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In this episode, James Dickson speaks with Mia Moles, Business Support Director at Detectnology UK, about modern event security hardware. They cover screening solutions for people, bags and vehicles, the evolution from visible detectors to AI-driven and covert systems, and how technology can both deter and detect threats.
Mia also discusses the company’s 36-year history, demo and training practices, GDPR and legal considerations, integration with event operations, and how organisers can balance safety, guest experience and budget when deploying screening technology.
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Hello everybody, welcome along to the Event Industry News Podcast
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with me, James Dixon, wishing you all a very good morning, afternoon, or evening,
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wherever or whenever you join today's podcast from.
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And on today's podcast, talking all things security,
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my guest today is the first time, a first-time guest on the podcast
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and a company that I must admit before today's recording I wasn't familiar
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with. So as always on the podcast, we hope to find out a little bit
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more about both our guest and our company before we get into the conversation
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about event security, how it's evolved, where it
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stands at the moment, how technology indeed is probably shaping the security
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that we deploy at our events, and probably more
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besides that. So I'm delighted to say that joining the podcast for the first time
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is the Business Support Director for Detectnology UK,
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Mia Moles. Mia, a very good morning to you. Welcome to the podcast.
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Morning. Um, did I say that correctly? Deteknoloji?
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Yes, we hear a lot of funny versions. That was quite tame,
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actually. Okay, yeah, I know, I bet, I bet.
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It seems obvious, but I think I said to her, not— it's not always,
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you know, you— we've had so many, so many different
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company names and things on here that I think, oh, that's how to pronounce it,
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and I'm wildly wrong. So Deteknoloji UK, let's find out a
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little bit more about you first of all, Mia, if we can. Tell us a
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little bit about yourself, what you do, um, in the company. Of course.
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So business support director probably isn't a very typical role.
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It's one that we adapted more for an American structure, which basically
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gives me the access to all different arms of the company. So I dip
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my finger in sales a little bit, more heavily so in operations. I'm kind of
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aware of the financial goings-on, but it's not my core responsibility.
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And yeah, just looking to improve the business in any way we can, whether it
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be processes, product offerings, customer service, trying to
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make sure everything runs smoothly and kind of the tie that pulls it together,
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if you will. Yeah, but more and more companies, we're seeing more and more
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of these roles, aren't we? Just before we get into the actual company, but,
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you know, people who really have an idea of what's happening in every single department
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because you need to have that overview as a business. You need to be able
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to see what's, what's happening and all those different aspects really pull it together.
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So let's get into the technology and what the company actually does.
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So we provide security screening equipment, and it's that simple. We provide
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only the hardware, the technology. We don't get involved with the operators.
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We would always recommend that be somebody separate for validity
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purposes as much as anything. So we provide screening solutions for people,
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bags, vehicles, explosive and narcotics, whatever it
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is that you're looking to find. If you're willing to use technology to do it,
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9 times out of 10, we'll have a product that will help you.
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And, and how long is— I'm curious to know how long the company has actually
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been in existence and how this correlates maybe with developments over the
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last couple of decades. Of course, about 36 years now. I think we're
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about to go into our 37th, um, with the name change along the
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way. So we've been D-Technology since 2013. Fun plan was
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their detection technology, get it together, and you get D-Technology.
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Um, so our founder saw a lot of screening equipment when he was
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living out in the US And this is, you know, pre-7/7,
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pre-9/11. It was not something that we really had in the UK so heavily,
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pretty much just at airports. And even then, you can't compare what we see in
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an airport today versus what we saw in an airport, you know, almost 40 years
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ago. Absolutely. Um, so personal circumstances
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meant that he moved back to the UK from the US and found
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himself in a bit of a rut and kind of didn't know what the direction
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of his life was going to be, didn't know what to do, and was reading
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a newspaper and saw that there'd been a threat on a nightclub and thought,
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I know what could help this, this technology that we saw in America.
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So he reached out to the gentleman that was in charge of it over there
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that he'd met whilst living out there and said, I need to buy a machine.
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And, uh, at the time these machines are very heavy,
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very tall, and he had it over the sofa in his living room.
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Yeah. And, uh, just bought one and used to rent a Luton van, driving it
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around trying to— well, I love that.
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Starts— and when he's, you know, it's interesting that you say proved that it
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was needed because it's always— I don't know if chicken
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and egg is the right sort of phrase to use, but, um,
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you know, questions often asking, are we in, you know,
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are there more security threats now than there were 36
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years ago, or are we just more aware of them? You know,
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uh, is our awareness changed? Has the threat level gone
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up. And it's probably a combination of all those things, I guess, that,
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that contribute to attitudes towards security today, particularly in events.
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Yeah, I think the truth somewhere is in the middle. Ironically enough, one of the
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first customers of this company was a large nightclub chain. Um,
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they accepted the need for these items before courts.
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The courts were the next client that we onboarded, but we had nightclubs first.
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And when I say we the company rather than myself. I wasn't here back then.
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Um, but it's, it's a mixture of things. It's— there is more
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threats, and there's a lot of more kind of people who will act
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as lone wolves now. They don't need dependence on numbers like they used to years
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ago. And without going too much into it, there's many ways
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nowadays with the evolution of technology in general to find out how to
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do things that you wouldn't have been available to the average person on the street
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40 years ago. Well, of course, yeah, that's an
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important point to make when, when you're, you know, addressing security
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and risk, uh, you know, risk of threat and,
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and all the rest of it, is that, you know, our ideologies,
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you know, have, have changed and developed. But,
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you know, arguably some ideologies have always been there,
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but people's access to information and how to act
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on a particular instinct has changed significantly,
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hasn't it? So you're quite right to highlight that because that's where threat levels change
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is people's ability to act on, on things. Um,
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so go on, sorry. No, I was saying exactly,
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and in the same token, we're more aware of it now because we have access
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to those same means. So it really is, as you say, chicken egg's
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probably a good term. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Is it going on more? Perhaps. Is it because ideologies have
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changed? Probably not really. People just used to be comfortable to have those ideologies in
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their living room with the door closed, and now they can have them on Twitter,
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which sparks other things. For the same token, we hear about everything
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that happens because there's a constant news cycle, you know, worldwide that everybody
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has access to. When it comes to the actual hardware itself,
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I, I mean, one of the things that I was keen to ask this morning
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straight away is sort of one of the first things was how much of it
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is about detecting potential
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threats. So, you know, you, you said you deal with the hardware, so it's,
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it's scanning equipment bags, scanning people, scanning, you know, identifying are they carrying objects
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that they shouldn't be carrying Um, you know, knife crime
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is huge. We have to sort of— we can't sort of skirt around that.
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Knife crime is an issue. It's, it's been a growing issue for the last few
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decades in this country. So no doubt some of the hardware that you're providing is,
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is looking to, um, to detect, you know, elements and
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objects like that. But how much of it is also a deterrent, a visual
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deterrent to stop people rather than actually catching them with those items?
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How much of deployment of your type of hardware in any circumstance,
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but particularly events it is about giving that visual deterrent to people
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to say, look, we've got these things in place, so don't
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even think about it. That's totally up to the organizer or
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the venue, because the equipment, the technology exists now that if you wanted to,
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you could have it on a very high level of sensitivity and detect everything,
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right? Not many people do that. There's not many environments where that's needed.
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You know, you don't need to feel like you're going to an airport to go
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to a concert. There's environments where it's totally necessary and they deploy it in that
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way, but this is the same equipment. You can change sensitivities on
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the same pieces of equipment. We've had clients say, I don't
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care if it alarms on everybody, I want to search everybody, I need to see
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what happens. And we've had clients say, I actually want to go
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for this older piece of kit because people are more used to seeing it,
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and seeing these old-fashioned mag arches, a line of them in front
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of my venue, acts as security theatre, and that's enough for me. Me. So it
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totally— theater, that's a great— that's a— that's a new— I've not
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heard that term before, security theater. So we worked with a venue
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that was, uh, it's quite a new-built venue, and the head of
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security there, one of his main— and he's a very well-respected
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gentleman in the industry, he knows about all of the emerging technologies, and he was
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very clear, I'm going for, you know, what was groundbreaking 10
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years ago because I want to see— I want people to see,
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recognize that it's screening And you often find
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that when people see that, they'll go to the bush and throw their knife away,
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and you never get to that point of confrontation at the door, at the perimeter.
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Your security staff never have the sometimes awkward,
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uncomfortable, and unsafe interaction of removing a knife from somebody.
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There's lots of different ways to run security these days, and that's
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an ever-growing popular way to do it now is with security theatre.
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When the team at Deteknoloji are talking to new clients,
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how many of them are not aware of what you've just said, that there are
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actually different levels that you can actually set certain pieces of hardware?
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How many of them think that basically you just turn it on and it will
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do its job? About 15%.
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And I say that because our business is quite evenly split. 50%,
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uh, 30% sales, so permanent deployments,
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30%-ish maintenance.
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And that will be in any kind— anywhere that you see this equipment, um,
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we most likely maintain it. So we do preventative maintenance and remedial works on
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it. And then you have 30%, which is the hire market, the short-term hires for
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events. And of that market, I'd say about half, so 15%
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of the overall business, are unaware of the capabilities of this screening equipment.
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You've got some people that have been in the industry for a long time and
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worked on your bigger events that have had to have security for many years now.
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And then you've got people last year, particularly this year, and definitely
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from next year, who've never had to worry about security that will now
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need to due to different changes in regulations. And it doesn't mean they have to
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deploy technology because they don't— nowhere in Martin's Law does it state, and it's
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important to be clear on that, that you have to have screening technology. There's a
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lot of people spreading misinformation on LinkedIn or calling themselves experts. It's not necessary.
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The only thing that they're going to state is necessary is
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to search, and one way to do that efficiently and
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whilst maintaining guest experience is to use technology. There is other ways
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to do that too. And, and, and something
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that has popped into my head again, just from what you've explained,
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are there— you talked about security theater and having solutions
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that, you know, traditional archways, you know, big visible things that people
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know, all right, that is a security archway and I'm going to get scanned,
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I'm going to go through that. Are there now covert options as
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well? Can— is it— is there hardware that can be deployed where people don't even
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realize they're walking through it? Exactly. So our new kind of— the
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new mass threat detection systems in the industry at the moment mean you can just
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walk free-flowing, 2 people together, mother and child.
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You don't have to stop and go one by one, um, and you wouldn't know
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you're being screened. You can keep small bags on you. They even make x-rays
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that you can put your bag on now that the belt goes the same speed
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as you walk and you grab it on the other end and you'll never— in
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that case, you know you'll put it on an x-ray, but, um, you'll only ever
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be stopped if it finds something. And that's not an operator sat doing that,
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that's now AI because the industry is constantly changing.
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You obviously then use an operator for secondary search. It just means that
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when they're looking, they have a better idea of where to look.
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And because we're all human, inevitably we get tired,
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things get missed, particularly sometimes in this industry with late night work and
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pressure and days and everyone coming to the gate at the same time. It kind
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of just adds a layer of reliability because,
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you know, as the strongest part of every security system is the people,
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we are also the weakest part. Interesting. Yeah,
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you, you mentioned AI there, and when it comes to sort of linking
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people and the technology and the hardware together, you know, when I think about,
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you know, events, you know, events will always— most
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events will have some sort of ticketing process. If it's a public event, a concert,
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live music event, there'll be a ticketing process. If it's a, a big trade
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show, you know, a business convention, something like that, there'll be a registration system
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in place where you collect your badge, you have to have a badge to enter.
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So you've kind of got these ticketing/registration systems
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depending on the nature of the event. How integrated
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now is the technology, the hardware technology that you would deal
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with, with things like ticketing technology, with badging technology?
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What are the difficulties in terms of linking up these sort of different systems nowadays?
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There are manufacturers that are trying to get there. I've not
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seen anything in real life in this country yet that achieves that.
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Right. Um, what we can achieve is we work with
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a particularly large festival organization
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group. They put on multiple festivals every year and they give away tickets
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on the radio and they upgrade people's tickets. And before deploying our technology, they never
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had a way to confidently say X amount of people entered the venue
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because people were scanning tickets twice. The ticket got upgraded on the door. Is that
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2 people? Is that 1? What our equipment can do is, while screening you,
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count out footfall. Right, so you get that accurate idea
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of how many people actually passed the threshold, each machine, how many people got
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in. And then from that you can see trends. What was the busiest
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hour for ingress? When did most people leave? You can
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get all of these other metrics that then help with the general kind of running
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of the festival. Um, getting people in quickly,
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they are a lot happier. The first experience is nice.
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And on venues where we've deployed that technology, their bar spend has gone up.
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For example, you know, it's different, different ways to
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measure. I'd never considered that the security elements of
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the hardware could actually be utilized at that. And of course, it makes complete
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sense when you explain it like you just have done. But, you know, I guess
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what you say, irrespective of ticket, even from a product,
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even the production entrances for crew, for staff, for people who
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are working on site, if everybody's got to pass through some form of security screening
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to get on site, then irrespective of who you are, what your ticket says,
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what your badge says, what your wristband says. You're just— you
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can't— you can count physical bodies in. Exactly.
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And more so now, we are seeing the security perimeter
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be established days before setup commences, and our equipment is then typically
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the first thing to go in, also with sporting events. And then they screen every
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member of staff for build and break for that site, and it keeps the site
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secure because you set up a perimeter if your festival's in a park But
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then think how many people come and go to set up the stage, microphone boxes,
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all these different things. There could be a breach.
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And, you know, again, many years ago that wasn't something people had to worry about,
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but the reality of where we are today is— is every festival at
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risk? No. Is the country,
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the world, in a constant state of knowing there is going to
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be an incident, an attack, whatever you want to call it, and not knowing
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when? Yes. We've always been that way, we just talk about it more
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now. And I think we've seen so many incidents recently, particularly in this country,
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and access to knives has, you know, there's been an ongoing issue around
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how people can access knives so easily, underage people. There's— it's highly publicized,
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and I think the government has rightfully so decided that it's time to put some
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kind of regulation in place to ensure that people can feel
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safe, because that's a lot of it as well. You want to go somewhere,
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you want to feel safe. Yeah.
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Does the technology detect contraband as well? When I say contraband, I mean,
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you know, obviously we've spoken, we've used the word knife
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on here a few times now about detecting objects and, you know, weapons and things
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like that. Does the hardware actually detect things like drugs?
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The ones you walk through yourself? No, that's a secondary
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screening level. So we have that equipment Um,
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we've only seen really this year we've had interest from festivals about
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deploying that, I think, where they predict they're going to particularly have issues.
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Um, what we've seen a lot of people do is have dogs. If the dogs
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identify a person, they'll then use our equipment to confirm
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the presence of contraband, narcotics, whatever it might be.
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But we don't have access to, that I'm aware of in this country,
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anything that you can walk through and it will detect drugs on you.
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Okay, that's interesting. So tell me about statistically,
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you've already mentioned that the hardware that you deploy on event
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sites can be used for generating all sorts of metrics, you know, not least counting
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people on site. But taking it back to the actual
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subject of security, in the last decade, for example,
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have you seen statistically your hardware detecting, are there
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more logged incidents uh, at events that you have got
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hardware deployed at where they have detected weapons,
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objects, things that have been confiscated from people? Uh, you know,
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is that statistically something you can see a trend of?
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Yes. So out of all the hardware we offer, only 2 of the
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types of equipment machinery have a process where after screening,
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the security officer selects what has been found
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on the person or if it was a random alarm.
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That's uploaded to a database and then security officers
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and analysts look at that to see how they can improve the machine.
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But other pieces of equipment like your standard x-rays and archways, we would never know.
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We have feedback from clients that it's good, but as we're not always on
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site for the events, it's quite hard to say. What I can say from personal
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experience is I've been to a lot of trials at Premier League football clubs,
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at events, be it sporting or music,
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and we've seen the presence of our
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machinery leading to people disregarding items before they even get to the perimeter.
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We, when we're doing a trial, will always have kind of a box, our version
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of an amnesty box if you will, where you can surrender the item before it
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gets to the point that you would be screened. I know some events have that
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as well, but we see a difference. Whether it's across
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every event, it's hard to say without being there, and I definitely can't give a
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reliable statistic on that. No, sure, sure. Um, in terms
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of sort of the public perception side of things, I appreciate that you're not the
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organizer, and an organizer ultimately is going to know their,
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their audience. But as a company who are working in this industry,
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how do you, do you perceive the public's interpretation
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of, of security when they're going through airports,
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into football stadiums, into sports arenas, into concerts,
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into events. Um, are we becoming
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more accustomed to this, and are we generally happy that this is happening now
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because we feel safer? Or do you see sort of public— have you experienced
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or seen public pushback from this, saying, why do we need all of this?
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What's, what's kind of your own feeling about it as a company working in that
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sector? People are becoming more and more accustomed to it, and actually they
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from what we see, they expect it. Um, I know I expect
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it when I go to a festival, when I buy a ticket and I want
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to go and see live music. I expect it. And if I don't go through
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security, I feel on edge. Now, I'm slightly different. I'm probably slightly more paranoid.
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I see a lot of this world that maybe the general public don't. But even
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going with friends and family, people expect to see
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it now. And, um, interestingly, we recently ran some polls on LinkedIn because we were
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curious as to what the feedback would be on our company page, and quite
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a few people seem to agree. I think people would find it extremely
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tedious if we had, you know, aviation-level security at every festival.
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But yeah, I think there should
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be proportionate security for the event, and I think most of the general public would
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agree. Yeah, and I think it comes back to sort of, you know,
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a common sort of way of thinking, which is if you've got nothing to hide,
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why would you be worried about it? You know, personally,
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if I'm going somewhere and I have to go through any form of security process
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then I think, great, they're working hard to,
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to keep me safe, and I've got nothing to hide, so I'm
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more than happy to participate. And so I,
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I'm always curious about people who sort of push back against this, and,
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um, you know, have they got something to hide? If you've got— if you
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think it's sort of, you know, reducing your freedom
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somehow, um, I'm, I'm not quite sure how to interpret
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people who think along those routes, because, you know, inevitably we live in a world
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where people— some certain people do want to cause other people harm,
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um, whether that's on a mass scale or a one-to-one scale.
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So anything that kind of helps us be a little bit safer,
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my own inclination is that I'm happy to participate. And, um,
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yeah, I, I'm curious to sort of observe people when they're going through stuff like
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this and, and see how they take it. Yeah, I totally agree.
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And I think what people don't realize is that a lot of these larger events,
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there are con ops going on and there are trained security officers
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watching how people react to the machines before they even go through it. Because as
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you say, that's a massive part of it. And that's why it's so important
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to understand if you're running or organizing any kind of event,
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this technology isn't your be-all and end-all. It needs to be integrated
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with good policies and procedures, a good team, you know, other measures.
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It shouldn't just be, oh, well, we've got some archways on the door, there's no
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knives in, we're fine. No, you know, you should still have people walking around,
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boots on the ground observing. You still need to have your showstop procedures. You still
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need to have all of these other things in place. It's not— I
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think for a long time people looked at perimeter security
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as very isolated, and it's not. And it works best, and the people
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have— with the strongest security have it all integrated together. There's different layers.
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And I think people— what we most commonly see, people don't
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like machines where there's visible cameras because what they don't want is
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their image being taken, or, you know. But there's very strict
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government guidance around GDPR. These machines
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are automated to only hold images if the unit has alarmed, which can
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be cleared by the operator who searches you if there's nothing on you. And only
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at the point where you had something particularly dangerous would this image be shared
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with the control room, and the control room then have to make the decision if
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they want to share it with law enforcement. But that is no different to CCTV,
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which by the way is on most of the public streets in London.
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So exactly, exactly. We're surrounded by
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it, aren't we? And it's what you've just said there, and the way that you
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phrased it suggests to me that as a business you have to stay,
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you know, intrinsically up to date to the absolute second.
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You must be checking this. You must have people in the business who are checking
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legislation, guidance, GDPR regulations,
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sort of almost on a daily, I dare say weekly basis, to make sure that
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you can then offer that advice and guidance back to your own clients. You must
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have to stay completely up to date with it in order to retain viability
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within the industry. 100%. And it's a massive— here, that sits under
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our ops team. It's a massive part of what they do. So the same people
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that are scheduling these works and arranging delivery of
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these machines, before they even get to the stage of booking a vehicle
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and having it delivered, know that it's fully compliant, know that
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there's going to be no kind of issues with legality or anything like that.
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Is there, is there any sort of training or guidance that
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is deployed by your team to event organizers, for example? Because I'm
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guessing that people may stop and ask questions about this when they're going into
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any given location, whether that's a sports stadium or,
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you know, a festival, whatever it may be. If the public are going to ask
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questions, what they want is to be able to give some sort
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of response. So is— are there briefings? What— how do your team brief the
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clients? Of course. So somebody engages
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with us, they either know what they want or they have no idea what they
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want, and it's normally that polar of opposites. Okay.
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Either way, whatever it is, we first of all will have a call with them,
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really get to understand what they need if it's our first time working with them.
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And if they've not seen the equipment we're suggesting, we always invite them down
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to our warehouses to see it. So we've got a demo room in our Midlands
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warehouse in Stratford-upon-Avon. We have got one of every piece of equipment
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ready to go at all times. Come down, bring what you're looking to find.
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We encourage you to test it, you know, bring the items that you expect
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to be an issue on your site, or if it's not your first year,
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know are an issue on your site, and let's find them. And as part of
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that, we will really explain to those people in the room
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how this works. We have to be quite careful because it's not something we
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can, you know, put on a website or on LinkedIn because you don't want that
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information falling into the hands of the wrong people. Absolutely. Because to understand the
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machine's benefits, you also know its weaknesses, and every machine has weaknesses. And if people
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don't tell that, they're lying to you. Yeah. But they can come here, they can
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see what it can do for themselves, see what else we have, because it might
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be that they have their heart set on something, but we know something else would
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work better. So we'll show them that. That's why it's particularly important for
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us as a company to work independent to any manufacturer, because I
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think sometimes manufacturers want their product to fit and they kind
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of make it fit. And, you know, with security, you cannot put a square peg
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in a round hole. What you are looking for depends on,
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you know, that's the crucial thing, and that dictates what security system you have,
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not the other way around, or it should. So they come here, they see all
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of those things, and then once we deliver the equipment to site, if it gets
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to that stage, we always send down trained engineers that do a handover. We recommend
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for your kind of head of security to be there for that, but if not,
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send down a supervisor, send down someone that's going to be using it. And our
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engineers do not leave the site until we have explained our side.
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We'll never tell you what to look for. Because that is operating the system and
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that's different. But we will tell you how the machine works. We'll tell you kind
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of with the equipment that takes photographs how that works, because there's often questions around
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that. And we have LMS platforms for
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anybody that has an approved, pre-approved email address that can
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go on there and have access to all of that information before delivery and also
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while the event is live. And how closely do you work? I mean,
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there are a handful, you know, I'll not name their names, but people know who
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they are. There's a handful of really sort of well-known companies within the events
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industry in the UK who are very visible at sports stadiums,
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at festivals, at concerts, etc., etc. Um, there's a handful
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of companies. Do you work, or have you worked closely with
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them to actually work with their management and their supervisors so that if you're
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going to be present at several events that they're going to be working at,
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or several locations that they're working at, do you work directly with those security
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teams as well? Yeah. So particularly 2 of them we work extremely closely
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with. We work with others, but 2 of the major ones we work very closely
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with. And a lot of the time, before they even get to a point of
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bidding for said event, will come to us and see what would be a good
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fit. And they have people fully trained in our equipment. They've had people
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come to our offices and do refreshers with our team, and they are, you know,
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they know what they're doing. It's fascinating,
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like you said, this multi-layered approach now, you know, that events
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are complicated machines, particularly, you know, the bigger end of things, and it
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could be so easy to sort of deploy this technology and
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it be sort of quite fragmented and people within organizations and within
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organizing communities not being fully aware of it.
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So it's great to hear that, you know, you're obviously working directly with those
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security companies and people who are actually delivering that. One final
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thing to sort of ask is from a budgetary point of view,
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again, is one thing that we've not really touched on today, but you mentioned
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about the warehouse and people being able to come down and see the equipment firsthand
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and see, you know, what certain bits of hardware do and what
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others can do. You know, how easy
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is it to work with clients from a budgetary point of view? Because inevitably
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this equipment costs. Over the last decade or so, you've probably
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worked with a lot of new festivals, live events
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um, you know, organizers who maybe haven't deployed this type of
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hardware before, who then have to— they know that they need it, they know that
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they— it's an important part of their organizational aspect,
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but they obviously have to factor that into their budgets. Um,
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how sort of important a process is that, that you are able to offer things
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at varying levels for clients? It's critical.
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And for any business to grow in this day and age, I think regardless of
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what industry you're in, that's critical. We typically are
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very proud of the fact that we are a premium company, we offer a premium
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service, but by that we mean the customer service, the engineers,
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the amount of times we can do a first fix on site, the fact that
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we will not allow equipment to be delivered without a technical handover
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from an engineer. That's where we're premium. It's not in terms of price.
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And whatever your budget is, it is more important to
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us, and I feel we have a responsibility you know,
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as citizens, as people that like to attend events, as people in this country full
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stop, to ensure that we can find something to make work. Because if any organizer
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is coming to us and they have already got that intention to implement
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security, we never want it to be
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the security company that stops that from happening. It's true, you know.
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No, it can't be that. We've, um, we've been talking today on the podcast
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to Mia Moles, the Business Support Director for DeTechnology UK,
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talking about modern-day security deployment,
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hardware deployment particularly on event sites, how that's evolved over
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the 36 years of them being in business.
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Um, Mia, before we wrap up today's podcast, tell us,
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uh, if people want to find out a little bit more about what you guys
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do, where do they need to go and how do they do that? Of course,
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so our full product listing is available on our website, that's www.dtechnology.co.uk,
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and we also have a LinkedIn page that we are really trying to keep up
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to date. Um, and a general inquiry email address which is info@dtechnology.co.uk.
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Fabulous. Thanks so much for joining us on the podcast today. Really fascinating.
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I've been trying to think, have we ever sort of tackled this
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sort of particular subject and have we had a guest on before
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that is even remotely similar? And I can't say that we have in all the
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years of doing the Events in News podcast that we've spoken specifically about
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event security, but specifically about the hardware and to a company
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that deal in the sector that you do. So it's, it's been, it's been genuinely
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interesting to have the, the podcast today and to find out a little
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bit about the world that you guys operate in. And if anybody out there listening
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or watching today's podcast has got any more questions or wants
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to find out a little bit more, if there's anything that I've completely not asked
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Mia today that you would like to ask yourselves, then do get in touch with
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those guys. Like we said, dtechnology.co.uk is the
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website to go to, and as Mia said, LinkedIn, you'll find them on there as
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well. So a couple of mentions for stuff happening at Event Industry News.
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Before we wrap up today's podcast. Um, plenty of news features,
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special supplements, all available on the eventindustrynews.com
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mentioned. Once again, my thanks today to my guest Mia Moles
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from d.technology. And it's, uh, been a pleasure to talk all things security on
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today's edition of the Events Industry News Podcast. We'll see you all again very soon.
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Goodbye.