Older Men | Chapter 8

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This podcast is intended for mature audiences.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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Last spring, I wrote a letter to Kelly Wilson's mom, Kathy.
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The thirtieth anniversary of Kelly's disappearance from Gilmer, Texas had
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just passed that January. I introduced myself and asked if
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we could meet. A few weeks later, my phone rang
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an anonymous call. When I picked up, I instantly recognized
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Cathy's voice. She has a Southern accent. It's kind of twangy.
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She was polite, but she didn't have much to say.
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To my disappointment, Kathy declined to meet for an interview.
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She said she had good reason not to talk. There
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were new developments in the search for her daughter, Kelly.
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Kathy didn't want to do anything to compromise the case.
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I had also written a letter to Kelly's dad, Robbie.
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Unlike his ex wife, Robbie was happy to meet.
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Hey, mister Wilson. Yes, Hey, I'm west Ferguson.
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Oh we have a couple weeks.
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Yes, sir, very nice to meet you.
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Good to meet you.
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Robbie looked really good for seventy years old. He spent
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decades working in management at paper Mills. We're retired now.
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He wears a tidy gray beard and stays fit on
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the golf course. And he lives in a lake house
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in Nakadish, the small town in Louisiana where Kelly grew
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up before she moved to East Texas as a teenager.
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Beautiful home. Yeah, yeah, from Texas right.
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You know.
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It was clear most of the way, and then past
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twenty minutes or so started coming down, all right, ah,
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right on the water.
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The view from the lake through Robbie's back window was stunning.
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Sheets of rain swept across the water, rippling the surface.
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We set down in the living room. Although Robbie's second wife, Waverlin,
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died in twenty twenty, you could still feel a woman's
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presence in all the furniture and home decor. I explained
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to Robbie why I was so interested in Kelly's case,
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that I was twelve years old when she vanished, that
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my first newspaper editor had given me the idea that
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maybe I could help find Kelly. I had always, you know,
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wanted to come back to the story because you know,
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a lot of it just didn't really make sense.
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It's a long sworded twisted boots and just went on
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with the story that propersed you. Now it's a nice
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cold case. Now there's a lot of there's a lot
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of questions. There's more questions than answers to this thing.
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For sure.
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I'm not a father yet, and I can't imagine what
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that's like.
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Yeah, it's not it's not easy, and you don't you know,
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I don't know how you deal with it other than
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the fact that.
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You just wake up every day to live.
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You know.
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You get to the day and you wake up the
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next day and you do it again, you know, and
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it gets easier, but it never goes away.
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I asked Robbie to tell me what he remembered about
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Kelly when she still lived with him in Louisiana.
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Did she have.
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Hobbies, pastimes? You know what he's telling me? More about
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her personality?
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She I mean, she.
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Had schoogle activities, you know, I think she was she
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might have been in what do you call it? And
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she not the cheerleaders, but the pep squad and all
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that kind of thing in school. Had pretty typical young
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lady type activities. She kind of liked myth a little bit.
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You know.
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Some of the sciences. She was small enough she could
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have done whatever she wanted.
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But Kelly was also headstrong. We got into that in
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the first episode, how Kelly bucked against the rules of
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Robbie's house. He was a single dad doing his best,
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and he says his daughter was more than a handful.
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I grew up with two brothers.
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I didn't have any idea what to do with with
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a teenage daughter.
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Actually one that was, you know, pretty attractive, very outgoing.
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I mean, she was a handful from the time she
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was and Kelly matured way way. It is almost unfair
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she I mean she retured from like she was eleven
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and a half years old, and until she turned fifteen
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or sixteen, she didn't actually had a brain in her head.
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And I guess the homeowners were just raging, you know,
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a couple with the fact that her parents split up
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and her mother was steadily just agitating the situation to
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get at.
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Me, Frankie.
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Her mother and I both grew up in a little
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town called Plain Dealing. I don't know if you've contacted
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her mother or I talked to her yesterday.
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I don't even know where she I guess she's still
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in Plaine DeLand.
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I don't know.
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Plain Dealing is a tiny town in northwestern Louisiana.
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Just out of curiosity, she'd whe her to talk to you.
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She said, no, that's a surprise.
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Robbie and Kelly's mom, Kathy, are estranged. They haven't spoken
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since nineteen ninety four. Of that is due to their
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ugly divorce and custody battle for Kelly and her little
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brother Kyle, but also Robbie has leveled serious accusations against Kathy,
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wondering if she knows more about her daughter's disappearance than
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she's letting on.
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What do you think is the most plausible thing that happened?
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You know, I still go back to the family.
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I mean, if you look at if you look at
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these kinds of things statistically, that's where it's almost always
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is now what happened and how it happened. I couldn't
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I mean, you couldn't you let your imagination run wild.
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Remember, Kelly's stepdad, Robert Carlson, was the first person to
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find her eighty five Dodge Charger beside the video store
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on the morning after she vanished. According to the first
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news reports about Kelly's case, Robert told police he went
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out looking for Kelly at five am. Later, he would
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say he actually went searching two hours earlier, at three
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in the morning. Either way, the car was unlocked when
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he found it, a tire was slashed, and Kelly's purse
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was inside the vehicle.
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First of all, you rely on the fact that her
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purse was in the car strictly on what he says.
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You know, her stepdad says, right, You really don't know
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other than what he's telling you. Is that true or
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not true? Just depends on whether it has any reason
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alive why I was even out looking for at three
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am on this particular not any of the others she
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I mean, obviously out of his true you know, being
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out and party.
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And don't forget Kelly's tire had also been slashed outside
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the video store just two nights before she disappeared to
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get her right home that time on Friday. I've been
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told that Kelly called her stepdad to come pick her up.
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I have also heard that Kelly simply drove home on
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the flat tire on Sunday night when Kelly vanished. Practically
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every news report has repeated the detail that store manager
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Joe Henry was the last person to see her. But
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I found one report, just one that told a different story.
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It claimed the skateboarders who were on the town square
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that night watched Kelly go back inside the video store
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after her tire was slashed. The skater supposedly watched Kelly
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make a phone call. Who did Kelly call her stepdad
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or someone else? From Imperative Entertainment, I'm Wes Ferguson. This
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is Deviltown. This is Chapter eight Older Men. Over the years,
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Robbie Wilson has often questioned whether his ex wife, Kathy Carlson,
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had anything to do with Kelly's disappearance. One of Robbie's
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theories that he shared with law enforcement back in the
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nineties is that somehow Kelly found out her brother Kyle's
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blood type proved that he was not actually Robbie's son.
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Here's a direct quote from an investigator's report, which is
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publicly available from the Attorney General's office. Kelly was going
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to tell this to Robbie, and this may have been
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a motive. If Kathy Carlson had a hand in Kelly's demise,
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This seems really far fetched to me. Robert and Kathy
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Carlson have always adamantly denied involvement in Kelly's disappearance. And remember,
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Kelly's purse was in the car. If her stepdad had
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given her a ride home, she wouldn't have left her
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purse behind. Then again, we only have the stepdad's word
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about the purse.
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You know the issue was a perseh you know, been
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in a car or was it in a car? Who knows.
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Another wrinkle in the case involves the key to Kelly's
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Dodge charger. When Kelly's stepdad, Robert, discovered her car beside
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the video store early Monday morning, that key was nowhere
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to be found. Just days after Kelly's disappearance, the same
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key mysteriously appeared in their yard like someone who knew
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where Kelly lived drove by, tossed the key out the window,
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and drove away. This rumor has been swirling around Gilmer
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for decades, and I've been able to confirm it. This
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is what Kelly's mom and stepdad say happened. Kelly's dad,
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on the other hand, Robbie questions whether they're telling the truth.
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He wonders if Kelly got a ride home that night,
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just like she did two nights earlier, something happened and
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Kelly died. Robbie's theory is that her mom and stepdad
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made up the story of finding her purse in the
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unlocked car and the key in the yard to cover
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up something else, something worse. Again, this is all conjecture
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on Robbie's part. Robbie also claims that Cathy was already
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talking about funeral arrangements on the first morning Kelly didn't
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come home. Kelly had barely been missing at that point,
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no one knew anything. Robbie says it didn't sit well
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with him. Kathy's reaction to her missing daughter left other
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people in Gilmer scratching their heads as well.
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Anyway, her mom came in for a long time d
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asked man long about her mom.
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That was Joe Henry, who worked with Kelly and was
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the last person to talk to her at the video store.
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Here's local news reporter Philip Williams.
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The one thing about her mother that seems strange to
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me was Kathy. You would think the average mother of
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a teenage girl who very likely has been murdered would
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be boo who, boo who. When I would talk to
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Kathy Carlson, her mindset seemed to be anger that the
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cops hadn't gotten anything done. I never saw her show
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any grief. Now, different people handled grief differently, but you know,
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it just seems strange to me. The times that I
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talked to and it was a number of times that
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I never saw her sheditated, choke up, or anything like that,
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and that seemed odd.
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The detective leading the search for Kelly, Sergeant James York Brown,
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said Kathy even tried to shut down his investigation.
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Orse winner and became one Kitty's clue. That's when it's
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really sent up red flags.
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Did she say why she wanted the case closed?
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She was tired of it all.
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That's not a good reason. And I said that won't happen.
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Could we find her and bring her home?
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It was strange, but, like Philip Williams pointed out, everyone
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handles grief in their own way. Beyond these idle suspicions,
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I have not found a lick of evidence linking Kathy
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to the crime. Let's get back to Robbie's house in Louisiana.
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He and I had been talking for about half an
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hour when he offered to play a taping of an
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old news special about Kelly's case. I was carrying my
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stuff into Robbie's bedroom, whereas TV is when he brought
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up Kathy again, let's go in here.
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With the big team. Okay, she declined to speak with you.
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Huh, well she said that, but she uh big Old
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TV said that there's she has engaged with some new
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investigator and didn't want to compromise it.
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Right.
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I won't call BS on that. I talked to Kathy,
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she declined.
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And you're the first person that I've actually met with.
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It doesn't surprise me. She didn't want to. I can't answer. Yeah, well,
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and I can't answer. I can't tell you all that,
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you know, I'm like I said, I won't I'm won't
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call BS on it.
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She got somebody investigating.
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After my interview with Robbie ended and I talked to
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a few more people, I wanted to let Kathy know
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that he and others were tossing around all these allegations
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against her. If nothing else, Kathy should have a chance
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to defend herself. I couldn't find a phone number, so
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I wrote another letter. Three days later, I got a
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call from a number I didn't recognize.
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Hello, Wes, this is Amanda Gamble. I'm a private investigator.
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That is investigating Kelly Wilson's case. Ms Kathy has received
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another letter from you. If you could give me a
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call back, I would sure appreciate it. Thank you.
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Huh So there really was a private investigator, someone named
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Amanda Gamble. I called her back.
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I just wanted to talk to you briefly about Chilley's case.
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I know more than likely and you can tell me
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if I'm wrong that the narrative that you're going to
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go with is what's been published at this point. Correct.
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Well, no, ma'am.
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I'm trying to interview everyone I can to create a
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new narrative that's as complete and accurate as possible.
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What I can tell you is that we are very
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deep into the investigation of this case, to the point
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to where shortly we'll be turning everything over to the FBI.
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We've had to reinvestigate the case as if it's never
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been investigated, and it could be a huge detriment to
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the case at this point if we give any information
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not already published and out in public record. We have
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found new evidence and it has taken us in a
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completely different direction, and so we would really like to
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thoroughly investigate this case for justice for Kelly and to
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hopefully locate her body. And I feel that if we
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if we released any information at this time, that's going
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to jeopardize that. Okay, well, I completely understand that, and
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I would not want to want one would not want
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to jeopardize that either.
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What's your Do you.
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Have any any timeline for when you think you'll be
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ready to give that to the DA's office.
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We're not going to the DA's office. We're going to
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go straight to THEB So I would say probably three
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to six months at the at the most, honestly, and
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I'll tell you this, the the truth is going to
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be stranger within the fiction. What's been printed at this
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point is just fiction. You know. I've talked to Mss
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Cathy and and you know, she's just been through a
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lot as far as media goes. They kind of put
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her through the wringer for you know, thirty years ago.
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More than anything, it was you know, hugely published, Kelly's
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case was, but it just wasn't ever investigated. And you know,
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thirty years later, she still doesn't have her daughter till
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later rest. And that's our main objective is to get
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justice and find Kelly. We're in a very pivotal point
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of the investigation right now. The tithes of tongues. Anything
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that we say at this point that is released in
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any way, shake, fashion, or form, could jeopardize the case.
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And I just don't want that to happen. Understood completely,
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And I'll tell you now, the one thing with Mss
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Cathy is you know her trust and her you know,
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she has lost a lot of faith and a lot
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of people, and a lot of trust and a lot
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of people, and you know, building that rapport with her
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is what is most important because she is a very
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very gentle and good hearted lady and a mother that
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can't greet, that has more that cannot greet. Like I said,
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we have gathered new evidence and there are things that
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did come up thirty years ago that they never ever released,
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that they never further investigated. They swept it completely under
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the rugs and they went with their narrative. That narrative.
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You can see where that went. It went absolutely nowhere
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and was thrown out of port. You know, all of
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the Satanic panic was just a smoke. Strange, that's all
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that was. I'm just letting you know the truth is
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stranger than the fiction. But I think you will, you know,
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if you enjoy telling the truth and you enjoy getting
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the truth out there, I think that you will really
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appreciate the story. But at this point, I'm still completely
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covertly investigating it. And if we let anything out in
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any way, that's gonna blow my cover, and that could
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also hurt and harm people. I mean it really could.
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It could put people's lives in danger, and we don't
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want that. We don't want that at all.
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I found out from Amanda that she and I are
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basically the same age. She grew up in a little
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town near Gilmer, and like me, had always wondered what
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happened to Kelly. So when Amanda got her private investigator's license,
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she offered to work for Kathy pro bono. Amanda had
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only been on the case three months, and she'd already
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found so much.
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I'm kind of locked up. Fright train is the way
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I would describe myself. Once I get started on something,
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and once I start finding leads and once I start
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finding truth, I barrel through and I don't stop it.
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I'm trying to not let the stone in turn. And
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if you'll just kind of hang on with us and
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how hold out, I could let you know, Hey, this
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is six and a halfned and be there and your story.
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Would be.
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Cute.
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Amanda told me she'd filed a request for the case
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files from the Attorney General's office. I let her know
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I already had a copy of the AG's files at
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a cost of seven hundred and twenty dollars. My access
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to the files seemed to pique a man's interest. This
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job was pro bono.
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After all, I'm also in the process of getting stuff
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from the FBI.
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Two.
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We're on the same page you're with Do you have
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your private.
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Vestcut of Boston?
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No, I don't. I'm just a journalist.
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I'm trying to figure out what to do here with.
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Me.
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I'm almost tempted, and I'll be quite honest.
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With you.
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To work with you on this, but nothing can be
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released until it's time to take it to the FBI.
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I could agree to that.
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You and I can get together as soon as possible.
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We'll sit down together. I'll show you everything that I have,
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and we can go from there. You can do some interviews,
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we can do something together. I can do something, but
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we share what we've got, and I think we would
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make a bigger headway quicker, I will tell you my
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main suspect is without a doubt.
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Sorry, I promised Amanda I wouldn't give this away just yet.
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From here on out, I have to be pretty careful
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about what I disclose, not to be overly dramatic about it.
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All in due time, right. Ever since that first phone call,
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Amanda and I have been talking through everyone who might
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be a suspect in Kelly's disappearance. What about Joe Henry,
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the video store manager. Sure, Joe was the last person
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to see Kelly on the night she vanished, but he
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had an alibi. He'd gone to the grocery store and
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talked to a friend on the phone after getting off work. Plus,
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Joe just seems like a nice guy to me. Philip Williams,
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the local news reporter, is always quick to vouch for Joe.
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A month after my first trip to Gilmer, I went
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to see Philip again. I found him sitting in an
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old recliner near the front door of his furniture store
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right off the town square.
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Jo Henry up here to that Burger place?
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Yeah, I popped in the same day I talked to you.
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Joe and I had known each other a long time
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when all this happened. He was one of my best friends,
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and poor guy talking about being in the wrong place
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at the wrong time.
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Naturally he looked like a suspect because he walked out
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with her that night.
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Well, ain't no way, and hell, Joe Henry kill anybody
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unless it was self defense. I mean, he's just you know,
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never has been a violent person.
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He has been squeaming this year about talking about it.
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And one thing you're probably going to discover, and I
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want to explain this to you in case you do,
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if you don't already know, Joe has a conviction for
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child or audi.
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That happened eighteen years ago or so.
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Now.
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What happened was he had a friend who was into
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it heavy. Joe had told him to get rid of it,
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and he's certainly no pediphile. He was downloading zip, zip
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bounds and knees groups for this guy who is now dead.
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They came and got Joe's computer one day.
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And found ten images on there, and Joe told me
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that he was downloaded stuff for his Tony and couldn't
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see what he was download when turn that was child
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pornography and I traced it to his computer.
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So he played no contest.
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Philip told me that Joe's lawyer advised him to accept
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a plea deal even though he was innocent, to avoid
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the risk of a long prison sentence. On January fifth,
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two thousand and five, by sheer coincidence, thirteen years to
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the day since Kelly was last seen, Joe pleaded no
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contest to possession of child pornography, a third degree felony.
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He was given five years probation.
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Satisfactory completed his provide with no sweat. Of course, his
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picture was on TV and everything as a wonder didn't
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ruin his business. But in any event, I've never believed
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he was.
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Guilty, and I mean talk to people like me. I've
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known him a long time. Deptay, you ain't know Wayne
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hall So.
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Hendry's child less through pedophile, but I figured you might
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uncover this in the course of your research, and I
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wanted you to know what the truth story, as far
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as I.
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Believe it to be.
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I know Philip wants to believe the best of his friend,
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but just to be sure, I got my hands on
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his case file. One of the documents was an affidavit
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the cops used to secure the search warrant of Joe's
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house and his burger place. According to the affidavit, Joe's
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problems started when another guy from Gilbert named Tony Elardo
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got busted with five thousand images of child porn. He
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had it on computers, floppy disks, compact discs, and removable
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hard drives. When Lardo was arrested, he told the police
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he got most of the illegal porn from Joe. One
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of the hard drives even had Joe's written on it
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in black marker. If that wasn't bad enough, the FBI
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had also seized the database of a Fort Worth company
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that offered memberships for child porn websites. According to the affidavit,
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Joe Henry's name and personal information were right there in
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the database. The police were able to prove that Joe
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had even used his own credit cards to purchase the memberships.
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It's horrifying, and yet none of that means Joe had
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a hand in Kelly's disappearance. I had no idea about
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any of this when I first met Joe at his
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burger joint, But it turns out Joe had a reputation
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for inappropriate behavior with the high school girls who worked
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with him at the video store.
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Then that's all.
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Joe was the creepiest person on the face planet.
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This is Kelly's high school friend Lee Taylor.
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He just was a creeper. He gave us all the oh,
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you know, he just was always lurking around, always lurking around.
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My mom grew up with Joe, and I remember her
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being uneasy about us, all of us girls hanging out
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up there. All my friends were working at the movie store,
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and I wanted to work at the movie store with
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all my friends, and she would not let me. My
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mother would not. She was like, I don't want you
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around him.
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Joe has even admitted that he wants propositioned Kelly. He
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was in his mid thirties and she was seventeen. Although
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Joe has always maintained that he offered her one thousand
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dollars for sex as a joke.
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I want to say, like one thousand dollars I have
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sex with him or something, you know, And in nineteen
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ninety one, one thousand dollars was a lot of money,
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and you know, and I remember we would tell her
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you need to watch out for her. He is a
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total fucking creepster. Right grows yup and she's like, oh,
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I know he's harmless. Do you remember her staying one
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time like, oh, he's tried to get me to be
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with him or something like that.
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Joe has also admitted that he pulled down Kelly's sweatpants
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another time when he was trying to give her a wedgie.
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To be honest, this is shocking to me, but I
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remember how a lot of older men acted around teenage
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girls when I was younger. Other grown ups just kind
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of turned a blind eye to these men, bosses, teachers,
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church leaders. It was innocent flirting till it wasn't. Here's
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Kelly's other friend, Michelle, the one who lived with Kelly's
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family after she had a baby during their junior year.
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So many things were normalized, Like I remember in high
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school there were kids sleeping with coaches. I didn't get
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into that, but a lot of girls did. So I
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just feel like there was something going on in the
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community that we didn't know about, and it was making
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it too acceptable. And when you're that age, when you're
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fifteen or six, I have three daughters, When you're that age,
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you can taking advantage of so easily, and things can
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be normalized so quickly that you feel like those type
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of things are okay when they're not and you don't
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realize you're being victimized. That's what's very frustrating to me
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because I feel like that was going on, so it
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was different and you didn't have social media. People weren't blasted,
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and I feel like a lot of these older people
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were protected, like they just didn't believe young girls very much,
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you know, And that's why it's really hard for young
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00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.119
girls to come forward because says, well, they were intoxicated,
490
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so they didn't know what they were doing, so they
491
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.640
agreed to it. They shouldn't have been wearing a skirt
492
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.759
that short, they asked for it. There's so many things
493
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.359
that if a young girl comes forward, she even starts
494
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.279
to have her own friends or you know, people at
495
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:57.240
school saying, well, she's a slut anyway, you know, she's
496
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.160
always sleeping around, and so it makes it very very
497
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.119
hard for a young female to ever come forward because
498
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.559
they start being criticized. And I don't care how big
499
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.160
of a slut you are, you don't deserve to be
500
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.440
taken advantage of. You don't deserve to be raped.
501
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.720
During their junior year, when Michelle was still living with
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00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.400
Kelly's family, There was a night that Kelly didn't come home.
503
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.680
Miss Cathy was panicking and had me calling everybody. But
504
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.839
I was making phone calls and calling people I knew
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00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.720
to call, which was probably younger people.
506
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.319
Have you seen Kelly's Kelly with you? Have you seen her?
507
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:35.759
And I was doing all of those things and pacing,
508
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.039
you know, rather in the living room or in the kitchen.
509
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:43.039
It was dark outside, and I saw carlight, and when
510
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.599
I saw car lights, got outside.
511
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.000
But by the time I got outside.
512
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.599
And got down the steps, they were getting back in
513
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:52.640
the car pulling off.
514
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:53.119
So I did.
515
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.799
My focus was on Kelly, not on the car, because
516
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.799
I can tell she needed assistance. So I hollered for
517
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.680
Miss Kathy and I ran out there to get her.
518
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.519
So and I know it was somebody older dropping her off.
519
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.960
She was dressed in a long black gown and that
520
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.599
long blonde hair was tousled up on her head. I
521
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.720
mean she looked thirty and they dropped her off so
522
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.519
and she wasn't coherent. They propped her up against the fence.
523
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.240
But you've probably seen her dealt with the intoxicated person,
524
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.640
whether it's alcohol or drug use, whatever it is. She
525
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.920
wasn't like a sleep, passed out, but just wasn't with it,
526
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.720
you know what I mean. She told me the next
527
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.920
day that she couldn't remember anything, and I just I
528
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.000
didn't believe her.
529
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.000
But I didn't press her either.
530
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.880
I mean, she had done so much for me if
531
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.880
she'd made a mistake, I just really didn't want to
532
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.400
hold her feet to the fire. But I do wish
533
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.880
now i'd ask more questions. I was too young to
534
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.880
know to ask more questions, and it drives me nuts
535
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.640
because I feel like I could have found out a
536
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.559
lot more what was going on with her because I
537
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.799
had no idea what she had stepped off into.
538
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.119
Michelle is being hard on herself. Afterward, she tried to
539
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:07.680
find out who the car belonged to.
540
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.839
It was a black luxury car.
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00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.680
I asked around at school, does anybody know whose car
542
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:15.240
this is?
543
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.599
Michelle doesn't want to reveal anything more about the car,
544
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.240
at least not yet. Just to be clear, since we
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00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.119
mentioned him a minute ago, Joe Henry did not have
546
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.480
a black luxury car. He drove a pickup truck. This
547
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.960
was someone else. And there was this one dude, Clint,
548
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.480
who was pushing thirty when he met Kelly during her
549
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.079
junior year. At the time, Kelly had an after school
550
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.400
job at a buffet restaurant. How did you meet Kelly?
551
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.880
Through my youngest sister. They worked together at the Golden
552
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.319
Crowle there in Gilmourt. I was working out of town
553
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.920
pipeline and stuff. I'd come in on the weekends occasionally,
554
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:57.119
and we had a little bonfire party one night at
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00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.480
my mom and dad's house. She was a young Preddie
556
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.480
Blunt had a girl. We probably didn't, you know, I
557
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.400
don't even want to call it dating, because I mean
558
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.839
I was going all the time. It probably wasn't several
559
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.200
times that I seen her.
560
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.240
Where would you all go?
561
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:24.400
Hell, I don't remember it's going anywhere. She would come
562
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.000
out to the house. I'd already drove fourteen hours to
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00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.680
come home, and usually it was just you know, uh,
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00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:39.759
drink alcohol and do what folks do you know? It's
565
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.039
kind of a deal. I made good money. I could
566
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.440
come in for a job and give her a hundred
567
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.680
dollars bills, send her the mall.
568
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:47.720
She was a happy girl.
569
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.920
Six times in three months is all I ever seen her.
570
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.359
And I hadn't seen her in probably nine months when
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00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:02.119
she disappeared. Hell, I'd already got red. She was a
572
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.759
sweet girl. Well, like I say, you know, I was
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00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.480
older than her and that was probably just a flinging
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00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.599
deal for her or something other, just because you know,
575
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.799
I had one hundred dollars bills in my pocket or something.
576
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.400
Did she could you tell? Did she kind of expect
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00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:21.119
that or was it.
578
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:25.680
Just I No, No, she didn't ask me for money
579
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.759
at all. I would just say, hey, here's a hunter,
580
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.440
go dropping because I had plenty.
581
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.000
The way Clint puts it, Kelly was casual fun on
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00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.400
the rare occasions he was back in town from work.
583
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.720
But her friend Michelle remembers Kelly taking their relationship pretty seriously.
584
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.200
She was dating him when I moved in with her,
585
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.559
and when my parents found out that she was dating him,
586
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.640
they talked to Miss Kathy, and Miss Kathy made her
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00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.880
break up with me. She spent two days in that
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00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:56.960
bedroom balling and squalling over that. Whatever Kelly was doing
589
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.480
was normalized. I don't feel like she thought she was
590
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.359
being taken advantage of. I think what she was doing
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00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.200
she felt like it.
592
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.039
It was okay.
593
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.400
Like Clint said, he was already married by the time
594
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.000
Kelly went missing. The night Kelly disappeared Clint and his
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00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.840
wife were competing in an all night bingo tournament at
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00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.320
their church. It's pretty clear he had nothing to do
597
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:25.119
with Kelly's disappearance. The other day, I tried to stop
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00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.119
by Joe's place. There was a note on the window
599
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.960
his burger joint was closed due to a health issue.
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00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.079
If he was really sick, I didn't want to bother him,
601
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.320
but I also needed to ask him some difficult questions.
602
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.320
So I looked up Joe's home address and knocked on
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00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:41.760
his door.
604
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:43.679
Hey, where's come yet?
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00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.039
Yes, sir, man, i've been seeing I heard that.
606
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:46.639
What's wrong?
607
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.719
I've got to think out acolasia and it's a man.
608
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.280
It just got me down. Yeah, okay.
609
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.960
I almost didn't recognize Joe. He was in a bathrobe,
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00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.440
skin and bone. It had been a few months since
611
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:04.760
I saw him last, but he looked like he'd aged
612
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.039
twenty years.
613
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.119
Do you think you're going to be on the mend?
614
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.840
Are you feeling any better at all? Well, I'm feeling better.
615
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.800
I lost I went down from two ten to nine.
616
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.880
Well, I can tell you're very slim now.
617
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.440
And I've lost all my strength on my muscle mass.
618
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.039
I was eating supper one night and the food wouldn't
619
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:22.760
go down.
620
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:28.199
It hung right here, and then I started throwing up.
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00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:30.079
For two months.
622
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.559
It took his doctors a long time to figure out
623
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.559
what was wrong. Eventually they gave Joe some botox injections
624
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.280
in his stomach.
625
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.519
Well, then about three hours, I was starting to get
626
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:45.519
appetite back, and I'm I'm eating pretty good now, but
627
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.239
I just have lost all my strength and I don't
628
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.360
even know if I'm gonna be able to go back
629
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:49.679
to work.
630
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:51.960
So I told everyone that.
631
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.920
I haven't made a decision on that yet, but if
632
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.880
I don't get back to where I need to be,
633
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:00.679
then there's no way I can work.
634
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.679
Joe says he will probably wait till next year to
635
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.320
see if he is well enough to reopen the burger joint.
636
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.840
If not, he'll probably have to sell it and retire.
637
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.079
My customers say that if I'm not there, or if
638
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.840
I'm not cooking them, it's not.
639
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.639
Not kind of hamburg Of course, I hadn't come to
640
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:26.679
Joe's house to ask him about Hamburgers this difficult question.
641
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.840
But the thousand dollars.
642
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:33.920
Oh yes, that was totally out of context. That was
643
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.000
just some horseplay that was not definitely not serious, no,
644
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.800
just you know, just saying things you shouldn't absolutely not.
645
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.880
But yeah, they blew that all out of out of whack.
646
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.400
But that was horseplay. That and just saying things that
647
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.039
you shouldn't do. But now that was that was certainly
648
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.000
not done, but taken out of context as to what
649
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:00.239
it was, what was saying it.
650
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.239
Joe said he'd earned a thousand dollars from his side
651
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.039
hustle repairing BCRs. Kelly was taking the money out of
652
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.559
the cash drawer when Joe made the joke. He thinks
653
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.199
the customer overheard him.
654
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.119
It is just jumped, very embarrassing after that came out,
655
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.599
but it was it was I assure he was just
656
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.079
junk top. Sam Founs was brought up.
657
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:24.639
That was.
658
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.320
I think it was like pulling pulling up, Yeah, that's
659
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.400
right that way. It was what's the word?
660
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.679
What's what are they call when you pull your pants up?
661
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.920
Aggie Weggie, Well again that was, you know, one of
662
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.320
those things. And she jumped and I came down and
663
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.880
I didn't go look and I'm like, oh sorry, you.
664
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.239
Know, and that was totally wrong.
665
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.000
She would have been doing that kind of stuff just
666
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.400
for us playing. But that was what that was a past.
667
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.599
I pressed Joe on a few other things. If he
668
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.360
knew about Kelly seeing older men, maybe with money changing hands,
669
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.280
if he'd heard where her body might be buried, a
670
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.800
few other rumors I'd heard around town. Joe didn't seem
671
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.000
to know anything more than what he'd already told me.
672
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.119
After a while, I got up to leave. Joe gave
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00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.280
me a plastic grocery bag so I could gather some
674
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.360
pears from the tree in his front yard.
675
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:24.400
Always come by anytime you want too, Yes, sir, I'm always.
676
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:24.519
Here at now.
677
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:25.039
Yeah.
678
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.039
Well, keep feeling better, keep eating well, I'm gonna keep
679
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:29.119
eat that ice cream.
680
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.920
I'm gonna eat all ice cream on the handle.
681
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.480
As I've mentioned before, police eliminated Joe as a suspect
682
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.159
a long time ago. There are other leads to follow
683
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.760
people to interview. One interesting thing that Amanda, the private
684
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.280
investigator told me involves Kelly's friend group. They were teenage
685
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:55.119
girls when Kelly disappeared in nineteen ninety two. Now they're moms,
686
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.800
some with teenagers of their own. Earlier this year, around
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00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.840
the thirtieth anniversary of Kelly's disappearance, Kelly's friends got back
688
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.960
together to talk trade notes. What do you remember? What
689
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.000
did you tell police?
690
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.400
That they ignored and all of us girls talked about it,
691
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.320
and none of us were really involved in the search.
692
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.559
They didn't involve this. I didn't want involvement from her friends,
693
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.920
and we were young and weren't aggressive enough to say, hey,
694
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.360
what's going on. We were really depending on the adults
695
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.800
in the community to do what needed to be done.
696
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.559
For whatever reason, the adults weren't that interested in what
697
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.760
the girls knew. On top of that, back then, Michelle
698
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.239
had another reason to keep her distance from the case,
699
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.159
a warning from her own mom and stepdad.
700
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:43.400
Yeah.
701
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.920
One of the things that was very alarming to me
702
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.239
is that, you know, my parents were very involved in
703
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.000
a different world, and they sat me and my best
704
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.840
friend down after she was gone and we had gone
705
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.519
through all the questions and did everything we were supposed
706
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.400
to do. They sat us down then said, now that
707
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.360
you've you know, gone through all this, don't talk to
708
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.840
anybody else, don't talk to investigators, don't talk to the media.
709
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.079
I think they are more concerned with the media. They said,
710
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:14.800
you really need to stay quiet, and you need to
711
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.760
stay out of everything, because this has nothing to do
712
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.239
with the teenagers. They're looking at it has to do
713
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.480
with higher ups in the community. And my stepdad put
714
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.559
the fear of God in us. He said, your life
715
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.559
will be in grave danger if you get too involved
716
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.199
in this case.
717
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.199
We get into that next time on Deviletown.
718
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.639
I'm just gonna say it. There was a lot of
719
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:48.239
sexual payments made to Killy. We are pretty confident that
720
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:54.679
she was pregnant. We're looking at wereking some bad people.
721
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I mean, with that a doubt and if we're not careful,
722
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.239
we could have lives.
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And thank you.
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