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You wouldn't believe it. The after Dark feed has returned.
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Still in the darkness, it lives, It lives in the
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dark and in this case, the fog. Because this is
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a very special episode we are talking this is okay,
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I need to get this out that you might know
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this from the title, but I need to make it clear.
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This is a spoiler cast about Silent Hill f Meaning
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if you do not want to be spoiled on things,
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go elsewhere, turn this off, turn this off, come back,
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and then find your way through the fog once you
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complete the lost and Fog difficulty on combat and puzzle
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in Silent Hill f and then you'll.
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Know what Bill I feel like.
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It's also important to like preface this with even if
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you have.
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Rolled credits once, be ready.
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We are going to talk about stuff that happens in
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New Game Plus because it's substantially different. So if you
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do want to have that experience preserved, also, maybe come
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back and listen after you played a couple of times.
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An apt piece of input from Jessica Cogswell, who's joining
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us on the special podcast, who is also the reviewer
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of Solent f Hello.
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Jessica, Hi, I'm so happy to be here.
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I'm also joined right next to me to with a
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Lucy James.
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Hello, Hello, should say it like that?
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Yeah? Uh And yes Toess's point, just because you roll
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credits on Salent Hill f does not mean you have
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completed the story. H And trust me, I have been
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people have seen me in the office, and I'm sure
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Jessica has felt this too. Even from Afar, I have
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been a bottled up piece of anxiety and energy and
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wanting to talk about this game, but also not wanting
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to talk about it, and like I am, so this
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is gonna be one of the most cathartic days of
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my life. Oh to be able to talk about this game,
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but also specifically here Jessica talk about it because her
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and I have been been We've been chatting.
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Oh you've had black threads.
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Oh yeah, I have to say.
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So one thing that I love I mean, I love
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many things about you, Kurt, but one thing I really
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love about you is in this I guess to be
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transparent with Like, so I saw I saw some games
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recently at a showcase, and I went to Kurt and
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I was like, I had okay time, but nothing really
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blew me away, And Kurt was just like welcome to
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kind of my experience in the industry. I have similar
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feelings where like I like a lot of stuff, but
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it takes something that's like really special to kind of
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stand out for me. And it's been so cool playing
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this game and talking to Kurt about it because I
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can tell that it's something special to.
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You, because you've been like so a buzz.
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About it and just like talking talking like theories and like, oh,
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I got to show you this clip. I got it,
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and it's it's been so lovely to see you kind.
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Of light up about it, actually see me enthusiastic about
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something for.
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Once, to see enthusiastic about a game that's not but
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I hid an object puzzle kind of well, it kind.
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Of is, I can kind of is.
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But I appreciate it though, Like it feels like whenever
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you do like something, it's very authentic and so I
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appreciate that.
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Yeah, well trust me, I uh, I appreciate that because
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I think it's okay. In our in our neck of
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the woods, we see a lot of things, and we
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see a lot of games, and there's there can be
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a I don't know, I don't know if I want
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to call it expectation, but like, it can be hard
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when you like, you see so many games and it's
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when for me it's like, I don't know. In my nature,
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I'm a very opinionated person for better or for word,
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and uh that means when something comes along that I like,
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I most cases absolutely love it. So when this game,
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every year there's at least one game, and this year
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for me it's Sound Hill af where I was like,
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but we'll get into it. I want to frame this
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podcast really quick before we get into the think of
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it because the three of us have I think, come
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from interesting perspectives on this specifically yes, because one I
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am not traditionally a Silent Hill fan. Two, this is
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Lucy James's first Silent Hill game, yes, and then Jess
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is an og Silent Hill fan.
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So it's so as I was just talking to somebody
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about this today and I want to be upfront because
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I don't want someone to call me out and be like,
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wait a second. I love Silent Hill. I am a
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baby about horror aams, but I love horror like I
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love to read horror books. I love horror movies. I
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love the genre. I think it's so interesting and I
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love horror games too, but I've always been a baby
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about playing them. So a lot of my experience with
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like Silent Hill or even like Resident Evil comes from
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a lot of like watching entire let's plays or.
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Whatever, and also like walk like in video essays and
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stuff like that. So I am like that kind of nerd.
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So this is other than two. This is the first
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one I played entirely, but I've watched all of them.
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If what makes people.
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Feel better, I mean, I don't know. It's uh. The
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one thing I'll say is I don't think any of
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the soilnd Hole games are fun to play.
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I can only go from.
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This one, but I mean that f is probably, from
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what I've seen, at least like the most fun, and
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even then, like I don't know, I feel like combat
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is not the focus of that game and fun gameplay,
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So it's kind of a weird gauge.
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I think it certainly gets more fun, Yes it does,
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and we'll get into that in.
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Which we will get into. But in terms of I
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think I approach the gameplay of this in a very
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particular way. I think I must be really annoying to
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watch play games, and I used to stream, so I
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guess people could tell me this. I check every single corner, particularly,
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I am obsessive, and so my first play through of
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Sulent Hill F I was, you know, friends of mine
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are kind of dropping in and out and watching me,
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and I was like, I'm so sorry. Is this even
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fun for you? Because I approach it with methodicalness and
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a meticulousness where it's sort of as if I'm setting
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pacing for myself by deliberately slowing myself down to check
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every single nook and cranny. And I think Silent Hill
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F in particular certainly rewards you with that, with the
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notes and even just incidental things in we'll get to that.
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I think, you know, deliberately slowing it down rather than
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you know, if I play an action game, I'll just
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you know, combat, run to the next bit, combat next, next.
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Do you have the do you have the you have
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the thing that I do where when a cut scene ends,
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I always immediately turn around. So in a game, whenever
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I play a game and the cut scene ends and
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your characters facing the direction you're supposed to go, it
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is my impulse to immediately turn around and see and
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to see.
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I've never thought about it, but yes, I do always
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do that. I feel like I was just like turn
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to the side because I'm like, okay, there's not like
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a path over this way or whatever. There's not like
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an item now behind me, and so like never thought
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about it, But yeah, I.
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Think that's I do that instinctually.
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I would do it if there's a game where I'm
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specifically collecting things, because there's always gonna be something behind you,
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just as there will always be something, you know, if
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I go down this this little path or behind this
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wultifool's going to be something.
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There's always something behind the waterfowl. All right, Jess, you
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reviewed it, you gave it.
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A I gave it a nine. I think it's and
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it's one of those things too where I gave it
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a nine because it's not like a perfect game, you
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know what I mean. Like I like, you can read
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my review and you can kind of see the feedback
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that I gave it there at the same time when
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I put it, so I'm like a nerd. I think, okay, Lucy,
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Lucy will relate to this. I use notion a lot.
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Yeah, And I have like my own.
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Spreadsheet on there where I track all the games that
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I've played, and like I put my personal notes in
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like my personal review. In my personal Notion review, I
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give it a five out of five because I do
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think so I don't know. So there's the game spot
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review and there's the official unofficial Jessica Cogswell Notion review,
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which is a five out of five that.
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Only I can see.
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But I think that it's fantastic, And the biggest thing
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to me is it's story and its themes and the
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way that it handles what it's handling. Without delving too
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much into it right here, because I'm sure we're going
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to talk at length about it, I think it does
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it in a very masterful way, in a way that
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really resonated with me and felt very cathartic by the
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time that I kind of finished.
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Things on a Bashit is the way I would put it, like,
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I don't know. It's like there's there's plenty of media
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and horror movies and things that have tackled similar topics,
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but I don't. I can't. It's so hard for me
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to specifically touch on a piece of art or media
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that touches on all the things this game touches on,
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whether it's like femininity, the rights of a person, in
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the sixties in nineteen sixty Japan, on top of like
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interpersonal relationships, interpersonal dilemmas with people in your relationships, and
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then on top of that medication and like like how
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those things are like blanket problems, and on top of that,
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it's also just like intense body horror.
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And the one thing that I think is perhaps a
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parallel that I kept coming back to would.
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Be carry m mm hmm, but that's a good one.
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Yeah, but instead of I suppose medication would be the
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use of religion. Yeah, and yeah, I was. I think
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the thing that got me about Silent Hill f is
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immediately when I started playing, I just kind of not
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that I didn't trust everything, but I over analyzed every
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single interaction I thought there was. For a while, I
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thought there was like a different kinds of abuse happening
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with the sister or with Hinnoco or with the father,
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And it was just because there are so many ways
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you can interpret so much of it. And that's obviously
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just on the first play through, and then things get
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recontextualized as you replay it and experience new parts of
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the story. But it was I was very surprised, but
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also at the same time just really it, like just said,
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it was very cathartic.
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It's so I'm actually curious. I have a question for
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both of you. Did you think that the twist was
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something entirely different? Because I was convinced through my first
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playthrough until I rolled credits and got like the police
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scene afterwards, I was convinced it was like a totally
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different thing.
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My theory for the for the majority of me playing
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it was I believed she had some kind of dissociative
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personality that she had manifested as a result of abuse,
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and that personality became the protector role, and that's where
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like she lost part of herself and put on the
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mask and she had like the different abilities and the
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powers in the arm, and so that was what I
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kept thinking in my brain.
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And then yeah, which is not entirely Yeah, wrong to
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answer your question, Jess, I feel too. I felt like
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I was. I was. I'm so used to playing sound
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hell games and knowing what they end up being that
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I was very deliberately just trying to I always try
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to experience things in the moment as they are happening.
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In any moment, I try, like I start to think,
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like maybe assume one thing. I just have to be like, well,
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maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't do so I
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always try to absorb it and just wait to the end.
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But as as in my nature, I was absorbing. I
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was looking at every single character, enemy design type and
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be like this, I know how Silent Hill works, I
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know how they conceptualize these things. I know how they
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think about their monsters, and I know how it's all
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supposed to tie into something. So if anything, I was
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less analytical about her interactions and more staring at the
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monsters themselves, being like, what are you representing? What are
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you trying to be?
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Well?
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Gee, I wonder what the pregnant bellies wanted.
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I was attached to the back of a man. So
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one question a half for you, jess Or at least
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it's something I want to absolutely praise you for for
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being not only just an incredible writer, but an incredible
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The ability to talk about a piece of media so
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eloquently is you did that entire review without even remotely
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spoiling anything. And I want to one applaud you because
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five half of that game. I don't know why you
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didn't talk about, but I think it is a testament
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to be able to talk about a piece of media
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without having to specifically point and get nitty gritty about something.
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So I want to get your perspective on writing this
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review without talking about anything that happens past a certain
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point in Shoe's house.
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Gosh, I'm trying to think of how I ended up
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doing this review.
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I feel like I.
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Know some people and I think it depends on the game,
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but this game is very much a atmosphere, vibe, story
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driven game. So for me, it's not like I'm sitting
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there really collecting notes. I know some people are like
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religious note takers, and it's so weird because that seems
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very contrary to like my entire personality. But I wasn't
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really taking notes. I just wanted to like experience it
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and get lost in the fog. And when I went
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to write it, I think that it was just really
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important to because, like I said, I kind of had
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a whole different theory about what was going on, and
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then I got to the end, and in some ways
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it's more straightforward than I thought, but at the same time,
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it's very ambiguous. And I played the second time before
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I started writing my review, and I got to the
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end of that, and it kind of made me tear
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up a little bit, and I just really wanted to
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preserve that same sensation for people who would play it.
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And so I don't know, So I guess that's like
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the biggest thing is it's just kind of comes out
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of place of like trying to be compassionate and understand that,
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like I need to kind of avoid that to talk
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about it. And I think that sometimes my reviews or
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even just like my writing can be kind of flowery.
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But at the same time, when it comes to a
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game that is like Silent Hill, where it is, like
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I said, very atmospheric, I think that by digging into
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that and conveying that that is what it's trying to do,
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it gives people a pretty solid understanding of the game.
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So leaning into that was kind of the key, and
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just making sure that I spent my time to kind
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of create a little piece of this world because I
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think it's a really special one.
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I didn't ask you this, so I want to take
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it back. What was your take on that first play through?
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What did you think was happening by the end that
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I came.
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Well, it's so funny, Okay, So what I thought was happening,
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and sorry, this is kind of dark, but I think
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it is one of the trigger warnings. I thought that
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Quinoko maybe committed suicide, and I thought that she was
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kind of in like have you ever seen the movie
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Wrist Cutters. It was like some indie movie that came
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on twenty something years ago. I thought it was kind
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of like in a weird limbo place like that, and
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that's what she was going through. And I kind of like,
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once it started with the Hinko is Dead stuff with Rinko,
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I was like, maybe that's what's going on. Maybe there
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was just like all of this pressure and she feels
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abandoned by her sister. She has these problems at home,
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like maybe this happened, and she's kind of like deciding,
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not deciding, but like going through the motions of like
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do I want to live and what kind of life
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do I want to live and all of the things
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that adolescents kind of do go through at that time.
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I feel like, or at least.
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What you thought, Yeah, you thought, it's not doing that.
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It's it's not that uh, it's not actually that dark,
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which is you know.
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Yeah. I also I also did have a similar suspicion.
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But again, I try to keep my theories at bay
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to just kind of take it as is, but that
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was definitely one of those like, oh, maybe this happened,
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or oh maybe she was killed by her father, or
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like oh like throwing the knife.
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Yes, yeah, And for a second I thought that maybe
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she killed her father, Like when that scene was happening,
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I'm like, maybe she picked it up and like, and
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I think that that's kind of a testament to the
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fact that, like the I don't think that the game
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misleads you at all, Like it doesn't intentionally try to,
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like it's it's definitely ambiguous at times, but it's not
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like trying to make you second guess or it's not
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trying to lead you down a path and then it's like, oh,
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just kidding, you know, it's not I don't know, it's
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not unfair in that regard or tricksy. But at the
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same time, I feel like there's a lot of interpretations
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and it did it actually genuinely surprise me at times.
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I want to talk about the so you brought up
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the carry thing, which I think is like rock solid comparison,
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and it's I obviously there this game is doing like
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when this game is first being previeuw by you, just
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I couldn't help it be like, all right, it's a
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game about being a woman, a sixteen year old woman
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from what we understood originally being written by a guy
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not and like it just was I wasn't not as
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familiar with his other work and it's just one of
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those things where was like, well, we've had a lot
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of media written by both men and women about being
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a woman, both bad cases, both good cases. And the
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thing is for me is like playing this game, I
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still had a lot like I really this game affected
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me deeply at times, like very specific scenes. There's stuff
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in the opening that game specific the very open cut
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scene when she's playing with the doll. Having watched that
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scene multiple times every time I watch it, even though
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it doesn't like the context of it doesn't really change
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all that much, but just absorbing it over and over
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and over again for all the playthroughs it did, it
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hits hard for me. I it was like there's like
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just heving this person be like I can't play with
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the boys, so therefore I'm not allowed to play with
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anyone until her sister's like, do you want to play
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with her with me, and like the excitement that that
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like that she feels as a darb, like really and
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then's a hard cut and this playing faced woman is
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just like it is brutal. Anyways, it's quick tangent about that, well,
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go ahead, something that.
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I really love because I want to and I wanted
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to talk to you about it because you know, there's
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not enough male representation in games. But but something that
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I loved about the game is that in like the
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second and third playthrough, we also kind of it's it's like,
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I think it's very very very fair to say this
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is a very feminist game, but at the same time
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it does touch on something that's part of feminism, but
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it's also just kind of the the roles that men
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are meant to have and.
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And and kind of like the.
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I don't know, just like that the lack of emotion
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you can have, and and something that I really love
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too with Fox Mask or why can I not remember
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his actual name right now?
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Codro, I can't remember the boy?
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Yeah, yeah, but Fox Mask in like the third ending
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that I saw, it's the one where essentially it's like
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this this figure maybe his dad's kind of what interpret
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it as or just like familiar figure basically starts to
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give him shit for like you tried to woo this girl,
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you know, by basically treating her like a person, and
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like that's not.
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The way to go.
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You should just claim it, like that's the way that
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this is done.
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And you know, like you.
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Are kind of lesser of a man for for like
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being passive in this when really you should just like
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go for it and make her, you know. And I
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think that that was I didn't expect it to kind
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of go into that side of like toxic masculinity, and
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I'm really happy that it did. And I don't know, Kurt,
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how was it for you to kind of did you
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like trust me?
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I mean, this thing was beating a drum that I
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was listening through the entire time, and when that scene happened.
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I don't have I don't come from a generationally traditional background,
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like I don't come from a family who has put
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expectations on me to do something that is not my choice.
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So watching that scene, it's like I had to be
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sympathetic to a man, this Fox Mass character who probably
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felt an overwhelming amount of pressure to have to do
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this because that is what is expected of him, just
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as it is for a woman to have to marry,
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like for Hanako to be forced to marry this man
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because of a mistake and a problem that her father did.
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So I mean for me, it was like, I was
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like all aboard from the very beginning with Hanako being
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a person who's going to make her own choices, even
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if those choices are bad or it don't make sense,
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because you know, this is a point that the writer
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made where it's like, I'm going to make this character,
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this female character, make her own choices, whether they're good
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or bad. She's making her own choices, and that was
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the only point to make. So for me, it was like, hell, yeah,
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the one here, go for it.
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I didn't have any that I do, but the.
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One the before we move over to the lucy thread,
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the one thing I want to talk about in terms
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of toxic masculine or the thing you kind of started
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to talk about, Jess, was the expectation that men should
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solve problems, and I think she creating a medication to
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help Hanukko with her issues is in ways reflective as
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somebody just being like I care about you, I'm a dude,
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I'm going to fix that problem. For you, and in
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doing so he actually created mostly created a huge problem.
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So I think even then it's like, maybe that's a
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more subtle, more nuanced thing. But for me, when you
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talk about the expectation that a man is supposed to
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have in a situation, what I get is the stereotype
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of being like, oh, you can't reach that. I got
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that for you. Oh yeah, no, don't worry. It's the
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it's the angel cliche of the of the girlfriend or
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wife being like complaining about work and then the husband
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is like, will you do this? Will you do that?
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Trying to find solutions for them rather than just simply
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being like that sucks. I'm sorry that happened.
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So well, it's kind of and I'm so sorry, Lucie.
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I know you want to say it, but just to
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piggyback off of.
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This idea really quick, it's kind of interesting and something
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I didn't think of a ton as far as she
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like forcing himself to be in like that helper role
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and thinking that he's doing the right thing when he's
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making things worse, because it's like the reason that he
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gives her this medicine is because of tension. Hitts right,
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and like the real he's solving the symptom, right, but
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not the actual cause, and he's not like investing in,
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you know, like what's going on.
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In your life?
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Like he also comments on it. He even says like
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you always keep things buttoned up, you that's your problem.
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Partner, or like yeah, And so he's aware.
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Of it, but not to the state where he really
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digs in to find out what's up with her.
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Yes, and so it's like there's there's that aspect of it.
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And then on top of that, it's like when when
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you finish the second playthrough, or at least that's when
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I think what Fox wedding, And that's when Shoe is
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kind of melded into like the bad guy at the
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end there.
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The final boss.
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But one of the things that you know Shoe is
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talking about is just kind of feeling like or I
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guess I guess Hinko is more saying it to him,
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is you kind of always saw me as a boy.
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And in some respects I liked that because I never
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felt like super feminine and I felt very shoe box
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into that role that was designed for me. But at
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the same time, like I she even says like I
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don't hate the fact that I was born a girl,
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like and I relate to that because I remember feeling
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like that when I was younger too. It's like, I
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don't hate the fact that I was born a girl
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at all, Like I don't have that dysmorphia, Like it
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feels right, But at the same time, growing.
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Up can really be hard when like.
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Society treats you like shit because you are a one
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and so like her kind of going on this feel
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of me like, I don't mind that, but at the
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00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:27.039
same time, you know, like I want to have that
490
00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.079
freedom and this you only saw one side of it,
491
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.480
and so in a similar way, you were also restricting
492
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.880
my freedom. You made me feel like I couldn't be feminine,
493
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.920
like you never really saw me as like a potential
494
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.920
romantic partner. Even if you did maybe have feelings, you
495
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.599
never acted on that or made me feel seen. And
496
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.160
it's once again, it's kind of like Shoe thinking, I'm
497
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.279
doing the right thing. I view her this way, this
498
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.440
is what she wants, this is who she is. I
499
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.759
know her best, But at the same time, like he's
500
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.440
he's not really seeing her, he doesn't he's not really
501
00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.759
doing the best thing for her.
502
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.759
Yeah, well I was going to bring up the themes
503
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.039
of growing up in particular as a woman. Not to
504
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:09.480
dwell on this too much, but I think there's an
505
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:14.640
obvious theme of menstruation in the game. Like I even
506
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.200
at the end if we listen to the song with
507
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:20.440
the translated lyrics and stuff, and that clearly mentions like
508
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.759
getting a period. I couldn't help but think that, like
509
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:28.799
the red chasing you as you are that age, like
510
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:31.000
when she's what like fifteen sixteen, and you are at
511
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.400
the age where you stop being seen as a little
512
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.599
girl and you become you start being seen as a woman.
513
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.480
And there are also other bits where it's you know,
514
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.599
these references to Hinako dying in the rice field, like
515
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.519
she drowned and stuff. I took that as, oh, that's
516
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.160
the death of her as a child, like because she
517
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.000
even mentioned she was like this is the last time
518
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.839
I cried, And that's a death of part of her childhood.
519
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.160
And I see Silent Hell f as a lot of
520
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:02.920
deaths of her childhood. And the fact that the fog
521
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:10.920
the flowers in bloom being read covering up the torsos
522
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.119
of the monsters who are other women. And then yeah,
523
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:16.880
when you get to the stage where it is the
524
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:22.160
pregnancy bellies on a monster that's spitting out more and
525
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.880
more enemies for you. It's just like, oh god, that
526
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:26.839
was so on the nose, and it's like part of
527
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.960
when I was growing up at least, and I was
528
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.240
at this point in an all girls' school where you
529
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.079
couldn't wait to start a period because it meant that
530
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:35.680
you were finally growing up and stuff. And I think
531
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:40.200
you lose what makes I don't know, like in kind
532
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.440
of like looking ahead so so much. You kind of
533
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.319
realize that you're leaving your childhood and all of the
534
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.759
great stuff that happened there behind, and what you are
535
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.960
going into instead is you are moving away from that
536
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.200
life of comfort of being taken care of by your parents,
537
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.480
your extended family or even your friend's school, like you're
538
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.160
always looked after by adults. And then I think when
539
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.000
you're a woman, at least in my school as we
540
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.680
were growing up, it was like you hit that line
541
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.839
in the sand and you're like, oh, you're an adult now,
542
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:13.400
and it is a very jarring thing that is so scary.
543
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.119
And then yeah, you start thinking about boys, You start
544
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.400
thinking about dating and married and university and growing up
545
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.319
and stuff. And it just feels like you have fifteen
546
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.759
years of being an actual child and then overnight you
547
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.880
have to become an adult with all of the expectations
548
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:29.799
that come with that. And so for me, when I
549
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.680
was playing, I was just like, oh god, I don't
550
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.200
want to think about being fifteen again.
551
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.039
No. I am so glad that you said that, and
552
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.000
I'm so glad that you were very unafraid to like
553
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.359
broach menstruation and like, because like I completely agree with you.
554
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.960
I think it's very like baked into the whole game,
555
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.480
and like that's part of it. I mentioned like in
556
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.680
the second play through I tear it up and it
557
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:50.400
was like it.
558
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:50.960
Was because of that.
559
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.640
It reminds me of like the really depressing quote where
560
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.640
it's like one time was like the last time you
561
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.599
played with your friends at the end of the street,
562
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.400
and like one time was the last time your parents
563
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.000
picked you up and like said good night, And it's
564
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.960
like all of those moments where you don't realize necessarily
565
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.200
at the time that like this is the end of
566
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.440
like that chapter of your life, but then you look
567
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.880
back on it and you're like, oh my gosh, Like
568
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.920
I don't like when I get sick like maybe maybe
569
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.240
like my my husband will take care of me a
570
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.359
little bit, right or like you know, friends or something
571
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.440
like that. But it's not the same as for sure
572
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.319
having you know, like like what, I have a kid now,
573
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.880
when he gets sick, I'm taking care of him. It
574
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.880
doesn't matter if I get sick because like I have
575
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.680
to also take care of him. You don't get babied
576
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.640
in that same way. And you know, there's also just
577
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.119
like the issue of like just feeling very sexualized, like
578
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.960
the second you hit that age.
579
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:42.480
You know, it's just you know, I.
580
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:47.039
Think that they say, like the average girl won't girl
581
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.559
You'd think you'd hope it was a woman, but the
582
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.480
average girl experiences like the most amount of cat calling
583
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:54.279
and harassment at like twelve years old.
584
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.680
Or thirteen years old, you know, like don't I don't know,
585
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:58.440
don't quote me on that.
586
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.079
That's a statistic that I've seen. Who knows like where
587
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.200
it's from, but like that, I've seen it repeatedly. I've
588
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:04.920
seen it a few times that a lot of girls.
589
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:06.960
It's like the age of like twelve thirteen is when
590
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.519
you experience the most And I mean, first of all,
591
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:11.920
it's just so disturbing, but.
592
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:13.079
Also it's like.
593
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.920
We're forced, I think, probably more so than men right
594
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.759
to like just grow up a bit quicker. We always
595
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.359
have to be kind of mature for our age, and
596
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:28.119
it's hard to especially when you do reach that point
597
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.920
where it flips, because you're told the first you know,
598
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.240
twelve years of your life, like you know, be bold
599
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.759
and be curious and and I.
600
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:37.200
Think that.
601
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.200
Your your hobbies and your athleticism and just like like
602
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.359
mental traits are praised more and encouraged more. And then
603
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.119
you hit that switch and a lot of it turns
604
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.119
into well, like how are you dressing? Like?
605
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:52.880
What's your hair?
606
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:53.200
Like?
607
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:54.519
What are are you?
608
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:54.680
Like?
609
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.759
What is your body like?
610
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.000
It turns a lot more into your physical appearance being
611
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.039
valued more so than anything mentally, and it kind of,
612
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.039
I think flips back a bit, but especially when you
613
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:12.119
hit adolescents and that happens, it's just it really does
614
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:14.559
feel like this death of yourself. And I think that's
615
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.039
what Silent Hill does. And it's fucking wild that like
616
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:23.119
a fifty year old man nailed it a good job.
617
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.720
I mean joke, like, sorry, I feel like I'm tanded,
618
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.160
but like I joke with my friend, she's like a
619
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.200
huge horror movie fan, and she loves Robert Eggers. He's
620
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.240
the guy who does like the Witch and knows Faratu,
621
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.759
and like I've seen those movies with her, and each
622
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.440
time I love those movies too, and each time we leave,
623
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.599
you know, she's just like it's fucked up that that
624
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.359
guy gets women so well, like that he manages to
625
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:48.119
create these like very cathartic like little bit women's rage,
626
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.839
but like like allowing women to be kind of more
627
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.200
messy and like really in touch with their emotions and
628
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.799
just do things and be kind of powerful and weird
629
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.400
and dark. And like that's how this game made me feel.
630
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.400
I was like, how is this guy just like get it?
631
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.400
Yeah, well to the point that you mentioned there where
632
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.160
it's like you are not yourself and you are kind
633
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.960
of like it's all about what you have to offer.
634
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.519
I think that's a really good seguae to talk about
635
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:19.039
the friend group in particular jealousy, because yeah, you, I
636
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.000
guess like you kind of become a threat to everyone
637
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.440
else as you grow up and there are and like
638
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.920
when I remember growing up as a teenage girl being
639
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:32.160
in an all girls like class, I was very lucky
640
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.160
to have very deep friendships that I formed there. But
641
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.640
the way that girls talk about each other can be
642
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.799
so so intense.
643
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.400
And this game does. The one thing that, again is
644
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.480
context that sometimes I don't always have or didn't have
645
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.920
as a teenager. My time as a teenager, I feel
646
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.160
like it's probably different. I was like, really quick, I
647
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.480
just want to say I don't like coming of age
648
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.519
stories because I never have ever fit in with a
649
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.839
coming of age story. I just have never related to.
650
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:06.720
Like That's why I've alway struggle with persona games. I
651
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.759
just in most cases I do not relate to these teenagers.
652
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.960
But this game, this representation of a teenager, felt way
653
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.480
more grounded and way more something I could reflect on
654
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.519
than any other piece of media that I could watch
655
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.880
in the in the teenage realm but I wanted. But
656
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.720
with that context, the one thing that kind of like
657
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.680
smacked me upside the face of it was when you're
658
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.279
in the school and you're finding the notes, Yes, and
659
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.759
it's like the sort of establishment that this is. This
660
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.720
is how girls talk about each other, This is how
661
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:41.000
girls expressed, you know, we're able to they did. They
662
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.119
weren't physical, they weren't like trying to like beat each
663
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.720
other up or I'm not sure if some were, but
664
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.039
I'm like the idea of how men broach jealousy with
665
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.160
one another versus how women do it, which in this
666
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.359
case is very passive, aggressive, very maniacal to leave these
667
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.519
little folded up notes and then you find them you
668
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:57.920
just have.
669
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.079
To assume, well, yeah, and so so in my second
670
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.200
play through, when I'm going through in the kind of
671
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.160
other world where it's like you'd have one piece of
672
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:07.799
the diary and then you'd flick the switch and there
673
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.920
would be the other real thoughts of the diary, and
674
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.680
they would just be so violent and like everything was
675
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.039
just brewing under the surface, and they would just be
676
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.880
so so horrible in the way that we talk about
677
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.400
each other, and especially in Oh, She's always so perfect,
678
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.079
she always looks she always is so good looking, and
679
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.880
she's a cockroach, like all this kind of stuff, because yeah,
680
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.880
you're right, that's typically how girls would argue and fight
681
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.799
when I was growing up. Like you would not get physical.
682
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:41.240
You would just hear a rumor, or you would have
683
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.279
someone call you something or hear that you'd been called something.
684
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.240
And yeah, when it comes to and I was gonna say,
685
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.920
Rinco pushing her down the stairs, or if she did
686
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.960
push down the stairs. I feel like Kinnoko is such
687
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:58.839
an unreliable narrator, particularly on that second play through the
688
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.960
face that rink how has after that, and just the
689
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.039
way she says you felt on the stairs clumsy. You know,
690
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.199
it's like that's such a absolutely nailed it, nailed it.
691
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.679
I feel like I've known that girl.
692
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.400
Oh I was gonna say, like the subtlety is so
693
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.880
spot on, because like that's the thing, is like, and
694
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.639
it really does fuck with your brain, like when you're
695
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.880
that age too, because you just kind of like that.
696
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.880
I think that's when you start to get that complex
697
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:26.119
of does this person really like me?
698
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.159
Or do they not? With your friends, you know.
699
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.440
And I hate to kind of be like it's so
700
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.119
funny because at first, when I first started playing the game,
701
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.159
for the first little bit, I was like, oh, is
702
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.119
he Necho gonna be like one of those characters Like
703
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.000
I just like guy friends because they're less drama because
704
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.880
I always I hate I hate girls like that.
705
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.920
I hate girls like that so much, you know.
706
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.199
I But it is interesting though, because like when I
707
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.239
grew up, I feel like now I have mostly women
708
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.960
friends and you know, some guy friends, but it's like
709
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.480
growing up, I think I definitely did probably have more
710
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.639
guy friends, and I went through the experience of like
711
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.000
it not being really a big deal, you know, And
712
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:06.480
of course like there was some that I had like
713
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.480
crushes on or whatever, but it's like it wasn't really
714
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.119
a big deal until adolescence.
715
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.760
And I remember having a friend.
716
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.719
Who like basically was rinko who didn't really like that
717
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.840
I talked to like this this guy friend of mine
718
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.239
as much as I did, and who was very interested
719
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.920
in him and would just like make the kind of
720
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.360
comments of like, well, like I guess it's fine because
721
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.719
like he doesn't really see you in that way, you know,
722
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.400
Like I know for a fact that like you know,
723
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.079
like you guys are really really close, but it's like
724
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.400
probably like a brother sister type thing, like doesn't see
725
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.039
you in that way.
726
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.760
It doesn't couldn't see you in that.
727
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.719
Way, or you know, well, you're just like very tomboyish.
728
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.960
He's somebody that they can like play video games with
729
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.599
because and like they feel relaxed with you because like
730
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:52.760
you're not.
731
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.039
You're not like that, you know what I mean.
732
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.000
And so it's like I dealt with kind of like
733
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.679
my own situation and where you kind of feel like
734
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:08.639
a bit ostracized because you aren't just one of the
735
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.920
guys you never will be. But at the same time,
736
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.760
like I don't know, you don't have that sense of community,
737
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.840
and it starts to like I said, starts to mess
738
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.480
with your brain, and so like it's cool that in
739
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.760
this psychological horror game it addresses the fact that that
740
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.679
shit messes with your brain and gives you a complex
741
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:28.599
and makes you so.
742
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.519
Unsure of like how do I presume? I don't know?
743
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.599
And I guess that's like, well, that's one big thing, right,
744
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.199
It's like this whole element of choice. Just I was
745
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.199
talking to a friend about this game and I joked,
746
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.679
I'm like, it's it's kind of like the video game
747
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:48.039
version of like Sylvia Plath's like fin tree thing, right.
748
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.280
Like there's so many options.
749
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.199
And I did a thing where even before I got
750
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.480
married or before I had a kid, like you do
751
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.119
the spiral of like am I doing this because I
752
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.159
want to? Or because it's like the next step and
753
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.719
what society deems is like the good thing to do?
754
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.599
Am I do? I? Am I sure that I want
755
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.360
to do this. I envision myself like in one life
756
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.760
getting away and like living in a city and being
757
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.559
you know, and having that whole life, and there's one
758
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.239
that's over here, and I feel like that's part of
759
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.639
what Hinico is going through is it's like I don't
760
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.559
want to get married. I don't want to lose this innocence,
761
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.320
but at the same time, I do kind of want
762
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.599
to get married. I do kind of want that companionship,
763
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.960
like that sounds kind of nice, and I could love somebody,
764
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.440
But at the same time, what if I'm being brainwashed
765
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.400
into just thinking that I need to love somebody and
766
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.360
that I want this And it's like that spiral that
767
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.559
we all, I think, go through and it's depicted so well.
768
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.320
Well, that's why I think it is so important how
769
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.119
this game has handled multiple playthroughs and multiple endings, because
770
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.360
I think that's exactly what it touches on, is that
771
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.400
you don't get the full story from the first play through,
772
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.239
but you also don't entirely know what's going on in
773
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.119
her head. You don't even really know like like the
774
00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:01.039
extent of her battles with herself until you're three playthroughs,
775
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.599
and you really don't get like the full grasp of
776
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.800
every single problem she's facing and even having a solution
777
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.280
to those problems. It's very messy, but in like the
778
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.840
way that it feels like it should be the way that, Yeah,
779
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.000
like being part of yourself.
780
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.719
Is a traitor? Yeah, are you a traitor because you
781
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.679
are leaving your friends behind? Like you are killing your
782
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.719
friends to move on that?
783
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:24.119
Yeah?
784
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.559
Are you a traitor because you're leaving your childhood behind,
785
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.719
your family behind? Are you a traitor because you are
786
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:30.800
not doing what you believe you should do? You are
787
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.199
like bowing down to what other people think should do.
788
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.280
And so I Yeah, the traitor thing was the thing
789
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:36.800
that always like stuck out with me, and every time
790
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.920
I heard it it kind of took on a different meaning.
791
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.800
I've been trying. I wanted to talk about this, but
792
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.639
we keep getting off topic. But I think this is
793
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.760
the time to do it, and I do want We've
794
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.280
talked a lot about the like the ideas in which
795
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.320
you should be or how you should be viewed, and
796
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.199
obviously there's there's a lot of metaphor and everything, even
797
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:09.599
like all the way down to the menstrual thing is
798
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.280
like I didn't even think about the flowers. It was
799
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.559
when you said I was like, oh, duh. Clearly I
800
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.559
have never had a period, but I, uh, the It's
801
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.760
the one thing I really wanted to get both your
802
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.599
takes on was the use of medication, Like the idea
803
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.480
of like you, this thing is just given to the
804
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.880
player during the first playthrough, and it is so normalized. Yeah,
805
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.760
as just an item you take. You just that's what
806
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.760
you're giving. This is your health. This helps your health,
807
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.079
this helps you, it's your sanity, and that's it. And
808
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.440
as a player, you're just like like any other game,
809
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:43.880
you're just.
810
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.519
Oh, that's just the healing, healing.
811
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.559
Item you're you're gathering up. You're not really even thinking
812
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.000
about it until the very end of the game when
813
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:56.360
that item is completely recontextualized. Uh. And then poor Lucy play.
814
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.280
I'm an idiot and I've did my second play through and.
815
00:39:59.199 --> 00:39:59.840
I'm taking him.
816
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.519
But I did kind of the I messaged just this,
817
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.159
but at first I was kind of like, to be
818
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.400
completely transparent, I don't take medication for I take medication
819
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.320
for other health reasons, but not for psychological or any
820
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.199
chemical kind of imbalanced reasons like that. So it was
821
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.440
hard for me to be like, is this a topic
822
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.039
that people will be okay with? Because I know everyone
823
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.320
has their own kind of viewpoint on this, and this
824
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.079
game at first made me sort of feel like her
825
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:36.480
problems are just being masked or solved quote unquote by
826
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.000
taking medication. But it wasn't until I really like thought
827
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.519
about I was like, no, no, no, no no. The point
828
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.920
I eventually took away is it's the it's the religious
829
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.800
thing you brought up with Carrie, where it's just you
830
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.760
are taking it's it's it's as if it can just
831
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.440
solve nineteen sixties Japan problems. Just take this medication. Just pray,
832
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.239
just pray, just pray, and it'll all be better. It'll
833
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.239
all be better. But anyways, I just want to to
834
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.719
open that up, and because always thought that was a
835
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.480
very intense topic that I don't know if I've seen
836
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.519
breached as eloquently or as maybe even controversially as Salen
837
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:11.519
hill f kind of does in that first playthrough.
838
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.800
Yeah, I think it's it's interesting and it's something that
839
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.639
gave me pause just because like I did take medication.
840
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:22.039
You know, I've I've been taking it for years and
841
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.519
years and years and years, and.
842
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.800
It helps me a lot, you know, Like, of course
843
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.280
you go through stuff that doesn't work, but you know,
844
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.039
you get to the end and like it helps me
845
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.320
a lot, and I love the fact that I found
846
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.840
something that works. But at the same time, I also
847
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.320
am like a like I definitely believe in the fact
848
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.039
that like medicine is yeah, you know what they say,
849
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:47.320
like why if you want to lose weight or if
850
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.239
you want to maintain or whatever. It's like diet is
851
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.679
eighty percent and exercises twenty percent. And I do think
852
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.639
that like like medication and therapy work the same way.
853
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.079
It's like medication is maybe the twenty percent of that
854
00:41:58.280 --> 00:41:59.880
or maybe maybe it's more in that case, like a
855
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.400
thirty percent, But like all of the medication in the
856
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.280
world won't help you if like you don't have a
857
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.000
stable life at home, if you if you don't have
858
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.480
food or like the resources that you need, if you
859
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.320
don't have shelter, if you don't have anyone that you
860
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.519
can talk to, if you don't have like a stable
861
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:19.920
life at school, you know what I mean, Like, if
862
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.800
you don't have stability and protection and feel safe in
863
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.440
your own life, that's not gonna help you, you know.
864
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.000
And it's maybe to the slightest degree, right, but at
865
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:32.599
the end of the day, you're still going to have
866
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.320
those issues.
867
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.719
Ultimately, it's not going to solve societal problems.
868
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.280
Yeah, and especially like in the case of this right,
869
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.119
like it's not going to solve the patriarchy, Like you know,
870
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:46.519
it's not and you know, back in the nineteen sixties,
871
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.639
and like I'm I don't I don't know Japan's history,
872
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.440
Like I can't say this for sure, but it's like,
873
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.239
at least in US history at that point in the US,
874
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.320
they weren't even running medical trials for medicine on women
875
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.480
or people of color. It was strictly like white men
876
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.960
who were included in these trials. And it kind of
877
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.159
also like adds a little bit to the shoe thing
878
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.159
where it's like he doesn't really understand what he's messing
879
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:11.760
with when he just makes this for her to like
880
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:12.880
be like here, feel better.
881
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.440
And you know, it's I think.
882
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.719
Like I said, it ties in into not really understanding
883
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.920
the medicine and not really understanding women and not necessarily
884
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.119
caring to and that being the larger issue, and it
885
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.599
approaches it and it's it's kind of like a dangerous
886
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.480
thing to approach a little bit, you know, And.
887
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.960
I mean even even even even trying to bring it up.
888
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.320
I want to be like very sensitive of it because yeah,
889
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.719
just seeing those like I don't know how I'm interpreting
890
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.920
this right now, Like I'm not really sure what this game.
891
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.840
On a first play through, I was not entirely sure
892
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:47.719
where the game was trying to tell me. And that's
893
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.320
not that's not a criticism of the game. It was
894
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.239
just me being like, this just feels like something I
895
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.239
may not be equipped to really be able to talk about,
896
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.960
which is why I was like, hey, just did you
897
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.639
feel about that? I'm kind of just to gauge and
898
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.239
see maybe help me out a bit.
899
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.559
So yeah, I mean because is it is it a
900
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:11.760
commentary on antidepressants and ant anxiety or is it a
901
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.039
commentary on masking everything else with other kinds of other
902
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.800
kind of substance abuse, you know. And then you have
903
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.320
the one situation, which in first play through is when
904
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.239
she just takes a bunch and then.
905
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.559
Beats the boss.
906
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.920
Beats the boss, goes to a wedding and kills everyone
907
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.719
and kills everyone there.
908
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.559
And it's interesting too because throughout the game, like one
909
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.159
of the first like optional areas that you can go
910
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.599
to when the map opens up a teeny bit and
911
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.519
like I don't like the second chapter I guess loosely,
912
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:49.000
or third it's before you go to Rinko's house, and
913
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.199
so like the corn fields are open or I guess
914
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:51.880
the rice patties.
915
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:52.280
I'm not sure.
916
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.480
I don't remember what they are. But the fields are open,
917
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.239
and you can go to that doctor's house, and.
918
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.239
That house is a lot feel like I have not
919
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.920
entirely unpacked what the hell is happening in that scene?
920
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.440
But I'm sorry, Jess, I won't interrupt.
921
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.920
No, no, no, you're totally right, though, I still don't
922
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:09.960
understand the eyeballs.
923
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:12.599
It's the eyeballs. Did I get this?
924
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:13.239
Did you not?
925
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.400
Did you go to the doctor's house, Yeah, right next
926
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.000
to the rice field before I went to uh Ko's.
927
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.000
Did you open the little box inside of his office?
928
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.760
No, no, because when I went it was locked, so
929
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:26.719
you could still open it.
930
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.440
There's a box you can open. There's a key in
931
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:29.920
that house.
932
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.159
Oh okay, I missed that.
933
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.039
Yeah, see I like that. I like that you saw.
934
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.280
But anyways, when you when you unlock it, yeah, it's
935
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.400
just like a medical's box and the very top of
936
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.920
it is just filled with human eyeballs. Yeah, and then
937
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.639
of course upstairs is the woman, whereas the mannequin body
938
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.880
that's just kind of chilling in this room. And it's
939
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:54.760
just like there's a lot there's like four narratives I
940
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.960
feel like that are happening alongside this game. There's like
941
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.760
the doctor's house. There's also the shack in the woods.
942
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:01.559
Did you find that.
943
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.119
Jess oh, the sanctuary.
944
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.280
Well with all the with all the dead bodies.
945
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.440
So in the second place I found the note where
946
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.360
it was like I need yes.
947
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.639
Yeah, So there's all these other like five different narratives
948
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:18.039
that are happening alongside of where you're like what is this?
949
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:18.320
Is it?
950
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.800
This town is vice principle just like Godden Yep, he
951
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.800
just likes gardening.
952
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.360
And that's of course where you lost keys. Yeah where was.
953
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:28.440
Yeah, because I didn't even think about because I was
954
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.079
going to say, like there's this back and forth with
955
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.119
like the doctors and some of the journals you find,
956
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.960
and then people who live in the town who are
957
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.400
like very big on natural medicine, like Shoes family, they
958
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.400
run the apothecary, and so like.
959
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.559
There's an interesting.
960
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:47.079
Conversation about like kind of the meeting and this is
961
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.440
something whenever I interviewed the creators like a couple of
962
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.800
months ago, they said they chose the nineteen sixties because,
963
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:53.840
at least in Japan, it.
964
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:55.639
Felt like the era that.
965
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.920
Was closest to like the Japan of the of the past,
966
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.920
where it was like there was more focus on tradition
967
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:08.920
and mythology and and religion and tradition. And now Japan,
968
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.239
of course like still has that, but it's there's it's
969
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.800
a lot more modern, and it's a lot more scientific,
970
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.760
and I think that that was like where they wanted
971
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.079
to explore, is like the meeting point of like the
972
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.960
traditional and like the new and scientific, and you can
973
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.360
kind of see that it's not like the predominant conversation,
974
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.920
but similar to how like Kinko is going through this
975
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.920
like awkward age transformation, like kind of the country is too,
976
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.960
and like that's reflected even in like what the women
977
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:35.800
character wants.
978
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.119
Oh, I mean, even the fact that the shrines are
979
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.039
falling into disrepair and people are ignoring them. But then
980
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.480
you have this shiny candy store in the middle of
981
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.199
town that felt so at odds with everything else that
982
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.039
was so traditional. As you're walking around and then there
983
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.960
are these bright colors that just looked so out of place.
984
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.159
All the shrines are just smashed into small little corners
985
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:01.280
and like little alleyways, and all that the the I
986
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.760
want to go. I want to move a little bit
987
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:09.239
into the actual endings or ending, should we say. I'm
988
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.440
going to do my best to try not spoiler spoil
989
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.360
other Silent Hell games for you, Lucy by saying this.
990
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:15.920
Thank you, because I really do you want to play too.
991
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.119
But I said this the jests and basically if you
992
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.400
were if you're at all familiar with the sound Hill games,
993
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.360
they all have like a ton of endings, right, and
994
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:31.800
in most cases the first ending is never really the thing,
995
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.079
but most you can basically get down to the bottom
996
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.639
of what happened in those games. There is always there's
997
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.519
usually always like this thing happened in Silent Hill too,
998
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.559
and I know it happened because of this ending. This
999
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.639
is the first sound Hill game where I'm not actually
1000
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:54.519
convinced the game had an ending at all, because every
1001
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.280
ending feels like its own scenario that could have happened.
1002
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.679
That could be the case, but none of them are
1003
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.920
definitive tree it's the victory, and of course the final
1004
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.679
ending does feel like the good ending, but even then
1005
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.519
it still feels like a fairy tale wonderland. Yeah, So
1006
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:18.880
basically to explain, I'm sure, so ending one ending one
1007
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.360
she you tell me what she did.
1008
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.840
Becomes the wolf girl fox is.
1009
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.960
So the ending of the first one is she killed
1010
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:29.719
people at her wedding.
1011
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.719
She kills people at her wedding, she like takes a
1012
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:32.840
bunch of those drugs, and.
1013
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:34.880
Then it establishes she's not sixteen at all.
1014
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:40.039
Yeah, she's actually twenty and it's her wedding and she.
1015
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:40.719
Killed them with a knife.
1016
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.000
Kills them with a knife. And then so that's like
1017
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.159
recontentionalizing the you know, her father attacks her with the knife.
1018
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:48.000
Did that actually happen?
1019
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.039
And it's like the world that she's in, it's almost
1020
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.880
kind of like she's just imagining it, Like it's just psychosis.
1021
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:56.960
So it's not like there's any sort of flashback type thing.
1022
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:01.480
It's like literally she's inhabiting this world. But like and
1023
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.599
at towards the end, it's like you start hearing like
1024
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:04.920
people being like, wholl what's wrong with you?
1025
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:05.400
What's wrong with you?
1026
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.719
Is you're like running through the town because it's kind
1027
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.039
of breaking, And then yeah, you see police lights. You
1028
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:12.920
hear that a woman was getting married today and it's
1029
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.760
just like mass murdering her friends and family.
1030
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.199
Yeah, she's she's trapped in this version of herself, which
1031
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:18.760
is probably what you were referring to earlier, like the
1032
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.000
last point in which she was before turning into adulthood.
1033
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.199
So she's trapped in the sixteen year old body and
1034
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:25.800
then she kills all friends.
1035
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.119
Well, it just kind of shows you too, Like it
1036
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.440
ties into that medicine thing we talked about right where
1037
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.559
it's like, this is the Hinoko who was just like
1038
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.760
abusing medication for years and years and years and was
1039
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.840
getting married despite not wanting to, and was following all
1040
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:42.679
of these rules despite not wanting to, had completely lost
1041
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.920
her freedom and like just snapped, you know, like she
1042
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.760
finally just like lost it because she repressed so much
1043
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.159
of herself that she just didn't feel like she just
1044
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.400
associated and just kind of it's kind of Lucy kind
1045
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:56.280
of almost nailed it when she said what she thought
1046
00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:00.480
was going on, Like basically like she was putting up
1047
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.760
with so much for so long until she just couldn't
1048
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:04.519
and she had to invent you know.
1049
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.440
Some other person, some other reality.
1050
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.639
To make and then we had the second or at
1051
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.360
least the second ending. You can unlock them in two
1052
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.119
different orders. For this one, I'll do the Fox's wedding,
1053
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:18.519
which is the one I got, which I think is
1054
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.320
the third ending. I got the second ending you got Jess,
1055
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.199
And in order to do this, you don't take red capsules.
1056
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:24.880
Don't take them.
1057
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.280
So in the Fox's Wedding, I would say, this is
1058
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.559
where she still kind of Shoe steps in with the
1059
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.159
baseball bet yes, and it's like you're marrying the wrong
1060
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.440
guy for the wrong reasons. But in this ending, she
1061
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.880
kind of seems acceptant of her fate, which is why
1062
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.719
she's like the full Fox basically like Fox arm Fox
1063
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:53.679
mask and defends Fox mask Man and then fights Shoe,
1064
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:59.719
which I think is an amazing fight. So and at
1065
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.800
the end of that they have their fist bump moment.
1066
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.639
They when talk about her and she even.
1067
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:06.719
Said trade her off.
1068
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.880
Yeah, they she she was like, look, I know her,
1069
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.480
you know I won't es best for her if you
1070
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.239
hurt her. I'll do this with this Fox Basket is like, no,
1071
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.360
don't you know I've fought for her love and I'm
1072
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.679
gonna make it whatever. And they're having this little bro moment,
1073
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.960
and she's standing behind both of them, crucially not at
1074
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.840
the same level. She she says, don't treat me like
1075
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:27.320
an object.
1076
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.079
They basically ignore and they're ignoring it. And so yeah,
1077
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.360
and then that ends with the great face her face
1078
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.559
is cut off and it's like, I don't want to
1079
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.320
be like my mother, and then the thing is like, amazing.
1080
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:41.840
So that's the other ending. That's the one you that's
1081
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.400
the second one you got, right, yeah.
1082
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.599
Yeah, that's the second one I got. And it's like
1083
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.840
at the first it's so funny because like that one
1084
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.880
ends kind of in a nice way, and then like
1085
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:52.760
the rest of the credits roll and then you get
1086
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.920
that scene and at first I was like, oh shit,
1087
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.199
Like I feel like I feel bad now because that
1088
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:58.280
wasn't that wasn't good.
1089
00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.599
But it's the same.
1090
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.000
As someone who has had a very complicated relationship with
1091
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.079
her mother and who took all of those fears and
1092
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:11.800
a lot of baggage into her relationships and to even
1093
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:15.199
like being a mom and stuff. I'm like, I kind
1094
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.599
of don't hate it because realistically, like that fear is
1095
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.400
always kind of there, and it's like you can kind
1096
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.599
of neatly wrap the experience in a bow and say,
1097
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.639
like she's happy it all worked out, but like that
1098
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.119
stuff sticks with you, like she probably does have that
1099
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.800
fear and we will have that fear for the rest of
1100
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.800
her life, you know, like she had a mom who
1101
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.960
didn't stick up to her and like kind of failed
1102
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:36.920
her as a parent, and a dad was abusive and
1103
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:37.679
an alcoholic.
1104
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.320
And then uh, we have a third ending where she
1105
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:47.039
fights the fox and runs away with shoe, which has
1106
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.079
the weirdest post credit scene, which was where it has
1107
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.519
a radio message that like people are being.
1108
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.280
Oh evacuated because of a poison gases.
1109
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.599
Yeah, which I was informed is apparently a theme that
1110
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.519
Right has in his other games because of the history
1111
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:07.639
Japan has had with chemical spills and like things that
1112
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.519
have been caused basically by the government poisoning water and
1113
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.360
doing nothing about it. So that has like the weirdest like.
1114
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.360
They get away, but then there's this other thing about
1115
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.800
that dream induced by poison gas.
1116
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.400
Yeah, that also is a great I also love the
1117
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.039
part in that ending when she was like you look
1118
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.599
ridiculous in that and she's like, well you like like
1119
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.199
look at you, You're wearing a tie. But of course
1120
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.519
they're just sixteen year olds in the vision. So and
1121
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.599
then again is that the real one? Is that what happened?
1122
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:38.719
Or is it number four?
1123
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:40.519
I think like that.
1124
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.920
I say that ending I think is like the most grounded,
1125
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.840
But I think that the fourth ending is my favorite.
1126
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.639
Well that's the thing. I thought the shoe one was
1127
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.000
the fairy tale ending, and then the fourth one happened.
1128
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.599
I was like, I don't fucking know, because in that ending,
1129
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.840
everyone kind of gets what they want.
1130
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.239
Like she, I mean, no one's in the town.
1131
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.480
And she's just with herself, still in her sixteen year
1132
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.119
old self, but with her other self.
1133
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.760
She's accepting, you know, her childhood, the fact that she's
1134
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.519
becoming an adult and she doesn't have to deal with
1135
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.199
anyone else's shit, and no one else is in that
1136
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:15.199
down It's.
1137
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.599
Like maybe we'll maybe one day we'll we'll get back
1138
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.000
together and make her own choice to get married. Do
1139
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.719
wudn't believe it. I was having candy with kids, I
1140
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:26.280
was experiencing childhood, and it was one of those things
1141
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.840
where I was like, this is the good ending. But
1142
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.000
then I kind of I don't know what the fuck
1143
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:36.119
happened or what really happened, which is great, which is
1144
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.599
exactly what I want. So, yeah, I'm gonna put it
1145
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:42.199
to you, jess what do you think happened?
1146
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:44.519
What do I think? See?
1147
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.159
I think that the point though, is that any one
1148
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:52.239
of them could, you know, And it's like, ultimately we're
1149
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.400
making these choices as players, and obviously like Hinoko is
1150
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:57.760
not a real person, right, But I think that at
1151
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.480
the same time, like there's almost kind of like this
1152
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.360
maybe meta narrative there of like well, like these are
1153
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.159
all the things that could happen, and maybe there's like
1154
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.119
a million other things that could happen too, and ultimately,
1155
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.400
like she's gonna write her own fate, you know, and
1156
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.159
it's just kind of like a glimpse at these possibilities.
1157
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:15.800
Yeah.
1158
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.000
I like that is because they're also they're all kind
1159
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.280
of a little messy in their own way. There is
1160
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.719
no perfect good outcome, and I think that is very
1161
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.519
true to life, like you never are going to get
1162
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:33.599
everything that you want. So I like Jessic's interpretation where
1163
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:34.239
these are just.
1164
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.639
Could have Yes, Yeah, that's how I took it. It
1165
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.719
was just the interpretation of what could happen to in
1166
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.400
any one case scenario of a person. Just it's the
1167
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:45.960
thing that I think this makes this game so good,
1168
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.800
even more so than other Soundhill games, is that it
1169
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.440
is a just sort of like it's not like it's
1170
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:54.320
a psychological horror where this you can explain things and
1171
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.760
there's deep lore and explanations for X, Y, and Z.
1172
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:58.639
Although they did connect this game to the other games,
1173
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.840
which I'm a little whatever about because I'm not a
1174
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.320
lower person. But it is the case in which it's
1175
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.719
not really anything happened. It's just like, this is the
1176
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.280
horror kind of spiral in which a person can go
1177
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.599
through when grappling with versions of themselves, expectations upon themselves,
1178
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.320
expectations of others, and what that means, how it affects
1179
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:22.960
you in your life and stuff like that.
1180
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.000
So, oh, you know what we didn't talk about what
1181
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:27.480
the other missing girl.
1182
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.800
Oh that I kind of was referring to that with
1183
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.000
the four other plot lines.
1184
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.360
Yeah, yeah, because that was one that I was like
1185
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.280
every time I found a note about her or the
1186
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.119
ripped thing on the noticeboard.
1187
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:42.519
That is one that I'm looking forward to the Internet solving. Right,
1188
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:43.400
There's a.
1189
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.119
Few things that are like that, where like, even when
1190
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.400
I was playing it, and I was like very intentionally
1191
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:50.239
like trying to like dig in, right, So I'm doing
1192
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.679
this review and I even wrote and I kind of
1193
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:54.159
agree with you, Kurt, like I wasn't.
1194
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.199
I wasn't one of those.
1195
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:56.480
People was like, how are they going to tie it
1196
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.320
to the other games? This isn't a real Silent Hill
1197
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.039
because I think that that's silly.
1198
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.079
But I'm glad that they did it in such a subtle way.
1199
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.880
Yeah, they did it subtle enough where it's like that's what.
1200
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:08.639
Yeah, it's like a very cause basically, I mean like
1201
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.920
the way that it's really really tied together is like
1202
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.079
the same type of flower that's used in the other
1203
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:18.159
Silent Hill games that has psychotic properties is the same
1204
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:19.920
flower that's growing your shoes house that.
1205
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.199
He uses to make her medicine.
1206
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.599
So like there's that tie of of like there being used,
1207
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.920
but I don't know, there's there's like just so many
1208
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.360
things where I'm like, I think I've grasped this. I
1209
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:35.880
think that I know what's going on, but even like
1210
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.199
the stuff with the doctor and just like I'm not
1211
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.119
entirely sure what the takeaway is here, like what the
1212
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.599
main story is, and so I am very interested to
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00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.719
see what the internet kind of deduces.
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00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.119
Yeah, I mean that that's kind of what I figured.
1215
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.480
The post credits scene where they were talking about the
1216
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.159
poison gas was alluring to that. It's like this town
1217
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:55.320
just has problems.
1218
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:59.760
Yeah, like type thing, but it was just stuff.
1219
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:07.679
Yeah, stuff is going on. The one kind of major
1220
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.800
thing I want to end this, or at least kind
1221
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.559
of move towards, is I'm just glad to play a
1222
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:18.440
new sound Hill game that focuses on Silent Hill being
1223
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.159
a state of mind rather than a place with a
1224
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.880
history and a thing, and the fact that like this
1225
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:29.400
is It's why I think I controversially think sold Hill
1226
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.440
four is one of the better sound Hill games, but
1227
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.400
that's because it removes It's like there's still references to
1228
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.440
Silent Hill, but that game focuses on this man being
1229
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.760
trapped in a place that clearly is not real or
1230
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.199
a place that is deeper in meaning and doesn't actually
1231
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.360
connect to some lore. And why I've never really been
1232
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.719
a fan of one or three. I know you don't
1233
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.320
know anything about this, but is because they tried to.
1234
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.159
There's like cults and witches and all of these things.
1235
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:56.760
And I've always thought sold Hill two is one of
1236
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.840
the better ones because it's like it really is. Just man,
1237
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:08.119
that's it. So I I just think it's so cool
1238
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.119
that and brave in a way that Konami's like, all right,
1239
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:12.880
we're on the tail end of the Silent Hill two
1240
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.599
remake being a success, being well received after what felt
1241
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.960
like was an impossible feat, and now they have a
1242
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.519
game that is completely They chose to be like, we're
1243
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:22.840
not going to remake another one, We're going to make
1244
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.519
a new one, and they knocked it out of the park.
1245
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:32.599
Neo Birds and yeah, this game. That's the one thing
1246
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:35.480
that I'm interested in you, Lucy, because this is your
1247
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.800
first Soundhill game, and I do not know how you're
1248
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.119
gonna fare going into other ones because they're so darkly different.
1249
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:44.880
That's the thing that I'm excited about. I want to
1250
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.239
experience Silent Hill too. I think that will be my
1251
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.159
next one. I love horror, and yeah, for some reason,
1252
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.400
Silent Hill has always been a spot that I've just
1253
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:55.760
never explored.
1254
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.599
Everyone stereotype me. Yeah, everyone, I just thought I was
1255
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:01.360
a Soulent Hill person.
1256
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:02.199
I thought you were.
1257
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:10.320
Yeah, well you guess what You're all wrong? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1258
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:10.840
Like I.
1259
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.360
Literally remember when I saw two.
1260
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.719
I did like the preview event for that, and I
1261
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.639
don't know if I like wrote it my preview and
1262
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:18.480
I sent it your way or something Kurt, and I
1263
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:20.079
was just like, what do you think is like a
1264
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.000
big silent Hill fan and You're like, well, I was.
1265
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.679
Like, buckle up, No, I think it was. It was
1266
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.159
actually during the sound Hill to Remake review process, MARKT.
1267
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.599
Delaney reviewed it, but I was handling the video coverage,
1268
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.000
and again it was one of those things where no
1269
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:35.960
one everyone just kind of looked at me, and I
1270
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.679
was like, it's fine, I'm okay with it. Because I
1271
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.760
often say resident or I'm sorry, I often say Survival
1272
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.079
Horror is my beat, Like that is the thing that
1273
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.719
like I'm comfortable being like having a touching point for
1274
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.079
what I know a lot about. So it's fine, it's fine.
1275
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.000
But I do remember messaging Jess because I think Jesse
1276
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.800
were just like, well, how do you think? Like how
1277
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.480
is it? Like I hear it's really good, and I
1278
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:00.840
was like that's when I was like, well, if this
1279
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.840
means anything as someone who is not a fan of
1280
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.119
this original game, who has a lot of problems with it,
1281
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:10.800
this is fucking awesome. I was like, this is great.
1282
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.119
And the thing that the sc that Sunhill f does.
1283
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.360
That I think makes the franchise work for me today
1284
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.840
is that you technology today allows subtlety to breathe, like
1285
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:29.920
actual face animations, actual acting, and the way people can
1286
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:31.920
say something cryptic that doesn't make any sense but you
1287
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.960
can read you can pick up on so much more
1288
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.760
nuanced because of the technology, because of graphics and the
1289
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:41.519
Oh my god, there's a scene with Sho, like right
1290
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:43.559
when you meet him for the first time, where he
1291
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.880
gives you the red thing and like he does a
1292
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.760
little like shrug and his eyes twitch a certain way,
1293
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.719
and it felt like something. It felt so much more
1294
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:53.320
than a sentence he could have said, And I was like,
1295
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.840
oh my god. And Silent Heal two remake is all that.
1296
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.599
It's just movements and expressions on things that sentences that
1297
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:02.079
were bullshit lines to me in the first game have
1298
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.360
completely different meaning in this game to me because of
1299
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.559
the way the actors express it. And that's where I
1300
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.320
was like, Silent Hill is at its best right now.
1301
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.480
And I never thought I would say it's because of technology,
1302
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:13.079
but I really do think so I.
1303
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:14.280
Was about to say the same thing.
1304
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.840
I am totally not like, go oh, Like, the graphics
1305
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.400
are so good, it's so high fidelity. Like I'm not
1306
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:23.079
that kind of person ninety nine percent of the time,
1307
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.039
but it is like I've seen, like more and more
1308
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.840
a lot of people who, like we would traditionally call
1309
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.559
voice actors right in video games, being like I would
1310
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.199
prefer it if I was just called an actor, because
1311
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.920
more often than not, like these people are doing motion capture,
1312
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.119
like they're acting, like they're doing full blown acting alongside
1313
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:42.679
other people just for video games.
1314
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:43.760
And so I've been trying to make.
1315
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.920
Like a really conscious effort to like just say actors
1316
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.519
instead of you know, trying like just constantly going to
1317
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.480
vo or, you know, voice actor. And yeah, like in
1318
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:56.960
this game, especially like it and also Silent Hill too,
1319
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:01.280
it like the performance is really you make it. I
1320
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:03.920
played the I played Silent Hill f both in English
1321
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.960
and in Japanese. I did Japanese first and then I
1322
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:09.119
did English, and like, both are fantastic. I think I
1323
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.199
probably prefer the Japanese. I feel like it's just.
1324
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.840
If she doesn't get nominated, if she doesn't get nominated
1325
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:18.719
for something, I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna flip out incredible.
1326
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.599
She does like sex different roles basically and like different
1327
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:25.280
layers of those roles in different situations. Like you didn't
1328
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.639
see the there's we have to wrap this up, but
1329
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:29.400
there's scenes that she does with her parents that are, oh,
1330
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.679
she like, you see a totally different side of her
1331
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.480
acting chops because you don't see her react, you don't
1332
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:38.239
see her talk to her parents, actually really talk to
1333
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.639
her parents, and it gives a totally different context. She's phenomenal, phenomenally,
1334
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.480
she's so good. She's not just screaming the whole time,
1335
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.039
but she's screaming. But her screaming is great. The screaming
1336
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:49.639
she does is good.
1337
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:53.119
Yes, it's impressive, screaming my throat.
1338
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.119
Listen listening to her screaming.
1339
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.239
Anyways, we have we're gonna bring this tow clothes. I
1340
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.159
feel like we didn't even we talked about we didn't
1341
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:08.320
even talk about playing the game. But the fox are good. Yeah,
1342
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.119
that's that was God. That was the hardest part to
1343
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.159
keep secret is to be like, because when that fox
1344
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:17.440
arm showed up, not just the scene in which she
1345
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.559
gets it, but when it shows up, you start playing
1346
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.239
with it. I remember I stood up in my room
1347
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:25.519
being like, I don't fucking know what's happening. But this fucking.
1348
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:32.599
That series of events, it's so cool, like I I
1349
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.079
hate to be like the girl and it's so funny
1350
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:37.039
because like I remember somebody in Slack the second that
1351
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.320
yes RB rating went up for the game, they were
1352
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.719
just like ellameo, like what is happening? It's true because
1353
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.159
it literally says like woman burned alive in cage, like
1354
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:55.960
woman is branded cut off. It's it is just also good,
1355
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.679
like that whole like ritual sequence is so good. And
1356
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:00.800
then you get like the powers at the end, and
1357
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:02.960
it's so wild because it's like you spend so much
1358
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.679
of the game just feeling very weak and then you
1359
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:06.920
get to like the spirit world and you lose like
1360
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.239
the weapon durability aspect because you get like the little
1361
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.960
yea hell yeah so powerful and then you get that
1362
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.480
and you're just like, Okay, this place is this is
1363
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:17.519
my my place now?
1364
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.920
Yeah? The uh, the the one boss fight you two
1365
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.440
didn't get the fight, but I had my stand up
1366
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.480
and scream and freak out thing all over again. Was
1367
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.639
the final fourth boss fight where you the camera goes
1368
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:33.960
from that looks being fox arm and then the camera
1369
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:36.360
transitions into the water where you're just normal with your
1370
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.039
pipe and I was like, I stood up and I
1371
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:43.440
was like, I'm playing god. I was freaking out. I
1372
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.239
was having so good And the fact that you fight.
1373
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.199
Her also, oh sorry, I feel like we could talk
1374
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:49.760
about this all the time. One other thing that I
1375
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.800
loved in the first ending when she starts to take
1376
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:54.639
the pills and then she's running out and the camera
1377
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:55.320
just zooms.
1378
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.920
Oh yeah, she gets smaller, but the pills are just
1379
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:00.480
getting larger and larger and larger.
1380
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:02.480
Like I love that disorienting shit.
1381
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.039
It reminds you of like in Metal Gear Solid two,
1382
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:05.440
right like towards the end, I feel like they do
1383
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:07.480
that too, where they just like pull out and it's
1384
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:11.280
just it's so weird how just like changing the camera
1385
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:15.639
that little bit completely alienates you and you feel like
1386
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.079
you're just so tense and I don't know, it's it
1387
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:19.079
was such a good touch.
1388
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:20.159
I loved that part.
1389
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:22.599
Yeah, I feel like I wanted to be able to
1390
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.000
use the spoiler cast to get into the nitty gritty
1391
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.599
of stuff that I just was like, Eire's just so
1392
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.960
much of it, so much of it, much, so much
1393
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.360
of it. But yeah, fox arm.
1394
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:34.320
Did you find her hand in a box?
1395
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:37.679
I did? I did find that and her face, Yeah,
1396
01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:43.320
the face like when it cuts away and shows just
1397
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.639
the slab of her eye, like the part of her
1398
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:51.199
face just kind of laid down. I was like, oh hell, anyways.
1399
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.599
I didn't expect the ocami. I found a note where
1400
01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.800
it's it's like, it's not a video call me, but
1401
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.639
it's like a Japanese myth, a legend where it's a
1402
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:03.360
Roachi with the heads.
1403
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.159
And I don't know if I even put the okami
1404
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:06.760
thing together.
1405
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:10.840
That is the plot of a comedy. It's funny. Roachi
1406
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.599
is the beast with a bunch of heads, and Susanna
1407
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:16.600
is the the guy.
1408
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:17.279
The guy.
1409
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.920
You're the wolf god, the wolf god.
1410
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.680
I seriously cold talk about this game all day. So anyways,
1411
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.760
this has been great for me because I have been
1412
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:27.439
bottled up.
1413
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:29.479
You've been like that meme of the guy with the
1414
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:30.359
vein on his.
1415
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.279
Oh my god, yeah no, that is like I it's
1416
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:36.039
been so painful, and I've been trying so hard. You've
1417
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.000
been very good to not say. Well, actually, my concern
1418
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.439
was just being excited. I was like felt like I
1419
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.720
was being too excited, but I was like it was
1420
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:45.000
just bottled up, Like.
1421
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:49.920
I just got jump, like it's like and it's nerve
1422
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:52.079
wracking to you. I feel like being like super super
1423
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.000
excited about a game, like before it's.
1424
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:55.439
Out, no one's playing it.
1425
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.840
Yeah, and then I always like and it really doesn't matter.
1426
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.359
Like I even told Kurt. Kurt was just like, just
1427
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.000
just like give it whatever review you think it deserves,
1428
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.439
like just write your thing. But I'm like, I always
1429
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:06.840
just get in my head because I'm like, what if
1430
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.640
I'm that person who like, this game is my ship.
1431
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.159
It is so good. I'm giving it a nine. It's fantastic,
1432
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.000
and everybody else comes out there's like sixes and gives
1433
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.479
it doesn't matter, Like I stick to my gun.
1434
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:20.119
That's why I was like, I was like, look, you
1435
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:23.359
you just need to write the text and like everyone
1436
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.359
else will decide on what the text reads if you
1437
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.239
think not that we gave it a ton, but just
1438
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.199
saying if you think a game is a ten and
1439
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.359
you feel like that's too much, trust me. I went
1440
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.239
through this. You've given a couple of tens. I've only
1441
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:36.520
given I give it one ten. Yeah, and I and
1442
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.600
I regret there's one game I regret not giving a
1443
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.399
ten that will not disclose here. Oh yes, but It's
1444
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.159
one of those things where you know, I it's just
1445
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.920
sometimes you just like you gotta put it on paper,
1446
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.479
and if that's how you feel, then then the text
1447
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:56.359
will speak for that thing. Silent just like in Silent Hell.
1448
01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.039
Well, that's like we like there.
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I don't know, I feel like we claim over and
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over and over again that like there's no such thing
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as an objective review like to Chase that is just
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01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:08.720
absolutely ridiculous. So you just kind of have to find
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people who like, maybe you like their reviews, they have
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01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.039
an overlap in the games that they actually like with you,
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and just like stick with them. So ultimately, it's like
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01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.439
this game worked for me. It worked so well. It
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01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:24.720
hit so many themes and just had so much that
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01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.880
resonated with me extremely deeply, and there's no world in
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01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.520
which I would regret giving it a nine.
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01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.119
Like I think it's so well done.
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01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:35.520
Yeah, I actually think I'm actually surprised as not as more.
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Am I divisive?
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01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.079
Yeah? I actually thought was more divisive. I was like
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01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:42.279
there was a point where I was like, Silent Hole
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01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:44.079
fans are going to be like, what the fuck is this?
1466
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:45.239
Yeah?
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01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:46.760
The subrodditts on Lockdown a.
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01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:49.800
Bit okay, well, in terms of ratings and scores, it
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01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:51.920
was not as divisive as I thought it was going
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to be. So when I actually saw it come out
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01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.119
like consistently. I know there's a few reviews that leaked,
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01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:01.760
a few reviews that went out early, and I know
1473
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:04.079
there's been some lower ones, but generally across the border
1474
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:07.479
is like, this is not as I didn't I was interested.
1475
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.760
People were going to be like, why did you call
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01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:10.720
this a solid hill game?
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01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:14.039
People are conversation.
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01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:17.439
Well, thankfully, I'm not seeing it. I'm in my little
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01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.079
world just enjoying things and it's great.
1480
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:23.319
I think it's not as intense as as it could be, though,
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01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.399
Like there are a lot of people who jump to
1482
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.760
the same thing that I've been saying, where it's like,
1483
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:31.279
sure doesn't take place in Silent Hill, but you have this, this,
1484
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.239
this and this and this, and like that's more what
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01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.600
Silent Hill is anyway, So I don't understand what the
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01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:37.760
what the big deal is.
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01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:39.199
So I don't know.
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01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:42.720
I think that the majority of folks that I've seen
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01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:44.920
are on board with it, but there is of course
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01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:45.840
some people who.
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01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.479
That's okay, that's okay, that's all right. People get mad
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01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:53.399
at me because you know, I'm not a silent Hill fan,
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01:11:53.520 --> 01:12:00.560
but now after this, I'm silent pilled, very good. Good
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01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.119
at the very beginning of this podcast, and hell because
1495
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:07.680
I was going to tie it into the medication part
1496
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:11.960
of the GOT for the very end. Anyways, Jessica Cau's, well,
1497
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:13.319
it was so good having you here. He was so
1498
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:15.520
good being able to chat about this. I've been wanting
1499
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.560
I deliberately, I haven't really You've obviously picked up on
1500
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.720
my feelings, but I deliberately wasn't telling you how I
1501
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:22.600
felt about the game. I think you just read it.
1502
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:24.199
I think you just like I was, like, I was
1503
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:24.680
waiting for that.
1504
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.439
What's up with's face? Is he smiling?
1505
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.359
I think you're, like I said, your enthusiasm when you
1506
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:35.079
genuinely do like something comes through and so like, I
1507
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.119
was like, even if he's not saying it, I think
1508
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:37.720
he likes it.
1509
01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:40.439
I just because I'm very respectful of people who review games,
1510
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:44.079
and I don't want to have them hear what I
1511
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.520
think about said thing. But I was definitely when you
1512
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.439
said this thing was fucking sick, I was like, fucking yes,
1513
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:55.039
it was okay, Jessica as well, thank you for being here.
1514
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.279
Lucy James. Yeah, the new the.
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01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.319
New sound, the new Silent Hill, a fish, you're not
1516
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:00.920
on the block?
1517
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.000
Yeah, what does F stand for? Will end it? There?
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01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:04.640
Forte?
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01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:06.960
You've already basically.
1520
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:09.840
No, but I think because she finally becomes loud about
1521
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:11.840
things like.
1522
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.680
Literally, Lucy, Yes, that's it my exact thought. I was
1523
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:15.520
just telling my sister.
1524
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.399
She was like, so what is it? Did they even clarifying?
1525
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:19.640
Like, I think it's Forte because it is the Forte
1526
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.920
symbol and like it juxtaposes Silent Hill and it's all
1527
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:26.479
about gaining your voice. And I'm like, I think it's
1528
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:27.319
got to be Forte.
1529
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.000
Yeah, but I don't want to know.
1530
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.239
Yeah, I mean either that's the beauty of it. And
1531
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:33.560
I'm your host, who is very honored to be here.
1532
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:37.199
That's the first after Dark episode I've ever hosted. I know,
1533
01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:40.920
isn't that wacky dacky? I know, skibbity bop show up up?
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01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:46.960
Look at me growing up? F F four.
1535
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:50.840
Are you hurt?
1536
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.640
Oh yeah no, I've already chopped his face off and
1537
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:57.039
stepped on it, did you miss? Yeah? My fox mouth's
1538
01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:00.600
right over there, bam there it is alright everyone, Thank
1539
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.159
you so much for listening. Thank you so much for
1540
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:04.079
being here. Thank you so much for listening all of
1541
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.279
us chit chat away. I'm gonna go continue screaming inside
1542
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:09.199
because I could probably keep talking about this game for
1543
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:15.039
a while. Okay, so long, folks. Bye b