FKN Classics Double Feature! Dr Gregory Little - Moundbuilders | Nik Hayes - Sky Entities

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show, doctor Gregory Little.
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He is a researcher and author of over thirty books.
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His research has been featured on the National Geographic Channel,
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MSNBC Discovery and the History Channel.
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Doctor Little, welcome back. How you doing.
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Thank you? I'm doing well. Good to be here, Good
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to see you. And we'll see where this sky's Yeah,
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its something new, yest, the new stuff.
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I'm looking forward to this. From what you told me,
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I'm very excited today. I want to get your insights
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into the mysterious mounds scattered across the United States. Mainstream
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academy is oddly silent about the history surrounding these mysterious mounds,
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and the more researchers like yourself discover the older and
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more advanced seeming the civilizations that may have constructed these
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mounds appear to be, as well as the possibility of
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some sort of global cover up of giant human remains.
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Possibly we'll get into all this before we do, just
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remind the audience a little bit about yourself and your work.
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Well, I started in this field in nineteen eighty three,
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but Basically my profession is I work in the field
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of criminal psychology, which I have since the nineteen seventies.
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I have a master's degree in psychology and a doctorate
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in counseling. I've been a certified psychologist licensed in mental
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health counseling, done that for a long time, but starting
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in nineteen eighty three, I developed this other hobby which
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became a professional hobby and professional interest in the mounds.
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So I've been writing books and doing research in the
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field of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties.
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Have a lot of books out. I'm not really sure
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how many are in the field of archaeology. Maybe twelve
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or thirteen fourteen cover that, but I have about seventy
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books out all together, seventy four I think right now
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to be more exact. But I keep writing. I'm trying
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not to do as many shows and so on in
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archaeology anymore, leave that to others, trying to focus my
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attention in the research and just writing it up. So
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that's kind of the background of it. But I'm still
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very active, still writing loads of books in the field.
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Excellent now when it comes to the mounds, what are
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some of the most interesting locations in the United States
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for you.
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Well, there's a lot of them. I did an article
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years ago called the top ten mound sites in the
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United States. There are several that are I mean, some
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of these are incredible. People think of an Indian mound
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as basically a small conical hump. It looks kind of
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like an ice cream cone. That's what the word conical means.
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The top is curved, and they think that they would
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lay a body there and just put dirt over it.
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That's the idea. But what people don't understand is that
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there were probably a million of these in North America
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what is today the United States alone, probably a million.
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Some of them are very very old, as we'll get
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into here in a while. But but a lot of
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those conical mounds we're just talking about one kind now
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of conical mounds. A lot of those have very large,
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extremely well made stone chambers in them. In fact, just
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earlier today, I was going through some articles from the
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very early eighteen hundreds that had some photographs in them.
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Around eighteen thirty or forty, they had some of the
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very first photographs, and I saw this site in Ohio
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called the Turner site, which I've always been fascinated with it.
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It's impossible to describe. You just can't describe some of
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these sites. But there was one mound at this massive site, mound,
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one large burial mound that when they started excavating it,
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they found that the whole mound began with a stone
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wall built in a perfect circle. The stone wall was
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about seven feet high. It was made of stacked stones,
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very well made. Didn't have it didn't have any mortar
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in it, but it was stacked masonry. And then they
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did burials in it and then covered it over with dirt.
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But if you look at it from the outside, you
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have no idea that, my God, that thing is made
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of stone. So there are lots of these stone mounds
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in America. There were some extremely large mounds in Ohio.
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One is called the Miamisburg Mound. It is a conical
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mound that is seventy feet high, think about as tall
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as a seven story building. Its circumference is around four
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hundred feet. It is just enormous us about twenty feet
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down from the dirt. The outer level of it is
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dirt about twenty feet down. It is totally covered with
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stone that looks like roof shingles. These are stone slabs
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that look like roof shingles. How were they found, Well,
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they start after they removed an outer layer of stone
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that was on the top of it, and the locals
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did that so they could use the stone for construction.
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Then they began to excavate from the top and then
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they found the next layer twenty some feet down. Now
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what that means is is that these mounds were used
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over and over for burials. They would bury, then they
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would fill it over, then they'd bury again on top
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of it, fill it over, and they'd get bigger and bigger.
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So there's a lot of these giant mounds in the
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United States. But then there are also what are called
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platform mounds. Platform mounds are also known as truncated pyramids.
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They're usually rectangular or square mounts. Sometimes they have a
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base of several hundred feet, like a square base of
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two hundred three hundred feet, and they can go up
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to sixty to seventy feet high. And then on the
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top of those there were temples or other structures built
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on them, and those structures were used by the elite
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of the tribe. Either they were shaman ki for other
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people that were more important and more powerful in the society.
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There are loads of those. Mountville, Alabama, for example, which
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is one of the most important, one of the top
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five sites in the United States. It has twenty of
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these platform mounds arranged around this giant plaza and in
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the center is a platform mound, and all of those
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were used for astronomical alignments. So in that center platform
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now it was where the shaman lived. And the shaman
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would go out and they could look from the top
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of their mound across another mound in the distance, and
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they could time. They could see the sunrise and sunset
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at the equinox and at the solstice. But they also
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watched stars. They would see star alignments, and those star
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alignments were used for various rituals. So that's a type.
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There are many, many of those platform mounts. And finally,
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some of the more incredible things are the geometric earthworks.
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The United States of America, in Ohio has the most
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extensive and most bizarre geometric earthworks found anywhere in the world. Newark,
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Ohio has a golf course called Mountain Builder's Golf Course,
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and it was built Mount Builder's Golf Course was built
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inside of a giant circle circular earthwork. So what forms
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the circle is an outer wall of earth that it
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encloses twenty acres. It then has two lines of earth
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that go and attached to an octagon that encloses fifty acres.
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The walls of earth are about sixteen to twenty feet
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high that enclose these. I mean they're just perfectly aligned
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in the octagon. Again, it's a fifty acre octagon. It
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has truncated mounds or small truncated pyramids at each of
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the eight points of the octagon. Right outside of this
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there is another circular earthwork, and then there are walkways these.
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One of the walkways goes one and a half miles.
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Now when I say a walkway, what I'm talking about
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is a flat area. On both sides of the walkway,
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there are parallel lines of earth piled earth. So there
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are these linear mounds that in close the walkway that
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runs for one and a half miles, and then it
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reaches another circular earthwork that encloses thirty acres that has
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a deep ditch on the inside. So you've got an
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outer wall of earth that is fourteen feet high, and
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then you have a ditch seven to eight feet that's
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not even close to the rest of it. There's another walkway.
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These walkways are all one hundred and fifty feet wide,
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by the way, and then you have the parallel walls
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of earth following it for fifty six miles to Chillicothe, Ohio,
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where it goes to some identical sets of circles and
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octagons formed by walls of earth. It's almost impossible to describe.
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I mean, I've tried, but most people that listen to this,
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you know, it's just going to be foggy. They cannot
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understand it. So that's an example. There are loads of
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those around the country, although that is the most extensive one.
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So those are the three major types right now.
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As far as the purposes, you mentioned that they were
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built based on at times stellar alignments. What do you
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believe were some of the other purposes is besides rituals
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and ceremonial and possibly burial, what else were we looking at?
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Well, obviously burial mounds would compa o to the million
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that I believe were here. More than half of those
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would be burial mounds, although some of those were really extensive.
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The geometric earthworks, most of which were built Now, let
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me give you a timeframe. The geometric earthworks were built
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from roughly five six hundred BC up until around two
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to three hundred AD, so there's a timeframe there of
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about seven eight hundred years. Those are called Hopewell Era,
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and virtually all of those are used for some sort
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of rituals, the movements of people. The octagon that I
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described that was in newarkal that is in Newark, Ohio,
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that was used strangely to predict the movements of the moon.
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And the moon makes a cycle over eighteen point six
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one years, So this circle and octagon, along with the
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eight truncated mounds inside of it, was used to pinpoint
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the moon's movements over this eighteen point sixty one year cycle.
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So that means that it took that long for them
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to build this and align it correctly, and then it
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probably took another eighteen point sixty one years for somebody
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to sit there and watch the alignments to know that
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they were accurate, and by the way, it's still accurate today.
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That's how they know. That's what it was used for,
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and that was actually discovered in nineteen eighty four, not
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by archaeologists, by the way, archaeologists don't like didn't at
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that time, like the field that is called archaeo astronomy,
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which is the study of astronomical alignments at archaeology sites.
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So the platform mounds that I mentioned were also used
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for rituals, but they were used for shows of power.
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Some of these mounds that are the platform mounds that
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were built next to rivers that flooded were probably used
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also as refuges for the population during flooding. But other
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than that, you've got mounds where people lived. You have
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a lot of mounds that were used for burials, and
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you have the geometric earthworks that were used to move
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processions of people during rituals and to measure the movements
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of stars, the moon, and the sun. There were probably
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other purposes that we just don't even know of. So
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that's kind of a thumbnail of it.
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As far as the possible ages and how far back
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some of these mounds go. We were discussing before the
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show that you've made some pretty amazing discoveries about this.
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How far back.
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Are we looking when we're looking at some of the
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oldest mounds.
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All right, Well, first let me say these aren't my discoveries.
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I don't do any I have done carbon dating, but
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not of mounds. I did carbon dating and a lot
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of the work that we did in the Bahamas back
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up to twenty twelve, but I've never done any work
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on mounds. I've never dug into a mound, never collected
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artifacts from them. However, archaeology for a long time believe
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that mound building began around three thousand BC. That is
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what they said when I started in the field, roughly
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in nineteen eighty three. Well it's not wroughly, I started
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in eighty three. So they said at the time that
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mounds started in the northeast and up along the below
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the Great Lakes, in like Michigan and Minnesota, and that
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it all started in three thousand BC. That then changed,
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and then they said mound building began in Ohio around
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the same time, around three thousand BC with the Adena culture,
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which really didn't get active till one thousand BC. And
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then they started finding mounds in Louisiana, for example Poverty Point,
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which I know we'll discuss later because it's so important
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that data that one thousand, eight hundred BC. So for
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some time Poverty Point seemed to be kind of an
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outlier that it began mound building in the United States.
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They've long believed that there was some sort of a
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Mexican culture influence at Poverty Point, and by the way,
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Poverty Points in northeastern Louisiana close to the Mississippi River.
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But that's all changed. Not long after Poverty Point was discovered,
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they began doing carbon dating with some other sites in
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Louisiana and eventually they found a site called Monte Sano,
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which is on it's on the capitol grounds in Baton Rouge.
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It's been destroyed, but there were several mounds on the
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capitol of Baton Rouge and it dated to roughly five
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thousand BC or fifty two hundred BC. That's the basic
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date of the Monte Sano mounds. So that pretty much
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has been North America's earliest mound, along with like seven
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others in Louisiana and one in Mississippi that dated between
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the year three thousand BC to roughly five thousand BC. However,
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in two thousand and twelve a report came out of
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South America. The report in South America, which I've long
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had an interest in. South America wrote a book about
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South American archaeology, and they found that the oldest mound
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in South America, which was a burial mound dated to
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eight thousand, four hundred BC, ten four hundred years ago,
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which is absolutely bizarre. So I'll switch to South America
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for a minute before I get back to North America.
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So South America has always been kind of a blind
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spot in American archaeology. The mounds there have long been
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believed to and there are many. There's thousands and thousands
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of mounds in South America. They've long been believed to
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be made more recently than those in North America. But
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that's pretty much not true anymore. The Amazon. Back when
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I did this the book on South America, there were
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mounds along the Amazon, close to the Atlantic Ocean that
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they believed were about five thousand years old, but not
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dating back to ten thousand, which is what they found now.
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By the way, way that ten thousand, four hundred BC
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maun is not BC. The ten thousand, four hundred years
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ago is in Bolivia, the Bolivian Amazon, but there are
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loads of other mouths. So now we know this comes
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straight out of mainstream archaeology, and the National Geographic has
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really been the point people on the research in the Amazon.
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The Amazon in fourteen ninety two when Columbus reached the Bahamas.
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Columbus never set foot in North America, by the way,
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but he got into the Bahamas. And in fourteen ninety two,
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it is now known the Amazon alone had a population
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of ten million people. Ten million in the Amazon. The
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Amazon is not a natural rainforest. This is also known,
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and this is accepted. I'm not giving in the wild
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woo woo stuff. It's now accepted. The Amazon is a garden.
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It was made. It was once nothing but a giant
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bamboo forest. So whoever came in there, the population that
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came in there long ago came in got rid of
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most of the bamboo and began planting fruit trees and
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other vegetation and turned it into a garden. And there
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are now thousands of geometric earthworks, just like in North America, circles, squares, mounds,
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and those enclosed towns and cities. There are walkways just
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like I described in Newark, Ohio, the one that ran
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fifty six miles from Newark, Ohio to Chillicothe, Ohio. There
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are walkways like that in the Amazon that are now
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being found that have lines of earth, earth and walls
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on the side, just like in North America. So we
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know now that in fourteen ninety two about the lowest
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population in the Americas that archaeology and anthropology excepts now,
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is that there were fifty seven million people here when
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Columbus got here. It was not the vast uninhabited land
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that I learned when I was in school, when I
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of course I'm in my seventies, and when I was
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in school, I hate to say it, in the nineteen
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fifties and the early sixties, the little history we had
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about the Americas. Course history began with the discovery of
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the Americas. But we were told that about the only
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people here were a few Indians that were I hate
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the word, but they are called savages, and all the
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textbooks that we had that there were very few of them.
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They didn't own land. They just went to the west.
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A few of them stayed and fought, but that was it.
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That's what we learned, and it was a vast uninhabited land.
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Totally untrue. There were probably one hundred million people here,
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but the lowest estimate now is fifty seven million. So
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let's get down then to what has happened recently. So
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last year twenty twenty two in June eight geologists and
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anthropologists that joined together. There were a couple of archaeologists
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in this group of eight did research at what is
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called the Louisiana State University Campus Mounds. There are two
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burial mounds that are there, and I taught for LSU
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at their campus at Shreveport for about five years. The
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LSU campus mounds are well known for a number of reasons.
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One of them is because some people have died there
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because drunken students would drive over them in jeeps and
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kill people. But anyway, those mounds were redated and they
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published an article in the American Journal of Science in
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June of two thousand twenty two, So it was just
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it was less than one year ago. And in that
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article they have redated the two campus mounds and they
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now know that the earliest mound there dates to the
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year nine thousand, three hundred BC. It was started in
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ninety three hundred BC. Now to some people that may
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not sound amazing, but think of this. People think that
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pyramids and mound building begin in Egypt. That is totally untrue.
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Mound building in e Egypt predated the pyramids and in
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all Egyptian textbooks. In Egyptology, it is said that mound
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building was the prototype of Egyptian pyramids. The oldest known
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mound in Egypt, back when I was some years ago,
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was dated to about thirty two hundred BC. Now, the
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oldest mound known in all of Egypt dates to about
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the year five thousand BC, and that's in Avedos, that's it.
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So it is roughly almost five thousand years more recent
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than the mounds here. The oldest mounds in Turkey, Turkey,
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southeastern Turkey where probably civilization now began, at least the
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civilization that we call civilization more modern one. It dates
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also to about the year five thousand BC, and that's
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actually not too far from the site of goebec le
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Tepe in southeastern Turkey, which quebec le Tepe does date
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to nine thousand BC. But it's not a mound. Gobecley
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Tepe is a stone temple that's actually sunk into the earth. Now,
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the word tepe means hill, so it's at the top
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of a hill, but it is a sunken stone temple.
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So things are getting very very strange now. Now the
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fact that the oldest mound is here, that will probably
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change I suspect at some point. But I have searched
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and searched. I cannot find any mounds in the world
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that predate the ones now at Louisiana State University in
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Baton Rouge. I know, it's odd. I mean, for example, Ukraine.
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Ukraine has fifty thousand known burial mounds. Most of those
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go to the Bronze Age. The oldest ones that I
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can find in Siberia, which is where they say the
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culture came from. All mainstream archaeology says that while all
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the people in the Americas came through Siberia, they may
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have come from other areas, but they all walked through Siberia,
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and they came across from Alaska in the Bering Straits.
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They came into the Americas and then populated. The dates
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of that have bounced around, and those dates have changed.
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But things are actually a lot different from what most
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people have learned in school. Things are changing quickly, and
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archaeologists don't even agree, and their disagreements are actually kind
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of wild when.
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Well, when it comes to the possibilities of the oldest
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civilizations that may have originated these mounds, that may have been.
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The first builders.
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We know, like you said, there has been plenty of
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civilizations here before Christopher Columbus. Do you think that there
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was some possible global maritime culture that had this disadvanced
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construction abilities that were able to circumnavigate the globe and
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build these advanced structures.
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Well, I've said that for decades. When I say decades,
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the first book that came out with that in it
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was nineteen nineteen ninety seven, I believe, and then again
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in nineteen ninety nine and the two thousand and one
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of course Atlantis, which is the a word it pops
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in there. I do believe, along with Graham Hancock and
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Robert Schock and Andrew Collins and others, that there was
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a maritime culture, and I think a lot of people
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knew about it. I think that's what Plato was describing
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when he talked about Atlantis. Edgar Casey described the same thing.
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Both Casey and Plato described Atlantis in pretty much the
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same way, and their descriptions if you really read it,
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it's talking about a massive island empire that was a
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maritime culture. Plato said that Atlantis was destroyed and roughly
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ninety six hundred BC, which is bizarre because that's dated right,
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at when the first mounds were built in the United
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States in Louisiana. It dates to that. Now, what I
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didn't tell you about the mount in Louisiana. This is
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where it gets weird. It was used that ninety six
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hundred BC mound in Louisiana or ninety four hundred BC
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was used for a couple thousand years as a burial mound,
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so they made it bigger and bigger and bigger, putting
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more burials. So then they stopped for four thousand years
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and just disappeared, and then started using it again around
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the year four thousand BC, and then loads of them
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appeared down there in four thousand BC. So something happened
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around nine four hundred and ninety six hundred BC. Same
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thing at gobecley Tepe in Turkey, something happened. There were
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burials mounds dated to that. At go bec Le Tepe,
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there was this underground temple was buried at the time,
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there was a cataclysm of some kind that occurred, and
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then they the civilization just kind of disappeared and reappeared
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again around the year four thousand BC. So it took
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several thousand years for it to build back up. But
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the idea that I had pretty much dovetails with Graham Hancock's.
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And if you read if you read Graham Hancock's book
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America before, and you read it carefully and you get
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to the end of the book, Graham Hancock actually references
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and discusses the work that Andrew Collins and I did
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in several previous books. We believe that what Atlantis was,
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and it's just we don't have a better term for it.
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Atlantis is the term that Plato used. It is a
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dirty word in archaeology, but I don't know what else
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to call it. So Atlantis was a maritime culture and
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it didn't have spaceships. The word technology. It's said that
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that word ever came into it, because when you say
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they had advanced technology, what I mean and what Hancock
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means when he says advanced technology, he means they weren't
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stone age people. And Hancock has said over and over
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that they had kind of the same maritime culture as
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maybe sixteen hundred and seventeen hundreds maritime culture had. I mean,
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the Phoenicians in three thousand BC could sail all over
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the Mediterranean, and they went up and down the coast
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of Africa. They made it to the Canary Islands in
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the Atlantic Ocean, and that is basically what the kind
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of culture that I think it was. I believe there
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was a maritime culture that existed before the end of
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the Last Ice Age. Another piece of this people think that, well,
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they couldn't have possibly gone across the oceans, think about
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bad weather and all that. During the Last Ice Age,
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when the sea levels were much much lower and the
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atmosphere in the north was much much colder, the seas
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were much calmer, the weather was much calmer, and it
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was a lot easier to sail. We know that people
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got to I had to move to the Pacific now
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and the South Pacific. People got to the Australia, Australia
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Islands and New Zealand, Micronesia and Melanesia probably around one
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hundred thousand BC. We know now that some of those
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people went from there to South America. How do we
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know that from genetics in South America? There are tribes
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in South America. This is done by mainstream geneticists and anthropologists.
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Tribes in South America that are a direct genetic link
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to tribes in New Zealand and indigenous cultures in Australia
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and a lot of the other islands. There's only one
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way they could have gotten here. Now, all you would
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have had to do then was get on a raft
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and take about a thirty day just sitting a raft
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for thirty days, and you would go from Australia and
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wind up along the coast of Chile. And these people
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had the ability to live off the ocean, collect rainwater
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or whatever. So there is other research in South America
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that's been around a long time. They know that it
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was inhabited at least by fifty thousand BC. There are
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several sites in South America, including one in Mexico at
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date to two one hundred and fifty thousand years ago.
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The one in Mexico, the research was it's very close
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to Mexico City. The research was actually done by the
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US Geological Survey and they actually published the results. But
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mainstream archaeology hates that and of course they don't believe
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any of it. They say, oh, this research is flawed.
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So a couple of years ago, about three years ago,
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research was done in California where before this was done,
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Louis B. Leakey had found that in this area in California,
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near San Diego. There was evidence that people had inhabited
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it two hundred thousand years ago in California. So three
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years ago another study came out in a mainstream archaeology
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journal saying that it's pretty clear that there were people
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in this area not too far from San Diego one
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hundred and thirty three thousand years ago. Now they didn't
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go any layers deeper. When they found this one hundred
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and thirty three thousand year old layer, they pretty much stopped.
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So there may be more below it. Of course, it's
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all controversial in mainstream archaeology, but the evidence is getting
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more and more clear. So Plato said that if you
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got out into the true Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, through
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the Straits of Gibraltar, which were called the Pillars of Hercules,
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he said, you could hop from island to island until
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you reached the opposite continent and somewhere there, somewhere, He
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said that Atlantis had had a main island. People all
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the time look for this tiny little circular island, you know,
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call it Atlantis. Well that what they're looking for is
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the center city of Atlantis, which Plato said it was
478
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.000
a It was built on the southern end of an
479
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.920
island that was roughly three hundred and fifty miles long
480
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and two hundred and forty miles wide, which, of course
481
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.880
it couldn't have been the island of Theira or Santorini,
482
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.279
which is in the Mediterranean, which mainstream market Aloe said, oh,
483
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.720
that must be Atlantis, because it's a circle, which is ridiculous,
484
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.599
and it blew up in six hundred or so four
485
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.359
hundred and so BC, and then Plato used that as
486
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.279
his idea for Atlantis. But Plato said that it was
487
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on this giant island and that it was this circular
488
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:41.200
formation that was on the southern end of the island,
489
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.160
and it was called a circular formation because they made
490
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.160
circuit a set of circular canals, and then there was
491
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.440
a six mile river that went to the ocean on
492
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.759
the southern end of the island. He also said it
493
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.000
had two growing seasons and so on, and the only
494
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.519
area that really fits that at that time frame, the
495
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.000
only area you could zero in and say, well, two
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00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.720
growing seasons in ten thousand BC during the Ice Age,
497
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.639
there's no way it could be in the Mediterranean. They
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00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.000
didn't have two growing seasons. That it was not a
499
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:16.000
temperate area. It wasn't iced over. People have said, oh,
500
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.599
it might be England or Doggarland. No, that was covered
501
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:22.119
in ice sheets in ten thousand BC. So it had
502
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.159
to be like in the Caribbean or in the Atlantic Ocean.
503
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.639
There there's no other place. Cuba is where Andrew Collins
504
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.039
has asserted where it probably was. Agar Casey didn't say
505
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.360
where the center city was in his readings, but Egar
506
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.480
Casey said that there were people from Atlantis that lived
507
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.360
up and down the eastern coast of what was then
508
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.400
what now is the United States. But he said that
509
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.320
a lot of it went under because the sea levels
510
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.320
rose three to four hundred feet and it covered miles
511
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.239
and miles and that's why we we can't find many
512
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.119
remnants of it. It's all underwater. Back then, where does
513
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.960
a maritime culture live? Where do they put their seaports?
514
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.280
Right along the ocean? Yeah, that's where it is. They
515
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.360
didn't put it in the middle. You know, archaeologists as well,
516
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.199
we can't find any of this. You know, there's an archaeologist,
517
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:23.199
a well known skeptic that is in Connecticut who I know,
518
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.719
and we've interacted some. We've had a lot of email
519
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:31.039
exchanges over the years, and he goes out in Connecticut
520
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:33.360
and says, I don't see any evidence of Atlanta's here. No,
521
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.840
there's not. Because the evidence of Atlantis if you go
522
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.840
to the coast and you look down three to four
523
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.239
hundred feet and maybe go a little further south away
524
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.000
from where the ice sheets were, because he's up where
525
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.559
the ice sheets were, go down to the Florida coast
526
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.159
or maybe north or South Carolina. I suspect three to
527
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.880
hundred three or four hundred feet on the shelf, the
528
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:58.119
continental shelf, you will find something. But of course it's
529
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.159
all under ten thousand years of Selton sand and so on.
530
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.920
Yeah.
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Now, so you've mentioned Edgar Casey. Speaking of him, he
532
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.480
gave a large amount of readings between nineteen twenty five
533
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.360
and nineteen forty four that actually provided information about the
534
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.039
mound builders. Could you tell us a little bit about
535
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.119
some of the information that he came out with.
536
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.440
Sure, well, Casey said in the nineteen twenties, this is
537
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.800
kind of weird. Even when I did the interview with
538
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:33.039
his grandson, Edgar Evans Casey, who I asked his grandson
539
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.599
are actually one of his grandson? I asked his son
540
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.719
his grandson was actually the head of the Casey organization
541
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.960
for some years, but his actual old his youngest son.
542
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.239
His name was Edgar Evans Casey. And I interviewed Edgar
543
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:55.000
Evans in when he was ninety three, and Edgar Evans
544
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.920
said that, yeah, we used to talk about mounds a
545
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:02.159
lot because they had lived in Selma, Alabama for a while,
546
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.960
where there were a lot of mounds. They lived in
547
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.679
Kentucky where there are a lot of mounds, and they
548
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.280
moved around in the South where loads and loads of
549
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.599
mounds were. He said, yeah, we used to talk about him.
550
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.400
And he said, well, he said, archaeology has always said
551
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.039
that mound building began in the north. Again, that's what
552
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.920
the nineteen eighties, that's what they said. Oh A, mounds
553
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.920
always started up in the northeast, and then they started
554
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.920
they moved down to Ohio, and then eventually it came
555
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.559
down to the south. And I remember Edgar Evans, it
556
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.519
was very very interesting the way he said it. He said, well,
557
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.079
Dad always said that mound building began in the south
558
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.280
and went north. And he said, I know that that's
559
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.079
not what anybody believes. That that's what Dad said, and
560
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:55.599
that's what's in the Casey Readings. Casey said that mound
561
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:03.119
building began in the Americas the Atlanteans who were already
562
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.159
here and who migrated here after the destruction of Atlantis,
563
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.719
and they were also people that came from the South Pacific.
564
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:18.719
Casey talked about migrations from the South Pacific that occurred
565
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:24.639
starting in fifty thousand BC, which is interesting since that's
566
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.840
what the geneticists now tell us people came, and he
567
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.920
said that around nineteen thirty six or so in his
568
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.199
readings that lots of people came here from the South
569
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:40.719
Pacific in fifty thousand and he said the Atlanteans were
570
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.519
already here, but in ten thousand BC, before the final
571
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.639
destruction of Atlantis, loads of them went to the northeast
572
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.239
and they became the Iroquois. Casey was very specific, saying
573
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:01.199
that the Atlanteans were the red races the term he used.
574
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.039
They were the Native Americans, and he said the people
575
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.960
that lived in South America, the cultures there, the indigenous
576
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:17.440
people and those in the Southwest, came from the indigenous
577
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:24.119
peoples in the South Pacific, and some came from the
578
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.679
area across Beringia. He actually said that a lot of
579
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.760
them came from Siberia, and he said that the mounds
580
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:42.760
were replicas of their experiences in Atlantis, and Limeria was
581
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.599
the term or MoU was the term that he applied
582
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:51.360
to the South Pacific islands, and he said that Limiria
583
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:56.280
also included a part of the southwestern United States and
584
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.360
bits of California. Now again, all this was before we
585
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.960
knew any of these weird dates that have started coming
586
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.119
out in these areas. He said they were mainly the Limyrians,
587
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.519
and back then, of course, colors and races were often used,
588
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:15.559
and he said that they were basically the brown race.
589
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.400
They were a brown race, and the Native Americans were
590
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.199
a red race. But the red race were the Atlanteans.
591
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.599
The brown race were the Limyrians, and they mixed together.
592
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:35.639
They began to intermarry, and they mixed together and eventually
593
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.239
became much more homogeneous. But they began, but the mounds
594
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.920
were began as replicas of their experiences and what they
595
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:50.719
had built in the parts of Limyria and Atlantis which
596
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:58.000
were destroyed during the cataclysms that occurred during three time periods.
597
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:03.840
He gave three very specif dates where destructions occurred. The
598
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:08.480
earliest of those dates was fifty thousand BC, which now
599
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:13.360
we know there were some very bad disturbances around the
600
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:18.000
world around fifty thousand BC. The second destruction, he said,
601
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:21.079
was around twenty eight thousand BC, but that was more
602
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:26.679
localized and that actually occurred mainly in the Caribbean. And
603
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.880
the third destruction was pretty much worldwide, and that was
604
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.559
caused by an inundation of water, and that occurred in
605
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.840
ten thousand BC. So that was Casey's timeline for all this.
606
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.800
Now I want to go back to Louisiana for a
607
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.920
bit and talk about Poverty Point. I went visit Poverty Point,
608
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.760
and I went visit the mounds at LSU and Poverty
609
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.639
Point is one of the most impressive locations as far
610
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.199
as the construction.
611
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.119
Tell us a little bit about what you.
612
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.559
Learned about this to age and some of the more
613
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.000
inch interesting aspects about this location.
614
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:08.599
Well, Poverty Point, according to mainstream archaeology, began around the
615
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:15.440
year eighteen hundred to seventeen hundred BC, so that would
616
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.000
be thirty eight to thirty seven hundred years ago. That's
617
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.400
mainstream arching. That's what you'll see if you go to
618
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.679
Wikipedia or if you go to other mainstream articles. That's
619
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.400
what you'll see. There are some archaeologists, including one who
620
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.199
I talked with at length, who gave me an unpublished paper.
621
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.920
They could not get it published. Wherein they had dated
622
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.840
the large bird effigy there, which I haven't described yet
623
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:47.719
at Poverty Point to thirty eight hundred BC, and he
624
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.480
said that date was so far out they would not
625
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:56.119
publish those results. So okay. So Poverty Point, according to
626
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.880
the mainstream, began around the year eighteen hundred seventeen hundred BC.
627
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.800
Where it came from, they don't know, although there is
628
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.320
a very strong suspect that it came from the ole
629
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:17.519
Mech culture in the Yucatan Peninsula part of Mexico. The
630
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.760
ol met culture built structures very similar to the way
631
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.800
Poverty Point was made. There's also other mound sites in
632
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.599
North America that are believed to have a Mexican influence.
633
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.280
Most of them are in Georgia and in Florida. For example,
634
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.000
the Crystal River site in Florida is believed to have
635
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.559
what they would call a Mexican cultural influence. They don't
636
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.639
like to narrow it down.
637
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.519
So let me ask you, based on some of the
638
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.360
historical information that's presented about Poverty point. It says that
639
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.440
the Edena was the primary tribe there. Is that not
640
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:54.599
something you subscribe to.
641
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.800
No, I hadn't. No, No, it dates to the Adena era.
642
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:00.880
Mm hmm uh.
643
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.440
But the Adena era, the let me think about the
644
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:10.280
the most the southernmost Adena mound that I'm aware of
645
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.880
would probably be in Uh. I don't know of any
646
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:21.360
Adena era mounds in Louisiana, although they're the mounds in
647
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:25.000
Louisiana are older than any Adena mounds. But the oldest,
648
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.400
the southernmost Adena mound as far as I know of,
649
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:34.800
would be in maybe parts of northern Alabama. But I'm
650
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.199
not really I'm not really certain about that. There are
651
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:41.000
some in Tennessee. Uh, but that's about as far south
652
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.760
as the Adena. God. The Adena were really centered in
653
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:48.559
Ohio and Kentucky. Uh. There were Adena mounds in Pennsylvania,
654
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:49.280
for example.
655
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:50.159
Uh.
656
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.760
The largest Adena mound was on the Ohio River near Pittsburgh.
657
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.480
But anyway, No, I wouldn't say the Adena were Poverty Point.
658
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.079
Poverty Point is kind of an outlier. It seems to
659
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.039
have come from nowhere, and initially they believe it just
660
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.079
kind of sprung up from nowhere, and it is bizarre
661
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:16.199
it's very difficult to describe what the Poverty Point Mound
662
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.719
is like. It's almost as hard as trying to describe
663
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:24.920
what the site in Newark, Ohio was like, because Poverty
664
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:33.000
Point has geometric earthworks, and the geometric earthworks are comprised
665
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:41.199
of six concentric sea shaped terraces, elevated terraces. And when
666
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.639
I say they're sea shaped, they literally are like half
667
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:51.159
an oval, and there's six of them. They're all about
668
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.199
eighty feet wide there. Now they believe they were about
669
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.599
eight feet tall originally, so they would be an eight
670
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:04.039
foot terraces eighty feet wide. Then you would have one
671
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.719
hundred and fifty feet of a depressed area, and then
672
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.400
you would have another terrace again about eight feet tall
673
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.599
and eighty feet wide, then another one hundred and fifty
674
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.519
feet of a depressed area, and the same thing. So
675
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:25.840
you had sticks of these terraces. Now, if you combined
676
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:30.400
the length of all six of these sea shaped terraces,
677
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.880
they would run for eight miles. Eight miles. I mean,
678
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:43.039
it's incredible. It's been calculated. It was twenty million baskets
679
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.400
of dirt it took to build those on top of
680
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.239
those terraces. Again, they're about eighty feet wide. On top
681
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:57.960
of the terraces. There were circular buildings built where people
682
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:04.440
lived apparently, and they found those circular buildings through postholes.
683
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.960
And there was a thirty five acre plaza area, so
684
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.800
the sea kind of wrapped partly around this thirty acre
685
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:19.719
thirty five acre plaza area. Within the plaza area, there
686
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:25.199
are walkways that cut through these sea shaped embankments, and
687
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.320
there were giant posts that were stuck in the ground
688
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:36.960
that were used for alignments. Now the only mainstream accepted alignments.
689
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.119
Their astronomical alignments are to the equinoxes, the rising and
690
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.880
setting of the sun at the equinoxes, and I would
691
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:51.760
suspect they would also accept that there are alignments to
692
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.719
the solstices too, but chances are there are probably alignments
693
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.599
to various stars. But that's not the most impress part
694
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:06.199
of poverty point. The sea shaped embankments are also linked
695
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:10.960
to what are five large mounds, the largest of which
696
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:17.519
is an enormous effigy of a bird. It is an
697
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.800
eagle effigy mound. It is believed to represent an eagle
698
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.039
with its wings outspread or spread out, laying on its back.
699
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.719
That's what it's believed to represent from the tip of
700
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:38.480
the tail to the top of the head. This mound
701
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.320
is seven hundred and twenty feet long from the wing
702
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.679
tip to wing tip. It is six hundred and forty
703
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:54.159
feet wide, and at the tallest point it's almost seventy
704
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.039
two feet tall, the height of a seven story building.
705
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.079
So it is and enormous mound. They don't know if
706
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.920
anything was ever built on it. Back in the eighties.
707
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.280
When I first went to it, it was covered with
708
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.599
trees and vegetation, very difficult to see, and I believe
709
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:18.159
it was two thousand and twelve or so they wound
710
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.679
up cutting off all the trees and now sow it's
711
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:25.199
totally exposed, and actually did that to stop erosion. And
712
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:30.039
it was during that process when they were cutting down
713
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.000
the trees that they took some more samples core samples
714
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.920
from the mound, and that's when they carbon dated some
715
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.880
of the samples and they got the date from the mound,
716
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:45.559
the thirty eight hundred BC date, which matches another site
717
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.800
that is about two miles south of Poverty Point. Because
718
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.960
this guy's very confusing, there's a site two miles south
719
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.840
that was on what is called the Jackson Farm and
720
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.880
it's called the Lower Jackson Mound. And the only reason
721
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.400
the the Lower Jackson Mound still exists is because the
722
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.920
Jackson family put a historic cemetery on the top of it.
723
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.039
That's where their family cemetery is, so it wasn't destroyed
724
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.440
and it dates to thirty eight hundred PC. And so
725
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.280
it's interesting that the cores that were taken from this
726
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.119
giant mound at Poverty Point went to thirty eight hundred BC.
727
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.320
But archaeologists have always said, no, no, this can't date to that.
728
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.239
The rest of this site we know dates to about
729
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.679
eighteen hundred BC. So they never published the article, though
730
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.159
I have a pre print copy of it that says
731
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.719
thirty eight hundred BC. There's also another site that was
732
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.239
right in the middle of the Jackson farm, which is
733
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:46.000
called the it's called the Jackson site. So you have
734
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.960
the Lower Jackson site and you have the Jackson site,
735
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.360
and it had a C shaped earthwork and it was
736
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.679
simply obliterated. I was obliterated by Clarence Bloomfield Moore, who
737
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:01.199
also excavated the Poverty Point mata. Most people don't know this.
738
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:06.400
In the very early nineteen hundreds, Clarence bloom Fort Bloomfield
739
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:11.239
More excavated down about fifteen to twenty feet into the
740
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:15.760
giant bird effigy mound at Poverty Point gave up there
741
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.599
was just too big, but he accumulated tens of thousands
742
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:25.239
of the artifacts there from just laying all around, and
743
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.559
if you go into the museum there you see all
744
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:32.079
these bizarre artifacts recovered there. Most people don't know over
745
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:39.320
two million artifacts were picked up around the Poverty Point site.
746
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.440
Two million and they haven't even really dug down much
747
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:46.599
there and hasn't really been excavated that much. It was
748
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.719
farmed for over one hundred and fifty years, so a
749
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:53.039
lot of these terraces that were plowed over and over,
750
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.000
they've reduced from what they were, the eight feet in
751
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.599
height down quite a bit. So Poverty Point was for
752
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.119
a long time considered the first mound site in America.
753
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.719
It just seemed to come from nowhere. But it's still
754
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.679
an anomaly. This is all very, very strange, and it's
755
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.199
just been made more strange because all these old mounds
756
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.960
are in Louisiana, and that doesn't make a lot of
757
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:26.000
sense archaeologically. Although probably a lot of these very early
758
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:30.519
cultures came up from South and Central America. That's the
759
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.079
only thing that makes sense here.
760
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.159
Could it be possible that these ancient cultures might have
761
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.480
been of taller stature than your average human now seven
762
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:47.320
to eight maybe taller they were considered giants possibly.
763
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.280
Well, as you well know, I've done a lot of
764
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.679
the background research in that. Andrew and Collins and I
765
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.480
published a couple of books. One was called Path of Souls.
766
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.679
Also the book Denisovan Origins and Origins of the Gods.
767
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.280
We discussed this. One of the things that we did
768
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.519
was read the two Smithsonian reports, one of which was
769
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.760
in eighteen ninety four, and I believe the other one
770
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.880
was eighteen eighteen eighty seven, where the Smithsonian did their
771
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:21.639
mound survey project. The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds,
772
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.320
it's believed to be three thousand mounds, trying to find
773
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.239
out the origin of the mound builders. That's why they
774
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:34.840
did this project. And in their studies and in their reports,
775
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:43.320
the Smithsonian reported finding seventeen large skeletons between seven feet
776
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.559
to the tallest one was seven feet eight inches in height.
777
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:53.079
All of that is reported in the mainstream archaeological publications
778
00:53:53.599 --> 00:54:00.119
by the Smithsonian's Bureau of Ethnology. Since that time, the
779
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:06.199
Smithsonian and other archaeologists publishing for the hay Foundation, for
780
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:14.760
the Carnegie Institute for Harvard University, and many other mainstream publications.
781
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.800
There have been about twenty to thirty archaeological publications in
782
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:24.559
those various journals other than the Smithsonians, where they've found
783
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:31.159
another fifteen to twenty very large skeletons anywhere from six
784
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:36.199
feet seven inches in height to seven seven and a
785
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.719
half feet tall. These are all mainstream reports, but that's
786
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.400
as big as it gets in mainstream archaeology. There are
787
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:49.639
hundreds to a couple thousand newspaper articles that, of course
788
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:54.400
claim that skeletons that were ten feet in length, twelve
789
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.280
feet even a few that are larger than that. There
790
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.199
are a number of like I said, a number of
791
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.719
newspaper are articles that say that. Andrew Collins and I
792
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.840
tried to run down a lot of those reports, since
793
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:11.159
a lot of those talked about the mainstream archaeological publications.
794
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:14.519
What we really found for most of those that we
795
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.280
were able to run to the final source was this
796
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:23.920
that the newspaper reporters who wrote those articles never talked
797
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.719
to the actual excavators or the archaeologists. What they did
798
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:33.280
were talked to locals who had witnessed some of the excavations,
799
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.039
or they talked to a few of the locals who
800
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:39.679
had actually helped dig out the remains. Because when the
801
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:44.480
archaeologists came in, there was a guy named Clarence Bloomfield
802
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:51.320
Moore who dug into over three thousand mounds himself, more
803
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:58.079
than the Smithsonian did during its entire mound building project.
804
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.639
This one guy did. His goal was to dig into
805
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.280
every single mound along the rivers in the entire southeast
806
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:11.239
and he spent thirty years doing it, and he also
807
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:16.360
looked for giant skeletons. But anyway, we believe that what
808
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.960
happened was that at the sites where they found the
809
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:24.239
seven footers, a lot of the people who they hired
810
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:28.440
for a dollar a day. In most cases, that was
811
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.719
the feat. It was a dollar a day for somebody
812
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.079
that would dig. They simply exaggerated. That's what we believe this. Oh,
813
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.519
they were ten feet, but when you read the actual
814
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:44.400
archaeological reports reports, it might say seven feet two inches,
815
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:49.119
seven feet eight inches. There's a lot of newspaper articles,
816
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.599
for example, one in Pennsylvania. We actually went to the
817
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:56.360
place where this one was in Athens, Pennsylvania, where supposedly
818
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.639
a ten foot skeleton was found, and it's said that
819
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:05.079
some men this was the actual report, some men digging
820
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:10.360
a seller in Athens dug a ten foot skeleton out.
821
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:17.599
That's the report. So some men digging a seller somewhere
822
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.519
in Athens, and it's just not possible to run it down.
823
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:24.920
We could find nothing, but there's there's a couple thousand
824
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.519
of those newspaper reports. So what actually came of our
825
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:34.039
research is this A mainstream archaeologist whom I respect quite
826
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.599
a bit, who's a skeptic, had read our books and
827
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:44.360
he actually read our statistical evaluation of these very big skeletons,
828
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.239
virtually all of which were removed from a Dina mounds,
829
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:55.480
these conical burial mounds that go back to about five
830
00:57:55.639 --> 00:58:00.480
hundred to a thousand BC, so they're pretty old. All
831
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:05.880
of these giant skeletons, with almost no exceptions that were
832
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:10.800
reported by mainstream archeologists, came from the Edena era mounds,
833
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.679
and I want to describe the tombs in a minute,
834
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.480
but we did a statistical analysis that showed that there
835
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.239
were way, way, way too many of these giant skeletons
836
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.760
out of these adena mounds to account for the population.
837
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.320
It's just there were too many of them. And so
838
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:37.800
he dubbed that the Edena elite hypothesis, with the idea
839
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:46.320
being that the Edena population were primarily comprised of exceedingly
840
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.800
tall people. Their rulers were these tall people, which then
841
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.679
Andrew Collins and I took that, and that's where our
842
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:59.079
book Denisovan Origins came from. That We believe that a
843
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:07.519
population called the Denisovans came here around eleven to fifteen
844
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:14.159
thousand BC, and that population were originally called the Solutreans
845
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.519
and they were in France and Portugal and Spain around
846
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:25.840
twenty thousand BC. And they made implements very much like
847
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.840
America's Clovis culture did. It gets very complicated, and even
848
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.920
if the tie in the time we have left, there's
849
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.440
no way to go through all that. But there's no
850
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.079
doubt there were a lot of seven footers here. But
851
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.199
in these Okay, so in these tombs, people think that, oh,
852
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.199
you know, they just stuck the body in and maybe
853
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.239
they covered it with something and then they put a
854
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:52.320
lot of dirt on it. No, they built these very
855
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.800
elaborate tombs. First, the tombs were either made from logs,
856
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:03.079
giant logs, and then they were roofed over, or they
857
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:08.840
were made from stone, and they would stack the stone beautifully.
858
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.239
It looked like good masonry work, dry masonry work. And
859
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:17.159
they would then cover these tombs with giant slabs of
860
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:20.840
stone and it kept them quite dry. And then they
861
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:26.679
would build enormous mounds, earthen mounds on top of these,
862
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.639
so you would never know that there's a tomb in
863
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.079
there at the base of it. And in some of
864
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.880
these it took a great deal of work. For example,
865
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.320
some of these were like fifty sixty feet they had
866
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.920
to dig down, dig a tunnel from the top fifty
867
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.880
to sixty feet down before they would hit these stone tombs. So,
868
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:51.639
I mean, it's an amazing culture, unappreciated by most Americans.
869
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.960
Unknown lots of reasons for that, one of which I
870
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.920
think we have sort of a cultural shame for destroy
871
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:06.239
this culture. There is no doubt that when America was discovered,
872
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:08.880
which is kind of funny to put it that way,
873
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:12.039
but that actually is what was in our textbooks when
874
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.360
I went to school. America was discovered in fourteen ninety two,
875
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.800
when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, which is kind of funny,
876
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.599
But at that time there were lots and lots of
877
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:26.039
people here with a very sophisticated culture.
878
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.360
Now, where do you think future discovery should go with this?
879
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.960
Do you think they should be excavated or do you
880
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.880
think they should be left and protected? Where do you
881
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.280
think we should go with future exploration of these mounds?
882
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.440
Well, for a lot of these sites, we have destroyed
883
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.239
so much. I would like I would love to see
884
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.000
America's mounds, particularly the geometric earthworks. I'd love to see
885
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:55.920
them all turned into parks that are beautifully maintained. There
886
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.039
are some that are that way, but they're still unknown
887
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.320
by the population. People go to Egypt, I mean, Egypt
888
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.159
has roughly one hundred and eight pyramids. That's it. It's true.
889
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.400
The Great Pyramid is amazing. It's true. The Temple of
890
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:13.679
Abidotes is amazing. All this the you know, it's amazing stuff.
891
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:21.000
I've been there. But if Kahokia, Illinois, where Monks Mound is,
892
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:24.519
Monk's Mound is one hundred feet tall, ten story building tall.
893
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.840
Its base of Monks Mound covers fourteen acres. Its base
894
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:35.039
is one acre larger than the Great Pyramid at Giza.
895
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:40.400
It's bigger, and Kahokia had one hundred and twenty mounds
896
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:44.679
one hundred and twenty. All of Egypt had one hundred
897
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:48.239
and roughly one hundred and eight pyramids. There's more mounds
898
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:53.480
of Kahokia than there Moundville, Alabama is just incredible. So
899
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:56.400
I would love to see all these sites turned into
900
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.599
parks and preserved, but it just won't happen. There's just
901
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.280
not much for it. We do not have much of
902
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:07.880
an appreciation for it. As far as more excavations go,
903
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.840
it doesn't matter what I think, because the laws are
904
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.599
pretty strict in this. We're gonna We're not gonna dig
905
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.760
into any more burial mounds. It's just not going to
906
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.199
be done. The only archaeological work that's done is when
907
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.199
we're building the road and they find they have to
908
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.480
look in the area first. It's called public archaeology. You
909
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.719
go win cultural. You have to do a cultural evaluation
910
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.199
to make sure this road isn't going to destroy anything,
911
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.280
So they look at they do a surface evaluation. It's
912
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.599
sometimes a surface excavation down to make sure when new
913
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.599
buildings are built, but mounds are being destroyed all the time,
914
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:45.440
even today, So I don't see a great deal of
915
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.719
future in North America. I think most of what's going
916
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:53.559
to occur here is genetic research, and the genetic research
917
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:57.440
is going to get more and more sophisticated. Right now
918
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.840
is so complicated that very very few people can truly
919
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.920
understand what the genetics are pointing to. Now, what the
920
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:07.559
genetics is telling us is that there were multiple groups
921
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:11.440
of people that came into the Americas, and the genetics
922
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.280
are very clear. The first ones were probably around fifty
923
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:19.079
thousand BC. Even mainstream archaeology today agrees that there were
924
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.320
people here, probably far before that, but the remnants of
925
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.480
them are gone, so there's no genetic trace of them anymore.
926
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.320
There is no genetic trace. I mean, even the oldest
927
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:33.079
burial known in the world, do you have any idea
928
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.800
how far it goes back? The oldest burial known in
929
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:37.440
the world.
930
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:38.519
How far is that?
931
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:45.360
It's only forty seven thousand BC. That's it, because when
932
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.400
you bury remains, they don't generally, if you're not very
933
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.840
very careful, they degrade. And that's in Africa, by the way,
934
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.280
that's the oldest one that is known. I better double
935
01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:01.360
check I'm sorry, seventy eight thousand. So let me say
936
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:06.239
that again. The oldest burial known in the world goes
937
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:09.960
back to seventy eight thousand years ago and it's in Africa,
938
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.440
and that it's an intentional burial where a human being
939
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.039
in this case it was a child, was put into
940
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:20.519
a grave and covered and then carefully, you know, they
941
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.719
carefully marked it and so on. But that's it, and
942
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.280
it's because human remains just don't last very long. In
943
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.760
the Americas. The oldest we know again now or around
944
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:35.239
ten thousand BC, but it's very very rare. Most most
945
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:38.360
human the oldest remains that I know of that they
946
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:42.159
found actually are in the Yucatan and that goes back
947
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.840
to eleven thousand years ago. Those were found in the
948
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.880
Yucatan about eleven thousand years ago. So what do we do.
949
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:55.480
We do more genetics. Unfortunately, the Amazon is being uncovered.
950
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I say unfortunate because it's not good for climate to
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get rid of the rainforest. But the rainforest was not
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natural to begin with. And again, very very few people
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realized that it was a human made garden. Don't know
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exactly when it was made. Most of these billage areas
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that were there date back to about one thousand BC.
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But the problem is they haven't actually dug lower yet.
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And how many of those are there. There's like a
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thousand villages they've found so far, and as they keep
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getting rid of the forest there, they're finding more and
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01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:42.159
more of them. So how many are there, I don't know,
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but ten you think about ten million people in the
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Amazon at that time, that is more. There were more
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people in the Americas when Columbus got here than there
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were in all of Europe. And Kohokia, Illinois had a
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greater popular at that time than did London, England. The
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hook I had a population of fifty thousand people. Wow.
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When when when the Spanish went into Mexico City which
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then was called Teno Chito Lan, there were all there
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were one hundred thousand soldiers there that the that the
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Aztecs had there were two hundred and fifty thousand people
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that lived there, and the Aztec army had one million
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standing members.
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It's incredible, it is incredible.
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Yeah, we just ignore it.
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Yeah, doctor Little, this was fantastic information.
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I love having you on.
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Before you head out, let the audience know where they
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01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:49.320
can find out more about you. To pick up your books.
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If you have any social media, all the good stuff.
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The best thing to do is to search for my
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full name. Put in my middle initial. It is Gregory L.
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01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.360
Put the letter L in there in my middle initial,
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01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:05.760
little L. I ttl E. Do that. I'll pop up
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on Google or whatever search engine you use. Twitter's the
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01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:12.440
best place to find me. I post tons of stuff
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01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.199
on mounds and archaeology on Twitter. That's the only thing
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01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.760
I post on Twitter. And all my books can be
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01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.960
found there in my profile. I don't want to go
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01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:25.479
through them. The archaeology books are easy to find, but
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that's it. Go to Twitter, do my whole name and
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you'll find me. It's always a pleasure, man.
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Yes, always a pleasure. Thank you so much, Doctor Little.
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Will do it again and until next time. Everyone, have
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a wonderful evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all
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01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:45.960
then today and welcome back to the show. Nick hayes
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He is a UK based author and photographer who has
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spent the last twelve years photographing and filming in the
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infrared and ultraviolet parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, documenting the
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01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:05.119
stream invisible life forms, craft like objects and other phenomena.
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That appear to exist beyond the range of human sight. Nick,
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01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.000
welcome back. How you doing very well?
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01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.680
Thank you, Chris Jah, thanks for having me back on
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01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:16.000
the show. It's great to be back on.
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01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.960
Yes, it's great to have you back. I'm very excited
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to dive back into your work, which is surrounding the
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01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:26.000
invisible life forms in the sky that surround us at
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01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.039
all times. And you've discovered how to capture some of
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01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:34.159
these beings and entities with different photographic techniques and lenses.
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01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:37.600
And last time you were on, you shared some incredible images.
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01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:41.359
I'll be showing those overlaid over our conversation today, So
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01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.159
I can't wait to see and listen to what you
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01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.760
have today. Now for the audience that is listening, if
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01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.520
you would like to see the visuals, go check us
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01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.159
out on Rock Fin and Rumble and our website. You'll
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01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.880
be able to see it there as well. So, before
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01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.119
we get into this, it's been a while since you've
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01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.079
been on, find the audience just a little bit about
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01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.439
yourself and what brought you to this work and research.
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01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:09.720
Well you well, basically I might began this in two
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01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.039
thousand Christmas Christmas Day evening two thousand and eight, I
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01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.439
was walking my dogs and I saw a UFO had
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01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.119
an encounter with the UFO. It's a very misty night,
1023
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:22.279
and I could hardly see the UFO it was. It
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01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:24.359
was a very misty night, and basically what I kept
1025
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:26.399
seeing was like a glow, a warm glow, about two
1026
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:28.760
hundred foot up in the air, and it was moving
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01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:33.119
about walking pace, and it just kept disappearing, and it
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01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:35.159
kept appearing again, and there seemed to be a band
1029
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:38.239
of thicker sort of mist or fog, and all of
1030
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:41.880
a sudden got could see it in all of its glory.
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01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.359
I saw like about four or five seconds of it,
1032
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.520
and then it disappeared again. But it looked like at
1033
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.479
first I thought it was a craft, but it actually
1034
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.239
it looked like it was breathing. It looked like it
1035
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:54.760
was alive. So I managed to capture a couple of
1036
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:56.680
frames of it on the camera which I had. I
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01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:58.520
went back down and followed it. I got my camera
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01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.319
and went back home, managed to capture a few frames
1039
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:04.039
of it, and I just didn't know what I'd seen,
1040
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.159
because I thought you in UFOs were craft and nothing
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01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:12.239
else than craft. So I I just couldn't sleep for
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01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:14.399
six months. So I couldn't eat. I couldn't. It just
1043
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.640
blew me away. It's like having a religious experience, and
1044
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.920
I just wanted to know what it was. I just
1045
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.199
couldn't get over the concept that it looked alive. It
1046
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:26.239
was then that I discovered Trevor James Constable. He captured
1047
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.520
similar living life forms in the in the infrared in
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01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:33.199
the desert of Mahve Desert of southern California back in
1049
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:38.359
the nineteen fifties using infrared film. So I discovered his book,
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01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:41.039
The Cost Repulse of Life, and which came out in
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01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:43.600
nineteen seventy six. I got the two thousand and eight reissue,
1052
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.399
and I later bought They Live in the Sky, which
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01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.680
was his earlier nineteen fifty eight book. So I sort
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01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.600
of took it from there. Early I realized that these
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01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.960
things were out there, and I've been lucky to see
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01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.079
one in you know, in the normal visual light. So
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01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.920
I said about trying to capture some more using some
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01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.359
of the techniques that he had in his book.
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01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:09.000
Right, Well, let's talk about some of the equipment and
1060
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:13.000
techniques that you're actually using to capture these images.
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01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.399
Well, basically, yeah, yeah, I use this standard camera which
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01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.800
I sent away to be converted to infrared. They remove
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01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.920
the blocking filters out which block invisible light, and they
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01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.039
replace them either with clear quartz, which gives you full spectrum.
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01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.840
Now, can anyone have this done to their photographic equipment.
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01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.399
Yes, yes, there's several firms in the US. I mean
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01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:38.479
I send my to the US a couple of times camcorders. Yes.
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01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.520
So it becomes a full spectrum. So it now sees infrared, ultraviolet,
1069
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:46.439
and visible LIGHTE spectrum. You can use filters to see
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01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:48.560
whichever part you want. So, for instance, you can use
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01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.000
an infrared pass filter which gets rid of the visible
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01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:54.399
light and ultra violet at least you were just infrared,
1073
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:57.359
or you can have infrared and ultraviolet, or you can
1074
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:00.399
have just ultra violet. But with the camera, I had
1075
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.880
an infrared past filter put into the camera, so the
1076
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:06.600
camera just sees infrared, a seven hundred and twenty animeter
1077
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.039
one which sees just a bit of the barely visible
1078
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.319
light that occurs just before the infrared. And that's good
1079
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.359
for nighttime situations because you can see things like the lights,
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01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.479
you know, the light coming from street lands, and it
1081
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:22.600
helps put pictures into more perspective. So I began just
1082
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:26.520
using an infrared camera and began using a cloudbuster, which
1083
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.439
was a device invented by doctor Wilhelm Reich, and that's
1084
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.439
what Trevor Jones Constable used for attracting UFOs. I later
1085
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.000
started using a Geiger counter because I found that a
1086
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:40.159
Geiger counter could detect these things and also film in
1087
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.680
the ultraviolet using camcorders, a full spectrum camcorder with an
1088
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:46.640
ultraviolet filter on it which blocks the visible light spectrum
1089
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:51.800
and the infrared, and it's almost a pure ultraviolet picture.
1090
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.600
And I found by using the son obliteration technique using
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01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.880
the position of myself and the camcorder so that the
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01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.840
sun was trapped beyond the room. It makes what I
1093
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.960
refer to as the elimination zone, and I zoom slightly
1094
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:06.399
into the top of the roof, and it means that
1095
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.880
you're already in focus and these things come by. When
1096
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:12.399
they come by, you can capture them. There's a certain angle,
1097
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.720
it's like a forty five degree angle, and as the
1098
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.720
sun slowly rises, you've got to you've got to keep
1099
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.800
adjusting it to keep the sun right behind the roof
1100
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:21.560
so that it doesn't peek over completely.
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01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.760
Now you said you use a Geiger counter, and this
1102
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:30.039
can detect when these things are in proximity.
1103
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.359
Yeah, very much so. Yeah, they can detect sort of
1104
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:34.960
entity type things at ground level. I mean, how I
1105
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:38.119
explain it. Yeah, they What happens is when these things
1106
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:39.560
come through the sky, even if they're at like a
1107
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:41.439
thousand foot in the year, it seems to detect it.
1108
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.000
You get a sudden burst. I mean I set it
1109
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:48.119
for there's about normal background radiation which you get which
1110
01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:51.279
is about zero point nine micro servers per hour, but
1111
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:54.399
a set point for NERO point two zero and higher,
1112
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.039
and these things they give a brief, really quick hit
1113
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:01.800
on the guide counter. Yeah, and you can catch things
1114
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.159
at ground level. I've caught enteries and things that have
1115
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.840
been I think when they manifest into this reality, albeit
1116
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:11.439
still invisible, you can actually get a you know, some
1117
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:14.079
kind of energies forms which seems to set the guide
1118
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:14.720
counter off.
1119
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:18.119
So you not only have have caught these entities in
1120
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.560
the sky, you you can catch them on the surface
1121
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:21.279
level as well.
1122
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:24.920
That's right. Yeah, Yeah, I've captured them in the forested
1123
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.079
wooded area at the bottom of my garden. I've got
1124
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.039
research area which is about an acre of land which
1125
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.159
is my garden. And it backs onto another area and
1126
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.000
I film there. Well, I use the side of the
1127
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:40.479
house to record in the ultra violet and then I
1128
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.039
just with with the infrared camera. I just walk around
1129
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.279
with a guide counter just take random photographs when I
1130
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:45.760
get a hit.
1131
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:48.439
Now, what about film?
1132
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.880
Can is there any way to film these like a
1133
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:53.159
movie camera?
1134
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:56.199
Can? Can you catch these on on live action?
1135
01:15:58.600 --> 01:15:59.279
Yeah? I have done.
1136
01:15:59.319 --> 01:15:59.479
Yeah.
1137
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:02.720
Basically of the things I caught, the fish like forms
1138
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.399
and some of the other strange things which are in
1139
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.520
my book ques Invisibles, they're actually taken from moving footage.
1140
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:10.960
But very often these things will only appear. Even if
1141
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.319
you're filming at one frame per so fifty frames per second,
1142
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:16.960
these things will often only appear in one frame, maybe two,
1143
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.880
maybe three. They seem to be traveling really really fast
1144
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:22.760
on some kind of etheric flow which seems to go
1145
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.760
from west to east, which I discovered, well, I mean
1146
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.359
I didn't. We discovered it during my work by Dr
1147
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:32.399
Reich also speculated about this flow. He found there's a
1148
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.720
west to east flow in this part of the world,
1149
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:37.439
and they seem to be riding on it or caught
1150
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.079
up on it. These are the things that I've captured
1151
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:41.800
the fish like forms in the ultra violets.
1152
01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:45.199
Is it that they're they're flowing with some sort of
1153
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:47.760
invisible plasma phores.
1154
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:50.159
It seems to be. Yeah, it seems to be a
1155
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:55.880
really fast moving well, it's like a force basically. Yeah. Yeah,
1156
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.760
it seems to it almost like an invisible river that
1157
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:01.399
they're flowing on and they're only visible just as they
1158
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:03.000
hit the sunlight at a certain angle.
1159
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.560
Besides the Geiger counter, is there any other types of
1160
01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:12.279
detection techniques that you would use to notify you that
1161
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:13.680
these entities are around?
1162
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:19.079
You can use things like AMF meters that detect fluctuations
1163
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:23.239
in the electromagnetic field. Because and what basically is the
1164
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:25.279
group from Italy that I got into that were active
1165
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.600
during the late seventies early eighties and the GRCU now,
1166
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:31.600
they used a whole range of different detection devices. They
1167
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.680
used light and heat detectors, they used infrared and ultraviolet sectors.
1168
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:41.199
They also used they measured AMF detectors using measuring fluctuations
1169
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.680
in the magnetic field and Geiger counters. And they mainly
1170
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:47.199
did their work at night, but they captured some great footage.
1171
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:50.239
Some of that is on my website and also in
1172
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:53.359
the paper that I did. If people were interested in this,
1173
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:54.800
they can look at the I did a two part
1174
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.359
paper co wrote it and that's got the best evidence
1175
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.279
from Trevor James Constable, from myself and from the GS you.
1176
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.520
We did it in defensive Constable's work. So if you
1177
01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:06.439
can put the link to that on the show, people
1178
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:08.439
can see that for themselves and get an idea of
1179
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.680
the sort of things that you can capture out there.
1180
01:18:12.279 --> 01:18:15.079
YEA, what go ahead, but.
1181
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:17.720
It takes a lot of patience. I mean I sometimes
1182
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:19.239
go out there. Well not so much now because I've
1183
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:21.279
got a few back problems, but at one point I
1184
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.199
was out there sort of five six seven days a
1185
01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.960
week for sett anything up to seven hours. And the
1186
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.279
thing is, when you're filming at fifty fames a second,
1187
01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:31.560
that's three thousand frames a minute, and some of these
1188
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.319
things only appear on one or two frames and you
1189
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:35.960
get a guide counter here, but by the time you've
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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.640
recognized it, you know hundreds of frames have gone by,
1191
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.000
so you have to roughly note where that was. Then
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01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.840
you've got to go back through and through the footage
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01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:49.359
and find it. So you know, with the infrared it's
1194
01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:52.239
normally more instantaneous. When you're taking a photograph, you get
1195
01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.079
the hit and you take photos in the direction that
1196
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.920
the Geiga country is aiming and just hope you capture something,
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01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.600
whether that be really high in the sky or ground level.
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01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.199
Did a feel for it? After a while, you also
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01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.880
get like a feeling. I mean, some of the entities
1200
01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:08.800
I've photographed, I could sense they were there, and I've
1201
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.000
got a real sudden feeling of dread and in the
1202
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:12.800
exact time the character has gone off.
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01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.560
Have some of these entities, did you get a sense
1204
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:20.319
of intelligence or even have any of them seemed to
1205
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:24.920
interact in any way or that when they are aware
1206
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.520
of you? Have any of them been aware of you
1207
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:28.119
in any way?
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01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:29.159
Oh?
1209
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:32.560
Definitely, yeah, yeah, because I took photos in the But
1210
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:35.319
what I did was walk around. What happened was basically,
1211
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.239
my cat, Roy died and I buried my cat, and
1212
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.600
I went out every night and started taking photographs long
1213
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:44.800
infrared exposures of fifteen seconds or more in total darkness
1214
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.399
at his grave site. I was asking if you could
1215
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:49.479
give me a sign he was still around, And that's
1216
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.199
how I caught that snakelike entity that oh yes, yes,
1217
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.399
whole grave. And then after that I noticed that every
1218
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:58.000
time I walked past the greenhouse, I suddenly get a
1219
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.520
hit on the guigecounter. So I just I did as
1220
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.039
it was so dark to use an infrared camera with
1221
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.920
a standard flash on it. So what I did the
1222
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:08.399
moment I walked past the greenhouse, I've got the hits
1223
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:11.560
on the guide counter, and I instantaneously took photographs straight
1224
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:14.520
into the greenhouse, and I was using the I found
1225
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.319
that the normal standard flash is enough to light up
1226
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:19.520
the greenhouse and light up the area around these entities
1227
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.319
and show them make them appear in the infrared. So
1228
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:24.479
they were definitely appearing for me because it was every
1229
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:26.800
time I walked past, I'd suddenly get the hits on
1230
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.840
the guide counter and I just instantaneously take photographs and
1231
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.720
I captured four of them. One looked like an et,
1232
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:37.119
one was a ghostly kind of figure, and one looked
1233
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:40.399
like it was like almost like a cat, like being
1234
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:43.039
really dark. They didn't reflect light. It's a really dark
1235
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.399
look like he had horns, and it adds some kind
1236
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.439
of sitting on its knee. And then the other photograph
1237
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:50.800
of caused it's really weird looking head with a really
1238
01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.640
big mouth and big teeth and really freaky looking things.
1239
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:57.680
And that's where it all started going a bit weird.
1240
01:20:57.720 --> 01:20:59.880
I started getting hearing footsteps in my room then and
1241
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.960
hearing the voice called, and my sister would hear her voice,
1242
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:07.239
her name called. When the doorbell started ringing at three
1243
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.760
o'clock in the morning, and we're not out on the
1244
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:11.520
main road, you know, We've got like a gated area
1245
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:13.039
to come in, so there's nobody going to be walking
1246
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.800
around our premises at three in the morning. Plus the
1247
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:21.359
lights didn't trigger I'm around the house, so they were
1248
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:23.960
definitely interacting, you know, showed me they were there. I
1249
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:24.800
could feel they with that.
1250
01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:28.760
So it's possible that what you're interacting with is not
1251
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:34.680
only would people may consider extraterrestrials, but possibly spirit realm
1252
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:39.760
entities or interdimensional beings or something that we would consider
1253
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.439
more of a metaphysical type entity, right.
1254
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.800
Yeah, basically yeah, yeah. They were very ghostly, sort of
1255
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.880
paranormal type entities, some of them. I mean. The strange
1256
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:53.720
thing is that the first photograph I captured in the greenhouse,
1257
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:55.720
it was like a ghost like identity which seemed to
1258
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:59.880
be holding like a lantern. And when I went to
1259
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:01.640
the second time, and I suddenly it was about a
1260
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:03.640
week later I suddenly got the hit on the guide
1261
01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:06.720
counter just as I approached the greenhouse. In my mind,
1262
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.640
I said to myself, you know, you know, I don't
1263
01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:11.880
mind capturing ET's and craft and stuff like that, but
1264
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.119
I'm not ready into ghost hunting. And then lo and
1265
01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:17.039
behold the next photograph I took. It's actually like a
1266
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:21.439
little et about four foot high with a proper et head.
1267
01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:25.319
It's almost like I said, so, I just think there's
1268
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:27.720
some kind of enterges that could perhaps shape shift rather
1269
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.960
than being solidly in that state of being.
1270
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:35.800
Now you've also captured things that seem to be solid
1271
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:42.079
nuts and bolts type of craft and physical technology, even.
1272
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.520
Some of the things. Yeah, there's a picture on the
1273
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:47.199
front of my website which is a whole load of
1274
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.079
lights and it seems to be part of some kind
1275
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:52.319
of a power systems, so must like the bars on
1276
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:56.079
electric fire. And they're all different intensity and they're all
1277
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.720
different sort of shapes. But that was right above a
1278
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.039
hundred foot tree. Two photographs when the guycounter went off,
1279
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:04.920
and basically nothing appeared in the second or third photo.
1280
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:06.880
I think it took three, but this appeared in the
1281
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.840
first photo, and it was pitch taking a pitch dark.
1282
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:11.720
I don't use a flash when I take photos in
1283
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:13.920
the dark. Now, this looked like it was part of
1284
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:17.680
a craft and another object just above it. And you
1285
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:20.000
always sing as the intensity of the energy which is
1286
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.880
being picked up in the infra red, which is obviously heat.
1287
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.199
But I saw nothing at all, and this thing was
1288
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:28.760
massive and of court other things that look sort of
1289
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:32.279
nuts and boltsy, But it's strange. I'm convinced that a
1290
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:37.039
lot of these things are interdimensional. There's an interdimensional slant
1291
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:39.600
to these things, to be quite honest with you.
1292
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:44.960
Do you find that certain areas have more density of
1293
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:46.479
these entities than others?
1294
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.439
Yeah? Yeah, Well the thing is when you when you
1295
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:53.279
use a cloudbuster or something and you're filming up into
1296
01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:56.039
the sky, you tend to attract more kind of craft
1297
01:23:56.199 --> 01:24:00.279
like objects, and things look like craft. But obviously, I
1298
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:02.039
mean I've captured things a little like a craft. I've
1299
01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:05.239
captured this egg like well, I think it's an endry.
1300
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.760
It's like an egg shape with radar dishes on it.
1301
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:09.960
They are like a craft. But it seemed to know
1302
01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:11.960
that I was filming it through a camcorder and it
1303
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.479
turned round towards me, and there's a video of that
1304
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:17.680
on my Question in Visible's YouTube channel. It's called I
1305
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:21.119
think it's called a range craft. So I'm not sure.
1306
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:24.000
I think a lot of these things can change their form,
1307
01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:26.760
and they can look like craft, and they can take
1308
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.279
any form they want, So I'm not convinced they are
1309
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.239
all crafts. I'd say the ninety nine percent of what
1310
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:33.199
people see in the sky, these lights, they are actual
1311
01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:37.119
entities in their own right, plasma like entities that can
1312
01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.039
take any form. They're like a liquid plasma and life
1313
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.319
energy within that plasma. You know, they've basically got their
1314
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:48.000
existence within a you know, heat based I think, you know,
1315
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:51.800
I kind of say, so it's plasmoidal. Really, you know,
1316
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:53.760
he'd been four matter.
1317
01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:59.920
So now I've seen that you've captured lifeforms that look biological,
1318
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.720
and we were just talking about some sort of technological
1319
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:08.479
looking entities as well as well. You have actually mixes
1320
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:11.680
of both. You have some that look like fish, some
1321
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.920
that look like a meeba's Could you tell us about
1322
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:20.760
some of the most profound entities and beings that you've photographed,
1323
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:23.880
besides the ones that you've just already told us about.
1324
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:26.840
Yeah, I think there's a strange one that I talked,
1325
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:30.640
which I like, it looked like it was like rods
1326
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.279
coming out of it. I think it's im actually in
1327
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.640
my books, it's like a weird always reminds me of
1328
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:38.439
like a light bulb with rods coming out of it.
1329
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:40.920
It's like a plasmoidal glow and it's got these rods
1330
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:43.199
coming out of what looks like a tin canna something
1331
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:46.199
that's catching the sun that's really shiny, and it's very
1332
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:48.159
hard to tell what that is. And I think some
1333
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:50.520
of the fish like forms I've captured as well, they
1334
01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:54.479
they're pretty phenomenal because they've got actual fins. Yes, you
1335
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.199
know people about skyfish and they actually like rods. But
1336
01:25:57.640 --> 01:25:59.600
you know a lot of those things are actual insects.
1337
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.680
If you get peaks of wings, multiple repeats and a
1338
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.920
long rod, light body, the nine nine percent is going
1339
01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.720
to be an insect. But these things are fine. Haven't
1340
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:09.760
got that because through the way you record, you see
1341
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.680
you get intola's video recording that doesn't repeat, so you'll
1342
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:14.840
get like there's a bit on my website where I've
1343
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:19.760
purposely filmed mosquitoes and various things to show what these
1344
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:21.760
things look like. And you get like a long rods
1345
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:25.079
with loads of appendages on the side. And then you know,
1346
01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:27.479
and then I spent hours film in mosquitoes and various
1347
01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:30.720
different things, moths and everything. You either get like a
1348
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:32.319
white bat on or you get like a white batter
1349
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.520
like shape with multiple repeats. But the things I've captured
1350
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.680
in the ultra violet, they've got actual fins and mouths
1351
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:42.840
a lot, and they definitely look like living forms that
1352
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:43.880
are swimming through the sky.
1353
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:48.279
Now, for the skeptics that are looking at this and
1354
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:52.760
don't know much about photography and probably think that maybe
1355
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:57.279
artifacts or some kind of glitches in your camera, what
1356
01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:01.720
would you tell them.
1357
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:01.560
Well, there are a lot of things that glitches can do,
1358
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.560
but these, you know, I'm filming straight into sunlight. I'm
1359
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.000
filming a fifty frames a second. I've also used to
1360
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:09.319
film a lot of time with a standard camera filming
1361
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:11.760
the same scene, and these things don't show on the
1362
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:17.840
standard camera. They honestly don't, you know. And also, you know,
1363
01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:21.800
you don't get guide counter hits from insects. These are
1364
01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:23.840
really high guide counter things, you know. Sometimes they're like
1365
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:27.800
three or four times the standard background radiation levels, and
1366
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.760
it's just for an instant as they go by. These
1367
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:33.840
things can be hundreds of feet, it's not thousands of
1368
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:35.239
feet in the sky. You can still get a hit
1369
01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:40.880
on the guy counter, right, Yeah, So something's going on.
1370
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.319
There's some energy that they're made of, whether it's all
1371
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:46.479
one energy, the life force they're made of, is being
1372
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.279
excited through them being well, they're not actually in this
1373
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.119
reality unles. They're in this reality but invisible. But something's happening,
1374
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:55.600
especially with entities, whether they seem to manifest, you'll get
1375
01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:57.800
a big hit on the guide counter, and you take
1376
01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:00.880
multiple photographs. But sometimes you can use a flash and
1377
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.119
that might light up the outside of these entities and
1378
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.560
you'll capture capture them that way. But a lot of
1379
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.520
them don't reflect light because they seem quite dark both
1380
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:13.279
ways really, you know. So, but I use the sunlight
1381
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.159
a lot to light up the things in the ultra
1382
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:19.279
violet because they don't appear very strongly unless they're lit
1383
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:21.720
up for that split second as they passed above the
1384
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.560
rooftops or beyond the rooftops. So it's very very tricky.
1385
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:28.960
I mean I filmed for two or three years, you know,
1386
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:33.039
and I captured you know, sometimes didn't capture anything. For
1387
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:34.359
three or four months, and I'll be out there all
1388
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:37.159
day long. I was just totally obsessed with it, And.
1389
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:38.960
Now I haven't.
1390
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:44.039
Have you traveled to any specific locations that may have
1391
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:47.399
been considered hot spots to see if you could capture anything.
1392
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:50.239
I'm curious if you ever, if you would ever go
1393
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:54.479
to place somewhere like skin Walker Ranch and attempt to
1394
01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:56.880
see if there's entities there you could capture.
1395
01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:01.079
Oh. Yeah, I've been watching The Skinwalker right. Serious. Actually,
1396
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.319
it's great. I'd love to have been part of that,
1397
01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:05.439
But I don't know, because I've had a lot of
1398
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:08.479
problems over the last year, a lot of strange things
1399
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:10.800
happening to me, and this spooks to me a little bit,
1400
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:11.760
to be quite honest with you.
1401
01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:16.199
Is related to to paranormal activity?
1402
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.760
Yeah, and just constantly, Yeah, definitely, yeah.
1403
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:20.079
Yeah.
1404
01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:22.399
It seems you know, the minute I switch on to
1405
01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:24.560
the question in visible's mode and go out with the camera,
1406
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.279
I'm getting really quick guide counter hits even before I'm
1407
01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:30.680
out of my room. And something happened to me about
1408
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:32.640
three months ago where I was coming down the stairs
1409
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:34.560
with a camera in one hand, guy coountering the other.
1410
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:37.079
It's quite expensive equipment and all of a sudden, I
1411
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:39.960
heard this down then it went right in my ears.
1412
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.840
It almost deafened me, and my whole body. BOOK called him.
1413
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.840
I then he fell down the stairs, and I didn't
1414
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:47.600
feel right for any three months. I couldn't control my thoughts.
1415
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:50.800
I didn't feel like me. I was getting suicidal feelings.
1416
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.640
I I just I started getting really angry all the time.
1417
01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:57.000
I just I went through this really really weird. It's
1418
01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.279
almost like a depression of darkness thing that came over me, you.
1419
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:00.600
Know, Nick.
1420
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:04.520
What's so interesting is I have a researcher friend who
1421
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:08.359
is around the Uinta Basin, around the Skinwalker Ranch area.
1422
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:12.319
He's a he does paranormal research, and he was investigating
1423
01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:16.520
a cattle mutilation and there were these spikes of radiation
1424
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:20.399
around that area too, and he had the exact same
1425
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.920
symptoms that you're that you were talking about for a
1426
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:25.680
very long time. I don't know if it was like
1427
01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:30.039
four to six months. He was having neurological symptoms, all
1428
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:34.399
kinds of problems that just started after he investigated this
1429
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:38.680
cattle mutilation. So that is very interesting that you're having
1430
01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:44.119
these these these effects because of the radiation or whatever
1431
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.920
type of frequencies are occurring there.
1432
01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:50.640
Yeah, yeah, it's just you know, a couple of times,
1433
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.640
we're actually thrown up of sense that these things in aime.
1434
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.520
And I've taken photographs and We've not managed to capture anything.
1435
01:30:57.520 --> 01:30:59.199
But I've just found that, you know, the god counter
1436
01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:02.079
when one we went up six times higher than normal
1437
01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:05.079
radiation levels, and I don't know what radiations I'm dealing with,
1438
01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:08.239
but I felt physically sick and actually have been sick
1439
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:11.680
one time. It gets dangerous when you start getting things
1440
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:13.880
like that. And I started having dreams. I mean, one
1441
01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:15.479
night I had this kind of weird dream that I
1442
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.199
was laying on the bed in the daytime and these
1443
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.680
three entities they were just pitch black and they had
1444
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:24.119
like frog like hands and feet and head. In my dream,
1445
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:26.960
I dreamt that they were strangling me and actually woke up,
1446
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:28.960
which was in the pitch dark in my room, and
1447
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:31.840
I saw them. They were there, and the second I
1448
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.119
looked at them, they all sprung back into all like
1449
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.159
a portal in the corner of the room. They all
1450
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:39.439
sprang back in unison, and I kept the light on
1451
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.159
it one eye. It really freaked me out at the time.
1452
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:42.920
I mean, it's not so bad now because it's a
1453
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:46.359
while ago, but I started getting, you know, hearing footsteps,
1454
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:49.359
hearing voices, and I didn't feel right and I had
1455
01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:52.640
nobody to turn to. So I found the more and
1456
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.119
more I was trying to get into this thing, the
1457
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:55.960
more and more things were having.
1458
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.680
That seems to occur with many people who go chasing
1459
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:05.800
after this phenomena and have a aggressive approach at times.
1460
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:11.520
It seems to have a trickster type of aspect to it,
1461
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:15.680
where it seems to not want you to try and
1462
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.359
attempt to figure out what's going on, and it always
1463
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.720
seems to be many steps ahead of what you're trying
1464
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:23.840
to attempt to do, and there seems to also be
1465
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:28.640
attempts to dissuade you from going any further at times.
1466
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:31.439
Right, I definitely agree, Yeah, yeah, I mean I've watched
1467
01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:33.840
the skin Walker ranch serious and I've seen a lot
1468
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:36.920
of the problems they've had. But it's almost like in
1469
01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:39.680
my garden. It's almost like there's a general phenomenon which
1470
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.479
can express itself in different ways. And I've got very
1471
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:45.479
into this dog man thing. I've been looking in stuff
1472
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.720
quite a while and I thought, you know, I took
1473
01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.319
a strange photo once which almost had like a wolf
1474
01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:53.600
like face, and well, I've taken I was k looking
1475
01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:56.520
around taking a picture straight into the door. It was
1476
01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:58.640
into a window actually, and it was dark outside and
1477
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.880
it should have been my reflection, but it this weird
1478
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:05.600
looking face, and that kind of really unnerved me. And
1479
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:08.000
I get a bit obsessed with things. I either do
1480
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.079
something or I don't. And I think you get so
1481
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:13.319
obsessed with this thing. I think it can that becomes
1482
01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:16.720
your reality basically, and most of the people, you know,
1483
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:18.359
they don't even think about this type of thing. I
1484
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:21.199
don't even believe that it's real. But I've heard a
1485
01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:24.880
lot of about researchers that end up being troubled by things,
1486
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:28.920
especially to skin Walk garage and this whole skin walker thing,
1487
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:32.880
because I believe there's a lot of really dark enterties
1488
01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:34.640
out there, and I think you know when you're inviting
1489
01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:36.479
them in, because when you go out with your camera
1490
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:38.479
and in the pitch dark into a forest or whatever,
1491
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:41.840
you basically were willing them to come. Really you're saying, oh,
1492
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:44.600
you're going out there with the intent to capture something.
1493
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:47.880
I always have respect, you know, I don't try and
1494
01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.359
force me do anything. I don't antagonize or wind up.
1495
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:52.840
I have a lot of respect, you know, when I
1496
01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:54.920
do this kind of work, but it's they all seem
1497
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:57.680
to sort of know, like they switched. I've had things
1498
01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:59.680
where my chemical has been switched off. I set up
1499
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.840
camical just filming me, the cam cord has been switched off,
1500
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.079
and one of them got knocked over and one of
1501
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:08.000
the disappeared. For a while, I couldn't find it, and
1502
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:11.039
then it appeared. We've had food go missing in my
1503
01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.560
sister's house and it never never appeared. We've had things
1504
01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:17.119
appear that we don't know where they came from. And
1505
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:19.720
constant light flashing. This is a problem I've had recently.
1506
01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.760
The light. Every time I come into my sister's house,
1507
01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:23.760
the light starts flashing, and I go into her room
1508
01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.000
and the light flashes. I'm in the shower and the
1509
01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:29.039
light flashes, and it flashes in response to certain things
1510
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:32.319
that I think, And it's just crazy. I mean, even
1511
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:34.640
though I went out one night with my camera and
1512
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:37.000
the gate lights started flashing, the main lights we have
1513
01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:39.319
on our gate, and they just were completely mad and
1514
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:41.399
do like about a thousand flashes a minute. I thought
1515
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.079
there was going to blow the whole electric system up
1516
01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:47.840
in the house and then it just stopped, you know,
1517
01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:50.079
and I couldn't catchure anything. I was getting massive hits
1518
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.039
on the guide counch. I was taking hundreds and hundreds
1519
01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:55.720
of long exposures, I was taking shorter exposures. I was
1520
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:59.199
trying everything. Couldn't capture anything at all.
1521
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:04.760
It's so interesting. It's either a phenomena that can mimic
1522
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:10.840
paranormal or haunted activity, or it is connected to what
1523
01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:15.439
we understand is the afterlife or this spiritual activity.
1524
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:16.520
What do you think?
1525
01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:20.680
Definitely, yeah, I think that, I mean come to conclusion
1526
01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:22.640
that you know, as well as us living on Earth,
1527
01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:27.680
I think it may be many different levels existing, you know, explain.
1528
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.399
I think there's multiple dimensions and there's multiple realities going
1529
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:33.000
on at the same time, and I think some things
1530
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:36.359
can step through from that reality into this reality. Especially
1531
01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:37.680
when you hear about the amount of people that go
1532
01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:40.560
missing and things like that, and you know Alaska, in
1533
01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:45.880
places like the parks in America, people have just disappeared completely.
1534
01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.479
I'm sure that there's different realities that can phase in
1535
01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:50.840
and out sometimes, and I think that's what's happening on
1536
01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:53.319
skin Walk Garage. It may be to do with the
1537
01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:57.840
amount of quartz, because that just retained memory, and a
1538
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:00.000
lot of these people go missing in areas of high quarts,
1539
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.439
and it could be that, you know, perhaps the memory
1540
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:06.000
of that time period or something is replayed, or perhaps
1541
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:09.399
it's somehow allows them to exist at the same time
1542
01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:13.039
or phase phase in and out of our reality. M hm.
1543
01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:17.600
Have you caught any have you caught any?
1544
01:36:18.439 --> 01:36:20.159
I'm sorry, go ahead.
1545
01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:22.600
So I'm convinced that you know, everything exists or can
1546
01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:23.640
exist everything.
1547
01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:27.680
Yeah, it seems there's a whole spectrum of life just
1548
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:31.720
beyond what we can perceive. Have you caught any evidence
1549
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.359
of what you would understand as a portal activity or
1550
01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:38.239
objects coming in and out of the reality?
1551
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.079
Not as such. And I didn't catch what looked like
1552
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:44.560
a little tear in the sky and a bright light
1553
01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:46.680
coming out of the sky like a rip, and he had
1554
01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:50.199
something coming through there. But I've never captured any sort
1555
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:54.640
of evidence clear evidence of a portal opening. Not really.
1556
01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:57.720
I've captured things in the sky where the sky seemed
1557
01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.520
to change color. I took about three or four photographs
1558
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.479
in the infrared, and all these way colors came out.
1559
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:06.720
They shouldn't have come out. Because the infrared the filter
1560
01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:10.600
should have blocked those colors unless they're made between the
1561
01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:12.800
filter and the camera. I'm not sure how it works,
1562
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:16.000
but by some strange things that have paid in the sky,
1563
01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.319
and they could well have been portals because I was
1564
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:22.479
filming things in the sky around that point, and perhaps
1565
01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:25.000
the cloudbuster use, you know, created a portal. I don't know.
1566
01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:28.560
I don't use cloudbusters now, but I used to use,
1567
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:31.920
you know, use them a lot, and you know they're
1568
01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:33.520
well known for attracting things.
1569
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.399
Have you considered the possibility that our cosmology that we're
1570
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:45.439
told about from our mainstream academia, NASA, and our government
1571
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:50.560
could be different than what we're being presented, and that
1572
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.359
the concept of outer space could be more of an
1573
01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:58.479
inner dimensional phenomena than than we realize.
1574
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:01.199
Definitely, I think that. Yeah, I think that's true. I mean,
1575
01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:03.520
I believe that the history as we know it is different.
1576
01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:06.199
I mean, you know, when you look back at the God,
1577
01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:07.840
been spent a lot of time looking back, you know,
1578
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.600
like the Old Testament and some of the Hindu books
1579
01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:12.439
that you know, the God's coming down. I think these
1580
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:14.640
gods are very real. I think these things happened, and
1581
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:17.199
I believe you know, they may be even coming down
1582
01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:20.880
now and putting them entities, you know, because onto this earth,
1583
01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:24.680
because people have seen portals opening and things walking through them.
1584
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:26.880
But I believe that perhaps they're being put some things
1585
01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:27.720
being put down here.
1586
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.319
We just had a story break yesterday in Las Vegas.
1587
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:33.600
It's gonna be a pretty big story here in the
1588
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:38.640
United States. A craft supposedly crashed in a family's backyard.
1589
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:42.039
They called nine one one and said that there were
1590
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:45.520
eight to ten foot tall beings with huge black eyes
1591
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:50.439
walking around the craft in their backyard. And there's some
1592
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.640
speculation that it's there's a cover up involved because we
1593
01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:56.920
can't find any of the video evidence and they were
1594
01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.560
blocking out some of the evidence of the video footage
1595
01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:02.920
and the new and it's very interesting. The witnesses sound
1596
01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:06.199
very critical. So I'm interested to see where this story
1597
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.399
is gonna go. And that's I think this just occurred yesterday.
1598
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:11.840
So we're having a lot more, a lot more of
1599
01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:14.520
this stuff come out in the mainstream here in the
1600
01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.319
United States. Is it that way over in the UK?
1601
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:22.279
Are you guys looking into the UFO phenomena of your government?
1602
01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:25.359
This is what the government over here released all the
1603
01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:27.000
UFO files a few years ago.
1604
01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:27.960
Mm hmmm.
1605
01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:30.239
I don't really trust the governments.
1606
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:31.239
We can't, of course not.
1607
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:34.880
No, I think there's this huge psychological operation behind all this,
1608
01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:38.319
and they're trying to skew our perception of what's going on.
1609
01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:42.479
But it is very interesting that it's even being mentioned now.
1610
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:45.720
Yeah, well this is it. We never know whether it's
1611
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:47.520
some kind of thing they're trying to force, you know
1612
01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:50.239
what I mean talk about, you know, the false alien
1613
01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:54.520
invasion type thing scenario. But I mean it strikes me
1614
01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:56.399
as being very funny that a lot of these people
1615
01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:58.960
that are now so called heads of the UFO sort
1616
01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:01.319
of thing are all excellent people. They spend their lives
1617
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:03.560
trying to hoist it up and keep it from us. Yes, yeah,
1618
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.800
they seem to be in Oh you've got Nick Pope
1619
01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.800
and all these other people. I mean, you know, I've
1620
01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:10.960
already got an opinion on him. But I just very
1621
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:14.079
I don't trust a lot of these people. You know,
1622
01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:16.119
if they spent twenty years keeping this thing secret and
1623
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:18.399
all of a sudden they're up there, you know, turning
1624
01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:20.800
some of all these things, I just don't sit right
1625
01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:22.359
with me really, to be quite honest with you.
1626
01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:26.239
Well, they are also painting it as a threat. There's
1627
01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:29.760
a lot of convoluted information, especially when it comes to
1628
01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:30.760
the events lately.
1629
01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:32.960
Where is it a balloon? Is it a UFO?
1630
01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:36.800
Why are we shooting UFOs down if we aren't sure
1631
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:41.520
the capabilities? What is really happening with some of these events?
1632
01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:44.520
And it seems to be that we will have a
1633
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:47.880
cluster of events happen, things will get quiet for a while,
1634
01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:51.600
and then they'll have another somewhat cluster of events happen
1635
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:56.640
that seem to be oddly placed, and the reason behind
1636
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.640
it is still unknown because we still haven't even retrieved
1637
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:04.960
any the supposed the crash retrieval from the balloon or
1638
01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:07.880
that we supposedly shot down. So it's very interesting what's
1639
01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:08.800
happening right now?
1640
01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:11.760
Yeah, that was in the news a lot, that balloon thing,
1641
01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:13.920
But then you've never heard any any more about it.
1642
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:16.840
I mean, you've got and then again you've got whistleblows.
1643
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.760
You know, people that have come out. I mean, like
1644
01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:24.720
the guy from Area fifty one, what's his name? Brobblers
1645
01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:28.560
are bubblers? I mean I totally believe bob Bubblers are
1646
01:41:29.439 --> 01:41:31.800
I really do. I don't I get a good feeling
1647
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.119
about bubblers are. I've known quite a scientists in my life,
1648
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:38.880
and he's very sort of typical of scientists, and you
1649
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.520
know when you listen to what he has to say,
1650
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:42.239
and you know, he's very angry that this type of
1651
01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:46.640
science isn't being used. It's what's being suppressed.
1652
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:46.640
You know.
1653
01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:48.920
And any good science wants to go as far into
1654
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:50.920
things as he can and work out how things work.
1655
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:53.960
And it must be very frustrating if you're working on
1656
01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:57.159
some you know, like using element one, more five and
1657
01:41:57.319 --> 01:41:59.359
power in these crafts, and yet you can't, you know,
1658
01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.159
put it in an application for the world to help
1659
01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:03.720
save the world in some way, or to give us
1660
01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:05.000
free energy or something like that.
1661
01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:07.560
Well that's the thing that some speculate that there are
1662
01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:11.159
so many in the private sector that are actually coming
1663
01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:15.119
to crack free energy and understand some of this technology
1664
01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:19.880
themselves and develop technologies for free energy themselves, and have
1665
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.880
an understanding of what's behind it, that our governments and
1666
01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:27.760
military industrial complex may be trying to get ahead of
1667
01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:31.479
all that by coming out with some of this information
1668
01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:35.479
or staging some events, or even just leaking a little
1669
01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:39.840
bit of what the real possibility of UFOs is because
1670
01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:43.520
they don't want us to have access to free energy
1671
01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:49.119
uncontrolled or especially when it's not in their control, right exactly.
1672
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:50.880
This is the thing, you know, if I invented a
1673
01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:53.399
device which could you know, draw ende if the zero
1674
01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:55.800
point failed, you know, and I put it in to
1675
01:42:56.279 --> 01:43:01.279
get a patent, they'd be taken off me under you know,
1676
01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:04.079
and that's wrong, that's just totally totally wrong.
1677
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:05.800
You know.
1678
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:07.760
Then they use it for military applications, and I can
1679
01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:10.039
see why. I mean, you know, if they suddenly discovered
1680
01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:13.079
the drives, the drives to these craft and the UFO technology,
1681
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.199
they wouldn't want to release it out to the public
1682
01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:17.640
in any manner at all, because you know, the other side,
1683
01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:19.279
whoever they considered to be the enemy at the time,
1684
01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:22.159
maybe Russia or China in their eyes, could use that
1685
01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:24.920
against them. So I suppose for military purposes to have
1686
01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:26.680
a you know, to be ahead of the other side,
1687
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:29.560
they're going to keep this stuff secret and they're not
1688
01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.800
going to be putting it out stop by the disclosure
1689
01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.640
protect all these people say they worked on UFOs and
1690
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:38.279
everything else. I mean, they were military people, and a
1691
01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:41.319
lot of them didn't release this information until they were dead.
1692
01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:43.560
You know. They recorded videos and things.
1693
01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:48.479
Yeah, I think it's also possible that these beings, if
1694
01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:52.520
they are entities and not just some non corporeal intelligence
1695
01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:56.319
or trickster intelligence. If we are dealing with entities, they
1696
01:43:56.359 --> 01:44:00.439
could just possibly be from here in just in a
1697
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:05.119
different spectrum of vision. They could have resided on this planet,
1698
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:08.520
on Earth forever and we just can't see them, and
1699
01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:13.600
they know how to manipulate either density or a new
1700
01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:16.239
state of matter to where they can come in and
1701
01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:19.199
out of our reality, or even alter our perception to
1702
01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:23.359
where we can only perceive certain things. I don't know,
1703
01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.079
but it seems that it's possible that these beings were
1704
01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:26.800
always here.
1705
01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:29.800
Yeah, I believe that as well. Yeah, I mean, you
1706
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:31.960
know the Earth. I mean, who knows how old the
1707
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:34.199
Earth is. But it's quite possible because a lot of
1708
01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:37.119
cultures talk about the invisible reality, to the reality of
1709
01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:39.840
invisible beings a lot, you know a lot of them,
1710
01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:43.239
and you know, especially at night as well, a lot
1711
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:46.159
of these things are seen at night, these pale humanoid forms.
1712
01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:48.880
There's one captured crossing the road over a motorway in
1713
01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:51.439
England and it was like a human like form and
1714
01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:55.039
it was actually running, well like crawling a fast crawl.
1715
01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:57.319
It jumped over the motorway and run in front of
1716
01:44:57.359 --> 01:44:59.399
the car, and it looked like a really tall human
1717
01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:02.720
about seven. It's already emaciated and gray, but it kind
1718
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.319
of it moves, not not bipedally, but actually on four
1719
01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:09.880
you know, on his hands and knees. And a lot
1720
01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:12.119
more people are capturing things and saying things in the dark,
1721
01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:13.479
so I think a lot of these are coming through
1722
01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:15.119
from sort of darker realms as well.
1723
01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:20.159
Yeah, and you said you you had captured something of
1724
01:45:20.319 --> 01:45:25.399
a dog man. I've heard very interesting accounts of dog
1725
01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:30.920
man and dog like creatures, cryptid creatures in different rural areas.
1726
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.560
I'm doing a documentary right now. In the first area
1727
01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:37.079
that I'm documenting is South Louisiana and some of the swamps,
1728
01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:42.079
And apparently there are an entire range of creatures that
1729
01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:46.760
are so either elusive or know how to come in
1730
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:50.239
and out of our reality, like these other beings that
1731
01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:54.720
we're just speaking of. Possibly that what we can understand
1732
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:57.760
is Bigfoot and these dog men creatures that have these
1733
01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:02.000
abilities to traverse throughout our reality as well.
1734
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:04.880
It could well be it could well be, or they
1735
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:07.920
could be remnants of some ancient race I mean, you know,
1736
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:10.039
America very old place, and you think, you know, I mean,
1737
01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:12.520
the evidence for giants is massive. That the fact that
1738
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.079
you know, right down to the Native Americans having problems
1739
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:18.520
with them, you know, with them being cannibalistic and they well,
1740
01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.720
you know, there's legends of them having wars with these giants,
1741
01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:22.520
and it goes all the way through the UK, around
1742
01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:24.760
the world. And I believe in those times when the
1743
01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:29.199
gods were down all sorts of strange creatures, they're probably
1744
01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:33.359
doing you know, DNA splicing and mixing certain creatures with
1745
01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.279
other creatures. So they could be remnants from a time
1746
01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.880
like that in ancient time, or they could be things
1747
01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:42.039
that are being put down. Because it's just weird with
1748
01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:43.600
the dog man thing, the fact they can run on
1749
01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:45.800
four legs, but they can also seem to have to
1750
01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:47.760
click their legs out and stand up and be by
1751
01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:51.600
bipedal And yeah, I mean, I haven't seen an actual
1752
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.319
dogman thing. I just caught a reflection of something that
1753
01:46:53.319 --> 01:46:56.960
looked weird in my window. But the whole dog man
1754
01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.760
thing is pretty crazy. And they've been citing in England
1755
01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:01.960
as Wow, there's been a few sightings of them in England.
1756
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:05.760
I think Australia as well. But I'm very very interested
1757
01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:07.319
in that thing by the base of bray roads and
1758
01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:11.760
all that kind of stuff. But the very frightened imagine.
1759
01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:17.479
It's interesting the ability they have to either cloak into
1760
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.760
their environment. Every picture we seem to get of one
1761
01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:24.119
of these beings, they look blurry or fuzzy or like
1762
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.479
a part of the environment. And I've had researchers clean
1763
01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:32.880
that they've actually seen them morph into a tree or
1764
01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:33.479
a rock.
1765
01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:36.279
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I watched the serius
1766
01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:39.039
that was on. I think it was somewhere in Alaska
1767
01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:41.199
where they went out trying to track down this on
1768
01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:43.640
this side. I think that it was an abandoned fishing place,
1769
01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:47.000
salmon cannery. They found that when they were trying to film,
1770
01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:50.359
they are again a lot of a lot of things, a rapping.
1771
01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:54.960
The equipment was switching off and they're getting things work
1772
01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:57.039
turning out on the camera. The camera just get switching
1773
01:47:57.079 --> 01:48:00.560
off and they could get a lot of I can't
1774
01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:03.800
I don't know that things were just going all over
1775
01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:05.239
the place. They try to take a photo and it
1776
01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:08.359
come out all fuzzy, and things like being disturbed all
1777
01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.279
the time, and they seem to be able to affect
1778
01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:14.359
do something with the frequency and lettromagnetic frequency, they seem
1779
01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:17.560
to be able to affect that. So perhaps they've got
1780
01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.000
a way of making sure they're not captured on camera
1781
01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:20.520
or something.
1782
01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:24.680
Now, I want to get into your the paper that
1783
01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:29.439
you're working on, Positive Findings on Constables. Yeah, tell us
1784
01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:33.000
a little bit about what's what's details in this paper?
1785
01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:36.680
Yeah? Yeah, Well, basically what happened was as a guy
1786
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:39.880
called Leon Southgate is an academic organ researcher, became he
1787
01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:41.760
rang me up one day, Well he actually emailed me
1788
01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:43.039
and after you heard me on the show, and we
1789
01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:46.600
became really good friends. And he's really really into Uguran
1790
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:48.680
energy and the work of doctor Wilhem Reich. And he
1791
01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:50.279
told me about a paper that had been written by
1792
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:53.159
a guy called James Demo, who's another orgonomist, and it
1793
01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:57.079
was called negative Finding on Constables Bioforms And in this
1794
01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:02.840
two page article he dismissed constables bioforms invisible UFOs as
1795
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.800
nothing more than marks on the emulsion. And for his
1796
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:08.439
main proof he used some photographs which came from a
1797
01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:13.600
book called Like Quest by Commember. The guys Andrew Collins
1798
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:16.560
wrote a book called like Quest, and in that book
1799
01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:18.960
there's a load of photographs. He had taken a stereoscopic
1800
01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:23.119
camera and set up cloud busters, apparently trying to recreate
1801
01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:25.960
Constable's methods. And he'd taken some photographs and because he
1802
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:29.239
used the stereoscopic camera, on both sides should be the same.
1803
01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:31.479
And what he found, what he presented in this book
1804
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:33.520
was a whole load of what looked like, you know,
1805
01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.560
UFOs in the sky and biology UFOs, and then on
1806
01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:39.000
the other picture there's one or none on some of them.
1807
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:41.159
So he said, because both frames are different, that they
1808
01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:43.960
must be marks on the emulsion. But I actually looked
1809
01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:47.199
at the actual photographs and I found they weren't taken
1810
01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:50.960
from a stereoscopic camera. One of them, out of thirty degrees,
1811
01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:53.279
slants on it, which was different to the other one,
1812
01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:57.159
and I basically managed to put really put one on
1813
01:49:57.159 --> 01:49:59.239
top of another. Actually traced them, and I found they
1814
01:49:59.279 --> 01:50:00.920
were all out no way they were taken with a
1815
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:05.640
stereoscopic camera. And it really annoyed me the people trying
1816
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:07.680
to discredit Constable's work. So I said to Leon, let's
1817
01:50:07.680 --> 01:50:12.119
write a paper positive findings on Constables orgodotic biforms and
1818
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:16.399
present the best bioform evidence from write from nineteen fifty seven,
1819
01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:19.000
when Trevor James Constable started right through the GRCU in
1820
01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:21.880
the late nineteen seventies early eighties, and then the things
1821
01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:26.239
I've captured from twenty ten to was in about twenty nineteen.
1822
01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.199
So we decided to write this paper and put all
1823
01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:32.039
the evidence, all the photographic evidence, and there's pictures from
1824
01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:35.279
taken from live footage. Just wanted to present it all
1825
01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:39.079
just to show because the GRCU they wrote a book
1826
01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:42.840
in the nineteen eighties, a really rare book called Lorialta Nascosta.
1827
01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:45.039
It's an A four book with about two hundred pages.
1828
01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:47.520
It's very rare. I mean I paid a lot of
1829
01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:49.560
money for it. I've got it on the internet. I
1830
01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:51.000
think I paid three hundred and fifty pounds free. I
1831
01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:54.479
was so desperate because I'd read about it and nobody
1832
01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:56.399
has really got access to this because the book was
1833
01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:59.279
only one thousand printed and there's nothing about it on
1834
01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.399
the internet. So I set about trying to get this
1835
01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:04.439
information out there, and I got permission to actually use
1836
01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:07.279
some of those photographs, and so I'm just trying to
1837
01:51:07.279 --> 01:51:10.279
present the best evidence and evidence that is a little known,
1838
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:13.720
really by people. I mean, I don't reely know Travior
1839
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:15.800
James Constable. I was into eupology for a long time.
1840
01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:17.760
I never heard of Travi James Constable until I went
1841
01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:23.439
seeking and really looking, you know, into like living UFOs basically,
1842
01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.279
so a lot of it's been dismissed and just swept
1843
01:51:27.359 --> 01:51:31.239
under the carpet. Really. Constable himself was banned from lecture
1844
01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:35.880
and at one point a various UFO dues that were
1845
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:38.760
going on you know, conferences because they didn't like what
1846
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:40.640
he was saying, because they just they were going from
1847
01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.399
the from the point that they were all UFOs had
1848
01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:45.800
to be interplaneatory craft and nothing else.
1849
01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:50.840
Yeah, you mentioned earlier that a lot of the craft
1850
01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:53.880
you have photographed, and even the ones you saw with
1851
01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:58.000
your your own eyes seemed to have biological aspects. To
1852
01:51:58.079 --> 01:51:59.000
him is very interesting.
1853
01:51:59.039 --> 01:51:59.960
I've had it.
1854
01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:03.760
Experiencers that claim that, some that claim they've been taken
1855
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.279
on hips that are biological in some ways and actually
1856
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:09.399
conscious and living.
1857
01:52:11.159 --> 01:52:13.000
That doesn't surprise me, I mean, to be honest with you,
1858
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:16.520
nothing surprises me anymore. It really doesn't, you know, it
1859
01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:19.319
really doesn't. I mean, it's start things twisted my head
1860
01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:21.680
to be quite honest with you. I mean, people say, well,
1861
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:23.840
it's a nice photograph. They look at the photographs of
1862
01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:26.560
the stuff, you know, in the snakelike object that came out,
1863
01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:29.239
for instance, from my cat's grave site. But you know,
1864
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.600
the object came out as a reaction to me, you know,
1865
01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:33.560
asking if my cat coul give me a sign that
1866
01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:37.520
he was still there, and other things happened. So you know,
1867
01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:40.079
to people, they just say just a photograph, but to me,
1868
01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:43.399
it was actual happening and a response that happened. And
1869
01:52:43.439 --> 01:52:46.640
I can weigh quite heavily on your mind sometimes when
1870
01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:48.560
you're out they're doing it all the time, and you're
1871
01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:51.560
getting these responses and capturing things because that is your reality,
1872
01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:56.000
and this is very hard to you know, get back
1873
01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.760
into the normal reality sometimes because your mind's just out
1874
01:52:58.760 --> 01:53:01.720
there in this alternative reality of invisible things.
1875
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:05.119
You know, do you think that we are military industrial
1876
01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:10.680
complex has the capability to mimic some of these more
1877
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:14.359
advanced craft or even some of the biological craft. Do
1878
01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:17.119
you think we have this technology or you think it's
1879
01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:19.199
something beyond anything we're capable of.
1880
01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:22.600
I think it's beyond what we're capable of, yeah, or
1881
01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:24.760
even in need of doing. To be quite honest with you,
1882
01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:27.159
I think it's very much sort of nuts and bolts
1883
01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:29.199
thing that they're looking at, you know. I mean, I
1884
01:53:29.239 --> 01:53:31.640
do believe that they've captured various crafts and things. I
1885
01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:34.680
do believe that's quite possible, especially with what Bubblazar says.
1886
01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:37.359
I don't see any reason why bubblers Are would make
1887
01:53:37.399 --> 01:53:39.359
such a thing up and put his life in jeopardy
1888
01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:42.279
and cause himself the problems he has. I mean, he
1889
01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:45.399
distances himself from it now, but I find it very
1890
01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:48.600
very credible. And other whistleblowers have also talked about underground
1891
01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:53.359
bases and things and these Reptinian beings, because if you
1892
01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:55.279
look back in the Bible, you'll see that the serpent,
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you know, it seems to be about the serpent of
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the Reptinian beings, like even in the Garden of You,
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and it's a repent said it's a snake, but you know,
1896
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I believe it's repted in being. But it said it
1897
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was banished to crawl as a snape, so obviously it
1898
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wasn't a snake to start with. So I just think
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it's a mix up with words, you know. But I
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believe that these sentences have been helping the human race.
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01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:20.239
Maybe some of them are not helping them, suppose with
1902
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our best interests at heart, but that's given them this
1903
01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:27.640
start and everything else. And it's quite possible that the
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01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:31.479
elements of the government working or ministry or ministry industrial
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01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:36.600
complex working with some of these things. M Is that true.
1906
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The aspect that's really interesting to me is when you
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01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:44.600
look at things like skin Walker Ranch and the experiments
1908
01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:48.880
they're doing there. It's very scientific and the whatever the
1909
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:54.600
phenomena is at times seems to have aggressive reactions. I've
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01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:58.760
seen people be harmed. And on the other hand, another
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01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:03.359
group of researchers that takes a more spiritual approach, a
1912
01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:07.039
more type of magical approach to interacting with this around
1913
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the same area in the Unsaw Basin, and they get
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much different reaction. It's much more of it's not as
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frightening and as it doesn't seem to be threatening in
1916
01:55:18.479 --> 01:55:21.039
any other in any way. It seems more of a
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curious and playful interaction when they approach it in a
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01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:28.720
spiritual manner, and I find that very interesting. It seems
1919
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:31.920
like the phenomena doesn't really want us to find out
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01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:35.520
scientifically what's going on, but maybe just interact with it
1921
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in different ways.
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What do you think about that?
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I believe that, Yeah, I totally believe that as well.
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You know, I'm having followed the Skidmore Ranch stuff that's
1925
01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:48.880
been going on there. It's definitely seems to be That's
1926
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what I said, definitely happens to me as well. I
1927
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you know, I've had clear gychicund indications and I've heard footsteps,
1928
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and I've seen the lights triggered on the side of
1929
01:55:56.439 --> 01:55:59.079
my house and I've heard footsteps and I can't see anything.
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And these things are that can't capture them on camera,
1931
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you know. Then I find the cameras which I've set
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up at the other end of the garden. They've been
1933
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switched off and one of them's knocked over. So it's
1934
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almost like they don't want you to totally understand what's
1935
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going on. I believe that's what it is. Any sabotage
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it it's hard to know really, but I've never been
1937
01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:22.920
physically calmed apart. I mean, the nearest iff come is
1938
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when I nearly felt on the stairs this massive bush
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sound go sort of right into my ears and I've
1940
01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:31.920
got like a buzz through my body. I've actually been
1941
01:56:31.960 --> 01:56:34.800
punched or scratched, because you know, some researchers have got
1942
01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:38.159
scratched and had other things going on. Well, I've never
1943
01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:38.600
had that.
1944
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:40.640
Have you ever had any missing time?
1945
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Not that I can speak of really, No. No, oppressed
1946
01:56:46.399 --> 01:56:51.560
when I was younger, but no, nothing that I've experienced.
1947
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No.
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I mean, I pretty much do all my research and
1949
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things from my house. I very very rarely even leave
1950
01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:58.960
my house where I live. Be quite honestly, I don't
1951
01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:01.439
really interact with the world. But I haven't noticed anything
1952
01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:05.159
sort of you know, since I've been living here, I've
1953
01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:08.319
not woken up and you know, wondered where time had
1954
01:57:08.359 --> 01:57:11.399
gone or anything like that, thankfully. Yeah, I don't know.
1955
01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:13.680
You know, you don't know what's going on when you're asleep.
1956
01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:15.319
I mean I saw a video the other day of
1957
01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:17.760
a woman that thought she kept getting abducted, and her
1958
01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:22.079
husband filmed and he saw her body disappear from the bed,
1959
01:57:22.119 --> 01:57:22.840
just disappear.
1960
01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:23.520
Huh.
1961
01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:26.600
Yeah. He saw the bed covers go down as if
1962
01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:28.680
she was transported out of this reality. And then you know,
1963
01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:30.680
he was fifteen minutes later she came back in.
1964
01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:33.680
He said, you said he was able to film this.
1965
01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:36.319
It was on something I saw on one of these
1966
01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:39.760
programs the other day. It was a paranormal program in
1967
01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:43.600
the UK. Yeah, he felt on a night vision camera
1968
01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:44.199
sort of thing.
1969
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Oh wow.
1970
01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:47.159
She kept saying certain she was being adupted, so he
1971
01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:49.319
set up cameras to see what was going on because
1972
01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:50.880
he didn't believe it at all. He thought that she
1973
01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:53.239
was making it up. And you just saw it kind
1974
01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:55.399
of like melt away under the covers and there's just
1975
01:57:55.439 --> 01:57:57.880
him laying there and she'd gone, and all of a sudden,
1976
01:57:57.880 --> 01:57:59.560
you see the covers blow up again and she seemed
1977
01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:03.279
to appear, and it seems to be pretty pretty real. Well,
1978
01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:06.119
you don't know with all this animation and stuff, but
1979
01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:08.199
you know, you try and take it at face value.
1980
01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:11.640
When Yeah, they do have a small amount of people
1981
01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:15.560
that have very negative and terrifying which you would consider
1982
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:20.039
abduction experiences. But it's interesting a lot of those people
1983
01:58:20.119 --> 01:58:25.560
who are having these negative experiences also report seeing military
1984
01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:32.039
personnel and people in military uniforms that are in the
1985
01:58:32.159 --> 01:58:37.279
approximate area where this is occurring, or even working with
1986
01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:42.640
extraterrestrial beings. The most negative aspects of this could be
1987
01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:45.319
our own military industrial complex.
1988
01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:49.520
Yeah, and that's quite frightening, really yeah, because you know,
1989
01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:51.319
if you think, I mean, you know, if they have
1990
01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:54.239
got the technologies with these distant things, they could already
1991
01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:57.680
be on Mars. They could be with other beings, you know,
1992
01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:00.560
something like a star Trek type fag going on you
1993
01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:05.840
know where, or got Stargate even you know, and we
1994
01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:09.520
don't know. I mean, they could be letting them, you know,
1995
01:59:09.800 --> 01:59:12.319
we're getting technology off them and letting them abduct us.
1996
01:59:12.359 --> 01:59:15.199
Like some people have said, you know, some kind of
1997
01:59:15.239 --> 01:59:17.680
a deal going on between certain entities. I mean, I
1998
01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:22.439
wouldn't put that past the government now, you know, the
1999
01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:24.399
deep dark government, you know.
2000
01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:29.000
Right, Do you have plans on in the future picking
2001
01:59:29.079 --> 01:59:31.800
up the camera again and attempting to get more footage
2002
01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:34.079
or is this something that you're going to stay away
2003
01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:34.840
from for a while.
2004
01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:37.880
I'm going back. I'm basically just going to go back
2005
01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:40.560
to filming in the sky. Now we've got the summer here,
2006
01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:43.199
so I find June, July, August, September over here in
2007
01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:45.760
the UK that's the point where there's more UV in
2008
01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:47.960
the sun and that's the best time for capturing things
2009
01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:49.960
in the UV. So I'm basically just going to go
2010
01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:51.760
back to what I was doing and filming in the sky.
2011
01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:54.880
I'm not going to do anything at ground level now
2012
01:59:55.239 --> 01:59:58.159
because it just starts getting too weird. And when I
2013
01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:00.439
start feeling sick and filling ill and it I don't
2014
02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:02.760
feel right. I don't want to keep going through that
2015
02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:04.920
because you know, it's where does it end?
2016
02:00:05.159 --> 02:00:05.479
Yeah?
2017
02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:08.920
Yeah, no, it is interesting.
2018
02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:15.720
Have you considered trying any CE five type of interaction
2019
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:20.520
or meditation to attract some of these entities.
2020
02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:23.760
I've done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done it. Yeah.
2021
02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:26.600
I've done the calling, the UFO calling. The first time
2022
02:00:26.600 --> 02:00:28.680
I tried it, I got results with in about ten minutes.
2023
02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:31.119
A bright colored red we look like a red balloon
2024
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:33.520
appeared really high in the sky and it came right
2025
02:00:33.560 --> 02:00:36.000
above my house, and you know, I said thank you,
2026
02:00:36.319 --> 02:00:38.479
and it just melted away into the sky. And then
2027
02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:39.960
another one came and it was like a blue on
2028
02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:42.840
top of another one. They all looked slightly weird. They
2029
02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:46.000
may mimic. They mimic things like flying dolphins and balloons
2030
02:00:46.039 --> 02:00:50.159
and things people. They look slightly metallic, and they basically
2031
02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:53.000
but they always look a bit odd, and they always
2032
02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:54.880
keep themselves a few thousand footup in the air, so
2033
02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:56.960
you can just see them and make out what they are,
2034
02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:59.119
but you can't, you know, without the aid of a
2035
02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:02.159
camcorder anything to zoom in. You can't see them too
2036
02:01:02.399 --> 02:01:05.439
you too near. But I've got a pretty good camcord
2037
02:01:05.479 --> 02:01:08.079
that can zoom in up to two thousands. So but
2038
02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.439
the problem is because it was a full spectrum camcorder.
2039
02:01:10.680 --> 02:01:12.840
These things are bright red, but of course it sees
2040
02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:15.960
red as white, and of course the sky looked white,
2041
02:01:16.039 --> 02:01:18.720
so it wouldn't come out very well on the camcorder.
2042
02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:21.319
I could see these bright red balloon like objects coming
2043
02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:23.560
over and disappearing, but when I look back at the
2044
02:01:23.560 --> 02:01:26.039
footage I could I couldn't see it on the footage
2045
02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:29.159
very well, because obviously I should have done it with
2046
02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:32.880
a standard camcorder, but I haven't actually got any all
2047
02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:37.840
my infred converted and full spectrum. Never been interested in
2048
02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:40.520
a normal camcorder filming in the normal light spectrum.
2049
02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:42.640
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
2050
02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:47.399
You were saying that these things shape shift and try
2051
02:01:47.399 --> 02:01:50.119
to mimic different objects, And I've heard this so many
2052
02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:55.039
times from different witnesses. They'll see something like an orb
2053
02:01:55.159 --> 02:01:58.239
turning to a plane and then shape shift into some
2054
02:01:58.399 --> 02:02:03.760
other type of bird or object. And this is across
2055
02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:06.720
the board that a lot of these objects seem to
2056
02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:11.520
be shape shifters, and they can, they can morph into
2057
02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:17.439
different type of objects or even biological entities during any
2058
02:02:17.479 --> 02:02:18.600
type of experience you have.
2059
02:02:19.640 --> 02:02:21.279
It seems to be living plasma a lot of them.
2060
02:02:21.399 --> 02:02:23.880
They often look metallic. Some of them are pairs like
2061
02:02:24.039 --> 02:02:27.520
silver like balls, but they can actually grow. And I
2062
02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:29.119
mean I was seeing. I mean I recorded that thing
2063
02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:31.199
that looked like an egg and it had radar dishes
2064
02:02:31.239 --> 02:02:34.000
on the side, and when it turned around it looked
2065
02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:36.880
totally different, looked teardrop drops shaped. And I tried to
2066
02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:38.199
make a model of it. I went out and bought
2067
02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:41.399
a load of modeling, like plast scene, and I tried.
2068
02:02:41.640 --> 02:02:43.800
I've got all the stills from the photographs from the
2069
02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:45.880
footage I had taken, and I tried to make a
2070
02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:48.079
model of it, and I couldn't because it looked like
2071
02:02:48.079 --> 02:02:50.239
an egg from one view with these two radar dishes
2072
02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:51.960
on the side, but yet when it turned around it
2073
02:02:51.960 --> 02:02:54.720
look like a tear drop. No matter what I did,
2074
02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:58.199
I couldn't make a model of it. It just didn't
2075
02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:03.680
make it seem to change as it and I'm very strangely,
2076
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:05.279
it paired right up in the sky about a thousand
2077
02:03:05.319 --> 02:03:07.319
feet up in the sky. I've seen it going round
2078
02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:09.359
all day. It was almost like it was looking at
2079
02:03:09.479 --> 02:03:11.279
you know. They noticed that I was using a cloudbuster
2080
02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:14.560
or something and I decided to I saw it just
2081
02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:16.359
as I was packing up, and I decided to sort
2082
02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:18.279
of try and zoom in. And as I zoomed in,
2083
02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:19.960
it almost like knew I was looking at it, and
2084
02:03:19.960 --> 02:03:22.079
it turned round and it shot me that much. I
2085
02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:25.960
fell over, but I managed to capture quite a few
2086
02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:28.720
seconds of pretty good footage, which is on my YouTube channel.
2087
02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:32.439
It's called Strange Visible Craft. I think it's that's the video.
2088
02:03:33.279 --> 02:03:35.399
You can see a very strange looking thing.
2089
02:03:35.960 --> 02:03:37.640
Actually it looks like some.
2090
02:03:37.640 --> 02:03:39.279
Bolts thing at first, but then the more you look
2091
02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:41.520
at it, it doesn't. It looks more like it's a
2092
02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:45.159
living thing or even a probe or something something weird.
2093
02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:46.800
But it's definitely changes its shape.
2094
02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:47.560
Right.
2095
02:03:48.079 --> 02:03:51.800
Do you think that in within our lifetime that we
2096
02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:57.279
will have an understanding that these life forms exist and
2097
02:03:57.359 --> 02:04:01.359
that it will just be common knowledge that we have
2098
02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:05.680
a whole spectrum of entities that are just beyond our vision.
2099
02:04:07.039 --> 02:04:08.840
I hope so, because as you know, people like trevi
2100
02:04:08.920 --> 02:04:11.439
Jan's Constable devoted a lot of their life to revealing
2101
02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:14.199
this type of thing, as did the GRCU group, but
2102
02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:16.800
it never really got into the mainstream. I mean, I've
2103
02:04:16.800 --> 02:04:18.800
probably got my work a lot further than those guys,
2104
02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:22.279
because obviously with you know, I've done a few talks,
2105
02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:24.439
we've done quite a few shows, a few talks, but
2106
02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:27.439
that wasn't available back in the you know, fifties, when
2107
02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:30.479
Trevis Janes Console did his work, he did a few conferences,
2108
02:04:31.119 --> 02:04:33.439
but obviously we didn't have the internet, and we didn't
2109
02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:36.359
have these shows like yours, you know, discussing such things.
2110
02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:38.399
So I think it's going to become more and more
2111
02:04:38.479 --> 02:04:41.479
acceptable because I've noticed that a lot of these paranormal
2112
02:04:41.560 --> 02:04:44.159
quote on camera programs I've watched over the last ten years,
2113
02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:46.840
more and more people seem to be catching biological things
2114
02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.000
a lot, like worms or you know, in the sky,
2115
02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:51.920
or snakes, and it seems to be a lot more
2116
02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:55.039
accepted that these things may be biological, a lot of them.
2117
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:56.840
And it wasn't like that when I first started my
2118
02:04:56.880 --> 02:05:01.520
work in twenty ten, you know, it wasn't didn't seem
2119
02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.119
to be that much. I mean, I know there's quite
2120
02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:05.600
a few people who caught worm like forms in Mexico
2121
02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:09.199
and in the skies in Scotland. I believe huge plasmatic
2122
02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:13.000
white looking worms are actually wriggling in the sky. Those
2123
02:05:13.319 --> 02:05:15.960
I can't Barney. I think they called him know something,
2124
02:05:16.479 --> 02:05:20.680
yeah so yeah, But I think they go into space
2125
02:05:20.720 --> 02:05:22.319
as well. I think these things are just part of
2126
02:05:22.359 --> 02:05:25.359
the atmosphere and perhaps out into space, because I know
2127
02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:27.479
Nasra caught a few things that looked a bit a
2128
02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:28.479
bit like that, a bit weir.
2129
02:05:28.640 --> 02:05:33.439
Yeah, the tether experiment had those ameble looking entities attracted
2130
02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:35.520
to that to the to the tether.
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Yes, yes, thing, yeah, yeah, well they look very much
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like the objects that Trevor Jones constably captured ameboid forms,
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and they were pulsating. He captured the things in the
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Mahave Desert in nineteen fifty seven. I mean his first
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capture was I think it was August ninety fifty seven.
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He captured six says his frames of a huge amble
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like biform as it moves off above his head and
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then off across the desert. He managed to frame certain
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parts of the desert terrain in the photograph, and in
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the very last photograph there's another strange creature that almso
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like I had a beak on it that was up
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in the sky alongside the Amiba type. You can see
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all those on my paper. The two part paper is
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it features all these photographs, the best of all this
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photograph and footage from nineteen fifty seven right through to
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about twenty nineteen. It's Trevor James Constable's footage, plus doctor
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James wood See was his companion and friend. He captured
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some good things. And there's my footage and then the
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GRCU group led Byliciana Poconi in the late nineteen seventies
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in Italy. So the paper presents all this what I
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consider to be the best footage of these things, just
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so people can see and understand that, you know, people
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have been capturing this stuff for quite a while.
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Yeah, logic, really, it's incredible. Those links are right in
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the description. Everyone if you want to just click on
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those go check out the pictures while you watch this.
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It's all right there, Nick, this was amazing. Thank you
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once again before you head out, let everyone know once again,
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even though the links are in the description where they
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can find your work, what's the best way to do so.
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Yeah, basically I've set up a website question Invisibles dot
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co dot uk, and I've put all the best photographs
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and footage video skills that I've captured over the years,
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and I've written full descriptions of the equipment that I
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used and sort of how I captured them. The website
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is completely full of everything you need to know about
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capturing various things from entities to two sky creatures. And
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also I've got Yeah, I think the two part paper
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is very important because that's goes through the history of
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some of these creatures, and since Constable captured them, it's
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a good source for people to kind of learn about
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these things. So that's too many things I think well
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best in my book obviously my book Questioned the Invisibles,
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which is available worldwide, and then the two part paper,
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and then the website. I also got a YouTube site
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on which I haven't kept up today with for a while,
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but some of my earlier in for red footage showing
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strange creatures that spin through the sky while I call
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the spinning Jeneis and some other strange things, and a
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few videos I've made up of compilations of some of
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these fish like forms.
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Excellent. Yeah yeah, yeah, go check that out.
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All those links are in the description. Nick, thank you
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so much. This was fantastic and we'll definitely have to
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do this again in the future.
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Yeah, love too, Chris. Great to talk to you.
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Yeah, and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
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We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see all there.
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