OM DENNE EPISODE
When should software lose free speech protections?
This podcast covers software and the First Amendment, tracing the history from Cold War export controls to recent restrictions on advanced AI models.
My goal: the internet's most comprehensive explainer on speech and code, from cryptography to cryptocurrency to AI.
In this episode, you'll hear from leading experts on the legal layer of software and free speech:
- Peter Van Valkenburgh, Executive Director at Coin Center
- Laz Pieper, Director of Research at Coin Center
- Eugene Volokh, First Amendment scholar and Fellow at the Hoover Institution
- Jane Bambauer, Brechner Eminent Scholar at the University of Florida
- Preston Byrne, Managing Partner at Byrne & Storm
- Sam Enzer, partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel and co-chair of CahillNXT
By the end of this episode, I promise you'll be in the top percentile for understanding when code is protected speech, regardless of where you're starting from. (You just might need to listen twice. There's a lot here.)
This episode is presented by Altitude, visit Altitude.xyz/law to learn more about their financial operating system.
Timestamps:
0:00 Anthropic AI export controls
6:17 Introduction
9:39 Reading the First Amendment
10:38 Eugene Volokh on his First Amendment philosophy
13:42 The machine gun sculpture: speech vs function
19:24 Peter Van Valkenburgh interview
25:50 The Cold War, munitions list and Phil Zimmermann
29:57 The Bernstein case
34:53 Strict scrutiny
38:48 The Corley case
49:17 Sorrell, Stevens and where the Supreme Court is heading
53:25 Preston Byrne on the Supreme Court's AI case
57:23 Defense Distributed and 3D-printing
1:04:00 Where publication ends and professional conduct begins
1:15:20 Lowe v. SEC and the agency line
1:45:45 Compelled speech, the IRS broker rule and tobacco labels
2:04:17 Laz Pieper on Sorrell and third-party liability
2:11:29 Preston Byrne on the GRANITE Act and foreign censorship
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