Don't WASTE Your Life Chasing Success (It's NOT Worth It!)

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not God, you're not a robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time you stop, it is an acknowledgment that everything doesn't depend on you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stopping is an act of trust.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that not resting is actually a sign of immaturity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How many of you have kids that love to go to bed on time, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys would argue on complain and come up with every excuse in the book where you need to stay up and not rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, that's the kind of behavior that children have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then so you get older, you get more mature, you realize that rhythm is a gift.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have intentional moments in my life where I work, where I run, and when I stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes, you know, if there's a hundred percent of you, it may be more or less of each of those things in a particular season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what you can't have is redlining all the time, is that's going to lead to a place where you're part of that burnout statistic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the gaining ground podcast where we're all about helping men grow My name is Landon and it's always an honor to be your host and I've got with me my faithful co-hosts He's back on this episode dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, here's what I'm going to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're a wonder, like what you're thinking about your life in 30 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the, I mean, it's more like 15 because they're 30 years from now probably be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you'll be 87.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be 89.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 89.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, here's why I asked that question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I'm up right and breathing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what, here's why I asked that question because legacy is a big deal, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and faithfulness is a, is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And living a life that counts is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, I look around our cultural landscape and part of the reason why we even have this podcast is because there's a bunch of men who are trying to answer the question of purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why are they here?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are they doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you doing something that counts?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that you probably start asking those questions like when you get out of your parents' house and you start trying to really contribute to the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of us have a misaligned definition of what success actually looks like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the truth is, is the more I've thought, and like, you know, I'm 32, will be 33 this summer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think my life goal is to be a faithful old man with gray hair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's proud of how I followed Jesus and led my family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know that I would have answered that question that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, five years ago, maybe even two years ago, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's probably some people listening to this right now that if I were to ask you that question, you know, what do you hope your life looks like in 30 years?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My family doesn't want for anything financially.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was able to put my mark or build a brand on something and I think that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of guys would say financially free financially free and there's another wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the day, what matters most?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's what I want to talk about today, you know, part of the reason why I've got you on here is because you're, you're further ahead than me in the journey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's talk about for success for just a moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did, what did success look like for you when you were like, I don't know, 25 or 30?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what do you think it looks like for you now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think, you know, first of all, I was a young father.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a dad when I was 22.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was like an awakening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so to your relief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, immediately, I had to grow up real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And success was just taking care of my wife and my baby, which was your sister, Hannah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think I ever thought about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we were, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you got two kids under the age of five, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just, you're just wanting to, you know, make today work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I, I think that I, I don't think when I was 25, I thought too far ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was just thinking, living for the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was a youth pastor in a large church and we were understaffed and I was super busy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably, I'm guessing I understand what it's like to be so busy with life that it's hard to even see the light at the end of the tunnel or into the future or think about what sort of... Just survival mode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's probably a lot of guys that are in that right now, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was what it looked like then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does success look like for you now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's what you mentioned, I mean, I want
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know that what I did, that my life counted, that mattered, that impacted people, that people, that the life that I lived, and the work that I did led to transformation in others, and I, and I,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's, you know, I will tell you this, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your mom and I, we were watching that show, the Madison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never seen that show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's on Paramount.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Kurt Russell and, and because I always thought he was kind of cool, you know, and he's sitting on this rock and share, it is at a cabin in Montana, and he's talking about
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[SPEAKER_02]: his whole life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that might be what I want in 30 years for what it's worth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably old man sitting on front porch and the problem is he dies in the first episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's such a bummer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What a bummer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the buzzkill because he was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Never mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Life is seen with his brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's life is seen with his brother and it's just awesome and then they get into a storm and they're playing crashes and he dies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he just talked about he was he made all this money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and did all these things and built all these buildings and built this business and he's like, I don't have anything to show for, except for a big old bank account.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, I looked over to your mom and I said, I'm so, I feel so fulfilled because I know that when I go to work every day, that that
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[SPEAKER_02]: what I do does matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I want for every guy listening on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and, and I want to, I want to make sure you guys know those like, because there could be a thought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, Drew, okay, fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you're a pastor, you know, you work for, for God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's an eternal consequence in, in your job or what you do every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, I'm not sure what that looks like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I want to talk for the next few minutes about something that I actually think is contributing to this feeling of question mark of like, what is my purpose and am I doing the right thing and am I going to be, you know, 30 years down the road from right now wherever I'm at or 10 years down the road, whatever the marker is based on, you know, your season that you're in thinking did what I do counted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually think, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It has to do with the pace we run life at, a hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what I mean by that and actually think it's interesting, the 25-year-old me had to face something, the 25-year-old you did not, which is the pace of culture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is way different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's way different because of technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you, I didn't have to deal with social media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so like the reality of anyone in today's age that's, and I don't, whether you're 18 years old, you just got out of high school, you're starting in the college or workforce or you've been in the workforce for a bunch of years and now you're having to adapt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Most of us are living in this, like, we're always on, we're always available, we're always producing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: My job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd spend most of my time on my phone, my email, it's what I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the people business for lack of a better phrase.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, it's really easy to be addicted to, like, just constantly doing things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the truth is, the dangerous part is that doesn't feel unhealthy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At first, it actually feels responsible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, feels like you're, I mean, I'm a mover and a shaker here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm yep, it's up done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, but here's what I did some research for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've, others was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Gallup, they do those polls.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Real, real, reputable place says two out of every three people in the U.S.
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[SPEAKER_03]: say they're burned out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, two out of every three.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some studies say it's even higher, closer to 80%, 80%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just to define like what burnout is, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'm talking about purpose, living a life of purpose where you're an old man in a rock and chair, you got something to look at and you're thinking, hey, I live to good life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And addressing the burnout, you got right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So those two things are connected.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what is burnout?
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[SPEAKER_03]: burnout is how burnout is a symptom, resulting from chronic workplace stress or life stress that has not been successfully managed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and there's obviously the personal life and your vocational life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One vocational life note, again, is from Gallup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 70% of people say they're dealing with high stress at their job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's where it gets real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't stop at work and that you even alluded to this right when you're talking about being a young dad and having, having Hannah and then obviously the two of us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ninety two percent of working parents say they're burned out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ninety two percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I believe working parents say they're burned out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that because you you come home from work and then your wife, it it it let let's say your wife stays at home that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, or maybe she works to and the kids are in daycare.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you come home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say she's a stay at home mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's exhausted when you get home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she's handing you the kid and you're not quite ready because you're pretty tired from work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So manic, it can be or other way around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, she's working and you've been watching the kids all day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, well, McKinsey and I did both, right, when we were both working
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's good things about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's downsides obviously and then now she's she does stay at home full time But she's part time and yes hundred percent There is a feeling of I feel like I can't get my head above water for sure, okay, but but here's my point Living your life that way can lead to a place where you're burned out and exhausted and you don't know why and You don't know how you got here and so there has to be some sort of fix Okay
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's worth our time to consider what that fix is because the truth is if you look in the Bible, there is absolutely nothing that would suggest faithfulness is burning yourself out for Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That you cannot find that in the New Testament.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What you can find is what faithfulness
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[SPEAKER_03]: faithfulness for the long haul.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we can fuse busy with effective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK, and we've actually, I think, normalized burnout, just because of the reality of the world we live in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we kind of normalize an unsustainable pace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everything is on all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get text and emails and Slack notifications and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it feels like 24 hours a day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Technology has, I think, a race start stopping points.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to notice that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK, this is, I think this, some of you will be able to relate to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, when I was a kid, and we had a snow day, you remember how we found out, we'd be sitting around the TV and you're praying for a cancellation, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you watch your on WFFA or whatever, and you see your school district, the school process.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it says, you know, whatever ISD is closed, and it was like the greatest moment of you for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greatest moment of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: online days yeah which is that's crazy yeah that's crap it is crap that's crap i i hated that snow days were some of the best because i grew up in Indiana man we had we had snow days so that that was awesome the snow days here is like it ranged too hard so yeah like one inch of snow and you mean you know we we get
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I remember this is crazy, but I was talking to my mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My mom's 85 years old and they had like a storm in January that they got nine inches of snow and it was on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I called her on Sunday because I just assumed she watched church online.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, do you watch church online today and she goes, no, I went and I'm like, I thought y'all got nine inches of snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes, yeah, I wasn't a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we got nine inches of snow, our church will close for a month, you're 85-year-old grandmother got up and went to church.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nine inches of snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's off topic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think you're on to something here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think one of things that causes burnout and maybe maybe this is the precursor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think we have this society where people are so
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[SPEAKER_02]: like you are falling behind in every area of your life if you're married or you're in a relationship or you're putting enough time in to make it work or you're single and you're not married yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or you're not dating and you're thinking of my gosh, I'm never gonna find anybody and I'm freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a student, man, am I doing enough in class to keep my grades up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My dad's gonna be mad if my grades aren't good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you're an employee, you know, I want to raise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I doing enough to get a promotion?
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[SPEAKER_02]: business owners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a lot of business owners that listen to this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can only imagine the stress that you guys feel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Always competition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone always looking to steal away your your business or your empire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody won up and you, I don't know why do we feel this way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think we've we've we've normalized never turned it off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The good news is, is the Bible does have clarity around how to handle this, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there is an answer and I'm thankful for that because I do, I think it can feel sometimes like there's real no antidote for this, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think we've confused activity with effectiveness, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because, because, you know, you mentioned the feeling of falling behind, like, like, a lot of times we, we've, we've, we've, we tire our identity, um, to our output.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think social media can help help us think that way and an unhelpful way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but what I've realized more over the last couple of years is, like, I'm not a flipping robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the truth is, it's like, okay, Elon says that AI robots are coming, okay, well, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't keep up with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and does not ask me to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, but, but,
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[SPEAKER_02]: there is there is an answer for this okay and I want to talk about that but dead what what did you what were you about to say well I just think it's ironic we we live in the richest society that is ever existed yet we still constantly fear we don't have enough we live longer and better than any other culture in human history the life expectancy is better than it's ever been yet we never seem to have enough time we have more time saving devices than ever
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we're always in a hurry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I read a, I saw something on my Instagram Explore page.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It came across about a, is a politician.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe he's a former senator named Ben Sass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was, he was interviewed on the New York Times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the title of the clip is advice on living from a dying man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw this and he I guess he's dying from pancreatic cancer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think they've given him a few months to live But I want to watch this clip and listen to Ben's perspective because I think it's pretty valuable and then we'll talk about Yeah, the Bible suggestions for how to live a life that counts
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there advice that you would give to someone who is, you know, the Ben Sass, father of three at age 40?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, honor the Sabbath and keep it holy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dinner time is precious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man lock up your devices and keep them away from the table and prioritize that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a limit to how many trips a month are really worth it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of had a rule of thumb that seven nights a month at hotel was
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[SPEAKER_03]: in his area of influence or his vocation, he got to the top of the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here he is sitting here at a hospital bed under radiation going, I wish I would have had more dinner with my family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of his take away and he knows interesting this year at the end of 2025 McKinsey and I sat down and we talked about, you know, what are some things that we could do differently or better for each other like as a spouse and so, you know, she tells me everything I do great and that's awesome and then I just said, well, which one thing I can do better
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, if you could just be on your phone less when you're home, that'd be really helpful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, man, it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it struck me like it was I was at first I was like what are you serious like that can't be it and then I started thinking about the amount of times that I'm looking at my phone and my daughters are trying to talk to me or you know I get home and I'm still on I'm still on a call and then all of a sudden somebody calls me at 7 p.m. and I got to answer it and then somebody calls me at 9 p.m. and I want to answer it and I have an addiction to being available
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exposed in that honestly for me and I can't speak for everybody is is a trust issue Okay, a trust issue for for who well, do I believe that God is good enough big enough strong enough Omni potent enough omniscient enough
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[SPEAKER_03]: to give me enough for every single day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That whole daily bread concept for the Bible, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's the data, I want to talk about that because if you're sitting here and you're here and that Ben Sassin review guys and you're thinking, oh my gosh, I don't, you know, I want to get to the end of my life and hear well done, good and faithful servant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all do, there's a way to do this in scripture that's outlined and here's how I would describe it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: human beings, okay, which is all of us, we're designed for rhythm, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're designed for rhythm, from the very beginning of the Bible of creation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you see?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see, God created the earth in seven days, six days he worked, and what do you do in the seven day?
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[SPEAKER_02]: he rested he rested right it's the model you can find by the way you can find that's in Exodus 20 God talks about this right and in the obviously Genesis chapter two and and the question that I always had is like why does God rest why did he create the earth in six days and then say on the seventh day I'm gonna rest do you think is because God was tired no I think you'll mean answer the question yeah that'd be helpful I think God knew that we needed a day of rest so much that he decided to roll model it for us so he was
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah okay and and i think my immediate reaction to the whole like hey one day a week you should rest things like i don't know it just sounds like you're escaping work um or that that's lazy or i don't know if i have time for that in this season of my life and the truth is is that is a trust issue okay
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that there is a rhythm that God designs for us as human beings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not an AI robot, you're a real human being created by God for his good and for his purposes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so we're going to shift the conversation, talk about rhythm, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, we're designed for rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You are not a robot, which means you have limits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to be a part of the Gallup percentage that you're burned out and you get to the end of your life and go on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did I do with all the time that I have?
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[SPEAKER_03]: To your point, Dad, God also commands rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, in Exodus, chapter 20.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting about Exodus 20 is that's when God is laying out the commandments, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's saying on the seventh day,
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... it's a Sabbath to the lord and he says on it you shall not do any work and he then he goes and he gets specific he says neither you okay okay though so not not you nor your son or daughter this is interesting nor your male or female servants nor your animals
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said not to work the animals, isn't that wild?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so everyone needed to rest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I think is important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stopping is an active trust.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time you stop, it is an acknowledgement that everything doesn't depend on you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That you're not God, that you're not a robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I use the word rhythm,
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[SPEAKER_03]: instead of balance or even the word sabbath.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think sabbath is a bad word.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just like Jesus' view of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rhythm is I'm gonna have intentional moments in my life
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[SPEAKER_03]: where I work, where I run, and when I stop.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes, you know, if there's a 100% of you, it may be more or less of each of those things in a particular season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what you can't have is redlining all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's gonna lead to a place where you're part of that burnout statistic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that not resting is actually a sign of immaturity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you talk to me more about that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how many of you have kids that love to go to bed on time, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like zero of us?
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[SPEAKER_02]: None of the kids that know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you guys were little and you, I'm sure Halle and Scott here like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys would argue on complaining and come up with every excuse in the book why you, why you need to stay up and not rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that's, that's the kind of behavior that children,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then so you get older and you get more mature, you realize that rhythm is a gift that you need rest rest is a gift's imperative and Jesus talks about that in Mark chapter two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a group of people that were upset at him for healing somebody on the Sabbath day Which is hilarious, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He heals a human being of a physical ailment
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[SPEAKER_03]: and they're mad at him for healing somebody on the Lord's day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what does he tell him?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He says the Sabbath was made for me and not man for the Sabbath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark 227, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So so what do we learn from that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: A rhythm isn't a rule.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, God didn't create rest of her stricter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He created to restore you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the good evaluation point for us, as we hear about these things, is you gotta decide, like what rhythm am I actually,
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[SPEAKER_03]: What rhythm am I actually listening living in?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where am I red line in all the time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Am I getting at my computer and doing emails for three hours after my family goes to bed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it won't be clear, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That almost sounds noble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand that there are seasons when that has to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What I am saying though is that is impossible to sustain for an extended period of time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember, I think we might have talked about this on a previous podcast, but it was so impactful for me and I can't remember who said it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, the phrase that we always go back to, hey, it's just a busy season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a busy season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a busy season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember saying that one time and somebody telling me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, like, and because I would tell myself, hey, if I just get to the next thing, yeah, it will calm down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when things settle down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When things settle down, and how many of us know that that doesn't ever happen?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I can tell you, I'm gonna be 60 this fall and nothing that things never settle down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you've got, you've got to be in control of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and I think the learning for me in that is, we talked, you know, we talked about this too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're either thermometer or thermostat, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is a thermostat do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thermostat has the ability to control the climate that they're living in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, change the thermometer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thermometer shows up and it just looks like whatever is going on in that room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If it's high addiction to work, if it's addiction to progress, you're going to fall in line with that type of climate, but a thermostat has the ability to live differently and trust God with that process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I think this is why it's so important to read to read the gospels and to read your Bible, because we've been talking a lot about that and gaining ground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to get 1% better every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do we do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we get by from the Word of God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you think of one example?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm throwing you a question you weren't expecting, but can you give me one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of nice to be the one that can you give me one example from the
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where he was in a hurry?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The book of Mark talks about immediately, quite a bit, but that doesn't mean that he was in a hurry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one time where it says, I think he says that he said his face resolutely for Jerusalem, but that resolutes not really in a hurry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't think of a time when he was in a hurry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, I mean, he obviously had a pretty big job, you know, he was trying to change the whole world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how many times do you see in scripture where he took a few a couple of hours and went off by himself and prayed and spent time with the Lord?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think, I don't want a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's simple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You expected me to say that, but are you doing it, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because when you burn the candle seven days a week, you're not really as bright as you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think one thing that if I'm just completely honest, is this whole like rhythm rest, Sabbath thing is something that's talked about a lot in today's Christian culture and you know, there's like particular authors that talk all about these things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if I'm completely transparent, every time I hear a message on this, I'm kind of like, yeah, whatever dude, like my internal reaction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because my first thought is like, well, you're just kind of lazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right or that like I've heard people preach before and they're like, you know, don't be in a hurry pick the long line at the grocery store and I'm like, that is a terrible idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to do that at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, and yet, I have felt the effects of never stopping.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you want a corporate example for it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Chick-fil-A.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the one that everybody always goes to because it is, it is probably the longest running corporate example of somebody who lives this reality and God has been faithful to them that I can think of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When does Chick-fil-A sound the best, everybody?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sunday, the gospel bird after church after church.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want Chick-fil-A, but what do they say now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet they make more money in six days than everybody else doesn't sell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No one even comes close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And and dad, I think the whole function of the Sabbath, the whole function of rest, the whole function of rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It keeps us grounded and make sure that we are still aiming at the right target.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how we get to the end of our life and live a life that counts, that lives purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one where you hear when you stand before the Lord, well done, good and faithful servant, because ultimately that's the goal of our life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw, I can't forget, I mean, just the first words out of Ben's mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's a guy that has his days or literally numbered, was I wish I would have paid more attention to rest in the Sabbath.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw a video a couple days ago of a Olympic, I can't remember the name of the, he was one of the target shooters, and 2004, his last name was Emma's, and he's got this commanding lead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's about to get a gold medal, which was the thing that he, you know, had worked as an entire life for, and so he steps up to the line, he aims, press the trigger, perfect shot, wins a gold medal, there's one problem, he shot the wrong target, he shot the wrong target, I remember hearing about that, and immediately he moves from first place to last
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I watch that video and it's such a great metaphor for my life because, man, you can be crushing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the issue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you aiming at the right target?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you aiming at the right target?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That why do you think it's so enticing for us to aim at some wrong targets?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, misline priorities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what are those?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, again, kind of what we talked about earlier when you sit around and think about your legacy and you connect your legacy and success to financial freedom or being able to, you know, you know, I think guys, what's funny is you work your whole life to try to rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: instead of resting during the process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like think about, why do somebody retire?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because they want to play golf and they want to rest and all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I think that's interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that, you know, I think it's about misaligned priorities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we don't really have time to set goals that matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's part of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we get exhausted along the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: An exhaustion is of symptom of spiritual sickness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exhaustion is a symptom of spiritual sickness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Explain that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Jesus explained it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matthew 11, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He looked out of those people and they were exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, come to me, all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for I am gentle and humble and hard and you'll find rest for your souls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the word maybe it's maybe it's the not the right word but I've always thought that worry is assuming a burden that God never intended for you to have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that those, that's what leaves us exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that maybe I should say exhaustion can be a symptom of spiritual sickness because if you, if you are so tired and so exhausted because you have been so much time fearing and worrying about every aspect of life, it speaks to a lack of trusting God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know and i'm not saying i haven't done this by the way i heard you reference a scripture the other day that i had completely forgotten about in the book of genesis there's a guy that doesn't get talked about in my opinion enough and chapter five e-knock right in the verse twenty four here's what it says e-knock walk faithfully with god then he was no more because god took him away
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't, I'll be honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even fully understand exactly what that means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, what actually happened to Yenak?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the, the most valuable thing in that, in that scripture is walking faithfully.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yenak's, Yenak's sentence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His historical stamp was he walked faithfully with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He got one sentence in the Bible, and my question to the men listening is, what do you want your sentence to be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Enoch walk faithfully with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't tell you what he did for living.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't tell you what his family was like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't tell you how much money he made.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't tell you how many people knew his name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he is written about on the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably more than I'm gonna have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well of course it is, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the Bible can't disclose, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Enoch walk faithfully with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what was said about him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And dad, I just, I think, man, that's what I won't said about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the 32 year old land and what is the 62 year old land and I said 30 years earlier, hope that I can look back on my life and say that land and walk faithfully with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And eventually, there will be a day when I am no more on this earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm fully immersed with him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you get a chance to hear, hey, hey, well done, good and faithful servant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and man, I just think that stuff matters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, before we end this podcast, I want to get really practical.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If there's a guy that's listening to this and think it, okay, I hear you out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to live a life at counts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand, I'm not a robot, I'm not infinite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are times when I need to turn off, let's talk about how to do that practically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I had a mentor one time that told me, um, had I wrote this down and I've tried to live it in my life, rest weekly, depart monthly, abandoned annually annually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rest weekly, depart monthly abandoned annually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First time I heard that, I think it was from Mike Bro at Eastside, and that was something that somebody else passed on to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and now, I want to pass that advice off to every man
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I think that means you see it supported in the scripture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, rest weekly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, very practically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I work Sundays and then I honestly work Monday through Thursdays and then about 80% of the time it spills into Friday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, which means I'm on six days a week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying that has to be your rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is my rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what McKenzie and I try to do are rule is Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is a day that I try to do absolutely nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that takes energy from me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's usually filled with good friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you do expel, expend energy, it's probably with your daughters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, but that's my point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna, but that's life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna look at Halley and say, hey, honey, sorry, it's Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't play with you today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's life giving for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What I am talking about is I try not to do chores on Saturdays as much as I possibly can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is that day is a day where I rest in the goodness of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it looks like for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where I've got a rhythm in life where I rest weekly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now are there times when I have to preach on a Saturday when I have to travel on a Saturday when I have to do something that does require energy of me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's when I go back to Jesus' scripture in Mark
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a rhythm, which means that there are going to be seasons of your life, where things get more out of balance than you would hope for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's the exception, not the rule.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to go back to that phrase.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about of, hey, it's not just a busy season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've created a busy climate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you don't want to do, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dad, what does that look like for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very similar, actually, right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I too, I mean, I'm going to pass to our work on Sundays, not most people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's their data risk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do work on Sundays.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I do is I my work week is Monday through Thursday and then on Friday is when I do stuff at home like if there's work to be done, I work at home on Friday and then Saturday I'm off and I try not to do anything on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I try to rest, you know, we have a swimming pool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to go swimming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a fireplace in our during the seasons of Words Cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to have a fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just have a fire going on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of chilling on my back porch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your mom and I like to go on walks, you know, so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But so Sunday through Thursday I work Friday if there's stuff to be down around the house, I do that and then Saturday is kind of my Sabbath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It hasn't always been like that, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, and it changes, and that's another important note, it can change based on the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So rest weekly, okay, and every guy that's listening to this, you got to figure out what your rest looks like, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have to take ownership, manage your schedule to allow for this sort of thing, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So rest weekly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Second thing is this, depart monthly, depart monthly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the one where I think everybody's going, oh, hey, man, how do I depart monthly?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I've found to be the most successful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You need to try to find a nearby faraway place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and here's what I mean by that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, okay, a nearby faraway place is something that's probably too difficult to do every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not hard enough to not do at least once a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, my nearby faraway place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is a little dearly set out in only Texas.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a white trash redneck dearlies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an hour and 58 minutes from my front door.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and the truth is I can at least get out there one day a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's what I've noticed when I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not fancy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but I look for animals and a steak and I make fires and I shoot stuff and I don't think about work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You do manly stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think about work at all at all at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you answer your phone?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And most of the time, I don't even have service.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's the place where I just don't really care about work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: when I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's something special about it for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I would suggest to the guys listening, you got to find a nearby faraway place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not even saying it has to be far away physically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For some of you, it might be a particular trail that you walk on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You like to hike on, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's in your city, but it's something you set aside and you do every month to meet with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dad, you said something earlier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see Jesus, there's rhythm in Jesus' life where he departed to spend time with the Father.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that is harder for us than it's probably ever been in human history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're reachable at all times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so nearby far away play, do you have anything that comes to mind for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't, I was going to say, I'm going to ensure that I'm departing monthly, though the only exception to that is that your mom and I travel a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, whether it's work like I'm on different boards among the board of a church planning organization, you know, sometimes I'll be speaking somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we get to travel enough that I think it definitely works out where we get to build in days, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where like we're going to double an Ireland at the end of this month because we're playing our church is planning a church there And I'm gonna build in a couple days to get to know Dublin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're definitely doing some of that But I would say even like to speak to what you're just said even if the budget doesn't allow for it It can be somewhere where you go and hike and think and read and just
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it day where you play pickleball store for hours?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, lastly, abandoned annually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know your mom and I are great this because we've done it for 40 straight years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you abandoned once a month for being honest
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but when we were younger in our 20s and 30s, there were times where we didn't have a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, y'all set up food on the counter, and some water said good luck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we didn't go on vacation, but we'd go away like when we lived in Los Angeles, we'd go down to San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to get the L.A. times and then have these, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Coop Bows back before the internet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there would be coupons for like this Sheraton Hotel in San Diego, $99 a night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would clip that out in your mom and I would go for two nights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a couple hundred bucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd go to the beach and it was cheap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we would take food with us into the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we, every year, we decided to do it on our anniversary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So every year, we 39 anniversaries in a row.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have been together away from kids and away from people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: abandoned annually and and the thing the value I want and you can hear it in his answer is once a year I go on a vacation I'm married so it's with my wife where I am unreachable I told you earlier my job has to do a lot with phones emails this sorts of things there are times when I am away and yet still available once a year I'm not my team knows that
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[SPEAKER_03]: My family knows that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of times, it's an all-inclusive in Mexico or something and that little lock box that's in the closet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I throw my phone in there and leave it in there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I need that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where I've been in annually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so that's the practical framework.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rest weekly, department monthly, I've been in annually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to decide to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The temptation is to listen to this and go, hey, when I have more time, listen, you don't need more time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's got the same amount of time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just need better rhythms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you want to 30 years from now, be living a life that you look back and you can't, you gotta get this right right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I would say, go ahead, I'm sorry, you had more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, I was gonna ask you, is there any parting advice you have for somebody listening to this on how to put this practice into the life?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do, it's mostly for people who call themselves Christ followers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that not all of our audience has maybe made a decision for Christ yet, but if you, if you're someone who's walking with the Lord, like Enak, if you wanna walk with the Lord,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I just would encourage you to remember not only does your life count and today counts, just remember, especially if you're in my age category, you know, people are watching how you live your life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't forget that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like someone is becoming tomorrow's version of themselves because of how you live today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're watching you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think it's so important, like every day matters, every day counts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's maybe that's a whole another podcast, landed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it probably sounds like one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, guys, I hope this was helpful to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back here every two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got some great podcasts coming up, some cool guests.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll see you next time.
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