FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 15 April 2026

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Speaker 4: It's five double a breakfast David Penberthy and Will Goodies.
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Speaker 5: Nine after six good morning, tell you welcome to Wednesday and five to bla breakfast. It is the fifteenth of eighth for all. Any of our listeners would be getting up on a day like today expecting to jump on a flight to or from Mount Gambia to Adelaide, Well, that will be something you can do no longer. Quantus has announced five percent of their domestic air fares will be no more due toizing fuel costs. The Mount Gambia Adelaide flight has been acts. Will be chatting with the Mayor of Mount Gambia after six thirty this morning. We're trying to get to the bottom of how the petrol prices have changed, not just our flying habits, but all sorts of things. Spoken a lot about evs in recent weeks. What about bikes and there are more bikes on the.
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Speaker 6: Road at the moment.
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Speaker 5: We've been chatting with someone who would know BIKESA business services manager Bailey Underwood before seven about whether taking the bike to work or do errands and do things like that has gained any level of uptake. Zach Bartis was found guilty last night. This was extraordinary. Were going to talk a bit about this morning. Three AB sports Board Eddie Summerfield was there reporting on what transpired at the Tribune and a lot happened that was bizarre. The excellent Jennifer Parker from A and you will join us to talk about the blockade of the Strait of Horn moves. There is some suggestion that Australia, under certain circumstances might participate in an exercise to free it up. What would that look like? How long can this blockade go on?
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Speaker 6: What are the.
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Speaker 5: Problems that might be before the US Navy. Jennifer Parker will have the latest on that. And doctor David Kosh is going to be on the program. Received an honorary doctor a doctorate from the Flinners University. He apparently does not like to be called doctor. But I think in the time on a tradition of Australia where if you protest nick it becomes the nickname. Dr Kosh will be joining us a little bit later, and I suspect that will be fun. I think he'll have less frivolity David when it comes to the Zach Butter's case, Good morning, What.
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Speaker 6: A great day to have Koshi on and can't wait for that conversation. I've never seen a bigger pile of woke garbage than the Zach Butter's decision. But more importantly, if Koshi were woke, Yeah, what we're talking about here is hurt feelings. We're talking about someone who's been asuk Asuki la la. I won't be called names, or I won't think. I won't let people. I won't. I won't be put in a position where I think that somebody has called me a name and then go to this quango, sorry not quango, this jumped up kangaroo court masquerading as a quasi legal entity. If Koshi were to do a university thesis at Flinders, because I've had a law school there since the early nineties now and it's highly reputable one, he could his thesis could be could headlined the Butter's Face, a study in the jurisprudential failings of the faux legal system of the AFL. How can anyone with the letters KC after their name sully themselves by being associated with such a cockamami outfit like the guy's been. He's been convicted on the basis of no evidence. None of this would be admissible in the court of war. It's all hears say. They slot Zach Butter's destroying his reputation. He's the bloody captain for crying out loud. He's a marquee player, He's the sort of person you watch AFEL to enjoy. So they sully his reputation. They can't even release the reasoning. And we've also found out that one of the tribunal members while all this was happening, was on zoom in his car driving around.
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Speaker 5: Melbourne, paying very close attention to the details. Jason Johnson was his name.
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Speaker 6: Unbelievable. This is a joke.
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Speaker 5: It felt the whole thing felt like. Sorry, I just had to get that off, benw Well said. Well said, the whole thing felt like and in retrospect, it seems silly to even suggests maybe it was ever going to be anything other than a butt covering exercise for the AFL to protect their umpire because here's the here's the sum of the case. Umpire said, Zach Butter said something. Zach said, I didn't. The one person close enough to hear said Zack didn't say that, wines Olly Wines, And the tribunal said no, no, we definitely know he did.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no really really stupid and embarrassing.
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Speaker 5: That's the that's the there's no independent audio, right, so it's purely on the testimony of the umpire, in which case I don't know why did it go with the tribunal. If you'd simply default to the umpire's recollection, then don't bother with the tribunal. The other thing is that that that is worth noting here, And this is the flip that the point at the gotcha moment on Zach Butter's was the idea that his postmatch interview, which in which he recalled what he said, wasn't the same as he's. This was the Perry Mason moment. Yeah, yea, the it wasn't the same as what he said to the tribunal. So in the on field interview with Zienda Maguire, he said, how is that a free kick? That's what he said tonight he says surely that's not a free kick. Now, I can't imagine Zach Barter as necessarily thought he needed to use the language that was there was language that was going to be cross examined again legally.
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Speaker 6: It's it is a comic reimagining of the justice system, tribunal. It is like, there's no there's nothing even remotely like. This is what I was saying about all the lawyers who are involved in it. I'm sure they're all getting their billable units. They're laughing all the way to the bank. Yeah, and you know, with the AFL's capacity for vanishing up its own wazoo, that things like this are going to keep happening. So he's clear that Ari Tuesday night, Chiching had a long I'm not saying that there's anything the farious about that. It's just the way the system works. But it's not law, it's not justice. And what it actually looks like the AFL has done is to use a dorm bretanism. This is a fly the flag moment, completely behalf of the amps completely well. I was thinking that what are they even if Zach Butters didn't say it, that's not the point.
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Speaker 5: What are the approximate sorts of judgments that can be made in civil and criminal courts, So we know beyond the beyond reasonable doubt, Well, that wouldn't certainly hold up. How about the lesser civil determination on the balance of probabilities. I don't think it meets that test either.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't there's no test it meets. They can't even explain the reasoning behind it, and we now know that one of the people who made the decision was either going to the shops, picking up his kids from sport or I just felt like maybe hitting the Great Ocean Road, have a bit of downtime. Who knows, Who knows?
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Speaker 5: We all do our best work when it comes to determining complex legal matters whilst we're out driving the car.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is it just thinking back to some of the great jurists of their time. Let's say, I know, let's say Gartz to Garfield Barwick. Was there ever a time during one of his many landmark High Court decisions when Chief Justice Barwick felt the need to get in his com car and nip down the civic to get a sandwich? I don't think that happened.
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Speaker 5: The Texa cover gain and they have a similar sentiment. Andrews says the AFIL tribunal is a joke. If there's a player close by who are different to what the umpire thought he heard but can't prove because the technology wasn't working well, the AFL should simply throw the case out. Someone said wok AFL with two exclamation marks. Boys, this stupid umpiring and the Crows. This umpire's doing crow saints this weekend?
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Speaker 6: Is he really?
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Speaker 5: He said, as a one eyed crow sport, I cannot wait to boo until I'm horse in the throat. It's gonna be a unifying moment and see out the straighted football.
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Speaker 6: This is it. And the AFL has set this hump up for derision because of the process. Yeah. And I was having a chat at home with my oldest son last night and he said, you know what, I he said, umpires are such an important part of the game, he said, but this annoys me so much that I reckon if that guy is at Adelaide like umpiring the next time he's umpiring a game in Adelaide. Two things the AFL has done. One, it's made sure that everybody in Australia knows in Nick Foot is he's gone from unknown person the household name in seventy two hours. But b it's also made him a figure of ridicule. And it's not completely hatred of Umpires. It's being told what to think by the AFL on the basis of its not even flimsy evidence. There is no admissible eviden it's in a court of law that they have used to make this decision.
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Speaker 5: Hence my reference to the streisand effect yesterday. In trying to protect his integrity, all they've done is brought small scrutiny on his integrity than there ever would have been before.
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Speaker 6: But if I was at the foot, if that guy walked past me, and I was dan near the players, I don't think I'd be able to help myself. I just I think the sentence would just it would come just streaming out of your mouth, as if you were speaking in tongues where you just you were filled with the Yobo spirit and you just had to say, mate, how much are they playing you?
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Speaker 5: How many times You're going to hear that for the rest of his career.
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Speaker 6: He's going to hear it if he does what the other tribunal members and gets in the car and nips out and goes to the shops. You'll hear it at the shops, Tony. It everywhere.
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Speaker 5: In fact, we've got a guy, guy, there's so many texts coming through. A guy says, well said, lad's the afol escalated a misunderstanding between two individuals into an embarrassing charade. Tony makes a great point here. Tony says, goodbye to postmatch interviews if they're going to be used against players as evidence.
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Speaker 6: One hundred percent. Well great, really.
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Speaker 5: Good point, great point, Tony. All right, well there are a million text coming through. Apologies why we don't read the ball, but we were going about.
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Speaker 6: What about seriously just putting in a test, say in a film context, so you think about you know, a guy like Dez Foster Des Foster will go to his grave inviting genuine back and forth Rgie Bargie about the phil Galia free kick. He's spoken about it publicly, you know. But back in the seventies, if a player said something one un't the ump will turn around and say something back, and then they probably end up having a beer occasionally. But now it's like the most pathetic part of it is Butter's at the end of the ar mate, you know what was that all about? I can't even talk to you? Yeah, but are you going to go and sit in your little wellness corner? Are we all in grade three of a sudden great chapter for the AFIL.
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Speaker 5: A good texts twenty three minutes after six A lot of good techs. We'll we might get to some more of those shortly. Speaking of judging, David and whilst we're on a run being critical of entities making judgments. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame have Remember we did the nominees list. We're very excited to pick through the nominees. Their full list of new inductees has now been whittled down to one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, Eight bands have made it. I wonder if you remember who was on the list well enough to note what I think is the notable omission. Should we go through those that have made it? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Phil Collins makes it in No Grapes with Phil Collins.
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Speaker 6: No good, fair enough.
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Speaker 5: They haven't finagled the definition of rock and roll, but that's been prosecuted in the past. If anyone wondering, we've been through that one rock Late converts outd Pnburby too Oasis. You didn't used to like Oasis, did you? Oasis? Now in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Wait, this one is for ol Bow.
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Speaker 6: Adulted tones of the late Ian Curtis. I'm not sure if we were in the T shirt again anytime soon? All right? Also making it.
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Speaker 5: Weather, I don't know having the recording, Billy, sorry about that.
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Speaker 6: That wasn't the one that That wasn't the one that made it to the rock and roll Billy Idol did though, and so too did not that.
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Speaker 7: To swim.
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Speaker 6: Then that's when you opened your heart and you.
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Speaker 8: Told me, Lucas, I'll tell you what if you heard of a text line, you missed the visual spectacle of Will doing the White Man over By?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I got Rhythm, Luther Vandross, the Wu Tang Clan, David made it Joy Division, Iron Maiden No in excess.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 5: I wonder I don't know enough about the voting of the Hall of Fame. But I can put it down to one of two things. Either it's one of those situations where they don't let they don't put you in your first go you know, you need a couple of nominations before they put you through. Or two, one of the judges was driving his car at the time and wasn't concentrated exactly.
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Speaker 6: They lost one of the judges because he's whipped out for a sandwich. Can we get Chris Krakas on the Chief Justice? Has he retired? Are you allowed to leave court during during the actual deliberations to go and do something else, like if Christmas sales are on or something. How rampant is this mobe It's going on all the time. I'm just trying to think that was it? Derek Bolom, Justice Derek Bollom, the beer Man's Judge. Didn't he get in trouble once for not paying attention during during a court case? I don't know there was there was, there was some Let's not let's ship because it's just not I'm not impugning his reputation.
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Speaker 5: Let's not impugne the reputation of our wonderful judges by comparing them with the AFL Tribune.
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Speaker 6: Shall we correct even we would be my whole point this morning. We've been tut tarted in the past. Could take they can take a leaf out of the book of our duty. The AFL will be much better shape. We draw the line somewhere. Let's have a look at the weather for today. Twenty three degrees and sunny the expected top no rain, light winds. Beautiful sort of day today Tomorrow similar sunny Tomorrow twenty three, Friday twenty two, Saturday up to twenty six now Saturday twenty sixth Sunday twenty five. Sonny in partly glad with those two days Monday twenty three Tuesday twenty six. What a beautiful seven days we've got it on. It's good because it felt like winter had arrived too early, didn't they. That's no good at all, speaking of never arriving too early.
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Speaker 5: Tom Wren Colours Custom Design, anyhouse, any style, glotter or garage doors glotter or dot com dot are you boy here? Boys banged on about the Butter's trial for the last twenty five minutes.
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Speaker 6: You probably wanted to talk about it.
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Speaker 10: No, it's all It's everything everyone's talking about at the moment. Look, I was there yesterday.
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Speaker 11: It did feel like, and I've heard your comments, a kangaroo court, felt like it was all sort of preordained. The decision had been made, you know, probably a day or so earlier. A couple of points. For me, I'm intrigued. Brownlow night, Zach Butter's was probably the best man on the ground, if not second. They lost by fourteen points, but he got nine coaches votes, so nine out of it possible.
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Speaker 10: Again, does he get a brown Low vote? I wonder that'll be fascinating.
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Speaker 6: Oh, that will be fascinating.
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Speaker 10: So round five.
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Speaker 6: Mark that in the diary. That's probably the most interesting thing that will happen on Brown Lane if they give it a cripper again.
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Speaker 11: Or something exactly. So keep keep it close eye on that. The other thing too, I thought we've had some really good calls and texts. But if they were fair thinking about this, it does feel like the AFL is being half pregnant if they were genuine Zach.
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Speaker 10: But does a get a four week suspension.
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Speaker 11: Completely or a six week suspension if you genuinely but they've sort of gone on, let's just get this one sign and.
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Speaker 6: Well, okay, So let's put it in the context of the homophobia stuff with the Saints player, who I think rightly nine weeks ye second offense, second offense. But is the benchmark now that if you suggest, well, let's say suggest, if you accuse an AFL player of corruption, you find one thousand, five hundred dollars in are allowed to play the following week.
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Speaker 10: And I think it comes down to there's no evidence, I believe it. Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 6: And then the other it's actually horse shit.
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Speaker 11: And the other thing too is if I was poor and that they've got far sharper minds than me. But I had a good mate of mind point out if I was poor in the testimony, obviously you're trying to discredit, you know, the opposing person.
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Speaker 10: You're trying to prosecute or defend.
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Speaker 11: And with Nick Foot, I think five seconds the free kick that led to it, he said I'm paying the fifty you know, the free kick because he had a handful of his jumper. You know, say Jordan Sweet had a handful of Mitchell's jump out. Now the footage clearly shows he didn't. So if I was the counsel, I'd say, well, if you can't get that right, Yeah, you clearly got that wrong. How could you possibly think you have heard something which you think you heard is so discrediting that way, I don't know.
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Speaker 6: But none of your senses work, none of you exactly work, then how can your ears work?
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Speaker 5: So anyway, that's that's.
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Speaker 6: In the criminal or they call that like an insanity defense, which is I've just got voices in.
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Speaker 10: The head stuff and look, I think now.
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Speaker 6: Stuff And I think Zach Butters said it holistically.
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Speaker 11: David koshould come on, I'm sure they'll fight it. It's ten grand and it's it's a matter of defending now, you know.
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Speaker 5: Also it's an investment in a bloke who might be looking at leaving at the.
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Speaker 10: End of the dict. That's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 11: And the other thing too, for Port it is and will you you mentioned it and might have you been having a bit of fun with it? A unifying thing? But I think for Port from a pr perspective, it's actually not a bad thing completely. It's you know, they've got Crows fans saying we're with you.
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Speaker 6: You know, I've never been.
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Speaker 11: More Yeah, and the common enemy, unfortunately is Nick Foot and the AFL. I didn't no issue he can't umpire here in Adelaide Kenny Well, their listeners said, he is. Yeah that we've been getting a lot of that feedback. It's it seems wild to.
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Speaker 6: Get the little wellness center ready for him. Case is another Hurt Feelings episode on You Ready.
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Speaker 5: Thanks boys, We are the People's programmed David and our Iron Maiden fan listeners are outraged that of all the bands that we played, Iron Maiden didn't get a bell.
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Speaker 6: Can I just say I agree with he where's a bit of you know, six six six, the number of the beasts we to get your day started.
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Speaker 5: We hear the criticism, We take it on board and we're going to play a bit of Iron Maiden for you. On the other side of the five to Blame.
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Speaker 5: Twenty two minutes to seven, asking you shall receive Iron Maiden fans still.
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Speaker 6: Sex Sex Sex.
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Speaker 5: Apparently playing later in the year, according to a few of our listeners on the text line as well as here before eight zero eight third ninety five Iron Maiden insulted into the Rock and Roll Hall.
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Speaker 6: All of Fame joined us. They played at the Entertainment Center about five years ago and it was absolutely fantastic. You know. Their lead singer, Bruce Dickinson is regarded as a polymath, which by definition is someone who's achieved at the highest level in a whole bunch of different fields. He's got a pilot's license, Captain's the Eddie, the private jet that I made and travel on. He speaks a foreign language. He's presented his own radio show. He's written a book that shouldn't qualify. No, it should be a black mark against your name anyhow, if we can do that. And then he's also appeared in the Olympics as a fencer. Unbelievable, total renaissance. That's phenomenal. There are so many texts about the butter stuff. We're going to get to them and we'll do a few now. And just scathing, absolutely absolutely scathing. Greg says the AFL tribunal's made a rod for their backs if they ever turned this decision on appeal. They're bringing a question the reasoning for fining against butters despite a lack of evidence. If they don't overturn their decision despite zero evidence, the integrity of the tribunal is shot. And a lot of people are quoting Dennis Denuto from the manner of the vibe, the vibe it's marbo. But you know, couple of craze tragics saying, oh, you know whatever, who cares or move on? But no, we felt like this was one worth. It's just outrageous, jumping in boots and all on.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's have some of the things that are going on. QUANDUS is going to halt all flights between Adelaide and Mount Gambia from next month. Now here's their reason. They're saying their fuel bill will have increased eight hundred million dollars for the first half of this year. It's not just Adelaide Mount Gambia that's getting the chop. There will be five percent of domestic flights from May eighteen till June thirty that simply won't exist. Domestic airfares will increase as well. Concerned primarily is obviously always around what's happening here in South Australia. So lots of people have been having this say about what the impact of the removal of that Adelaie in Mount Gambia. Flight will be including the premiere.
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Speaker 6: It's fair to say we expressed at disappontment. It's a quantists to put it politely.
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Speaker 7: But at the same time I know that this will be an opportunity for ex Alliance, which has had its own difficulties and they are the dominant carrier to maur Gambia and I wish them every success.
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Speaker 6: So it's the premier. Here's Peter Subermanium from the AMA on what this might mean.
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Speaker 12: It's a five barle drive for many older patients and those who are not feeling well. That's a lot in our return world journey, and so it's not a practical substitute for a flight. So it affects book specialists and doctors attending Mark Gambia and also patients coming from Mount Gambia to Adelaide.
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Speaker 5: This is one of those stories where well conscious will say the flights were only twenty percent full. The problem is those twenty percent really needed it. Yeah, let's go to the city of Mount Gambia, Mayor Lynette Martin who joins us now. Mayor, good morning to you.
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Speaker 13: And good morning to you.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for coming on Mayor. It's a tough situation for people in Mount Gambia, particularly the elderly and the infirm. But can I ask what does it mean in a material sense? Are there REX flights daily from Mount Gambia to Mount Gambier, Yes.
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Speaker 13: There are, there are, But obviously this Quantous decision is very disappointing news for the city of Mount Gambia and the Limestone Coast. I mean, you'd be aware. Mount Gambia is the second largest city in South Australia and the largest regional center in the state, and we serve as a community of one hundred and thirty thousand people, And as has already been mentioned by the doctor, our community rely on this service for access to Adelaide for various reasons including health care, business, education and leisure. And then on the other hand, the travel enabled visiting medical practitioners and specialists to fly in and fly out to service the Mount Gambia Hospital and provide support to our community. So yes, it certainly does have an impact on our community.
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Speaker 6: But to the point that Quantus has made though about patronage, if only one in five seats is full, does that not mean that hopefully people who are in all those very important positions, and then on top of that, you know the economic benefits of tourism too, you know, that's right. Can those people all move over to rex or will become a situation where you might not be able to get flights?
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Speaker 14: Yes, I think it will.
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Speaker 13: And it's interesting you mentioned tourism there, but when Quantus first introduced this service, they promoted the route as servicing the tourism market. And what they said was you could check your baggage in Mount Gambia and you could travel to Rome or wherever, providing Quantus link there and you could collect your bag then you wouldn't have to touch it on the way through. That's well and good. It's also interesting to note that the Limestone Coast recorded six hundred and sixty two million dollars in visitor expenditure in twenty twenty four, and that is more than that of the Barossa Valley and Kangaroo Island combined. So and this has a direct impact on our tourism industry, which supports around three two hundred jobs. And with the increased international flights into Adelaide, we will miss out on an opportunity to grow that market.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, No, it's a big it's a big hit for Mount Gambia, that's for sure. City Mount Gamia mail Lunette Martin, thank you for joining us this morning.
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Speaker 5: I particularly concern too. I think it's hard to imagine that June thirty date they've sort of, you know, said we're going to cancel flights for this period May eighteen, June thirty. Tad to imagine there's anything that's going to change quickly enough to mean that's not extended. Yeah, I can't foresee any circumstances which they say, well, everything will return to normal in two months.
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Speaker 6: No, but I would defend Quantity's reasoning for doing this. Sure, like it's a huge amount of money. They got eight hundred million dollars. That's the increase. That's the increase, that's right. Their fuel bills now more than three billion, but for bob billion dollars. Imagine that. I thought filling up car the other day was bad.
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Speaker 5: Well, and we still have in the ocean, I mean, so slow moving is sea freight that we haven't even hit the shortage component of what's been going on yet. So the price is going to get worse before they get better, all right, Let's talk about the weather, because the weather is one thing that we can say. It looks spectacular for the next seven days. Ursula Connor from the Weather Bureau will explain, morning.
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Speaker 6: Oshla morning, how are we going. Yeah, it looks but we're well. Looks terrific out there.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, very clear skies through the Adelaide area today and really across much of the state. That has caused some sort of cooler overnight temperatures. Last night we saw Adelaide get down to around nine degrees, but out towards sort of like the Barossa we were down around five degrees, So pretty chilly start to the day. But look, we're looking at a pretty sunny day ahead. Adelaide headed for a top of twenty three, Glenelg twenty two, Elizabeth twenty four, nor Lngar twenty two, and Mount Barker twenty three degrees today and we see a pretty similar story as you said, for the week ahead. There will be a bit of a cold front slip through sort of the southeastern parts of the state on Thursday, so that could just bring a bit of cloud through the area. On Friday, maybe the chance of a shower about the Adelaide hills, but really.
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Speaker 16: Not expecting much.
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Speaker 15: And then we slide into a pretty sunny weekend temperature study to warm up with some northerly winds on Saturday and then maybe the chance of a light shower on Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 6: Good stuff. Hula Isshula Connor there from the weather Bureau.
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Speaker 5: Right, it said to say Polson you Constable Kimberly broad joins us. Kimberly a drunk driver was involved in a crash at Clearview.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it was just after midnight. We were called to Guilford Treid at Clearview after a Honda cit and crashed into an SUV and the Honda driver allegedly fled the scene. He eventually returned to the crash site and spoke with police, where he was submitted to a breath test. It's alleged a twenty four year old man from Salisbury, North returned to our blood alcohol reading of zero point two three seven, almost five times for legal limits, and further checks on on his license revealed that he's never held one. So he was reported for drink driving, leaving the scene of a crash, and driving unlicensed and he'll be appearing in court in it.
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Speaker 6: At a lad to day go zero point three. That's like Becka actually just killing d first see with me. Yeah, yeah, totally Kimmery. Also, an extreme speeder has been stopped in Herbrae overnight.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, and unfortunately he's a pea player. So this is about a twenty Last night police were conducting speed detection duties on crossroad at Myrtle Bank. They've detected a b BMW sid and traveling out one hundred and twenty six kilometers. That's obviously a sixty zone there, so that's well and truly over the speed limit. Police stop the driver found that he was only on his probationary license. So it's a seventeen year old boy from Herbray. He's been reported for aggravated extreme speed also with breaching the conditions of his license. He's been issued with a twelve month instant loss of license and his car's been impounded and again he'll be appearing in court at a Ladda date.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, hard to imagine what's going through some people's minds, if indeed anything. Kimberley brought there from Sapal thing. Thank you so much for that drunk.
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Speaker 5: Driver crashed at Clearview six times the legal limit, never held a license. What's the downside with that person just spending a bit of time out of society. I'm just wondering, is are they going to will with a mandated reflection? Will kids in the sort of pediatric surgery ward no longer be attended to? If that person's sort of out of circulation. Will there be a charity that's not being run?
00:30:23
Speaker 6: I wonder what the final will be. Wonderf it will be as big as the one Zach Butter's has got to pay.
00:30:30
Speaker 5: Andy and Henley Beach is called it with the traffic update morning Andy, Good.
00:30:35
Speaker 17: Thanks Andy, ride fasting Harborton.
00:30:39
Speaker 18: Just don't say the shell petrol station, middle end of a truck rocking dot.
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Speaker 6: No a shocking spot two lanes there too. Yeah, good on you Andy, Thanks mate. That's it. That's not going to be great. All right.
00:30:51
Speaker 5: We'll try and avoid that if you if you possibly can, but it's one of its it's tricky to do so. Getting a few texts about the Quantus situation with the cancelation flights to Mount Gambia.
00:31:01
Speaker 6: One he's saying, remember all the money Contus kept due to COVID. That's right, they got quite a lot of job keeper, well documented in the excellent book by Joe Aston The Chairman's Lounge. Greg says airlines are not a charity. If they're only filling one in five seats, the economics don't stack up. If the service was considered to be critical, it could be subsidized by the state government, as has been the case in the past. However, talking about the economics, to Greg's point, this is how economics also works, Meg says boys ree quantas as a Southeast resident. Does this now mean without the competition, Rex puts up the price of its flights even more. My last Mount Gamby to Adelaide flight costs seven hundred and forty dollars seven one hundred and forty and it was one way. Criky. You can get to Balley for less than that. What does it take?
00:31:53
Speaker 5: How much petrol would it cost to go from matt Gamby to Adelaide?
00:31:56
Speaker 6: Now two tanks, Well it depends what you're driving.
00:31:59
Speaker 5: Two tanks reasonably what you could be You could take an ev in two and three days recharging to get there, but tw hundred bucks to drive now one hundred and fifty in the current Well, yeah, I'm just I'm just on, like haven't been largely a Highlights owner for the last ten years and having one that's got good fuel economy now because it's the cheap and cheerful.
00:32:23
Speaker 6: Entry level one unladed, I'd say two tanks.
00:32:27
Speaker 5: What have we got any listeners who regularly make the community?
00:32:30
Speaker 6: What does it cost you? Yeah?
00:32:33
Speaker 5: Maybe a hundred bucks? Yeah at the moment. Well, we've got to listens that regularly make the commute letters any Yeah, depending on.
00:32:42
Speaker 2: Your car, lockdown, build two with metro homes, sell one and move on. Kipp they other as an investment. Metro homes.
00:32:51
Speaker 3: They do it all for you.
00:32:53
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00:33:00
Speaker 5: Five minutes to seven. We're going to spin the wheel and give away a care alert smart watch in just a moment. These are great devices. We get so much wonderful feedback about them from our listeners. We're gonna give another one away in just a moment. Speaking of well, just smart decisions if you're in a position to make them. A lot of people are trying to avoid paying petrol at the moment if you can, and it's a bit of a luxury for people that live in the city. You've got public transport at your disposal. Some people, as we've explored on this program, have been going down the path of the electric vehicle. What about the good old fashioned bicycle. Now, you cycled to work a couple of years back, didn't you.
00:33:37
Speaker 6: I've found it really quite invigorating. I arrived at work feeling it was not very long ride, but only a few CA's, but it was refreshing.
00:33:45
Speaker 5: It would be refreshing some of the mornings at the moment. Bailey Underwood runs by, say Bailey, good morning to you. Are we seeing or are you seeing any evidence Bailey that people are turning to the bicycle at a time of cost of living pressure.
00:33:58
Speaker 19: Good morning.
00:33:59
Speaker 20: Yes, we are seeing some people start to consider the bicycle in place of perhaps using their car. We're seeing a one hundred and thirty six percent increase in bike sales nationally. Some bike stores are reporting, and we're also hearing from our Bike Casay members just of there's quite widespread reports about increased riders out there on the streets and the paths. So people are certainly considering it and some are already starting to shift the way that they're getting around.
00:34:31
Speaker 6: Well, when you think about it, Bailey, I mean, you know, you don't have to worry about regio, you don't have to worry about petrol. And as I said, you know because I used to ride all the time when I was young at at Uni. I didn't even bother get my license till I was twenty one or two, because I used to ride everywhere. It's actually like a sort of life affirming thing. I reckon. It's enjoyable, makes you feel.
00:34:52
Speaker 20: Good, it's a brilliant feeling being on the bike. It's a it's a highly fun activity. It's a great recreational activit good way to stay fit and healthy. But you're right, it's also a very cost effective way to get around. You're not paying for petrol, you're not paying for insurance for your bike, and you're not paying for the cost of parking either. So if you're looking for a way to get from A to B, if you've got some short trips that you need to take, replacing the car for the bike for a couple of those trips is a really good way to save a little bit in the household budget, especially at a time like this when steel costs are just so astronomically high.
00:35:33
Speaker 5: And I imagine Bailey cycling infrastructure whilst driving a lot of our drivers around. The Twist probably has changed the bike riding experience in Adelade significantly over the last couple of decades. So if you are like David and you roaded once twenty years ago, I assume it's a much easier experience now, would that be right?
00:35:51
Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, it's getting that way. There's still plenty of areas for improvement. But you know, a lot of our cycling route are quiet suburban backstreets, so if you're looking to get into the city, there's often a quiet way to go away from the main roads. It's just about finding where is your local route into town or down to the shops, and you just need to know where that is and then how to navigate it. There's always room for improvement, of course, I mean, riding through the parklands is brilliant, but generally once you get into the CBDs, generally where the barrier is for a few people, you've got a lot of traffic and there's not a lot of options for safe or separated cycling there. So that's a big opportunity we see kind of over the next decade is trying to get some improvements there, but look, by and large, cycling is a safe, enjoyable and very affordable activity.
00:36:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, good stuff, Bailey, You've piqued my interest in dusting off the old trek and getting it out of the shed. Bailey Underwood by ksa business services manager, speaking of cyclists, can I just say Superintendent Shane Johnson started the hour talking about the wokeness of the AFL Well, I just think this whole thing's such. I know that procedurally SAPOL might think it has to get to the bottom of what this bloke was doing taking a selfie on his bicycle. He's just competed in a big race. He's proud of himself, he's had a good time. He's in a suburban backstreet. For a split second he picks off a selfie and some gnat dobs him in. I just think, what was the Clive James quote where you're not a nation of convicts, were a nation of prison guards.
00:37:34
Speaker 5: It's very accurate, think about it. But the most disturbing thing about that story. Sure, he's paid the fine. He's the head of traffic. He said, I got it wrong. I need to set an example. That's fine, he's the subject of an internal investigation. I would despair at the thought that anyone charged with investigating anything in SA Paul spends a second of their time getting to the bottom of this one.
00:37:56
Speaker 6: Did there the investigation go. Yeah, we had a bit of a look at that one. Noted anything beyond that He's paid the fine. Yeah, going to rest in people with machetes.
00:38:08
Speaker 2: Knockdown bill two with metro homes, sell one and move on, keep the other as an investments.
00:38:14
Speaker 3: Metro homes. They do it all for you.
00:38:17
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00:38:22
Speaker 6: Well, didn't have a lot to s.
00:38:25
Speaker 5: Seven after seven good Body TV joining us for the first time on this Wednesday, the fifteen debate for a really beautiful set of weather coming up over the course of the next seven days, the sun streaming through the window here in Heinmarch Square as we speak. Fiery first hour of the program. The text line went into overdrive as we had a closer look at the Afield Tribunals assessment of the Zach Butter's case last night. We'll talk more about that very shortly. A lot of other issues too that garnered a great deal of interest, including the Mount Gambia Condus flight being canned.
00:38:58
Speaker 6: For the foreseeable future.
00:38:59
Speaker 5: We've made some calls to Rex Airlines about how that might look into the end of June to get a sense for our Matt Gambie listeners what that might mean. So we'll talk more about that as well shortly. Also, the blockade of the Strait of Hormu's. What will Australia's contribution be if anything is conversations going on that have been confirmed by our government. We're regarding discussion with our alliance partners about what freeing up shipping might look like. The UYS would like to see us contribute to the blockade. I'm sure how effective is that going to be? What concerns does it raise? Jennifer Parker will join us very shortly to dissect that, and doctor David Kosh, Honorary Doctor at Flindy's University beyond the program. I suspect he will sound like a doctor of law when it comes to the Zach Butter's case. Before eight o'clock when he joins us live on five to Blow Breakfast. Kieran texted in a short time ago. We wanted to give Kieran a call to explore this a little bit further. Kieran, good morning to you.
00:39:56
Speaker 21: Gooday boys, how are you?
00:39:57
Speaker 6: Yeah? Good, thank you Kierra.
00:40:00
Speaker 21: Yeah, Look, we operate an allied health company out of Mount Gambia. There's a shoe shortage in therapist stance. We fly them in all of Australia, Melbourne and Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane, and the past months we've seen a definite increase in the delays and the cancelations of flights and were obviously the Corannas not flying down now it puts a bit more pressure on Rex to be able to deliver. If we don't go there, there's hundreds of kids and adults that don't get services. We sort of see about two hundred and fifty clients every fortnight on a rotating basis. And yeah, so obviously we're a bit worried, but we have obviously looked at other options we are instead of flying, we can drive there, we can get buses there. So from our side, it's business as usual. We've got a lot of different avenues that we're going to make sure our therapists continue to go there to see those clients because if we're not there, the reality is that they miss out on vital services.
00:40:53
Speaker 5: So the service not on a threat, hearan is what you see, not on the threat.
00:40:56
Speaker 21: No, not from outside.
00:40:58
Speaker 7: It's business as usual.
00:40:59
Speaker 21: Obviously, it's more costs if we've got to drive their Petro with a lot more expensive. It's already expensive. You know, we're driving to Haywood to Millicine to warn and ball from Mountcambia, So the cost of fuel place the biggest impact on us. But you know, we've seen a definite decline in the flights and how reliable they are, which is why we've had to look at other options. But I guess the important thing from Marsie is if you can get ahead of the curve and we can ensure that these guys are in that Gambia, we don't want them to be disadvantaged because of whatever whatever else is happening. Yeah, so as we're able to find other ways to service them, absolutely we'll do that.
00:41:37
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, it's a good call, Kieran, Thanks for doing that because it's a peace of mind for a lot of your clients. Kieran calling in there about health services in the southeast.
00:41:44
Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about the Zech Butter situation. Because people are angry. In fact, I would say unprecedented is the level of anger on this point alone. Crows fans are texting and insolidarity with bored So I just stating to Sam Dado.
00:41:59
Speaker 6: And the tea room and he said, it's great to see us Crows and Port people on a UNI ticket on something for once.
00:42:07
Speaker 5: It's hard to imagine the scenario until now where the AFL could stuff something up so badly that Crows and Port people were on the same side. Yeah, but here we are, Eddie Summerfield is covering it for three aw in Melbourne, Eddie, what's the reaction been like across the border.
00:42:21
Speaker 18: See something that summed up power and Throes fans united on an issue. That just shows how big, how much of a stuff up this has been from the AFL. I think we all could have gone to bed a little bit easier last night had the AFL published the reasons behind the guilty verdicts. But the fact was that Tribunal Chair ren A n Bomb set a deadline for the case.
00:42:46
Speaker 17: That caught it a six.
00:42:47
Speaker 18: Melbourne time and they reconvened and they said guilty, We're released the findings tomorrow. I cannot recall a time in my time, I'm covering Footy that there has been the findings delayed from a tribunal case. So we've got port Adelaide who now go, well, we'd like to appeal the decision, but we don't know on what grounds because we haven't got the findings yet.
00:43:16
Speaker 13: So what it means.
00:43:17
Speaker 18: We saw Zach Butters at Elberton last night saying that he stands by exactly what he said and that obviously they are looking at if they can appeal and we'll find out more from David Kosh later this morning on the program.
00:43:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got Cushy coming up before eight o'clock. But any it's just from a sort of quasi legal perspective, like as far as we have been able to glean in the discussions we've had this morning, there's there's five things that are wrong with this. The flimsiness of the evidence, the fact that there were two people proffering the Zach Butter's version of events versus one i e. Nick Foote. Then there was the fact that, as you said, the reasoning wasn't really be east. Then on top of that, what about this element too that one of the tribunal members on the face of it, wasn't even paying attention. He was driving his car while they were deliberating. And then finally, the absurd scenario with the AFL, is that serious about the sanctity of the umpire's reputation. We now have a president where the fine for suggesting an umpire might be corrupt and on the take is a fifteen hundred dollars five and you're free to play next Saturday.
00:44:28
Speaker 18: Well that's the most bizarre thing about it, isn't it. So you can accuse the umpire of cheating and you'll be hit with a fifteen hundred fine. Or the twenty two years ago James Herd went on the footage show and that would similar. I'm sure this is after the heat of a contest, so maybe they're a bit more calpulated, and he got fined twenty thousand dollars. So I don't know what inflation's doing at the AFL as far as the as far as the evidence goes, and the AFL's case was heavily trying to argue the discrepancy between what Butter said Inney Channels seven interview with Xander McGuire postgame and the evidence that was presented to the tribunal in the interview, but has said that he said, in the heat of the moment, how is that a free kick? While at the tribunal he said that he said, surely that's not a free kick. So that's the case that the AFL were trying to take, but with no hard evidence.
00:45:22
Speaker 6: And we know the.
00:45:23
Speaker 18: Umpires are micd up. We know how loud the crowd was because we couldn't hear anything on the microphone. So surely it's a case of we understand what you might have said, Umpire Nick Foot, we understand what you think you said, Zach, butters the middle ground is that we couldn't hear what exactly was said, and you're both right, but there's no penalty for either of you.
00:45:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would have been sanity prevailing, but it did not. Unfortunately this goes Eddie.
00:45:49
Speaker 6: Thank you.
00:45:50
Speaker 5: Eddie Summerfield, Threw's sports reporter there. Eddie McGuire was on with Rowe and Timmy g last night.
00:45:57
Speaker 6: He's a bit of what he had to say.
00:45:58
Speaker 1: I would have thought the results to out of the tribune, or would have been to say, Zach, we take you and we take your captain at your word, because you were both there. For some reason, the microphone hasn't worked. I would have thought that the umpire would have maybe said, well, this is what I thought he said, but I'll take it on board, and why don't we just shake hands and move on.
00:46:18
Speaker 5: I would have thought, if you're going to have any pretense of legal process, all you could say in the end is on the balance of evidence, we couldn't prosecute Zach Bartas, but we would reiterate to all of our players that it is beyond the pale to impugne the reputation of our umpires, and that's how this should have resolved.
00:46:36
Speaker 6: Well, there's people in the media have been sanctioned for that too. Correct, what do you want to name it?
00:46:44
Speaker 7: Is?
00:46:44
Speaker 6: He? Come on, someone who has unfortunately considerab experience on that front. Unfortunately, the microphone has worked every time for Stephen right, not only that they actually record the whole thing. Can play it back, Yeah, you certainly can do. I need to do a bit of spinning. Yeah, let's spin that wheel. We've got to Carol.
00:47:05
Speaker 5: Let's watch to give away, keep getting carried away with other things.
00:47:09
Speaker 6: Give it a spin.
00:47:10
Speaker 5: Every number corresponds with a birth year, For example, seventeen means nineteen forty two. So someone who's eighty four or turning eighty four this year nineteen forty two, the year the Manhattan Project began to develop the atomic bomb. Amazing, nineteen forty two was deployed by nineteen forty five, So three years later is all it took. With the industrial might the US and all the scientific knowledge of ex German scientists and the US knowledge that have been put together.
00:47:45
Speaker 6: Did you see Oppenheimer? Yeah? I did, I haven't seen it. Is it good?
00:47:49
Speaker 5: It's it's an epic, Yeah, it's it's it's not a rewatchable.
00:47:53
Speaker 6: Put it that way.
00:47:54
Speaker 5: It's a very artistic treatment of both the development of the bomb and indeed the assessment of how the US Congress treated it and people who oversaw it. It was featuring some wonderful, wonderful performances, but it's a long, heavy, artistic treatment of the whole thing, is how I would describe it. Yeah, brilliant, but you're not going to flip it on on a random Friday night with a glass of red wine and that this would be a rollicking time. It's no caddy shack. It's no caddy shack. That's a better way of putting it.
00:48:28
Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with Metro Homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
00:48:35
Speaker 18: They do it all for you.
00:48:36
Speaker 4: David Penbervie and Will Goodings five Double a Breakfast.
00:48:41
Speaker 5: Someone in the text line disputes my Oppenheimer review, which is fair enough. They say, sure, I'm a movie buff enough. This is the text in it speaking. But I've watched Oppenheimer five times now. It gets better with every watch, imminently rewatchable. Well, thank you for that review. If people haven't seen it, you can check it out. I'm going to check it out and make up your own mind.
00:49:02
Speaker 6: Now.
00:49:03
Speaker 5: Other texts, Quentin says, can I fell for some reason, I've decided to turn the Southern Expressway into the Southern Bloody car Park at the new off ramp. A lot of people have felt that way regularly in twenty twenty six, and lots of feedback still on the AFL's decision regarding Zach Butter's and I think they're batting at about ninety nine point nine percent.
00:49:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, the AFL is a joke. Yep, no one's no one's cheering them on at all, and.
00:49:31
Speaker 5: Now Sandy and Westlakes might have broken the record for the fastest person to call in when the wheel was spun. I think I'd barely explained that seventeen it correlated with nineteen forty two before Sandy got on the blur and gave us a call, and then the process won itself a Carolan smart watch. Sandy, good morning to you and congratulations.
00:49:52
Speaker 22: Oh good morning. But more importantly, I'm a poor Adelaide supporter too.
00:49:57
Speaker 6: What are you free to?
00:49:58
Speaker 10: Oh?
00:49:59
Speaker 15: My god?
00:50:00
Speaker 6: More is yours?
00:50:02
Speaker 22: Oh no, I got nothing more to say than what you guys have already said. You're marvelous.
00:50:06
Speaker 6: Well it's funny, isn't it. I don't know if you heard me say before, Sandy, but you know how big a port tragic our own Sam Dado is. Yep, cause a lot of the Port games. We're just laughing over a coffee during the seven o'clock news that we've got this new spirit of unity between Port and Crows people on this silly issue.
00:50:25
Speaker 22: Unbelievable. Yeah, anyway, I'm eighty four.
00:50:28
Speaker 21: What else do you need to know?
00:50:29
Speaker 6: You've satisfied the criteria of the competition as aenny so tell us a bit about yourself. Andy, Have you always been a westlakes Port adelaide sevenfore Neck of the Woods girl.
00:50:42
Speaker 22: Well, since i've been in Australia where you started off and kill Kenny, Yes, but we've always been port supporters. Yes, yeah, but I was actually born in Altringham in England.
00:50:52
Speaker 6: Oh really wow.
00:50:54
Speaker 22: So I came over when I was three and I am now one of those poor, unfortunate people that has bought a cruise around Ireland and cannot go until I get a British give a break.
00:51:10
Speaker 6: Yes, ridiculous on their own What did I think?
00:51:13
Speaker 22: On their own?
00:51:14
Speaker 7: People?
00:51:14
Speaker 5: For it's a really good thing you bring up, Sandy. Some people have been flying there and have been caught out where the husband can get in because they've got an Australian passport and that's just it. But then the wife gets stopped at the gates. I mean, there's ludicrous situations.
00:51:27
Speaker 6: Well.
00:51:27
Speaker 22: The very interesting thing is that when I was married two days later we went to England. My husband a Scottish heritage, and we went to England and because I was a British citizen with a British passport by the way, I got in and my new husband back in the day when everything was man centered. My husband could come in as my dependent and I bet you're like.
00:51:55
Speaker 6: That, Sandy. I loved it, he said his love to get the chat with you.
00:52:00
Speaker 5: Congratulations, you've got the carol It smart watch coming at your way, e Sastic. That'll be great, great price, great project. And it looked no better endorsement than the fact that Sandy rang in. We timed it three tenths of a second. I think it took it to call in when her birth year was announced as the as the criteria for winning. Let's talk about what's the biggest story in the world. It continues to be a small body of water strait by the name of Rmoz, where twenty percent of the world's oil traverses will Historically it has right now that slowed to an absolute trickle. The US now blockading the strait. With that blockade is in effect with a view to strangling the Iranian economy and trying to come at them from that angle. Now, interestingly, from the Australian perspective, beyond pain at the petrol pump, the Australian government, by way of the Defense Industry Minister Pat Conroy confirmed overnight that Australia will take part in discussions about a potential naval mission to the Strait, alongside forty other nations. Jennifer Parker is an expert Associate at the National Security College at a and U and joins US now. Jennifer, good morning to you. What does that look like? Do you imagine Australia's contribution to an international effort like that? And exactly when would that happen? Given our ally in the US is blockading at the moment, presumably our mission and our role alongside our allies would have been freeing up shipping, would it not.
00:53:27
Speaker 16: So?
00:53:27
Speaker 13: I guess.
00:53:27
Speaker 23: So when we think about the blockade, its important to clarify what the US is blockading. The US is not blockading the Strait of holl Moves, despite Trump's comment. The US is blockading Iranian ports and the coastline, so ship's going in and out of Iran, so ships coming from anywhere else are free to go through the Strait of holl Moves. When it comes to what Australia's role would be, look, it's not clear. This international coalition hasn't been established there it still seems to be very much focused on talks previously, I've been involved in an international coalition that was aimed at assuring shipping through the straight UFOW moves. At that point, Australia sent a bunch of staff planning stuff, a maritime patrol aircraft and a ship. I think at this stage we're unlikely to send a ship, but if it gets to the point where a pubalition is actually established, which hasn't happened yet, we could send staff. We could send some mind clarance capabilities or maritime patrol aircraft.
00:54:22
Speaker 6: Do you think do you get the sense, Jennifer, Because there's been some sort of left field contributions to all this overnight, including the Spanish president, President Sanchez talking about maybe getting China to be like a sort of neutral arbiter of some sort of outcome. Then France is having talks of its own. Do you think that there's a lot of particularly erratic nature of President Trump's conduct over the last couple of weeks, and now he's fallen out with his old buddy Maloney, the conservative Prime Minister of Italy. Miss Maloney, do you get the sense a lot of countries are trying to come up with a Trump free solution to this.
00:55:03
Speaker 23: Because I think not necessarily a Trump free solution, but I think they do want a solution. I think that this conflict has gone on longer than most expected, and I'd be honest, it's kind of longer than I expected.
00:55:14
Speaker 15: Now.
00:55:14
Speaker 23: I expected it would always have to end in negotiations, but I thought that Iran would be much more willing to negotiate on the uranium enrichment. Now, I do wonder whether some of the political signaling that has come out of the US that seems a little bit incoherence to say that the least, and some of the impact and relationship with allies, whether that has actually prolonged the conflicts. And I think we've got to remember two when we're talking about this. There is a big difference between the success on the ground and the military campaign. And I would say from a US perspective, it has been and continues to be a successful military campaign. I think there's some confused reporting and commentary that's not quite accurate on that point. But Trump's political signaling I think has been unhelpful. The attacking of allies and partners I think has shown a vulnerability, and I think Iran is playing on those vulnerability.
00:56:03
Speaker 6: So when US.
00:56:04
Speaker 23: President makes comments attacking the pope. You see that the Supreme lead of Iran come out and defends the pope, which is it feels like the Twilight Zone.
00:56:13
Speaker 14: I've got a member.
00:56:14
Speaker 23: Regene is a regime that is ideological, that sponsors terrorism around the world, has attacked as partners in the Gulf, sponsored terrorism in Australia and killed between anywhere between ten thousand and forty thousand protesters in Iran in December.
00:56:31
Speaker 5: Sorry, just before we let you go, Just wondering in a naval sense, in terms of the difficulty undertaking the operations that may well happen in the Strait of horror moves. What is most problematic do you think? Is it disarming the Iranian capability of striking ships from the shore or with small vessels with improvised devices and explosives and so forth, or is it the removal of minds? What's actually the most difficult component of the task, Well, the removal of.
00:56:59
Speaker 23: Mines is the most complex. Now it's not confirmed that mine's have been laid. Iran has said that, and you know, you would be a bit silly to drive through there if you are not confident they're not there. But all you need to do is say you've laid minds to deter shipping. The reason I say that is this is a common employee by Iran. They've send us a number of times in their history. They may have laid minds, but that's not proven yet. But if they have, clearing out will be the biggest NABAL challenge.
00:57:25
Speaker 6: Whereas love having you on. Jennifer Parker, Expert Associate at the National Security College at the A ANDU, thank you for that, Thanks so much.
00:57:33
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00:59:18
Speaker 6: Good text here from Ben saying raise Ray Chamberlain was on AFL three sixty last night, said a couple of years ago a play a question his integrity on PHILB was saying, have you got a insert team name here, jumper on under your shirt. You've got the audio here.
00:59:33
Speaker 24: It is really reasonable to think that actually both fellows are telling absolutely their truth, and we've got a miscommunication or a misunderstanding.
00:59:43
Speaker 6: So how how was that reasonable to think that?
00:59:46
Speaker 24: Well, you've played in front of big crowds and noise and you hear things and you think you heard something, but potentially it wasn't said that way. We weren't out there, and sadly we don't have the audio.
00:59:56
Speaker 5: So that's actually Ray talking about the incident, but not this specific example or the texter.
01:00:00
Speaker 6: Was giving us. Yeah, Ben said In response, Ray responded, sarcastically, is that comment directed at me? And the player said, who else will I be talking about? Raza said that he left it to the end of the game but arranged the chap, but the player to explain how he felt about his integrity being questioned, and everybody moved on a more mature way to resolve this this nonsense.
01:00:24
Speaker 5: Well, I think if the gut, if if the AFL audited every example of the question the umpire's integrity being questioned on the field, I suspect there'd be many. And if that's the case, well, why was this one brought to the tribunal. It's hard to imagine it's not because of a sensitivity that exists around the other employment of the umpire involved. I love this text from how good Mate Robbie says, is I run backing the Pope like Port and Crow supporters getting together. In the current situation, there's Pope stuff with Trump.
01:00:58
Speaker 6: This is now what day three of this head to head Overnight he's given some new comments to Coriera de la Sera, one of the biggest newspapers in Italy, where he's had not just a crack at the Pope, but had to crack at his former friend, the Italian Prime Minister. What's her name, Malaney, Georgia Maline, Georgia Mulaney. They used to be thick as thieves. Trump and her, but they've had a massive falling out and she's made public comments defending the Pope. It's a high risk thing for Trump in a domestic setting in the US. There's seventy million Catholics in America. And let's not forget he had a big surge at the last election with the law abiding Latinos who were sick of seeing criminals from Venezuela and so on flooding the country and giving the Hispanic population a bad name. A lot of the sort of anti communist Cubans love Trump pick him on the pope though, particularly when your vice president and your Secretary of State Marco Rubio and JD. Evez both Catholics.
01:02:01
Speaker 5: Well, and there's better granular detail about voting intentions and things in the United States than we have here. So we know Donald Trump did exceptionally well among Catholics in terms of shifting them to vote for him at the last election. He can't afford to lose them. As you said, a seventy three million block of voters who don't have much of a sense of humor about having a crack at the pope and also talking about an a total absence of understanding of history. I think it's up until about the pope warning against the advances of the Ottoman Empire and the seventeenth century. Since then, they've generally been anti war. That's kind of what popes do. They don't like violence, they've warned, they are they call for peace. They stopped calling for crusades about five to six hundred years ago. Like this is not he's not picking on Donald Trump.
01:02:52
Speaker 6: You know what, what they do. The one part of what Trump has said about the pope without all the personal abuse and the derision and saying that he's offt on and all that stuff, and without that utterly blasphemous and tasteless image that he tweeted. But I sort of think I put this in the sort of context of some of the leftier churches in Australia, like the Uniting Church. It is funny that Trump's actions against Iran will spark condemnation from the pulpit, But what was the pope saying when the Iranians were slaughtering protesters and so forth. I mean, it's sort of people are happy to hop into America, but when you see radical Islamist ideology, I.
01:03:37
Speaker 5: Think the pope when he realizes that he doesn't have much jurisdiction in a fundamentalist Islamic country though, but.
01:03:44
Speaker 6: Surely these things transcend. You know, whoever the person is perpetrating the wrong acts. I sort of feel that, you know everyone for all sorts of understandable reasons. It's quite happy Pilon Trump, Pilon America, but sort of turn a blind either what was happening in Iran or just not even engage on it. Yeah, what's been going on for so long. It's the same as the sort of the rivet of the sea crowd in Australia happy to go to a protest every three hours about Israel.
01:04:14
Speaker 5: When was the last time he had about Yemen or Myanmar? Or yeah, yeah, these things have a trendiness.
01:04:21
Speaker 6: To them too. Well, that's right.
01:04:24
Speaker 5: If someone doesn't call in, if someone doesn't call in and sing the high note, David's going to do it. No I'm not, I've banned to have to do it. I'm just threatening the listeners.
01:04:35
Speaker 6: Threaten the listeners eight double two threat double o double Oh is the number we should get Corey Bernardi to call him? Can he?
01:04:41
Speaker 7: Well?
01:04:41
Speaker 6: I think he did a good chat to Cory yesterday afternoon, all sweet listen. It was great.
01:04:48
Speaker 5: And anytime he wants to come on and took fort News, he is an open invitation.
01:04:52
Speaker 6: It was excellent. Yeah, we keep tricking them by trying to get them to come on the program. We got the text, Pat's got the text. Oh, this is gonna be something. Quentin and old Ranella has called in morning to your Quintin morning, Quentin, you need to hit uh the Bohemian Rhapsody high night? Do you need to hear the whole thing again? Or you're ready just to give it a crack.
01:05:19
Speaker 18: No, I don't need to hear the whole thing because I'm driving to work listening.
01:05:23
Speaker 6: To you guys. You could be on the tribunal. Here we go. I'll play the long bit and you can just have a listen. All right, So that's the bit you need to hit. Quentin that you're ready, Yeah, here we go. Maybe Quentin, that's so high we couldn't hear the note. But I think they're a big cut out.
01:06:09
Speaker 5: There are dogs screaming in agony right across South Australia. Quentin, thank you, Matt, and Croyden has also called in Matt your right el glassware is exploded in the Eastern suburbs.
01:06:20
Speaker 6: Mattie, you're ready to hit the high note.
01:06:23
Speaker 19: I'll give it.
01:06:25
Speaker 6: That's all right. Here we go.
01:06:40
Speaker 5: My goodness, if someone just changed channels. They're calling the r s p C A, aren't they. They're not imagining we're having a state opera competition. Matt and Quentin, you're both going along to the opera. I think that was just sensational. I really hope for the opera sake that they don't decide to join in on the nine. Yeah, does the opera have that scenario? Like on a plane where they ask as they're a doctor in the house, do they ever say do we have do we have a baritone or a They weren't baritone, they were falsetto. Yeah, we'll get CASTI Matt Quentin, well done.
01:07:16
Speaker 6: That was great.
01:07:17
Speaker 5: You're both got the vib double passes to the State Opera production of Cinderella, where you can get tickets from State Opera dot com dot au.
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01:07:39
Speaker 5: Seven o' eight Koshi coming up in just a moment, could.
01:07:42
Speaker 6: Text from Paul, thank you for this? Police is Dave read of the Pope's comments. I get Vatican News on my phone daily. The Pope has consistently commented about violence perpetrated by a Ram's regime, as well as violence in other parts of the world. When he talks about invoking the name of God in war, he is including the Islamic Republic. Thank you for that, Paul and.
01:08:04
Speaker 3: David Cosh on five double a breakfast.
01:08:08
Speaker 5: At a football club chairman, compare the Market Economic Director, Doctor David kochshy you are you are smart enough to know you can't tell people not to give you a nickname in this country, and you tried it yesterday. I saw it on seven News Dr Cosh, good morning.
01:08:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, my wife colls re Wenker. It was was was a grade honor and really unexpected but good thanks for Plinters University. It was a great day to see just all those graduates fulfill their dream and the joy for families and the diversity of faces that it was just really sure to be part of.
01:09:01
Speaker 6: Congratulations David, to deserve and honor. Now you've probably got to be a little bit careful what you say about the Zach Butter's case. But can we really encourage you not.
01:09:09
Speaker 16: To be.
01:09:11
Speaker 7: As you usually do?
01:09:14
Speaker 6: Well, we think it's garbage.
01:09:17
Speaker 7: Look and we don't We basically don't know. And look the tribunal, the commissioners, remember the commissioners on the tribunal of volunteers. So we haven't got any details of the findings. We get them today. They didn't have the time, they had other commitments last night. And remember they are they are volunteers that do it. So we will get their findings this morning and and work out whether to appeal. I think it's pretty certain we will.
01:10:00
Speaker 6: Are there any formula of words that could be in.
01:10:05
Speaker 7: And I know, I know people have skipped over this a bit, but Zach, like Zack, is a competitor, okay, but he's one of the nicest blokes that you could ever meet. And you know, he's incredibly angry with the outcome because you know, he quite quite rightly believes that he's been dubbed a liar in this. And you know, the bloke has enormous pride and integrity of his values. And he is a bloke, and I can tell you his family is Mum and Dad equally is devastated and angry. And I think sometimes that's what we forget in all of this, the impact on the families and young men who who believe they have enormous integrity. Now, you know, we we put up a witness the at the league's best and fairest form, a brand low medal winner, But the decision took that none of that into account and seemed to focus on semantics rather than the than any sort of alleged statement itself. So good passion we're incredibly disappointed.
01:11:32
Speaker 5: You mentioned that the tribunals can made up of volunteers. Fair enough, but do you think the Port Adelaide Football Club and Zach Butter's were shown the required level of respect when it turns out one of them was driving his car whilst officiating on the tribunal.
01:11:48
Speaker 7: Ah, Look, that's that's something others can judge rather rather rather than us at the moment. I'm I think that's maybe it will be a consequence down the down the track that it's it's a really important part of our game and maybe that needs to be have the level of professionals and in terms of I'm saying in terms it's a big commitment, but that that commitment should be rewarded like other executives and other members and officials of the a f L. And you know, you can understand that if they if they're volunteers, that they've got to fit this in around the real jobs and real commitments and things like that. And so casting no dispersuire on the on on the people.
01:12:51
Speaker 6: That like you can't you can't have a situation where effectively is are well, you know, these people have giving up their time and they're all busy and you know, well, if that's the case, though, why in trust them with the ability to make decisions which is you've just so accurately described, can impugne a good person's reputation and leave his family devastated, or at.
01:13:13
Speaker 7: Least bring the professionalism that we have across the entire league into such an important decision making group and reward them for the commitment that they put into it, and then that means they have an accountability on their commitment to the position as well.
01:13:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have any concerns about umpires in our league having associations with betting agencies?
01:13:41
Speaker 7: Look, again, that's something for the league to decide.
01:13:45
Speaker 16: We have.
01:13:46
Speaker 7: Forty sixty people working in the integrity in it. They look at everybody involved in the league very closely, so you know, that's their decision to make. We can all have our own views about it. But that association was approved by the league. Of what was It's never been hidden I've asked. I meant I didn't know about it, Zach didn't know about it. Sort of, if if umpires and umpires all have jobs, they get they get paid reasonably well, sort of quod umpires for umpiring is sort of one hundred and fifty grand or above. But if you if you need to hold down a job or want a job, and I can I can understand it, you probably need to choose carefully where that job is and who it's with.
01:14:46
Speaker 6: I would think, yeah, yeah, well, said Dave. I feel like we'd have a better chat about this off the year than on the end.
01:14:57
Speaker 7: Definitely, and language would be a little fun. But let's wait to see how the findings are. Well, we'll have a bit more clarity on that. But I don't I don't think there's issues going away.
01:15:14
Speaker 6: I've never said this to you before, but this time I really mean it. Good luck to the Port Adelaide football player chairman and a doctor at Flinders University, and compare the market economic director.
01:15:28
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01:15:38
Speaker 6: Deep.
01:15:39
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01:15:47
Speaker 6: Ten minutes after right.
01:15:48
Speaker 5: We've just had wonderful feedback on the text line right throughout the program this morning. Everything from the Zach Butter's dribunal decision, the war in the Middle East, to people having a lot of fun with regard to our hitting the highest notes Cinderella competition.
01:16:03
Speaker 6: It's been.
01:16:04
Speaker 5: A massive bunch of conversations that we'd love it to get to continue into this last hour of the programming call us as well on eight, double two, three and double O. Lots to talk about. We'll get into dairy price increases very shortly. And yeah, the dairy industry hitting dairy industry seems to be the sort of canary in the coal mine for a lot of issues facing farmers in Australia.
01:16:26
Speaker 6: And yeah, I was talking about cream cheese the other day. I was thinking about butter like tubs of buttersoft and lurpak. Now you see them on the shelves for like eight bucks. Yeah, it's just crazy. I think.
01:16:37
Speaker 5: Rob Brokenshaw in The Australian this morning warning that twenty percent increases are coming across the entire range of dairy products.
01:16:42
Speaker 6: Big bags of three cup grated.
01:16:46
Speaker 3: Cheer cheese.
01:16:50
Speaker 5: More than fifteen dollars. Now, it's huge money and it's it's a staple like bread. It's not something that like it's every household gets affected. Yeah, you know, there are some people that presumably when prices go up, can do without certain things. I can't imagine anything that affects a greater proportion of households than dairy products going up completely. So we'll get into that shortly. Twelve after eight it's time a breaking open. Well, we love the Variety Club.
01:17:18
Speaker 6: And we've got a long standing special relationship with Variety on account of the radio fion that we do every year. And we know too that and certainly our former colleague here, Jane Riley, spent many years taking part in things like the Variety Bash. So much of what Variety does in terms of its fundraising involves the use of motor cars. Well, sadly we understand that Variety Essay has in the last couple of days made the decision to postpone this year's four wheel drive event, the Kagari Event, and a big part of that, the key part of that is the cost of petrol, but I and also the sort of opticts of of even though it's for a good cause, you know, driving through remote parts of rural Queensland where local farmers, local families might be struggling to actually get access to to diesel at all and not wanting to look like they're going to be eating into dwindling stocks. Mark McGill is our good mate. He's the CEO of Variety ESA and we've got Mark on the line now. Well, good morning mate, Thanks so much for coming on. So you must have you must have had to. It's not canceled, but it's definitely been postponed this event. What what was the was it the was it pricing? That was the key issue.
01:18:38
Speaker 19: Every aspect that Jujus mentioned open was just was put into the mix. There's a lot of internal discussions, a lot of external discussion and consultation. So we put together all that information over about three days and presented the board and we made the very difficult decision, as you said, to postpone the twenty twenty six Pardon Meat event in its entirety to twenty twenty seven.
01:19:03
Speaker 7: Happening this year, not happening this year.
01:19:06
Speaker 19: We do have contingencies based on hope. I guess is really to be brutally honest, because we just don't know what the future holds in terms of if we can get an event away inside South Australia, a three or four day full or drive adventure. Well, you know, it will also be served as a bit of a three pronged approach in terms of bringing our community together, continue to support the children that we do, and also backing our local regions. So but you know, to your point, we had seventy plus vehicles one hundred leters per vehicle. If you do the simple maps that every time you fill up, you're taking seven thousand leaders out of outer regional areas that have unreliable supply. And that's really the aspect that not only costs our entrances in they're passionate and generosity to probably you know wear that, but it's more about the point is that we're part of the community, and we're a really big part of the community in terms of the support be of a children and families. So it's a little bit contradictory to go into these kinds of places and that are facing challenges would supply agricultural, central services, local business or they need that fuel to operate. So we made that very good decision.
01:20:31
Speaker 6: So, Mark, I hate to even mentioned this, but are you worried that the same issue could become a problem for the variety Bash.
01:20:40
Speaker 19: Well, it's it's not it would be naive of us not to not to look to the horizon about that. Again, you know, we are very confident. We've we've put eighteen months these motoring events day to them, then will They're eighteen months in the planning, So it's not something that you can just sort of, you know, to use the COVID word it and simply sort of say, right, we'll put that through the shredder and we'll make up another little trip in saying that we are committed to the twenty twenty six bash up to Birdswill if we can. And that's really you know, that's that's an important aspect, is that we're not going to just you know, we're not cowboys. You know, we're very much in mindful of what we can do. We've obviously protocols. Safety is of concern, but again we really we are looking to the future about that. But at the moment it's not an issue, but we hope it's not going to.
01:21:39
Speaker 10: Be an issue.
01:21:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Well, Mark, thank you for joining us, and we're sure that Variety will still find other ways to make money. And you know we're here at five double A. We are always ready, ready and willing to be part of that too, Mart McGill see our variety Esa, Thanks Matte. Do these little things disappointed us to how uncertain and how expensive life has become.
01:22:02
Speaker 5: We spoke about dairy before the break, doing about farming, do it, filling up your car all? Unfortunately, charity giving is is perhaps the most discretionary of spends, isn't it. In people's minds, It's going to be the first thing that goes when you have to tighten your belt a little bit and you can't. Can you imagine South Australia without the bash happening?
01:22:22
Speaker 6: Yeah? I know. It's been part of life as long as I can remember.
01:22:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd think it was the kind of thing that was going to endure forever. Seventeen after right, we're gonna have a bit of fun on the other side of this break, Chris Caracas is going to join us.
01:22:32
Speaker 6: On the program. We're bringing in the big guns exactly right, the recently retired Chief Justice of South Australia on all of the legal questions surrounding the operations of the AFIL tried dubles. Then after eight thirty we'll be chatting with the Australian Dairy Farmer's Association President Ben Bennett and aviation expert Jeffrey Thomas on playing fuel prices jet fuel. If we've got a problem with diesel, imagine the problems you read about with our diesel supply and with regard to how much backup we've got in case supplies disrupted, it's worse for jet fuel. That holds true right around the world. So what are the plans long term for anyline like quantas if this was to drag on for some time. Jeffrey Thomas will talk this through that before nine.
01:23:21
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01:23:31
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01:23:36
Speaker 5: Twenty two minutes after right. We've been prosecuting the Zach Butter's tribunal case right throughout the morning. We've assessed the evidence. We've had a look at whether it meets any of the tests of beyond reasonable doubt or on the balance of probabilities and so forth. But that's just us a couple of amateurs and our listeners are having a bit of fun that we thought we'd call in an expert. Former Chief Justice Chris Carracus joins us on five Double a breakfast judge, notwithstanding the fact that if this were a trial, you may have to recuse yourself as a Port supporter.
01:24:10
Speaker 6: Good morning, Good morning.
01:24:13
Speaker 14: I resigned to justice. I'm actually doing a trial as an acting judge at the moment that I'm glad that you finally got me on to talk about something serious.
01:24:24
Speaker 6: No, Judge, we really appreciate you coming on.
01:24:26
Speaker 14: Well yeah, and I'm one of the footy supporters in Adelaide that no one trusts because I somehow managed to support both Port and Crows when they're playing in Melbourne team or a Victorian team. Fer me, but there you go.
01:24:39
Speaker 6: So let me talk about it because we are on both both clubs are on a unity ticket. In the discussion of this case, based on the feedback we're getting from listeners, can I ask you first about the admissibility of evidence, because so much of this case is he said he said scenario where you've got one guy in Zach bud Are saying I didn't say it, then you've got Ollie Wine saying he didn't say it, and then you've got the umpire saying no, he definitely said it. In an action court, none of that would be admissible, would it.
01:25:11
Speaker 14: Oh no, no, it's all admissible. It's definitely admissible.
01:25:14
Speaker 17: Court courts are often called on to.
01:25:17
Speaker 14: Make decisions where the only evidence is word against word. Judges love it when there's some independent evidence, for example, if it had actually been recorded, that's terrific. But the hard cases are where it's word against word, oath against oath, and courts regularly have to deal with it, and sometimes they say, look, we just can't decide others. On other occasions, I'll say, look, this particular witness was really convincing in the way they told their account, and I believe them on the balance or beyond reasonable doubt.
01:25:49
Speaker 6: So we don't have the published reasons yet. That's going to come out later today.
01:25:52
Speaker 5: But on the strength of what we heard prosecuted the tribunal last night, it seems like the Perry Mason moment was the inconsistency in what Zach Butters had said in a postmatch interview compared with his evidence at the tribunal. So the discrepancy being on the postmatch interview he said, I said to the umpire how was that a free kick? Tonight at the tribunal According to the AFL's prosecutor, he said, surely that is not a free kick. How would you weigh that discrepancy if you were presiding over this particular case.
01:26:25
Speaker 14: That that that discrepancy wouldn't be considered that important in the general run of the cases. A lot depends on the over the other circumstances, but it wouldn't. But that I thought that dispute was over whether he said, how did you pay that? Rather than how much are they paying you?
01:26:42
Speaker 12: Hmmm?
01:26:44
Speaker 14: Yeah, that was reported on the ABC this morning, which is which is very different again from what he said in the post interview.
01:26:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, and different to the evidence that that that he that he gave as well. What about the angle Judge Karaka involving one of the tribunal members who was zooming in and then when he reconnected to the tribunal hearing, it appeared that he was actually driving his car when you were presiding over the many cases you heard as a judge, did you ever sort of nip down to the shops or.
01:27:18
Speaker 14: This has this has become a real became an important issue over COVID. Although and since although we often have witnesses zoomed in and conduct online hearings. All judges around Australia have emphasized the importance of maintaining the solemnity of the event. It's an important event which affects people's lives and the same applies to the tribunal. And what that report shows is we would give the impression of not taking it seriously, not giving it the full attention that it deserves, not giving it the case a proper hearing. And so that's a matter of procedure if you like. And I don't know anything about the AFL review system, I'm going to say, but in terms of courts, that could give rise to what I might call a procedural fairness ground.
01:28:10
Speaker 7: On a review.
01:28:12
Speaker 6: And in your former role as Chief Justice Judge, you were the states Peak appellate judge. You heard many cases on appeal in this instance, if you were the Port Adelaide Football Club, or if you say we're advising the Port Adelaide Footballlub, would you say that it looks like there are grounds for appeal here. Yeah.
01:28:31
Speaker 14: Well, I'm not going to give anyone advice, but I will say this, challenging a decision which is based on hearing evidence. The finding of fact based on competing testimony is generally difficult to overturn on appeal. But if the dispute is over whether he said how did you pay that?
01:28:51
Speaker 7: Instead of.
01:28:53
Speaker 14: How much are they paying you? I'd make that a mock trial competition for law students. Basically, that's a really tricky case. And if that is the dispute, I don't know whether it is. If that is, there might be some interest on it.
01:29:10
Speaker 6: In that point.
01:29:11
Speaker 5: On the review, there was one witness, Olly Wines. How do you how would you weigh his evidence? Given his proximity was not in dispute.
01:29:21
Speaker 6: He was there.
01:29:22
Speaker 5: He is a teammate of Zach Butter's, but he's also an upstanding and decorated footballer for being the best and fairest in the league in the past. If you were sitting there listening to this as the only witness, how would you assess it?
01:29:35
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, that's a very serious consideration. That's close to being an independent witness. He's a teammate, so that's not completely independent. But as well as listening to the evidence, tribunals have to look at the probabilities and improbabilities of people acting or as is alleged or not acting, saying what they alleged to have been said, reasons for support a mate, or reasons why they are more likely to take an independent view, and the same considerations would apply it to the umpire.
01:30:08
Speaker 17: So these the wigh of.
01:30:10
Speaker 14: Testimony isn't just a matter of the bare words. You've got to look at the real life situation and try and assess what's the probability that this was said, what's the probability or improbability of Olly Wines and supporting him Unless oli actually heard those words, All those questions of human behavior would have informed the tribunal as well.
01:30:35
Speaker 6: I've this fascinating Chris Caracas just as cheap Chris Caracas. We couldn't get Lord Denning, but we got the best thing that was really really good. We really appreciate you making the time to come on and as someone who's got a foot in each camp with Poor and the Crows on an issue that has achieved a rare sense of unity here into Australia, we really really appreciate those.
01:31:00
Speaker 14: Sites pleasure back.
01:31:03
Speaker 6: That was great. It would make a good sort of mock try, wouldn't it.
01:31:07
Speaker 5: Absolutely fantastic lots to consider, and he talked through the considerations of a judge exceptionally well there.
01:31:12
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01:31:22
Speaker 4: Dvid Penburbi and will Goodies five double a breakfast twenty.
01:31:27
Speaker 6: Minutes to nine.
01:31:28
Speaker 5: More price sites are on the way, this time at the behest of the dairy industry, who are saying to the supermarket giants, prices need to go up, and that price increase needs to be funneled back to dairy farmers, because in the absence of that sort of action, this simply will no longer be dairy farmers. Some of the costs and the increases are detailed in the OSS coverage of this this morning, including the fact that we all know diesel doubled in price since the outbreak of war in Iran. What we may not be aware of is that the fertilizer you rear had risen from eight hundred dollars a ton to at least eighteen hundred dollars a ton, and in some instances two thousand, three hundred dollars are done, so nearly a three hundred percent increase in the price of the critical fertilizer that's required as well.
01:32:16
Speaker 6: What would that look like?
01:32:18
Speaker 5: According to the OSS analysis, Greek yogurt goes from four dollars thirty to five dollars sixteen.
01:32:25
Speaker 6: I think twice before lathering on the tadziki onto your suval. That's right.
01:32:30
Speaker 5: Milk would go from a dollar sixty five to a dollar ninety eight a liter for the brand owned supermarket milk. Salted butter seven dollars fifty to nine dollars you said eight earlier. Nine dollars is what we're talking about. Basic cheese two andre and fifty grams goes from six dollars to seven dollars twenty. You can see very quickly it starts to have an impact on the grocery basket.
01:32:53
Speaker 6: But then, so if you think of that in the context of a scollot potato, a potato bake, how much does your potato baked well, because it's got cream, it's got multiple dollars, are serve lovely and it's got butter, but luxury good.
01:33:09
Speaker 5: We get why the farmers are saying at the moment they're wearing the cost and that that capacity to wear cost can be exhausted and when it does, dairy farms don't exist. Ben Bennett is the president of the Australian Dairy Farmers Group. Ben, good morning to.
01:33:25
Speaker 17: You, Good morning to you.
01:33:26
Speaker 6: Thank you so, Ben, as Will was just documenting you sort of copying it from our angles. Petrol fertilizer and it really must be must feel unsustainable for a lot of people on the land right now.
01:33:40
Speaker 17: Well, it will sort of an uphild battle to start with, and now this is sort of becoming the straw that breaks the camel's back and we need a sustainable industry and farmers in the planning, you know, they've got to renew the heard on a continuous basis, and that renewal decisions regarding our the mating of the cows. Okay, and then by the time that animal gets into the system, it's a three year gap. Now we're having to make these decisions now and when we look at turn on the TV, these issues just seem to get worse and worse, and them destroying infrastructure over there, well, i'd say that these price increases are going to be here to stay for quite a long time. Sadly, but so farmers going to make the decision do we stay dairy farming or do we look at alternatives.
01:34:32
Speaker 6: Is it something that threatens supply ben or is it just a cost issue?
01:34:37
Speaker 17: Well, it'll lead to supply okay. So we're making these making these noises now just to sort of put up the hand and say, hey, these costs are on us right now, and there needs to be some kind of relief in the system because without that really just simply won't be dairy farmers.
01:34:55
Speaker 5: We've seen we've seen been a government intervention in terms of things like removing the few lexie to keep to artificially keep petrol cheaper. What's the biggest cost input for dairy farmer? Is it the fertilizer or is it the diesel petrol?
01:35:10
Speaker 17: Well, the thing is with diesel, dairy has got a big supply chain. Okay. In totality of the entire supply chain, it's twenty five percent of agricultural diesel consumption. Okay. So we've got situations in Wa where they've go down to less than one hundred farmers. Now, now if they don't get your rear, the balance of that milk is going to actually have to come out of Victoria. Now that's a six and a half thousand k round trip for a milk tanker. So these are costs that in all aspects of the supply chain, everybody is incurring. And we need all of those people to quite frankly, get a lot of the ice cream otherwise we were not going to have any ice cream.
01:35:58
Speaker 5: Where the dairy farmers. What's I mean, Not that anyone wants to contemplate the alternative, but you mentioned that they might look at other things. For dairy farmers that just say, look, I can't there's just nothing in this for me anymore.
01:36:09
Speaker 6: It's not sustained. I'm going to feed my family and so forth. What do you do?
01:36:13
Speaker 5: You leave the land or are there other things that can be done with those sorts of properties.
01:36:18
Speaker 17: Well, there's a significant there's only about zero point two of one percent of Australia is suitable for low cost dairy farming. Okay, so in South Australia most of that is down around man Cambia, Okay, significant milk retraction around the Adelaide Hills. So there's alternative land uses. So there's a lot of hobby farmers, there's a lot of alternative you know, horticulture, fits and pieces attractive land. Simply, Yeah, these are the uses for it. That's exactly right. So if you're sitting on you know, well most dairy farmers are a multimillion dollar operation, Well there's no real sense skinning. Say okay, this year, I'll get a hundred grand and just burn it like that's global warming aid, Like you know, my goodness, wouldn't that be a problem. Well, you know we're getting attacked by everything, aren't we. We've got you know, we've got the bloomen you know, environmental stuff. We've got water buybacks, you know, where people would rather the water just go out to sea than then irrigate a food bowl. They'd rather have it as a dust bowl. And that that in itself is looking at compounding the issue with us weather going forward, of those farmers possibly looking at seven hundred dollars a meg, it's economical at two hundred, and then you compound that with diesel, your rear, et cetera, et cetera. Well, you know there are other ways to go broke, aren't they.
01:37:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, had been I reckon as painful as it will be to a hip pocket. So I think most people would think, well, the farmers have got all these extra costs, maybe we just have to cop at sweet and pay you know, an extra, an extra whatever it is for milk or butter. And that's that's one thing. But how do we make sure the supermarkets in the same way the fuel companies raised more than a couple of eyebraries. How do we make sure the big supermarket thinking that the middle of this chaos they can skim a bit off for themselves.
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Speaker 17: Oh, surely they wouldn't do things like that. The very are these the very people. Let's say we should have free range eggs. But then in the other if you just asked quietly under the counter, they will sell you cigarette. Is we talking about these people? Well, the thing is we've really they've gone and displayed that action quite clearly. Okay, one of the leading supermarkets because a little cozy relationship with a handful of farmers and they've gone out there and said, hey, here's a price increased directly for you. But it's only you know, half a dozen a dozen farmers. You know, Australia, we've got about nearly four thousand farmers. What are they all going to do?
01:38:59
Speaker 16: Like?
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Speaker 17: You know, it's just it's worse than tokenism. They're just trying to sit there and show that you know, oh we're so self righteous, but you are right, you know what is the real game. And in the processes they have to get a look at the ice cream too, the milk carving companies all need to Okay, the whole supply chain is here. It's not just some kind of oh look high brow, you know we're doing this and our pr is just so wonderful. And where God's gift to the planet. Well yeah, yeah, there's a wolf rist Wolf drist Up and Lembslothing once again.
01:39:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, great chat, Ben, We appreciate you coming on mate, Ben Ben Bennett, the president of Australian Dairy Farmers. I think the answer to that last question was the cynicism is justified. Yeah, it seems that way.
01:39:50
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01:39:57
Speaker 4: They do it all for you, see big Glen Burpy Will Goodings, my double a breakfast.
01:40:05
Speaker 6: Eight minutes. Deny.
01:40:06
Speaker 5: We spoke earlier in the program about quantus decision to cancel flights from and to Mount Gambia. Here in South Australia. We talk about it from this perspective of medical care and Mount Gambia had the impact on the citizenry there and what it will mean for South Australia. There's a bigger question though about jet fuel cost and availability in Australia and what that might mean for Quantas. We know what will mean in a financial sense eight hundred million dollars is the increase of their fuel bill for the first half of the year and that's why they're cutting five percent of domestic flights from the eighteenth of May to the thirtieth of June. But what happens from there well, Jeffrey Thomas is a global aviation expert, joins us on five double a Breakfast. Jeff, good morning to you.
01:40:55
Speaker 6: Good morning. So what's the state of play right now? Jeff? I mean, obviously the watering figures from Quantus yesterday. Yeah, and in an environment where it doesn't really look like things are necessarily getting any better anytime soon.
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Speaker 25: Look, you hit the nail right on the head. And this is one of the big problems that Kunas and other airlines around the world have got, is the situation changes by the hour, and you know, normally with a major problem, there's a pathway out of it, there's a timeline. Yes, we'll get out of this, and we know what we've got to do. This one is just make it up as you go. As we all know, so Cornus has got to take some pretty drastic action to make sure number one, that they're not wasting fuel and also of course to increase fares unfortunately, to cover the eight hundred million dollar hits that this is going to cost them. And this is just between this is just for the second half of their financial year ending June thirty. It doesn't go beyond that, and the hit over a full twelve months would be more like getting close to two billion dollars. So it's a major cost increase. But you know, there's two issues. There's the supply and there's the price. And the supply there's plenty on the plenty, there's enough on the water or in process through about the middle of May towards the end of May. Beyond that, the supply is going to be impacted and we're going to see the full impact of that twenty percent cut in available crude oil start to hit. So things are possibly going to get attle bit worse in June July.
01:42:44
Speaker 5: Does anything distinguish that the jet fuel trade from.
01:42:50
Speaker 6: The crude oil trade.
01:42:51
Speaker 5: And I'm asking in the sense that we're all getting a crash course in Australians supply of vulnerability at the moment JEPS. I'm just wondering, does quand experiit's the same thing as your local petrol bowser or do they have different ways of getting the Okay.
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Speaker 25: Let's go back to crude oil. Crude oil is the base. Obviously, from that, you get a petrol for the car, you get diesel for the trucks and the cars, and you get ab gas for piston engine eerraplanes and then you get av tur which is aviation turbine fuel for the jets. Now, aviation turbine fuel is probably best equated to kerosine. It's more like kerosine. But to your point, yes, there's a question mark about what that crude oil is broken up into. Are people focusing on petrol for cars or diesel or turbine fuel, so it's a mixture. And then you've got contracts with shipments contracted to come. Then you've got shipments on the high seas that are either crude or refined into jet fuel or petrol or whatever, and that's up for the highest bidder. So while we've got a twenty percent supposed cut through the straight up her moves with the oil, there's eighty percent is still available and that then goes to the highest price, that then goes to the highest bedder. So I don't believe that the supply is going to be as much of an issue as the price. It depends on what we're prepared to pay.
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Speaker 6: Do you reckon, Jeff. There's a scenario whereby people like say they're going away in July or something, and they've pre bought tickets, that the airlines might turn around and go, you know what, We're really sorry to do this, but we now have to put some sort of extra levy on. Or once a ticket is brought, is it locked away.
01:44:44
Speaker 25: That's a good question. It varies from airline to airlines. Summer honoring. I flew Quantus last week into New Zealand and there was no change in my airfare at all. So and I'm flying Virgin to Melbourne this weekend. I just simply paid the rack eight whatever it was. It's appeared to be a bit more than normal, but I needed to get to Melbourne for business, so I've just paid it. So it's a little bit hard to distinguish exactly what's going on. I mean, for instance, at the moment, from say Perth where I am, if you want to go to London, if you go with Quantis, it's now by a Singapore a line with a NonStop and it's no longer non stop. It's via Singapore. The economy fair is three thousand dollars. But if you want to go on Emirates, an Emirates flight with Quantus code sharing, it's only one thousand dollars by I do buy, so there are still cheap fares available. But of course you are going by the Middle East and jeewhish, I don't know whether I want to do that or not. So no, it's a bit of a mixed bag, it really is.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, no great Jef Jeff Jeff Thomas, Global Aviation Experts. Some of the times last night I noticed watching Fully Classified to get all the latest on the butter stuff and see Eddie excellent contributions on what he thought show sponsored by Fiji Airways, which is increasingly becoming a way for people to get to Europe via the United States. Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about going that way. Will you go Sydney, Nandy, La? Yeah, across the Atlantic and then over the Atlanteah. Yeah, that's the long way, all right. The unleaded prices this morning for you watch better be a member with the Great Raa Road Service. The mobile Shadow Park is the cheapest two dollars nine point five the average two dollars seventeen point five cheapest Dieselso marrying three dollars nine point five the average three dollars seventeen point nine for diesel. Enjoy the Wednesday. We'll be back tomorrow morning. From six stick around. Graham Goodings is coming up.
01:46:56
Speaker 17: We need all of those people to quite frankly, get a lift of the ice cream, otherwise we're not gonna have any ice cream.
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Speaker 3: This is three now.
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Speaker 17: It is a lot of this Stree