Speaker 0: Hello, and welcome to the Hearts Unleashed podcast where we are turning dreamers into doers. I am so excited to have you here. I am excited to introduce to you a popular motivator, mentor, inspirational speaker, Rabbi Daniel Cohen. His unique blend of authenticity, humor, wisdom, and insight helps anyone navigate contemporary society and lead a life of legacy. Y'all know we love to talk about legacy here.
He is also the founder of the Legacy Academy, an intensive training program for teaching anyone the steps for intentionally creating legacy and purpose in their lives. Can you tell why we decided to have him on? For over thirty years, Rabbi Cohen has served as a senior rabbi at congregation Agudath Shalom in Stamford, Connecticut, the largest modern Orthodox synagogue in New England. I would love to hear some more stories about that too. He has been a lifelong student and teacher of leadership, working with CEOs and business leaders, hall of fame athletes like basketball legend David Robinson, and national politicians like vice president Joe Lieberman.
Rabbi Cohn is also the author of The Secret of the Light and What Will They Say About You When You Are Gone? Creating a Life of Legacy. Rabbi Daniel Cohen, I am so glad to have you. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 1: My pleasure. It's an honor to be here.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I was reading over your bio, checking out your websites. There's a few things that you shared, but thirty years serving, can you tell us how you got into this and where you are and some of this journey that led you right here?
Speaker 1: Well, yes. A lot in a short amount of time.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, when I woke up when I was born, I just said I wanna be a rabbi. Just kidding. No. I I would say it was certainly something that evolved.
Look. I think that, you know, a lot of it has to do really with, my own background, my parents. My mom passed away, which I'll talk about in a minute, many, many years ago. But they both are individuals who very much appreciated, the gift of life. My mom, whenever you ask her how she was doing, she would say, thank god fantastic.
No matter how crazy it was, she appreciated that every day was and this is a mystical idea. Every day is like an unpolished diamond, infinite potential. And then we go to sleep at night, we are held accountable for how much light we radiated from that diamond. Very upbeat, very optimistic. And my father, he shouldn't be well, person who always really lived a life of sense of purpose, of mission, of not wasting time, of service.
And, you know, I grew up in that environment. Then my mom passed away suddenly from a brain aneurysm when she was 44 years old. I lived in Atlanta. I'm the oldest of six kids, and I learned very quickly in those moments, which are so tragic, that life can change in an instant. We can't take anything for granted.
And I realized then that, although it wasn't like I automatically, I would say, you know, transform my life then, but I really began to be more understanding of just the rhythms of life, of being present with people, of really taking my own, I would say, journey of grief and using that really to help other people as well. And that's very much a part of it. And then when I got to the same age as my mom, which was 44, which I always knew was young, I began to ask myself the question, am I doing the most that I can with the life that God has given me? Yeah. And that really led me on a journey.
You know, the whole time I was in the rabbit, but I would say I never did a lot of writing and deep thinking. But then I said, how can I help people and myself really to start, not live life from crisis to crisis? You know, there's no atheist in a foxhole. When anybody has a confrontation with their mortality, they get serious. But question is not just in that moment.
And I started actually to go through about a 100 eulogies that I wrote to try to extract what creates a successful life, a meaningful life. And then a friend of mine said, what you're really trying to do is helping people reverse engineer their life. So that led me to write this book, which the premise is you're at a funeral, and as you walk out of the funeral, you have a moment when you say to yourself, I hope they speak about me the way they spoke about that individual. You're motivated for about fifteen minutes to focus on what's important, then you go back to life as usual. So then I crafted this really pathway where I help people identify what is the best version of yourself, the life you wanna lead, and then I take them on a journey of seven principles to reverse engineer your life so you'd lead the life now for how you wanna be remembered.
And I have grown so much by listening to people, less by what I say, but hearing what's stirring in people's souls and helping them identify, which helps me, that life isn't made up of days or hours. Life is made up of minutes and of memories, and that's really what makes life eternal and meaningful. And this threw a lot out at you, by the way, I have to say.
Speaker 0: I was gonna say, you dropped one nugget of gold after the other. I don't know which direction to take it. Well, I do. I have some some thought streams from what you shared and just first off, thank you. Like, there's so much packed into what you said.
And one of the things that stood out the loudest of what not only has moved you and motivated you, but also how you've turned that pain into purpose and and and really now using it how you serve and what you serve with. And I just wanna highlight the word death and the way that death can, for many, be the reminder to live. Right? A a a near death experience of our own or a close death of our very inner circle can really alter the brain chemistry, alter us on a cellular level. Like, really, what what am I doing here?
And actually consider and ask those really important questions. And it is not a it's not new to our community to be writing our own eulogy. So to really contemplate what legacy am I leaving? Yep. Who am I being?
How am I being? What how do I wanna be? All and asking. So the the reflection, the contemplation, I think, is so valuable and important. And I and I appreciate that because I actually wanted to circle back to what you shared that your mom said, thank god fantastic.
I grew up in the Midwest, and I don't know if it's specifically the Midwest, but it's very relatable to when someone does ask you how you're doing. It's like, meh. Same Yeah. That's fine. Can't complain.
Right? Like
Speaker 1: Right. That is a 100% right. That's like
Speaker 0: Yeah. And it's not. I remember that the the better my life continued to get, that wasn't my report. However, I also watched people people's eyes glaze over when I actually said, I am doing the best I've ever been, and here's why. And I'm writing a book, and I'll do this, and I'm watching a podcast.
And it's like, woah. Wait a minute. I can't relate to that. I don't know how to respond to that. So what stands out to me because the the community here at Hearts Unleashed is the kind of community you like to talk to of people who are interested in being the deliberate creators of their lives
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Living intentionally, leaving a legacy, and we wanna be able to say, thank god I'm fantastic. I'm doing this. I'm up to that. Life is good. I'm good.
What would you say to someone who's breaking the mold from, complain, to I'm great and I wanna talk about it?
Speaker 1: Well, so I think that, you know, it definitely involves, like, a mindset and a pivot. I was talking to somebody who's actually part of my, a graduate actually, the Legacy Academy, and we're now formulating kind of the next chapter of how do you move from that curriculum to formation and transformation. And I asked her, like, what some of the takeaways were. And she said, you know, it was one thing that among many, but one thing she said makes a real big difference in her life that she now has a practice. That when she is first opening up her eyes in the morning and she wakes up, she doesn't check her phone first.
She says the following, it's a prayer, actually, but it's not just a prayer that Juice can say, which is two things. Thank you, god, that I'm alive, and thank you, god, for believing in me.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And your morning mindset shapes everything. So where your mind is is really where your soul is. And sometimes people think about, well, I'm not feeling it doesn't start. It starts the words have the power to create new reality. It says the very beginning of Genesis that the world was born in darkness and chaos and confusion, and the Lord said, let there be light.
Mhmm. And there was light. And our role, regardless of our faith, is to emulate God. And when I wake up in the morning, before I think about what I don't have Mhmm. And the words out of my mouth are light filled and hope filled and grateful, that's where everything begins.
But that actually then will move you from being a space and, like, nothing's wrong to saying, wow. Today's an extraordinary day. Today is a day, and and I'll give you a beautiful other mystical idea. It was a wish that I got from somebody, my birthday. There's a a mystic that says, the day you're born is the day when god believes the world needs you.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. I really like that.
Speaker 1: Wonderful idea of the Baal Shemto, who's another mystic who says, every day see yourself as if you're reborn. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: So when
Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning and I recognize that god has given me this big hug and saying, there is something in the world for you to contribute. So you can be a ambassador for my light unlike any other soul in the universe. That, like, sets me on fire. That sets me with intention. Enables me to say, wow.
Today is going to be an amazing day, and I'll just gonna do the best that I can to manifest, to realize that divine potential.
Speaker 0: I really love and appreciate that because I'm sure you are very familiar with how many people simply either wake up and pick up their phone or they wake up in anxiety and overwhelmed thinking of the day's burdens or tasks or responsibilities or depending on they're waking up to an alarm or to kids or to pets or, you know, whatever. And really breaking up the monotony of day to day life with gratitude. Like, I am here for a reason, and I'm a go find out why because we don't have to actually know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: That's the thing I really love about that too. And it's reminding me of before we hit record and we were hanging out a little bit, you were talking about making the ordinary extraordinary. And this is, I think, just a perfect moment because brushing your teeth like, to me, running water is, like, the most extraordinary thing. I'm grateful every single day. It just makes me laugh.
I most of my listeners know I live in a van, so running water is quite a luxury. And so what would you have to say about making the ordinary surety? And, like, especially what have you seen in working with people and helping them make that shift from, in their head, chaotic, overwhelmed, burdened, whatever it might be, to really finding the miracle of life in every single moment of breath.
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's interesting. I'll give you a story that I I reflect on a lot. It was at the height of COVID in the summer of two thousand twenty. There was a 94 year old Italian man who was on a ventilator for a number of months. Mhmm.
Thank god he survived, but on his way out of the hospital, he was given the bill for a ventilator for one day.
Speaker 0: He took a
Speaker 1: look at the bill, and he started to cry. And the doctor said to him, are you crying because you can't pay the bill? He said, I can pay all the money that I need, but I've been breathing god's air for free for ninety four years. And now I know how much one day's breath is worth.
Speaker 0: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So the simple thought of just slowing down, and it's really a meditative practice of recognizing that it says the very beginning of Genesis that God breathes into us the breath of life. And King David says in Psalm one fifty at the very end that with all of my breath, I give thanks to you. And, again, I go back to mystical ideas that, basically, the soul and body want to disconnect every moment. The soul is spiritual. The body is physical.
The only reason that I'm able to talk to you right now is because God every second is saying I want your soul to stay with your body. So when I take that breath and I realize that God believes that there is something new within me that I can bring out, that enables me to slow down and that enables me to say, but how then can I elevate it? So here's where it comes to another practice. You know, I call it like, it's like three minutes a day, and everybody has three minutes. Nobody's too busy to find three minutes.
So carbon to your calendar three minutes. The first minute is a minute of prayer. I do believe that we have to draw on the fact that God is the source of all life and that, you know, recognize that we are literally walking with God, and we ask for strength. And for me, the one of the most inspiring verses is the end of Isaiah chapter 40 where it says those who have faith in God, their strength will be renewed. They will grow wings like eagles.
They will run and not walk. I'm not carrying it. Nobody is carrying the burden alone, but we have God with us. That's minute number one. Minute number two is start a gratitude journal.
But here's the key. Don't repeat yourself. Every day for that minute, write something new. And then I learned this from my daughter. She was up to almost 800.
She said before she goes to sleep at night, she reads 50 of them. How could she not be grateful? Yes. And then the third minute is make somebody's day. And what I recognize and think about is take on a Sunday, fifteen minutes.
Write down names of people who either you've lost touch with. Maybe you had a broken relationship with. Maybe they need a little bit of strength. Maybe it's a teacher who you wanna thank and you forgot about them. Have that list.
And then in that one minute, send them a text, send them a note. So no matter how the day goes, you have to look back and say, yeah. But those three minutes, that was my goal. That's where I really made something in. And, again, these things, if you do it, it's actually interesting.
This is something else I've thought about. Judaism has an idea that you can change somebody's life in three and a half seconds. There's actually a term in Judaism that quantifies that you have about a thousand units of three and a half seconds within an hour. Okay? Now why do we say that?
Because it goes back to an amazing story in the bible with Joseph when he's in the dungeon after he's accused of raping his boss' wife. She tries to seduce him. He's sitting there lamenting his own darkness. He's in the dungeon of Egypt. And what he does is he doesn't lament the darkness.
He increases the light. And he sees the face of God. There's a bubbler and a baker, and he says, then why do you guys look so sad? It takes three and a half seconds to say hello to somebody, to connect with somebody. Once he does that, they see his humanity, and then the whole trajectory of his life changes.
How many times, by the way, and I think about this in my own life, I'm thank god I'm married for thirty six years to my wife. We have six kids, daughters. We have five son in laws. We have, thank God, 14 grandchildren. It's crazy.
It's a real blessing. Amazing. How did it start? My sister took a few seconds to introduce me to my wife. We have a lot of inclinations of doing good things, but how often do we take those and we do something with them?
And so I ask people I say, what's gonna be your three and a half seconds today? Find three and a half seconds for thirty days consistently in your life, and then it could become a habit, and then your mindset changes. And then what happens, and I'll, I'll stop, is that if you think about it, what is it? Three and a half seconds, 30 times. How much is that?
Speaker 0: I'm a author, not a mathematician.
Speaker 1: No. No. That's that's about two minutes. Okay. There you go.
I tell people, and they don't believe me. I say, for two minutes a month, you can transform your life and those around you.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that's three and a half seconds a day. That's the way our lives begin to change, and that's the way the
Speaker 0: world changes with us. Amen. I couldn't agree more. And something I'm so present to when you were sharing that is prayer is highly spiritual. Gratitude is the bridge between spirituality and earthliness.
And and making someone's day, making an impact is that earthiness is that true tether to being here. Right? Because full transparency, there's so many people who are struggling with there's us being God giving the gift of waking us up and those of us who battle with being here and staying here, and and I'm very present to that. And and making someone's day, sending a letter, greeting anybody, inquiring with somebody, like, realizing like, experiencing yourself, making a positive difference with people, I think, gives us that evidence we need about why we're here and a sense of purpose and impact. So I really loved that piece, and I just wanted to go back to one thing about I too it is a daily going to bed and waking up.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh. I'm back.
We're so back, baby. Like, let's you know? And just a moment of thank you, a moment of feeling the sheets for just another second. But I've always thought the other side of the same coin is if I'm not dead yet, I'm not done yet. That's it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And when I leave, don't grieve because I I have fulfilled when I whatever I came to do, whether I realize it or not or whether we realize it or not. But, what fun it can be to know, okay. I'm here. Let's find out about it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's
Speaker 0: like a scavenger hunt, like an Easter egg hunt. So fantastic. And, we're not wrapping up just yet, but I would really love to ask two questions that I ask all my guests. One being, what have you had to give up in order to live this life you're currently living?
Speaker 1: It's a great question, by the way, because I do think that look. Time is the greatest gift, and there are definitely been choices. I mean, I know that, like, when I give up I mean, I would say I have a good time. I enjoy life a lot. But there are choices that you need to make.
Like, okay. Maybe I didn't, you know, watch that three hour football game or I didn't I don't know what it is. I mean, you know, I try to exercise. I spend time with people, but you do make choices. And I think this is important, by the way.
Like, identify five minutes in the morning to check the news and five minutes at night. Does it mean that I am maybe missing some breaking news in the middle of the day or whatever? Yeah. But that's okay because I realized, like, things aren't gonna change. You know, if somebody really needs to reach me, they will.
So, you know, you give up certain things. You know, maybe you give up, by the way, like, certain things which could be fun, but you realize that at the end of the day, again, we all need these relaxing moments, but you have to make choices with your time. There's only a limited amount of time. And, you know, I ask people and I think about I look at my schedule in as a week, not as a day. Sometimes people feel like they're productive just because every morning I was just submitting last night.
They said, every night I make my to do list. I said, that's not an effective way of living. Say, what do you want to have accomplished? What's your highest priority this week? Let's say the person in this case, you know, he's looking for a job, this person.
So he says sometimes he could spend eight hours in front of the computer searching for a job, and he's exhausted. I said, well, you know there are other things that are important in your life. There's volunteering. There's your spiritual health. There's your mental health.
There's exercise. So say that I'm going to search for a job fifteen hours this week. That's a lot. And then allocate, plug in. You have a hundred sixty eight hours a week.
Plug it in. And then you make a choice. In five hours, it would be for my spiritual growth. In three hours. So you're what I call sacred scheduling.
You're not allowing your calendar to control you. You control your calendar. So that to me is something that I've, you know, had to sometimes give up, but the rewards are a lot you know? Look. I mean, I think, you know, when you're on I'm in college.
One other thing, there's always a lot of pressure. We're like, this guy is going to this big law firm or that law firm. And, you know, you make certain financial sacrifices because you make decisions that really reflect your calling. You you're not doing things simply for the money, and thank god, you know, I do well. Okay?
But at at the end of the day, you realize what's important so you make certain sacrifices. Maybe you don't go on as many vacations because you need to, you know, invest in other things. So, again, you know, everybody has to make choices. But I'll say the last thing is that wherever you are in life, don't abdicate most divine gift that we have is our ability to choose. Mhmm.
Most people are and many people are they're like a leaf floating, and things are just they're being controlled by the environment and just going. But we are also endowed with not only a breath, but the power to choose to choose how we live, what we do, where we choose to invest our time and our priorities, to chase eternal pleasures, not counterfeit pleasures. But those are choices. So make those choices mindfully and soulfully.
Speaker 0: Love it. I love it so much. Whether it was pleasures and sacrifice you mentioned or, like, time I loved what you said, sacred scheduling, time budgeting, time blocking, like, really auditing the way you spend your time, the way you spend your energy. What landed for me was, like, eliminating distractions or actively choosing choosing back to the choice, choosing alignment and purpose and your vision, that the vision that's been laid on your heart or the direction you feel called to eliminate the distractions or the things that would take you off the path because my goodness, aren't they tempting?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Well and one other question I have for you is what at this age, at this stage, does it look like for Rabbi Cohen's heart to be unleashed?
Speaker 1: Woah. Okay. Well, I guess the name of the podcast is unleashed. So I I gotta talk about unleashing. I love that word though, by the way, also unleashed, because it implies just constant flowing.
Like, there's a divine energy that's flowing within you. You know, somebody said many years ago, don't see yourself as a dam. See yourself as a river. We're not here just to accumulate, but we're just going in the flow. And another friend of mine says, you know, I'm living in the slipstream of holiness.
Like, you're just, like, seizing moments, you know. And that to me is really, what life is all about. Like, it's not about the destination. I know people say this a lot, but it's about the journey of every moment. In every moment, you can construct a temple to God.
Every moment, you can let God into your life. I'll give you a quick example. I was, you know, in in Jewish tradition, a a baby boy has what's called a Brit Mila, like a circumcision. You know, this idea is part of the covenant. So there's a family that's not connected, and they told me about that covenant yesterday.
And I knew I couldn't make it there for the actual, event, but I wanted to come at the end. It was called for 11:30, and I get there at twelve. And I'm thinking I'll be there just to wish them a mazel tov of congratulations. So I walk in at 12:00. They haven't even started.
Now now I have to be someplace else at 12:15. I had planned to be there for five minutes just to wish them. And I I I told the rabbi who was there, I said, tell him a mazel tov, congratulations. I gotta go. Well, I'm walking out the door, and the rabbi who's there chasing says, you know, they're about to start the the the deal.
You can do the blessings and you can name the child. And I said, okay. I guess God really wants me to, as you say, unleash that light in my moment. I mean, think about it. Like, baby is named once in their life.
It's a covenant. And, like, I said to myself, okay. I'll be five minutes late for the other one. Because in some cosmic reality, god wanted me to be the one to help give this child the DNA of their soul by giving them that name. And I did.
And the mother texted me afterwards, and she she was so happy that I was there. And that to me is, she was so happy that I was there. And that to me is like an unleashed life. Like, I don't feel limited by what my plans are. Like, if someone comes into my life, I just have to say, okay.
That's what God wanted. God creates the circumstances, but we have to unleash the light in all those
Speaker 0: moments. It doesn't happen too often in interviews, but I am holding back tears. Luckily like, we're on video here, but Yeah. In in audio, they'll you know, just wanted to explain that your story reminds me of every person every day so distracted, so hurried. We are missing it.
It's now. Like, it's a divine assignment you got, but you could have also declined it and said, nah. I gotta get out of here. Someone else did great, but you listened. You were present and aware enough to get the tap on the shoulder.
I always warn clients, don't wait for the roundhouse kick. It hurts. Like Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point.
Into our alignment. Right? And so I'm just I'm so moved by the the sharing of being able to your inner ear, your inner eye, and your your physical physical eye, your heart to know, wait a minute. This isn't an accident. This nothing is so urgent that I can't answer my call.
And I I'm so grateful because what I know is that people feel in a choke hold, in a headlock, just completely dictated by by a boss or somethings like, some outward entity that's gonna tell them you can't be living in your purpose. You can't answer. You can't listen to the nudge or the intuition. And I hope for everyone. I hope for every single person that they can have the attunement to really accept the invitations in those moments.
So I'm so grateful for your example and your share.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. This is what happened and, you know, that word of an invitation, like, God gives us the invitation. We just have to open up the letter.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And accept it because we can still
Speaker 1: And accept it.
Speaker 0: Superburden and pretended to accept. I'm loving this, and I would love to ask, one, so I don't forget, like, where can people find you? How can people be connected with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks. So the easiest way is on my website, www.rabbidanielcohen.com. You can look me up, and there's a lot of videos there. There's a link there to the Legacy Academy.
That's the website, livelegacyacademy.com. But feel free to send me an email, which you can do, and we can go from there. Happy to set up a, you know, a connection, a spiritual conversation with anybody.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's fantastic. And we will certainly have your, website and your email in the show notes so people will be able to find that easily. I wanted to, before we wrap up, ask you to sort of share your books each of your books. Give us a little insight into each one, if you will.
Speaker 1: Sure. So I have two main books that are on I'm writing another couple now, but the one book is called that we spoke about, What Will They Say About You When You're Gone? That's kind of the the the signature book that I wrote. Creating a Life of Legacy, very close with senator Joseph Lieberman of Blessed Memory who wrote the forward for that book, and that's related to Legacy Academy and Reverse Engineering Your Life. Then I wrote a fiction book called The Secret of the Light, which is a little bit from my own personal experience, which is about a young boy who young man who has the sudden loss of his mom, and he goes into a a deep funk.
And while he is meandering around Times Square, he discovers a street sweeper, named Elijah, who's a hidden mystic, who helps him understand that the light is still within him and he can share his mother's light. So it's a a parable around finding hope and faith after loss.
Speaker 0: I really love that. You shared in the very beginning, you said that I lost my mom at 20 and I'll get to that. And I don't know that we did get to that. Is there anything you'd love to share about your mom?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel she's present with me right now. She always is. And my father actually, while we were on the phone, my father was trying to call me, and I just I tell him I'll call him back. My dad's living in Israel now, so he was calling me. So my parents are definitely very much living in me and and through me.
And, you know, my mom, like, she continues to, inspire me. She's a person who very much, you know, is just about they said about my mom, I guess I'll conclude with this, she was a stranger to no one. It's a great way to lead life. Like, say hi to anybody and made them feel welcome and help them recognize that, you know, they matter, that God loves them. So this is good.
God should bless you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Amen. All of us. And and to our listeners, oh my goodness. You guys, I hope that this was everything you needed.
I hope you heard that one maybe that one sentence or that one point made. Although, Rabbi, like I said, just dropping gems of wisdom all over this conversation. So thank you.
Speaker 1: My pleasure.
Speaker 0: Is there any parting words you'd love to share with our listeners today?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look. There's nobody like you in the universe. You know, when you wake up, know that God loves you, God believes in you, and, you can change the world and change yourself in a matter of just three point five seconds. Just make a difference in one person's life.
Your life will be uplifted, and slowly the world will see a lot more light in everybody.
Speaker 0: Amen. I couldn't agree more. Be the light. Be the
Speaker 1: change. The light. That's it.
Speaker 0: And it's an inside job. Like, it's actually a relief. What a relief. I just get to work with me. And it will just ripple effect.
So thank you. Your ripple, your light is so bright and so wide and so far, and thank you for bringing that light to the Hearts Unleashed podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. God bless you.
Speaker 0: Listeners, thank you. Be sure to share this with someone who needs a little bit of light today, and I hope this light really made your day brighter. Remember to go to bed and wake up saying thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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He is also the founder of the Legacy Academy, an intensive training program for teaching anyone the steps for intentionally creating legacy and purpose in their lives. Can you tell why we decided to have him on? For over thirty years, Rabbi Cohen has served as a senior rabbi at congregation Agudath Shalom in Stamford, Connecticut, the largest modern Orthodox synagogue in New England. I would love to hear some more stories about that too. He has been a lifelong student and teacher of leadership, working with CEOs and business leaders, hall of fame athletes like basketball legend David Robinson, and national politicians like vice president Joe Lieberman.
Rabbi Cohn is also the author of The Secret of the Light and What Will They Say About You When You Are Gone? Creating a Life of Legacy. Rabbi Daniel Cohen, I am so glad to have you. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 1: My pleasure. It's an honor to be here.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I was reading over your bio, checking out your websites. There's a few things that you shared, but thirty years serving, can you tell us how you got into this and where you are and some of this journey that led you right here?
Speaker 1: Well, yes. A lot in a short amount of time.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, when I woke up when I was born, I just said I wanna be a rabbi. Just kidding. No. I I would say it was certainly something that evolved.
Look. I think that, you know, a lot of it has to do really with, my own background, my parents. My mom passed away, which I'll talk about in a minute, many, many years ago. But they both are individuals who very much appreciated, the gift of life. My mom, whenever you ask her how she was doing, she would say, thank god fantastic.
No matter how crazy it was, she appreciated that every day was and this is a mystical idea. Every day is like an unpolished diamond, infinite potential. And then we go to sleep at night, we are held accountable for how much light we radiated from that diamond. Very upbeat, very optimistic. And my father, he shouldn't be well, person who always really lived a life of sense of purpose, of mission, of not wasting time, of service.
And, you know, I grew up in that environment. Then my mom passed away suddenly from a brain aneurysm when she was 44 years old. I lived in Atlanta. I'm the oldest of six kids, and I learned very quickly in those moments, which are so tragic, that life can change in an instant. We can't take anything for granted.
And I realized then that, although it wasn't like I automatically, I would say, you know, transform my life then, but I really began to be more understanding of just the rhythms of life, of being present with people, of really taking my own, I would say, journey of grief and using that really to help other people as well. And that's very much a part of it. And then when I got to the same age as my mom, which was 44, which I always knew was young, I began to ask myself the question, am I doing the most that I can with the life that God has given me? Yeah. And that really led me on a journey.
You know, the whole time I was in the rabbit, but I would say I never did a lot of writing and deep thinking. But then I said, how can I help people and myself really to start, not live life from crisis to crisis? You know, there's no atheist in a foxhole. When anybody has a confrontation with their mortality, they get serious. But question is not just in that moment.
And I started actually to go through about a 100 eulogies that I wrote to try to extract what creates a successful life, a meaningful life. And then a friend of mine said, what you're really trying to do is helping people reverse engineer their life. So that led me to write this book, which the premise is you're at a funeral, and as you walk out of the funeral, you have a moment when you say to yourself, I hope they speak about me the way they spoke about that individual. You're motivated for about fifteen minutes to focus on what's important, then you go back to life as usual. So then I crafted this really pathway where I help people identify what is the best version of yourself, the life you wanna lead, and then I take them on a journey of seven principles to reverse engineer your life so you'd lead the life now for how you wanna be remembered.
And I have grown so much by listening to people, less by what I say, but hearing what's stirring in people's souls and helping them identify, which helps me, that life isn't made up of days or hours. Life is made up of minutes and of memories, and that's really what makes life eternal and meaningful. And this threw a lot out at you, by the way, I have to say.
Speaker 0: I was gonna say, you dropped one nugget of gold after the other. I don't know which direction to take it. Well, I do. I have some some thought streams from what you shared and just first off, thank you. Like, there's so much packed into what you said.
And one of the things that stood out the loudest of what not only has moved you and motivated you, but also how you've turned that pain into purpose and and and really now using it how you serve and what you serve with. And I just wanna highlight the word death and the way that death can, for many, be the reminder to live. Right? A a a near death experience of our own or a close death of our very inner circle can really alter the brain chemistry, alter us on a cellular level. Like, really, what what am I doing here?
And actually consider and ask those really important questions. And it is not a it's not new to our community to be writing our own eulogy. So to really contemplate what legacy am I leaving? Yep. Who am I being?
How am I being? What how do I wanna be? All and asking. So the the reflection, the contemplation, I think, is so valuable and important. And I and I appreciate that because I actually wanted to circle back to what you shared that your mom said, thank god fantastic.
I grew up in the Midwest, and I don't know if it's specifically the Midwest, but it's very relatable to when someone does ask you how you're doing. It's like, meh. Same Yeah. That's fine. Can't complain.
Right? Like
Speaker 1: Right. That is a 100% right. That's like
Speaker 0: Yeah. And it's not. I remember that the the better my life continued to get, that wasn't my report. However, I also watched people people's eyes glaze over when I actually said, I am doing the best I've ever been, and here's why. And I'm writing a book, and I'll do this, and I'm watching a podcast.
And it's like, woah. Wait a minute. I can't relate to that. I don't know how to respond to that. So what stands out to me because the the community here at Hearts Unleashed is the kind of community you like to talk to of people who are interested in being the deliberate creators of their lives
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Living intentionally, leaving a legacy, and we wanna be able to say, thank god I'm fantastic. I'm doing this. I'm up to that. Life is good. I'm good.
What would you say to someone who's breaking the mold from, complain, to I'm great and I wanna talk about it?
Speaker 1: Well, so I think that, you know, it definitely involves, like, a mindset and a pivot. I was talking to somebody who's actually part of my, a graduate actually, the Legacy Academy, and we're now formulating kind of the next chapter of how do you move from that curriculum to formation and transformation. And I asked her, like, what some of the takeaways were. And she said, you know, it was one thing that among many, but one thing she said makes a real big difference in her life that she now has a practice. That when she is first opening up her eyes in the morning and she wakes up, she doesn't check her phone first.
She says the following, it's a prayer, actually, but it's not just a prayer that Juice can say, which is two things. Thank you, god, that I'm alive, and thank you, god, for believing in me.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And your morning mindset shapes everything. So where your mind is is really where your soul is. And sometimes people think about, well, I'm not feeling it doesn't start. It starts the words have the power to create new reality. It says the very beginning of Genesis that the world was born in darkness and chaos and confusion, and the Lord said, let there be light.
Mhmm. And there was light. And our role, regardless of our faith, is to emulate God. And when I wake up in the morning, before I think about what I don't have Mhmm. And the words out of my mouth are light filled and hope filled and grateful, that's where everything begins.
But that actually then will move you from being a space and, like, nothing's wrong to saying, wow. Today's an extraordinary day. Today is a day, and and I'll give you a beautiful other mystical idea. It was a wish that I got from somebody, my birthday. There's a a mystic that says, the day you're born is the day when god believes the world needs you.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. I really like that.
Speaker 1: Wonderful idea of the Baal Shemto, who's another mystic who says, every day see yourself as if you're reborn. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: So when
Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning and I recognize that god has given me this big hug and saying, there is something in the world for you to contribute. So you can be a ambassador for my light unlike any other soul in the universe. That, like, sets me on fire. That sets me with intention. Enables me to say, wow.
Today is going to be an amazing day, and I'll just gonna do the best that I can to manifest, to realize that divine potential.
Speaker 0: I really love and appreciate that because I'm sure you are very familiar with how many people simply either wake up and pick up their phone or they wake up in anxiety and overwhelmed thinking of the day's burdens or tasks or responsibilities or depending on they're waking up to an alarm or to kids or to pets or, you know, whatever. And really breaking up the monotony of day to day life with gratitude. Like, I am here for a reason, and I'm a go find out why because we don't have to actually know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: That's the thing I really love about that too. And it's reminding me of before we hit record and we were hanging out a little bit, you were talking about making the ordinary extraordinary. And this is, I think, just a perfect moment because brushing your teeth like, to me, running water is, like, the most extraordinary thing. I'm grateful every single day. It just makes me laugh.
I most of my listeners know I live in a van, so running water is quite a luxury. And so what would you have to say about making the ordinary surety? And, like, especially what have you seen in working with people and helping them make that shift from, in their head, chaotic, overwhelmed, burdened, whatever it might be, to really finding the miracle of life in every single moment of breath.
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's interesting. I'll give you a story that I I reflect on a lot. It was at the height of COVID in the summer of two thousand twenty. There was a 94 year old Italian man who was on a ventilator for a number of months. Mhmm.
Thank god he survived, but on his way out of the hospital, he was given the bill for a ventilator for one day.
Speaker 0: He took a
Speaker 1: look at the bill, and he started to cry. And the doctor said to him, are you crying because you can't pay the bill? He said, I can pay all the money that I need, but I've been breathing god's air for free for ninety four years. And now I know how much one day's breath is worth.
Speaker 0: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So the simple thought of just slowing down, and it's really a meditative practice of recognizing that it says the very beginning of Genesis that God breathes into us the breath of life. And King David says in Psalm one fifty at the very end that with all of my breath, I give thanks to you. And, again, I go back to mystical ideas that, basically, the soul and body want to disconnect every moment. The soul is spiritual. The body is physical.
The only reason that I'm able to talk to you right now is because God every second is saying I want your soul to stay with your body. So when I take that breath and I realize that God believes that there is something new within me that I can bring out, that enables me to slow down and that enables me to say, but how then can I elevate it? So here's where it comes to another practice. You know, I call it like, it's like three minutes a day, and everybody has three minutes. Nobody's too busy to find three minutes.
So carbon to your calendar three minutes. The first minute is a minute of prayer. I do believe that we have to draw on the fact that God is the source of all life and that, you know, recognize that we are literally walking with God, and we ask for strength. And for me, the one of the most inspiring verses is the end of Isaiah chapter 40 where it says those who have faith in God, their strength will be renewed. They will grow wings like eagles.
They will run and not walk. I'm not carrying it. Nobody is carrying the burden alone, but we have God with us. That's minute number one. Minute number two is start a gratitude journal.
But here's the key. Don't repeat yourself. Every day for that minute, write something new. And then I learned this from my daughter. She was up to almost 800.
She said before she goes to sleep at night, she reads 50 of them. How could she not be grateful? Yes. And then the third minute is make somebody's day. And what I recognize and think about is take on a Sunday, fifteen minutes.
Write down names of people who either you've lost touch with. Maybe you had a broken relationship with. Maybe they need a little bit of strength. Maybe it's a teacher who you wanna thank and you forgot about them. Have that list.
And then in that one minute, send them a text, send them a note. So no matter how the day goes, you have to look back and say, yeah. But those three minutes, that was my goal. That's where I really made something in. And, again, these things, if you do it, it's actually interesting.
This is something else I've thought about. Judaism has an idea that you can change somebody's life in three and a half seconds. There's actually a term in Judaism that quantifies that you have about a thousand units of three and a half seconds within an hour. Okay? Now why do we say that?
Because it goes back to an amazing story in the bible with Joseph when he's in the dungeon after he's accused of raping his boss' wife. She tries to seduce him. He's sitting there lamenting his own darkness. He's in the dungeon of Egypt. And what he does is he doesn't lament the darkness.
He increases the light. And he sees the face of God. There's a bubbler and a baker, and he says, then why do you guys look so sad? It takes three and a half seconds to say hello to somebody, to connect with somebody. Once he does that, they see his humanity, and then the whole trajectory of his life changes.
How many times, by the way, and I think about this in my own life, I'm thank god I'm married for thirty six years to my wife. We have six kids, daughters. We have five son in laws. We have, thank God, 14 grandchildren. It's crazy.
It's a real blessing. Amazing. How did it start? My sister took a few seconds to introduce me to my wife. We have a lot of inclinations of doing good things, but how often do we take those and we do something with them?
And so I ask people I say, what's gonna be your three and a half seconds today? Find three and a half seconds for thirty days consistently in your life, and then it could become a habit, and then your mindset changes. And then what happens, and I'll, I'll stop, is that if you think about it, what is it? Three and a half seconds, 30 times. How much is that?
Speaker 0: I'm a author, not a mathematician.
Speaker 1: No. No. That's that's about two minutes. Okay. There you go.
I tell people, and they don't believe me. I say, for two minutes a month, you can transform your life and those around you.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that's three and a half seconds a day. That's the way our lives begin to change, and that's the way the
Speaker 0: world changes with us. Amen. I couldn't agree more. And something I'm so present to when you were sharing that is prayer is highly spiritual. Gratitude is the bridge between spirituality and earthliness.
And and making someone's day, making an impact is that earthiness is that true tether to being here. Right? Because full transparency, there's so many people who are struggling with there's us being God giving the gift of waking us up and those of us who battle with being here and staying here, and and I'm very present to that. And and making someone's day, sending a letter, greeting anybody, inquiring with somebody, like, realizing like, experiencing yourself, making a positive difference with people, I think, gives us that evidence we need about why we're here and a sense of purpose and impact. So I really loved that piece, and I just wanted to go back to one thing about I too it is a daily going to bed and waking up.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh. I'm back.
We're so back, baby. Like, let's you know? And just a moment of thank you, a moment of feeling the sheets for just another second. But I've always thought the other side of the same coin is if I'm not dead yet, I'm not done yet. That's it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And when I leave, don't grieve because I I have fulfilled when I whatever I came to do, whether I realize it or not or whether we realize it or not. But, what fun it can be to know, okay. I'm here. Let's find out about it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's
Speaker 0: like a scavenger hunt, like an Easter egg hunt. So fantastic. And, we're not wrapping up just yet, but I would really love to ask two questions that I ask all my guests. One being, what have you had to give up in order to live this life you're currently living?
Speaker 1: It's a great question, by the way, because I do think that look. Time is the greatest gift, and there are definitely been choices. I mean, I know that, like, when I give up I mean, I would say I have a good time. I enjoy life a lot. But there are choices that you need to make.
Like, okay. Maybe I didn't, you know, watch that three hour football game or I didn't I don't know what it is. I mean, you know, I try to exercise. I spend time with people, but you do make choices. And I think this is important, by the way.
Like, identify five minutes in the morning to check the news and five minutes at night. Does it mean that I am maybe missing some breaking news in the middle of the day or whatever? Yeah. But that's okay because I realized, like, things aren't gonna change. You know, if somebody really needs to reach me, they will.
So, you know, you give up certain things. You know, maybe you give up, by the way, like, certain things which could be fun, but you realize that at the end of the day, again, we all need these relaxing moments, but you have to make choices with your time. There's only a limited amount of time. And, you know, I ask people and I think about I look at my schedule in as a week, not as a day. Sometimes people feel like they're productive just because every morning I was just submitting last night.
They said, every night I make my to do list. I said, that's not an effective way of living. Say, what do you want to have accomplished? What's your highest priority this week? Let's say the person in this case, you know, he's looking for a job, this person.
So he says sometimes he could spend eight hours in front of the computer searching for a job, and he's exhausted. I said, well, you know there are other things that are important in your life. There's volunteering. There's your spiritual health. There's your mental health.
There's exercise. So say that I'm going to search for a job fifteen hours this week. That's a lot. And then allocate, plug in. You have a hundred sixty eight hours a week.
Plug it in. And then you make a choice. In five hours, it would be for my spiritual growth. In three hours. So you're what I call sacred scheduling.
You're not allowing your calendar to control you. You control your calendar. So that to me is something that I've, you know, had to sometimes give up, but the rewards are a lot you know? Look. I mean, I think, you know, when you're on I'm in college.
One other thing, there's always a lot of pressure. We're like, this guy is going to this big law firm or that law firm. And, you know, you make certain financial sacrifices because you make decisions that really reflect your calling. You you're not doing things simply for the money, and thank god, you know, I do well. Okay?
But at at the end of the day, you realize what's important so you make certain sacrifices. Maybe you don't go on as many vacations because you need to, you know, invest in other things. So, again, you know, everybody has to make choices. But I'll say the last thing is that wherever you are in life, don't abdicate most divine gift that we have is our ability to choose. Mhmm.
Most people are and many people are they're like a leaf floating, and things are just they're being controlled by the environment and just going. But we are also endowed with not only a breath, but the power to choose to choose how we live, what we do, where we choose to invest our time and our priorities, to chase eternal pleasures, not counterfeit pleasures. But those are choices. So make those choices mindfully and soulfully.
Speaker 0: Love it. I love it so much. Whether it was pleasures and sacrifice you mentioned or, like, time I loved what you said, sacred scheduling, time budgeting, time blocking, like, really auditing the way you spend your time, the way you spend your energy. What landed for me was, like, eliminating distractions or actively choosing choosing back to the choice, choosing alignment and purpose and your vision, that the vision that's been laid on your heart or the direction you feel called to eliminate the distractions or the things that would take you off the path because my goodness, aren't they tempting?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Well and one other question I have for you is what at this age, at this stage, does it look like for Rabbi Cohen's heart to be unleashed?
Speaker 1: Woah. Okay. Well, I guess the name of the podcast is unleashed. So I I gotta talk about unleashing. I love that word though, by the way, also unleashed, because it implies just constant flowing.
Like, there's a divine energy that's flowing within you. You know, somebody said many years ago, don't see yourself as a dam. See yourself as a river. We're not here just to accumulate, but we're just going in the flow. And another friend of mine says, you know, I'm living in the slipstream of holiness.
Like, you're just, like, seizing moments, you know. And that to me is really, what life is all about. Like, it's not about the destination. I know people say this a lot, but it's about the journey of every moment. In every moment, you can construct a temple to God.
Every moment, you can let God into your life. I'll give you a quick example. I was, you know, in in Jewish tradition, a a baby boy has what's called a Brit Mila, like a circumcision. You know, this idea is part of the covenant. So there's a family that's not connected, and they told me about that covenant yesterday.
And I knew I couldn't make it there for the actual, event, but I wanted to come at the end. It was called for 11:30, and I get there at twelve. And I'm thinking I'll be there just to wish them a mazel tov of congratulations. So I walk in at 12:00. They haven't even started.
Now now I have to be someplace else at 12:15. I had planned to be there for five minutes just to wish them. And I I I told the rabbi who was there, I said, tell him a mazel tov, congratulations. I gotta go. Well, I'm walking out the door, and the rabbi who's there chasing says, you know, they're about to start the the the deal.
You can do the blessings and you can name the child. And I said, okay. I guess God really wants me to, as you say, unleash that light in my moment. I mean, think about it. Like, baby is named once in their life.
It's a covenant. And, like, I said to myself, okay. I'll be five minutes late for the other one. Because in some cosmic reality, god wanted me to be the one to help give this child the DNA of their soul by giving them that name. And I did.
And the mother texted me afterwards, and she she was so happy that I was there. And that to me is, she was so happy that I was there. And that to me is like an unleashed life. Like, I don't feel limited by what my plans are. Like, if someone comes into my life, I just have to say, okay.
That's what God wanted. God creates the circumstances, but we have to unleash the light in all those
Speaker 0: moments. It doesn't happen too often in interviews, but I am holding back tears. Luckily like, we're on video here, but Yeah. In in audio, they'll you know, just wanted to explain that your story reminds me of every person every day so distracted, so hurried. We are missing it.
It's now. Like, it's a divine assignment you got, but you could have also declined it and said, nah. I gotta get out of here. Someone else did great, but you listened. You were present and aware enough to get the tap on the shoulder.
I always warn clients, don't wait for the roundhouse kick. It hurts. Like Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point.
Into our alignment. Right? And so I'm just I'm so moved by the the sharing of being able to your inner ear, your inner eye, and your your physical physical eye, your heart to know, wait a minute. This isn't an accident. This nothing is so urgent that I can't answer my call.
And I I'm so grateful because what I know is that people feel in a choke hold, in a headlock, just completely dictated by by a boss or somethings like, some outward entity that's gonna tell them you can't be living in your purpose. You can't answer. You can't listen to the nudge or the intuition. And I hope for everyone. I hope for every single person that they can have the attunement to really accept the invitations in those moments.
So I'm so grateful for your example and your share.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. This is what happened and, you know, that word of an invitation, like, God gives us the invitation. We just have to open up the letter.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And accept it because we can still
Speaker 1: And accept it.
Speaker 0: Superburden and pretended to accept. I'm loving this, and I would love to ask, one, so I don't forget, like, where can people find you? How can people be connected with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks. So the easiest way is on my website, www.rabbidanielcohen.com. You can look me up, and there's a lot of videos there. There's a link there to the Legacy Academy.
That's the website, livelegacyacademy.com. But feel free to send me an email, which you can do, and we can go from there. Happy to set up a, you know, a connection, a spiritual conversation with anybody.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's fantastic. And we will certainly have your, website and your email in the show notes so people will be able to find that easily. I wanted to, before we wrap up, ask you to sort of share your books each of your books. Give us a little insight into each one, if you will.
Speaker 1: Sure. So I have two main books that are on I'm writing another couple now, but the one book is called that we spoke about, What Will They Say About You When You're Gone? That's kind of the the the signature book that I wrote. Creating a Life of Legacy, very close with senator Joseph Lieberman of Blessed Memory who wrote the forward for that book, and that's related to Legacy Academy and Reverse Engineering Your Life. Then I wrote a fiction book called The Secret of the Light, which is a little bit from my own personal experience, which is about a young boy who young man who has the sudden loss of his mom, and he goes into a a deep funk.
And while he is meandering around Times Square, he discovers a street sweeper, named Elijah, who's a hidden mystic, who helps him understand that the light is still within him and he can share his mother's light. So it's a a parable around finding hope and faith after loss.
Speaker 0: I really love that. You shared in the very beginning, you said that I lost my mom at 20 and I'll get to that. And I don't know that we did get to that. Is there anything you'd love to share about your mom?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel she's present with me right now. She always is. And my father actually, while we were on the phone, my father was trying to call me, and I just I tell him I'll call him back. My dad's living in Israel now, so he was calling me. So my parents are definitely very much living in me and and through me.
And, you know, my mom, like, she continues to, inspire me. She's a person who very much, you know, is just about they said about my mom, I guess I'll conclude with this, she was a stranger to no one. It's a great way to lead life. Like, say hi to anybody and made them feel welcome and help them recognize that, you know, they matter, that God loves them. So this is good.
God should bless you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Amen. All of us. And and to our listeners, oh my goodness. You guys, I hope that this was everything you needed.
I hope you heard that one maybe that one sentence or that one point made. Although, Rabbi, like I said, just dropping gems of wisdom all over this conversation. So thank you.
Speaker 1: My pleasure.
Speaker 0: Is there any parting words you'd love to share with our listeners today?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look. There's nobody like you in the universe. You know, when you wake up, know that God loves you, God believes in you, and, you can change the world and change yourself in a matter of just three point five seconds. Just make a difference in one person's life.
Your life will be uplifted, and slowly the world will see a lot more light in everybody.
Speaker 0: Amen. I couldn't agree more. Be the light. Be the
Speaker 1: change. The light. That's it.
Speaker 0: And it's an inside job. Like, it's actually a relief. What a relief. I just get to work with me. And it will just ripple effect.
So thank you. Your ripple, your light is so bright and so wide and so far, and thank you for bringing that light to the Hearts Unleashed podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. God bless you.
Speaker 0: Listeners, thank you. Be sure to share this with someone who needs a little bit of light today, and I hope this light really made your day brighter. Remember to go to bed and wake up saying thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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