Honest Ghost Hunting and the Future of Paranormal Investigation w/ Ghost Trip Investigation | Ghost City Podcast

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We've had a run of, I think it's about three investigations where we've literally had zilch.
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Yeah nothing had happened.
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Nothing.
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And it's it's one of them you you'll know from investigating yourself, where you're literally sat there and you're just in your own brain, you're kind of like just crying.
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Someone doing something to make your trip worthwhile.
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All right, guys, we are back with another episode.
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And actually, today I got Adam and Dan from Ghost Trip Investigations.
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All the way from the UK, you guys are joining us.
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Um, all the way from the UK.
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Yeah.
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I we had to be here at like 10 o'clock this morning for you guys because um, what is it, like four?
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It's like 4:35 there, right?
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Right now.
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Half past four in the afternoon here.
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Yeah, so uh we've already lived your day.
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I know I feel like you guys somehow have an advantage of us over us all the time because can I tell you a very quick story?
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It's very unusually sunny today as well, which for us Brits is like what get outside, the sunshine, and quickly get a tan, and then that's our summer done for another two years.
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Yeah, and now you're here doing uh we were watching the World Cup the other night, and I my partner's sister was over, and I said to her, I said, Oh, next week I'm gonna be watching England, I'm gonna be in America, so it won't be because obviously at the minute it's late at night that we have to watch the games.
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And I said, Oh, so the game's gonna be on at 2 p.m.
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I think it is kickoff, so we'll I won't have to stay up too late.
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And do you know what she said?
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She said, Don't tell us the score because it's on later over here.
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Oh.
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Don't what spoiler, spoiler alert?
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What do they call them?
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Yeah, I said, I'll let you know the score so you can put a bet on it, Nicole.
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You know?
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Um, so she genuinely thought that we were almost in different dimensions that we were gonna get to see the game before it was gonna be shown over here because of the time difference.
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Yeah, crazy behavior.
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Well, I I think the betting markets kind of open at the same time, no matter where you are.
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So I don't know if that would too much.
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But uh yeah, you got you guys just got back to the UK, I think, not too long ago, right?
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Like you guys were over here for we did, yeah.
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We uh we arrived back here literally two or three days ago.
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We got back from uh sunny Austin, Texas, which was uh eventful.
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It's uh a great little city.
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Uh, we watched uh a few of the games.
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We went out to watch uh America versus Turkey, and we also watched the UK game.
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Uh, and also our cameraman entered into the Austin Belly Flop Championships at one of the stories and won.
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So he is the current Austin national champion of the belly flop, and he's got a belt, and uh they've invited him back next year to uh expect the defense.
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That sounds like something you would do in Austin.
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Austin's a little crazy.
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Um, you know I think I think the whole state of Texas is a little crazy, but us Brits absolutely love it.
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We got to kind of do a little bit of a whirlwind tour.
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We we started off in San Antonio, um, we then had an investigation um at Yorktown Memorial Hospital, which we'll touch on again a little bit later on, which was an absolutely phenomenal investigation.
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And then from Yorktown, we we we shot up to uh to Austin.
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So it was about four days in total that we got to spend in the great state of Texas.
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It honestly was it was an incredible trip.
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Yeah, Texas is really cool.
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I mean, and and it's right next door.
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I mean, we're here in Louisiana.
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I mean, we could get to Texas in what, two, three hours?
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I think it's like three hours.
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Um right next door.
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It's halfway up the UK for us.
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Like I just pop, pop in the car and drive that three hours.
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You know, it was funny, not to get too off-subject, but I was the other day I was talking to somebody, and and you guys actually popped into my mind because I said something like, I was like, Oh, it's not that far of a drive, it's like nine hours.
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And then and then for some reason I remembered our conversation at Pennhurst, where you were like, no, we can get like from the top to the bottom, like six hours.
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And I was like, Yeah, six, seven hours, you you call wall all the way up to the top of Scotland.
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You've done the UK, you know.
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I I think the UK fits, it definitely fits into Texas once.
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I don't know if it's like the UK can fit like once and all into one state.
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Do you know what I mean?
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So yeah, it gives you an idea of how small, small and mighty, may I add, that we are over in the UK.
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I don't think I don't think a lot of Americans truly re realize how small our country is.
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And not like you said there, like literally bottom to the top of Scotland, six hours.
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So when you guys do turn around and go, Yeah, a nine-hour drive, that's not too bad.
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In our little British heads, that's like up and down our whole country practically in a whole day.
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And it's just like it blows our mind that how big your country is.
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You know, one thing was crazy as well, even though we're so small, uh, we've got so many different accents, so many different traditions.
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We call things completely different things.
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Like there's a big divide between the north and the south in England.
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So, you know, they'll call something completely different up north, as we call it.
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They call us the northern monkeys and the southern fairies.
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And this is like kind of beef that goes on between the north and the south of England.
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Um, but for such a small island, we've got so many different dialects, and it's really hard for us to, even though they're speaking English, it's very difficult for us to understand the Scottish people because their accent's so broad, or if they're from Liverpool speaking Scouts, or Newcastle speaking Geordie, or you know, it's just it's just crazy.
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Just for such a small little place to have so many different kinds of afflictions in the speech.
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Yeah, we we kind of have the same thing here in the United States, the North versus South thing.
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Um we we kind of fought a fucking war over it.
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Um, like at one point.
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Um and there, I mean, either the dialect thing, I don't think it's probably as dramatic in America as it is over there.
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Like, you know, every once in a while you'll run into a population of people that are kind of hard to understand.
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Like these fucking uh what do you call them, Carter?
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Cajuns.
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Cajuns.
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Um like half the time it's good.
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I can't even imitate them.
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Depending depending on the parish that you're in, they sound completely different.
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Yeah.
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Like West, West Louisiana and Southeast Louisiana Cajuns sound uh they have often different dialects.
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You you've got a real strong accent in like the deep south of Alabama, Louisiana.
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Well, he's from Louisiana.
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You know, he's from Louisiana.
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Yeah, there's there's definitely points in Louisiana that sounds more like your typical southern state, like in Alabama or a Mississippi.
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They have like that kind of southern traditional, but they're there's very a lot of like French influence from like the from with the Cajuns and whatnot.
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So you know, actually, there's another big difference between the North and the South that maybe you guys can help me clear up, uh, because you're kind of like a neutral party.
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So for the longest time, there's always been this idea of like Southerners being more friendly and like and like quicker to say hi on the street, all this stuff, as opposed to northerners who are like supposed to like, you know, see on the street and like you know, go fuck yourself.
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I don't want to talk to you, like that kind of stuff.
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I would have to agree.
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Really?
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Yeah, I would have to agree.
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So we we spent some time in New York.
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Yeah, we spent some time in New York, and the difference between people in kind of New York and Texas is vast.
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It's New York reminds me very much of London.
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You know, it's sometimes if you ask somebody for the time in London, there's a 50% chance you're gonna get stabbed.
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Right.
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Um I felt like that hostility is prevalent in New York as well.
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You know, it's you're on the subway, nobody talks to each other.
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You're in London on the underground, nobody talks to each other.
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They look at you like you've just you know robbed their grandmother.
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But you go to southern states and the hospitality is fans, how y'all doing?
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You know, oh come over to my it's everyone wants to talk to everyone, it just seems friendlier.
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I don't know why.
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Yeah, no, it doesn't, it just doesn't.
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You all agree, ads.
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Like we've moved on boats quite a number of times, you know.
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Yeah, 100%.
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Everyone's more accommodating downside, and this is no disrespect to anyone in the north because we be in the north and we we don't get rid of some lovely, lovely people as a whole.
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I think the south is more accepting.
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Uh, they love the fact that we're there, they love the fact that we're experiencing the southern hospitality, as they say, yeah um in America.
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And it comes across a lot.
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And for for you know, for two British guys that are over there on their own to kind of be wandering around.
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Obviously, we we we put a lot of our stories out on social media, we get a lot of people now recommending where we need to go and what we need to do, and if there's any help that we need to get, it's it's it's always the southern states that seem to olive branch out a little bit more.
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Well, as I agree, as a northerner myself, um, I'm not offended at all, first of all.
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Uh but two, to show how nice northerners can be as well.
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I we can also help suggest haunted locations if you guys ever need help.
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Like every city that we're in, we know fucking everybody.
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Like, and everybody works with us.
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So if you ever need help or getting into a place or finding a place, like we can help you out.
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Yeah.
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Um, I'm kind of this so well, okay.
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So Southerners are more nice, polite.
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Um this is gonna be slightly controversial, but I'm gonna go with it anyways.
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I'm still saying northerners are more intelligent 100%.
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Throwing down the I'm throwing down the gauntlet.
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Here we are now completely dividing America.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, like I he's dividing the room.
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Yeah.
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Nah, I'm just kidding.
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Um we've got more street smarts.
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There's like four smart people in the South.
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I hope I'm one of them.
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I mean, sometimes, yeah.
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Um fair enough.
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Nah, I'm just kidding.
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Six when we're over there, eh?
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There we go.
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Yeah, nah, we we we've determined the the that I'm a professional provocateur and I just say controversial things to try to poke a bear with a stick, I don't mind.
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So, guys, uh ghost trip investigations and ghosts.
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I the the let's get back to that.
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I think that's what we're here to talk about.
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I don't fucking know.
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Absolutely.
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Um, so how did you guys even come up with this idea?
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Because essentially it's the the the gist is you guys get together and go look for ghosts, but so I've I've been investigating about 15, 16 years now.
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And um, it's always been like a a passion of mine.
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And to begin with, it was it was more of a hobby.
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Um, like a lot of people along came COVID, which you think about some of the things they made us do it do during those times now, seems so wild.
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Um, I started going out.
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Uh, I don't know if it's the same over in America.
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In the UK, we were allowed an hour walk break or exercise break, where we were allowed out of the house for an hour a day.
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Yeah.
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Lucky, lucky.
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And um, it sounds sounds crazy now, doesn't it?
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And what I was doing, I was going to some um some reportedly haunted buildings around my local area and started live streaming them on uh on TikTok.
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And it just sort of picked up attraction, everyone was off work and stuff like that, and it just grew, grew, grew.
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And it got to the point where I kind of thought, you know what?
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Like there's there's something here, it's a passion of mine.
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So I kind of, once COVID had died down and finished, and we were allowed to get back to normal life, I sort of put put a call out to other creators on the app, you know, that if you wanted to come and experience the paranormal, I was looking for skeptics because you know, not everybody believes in what we do, which is which is totally fine, by the way.
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And uh Dan was one of the first people that turned around and said, Hey, listen, I'm a complete skeptic.
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I honestly saw this post that he put out and I got tags in at Lowe's.
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Dan, you should go, Dan, you should go.
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And I said, Look, when you die, you're burnt and buried, and it's like sleeping without dreaming forever.
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That's it.
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You can't change your mind.
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That's it.
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I was the most unreligious person you'll ever meet, never read a Bible, never been to church apart from when I got christened.
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Don't even why I did that because my parents aren't religious.
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And um, I said, Do you know what then?
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I'll come along.
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And I decided to come along on the premise that it was going to be laughably funny.
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Going into this haunted pub, it was a pub in Reading, it was called the Lamb Inn.
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And it was some other content creators that we were friendly with at the time on the app, uh, Adam and then a paranormal team, this duo, um, who later both turned out to be dickheads.
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But we went to this pub and I was there.
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I was like, this is gonna be hilarious.
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People try to talk to dead people in this room, and they were just gonna use a Ouija board and they're getting all these gadgets and gizmos out.
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And I'm like, what on earth are you gonna do with that?
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You're gonna try and talk to dead people through that radio and shit like this.
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And I'm thinking this is a load of shit.
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Anyway, it started, and I shit myself, right?
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Absolutely shit myself because things were happening, and I it was the first time I'd been ever opened up to things like this.
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And Adam was just sat there, like, yeah, this is pretty normal, you know.
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And I'm looking in thinking, fucking hell, what's going on here?
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Anyway, long story short, we did this investigation.
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Me and Adam got on so well, we got really, really well.
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And um it was just, hey, me and you could do this, right?
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You've been going out on your own.
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Do you want do you want me to come with you?
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So um we said, yeah, fuck it, why not?
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Let's let's let's go out together.
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COVID was dying down, as Ad said.
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And you remember the first place, Ads, don't you?
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Where we thought the name for our for Ghost Trip investigation and filmed our first video.
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Adam used to have hair down to his shoulders as well, like it had a 90s, like either like an 80s porn star or a 90s wrestler kind of thing, you know.
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He was just missing the sexy tash, right?
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And uh, we went to this place called Barrow Gurney Hospital.
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It was uh completely derelict, had no roof.
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Uh, we kind of let ourselves in, if you catch my drift, yeah.
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And it was in Bristol in the UK.
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And I remember right now, we stood at the back of this old place.
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I said, let's make it why don't we make a TikTok channel for the Ghost Hunting?
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Because at the moment we were doing it on our personal accounts.
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We said, Well, we're gonna need a name, and we both thought, right, Ghost Trip GTI, Ghost Trip Investigation.
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Yeah, and I remember if you're seeing this, you're watching Ghost Trip Investigation.
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We didn't think it was gonna come to anything anyway.
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That was 12 years ago now, that was, and we were the kind of first people to bring that kind of professionalism in the paranormal, it's all there's holes through the garden, right?
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Um that professionalism, that professionalism to um to that's my girlfriend doing gardening.
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Yeah, um, yeah, we were the first people to kind of bring it professionally to any kind of social media, and I think in in the regards now, we were quite lucky to to get in so early um because we kind of gripped that initial audience, the people who were interested in the paranormal kind of gravitated towards us.
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And me and ads, if you've watched our you know, our shows before, we we try to you know enter some banter into the uh into the episodes as well and have a bit of fun whilst doing it.
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We keep professional with the ghost hunting, as we, you know, as we should, and we take it very seriously, but we also like to infuse our banter and me and ads, you know, kind of bounce off each other.
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And I think that's what makes ghost investigation successful, is because it's not just the doom and gloom of death.
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Right.
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And is anybody there?
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Can you knock on the table?
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Oh, nothing's happening, shall we go to the next room?
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We try and keep it very entertaining and exciting, you know.
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I I thoroughly enjoy it now.
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And I think for no longer a skeptic.
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Yeah, sorry for interruption there, mate.
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I think, as well, for anyone who doesn't know us or know of Ghost of Investigation, I think one thing that's really um stood out for us and worked really well for us is the fact that all of our investigations are live streamed, none of them are pre-recorded.
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Every single investigation that we do is live streamed, and this is like not a popper anybody under any stretch of the imagination.
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You know, uh it eliminates all of the opportunity to mess around a little bit or put I'm not saying anyone does, not saying anybody does, but it eliminates all of that from um from our side of things.
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It's all caught on live, and we do not throw the paranormal down your throat.
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If you want to watch our videos and something happens, we're not saying it's paranormal, we're only showing you what has happened to us at this location.
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Well, you know, yeah, we're there to document it, you know, and it's up to you to decide whether you think that's the wind or if you think that's Dave from 8080 knocking on the windows, you know.
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Yeah, I I think that's a really good way of doing it.
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I was actually talking to uh Jake Bruce the other day.
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I don't know if you know Jake, he does uh some paranormal investigations on on YouTube and stuff.
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And uh, you know, he he kind of had the same philosophy.
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And I was thinking about it as I was talking to him, and and I'm willing to bet one of the reasons people like it is because you're not telling them what to think, or you're not telling them what it is.
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You know, in order to get people hooked on your content, you have to engage their brain a little bit.
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And if you're constantly saying, This is what this is, this is what that is, oh, there's demons everywhere, all this stuff, all of a sudden, like they just become a passive viewer instead of somebody who's actually engaged in your content.
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Exactly.
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You know, thinking like, huh?
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I wonder if that is the wind.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, like that kind of thing.
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And then stuff that's happened to us on investigations, because we're we're we're filming live and we're broadcasting live, there's stuff that's happened to us on investigations where it's blown our mind at the time.
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We've been like, oh my god, like there's no explanation for this.
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And then when we go back and review the footage afterwards, yeah, there is that logical explanation, ah, it was that, you know.
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And a lot of paranormal teams would just shut up, stay quiet, and say, No, everybody thought that was a ghost, or everybody thought we caught something really paranormal on camera.
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Yeah, for us, we love to debunk it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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We like we don't want to be seen to be fake.
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The second you fake one thing, or something is you know put in that you're done.
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Your whole anything you've ever done in the past is under scrutiny.
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Do you know what I mean?
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So we do pride ourselves on one doing it live.
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So, you know, we have upwards of 10,000 people watching, so there's no, you know, fucking about, you know, we've had accusations, oh, you've got a third person with your hiding behind the door, and it's like, what they've done, they've managed to hide for five hours in front of 10,000 people on a live stream after.
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Yeah, just to push a door once.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I think that's the beauty of what we do though, because we could literally, and this goes for every single paranormal team.
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I'll bet anybody with paranormal interests will understand what I'm trying to say here.
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You could literally capture Derek walking through a wall that looks like he's come from the Victorian era, and there will still be a 50-50 split on those that think it's real, even though it's dead, right?
00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.240
It's like it's still gonna be that 50s.
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You can't win in this in this genre that we're in.
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You really, really can't.
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No, you you can't.
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I've been, you know, I it that's why you know I've been doing paranormal investigations for about 20 years, uh, actually before I started this company.
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And uh for the first couple of years, it was fun to put stuff online.
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Like, hey, like I caught this shadow person at Rolling Hills, and you know, but now it's it's the honestly, the paranormal community, like it's kind of lost its mind a little bit.
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Um, like, you know, not everybody, of course.
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Like you said, 50-50 split.
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And by the way, they don't know which 50% I'm talking about, so I guess everybody can get mad at me or think that I'm not talking about them, whichever one they would prefer it.
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But like, you know, like this idea of like interpreting what they're seeing on on the screen and you know, 50-50 split.
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I I always say, listen, you you you've got the debunking community, which a lot of them are actually really pleasant, nice people that will have an adult conversation around their logical thinking.
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You also get the few that just will have try and tear apart every single video that you put out.
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Again, we put content on social media, we're open to that happening.
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But ultimately, and I always say this you can't prove either way what you wasn't there.
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So you can't prove that what we've caught or what we believe is paranormal isn't.
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Just as like vice versa, if they go on investigation, I might think something's bullshit, I'm entitled to have that opinion that somebody's but I can't prove that it's bullshit.
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Right.
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Yeah, all of it it's all based on opinions, and um, you know, that that it is such a split.
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And the paranormal community, like you say, is um, especially over the last couple of years, I think it's it's turned a little bit toxic.
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We just enjoy what we do, we don't get involved in the negative side of things, we just crack on, we have fun with what we do, and I think that's the key point of doing what we do when it becomes not fun anymore.
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We won't do it.
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We're having so much fun with it, we'd love it, and we love the community that we've built from it as well.
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It's incredible.
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No, you know what it is as well, though.
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I think sometimes like people say, Oh, we're gonna watch a ghost hunt, they're gonna watch a paranormal investigation.
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They they've watched too much Hollywood, they think it's gonna be like the Exorcist every time, they think they're gonna see mine and Adam's head spin around 50 times, we're both gonna throw up, all the chairs and tables gonna levitate to the ceiling, and then a demon's gonna come in and roar at the screen.
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And if that doesn't happen, they're oh boring, innit?
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Yeah, well, if you just stood in a room, the paranormal would be boring because the chances of you catching something every single time is very, very slim.
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You know, there's a lot of waiting around, there's a lot of it was which is why because we do it live, we have to have that entertainment value, not from the paranormal side, but me and Adam have to keep the audience engaged.
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Because if we were just solely to rely on the paranormal evidence, it'd be a very boring thing to watch.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Oh, um, but you've got to keep it entertaining, you know.
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But it is not like the movies, and I think that sometimes people think it's you know, it's the exorcist, it's it's whatever, but it in reality it really isn't.
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Well, I wish I wish my head would go spinning because we've completed it then.
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Yeah, oh, you've done it, you've won.
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We find we found the paranoia.
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You know, I I don't think it's just movies either.
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I think it's just the whole so so I mean, this is my opinion on it.
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You know, it the the these ghost hunting shows have been around for like, you know, for for a while.
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I mean, like I think like ghost hunters and all those guys, Scott Star like 20 something years ago or something, right?
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Yeah, maps.
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Yeah, and and as and as time goes on, it's like everybody has to up the previous generation.
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And I'm not gonna mention any names, but now we have you know ghost hunting TV shows.
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Mention them.
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Well, I I gotta be friendly with I'm always like trying to play, you know, the the neutral ground here.
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But everybody knows who I'm talking about.
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Um, and then all of a sudden it became every there's demons everywhere, and everything's out to possess you, and everything's out to follow you home, and everything's out to ruin your life.
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And and and that kind of became the level that everybody was attaining or trying to attain in their entertainment.
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I think it's because people see the dark side as a little bit more entertaining.
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People tuning in and watching, they love, you know, if you created some drama online, people are they flock to it, you know?
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So they're hoping, oh, it's dark as demons, and somebody's gonna get possessed, or I'm gonna see somebody get injured or attack somebody.
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And that is that draw.
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Unfortunately, people like that kind of darker that's what they think a ghost hunt is.
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You know, you're gonna come face to face with a demon, you're gonna get possessed and go on a mad rampage.
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That's what they want to see, you know?
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They don't want to see you talk to little old Claire who was, you know, they had a lovely family and they all died peacefully in their sleep.
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And it was a lovely magical story.
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And they just came by to say hello, they touched our little hair on there, they set our little REM pod off.
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It went beep, beep, beep, and they said thanks for coming.
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And that was the end of the show.
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You know, they want Bale to come in, rip someone's arm off, possess somebody.
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That's entertainment to some people, you know.
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Well, isn't that the challenge, though?
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Like right now with all this paranormal content out there, you you know, because you know you said, and it is very true, paranormal investigation is actually very boring.
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It you know, you'll be there eight hours, seven hours and 45 minutes, there's nothing going on unless you get lucky and it's you know it's a good night or whatever.
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:31.359
Um, so how do how do you take those 15 minutes and make sure that you're still providing the entertainment that people are expecting?
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Because some people have taken the different approach than you guys, and and you guys might have seen these videos where hey, we're paranormal investigators, we're going in this house, and they just run around the house for two fucking hours screaming, hyperventilating into a fucking paper bag, acting like everything's in the house is gonna kill them.
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.920
Yeah, like and and you guys obviously are not taking that direction.
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So no, no, no, no, no.
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So no, so how we we we've got a very it I uh you know, I I'm biased because I co-own GTI, but I think we have the most incredible community that understand that sometimes it can be boring.
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We've been in investigations, we live stream for about five hours, we've been in investigation.
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Um, there was an old prison that we went to, uh police station, um, where literally, and I mean literally, nothing paranormal happened for four and a half hours.
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I'm looking at Adam in the break and going, Fucking hell, mate.
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We've got 10,000 people watching us here.
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We haven't heard a tap.
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We built this venue up.
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It was like uh it's where the peaky blinders were kept.
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Peaky blinders were staying.
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Birmingham.
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Prisoned in Birmingham.
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No fair.
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Nothing happened, and I'm thinking, fucking hell, what are we gonna do?
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You know, and we can't just throw something, we can't fake something, as you know.
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So we're just literally sat there twiddling the our thumbs.
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So there were some old police uniforms in the corner.
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We started dressing up as old coppers, you know, putting on we're still trying to provide that entertainment because people do watch the show.
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We're not running around prison in police outfits.
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:10.960
Yeah, I think the the beauty of the paranormal is if you are um a you know a good person and you're entertaining, we attract people that watch our show that don't give a monkeys about the paranormal too much.
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They watch to see me in ads and the banter, and you know, we get a lot of messages saying, you know, I live alone or I've been really unwell and I love watching you guys.
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Um, the banter, it makes me laugh.
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You know, there's not many paranormal shows that you tune into that make you laugh.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Normally you tune into the paranormal to hide behind the sofa under a blanket, shitting yourself.
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Right.
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But we, because we do this, I think that makes up for those quiet times, those quiet, you know, investigations where fuck all happens, nothing.
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Um, and we could just make it entertaining.
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:46.799
Um, but yeah, we we've been on investigations and yeah, it's just been it's been worrying.
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Previously to our last investigation, which was uh uh Yorktown Memorial Hospital in Texas, which we only did last week, we've had a run of I think it's uh three investigations where we've literally had zilch, yeah, nothing had happened, nothing, and it's it's one of them you you'll know from investigating yourself, where you're literally sat there and you're just in your own brain, you're kind of like just crying.
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:17.279
Yeah, someone doesn't make your trip worthwhile.
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:27.759
Yeah, but you know what though, I think it's brilliant sometimes when you have an episode that nothing happens because every single episode that you did was a fucking Hollywood blockbuster, you'd thinking, hey, hang on a minute.
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:39.519
Yeah, that you're telling me these lads are going out every fucking night and they're getting scratched, bitten, having things thrown at them, intelligent words coming through voice box and things like that.
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:44.160
I think it validates the fact that we're doing things properly, and if nothing happens, nothing happens.
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.759
We always treat it like a music album.
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You know, Ariana Grande releases an album.
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They can't all be number one bangers, right?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, so you've got to treat it like your investigations that you know, some may be good, some maybe shit.
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And some other ones, they're they're shit.
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But on those shit ones, you've got some, you know, a bit of character to fall back on with me and ads and the banter.
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:10.079
Uh and then sometimes it's just under a mile an hour, full speed.
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.880
You know, we've had to leave some investigations early because it's too overwhelming, and we're like, fuck it out.
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.799
We've we've we've uncovered something here.
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.559
There's places that Adam is the scared one, and I'm the brave one, you see.
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:25.759
Oh, and uh, yeah, he switched their roles up very quickly there.
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I will admit that he is a very brave soul.
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I shit myself, but he screamed my names a few times, haven't you, Ad?
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.880
Right, it happens, and on invest and on it and on investigations as well.
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He's done it as well.
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So no, yeah.
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Uh you know, Ad Adam is the braver, braver one out of the two of us.
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.319
But we yeah, there's some venues that even adds doesn't want to go back to because of you know things that have happened.
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.359
And for me as a skeptic, that kind of solidifies the fact that there is something out there.
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.480
Um, I'm not saying that it's you know, it is ghosts.
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We don't know.
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Maybe we just haven't got the equipment available or the technology to communicate with whatever it is that we're trying to communicate with properly yet.
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We've had various things.
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Are we talking to people from the future?
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Are we talking to people from the past that believe we're dead and that they're investigating us?
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.000
We've had that a number of times with time slips.
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I think it's such a, you know, we're so we haven't even scratched the surface of it that it's just at the moment, it's just that initial investigation period of we don't know what we're talking to, we don't know who we're talking to, but there is something.
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.680
And that has changed me from a skeptic to a believer.
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:33.440
I got involved in the paranormal for personal answers.
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:42.480
I've never gotten them answers, and I have 10 billion other questions started investigating.
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.480
So that that kind of gives you an idea.
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You don't ever get the answers you want.
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.319
Well, I mean, that that's just the way it goes.
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:54.400
And and like you said, you know, you try to answer one question, and often you don't get an answer, but it leads you to 20 other questions.
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:59.920
And uh like to give you guys a long ver uh a short version of something that's actually very long.
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:04.480
So for about six years now, I've been working on a on a theory of consciousness.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.880
And like this is actually some high-level stuff.
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:12.640
I know I'm like some dumb guy who owns a ghost tour company and does this podcast, but I I really enjoy like intellectual pursuits.
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.319
Yeah, for the north, you're intelligent.
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:14.799
That's right.
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.440
All right, carry on.
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.880
Yeah, and I'm not very nice.
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.880
Um like like this other.
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:26.559
Um but you know, it it it but that that arrived, because I started I asked a question like in my head, I was like, what are ghosts?
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That's where this whole thing started.
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:35.440
And now I actually have like a scientific paper that I that I'm getting ready to submit for peer review here in a couple months on on the a theory of consciousness.
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:46.160
And uh but I mean that one question, what is a ghost, led to 5,000 other questions that that all of a sudden you know we started putting math to and data to.
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And it's actually making sense.
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.400
So it's actually kind of exciting that you know, you're talking about what are ghosts.
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.400
Like, in my my opinion, I think they're just streams of consciousness.
00:29:54.400 --> 00:30:01.119
Like, you know, um, I I don't know, you know, I don't think that they're dead in the sense like it's a dead person.
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:06.480
I think it's just that person's consciousness that that exists still after their body's gone.
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:11.920
I I kind of think that's what ghosts are, but I'm I'm quite high up on the on the stone tape theory.
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:16.799
I'm quite high up on that theory that, you know, we as humans, we give off energy.
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:37.440
That energy has to be absorbed into something, whether it's walls, whether it's bricks, whether it's something, potentially under the the right circumstances, whether it's water, lightning, atmospheric pressure, all of that, that energy can somehow be released a little bit as well under the right conditions, kind of like a tape cassette, old cassette players, you know, that can imprint voices.
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.680
And I I'm quite high up on that theory.
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:46.720
And I believe a lot of ghosts, physical apparitions that we see, I don't think there's any intelligence to that.
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:52.480
I do believe it's a regional time just replaying itself under the right, right circumstances.
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.000
I'm I'm quite high up on that theory.
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.839
Do you know what baffles me as well, though?
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.759
This is a question that I think about quite a lot.
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.400
And obviously, you know, for my full-time job, I am a ghost hunter.
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.039
And this is the one question that has baffled me.
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.519
It doesn't baffle me, but I just don't understand it.
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.640
More people have died than are currently alive.
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.799
We have lost billions of souls, right?
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:16.559
If they were physically, oh, sorry, excuse me, sorry, oh, sorry, can I just get through?
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:24.160
Sorry, there would be tens of billions of souls, energy, spirits, whatever it was, flying around.
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.440
And I'm thinking, can we not can we just not see them maybe?
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.960
Because obviously we need certain things to see ultraviolet light, special glasses, to see ultraviolet light, UV light, all this kind of stuff.
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.920
And I'm thinking, if we put on some, are they just gonna be everywhere?
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.319
You know, we just can't see them, feel them, and hear them.
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.000
That's a scary thought, by the way.
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.880
Like, I do a lot of I do a lot of things I don't want anybody seeing.
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.400
You know, like oh, yeah.
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.039
That's the other thing.
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.799
Like, your dead man is she watching you in your bedroom, or watching you take a shit.
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.119
Yeah.
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.960
Yeah.
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.119
Or she's thinking another one?
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.559
You're going for another one?
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.839
Isn't it sore yet?
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.200
This is five today.
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:06.720
Well, I I think what would happen, because I've thought about this before, you know, whether it's like, you know, um, you know, like you said, taking a shit or you know, God knows what else we do that we don't want other people seeing.
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:13.200
I would think, like my grandma, for example, or my grandpa, any of these people that know me, they would probably be like, you know, I don't really need to watch Tim take a shit.
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.359
Yeah, like yeah, I don't need to see that.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:22.960
I'm gonna it'd be more worried if they were like, Oh, Joe, come on over, he's throwing again like like he's starting to sweat.
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:23.680
This is a good one.
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.319
Yeah, um I'm not gonna also uh Dan just said five.
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.319
You can tell he just spent some time in the States.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:32.160
Do what?
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.400
Yeah, he he's he's he said five.
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:39.279
I wasn't on about I wasn't I I wasn't on about taking five shits in a day.
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:43.759
I was on about something very different.
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.359
That is an American thing.
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.240
Um we just eat too much over here.
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.680
Um, that's what it is.
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:57.119
We never go home with the portion sizes, it's the portion sizes.
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:04.880
It's the you're not you're ordering too much, you're still ordering one meal, but the amount of food on that one meal is fucking three times the size.
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.960
You could feed a family of four in the UK.
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:18.559
Yeah, it's not we went to Terry Black's, we went to Terry Black's on our last day in Austin, and we've got in and they've cut off the meats and stuff, we're looking at it like, oh my god, I don't think I'm gonna be able to eat all this.
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.279
We went and sat down, and again, no disrespect to it.
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:28.480
These cup, these gent two gents come out, and we've got like a tiny little starter and three slithers of brisket.
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:28.799
Uh-huh.
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:37.359
These three two lads come out, they've got this jar of mac and cheese, they've got about looks like a whole brisket on his plate to itself.
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.680
Yeah, they've got they've got the whole cow basically on their plate.
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.839
They sat there like, I know I'm gonna be full on and listen, I'm I'm quite a big guy.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.440
And I'm sat there there, there's no way he's gonna wedge through all of that.
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.319
And they both did, and I'm like, wow, that is unbelievable.
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.519
Yeah, that's why we die at 78 of coronary heart disease and you know, like all that kind of stuff.
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.599
You'll be lucky to make it to 78 down here.
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.160
Yeah, that's what you know, it's it's but you know, it it you know, bringing that up, it's funny.
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.239
You know, we got all these World Cup fans over here right now, and a lot of them are from Europe and stuff like that.
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.679
And I've been watching like the reaction videos and stuff like that.
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.320
And so I've never been to Europe.
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.000
I've never I I guess that like makes me not cool.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.480
Um 46, never been to Europe.
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:28.639
So I you know, I know like you know, especially in the UK, like Americans sometimes pick on your food, you know, like how bland it is, you know, baked beans and sausage food.
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:29.599
Beans on toast.
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:30.559
Yeah, that's pretty much.
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:30.880
Yeah.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:37.440
No, I I I I don't have an opinion because I I've never been there, but it does seem like you guys have really shitty food over there.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.920
Um before we digress on that, I will say one thing, right?
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.280
Because I've because like your food is better than ours, right?
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.280
But this is key.
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.639
All right, our chocolate is elite compared to your guys' chocolate.
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:53.599
I don't doubt it.
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.280
Because all we have over here is like Hershey's.
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:01.599
Just to add to that as well, I'm sorry to any Americans watching this, you make a shit cup of tea.
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.639
I'm sorry, I've been we'll own that.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:05.599
Yeah, we'll own that.
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.039
That's totally on us.
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:12.800
No, I I think the funniest one for me, you know, and by the way, I'm I'm sure that your guys' food is not really shit.
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.679
I'm just playing around.
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.000
But it's all right, it's okay, but okay.
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:25.360
But the funniest thing for me was the number of TSA agents at the airport that were catching people trying to sneak ranch dressing back, like in their luggage, and they're like, You can't do that.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:31.440
Like, like and that blew my mind because I just thought you know, ranch dressing was everywhere, like in the world.
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:39.039
Like, you know, we don't have it, we just don't have yeah, and seasoning, you season everything over over there, right?
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.559
We don't redo the whole season.
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.079
I'll season salt on it, bit of salt, a bit of pepper.
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.440
That's the seasoning done.
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.960
Yeah, they were.
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.400
I mean, it was to the point that TSA actually started putting pictures in airport.
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.480
Like, hey, if you want to take ranch dressing back, put it in your check luggage.
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.440
Like, you can't carry that onto the plane, like specifically for fucking ranch dressing.
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.159
Well, that proves that you must be maybe we should start GTI ranch dressing.
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.480
Yeah, maybe we should start selling it under.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.800
Yeah, just I don't know why the American company has not brought ranch over to the UK.
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.400
It would be probably because it's made with ingredients that are banned over there.
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:22.480
Like maybe like half the shit we have over here, it's like, oh, that's actually banned in the UK or the you know, yeah, because of the there is a lot to be fair though.
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.280
There's certain like drinks of yours that we're not allowed in our because of sugar sugar levels content.
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.039
There's a lot of cereals as well, with your the sugar levels in cereals.
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.880
We're not allowed in the UK.
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.599
Um, so there is quite a few bits.
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:41.360
Um isn't it also if you go to like if you go to a subway in the UK, they don't you guys can't call it bread?
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.000
No, they do call it sub.
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.599
No, we could call it bread.
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.000
Okay, but we can call it bread, but we wouldn't go to subway and say I'll have a bread.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.519
We just say sub.
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:58.639
Well, well, I thought it was like like the amount of sugar that we have, especially in like in those subway sub the the bread loaves.
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.559
It's it's the sugar is so high.
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.159
We don't have sugar in our breads.
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.760
Your bread is a lot sweeter than what we have breads.
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.079
When when we went to uh what was that place Kalani Ghost Hunter took us to?
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:10.960
The steak place.
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.920
It's a very well-known chain in the States.
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.039
Texas Roadhouse.
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.960
We were to Texas Roadhouse, yeah, and uh they said, Oh, do you want some bread to start?
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:19.599
Fucking hell.
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.360
They brought this bread out, it was like going backwards.
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.679
It was like we had a starting with our dessert, right?
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:24.239
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.360
It was like you start, it's like why are we starting with a sweet treat?
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:27.920
Do you know what I mean?
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.679
They were like, Oh, have this bread to get you started.
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.599
It was like a fucking donut, mate.
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:32.639
I was like, What is this?
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.239
Put some cinnamon butter on it.
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.639
I was like, Christ, no wonder everyone's got diabetes.
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.519
That's what I was gonna say.
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:41.119
They put they even put the honey in the butter to make it even like more sweet, you know.
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.679
Just make, just have normal bread, mate.
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.840
Well, you know, so uh you guys just spent some time in Texas.
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.719
Um, so I imagine you guys got to try all kinds of great food.
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.119
Before that, because I remember when we're in Pennhurst, you guys said you were getting ready to go to Arizona, right?
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.280
Yes, we did Arizona as well.
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.239
Yeah, we've been there before before uh before Texas, yeah.
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.960
Yeah, so so to walk me through that trip a little bit.
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.199
So Arizona was a really cool trip.
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.280
We've we've we're very lucky that we've been to Arizona about four or five times now.
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.159
And a little fun fact for everybody watching at home.
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:34.800
Um, we are the international global um ambassadors city of Tombstone, which we're really, really like weirdly proud of that because they invited us in to investigate over there uh quite a number of different locations, the OK Corral um being one of them, which is super, super cool because they don't really let people go in and investigate that too often.
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.280
But the bird case, the bird case theatre, didn't you?
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.119
We did the police station.
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.159
We've been to been out to Arizona a few times.
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:51.599
But the latest trip, um, again, we were very, very lucky enough to um get invited down to the Jerome Hotel.
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:56.480
Um, and we investigated the Jerome Hotel and some of the stories from that place.
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:05.039
The investigation itself wasn't, it was a little bit active, not by anything crazy, um, but we were truly blessed to be able to go in there.
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:10.320
The whole city town of Jerome, just the way it's kind of layered up on the on the hills and stuff.
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.480
And then we got to spend the night in Scottsdale as well, had a night in um Phoenix.
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:24.880
So we kind of got to see every aspect within such a small trip, kind of three very different places on the uh on the Arizona map.
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.559
Everybody in Jerome was was just so lovely, honestly.
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:39.280
It just shows that huge divide between people who are well, I'll put it this way if you go out for dinner in the UK and the the waitress, they probably won't talk to you in the UK, I'm not gonna be honest.
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.559
What you want, here you go.
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:47.519
But if you did, if they did engage in conversation and ask you what you did, in the UK, you're almost like, oh fucking hell, I gotta tell them I'm a ghost hunter now.
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.280
Um, and sometimes you just make something up, you know, oh, I work in an office.
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.519
I mean, yeah, don't worry about it because you just can't be asked.
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.960
But if you said, Oh, I'm a ghost hunter, they look at you like, what are you doing?
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:58.480
Like you just ruined their Christmas, you know.
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:03.519
In America, places like Jerome, you know, anywhere really, hey guys, welcome in.
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.079
What do you do?
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.199
Oh, we're ghost hunters.
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:10.880
Oh my god, my fucking house is haunted, my fucking aunt lives upstairs, she's been dead 10 years.
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.639
You've got to go here, you gotta go there.
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.599
I fucking love it, and they'll take the time of day, they want to talk to you.
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:29.840
I just think that in the US, the paranormal kind of acceptance is just yeah, over in the UK, you're one step away from men in white coats coming to take you away, put you in a straight jacket, and lock you in a padded cell.
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.760
In uh America, they want to join you.
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:32.320
Do you know what I mean?
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:33.360
It's just fucking insane.
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.480
I love it, I love it.
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.679
Isn't you're not embarrassed to talk about it in America?
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.079
Yeah, uh we're we're pretty weird over here.
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.559
Um, you know, in a good way, maybe.
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:43.679
Um very good way.
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:44.880
Yeah, tombstone is funny.
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.760
We were just talking about tombstone before we came on the air, me and Paul.
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.159
Um we love Tombstone.
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.000
It's it is such a new well, for us anyway, you mean.
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.119
I don't know if there's other small towns out there like it.
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:04.079
Just the whole atmosphere where you can kind of you just walk down it and it's like you are taken back through time.
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:16.639
Yeah, and some of the places there you've got the Doc Holidays pub, you've got the Bird Cage, the OK Corral, you've got the Crystal Palace, the everything there is just like it is like walking through a movie set.
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.920
Catam has a very good story, but he's not I don't think he's allowed to tell it on this podcast.
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.440
I don't think we can tell that story on this podcast, no.
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:26.559
On this podcast, I don't know.
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.079
You could edit it out if it's no, if it's not allowed, I guess.
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.119
Yeah, yeah, go for it.
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:31.360
Yeah.
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.079
We're not gonna do Tombstone, and I'm a smoker.
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:41.039
Okay, and we sat there, there's myself down, I'm Charlie, our cameraman, all full of locals.
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.920
We've been having a bit of a chat, a bit of banter between us.
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.599
In England, we call cigarettes fags.
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:48.000
Yeah.
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:58.000
So I've sat in this bar in Tombstone, casually just got up, and I've gone, or I'm just gonna go outside and smoke a fag.
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:06.960
This cowboy guy with the gun holster stands up, pulls this gun out of his holster and goes, Where is he?
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:14.639
And I'm like, Yeah, oh shit, no, we're not gonna go, we're not gonna shoot a homosexual on the street.
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.559
Yeah, you know, well, wow.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.119
Well, here in America, we're we're pretty uptight about those words.
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:26.639
So, you know, before I came on air, I was talking to Paul who kind of like runs the media stuff here, and Tombstone actually came up.
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:33.760
I don't even remember what he brought up, but I but my reply to him was do you know Tombstone is the only city where somebody's actually ever pulled a gun out and pointed it at me?
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:35.519
This is a true story, by the way.
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:43.440
Like so, you know that you know, I I have you know, ghost city tours, and we run tours in Tombstone.
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:49.360
And when we opened up, um you know, I was there taking pictures at night, you know, for the website and all that kind of stuff.
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:55.039
And uh some guy walked up to me and he goes, You're that guy from that that ghost tour company that's coming into town, right?
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.079
And I'm like, uh, yeah, yeah, that's me.
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:04.079
And he pulled out a gun and he pointed it right at my fucking head, and he's like, We don't want your people around here.
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:16.719
Uh like you like like essentially implying like I'm an outsider, and like how dare you, like, as a uh a nationwide business, come into our town and like not be local, you know what I mean?
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:22.000
And and I wow and uh and I look at him and I like in my head, I was like, is this guy gonna shoot me?
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.280
I don't think he's gonna shoot me.
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.719
I think you know, like, but I'm like, do I want to take that chance?
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:27.840
Like, you know.
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.800
Wow.
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.559
Um's out really quick.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:31.599
Got it first.
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.679
Fuck, I wish I didn't have any guns on me.
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:34.480
I flew there.
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:39.280
Like, uh, you had a you had a gunfight in Tombstone.
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.039
On Allen Street, the main street there.
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:42.559
Yeah, on Allen Street, yeah.
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:42.880
Yeah.
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.880
No, he literally pointed a fucking gun at me and was like, We don't want want your company here.
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.760
And I was like, Oh, you know, well, I I don't know what to tell you.
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.679
Uh and then we opened up a week later.
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.440
Um, and I that's really weird because we've had complete opposite.
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:03.519
Every time we've been there and like the locals, yeah, we've we've got we've got a A really, really, really one of the coolest guys you'll ever meet.
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:04.800
His name is Bruce.
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.559
And um whenever we go there, he's always the first to welcome us.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.719
Like we keep in contact with him offline as well.
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.559
And whenever we're there, we he like takes us to all these different stores and meets takes us to meet everyone.
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.079
And everybody there is like, you need to get a shop here yourself.
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.719
Yeah, it's weird that you had that.
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:31.360
Interesting story, interesting story, actually, that we we nearly did purchase a shop on Adam Street.
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.440
Um, and we were gonna turn it into a kind of paranormal museum.
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.840
Um, but in the end, it just the logistics were just too hard, you know.
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:41.280
We're we're 10, 11 hours.
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:47.360
We could have got somebody over there to kind of man the store for us, and but just going over there, you know, I've got four kids and a Mrs.
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.119
Adam's got obviously a partner as well.
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:54.480
So having to keep flying over to manage this museum and the other side of the world, just it sounded great.
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.599
It sounded such a dream to have like your own like haunted museum in Tombstone.
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.400
But yeah, it's just uh logistically wouldn't have worked.
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.760
But no, we got on very well.
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:15.119
We we we went into the police station and held an AK-47 and a shotgun uh from the the police sergeant or the the head guy, whatever you call the guy, I don't know what they're called in America.
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.880
Um we went to the OK Corral and the guy there let us fire some guns.
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.400
Really interesting story there as well.
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:24.480
So we were in the OK Corral, and he was like, Hey guys, you ever you ever fired a gun?
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.079
And we were like, No, mate, I've never even really seen a gun, let alone held one.
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:29.760
You know, we just don't have it in the UK.
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.679
He's like, Come out the back, come out the back.
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.840
So we go out the back, and uh they do like um uh a gunfight, they do like a reenact, like uh what's it called?
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.760
A reenactment out the back in the okay corral of you know, Doc Holiday and then all I'm gonna shoot out.
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.800
And he's like, right, there's that wall there, hands us a handgun.
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:45.679
He's like, right, yeah.
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.920
They showed us how to hold it or whatever.
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.440
And uh, we just started firing this gun at the wall, right?
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.199
And um like bang, bang, bang.
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.880
And then all of a sudden you're like, whoa, oh my fucking god, the police are here.
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.440
Like you know, he popped his head over this wall.
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.599
He's like, Hey, John, everything all right in there.
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.960
He's like, Yeah, man, I'm just teaching these British guys how to shoot.
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:06.719
He's like, Okay, have a good night.
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:07.920
I was like, was that it?
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:08.559
Like, nothing.
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.559
I thought, oh my god, we're we're we're fucking we're in jail, we're going to fucking prison here.
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:13.199
Do you know what I mean?
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.519
He was just like, ah, have fun, boys.
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.360
Oh, okay, cow.
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:18.400
You know, it was great.
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:19.440
Welcome to America.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:20.639
We love our guns, yeah, yeah.
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:25.440
So, Texas, you guys spent some time there, you're talking about.
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.960
Uh, so New Yorktown, I've actually been there uh in Texas.
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.119
You guys said you spent some time there.
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.119
Uh, it's been a long time since I've been there.
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.840
I want to say I it's been like 10, 12 years since I've been there.
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.920
To be honest, all I remember about it was that it was pretty active.
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.719
And if I remember correctly, we were we thought we were talking to a nun.
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:45.760
Does that sound right?
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.559
Nuns.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.519
That's exactly the what we had.
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:50.239
Yes.
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.320
Yes, there's two nuns that ran this.
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:58.719
Uh it's an old hospital ran by a couple of nuns, uh, which later turned into a drug rehear rehabilitation center.
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:04.960
Um, but they detested, we were told on entry, uh, Eddie, the guy's name was that came to see us.
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.599
He was a great guy, very animated.
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.760
And um, he said, I gotta warn you guys, they fucking hate men and they fucking hate tattoos.
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.000
And we were like, Oh, I can't say okay.
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:16.639
Brilliant.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.960
We have a we have a we have a couple of those.
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:21.760
That's what I mean.
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.480
So uh anyway, yeah, so it was great.
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:32.880
So there's a couple of nuns, and he told us all about the murders that had happened at this hospital, and there was a uh a chap that found out his wife was cheating on somebody.
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:39.679
Um, so they he went in when they caught him in the act and you know, stabbed them all and killed them and turned the knife on himself.
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:39.920
Right.
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:47.920
There was also a whistleblower when the nuns were there and they found out that he was going to tell, you know, the the world about the mistreatment that these nuns were doing to the patient.
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.800
So they chopped him up into little bits and popped him in the furnace, and the furnace is still there to this day.
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:59.760
The blood spatters are on the wall still to this day, from where this, you know, this this this man went crazy to find out his his wife was cheating.
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:05.280
It's a very dark place, it's very, very there's nothing positive there at all.
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.719
Um, there's a lot of rats, a lot of cockroaches.
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:14.320
But one thing they did say when we walked in, there he goes, now guys, you gotta be we've got Godzilla here.
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.079
We're like, what is this guy on about?
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:16.960
What are you on about?
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:18.079
Godzilla.
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:18.880
I was like, right, okay.
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:24.079
He goes, It's this fucking 15-foot snake, and I keep it here to eat the rats.
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.599
And I was like, Oh, every time we opened the door or opened the cabinet, we were like, Godzilla, is he is he in here?
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.280
You know, making sure that there's no massive.
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.920
We still don't know if that's a true story or not, by the way.
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:38.079
But we we we just went with it because he was at the snake.
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.800
And he'd giving it a name and everything like that.
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:52.000
We weren't gonna we weren't gonna mess with him, but but uh no, uh, any paranormal teams watching, if you get a chance to visit Yorktown Memorial Hospital, great place, great location, very dark, very active.
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.000
It was great, really good fun, really enjoyed it.
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.119
Scary for once, you know.
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.239
We don't get scared too much.
00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:06.960
We we speak about because we've done it for so long, sometimes we can become numb to activity that happens around us, and you know, something that happens to the viewer, it will blow their mind.
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.719
But because it happens to us on a regular occurrence, we almost dismiss it, you know.
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:16.639
But really, it's like fucking hell, that said that, or that noise made was made over there, and we just oh, there's a tap over there.
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:17.840
But what made that tap?
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:18.800
Why is it making that tap?
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:19.519
Do you know what I mean?
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:25.440
So Yorktown was one of the first investigations that kind of brought us back down to Earth and thought, fucking hell, we're I'm scared of it.
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:27.280
Yeah, a little bit scared to me though.
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.440
And it was, it was it was really cool.
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:30.880
Those are always the fun ones.
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.400
Um, yeah, because like you said, after a while you kind of become numb to a little bit of this stuff.
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:42.320
Like uh you do, like even at my house, uh like I see shadow people fairly often the point they don't even bother me anymore.
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.199
Like I used to be like if one would walk out in front of me, I'd jump and be like, you know, oh fuck, like you know, that kind of stuff.
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.320
Um the last one I saw, I actually reached out and tried to touch it.
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.000
I was laying in bed and it walked by my bed and I was like, I'm gonna see if I can try to touch this thing.
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:58.800
Um I don't know that I did, like if and if I did, I didn't feel anything, but yeah.
00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.440
Nothing happened.
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:06.320
Yeah, you kind of kind of become numbed to it and you kind of look for like the next high or something, you know, like the next big things that can keep out of here.
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.840
If anything move seconds, I'm just gonna have to pluck get my portable charger.
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.519
I've just had a notification to someone 10%.
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:12.559
Sorry.
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:13.519
Apologies.
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.119
You don't have to run.
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:20.239
I mean, it's a great visual, but we head around the house.
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:32.800
You just grab it and then it's uh so you know, where where we're at, we're actually right outside of New Orleans, and uh I think we've been told to come to New Orleans so many times, so many times.
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.800
We've never been, you know, because of who we are, we have relationships with everybody, you know, all the hotels and restaurants and you know haunted museums.
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:48.880
Like we just um you know, because our tours frequent a lot of these, so you know, and and you know, it it's in their best interest to be associated with us as well because of how yeah big of a company we are.
00:50:49.039 --> 00:51:21.119
So, yeah, if you guys ever come to New Orleans, like I could we'd love to be on our hit list for a long, long time, but not just New Orleans, like there's there's there's some places in America that we would love to get into, and there's some of the older hotels and they they they do they allow paranormal teams in, but it's getting them at a time when one, they've got no bookings or trying to get it that far in advance where they've got nobody else in there and stuff like that is really, really difficult sometimes to kind of find these places where there's nobody's slaying that night.
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:22.239
Okay, let's have that night then.
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:22.960
Do you know what I mean?
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:24.000
Yeah, well, you know what?
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.599
I obviously I have no idea what the next few months for you guys look like.
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.239
Um, but in October, we're holding a special event.
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.960
We actually rented out a whole fucking hotel here in New Orleans, one of the most haunted hotels in New Orleans.
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:41.360
Like we rented out every room, and we're just gonna have a couple influencers come from out of town and like do some ghost hunting stuff.
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:47.920
So if you guys are coming back in October and you wanted to come to New Orleans, we could probably get you this access that you've been looking for.
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.360
Uh we're in October.
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:50.480
Is that Paracon?
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:52.559
No, no, that's November.
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.679
We're in um we're in New Jersey in November, aren't we?
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.519
Yeah, no, this is not Paracon or anything.
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.039
This is just like ghost city tours.
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:05.119
We're just like, fuck it, let's go rent a hotel and like have all the rooms and you know invite some people into town and do some ghost hunting.
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:12.719
I actually think uh I think Steve and Dave might be coming down, and Nick and Tessa might be coming down too, I think.
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:20.960
Okay, like um, I don't know if you guys won't say how to plan your vacations to America, but if you guys happen to find yourself.
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.199
Uh in a coming.
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:23.840
Yes.
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:25.280
We've seen them in a coming, yeah.
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.360
They're coming over to the UK to to the paracons that we're running over here, so that'll be really cool.
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.679
We briefly met them uh at Penthurst.
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:32.800
They seemed really, really nice.
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:33.119
Yeah.
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:37.119
Um, so yeah, looking forward to them coming over to uh to Sunny UK.
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:37.599
It'd be great.
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.440
Steve's not coming to the UK, is he?
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.440
I know that guy's terrified of fucking planes.
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:49.679
Like he refused unless you put him on like the Titanic or something, he's not you know coming over like um no.
00:52:50.239 --> 00:53:04.079
That's one place we've always wanted to uh to investigate as well, is one of the Titanic museums in America because obviously that British connection um is most probably one of our most requested American um investigations.
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:08.000
But we've just never managed to to kind of get it over the line.
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:12.960
So if uh Titanic are watching, um, we'd love to come over and and and do something with you guys.
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:19.679
Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a big one for us, and um, like I say, it's uh most probably our most requested as well.
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.599
We could probably get you into one of them.
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.119
Like, you know, I might just be awesome.
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.039
Saying this to sound cool or powerful, like we really know almost everybody.
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:33.440
We've been close a couple of times to kind of getting it over the line, and then we've either been busy or then for something coming up there the next day.
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:35.920
We went we went to the Titanic Museum, didn't we?
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:42.079
In Pigeon Forge, and um the people there were like, Oh my god, we know you guys, we love you guys, we watch your stuff.
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.239
We were like, Oh, can we speak to somebody in charge of events?
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.320
We got an email, we emailed them.
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:47.440
Nothing, yeah.
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:53.840
Yeah, that that um that's actually the one I was thinking of because we we were on tours in Gatlinburg, which is just you know 15 minutes on the road.
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.519
Yeah, right corner, yeah.
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.800
So we we went to the one in Pigeon Forge, it was fantastic, you know.
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:08.159
So if there's any chance we can hire out the museum for an evening or an afternoon or something and do an investigation, our British audience, as well as some American audience as well, we'd love to be able to do that, you know.
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.199
Yeah, well, we might be able to make that happen for you.
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.000
We'll see.
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:19.920
Um, you know, but even in like so, regardless of when you guys come to New Orleans, you like let us know because we can actually hook you up with some cool stuff.
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:21.360
100% we will.
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:34.719
We'll we'll we'll stay in contact after this and uh we'll we'll work on some of it because it's been on our I I weirdly I was supposed to be going to New Orleans this year because New Orleans was given uh completely off topic, was given WrestleMania originally, wasn't it?
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.400
There was supposed to be WrestleMania in New Orleans, and then they moved it to Vegas.
00:54:38.400 --> 00:55:00.320
Or I was supposed to be going to New Orleans before they moved it to uh to Las Vegas, but just the stories, the history, and it is most probably where everywhere we go in the States and the amount of people that we meet and we talk to about what we do, the number one place on most people, I'd say nine out of ten people's list of saying, Oh my god, have you been here?
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:00.960
Have you been there?
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.079
You gotta go to New Orleans, you gotta go to New Orleans, man.
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:05.199
You need to go there.
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.119
The history, everything.
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.480
Yeah, it's on our list, man.
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:18.559
Even what I'm thinking, I'm thinking I was like, shit, if you guys come out here, like I could put you guys on an airboat and have you what's the what's an airboat?
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:23.280
So an airboat, it's one of those flat boats that has the big fan on the back that they use in the swamps.
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.199
Oh, is it like yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:30.239
And I'm thinking because I know a lot of voodoo practitioners and voodoo priests and everything around here.
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:36.559
Like, I know a lot of people in the voodoo community, so I'm like, shit, I could put these guys on an airboat with some of these voodoo practitioners.
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:49.039
Have you guys taken out into the swamp where they actually used to do voodoo rituals back in the 17, 1800 hundreds, have them do voodoo rituals while you guys are there, and that would be incredible.
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:58.559
So it's completely authentic because these aren't actors, like these are true voodoo priests and you know priestesses, and you know, I could make that happen in like two days.
00:55:58.559 --> 00:55:59.840
Like, you should absolutely come on.
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:01.760
Oh, that would be unreal to do that.
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.320
Yeah, because we we we did that at one point.
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:09.840
Um, you you we've actually probably seen the footage, Carter, like our voodoo ceremony we filmed and stuff.
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.840
Maybe no, I I have I've never seen that.
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.360
No, it's it's in the archives.
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.679
Um I do have friends with airboats, though.
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.440
See, we fucking know it.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.239
We know everybody.
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.280
Let's made this happen.
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All right, let's get back to the show.
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.440
You know, another one, have you guys ever been to Savannah, Georgia?
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.440
You know, talking about really haunted cities?
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:32.320
Holy shit.
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:33.440
No, I know.
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.400
Like Georgia's also, we have been told about Georgia.
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.519
Yeah, so so Savannah, Georgia, that's actually where I started this company.
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:40.800
I lived there for a couple years.
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:47.039
I, you know, New Orleans gets all the credit, but I actually think Savannah might actually be more haunted than New Orleans.
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.199
Uh like if you ever get a chance to go to Savannah, Georgia, same thing with that.
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.679
I mean, a lot of good locations.
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.239
You know, you guys could get into them or we can help.
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:00.480
Like Savannah, New Orleans, uh, I mean, Salem.
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.079
Have you guys been to Salem, Massachusetts?
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.199
Oh, we live on Salem.
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.360
Yeah, we live on Halloween as well.
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.000
No shit.
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.119
Let me tell you, you guys are gonna do Halloween so much more than that.
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.280
Yeah, you're asking how you do Halloween.
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.599
Halloween's like an afterthought, isn't it?
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.480
Yeah, it's an afterthought here in the UK, you know.
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:22.719
Uh, but over there, it everybody put so much effort into their costumes and you know, dressing up their houses.
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.719
And yeah, we absolutely love Salem.
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.800
We did uh we've done a couple of investigations there, actually.
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:28.800
We did the no, we've done one investigation.
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.360
Yeah, we don't we investigated John Procter House.
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:32.480
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.920
Yeah, that's definitely one of the more historic houses there in town.
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.679
Um Proctor House.
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:41.119
And obviously Salem are now getting the Annabelle doll, aren't they?
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.559
They're yeah, they're bringing all of that over to Salem, aren't they?
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:50.719
And uh Elton and Ginger and Matt Reif, that's gonna be home to the Annabelle doll now as well, isn't it?
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.039
Yeah, not everybody's thrilled about that though.
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.119
Um mostly Salem residents.
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.440
You know, they're like, we didn't we don't want that here.
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:09.440
Um and I'm not gonna get into the whole drama with Elton and Matt and versus the rest of the paranormal community, it seems, but uh, you know, uh yeah, it it it's definitely an interesting situation.
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:16.239
On one hand, like I'm I'm glad that you know they're they're they're making an effort to make this stuff more accessible to people because that's cool.
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:18.239
Like, you know, people get to go out and see this stuff.
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:27.519
On the other hand, I'm gonna be completely honest, like, and I and I might be in the minority here, I don't know that like Annabelle's actually haunted, like, for example.
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.320
Like, I don't know, like I don't know if I buy that whole story.
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.199
And and on the first admit, I could absolutely be wrong.
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.800
I actually don't know enough information to form it to form an honest opinion.
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:49.840
Yeah, and when you walk through, I don't know if it's placebo, whether it's your brain kind of feeding into the the history of her.
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:57.599
When you walk through the front door of the Warren's house, uh-huh, you know, you know, as an investigator yourself, some places you walk through, you feel nothing.
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.239
Some of the places you walk through, you you get this mad rush.
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.079
There is a mad, mad rush of energy.
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:11.679
The the minute you walk through their front door, and when you go downstairs and you you you go through the tunnel that leads to the to the museum.
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:17.039
I have done it long enough to know what my normal feelings are.
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:28.639
There is a feeling that I can't put into words when you are walking down that tunnel towards her that I've never ever felt anywhere else.
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:35.199
And again, you know, obviously, you know, we we we we don't get involved in the drama or say I've you know I've seen both sides of the story of her moving.
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:41.039
I can only go off our own experiences that we've had with Ginger and Elton and Rick and others at the at the venue.
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.840
They've always been the most wonderful people to both myself and Dan.
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.159
Right.
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:56.480
Um, and when you go in and you see Annabelle there, you I physically can't put into words how it felt.
01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:04.000
And when we were there, we got some very, very clear EVP responses when investigating her.
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.360
This is only our personal experience from her.
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:08.400
Do you know what I mean?
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.400
She is an attraction, uh-huh.
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.559
She has an aura about her.
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:17.840
Whether it's off the whether off, whether it's placebo, I don't know.
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.760
But the actual evidence that we got from her was very, very good.
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.239
Okay.
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:23.199
Well, that's what I said.
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:26.320
I don't know enough, but in my head, just everything I hear, I'm like, really?
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:28.800
Like, is this so you know?
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:33.519
I'm not gonna get into the whole story because I know that our audience here has heard this a dozen times before.
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.719
We had Annabelle in New Orleans, like she came to our store.
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:42.079
You know, they brought her down to the store, and uh then things went chaotic in New Orleans.
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:43.360
We had a plantation burn down.
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.920
Um restaurant, oh yeah, I remember that.
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:46.960
Yeah, I remember that, yeah.
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, and then a few days later, part of Marie Laveau's house burned down, all these prisoners escaped.
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.039
So, this is gonna sound very egotistical of me.
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.519
Um, I got blamed for that.
01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:59.119
Like for real.
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.119
Like you personally got blamed for that.
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:03.519
I got I got personally fucking blamed for that.
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:13.280
So, you know, and not by like sane people, because sane people realize that's a stupid, like I didn't fucking do anything there between that burning down and what you've done or been doing.
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:14.880
Yeah, no, like it's in the newspapers.
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.360
Like, you can go find you can fucking Google this shit right now.
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.400
It's your fault for bringing them Annabelle over, yeah.
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.480
So my company here, we stopped counting it like 60.
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:51.599
I got over 60 death threats, like legit fucking death threats, because people thought that uh you know, me allowing Annabelle to come to New Orleans caused all this this damage, and then it turned into all this other crazy stuff too, because it was a plantation, then race got brought into it, and all of a sudden Tim is has all you know and like it, and I'm like, Jesus, yeah, just like traction it.
01:02:51.599 --> 01:03:00.800
Yeah, like and uh it even got to the point where uh you know, I was talking to some sheriff's deputies, and they're like, Yeah, we know all about it, we know who you are, and like you know, all the stuff that's going on.
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.920
I was like, Well, and what I did because I'm beyond your back.
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.199
No, well, nope, nope.
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:08.239
No, what I did because I'm an American, I can go do this.
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.559
I went and bought six more fucking guns.
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.159
And uh, but yeah, we got we got blamed for that.
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.440
That was actually kind of funny.
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:21.360
So, you know, we you mentioned that you were getting EVPs and and uh you know other evidence when you were investigating Annabelle.
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:26.000
Like, can you go into detail about what was happening when you were investigating at the warrants?
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:30.719
The EVPs that we were getting were they obviously they're not gonna be nice, they're very derogatory.
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.320
It was a lot of get the fuck out of here, fuck off, we want you to die.
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:39.519
Uh there was a lot of like fuck gods, uh, there is no heaven, all of that kind of thing.
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.920
So it was it was semi-religious, weirdly.
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:43.760
Yeah, it was weirdly, wasn't it?
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.840
We've never we've never really had that too much, it's never been really held.
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:50.000
And we're not religious people either, are we?
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:51.199
So no, we're not.
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:52.239
We're not religious people.
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.760
I mean, we believe in something.
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:55.920
I don't, you know, 100% believe.
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.599
If you're really good, you go and float up into the sky and you're with all your family.
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:03.440
If you're naughty, you go down with all the murderers and burn for eternity.
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:04.400
You know, I don't know.
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.000
It might be, I don't know.
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:16.079
But whatever was coming out of the doll was very negative, was very kind of devil-like, fuck god, you know, are you all gonna die, burn forever, all that kind of thing.
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:18.639
Um, which is weird because we've never had that before.
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:47.599
Yeah, you know, so we always say this when we go to say a prison, we will get a lot of EVPs that relate to the place that we're in, which kind of solidifies and it's an intelligent response for us as paranormal investigators to gain in you know uh relevant words and relevant sentences, relevant history in a particular location is fantastic evidence because it means it's not just nonsense coming through a word bank or you know, some you know, the e the REM pod, you know, interacting with the EMF and all the E VPs.
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:49.920
So to get relevancy is is brilliant for us.
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:55.599
So, you know, if we go to a a prison, we don't get things that are related to you know a town hall or something.
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:02.079
So when we were with the Annabelle doll and it started coming through very blasphemous, is that the word I think it is, yes.
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:11.519
Yeah, um, and you know, it it put us on edge a little bit because we're thinking, ooh, because I'll be honest, I thought it was she was a little bit of a gimmick.
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.079
I thought it was gonna be a bit of an attraction thing.
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:17.280
Come and see the world famous haunted Annabelle doll, you know.
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:22.800
But uh when you are physically stood in front of her, as Adam said, there is something off.
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:27.039
She's got an aura, the vibe is off, she's very negative.
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.000
Um, and you almost don't want to be near her at all.
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.440
Even though in your mind you're thinking, fucking hell, Dan, it's a it's a negative and doll in a glass cabinet.
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:36.639
What's it gonna fucking do?
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:37.920
Yeah, but you just don't know.
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:46.480
You don't want to tempt fate, you don't want to say anything just because of the stories that you've heard, like the plantation burning down, like the prisoners escaping, like people, you know.
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:54.239
Rick, the nicest guy ever, he was telling us about people that dropped down dead or had accidents after visiting the property and speaking ill of Annabelle.
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:58.400
Um, and he's always said to us, Annabelle is just the name that we give the doll.
01:05:58.400 --> 01:05:59.760
You know, what is actually inside.
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.599
Could be, you know, it could be anything.
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:06.239
Um, but yeah, it was very negative.
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.480
And um we actually slept over one of the evenings.
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:11.280
We've done it twice.
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:16.880
We start decided we were gonna sleep the night there, and that night, all three of us, uh, I very rarely get nightmares.
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.719
Uh, even our cameraman.
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.599
Um, we had all of us had horrific dreams that night.
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:31.519
And I'm talking about murdering our family and you know, things that you could you would never normally even contemplate of thinking in your head that would transpire into a dream or a nightmare.
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:36.880
Yeah, but these dreams were horrific, you know, chasing people around with knives, murders, killing, blood, guts core.
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:41.119
Um, and I had them for three, I had them for three consecutive nights.
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:46.400
Three consecutive nights, the worst dreams you could imagine.
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:47.920
Then they just stopped.
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:54.559
Then when we went back again, I don't know if it's something within your brain, you kind of so I thought, I wonder if it happens again.
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.119
I came home from investigating her again.
01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:58.800
Didn't it didn't happen?
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.320
So it only happened the first time that I that that we investigated her.
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.119
The the worst dreams, three nights on the bounce.
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:07.039
But it makes you think like, is it placebo?
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:11.280
You know, you're thinking, oh, she's fucking horrible, she's a she's evil, she's the devil, she's a demon.
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:13.199
And you go to bed thinking that.
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.159
So you you're you know, that's gonna play in your mind.
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:16.800
I don't know.
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.840
So there's there's this place that I went that I I talk about frequently.
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:21.599
It's called Old South Pittsburgh Hospital.
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:22.320
It's in Tennessee.
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.400
I don't know if you guys have heard of it or or been to Tennessee.
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:25.280
I've heard of it, yes.
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:26.079
I've heard of it, yeah.
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.920
If you guys get a chance to go there, I've been to a shit ton of haunted locations.
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.079
This is the most haunted place I've ever been.
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:37.760
And uh long story short, you know, I I I'm not religious myself either.
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:44.960
Um, so that that's why I sometimes feel funny using the word demon, because I'm like, you know, like I don't really think they're like Satan's army or whatever.
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:51.760
But yeah, what whatever you call those things, like I'm very certain that we ran into one of those at Old South Pittsburgh Hospital.
01:07:51.760 --> 01:08:00.400
It's the only one that I've ever ran into because uh like in that part of the that specific room where this was happening, you know, things became very violent.
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:06.000
Um, even during EVP sessions, the like the kind of EVPs you guys were describing, you know, very similar.
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.000
Um and what was even more weird is that it like knew everything about me.
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:16.960
Like, because once I started getting the feeling that this is like not normal, I would ask questions like from my childhood that nobody knows the answer to.
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:18.560
And it fucking knew the answers.
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.279
Then I was like, what the fuck are we dealing with here?
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:26.479
And uh when I went home, you know, so this lasted for almost two years.
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:33.680
Like the the horrific nightmares you guys were talking about, and mine I mean, mine were mine were very similar, like not always the same.
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:38.319
And I don't I don't like talking about them too much because I feel like if I talk about them, it's gonna like bring them up.
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.159
Reignite it.
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:44.159
But like, I mean, not every night, but I mean this went on for two fucking years.
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:55.600
I mean, people I had a hard time with people coming to my house because if they'd come to my house and like hang out and watch a movie, at some point during that fucking movie, you know, they would get pushed on the couch or scratched or their hair pulled.
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:59.279
And you know, for normal people, that's enough to make you want to leave the fucking house.
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.920
Like it's like, you know, something pulled my hair, I'm out of here.
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.000
Um, yeah, that went on for like two years.
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:17.760
So, you know, what you guys were describing with Annabelle kind of jives with what I've personally experienced when dealing with something that, you know, I'm not calling it a demon, but it it definitely did not feel like a normal haunting or a normal ghost to me at all.
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.319
Yeah, it was I think it's it was off.
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.079
There was something off about a very off.
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:32.720
And again, I think you know, every every aspect of the paranormal, especially with you know, people that put content out as well, is there to be scrutinized.
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:38.560
It's it's human nature that if you put content out there, you're kind of opening yourself up, and we accept that.
01:09:38.560 --> 01:10:09.520
And I think that um no matter what we say or what uh anybody else says about her, and I call her as her, Annabelle, I think unless you've been there yourself, unless you've physically stood there in front of you, you you can't you kind of don't have a right to turn around and say it's bullshit or it's not true because you've never been if you've been there and you've stood in front of her and you think it's bullshit, fair play.
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:10.159
Right.
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:18.319
But somebody to sit here and and talk online and be like, I think it's a load of crap, and I think it's okay, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it.
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:25.359
But until you've physically been in that presence, I would hold off on your judgment.
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:26.159
Do you know what I mean?
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:34.880
Well, that's that's why I am holding off on my judgment because like I my opinion right now is it just all the stories, it's like it just seems too fantastical.
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:42.560
And that's why I was like, We say that about a lot of the things, a lot of locations we go to, and they're like, This has happened there, this is happening there, and you know yeah.
01:10:42.560 --> 01:11:04.000
If it it's the same with some of our investigations where we tell stories to people that we we've got all of our investigations on video and they're out there, but we tell people the story, and you kind of sometimes you're telling the story yourself, and you were and I'm like, if I flipped the rolls here and he was telling me if you were telling me this story, I think you were a nutser mate.
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:04.880
Yeah, exactly.
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:05.840
Yeah, totally.
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:13.920
I would think you are sitting here talking the biggest amount of bullshit that can come out of anybody's mouth.
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:15.840
Yeah, no, no, it no, it's true.
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:26.720
I mean, I I don't I I have a hard time believing anybody, you know, and and what's funny about and you guys are probably in the same situation, like you guys have experienced some crazy stuff that like you said, nobody else would believe.
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:32.319
But when somebody comes to me and tells me stories that are even similar to mine, I'm like, hmm, are you sure?
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:37.039
And I know that's not that's not that's not fair of me at all, but like that's just how my brain works.
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:46.239
It's like really kind of touching back to what we spoke about earlier, about like TV and stuff like that, and on the one-upmanship and all stuff.
01:11:46.239 --> 01:12:04.960
And again, no disrespect to anybody else that's you know on TV or has done TV, you know, me myself and Dan as Ghost Trip Investigation, we've most probably in the last three or four years, we've most probably been approached by about five or six different TV companies that wanted to work with us.
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.800
And we've always said no to TV.
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:13.119
And again, no disrespect to anybody that has done the TV side of things.
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:22.159
I think what makes us more appealing to a lot of people, not to everybody, because I know some people love the TV stuff, is the fact that we are live.
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:28.560
We're not governed by any network that are saying we need to make this a good episode.
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.720
I'm not saying that does go on.
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.399
I we are just happy doing our own thing.
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:37.039
We've turned down TV multiple times.
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:42.159
Um and we loved doing the it the way that we're doing it now.
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:47.920
Yeah, I think just to kind of summarize us with it being online and things, this there's millions of people online.
01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:51.840
We had a huge boost of people coming into the internet through COVID and whatever.
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:56.800
And I think the paranormal is very much like aliens, it's very much, you know, like all the mythical things.
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:02.239
If, you know, with football, for example, okay, excluding the World Cup, but I always use this analogy.
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.039
So, football, if you love football, you're gonna watch it.
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.560
If you don't like watching the football, soccer as you guys call it, you're not gonna watch it.
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.880
With paranormal, whether you believe or you don't believe, there's still that intrigue.
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.520
So it does and it can appeal to everybody.
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:20.000
Even if you're not a believer, you'll think, all right, well, let's all right, let's fucking watch this then.
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.319
Let's see, you know, what they do find.
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:27.600
So it's not just cut and dry, you know, it doesn't separate an audience that, you know, it doesn't cut off an audience.
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.600
It includes everybody, skeptics, believers, non-believers, whatever you want to call them.
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:33.760
Um, but it I think it just appeals to everybody.
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.279
And that's why we love doing it online.
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:45.359
We can reach a huge audience, we can be true to ourselves, we can explain things in our way without, as Adam said, being governed by, you know, some kind of producer or guys, what does that mean?
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.479
Throw a tap on that wall, throw a rock, whatever.
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:49.439
We've got to make this good.
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:50.800
We can't put this out on the telly.
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:52.640
An hour of silence, load of bollocks.
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:56.479
Uh, that's another word, apparently, that the US didn't really understand us saying it paracetry.
01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:57.439
Bollocks.
01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:58.079
Yeah, bollocks.
01:13:58.079 --> 01:13:59.760
Yeah, we love that word.
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.159
Um, but yeah, we we love the live aspect.
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:09.359
We love, you know, us also being, you know, entertaining and making people we've we've had people, um, we went to a GTI wedding.
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:15.119
Uh people that moved off on Facebook, and uh they were just chatting away.
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:21.359
Oh, I like I watch GTI, they're in up one of our fan pages, and we we got invited to their wedding and they got married.
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:25.039
So there's probably gonna be GTI babies, and you know, it's great, it's great.
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.960
It's more what me and Adam do, I think, is more than just ghost hunting.
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:38.800
We've brought people together, we've got an amazing community, um, and it is almost like just a huge GTI family, you know, and they'll support us wherever we go, whatever we do, which is fantastic, you know.
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:46.079
Um, and that's that's what I think social media should be all about, you know, creating these communities um and having some fun along the way.
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.800
We love what we do and we love the support that we get doing it.
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:56.640
Yeah, I will the idea being be building a community, I I actually think that's the next step of entertainment, you know, even though that doesn't seem like they're directly related.
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:04.800
Like we've been, you know, we invest a lot of money here at this company uh into like you know, infrastructure and studies and marketing and like all that kind of stuff.
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:09.600
And one of the problems we've been working on lately is what is the next step for paranormal entertainment?
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:17.760
You know, because the paranormal entertainment itself is probably there's probably more people interested in it right now than ever before.
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.720
Agree, like especially it's right up there, isn't it?
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:21.840
At the moment, the peak.
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:30.159
Yeah, I mean, like even the crazy stuff like right now with like the UFOs and the UAPs and stuff, like our silly governments, like you know, starting to release all this stuff.
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:31.920
Everybody's becoming very interested in it.
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:42.319
But but there's no, you know, back in the day, you know, you had like the sci-fi channel or travel channel that had all this money that they could put behind promoting these things, and it was a very like unified effort.
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:49.279
And now the entire paranormal community is very fragmented, like everybody's kind of doing their own thing, which by the way, I think is a good thing, you know.
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.159
Like you said, like not having a producer telling you what to do.
01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:59.520
Um because we worked with a producer a couple years ago, and the the project ended up falling apart for for two different reasons.
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:11.199
But one of them was the the idea of faking stuff, like they were literally they they would come to these meetings with ideas on how they were gonna fake stuff that day to make it look like seriously, and I'm like, I can't, guys, I can't do that.
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.720
You know, my company's always prided itself on having an integrity when it comes to this stuff.
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.479
I can't do that, same as us, yeah.
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:32.960
Um, and even on the other side of things, I don't know how how much you guys are interested in Bigfoot and Sasquatch and all that stuff, but I am obsessed with anything space related, UFOs, mythical creatures, Bigfoot, fairy, all that, you know, all that everything.
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:33.520
I love it.
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:33.920
I love it.
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:40.399
Yeah, so we I'm not gonna mention his name, but we have a pretty well-known buddy in the Bigfoot community, and we're talking about like the Bigfoot shows and stuff.
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:47.680
And you know, he he was like, you know, we had to fight to keep our show true to what we're doing because the producers wanted us to fake everything.
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:52.880
And there's there's other shows that have come out since, and even watching them, I'm like, these have to be fake.
01:16:52.880 --> 01:17:03.680
And you know, this person was like, without saying yes, he was like, Yeah, there's no way that all that stuff's actually happening, like and it makes you look at all that very differently.
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:04.960
It's like, can't believe anything.
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:14.640
Do you know what it's it tarnishes people like myself and Adam and yourself, Tim, but because like it's it's put putting us all on you know that kind of fakery kind of sheet, right?
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.560
Where if if they're doing it, they must be doing it.
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:17.439
Do you know what I mean?
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.720
Everything is is is faked, and well, I think I just I don't know.
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:27.279
Well, I think that's another huge advantage of you guys doing this live because you know you'll always do it live for that exact reason.
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.680
Yeah, yeah, nobody could be like, oh, that's AI.
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:31.199
You know, you made that video later with it.
01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:50.000
Yeah, and I think the paranormal world in general is very critical of of of of of itself in a way, because I think you know, you like I kind of touched on it earlier about you know, you could you could actually capture a ghost walking through a wall, and you're still gonna have people that turn around and say that that that's not that's not real.
01:17:50.000 --> 01:18:00.079
That's obviously been something, and it's kind of like you you you you can't win sometimes, no matter what evidence that you put out there, there's always going to be people that will will doubt it.
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.159
But on the flip side of things, we actually love that.
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.840
I love having a com an adult conversation where it's not mud slinging backwards and forwards.
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:11.520
Why do you believe?
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:12.960
Why don't you believe?
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.520
And I love an adult conversation around disbelieving.
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:24.800
And I love having conversations with debunkers that have come to me and said, okay, so this piece of evidence, can you tell me this, this, X, Y, and Z?
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:29.840
And actually sitting down and saying, okay, these were this was the scenario, this is what happened here.
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:38.239
And then it's kind of like you you see in their brain a little bit where they're like, okay, it makes a lot more sense now.
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:46.960
And I think there can be a lot more done with with, especially with content creators, um, debunking themselves a little bit, uh-huh.
01:18:46.960 --> 01:19:05.680
Because I think there is a there is that element of, you know, stuff gets put out, and to anybody with half a uh uh an intelligent mind can turn around and say, okay, well, there's a number of different explanations there before you should get to the paranormal explanation.
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:13.760
And one thing myself and Dan do um is we do go out of our way, even during our our live streams.
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.520
Yeah, if something happens, we will go to that room or we'll try and debunk it.
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:18.880
Are there windows open?
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:20.159
Are there is this there?
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:21.119
Is that there?
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:26.159
And again, I think that's one thing that I'd like to think that does make us sort of stand out a little bit.
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:39.600
Yeah, we we go as we want it, we try to debunk things so much that we on every investigation we pay somebody to sit there and record the entire live stream during the live stream.
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:44.319
His name's Rich uh and or Gibbsy, depending on who we say, Rich, can you send that over right now?
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:45.520
We're gonna review it live.
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:51.520
So we'll clip that bit, it'll send it over, and in front of the 10,000 viewers, we'll all review it live.
01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:58.000
We'll review it live so they can't say, Oh, you've doctored that after the event, you know, you've you've messed about with the footage.
01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:04.239
We'll say, Nope, send that bit over right now, and we'll always take pride in, you know, being completely truthful and honest.
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:09.279
And if it's not paranormal, we're gonna say, guys, debunked, that was not paranormal.
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.920
That was the the heat in pipes, that was the wind, whatever.
01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:21.600
Um, because we just feel like the it's not becoming a joke, but there's so many people out there fighting for, especially with social media, fighting for attention, fighting for views, clicks.
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:27.439
And there are certain channels which, you know, they are an entertainment channel that you can clearly see it's fake.
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:31.840
But these it's the teams that uh are saying that it's all legitimate, it's real.
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:35.279
And from a an investigator's point of view, you could tell it's a load of bollocks.
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:36.239
Do you know what I mean?
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:48.560
And we we pride ourselves on being completely genuine and authentic because hopefully people are going to want to tune in to that authenticity and watching something they know is real if they have a true interest in the paranormal, you know.
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.960
Well, there's always do you want to know what sorry to digress, but just very slightly.
01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:57.119
Do you know what I hate within this, like with our in our community?
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:01.199
The words I hate, you're not doing that correctly.
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:01.840
Oh, yeah.
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.960
I I that's the fucking textbook.
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:06.720
I hate that terminology.
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:09.039
When we do an investigation, we put videos up.
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:10.800
Well, you're not doing that correctly.
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:11.359
Yeah.
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:12.640
Who who says?
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:13.199
Yeah.
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:17.920
Because you your way of investigating is very different to our way of investigating.
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:19.840
There's no school for what we do.
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:20.239
Right.
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:26.560
We're all kind of learning on the job as we go along and we get wiser and we get older and we've done it for a long time.
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:27.279
I hate that.
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:28.640
You're not doing that correctly.
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.199
Oh, I wouldn't do it like you can't be doing it, shouldn't be doing it like that.
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:32.560
No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:35.199
I hate that terminology of what we do.
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:41.279
Or the, or they, or they watch something and they come up with their own interpretation of it that's so ridiculous.
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:42.800
And then they'll argue with you.
01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:48.319
So the last piece of paranormal evidence I put up, I was actually at uh Rolling Hills Asylum up in New York.
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:49.680
I don't know if you guys have been there or not.
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:51.279
It's a we haven't yet, no.
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:52.800
It's a really great place.
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:58.960
And I recorded a fucking shadow figure walking right across the hallway in front of me.
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.800
And there there was a window at the end of the hall, maybe 15 feet behind it.
01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:15.279
I mean, even as it's passing like the window, and like, you know, it's this is I mean, in my opinion, it's one of the better videos of a shadow person that that I've ever seen, even though I just took it myself.
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:25.359
I mean, it it if you know what you're looking at, there's really no like you could dispute what it is, but there's no disputing the fact that but there is movement, there is something, yeah.
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:33.039
And and the number of people that were like, Oh, that's your shadow, uh, that's all this other like, and I'm like, motherfucker, I'm standing still.
01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:35.920
Like, you could tell I'm standing still on a fucking camera.
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:40.880
You could tell that I did not come out of that fucking room and go into that fucking room, but that's what this did.
01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:50.720
Like, and but I think there is a whole debunking community, which I think can actually do more harm for a debunking community than what they're actually trying to do.
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.680
There's there's there's multiple people, and I don't know if it's the same in the States.
01:22:53.680 --> 01:23:09.439
We've got a few in the UK that they do debunking videos on sort of popular paranormal teams, and they'll go through a a debunk where they're they're showing clips, and it's like what they're debunking and what they're portraying is facts, they're actually getting wrong themselves.
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.119
Like, for example, like we had we had one that that went for one of our videos.
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:16.880
We've got a touch-sensitive bear, it's a touch-sensitive bear.
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:18.960
And during our mascot, is he?
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:20.800
Yeah, he's like our little mascot.
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.840
And during the debunk video, he's gone.
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:28.159
Of course, that bear's about to light up because it's REM activated.
01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:35.680
And it's like the information that you're putting out there as fact from yourself is completely wrong.
01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:49.920
And you've got a following of people that are taking your word for gospel, and I think they can do more damage to a we, I mean, we it's water of a ducks back to us, but I've seen a lot of sorts of the smaller teams that are just enjoying what they're doing.
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:54.560
The information from these debunkers that it that's being put out is incorrect.
01:23:54.560 --> 01:24:03.600
But because they've got a bigger following, it's automatically shit on this small team because the misinformation that's been put out about their investigation.
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.800
Well, see, see, I I I do this podcast for fun.
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:12.239
I I I mean, we make a little bit of money from monetization or whatever, so I don't have to worry about offending anybody.
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.560
Um, so I could just say whatever the fuck I want.
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:25.279
Um, so so I've been you know this whole debunker thing, because you brought this up a couple times now, and I held my tongue at first, but so this is not every debunker.
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:30.079
I think I don't know, fuck 75% of these people that call themselves debunkers.
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.520
What they do is they they say, I'm a demop I'm a debunker now.
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:39.279
And somehow in their mind it gives them some moral high ground where they think that they're better than everybody else.
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:51.199
And by the way, they're not all of them, because and and by the way, I do think obviously debunking is important, but there's there's a there's a lot of them where I'm like, this person is just a miserable piece of shit.
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:57.359
Like, because all they do so actually, I so there's this one guy I don't I do not know his name.
01:24:57.359 --> 01:24:59.119
I think he's actually from the UK.
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:03.119
I want to say his username is something about a beard or something.
01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:03.680
I don't know.
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.960
I don't know, you're talking about so so, anyways.
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.840
Okay, so if you know I actually don't remember his name, but I think that if but if you know who I'm talking about, whatever.
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:12.880
Um that's cool.
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:27.920
So so for some reason this guy started popping up on my fucking um feed and like I don't follow him, I don't give two shits about the fucking guy, but I'm like, you know, like I I I think what happened is I made the mistake of clicking like read more because I was like, oh, what's he talking about?
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:31.840
And then Facebook thinks that I want to see this shit more, so now I do.
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:36.880
Yeah, I mean he's just a miserable fuck.
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:48.319
I mean, like, like all they do is just bitch, and it's it's almost like uh yeah, like I'm I call myself a debunker, therefore I have the moral high ground, I know better than all these people.
01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:50.640
They're trying to fool you and I'm trying to save you.
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:52.720
Meanwhile, like I'm I'm reading some of this.
01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:56.319
It's almost like a knight in shining armor sweeping across the room.
01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.760
Yeah, and it's kind of like look at me, I'm here to save the day.
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:01.760
And also, as well, sorry to interrupt you there, Tim.
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:07.760
I also think a lot of them are failed paranormal investigators themselves.
01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:08.560
Oh, of course.
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:18.560
Where they've been out, they've wanted to get an audience through their own investigating, they failed to gather a following from their investigating.
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:26.079
Yeah, so they've then thought to themselves, well, I can't get the audience and the the claim of being a good paranormal investigator.
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:31.039
What else can I do that's going to get me an audience but keeps me within the field?
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:31.840
Yeah.
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:34.399
Let's go shred everybody else apart.
01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:34.800
Yeah.
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:38.079
And you know, it's so transparent what they're doing.
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:38.960
At least to me it is.
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:40.720
I'm like, because I've got that opinion too.
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:49.840
It's like those people who can't make it as musicians, so they hate every new band that comes along, even though they try to sound like them, but they suck, you know.
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:51.600
Um, you know, slipknot sucks.
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.399
I'm like, well, you're your band kind of anyways.
01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:56.720
Um, yeah, it's the same thing with these debunkers.
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:01.680
I do think good debunkers are very valuable to the community, but I think debunk, yeah, yeah.
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:09.840
But debunking is certainly important because, you know, like we touched on earlier, there are a lot of teams out there that are just out of the clicks, the views, you know, look at this, oh my god, look what I found.
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:14.640
And it is important that we do separate the teams that are going out there finding genuine evidence.
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:16.399
Okay, they're having a laugh while they're doing it.
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.600
They're not messing about with the paranormal side, you know, like me and Adam.
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.279
We have a lot of band there, we have a lot of laugh.
01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:23.119
We take the paranormal side very seriously.
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.920
But there are a lot of teams out there that are just out for clicks and whatever.
01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:31.600
Um, and it is important that there are debunkers out there that say, look, we're gonna separate the good from the bad, you know.
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:38.640
Um, so people don't think that the, you know, the fake stuff is the norm, that you know, all this activity should be happening all the time.
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:45.760
As we touched on earlier, me and Adams have been out so many times and fuck all's happened, and we've just had to, you know, make it entertaining from a me and Adam perspective.
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:50.800
But it's important that the community and the people that watch these shows do understand it's not Hollywood.
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.359
Not every time is going to be a fucking blockbuster.
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:59.760
So don't expect these people that you're watching, and there's you know, things are flying around the room, and all this shit is not the norm because otherwise.
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:04.560
You're gonna watch the real deal, and as we said, paranormal investigating is boring.
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:12.800
So we don't want you to think that you know when you're watching something real, it's boring because it's fake, and you know it is boring, unfortunately.
01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:14.079
Yeah, it it is boring.
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.239
It's just you know, some some of these people take it too far.
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:21.920
Like, you know, that guy hasn't popped up on my field uh or my uh lucky you're feed for a while.
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:33.600
I think that you know, if you're gonna if you're if you're going to be a debunker, I think if anything, the debunkers should come under more scrutiny than those that he's scrutinizing themselves.
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:40.560
Because, like I say to you, you've got people that are taking the word of what these people are saying is gospel.
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:52.079
If you're going to debunk something, you have to be 100 million percent correct on what you're debunking.
01:28:52.079 --> 01:29:01.680
The paranormal is based a good 60 percent, 70% of the paranormal is based on opinions at the end of the day.
01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:15.439
Like I said to you at the start of what we were talking about, unless you were there, you cannot categorically state as fact that something you've just watched on the internet is fake.
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:16.000
True.
01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:30.800
And you you have to have an ego to believe your own words are stated as absolute genuine fact.
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:35.840
And I like I said to you at the beginning of this, I could watch someone's video and go, I think that's a load of shit.
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:38.560
Was I there to say it was a load of shit?
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:39.920
Absolutely not.
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:43.920
So does that then move from the realm of fact or to opinion?
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:45.600
It's an opinion.
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:49.439
You can't state that what you're saying is a fact.
01:29:49.439 --> 01:30:01.119
That's where these paranormal debunkers go wrong because they're not stating facts, they're based on opinions, and none of them will turn around and say, in my opinion, I think it's always this, this is right, this is right, this is right.
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:01.680
I've proved it.
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.560
You haven't proved nothing, you've just proven yourself to be a bit of a prick.
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:05.199
Yeah.
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:08.159
Very true, words have not been spoken.
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:14.640
Um, we've I've kept you guys for a while, and I'm, you know, I don't want to take up your whole evening and stuff.
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:22.239
So, you know, uh like like looking forward, you know, what what's I I I think I asked you guys this at Paracon, and your answer is pretty simple.
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:24.000
But like, like what's next for you guys?
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:27.680
Like, what are you what you know, what are the what does the next 12 months look like for you guys?
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:28.800
Are you guys you know what?
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:32.720
We we are so excited for the next 12 months.
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:34.319
We're thoroughly enjoying what we do.
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:36.880
We in we've enjoyed what we've done for the last five years.
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:40.319
Um, and as is as I mentioned, the community behind us is amazing.
01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:43.439
So, yeah, I mean, we're we're looking to obviously come to the States a lot more.
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:45.199
We try to get there every four weeks.
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:50.000
Uh, but hopefully, too, with your help, we can visit some of these incredible places that you've got access to.
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:55.920
Um, so for for GTI, we've got a few more exciting things um on the horizon.
01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:58.000
We've been filming a few things in a studio in London.
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.760
New things we can't talk about, just can't talk too much.
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:05.840
Um, there's potentially a children's book series as well.
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:06.159
Nice.
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:07.920
Uh, we can't say too much about that either.
01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:08.880
But yeah, do you know what?
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:10.079
It's we're just having fun.
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:12.079
We thoroughly enjoy the paranormal.
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:14.479
It started off as a hobby and it is still a hobby.
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:21.520
You know, we we're both very much interested in finding answers, but alongside it, obviously, we we we create content for the internet as well for others to enjoy.
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:30.800
So the 12 the next 12 months for us are building the brand, getting to see more places, um, and hopefully finding out what happens when we die.
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:32.560
Good luck with that.
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:41.199
And getting over to America, like Dan said, we listen, we we we love our UK audience, we're British, we're proud to be British, and we love everything about being British.
01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:46.720
We love America, we love coming over, we love everything about it.
01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:48.560
Everybody's so welcoming.
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:56.640
And since we've we've you know, we've been been doing the American hunt, our American audience has grown massively, and we love that.
01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:58.319
We love interacting with you guys.
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:02.560
And we said it at the power at the Paracon when you was interviewing us at the Paracon.
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:10.800
Your country's so big, we will never ever run out of places that we can come over and investigate.
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:16.960
So expect to see us over in the States a lot more over the uh the next 12 months.
01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:21.920
Yeah, and just a massive thank you to anybody in the in the states that has encountered us or whatever.
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:29.520
Honestly, thank you just for like extending us the hospitality, just for yeah, just like we feel like we are at home.
01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:32.000
We always say we get off that plane, don't we go?
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:32.800
Ah, we're home.
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:36.239
If I could move to America tomorrow, I fucking would.
01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.600
Uh I I have a house to sell.
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:40.720
Um down here, you know.
01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.600
You don't want to live in Louisiana, though.
01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:45.119
You know, I'm actually glad to hear that.
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:53.600
You know, and and I wish like not that you know my podcaster has the power to change America, but you know, there there's so much negativity in America right now.
01:32:53.600 --> 01:33:08.399
Like it's so divided, you know, that half the people here hate America, and uh it is really good to hear, you know, whether it's you guys or all these World Cup fans who are coming here and they're all like, wait a minute, like this isn't the America we heard about.
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:29.600
I know, I know uh, you know, Americans aren't so high on soccer, as you say, but I think this World Cup has kind of proven one thing, and it's not to listen to the mainstream media because it's always been you're not safe here, you're not safe there, this country of idiots, that country of it, they're gonna come over in cause trouble.
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:39.520
The all I have seen, yeah, all I've seen all over social media regarding America and this World Cup has been nothing but positive.
01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:45.760
Yeah you're seeing fans that have been told their countries hate each other dancing on the streets together.
01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:54.479
You've seen fans that would never usually come together, enjoying hospitality, having fun, having a beer in the pub together.
01:33:54.479 --> 01:34:02.159
Yeah, and I think that if one good thing can come out of the World Cup and it being in America is a hope, it shows the world.
01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:04.800
Yeah, world peace.
01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:05.119
Yeah.
01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:15.840
But without standing all, you know, just go over, enjoy America for what it is, because trust me, it is a fantastic country.
01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:21.359
We love it, and I think the rest of the world, after this World Cup, are gonna start realizing, you know what?
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:22.720
You've been missing out.
01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:24.079
It's fantastic.
01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:31.920
We're in a good position to be able to stay, you know, we're very impartial, we've lived in the UK, we've been to the States every single month for the last two, two and a half years.
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:38.720
We visited lots of different places, met lots of different people, and I can categorically say it's brilliant, everyone is lovely.
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:45.279
We've never ever really had any negative experience whilst in the United States of America, and you know, touch wood.
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:47.039
Long may that continue, by the way.
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:47.840
Yeah, yeah.
01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:50.239
So uh God bless America.
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.119
It's true, and maybe soccer will become more popular here.
01:34:53.520 --> 01:35:02.960
Do you know one thing I would say about American sports, and this is only off the limit because I say we've been to one basketball game, I've been to one ice hockey game, um, kind of seen a bit of baseball games.
01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:07.279
Do you know what I will say as an Englishman, sort of from the outside looking in?
01:35:07.279 --> 01:35:16.800
Every single game is a spectacle, and it kind of starts as a spectacle from the minute that you get in and you take your seat.
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:20.399
There's something either going on on the on the ice or on the field.
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:37.119
Then, like when we went to watch the ice hockey game, for example, you had all the lasers coming on and the players coming out singing the national anthem, and then the D52 bombers and the patriotic stood there singing the national anthem, and then like it's from start to finish, it's it's more of a show.
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:52.239
And I love that about your sports because British football soccer, for example, you turn up to your seat five minutes before kickoff, you're not allowed any alcohol on the stands, they don't let you allow, they don't allow you to have a beer watching, so you have to wait till half time.
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:59.439
You only get 15 minutes half time, you go downstairs, have a piss, have a quick drink, watch the there's no showmanship to it.
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.560
It's literally out, play, done.
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:03.119
Right.
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:04.079
Yeah, that's it.
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:06.640
They're all it's all about efficiency over there.
01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:15.039
Yeah, you've got your cheerleaders, you've got your fucking jets going over, you know, your eagle swooping in.
01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:16.319
Ah, mate.
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:19.840
We got a couple of dusty pigeons flying across the pitch to get chewed off.
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:21.039
Do you know what I mean?
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:29.119
So, you know, without keeping you guys here forever, uh, so if people wanted to you know watch any of your videos, like learn more about what you're doing, where can they find you online?
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:34.319
So we are on all social media platforms, and uh we're verified on the majority.
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:37.359
It's just ghost trip investigation, GTI.
01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:41.840
Um, you can watch on YouTube, it's our kind of polished American visits.
01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.840
Uh, we have a videographer that comes with us.
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:45.680
You get to see a little bit of behind the scenes.
01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:49.039
So there is a little bit of that Brit in America kind of culture as well.
01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:56.960
You can see us trying new things, having a night out, going to see some of your kind of really, really cool attractions uh and landmarks, and then the best bits of the hunt.
01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.479
So you haven't got to sit there for four or five hours watching the dead space moments, you know.
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:04.960
Uh, if you want to watch one of our live investigations, we do those on TikTok and Facebook.
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:09.119
Uh, we usually do four investigations every single month, uh, one a week.
01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:17.199
So uh yeah, just follow Ghost Trip Investigation and you'll be able to keep up to date with where we are and when we're out to provide some entertainment and hopefully some spooky findings.
01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:19.840
Yeah, I didn't I didn't know you'd do an investigation a week.
01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:23.680
Like, yeah, I do think it's pretty much been like that for the last five years.
01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:33.439
Five years again, I do think again, I know we're kind of wrapping things up, but I do think there is this misconception nowadays where it's like the paranormal is the easiest thing to do.
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:35.840
You put a few videos out online, you get a follow.
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:43.199
It has taken us five years of hard graft live streaming once a week.
01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:48.960
And you know, like I say, the UK is fairly small, but people see you live for five hours and think that's your job done.
01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:52.800
They forget about the two hours that we've had to travel up the country, two hours back down home.
01:37:52.960 --> 01:38:04.640
You know, then we've been out in London in the middle of the middle of fields in January, in minus three, in the pissing rain, you know, after an investigation, and everyone else is at home watching, tucked up in their bed.
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:12.800
And now it's time for us, we've got to get all the gear together, we've got to get back in the car, we've got to go and stay in a two-star hotel for the night, get up at the crack of dawn, drive three hours home.
01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:13.520
Do you know what I mean?
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:19.359
Get back, you've got screaming kids, you know, that they don't they don't see that, they just see the four hours that we're live.
01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:20.479
But you know, that's part of it.
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:22.960
We're not gonna moan and complain because that's part of it, you know.
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:30.399
If you've got to take the rough or the smooth, but I just think that some some some people just think that, you know, you're out there, you look at living the high life.
01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:31.439
It is the high life.
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:32.560
We love it, it's great.
01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:41.279
We get so many opportunities, but you've got to be prepared to be stood in a muddy, shitty field at three o'clock in the morning in the rain in minus four with nothing happening, you know?
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:41.920
Yeah, miles.
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:48.720
Five and a half years of hard graft going out there, putting content together.
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:58.000
And listen, we are so fortunate to amass the the I mean, uh, collectively, I think it's around about four, four million followers across all of our pages.
01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.800
We are super blessed, we are super lucky.
01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.760
Um, and long may it continue.
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:05.760
We we've got so much more to come.
01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.720
Well, I think that's a perfect place to end the podcast.
01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.159
So um, well, I really appreciate you guys stopping by.
01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:17.920
Um thank you as much on everybody behind the camera as well.
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:20.960
Thank you so much for making it happen, for inviting us on.
01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:21.920
We've had a great time.
01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:25.680
We we've got to say it in the UK.
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:27.359
I don't want to blow smoke up your ass.
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:30.479
I don't know if you say the same thing in the US.
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:38.000
There's some podcasts that we've we've we've done, and it's kind of a bit like so tell us about genuinely, my friend, it's been a pleasure.
01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:42.159
You've been fun to talk to, you've made it fun for us as well.
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.000
So um, thank you for that, my friend.
01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:48.560
Yeah, no, I I appreciate the compliment and and uh right back at you guys.
01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:57.119
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