Wellness Advisor to Tom Brady & Sofia Vergara Reveals Her Secrets to Love & Longevity

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As a caretaker, when we're caretaking for someone, we're not taking care of ourselves.
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[upbeat music] In today's episode, I talk to a celebrity chef who works with Tom Brady, Sofia Vergara, Jerry Bruckheimer, and worked with Hugh Hefner in none other than the Playboy Mansion.
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And you would think our whole conversation is about eating healthy and making the most amazing meals, but the truth is, what this show gets into is how we show up in our relationships, especially as over-givers.
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When you over-give to your parents, to your kids, to your team, to your spouse, maybe to your friends, and how often that over-giving not only feels bad, but it really makes you sick.
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My guest completely transformed her life and is now nutritionist and wealth advisor to superstars. Hi, my name is Andrea Miller. Welcome to Getting Open. Let's get into it.
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Serena Poon, CN, CHC, CHN, is a certified nutriti- nutritionist and celebrity chef, Reiki master, and the wellness and longevity advisor to A-list clients.
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Serena is also the founder of Just Add Water and co-founder of Fully Aligned Co LLC, along with famed Harvard geneticist and professor, Dr. David Sinclair. Welcome, Serena. I'm so excited to have you on Getting Open.
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Yes, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.
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Let's start with your personal story because it is both extreme and relatable, and my sense is it is through the grave health challenges your parents faced and that you faced yourself put you on such a powerful personal and professional wellness journey.
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Will you tell us what happened? Uh, yeah, sure, and, and, uh, and thank you. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share. Uh, so my journey began actually, and as you said, with my parents.
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I was still in college, and I was, I was studying at Berkeley.
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I thought I was going to be the first, you know, attorney in the family, a first-generation Chinese born in the US, and clearly I was supposed to be an attorney or, like, a doctor or a CPA.
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And I was, you know, so I was in pre-law. I was studying political science at Berkeley.
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And, um, during my senior year, my daddy was diagnosed with, uh, stage four liver cancer, and he was very young at the time, just in his 40s. And it was one of those things where he had a, he had, you know, a condition.
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His, his grandpa actually passed the same thing. He had Hep B, and he had... You know, his grandpa also had liver cancer. So he was aware of it, and he kept track.
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You know, he did his, you know, did his six-month checkups, and then somehow between two of them, um, he went from being told, uh, "You're, I guess, fine," because there was no concerns, and then six months later he was told he had four.
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So, you know, that was, that was shocking and devastating. And then of course, you know, very true to my culture, my parents didn't actually tell us, uh, for a while.
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So I saw my dad, and I guess, like, my dad had got into a car accident, and, and it, you know, they, they kind of blurred why, but really he had passed out in, like, a parking lot and hit one of those columns because I came home.
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I was in college, and I came home. Um, can't remember which break it was, but I came home, and there was a different car, and you know.
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And so it had probably been going on for a few months before, um, our, my parents finally told me. And, and then that just sort of changed life, you know.
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Because here is someone, and my daddy is my knight in shining armor. He always will be. And so when I saw my dad, he was already starting to deteriorate. You know, he had already lost some weight, and he already...
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And, and that, I mean, it just changes your whole perspective, especially when someone is, you know, the, they're the piece- pillar of the family. He's the one that brings everyone together.
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He's sort of like everyone's dad at work.
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And so he, he deteriorated pretty rapidly, and I think really at the time he was probably, like, eight months, and somehow my daddy stretched it to a little over a year that he stayed with us to make sure everything was okay.
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But he really suffered, you know. Um, and during that time,
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you know, everyone, we're all so helpless, and he's, he's doing chemo and, you know, radiation, and our, our relatives are h- bringing, you know, like, weird Chinese herbs and smuggling those Chinese tea that...
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So he was doing that too, but it wasn't, it really wasn't helping him. So I started looking at plants and herbs and just different things, anything that could help, you know, alleviate his discomfort.
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And at the same time, I realized there was really no... There was no focus, but there wasn't e- It wasn't even focus. There was really no conversation around food at all.
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You know, so if he needed some, to eat something that had nutrients in it, it was just get down a, a hard-boiled egg, which unless you really love hard-boiled eggs, it's kind of hard to get down a dry, you know, dry yolk hard-boiled egg.
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So,
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so that experience, um, really just sort of shifted things for me, and I'm a caretaker and a healer at heart, and it's painful to watch someone that you love so much go through that and not be able to do anything for them.
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So my mentality at that time was already, you know, how other... It- the whole family, everyone, everyone,
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everyone suffers alongside, you know, and everyone is-We are grieving, but we're also in pain. And going through the whole process, it, it affects the person who's sick, but it affects everyone.
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And at the same time, my father was carrying so much guilt because we were suffering, which a person who is unwell and not, and fighting for their life should never have to carry that weight. And people do, right?
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And so, you know, he passed after a little over a year, he transitioned. He was only 48. And then my mom, um, was diagnosed with a rare form of ovarian cancer within two months of that.
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So then we kind of, we hadn't grieved, and then we started on that journey. And, um, I think my daddy was looking out for her, you know, like her angel. And she... And it was a very... It was like a one in one million.
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And so she had to have a instant hysterectomy, couldn't go on hormone. She was 45. And then she had to go through her own, um, you know, treatment and therapies with chemo and radiation.
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And, uh, and that was, that was the beginning and still remains to be the driving passion be- behind what I do.
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Uh, it was after her experience that I'd made the decision to go to culinary school to study food as medicine rather than to go to law school, which was jolting for my family.
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Um, kind of like, like white sheep to black sheep. But that's okay, it all worked out. All of them. [laughs] And, uh, and, and it was, it was, it was such a gift
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in some ways actually to really see, see the experience of food not being utilized as medicine, to being in an environment where the focus is on food, not just the enjoyment of it, where it becomes medicin- medicine for your heart and your soul and your mind and your emotions, but also, you know, to...
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and studying the, and studying nutrition and really understanding how food is medicine for our body. And that became, that's the beginning of my journey. But of course, you know,
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as a caretaker and as a woman, you know, and all the women out there know, and not to say that daddies don't also know, but when we're caretaking for someone, we're not taking care of ourselves.
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So I ended up building, creating a lot of inflammation in my own body, and we have this very misguided sense that if I suffer for someone that I love, then they'll get better, you know?
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Or somehow they'll, they'll benefit from it, and it's okay to sacrifice that so as long as they're well.
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So I eventually had, uh, so much inflammation, I kept getting sick, and I had to have a surgery to remove damaged tissue that was in my chest from all that inflammation.
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And from that surgery, I got MRSA, uh, M-R-S-A, which is a deadly staph infection. And then that became my own personal journey for the next eight years and eight surgeries, one of which I almost died from.
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And along that way, and I, you know, I don't wanna go too... You can ask me questions. I don't wanna take up all of the time talking about this.
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But that was where I really learned so many different modalities and ways of healing and what brought me to where I am today from, you know, what, what we call biohacking now, I was doing 10, 15 years ago.
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Um, all the therapies and light and oxygen and everything you could think of, all the different modalities, I was doing that with, uh, my own body, which then, you know, I transferred to my clients and into my practice.
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And never, ever just, just continued to add different experiences and modalities and realizing that there's always more. There's always another way. Really just about figuring out what the recipe is per person.
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You know, what is it that their body needs? And our body tells us. Just like when you're looking at a one small little place, you're not gonna see the whole big picture.
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And so in that process, I developed what I call culinary alchemy, which is a method of kind of applying food and supplements, um, and the way we connect with the food as nourishment, as medicine for the body.
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And it, that just became one of a larger picture of my ethos, you know, my method, which I call holistic lifestyle medicine. Holistic with a W, um, where there's six. Um, you know, this is how we teach.
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You know, this is how I approach my practice and just my entire, um, philosophy and my ethos when I'm teaching people even online. Well, congratulations on taking so much heartache and grief and loss
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and alchemizing that into such a beautiful life. And in part, I'm just... There's, there's a lot to cover, but just as a, y- you know, so many of us, everybody faces setbacks and hardship and unexpected loss.
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I mean, your dad was so young. That's so tragic. And what you've done with it is beautiful.
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But I wanna, I wanna give a quote just to really drive this point home, 'cause I think it's really important, because what you've described, how you...
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I don't think it's too extreme a statement to say you made yourself sick. You didn't do it intentionally, but how, how, how extreme caregiving, and even, I mean, there's so much data for women who
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feel like they always need to be nice. I mean, right? And I'm not saying, I'm not saying being nice is bad.
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But, like, when you do these things to an extreme and you don't care for yourself, it's, it's, it becomes no bueno. So here's what you say: "All that mattered was the health and happiness of my loved ones.
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I took it upon myself to be the ultimate caretaker, making it my passion, my mantra, and my goal to make sure that the people I loved were happy and healthy.
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But in doing so, I overlooked my own health, heartache, and trauma from what our family had gone through.
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My good intentions and drive for healing others led me to a place where I was sacrificing my wellness-For the sake of helping others.
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And just about every woman listening to this, and a few of the men, are going, "Oh my God, thank you," because that, that describes so many of our lives. Yeah. Yeah. It does. It does. And, you know, there's,
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there's a beauty in that, in that we love so much, and we love so deeply, and we wanna be of service to others, and that's beautiful. But at the same time, there needs to be...
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And I don't wanna use the word balance, but, you know, we don't... We have to factor ourselves into that service and that beauty and that love for others.
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We need to love ourselves equally because we overlook ourselves, and we literally, we literally take ourselves out of that collective group.
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You know, when we're talking about, you know, that the, the people I love, we don't count ourselves, and so we forget. Well, totally. Yeah.
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Yeah, and I just, I mean, when I think about how hustle culture is glorified, and that's total BS, I would even say martyr culture, and it's well-intentioned, right?
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But it is so misguided, and then you see what it gets propagated through a lot of, um, if you will, mainstream media, and maybe a little bit less social media because I th- you know, as, as fake as so much social media is, I also feel like a lot of people are trying to keep it real.
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But I just feel like, um, in a lot of cultures, sounds like Chinese culture, American culture, um, my husband's Indian, I mean, Indian culture as well, like really putting everybody else first.
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But I love what you say on your site. You say, "I learned to balance my energy and to take care of myself first so that I can take care of everyone else around me."
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And I just wanna say, you know, hugs and high fives, sister, because when we can...
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But wh- and when it doesn't feel like it's Sophie's Choice, when it really feels like a wise choice, um, to me that amplifies what we have to give as, I mean, particularly as, um... Well, in all the roles we play.
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Whether, you know, I was gonna say working moms, but it doesn't matter. Whatever role, whatever caretaking role we're in,
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to have that wisdom, and I'm saying this, like, with a lot of passion because a lot of people haven't gotten that memo. I think I only recently got that memo. Y- I mean, and I, I, I've d- And I've...
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Thank you so much for your kind words. I also have to acknowledge that it took me a long time to learn that. I mean, I had to get sick. I had to almost die, you know? Yes.
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And I, and it, and- And that's a lot of people... happened multiple times. And even now, even now,
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it's so natural to, the, the inclination to give to someone else, that to serve someone else, to take a small sacrifice on yourself and your time and your needs so that someone else can feel amazing.
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I mean, that feel good, feels good for us too, right? The, it's, it's so natural. So I literally have to schedule in.
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I, I treat myself, you know, my self-care and the things I do for myself like a meeting, you know, that I would have for...
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I schedule it in, I do it ahead of time, and I make it, you know, I make it in- not quite a non-negotiable, but pretty close. Like, this is something that's important to do.
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And I think, you know, we always talk about, oh, you know, the whole oxygen, you know, you put the oxygen mask on yourself first. I mean, that's great. It's also overused, and it doesn't connect to people.
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I think what helps- Well, that's, that's also survival. Like, we're not talking survival. Like, I wanna thrive, so the... and I am thriving so the people around me can thrive.
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So my cup is full, now it's overflowing, and I wanna pour cups, uh, pour, uh, uh, all the good stuff into everybody else's cup. [laughs] I mean, think about it. Think about the difference, the difference you feel.
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Think about the difference it is in an action when you're feeling good, when you're feeling, you know, you're feeling rested, you're feeling well, you're feeling abundant.
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When you're feeling great and you go do something for someone else, it could be as simple as, you know, making someone a meal.
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That process is a different experience than when you're making that exact same meal, could be the same recipe, but you were dep- you were wiped out, you were exhausted. You know? It's a different experience.
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And so I think that's a good reminder for ourselves, you know, rather than something that it's like, oh, the oxygen first, and the safety vest and all of that.
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Uh, I mean, that we tell ourselves, but we still don't practice it.
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But if you think about how, how good it feels, how you feel when you're doing something for someone else and you're in a great state, you know, you're in a great state, what you're offering and what you're doing and what you're delivering is also very different, um, than when you're depleted.
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Well, totally. And I, I, I talk about, uh, my parents l- you know, from time to time on, on my show. My dad, shout out to, uh, Mike Miller, um, you know, he- just extraordinary guy.
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He is the sole caretaker of my mom, who has dementia and severe COPD, and they live in Georgia. I live in Colorado. And, um, when I go home, when I go or, you know, back to their place, f- pretty often it's such...
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Serena, it is such a big difference. Like, I'm making the meals and I'm doing the stuff and whatever, and, you know, half the time I'm working or whatever, but it's like I show up with so much joy.
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Like, I show up with gratitude. I show up presence, and it's like everything shifts.
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And I can do that now because I've done some, so much of my own work, but I also really prioritize my rest, my wellbeing, and it's like game changed.
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And it's like even if I wasn't making food or any of that stuff for them, it wouldn't even matter. Like, they don't, they're not... What they want from me- Your presence... is for me to be tuned in. Yeah.
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Just your presence, and you being, and you bringing that lightness. You know, you bringing that frequency, vibe, frequency, as you know.
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You bringing that frequency elevates the whole, the whole, the whole environment, elevates them. And that's- Well, I love to say... Oh, sorry.
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Go aheadI was just saying I think that's something that we forget, you know, because it's not a tangible, is that the higher, the more nourished you are, the better you take care of yourself, the higher your frequency is.
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And just being in a room, just being present with others helps elevate them when you are, when you are in that place. Well, totally.
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And you talk a little bit about manifestation in your work, and one of my favorite, like, big ahas is from Neville Goddard, and it is simply this: everything and everybody is you pushed out. And that is, to me,
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there is no refuting that. And then when you take that to heart, and when you take it to the extreme logical conclusion, you're never a victim,
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and you've got complete agency, you've got unlimited power, and to your point, it all comes from your, your energy, your frequency. And the more that I've taken that to heart personally...
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I mean, listen, I still have p- problems, and I still, you know, every now and then I'm like, "Oh, shoot, what I'm seeing pushed out is not so pretty [laughs] right now. What do I need to change?"
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But right where it's all signals coming in, and if we can meet these things as signals, and these problems, and people, and so forth, as signals to say, "How do I need to show up more for myself? How do I need to..."
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Like, I'm, I'm also, like, way into the energy stuff, and it's like how can I go from a chaotic energy field to a more coherent energy field?
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And it's like as I practice that, it's like, oh, my gosh, just like a laser beam of light, like, it's not scattered and diffuse. It is, it is, it is strong and coherent. And it changes, it really changes everything.
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It does. It changes everything in that moment, and it changes everything in all the moments that follow. You know? And it can just be, it can just be seconds.
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I just, I think that, I think that e- especially in this day and age, you know, we've got AI, and things move so quickly, and our attention spans are zero, we've forgot how much sovereignty, you know, we actually have.
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We forget how much choice we have. And we do relinquish a lot of choice to our externals.
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I mean, that's, that's essentially our medical system, which I can see, especially over the past two and a half decades that I've been pr- I've been a practitioner,
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you know, w- people just sort of naturally, without thinking, give up their sovereignty. They give up their, they give up their choice to someone else to make a decision for them with...
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There's no way anyone's gonna know as much about you than you if, if you choose to know yourself. You know? If you choose to know everything about you, there's no one else that can help you make a better decision.
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They can help guide you, especially if you share that information, depending on what the specifics, what the expertise is. But we forget that we have sovereignty.
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We always have, and we always ch- you know, we always will, and that we have choice.
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So when in that, when you remember that, everything that comes in front of you, whether you like it or not, you know, can be shifted, can be changed, um, and, and it, and it's just, it c- it completely puts a different perspective on everything when you look at it that way.
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Yeah. Thank you. As I'm like, you know, like, ah, for, for anybody who's listening, you can't see how excited I am, and I'm like, my arms are waving [laughs]
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because I hear the word sovereignty, and again, particularly for women, I mean, for men too, but so often we forget. And you talk a lot about even in terms of health, how, how we're here to help our bodies remember.
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And I've done a lot of embodiment work, and I wanna really get into that with you too.
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But I love that word remember because so often, I mean, when I think of sovereignty, like, to me, it is a sacred remembering versus saying, "I have to learn it. I have to figure it out. It's hard."
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And instead, I feel like when, I mean, just really tapping into your sacred divine energy, both for men and women, it's like our bodies know.
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But we get, to your point, we, we get misled in thinking all of the information is outside of us, and then we outsource it to doctors or to other so-called experts. And by the way, you're an expert.
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I mean, there are a lot of great experts that will teach the rest of us, but, but I feel like all of us really just need to be trusting filters, like, and asking good questions when it comes to our health and wellbeing.
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Yes. I mean, I think, and I, and I, I, I, I like to, you know, I guide, I guide the people that I work with. I mean, they would say teach, and there is teach, but most times I'm really giving you reminders. You know?
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It's about remembering yourself. You know? It's about remembering what your body is capable of. It's about remembering what your mind is capable of. It's remembering about how we are built.
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It is remembering our biology and what we are able to do.
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So, you know, it is, when we think about, when I talk about sovereignty, and it's really, it's really, it's really about rem- reminding people of that and who they really are, so that they can take their ownership back.
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You know? And that's, and I, and I think especially now, there, that's happening more and more because we have the ability to measure ourselves. You know?
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We have the ability to learn more about ourselves, but once we take that kind of data that is, is data that we can get externally about our internal, it's about thinking about, "Well, how did that happen?" You know?
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You think about your own experiences. You think about your own thoughts.
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And as you were just saying, that I completely agree with, uh, your body always knows, and your body's always speaking to you, just in different ways.
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And you don't hear it unless you get, unless you pay attention or unless you just kind of get quiet and get still, and then you hear everything. Um, but we're just, we get busy. You know? We, we're kind of in the hustle.
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Yeah. And s- just adding to that, and then, um, I wanna make sure we're, we're talking about, um, your expertise in nutrition and so forth.
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Um, but I read somewhere recently, and it really resonated with me, that our intuition improves-As our nervous system heals, right? And to me, that's back to the energy thing.
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It's like if we're in, like, chaos, and we're stressed out, and in that sympathetic, you know, fight or flight, like, chroni- And so many of us either are or have been either chronically stressed or frequently stressed and anxious versus getting that rest, back to what we were talking about a few minutes ago, prioritizing our own wellbeing.
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To me, you become instantly more... I shouldn't say instantly. You become more intuitive, and you, you can listen to your gut, and you can trust yourself more.
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I mean, it, it just, it all goes hand-in-hand if, if you ask me. Yes. No, it absolutely does. I mean, and sometimes it can happen in an instant because- Yeah, that's true, actually. That is true... when you- That aha...
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when you do that, when you do that, uh, heart-brain coherence, when you just take a moment, when you do some breathing, whatever it is that shifts your body into that parasympathetic mode, you are literally able to hear what it is that your, your intuition, you know, is trying to tell you.
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Totally. Well, I gotta sh- I wasn't planning on talking about this, but because you mentioned it, and you talk a lot about mindset work, and I love the mindset work, but I've been developing something called heartset.
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And when I think about heartset, right, it's exactly what you're talking about, is getting into that heart-brain coherence. It really is your energetic signature.
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And so often, I mean, when I think about our culture and what were we just talking about, how we all feel like even in the, in the, um, um, spirit of being caretakers and giving to others, it's a lot of that doing.
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It's planning. It's driving in that masculine energy.
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When I think about, when I think about heartset and getting into that parasympathetic state, whether through breath, through, um, visualization, I mean, there are so many different ways to get into it.
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But I feel like for me, as somebody who's been a super Type A overachiever, I drove my mindset to the edge. And while I didn't get a terminal illness, the quality of my life was not great.
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Uh, you know, a lot of things were, um, were strained in my life. And as I've adopted this heartset, and really, um, prioritizing that, um, regulating my nervous system, feeling into my body,
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a- activating my kind of like best vibes, it's made a, it's made a big difference. Sure. Yeah. No, and that's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, I... It really is. And it, it's funny because it, it...
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If you're just listening and you're someone that doesn't really have, you know, you can just kinda shift quickly, it might seem, like, foreign to you.
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But, you know, our brain works in, our brains wi- our brain wires, and then it works in that pattern, and that becomes our comfort and our norm. So, to actually shift into what you're describing- Mm-hmm...
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you know, to shift and, and have a different, a different routine, to have a different way of living, a way of different out- different way of thinking, that actually takes a lot of work. Mm-hmm. You know?
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Because you have to retrain your brain.
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You have to tell your brain, "Yeah, you know, this, this, this really, like, high-strung, like, high-beta way of living, that's actually not, that's actually not what I wanna be doing. That's actually not comfortable."
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And so it's so natural for us. That's just neuroscience. It's just so- Yeah... natural for us. Once we take our brains and we wanna implement a new habit, it's gonna resist.
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It's gonna fight us for a while because those wires are, are well-worn wires. So, it actually, it's...
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You know, so I'm saying, you know, thank you for sharing that, and that's amazing that you did it because it really takes a lot of, of effort and focus to implement a new way of living, a new way of thinking, you know, a new way of just being.
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Even though that may, we may come into this world, you know, born that way, um, remembering and then having our, and sort of like unwinding, making new wires, is it, it takes a lot of discipline.
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I mean, and our nervous system loves rituals. You know, our nervous system loves routines. That is, that is what is safe. That is what... And that helps with, again, everything else that you said.
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It helps with, it helps with our immune. It helps with, you know, our gut. It helps with our hormones. It helps with everything.
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It helps with our mood, clearly, you know, when that ner- when that, when we can regulate our nervous system that way. Yeah, no, it, it's, it's changed the game for me.
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Okay, so you have a really amazing, rare combination of credentials. But before we, I really wanna drive into that because when I think about somebody who goes to Le Cordon Bleu for nutritional healing, I'm like, "What?
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They even allow that?" But let's pause there for one sec. I wanna read this great quote from none other than Jerry Bruckheimer, the famed Hollywood producer, um, Pirates of the Caribbean, Top Gun.
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You guys all are familiar with him. He says... This is so sweet. "Serena Poon is the real deal. Her knowledge, expertise, and wellness products have made a huge difference in my overall health and wellbeing.
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As a chef, nutritionist, Reiki master, and holistic expert, her advice and consultation help keep me healthy and feeling great." I mean, that's high praise from that guy, right?
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And there are so many other people that have given similarly, um, high praise to you.
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And so as a really practical matter, I mean, a lot of, I know a lot of what we can, what we're talking about can feel like, "Ah," like, how practical is it? To me, it's like the most practical thing.
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But I wanna come back, so just to these credentials, um, that you're a graduate of one of the world's most prestigious culinary academies, Le Cordon Bleu, where you completed its most intense and comprehensive programming, Grand Diploma.
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You have a BS from UC Berkeley. No small feat. And then you're also certified as a Reiki master. And it's just, it's such a rare combination of credentials. But let's talk for a minute.
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When you applied to Le Cordon Bleu, did they know that you went there?
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I mean, 'cause you think of that as, like, French food to be savored and to get Michelin stars and, and right, like, like, um, uh-You know, conspicuous consumption.
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But you went there with a whole different idea, which is pretty freaking radical. I kinda love it. [laughs] So how did that work? Did they... Were they like, "Mm, no, you just need to like make your roux and" Yeah...
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you know, follow the, follow what everybody else is doing. It's so funny. You're actually the first person that's ever really pointed that out, um, so I really appreciate that.
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It, it, you know, it's just a reminder, again, you have sovereignty. You decide.
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You know, when I went to Le Cordon Bleu, I absolutely went there knowing that I was not going to come out cooking the type of food they were teaching me. I was there to learn technique, you know?
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I was there to learn technique and to, you know, to really kind of like lock in the skills I would need to take in a completely different set of ingredients and create something that was just as delicious and memorable as using all of the fats and the sugars, you know, and the salts and everything that is maybe delicious but not terribly healthy.
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So I knew, and that, that's because of my experience, you know, with my parents.
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I knew that I wanted to go in there and learn a different way because what I saw in my experience with my parents was that food, which my daddy loved food, you know? That was, that was how we bonded.
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You know, I studied nutrition at Berkeley because I love to eat, you know?
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And to see him have to just choke down food that wasn't beautiful, that wasn't delicious, but it seemed safe, and it was what he needed nutrient-wise to stay alive and to get to the next day and the next day, that's really why.
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That's... So it wasn't just, okay, let me study nutrition and find out what, what, you know, what foods are good as medicine.
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It was also that food, when it's healthy and when it's used as medicine, can still be delicious, and it can still be beautiful. And that's why I went to culinary school. You know, I...
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It wasn't like what the doctors say. Oh, you know, when you're not feeling, they say eat the BRAT diet or rat, whatever that is. You know what I'm talking about, right? Bread, banana, whatever.
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You, you know, when you've got food poisoning or you have a tummy. It, it was more why does healthy food have to be bland? Why does healthy food have to be boring?
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Why can't healthy food that's used as medicine, why can't it be just as beautiful and stunning to our palate and to our eyes as, you know, a, a Michelin star French cuisine? Why can't it be like that?
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So that, that was what I went into culinary school thinking. Um, and that, and that was how I did my program. It's very similar to like when I went to...
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I worked for Hugh Hefner, um, at the Playboy Ma- Mansion after I graduated from culinary school. Um, and you know, people think I went for all these reasons, but really what I went there, I thought, "This is great.
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There's no food budget." I mean, there's no food cost. When you work, when you're at a restaurant, you've gotta keep the food budget, the cost below a certain percentage. Otherwise, that f- restaurant will not, will...
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It'll, it'll fail, you know, because the margins are not very good. But here I am working for someone in a home. And I can learn everything from- Someone. Hugh Hefner. [laughs] Not anyone. Yes.
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Oh my God, so many stories I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's many stories.
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But, um, but the, the, the great thing about it and why I wanted to work there was because I had the whole range of experiences in the kitchen because we would work, we...
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It would be cooking for one person all the way to cooking for, you know, 1,500 people for eight hours, or 2,000 people or 40 people, you know?
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So it was, I had the whole, which was really different than working in a restaurant environment and also not having to worry about food costs. I mean, for Hef it was doesn't matter how much it costs, you get it.
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Doesn't matter if you burn it 500 times, make sure, you gotta do it until you get it right.
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So it was a different experience, and I went in there thinking I'm gonna, you know, taking my knowledge from Le Cordon Bleu, and it was I can, I can make, I know how to make something that would normally cost fi- $500, I can take something, I can take $15 worth of ingredients and make it taste like $500 worth of ingredients, um, and give people those experiences.
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So I've always kind of gone into my, you know, the things I learn, um, and my training that way, is how am I gonna use this in a, in a way that's not as straightforward? Well, yeah, practical and innovative.
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Let me ask this. I mean, we think of Hugh Hefner. I mean, he's a, he's a, he was, you know, this like larger-than-life, almost like a, a caricature, but he was a pioneer.
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I mean, he was like the fir- like, when you think like, um, brands, I mean, and multi, you know, like multi-brand strategy, he was way ahead of his time, okay?
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I mean, and yes, we, we know we like to, you know, like scantily clad women and all that stuff, but he really was a pioneer. What did you learn? I mean, and I realize this is a little different from your main, um...
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Well, you're an entrepreneur. So what are the one or two main things you learned from him? I'd be remiss if I didn't ask. Ah. Well, here's one thing I can say about Hef. He was brand aligned always. [laughs] Absolutely.
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Always. In his robe. [laughs] No matter if he could, if he was actually living the brand on the outside from a public perspective, he's always brand aligned, if that makes sense, without me revealing too...
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So even if he's not living the brand behind the scenes, when you see him, you show up, he is, he is his brand. He always shows up as that brand.
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Everything is built around supporting whatever that brand is known for, that brand identity. He was always brand aligned.Um, and clearly that's worked because that exists now still. I mean, that's... It's like, it's...
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People will know what he built, what he did, who he was, and he's, he's, you know, crossed his transition for a long time now. But he built a brand and a name that will, that will exist for I don't even know how long.
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I can't say that the gener- right, the youngest generations right now know it, but, um, but most probably do. Yeah. So that was- No, it, it's just... Yeah, it's j- Yeah...
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I mean, I, I didn't realize that that was part of your resume, so that's interesting. Well, I would love to... Okay, so you've got the culinary piece, and talk to me about Reiki. First of all, what is Reiki?
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Because the energy piece i- seems equally important to the nutrition and, uh, food piece. Yes. Yes, definitely. So Reiki, Reiki is a form of energy healing, and there's all kinds of different, uh, techniques, right?
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Techniques and styles. There's Reiki, there's Pranic, there's Quantum, there's, uh, there's so many different ways. And Reiki was, Reiki is, uh, it's just a style of, of moving energy, you know? And you're not...
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It's not coming... It's not your energy. It's almost like energy moving through you. And, and in that way, we can clear energy. We can all feel energy.
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We think that we don't, you know, if it's not something that we practice. But just, you know, sometimes you could be in a room with someone and they give you weird vibes. Someone can give you the heebie-jeebies.
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Someone can make you feel really good. That's energy. You know? We just put a word on it. We can put vibes. We can put the heebie-jeebies. I mean, but it's really, it's really energy. It's their frequency.
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And so when we're talking about s- with, with Reiki, it's about it... A lot of it is, um, clearing and moving.
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We have energy centers, and quite often when we're working with Reiki, it's about those different energy centers that we call chakras. And, you know, in different cultures, we know energy as chi or as prana.
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And with Reiki, you're essentially moving. You know, you're moving and clearing those different areas of a person's physical body that align with a person's physical body.
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Um, and you're kind of, like, clearing it so that there's better, there's better flow, and everyone has a different style. I kind of combined the way I do it, and you can do it distally too.
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So you can even, you can tune in, um, to someone distally. And because everything is energy, we are all connected. You can tune into someone and form a connection.
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This is gonna sound, maybe sound weird to some people who aren't familiar with it, but form a connection and still be able to help them move energy through their body, you know, sort of like unblock, unblock areas of their body that are, have more density, that have sort of stuck energy or there isn't flow.
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So when I say flow, like, think about your lymphatic system, right? Like, people know what the lymphatic system is. That is in your own body, um, and that is sort of the detoxing system in your body, your lymphatics.
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Your energy, when we talk about flow, that's just, that's not fluid. Um, that's energy, and that can same, same like your lymphatics. It can get clogged. It can get stuck.
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And you need it to flow so that things get cleared out, uh, like, you know, energy that doesn't serve you. Blockages is same.
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It's very similar, uh, in terms of how it affects your physical body and how it can affect your, your mood, your mind, body, all of that. Hope that made sense. Yeah.
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Well, I wanna, I wanna come back and a- and get Dylan a little bit, but I'm gonna... I'm... For u- for people who are watching, you can see me rubbing my hands together for...
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You know, if you're like, "Oh, this is a little, this is a little arcane." And if you're, um, not watching, if you're listening, I'm rubbing my hands together. You may be, be able to hear it.
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And everybody do it with me, unless you're driving. It's like you do that, and then you put your hands a little bit apart. You feel that field, right?
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And so I do that just because for people to go, "Nah," or, "I don't know," like, hey, doubters, [laughs] learn something new today. You know, open your heart and mind.
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So, so that's real, and I, I just do the little teeny, tiny thing to go, "Okay, let's really ground this. This isn't woo. This is... It's not woo." So, so then, so Serena, how would I...
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If I said, um, my son is having a hard time, or my mom is having a hard time, and I reali- I'm not a Reiki master, and I haven't trained in this stuff, and probably most of our listeners haven't, is there something that you can teach us, th- whether it's distally or somebody sitting next to me, that practically that would enable us to use Reiki principles?
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Or, or would, or is that too great a lift to ask you on a podcast? Well, I mean, I would say, you know, we don't have to call it Reiki, you know? So as long as you have someone's permission, right?
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If you, as long as you have someone's c- We, well, we can call it, but, you know, there's, like, principles, and you have to, you should train, and, you know, kinda stand by those principles. But, but let's say...
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So you know what we do when we say we're gonna send someone love. What do you do when your best friend is having a hard day, or your child, you know, or s- or, or your parents?
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Someone calls you, and they tell you they're having a bad day, and you're thinking about, you're thinking about sending them love. Like, what is it that you're doing? You are present, focused on them.
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Like, literally you can visualize them, or you can, or you feel them, right? And you fill your heart, you fill yourself with love, and you focus that-That love on them in your effort to how to send the love.
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You don't say, "Oh, I'm gonna send you love," like you're just sending a text message, you know, just psh.
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You're actually, you're actually feeling it, and, and you're, and you're, like, transmitting that frequency of love. So you don't need to be a Reiki master or a practitioner to do that for someone that is...
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They may be in your presence, or they may be far away. But just focusing on what it is. You know, they might... Maybe they're going through a challenge, you know?
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And focusing on the feeling and the thought of that challenge leaving them, you know, whether it's a physical discomfort, or it could be a work thing, it doesn't matter what it is.
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But focusing on that and focusing on that challenge leaving them, and then focusing on the feeling of love and sending it to them so that they feel it, too. That is, that is, like, an energy transmission. You know?
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That is, that is not exactly Reiki, but s- but that is part of that practice, you know? Right. It, it reminds me, listening to you, it reminds me of prayer. Yes. Right? That it's like- Most...
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um, you know- Sending blessings... for people who... Mm-hmm. Sending a blessing.
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And then, you know, we have these five principles in Reiki that sometimes when you just share them with someone, you know, sometimes people do tapping.
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When you get present and focused on something in that moment, it can really help shift someone's state- Yeah... and give them the healing that they need.
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And so in Reiki we say, "Just for today, just for today, um, you know, I will not be angry. Just for today, I do not worry. Just for today, I will be grateful. Just for today, you know, I will work hard.
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Just for today, I will be kind." I mean, it's just saying that in this moment, just in this moment, this is one thing that we can do. 'Cause most of the times when someone's, uh, having...
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In an experience where they need support, it's because they're so overwhelmed. You know? It feels everything is in that moment for them.
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And when you tell, when you can just tell, like, have them say that with you, it's a just for today, just for today, I'm not gonna worry. Just, just for today, just for this moment. And then it creates space.
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It creates space to disconnect from what that overwhelm is, and for them to regain perspective. Because when we're in those moments, it feels like your whole life, like, you know, is...
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That your whole life, like, depends on this email or on this meeting or on this decision or whatever it is, and you don't have perspective. But when you say, "Just for today, I'm not gonna...
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I, just for today, I'm not going to think that this is the end of the world. Just for today, I'm not going to..." You know? And, and it, and then it can reset your nervous system and ground you. I love that so much.
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It, it is... It, it, it seems, um, powerfully compounding, right? 'Cause if it's just today, and then today is tomorrow, and then the next day, I mean, it reminds me of Atomic Habits,
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where it's like every single day, next thing you know, it's like you're making a.1% increase or a 1% increase.
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And over time, and to your point, that healing your nervous system often is in those, uh, day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute increments. So I love that. Yeah. Just for today.
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I mean, and that's why I meditate. You know? People think we have to do it for two hours. Honestly, you can just take four breaths, count to four in between, little bit of box breathing, I call it the four, four, four.
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And in one minute you've sort of meditated, you know? Because it's just about getting really present and getting still. And you shift.
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So and then the more you do that, eventually you add more minutes, and then all of a sudden you have a practice of, like, 10 minutes. So every little thing, every little thing counts. Yeah.
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No, and I love that because I think for a lot of people, and I, I wanna turn towards some really specific takeaways from you, because the truth is, oh my God, when you go to Costco, holy smokes.
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Like, looking in the beauty department, I'm like, "There are, like, 782 just Korean skincare treatments," right? And that, I mean, that's just, that's just the Korean ones, right?
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And, and this is, you know, and, uh, oh, you know, you talk about longevity and, and reversing aging and so forth. But then you talk about, like, getting into supplements and all the biohacking you can do.
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Like, there's not enough time in a day. Like, you could never not even sleep, or not even sleep, I would never not even sleep. I don't know what I'm saying. And so I feel like it can be overwhelming, right?
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So what I love about what you're saying is, like, if you just kind of pull back in just a little bit at a time and not get overwhelmed by the literally infinite things you can do, you can have that sovereignty, right?
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We're coming full circle. Oh, yeah, 100%. Because, I mean, it is very overwhelming right now. We are... There's so much, and everything by design is supposed to get you to pay attention to it, right?
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So everything by design is supposed to stimulate your senses, which is why we have sensory overload.
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It's not like you walk into Costco and it's just, like, perfect minimalistic, there might be 17,000 products, but it's- Everything beige and candles [laughs]... yeah. By design, that's not what it's supposed to be.
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It's supposed to be- No, it's to shop... pay, pay attention to it, right? Um, yeah. And I think that part of it, again, as you said, is just knowing what is it that you don't...
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I'm not saying you don't need 14 supplements. I don't really know what a person needs, but it's really starting with one thing at a time. You know? One thing at a time.
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You don't need to address your sleep and your fitness and your skin and your hair and your big toe all in one sitting. It's just doing one thing at a time. And even in my, in my private practice, that's what we do.
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We address one thing at a time. And then you get to seven things a lot faster when you do one thing at a time than when you try to do all seven things at once.Amen, sister.
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And I wish you would've told me that a long time ago, because I'm always like the, "Oh, I want... I, I can do seven things at once." [laughs] Like, watch me stress, sweating.
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[laughs] But, uh, but it's a good reminder, because, and so often, again, and, you know, in the, in the spirit of, uh, like for me as a mom, it's like I'm not even just trying to do seven things for myself, I'm trying to do seven things for my kids, I'm trying to do seven things for my team.
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And it's like so when you take that, that sovereignty and that wisdom back and say, "Okay, let's slow down." I'm gonna give a shout-out to one of my teammates, my, uh, soul sister, Sabrina.
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She's always like, "Just one thing, Andrea." I'm like, "Really? Just one? Come on, give me seven." I'm like, "No, we need one." Okay.
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So I wanna talk about you say true radiance starts on your plate, so we're talking about beauty.
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What exactly should you be incorporating into your diet to improve texture, strengthen the skin barrier, and prevent wrinkles and acne? So, so I mean, people ask me this all the time, and it's... there's a few things.
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It's my mantra. Hydration is number one, and you can get hydration by way of drinking good qual- you know, good water, high-quality water.
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Uh, even if it's not the highest, just drink clean water, water that has some life into it. And if you don't have water that's got natural electrolytes and minerals, you can always just add some of your own.
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You know, you just even adding a little bit of Celtic salt, Celtic Sea Salt, that is already giving your water life, and that's very important to remember. And eating bright colored living things.
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You know, I talk about eating the rainbow all the time, and it's just very easy to remember. You don't have to have, you know, every plate. I just realized I say you know a lot. I gotta work on that. [laughs] Anyway.
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[laughs] One thing. Yeah, one thing. So you don't have to have a rainbow on every single plate and every single meal.
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It's great if you can, but if you can at least get it throughout the course of your day and check off all the different colors, you're getting a spectrum of the different phytonutrients, those plant phenols that are so beneficial for us.
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So many of the supplements that we take are actually synthetic forms of what we naturally get from fruits and vegetables. So get it naturally as much as that you can.
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Plus, you're getting your fiber, you're getting that insoluble and soluble fiber depending on what type of foods that you're eating, and it helps with your entire system. So building...
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When you're talking about building collagen, yes, you're getting good... get good vitamin C, if you can, through foods.
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So I'm a much bigger fan of something like amla or camu camu rather than an ascorbic acid supplement. That's f- you know, that's a f- form of vitamin C. That, that camu camu or that amla or that, that plant- And hang on.
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What are those? I've never even... I've, I've heard of amla. I've never heard of cabu camu. C- camu camu. So it's C- Oh. [laughs] No wonder.
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[laughs] So camu camu, it's just, it's another type of, uh, it's another type of fruit. So there's all of different fruits. And you don't have to have that stuff fresh. You can have that in a raw, dehydrated powder form.
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You can have it dri- you know, dried. It's just about... And that's maybe not fresh necessarily, but it's still getting it in a format that is bioavailable for your body and, and also helps protect.
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You know, when you're getting certain vitamins, it's helps with your sun protection.
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So at the end of the day, any time you can reach for whole plant-based foods, and you can cover the spectrum of the rainbow, and you get them fresh and living as much as possible, and of course, I'm going to say organic, because we don't want those pesticides all over our foods, that is going to change how you feel.
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And there's, there's no, you know, there's no question about that.
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If you did that just for three or four days, and you didn't, you didn't have processed foods, it makes such a huge difference, and that hydration is so key.
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I would say hydration is one of the biggest challenges for everybody, myself included.
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If you're traveling and you're flying, if you have a super long day, you're forgetting to drink throughout the day, and having your body hydrate. It's not slamming a liter at the tail end and the beginning of your day.
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It is really about throughout the day so that you can actually absorb it, and of course, proper water. So once... And with my clients, I see this all the time. It is the one thing. They will take all the things.
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They will work out two or three hours. They will sauna. They will, they will cold plunge. They will do all the things, but maybe not drink enough water.
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And the minute they start drinking enough water, they literally lose, like, not lose, they gain. So they lose the wrinkles and the dryness.
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They gain two, four, five years back in their face just from being well-hydrated. And then of course, you know, like I said about the foods and getting good healthy fats in.
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So that is, that is something very, very simple that we can all do. We just overthink it, you know? We think about checking off a specific list of fruits and vegetables that we have to get in.
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You know, there are certain foods and vegetables that can help a little bit more than others, but if you just did that, if you just focused on fresh, whole foods, color of the rainbow, it will make a huge difference.
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Yeah, no, I love that. And there's been, um, a lot of documentation on how, um, so much processed food is literally killing us, and aging us, and creating mental health crisis- crises, so yeah. So, like, just, uh, uh...
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As someone who loves all my, all my audience, I just wanna say, like, you are what you eat. But I love what you were saying, Serena, about hydration. And we have an...
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My husband, actually, he ran, um, he ran a organization, he's, uh, like I said, he's from India, um, called w- uh, Water Health International.
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They were bringing drinking water to people that, uh, don't have it in the developing world.
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And something that was striking to me when he joined there was that 70% of illnesses, at least at that time in the, in the developing world, were due to waterborne di-Illnesses, right?
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And, um, uh, you know, and it's like there's parasites and all these things. So they went in to help, um, to help improve the water and, and so water has been something big in our family for a long time.
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So we have an RO filter, but we were just talking about how the R- an RO is reverse osmosis. But it, it, it filters out the, um, minerals.
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And so what you're saying, everybody, like, I, I'm just like shout out because I haven't been hearing a lot about high-quality water.
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Like, we're just used to like opening the tap, and I live in Colorado, so I'm like, "Oh, the tap water is fine." And now you're saying this, and what I'm learning, it's like you really have to take...
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Like, all water isn't created equal. No. No, it's not. Right? It's not. And actually drinking water that is depleted of minerals depletes. And we talk a lot about plastics.
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What we don't talk about about the plastics, because it's not just about the microplastics, it's about the fact that when you're drinking like what we, you know, distilled water or just...
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There's a company called just Pure Wa- uh, I can't remember what it's... I don't wanna, I don't wanna call out any company anyway.
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But if it's just like pure water and it's not, there's nothing in it, it, it, it, it leaches more than just the plastic from, from, you know, those bottles because there, it's out- the water, the molecules are always trying to find balance.
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And that's, so that's another thing that we have to take into consideration. So you want water, I call it like, you know, water that's had l- that has life, and that's just, and that's minerals. And it's not hard.
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And I know it sounds a little bit nerdy, but it, it might be a good idea to just carry a little bag, a little baggie, you know, in your, in your purse or in your backpack or whatever.
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You can even stick it in your briefcase with just a little bit of like Celtic Sea Salt, just a little bit of that 'cause that's got enough minerals in it if you just sprinkle. And not, not so that the water tastes salty.
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You don't want that much. But just a little bit so that that water is also more bioavailable for the body. Yeah. No.
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I just, I love this so much, and it's just right on time 'cause I'm, I actually make what I, I call my, um, hydrating love water.
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Every morning, I put, um, uh, Himalayan sea salt, a squeeze of lime, a little bit of, um, MCT oil, um, apple cider vinegar so it tastes terrible.
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[laughs] And I, I, and then I do like a, like a love incantation into my water. Oh, I love that. And I give... Yeah. No. And it's, it's so it's- That is, oh, I love, love that. That's very culinary alchemy. Beautiful.
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Hydrating love water. So I make one for myself, I give one to my husband, and it's just our thing. And it's like, it is... Yeah, no, it's been like this new ritual.
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And because y- you know, I wanna talk for a minute too with you about, um, fasting and autophagy. So I don't eat till like noon typically now. And so I drink my water.
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I mean, even, and like I do have coffee and tea in the morning. Don't tell anybody. Don't tell David. [laughs] I, I don't, I wanna be a purist.
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[laughs] Well, I tell you, you, what you also don't realize that you're doing with that water is water holds frequency. You know? Water holds frequency.
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So just you calling it love water and doing an incantation, you are actually putting a frequency in those molecules, Ada. We've seen that. We've seen that. Uh, so that's, it's, it's, it's, but that's, that's amazing.
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It's more than just apple cider vinegar. It's more than just the pH levels. You know, it's more than just the minerals that you're putting in there.
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You're actually, you're actually changing the frequency and the, and the, and sort of like the structure of those water molecules when we do that. That's amazing. Thank you.
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Well, and honestly, um, I mean, the hydration and, you know, and the fermentation and then I'm giving it to my husband, but it's something you said a little while ago or a whi- a whi- long time ago maybe in our conversation.
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It, to me, it's about ritual.
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So when I make this, and it's like I just, I get up, I do my meditation, you know, and I kinda have my own me time, and then it's like, all right, I go down into the kitchen and it's like, all right, making my, um, hydrating love water.
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Here we go. Mm-hmm. Tastes terrible. And [laughs] pound it.
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[laughs] Well, that, that's something, that's something that, you know, all your listeners should, should follow suit and do as well, and it's, it's low cost, right? That's the other thing that's- Oh, yeah.
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That's so- So easy. Yeah. No. And it's like the thing you were saying, like just one thing at a time. And my husband was like, "Oh, you should put in some trace minerals," and I found some trace minerals.
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So it's like, oh, but just a little drop of trace minerals, and it's like, ooh.
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And again, back to the com- compounding, I mean, it's, it's amazing if you try to do it all at once, and actually it's a perfect segue because, oh my goodness, there...
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I mean, we talked about so many different beauty products. There are so many different, um, supplements. And so I wanna ask this.
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With so many people selling supplements and programs these days, how can people figure out what is best for them? And as a nutritionist, what would you tell your best friend or family member,
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um, how do I, how do I know when a longevity program or when, you know, these kinds of, um, supplements are legit? Like, what's the one thing or two things?
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So, so supplements, I mean, y- first of all, supplements, any, any, any decent supplement that you, any supplement that you put in your body should be manufactured in like a GMP facility.
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You know, I, yeah, it should be good manufacturing practices. And then sometimes there's, you know, NSF too which is really not as necessary. That's, that's like a higher level.
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Usually that has to do with if there's, if a facility is also clean enough where food can be processed there. Um, but at the very least- Yeah... GMP. And when you're...
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And, and you can always, and sometimes supplement companies will put their certificate of analysis like online. Uh, some don't, but you can always ask for it. So those are like key things.
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When it comes to molecules that are, uh, from, say, plant, like plant sources, like a berberine, like a Resveratrol, certain molecules you can easily look up how is that supposed to look like if it's high quality.
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That's-Every- No, now that we have chat, it's even easier, right? You can look up how is that berberine supposed to look like. Is it supposed to look brown? No, it's supposed to be bright Yes... yellow and quercetin.
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So that's what, that's, that is probably diving in a little bit deeper, um, when you're talking about supplements.
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But if you're ta- If someone really wants to get a l- you know, go more than just one step in, and you are listening to someone's podcast and they say to take XYZ, that's a very quick and easy search that will take you seconds on like an a- a form that tells you, "How should this look like?"
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And you can go and look it up on that website and see how their, how their resveratrol looks like, how their berberine looks, or how their quercetin looks like. So I would say, you know, do, do that if you, if you can.
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Sure. Um, and then, and then always check, always check for that. And check for certificates of analysis if it's even questionable for you.
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One, uh, one huge call-out that I would definitely put top of mind is any time people make overarching claims, there is no magic pill yet, although we are working on it, and that'll come in a few...
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That's for a different episode. But, uh, there isn't, there isn't one pill or one capsule or one tablet that does everything. So when a supplement company makes too many claims, that's another flag.
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Um, and you can always go again and search, because there's a lot of companies that make claims for things that it's just not even scientifically possible, uh, if you, if you go and you look it up, you know? Uh, the...
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So I would say, like, those are some key call-outs.
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If your audience is, uh, a, even if they're, they've dived into, like, the, the longevity space, uh, more than, uh, than they have in the la- in the recent years, there are certain supplements that are fat soluble and there are certain supplements that are water soluble.
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That's another super easy thing to look up.
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If a supplement is combining fat soluble and water soluble molecules in the same blend because they wanna say, you know, it's got, I don't know, an NAD precursor and it's got this and it's got that, and you look that up and it's all in one mix, it's not gonna be as efficacious because you can't, you can't make both soluble in one capsule.
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And that's something, you know, a lot that I, you know, that I see out there is just, oh, uh, so and so, this expert talks about these things, so I'm just gonna put it all in one capsule, and a, and then, and sell it.
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And, and so often it's not actually bioavailable. So the two things you need- What is, what is better? D- Or is it just it can't be both fat soluble and water soluble, but is one preferable? Pr- No, it's not...
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fat versus water? It's about, it's about solubility. So some molecules are just by design water soluble, and some are by design fat soluble.
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And so it's not that one or the other is better, it's just that you can't really have both in one and think that you're going to get the max, uh, you're gonna receive the max benefits.
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You know, the solubility is different. So fat soluble, uh, molecules have to be dissolved in fat. Water soluble molecules have to be dissolved in, in, in water.
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So unless, unless, you know, it's a specific form of a fat soluble that is, they've made into water soluble, which is very rare, uh, it, it can't do what it's purported to do most of the time. So no big claims.
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This is just what it is. Um, and if they can back up what, what it is and why it does, and sometimes there will, there will be clinical data studies that good supplement companies will reference.
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And you wanna make sure that those are, like, third party and not, "Our lab said this." Um, that's another- Oh... that's another big flag. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. No, and it's... And to your point, I mean, it's a lot.
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And when I just think about now, um,
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having, um, AI as a way to quickl- I mean, let's face it, you can sometimes get misinformation, but it, it's a lot easier to get a, uh, just a, an overview now without having to go through pages and pages of search engine results to, um, to educate yourself.
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And for me, you know, I think like, "Ah, it's so much, so much." And then it's back to what we were talking about at the very beginning of our discussion. It's like we need to be educated consumers, right?
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And whether it's being, we're being educated, we're dealing with a health issue for ourselves or somebody we love and we're talking to the doctor, or what we're putting into our own bodies.
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I mean, yeah, we're, you know, we're listening to podcasts like this and we're, um, you know, we're watching reels and so forth. At the same time, it's almost like you kinda have to invest in your own knowledge. Mm-hmm.
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But let me, let me- It's- Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. And I, I, you know, I'm really glad that you brought that up. You can't just, like, listen to a podcast and say, "Oh, I gotta go get, you know, XYZ now.
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I gotta go get berberine now because I heard so and so and so and so talk about that." You have to know what your blood sugar levels are.
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So one of the things that, you know, Dave and I talk about a lot is you have to go see what your insides say before you start taking supplements.
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You know, there are some basic ones, yes, and we can say, "Oh, vitamin D, everybody needs vitamin D."
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Well, some people have perfectly, like, good l- optimal levels of vitamin D, and they don't need to take it, and too much can be toxic. And same thing with mag- same thing with anything.
370
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So the first thing that anybody should do if they really wanna cut through the noise in terms of figuring out their own supplement protocol is you need to get your blood work done.
371
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You know, you need to know what is inside of you. Um, and if you can get a scan, that would be even better. But you have to know what's inside of you. And a sc- A scan. What do you mean a scan?
372
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Like a, like a whole body scan? Yeah, like get a whole body scan if you can. Uh, that's very helpful.
373
01:06:49.558 --> 01:06:58.488
That, that doesn't tell you your micronutrient levels inside, but at least it gives you a read on, on your, your whole body. You know, what...
374
01:06:58.568 --> 01:07:10.828
Is there s- Are, are there, are there deficiencies, you know, in terms of your, your... Are there some structural issues, you know, that might lend to some bone density, you know, deficiencies?
375
01:07:10.898 --> 01:07:17.834
And you have to get a spec- a, a different scan for that. But it's just knowing, knowing what's going on inside.That is really important.
376
01:07:17.914 --> 01:07:24.654
So I would never say just go buy a supplement because you heard it's good for you, which is what people are doing.
377
01:07:24.714 --> 01:07:31.414
You know, you can ask a practitioner about it, and you can go and get your blood work done, which now you can just order them online.
378
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All these labs that were just for practitioners now offer, um, test kits that, that any consumer can just buy online, which is amazing. You know, that wouldn't exist 10 years ago.
379
01:07:43.614 --> 01:07:53.844
And you can see what your data says about you. And then you can decide, "Oh, I do need that supplement I heard about on that podcast. That would be good for me." Or you can say, "Oh, I don't need.
380
01:07:53.934 --> 01:07:57.434
My levels are great, you know, and I don't need that," you know.
381
01:07:57.594 --> 01:08:08.994
So that, that would be probably the number one and most important thing to do first is to know what's going on inside of you before you decide if you want to optimize or supplement it. I love that.
382
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It's so practical, and to your point, so easy now, so thanks for that. Okay, I am going out on a little bit of a limb before we wrap up, and I'm gonna... I wanna see if you're down for it. You can say no.
383
01:08:19.354 --> 01:08:30.494
Um, but in the spirit of continuing to talk about, um, supplements, and a lot of them are getting a lot of attention, I'm wondering if you'll play marry, screw, or kill with me. [laughs] I don't know what that is.
384
01:08:31.754 --> 01:08:40.084
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you five supplements, and you're gonna say, uh, marry it. And if you don't wanna say screw, you can say kiss or kill. [laughs] Okay. Okay, okay. Okay.
385
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We're just gonna have fun at the end here. And, and if you're like, "Mm, I'm gonna pass," you're, you've got... I'm gonna give you one pass. [laughs] Okay, okay. Okay, and these are, these are the...
386
01:08:49.754 --> 01:08:56.034
Some are brand names. Some are just more general things that are just, like, they're bombarding social media. They're bombarding all of us.
387
01:08:56.134 --> 01:09:04.594
So, um, so we're gonna start with AG1 Athletic Greens, and especially because you're a green juice girl. Yeah. Yes. Marry, screw, or kill?
388
01:09:05.374 --> 01:09:15.364
So I think that what is great about AG Greens is that they've made something that's very convenient, and it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of fruits and vegetables.
389
01:09:15.414 --> 01:09:23.074
And, and like what we were talking about earlier, those phytonutrients that would be hard for you to get in to an every...
390
01:09:23.214 --> 01:09:33.614
Like, to even do it every day, you would have to make sure you're having that good serving of vegetables every single day, maybe two or three of them, two out of three meals if you do two, if you do three meals.
391
01:09:33.854 --> 01:09:40.974
And if you only do two, you're gonna have to make sure you get it into both. And if you only do one, then you're gonna have to make sure you get all of that into your one meal.
392
01:09:41.314 --> 01:09:51.054
So because of that, I think it's very, like, uh, it's very useful and very helpful to have something like that. So even, even the dehydrated down like that, you're say- you're saying marry. You're saying marry AG1s.
393
01:09:51.354 --> 01:10:00.294
Marry. Well, I would say, I would say kiss. We can make out a little. Okay. [laughs] I'm still Okay... for you to do the whole fruits if you can.
394
01:10:00.994 --> 01:10:12.514
And if the product is properly, like dehydrate is raw, it is organic, um, and it's dehydrated properly so it retains as much of its nutritional value as possible, then yes.
395
01:10:13.054 --> 01:10:22.254
Um, but I would not say do that instead, you know? I would say do it with. I wouldn't say do it- Supplement. I mean, it's, it's a supplement. It's called a supplement.
396
01:10:22.314 --> 01:10:35.263
Okay, so we're, we're saying kiss for AG, um, AG1 Athletic Greens. Okay. Vital Proteins, the go-to collagen and peptide combo that Jennifer Aniston, you know, I think we've all seen it. Marry, kiss, kill?
397
01:10:36.174 --> 01:10:47.774
So it depends if you are plant-based or not, right? If you are not plant-based, of course, I actually think it's great. I've known the Vital guys since they launched, like years and years and years ago.
398
01:10:47.834 --> 01:11:01.914
So I actually, I actually recommend them because they are the OG. They are one of... They were the first to market. And I think that it's a very easy, and I like, I like what I call non-intrusive practices.
399
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It is non-intrusive to put a couple scoops of that into your beverage in the morning, especially if it's a hot beverage. You know, you can put it into your lemon water or your coffee or tea.
400
01:11:12.814 --> 01:11:22.154
If you, if you take in animal protein, the taste of it isn't going to bother you as much as if you were someone who is, you know, primarily plant-based or plant forward.
401
01:11:22.543 --> 01:11:36.534
So I think that that is a great thing to supplement, uh, especially your protein intake and to help with skin. So I, I, I like it, and I, um, I do recommend it. So somewhere between marry and kiss? [laughs] I- Sure...
402
01:11:36.794 --> 01:11:46.514
I would say, I would say if you're not plant-based, that, that's a good marry. That's a good marry. Okay. Not- All right. Oh, God. I like it. Not overkill. We don't wanna take in too much animal protein.
403
01:11:46.594 --> 01:12:00.574
We know about mTOR and AMPK, and we don't wanna overkill the protein, but it is good to add some in, definitely. Amen. Especially- Okay, yeah. And it, and it's two scoops. Sorry? Uh, two scoops is considered one serving.
404
01:12:00.654 --> 01:12:13.574
That's 20 grams. Uh, one scoop is like, one scoop is 10, and so you can do it. It, and again, it depends. It depends how much protein you're taking in throughout the rest of your day, so that's what's important to know.
405
01:12:13.654 --> 01:12:22.934
So if you are taking in protein, you know, if you're taking in 30, 40 grams every time, every chance you get, you might not need those two scoops, right?
406
01:12:23.014 --> 01:12:33.674
It just depends how much protein you're taking in, and it depends what your protein goals are. So I would say, you know, again, between, between marry and kiss. That's a make out. [laughs] We added in a make out.
407
01:12:33.834 --> 01:12:51.034
[laughs] Make- I like it. Serena, I love playing this game with you. Let's make out. Okay. NADs. NADs. Oh, my God. So I'm, I'm much, much more of a fan, and the science backs it, on NAD precursors.
408
01:12:51.674 --> 01:13:02.034
So you want to help your body make the NAD, and the precur- precursors come in, in the form of NMN, you know, NR, NAR.
409
01:13:02.494 --> 01:13:15.974
There's different, there's different forms of the precursor, and the precursor just makes a lot more sense to me. It, to help your body make it so that you're still making it if you fall off a day.
410
01:13:16.034 --> 01:13:27.874
Maybe you, like, I don't know, you left it in the hotel room and you don't make it for a week or seven da- or five, four or five days.If you're taking a precursor, your body is still making it.
411
01:13:27.934 --> 01:13:37.224
If you're just supplementing what you're already defi- what you're already pretty deficient in, if you're anywhere over 40, um, then you're missing out if you're not taking it.
412
01:13:37.274 --> 01:13:52.254
So I'm a much bigger fan of a precursor versus the NAD. I think that's sort of a waste of effort. Okay, so we're gonna say kill the NAD and make out with NMN, and I take the... It's called lipo NR.
413
01:13:52.534 --> 01:14:07.004
So it sounds like I got that one right. Yeah. So I would say, um, I would say a precursor you marry. Like, precursors like an NMN, an NR, an NAR are precursors you... That should be... That's a daily.
414
01:14:07.214 --> 01:14:21.454
That's like a daily always. Okay. Amen. It's a complete- Two left... complete rafter. Mm-hmm. Okay, good. Oh, I love that. Such a... I love, I love the, uh, the clarity here and, uh, conviction. Okay. Colostrum.
415
01:14:22.994 --> 01:14:32.354
So that, it's so interesting, that, 'cause I was just asked about that today. Again, that would depend if you're, if you're plant-based or not plant-based and you're taking, um, animal protein.
416
01:14:33.314 --> 01:14:50.474
So with colostrum, it's really about the purity of that colostrum and how it was derived and processed, and there's a lot out there that it's just, it's got great marketing, but it is not, it is not, um,
417
01:14:51.674 --> 01:15:04.034
properly processed, derived, processed, and it's not really doing as much for you as a product that is. I can't name, um, the products that are really doing it right.
418
01:15:04.074 --> 01:15:16.954
There's one I believe that's coming out, um, that is not on the market yet that supposedly has the highest level of processing, the way they derive, uh, the colostrum.
419
01:15:16.994 --> 01:15:22.854
It has proven to sh- to be beneficial, obviously for gut health. It can help support immune health.
420
01:15:23.414 --> 01:15:39.154
Um, it's not for everyone, but I haven't known anyone who's taking a pretty good brand of it to have any negative experiences. But it's a waste if it's not, um, if it's not high quality. Okay.
421
01:15:39.194 --> 01:15:50.114
Well, and something you said is so important, and that is the marketing, and especially if you're on social media, when you're seeing the s- you know, same brand a ton of times, and I mean, we're all...
422
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I, I shouldn't say we all. A lot of us, it's like you see it enough and you're like, "Oh, well that must be good," and it's not. I mean, it's like the art of rhetoric.
423
01:15:57.214 --> 01:16:08.614
Like, if you say it enough, you start to believe it, and your brain gets primed. So I just, for myself and for all my beautiful audience members, don't be fooled by great marketing. Yeah.
424
01:16:08.714 --> 01:16:12.914
There are things that are, that don't do anything- Mm... that have great marketing.
425
01:16:12.954 --> 01:16:26.684
I mean, there's a lot of very popular, I cannot name them, as much as I would love to, um, products out there from devices to tests to supplements to food and beverages, nutraceuticals, functional.
426
01:16:27.423 --> 01:16:41.174
The functional beverage space is a big one, you know, where the marketing is great, but the actual efficacy is totally different, you know, and whether or not it's worth spending that money on is, is really different.
427
01:16:41.214 --> 01:16:51.494
You know, most of these, a lot of these, um, products that are in the functional food space or, um, that's, that's probably the space. It, in the fun...
428
01:16:52.154 --> 01:17:02.574
I- I- The amount that you actually need would be, like, having 30 packets, you know? It's not like one stick is gonna get you the result that you, that is saying that it can give you.
429
01:17:02.754 --> 01:17:10.354
So that's something to be very mindful of. Um, but there's a lot to be said with placebo. I do keynotes on it.
430
01:17:10.454 --> 01:17:20.444
So, you know, if you believe that it's doing something good for your body, it will do something good for your body, you know- I love that... unless it's one of the crap products, so you know.
431
01:17:20.474 --> 01:17:24.834
I kinda love it and kinda hate it at the same time. [laughs] I mean, but the power of our minds.
432
01:17:24.874 --> 01:17:35.464
I mean, ultimately, I agree with you to the extent that it leads to a better outcome, and it, you know, costs you a few bucks. Like, who cares? Yay, you're investing in yourself. So I love that.
433
01:17:35.494 --> 01:17:38.314
Okay, so with colostrum- Really, and that's- Oh, sorry.
434
01:17:38.614 --> 01:17:50.614
I, and that's where marketing really gets its ROI because if they get you to believe that this is going to do what it says, what they say it's going to do for you, there's a chance that it will, you know, because of that placebo effect.
435
01:17:50.694 --> 01:18:00.524
So with colostrum, mm, I can't really... I, I, maybe a kiss, you know? Like- Little peck... like a, a kiss. [laughs] A little, little... But, and, and it has this...
436
01:18:00.634 --> 01:18:10.934
And again, there's, there's a couple companies that are coming out, uh, and they may, they may sh- they may be the ones to, to lean towards once they're out in the marketplace, so. All right.
437
01:18:11.324 --> 01:18:19.434
But- And, but I, but I appreciate that point. I mean, that, you know, when it comes to really... And again, back to what you were saying a few minutes ago about having to do some of the research.
438
01:18:19.514 --> 01:18:36.424
Now, we are, um, we shop at Costco like most of America, but something that I have always appreciated about Costco, it really feels like they, um, keep a tight, um, kind of a, a tight rein on the quality of products that they have.
439
01:18:36.514 --> 01:18:43.874
And so for me, it, it's like I can, I can... And again, you know, 900 Korean skincare products. Are they all really great? I don't know.
440
01:18:43.974 --> 01:18:57.834
Um, but when I think about as a, as a starting point, like with AG Greens being sold at Costco, I'm like, "Chances are this is, this has already been pre-approved." That's my take, right? And I, you know, and some of...
441
01:18:58.054 --> 01:19:07.814
I realize that they'll sometimes take products and do, like, little mini tests and so forth, but just given, I feel like given how conscientious they are. Sorry? Yeah. Sometimes they custom.
442
01:19:07.854 --> 01:19:14.914
They will make a specific SKU for, to be sold only at Costco, and it, and it's not sold anywhere else, you know?
443
01:19:14.974 --> 01:19:28.950
But, you know, going back to what you just said, part of sovereignty, part of sovereignty, uh, is self-responsibility.You know, so, so that's very, very key.
444
01:19:29.130 --> 01:19:46.890
If we want, if we want to live our best life, if we want an incredible health span, you know, if we wanna feel amazing, if we wanna look amazing, there is personal responsibility that is foundational to that.
445
01:19:46.970 --> 01:19:55.440
So I would say it's worth it. If you are confused, then do some research. The research exists. You know, that, and, and it's not...
446
01:19:55.450 --> 01:20:09.670
And I know it still can be overwhelming, but if you spend a little bit of time and do a little bit of a deep dive, you will cut through a lot of the noise, and then it's just gonna be a few voices that are really kind of saying the same thing.
447
01:20:09.710 --> 01:20:20.930
Now I know there's, there's, there's contradicting voices when it comes to a plant forward or plant-based, um, lifestyle versus, versus a, a, a, like a meat heavier, animal protein heavy lifestyle.
448
01:20:21.270 --> 01:20:25.170
There's controversy around that. Of course, there's science that kind of backs up both arguments.
449
01:20:25.610 --> 01:20:37.610
But for other things, most, most of the time several voices will, will rise above, uh, the noise if you just spend a little bit of time looking up what it is that you're interested in.
450
01:20:37.650 --> 01:20:47.830
And I think that's important for everyone. Just a, just a, just an important reminder, you know? It is your life at the end of the day. It is your body. To have sovereignty, you gotta own that responsibility. So,
451
01:20:48.780 --> 01:20:58.830
uh, it's- Yeah, I love that. I, I love that, and when I, the more I dig into these things, like it'll feel overwhelming at first, and then I just start asking questions, and then, then I become interested.
452
01:20:58.980 --> 01:21:07.650
It is like rather than it feeling like this chore, it's like, ooh, I'm excited to learn. And especially for people like us, it's like I'm excited to learn it, and I'm excited to share it.
453
01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:17.830
Like, I, now I wanna tell everybody what I know. [laughs] That's fantastic. I mean, that's, like for me, the foundation of everything I do is really education. You know, you give people the res- you give them choice.
454
01:21:17.870 --> 01:21:28.170
You give them, you give them the opportunity to decide do they want it, do they not want it? And so, and so w- once you... It's, it, like you said, it seems hard at first, but once you're...
455
01:21:28.210 --> 01:21:36.510
It's different when you start to learn, you know, and when you start to understand. And understanding is also what helps create su- like sustainable habits.
456
01:21:37.050 --> 01:21:48.370
When you're just doing something because someone told you to or you heard it was good, there's a lot less investment in that than when you understand why and you understand why it works or like why this.
457
01:21:48.870 --> 01:21:59.540
Then there's a much deeper connection to that, and it's you're more inclined to do it regularly. Well, and I just have to say, and I, I've got one more, uh, supplement I wanna ask you about.
458
01:22:00.070 --> 01:22:10.630
I just have to say there's so much, like when I think about, um, so much, uh, I mean, even something like meditation or, you know, things like, okay, everybody's talking about it.
459
01:22:11.090 --> 01:22:16.270
As, as a m- you know, somebody who's really taken meditation to heart, like it has changed the game for me.
460
01:22:17.070 --> 01:22:23.550
And, and so this back to like this personal responsibility, and now, you know, due to social media and so forth, everybody knows about meditation.
461
01:22:23.590 --> 01:22:30.810
But like breathwork, like breathwork so punches above its weight, and yet it's like, it's...
462
01:22:31.050 --> 01:22:41.420
I feel like, and I'm pretty tuned into this stuff, I only feel like breathwork has really come into the fore in the last handful of years, but it's been around for thousands of years, right?
463
01:22:41.450 --> 01:22:45.050
So it's back to your point about like doing the research. Like nobody... Oh, I'll tell you what.
464
01:22:45.070 --> 01:22:58.580
My son, I was giving him some, like he's a s- superstar 15-year-old, 16-year-old, um, uh, athlete, and I'm like talking about visualization and, you know, mindfulness and all this stuff, and he literally says to me, "Well," and, you know, and I'm saying, "It's Michael Phelps.
465
01:22:58.630 --> 01:23:08.370
It's Serena Williams. It's, um, uh, Steph Curry. I mean, it's, you know, it's like all the GOATs." And he's like, "Well, if it worked so well, everybody'd be doing it, and I'm like ready to die."
466
01:23:08.530 --> 01:23:20.010
[laughs] I'm like, you know what I mean? Like, no, the GOATs are doing it, but just because everybody else isn't doing it is out of either laziness, ignorance, right?
467
01:23:20.030 --> 01:23:30.770
And it's not to judge, but it's to your point of like- Or they think it's hard, you know? We think it's, or they think it's too hard. And actually, what your, what your son said is a very calming belief.
468
01:23:31.370 --> 01:23:42.590
It's sort of like when you think, when something is expensive, you think it's better. Who said? Not necessarily. Just because something is expensive does not necessarily mean it's the best. Or really well marketed.
469
01:23:42.770 --> 01:23:52.710
[laughs] You know, it just, it re- it doesn't. And just because something is easy and accessible, doesn't cost you a thing to breathe a certain way, right?
470
01:23:53.150 --> 01:24:07.030
So i- it seems like you don't have to work for it, then you think that it must not work. But you do because the prac- the, the, the concept of doing it as a practice and being disciplined, that's the work.
471
01:24:07.450 --> 01:24:19.250
You know, it's not taking, you know, four breaths. It's not doing box breathing once a day or here and there that makes it work. It's doing it ritualistically. It's doing it routinely.
472
01:24:19.280 --> 01:24:30.850
It's doing it all the time, or at the very least in a way that's, that's, um, that, that's, that's like a, that's like a routine. That's when it's going to work for you, not when you just do it here and there.
473
01:24:31.150 --> 01:24:45.230
So it's not, it's not hard, but it's not as, it's not easy enough for people to just, you know, fall into it. Totally. I love that, and I just, when I think about how consistency compounds, consistency compounds.
474
01:24:45.570 --> 01:24:52.910
I mean, that, that's just the, the fact of life. And if it's that, like you were saying before, just one thing at a time, and then you stack, you value stack it.
475
01:24:53.010 --> 01:25:06.989
Okay, so my last one, um, I think I know the answer, but, uh, what did we say? Marry, marry, kiss or kill. There's this really great supplement I've heard about called Just Add Water. [laughs] Uh, just so...
476
01:25:07.090 --> 01:25:17.230
You know, it's so funny 'cause it ki- it, it's like an AG Greens, you know? It's just like... There's... I love that. You're so sweet. So it, it is, it is like an AG Greens.
477
01:25:17.370 --> 01:25:23.950
It is where if you're not getting in, if you can't... I mean, it's, I mean, most people tell me it tastes way better, but that's not the point.
478
01:25:24.390 --> 01:25:34.078
Um, if you can't, if you can't get in everything that you need in a day by way of whole food-Then take it in this way. It's better than, than not getting it at all.
479
01:25:34.158 --> 01:25:44.688
So it's similar in that way, where, yes, you can absolutely make out... Even though it's my product, I'll say [laughs] I'm marrying it. Come on. After this, I'm gonna go, uh, order mine. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
480
01:25:44.718 --> 01:25:51.918
So it's, it's like that. I'm still always gonna say whole. Whole foods, you know, whole plant-based foods to get those nutrients.
481
01:25:52.098 --> 01:26:01.818
But when you can't, you know, reach for something that is high quality, it's raw, it's organic, it still retain all, you know, as much of its nutri- nutrient value as possible.
482
01:26:01.918 --> 01:26:09.838
Uh, those are, those are good to have, especially, you know, to, as a convenience tool. It's very good. So- And where do we, how do we order it, Serena?
483
01:26:09.878 --> 01:26:22.958
How do we order Just Add Water, or, or can you get it, like, at Whole Foods? Or where do you get it? Yeah. So it's, it's been, it's been just online. And we have been sold out for, for a bit. So, so you can- Congrats.
484
01:26:23.018 --> 01:26:31.598
That's great. That's a high grade problem. [laughs] So, so check. Thank you. So check and check and, you know, when it comes back, it, the notifications will go up.
485
01:26:31.738 --> 01:26:46.038
Uh, and, um, and there's actually a couple new items that we are probably going to add to it. We'll either add to that or we'll add it to Serena Loves. I can't decide which yet.
486
01:26:46.078 --> 01:26:53.108
And then I have a sec- I have another, like, a secondary line that is going to launch, I haven't told anybody this. You're the first.
487
01:26:53.518 --> 01:27:06.438
Um, is going to launch under Serena Loves, and that's the holistic lifestyle medicine, um, line of products will be, will be launched as, like, a secondary line, um, to Serena Loves.
488
01:27:06.448 --> 01:27:14.578
And what kind of products will those be? Those will also be in the supplemental and nutraceutical space, but dif- like, some different SKUs.
489
01:27:14.858 --> 01:27:28.998
And, um, yeah, it'll almost be like a, like a cr- like a, like a in between, a crossover of the water and Serena Loves, so. Ooh, I love it. Well, uh, you heard it here first, folks, on Getting Open. That's exciting.
490
01:27:29.018 --> 01:27:34.038
Well, when, I, it sounds like you got a handful of cool things cooking, so you're gonna have to come back.
491
01:27:34.058 --> 01:27:45.238
And, oh my gosh, I didn't realize until, like, really digging into the research that you and David are partners, not just in work, but I loved his, I have to say this just because it's the sweetest thing.
492
01:27:45.558 --> 01:27:54.788
And by the way, just we're talking about longevity. We're talking about quality of life. We're talking about better health outcomes. You and I know this, but it's one of my favorite things to talk about.
493
01:27:54.908 --> 01:28:06.518
My audience knows, too. Um, healthy love and relationships are the number one thing you can do to improve your longevity, to improve your health, to improve everything.
494
01:28:06.598 --> 01:28:15.678
And so I'm gonna read this and you're gonna blush, but I don't care. Um, this is what David said, "Serena, my love," oh, it's gonna make me cry. "I feel like the luckiest guy on Earth having found my perfect match.
495
01:28:16.078 --> 01:28:24.918
You are the female equivalent of me, sharing the same mission to help millions of people live better lives, only you are much kinder, more mature, and far better looking.
496
01:28:25.418 --> 01:28:37.768
In 2021, you saw me on a stage with no partner, no clear direction, dressed in a way too small T-shirt." I love this guy. "I am so grateful you chose me. My life has been transformed.
497
01:28:37.978 --> 01:28:49.458
I didn't know it was possible to be so close to someone, to have them truly care about your wellbeing, success, and happiness. Took me a while to believe you were real." He goes on, but I just love that for you guys.
498
01:28:49.698 --> 01:28:56.018
Where did he say this? Like, wait. This is on- It was on- This is on Instagram. I'm- [laughs] He's lying. This is- This is, like, two years ago.
499
01:28:56.058 --> 01:29:07.098
This is your val- This was his Valentine's tribu- I told you I kinda stalked you. I know. [laughs] Yep. He's, he's very good with words. Very good.
500
01:29:07.118 --> 01:29:17.458
Well, but I, I say this just in the spirit of as we come to a close, and I, I wanna take one more minute of your time and talk about fasting, because I, I think this is something that I'm only waking up to the power of fasting.
501
01:29:17.558 --> 01:29:28.878
Um, and it just feels, again, like, well, if everybody was doing it, like, there's so much ignorance and misinformation. But I, I call that out, both because it's just beautiful, and for you to hear those words again.
502
01:29:28.978 --> 01:29:40.998
Um, and for all of us to invest in... I mean, it's back to what we were talking about. The more I invest in myself, the better off every single relationship that I'm in. Every single one.
503
01:29:41.998 --> 01:29:47.398
And so I just think of that as, like, this virtuous cycle. It's not, I mean, it's not selfish.
504
01:29:47.538 --> 01:29:58.698
Like, the, I think the most selfless thing you can do is love and care for yourself, because then you can show up with so much to give, right? And that helps longevity. It helps everything. Mm-hmm.
505
01:29:59.498 --> 01:30:05.278
It's, you're 100% right. It's just, it's something that, you know, you have to remind yourself of, right?
506
01:30:05.378 --> 01:30:14.378
Because there's something that says you are gonna be, you are being selfish, and it's just a reminder that the more, the more you can do for yourself, the more you can do for your others, for others.
507
01:30:14.558 --> 01:30:21.298
The more you can- Well, totally. And it's like, and we're just, we're trained to, like, do more and be martyrs and, you know, and it's just kinda like nah.
508
01:30:21.458 --> 01:30:30.418
Like, like, and that to me, what I have found in my life, I actually, when I pour into myself, because I'm not burned out, I actually have more to give to other people.
509
01:30:30.458 --> 01:30:41.638
Like, and the, like we were talking about, like, the energy is better. Yes. Yes. It's so true. It's so true. And people receive it that way, too. You know? The people receive it that way. They feel better.
510
01:30:42.138 --> 01:30:52.458
And somebody who loves you and knows you is going to want you to not be burnt out, because their experience with you is also going to be more enriching. So that's- Yeah. No. And it's more fun.
511
01:30:52.518 --> 01:30:54.918
I mean, it's just, it's just, like, it's a win all around.
512
01:30:54.958 --> 01:31:05.918
And I, I just feel like there was this, like, you know, I come from great German stock, and I love all my, you know, German heritage, but this, like, misinformation, this, like, martyrdom, this like we, it needs to be hard.
513
01:31:06.298 --> 01:31:15.378
Like, no one fucking does that. Excuse my language. Like, you can put effort... I don't, I'm like, I am so not into hard work anymore. I'm into deliberate effort. I'm like that, too. You know?
514
01:31:15.518 --> 01:31:28.478
It's just like it needs to be hard, you know? Hard. And, um, but yeah, it's not about, it's about intentional, you know? It's about doing things with intention, uh, rather than just, you know, doing all the things.
515
01:31:28.538 --> 01:31:30.058
It's doing things with intention.
516
01:31:30.278 --> 01:31:41.914
Similar to what we were talking about with you mentioned earlierYeah, and I just think like that grinding, like if you're coming from it like, "I have to grind to prove myself," that in-- that changes the quality of your energy.
517
01:31:41.934 --> 01:31:52.484
It changes the quality of your experience versus saying, "I'm in love with this thing, that I'm in love with creating supplements that really help people feel better. I'm in love with making this podcast."
518
01:31:52.494 --> 01:32:01.314
Like, I'm like, all right, I'm, I'm all about like making love to my life [laughs] you know what I mean? And I'm still putting a lot of effort in, but it's not the grind it used to be. It's definitely.
519
01:32:01.354 --> 01:32:17.414
Well, you know, a lot of the times, and this is a whole nother conversation, but a lot of the times the way we show up, you know, when we show up that way, it's because we-- it's because of trauma, you know, or it's because we didn't get our needs met, uh,
520
01:32:18.394 --> 01:32:24.714
like in a healthy way when we were younger. And that's no fault to anyone's parents necessarily.
521
01:32:24.774 --> 01:32:38.594
It's just, you know, we, we look at the-- we look at life through the lens of the parent that we sought the most love from when we were a child, and then we kind of like take on their perspective, and then we have a tendency to mimic it.
522
01:32:38.673 --> 01:32:52.154
So, so the need to prove ourselves to earn and deserve and feel loved really comes from things-- comes from our childhood, which then goes into our subconscious and our unconscious decisions.
523
01:32:52.174 --> 01:33:00.234
I mean, ninety-four, ninety-six percent of our decisions are really from a subconscious or an unconscious place. That's very Bruce Lipton, right?
524
01:33:00.394 --> 01:33:12.614
I mean, so, uh, so sometimes we, we-- it's, it's again, the kind of like unlearning, um, unlearning what we learned from a young... You know what?
525
01:33:13.334 --> 01:33:32.774
Unlearning what didn't come with our awareness when we first came into, into this world, and then remembering who we are and remembering what is kind of, you know, what we all deserve and what-- and, and remembering what everyone just has as like a right to be.
526
01:33:32.854 --> 01:33:37.074
Yeah, I call that deprogramming, and I've been like on a mission, right?
527
01:33:37.094 --> 01:33:47.034
Because so much of what we get, um, and from mostly well-intentioned parents and caregivers and, you know, and then all that generational trauma keeps getting handed down and handed down.
528
01:33:47.134 --> 01:33:58.594
So for me, my personal-- one of my biggest missions has been to deprogram, which doesn't serve me and the people that I serve, my kids, you know, my family, my audience, right?
529
01:33:58.684 --> 01:34:10.574
And but it becomes back to what you were saying before. It becomes a, a personal responsibility. Uh, well, I love this line. "It's not i- it's not your fault, but it is your responsibility," right?
530
01:34:10.894 --> 01:34:19.174
When it comes to the, the, the trauma and what we've experienced in growing up. And so it's like, it's not about being a victim, but you can do something about it, and that's the good news.
531
01:34:20.154 --> 01:34:28.514
Okay, so I have one last question. Um, well, I have like a million more questions, but [laughs] today, because you've already been so generous with your time, thank you.
532
01:34:28.654 --> 01:34:35.054
Um, because you're, you know, you're big that, that, uh, expertise in, in nutrition and longevity and so forth,
533
01:34:36.014 --> 01:34:49.934
talk to me about fasting, because that one seems to punch above its weight, and I feel like it's being like talked about kind of at the margins here in America, but in other, other, um, countries, it's much more common.
534
01:34:49.954 --> 01:34:55.194
And again, I mean, something that I read the other day said, "You know what? Breakfast,
535
01:34:56.274 --> 01:35:05.674
breakfast became a really big thing in like the sixties when cereal manufacturers said it's the most important meal of the day because they wanted to sell more cereal," right?
536
01:35:05.854 --> 01:35:18.334
And so this idea of three square meals a day and the f-- and now the food pyramid has been upended. So blah, blah, blah. What do we need to know about fasting? Okay. So, so fasting. So fasting, yes.
537
01:35:18.414 --> 01:35:23.214
Fasting is, it's, it's, it's something good to do. It's something that I would recommend.
538
01:35:23.854 --> 01:35:40.754
Basically, fasting triggers autophagy, which is, um, it's like the way your body shifts from like an anabolic state to a like catabolic state, and that's where you're in like repair, you know, and maintenance.
539
01:35:41.214 --> 01:35:53.794
So, so there are different molecules that we can take, like spermidine is one of them, and there's all these different things that we do when we talk about these biohacking type of activities that, that stimulate autophagy.
540
01:35:54.243 --> 01:36:03.524
And so fasting in like the most... And that's where you basically... You can do it long fasting or intermittent. Intermittent fasting is very, very-- That term is very popular.
541
01:36:03.924 --> 01:36:12.974
And that's when you fast, you know, you're not fasting for days. Uh, as we know, in ancient cultures, people fast for days, you know. Some people in some cultures, it's just normal.
542
01:36:13.034 --> 01:36:20.304
You fast one day a week, you know, from sunset, from sunrise to sundown. It's very, very common for a lot of cultures. Well, Ramadan too. I mean- It is...
543
01:36:20.334 --> 01:36:31.454
to think about what the, what Muslims do for a whole freaking month. Yeah. So, so it's something that, that has existed forever, and it's a way to kind of like... It's a way to,
544
01:36:32.914 --> 01:36:50.154
to allow your body to rest and restore and, and, and obviously detox too. So when we talk about intermittent fasting, it's just where we don't eat, you know, for anywhere from twelve to sixteen, eighteen, twenty hours.
545
01:36:50.234 --> 01:36:59.174
I wouldn't say that the number of hours applies to everybody, uh, every day of the week. Men have a different constitution than we do.
546
01:36:59.334 --> 01:37:06.994
They're a different species, and so they can fast for longer than we can, particularly during different times of the month for women.
547
01:37:07.254 --> 01:37:16.934
You know, women who are still menstruating, um, should not fast the same every week of that month. And even if you're no longer menstruating, we are built differently.
548
01:37:17.294 --> 01:37:29.014
And so it's we're not men, so we cannot fast for the same amount of hours. It affects our hormone levels. It affects our cortisol levels. So fasting is great because, you know, like we can get into ketosis.
549
01:37:29.594 --> 01:37:44.566
Um, you know, the different things happen. It helps to uplevel, like-Yeah, well, low, low mTOR, we've talked about mTOR, something stimulated by protein, high AMPK, that upregulates those autophagy genes.
550
01:37:44.606 --> 01:37:51.706
And so, and so those genes, it's like activating your longevity pathways basically is what happen if fast.
551
01:37:52.346 --> 01:38:02.646
Um, when you fast too long, especially for women, you can, um, uptake your cortisol levels, which is what you don't want to do. So that's like a key...
552
01:38:02.906 --> 01:38:21.806
It's a key takeaway for women specif- you know, especially, where you can go overboard sometimes with the fasting, um, especially if it's not where you're, like, on a three-day fast and you're just doing it for these three days, and then your body goes through a different process and a different detoxing process.
553
01:38:21.906 --> 01:38:35.826
That becomes more like a detox. If you're talking about doing like a daily fast, 12 hours, 12 to 16 hours is a really good place to land. And David talks a lot about, well, we both talk a lot about, like, abundance mode.
554
01:38:35.886 --> 01:38:45.906
So you want to put your body in a state where it's not feeling abundant, and that's where I was saying you're in a more, you know, uh, catabolic mode.
555
01:38:45.966 --> 01:38:52.905
You're, you're shifting into this, like, repair mode, this maintain mode. So that's, that's when those longevity pathways get activated.
556
01:38:52.946 --> 01:39:00.326
But when your body's thinking it's, you know, it's easy, it's abundant, everything, there's tons of food, you're actually aging yourself. You know?
557
01:39:00.386 --> 01:39:10.286
It's not, it's not the, it's not, um, a state that activates those pathways. So now that you've recently discovered it, it's great. You know? It's great.
558
01:39:10.446 --> 01:39:15.346
You want your body to do that sort of, like, cellular housekeeping, you know?
559
01:39:15.446 --> 01:39:26.206
And like maint- And it reduces inflammation, it gets rid of cellular debris, um, and that's just most importantly, I mean, I know a lot of people can lose weight as well,
560
01:39:27.166 --> 01:39:38.806
most importantly it stimulates the repair and renewal m- mode in your body, and that's what we need for cellular regeneration. And that's, that is, that is w- the reason why fasting is so good for us.
561
01:39:39.106 --> 01:39:46.646
And then there's the benefits, you know, the, the perks, like your metabolism go- goes up, you can have more energy, you don't feel as sluggish, um, you can lose weight.
562
01:39:46.746 --> 01:39:59.966
Those are all amazing perks to it, but it's that cellular, you know, repair, debris removal, and renewal that is very key to the longevity aspect of it. Oh, thank you, Sarina. Yeah.
563
01:40:00.006 --> 01:40:06.226
I mean, because I feel like there's so, again, just, I didn't even wanna say if it's misinformation, just different schools of thought.
564
01:40:06.266 --> 01:40:15.106
Because I felt like there was a long time when it was like, "Don't eat meals, graze." Right? But I've become a, you know, and the data really supports fasting.
565
01:40:15.326 --> 01:40:30.466
Uh, you know, the, one of the podcasts I listened to with you and David, with, like, um, um, research on, on mice, and then you look into, like, the blue zones in a lot of places where, um, r- people aren't just living longer, they're living well longer.
566
01:40:30.506 --> 01:40:37.325
Like, they're, they're truckin' around. They're not just, like, you know, sittin' in a chair- Well, the other thing is-... you know, when they're fasting...
567
01:40:37.446 --> 01:40:47.986
science, you know, it's just, we're gonna get a little bit more granular. I mean, it's, it's great for your metabolic health. It really improves your insulin sensitivity. We already talked about it reducing inflammation.
568
01:40:48.046 --> 01:40:59.446
So when something improves your insulin sensitivity, you have better blood sugar control. And people forget that y- your liver helps you make that. You have to give it a chance to actually do its job.
569
01:40:59.486 --> 01:41:08.526
If you're not feeding your body all the time, the liver can't actually do that. It knows how to make that sugar. So and then of course it's also good for brain health.
570
01:41:08.586 --> 01:41:19.646
It's good for, you know, your overall immune function. It's good, it helps to get rid of some of the senescent cells, um, and that, those are cells that are, you know, they're often called zombie cells.
571
01:41:19.666 --> 01:41:24.386
They're kind of like cells are dead, but they're still hanging around, taking up space and taking up energy.
572
01:41:24.446 --> 01:41:35.526
So the fasting helps reduce the level of senescence that happens in our body because we get to repair and renew. So it's, it's got all kinds of benefits, and you don't have to do anything.
573
01:41:35.586 --> 01:41:45.056
And in the context of cancer especially, you know, fasting has been very, very helpful for, um, for, you know...
574
01:41:45.066 --> 01:41:51.585
There's a lot of cancer survivors that will c- that will talk about how fasting was very much a part of that process.
575
01:41:52.086 --> 01:42:05.986
So it helps to, you know, the fasting can help protect the healthy cells, especially if someone's going through a treatment, and then it's also s- kind of like sensitizing those cancer cells and making them more susceptible to the treatments.
576
01:42:06.466 --> 01:42:13.406
I mean, I can't say that this is, like, a set thing. I don't d- like, don't fully quote me on that. Hmm. Yeah, we're not, we're not, we're not giving medical advice here, folks.
577
01:42:13.466 --> 01:42:24.306
But, but to the extent the data supports that, a better outcome for a lot of cancer patients, I never heard that. Oh, thank you for sharing that. Yeah. I mean, it's more, it's more precl- more preclinical.
578
01:42:24.406 --> 01:42:29.326
I can't say that it's, like, a cure, but it definitely supports the process, you know?
579
01:42:29.386 --> 01:42:39.106
And, and, but I wanna say that oftentimes we also wanna make sure that people in those, uh, with those diagnoses, they also getting enough food. So it's, it's, it's delicate.
580
01:42:39.306 --> 01:42:53.726
Kinda depends on, it's a person-to-person, um, basis. But, uh, it has helped a lot of people i- get through, get through their journeys and to the other side. Ooh, I love that. Thank you. Thank you for that nugget.
581
01:42:53.766 --> 01:43:06.626
I mean, I, I just, you know, when I think about, again, back to the point you're making, like doing your research and getting really informed, because, you know, when I think about a lot of these amazing doctors, they're, you know, they're focused largely on the, on the
582
01:43:07.806 --> 01:43:16.186
traditional medical treatment versus what we're talking about, and functional medicine and, you know, what i- you know, what your diet is, is composed of and so forth.
583
01:43:16.806 --> 01:43:28.666
Um, one thing I just wanna add, if people are like- W. Oh, sorry. What? It's a wholistic place, a b- wholistic with a W, that I'm very psyched about that. It's a real, it's a wholistic lifestyle that you wanna have.
584
01:43:28.746 --> 01:43:32.946
You really wanna think about your mind, body, and soul, and the different ways to approach it.
585
01:43:33.006 --> 01:43:40.998
I mean, that's really a wholistic approach.Uh, when you do, I mean holistic with a W, the way I, you know, kind of like promote Yeah, yeah, no, to- uh, totally. I feel like that...
586
01:43:41.098 --> 01:43:46.678
I'm gonna start spelling holistic like that, with a W. I don't care what people say. [laughs] Uh, because that's, that's the intent, right?
587
01:43:47.418 --> 01:44:00.538
Um, but one thing I just wanna shout out, because I know there are gonna be people who are ready to like, uh, groan in thinking the pain of fasting, right? And I'm just gonna say this, guys. I used to eat like...
588
01:44:00.578 --> 01:44:07.198
I mean, I still eat a, a fair amount of cookies and donuts, but I went through a phase where I was like a lot of cookies and donuts. And I was like, "All right, I'm getting rid of sugar.
589
01:44:07.838 --> 01:44:16.828
I'm totally getting rid of sugar." And I would work often till like 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. And so at like midnight, I'd go to my pantry, and so I said, "All right.
590
01:44:16.958 --> 01:44:24.027
I'm totally getting off of sugar," like a two-week sugar thing. And for the first two or three days it was so painful. I went to my... And it's like you're, you want comfort food.
591
01:44:24.078 --> 01:44:32.448
You're working at midnight, like, "Give me something good." Mm. I went to my pantry. I'm like, "Eh, I guess I'm gonna eat some cashews." Like, I was so sad. It just, it was like no comfort in this.
592
01:44:32.888 --> 01:44:45.808
And so for like three days, I felt this like, ugh. And I realize it's a little different. We're not talking fasting. But after three or four days of not having sugar, the craving went away, and I took more water.
593
01:44:45.838 --> 01:44:51.958
And it wasn't that bad. And now I don't eat nearly the amount of sugar that I used to eat. I n- almost never have dessert.
594
01:44:52.298 --> 01:44:59.918
Um, I mean, you know, any- anytime there's a donut nearby, I'll grab it, but I, you know, don't go too crazy. But I say this similarly with fasting.
595
01:44:59.998 --> 01:45:06.958
Like, I just found myself getting busier and busier in the mornings, so then I, I'd forget to eat. I wouldn't have time to eat until lunch.
596
01:45:07.758 --> 01:45:22.408
And so now that I eat between noon a- mostly between noon and 8:00 PM, it hasn't been brutal for me. And so I just, for anybody who's like, "I could never do that," don't say never. Like, and you even talk about this.
597
01:45:22.458 --> 01:45:34.678
Like, if you, if you say, "All right, I'm gonna start with 10 hours in between," and then bookend it, and 12 hours, and eventually you get up to, say, 16 or 18 hours, your body adjusts. It might suck for a couple days,
598
01:45:35.698 --> 01:45:49.078
but it punches above its weight. And that's why I'm really grateful for your taking the time to explain the, um, biology of it. Yeah, and it's free. And it's actually really easy. [laughs] It's, it's not that bad.
599
01:45:49.238 --> 01:46:02.438
I mean, and if you know, if you, uh, you, you also can take into account your sleeping time. You know? So if you're someone that sleeps six hours, you're already over, you're already halfway to a 12-hour fast.
600
01:46:03.098 --> 01:46:12.877
So if you can look at it that way, it's, it's, it, it's really... The, the fast is all-inclusive of the total amount of time that you're not putting fuel into your body.
601
01:46:13.498 --> 01:46:26.307
So if you're counting sleep from your last meal to your first meal the n- last meal at night to your first meal the next day, and you're counting sleep, you really only have to consciously sort of think, "All right.
602
01:46:26.518 --> 01:46:36.828
I only, I just need to not eat for the first two hours I'm up, or the first, or the first four hours I'm up," depending on what time you go to bed and what time your dinner is. Yeah. What makes it- Well, or... Oh...
603
01:46:36.838 --> 01:46:48.838
your goal. Yeah, I was gonna say, or Serena, uh, this audience, you guys are all allowed now to sleep for 10 hours. [laughs] Thank you. We're all getting extra... The Getting Open crowd is like, "All right.
604
01:46:49.238 --> 01:46:56.918
See you at 10:00 AM." Yes. "Go to bed at midnight." [laughs] I have to give you something, though. Uh, so great, 'cause you can sleep at 10:00. You've already fasted, and then you wake up and eat whatever you want.
605
01:46:56.998 --> 01:47:06.598
So, um- Yeah... time- Double time to eat... to eat. Oh my... It's easier that way if you look at, again, ti- tiny little things, right? Like, tiny- Mm-hmm... little steps, and it makes, and it all counts.
606
01:47:07.398 --> 01:47:15.738
Well, and it, and it, but back to y- y- you know, we've touched on this a number of times. I mean, it's back to your perception. It's back to sovereignty. And if you sit here and say, "This sucks.
607
01:47:16.218 --> 01:47:23.878
I can't do it," okay, well then, yeah, you're right. Versus saying, "All right. I'm gonna do the math. I sleep between six and eight hours. Eh, it's not that bad.
608
01:47:23.998 --> 01:47:32.158
And I'm just gonna start with 12 hours and get my body used to..." Because here's the thing. I mean, it's like what you were saying before, one thing at a time, just for today.
609
01:47:32.598 --> 01:47:44.307
I feel like when you really try to do extreme things, and I know about extreme things, it's like how I'm wired, it makes it harder versus like, "Let me just be a little more gentle with myself." You know what I mean?
610
01:47:44.867 --> 01:47:57.188
Yes. It is very much about that. It's just about being a little bit more, being, you know, be kind to yourself. Y- you can say be gentle, 'cause I love that. Just be kind. You know, be kind to yourself.
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Your body actually responds. That's the, that's the funny thing that we, especially when we're like Type A, when we're go-getters, and we all... You know, a- anyone who's an entrepreneur, we're like that.
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We're juggling a million things. You're working 24/7, blah, blah, blah. Like, all of that.
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But the interesting thing is that when you are kind to yourself, you can actually be way more productive than when you're pushing yourself and meet your goal faster. I, I mean, totally.
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And that's such a, it's a perfect note to end on. I love this conversation. I've learned so much, Serena. Thank you for being on Getting Open. You've been such a great guest. Thank you so much.
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Thank you so much for having me. You're amazing. Whoo. Guys, I hope you got as much out of this episode as I did. There are so many actionable takeaways.
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And honestly, I just feel both more energized as well as more relaxed after talking at length to Serena. I hope you loved it. And honestly, a quick reminder to please follow and subs- and/or subscribe to the show.
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I wanna make sure, my team and I wanna make sure you don't miss an episode. We bring every single one to you with our full hearts. Thanks so much for tuning in. We'll see you next time.
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