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The views expressed in the following program are those of
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the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of
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Saga nine sixty am or its management.
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Hello, Lenna, Hello, ed, how you doing.
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I I'm through the week.
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Yeah, well that's sometimes I think lately many of us,
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that's the only answer that you can give in a
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short amount of time.
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I yes, I mean I am still going and that
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is something.
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All right, Well that's a good thing. Yeah. Now, oh man,
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it's something I was gonna ask you right off the top,
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and I forgot. I hate that. Does that happen to
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you all the time? Okay, So it's not just me
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where you think, oh this is, this is too big.
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I'm not gonna forget this and it's gone.
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Oh no, I never think that. I always assume I
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will forget it because I will.
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Well, okay, you are in better, You're prepared for this
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better than I am. I should know that this is
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gonna happen. And yet I'm all Sometimes it's because I'm
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not near anywhere I can jot something down, and so
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I tell myself, oh yeah, this is oh no, no, this,
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I've been thinking about this, this is oh yeah, this
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is gonna be and then it's gone and like not
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even the edges of it are there. You know sometimes
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if you have your memory, like you can sort of
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feel the edges. Yeah, what might have led you to
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this thing? You can backtrack nothing. There's no edges whatsoever
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to this whole thing. So let's just move on to
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something I'm very curious about from you. What is it?
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Captain dun't count? What is Count Binface?
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Okay?
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Count Binface is in character an independent space warrior who
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wears a bin shaped helbot.
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A bin is a trash can in.
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British and he recently well the results are probably in
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by now, but he was running against Nigel Farrage for
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the in the the by election by election seat because
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Nigel Frush figures corruption is fine as long as you
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just you know, get re elected again any easy writing.
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Nigel an English MP or wants to be in English
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one time English MP was.
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Then probably is again by now.
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Yeah, and the corrupt guy he was on the the
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leave part of Brexit, which is screwed screwed in. Then
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afterwards Comedia afterwards said we liked all you people. It's
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gonna be it's gonna be horrible. Yeah, and so who
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Captain bin Face counts count Sorry, he's.
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A writer and comedian named Jonathan David Harvey. But he's
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way like At first, I'm like, okay, this is just
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funny looking. But I watched some of the interviews he did,
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and he he is very impressive.
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Did he talk through the garbage can on his head?
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Yeah?
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You could hear him. Yeah.
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It was like Moty Python meets a Terry Gilliam movie.
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It was spectacular.
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Now did they in the interviews they refer to him
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as Count Binface? Yes, okay, because you gave away a
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secret identity, which kind of.
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Well, it's no, and this isn't the first time he's run.
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Was he on the ballot actually on the ballot, Yes,
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but he was.
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It was one of those things where there were like
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thirty three joke candidates.
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Yeah, but he's the one that got recognized. Is he
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on the ballot as Count Binface?
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I I asked that, and I got mixed answers.
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Apparently, you can be and this could be wrong. This
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is just what I was told, But you can be
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on the ballot in the UK, is.
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Anything you want?
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I like that, Yeah, and I I was.
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A little surprised.
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If that's true. I would not be surprised if he
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pulls quite well for a fringe joke candidate. Because if
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you're going in to vote and you do not want
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Nigel Farage and you don't know any of these other folks,
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and you see Count Binface, you're good. I'd vote for
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Count Binface.
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I mean, he essentially ran unopposed.
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And the the story is less that you know, Nigel
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Farage got a seatback and more that this was ever
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a thing.
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I mean, this is about as close as close to
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a repudiation as you can get here.
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What's the repudiation of Nigel Farag? What? What? Because somebody
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entered as Count Binface.
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And and gave him a run for his money?
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Well okay, yeah, but the real repudiation would have been
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Farage not being elected.
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That wasn't ever probably going to.
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How do these I mean, how do these people who
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have to resign in disgrace in politics, how do they
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wind up running again and winning?
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Well, it reminds me of that episode of the Blackadder
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show writing Borough episode one, the rotten Borough episode. Well,
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it was.
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A politics episode where you know, it was a borough
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of basically one person, Edmin Burgoo.
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Who don't know, is a political district like a writing
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or you know that.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was an episode that basically dealt with how messed
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up British politics has been for quite some time.
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And uh it you know, but I remember the law
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and was I believe in this candidate.
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I believe so much in him that I voted for
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him twelve times, that's yeah.
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And so it.
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Was, you know, it was a goof on how messed
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up that politics can be.
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In the days of the big Blue machine in Ontario,
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like thirty two years of uninterrupted Yeah, the Conservative government
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in Ontario. The joke was in provincial elections for the Conservatives,
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dead men vote twice.
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Yeah, yeah, and so I mean that's sort of what
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is going on there.
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But it, yes, I I solute count binface.
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It made the frustration and dreariness of modern politics a
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little brighter.
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Well, I mean, you look at Zelensky, who was a
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comedian who did a TV show where he played the
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prime Minister of president I'm so stupid, I don't member
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of his country and ran as a lark and one
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wound up in the most turbulent existential threat to his
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country ever.
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Leading it And you know, to his credit, hasn't done
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that he's done.
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He's done well. Most people expected Russia would walk in
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there over a weekend.
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I I do not envy Zelenski's position, Like I don't
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know if anybody. It's hard to say, oh, he's done
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a great job with the you know, loss of life
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and copious war crimes.
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But it's tough.
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You know, they're fighting for their for their lives there,
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like literally the life of their country, and he's managed
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to keep the resistance going when people expected they would
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fold like a card table. So yeah, respect And you know,
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when wars go along too long or very long and
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start getting they start to get vicious, and.
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Well, this this one was brutal from the jump.
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Russians were horrible.
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Yeah, it was never there is never not brutal.
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I don't think there's ever been a war where once
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where both sides haven't been found to have committed some
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war crimes. Yeah, I mean, I'm not. I'm saying, let's
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look at the reality of the situation, which is that still.
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Though there's been a lot of war crimes, I just
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I just want to not downplay so many war crimes.
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Well, yeah, you have to wonder how many are the
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results of over zealous units and things like that. I
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haven't read enough to know, but.
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Well, there's there's some of that, but it's it's just
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really brutal circumstances as well.
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Well, that's the nature of war. So many people do
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not understand. War is horrible. War is not what we
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see in movies where you know, often times it's conquering aliens. Uh.
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War is not something where that you can get through
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with your hands clean. War is not something where civilians
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aren't put into into peril, into misery or killed. War
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is ugly, War is vicious. War is not something where
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you can become or you can get glory. It's like
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Yoda said, uh when when Luke said he was looking
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for a great warrior, and Yoda said, war not make
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doesn't make one great, or war were not make one great,
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whatever he said. But basically, there's no such thing as
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a There's not nothing great about war. There's nothing great
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in the sense of that's fantastic about war. And the
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problem is, so we've been so anesthetized, uh to as
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to what war is other than saving private Ryan, which
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that opening beach scene that talked that showed the horribleness war.
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We have this idea of war. You know, it's like
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those you know shows which will show a bomb going
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off and then the people who were bombed staggering out
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right just with smoke, and it's like, no, they would
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have their body parts blown apart. But no, no, we're
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assured that if you take this action, you know, because
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you're righteous, well, that you're not really doing anything wrong.
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You're not really harming anybody. So people are so bloody
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naive as to the realities of war that they think
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that wars that are going on now, which get a
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lot of publicity, are something different than they've ever been.
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And that's the problem just and this is I mean,
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you got to do that. When you're in America, America,
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which is a martial culture that relies on its military,
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you have to create media that says that being in
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the military is a good thing. You've got to promote that.
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But we shouldn't be accepting it. War is a bloody,
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disgusting business and that's why it should be avoided. But
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people people like, oh, this is this has never been
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done before. It's like, get your head out of your
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zygote ass. It's been done forever. So anyway, I as
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yees zygotass.
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They're a punk band.
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That would be a good name. So I hope count
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Binface did well for himself.
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I just I'm just glad somebody did something, even if
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it was, you know, a pyrrhic victory, and it just
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I don't know it put Nigel Farage unnoticed.
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People don't like you, Nigel far.
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They don't like him. He got elected enough people like him.
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Oh yeah, but there was there was no doubt he
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was gonna right.
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That's the thing that bothers me is that when somebody
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is somebody's corrupt and proven corrupt, the public should have
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enough of an interest in decent government to not just
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put that person back because what their party is or whatever,
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they should be out. They shouldn't even be allowed to
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run again.
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But I mean there's there's politicians with strong attachments like
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that to a lot of writings, right, I mean, he's
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hardly the only one I know.
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But I don't like it. I mean, the reason bad
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politicians get elected is because they get elected. It is
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because people vote for them. You know what, By the way,
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you know what I forgot to do when we started,
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I knew I forgot something. I forgot to start the timer,
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so we got at break. Okay, come back, okay, okay,
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all right back after.
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All right, we're back, heleena eh. Okay. First of all,
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it was twelve basically twelve minutes forty seconds, which means
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that there is the opportunity to actually break this show
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into segments of almost equal length. Let's go mess that
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up there, guaranteed. But speaking of what we were talking
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about beforehand, do you know how many people send me
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messages and the SoC for prime Minister? No, you wouldn't know,
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And that was a rhetorical question. I realized lots of people,
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lots of people would. I think the sad thing is
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if had the kind of system like in the States,
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where you just put a person's name and they could
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run for federal leader for prime minister, I would get
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a non insignificant number of votes. And let me tell
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you something that bugs me because I shouldn't get any Okay,
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what would qualify me to be? I mean, I think
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what it is is people are looking for somebody who
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they believe in, and for god, I don't know what
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people believe in me. I guess because I've pretty much
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remained me even as the times change. I have remained
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myself relative to the times in this sense that as
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the times have become more enlightened and we've learned that
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the ways we were harming other people and we stop.
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I've stopped that too, not to get popular or be relevant,
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but because okay, you know what, I recognize that was
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wrong and so let's not do that again. So but
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it's tried to add the SoC for prime minister. How
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much good could I I'm probably doing more good with
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this podcast in my radio show than I could do
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with Prime minister. I don't know.
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the head of a party.
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You know what.
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I almost wonder if I couldn't start a party. Remember
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I started the f You party years ago?
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People, well the you you have to jump through hoops
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to make it an official party. Oh yeah, and I
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don't I don't mind that. We don't need every nincome
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poop with an axe to grind starting a party. But
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it's just this is an indication of the times we're
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in that there are people out there who would enthusiastically
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put their support behind me to lead this country as
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opposed to other people. The confidence in leaders is so gone.
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I mean in Canada right now, the confidence in our
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current Prime Minister is quite high, unusually high it this
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long in office. So it's not like we have in
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Canada the same dissatisfaction nationally. But we had and we
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will again don't. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is no,
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I don't wish to be prime minister. I don't wish
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to be mayor. I don't wish to be dog catcher.
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I don't are dog catchers ever elected? You know a
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place where dog catchers are elected?
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I'm not sure.
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I know the phrase, yeah, yeah, couldn't be elected dog catcher.
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the on the ballot? Why would you like, why would
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somebody campaign to be the dog catcher? What would that
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campaign look like? I can dogs and anyone else like,
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what what would it be like, especially in the States,
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like they'd be using I don't know, trank guns that
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look like M sixteen's. Like, I don't understand why anybody, Yeah,
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there's dog catcher an elected position.
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There's there's gotta be a story behind that turn of phrase.
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Unless the irony is that nobody elects dog catchers. Unless
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that's part of the joke. I think it is, and
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we have just uh, you know, as time has rolled on,
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the irony has disappeared because we're so distant from the
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time when that was created.
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Well, and people everybody wants to vote for everything now,
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not recognizing that that's not you know, the only element
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of representative democracy.
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People are idiots. This is the bottom line. I have
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never before been so convinced that the massive humanity are idiots.
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And some of them I'm not including people who are uninformed, Okay,
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people who had no access to information or education. Their
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intellectual capacity is unregistered. At this point, we don't know.
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But there are people out there who are just stupid,
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just morons. They and this isn't about their intellectual capacity.
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It is about their willingness to accept bs, their willingness
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to think that whatever comes out of their mouth has
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to be fact, their willingness to hold on to hoary
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old cliches as being something that is immovable, you know,
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amongst human dynamics. It's just they don't care. They don't
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know anything. And rather than saying, you know, I don't
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know anything about this subject, they talk about it anyway,
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and they're idiots. We Like I said in the previous podcast,
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humanity is not at all far from the Frankenstein movies
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of the nineteen thirties. Humans are still carrying torches and pitchforks.
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It's just different looking. But it's this is humans are
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not all that evolved as a people. Oh some are?
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Yeah, Well those the reason do they have to be?
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You know, I would think that bettering yourself is something
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that you would want to do for yourself.
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Oh no, quite the opposite.
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Well, so I understand. Yeah, I'm tired of public opinion.
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Public opinion is founded in general ignorance.
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Well, I mean, public opinion just tells you what people think.
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It doesn't mean what's right.
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No, no, well okay, that is true. It doesn't tell
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you what people think they haven't thought. It tells you
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what people are saying.
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Well, it's it's what people have absorbed, like what's made
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it into the parubial bloodstream.
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Yeah, that is that. That is the accurate thing. Yeah,
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it's what people have absorbed and are spitting back at us. Yeah,
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it's you know, it's like, as you said on It's
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Not Therapy your podcast, that being ostracized from the group
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is a fear that is brainstem in humans because if
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you were ostracized from the group back then you died.
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You couldn't hunt on your own, you like you were dead.
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So people want to do a lot of people want
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to belong in that that group. It makes them feel comfortable.
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So yeah, their comfort in being a part of something
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is greater than their their discomfort might be with saying
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something they don't know if it's it's true.
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I read an interesting.
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That there's this philosophy substack I subscribe to, because like, yeah,
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nothing's nerdier than I subscribe to a philosophy substack.
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I am aware, I am aware, I own my nerd.
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But it talked about the idea that.
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You know, doing a lot of stuff on authenticity and
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how very little is anymore.
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And it was about this.
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Idea that we run things by other people. You know, hey,
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can you look this over or just you know, it's
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what you want to say. You know, it's honest, you
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know there's nothing quote unquote wrong with it. But if
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you run it by somebody and somebody gets upset. Then
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the blame is shared.
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Because they gave it to the Okay, yes, so something
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can say, well, Joe thought it was good to have
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that as much music where uh this this guelfling would
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talk about something and say, uh, you know, an objection
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to something I'd done, and would say so and so
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agreed with me. And my thought was so and so
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in publicity agree with you, or so and so in
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marketing agreed with you. So what, I'm sure you could
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find people that agree with you. That's not the issue.
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The issue is did I say anything that was factually wrong,
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that broke broadcast codes or what was morally morally wrong? No,
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shut up, guelfling.
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Yeah the well so and so agreement and they're not
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there right, yeah to say whether they do or not.
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So that's a bit of a pop out or a
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lot of a pop up.
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Well you never know if the person they're they're agreeing
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was uh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like
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just not even barely listening to be quiet. Yeah yeah,
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like just like it's like swatting a mosquito.
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Ye I don't want to hear you complain anymore, so yeah, sure, Yeah,
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it's not like they fully endorsed anything.
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No, yes, you're right, they're terrible. Can you stop bothering
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me now?
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Yeah? Yeah, exactly. I have actual things in my life. Yeah,
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so yeah, I mean that's it's just it is so
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disappointing to see how little humanity has evolved, you know,
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in human dynamics. I use that term again because it
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sounded clever in our ability to to speak as individuals,
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to stand as individuals, to be willing to stand for something.
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The the the need to be a part of some
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amorphous mass of humanity overrides so many of the concerns
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people might have, because the biggest concern is not being
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a part of something.
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See, this is.
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Something I wish I was better at following along with
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the group.
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Because it gets me in trouble that I'm.
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Not all right.
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And yeah, it is important to be able to do it.
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And sometimes I know I'm just supposed to be grouble here.
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I know I am, but but this is hard and
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I feel like the rumblings of dissent start in me,
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like with that the clumeate flames, flames is the side
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of my face, you know, and I just can't do it,
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and I know it's going to go badly, But I
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also know I'm going to feel worse if I'm not honest.
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Well, see, that's the thing. For you. What is the
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greater discomfort not being a part of this group or
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not being honest. The greater discomfort is not being honest.
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For a lot of people, the greater discomfort is not
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being part of this. And you know what, Okay, I
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don't want to be normal. For one thing, there is
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no such thing that's typical or standard or the fail
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safe position, the default position. I don't want to be
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living in a default position. But the other thing is
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that they say you're judged by the company you keep.
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I think you're also judged by the company you don't
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keep or the company that won't keep you. I think
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that when you're not part of a certain group, that
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is a good judgment on you as well. There's you know,
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Groucho Marx. I wouldn't belong to any club that would
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have me as a member like it's. There are so
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many groups that I am so glad to stand distinctly
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away from that rather than be immersed. I can't think
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of a group like a group that I wish to
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be immersed into. I wish to sublimate my identity. Maybe
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the blue Blazer, but that's a very small group.
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I would just like to have anything be able to
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anything that good happened to me. Anybody want to do
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something in public with me and not have to give
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them the okay I have stalkers discussion.
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I would really love to not have to do that anymore.
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Yeah, I would really love. I wish there really were
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was a Jewish space laser, because then maybe I could
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get once a year, I could get like targets I
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could use because I would I would target a couple
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of people.
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Well, and I go back and forth. Is the problem
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that I'm not agreeable enough? Or is the problem that
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other people don't have backbone and they don't say to
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the people who just won't shut up lying about me.
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Like will you just stop shut up? Well one cares no.
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Well, they see the viciousness that these people come at
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you with. They don't want that being directed at them.
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And who can blame them?
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I can't. I mean, I understand there's people people online
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complaining that non Jews haven't come forward or other Jews
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haven't come forward to debunk the lies about about Israel.
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Because there's a lot of lies in the media. There's truth,
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but there's a lot of lies. And my understanding is
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they see the viciousness which with literally crowd descends on people.
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They don't they don't know that they can handle that
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in their life. And you know what, I get it now.
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I don't like the idea that we are being that
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people are being intimidated by terror tax but.
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It works, but it works well. And then the question is,
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you know what do you do about it? Right? Like,
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what is what.
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Is the solution? Nothing? In in uh pluralistic democratic society
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like we have, you can't stop people from loudly speaking
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unpopular views or even lies. There are lines that you
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can't do. You can't publicly threaten an individual, for example, Well.
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You can't make a immediate and specific threat.
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You can make all specific threats. You can make veiled threats.
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You got mak an immediate specific threat.
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The veil doesn't even have to be that thick. You
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can still you can make threats that are so clearly threats.
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But if it doesn't feel but if it's.
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If it's not immediate, then nobody can do nothing.
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Yeah, it's stupid, stupid. How many people have been heard
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or worse because because the uh the person said, they
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were you know, I'm gonna one of these days, you're
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gonna get it, or I'm gonna give you what you deserve. Well,
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that's not a direct threat. And then the person gets
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the crap beat out of them or killed.
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Well, they go, she's dangerous, she's dangerous. They don't really
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say why, they just put that into the blood strain.
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Yeah, that you're dangerous, and these people who are attacking
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you over nothing, you're dangerous.
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Yeah.
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But you know, all it takes is one person who
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is not totally in reality to go, she's dangerous.
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I have to do something.
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Yeah, I mean, I thank god we live in Canada,
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where incidents like that are far lower than in the States.
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Well, I try not to follow that Luigi Mangione thing
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in the States because that is scary to me.
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It's the States.
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Yeah, but the you know, the fact that people think
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he did the right thing.
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Well, the idea that violence is never the answer in
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the States, it's like, uh yeah a lot of the
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times it is.
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So I just I don't because did anything get any better? Okay,
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health insurance, No, it didn't.
490
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That's the thing, not a thing, and it didn't make
491
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what did he think he was? So Luigi, okay, going
492
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no break, coming back, Okay, coming back.
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Okay, stream us live at Saga nine am dot C.
494
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Okay, So Luigi.
495
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If Luigi Mangoni had created like Count trash Head that
496
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.759
Captain trash Head instead of Count in face and mocked
497
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.000
healthcare CEOs, I would be his biggest fan.
498
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.720
But I would also get more traction. It would also
499
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:05.480
change nothing. Now Luigi Mangioni is a rich kid who
500
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:10.759
killed the CEO of a US health management organization and
501
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:16.799
HMO's in the US. They are evil. They cause people misery.
502
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.160
I mean healthcare in the US. Oh, you have.
503
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:26.480
No idea like I have American clients, right, yeah, And
504
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.839
I am stunned.
505
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.799
Simple things that are no big deal in Canada.
506
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.960
Like a sleep test, for instance, it's this big deal.
507
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.559
And you know, American politicians go on and about the
508
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.599
wait times.
509
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.880
They're unbelievable in the US.
510
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.880
I mean, if you wanna not wait, and you know,
511
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you want to pay out of pocket like just cash,
512
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.200
well then it's faster. But the whole point of having
513
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.720
insurance is you're not supposed to have to do that,
514
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:00.319
you know.
515
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.440
Yeah, it's it's a horrible it's despicable. But that's like
516
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.359
it wasn't that Daffy Duck. You're despicable. The how many
517
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.119
Warner Brothers cartoons wouldn't have endured without some kind of
518
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:16.160
speech impediment.
519
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.720
But anyway, canceled today.
520
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.640
Yeah, well I'm glad.
521
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.440
Well, I mean, the Coyote versus Acme is back, so
522
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.039
maybe not.
523
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.079
That's in August. I want to see that. Anyway. So
524
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.400
he killed this this ceo of a healthcare company, He
525
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.119
shot him, killed him in broad daylight. And what did
526
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.039
he think that was going to accomplish? Do you think
527
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.720
there aren't five guys knifing each other in the back
528
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.039
metaphorically to get that guy's position already? Like what did
529
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.680
he think that? Did he think that was gonna incite
530
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:53.079
a massive rebellion across the country? It did nothing, I
531
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.200
absolutely did nothing. But it gave Americans something to cheer
532
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.240
for because it was violent action. Americans love violent action.
533
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.680
Well, the fact that they're cheering is what I find
534
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:07.200
so chilling.
535
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.799
Yeah, because why why are you cheering? What did he do?
536
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.720
What did he accomplish? Like he did something, but what
537
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.480
did he accomplish? Absolutely nothing changed in the healthcare system.
538
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.000
Welly, he shot a guy dead, that's what he did.
539
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.720
And for some odd reason, this is heroics in this.
540
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.599
Doesn't America doesn't know what heroism is anymore.
541
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.480
It doesn't make any sense to me.
542
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.759
Like, like you said, it's all nothing, and you know,
543
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.039
I I found it terrifying that people were like, oh.
544
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.680
That's good, Like, no, no, it's not. Say somebody gets
545
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.880
mad at you and thinks that they have the right
546
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.720
to shoot you because they're mad at you. Is this
547
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.200
a good way to solve problems?
548
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.279
Now, No, not when it happens to you, just when
549
00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.400
it happens to someone else.
550
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.799
Murricans believe gun violence is a viable political statement.
551
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.559
It's just so messed up.
552
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.920
Yeah, I mean the cracks in the reality of American
553
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.039
society that have been showing the last handful of years.
554
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.000
They were things that were suspected before, but now it's
555
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.720
just right out in the open. How Cary, Well, these
556
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.640
people have been our neighbor. It's like discovering somebody's been
557
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:33.240
your neighbor for years and then it's discovered that they
558
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:37.880
have bodies buried in their basement. You know, it's America.
559
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.000
The stuff that's going on in the US now is
560
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.920
not new Donald trumpken.
561
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.000
Started it's like that, Billy joels.
562
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.039
We didn't start the fight.
563
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.920
We didn't start the fire.
564
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.920
Yeah, it's like it's always been.
565
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.279
Since the world's been turning. That is like one of
566
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.720
my least favorite Billy Jolson.
567
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.960
Oh I hate that song, not just me, I hate
568
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.599
Compare that. Compare that to Vienna or you may be right,
569
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.519
or any of his earliers or anything off glass houses
570
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.960
or the Nylon curtain and you know, good Night's Saigon.
571
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:18.559
Compare that to character failure, that horrible song anyway.
572
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.880
Like people go on about woke now.
573
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.920
That that song was just naming a bunch of stuff
574
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:25.599
he didn't like.
575
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.880
Okay, they it was political. They were objectively to me
576
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.320
bad thing. Like he was pointing out, there's been bad
577
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:41.320
chapters in history before this, which, okay, that can offer
578
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.360
a perspective, but only if you bother paying attention.
579
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.639
That song was woke as anything.
580
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.039
They did a new one, Fallout Boy or somebody did
581
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.719
an updated version, and it wasn't anywhere near as good.
582
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.880
The things they added, no, the the the word playing stuff,
583
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.960
not nearly as good. It was terrible.
584
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:01.800
Well yeah, I mean.
585
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:08.519
Lyrically it it, you know, it took breath control and
586
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.039
things like that. Technically, it's I see the merits as
587
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.039
a song, all right when people go on about woke,
588
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.280
Now I think of songs like that and like, you
589
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.360
don't get more woke than we didn't start the fire?
590
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.239
Well, you know me, my my belief is that saying
591
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.159
something as woke is like wearing a T shirt that
592
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.719
says I'm with stupid and the arrow points up at
593
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.159
your face. But we got to go to a break, okay,
594
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:48.039
all right, back after this, all right, all right, so
595
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.760
we let segment one, segment two. Okay, this okay, it's
596
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.159
not completely balanced segments, but it'll be. It'll be closer.
597
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.559
He didn't start the segment.
598
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.880
Well, we did start the segments, but I'm a very
599
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:02.840
bad timekeeper.
600
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.239
I'm always timing and I'm not I'm rhyming. We didn't
601
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:08.239
start to see.
602
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.159
Oh my cat just scratched me. Oh stop that. You
603
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.119
know you got to go out out of the studio.
604
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:24.440
Why would I why use me? All right? Have you
605
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.719
heard of claw GPT claude claw c l a W.
606
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.000
I had to look that up to claw Oh wait
607
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.199
wait yeah, yeah, it's something apparently that Anyway, this guy
608
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:41.000
in Australia was using this AI system and he said,
609
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.199
he said, to the I system, book me a time
610
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.519
at my at the gym I belonged to. So the
611
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.960
AI went discovered there was there was no availability at
612
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.960
that time, so it hacked into the system and bumped
613
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.400
the person who had been booked and put the their
614
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.559
their master in there. And when the guy he said
615
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:07.239
reverse it, the AI said, can't. And this is interesting
616
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:13.400
in this, but like what kind of guardrails are there
617
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.639
or not there that the AI doesn't realize, go and
618
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.559
see if there's any openings and takes it as no,
619
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.639
put me in there no matter what, and then does
620
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.679
something which is illegal in order to in order to
621
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.199
satisfy that command.
622
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.960
Well, I mean, an AI doesn't understand illegal, right, Well,
623
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.119
you know understand I have tasked perform tasks.
624
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.880
But it should drawing on its database, there should be
625
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.639
it should be aware of laws.
626
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.960
Well it it's it's not aware of anything.
627
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:50.760
It's a large language model.
628
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.000
What I mean is it should have been programmed into
629
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.760
its large language model to obey laws, especially with stuff
630
00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:59.920
having to do with cyber Well, it.
631
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.119
Is it is supposed to be programmed.
632
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.599
In Yeah, well it's not.
633
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.440
It's clearly not like that's I mean, they have had
634
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:22.239
boughts defy programming that way and like just pull shenanigans.
635
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.400
But yeah, it's that kind of stuff. Something went very
636
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:29.079
very wrong.
637
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.599
Well, you wonder how like this is what we've heard about,
638
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:34.440
what about the wides we haven't.
639
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:40.440
Also, I think they generally do disclose them because they
640
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.559
don't want to get caught not disclosing them.
641
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
Okay, I hope that's true. Now here's another thing in
642
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.199
the similar landscape. Do you know anybody who's involved in
643
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.960
crypto who isn't a complete sleeves ball.
644
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.960
Complete I don't.
645
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.239
I don't know if the people I know involved in
646
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.679
crypto are complete sleeve balls. They are definitely at least
647
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.199
sleezball adjacent.
648
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.440
So they're on the sleeve ball scale.
649
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.920
They're on the sleezball spectrum.
650
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.320
Yes, I have never known anybody championing crypto to me
651
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.480
who was not clearly some kind of hustler. Like it's wow,
652
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.840
Like it seems like digital snake oil.
653
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.039
You have to have a tolerance for risk that may
654
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.760
or may not be healthy for crypto to appeal.
655
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.199
Well, first of all, most people like me I believe,
656
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.360
don't know what the hell this is, don't know enough
657
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.360
to know if we should invest in it or not.
658
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.039
And everybody I know who said, you know what, you
659
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.760
got to get in on this just a sleeze ball.
660
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.079
Well, crypto is for people that have money to throw
661
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.639
around that they won't miss if they lose it all.
662
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.079
And that ain't me. So what are they coming to
663
00:39:59.119 --> 00:39:59.480
me for.
664
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.199
I guess they think you're super wealthy or something like that.
665
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.519
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like I've said on the radio
666
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.039
show in other places, after nearly forty years in the
667
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.360
Canadian entertainment industry, entertaining people for decades, I could retire
668
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.159
tomorrow and live a complete life of leisure as long
669
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.840
as I die by the weekend, right, you know. And
670
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:28.039
that's the truth. Anyway. I was just thinking about because
671
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:29.880
I was listening to the thing about how much money
672
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.239
Trump has made in crypto.
673
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.840
Okay, but he's providing the coins, like.
674
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.920
But it was just of course he's involved in crypto.
675
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.360
Oh, his son is big into it.
676
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.559
Well, I mean that whole family, maybe not Ivanka, but
677
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:51.199
that the men in that family. They're all crooks, every
678
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:51.639
one of.
679
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:57.719
Them, even Jared. Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, I said that euphimistic.
680
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.199
Jared got something recently and I was like, we had
681
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.400
a brother, but of course he's named Josh. He has
682
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.599
a brother, yeah, Josh. Okay, Josh is one of those names,
683
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.960
you know, Josh, Yeah, Josh, it's it's I don't know,
684
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:21.559
it's Josh is just a guy, you know what I mean, Josh.
685
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.360
Josh is never assertive, Like, no Josh's that I've known
686
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.880
have ever been really like assertive. They're always sort of
687
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.599
gamma males down down the level.
688
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.119
When you get stuck with the name Josh, I mean,
689
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.679
you do have some somewhat limited options.
690
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.079
Well not only because every other Josh has ruined it
691
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.519
for them. They gotta get together these Josh's.
692
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.119
What was that show she hug when the guy it
693
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.480
was named Josh, I'm like, oh, red flag, oh.
694
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.920
Yeah, you right away nails his name was Josh deliberate.
695
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.400
I'm like, his name is Josh, red flag.
696
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:02.159
Yeah, Josh, Like Josh is kind of a half entity.
697
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.719
And if somebody takes that name on as a as
698
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.679
a false id, they're trying to come in and seem harmless.
699
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.679
Well, it's also it's Josh not Joshua.
700
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.559
Yeah, because the joshuas I know, not red flag at all.
701
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.559
Oh, you know what, You're right, Joshua is not the
702
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:24.639
same as Josha.
703
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.280
No, it's josh It's not Joshua.
704
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.800
Yeah. Is that the same as Mike and Michael's.
705
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:38.639
I I Mike is less because Mike is just so common, right.
706
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.679
Yeah. I know a guy whose name is Michael, who
707
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.639
if you call them Mike, he'd say, Mike is the
708
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.679
plumber's name. And I'm like, I didn't need to know
709
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.639
the name of your plumber. But his point was that
710
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.719
Mike is a that name given to low class laborers
711
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.679
as opposed to him. And okay, as you can tell,
712
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.239
the guy was a douche Canoe.
713
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.960
But still, right, what is a douche Canoe?
714
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:07.840
It's a douche who has room for other douches going
715
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.559
along with him. I don't know what, just take that up.
716
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.519
I don't, okay, I because I've always wondered it's.
717
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.360
It's more than just being a standard ground level douche.
718
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:26.079
All right, Canoe and it's a canoe. Yes, I wonder why.
719
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.440
With all the nostalgia wave mister Canoe had has not
720
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.000
come back.
721
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.639
You know why? Because Canadian nostalgia. It's basically mister dress
722
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:35.960
up and littlest Hobo.
723
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.400
That's too bad because we have some quality nostalgia.
724
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.480
Absolutely what we what we don't have is a media
725
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.639
industry to feed it. Yeah.
726
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.480
Well, I was saying, I I don't know what's gonna
727
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:50.920
go on with euro Vision.
728
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.880
Story God, yeah, that's another. Okay, we gotta go to
729
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.039
break come back. We got a few minutes then, okay.
730
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:04.599
All right, no radio, no problem. Stream is live on
731
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.039
Sago nine six am dot c A.
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Sorry we didn't start the fire.
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No we're not.
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Since the word's been turning.
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That song is kind of like a throw your shoulders
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and throw your arms up, like, oh, it's been going
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on a long time, Like it's it's a.
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Man song before he was an old man song. Yeah,
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it's like it's got so you kids, get off my
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lawn energy.
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It's so defeatist. It's like, don't even bother. It's been
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going on a long time, it's never gonna stop.
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And didn't he write it because like some kids annoyed him.
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I don't okay, I don't know the origin of that song.
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I I watched a special and he talked about why
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he wrote it.
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It was made you kids get off my lawn energy.
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I don't know. I think you're too young to remember
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this because I was a very young sock. Do you
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remember a commercial where it was like a farmer guy
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and it was like clearly a studio and there was
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a tree and there was jello on the tree and
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there was kids around it, and the guy said, hey,
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you kids, get off of my jello tree. Do you
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remember that? Yes, you do remember that? Huh? Yes, okay.
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I I thought for a second I had to work there.
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I thought for a second that maybe I had imagined that, Hey,
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you kids, get out of my jello tree.
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Now I'm wondering if I imagined it.
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You have made me doubt I just put the thought
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into your head.
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I swore I remembered it. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
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I was confusing it.
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But I mean, there were some messed up ads in
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the seventies and early eighties, all right.
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So here it is. Billy Joel was hanging out with
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Sean Lennon and one year old friend who claimed the
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late eighties were much harder to grow up in than
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the past, and told Billy Joel, you grew up in
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the fifties and everybody knows nothing happened in the fifties.
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So being a self.
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Shut off my line on energy.
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Yeaheah, yeah, it was to say, what you think nothing
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happened in the fifties, You think this is a unique
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moment in time.
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He ran with his JFK. That wasn't the fifties.
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No, No, he goes back, he goes back further.
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Could you imagine.
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When were the Rosenbergs executed the spies?
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The seventies?
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No, No, nineteen fifties. Three.
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Okay, oh, I was confusing confusing spies.
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Yes, the imagine finding out that you so irritated Billy
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Joel that he wrote a whole song despite you.
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What I would say is where's my share? Is what
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I would say.
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But does it work that way?
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Well, that's what they would say.
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Yeah, So because we didn't start a fire.
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I mean, I think even if like I mean, people
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have written songs, ballads and things very clearly about an individual,
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often a woman.
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And well you're so vain as well.
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Welcome that that. Apparently, apparently Carly Simon told David Letterman privately,
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who you're so vain is about? Yeah, And apparently it's
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not somebody people it's not any of the people people
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think it is, but the songs like with actual people's
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names in it. They uh, uh, what's the one?
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Remember that episode of Quantum Leap where they suggested that
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you know Peggy the song Peggy Sue was about a pig.
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That was fun Oh, yes, that was funny. I was thinking, Uh,
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Rosanna by Toto was about Rosanna Arquette. But she didn't
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get any money from that, right, Like, just because you
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inspire something doesn't entire It doesn't entitle you to anything.
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I mean it was pretty good bragging rights.
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What Toto wrote a song about me? Yeah, I mean
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back in nineteen seventy eight and might have been a
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big breaking right.
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Wow, I mean you're culturally relevant.
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No, they'll say you're not because it's an old song.
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But was an old at one point.
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Do you know how many people have done The Rains
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in Africa? Have done covers of the Rains in Africa?
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That Toto song?
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Yes, it messes me up.
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Why because it's it sounds very similar to the original song.
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There's a guy named Carl Wolf, he's a kid. Yes,
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that's the song.
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I was thinking it sounds exactly like the original.
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What was the point he and then he released his
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version which sounded like the original in two thousand and seven,
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and then a few years ago he released an update
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to that which sounds exactly like the originally, Like.
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What is the point?
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He's dining out on that song more than Toto?
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Like I don't get it.
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I will say though, and I will close with this
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a positive thing. I have not been the biggest fan
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of the Beaches music. I think they are talented group,
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and I have not been a big fan of their music.
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I do have to say that their cover of Iran
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by Flock of Seagulls, it doesn't really change it very much,
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but it does add a very different energy with it
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being women and the strong vocals.
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While then that changed it, well, yes.
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There is a slight, there is a shift in there's
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a shift and feel about it. So it's actually quite good,
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but all right. Leanna is a peer counselor and host
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of the podcast It's Not Therapy. Check it out please
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wherever you get podcasts. I'm on ninety four nine in
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Eastern Time, live for four five hours of talk tunes
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and tomfoolery. All right, Leanna do your thing.
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We didn't start the fire. Bye bye.
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Saga nine sixty am or its management.
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Hello, Lenna, Hello, ed, how you doing.
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I I'm through the week.
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Yeah, well that's sometimes I think lately many of us,
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that's the only answer that you can give in a
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short amount of time.
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I yes, I mean I am still going and that
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is something.
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All right, Well that's a good thing. Yeah. Now, oh man,
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it's something I was gonna ask you right off the top,
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and I forgot. I hate that. Does that happen to
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you all the time? Okay, So it's not just me
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where you think, oh this is, this is too big.
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I'm not gonna forget this and it's gone.
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Oh no, I never think that. I always assume I
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will forget it because I will.
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Well, okay, you are in better, You're prepared for this
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better than I am. I should know that this is
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gonna happen. And yet I'm all Sometimes it's because I'm
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not near anywhere I can jot something down, and so
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I tell myself, oh yeah, this is oh no, no, this,
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I've been thinking about this, this is oh yeah, this
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is gonna be and then it's gone and like not
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even the edges of it are there. You know sometimes
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if you have your memory, like you can sort of
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feel the edges. Yeah, what might have led you to
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this thing? You can backtrack nothing. There's no edges whatsoever
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to this whole thing. So let's just move on to
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something I'm very curious about from you. What is it?
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Captain dun't count? What is Count Binface?
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Okay?
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Count Binface is in character an independent space warrior who
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wears a bin shaped helbot.
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A bin is a trash can in.
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British and he recently well the results are probably in
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by now, but he was running against Nigel Farrage for
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the in the the by election by election seat because
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Nigel Frush figures corruption is fine as long as you
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just you know, get re elected again any easy writing.
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Nigel an English MP or wants to be in English
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one time English MP was.
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Then probably is again by now.
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Yeah, and the corrupt guy he was on the the
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leave part of Brexit, which is screwed screwed in. Then
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afterwards Comedia afterwards said we liked all you people. It's
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gonna be it's gonna be horrible. Yeah, and so who
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Captain bin Face counts count Sorry, he's.
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A writer and comedian named Jonathan David Harvey. But he's
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way like At first, I'm like, okay, this is just
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funny looking. But I watched some of the interviews he did,
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and he he is very impressive.
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Did he talk through the garbage can on his head?
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Yeah?
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You could hear him. Yeah.
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It was like Moty Python meets a Terry Gilliam movie.
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It was spectacular.
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Now did they in the interviews they refer to him
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as Count Binface? Yes, okay, because you gave away a
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secret identity, which kind of.
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Well, it's no, and this isn't the first time he's run.
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Was he on the ballot actually on the ballot, Yes,
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but he was.
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It was one of those things where there were like
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thirty three joke candidates.
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Yeah, but he's the one that got recognized. Is he
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on the ballot as Count Binface?
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I I asked that, and I got mixed answers.
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Apparently, you can be and this could be wrong. This
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is just what I was told, But you can be
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on the ballot in the UK, is.
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Anything you want?
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I like that, Yeah, and I I was.
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A little surprised.
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If that's true. I would not be surprised if he
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pulls quite well for a fringe joke candidate. Because if
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you're going in to vote and you do not want
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Nigel Farage and you don't know any of these other folks,
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and you see Count Binface, you're good. I'd vote for
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Count Binface.
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I mean, he essentially ran unopposed.
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And the the story is less that you know, Nigel
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Farage got a seatback and more that this was ever
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a thing.
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I mean, this is about as close as close to
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a repudiation as you can get here.
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What's the repudiation of Nigel Farag? What? What? Because somebody
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entered as Count Binface.
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And and gave him a run for his money?
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Well okay, yeah, but the real repudiation would have been
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Farage not being elected.
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That wasn't ever probably going to.
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How do these I mean, how do these people who
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have to resign in disgrace in politics, how do they
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wind up running again and winning?
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Well, it reminds me of that episode of the Blackadder
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show writing Borough episode one, the rotten Borough episode. Well,
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it was.
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A politics episode where you know, it was a borough
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of basically one person, Edmin Burgoo.
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Who don't know, is a political district like a writing
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or you know that.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was an episode that basically dealt with how messed
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up British politics has been for quite some time.
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And uh it you know, but I remember the law
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and was I believe in this candidate.
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I believe so much in him that I voted for
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him twelve times, that's yeah.
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And so it.
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Was, you know, it was a goof on how messed
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up that politics can be.
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In the days of the big Blue machine in Ontario,
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like thirty two years of uninterrupted Yeah, the Conservative government
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in Ontario. The joke was in provincial elections for the Conservatives,
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dead men vote twice.
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Yeah, yeah, and so I mean that's sort of what
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is going on there.
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But it, yes, I I solute count binface.
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It made the frustration and dreariness of modern politics a
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little brighter.
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Well, I mean, you look at Zelensky, who was a
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comedian who did a TV show where he played the
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prime Minister of president I'm so stupid, I don't member
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of his country and ran as a lark and one
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wound up in the most turbulent existential threat to his
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country ever.
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Leading it And you know, to his credit, hasn't done
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that he's done.
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He's done well. Most people expected Russia would walk in
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there over a weekend.
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I I do not envy Zelenski's position, Like I don't
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know if anybody. It's hard to say, oh, he's done
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like literally the life of their country, and he's managed
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fold like a card table. So yeah, respect And you know,
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results of over zealous units and things like that. I
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not understand. War is horrible. War is not what we
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doesn't make one great, or war were not make one great,
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whatever he said. But basically, there's no such thing as
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disgusting business and that's why it should be avoided. But
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people people like, oh, this is this has never been
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zygote ass. It's been done forever. So anyway, I as
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yees zygotass.
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put that person back because what their party is or whatever,
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they should be out. They shouldn't even be allowed to
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politicians get elected is because they get elected. It is
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All right, we're back, heleena eh. Okay. First of all,
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it was twelve basically twelve minutes forty seconds, which means
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that there is the opportunity to actually break this show
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into segments of almost equal length. Let's go mess that
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up there, guaranteed. But speaking of what we were talking
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about beforehand, do you know how many people send me
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messages and the SoC for prime Minister? No, you wouldn't know,
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where you just put a person's name and they could
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run for federal leader for prime minister, I would get
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a non insignificant number of votes. And let me tell
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you something that bugs me because I shouldn't get any Okay,
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what would qualify me to be? I mean, I think
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what it is is people are looking for somebody who
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they believe in, and for god, I don't know what
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people believe in me. I guess because I've pretty much
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remained me even as the times change. I have remained
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myself relative to the times in this sense that as
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the ways we were harming other people and we stop.
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I've stopped that too, not to get popular or be relevant,
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but because okay, you know what, I recognize that was
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wrong and so let's not do that again. So but
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it's tried to add the SoC for prime minister. How
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much good could I I'm probably doing more good with
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this podcast in my radio show than I could do
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with Prime minister. I don't know.
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I started the f You party years ago?
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People, well the you you have to jump through hoops
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to make it an official party. Oh yeah, and I
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don't I don't mind that. We don't need every nincome
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poop with an axe to grind starting a party. But
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it's just this is an indication of the times we're
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in that there are people out there who would enthusiastically
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put their support behind me to lead this country as
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opposed to other people. The confidence in leaders is so gone.
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I mean in Canada right now, the confidence in our
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current Prime Minister is quite high, unusually high it this
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long in office. So it's not like we have in
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Canada the same dissatisfaction nationally. But we had and we
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will again don't. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is no,
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I don't wish to be prime minister. I don't wish
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to be mayor. I don't wish to be dog catcher.
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I don't are dog catchers ever elected? You know a
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place where dog catchers are elected?
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I know the phrase, yeah, yeah, couldn't be elected dog catcher.
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the on the ballot? Why would you like, why would
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somebody campaign to be the dog catcher? What would that
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campaign look like? I can dogs and anyone else like,
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what what would it be like, especially in the States,
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like they'd be using I don't know, trank guns that
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look like M sixteen's. Like, I don't understand why anybody, Yeah,
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there's dog catcher an elected position.
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There's there's gotta be a story behind that turn of phrase.
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that's part of the joke. I think it is, and
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we have just uh, you know, as time has rolled on,
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the irony has disappeared because we're so distant from the
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time when that was created.
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Well, and people everybody wants to vote for everything now,
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not recognizing that that's not you know, the only element
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of representative democracy.
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People are idiots. This is the bottom line. I have
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never before been so convinced that the massive humanity are idiots.
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people who had no access to information or education. Their
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intellectual capacity is unregistered. At this point, we don't know.
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just morons. They and this isn't about their intellectual capacity.
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to think that whatever comes out of their mouth has
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to be fact, their willingness to hold on to hoary
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old cliches as being something that is immovable, you know,
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amongst human dynamics. It's just they don't care. They don't
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know anything. And rather than saying, you know, I don't
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know anything about this subject, they talk about it anyway,
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and they're idiots. We Like I said in the previous podcast,
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humanity is not at all far from the Frankenstein movies
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of the nineteen thirties. Humans are still carrying torches and pitchforks.
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It's just different looking. But it's this is humans are
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not all that evolved as a people. Oh some are?
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that you would want to do for yourself.
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Oh no, quite the opposite.
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Well, so I understand. Yeah, I'm tired of public opinion.
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It doesn't mean what's right.
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you what people think they haven't thought. It tells you
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what people are saying.
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it into the parubial bloodstream.
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it's what people have absorbed and are spitting back at us. Yeah,
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it's you know, it's like, as you said on It's
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is a fear that is brainstem in humans because if
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you were ostracized from the group back then you died.
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You couldn't hunt on your own, you like you were dead.
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So people want to do a lot of people want
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to belong in that that group. It makes them feel comfortable.
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So yeah, their comfort in being a part of something
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is greater than their their discomfort might be with saying
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something they don't know if it's it's true.
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That there's this philosophy substack I subscribe to, because like, yeah,
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nothing's nerdier than I subscribe to a philosophy substack.
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I am aware, I am aware, I own my nerd.
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You know, doing a lot of stuff on authenticity and
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how very little is anymore.
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Idea that we run things by other people. You know, hey,
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can you look this over or just you know, it's
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what you want to say. You know, it's honest, you
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know there's nothing quote unquote wrong with it. But if
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you run it by somebody and somebody gets upset. Then
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the blame is shared.
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Because they gave it to the Okay, yes, so something
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can say, well, Joe thought it was good to have
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that as much music where uh this this guelfling would
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talk about something and say, uh, you know, an objection
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to something I'd done, and would say so and so
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agreed with me. And my thought was so and so
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in publicity agree with you, or so and so in
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marketing agreed with you. So what, I'm sure you could
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find people that agree with you. That's not the issue.
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The issue is did I say anything that was factually wrong,
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that broke broadcast codes or what was morally morally wrong? No,
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shut up, guelfling.
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there right, yeah to say whether they do or not.
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lot of a pop up.
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was uh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like
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just not even barely listening to be quiet. Yeah yeah,
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like just like it's like swatting a mosquito.
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it's not like they fully endorsed anything.
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No, yes, you're right, they're terrible. Can you stop bothering
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me now?
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Yeah? Yeah, exactly. I have actual things in my life. Yeah,
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so yeah, I mean that's it's just it is so
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disappointing to see how little humanity has evolved, you know,
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in human dynamics. I use that term again because it
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sounded clever in our ability to to speak as individuals,
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to stand as individuals, to be willing to stand for something.
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The the the need to be a part of some
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amorphous mass of humanity overrides so many of the concerns
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people might have, because the biggest concern is not being
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a part of something.
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See, this is.
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Something I wish I was better at following along with
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the group.
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Because it gets me in trouble that I'm.
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Not all right.
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And yeah, it is important to be able to do it.
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And sometimes I know I'm just supposed to be grouble here.
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I know I am, but but this is hard and
396
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I feel like the rumblings of dissent start in me,
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like with that the clumeate flames, flames is the side
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of my face, you know, and I just can't do it,
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and I know it's going to go badly, But I
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also know I'm going to feel worse if I'm not honest.
401
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Well, see, that's the thing. For you. What is the
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greater discomfort not being a part of this group or
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not being honest. The greater discomfort is not being honest.
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For a lot of people, the greater discomfort is not
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being part of this. And you know what, Okay, I
406
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don't want to be normal. For one thing, there is
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no such thing that's typical or standard or the fail
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safe position, the default position. I don't want to be
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living in a default position. But the other thing is
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that they say you're judged by the company you keep.
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I think you're also judged by the company you don't
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keep or the company that won't keep you. I think
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that when you're not part of a certain group, that
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is a good judgment on you as well. There's you know,
415
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Groucho Marx. I wouldn't belong to any club that would
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have me as a member like it's. There are so
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many groups that I am so glad to stand distinctly
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away from that rather than be immersed. I can't think
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of a group like a group that I wish to
420
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be immersed into. I wish to sublimate my identity. Maybe
421
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the blue Blazer, but that's a very small group.
422
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I would just like to have anything be able to
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anything that good happened to me. Anybody want to do
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something in public with me and not have to give
425
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them the okay I have stalkers discussion.
426
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I would really love to not have to do that anymore.
427
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Yeah, I would really love. I wish there really were
428
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was a Jewish space laser, because then maybe I could
429
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get once a year, I could get like targets I
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could use because I would I would target a couple
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of people.
432
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Well, and I go back and forth. Is the problem
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that I'm not agreeable enough? Or is the problem that
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other people don't have backbone and they don't say to
435
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the people who just won't shut up lying about me.
436
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:06.160
Like will you just stop shut up? Well one cares no.
437
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.920
Well, they see the viciousness that these people come at
438
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you with. They don't want that being directed at them.
439
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:14.839
And who can blame them?
440
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I can't. I mean, I understand there's people people online
441
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:25.200
complaining that non Jews haven't come forward or other Jews
442
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haven't come forward to debunk the lies about about Israel.
443
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.359
Because there's a lot of lies in the media. There's truth,
444
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but there's a lot of lies. And my understanding is
445
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they see the viciousness which with literally crowd descends on people.
446
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They don't they don't know that they can handle that
447
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.079
in their life. And you know what, I get it now.
448
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.119
I don't like the idea that we are being that
449
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people are being intimidated by terror tax but.
450
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It works, but it works well. And then the question is,
451
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you know what do you do about it? Right? Like,
452
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what is what.
453
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:11.400
Is the solution? Nothing? In in uh pluralistic democratic society
454
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like we have, you can't stop people from loudly speaking
455
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unpopular views or even lies. There are lines that you
456
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can't do. You can't publicly threaten an individual, for example, Well.
457
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You can't make a immediate and specific threat.
458
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You can make all specific threats. You can make veiled threats.
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You got mak an immediate specific threat.
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The veil doesn't even have to be that thick. You
461
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can still you can make threats that are so clearly threats.
462
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.039
But if it doesn't feel but if it's.
463
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If it's not immediate, then nobody can do nothing.
464
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Yeah, it's stupid, stupid. How many people have been heard
465
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or worse because because the uh the person said, they
466
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.559
were you know, I'm gonna one of these days, you're
467
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gonna get it, or I'm gonna give you what you deserve. Well,
468
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that's not a direct threat. And then the person gets
469
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the crap beat out of them or killed.
470
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:16.400
Well, they go, she's dangerous, she's dangerous. They don't really
471
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say why, they just put that into the blood strain.
472
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.240
Yeah, that you're dangerous, and these people who are attacking
473
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you over nothing, you're dangerous.
474
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Yeah.
475
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But you know, all it takes is one person who
476
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is not totally in reality to go, she's dangerous.
477
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I have to do something.
478
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Yeah, I mean, I thank god we live in Canada,
479
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where incidents like that are far lower than in the States.
480
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Well, I try not to follow that Luigi Mangione thing
481
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in the States because that is scary to me.
482
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It's the States.
483
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Yeah, but the you know, the fact that people think
484
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he did the right thing.
485
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Well, the idea that violence is never the answer in
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the States, it's like, uh yeah a lot of the
487
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times it is.
488
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So I just I don't because did anything get any better? Okay,
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health insurance, No, it didn't.
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That's the thing, not a thing, and it didn't make
491
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what did he think he was? So Luigi, okay, going
492
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no break, coming back, Okay, coming back.
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Okay, stream us live at Saga nine am dot C.
494
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Okay, So Luigi.
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If Luigi Mangoni had created like Count trash Head that
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Captain trash Head instead of Count in face and mocked
497
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healthcare CEOs, I would be his biggest fan.
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But I would also get more traction. It would also
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change nothing. Now Luigi Mangioni is a rich kid who
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killed the CEO of a US health management organization and
501
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HMO's in the US. They are evil. They cause people misery.
502
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I mean healthcare in the US. Oh, you have.
503
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No idea like I have American clients, right, yeah, And
504
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.839
I am stunned.
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Simple things that are no big deal in Canada.
506
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Like a sleep test, for instance, it's this big deal.
507
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.559
And you know, American politicians go on and about the
508
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wait times.
509
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They're unbelievable in the US.
510
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I mean, if you wanna not wait, and you know,
511
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you want to pay out of pocket like just cash,
512
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well then it's faster. But the whole point of having
513
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.720
insurance is you're not supposed to have to do that,
514
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:00.319
you know.
515
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.440
Yeah, it's it's a horrible it's despicable. But that's like
516
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.359
it wasn't that Daffy Duck. You're despicable. The how many
517
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.119
Warner Brothers cartoons wouldn't have endured without some kind of
518
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speech impediment.
519
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.720
But anyway, canceled today.
520
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.640
Yeah, well I'm glad.
521
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.440
Well, I mean, the Coyote versus Acme is back, so
522
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.039
maybe not.
523
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.079
That's in August. I want to see that. Anyway. So
524
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.400
he killed this this ceo of a healthcare company, He
525
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.119
shot him, killed him in broad daylight. And what did
526
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.039
he think that was going to accomplish? Do you think
527
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.720
there aren't five guys knifing each other in the back
528
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.039
metaphorically to get that guy's position already? Like what did
529
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.680
he think that? Did he think that was gonna incite
530
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:53.079
a massive rebellion across the country? It did nothing, I
531
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.200
absolutely did nothing. But it gave Americans something to cheer
532
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.240
for because it was violent action. Americans love violent action.
533
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.680
Well, the fact that they're cheering is what I find
534
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:07.200
so chilling.
535
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.799
Yeah, because why why are you cheering? What did he do?
536
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.720
What did he accomplish? Like he did something, but what
537
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.480
did he accomplish? Absolutely nothing changed in the healthcare system.
538
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.000
Welly, he shot a guy dead, that's what he did.
539
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.720
And for some odd reason, this is heroics in this.
540
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.599
Doesn't America doesn't know what heroism is anymore.
541
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.480
It doesn't make any sense to me.
542
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.759
Like, like you said, it's all nothing, and you know,
543
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.039
I I found it terrifying that people were like, oh.
544
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.680
That's good, Like, no, no, it's not. Say somebody gets
545
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.880
mad at you and thinks that they have the right
546
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.720
to shoot you because they're mad at you. Is this
547
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.200
a good way to solve problems?
548
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.279
Now, No, not when it happens to you, just when
549
00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.400
it happens to someone else.
550
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.799
Murricans believe gun violence is a viable political statement.
551
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.559
It's just so messed up.
552
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.920
Yeah, I mean the cracks in the reality of American
553
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.039
society that have been showing the last handful of years.
554
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.000
They were things that were suspected before, but now it's
555
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.720
just right out in the open. How Cary, Well, these
556
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.640
people have been our neighbor. It's like discovering somebody's been
557
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:33.240
your neighbor for years and then it's discovered that they
558
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:37.880
have bodies buried in their basement. You know, it's America.
559
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.000
The stuff that's going on in the US now is
560
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.920
not new Donald trumpken.
561
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.000
Started it's like that, Billy joels.
562
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.039
We didn't start the fight.
563
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.920
We didn't start the fire.
564
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.920
Yeah, it's like it's always been.
565
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.279
Since the world's been turning. That is like one of
566
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.720
my least favorite Billy Jolson.
567
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.960
Oh I hate that song, not just me, I hate
568
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.599
Compare that. Compare that to Vienna or you may be right,
569
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.519
or any of his earliers or anything off glass houses
570
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.960
or the Nylon curtain and you know, good Night's Saigon.
571
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:18.559
Compare that to character failure, that horrible song anyway.
572
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.880
Like people go on about woke now.
573
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.920
That that song was just naming a bunch of stuff
574
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:25.599
he didn't like.
575
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.880
Okay, they it was political. They were objectively to me
576
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.320
bad thing. Like he was pointing out, there's been bad
577
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:41.320
chapters in history before this, which, okay, that can offer
578
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.360
a perspective, but only if you bother paying attention.
579
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.639
That song was woke as anything.
580
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.039
They did a new one, Fallout Boy or somebody did
581
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.719
an updated version, and it wasn't anywhere near as good.
582
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.880
The things they added, no, the the the word playing stuff,
583
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.960
not nearly as good. It was terrible.
584
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:01.800
Well yeah, I mean.
585
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:08.519
Lyrically it it, you know, it took breath control and
586
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.039
things like that. Technically, it's I see the merits as
587
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.039
a song, all right when people go on about woke,
588
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.280
Now I think of songs like that and like, you
589
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.360
don't get more woke than we didn't start the fire?
590
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.239
Well, you know me, my my belief is that saying
591
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.159
something as woke is like wearing a T shirt that
592
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.719
says I'm with stupid and the arrow points up at
593
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.159
your face. But we got to go to a break, okay,
594
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:48.039
all right, back after this, all right, all right, so
595
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.760
we let segment one, segment two. Okay, this okay, it's
596
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.159
not completely balanced segments, but it'll be. It'll be closer.
597
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.559
He didn't start the segment.
598
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.880
Well, we did start the segments, but I'm a very
599
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:02.840
bad timekeeper.
600
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.239
I'm always timing and I'm not I'm rhyming. We didn't
601
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:08.239
start to see.
602
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.159
Oh my cat just scratched me. Oh stop that. You
603
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.119
know you got to go out out of the studio.
604
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:24.440
Why would I why use me? All right? Have you
605
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.719
heard of claw GPT claude claw c l a W.
606
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.000
I had to look that up to claw Oh wait
607
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.199
wait yeah, yeah, it's something apparently that Anyway, this guy
608
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:41.000
in Australia was using this AI system and he said,
609
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.199
he said, to the I system, book me a time
610
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.519
at my at the gym I belonged to. So the
611
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.960
AI went discovered there was there was no availability at
612
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.960
that time, so it hacked into the system and bumped
613
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.400
the person who had been booked and put the their
614
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.559
their master in there. And when the guy he said
615
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:07.239
reverse it, the AI said, can't. And this is interesting
616
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:13.400
in this, but like what kind of guardrails are there
617
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.639
or not there that the AI doesn't realize, go and
618
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.559
see if there's any openings and takes it as no,
619
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.639
put me in there no matter what, and then does
620
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.679
something which is illegal in order to in order to
621
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.199
satisfy that command.
622
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.960
Well, I mean, an AI doesn't understand illegal, right, Well,
623
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.119
you know understand I have tasked perform tasks.
624
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.880
But it should drawing on its database, there should be
625
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.639
it should be aware of laws.
626
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.960
Well it it's it's not aware of anything.
627
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:50.760
It's a large language model.
628
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.000
What I mean is it should have been programmed into
629
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.760
its large language model to obey laws, especially with stuff
630
00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:59.920
having to do with cyber Well, it.
631
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.119
Is it is supposed to be programmed.
632
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.599
In Yeah, well it's not.
633
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.440
It's clearly not like that's I mean, they have had
634
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:22.239
boughts defy programming that way and like just pull shenanigans.
635
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.400
But yeah, it's that kind of stuff. Something went very
636
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:29.079
very wrong.
637
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.599
Well, you wonder how like this is what we've heard about,
638
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:34.440
what about the wides we haven't.
639
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:40.440
Also, I think they generally do disclose them because they
640
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.559
don't want to get caught not disclosing them.
641
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
Okay, I hope that's true. Now here's another thing in
642
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.199
the similar landscape. Do you know anybody who's involved in
643
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.960
crypto who isn't a complete sleeves ball.
644
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.960
Complete I don't.
645
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.239
I don't know if the people I know involved in
646
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.679
crypto are complete sleeve balls. They are definitely at least
647
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.199
sleezball adjacent.
648
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.440
So they're on the sleeve ball scale.
649
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.920
They're on the sleezball spectrum.
650
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.320
Yes, I have never known anybody championing crypto to me
651
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.480
who was not clearly some kind of hustler. Like it's wow,
652
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.840
Like it seems like digital snake oil.
653
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.039
You have to have a tolerance for risk that may
654
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.760
or may not be healthy for crypto to appeal.
655
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.199
Well, first of all, most people like me I believe,
656
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.360
don't know what the hell this is, don't know enough
657
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.360
to know if we should invest in it or not.
658
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.039
And everybody I know who said, you know what, you
659
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.760
got to get in on this just a sleeze ball.
660
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.079
Well, crypto is for people that have money to throw
661
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.639
around that they won't miss if they lose it all.
662
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.079
And that ain't me. So what are they coming to
663
00:39:59.119 --> 00:39:59.480
me for.
664
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.199
I guess they think you're super wealthy or something like that.
665
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.519
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like I've said on the radio
666
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.039
show in other places, after nearly forty years in the
667
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.360
Canadian entertainment industry, entertaining people for decades, I could retire
668
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.159
tomorrow and live a complete life of leisure as long
669
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.840
as I die by the weekend, right, you know. And
670
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:28.039
that's the truth. Anyway. I was just thinking about because
671
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:29.880
I was listening to the thing about how much money
672
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.239
Trump has made in crypto.
673
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.840
Okay, but he's providing the coins, like.
674
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.920
But it was just of course he's involved in crypto.
675
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.360
Oh, his son is big into it.
676
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.559
Well, I mean that whole family, maybe not Ivanka, but
677
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:51.199
that the men in that family. They're all crooks, every
678
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:51.639
one of.
679
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:57.719
Them, even Jared. Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, I said that euphimistic.
680
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.199
Jared got something recently and I was like, we had
681
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.400
a brother, but of course he's named Josh. He has
682
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.599
a brother, yeah, Josh. Okay, Josh is one of those names,
683
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.960
you know, Josh, Yeah, Josh, it's it's I don't know,
684
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:21.559
it's Josh is just a guy, you know what I mean, Josh.
685
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.360
Josh is never assertive, Like, no Josh's that I've known
686
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.880
have ever been really like assertive. They're always sort of
687
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.599
gamma males down down the level.
688
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.119
When you get stuck with the name Josh, I mean,
689
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.679
you do have some somewhat limited options.
690
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.079
Well not only because every other Josh has ruined it
691
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.519
for them. They gotta get together these Josh's.
692
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.119
What was that show she hug when the guy it
693
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.480
was named Josh, I'm like, oh, red flag, oh.
694
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.920
Yeah, you right away nails his name was Josh deliberate.
695
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.400
I'm like, his name is Josh, red flag.
696
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:02.159
Yeah, Josh, Like Josh is kind of a half entity.
697
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.719
And if somebody takes that name on as a as
698
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.679
a false id, they're trying to come in and seem harmless.
699
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.679
Well, it's also it's Josh not Joshua.
700
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.559
Yeah, because the joshuas I know, not red flag at all.
701
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.559
Oh, you know what, You're right, Joshua is not the
702
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:24.639
same as Josha.
703
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.280
No, it's josh It's not Joshua.
704
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.800
Yeah. Is that the same as Mike and Michael's.
705
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:38.639
I I Mike is less because Mike is just so common, right.
706
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.679
Yeah. I know a guy whose name is Michael, who
707
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.639
if you call them Mike, he'd say, Mike is the
708
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.679
plumber's name. And I'm like, I didn't need to know
709
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.639
the name of your plumber. But his point was that
710
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.719
Mike is a that name given to low class laborers
711
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.679
as opposed to him. And okay, as you can tell,
712
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.239
the guy was a douche Canoe.
713
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.960
But still, right, what is a douche Canoe?
714
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:07.840
It's a douche who has room for other douches going
715
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.559
along with him. I don't know what, just take that up.
716
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.519
I don't, okay, I because I've always wondered it's.
717
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.360
It's more than just being a standard ground level douche.
718
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:26.079
All right, Canoe and it's a canoe. Yes, I wonder why.
719
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.440
With all the nostalgia wave mister Canoe had has not
720
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.000
come back.
721
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.639
You know why? Because Canadian nostalgia. It's basically mister dress
722
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:35.960
up and littlest Hobo.
723
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.400
That's too bad because we have some quality nostalgia.
724
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.480
Absolutely what we what we don't have is a media
725
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.639
industry to feed it. Yeah.
726
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.480
Well, I was saying, I I don't know what's gonna
727
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:50.920
go on with euro Vision.
728
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.880
Story God, yeah, that's another. Okay, we gotta go to
729
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.039
break come back. We got a few minutes then, okay.
730
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:04.599
All right, no radio, no problem. Stream is live on
731
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.039
Sago nine six am dot c A.
732
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.280
Sorry we didn't start the fire.
733
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.480
No we're not.
734
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:19.599
Since the word's been turning.
735
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.039
That song is kind of like a throw your shoulders
736
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.400
and throw your arms up, like, oh, it's been going
737
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.760
on a long time, Like it's it's a.
738
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.360
Man song before he was an old man song. Yeah,
739
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.360
it's like it's got so you kids, get off my
740
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:34.320
lawn energy.
741
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.880
It's so defeatist. It's like, don't even bother. It's been
742
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.679
going on a long time, it's never gonna stop.
743
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.960
And didn't he write it because like some kids annoyed him.
744
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:48.880
I don't okay, I don't know the origin of that song.
745
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.440
I I watched a special and he talked about why
746
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.719
he wrote it.
747
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.119
It was made you kids get off my lawn energy.
748
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.800
I don't know. I think you're too young to remember
749
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.800
this because I was a very young sock. Do you
750
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.679
remember a commercial where it was like a farmer guy
751
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.440
and it was like clearly a studio and there was
752
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.639
a tree and there was jello on the tree and
753
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.639
there was kids around it, and the guy said, hey,
754
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.920
you kids, get off of my jello tree. Do you
755
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:20.519
remember that? Yes, you do remember that? Huh? Yes, okay.
756
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.079
I I thought for a second I had to work there.
757
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.000
I thought for a second that maybe I had imagined that, Hey,
758
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:29.880
you kids, get out of my jello tree.
759
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.400
Now I'm wondering if I imagined it.
760
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.000
You have made me doubt I just put the thought
761
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.519
into your head.
762
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.000
I swore I remembered it. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
763
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:43.960
I was confusing it.
764
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.800
But I mean, there were some messed up ads in
765
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.599
the seventies and early eighties, all right.
766
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.239
So here it is. Billy Joel was hanging out with
767
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.239
Sean Lennon and one year old friend who claimed the
768
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.599
late eighties were much harder to grow up in than
769
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.960
the past, and told Billy Joel, you grew up in
770
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.880
the fifties and everybody knows nothing happened in the fifties.
771
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.159
So being a self.
772
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.039
Shut off my line on energy.
773
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.840
Yeaheah, yeah, it was to say, what you think nothing
774
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.280
happened in the fifties, You think this is a unique
775
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.119
moment in time.
776
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.719
He ran with his JFK. That wasn't the fifties.
777
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.920
No, No, he goes back, he goes back further.
778
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.599
Could you imagine.
779
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:33.079
When were the Rosenbergs executed the spies?
780
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.400
The seventies?
781
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.320
No, No, nineteen fifties. Three.
782
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.800
Okay, oh, I was confusing confusing spies.
783
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.840
Yes, the imagine finding out that you so irritated Billy
784
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.360
Joel that he wrote a whole song despite you.
785
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.639
What I would say is where's my share? Is what
786
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:53.320
I would say.
787
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:54.840
But does it work that way?
788
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.159
Well, that's what they would say.
789
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.599
Yeah, So because we didn't start a fire.
790
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.880
I mean, I think even if like I mean, people
791
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:08.280
have written songs, ballads and things very clearly about an individual,
792
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:09.280
often a woman.
793
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.639
And well you're so vain as well.
794
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:17.119
Welcome that that. Apparently, apparently Carly Simon told David Letterman privately,
795
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.159
who you're so vain is about? Yeah, And apparently it's
796
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.559
not somebody people it's not any of the people people
797
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:26.559
think it is, but the songs like with actual people's
798
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:31.599
names in it. They uh, uh, what's the one?
799
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.519
Remember that episode of Quantum Leap where they suggested that
800
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.239
you know Peggy the song Peggy Sue was about a pig.
801
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.559
That was fun Oh, yes, that was funny. I was thinking, Uh,
802
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.079
Rosanna by Toto was about Rosanna Arquette. But she didn't
803
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.039
get any money from that, right, Like, just because you
804
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.360
inspire something doesn't entire It doesn't entitle you to anything.
805
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:55.199
I mean it was pretty good bragging rights.
806
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.440
What Toto wrote a song about me? Yeah, I mean
807
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.639
back in nineteen seventy eight and might have been a
808
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:04.639
big breaking right.
809
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.360
Wow, I mean you're culturally relevant.
810
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.599
No, they'll say you're not because it's an old song.
811
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.719
But was an old at one point.
812
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.360
Do you know how many people have done The Rains
813
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.039
in Africa? Have done covers of the Rains in Africa?
814
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:22.239
That Toto song?
815
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.199
Yes, it messes me up.
816
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.880
Why because it's it sounds very similar to the original song.
817
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.679
There's a guy named Carl Wolf, he's a kid. Yes,
818
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:35.480
that's the song.
819
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.480
I was thinking it sounds exactly like the original.
820
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:41.039
What was the point he and then he released his
821
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.920
version which sounded like the original in two thousand and seven,
822
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.280
and then a few years ago he released an update
823
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:50.719
to that which sounds exactly like the originally, Like.
824
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:51.920
What is the point?
825
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.679
He's dining out on that song more than Toto?
826
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.679
Like I don't get it.
827
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.559
I will say though, and I will close with this
828
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.199
a positive thing. I have not been the biggest fan
829
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:09.159
of the Beaches music. I think they are talented group,
830
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:10.960
and I have not been a big fan of their music.
831
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.440
I do have to say that their cover of Iran
832
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.440
by Flock of Seagulls, it doesn't really change it very much,
833
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.239
but it does add a very different energy with it
834
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.119
being women and the strong vocals.
835
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:26.639
While then that changed it, well, yes.
836
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.360
There is a slight, there is a shift in there's
837
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.440
a shift and feel about it. So it's actually quite good,
838
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.360
but all right. Leanna is a peer counselor and host
839
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.519
of the podcast It's Not Therapy. Check it out please
840
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.000
wherever you get podcasts. I'm on ninety four nine in
841
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.199
The Rock, The Rock dot FM ninety four nine in
842
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.480
the Rock app Monday to Friday midnight to five am
843
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.760
Eastern Time, live for four five hours of talk tunes
844
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.239
and tomfoolery. All right, Leanna do your thing.
845
00:49:54.079 --> 00:50:04.760
We didn't start the fire. Bye bye.
846
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Stream us live at SAGA nine sixty am dot c
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