,647
I'll tell you what I would do. I know right away exactly what I would do.
853
00:48:01,647 --> 00:48:02,157
Really?
854
00:48:02,157 --> 00:48:06,767
I could. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's so obvious. First of all, I'd rip out Samsung's
855
00:48:06,767 --> 00:48:12,917
SMB server that I've never liked, and I would use that hole to put in something
856
00:48:12,917 --> 00:48:15,241
way more useful. Ready for this, boys?
857
00:48:16,216 --> 00:48:22,869
Kernel SSH. I call it K-SSHD. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
858
00:48:23,847 --> 00:48:27,717
And you might think this is crazy, and we get close. There are projects like
859
00:48:27,717 --> 00:48:33,386
Drakkut SSHD and others that get very early, so like even before the disk is decrypted.
860
00:48:34,065 --> 00:48:37,949
but not at the kernel level. However, this is actually quite possible.
861
00:48:38,355 --> 00:48:42,738
In fact, there's a project out there called Wolf SSH, Wolf SSH,
862
00:48:43,202 --> 00:48:46,947
which is probably the most realistic existing implementation you could already
863
00:48:46,947 --> 00:48:49,239
use and port it into a Linux kernel module.
864
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:54,497
It's designed to be an embeddable SSH v2 library rather than a Unix daemon.
865
00:48:54,497 --> 00:48:55,107
Oh.
866
00:48:55,727 --> 00:48:59,717
Works without file system support and is designed for embedded configurations
867
00:48:59,717 --> 00:49:04,025
where there's no file system or they have to use their own virtual custom IO
868
00:49:04,437 --> 00:49:08,303
and the cryptographic library WolfCrypt already in the Linux kernel.
869
00:49:09,354 --> 00:49:13,603
It's already in the Linux kernel. And so what Samsung did for KSMBD,
870
00:49:14,491 --> 00:49:18,083
and I think this is what I would do, is they divided SMBD into two pieces.
871
00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:21,483
The kernel stuff has the protocol, the crypto signing, session management,
872
00:49:21,483 --> 00:49:26,963
open read write handling, locking of files, VFS operations. That lives in KSMBD
873
00:49:27,323 --> 00:49:28,661
in your Linux kernel right now.
874
00:49:29,078 --> 00:49:32,723
And then in the user space, they manage the user accounts, the Samba config,
875
00:49:32,723 --> 00:49:37,187
your share info, RPC protocol, policy type operations is in user space.
876
00:49:37,721 --> 00:49:42,424
And KSMBD creates a real TCP server entirely inside the kernel.
877
00:49:42,952 --> 00:49:46,946
It maintains generic netlink interface between the kernel and the KSMBD mounts.
878
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,813
And it manages the protocol between the kernel and user space,
879
00:49:51,813 --> 00:49:58,813
which includes things like login response and RPC requests and crypto authentication
880
00:49:58,813 --> 00:50:01,359
and signing. All the things you need for SSH.
881
00:50:01,864 --> 00:50:07,393
So you could take KSSHD, put it in this space, break it up like they broke up
882
00:50:07,393 --> 00:50:09,893
Samba, where the SSH framing, the key stuff,
883
00:50:10,334 --> 00:50:13,614
all the channels, the host keys, pubkey verifies, handled by the kernel daemon,
884
00:50:13,945 --> 00:50:17,523
which then drops to user space for user lookup, authorized key, PAM.
885
00:50:18,603 --> 00:50:25,531
PTY creation, all that policies, environment, your user stuff is in the user space. And...
886
00:50:26,768 --> 00:50:31,322
It would be dramatically smaller than KSMBD. I had the clanker do a little mock-up comparison.
887
00:50:32,251 --> 00:50:33,372
When's version one?
888
00:50:33,372 --> 00:50:39,358
So my idea would make the kernel leaner and probably be more useful for all of us.
889
00:50:40,077 --> 00:50:45,562
And the Benny would be SSH remains available when your user space is totally
890
00:50:45,562 --> 00:50:51,298
crapped out, and it is even theoretically possible you could SSH in and monitor the init process.
891
00:50:51,867 --> 00:50:54,992
So you're basically tired of forgetting to turn SSH on? You're just like,
892
00:50:54,992 --> 00:50:57,632
if I build it in at the kernel level, then it's always on.
893
00:50:58,192 --> 00:51:01,972
Well, I just got thinking, like, think about for, like, provisioning at scale
894
00:51:02,292 --> 00:51:07,197
or even, like, IoT devices, some sort of, like, LAN-based SSH.
895
00:51:08,072 --> 00:51:12,412
I just think it could be really useful. Like, the little tiny microserver you
896
00:51:12,412 --> 00:51:15,942
could deploy that has a little tiny secure SSH by default.
897
00:51:15,942 --> 00:51:19,182
Or you could get Disco to sort of get into the kernel right there and then take
898
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things over and make sure it's a Nix machine.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Every time it boots.
901
00:51:22,292 --> 00:51:24,212
That's obviously it. That's obviously it.
902
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You know, this would have helped me recently. When we were together,
903
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I was like, remember I was pounding that server with just backups?
904
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Yeah.
905
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And I did something, I don't even remember what, but SSH just dropped out.
906
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And I was remote and I was trying to do a bunch of backups like in the middle
907
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of the night. And I couldn't do it because like I'm not going to go to the other
908
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place where people are sleeping and like hit the on-off button or whatever.
909
00:51:47,682 --> 00:51:51,802
And SSH just dropped out. But everything else was fine. Like the kernel is still up and all that.
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00:51:51,852 --> 00:51:53,612
IPMI? No, my.
911
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No.
912
00:51:53,902 --> 00:51:55,492
I got SSH built in, right?
913
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Boom! Nailed it.
914
00:51:58,036 --> 00:52:00,736
Okay, Wes, if you could add a feature to the kernel.
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Yeah, I was just thinking, okay, you know, for a long time, the kernels had
916
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the ability to, like, migrate virtual machines over the network, right?
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And it can, like, handle keeping the memory in sync.
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Why don't we have that for applications? I want the kernel to be able to just
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take my app from one machine I got and then just poof, make it show up on the
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other machine. Why do I got to be syncing everything?
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00:52:25,018 --> 00:52:27,128
This feels right. This feels really right.
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You know, like App Teleport is part of the kernel. They form a little kernel
923
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mesh. They auto-discover AppleTalk style and put that back in.
924
00:52:35,228 --> 00:52:38,678
You wonder, too, could you do something like where maybe you identify an application,
925
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you migrate all of its processes to a namespace, you isolate that namespace,
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and then you can somehow group it up and move it.
927
00:52:45,201 --> 00:52:45,448
Yeah.
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And you start a new namespace on the system.
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00:52:46,938 --> 00:52:49,508
Some of its storage is, you know, shared network mount or something already.
930
00:52:49,508 --> 00:52:52,968
Yeah, right. You'd have to do something with storage. But if you could transport
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the memory content securely.
932
00:52:55,273 --> 00:52:58,538
Why not? And, you know, we'll have everything on a NIC store so,
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like, the binaries will be available.
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00:53:00,088 --> 00:53:03,470
Stop it. If it's not there, just run it. Oh, that's good. All right.
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I'm not sure which one I like more. I think I might like that one more.
936
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I think I would use that maybe more in my day-to-day.
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Well, I was going to say put, you know, like a Lisp REPL in the kernel,
938
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but I thought this might be more useful.
939
00:53:13,623 --> 00:53:18,098
Okay, Brent, if you could add something to the kernel, what do you think you'd add?
940
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Are we saying tab management? Is that the appropriate thing?
941
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Firefox accelerator.
942
00:53:26,352 --> 00:53:27,971
Like a scheduler for my tabs.
943
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Kernel space Firefox.
944
00:53:29,748 --> 00:53:34,018
There you go. There you go. I was thinking just like a lot of the essential
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tools that we seem to use on every single machine.
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Things like R-Sync has been around forever. I don't know. It's as close as I
947
00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:46,408
feel an application is feature complete. Like, let's just throw it in there.
948
00:53:46,408 --> 00:53:48,258
Every single person should be
949
00:53:48,258 --> 00:53:51,232
using it on their Linux box. I don't know if they are, but I certainly do.
950
00:53:51,923 --> 00:53:56,422
So I don't know. Maybe I'm just tired of installing stuff. I just want it all in one neat little box.
951
00:53:57,229 --> 00:53:59,411
You know, I got a big idea for you.
952
00:54:01,936 --> 00:54:03,196
K systemd.
953
00:54:03,991 --> 00:54:04,745
Whoa.
954
00:54:05,405 --> 00:54:05,665
Right?
955
00:54:06,065 --> 00:54:08,035
That's like KDBus to a whole new level.
956
00:54:08,035 --> 00:54:11,945
Bring it all together. One giant kernel. I mean, you know that's where it's
957
00:54:11,945 --> 00:54:13,303
going anyways. Let's do it.
958
00:54:13,906 --> 00:54:16,931
Yeah, but we're still kind of waiting for systemd to have a good text editor, right?
959
00:54:17,035 --> 00:54:20,123
Yeah, we do need that. You're right about that. We need systemd editd.
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00:54:20,697 --> 00:54:25,025
All right, Boost in. Let us know which one of our features you would vote for
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if you had to back one of us and what you would add or take out of the Linux kernel yourself.
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00:54:29,865 --> 00:54:31,105
Boost.JupyterBroadcasting.
963
00:54:31,105 --> 00:54:34,625
I mean, code submissions for a compilable module do get extra points.
964
00:54:34,625 --> 00:54:34,945
It's true.
965
00:54:35,825 --> 00:54:38,525
I like your thinking there, Wes. Boost.jubitabroadcasting.com.
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That way we can put it in our kernel.
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Well, I just want to mention, if you haven't joined our Matrix community,
968
00:54:45,611 --> 00:54:48,941
it's still going. And if you have become disillusioned with Discord,
969
00:54:48,941 --> 00:54:51,126
go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash Matrix.
970
00:54:51,590 --> 00:54:55,071
We have a couple of chat rooms going all the time in there. The JB chat,
971
00:54:55,071 --> 00:54:56,083
kind of our general chat.
972
00:54:56,362 --> 00:54:59,201
We have an agent operations chat, if you're into that kind of thing.
973
00:54:59,201 --> 00:55:03,891
And we have also chats in there for, like, the launch, the Linux Unplugged dedicated
974
00:55:03,891 --> 00:55:07,397
chat. But you can get started at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash Matrix.
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00:55:07,803 --> 00:55:13,001
And then just for your extended calendar planning, Texas Linux Fest is on our
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radar. We don't have our details locked down yet, but it's October 3rd through
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the 4th. Oh, this is the old website.
978
00:55:19,141 --> 00:55:20,271
I believe it's November now.
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00:55:20,271 --> 00:55:21,182
Yeah, yeah.
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November 6th through the 7th, 2026.
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Oh, man. See, here's what happened to me is if you Google for the Texas Linux
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Fest, the first result is the 2025. Come on, Googs.
983
00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:35,701
What are you using all these AI GPUs for? Figure it out. 88 days,
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00:55:35,701 --> 00:55:37,551
13 hours, 13 minutes, 40 seconds.
985
00:55:37,741 --> 00:55:39,221
That's getting to be sounded soon.
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That's why I wanted to mention it. We're planning to be there.
987
00:55:41,851 --> 00:55:45,471
We don't know how we're going to get there, but we may ask for help,
988
00:55:45,471 --> 00:55:46,161
but we'll tell you more about that.
989
00:55:46,161 --> 00:55:46,921
Something fuel lines.
990
00:55:46,921 --> 00:55:49,771
Maybe we start putting a plan together and we actually get our crap together,
991
00:55:50,241 --> 00:55:51,101
soon. Maybe that's what I do.
992
00:55:51,101 --> 00:55:52,961
We say that every time. Maybe this time.
993
00:55:53,481 --> 00:55:57,141
We should be starting our home lab holidays.
994
00:55:57,661 --> 00:55:58,941
Oh, right, right, right.
995
00:55:58,941 --> 00:55:59,341
Right.
996
00:56:01,741 --> 00:56:03,581
Speaking of stuff we are behind on already.
997
00:56:04,061 --> 00:56:07,361
How do we get it so bad? How do we get it so bad? You're right about that.
998
00:56:07,361 --> 00:56:10,391
All right. Maybe, can we just do an episode where we catch up on stuff?
999
00:56:10,391 --> 00:56:12,696
Would that be fun for anybody? Would that be? I don't know.
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00:56:14,947 --> 00:56:18,726
But before we go any further, I want to say time-appropriate greetings to our
1001
00:56:18,726 --> 00:56:21,169
virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room.
1002
00:56:22,649 --> 00:56:24,496
Hey, Chris. Hey, Russ. And hello, Brent.
1003
00:56:24,496 --> 00:56:25,556
Hello, guys.
1004
00:56:25,556 --> 00:56:27,876
Hello. Thanks for sticking around.
1005
00:56:28,356 --> 00:56:33,076
Hope you've been enjoying the episode so far. We're just about out of here, as they say.
1006
00:56:33,076 --> 00:56:33,696
Just about to get started.
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00:56:33,716 --> 00:56:38,412
You know, today on the show, we're going to throw you for a loop because it
1008
00:56:38,412 --> 00:56:41,826
turns out we're actually going to do it in reverse. We'll tell you about decommissioning
1009
00:56:41,826 --> 00:56:45,585
a system, about the kernel features we'd like to add, and then we'll wrap it up.
1010
00:56:45,718 --> 00:56:49,085
Well, actually, we'll start it with some boosts and some picks. So there you go.
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That's it. Hope you enjoyed the Reverso episode.
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00:56:54,078 --> 00:56:54,734
We'll see you next week.
1013
00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:00,968
I'm Brent.
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We're out of here. No, we're done.