OM DENNE EPISODE
Join K'Dia Brooks as she welcomes Kathy Luzzi to the Tradition First Podcast in a profoundly honest and moving episode that explores faith, culture, and personal transformation. Kathy opens up about her journey as a first-generation Vietnamese American, raised Buddhist, and navigating a complex world where traditions and spiritual beliefs sometimes clash.
Kathy shares her compelling testimony of overcoming spiritual turmoil and finding peace in Christianity. Her story unveils the struggles young individuals face when left to choose between faith and the countercultural forces pushing them away from spiritual paths.
Experience the heart of this conversation as Kathy talks unapologetically about the pressing issue of youth leaving their faith, exploring the idea that true discipleship begins at home. Discover how family dynamics influenced her decision to pursue a Christian path with her husband and children, and how the power of faith and community can offer a sanctuary from the chaos of the outside world.
This episode unveils Kathy’s mission driven by faith and authenticity. Witness her dedication to challenging cultural norms and offering a beacon of hope for those lost in the shadows of deception. Tune in for this transformative narrative that is bound to inspire and encourage a deeper understanding of personal belief and identity in a fragmented world.
To find out more about Kathy and her ministry, you can find her on Instagram here:
https://www.instagram.com/kathy_liftdfaith/
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Tradition First podcast. My name is Katia Brooks
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and I'm the founder and executive director of the Tradition First Foundation.
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And today we have Kathy Luzzi.
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Did I say that right? You did, Luzzi. Yep. Okay.
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Okay, because I meant to ask you that before. I was like, okay,
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I'm going to wing it. No, you did perfectly.
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All right, awesome. And so today she's just going to be here and share her testimony
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and talk to us a little bit about apologetics and maybe get into why the youth
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is experiencing this countercultural spiritual warfare and which is causing
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them to leave the faith in rapid numbers.
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And so we want to kind of talk about this and address this and see what we can
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do for this generation moving forward so that they're growing stronger in Christ.
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And so, Kathy, can you give us a little bit of a bio, a little bit about who
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you are, and kind of your story, and we'll kind of unpack that.
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Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me on here, Kadea. I'm sorry if I say your name wrong.
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Please correct me. But, so, yes, married seven years to my husband.
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We have three boys together. So I got a little bonus son.
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He's 14. Well, he's not little, but he's 14. We have a six-year-old and a two-year-old.
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So pretty big ranges.
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And yeah, I grew up here in Phoenix, Arizona.
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I was born and raised and I'm first-generation Vietnamese American in my family.
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And yes, and so my husband was born in New York. So he's been here for about
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30 years, I think, something like that, almost 30 years.
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And yeah, so I grew in Phoenix as a Buddhist.
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My family was raised, you know, they came from Vietnam. So it's a very heavily
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Buddhist country or religion, sorry.
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And it's just been passed down generations. You know, my grandparents,
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I see the way they teach my parents.
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So it's like, it's just passed down. So naturally I was passed down,
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the religion and grew up with it and it
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was to say it was not easy is
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like I would be lying because to have two cultures
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and then two religions I mean not two religions but you know a culture that
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a religion that wasn't dominant growing up right you know it's very in lifestyle
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out it was very difficult to maneuver. Right.
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And, you know, it wasn't, I knew when I had kids, I was like,
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I'm not going to do, I wasn't going to raise a Buddhist.
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That was already a hundred percent sure.
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So what caused you to have that, yeah, that apprehension about,
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yeah, I was raised this way, but maybe this isn't the right way.
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It never felt right spiritually with me.
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You know, maybe people might call that instincts or intuition,
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but like when I would pray and just do the rituals, it just didn't feel right.
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I didn't feel like I was like this, you know, what Jesus offers,
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like that loving, just peace.
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Peace is probably the word I would look for.
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I had no peace. I grew up very depressed.
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I was very isolated in a way we had you know three I have three I'm sorry I'm
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one of three kids so there was five of us in a home and each of us felt like
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I would say I and I think they would agree we all feel like roommates you know it was always like,
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My mom's had her thing. My sister had her thing. My brother,
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nobody. And it didn't function as like a unit, a family.
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And it was so you're kind of you're there, but you're there like everyone's
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kind of fending their own emotions, feelings. It wasn't something you talk about.
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You know, if you have a bad day, you don't talk about it. You suck it up and move on.
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It's kind of the culture. Right. so a lot of us grow
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up very closed off very harsh like very seems
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like we're very emotionless I would say yeah it's
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so interesting with like some of the Asian cultures because like I'm here in
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South Korea and it's interesting to see like so when we take our kids to the
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park the you know other five and six and seven year olds here they don't play
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the same yeah have phones already.
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And they're kind of like I don't know
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like my kids are screaming and they're loud and they're playing and
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they're being roughhousing and then the other kids kind of look at them
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here and like they're very polite they're very
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independent you see the kids five or six years old
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walking home from like wherever the elementary school is
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their apartment here by themselves and that's
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here you know South Korea Japan things like that and
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it's a very independence culture I guess it's like
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an idea of like you you kind of get it's independence treated
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as an adult treated as a you know individual but it seems like more of that
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the social skills the social emotional skills and things like that are a little
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a very different for asian cultures yes it's like like you said like in like
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you like you're expected to be to figure it out on your own kind of thing.
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Like you should know how to handle that and i remember i just remember too always
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growing up my parents were like, don't trust anybody.
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Don't trust anybody. Don't trust anybody. And you know, that,
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that that gives you like a fear or like you're always like okay you meet somebody a friend,
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who is a genuine pure person and you could
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be like nope I can't trust her I'm gonna push it like I'm gonna push her away
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or hit away future husband or whatever you know and then you start to get closed
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off and that's what happened was like I wasn't allowed to be social so I wasn't
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allowed to hang out with friends especially boys were around and sleepovers
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were a big thing you know,
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that's not, you know, that's not a big thing in our family.
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And not that like you should let your kids sleep over, but it was like social
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life was very isolating.
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I didn't have, I don't have friends. I didn't have, you know,
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I didn't have a good group.
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I kind of bounced around, which, you know, and then I ended up just talking
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to the same person all the time.
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Then I had best friends, but it was definitely hard for me to make friends.
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Yeah. Do you think that that was more indicative of what was
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their situation being able like coming to America and
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you know that that journey from Vietnam you
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think that's kind of indicative of their experience with coming over
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here and maybe the hardship that they experienced yeah it could you know you
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know they had to fend for themselves at a very young age too so I I get my parents
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being like you should also always you know fend for yourself and be be wary
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and we should all we should all definitely be like that, but,
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I think once they reached that point of like, they finally made it,
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it was like, okay, now we need to protect this.
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And now we can't let anybody else in because now they're just after youth or
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something, whether it's our money or a house, whatever it is.
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Even to this day, actually, now that I think about it, my parents still get
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skeptical when I, like, if I don't lock the door, like, if I don't lock the
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door behind me, like, did you lock the door?
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I'm like, oh my God, yeah. Like, is there a mockery coming after you?
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It's so wild that they are just so skeptical of a lot of just the outside. Yeah.
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Being over here immersed in Asian culture, I completely get it.
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Yeah. You really don't get it until you're like in it, you know?
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When people are seeing, they're like, what?
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Movies that, you know. And that was another thing because there was a culture
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difference. I never watched trendy movies, trendy music, you know.
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I barely knew Britney Spears, you know, all her hit songs. People would think I was crazy.
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Like, what do you mean? You don't know the whole lyrics. I'm like,
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I don't listen to this stuff.
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So I was very different. Very different.
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Yeah, that's so interesting. So when it comes to,
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you know, like I said, like I said before we, you know,
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started the podcast, Our nonprofit is kind of centered around a study that was
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done by the Barna Group that was able to conclude that nearly 70% of Christian
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high schoolers who enter college will leave with little to no faith.
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We spoke a little bit before about kind of your college experience and seeing that.
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And especially now knowing your background, I can imagine like college was a process for you.
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College was college for me that's
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the shit whatever you can
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think about college is probably what i've experienced because
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it was that you know that time of freedom for us a lot
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of us right right and i
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think kind of what this statistic ended up
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concluding has to do with just the ecosphere of
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college or just the aspect of when you go to
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college or when you're that age you're kind of searching you're kind
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of in a searching mode of who you are and your purpose and who you're meant
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to be things like that or is it is it so much so is it academia or is it so
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much so that there is a that you know do you think is there the searching and
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then they just don't get the answers and it just leads some kind of whichever
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way that they end up slowing.
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I guess it would because I didn't, you know, grow up in a Christian home.
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I wouldn't, you know, I guess it would depend on like how that Christian home was, of course.
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But me getting to college was more I didn't I didn't stay on the campus.
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So I think that was my saving grace, to be honest. Yeah.
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Because I definitely would have probably flunked every single one of my classes
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because I did unfortunately end up going that party girl route,
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you know, drinking as every opportunity, partying.
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But because I didn't stay on campus, I did have friends who lived on campus.
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So I would drive to do. And, you know, I was young, 18, 19, no boyfriend, nothing to hold me back.
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So I could, of course, shouldn't be drinking. But, you know, things happen.
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And so I could see, yes, like the influence of other cultures,
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because there is a lot of culture.
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I know when I was in school, I did meet a lot of cultures that were outside
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of America, you know, Asia, India, all of those.
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And so, especially when you start, you know, meeting one and maybe dating one,
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especially a Christian, I even to this day, I know Christian women who have
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married into a different culture.
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They, you slowly start to reform, right?
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You slowly start to take on the more dominant, whoever's more,
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I guess, dominantly involved in their religion, right?
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And so, if it's usually the male, you know.
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And I could see that. And because there's a lot of that, like if half your class
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is from a different country, culture, you know, it's, I'm sure it goes both
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ways, academically and culturally.
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Like, you're both gonna, especially like if half the class is from a specific
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country and they're just like acing every test because of their,
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maybe their discipline.
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Like my discipline with academics was very good. I wanted to get straight A's.
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I wanted to get, what is it, the cum laude, you know, those.
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I was like that. And I knew how to say no when I needed to say no.
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And that's a culture thing for me because I was disciplined and I was honestly
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scared that if I didn't pass with a diploma, my parents would throw me out in
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the streets or something, you know.
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And like that's not saying that's healthy, but that was like the fear I had
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to like pleasing my parents because they are they come from that very strict
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household, traditional household.
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So I so, you know, you get that influence. Well, how do you know how do you
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study? How do you do? I want to be like that.
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And and and, you know, and they see success in that. So I could see someone
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who maybe came from a Christian home who isn't as disciplined or was as,
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they didn't instill that kind of fear on their child.
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They would be more influenced, you know, if maybe their faith with the Christianity wasn't as strong.
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Yeah, right. Just the ecosphere is tempting to get, you know,
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dabble in a little bit of this, dabble in a little bit of that.
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You know, meet this person, meet that person.
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Absolutely. The military is exactly the same. I would say that very similar
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for like people who are Christian who join the military you know you have,
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You have people from all over the world, really, because there are people who
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come from different countries who join our military.
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It's a normal pathway to citizenship for a lot of people from other countries
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who want to come to America.
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And so you're around different cultures and you're around different people and things like that.
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And I say the military is a different element because you're supposed to see
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this person as a brother or sister, someone to protect.
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One too you know you have their back and you kind of you know most of us didn't even know any.
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Any cultural things it was just like hey we just hang out
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i don't know anything about you but i know we're cool we hang out that's
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kind of what the military ethos creates and then
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you know obviously the layer on top of that is when you go and you
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deploy and you you see things
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you know you see children's schools
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being blown up or you see women and and children
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being you know discarded or you know
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things like things like that different cultures meet that you know that you
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see when you deploy and so there's things that you see in the military where people
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come to a point where they say where they start questioning their faith
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because especially when you're really up close and
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personal with evil with radical ideologies and things like that it makes you
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question your faith and so kind of share your testimony of how you went from
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buddhist to full-on mission you know i follow your instagram so you also share
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a lot of fitness stuff and things like that and
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that into your Christian life right now.
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So what was that transition like for you, especially since you didn't have a Christian upbringing?
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Yeah. So, you know, we got married and fast forward, let's see.
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So I was baptized and saved last year. Yeah. It's been a little over a year now.
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And so I was in my early thirties and we already had my last baby.
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So I was done having kids.
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And I got to a point where I was like, okay, I need to figure out what faith
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I want to put my children in because they're getting older, right?
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And we do believe in putting them in a faith background somewhere.
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It's just to have some root.
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And actually, we went to a Christian church before COVID because my first son,
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the six-year-old, was going through a birthing, I don't know,
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I don't really want to call it defects,
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but it is, I guess. He was born half-deaf.
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And so we just, and he had a lot of health issues the first year.
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So it was a lot of just obviously uncertainty and just, we were very fingerful of what would happen.
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He'd end up in the hospital twice for lung issues.
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And it got my husband really trying to pull, it got him going,
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I wanted to go back to church.
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And he was first one, actually, that initiate. And he was actually born,
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I'm sorry, baptized Catholic.
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So going to a Christian church was actually very surprising to me because neither
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of us had any Christian background.
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But the church that we picked, it's a very big church in our community.
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So we just naturally gravitated towards it.
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And then COVID happened. And, of course, we stopped for about four years.
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And then 2023 I decided to go
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back on my own because I was going through sure
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postpartum had a lot to do with it and I was really unsure
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of my identity I was trying to figure out
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how to make a living and be home as a mom and
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I because I refused to do the nine to five thing I just refused
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to do it I was not going to go to back to work I did
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hair for a living I still do it I had but I
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was working for a salon and I was
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afraid to like go on my own but I knew if I went on my
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own that's where I'd have that flexibility but everyone knows as
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a hairdresser you're kind of limited on what can make right right and
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I didn't want to trade my time for money I was like I need
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something that's going to make me money where I can just stay home and I
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kind of found this online marketing business and
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I kind of fell into the trap of
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like copying others on how to do
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it I try to do this this business of affiliate marketing and I did it totally
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wrong and I'm not saying you can't succeed in it in a in the right way but I
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did it totally wrong didn't know what I'm doing and I could just feel myself
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like hating it every single day and I just like I was like unhappy.
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My husband was unhappy. We were just miserable in my home. Our home was very
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small. We had outgrown it.
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And I was like, you know what? I don't know what else to do.
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I'm miserable. I'm depressed.
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My marriage is falling apart. My children, I didn't want my relationship with
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my children to get worse.
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That was very impatient, very antsy. I know most moms can relate to that at some point.
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And so I just was like, this isn't healthy for me. My mental health wasn't right.
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And so I went to church and I just started going every week.
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And then my husband started joining me. So that was nice. And about six months
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in, I'd say, I just, it was Easter, actually.
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I just felt, I just heard God. And he was like, this is it.
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He had been telling me to get baptized for a while. And I had just thought it
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was my own thing. I don't know.
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I'm being too fast forward. I don't even know if I like this church.
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I got to keep going and see.
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No, that was it. The Easter weekend, the week after I made the appointment to get baptized.
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And ever since then, I have been walking faithfully.
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I've been trying to, of course. The first few months were a little rocky and
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just trying to understand everything.
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And me and my husband met at the gym. So the gym is a very big part of our lives.
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And I always try, we both use the gym as our little break, mental break.
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And just to kind of like bring us down, you know, bring us up,
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sorry, from the other mental darkness that we were going through.
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So, and yeah, I started reading the Bible immediately because I had no idea
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about Christianity. I thought I was behind.
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So as like a 30-something year old Christian, like the ones,
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if I was going to join a Bible study group or something, I wanted to know everything
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or at least majority of it because I had no idea who Jesus was. I had no idea.
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I had heard of him, of course, but I never knew the story.
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So I did it the totally, probably not the best way. I read from Genesis first.
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And then I went all the way to the New Testimony. It took me to Two Testiments
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in six months, I think. I got to the New Testament.
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And then that's when everything clicked. So that's why I was like,
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maybe I should have started in the New Testament.
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So this is... We should start there. Start at the Gospels. Mark, Luke, and John.
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Any new believers here or, you know, thinking about it, she's talking the book
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of John. Yes, she's right.
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But again, I had no guidance. I'm very stubborn, too. And of course,
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just because I found Jesus, I was going to change that right away, right?
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So I did my own stubborn way of just, I'm going to figure out my own.
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I got this. I'm going to read it.
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Open it. Like, you read the first page and no, probably I wouldn't recommend
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it. I'm just going to start here in the beginning.
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Yes. Keep going. Oh, my God. It was rough. Yeah, I'm definitely going back now
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to some of those testaments and like, okay, I need to like really understand this.
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Right, now you have to study it. You've read it, but now you have to study it.
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Absolutely, yes. And that's, so that's where, you know, I'm at.
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I've read the New Testament multiple times and I just keep finding these little
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nuggets and revelations.
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And yeah, I think it was the book of Matthew. The book of Matthew made it very,
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my spirit was very stirred up because of that eagerness, like that.
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That time is running out kind of like, not like Jesus is going to come tomorrow
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and we're all going to die.
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It's like, you don't know when your last moment here is.
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So we need to be right. We need to be with Jesus. Right. Cause he is the way, the life, the truth.
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So for me, I was like, oh my goodness. Like I am, I'm not living like the word of God or Christ.
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Like I'm not living, And, you know, I'm still, I'm living in sin. I haven't repented.
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I'm, you know, it was just me trying to catch up to everything.
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So that was like my big revelation was, okay, you need to like get serious.
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It's all in, right? You're not half foot in, half foot out with Jesus.
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You can't be. Right. Absolutely.
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And I told myself, why would I not want to be all in if I gave my life to Jesus?
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It wouldn't, if I wanted to go back to my old ways, I know where I'd end up.
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Back miserable depressed probably divorced to
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be honest you know as sad as that is and that's i was
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going to ask how your you said your husband started joining
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you to church after you had been going how has
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you know him diving into christianity in the way that you are kind of changed
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changed him obviously changed your marriage changed the perspective the trajectory
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how you handle each other how you deal with each other you know because christ
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outlines all that christ presents It's the perfect model of what marriage is.
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And so how has that changed, especially coming from a Catholic background,
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which, you know, a lot of people like to say, oh, you know, Catholics are Christians.
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But there's very different between Protestant Christians and Catholics.
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Oh, yeah. There's a very big difference in what they teach, too.
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So it was very, well, I mean, to be honest, like he still goes to church and
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we still, you know, we definitely teach our children Christian, like the Christian way.
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And I have my son reading the Bible and a kid's version.
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So we're definitely practicing that. But he is not fully there yet.
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Like he didn't get baptized yet, but he does, you know, support this.
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Like he's definitely leaning towards this religion or faith.
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You know, he definitely, we talk about Jesus and God. He doesn't read the Bible, though.
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So he is, you know, it's more on his timing. I think everything happened kind
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of probably too fast for him.
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Like six months to go to church and getting baptized is kind of,
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a lot of people would probably be like, that's pretty quick.
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Because some people go to church for years and don't get baptized, you know.
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And so for him, I think he's definitely, it's definitely helped,
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though. So now we have one, you know, one faith, one...
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Like, if I read something in the Bible and, like, this is how God wants it,
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you know, we refer to that instead of what the world would say.
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It's alignment. You can say, now you're aligned. Yep.
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Alignment, for sure. That's what Jesus gives. I love that.
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And so it's interesting when it comes to, you know, especially from you,
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you have a more, like you said, more studious academic background.
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You know how to turn it on, turn it off.
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I mean, I'm not going to say that that's exclusively Asian, but it's just a part of your culture.
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You know, a part of your culture where it's just expected that you guys are
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just, that, I don't want to say, I don't want to say you guys are just expected
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to be smart, but there's a, there's a high emphasis on, on culture here.
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I know here in South Korea, there's like, there's a giant test that every child,
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I don't know if it's every child or just the high schoolers or whatever,
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um, it's a giant test and the whole country shuts down for a day or two and
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observing this big test that is done.
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And I was like, that is so Asian. that is so Korean. Yes.
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It's like the knowledge is more the most important thing. Like knowing everything,
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I guess, is like. Yes. It's like a holiday.
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And it's like everything's shut down just because the kids are doing this test.
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But usually the test dictates, you know, where the children are going to college,
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you know, and things like that.
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There's a high emphasis on getting their children into American colleges.
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And so, you know, they take it very, very seriously.
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One thing with apologetics is a lot of the people that are approached with apologetic
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conversations when it comes to their faith, they have issues reconciling logic and faith.
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How do you use logic and reason to justify a faith that is supposed to just be an emotional appeal?
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But obviously our faith, you know, God doesn't expect us to have blind faith.
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There is logic and reason that can be employed with the use of our faith.
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So do you think that logic and reason contradict true faith in Christ?
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No, I mean, I think obviously when you know the word of God,
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you can like reason, right?
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You can think logically of like, well, is this right or wrong?
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And to me, like before I found Christ, I feel like, yes, logic.
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I always reason with logic and everything because I would ask myself,
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is this good? Like, is this hurting somebody?
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Am I hurting somebody or are they saying doing something that's hurting?
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That's how I would reason it.
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For me and then when I you know when you have faith
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obviously there are things where you
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just don't have an answer to you don't know you just take that leap of faith based
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on good intentions and good out right but
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so and then and then when that you know whenever that blessing whatever
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that happens you're like okay I logically I did all
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the right steps I did I did this and that and that makes sense so
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it's like for me for I guess
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to answer like logic and faith yes if it's I don't know it's a very like very
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deep like very like very deep it's one of those things it's hard to explain
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you know like I just feel like if it's good logically if it makes sense logically like,
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like if right if you know getting married to the right man right like whether
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you're a believer or not you have to ask yourself is he respectful does he speak
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kindly is he you know does he.
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You know respect me like he doesn't flirt with other women he's only focused
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on me is he is he are we on the same page morally and even if you have not the
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same religion but are you morally on the same page, you know,
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you don't believe in staying out till nine, you know, nine in the morning while
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your other spouse is sleeping or, you know, at home, like you have to have these,
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of these like respect, respect, this respect and love like Jesus has for his,
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you know, church, right?
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And, and protection, you know, is he safe? Is he, do you feel comfortable?
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And so that's like, that's an example, I would think. And that,
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but that goes with faith, right because you used your logic okay he's
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a good man he's never cheated on me he's never given me
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a reason to cheat he's smart he wants to go do
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he's ambitious or whatever you're like okay i think this is this is a a very
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good person to marry you know and then you you have to take that faith to move
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forward right because you could still you could still say all that and be like
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yeah no there's got to be better right and not take this the leap of faith and then miss out or,
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Or maybe you could have been, you know, saving yourself from a heartache.
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I think it's one of those things where God, obviously, He puts a limit on our human capacity, right?
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He allows us to use our reason, use our logic.
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But at some point in time, that runs out.
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And there's an aspect of trust that is necessary, but I do, you know,
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it's very important because obviously he tells us to be, you know,
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discerning of people, being able to identify false witnesses,
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false prophets, things like that.
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A level of cognitive and critical thinking that is essential to the Christian
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faith, that employs being on
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guard, being alert, being sober-minded about things going on in the world.
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You know, 1 Peter 3.15 talks about that we should be ready at any moment to,
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you know, provide a defense to why we believe in the things that we believe in, Christian-wise.
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And that's kind of the root apologetic verse that is, you know,
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use it apologetics because the culture
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has lots of things to say about Christianity. What about evolution?
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What about, you know, science? What about, you know, how you know the Bible
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is real? all these things like that when it comes to the historicity,
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the true deity of Christ, all types of things like that.
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And so there is a lot of logic and reason that has to be used.
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It's like apologetics, it's more so that tool, it's like that secondary tool of evangelism, right?
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When you evangelize to people, you're going and you're sharing your testimony
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and you're witnessing to them, but all people's issues with Christianity or
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stumbling blocks, should I say, are from an emotional place.
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I can share my testimony about how someone was on drugs and they came to Christ.
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They had a revelation, came to Christ, and things like that.
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Not everyone will feel the same. Some people will say, oh, that person got lucky.
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People come out of it all the time. Some people just snap into it,
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whatever. They snap out of it.
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Some people's issues with accepting Jesus is more intellectual.
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You know, I can't reconcile the fact of the issue of science with Jesus.
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I kind of have more faith in science because at least science is observable.
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It's something that I can see.
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I can't see Jesus.
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I can't see God. That's where my husband's at right now. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a lot. So it becomes a stumbling block.
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It becomes a barrier to being fully open to the gospel. And so this is why it's so important.
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And again, the youth is leaving the church at rapid pace.
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And it's like, there are adults who have issues with these questions,
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like you say, your husband. So can you imagine, you know, 10-year-old,
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12-year-old, 18-year-old, 19-year-old, and then they go to college and then
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it's a completely different ecosphere.
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So we kind of see why, you know, we have to train our children up in a way that
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we treat them as disciples.
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We treat them as little disciples who are currently unsaved.
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And that's the thing, too, we don't think about.
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Our children are currently unsaved in our home. You may grow up in a Christian
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household, but until they make that self-profession and repent to Jesus, they are reviewed.
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And so how we model Christlikeness and how we educate them about the word is
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very important for their walk with God.
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Well, and it's easy to see how youth is so easy to turn away in our culture
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and our climate because they do have the answers for what they feel about,
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you know, science or anything that's antithetical to God.
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Whereas we have to be make sure on our end, on the Christian end,
00:31:28.166 --> 00:31:31.746
that we're also providing answers. It can't just be have faith.
00:31:32.066 --> 00:31:40.086
Just have faith. Yeah. I 100% believe in modeling that Christ-like life that
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your kids see because you can talk about the Word all day, but if you're not living it,
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you're not going to convince anybody about the Bible. That's why we are called witnesses, right?
00:31:52.406 --> 00:31:57.966
Because we were saved and we follow Him. We follow Jesus. Absolutely.
00:31:58.566 --> 00:32:04.566
I know with a lot of the youth that we work with and even the kids in our Sunday
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school class, the biggest driver of what leads kids to leave is the hypocrisy.
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And it is because it's like, you
00:32:15.426 --> 00:32:18.886
know, as parents, we're not going to have everything figured out, right?
00:32:19.186 --> 00:32:22.686
We're not going to have everything figured out. We're not going to do things the right way.
00:32:22.686 --> 00:32:27.206
We still may be in the process of sanctification where God is dealing with our
00:32:27.206 --> 00:32:33.006
anger or He's dealing with our impatience or He's dealing with our inability
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to reason well with our child.
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And that's that process of purification that we have to go through as Christians
00:32:39.586 --> 00:32:40.646
as we're going through this world.
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But that's the main thing that children cite is that they were told a certain
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standard, but no one around them had that standard. And children are Horrible
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listeners But good imitators,
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Yeah.
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Amen. They're sponges, they call them. They're little sponges.
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Yes, sponges. Absolutely.
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And so it's so important. And I think this is what's missing with a lot of children
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is that it's not that there's an expectation that everyone around me will be
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perfectly Christ-like.
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I think it comes down to those people around them, the adults that are leading
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them to have that accountability and also teach them grace.
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Teach them what grace is by allowing them to, by being vulnerable with your
00:33:29.273 --> 00:33:32.933
children and saying, mommy messed up when I did X, Y, and Z.
00:33:33.053 --> 00:33:36.953
I'm sorry that I did, you know, I yelled when I wasn't supposed to,
00:33:37.073 --> 00:33:39.473
you know, I was with such and such, you know, do you forgive me?
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And you're also allowing them to learn how to extend grace, how to say, I forgive you.
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And that's also a part of the Christ-like journey. But I get that it's different
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and different, like you said, different cultures where it's like your family
00:33:52.993 --> 00:33:57.753
didn't have a, you know, emotional, I'm sorry, you know, come on out.
00:33:58.973 --> 00:34:02.793
I don't think I've ever heard my parents say I'm sorry to any of us.
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I don't even know to each other.
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Right. And so it's like the idea of grace, the idea of extending that to someone
00:34:12.293 --> 00:34:14.533
and being accountable, you know.
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Because we obviously know our parents do wrong, but it's kind of that pride,
00:34:19.053 --> 00:34:21.093
a little bit of pride in our parents' heart that goes, well,
00:34:21.093 --> 00:34:23.213
I shouldn't have to apologize for it, you know, whatever.
00:34:24.113 --> 00:34:28.073
That's just what I did. I'm the mom and, you know, I'm just my children.
00:34:28.293 --> 00:34:32.393
Yes, that kind of power, like authority over this or something.
00:34:32.993 --> 00:34:37.773
Yeah, exactly. So I think that that is the medium in which God can intervene
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while we're going on our walk, while we're going on our walk with Christ,
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and we aren't perfect, but our kids are watching,
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is they're watching us, but also allowing them to be able to model race towards us.
00:34:49.313 --> 00:34:52.733
And they're able to do that when we can be accountable, when we can apologize,
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and when we can say, hey, mommy's on this walk and you're going to be on this walk too.
00:34:58.453 --> 00:35:01.293
And you're going to have your things that you go to God for,
00:35:01.413 --> 00:35:04.573
that you need help with, and that you'll need purification for,
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and all types of stuff like that.
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And so, you know, that's why, you know, God has the answer. He has the answer
00:35:11.333 --> 00:35:13.133
for our marriage. He has the answer for our parenting.
00:35:13.413 --> 00:35:16.273
He has the answer for all of our things in life. We don't have to go,
00:35:16.493 --> 00:35:19.713
I give this part to God, but this part right here is mine, and I'm still trying
00:35:19.713 --> 00:35:22.833
to figure it out. He can have it all. His grace is his power.
00:35:23.333 --> 00:35:26.133
His word is sufficient to handle all of it.
00:35:27.233 --> 00:35:32.593
What advice can you give to young adults and high schoolers who are struggling
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in their faith, and they have more of an issue from an intellectual standpoint?
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You know, the best advice, especially because I felt like I was just a new baby
00:35:43.953 --> 00:35:48.953
believer, you know? and I struggled with everything but the you know the thing
00:35:48.953 --> 00:35:53.213
that always saved me was just like you said surround yourself with,
00:35:53.957 --> 00:35:57.117
faithful Christians and His Word.
00:35:57.357 --> 00:36:03.617
I can't tell, I can't preach it enough is getting His Word is the only way,
00:36:03.617 --> 00:36:07.917
but I know also how hard it is to just open the Bible, right?
00:36:08.197 --> 00:36:11.657
I mean, so, you know, definitely pray.
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Pray that God reveals, you know, how opened your eyes and ears to the gospel,
00:36:17.297 --> 00:36:22.777
to the Word, and, you know, ask for godly friends, ask for godly inspiration.
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I have completely transformed my whole circle.
00:36:27.457 --> 00:36:34.577
You know, I don't follow any secular, anything that could tempt me to get back
00:36:34.577 --> 00:36:36.117
in my old ways on social media.
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Friendships, I don't really, I'm okay with the calling out or we haven't talked
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because, you know, you realize they didn't provide, they didn't,
00:36:47.657 --> 00:36:49.257
you know, bring anything to me, right?
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Anything good at least. i'm not saying go cut all your friends off but definitely
00:36:55.217 --> 00:36:59.977
so you have to it's a lifestyle so you have to like surround yourself with it
00:36:59.977 --> 00:37:03.997
with everything godly jesus christian because.
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And like that's how we said earlier with the with the families right like you
00:37:08.517 --> 00:37:14.897
us modeling if we model of the world and then half the week we're christian
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it's confusing it's you know with their children.
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So it's the same way as an adult, if you're going to have worldly content,
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but you know, you have your verses, you know, your devotional on half the week,
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it's, you're going to be conflicted.
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So definitely, yeah, definitely pray for it.
00:37:34.937 --> 00:37:38.517
And then slowly get, you get in the Bible or be radical like me,
00:37:38.677 --> 00:37:44.757
jump in, you know, don't jump in the Old Testament, jump in the New Testament, but go all in, you know?
00:37:45.677 --> 00:37:52.337
Yeah. Gospels first. Gospels first, especially if you've never read the Bible. And I don't read.
00:37:53.177 --> 00:38:00.057
I just saw a friend, and she was really shocked by my radical change. And she's like, what?
00:38:00.277 --> 00:38:02.577
We would never expect it was you.
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I hated reading. I hate reading with a passion. I haven't picked up a book since I left college, okay?
00:38:11.157 --> 00:38:17.637
I read like an hour a day of the Bible. Like, and the Bible is not easy to understand.
00:38:17.817 --> 00:38:23.717
So like, as someone who despised reading before, like, I hope that alone itself
00:38:23.717 --> 00:38:28.817
just shows like a testimony how interesting, how beautiful it really is.
00:38:28.897 --> 00:38:33.117
Like how you find those little revelations and you find like those,
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I call them nuggets in, you know, that God is speaking to you.
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And that's how, that truly is how God speaks to you.
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You know, when you get in his word and you know his word, you hear him all,
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then you hear him all the time. Or at least more often.
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And so that's the biggest advice is surround yourself with godly things, godly people.
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It's hard. It's hard. You know, especially, you know, especially the younger
00:38:57.808 --> 00:39:01.688
you are, because, you know, a lot of your identity ends up being very,
00:39:02.008 --> 00:39:06.248
you know, how do my peers see me? How do they, you know, view me?
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You know, I'm good. My peers think that I'm good. I'm bad at,
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you know, the things that my peers think are bad, you know, is bad than I'm bad.
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And so it's really hard and making sure that they have their identity in Christ.
00:39:17.968 --> 00:39:21.768
And that's, you know, that's so true. And so before we close,
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I want to talk a little bit about, you know, your small ministry and your part
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of the world and what you try to do.
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It's a ministry. Definitely like that. You know, so many people say that.
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I'm like, I'm not. It's not a ministry, guys. It's not. It is. I'm fashion it.
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It is. Even if it was just in your home to your four kids, it's a ministry.
00:39:40.928 --> 00:39:46.588
Yeah. And so what kind of inspired you to kind of, you're also in the fitness
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space, which is, which just can be very, you know, not godly.
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With yes oh yeah the you know
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certain aspects of immodesty things like that so
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what caused you to you know tell us about that before we close out so that people
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can go and I'll put your handle and everything and you know when I put up your
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when I put up this video and things like that but I want you know people to
00:40:09.408 --> 00:40:12.728
kind of know your heart behind why you started to do what you what you do on
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Instagram yeah no absolutely you know I because I came out of.
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I mean, you'll see it all over my page. I call it deception.
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I straight up came out of deception.
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And I was lied to, I feel, because not by my family, because they are also deceived,
00:40:30.384 --> 00:40:31.564
unfortunately, by the enemy.
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The enemy has put this type of religion in my family's head that they put on me.
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So I know, I know, I feel it in my soul that I feel like so many people in the
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Buddhists who are maybe born in America now, they were raised from a Buddhist family.
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I feel like they have pain and there's
00:40:50.764 --> 00:40:53.704
trauma that they need to talk about
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and they're too scared because or worried or again
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prideful right it's not something we don't talk about emotions so you'll
00:41:01.224 --> 00:41:04.684
never see a i mean not never but it's rare to see a buddhist right come out
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and say no i was you know depressed this this and i just felt that like i feel
00:41:11.484 --> 00:41:17.744
like i need to share my experience and i need others to be okay to know that it's okay like it's.
00:41:18.384 --> 00:41:23.684
You know, to come out of that is a big, it's a huge revelation,
00:41:23.684 --> 00:41:26.344
you know, you're going to reveal the truth.
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So I guess that's what I've always seeked my whole life was the truth.
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So me sharing the truth is very important.
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And I, you know, I always try to back it up with scripture. I always make sure
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that I'm living it as well.
00:41:41.784 --> 00:41:47.364
And me posting is just to kind of call out all the false, like you said earlier,
00:41:47.504 --> 00:41:49.684
discerning the false teachings of false prophets.
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A lot of people don't have that wisdom or discernment to see how they're being deceived.
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And so I kind of try to explain that in scripturality and with my experience
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of feeling like I was deceived from the enemy.
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And then with fitness, because we love it so much as part of us.
00:42:13.084 --> 00:42:16.004
Yes, again, the deception where we
00:42:16.004 --> 00:42:19.584
feel we need to show off our bodies we need to expose
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like I couldn't even believe when I was
00:42:22.284 --> 00:42:25.004
just looking up like like what I think I was looking up
00:42:25.004 --> 00:42:29.964
fitness content that was comical I want to look up funny fitness content I saw
00:42:29.964 --> 00:42:35.364
more half naked girls than I was expecting and it's just it's sad it's honestly
00:42:35.364 --> 00:42:40.384
sad that we have come like I mean I was there at one point where I felt,
00:42:40.504 --> 00:42:42.444
I never did that like posted half naked,
00:42:42.604 --> 00:42:46.844
but I did a competition once and I could see the...
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Just the pride of just, you know, you look good. You look amazing.
00:42:51.457 --> 00:42:56.117
And people are gawking at you and they're complimenting you. And it gets you nowhere.
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That's the one, I hope I, when I preach that, the one thing they get out of
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it, it's not worth anything.
00:43:03.017 --> 00:43:07.597
I could care less if the most beautiful man came up to me.
00:43:07.757 --> 00:43:11.497
Well, I mean, I'm married now, but if I was single, I remember
00:43:11.497 --> 00:43:14.757
care less because he if he's
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not like a god-given man or he if
00:43:17.457 --> 00:43:21.197
he's not ordained by god and he's of the world it's
00:43:21.197 --> 00:43:24.737
gonna crash 100 because you
00:43:24.737 --> 00:43:28.477
know there's the things that he's gonna be involved but it's very it's a very
00:43:28.477 --> 00:43:34.157
vain industry that brings you no peace no peace you're always you're always
00:43:34.157 --> 00:43:39.517
trying to reach perfection and and that's that's why i feel so passionate about
00:43:39.517 --> 00:43:43.077
preaching it is that you can be fit, you can have an amazing,
00:43:43.297 --> 00:43:48.897
healthy body, and you can look physically amazing without having to receive
00:43:48.897 --> 00:43:51.537
validation from the world, from others.
00:43:51.997 --> 00:43:56.977
You know, I use God as my motivation. Like, look what I can do with your body, God.
00:43:57.097 --> 00:44:00.357
You know, I have a six-pack after two months. I mean, I don't,
00:44:00.457 --> 00:44:05.317
but I'm just saying one day, you know, I have a six-pack after two kids because
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of you, God, because you have allowed me and given me the strength to do that, right?
00:44:09.977 --> 00:44:15.677
And that's where we have to change our mindset, renew our mindset of stop thinking
00:44:15.677 --> 00:44:21.897
of what the world says and glorify for God. My body is for God.
00:44:23.237 --> 00:44:28.417
And so that's why I do mix a little bit of fitness in there because it is something
00:44:28.417 --> 00:44:33.437
I am passionate about and coming out of a very, very dark religion.
00:44:34.297 --> 00:44:37.637
I hate to say it you know buddhism is a very dark religion there was no
00:44:38.057 --> 00:44:40.797
no good or peace that comes out of it I see I just saw my
00:44:40.797 --> 00:44:43.957
parents the other day and I'm just their house is like just
00:44:43.957 --> 00:44:46.737
it's just them two now and it's my brother and so there's
00:44:46.737 --> 00:44:49.877
not a lot of people and I just see the chaos even though
00:44:49.877 --> 00:44:54.277
they're not fighting or there was no one there but I could just feel and see
00:44:54.277 --> 00:44:59.537
it there's chaos in this house and that's not how I want my family need to be
00:44:59.537 --> 00:45:05.637
I don't want I don't want any of that chaos in my house I want yeah and and
00:45:05.637 --> 00:45:08.897
love and you know everything that Jesus is and,
00:45:09.757 --> 00:45:13.597
And so I hope that with my little small ministry, you know, that,
00:45:13.917 --> 00:45:19.597
you know, I have been, it's funny you say that I have been praying and trying to get closer with God.
00:45:19.757 --> 00:45:24.637
And I do feel that there's something shifting with that, with my platform.
00:45:24.697 --> 00:45:29.117
So I don't know what he's going to do next with it, but I'm excited because
00:45:29.117 --> 00:45:33.997
I do feel like maybe I'm going to share something more or a little differently.
00:45:34.317 --> 00:45:39.597
So I am starting on YouTube. I feel like I should be on YouTube,
00:45:39.877 --> 00:45:43.637
but I think God's just saying, hold on, just let me work on you for a bit.
00:45:44.837 --> 00:45:50.257
Let's fine-tune everything on Instagram, and then when we get to YouTube,
00:45:50.257 --> 00:45:53.437
you'll be ready for a full-blown situation.
00:45:54.297 --> 00:45:57.337
Absolutely, yes. Maybe that, yes, exactly.
00:45:58.357 --> 00:46:02.857
I'll give you a little baby step on Instagram, and then we'll throw you in the
00:46:02.857 --> 00:46:03.997
big dog one day with YouTube.
00:46:03.997 --> 00:46:08.637
Yeah, but it's so true about, you know, and it's already difficult,
00:46:08.637 --> 00:46:13.957
I feel, in certain women's spaces, and it's even more on the women's fitness spaces.
00:46:14.117 --> 00:46:20.317
But like you said, the vanity, you know, the idolization, the competition amongst
00:46:20.317 --> 00:46:27.297
other women, because now it's how my body or how do I look in comparison to someone else.
00:46:27.297 --> 00:46:31.337
And if there's a perception that, you know, someone else is better in any type
00:46:31.337 --> 00:46:37.017
of way, it just breeds, you know, contempt and divisiveness in competitive, you know, competition.
00:46:37.697 --> 00:46:43.677
And it's so hard. And it's so hard because it's social.
00:46:43.817 --> 00:46:46.517
I have a love-hate relationship with social media because of this,
00:46:46.637 --> 00:46:50.757
because it's like, I know we need to be out there speaking truth because there's
00:46:50.757 --> 00:46:53.497
all this craziness and debaucherousness, right?
00:46:53.497 --> 00:46:58.017
Like, I know we need to be young, but it's just so hard because,
00:46:58.017 --> 00:47:03.917
you know, everything social media, you know, idolizes and focuses on is,
00:47:03.917 --> 00:47:06.197
you know, a little hit to dopamine, a little hit to likes.
00:47:06.997 --> 00:47:09.217
Oh, you're great. You're this. You're beautiful. You're whatever.
00:47:09.637 --> 00:47:12.637
And I feel like, you know, for women more so, it's just...
00:47:13.520 --> 00:47:18.720
It's really, there's an attack on men. There isn't a specific cultural attack on men.
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:25.180
But from the woman's standpoint, I feel like that's our attack.
00:47:25.560 --> 00:47:30.320
The difference between, am I a modest, godly, honorable woman,
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.500
or am I the woman that is outwardly beautiful, who gets the validation.
00:47:35.700 --> 00:47:38.300
Who gets the attention, who gets all of these things.
00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:40.960
And in the fitness space it's so hard you
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.820
know even like my husband and I we like we love going to the gym even here
00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:46.560
in Korea like we work out everything and it's just so
00:47:46.560 --> 00:47:49.340
hard because you know you know my husband like you know he used
00:47:49.340 --> 00:47:52.200
to be a godly man and like someone's walking by half
00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:56.400
naked and like and then I was just like and that's
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.380
where yeah we we get you know we're like oh shoot
00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:02.120
and we have to look like that you know for you
00:48:02.120 --> 00:48:05.180
to gawk and and that's that's why
00:48:05.180 --> 00:48:09.380
why I said earlier you cannot have you
00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:12.260
can't surround yourself with that content right like
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you have to like put very inspiring women especially
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us in front of you godly women who are working
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out but modest or being classy right
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and then the girls at the gym obviously we
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can't focus you know we can't control that but the
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thing my obviously your husband's godly and i'm sure he
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knows and he is because my husband even
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though he's not super super godly he knows respect though you.
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Know if you know that respect and you know that
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it's not that they know that it's not appropriate to obviously
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gawk at other women they usually think of
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them like unfortunately is what my husband will say he's
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it's kind of seems like screaming for attention
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right and that's how my husband sees it so i am blessed and thankful that he's
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not like oh wow look at that half naked girl he's kind of thinking like that's
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a little revealing and too much like you're seeking too much because you know
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if he's looking probably 20 other men are looking right or noticed.
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Never mind the fact that it is already very difficult to find clothes to work
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out and especially if you're lifting weights or doing anything that's comfortable.
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My butt like i know you're uncomfortable i
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know you have to pick the
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wedgie out and adjust and do everything every time you
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get off the bench like that's too much you don't you
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don't catch me with shorts at the gym I I try I
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always try it like those longer biker shorts I'm like I can't
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do this I am picking up my butt every two seconds this is so inappropriate just
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no I'm getting more attention looking at me doing this like no no no no I just
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stick with leggings it's a little bit and it's more modest to me I feel more
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comfortable and yeah it's it's more comfortable but,
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It's okay. The space that you're in is the space that I think God has you in for a reason.
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I love looking at what you post on Instagram, and it's very inspiring.
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And I, you know, especially it was recently that I saw your post about being previously Buddhist.
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And I was like, oh, okay, that's great. That's like perfect.
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You know, let me message her.
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But thank you for everything that you're doing for women, you know,
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for all Christians, and all people who are interested in the faith that are
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coming across your platform. Maybe they are of a different faith.
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Maybe they are of the Buddhist faith and you're leading them to God.
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And so I pray that your ministry continues and that your ministry grows and
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that your household is strengthened and that your marriage is strengthened and
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that God does wondrous things for you and your walk.
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So we're going to close out. I'm going to put Kathy's information in the link
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for this podcast so that you can follow her and see everything that she's doing
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in the name of Jesus for her page.
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Thank you, Kathy, so much. And I'm going to let you know and make sure you can
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get those babies and do what you need to do today.
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Yes. Oh, yes. Welcome up. The day's over.
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Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. No problem.
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And God bless your podcast as well. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much.