FKN Classics Double Feature! | Ryan Musgrave-Evans - Cryptoterrestrials | Machiel Klerk - Dreams

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Today, I want to welcome Ryan Musgrave Evans. He is
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an author and lifelong experiencer of incredible crypto terrestrial contact
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with a race of future humans.
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Ryan, welcome, How you doing good man?
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Thanks for having me.
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Chris there you going, Yeah, I'm doing great. This is
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gonna be excellent. You have one of the most incredible
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contact accounts that I've really ever heard. I can't wait
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air this with my audience, and your case really resonates
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and move with me on many levels. There's lots of
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Galatians with many other cases in.
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The past as well.
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It's very fascinating and terrifying at the same time, but
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definitely an incredible case. Now, this is your first time
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on for the audience that may not be familiar. Tell
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us a little bit about your background and how did
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this all start for you.
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Yeah, okay, yeah, Well I'm an Australian. I live in Victoria,
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the state of Victoria, and I've been a few things
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over my life, just you know, occupation wise, as I've
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been a primary school teacher or an elementary school teacher,
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I've been a what we call a nursery worker in Australia,
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which means working on plant farms. We used to work
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on tree farms for years and things like that. But yeah,
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with the paranormal side of things, it's been happening all
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my life. To a lesser extent when I was younger,
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and then maybe in my teenage years sort of picked
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up a little bit, but really started kicking in hardcore
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probably about ten years ago. So I'm forty three now,
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so probably in my early thirties when we moved my
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wife and I moved back to where I'd come from,
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where I'd grown up as a kids like that, it
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all really picked up and hit another level again. And
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the kinds of experiences I've had all my life, I
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would have hagorized them early on as being fairy or
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alf or tree spirit. That's the kind of labor would
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have given them in those days. And that inspired me
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to get really interested in things like the Celtic fairy
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faith and world folklore and mythology, particularly European and things
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like that. But since the more recent bout of activity
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started about ten years ago, the interactions took on a
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more quintessential Ufo et abduction kind of vibe, which maybe
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get incredibly interested in that world and that area, and
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then it occurred to me that these were the same dudes. Basically,
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it started to occur to me that there was this
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common substratum all the way through my life, and that
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they had not presented themselves in certain ways earlier on
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and were presenting themselves slightly differently now that I was older,
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but it was nonetheless the same race. Yeah. So lots
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of experiences all my life, so many. I was just
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talking to my wife about this the other week. I've
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had so many experiences that people would say were paranormal,
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but I forget so many of them, and then I'll
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see them written down and I'll go, oh, yeah, yeah,
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I forgot about that happened to me five years ago.
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This How could I forgotten that? You know, like just
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lots and lots of stuff. But yeah, anyway, so.
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Yeah, man, well, maybe I could give us an example
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of how things changed from your childhood to now. How
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were things whenever you were younger? How did this manifest?
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When I was younger, it manifested more as poltergeist activity,
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as shadow people, as figures even during the daytime, like
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peeking at me from behind trees and things like that.
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And there's one particular experience I had when I was
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I was four, I would have in a few weeks,
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I would have been turning five and down at a
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local golf course where there was a woodland there of
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North American pine trees. This small woodland, I saw a
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being behind a tree looking out at me with a
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triangular At the time, I thought like a triangular shaped face,
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but I thought it looked like a mask four really
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long fingers coming out from behind the tree. The texture
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of it sort of looked like it was mooting into
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the tree like it like it's it's The texture of
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it was was bark like like. And since then I've
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seen those suits again and they are a kind of
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a soup like a soldier suit to camouflage suit. But
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so that experience I kept stayed with me. That was
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a vivid, vivid experience. But the nothing as I've gotten
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like in the last ten years. The experiences, though, they've
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shown themselves more without what you might call glamory or
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you know, memory manipulation or mesmerization and hypnosis and things
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like that. And that's when I was thinking, are these
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guys look more like something like more typical kind of
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et in some ways, especially their medics that have big
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dark eyes where they're wearing lenses, but when you see
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them when they don't have the lenses in their eyes
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are blue this particular race, which and yeah, so and
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then also more medical procedure like interactions, whereas nowadays, whereas
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when I was a kid, the closest thing to that
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I would have had was feeling hands on me in
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the middle of the night, like feeling touching and rolled
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over and like hands on my back and things like that,
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and then I'd be like, there's no one there. Now,
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that was probably the closest things that may they may
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have been sort of like residue feelings and consciousness of
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medical type procedures then, but I was interpreting them differently
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maybe or something like that. But certainly in more recent times, drills,
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you know, like drilling into me and putting things into
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the back of my head causing intense pain while it's
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actually happening up into the bottom of my skull, and
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checking my teeth and put scanning me and things like that. Yeah,
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so that's where like that real sort of what people
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normally think of when they think of an abduction kind
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of scenario, that kind of thing. But I also said
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to them at one stage. This was probably about nine
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years ago, I'm not quite sure how long ago. Now, Hey,
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that's well and good that you're allowing me to remember
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these kinds of things, because I was quite cognizant of
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the fact that they can manipulate a mind, and I
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always have been and cancel memories and suppress memories. And
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I realized that they usually don't do anything. They don't
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do things accidentally. So I was remembering these incidents, so
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I was being allowed to remember them. That's what I
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felt fairly sure of that. So I said to them,
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just projecting a message to the one day, thanks for
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allowing me to remember these mental procedures. But I'd prefer
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if you actually came and visited me. Maybe you can
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come and we can have an interaction, you know, you
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can come and visit, maybe we can have you can
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have a cup of coffee, have a beer, you know.
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So I suppose this is more like a C five
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human initiated contact. Maybe you could categorize it us. And
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it was. I think it was like a few nights later,
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I was standing in the kitchen with who at the
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time I thought was my wish, a woman leaning against
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the kitchen bench, a kitchen counter, and I was standing
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on the opposite side of a kitchen table, and we
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were engrossed in this conversation. And I can't remember the
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details of it, unfortunately, but it was interesting. We're talking
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for an extended, prolonged period. I don't know how long.
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It could been, anything from ten minutes to an hour,
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not sure. And then my memory, my brain started a
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cloud over, and I felt slightly strange, and I fell
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down to my knees and I started crawling out of
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the kitchen. And when some of these experiences happen, there's
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a sort of like an obsessive compulsive, like an OCD
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element that starts to manifest in me when they're manipulating.
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So I took socks and started rolling them up into
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balls and started lining them up along carpet. And in
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other events, I've done it with money, lining up money
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while they're standing around, and all of a sudden, I'll
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sort of go a bit weird, and I'll start sorting
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money if it's to hand and things like that, like
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they're putting me in some kind of state, like a
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temporary sort of state when they're not interacting with me
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or something. Then I levitated, was put back in bed
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over the top of my wife, who was sound asleep,
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and they sat me down the bed and that's when
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I and then they relinquished control, and that's when I
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started freaking out. A dronaches just pumping through my body,
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and a voice said into my head, really clear, feminine voice, said,
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we just had a date. And then I really started
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freaking out, and she said, I rolled my eye you
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like she was rebuking me for reacting in such a
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fearful manner, like I should know better by now. That
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was this kind of implication. And then sorry, there's a
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lot of traffic noise here at the moment. Mike's not
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picking that up too much. And then I could hear
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her walking through the house, open the front door, close
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the front door, and then walk about the driveway and
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hear the rocks crunching under her feet. So up until
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that point, I'd been having interactions that I was remembering,
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but they were like in the past, like the more
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recent sort of et like ones they'd been of that
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kind of medical procedure kind of bent. But this was
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like a social interaction. And then when I thought about
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what she looked like, I was thinking, how could I
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have thought that was my wife? Because then I could
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break through what might be you might call a screen
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memory or a lamory or something like that. And she
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was at least six ft tall, incredibly white blue eyes
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that slanted out slightly, a nose that was not doesn't
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have the same kind of architecture as ours, like like
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a flatter kind of nose, a long face with a
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heavy chin, rarely skinny, tight black outfit with a black
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starker circle of technology or something. And she was just
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leaning against the bench with our arms crossed the whole
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time while we were talking to each other. And since
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then i've been I've had a lot of interactions with
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them of a similar kind where they're social interactions where
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they've come to my house or they take me away levitating,
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such a freaky feeling when they're levitating earn you yeah anyway, anyway,
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So that's how that's sort of how it's sort of
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progressed from sort of earlier much more subtle interactions when
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I was a kid and then sort of medical like
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stuff to more social kind of interactions with And they
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said that they're called the mud gener and that's and
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so I just like coined a spelling for it m
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A j W NA. I mean you could spell it anyway,
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and uh. And then and then it was after they
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told me that and a few times they said they're
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what called and I was asking for clarity and pronunciation
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and stuff. I like, yeah, I'll tell you say that's
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good enough, you know. It was it was a while
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later that I have a connection with the Australian one
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Jenner and started to think maybe that those patrick are
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Kimberley in Australia that are many, many thousands of years old,
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that have the bale beans that Uguys. Started to think,
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maybe this is the same word. And since then, you know,
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found other beings that were very similar, probably the same race,
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from other areas of folklore, like the Zulus have the
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month didn't, which is similar to the year when it's
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pronounced to my gener as well pale future human race.
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But but yeah.
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So they go I'm around with no, that's okay, this
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is incredible, but there's so many directions I want to
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go there. They apparently have incredible over over our perception.
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How were most of these kind of social interactions initiated.
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You just would start feeling this strange feeling that you
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were describing earlier, or was it Sometimes when you're sliding.
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Yeah, Normally I'll suddenly feel that there's a presence in
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the house or and also I'll suddenly feel like there's
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some kind of movement my head or body, and then
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I'll start feeling that there's some kind of ConTroll being
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exerted on me, like perhaps like pacifying me or something
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like that. Might I'll just o'h know that they're there,
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and then i'll see shut out people. Sometimes voices will
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start up in the house, like it'll be the telepathic communication,
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but sometimes voices, disembodied voices in the house, and they
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they're usually exerting some kind of mental control over me
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where I am I need to move very easily, and
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but sometimes they relinquished that as well. There have been
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a few times where I am lucid while this is
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actually happening. There was one time where they came in particular,
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it was felt particularly lucid when they actually gave me
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food to eat as well, which was like a biscuit
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kind of cake kind of thing, and I ate it
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and followed them out into the next room, and then
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I went back to bed, laid down and I could
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still feel it on my teeth as I was getting
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back in bed, and people might say, why didn't you
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take a sample? What are you doing? Your idiot? You know,
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But that kind of thing doesn't occur to me at
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the time to do it, or if it does occur,
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it's almost like it feels like it's to be rude,
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to be inappropriate. That's the overwhelming feeling it'll be inappropriate
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to do anything like that, which is probably some kind
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of influence from them. But that particular time, when I
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lay back down, one of them came in and these bowlsuits,
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these dark suits, stood over the top of me. Again.
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While I was lying down, I looked up at them,
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and then when I turned back around, I think a
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smaller one ran in behind me and sneezed on me,
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which is just the most bizarre thing. But this is
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like bringing the experience back down into the mundane for
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me as well. I'm like, I think one of their
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children just sneezed on me. You know, maybe then I
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should have gone a thing out and be like getting
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the saliva, the DNA or something, But that kind of thing,
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it just doesn't occur to me, or it doesn't feel
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right so the experiences could go from being yeah, liking
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sort of sort of dream like and obviously manipulation on me,
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or someone kind of evoking a feeling of apathy in
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me and apathetic feel as well. Sometimes I have these
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experiences and at the time it's the most normal thing
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in the world. Until they're gone, I'm like, holy moly,
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I was just talking to an eight foot tall guy
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in my kitchen, you know, But at the time, it's like, oh, yeah,
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I know this guy, this is normal. This is yeah,
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so so hardly any or no mental manipulation all the
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way down to our strong exertion of manipulation, and sometimes
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messing with my eyes as well, you know, like sometimes
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they don't want me to see them or don't want
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to see where I am, so they can make it
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so that my eyes are seeing things that are obviously
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not matching the physical reality, like seeing the ceiling of
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my bedroom unchanging while I'm moving my eyes, like it's
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the same image stuck in my eyes, turning my head
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and I can still only see that, feeling them rolling
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me over or even sitting me up, and I've still
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which sounds quite primitive in a way, you know, Like
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can they not allow for that. I think they can
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allow for that in certain circumstances where they exert, like
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they cast some kind of glamor on you, or a
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suggestion that you are somewhere safe that you'd prefer to
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be rather than on their ship or underground or whatever.
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But in some situations it's like they hijack your eyes
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and present you are still shot of something that you'd
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find comfortable to see, even if it's inappropriate sort of.
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I don't know why they choose one over the other sometimes.
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But well, I know you describe the female entity that
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you were kind of have in this conversation with Do
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most of these look somewhat the same? And how tall are?
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They?
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Just gives a basic description. And you also said they
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wore some kind of suits at times.
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Right, Yeah, that's right. They can vary in hydramatically. So
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I've seen really small people that are like two foot
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tall some of their children. They take a very long
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time to grow. So some of the memories that are
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coming back to me from my childhood as well, or
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of incredibly small people like maybe like two foot tall
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or something like that, but four foot tall, five foot tolls.
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As they as they grow older, they they slowly grow.
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So most of the individuals I've seen around about my
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height on five eight, between five eight and like six
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six or something like that. But I have seen individuals
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that are at least foot tall, maybe even nine foot tall. Now,
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those individuals that I've seen are usually wearing floor length cloaks,
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hooded cloaks. When they when they come the really tall ones,
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their elders like a like a maybe they have a
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priestly class as well, and I think some of their
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elders do that. Some of the some of the medics
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I've seen have been really tall as well. The medics
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where like gloves, black lenses over the tops of their eyes,
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and then just in a smther fashion to our own
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doctors and things, they come out cover their hair tight
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white outfits. And their hands they're really long, really long,
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four fingers half as long as ours again or maybe
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even twice as long, whereas their thumb is vestigial and
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he's like half the length of ours or something like that,
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and it looks like it's further up their hand, but
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the length of their hand is so much more. And
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then they they've got like a line down the middle
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and the four fingers prehensile and oppose each other. They're
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like they become like thumbs and they move. They have
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four fins move out and pick up objects and things
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like that, and they have as the taller, the really
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tall ones are really hunched, like they have problems with
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the with their backs, the vertebrate or something, and they
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all they start to get like a push forwards shoulders
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and hunched look to them, and a real sort of
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s shaped to their back when they get quite tall.
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The boat what called boas suits be as which I
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named after the Antonio Villas Boris, the famous case from
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Brazilian in fifty seven where he had interactions with pale beans.
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But one stage they were wearing these dark suits, which
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struck me as a version of the same kind of
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suits that I've seen, so I just thought I'll call
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them Boas suits. But skin tied again black black or
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gray normally with the black circular technology on the chest
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that's darker that looks like black marble or something like that.
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On the chest a helmet, a black helmet, and then
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a nose piece, like a long nose piece that sort
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of flares out and it goes back up over the
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top of the helmet goggles the glow red at night
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and like a a which it's for night vision, presumably.
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I don't know what what's going on there really how
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that would work. But and another breathing device, which they've
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told me is not for the they can breathe our air.
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This is for keeping out allergiens, so they they're susceptive
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to a lot of allergies, keeping out pollen and dust
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and things like this. And they can cloak in these,
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they can become intangible so that they can pass through walls.
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They can levitate in them. When they're levitating, they've seen
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them do it, they go all fuzzy looking and they
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almost like they've got fur. They almost look like a
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furry thing. And then they take off and they've got
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like a black cloud comes up over the top and
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super speed, super strength. These suits they're they're soldier suits. Basically,
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they're like super soldier suits. Invulnerable as well. They can
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so that they're impervious to bullets or bladed weapons and
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things like that. And the nose pieces have come to
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understand is for amplifying and resonating sound, because as they
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hoot and howl and roar and make these powerful sounds
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to communicate over huge distances in like mount Park State
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Parks wilderness areas. They have lots of habitations in underneath
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our wilderness areas all across the face of the earth,
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and they have they use their own language, their own
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natural language kind of sounds to our ears like Korean
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or Japanese when you hear it spoken, which I've heard
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it spoken on a few times. I thought it was
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Japanese at first. And they have what I call camo
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can't camo cants camouflage languages where sometimes they'll sound like
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dogs or burving or sort of like a cross turn
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a monkey and a fox here as well like a
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sort of like a giggling, laughing sort of thing down
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but then also hooting and things like that. And the
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the our recordings, the Sierra sounds are definitely them. I
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know that a lot of people consider seer this cerrus
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sounds that were done by Ron Moore in the Sierra
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Nevada Mountains, California in the seventies consider that to be
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evidence for Bigfoot. But that is definitely them, That is them,
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that that and they.
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Say those powels, that's what it's thinking of. Those those
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exact same big foothols that.
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You're just referring to or yeah, for sure misunderstood. Yeah, yeah,
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and that sounds how it sort of sounds like like
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the idea of like an anime cartoon, like a like
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really sort of overtly masculine Japanese samurai speech, you know
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that kind of really speaking from a chest or from
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the gut. They that's their natural that's their natural language.
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That's but then they code switch between all these different
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other kinds of languages to confuse us basically, to sort
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of like camouflage languages. And you can then I've heard
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them that they switched between them. Like we're saying something,
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one of them will talking and in their normal language,
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and then halfway through the sentence they'll switch and they'll
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they'll stop chirping to each other as they like switching between.
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So yeah, that's that. And they can get so they
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can get incredibly tall if they're quite old, and they
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get to ages like six seven, eight hundred years old.
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If they're lucky, they're very lucky because like theoretically they
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can get to that age. Wow, now do you remember
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genetically they have issues? Do you remember most of the
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dialogue that you have whenever you're having these meetings, and
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Yes, they've told me a lot of this information, and
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sometimes I'll remember a lot of it. Other times I
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feel like I should remember it, and they're telling me
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stuff and I say to them, I'm not going to
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remember this, and they say, you're going to remember it.
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Don't worry about it, you'll remember it at some stage.
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But yeah, they so. So some of it is them
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telling me directly. Other stuff is feels almost like abstract
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ideas being communicated to me, maybe you know, in eufology
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people would call that a download or something. Well, rather
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than being linguistic linguistically you know, taught to me, it
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just feels like they're imparting all this information to me
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when they're present, and all of a sudden, I'll understand,
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and I think I'll ask for confirmation, say is that
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is that? What it's? What this is like? And they'll
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say yes, and then you know. But also some of
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the stuff I've known about, I've worked out myself through
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investigating them, through looking for them in folklore and in
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other people's cases and things like that from ancient times
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up until today, you know. And I was inspired by
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Jacques Valai's ideas of seeing that recognizing the that the
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Celtic very faith in particular of old times, the beings
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represented in that identical two beings spoken of, or a
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lot of the different a lot of the races talked
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about in modern UFO law and understanding. And then I
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was so Jacques Vallet and then mac Tony's who coined
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the term crypto terrestrils anyway, which I've stolen from him,
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you know, hidden Earthlings, where he decided that the evidence
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was pointing towards the race behind the UFO phenomena and
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et abduction phenomena and things like that is more likely
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indigenous to this planet than being some kind of extra
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soul or race seems to have some kind of genetic
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affiliation with us, to be interested in mating with us
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or taking genetic samples and that kind of stuff, and
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so utilizing like sort of springboarding off those guys ideas
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as well. I was like, these dudes are on the
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right track. And then I took the investigation further and
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in my book Children of Ryan, like I compare eats
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of Gaelic folklore too, you know, modern et related stuff,
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and I focus in particularly looking on the race that
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I know well, and I so in in Gaelic folklore
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there's the race called Nahuislan, the gentry, and you know
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sometimes they're called machik, and but the tall fair race
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subterranean dwelling that whistled, whistled to each other. It can
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become invisible at will. That can act as poltergeist and
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UH have very magical used cast glamours on people. Confuse
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people can be dangerous if not if they're not plicated,
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can even kill or damage live stock if it's comes
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too close to their underground habitations. These are the characteristics
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of Nahuishlan, the Gaelic gentry, and Charles Hall I discovered.
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You know, Charles Hall wrote the Millennial Hospitality books, and
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he was a weather observer in the United States. Was
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posted in Nevada in Anellos Air Force Bandian springs. You
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go out and send his balloons with a theodolite track
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them and all that kind of stuff. There was his
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job there for two years. And he had this interaction
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with a tall fair of beans that chirped and whistled
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and was subterranean dwelling and would mess with him in
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poltergeist kind of ways. And I was realizing that these
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are identical being that have been here for a very
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long time. Uh, and these are the same beings that
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I am interacting with. So Charles Hall called them tall whites,
478
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.680
and he'd come that term really before. I'm pretty I'm
479
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.920
not one hundred scent sure ninety nine point nine percent
480
00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.559
sure that the euphology the term tall whites wasn't around,
481
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.119
I don't think until the early two thousands. So some
482
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.799
of your listeners or yourself might might be able to
483
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.279
dig up uses of that term before Charles Hall. But
484
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.279
I'm pretty sure that Charles Hall was the first guy
485
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:14.920
to use the term tall whites to refer to like
486
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.440
a tall fair race of ets. Before then, people were
487
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.759
more likely to call them Nordics. Nowadays, people often make
488
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.119
a distinction between tour whites and Audics, and I sort
489
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.880
of think of that as being an artificial distinction. I
490
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.640
think it's probably the same dudes that were once Candics
491
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:36.319
now called tall whites. But but yeah, so so he
492
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.000
called them tall whites. They told me they're called mudginer
493
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.400
and so in my first book I used the term
494
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.839
O'Ryan's a lot for them. And that's because when I
495
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.640
was a kid, at one stage the end of when
496
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.480
I was having like a teenager maybe it would have
497
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:58.160
been about teenaged years, they when I thought they were fairies,
498
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.640
one them communicated to me that they were the saucepan
499
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.960
people and I was a little bit confused by that,
500
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.519
but then I came to realize that what they meant
501
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:15.039
was Ryan the constellation, because in Australia we call Orian
502
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:21.200
the Saucepan. And then at another stage I'd said to them,
503
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.079
you're ancient, You're a different race of humans maybe or
504
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.079
a different race of hominins. It's not Homosayians, but that
505
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.359
left Earth and I've come back again, or something like that.
506
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.559
I was sort of having these kinds of speculatives about
507
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.880
what was going on, what was happening to me, and
508
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.319
they said, oh, it's more complicated than that. That was
509
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:43.079
the response then, and then much later in my life
510
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.880
they said to me, we are you. We are your future.
511
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:51.400
And as I went through the different cases that I
512
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:57.160
was investigating, I was finding, you know, like symbols representing
513
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.000
Orion's belt, Like in the Villas Boast case, there's famous
514
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:09.240
hieroglyphs or writing that have three dots that conform precisely
515
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.039
to the light of Orian's belt, and then it has
516
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.359
lines and squiggles and things like that that taken on
517
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.240
its two coincidence, you know, Orion's belt. You could if
518
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.440
you're really looking something. Of course, in nature you can
519
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.640
see it everywhere, you know, but with paradolia and whatnot.
520
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.799
But as as I was investigating the cases, I was
521
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:32.519
finding that this reference to Oryan continues, you know, like
522
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.039
in the Crabwood crop circle, which is also produced by
523
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.160
this same race, the famous Crabwod crop circle in England
524
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.359
from thousand and two, where it actually had this image
525
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.599
of a of an et like being with a disc
526
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.799
with binary code in English on it and just just
527
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.359
to the side of it the three three three dots,
528
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:57.519
three stars conforming precisely to Orion's belt. And then there
529
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:03.319
are other cases well where Oryan come into focus. So yeah,
530
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.240
so you could call them a Ryan's now they're originally
531
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.680
from Earth. But it gets quite complicated. I don't know
532
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.519
if you want me to go into that kind of stuff.
533
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.359
Where yeah, I actually, yeah, go ahead, because I have
534
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.599
some other questions after that.
535
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.200
But let's talk about that for a second.
536
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.799
The idea that yes, mac Tony's was right in the
537
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.519
sense that they are indigenous to the Earth or a
538
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.759
version of the Earth. So this is Rick and Morty
539
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.039
kind of stuff really, and it's not quite time travel.
540
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:35.519
They haven't traveled to their ancient past. They've crossed into
541
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.359
another timeline or dimension or verse which is identical to
542
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.440
their own at an earlier point in its history. So
543
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.880
they're not actually from our future, and we're not from
544
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.559
their past. The reasons for coming here is the genetic
545
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:57.759
is an impoverishment to their genomes through too much genetic engineering,
546
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.519
pronging their lives and messing with their own DNA. Basically,
547
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.440
they couldn't alleviate this, they couldn't write this correctness. With
548
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.640
all the maladies and pathologies are developing for them, they
549
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.599
decided to locate ancient versions of themselves from before they
550
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.960
started messing with their own DNA. Two, you know, have intercourse,
551
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.960
to reproduce, to study, to try and augment themselves again
552
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:33.039
and bring some kind of natural you know, return return
553
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.559
evolution by natural selection back into the mix in a way,
554
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:41.279
even though this is still a highly artificial, but they've
555
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.440
they've been messing with themselves in an artificial way for
556
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.039
so long. They're ill, they're sick, they don't heal properly,
557
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:53.799
they are susceptible to disease, and they see in us
558
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.640
archaic free range versions of themselves that they whose gene
559
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.440
pool they could dip into now and that's their main
560
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.920
reason being here for coming, and they've been here back
561
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.679
here for a long time, and they've colonized it, and
562
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.199
they've underground there under our oceans. They move around and
563
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.159
follow the warmth. So certain parts, certain underground habitations remain
564
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:23.039
dormant if that part of the earth's in winter, et cetera.
565
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.960
And yeah, so.
566
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:32.760
What you were telling us earlier about the medical procedures
567
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.280
that these guys were doing to you at one point,
568
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.119
do you remember clearly any of those in details that
569
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:40.039
you could tell us about.
570
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:48.800
Uh, yeah, okay, one of them, they were drilling into
571
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.119
the bottom of my foot, and they were all standing
572
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.880
around me. And there are a couple of them at
573
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.199
the end of the bed or whatever it was I
574
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.840
was on, and I lifted my foot for them as well,
575
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.400
and I was thinking, I am so helpful.
576
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:04.920
Now.
577
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.800
I don't know whether they were suggesting that. They probably
578
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.320
were suggesting that I should do that, but I remember thinking,
579
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.920
I'm going to be so helpful in this interaction. I'm
580
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.960
going to hold my foot up for them. And they drilled.
581
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.000
They were all holding and they drilled to my foot,
582
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:20.400
and I was making sure they didn't have to take
583
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.840
too much of the weight of my leg drawed into
584
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.840
the bottom of my foot of pain in this particular,
585
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.400
this particular time. Then they wandered around to the other
586
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.840
to the back of the bed and drilled directly into
587
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.079
the top of my head again with no pain, but
588
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.039
with like a whizzing sound, like being at the dentist
589
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.199
drill sound. And then they started to push me to
590
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.440
roll me over, and I thought that it was time
591
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.039
to go home, so I started to get up, and
592
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.840
then they were like no, and they grabbed me and
593
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.719
sort of moved me back again. And I was trying
594
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.039
to be as a compliant as possible. I was thinking,
595
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.960
I'm going to make it really easy for these guys.
596
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.000
But you know, again, this is sort of power of suggestion.
597
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.440
Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'm just a nice guy.
598
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.119
I don't know. Anyway, so they rolled me over and
599
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.559
then they were doing it into my back, which I
600
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.440
presume was into a rib, so I could feel it happening,
601
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.800
but not the pain. So I could feel something going
602
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.159
in but no pain associated with it, so it wasn't
603
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.719
completely numb. And then I said to and there was
604
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.280
the whole time, there was a woman sitting beside me,
605
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.360
one of them a female sitting beside me without the
606
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.800
medical gear on, with her big blue eyes, and we're
607
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.480
not sitting there, and she got off. She stood up
608
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.320
and went to walk beside me, and I thought, I'm
609
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.719
going to be clever. I'm going to say thanks O'Ryan's
610
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.559
into the eating theater or whatever it was. And I thought,
611
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.800
I'm going to do this. I feel like it's inappropriate now,
612
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.000
but I'm going to do it. And I went to
613
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.519
do it, and before I could even say I was
614
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.400
thinking of doing it, she knelt down and shushed me right,
615
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.079
and then she kept walking, and I was like, I'm
616
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.360
going to say it anyway, so I did. I said
617
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.360
thanks to Ryan's and they just kept work looking and
618
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.400
then I thought that was arius and I was laughing
619
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.360
away to myself, and then a voice r up in
620
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.119
the middle of my head said that isn't funny, right,
621
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.239
And then then I felt sheepish about that, and they said,
622
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:17.440
but you received an ovation, so I think they liked
623
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.079
the idea that I obviously was knew who they and
624
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:26.079
what they are, but and then I said, so what
625
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:30.239
was that about? And they said for language and running
626
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:32.960
and I was like, what does that even mean? And
627
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.360
they said, it's a gift. Stop going on about it. Yeah,
628
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.159
and then I and then they took me back again.
629
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:41.880
So that was one apparience that's pretty full on and
630
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.519
the whole time was happening. It was either a window
631
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.400
or maybe it was just like a an image like
632
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.599
a like a TV screen or monitor or something that
633
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.039
had purple sort of pink hues to it. That was
634
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.800
a rocky landscape with it like a purple sky outside.
635
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.440
It looked like maybe it was outside the window, and
636
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.079
I was thinking, man, this is an earth, what's going
637
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.599
on here? But I think maybe there's a possibility it
638
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.840
was just like like a digital display, you know, like
639
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.920
an image, you know. Ah, I'm not sure about that.
640
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.679
But so that was one. There. Another time they they
641
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.880
said to me, we're going to operate on you, but
642
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.639
we need permission for this one. And I said, uh,
643
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.639
you know, okay, if it's beneficial to me or whatever,
644
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.960
and they were like yeah, and then I think that
645
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:41.360
didn't reply to and then I said, okay, yeah, go
646
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.079
for it, and they said they just said confirmation and
647
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.079
then I blacked out and then I woke up. I thought, ah,
648
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.199
I don't know what they just did to me. And
649
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.000
there's nothing on me and stuff, and I'm thinking, what
650
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.679
was that procedure that it required extra permission? Another time,
651
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.159
it felt like they were actually opening you right up,
652
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.519
but there was no pain, and I was thinking, what
653
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:07.840
why you know? I don't like I wasn't really They
654
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.840
didn't tell me that time what they thought they were doing.
655
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.320
A time I was actually in a what looked like
656
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.280
one of our hospitals. It was just like it was
657
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.199
a hospital, and I was sitting up and there was
658
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.519
one of them. There was there was a tall mudge
659
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.920
and a woman but she had like an obvious wig on,
660
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:32.480
like a dark wig, and another guy, a doctor who
661
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.519
was mudgener but he was dressed like one of their medics,
662
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.360
and he was and then there was a screen that
663
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.559
looked like I presumed it was my body, but upside down,
664
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.639
the kind of like a green, sort of weird sort
665
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.599
of haze to it, and they were showing me an
666
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.800
image of mone and they were pointing at it and
667
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.000
they said, and one of them said, it's too early
668
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.119
to see any changes you get. And I was like,
669
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.719
what's what is this? And they didn't tell me what
670
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.519
they meant by that. And I noticed on the upside
671
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:09.280
down image. There were two green blobs on the image
672
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.440
beside my head. So there's like an upside down image
673
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.079
of a person with two green blobs on either side.
674
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:17.880
And I went to look, and I felt like there
675
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.440
was resistance, like I couldn't quite look. And then the
676
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.239
woman said, pay no attention to the ghosts beside you.
677
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.360
But I can't remember if she said ghosts or angels. Now,
678
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.880
pay no attention to the angels beside you or the
679
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.400
ghosts beside you. So I presumed that there were like
680
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.320
two guards or some there were two people standing there
681
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.880
when they are actually coming up on the image of
682
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.199
the scan as well, because they were standing so close.
683
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.280
And then I got up and I couldn't walk properly,
684
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.960
and they sat me in a wheelchair and wheeled me
685
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.960
out into the park lot, and I didn't know, like
686
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.280
on Earth, somewhere there were street lights and stuff. Put
687
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.519
me into like an RV kind of vehicle like what
688
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.079
people call tic TACs probably on the media, and stuff,
689
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.559
like a like a bus that's got no wheels, loaded
690
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:11.920
me into the back of that and then form off
691
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:16.920
we go, and and then I can't remember what happened.
692
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.679
Then I think that like they've taken some memory.
693
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.519
There's incredible. Do you think that they're doing this to
694
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.239
everyone and we just have no recollection of this, and
695
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.960
you just have kind of a stronger different type of
696
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.480
connected connection or perception to this.
697
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:35.920
Yeah, I think they do this to a lot of people,
698
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.039
and and for whatever reason, they allow me to remember
699
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.079
a lot more than they allow other people. But that
700
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:48.519
it is happening. Similar things are happening a lot of
701
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.280
people across the face of the earth all the time. Now,
702
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.280
you might have inklings that something's been going on and
703
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.400
just think it's probably nothing, or have no understanding or
704
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.280
recollection of anything. But I say to the people that
705
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.599
if if you think your house is haunted and you
706
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.599
have shadow people or polder Gey's activity, disembodied voices, hear
707
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:17.239
boots a roof at night coming down the stairs, music,
708
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.599
people standing over here in the middle of the night,
709
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.719
feelings of hands on your body in the middle of
710
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.840
the night and there's no one there, that's very likely
711
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.000
that you are an experiencer, and imudgine an experiencer. And
712
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.960
there can be lots of different reasons why they would
713
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.199
be experiencing with you. One of them is that they
714
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.119
breed with us as well, so you may be part
715
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.320
of their breeding pro Having said that, that's supposed to
716
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:48.639
be consensual. But the point I often raise with this
717
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:53.960
is I see ethical issues with getting someone's consent, explaining
718
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.199
to them that you're a race that requires for your
719
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.079
next generation, you know, to be augmented by some of
720
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.280
our healthy DNA and all that kind of stuff. Getting
721
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.119
the persons okay, and then suppressing their memory of having consented,
722
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:11.679
and then they just think their house is haunted or
723
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:16.320
that there's or you know, there's ghosts or whatever. But yeah,
724
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.960
lots and lots of paranormal activity that is attributed to
725
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.119
like deceased humans, you know, like spirits and ghosts or
726
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.719
cryptids and all that kind of stuff. A lot of
727
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.559
it is them, in my opinion. I talk about that
728
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.119
in my book Stuff.
729
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.400
How much do you think how much do you think
730
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:37.000
we know our clandestine groups are three letter agencies, the
731
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.239
black projects, these guys that you know that we don't
732
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.480
hear about the mainstream. How much do you think that
733
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.360
they know and even maybe participate with these guys and things.
734
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.719
Yeah, I think I think they know a lot. So
735
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.840
you know, I personally am quite satisfied that the gur
736
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.840
Jestic exists or did exist, and probably has been reformed
737
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.519
and gone through a lot of different name and things
738
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:07.840
like that since. But but yeah, I think the shadow
739
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.840
government kind of groups, sort of elite groups are behind
740
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.920
you know, elected governments and elected officials that are kind
741
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.920
of sort of like our permanent kind of parpet masters
742
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.360
of Earth, Homo sapiens rulers in a way behind the curtains.
743
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.880
They've had interactions and treaties and whatnot with with these
744
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:32.000
guys for a long time, you know, at least since
745
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.880
the forties, since the nineteen forties, but maybe even early.
746
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.960
Especially some of these sort of esoteric groups, like you
747
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.639
know that the the Freemasons, for instance, have a lot
748
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:48.199
have had a highly esoteric, you know, mystical groups that
749
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.159
have been around for centuries passing on law and information
750
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.760
and highly superstitious people. You know, like a lot of
751
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.280
a lot of the people that are our rulers of
752
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:06.960
the world some really superstitious stuff. And the Mudgeoner I'm
753
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.920
fairly certain they see the Mudgeoner and also other races
754
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.840
as being their ancient gods that they used to think
755
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.840
were maybe had gone or were ferative or something like that,
756
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:24.079
but a flesh and bone and present, and I suspect
757
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.880
they're very frightened of them, that the people, the Homo
758
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:31.400
sapiens power structure in the world is terrified of what
759
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.079
I would say, this cryptoterestrial presence, which could just like
760
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.000
crack them like an egg if they felt like it.
761
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.320
But I think that they don't interact with us, They
762
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:49.960
don't exert influence on our elites and things like that
763
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.519
too much. They only step in if they feel that
764
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.719
there's issues they need to address. One of them is that,
765
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.239
you know, there needs to be changes about the way
766
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.679
we're abusing the resources of our planet and the foresting
767
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.760
and you know, killing off all the different kinds of
768
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.480
biodiversity and generally our biosphere is quite sick at the moment.
769
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.719
This is a problem, and the cryptotrestrial, particularly the mudgeoners,
770
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.559
are not happy about that kind of stuff, as you
771
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.000
can imagine, because they're back here sharing this world with us.
772
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:27.039
But yeah, for sure they've had interactions with them and
773
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:32.199
had treaties, and at the moment, I would not know
774
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:38.199
what kind of how friendly their interactions are, and whether
775
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.079
they do have treaties and meetings anymore, or whether that
776
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:43.280
kind of stuff has stopped.
777
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.599
But do you think these beings mainly have our best
778
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.119
interest in mind? Or do you think that there are
779
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.119
different groups that may not, that some me be more
780
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.760
malevolent than others.
781
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.840
I think there this, particularly the group the mudgeoners, have
782
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.039
our best interests or they have the earth's best interest.
783
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:11.239
And then also they require us as well. I mean,
784
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.320
you can you can look at everyone selfish in the end,
785
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:14.840
maybe you can look at them as being quite selfish.
786
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.639
They require access to us as sort of versions of
787
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.679
themselves that have been hewn by time and natural selection
788
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.960
that are healthy versions of themselves that they can utilize.
789
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.320
Require us to survive or they will die out themselves
790
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.880
without access to us, they will eventually become extinct. But
791
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:43.880
having said that, a healthy human population requires a healthy biosphere,
792
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:51.159
you know, to maintain an organism to like the earth,
793
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.360
like a stemic, holistic or kind of organism like the earth.
794
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.599
You can see it. You have to take care of
795
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.599
it in deep systemic ways, you know. And you could
796
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.360
say you could use the analogy of how do you
797
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:08.599
keep a plant healthy or you water the roots to
798
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.320
feed the roots, you don't necessarily you know, like polish
799
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.559
the leaves. You want shiny leaves. You don't need to
800
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.880
polish the leaves. You need to feed the tree and
801
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.599
water the tree. Which is to say, if they want
802
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:25.920
healthy human populations help healthy, they need healthy a healthy earth,
803
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.519
healthy biosphere, healthy plant kingdom, healthy animal kingdom, healthy earth,
804
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:37.079
healthy human And yeah, so yeah, they definitely they want
805
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.360
us to survive. I think there has been a threat
806
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:46.960
at some stage that we either are under we are
807
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.199
either beside them in the future or under their feet
808
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:56.320
in the sense that we can either join them and
809
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:02.760
become an advanced group share in these sophisticated technologies, provided
810
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.760
that they appreciate our worldview and our belief systems and
811
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.039
consider us to be worthy in some way to partake
812
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.199
in this. Otherwise, and that would be for us to
813
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.039
be beside them. Otherwise we would be under their feet,
814
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.559
which is what we have been for thousands of years,
815
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.400
in the sense that we are just primitive populations of
816
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.039
people on the earth with them with advanced fiscated technologies,
817
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.239
as our gods that occasionally appear that creep into our
818
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.079
houses at night, as Succubi and Incubi and Nan and
819
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:37.639
She the Fairy Lover. So up until this point in
820
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.719
our reality. Basically we have been under their feet. Now
821
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.960
we can either stay under their feet and be punished
822
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.239
even in some way have our technologies stripped from us,
823
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.119
We returned to earlier forms of civil wised advancement, certainly
824
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.760
pre industrial but maybe even earlier, you know, to because
825
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.559
our affect negative effect on the ask her on the
826
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.880
planet at the moment. Or we can take the leap
827
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.719
with them and be gifted advanced technologies and join them
828
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.119
more sort of you know, brotherly sisterly kind of way.
829
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.159
But that option is the one that's going to play
830
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.480
out now, the better one, the one that sounds better,
831
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:18.840
I hope.
832
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.360
So while we're talking about their technology, you mentioned you
833
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.519
were talking kind of briefly about some of the things
834
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.039
that they have the ability to do, especially when you're
835
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.639
looking at things like changing our perception or you know,
836
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:36.679
appearing as a poltergeist or disappearing things like this levitation,
837
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.440
that this is just forms of their advanced technology that
838
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.360
we don't understand, or could it even be some kind
839
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:44.440
of form of magic.
840
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.119
They are flesh and blood and nuts and bolts. You know,
841
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.599
they have their own kind of you can say they're
842
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.239
spiritual in the sense that they are a very spiritual people.
843
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.400
They have their own religion and spirituality. But they've expressed
844
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.960
me on a number of occasions they are the same
845
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.719
as us. If our flesh and blood beans, they are too.
846
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:18.000
And they are definitely relying on technologies, sophisticated technologies. Now,
847
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:23.159
their technologies are so far advanced that the line between
848
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.440
magic and technology, I suppose, sort of falls away where
849
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.679
it starts to become. It's up in the air, and
850
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.360
as debatable as to whether these two terms in some
851
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.559
kind of as some kind of dichotomy can really exist anymore.
852
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.760
They're going to fall, They're going to merge other because
853
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.519
when you have technologies that are so advanced that you
854
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.559
can travel into dimensionally or shift your atomic structure so
855
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:53.159
that you can become non physical, it's really hard to
856
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.320
say anymore, you know, it's hard to now say that
857
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.199
they are material if they can do those kinds of things.
858
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.239
So but the but the base reality I suppose of
859
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:07.199
it is that their material technologies that are allowing them
860
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.440
to become something comparable to spiritual beings for certain periods
861
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:17.039
of time by flicking, you know, or whatever. Their own
862
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.199
spiritual I know a lot about their own religious system
863
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:26.000
as well their own spiritual stuff. Uh, they do. I
864
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.000
used to think. I used to interpret what they were
865
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.559
telling me to be sort of like a kind of idealism,
866
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.960
like when it took like like consciousness being based reality.
867
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.519
You know, people talk a lot about that kind of
868
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.199
thing these days, especially in the UFO community and things
869
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.159
certain and in you know, Easter Mysticism, certain kinds of
870
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.639
Hinduism and Buddhism and things like that of given rise
871
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.679
in the West to a lot of these ideas nowadays,
872
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:53.559
in the New Age community and things like that. They
873
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.400
were I thought that they were telling me something like that,
874
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.360
But I've come to appreciate now no more that they
875
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.440
their understanding of base reality is modest in the sense
876
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.360
that they think that there is only one kind of
877
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.639
substance or stuff that the universe is comprised of. They're
878
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.800
not dualists, and they I think something's are physical and
879
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.440
something's are spiritual. They think everything is one, but sometimes
880
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.599
it behaves in ways that we would call spiritual and
881
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.440
sometimes behaves in ways that we would call material. Nonetheless,
882
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.119
it is always the one substance. So that's kind of
883
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:37.960
like a synthesis or a or emerging of idealism and materialism,
884
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:43.360
of reconciliation of into one of the mind, emerging of
885
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.960
mind and matter to recognize that they are the same
886
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.199
thing in the end, neither. It's not that everything turns
887
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.320
out to be mind, and it's not that everything turns
888
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.639
out to be matter. It's that everything turns out to
889
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.400
be this third substance, which is both of them together
890
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:03.239
in some way. You know, they lead in individual souls,
891
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:09.920
so they they don't think that people have like an
892
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:13.800
atomic soul, like an indivisible soul. That they think of
893
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.599
everyone as being an expression or a reduction of the
894
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.519
one great being, the one great world soul. So what
895
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.079
makes a person a person is that they are they
896
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.679
are limited in certain ways, and some people are limited
897
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.360
in certain ways, and another person who's in different individual
898
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.480
will be limited in different ways. But both of them
899
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:40.480
are retractions or reductions of the one, which is the
900
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:46.320
whole system, the entire all reality. And then they also
901
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.159
have an idea of what they call the land of
902
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.400
the Black Star or the Black Sun, which is and
903
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.960
they have a symbol to represent it as well, which
904
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.599
has like a dragon's face that looks kind of like
905
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.039
a dragon's face in the middle heaps of eyes running
906
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:06.480
down it. This is their understanding of a world of
907
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.760
potential that is outside the actualized world, so things that
908
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.320
so our world is actualized and in that way is reduced.
909
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.400
It has been reduced from being the potential world. Potential
910
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.239
world is all possible worlds existing at once, which means
911
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.960
it is neither this nor that. As a world beyond dualism.
912
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.679
What we would normally call this world is a binary
913
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.760
system of a kind dualistic system where things are separate.
914
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.280
There can be ones that can be zeros, that can
915
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.199
be this, that can be that, in this other realm
916
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.599
which they tap into to travel massive distances in short periods.
917
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.880
It is a world where everything exists and nothing exists
918
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:56.239
if something is this and it's also that. So this
919
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.639
is an idea that they've expressed to me a few
920
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.960
different times in different ways. But I'm slowly learning more
921
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.360
and more, and I think they're initiating me into some
922
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.679
of these kinds of ideas. So early on, I used
923
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:15.519
to think it's just my job ask to investigate their
924
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.760
presence and show and demonstrate to people beyond reasonable doubt
925
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.960
that they exist by building cryptoterrestrial profile of characteristics and
926
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.800
showing and pointing them out and demonstrating, you know, which
927
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.039
I try to do on my books. But just in
928
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.880
the last couple of years, or maybe even one year,
929
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.159
I've realized that it's more than that. They want, more
930
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.559
than that of me, something which I find quite uncomfortable,
931
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.760
actually taking on a role where they want me to
932
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:47.559
express to people ideas about the spirituality and ways that
933
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:52.719
you can move forward as apparently five races us and
934
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.039
there's four other ones a future human as a fire
935
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.960
as five races are gathered by each other's side without
936
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:04.280
us being under their feet anymore. So yeah, and I
937
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.679
don't like being a public person, and I'm very uncomfortable
938
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.639
doing public speaking, and that kind of stuff was like
939
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.679
my nightmare when I was a kid, having to talk
940
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.719
on the radio or anything like that. So I'm quite so.
941
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.159
And it's also I find it sort of embarrassing in
942
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:23.679
the sense that when I say to people, these people
943
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.320
are instructing me about this and want me to tell people,
944
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.320
I feel like an idiot. I feel. I just feel
945
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.960
like it just sounds so cliche, you know, it sounds
946
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:38.519
so silly, But this apparently is what they want me
947
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.079
to be doing these days. So I'm like, oh, okay, dude,
948
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:41.800
let's do this.
949
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:43.119
It's incredible.
950
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.159
How do you, based on your understanding, how do they
951
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.880
feel about the direction we're headed in the planet.
952
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:49.920
You said that.
953
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:54.400
They themselves tinkered with their own DNA too much and
954
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.360
they're not healthy anymore, and we see us doing the
955
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:01.280
same things. I mean, we eat the crappy food we are.
956
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:04.719
Medical and pharmaceutical companies are just here to keep us
957
00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:07.800
sick and kill us. So our future as far as
958
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.719
what we're doing to our own bodies, doesn't look too
959
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:11.760
good right now.
960
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.119
How do they feel about that?
961
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.480
Yeah, they're not happy about that kind of thing. And
962
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.400
they're not happy about us being on the precipice of
963
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.360
direct genetic engineering and manipulation in our own bodies to
964
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:28.960
eliminate you know, sickness or prolong our lifespans all this
965
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.320
kind of stuff as well. But then also, yeah, filling
966
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:34.199
bodies with all of these chemicals and plastics all throughout
967
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.880
form now and all that kind of stuff. No, well,
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00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:40.599
that that we're on the way to becoming useless to
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00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:42.800
them in that sense as well, if want to look
970
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.639
at it from their own perspective, and and even if
971
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.480
you you're going to decide that they're you know, ultimately
972
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.239
like probably as people are. They're they're selfish when it
973
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.960
comes down to it in wanting to maintain us healthy
974
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:03.360
beings as a tension of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
975
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.039
is not We're not going the right way to remain
976
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.519
in good stead with them, you know, in that way.
977
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.199
But I think that I'm hopeful that, you know, a
978
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:14.960
couple of years ago, I wouldn't have been as hopeful
979
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.519
as I am now that they were on the pressip
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00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.960
of some kind of change for the positive, with less
981
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.480
of that being a hue. With their help, even if
982
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.360
they're working behind the scenes and guiding the Homo sapiens
983
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:33.559
elites to shift their own directions, which they're quite capable
984
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:38.079
of doing, I'm sure that in the end, if the cts,
985
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:41.199
if the cryptoterrestrials, the Mugin and the others decide that
986
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:46.519
something has to be done, they say, jump our rulers,
987
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:51.800
our dark elites or whatever, say how high they There's
988
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.440
no way that they compete can compete with fair technology,
989
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.599
just none, none at all. Like even though people talk
990
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.199
about us back engineering craft and like, you know, having
991
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.599
our own advancements, having our own anti gravitic technologies having
992
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.719
this and that that's that's a drop in the ocean,
993
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.480
like us trying to engage with them in any way,
994
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.760
even with our new toys that maybe we have anti gravatics,
995
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.480
grebitting stuff and weapons stuff like that, it'd be like
996
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:24.000
trying to attack an elephant with a a wet train
997
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.880
ticket or something like that. We're talking about something way
998
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:33.039
way beyond our capabilities. And and they said there up
999
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:38.239
until about six months ago, they said to me, there
1000
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:41.039
are a million of us. They were saying there's a
1001
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.599
million of them. Just a couple of months ago they said,
1002
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.840
we are now twelve million. So I don't know. So
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01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.800
it's on stage. There's been some contact again with the
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01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.400
other timeline, and heaps of them have jumped across. I think,
1005
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.159
and I think it's my I'm pretty sure I'm right,
1006
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.199
not one hundred percent sure I'm right, but that they're
1007
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:11.840
thinking this reality now is their future. Rather than harvesting
1008
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.639
healthy DNA and taking it back to where they're from
1009
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.760
their own timelines, they've decided now they're going to set
1010
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:25.480
up permanent digs here. This is their world now, and
1011
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.920
they're going to do anything to protect it, protect the
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01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:32.480
biosphere of the earth as like this piece, this museum piece,
1013
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.679
a version of their ancient world, and they can and
1014
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.760
they're not happy with us, you know, lots of It's
1015
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.320
not just it's not just to do with you know,
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01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.199
us abusing the planet and all that kintuff, but abusing
1017
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.679
each other as well. You know, again this sounds a
1018
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.679
bit corny, but well it doesn't stand corny. I suppose
1019
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:55.880
it's but they are incredibly upset with the idea that
1020
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:59.480
we allow people to die from poverty, living on streets
1021
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:01.960
in our city. They're particularly offended by the idea that
1022
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.280
we don't look after our own children as well. I
1023
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.239
had an experience once where they took me, I think
1024
01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.519
it was into a mountain and they showed me our
1025
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:15.519
own children that they had in hospital beds. One girl
1026
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.960
had like half of her face blown off and she
1027
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.400
had like tubes going into earth. And they said, these
1028
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:28.119
children that we take and heal. And I was like
1029
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.320
man and they they in a lot of ways, they
1030
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:35.519
think very little of us as a race, and they
1031
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:39.199
constantly they know us in a sense in our heads.
1032
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:43.239
We can't buy it anything from them. They know what
1033
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.280
we're capable of, they know what we've done. They know
1034
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.840
when individuals past and likely in future actions and that
1035
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:53.639
kind of stuff, and they're not happy, you know, they don't.
1036
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:57.000
They don't. They don't think much of us as a race,
1037
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.760
and they socially in that kind of way that we
1038
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.559
don't take care of our own, which is incredibensive to them.
1039
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:10.239
So yeah, now you you said, these guys live underground
1040
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:14.280
and mountains. What about in in the ocean underwater?
1041
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:18.239
Yeah? Yeah, and yeah, they said under Bass Straight where
1042
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:24.280
I am here. Bass Straight is the strip of ocean
1043
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:29.760
that's going between Victate of Victoria on the mainland in
1044
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:36.840
the southeast and Tasmania, the state, the island state just
1045
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.239
below it. There's a strip of water there called Bass Strait.
1046
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.320
There's a continental shelf. And they said that they have
1047
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:48.639
structures within that continental shelf down here, but over the
1048
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:50.639
world they have excuse me.
1049
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:50.960
They have.
1050
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:58.119
Yeah, under undersea structures facilities in the earth, you know,
1051
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:02.440
in the crust, but under the water. Yeah for sure.
1052
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.519
Now, as your current experiences go, how often are you
1053
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:09.519
are you having these?
1054
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.559
Well, they said to me, just recently, we visit you
1055
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.960
for ten minutes every night for education, and I certainly
1056
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:25.719
don't remember physical visitations for ten minutes every night. I
1057
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.840
probably I'm conscious of them coming to the house and
1058
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.440
interacting with me some way or taking me maybe some month.
1059
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:40.079
Having said that, linguistic telepathic communication is almost all the time.
1060
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:46.039
Like if I were to sit down and sort of
1061
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.119
zone out a bit and ask if any of them
1062
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.920
were around, it wouldn't take too long for one of
1063
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:57.559
them to reply. And every mat when I go to bed,
1064
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:01.000
I hear them interacting with each of them. Some of
1065
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.960
them as well, I think, are guards. So they said
1066
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:08.920
we They've said heaps of times we protect you, and
1067
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:14.440
they actually have dudes soldiers or guards permanently here I think,
1068
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:21.159
or near nearby, especially at night. And some of their
1069
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.599
names as well. One of them it's called they call
1070
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:29.559
a Sybiline. It's a female guard. And then there's another guy, Joe,
1071
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:32.400
because of Joseph Joe. They I think they adopt a
1072
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:36.159
lot of our names in a similar way that like
1073
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.239
Chinese people might adopt Western names when they're interacting with
1074
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.840
us because they don't want us butchering their names or whatever.
1075
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.840
But in this same kind of way, they adopt a
1076
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.639
lot of sort of fairly normal sounding names, our names
1077
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:53.719
and things like that. But uh, yeah, so there's so
1078
01:05:53.880 --> 01:06:00.639
I hear them moving around sometimes and sometimes they will
1079
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.840
say things to me if I talk to them that
1080
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.280
they are sort of reluctant to interact with me because
1081
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.199
I think their job isn't to interact with me, those guys.
1082
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.559
But anyway, yeah, well that.
1083
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:13.800
Man, that's incredible.
1084
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:20.440
What is your plans for any future communication about these
1085
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.199
to the world. I mean, you you have your your
1086
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:25.880
book Children of Oriyan. Are you planning on doing any
1087
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.119
other books or any more writing about it?
1088
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:29.280
Yeah?
1089
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:35.599
Yeah, I'm currently engaged full on with the second book,
1090
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.880
and you know, the first one's published buying disc Press.
1091
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.559
Philip Mantlott find disc Press, and he's said that it'll
1092
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:44.639
take second one on as well, and it should be
1093
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.360
it will definitely be out next year, but it should
1094
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.199
be early next year that the second one will be
1095
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.280
coming out. Tribes of the Black Star Crypto Terrestrials in
1096
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:57.079
our Future, Well, that's the that's the working title at
1097
01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:58.880
the moment, anywe I'm pretty sure that will be the title.
1098
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.920
But yeah, for sure, that's what I'm doing with most
1099
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:04.679
of my time at the moment writing the second one,
1100
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:09.480
which has a lot more you know, pattern recognition profiling
1101
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:14.639
from different cases through history, but also has much more
1102
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.719
of a bent on looking at their languages or linguists
1103
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:23.400
and what I know so far about their not only
1104
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:28.119
their own natural language, but also these camouflage languages they
1105
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:31.719
use sort of like what would you call them, like cryptolects.
1106
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:37.760
They're like the contrived, contrived languages they've manufactured themselves to
1107
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:43.599
mimic our wildlife. And then also some of the stuff
1108
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.480
about their spirituality and things like that, and what I
1109
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.280
am pretty sure will come to be in our future
1110
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:54.719
if we end up beside them rather than under their feet.
1111
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.400
You know that. I'm prett sure the future is bright.
1112
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.920
But yeah, so the next book early next year.
1113
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:06.840
Anyway, dude, you love it.
1114
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.639
Incredible, man, Well, we are definitely going to have to
1115
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.760
talk again soon. We barely scratch your surface on some
1116
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.199
of this stuff, and you've got so many incredible stories
1117
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:17.640
before you head out. Let the audience know where they
1118
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.159
can find your book if you have a web, social media,
1119
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:20.920
all the good stuff.
1120
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:25.399
Yeah. Cool, cheers man. My book Children of Oryan Finding
1121
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:30.760
the Cryptoterrestrials is on Amazon as paperback, hardcover, and digital.
1122
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:35.199
And I'm not on social media or other than just
1123
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:37.880
having a YouTube channel. So if people are interested, it's
1124
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:43.960
just my name, Ryan muskrat Evans and I put videomes
1125
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:47.239
speeling away maybe once a week or something like that.
1126
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.039
I don't know, so if you're interested, check that out too.
1127
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:52.239
Thank you very much, dude, Thanks so much for having me.
1128
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:52.520
Man.
1129
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:54.840
Yeah, yeah, I'd definitely love to come back.
1130
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:55.920
Yeah, for sure.
1131
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.800
We'll definitely do this again in the future. And until
1132
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.000
next time, everyone, have a next Wen evening and we'll
1133
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:01.880
talk again tomorrow.
1134
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:02.760
See how then?
1135
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.000
Today, I want to welcome Marhiel Clerk. He is a
1136
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:25.880
social entrepreneur, licensed mental health therapists, international speaker, dream worker,
1137
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.520
and published author. He has been a mental health therapist
1138
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.159
since two thousand and six and currently has an online
1139
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:36.600
private practice. He has traveled all over the world and
1140
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:41.600
studied many cultures and they're healing in dream traditions and
1141
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:45.800
in specific the African traditions, as South Africa is the
1142
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:50.159
country of his birth. He has given lectures, inspirational talks,
1143
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:56.560
and workshops for companies on creativity, innovation and leadership. Marchiel, welcome,
1144
01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:57.199
how you doing.
1145
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.720
I am great and excited to be here with you.
1146
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:02.199
Thank you for having me.
1147
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.600
You're welcome, man, this is going to be great. I
1148
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.720
love the stuff you're write about. We're going to be
1149
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:10.680
discussing how you and the audience can harness the power
1150
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:15.439
of your unconscious through dream incubation, which is a technique
1151
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.920
that teaches you how to access hidden wisdom that can
1152
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:22.319
be used for personal development, which I am all about
1153
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:24.319
from personal experience.
1154
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.600
I definitely believe.
1155
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:29.479
Dreams are much more than projections of our unconscious and
1156
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.800
can have profound effects on our waking reality, if you
1157
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:36.800
want to call reality reality, whatever that is to you.
1158
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.079
But this is your first time on, let's start with
1159
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:43.119
a bit about your background and what led you to
1160
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:44.239
research dreaming.
1161
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:52.560
Well, I've always had had dreams that I would take serious.
1162
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.880
Even my culture and my upbringing wasn't overly dreamed favorable.
1163
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:03.479
I had dreams that I thought that felt like they
1164
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:09.399
contained some information already depicted my situation accurately. But the
1165
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.399
main time, MA main period was in my early twenties.
1166
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:16.159
I was stuck in my life, didn't know what to do,
1167
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:22.000
lack of purpose on the resolved grief, sitting on the
1168
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.640
couch too much, doing nothing. And then I read the
1169
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:29.600
works by Carl Hume, who opened the door to the
1170
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.520
world of dream and I started to read that started
1171
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:38.039
to apply to my own dreams, and came to the
1172
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.680
shocking conclusion that the dreams really provided like a psychological
1173
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.840
X ray what was going on inside of me and
1174
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.319
both the more destructive dynamics that I was living out
1175
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.600
as well as the direction that my own soul wanted
1176
01:11:54.640 --> 01:12:00.600
to flow into. And by minimizing these destructive tendencies and
1177
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.479
aligning myself with the flow of life and the flow
1178
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.279
of my own soul, my life started to have purpose,
1179
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.960
meaning I got passion back, desire, and life just transformed
1180
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.079
for the better. And now that there are not ongoing
1181
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.439
struggles on the road, but at least I have a
1182
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.520
sense of purpose and meaning and that makes life significantly
1183
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.720
more colorful. So that is where the journey started early twenties,
1184
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.680
and I have been hanging on to the thread of
1185
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:29.760
dreams ever since.
1186
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:31.359
That's great.
1187
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:36.039
Now I want to get your insights into what you
1188
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:42.359
think dreams really are beyond just what modern mainstream science
1189
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:44.760
told us in the past about projections from our own
1190
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:50.079
conscious and the possibilities of how we can implement what
1191
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.479
happens in our dreams into actually affecting our lives.
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Well, those are some really big questions. Let me start
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with what a dream is, and maybe we can you
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and the people that watch or listen can follow the
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following little experiment. Take a dream that you recently had,
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or another dream that is particularly vivid. So if you
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have one, just notice where you are and notice whether
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it's light or dark. Notice if you're inside outside, Notice
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whether there's another in the dream, whether others a perm
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or a car, or a tree. And so once you
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01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:48.880
do that, you know, at least from an experiential part,
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that the dream is one a world, an environment that
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you find yourself in. You were somewhere inside outside maybe
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01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:05.319
we're in a field looking at trees, but you were somewhere,
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01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:10.159
and so the dream is a world. And this is
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such a fundamental asked one about what the dream is
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and how to work with a dream, because and especially
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01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:22.239
in the Western mind, there's very often the metaphor of
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01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:25.760
the dream is a letter sent from mystery source X
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01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.239
to you that needs to be deciphered to be interpreted.
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But the dream is not a letter. The dream is
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01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:37.039
a world that you find yourself in. It's almost like
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01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:42.720
a virtual. A better metaphould be a virtual reality. And
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01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.920
this for in this world that you are you actually
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another artist is your mind is aware, so you know
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that there's a dream crocodile, that there's a crocodile, and
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you decide to run. So your mind is completely active,
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01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:01.880
don't only thing is you're not aware that you're in
1219
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the dream world. Besides a few times they're lose it
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01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.840
and lucid means that you know that you're dreaming, So
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you're in a world. You're taking that world for real.
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That is how convincingly real a dream is. You don't
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01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:22.640
know that it is a dream, but your mind is
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01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:26.479
is awake, it's just not aware, and you're having an interaction.
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So that those are three elements about what a dream
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is and and and uh that doesn't answer it necessarily
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01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:41.880
from what is its purpose or what is it doing,
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but it sets the stage on understanding, oh, this is
1229
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what what my dream experience is. And in itself that
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01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:56.800
is remarkable because we have that experience, we wake up,
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01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.800
we we we tend to discard it, and we're having
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01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.359
a somewhat similar experience here. We're in a world, our
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mind is aware, somewhat awake, and we're having an interaction
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01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:14.399
and then we go to bed and we have exactly
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the similar experience at night in another in another world.
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Now what we have that, I will expand on it further,
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but just making checking in, does it mixing so far?
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And for me? Okay?
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Great? So then then that allows us to take this
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the starting point further and what is it that? How
1241
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:46.159
is this dream world created? And there we can see
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01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:56.520
that the dream world is created by our beliefs, our expectation, intent,
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01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:01.239
will power, focus and mystery source acts. And I borrow
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01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:06.079
this these insights from Robert Wagner, the dreamer who figured
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01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.000
this out. And there's different ways of looking at it.
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Because if you would go to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition,
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they would say, it's your karma, that's your personal and
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01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:20.640
collective karma that creates this world. But you're this world
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01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:28.359
is created partly through your own psyche in combination with
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01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:35.159
something else. Because we do encounter in dreams uh states
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of intelligence that are way more aware than we are.
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01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.520
Sometimes the dream character tells us something we don't know.
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The dream comes with suggestions that we don't know. We
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might even meet an ancestor and deceased ancestor in the dream.
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Those are not things that that is your personal mind.
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That isn't collective phenomenon, that is something not not I.
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So the dream is co created between the eye mind,
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the personal psyche, and the mystery collect you would call
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it a collective unconscious or the self. We could call
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it a mystery. And and those two interwoven create that
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environment you're in. For example, if you're in a dream
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and you would be talking like this, and then uh, uh,
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01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:29.880
maybe I think I'm rambling on. Then I have the
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belief and the feeling that I'm rambling on and that uh.
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And then a character would come into the dream that
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embodies my feeling of rambling on and criticism. Maybe my
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01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.720
old boss comes in, And then I would and you
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01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:47.680
would say, what do you associate to the boss? Oh,
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it's critical. Indeed, criticalness takes on the form and shape
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of the old boss. So you have these personal elements,
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01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:59.760
personal symbols, figures that are created in the dream by
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01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:03.239
your own feelings that take on the form and shape,
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01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.800
just like your own expectations take on a form and shape.
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In the form and shape that take take on is
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a world. They co create the world around you. And
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that is how how a dream gets into manifestation.
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Right now, what would you say is the difference between
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just dreaming and actual astral travel?
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These are these are different other worlds. So say that
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we call the dream is an other world. Uh, the
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01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:43.079
actual travel is another world. The out of body experience
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01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:48.720
is slightly different out of other world. The near death
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01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:52.199
experience is an other world. And they have an overlap
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01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:56.560
in that these other worlds are have have have a
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01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:59.960
lot of similar features on how they are created, how
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our mind and the larger mind creates these other worlds,
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01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.600
but they're they're different in that a dream is in
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a different world than an out of body experience. The
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out of body experience seems to mimic much closer to
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this reality with some features of dreaming. Where dreaming is
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is another is another variation of the other world.
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That makes sense.
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Uh, now, let's get some basics how we can kind
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of interpret guidance for our daily lives from our dreams.
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Yeah, well, the by knowing that this world you find
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yourself in is a is a manifestation of of your
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of your own personal and larger soul. You know, the
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territory you're in and your and your dream reflects back
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01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:56.760
your beliefs and expectations and UH and dynamics that you have.
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So in that way, the dream becomes a psychological on
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01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:04.640
where you are in life and UH. And by understanding
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where you are in the territory, it allows you to
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01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.720
navigate much more optimally through the journey of life. So
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dreams do provided that X ray and UH. What you
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01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:20.159
always see is that that your own soul wants to
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01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:24.079
become itself, just like the rose seed becomes a rose
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and the acorn becomes an oak. The human psyche has
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a specific quality for each individual and UH, and there's
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qualities and to realize themselves. And dreams pre configure the
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direction that your soul is moving into. So you can
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look at your dreams to see how the flow of
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01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:51.199
my life is going into this direction. And just by
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aligning with the with the characters and the flow, you
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will start giving expression to what lives deep inside of you.
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And then you get aligned with a sen of purpose
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and meaning and get into the flow. And that is
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where dreams spontaneously can be very helpful, and dreams can
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like I describe in my book the dream Guidance is
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a lot of us that have had helpful dreams, spontaneous
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helpful dreams. Many examples in history how dreams have changed
1321
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the course of history, where people get a song or
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01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.039
a book idea, or I had my company, the your platform,
1323
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.479
I deer in a dream, and so people have all
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01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:35.279
kinds of dreams that help them. But you don't have
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to wait for this helping quality from the dream to
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01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:41.800
come in. You can turn towards the dream and ask
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01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.520
a question before you go to bed in order to
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01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:48.640
trigger a dream response, and that is called dream incubation.
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And dream incubation is an effective technique to connect with
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the creative intelligence that lives inside of us or outside
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01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:02.479
of us, and that wants to us become us. And
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you can access that in many ways. Intuitions during the
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01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:10.520
day is one way, Synchronistic events is another. But it
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will also come in dreams. And in dreams we can
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get guidance for our day to day love.
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Well, you mentioned the dream incubation. Let's talk more about that.
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01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:23.520
Could you give us some examples of how this is
1338
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:27.039
done in different ways that people can kind of implant
1339
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:28.119
these ideas in there.
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01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:32.079
Yeah, So people can ask almost any question that is
1341
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:36.520
relevant to their life, whether it's how can I find
1342
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:39.359
a partner, how can I grow my business? How can
1343
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.880
I be more loving to myself? What is one type
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01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.720
of food that is good for me to eat? And
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01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.479
they can bring it to the dream. And recently I
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01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.800
had a man who had come out of a marriage,
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01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.680
was divorced. Back in the dating life didn't flow so well.
1348
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.640
So he asked me, can we apply this technic also
1349
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.359
to find a partner? And of course that is if
1350
01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.760
that's relevant to your heart, that's a great question. So
1351
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:11.560
he said, I would want to ask how do I
1352
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.239
find a great partner? And then he pondered a bit
1353
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.199
on it, and he thought, I do want to that
1354
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.520
is really my goal. But what I may be even
1355
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:24.279
more want to know is what is my biggest obstacle
1356
01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:29.920
in dating? Because I know there's an obstacle and I
1357
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:34.560
can put the finger on it. So Step one was
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01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.800
identifying that there is a question that you want to ask.
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01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:42.960
We all carry questions, and some questions we try to
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01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:48.039
push away, like should I leave this relationship, or should
1361
01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:50.600
I leave this job, or it's the right time to
1362
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:55.039
jump into this business adventure. Those are actually great questions
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01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.119
to ask. But first is you identify that there is
1364
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.359
a question that you want to ask. And then once
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01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:04.960
you've identified, I want to ask a question about like
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this guy relationships. The step two is formulate a good question.
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And there's really a super essential element of this process
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is that you formulate and and and one question at
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a time, open ended, a question that is uh uh,
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that is what you really want to know, like this
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01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.000
grow down dream? What is one? What is my biggest
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obstacle in my dating life?
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Mh.
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So then three, let's create a ritual. With ritual, I
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really mean, pay some communicate to this intelligent, wise compass
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01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:48.560
counselor that is on standby for all of us that
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01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:52.800
you're interested in getting an answer to your to your dream,
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to your question, and spend some time. And if I
1379
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when I looked at all indigenous cultures and other traditions
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that applied, is they all would do rituals, very on,
1381
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very specific rituals. And I noticed it's not so much
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01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:12.760
the specificness of the ritual, but you do something. So
1383
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this man made a drawing of a heart with a
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question mark on it, and then he wrote to the
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01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:24.600
dream things he wanted to know, and he spent some
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time on it. So it is that you put some
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01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:31.239
some time, effort, and heartfelt desire to know and let
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01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:35.600
the compassionate counselor know this is this is important to me,
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so that it's very relational, and so that it's step three.
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Step forwar is go to bed, to sleep, meditate briefly
1391
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:49.640
on your question, have the dream, and then step five
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is writ right down the dream on waking, because dreams
1393
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:57.239
will evaporate if you don't and uh, and then work
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01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:01.880
on it. Sometimes the dream is super clear. Sometimes the
1395
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:05.359
answer comes from an angle you hadn't thought about. It's
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01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.119
new to you, and you just need to let it
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01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:12.359
simmler bit and it will reveal itself in that day
1398
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or later. And so this man had a following dream.
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He says, in the dream, I'm driving in a car
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and in front of me is another car, and I
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01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:26.000
think that I'm driving in a tunnel, and I think
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that I see a mountain lion. When I get closer,
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I see a tiger. It's beautiful, really afraid for it,
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so I back out. He writes down the dream, and
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01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:44.399
then he asks the question that I suggest is don't
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01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.399
ask what does it mean? But ask the question, which
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01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.199
is fine as well, But ask the question, what is happening,
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and so what is happening? He described, Oh, I'm driving somewhere.
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01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:03.000
Then I think I see a lion, is something I'm
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a bit afraid of. Then I see it, see a tiger.
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I see something I'm afraid of. That's beautiful, and I'm afraid.
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And once I'm afraid, I back out. And he's like, oh,
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01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:20.039
when I'm when I get to go along, I get afraid.
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01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:23.439
My move is backing out. That's my biggest obstacle in
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my dating life. I was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
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01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:32.079
I see where that vulnerability is a challenge. And when
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I see a beautiful person that do sometimes it's easier
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01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:40.920
to ask someone else. And and so that was his
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01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:45.159
answer to that, to that question. And so that's in
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01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:48.880
a nutshell. The five steps. Identify that you have a problem,
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01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:54.000
write down a good simple question to a ritual, sleep
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01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:56.960
and dream right around the step five. Right down the
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01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:01.760
dream and work on it. And this is something anyone
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can do, whether you've ever never had a dream that
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01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:11.000
you remember or you're a longtime dreamer. This counselors will
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stand by for all of us and this is the
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way to engage with it.
1428
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:18.359
That is one of my biggest problems is remembering my dreams.
1429
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:22.319
I have trouble remembering oftentimes. Is there any maybe tips
1430
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:25.800
that you know of that could help people remember their dreams?
1431
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:32.760
Yes, it's a It starts with the first simple step
1432
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:35.960
is getting not in a pen and put it next
1433
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:40.600
to your bed. That already signals to the dream I'm interested.
1434
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.319
And when you wake up you have to write it
1435
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:50.000
down kind of immediate because when at night, your short
1436
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:54.319
term memory doesn't function. So you have actually two hours
1437
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:58.359
of active dreaming, but you won't remember that you were dreaming.
1438
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:02.319
And you're short term memory comes back online when you
1439
01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:06.439
wake up, but it isn't fully active yet, So it's
1440
01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:10.279
not willpower or intelligence, it's the memory doesn't work yet,
1441
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:14.279
so you have to write it down and uh and
1442
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:18.800
and that in itself usually helps people to get batter
1443
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:22.520
to it. Get a pens or paper and write it down.
1444
01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:24.640
And then there are things you can do on top
1445
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:27.439
of it. You can tell the dream before you go
1446
01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.640
to bed. Hey, dream have a hard time remembering you,
1447
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:34.239
But I would love to connect. And I had today
1448
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:38.880
this conversation with his dream guy and uh, he told
1449
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.439
me about it, and I'm excited to be reconnecting again.
1450
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:49.720
So please come and uh. And then when you wake up,
1451
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.600
even if you don't remember a dream, maybe there's a feeling.
1452
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.439
I wake up with a pit in my stomach. All right,
1453
01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:59.800
woke up pit in the stomach, felt this way. These
1454
01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:03.880
were sensations. And you say, oh, thank you dream you
1455
01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.479
were you were there. I just didn't remember it all.
1456
01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:10.399
I'll try tonight in and then you have probably two
1457
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:15.079
three dreams a week. And if you if you follow
1458
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:19.239
that on a on a on a daily basis, and uh,
1459
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.600
that that will give you enough information to be more
1460
01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:27.560
guided by the creative intelligence that lies at the core
1461
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:28.439
of existence.
1462
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:32.439
Something else I've always been super interested in, only been
1463
01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:35.880
able to do maybe a few times that I can remember,
1464
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:39.600
is lucid dreaming and gaining control of my dreams in
1465
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:40.439
certain ways.
1466
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:41.199
Uh.
1467
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:43.239
Is there any tips that you could give us about,
1468
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:46.680
you know, lucid dreaming, being able to control our dreams.
1469
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:51.680
Yeah. Well, step one is, uh, become start getting improving
1470
01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:57.319
your dream recall because that will because what you what
1471
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:00.640
you need is in the dream, know that your dream.
1472
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:03.000
There are a couple of ways that people can improve that.
1473
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:11.560
One is in TI ask yourself, am I dreaming? And
1474
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:14.319
instead of immediately saying oh, no, this is not a dream.
1475
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.119
How do I know this is not a dream? Well,
1476
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:21.760
let me see if I if I can push the wall. No,
1477
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:26.199
I cannot pull through the wall. This is dense reality
1478
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.039
or waking life. If this is a dream, I can
1479
01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:31.000
push through the through the wall. And if I would
1480
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.960
do that, I would be like, well, I'm dreaming, And
1481
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:37.920
then you can can do an experiment. So that is
1482
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:42.199
one and people sometimes do it like every time they
1483
01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.880
step through the door a door, car door, front door
1484
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:51.600
at the company, wherever they are shopping, mall, you step
1485
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:54.960
through the wall door, you automatically have in your mind
1486
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:58.960
am I dreaming? And you do a quick test, I'm
1487
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:02.279
can I push through my my hand, No, this is
1488
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.079
not a dream. Then in a dream you will start
1489
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:09.079
doing the same. You step through Either you ask yourself,
1490
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.000
hey is this dream? You do the test, or you
1491
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:14.560
step through a door and you say is this a dream?
1492
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:16.560
And you think, oh, no, this is not a dream
1493
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:19.199
because dreams are really real. And then you do this
1494
01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:22.840
and you're like, whoa, it is a dream and I
1495
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:27.039
don't know what what what you've done. I can give
1496
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.800
some some options of things to experiment that love to
1497
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:31.600
hear what.
1498
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:34.439
The only thing that I've kind of achieved is being
1499
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:38.119
able to somewhat fly and realize. And I was controlling it,
1500
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:43.079
and another one was exploring like an old mansion that
1501
01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:45.560
I realized I was in a dream, and I kind
1502
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:47.600
of went off on my own way.
1503
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:49.199
But that's still things I really remember.
1504
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:53.359
Oh that's that is That is great. And I think
1505
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:56.560
that also ties back to the beginning that you in
1506
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.439
those dreams really realize, Hey, I'm in a world. I'm
1507
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:05.479
in a mansion. It feels real. Uh. And and that
1508
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.680
for whatever it is, the dream is the world you
1509
01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:12.279
found yourself in. It's full of intelligence. In that way,
1510
01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:18.640
I would advise people come prepared because often in the
1511
01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:23.479
dream our mind doesn't work as sharp as in this reality.
1512
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:29.079
So maybe you wanna fly in the dream, or you
1513
01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:33.119
can yell out, is there anyone with a message for me,
1514
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:37.520
and just see what happens. I had that once and
1515
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:40.640
and my youth hero yoan crime for soccer player games,
1516
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.520
came flying to me and he said, come fly with me.
1517
01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:48.039
He started to show me things or talk to the
1518
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:52.479
dream characters and ask them questions, says, who are you?
1519
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:54.359
Do you have anything to tell me? What do you
1520
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:57.720
want me to know? And the and the things they say.
1521
01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:04.800
It's sometimes their fought forms, just your personal unconscious, not
1522
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.840
very intelligent. But if they are real others, they who
1523
01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:12.640
live in the world of dream, you get answers that
1524
01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:16.119
are mind blowing. They tell you things you didn't know.
1525
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And so that's what.
1540
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:19.600
I want to get to next is these entities are
1541
01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:23.399
intelligences that reside in our dreams, that seem to know
1542
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:27.279
things that we ourselves didn't know before, or seem to
1543
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:32.000
give us profound information or insights about our lives. What
1544
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:34.720
are you do you think that these are actually other
1545
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:38.159
types of intelligences, that that's the world they live in,
1546
01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:40.479
or could it be like a you know, for a
1547
01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:45.279
form of collective aggrigors or thought forms or thing different.
1548
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:46.159
What are your thoughts?
1549
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:48.840
Well, what I what I do? What I do?
1550
01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:49.199
Uh?
1551
01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:54.199
My assumption, what I think is they're not I, They're
1552
01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:57.159
not me. They know things that I don't know. They
1553
01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:02.000
can know things that happen in the future somewhere else. Uh,
1554
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:05.319
they come up with solutions I haven't thought about. So
1555
01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:09.439
I don't think it's I And I think uh, I
1556
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:12.600
like my youth hero Joan Kraft, who came flying to
1557
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.199
me really started showing me things that that I didn't
1558
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:20.000
know about, and he gave me an instruction that was
1559
01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:24.359
just baffling to my to me, so I think we
1560
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:31.039
encounter uh beings in that in that world who are
1561
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:35.640
sometimes more aware than us. Not infrequently they're more aware,
1562
01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:39.079
and they have a certain intelligence, and they tell us
1563
01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:41.960
things that that we don't know, and they can show
1564
01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:46.159
us things and my my, my assumption is that they
1565
01:37:46.479 --> 01:37:49.840
lived there, or maybe they moved through different realms that
1566
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:52.520
they also live in the out of body of walm
1567
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.319
or but they they live in in in the other
1568
01:37:55.439 --> 01:38:01.359
world and uh and And that also comes back to
1569
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:05.800
one of the oldest ideas that mankind has is that
1570
01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:10.159
we come into the world with a guiding spirit, a
1571
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.279
spirit that knows who we are and what what the
1572
01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:17.439
purposes of being in this world, as if we have
1573
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:23.159
a task to accomplish. And in the Greek tradition this
1574
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:27.640
is called the diamond they a I m o n
1575
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.560
or in the Roman tradition it's called the genius. Comes
1576
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:34.680
from the North African word genie the spirit who is
1577
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:39.600
already there, and some indigenous Africans call it the divine twin.
1578
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.600
Current day uses very often something as the spirit guide
1579
01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:47.239
and this this this figure lives in the world of
1580
01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:52.119
dream in the other world, lives and accompanies us throughout
1581
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:55.520
life and uh and and talks to us, and it's
1582
01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:58.880
on standby and wants to help us and probably our
1583
01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:02.439
some of our intovis and feelings come from this character.
1584
01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:05.960
But in the dream, or in the lucid dream, we
1585
01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:11.319
can directly engage with this character for support and guidance
1586
01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:15.039
in our life. So if you're for anyone that becomes
1587
01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:18.880
lucid tonight or in the next little while, you can
1588
01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:22.039
yell out, I would love to meet one of my
1589
01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:25.439
spirit guides. That would be helpful for me to meet.
1590
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:29.840
And then either they step forward most of the time,
1591
01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.840
or if they don't, they just feel it's not the
1592
01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:37.039
right time to engage, and then you do just another experiment.
1593
01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:41.039
But that way you have the direct experience with these
1594
01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:46.079
characters and then maybe also come prepared tell that thank
1595
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.720
you so much for helping me. I appreciate all the
1596
01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:57.199
efforts you put into keeping me on the path. And again,
1597
01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.159
is there anything I can do for you? Is there
1598
01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:01.840
anything you want to tell? Tell me, have a haven,
1599
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:05.720
have a conversation with with this figure and your life.
1600
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:10.640
Will you You'll have just this life changing, mind blowing
1601
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.960
experience that will you will change your life forever.
1602
01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:18.960
Yeah, there's so many that seems benefits that you can
1603
01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:22.439
achieve through engaging with your dreams. One of the things
1604
01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:24.600
you write about is how to nurture and build the
1605
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:28.000
relationship with your soul through dream work. Could you talk
1606
01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:28.840
a little bit about that?
1607
01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:35.520
Yeah, I think that, Uh, we all have a soul,
1608
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:38.720
and the little soul is connected to the larger soul
1609
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:42.159
a little bit like we are a wave on the
1610
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:47.359
ocean and uh and and the wave is made of
1611
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.199
the same substance as the ocean, and technically there's no difference.
1612
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:54.439
Just this is a wave and this little way this wave,
1613
01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:57.640
and maybe the foae on top is is this eye
1614
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.760
and and the rest of the wave is our personal unconscious,
1615
01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:05.319
our soul, and it's attached to the larger soul of
1616
01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:10.560
the ocean. And in dreams we uh, we get in
1617
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:16.960
touch with our soul and not unlike with the spirit
1618
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:21.000
guides or the diamond or the genius. And the soul
1619
01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:24.720
is the core of who we are and what we're
1620
01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:29.600
about to become. And it expresses itself in dream and
1621
01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:33.279
it's directions and it shows what doesn't go, what can
1622
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.159
be different, and how we can get further, and comes
1623
01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:41.479
with advice. But we can proactively nurture this relationship and
1624
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:44.520
we can we can in this reality. You already start
1625
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:48.880
seeing soul. I'm interested in giving more expression to you.
1626
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:54.000
And tonight in the dream, please show me one thing
1627
01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:57.279
that you that I should focus upon right now to
1628
01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:04.439
bring you into the world in a more beautiful, interesting way,
1629
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:06.800
and then you will have a dream that shows what
1630
01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:10.199
your soul things that you're the best next step is
1631
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:13.439
for you, And sometimes it's a little step that you
1632
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:16.000
need to take. Sometimes it's a big step, but it
1633
01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:21.359
knows best and it gives it gives advice that's really
1634
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:25.760
in your best interest. So dreams are an expression of
1635
01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:29.840
your soul, and the soul is there really to help you,
1636
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:34.119
and you can connect through it in your dreams and
1637
01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:38.479
in this dream incubation, you can ask the question and
1638
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:41.920
people can ask anything that is relevant to their life.
1639
01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:44.760
So if you ask, what did my neighbor have for
1640
01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:49.319
dinner last night, it's always like not interesting. But if
1641
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:51.800
you say, how can I be a better partner? How
1642
01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:54.840
can I be more loving? What's going on between me
1643
01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:58.840
and this person? How can I solve my health issue,
1644
01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:04.159
which a lot of people also do. Recently had a
1645
01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:10.920
person who had a tremendous pain in his stomach and
1646
01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:14.960
uh uh and and and had going on for weeks,
1647
01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:17.279
and then one evening it was so terrible that he
1648
01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:20.680
uh woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't sleep.
1649
01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.760
Went through the process. Of course, he knew his question
1650
01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:31.720
asked what is what is going on for me? Did
1651
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:34.680
a little ritual, went to the following dream, And in
1652
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:40.720
the dream, he is uh uh. First he is sitting
1653
01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:46.359
at the table and he's he's talking to someone with
1654
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:49.479
a with a cabbage as as a head, and the
1655
01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:55.960
person is sweating prof prof profoundly. And then uh he
1656
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.479
is uh uh talking to someone at the table who says,
1657
01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:03.680
who was also not feeling well, says, oh, I had
1658
01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:09.760
a fermented hamburger, and uh. And then he left there
1659
01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:13.520
and he went to a place where there were a
1660
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:17.359
restaurant and they had some eggs, and then he decided
1661
01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:20.520
the eggs were not he wanted to have the eggs.
1662
01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:24.560
And then he woke up and he thought, huh, these
1663
01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:29.079
three foods, the fermented of the cabbage, the fermented hamburger,
1664
01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:32.800
and the eggs are maybe not so good for me.
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01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:37.159
And so he stopped eating all fermented food, No more cabbage,
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01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:40.039
no more eggs, And the and the and the pain
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01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:45.239
in the stomach disappeared within this. And so the dream
1668
01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:49.279
is interested also in helping on on on these medical problems.
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01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:51.600
Now, how far do you think that can go? Do
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01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:53.920
you think this is a form of a placebo? Are
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01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:57.760
something more that's actually affecting our biology.
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01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:03.920
Well, both pepers do affect our biology. And Placebos is
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01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:09.119
really uh, you take either an innate substance or you
1674
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:13.920
have a sham surgery and you get healed, you get better,
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01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.319
And then the question because what is it that uh
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01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:22.520
triggers this healing response, because it's not the surgery and
1677
01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:26.439
UH and the and the substance and what it What
1678
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:31.680
it really is is this is your is is the
1679
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:35.800
same reality creating principles that you can learn in the
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01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:40.199
in the in the dream name it's your expectation, believe
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01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:45.199
in tent, reaching out to something larger, focus and the
1682
01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:52.560
mystery source X and that that creates healing. So uh,
1683
01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.760
you can apply this method of asking your dream for
1684
01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:59.920
help also in this reality. It's just that dreams are
1685
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:02.039
when you're in the dream state, you seem to be
1686
01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:05.520
in a frequency that is easier to access that information
1687
01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:09.880
or get healing. But it applies also to this reality.
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01:46:10.720 --> 01:46:17.960
And Placebo's work based on creating a great ritual because
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01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.119
you just go through a whole ritual of going to
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01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:24.239
the to the hospital getting this sham surgery and you
1691
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:27.640
can walk again, and so of course a miracle with
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01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:32.319
your own body healed itself by you aligning with it
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01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:36.119
in a certain way that we breager this healing response.
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01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:41.359
And and part of that that that is the ritual
1695
01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:45.439
combined with these psychological reality creating principles.
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01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:48.319
Well, let's talk a little bit more about those rituals.
1697
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:51.600
How can people develop these in wood It would exactly
1698
01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:55.359
be meaning by rituals to engage your soul and your dreams.
1699
01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:00.479
Yeah, a ritual is, how I see it, any form
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01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:04.880
in which you grind this reality and get yourself in
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01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:08.680
a space where the other world can flow in. So
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01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:10.800
I think that you have this world, but that co
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01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:16.960
existing is the world of out of body experiences, the
1704
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:21.239
dream world, the near death experiences. These are just different
1705
01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:26.199
states of consciousness or different worlds co existing. They exist
1706
01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:29.680
next to each other or interwoven in each other, and
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01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:33.199
we live in the world that is rather dense. That
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01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:37.399
therefore I call it often dense reality and dense reality
1709
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.359
if you want to grind it open, you get a
1710
01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:48.199
dreaming consciousness that comes in, and the dreaming consciousness contains
1711
01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:54.159
the healing, the healing powers, and the creative powers, and
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01:47:54.199 --> 01:47:56.960
you want to have that into your world. And you
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01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:04.920
do that by lighting a candle, doing a song, a prayer,
1714
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:09.479
and anything to do with or a dance that you
1715
01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:13.600
become a little bit less dense in this reality. You
1716
01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:16.119
open up so that the flow of life can come in.
1717
01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:20.960
When the flow of life comes in place, ebo can happen,
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01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:27.399
dream responses come. You become more creative, your intuition becomes better,
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01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:33.079
You're more attuned to synchronicities because the very focused, driven
1720
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:37.800
mind is not so open to the other world. So
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01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:42.920
a ritual is not like you have to do candle first,
1722
01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:48.039
then these four steps, then sing this song, But it
1723
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:52.000
is just you do something that spontaneously comes to you.
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01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:55.720
And you can use these classic ingredients like making a libation,
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01:48:56.319 --> 01:49:01.000
lighting a candle, doing a prayer. But then think about
1726
01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:05.680
what would work for you. And if you have an illness,
1727
01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:10.760
you might make a drawing and that's how you feel
1728
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:14.199
and where you want to go. Or I know a
1729
01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:17.520
painter who put the blank canvas next to his bed
1730
01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:22.680
as a ritual to get inspiration for painting. A writer
1731
01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:26.359
who got stuck in the story just put the printed
1732
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:29.119
out the chapter that he was stuck and put it
1733
01:49:29.159 --> 01:49:34.560
under his pillow. Those are personalized rituals and people can
1734
01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:38.880
can do. Almost anything can be a ritual if you
1735
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:42.359
put your heart and focus and awareness in it as
1736
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:47.520
a way to open up to the other world. Does
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01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:49.479
that make yeah?
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01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:53.359
Yes, And I want to go back to the intelligences
1739
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:57.840
that we interact with at times. Many times people interact
1740
01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:03.920
with deceased loved ones or deceased friends and ancestors. Do
1741
01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:07.600
you think that these are actually the essence or spirit
1742
01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:11.039
or soul of the ancestors, are something else we've created.
1743
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:17.319
I think that sometimes we success her. That is the
1744
01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:22.439
personal mind creating that person that happens you sit somewhere
1745
01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:27.520
and somewhere in the restaurant is Uncle Joe. But then
1746
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:33.399
there's also many people report to have experiences that they said,
1747
01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:37.880
I met Mom, and Mom had the most amazing dress,
1748
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:42.399
and I felt this was Mom. And they very often
1749
01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:47.359
profound impact on a person's life. And I've had those
1750
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:51.199
dreams that I was convinced, this is the essence, This
1751
01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:56.520
is the spirit of my father or my grandfather or
1752
01:50:56.560 --> 01:51:00.840
my aunt coming to visit me in the dream space.
1753
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.920
Those dreams usually had a different quality, what what you
1754
01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:12.600
we call a numicity, a certain intensity and almost a
1755
01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:16.159
bit of a sacredness to it, where I would meet
1756
01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:20.960
these characters, and many people have had had that. And
1757
01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:24.199
I don't know if you you feel that you've met
1758
01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:25.319
your ancestors.
1759
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:30.159
I have met what I believe to be spirit guides,
1760
01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:34.520
possibly ancestors, and my grandmother at one time.
1761
01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:40.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and and and I think that
1762
01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:44.880
most people have had or I know that most people
1763
01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:49.520
have had such an experience in their life. Uh. And
1764
01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:53.199
of course it always remains was it really Uncle Joe?
1765
01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:54.319
Was really my dad?
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01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:55.560
Uh?
1767
01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:58.520
And I think that the only real answer there is
1768
01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:03.560
did did it give you the impression that it was
1769
01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:08.479
that way? Scientifically we can we can probably not answer that,
1770
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:13.239
even if they tell us sometimes information that we don't know,
1771
01:52:13.399 --> 01:52:18.119
you can find other explanation models there. I think trust yourself.
1772
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:22.359
Did it feel like like a real, real visitation?
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01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:24.319
Ah?
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01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:27.000
I would go with I do in my life.
1775
01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.960
Do you think that we would have to ever worry
1776
01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:34.760
about negative entities actually having an effect on us in
1777
01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:36.439
these realms?
1778
01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.680
Well? And I've I was born in South Africa, so
1779
01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:44.439
I visited a lot a lot of African South African
1780
01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:53.000
indigenous healers, and there it's very much common understanding that
1781
01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:57.239
some spirits are are are benign and some are more
1782
01:52:57.319 --> 01:53:00.119
dark and you need to be a bit careful for
1783
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:06.439
and especially uh uh when when people do activities that
1784
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:15.079
aren't really uh positive, like maybe excessive drinking or addiction
1785
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:20.560
or stealing. Uh, it looks like they're opening up to
1786
01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:27.119
spirits coming in that aren't aren't in your best interest.
1787
01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:33.119
And but we also could meet just like in this reality,
1788
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:38.479
figures that that aren't that aren't in our best interest,
1789
01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:42.079
whether they're jealous, or they want to do excessive drugs
1790
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:46.399
or want us to do commit fraud or whatever they
1791
01:53:46.439 --> 01:53:50.039
wanted to do. Also in the other world appears to
1792
01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:53.920
be once in a while a figure that isn't isn't
1793
01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:57.720
isn't helpful. But what is the best protection is is
1794
01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:03.479
try to live and life that is in alignment with
1795
01:54:04.039 --> 01:54:10.560
your soul. Then there's not much they bounce off of that,
1796
01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:15.119
there's not much to get there. But when we're in
1797
01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:20.479
a place where wounded or were really jealous or super hateful,
1798
01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:23.600
we seem to be getting in frequencies where we start
1799
01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:28.000
meeting like mind at more malicious entities.
1800
01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:32.800
And also when you look into the world of things
1801
01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:37.000
and entities we can contact in these different realms, one
1802
01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:39.479
of the things that comes up especially for me with
1803
01:54:39.560 --> 01:54:42.159
a lot of guests I've had, is what they call
1804
01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:47.319
extraterrestrial abduction or contact experiences. And these seem to be
1805
01:54:47.479 --> 01:54:50.800
happening a lots of times in either a dream state
1806
01:54:51.079 --> 01:54:54.439
or some sort of astral type of realm or not
1807
01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:58.000
this reality, where they're being either taken to or they
1808
01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:02.079
somehow end up there in their dreams, and its mixed experiences.
1809
01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:06.680
Some of them are very transformative spiritual experiences that the
1810
01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:08.960
people come back and they they get they make their
1811
01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:11.399
lives better and it's a wonderful, beautiful thing. And some
1812
01:55:11.439 --> 01:55:13.680
of them are quite terrifying, where they feel like they're
1813
01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:17.079
being experimented on and things taken from their body and
1814
01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:18.960
all kinds of strangeness.
1815
01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:21.560
What is your thoughts on that whole phenomenon.
1816
01:55:22.479 --> 01:55:26.439
Well, it's it's clear that these experiences happened to people
1817
01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:30.960
and that they seem to get in touch with the
1818
01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:35.279
other world or the other worlds, and that whether it's
1819
01:55:35.279 --> 01:55:38.800
the dream world or an other world where they are
1820
01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:43.239
transported out of this reality somewhere else. We're driving the car.
1821
01:55:43.399 --> 01:55:47.680
Two hours later, they find themselves standing beside the road
1822
01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:53.479
and they remember being in an abducted in a spaceship
1823
01:55:53.840 --> 01:56:00.600
having had this experience, and what it what what mimics
1824
01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:04.640
or has some structure of, is these other worldly journeys
1825
01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:08.800
that you sometimes see in the more shamanic tradition, where
1826
01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:13.399
a figure is somewhat initiated into the understanding that there
1827
01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:16.479
is more than this world, that there is another world
1828
01:56:16.920 --> 01:56:20.720
that is inhabited by beings that have an autonomy of
1829
01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:24.560
their own, have an intelligence of their own. And sometimes
1830
01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:29.159
that is, like with the shaman, is somewhat benign, and
1831
01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:34.239
other times they get broken open and it's a rather
1832
01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:38.199
painful exercise that will be put back together usually and
1833
01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:43.600
then they're here again. And but it is it has
1834
01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:48.520
somewhat of an initiation into the other world and the
1835
01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:53.239
existing of another world, and their life is never the
1836
01:56:53.279 --> 01:56:57.359
same anymore. They know in their in their own being,
1837
01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:01.119
there is more than this world. There are other worlds
1838
01:57:01.479 --> 01:57:04.960
with figures in it that that exists.
1839
01:57:06.399 --> 01:57:10.000
Yeah, that one was fascinating, incredible aspects of it. I
1840
01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:12.319
want to get your take on shared dreams, if this
1841
01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:15.920
is possible, and if you've kind of documented or heard
1842
01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:17.079
anything about.
1843
01:57:16.720 --> 01:57:21.239
This, Yes, I I have, not not that many. But
1844
01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:25.199
the most remarkable one I once heard was someone was
1845
01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:29.279
telling their colleague, Hey, I saw I saw you yesterday
1846
01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:32.399
in my dream. We were at an uh at an
1847
01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:36.800
amusement park and we were in a roller coat. And
1848
01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:40.359
the colleague was was like, what I saw you in
1849
01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:42.600
the dream. You were sitting in front of me, and
1850
01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:48.279
it was what you said, we're sitting behind me. So
1851
01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:52.239
that is that is that is wild. And I know
1852
01:57:52.399 --> 01:57:55.800
from people who have become lucid in the dream, and
1853
01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:00.359
I've done experiments in UH, so you've become lose it.
1854
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:02.479
You know, you're dreaming. And then let's say that you
1855
01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:06.239
and I would agree on this tonight. If we become lucy,
1856
01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:09.199
it will visit each other. So I would say, I
1857
01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:13.319
want to visit your dream, give you a signal like
1858
01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:17.000
doing this, and then the next day I would say,
1859
01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:21.119
did you do you remember seeing me? And if so,
1860
01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:26.640
was there anything that I did? And so if people
1861
01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:31.840
put up these types of experiments with a very high correlation,
1862
01:58:32.079 --> 01:58:34.239
or people were accurately able to say, oh, yeah, I
1863
01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:38.640
saw you, you did this, and especially if they both
1864
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:42.880
get locid at the same time, it's much easier to remember.
1865
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:47.039
But so people seem to be able to do that.
1866
01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:51.760
There's anecdotal evidence, and I think if you take that
1867
01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:56.399
metaphor of we're all waves attached to the ocean, that
1868
01:58:56.560 --> 01:59:01.640
we that we share this collective space, that we that
1869
01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:04.840
we that we are able to visit each other in
1870
01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:05.720
the dream space.
1871
01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:10.560
Well, aren't they doing some fascinating experiments at places like
1872
01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:14.000
the Monroe Institute with things this not only dreams, but
1873
01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:17.520
shared actual experience and out of body experiences and things
1874
01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:17.880
like that.
1875
01:59:18.880 --> 01:59:21.640
Yeah, I don't know much about what they do, but
1876
01:59:21.760 --> 01:59:24.960
I've read about it and that that they have some
1877
01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:32.079
really uh interesting credible data show that this is that
1878
01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:35.079
that some people are, that this is possible in some people,
1879
01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:37.680
and to me it makes all the sense of the world.
1880
01:59:37.800 --> 01:59:42.680
I I believe there's a collective unconscious that we can
1881
01:59:43.039 --> 01:59:44.640
we can be in each other's dreams.
1882
01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:49.479
Now, one of the other things that prevents people from
1883
01:59:49.479 --> 01:59:52.680
either remembering dreams or even having dreams is not reaching
1884
01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:56.319
that state of sleep that rep a R. E. M
1885
01:59:56.359 --> 02:00:00.359
sleep state where you can actually experience this. And you know,
1886
02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:03.199
I have trouble sleeping at times myself. Is there any
1887
02:00:03.239 --> 02:00:04.800
advice you can give people about this?
1888
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:10.199
Well, you probably still have dreams. They also happen outside
1889
02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:13.000
of the rams sleep. There's by far if you wake
1890
02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:16.399
people up, they always say, yes, I was in a dream,
1891
02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:21.359
and the uh, the most intense dreams are there in
1892
02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:25.840
uh in in in ability to sleep. It depends a
1893
02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:29.119
little bit what what causes a person to wake up,
1894
02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:35.079
and what sometimes have helped is, uh, just to see
1895
02:00:35.159 --> 02:00:39.880
what do I wake up to? So and I wake
1896
02:00:40.039 --> 02:00:44.439
up to the thought that I need to do something,
1897
02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:49.640
or that I need to yeah, that I that I'm
1898
02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:53.800
anxious about X, Y and C. Or at once at
1899
02:00:53.840 --> 02:00:58.239
three am, I have some catastrophic thinking about how I
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02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:01.880
did this and horrible that I that just write it
1901
02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:04.960
down in a little notebook at that moment and say, okay,
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dream of waking up, I'm waking up to I need
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to do the following things. I need to check my
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tax and I need to check the car and call mom.
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And then just say tomorrow morning, the first thing I
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will do is I will spend some time on it.
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It's almost like the soul that the soul wanted you
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to work on it, and at three am your most
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liable to hear the whispers of yours and so then
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it comes in and if you say, okay, I'm gonna
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work on it the next day, and they have to
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follow through on it. Something in you know. So I've
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been hurt, I've been listened to, the message came through.
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The brings the anxiety down, and we can usually sleep further.
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Then we can lie that Then if the next night
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you wake up again, just go through the same procedure
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till your soul knows, hey, I'm being listened to. I
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don't need to bother. He's following through listening better to
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the intuitions throughout the day, and that that helps. Of course,
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there are more reasons why people wake up to the night,
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but this is this is a big one.
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Yeah. Now, I have a couple of personal experiences that
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really stuck with me that I want to get your
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take on. One of them was I am dreaming and
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I was sleeping next to one of my ex girlfriends
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at the time, and in my dream, it was a
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pretty terrifying dream. There was a home invasion. I'm being
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tied up and she's there with me, and she's being
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tied up, and all of a sudden, it's like they
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were grabbing these these huge vats of water and started
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pouring it on us at this like at same time,
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they started pouring these vats of water on us. My
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girlfriend accidentally spilled her drink all over my head. And
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it was like this amazing type of chain of reaction
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from my dream to the time I wake up terrified,
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soaking well, like not knowing if this is reality, what's
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going on. But it was such a strong correlation to
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what was happening in my dream to the water hitting
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my face. I found it pretty profound. What are your
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thoughts on that.
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Yeah, what they've done some research on is infuse certain
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experiences in people's environment. For example, they would put people
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in a sleep laboratory to sleep dream and then put
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in a certain smell or start hitting the room up
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or making it very cold, and sometimes the dream would
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start incorporating that. So let's say you would put the
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smell of smoke. Then at once the dream would start
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creating a situation where maybe the kitchen was on fire.
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And so the dream does seem to take into account
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external circumstances. So one one variation with your dream could
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be the moment she poured it on you, your dream
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immediately makes this flood flood in your dream, right right.
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So it was as she was pouring the water it
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started to form this dream.
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But in my dream.
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It seemed like it was a longer length of time
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than actually you know, occurred with a splcent of water.
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Yeah, so that is it. That is one way, of course,
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it could be that your dream was by chance or
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or no, probably your dream would not your what your
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girlfriend was doing, your you were dreaming this, and independent
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of that that happened. It would be a curiosity. Of course,
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the dream is capable of doing that, so it could
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that it mimicked of those two process has happened independently
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and merged in terms of meaning. Research has shown that
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the first very variation does happen, which which could make
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sense it also happened independently, where there's more synchronistic event
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and uh and and the dream somehow knew what's about
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to happen and anticipated it.
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Yeah.
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One of the more common things is here in the
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telephone ring and it'll ring in my dreams, or they'll
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leave the TV on in the background and I'll start
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dreaming about the movie that's on and I'll be in
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the movie and stuff.
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So that's a good one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, And that is not like unlike
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the technique of dream incubation. What you have there is
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like oh, the movie is playing. And then and then
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your own dreaming will pick up on the theme and
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what you were thinking of or were influenced by you
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start dreaming about, and that is where their ritual also
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comes from. You put pressure and focus on I want
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to have an answer to what's my biggest block in
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my dating life, and then that moves into your dream.
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And the more you put focus on it, that's the ritual,
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the more likely it will go into your dream, and
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the more likely your dream will give you an answer. Yeah,
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funny is how that happens. I've heard people read the
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book Fall Asleep, finish the book, we're excited about it,
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and then notice that it was a completely different ending than.
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The real Oh that's a good one. Wow.
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Yeah, man, I love this is fascinating stuff.
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I want to close on this.
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I want to get your thoughts on sleep paralysis and
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some of the things that can occur during these instances.
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For me, I had.
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Sleep paralysis for a period of two or three years
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back in it was a you know, a pretty dark
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time in my life. I wasn't in the best place.
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I was going through divorce and wasn't sleeping well. But
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when I did sleep I would experiences the bouts of
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paralysis where I couldn't move trying to get up, and
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then these kind of shadow figures would start surrounding me
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or be walking in my room. I could see them passing,
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and I'd hear loud, banging noises that I couldn't do
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anything about, just all kinds of creepy stuff until I
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just finally break out of whatever it was.
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What is your insights into this?
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Yeah, it's in in a it's it's somewhat rare, but
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also a common experience. And what happens is uh at
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when when we when we fall asleep and we dream,
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usually our body gets paralyzed so that we don't act out.
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You know, you see people move arounround, but we don't.
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We don't flap around or fight off the monsters while
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as sleep, So your body gets paralyzed and then we
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wake up, and sometimes we wake up and then the
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body is still paralyzed, and that is sleep paralysis. And
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it almost always goes between thirty seconds and three minutes
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it goes away, so it's it's completely harmless. It's a
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natural phenomenon. There's not any person in the world that
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had this and was paralyzed for life. And so if
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people know, hey, this is and my body is still asleep,
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and usually you can start wriggling your fingers and then
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you go come back to life. There's one way of
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being with it, and then the other thing that like
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you know that and some have that is hey, I
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started seeing these these darker characters in room, and it
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appears that there is some overlap of the dreaming consciousness
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flowing into this reality. It's like these worlds are are
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are merged, and for some reason, it's more often a
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darker content that people see. If you're really lucid at
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that moment, you could even say, who are you? What
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are you doing here? What do you want? Do you
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have anything to tell me? You could ask and see
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what happens. It's not they can't literally harm you. You'll
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wake up and you'll be fine. There's this overlap of
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states of consciousness that are blending, and it takes a
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couple of minutes for that to go away.
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Yeah, that's so interesting.
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And the overlap also occurs from dream states and sleep
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paralysis to people who have experienced astral travel or out
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out of body experience. I heard have also encountered these
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beings when they would pop out of their body, they'd
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see them ending there where they would be if you
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had sleep paralysis, when they pop out of their body
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and see them. And usually it's not a plas an
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experience when they've encountered them.
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Yeah, uh uh and uh it's it's in sleeperalysis. It's
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usually that way. Probably what my experience is with the
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out of body experiences is it also flex a bit
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of persons state of mind where they are at that moment.
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Some people who feel in a better state usually have
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a fewer of those experiences. So your own, your own
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place reflects a bit what you see. But I know people,
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yeah and that, But that doesn't explain why in sleeperalysis
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it is more often dark. Maybe also were quickly afraid
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for it that turns them more dark.
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Yeah, I love this man, this. I could talk about
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this stuff all day now. Before you head out for
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the audience that is interested in learning about how to
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harness the power of their dreams and engage with them,
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what's the best way for them to find out more
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about your work and what you're offering.
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Well, I wrote a book titled Dream Guidance that people
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can purchase on Amazon Barnes and Nobles. There's a website
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called Bookdepository dot com that delivers books for free all
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around the world, so no matter where you are, if
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Amazon and Barnes and Noble isn't there, And there's a
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great way of where I teach this five steps, how
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to do it, create a question, the rituals, and how
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to work with the answer. And besides that, I started
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a company called the Young Platform ju n g platform
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dot com based out of a night am dream, where
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we provide programs on yungien and soul psychology from shadow works, synchronicity,
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archetypes to tibet dream work shamanism. We have not fifty
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year programs there, so for everyone something or visit my
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personal website, which is the most difficult of them. Also
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my name marchial Clerk dot com. Maybe you can put
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it in the footnotes. It's m ah okay, great, let's
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say have people go there. But if people type in
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dream Guidance, they probably already get to me because that's
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my book and it will lead there. But mariel Clerk
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dot com bo will get you to all the services
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that I offer and the dreamwork and therapy and Young Platform.
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Perfect yes, I'll definitely have all those notes in the
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description so people can just easily click that and go
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visit your site.
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Machil, thank you so much.
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This was fantastic. I'd love to definitely talk with you
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again in the future.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate your energy and your inquisitive mind, and it
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made it the joy to be with you.
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Oh wonderful. Look forward to the next time.
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Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk
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in tomorrow.
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