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Welcome back to the Design Boss Dialogue Podcast, the interior design business podcast for women who are ready to build businesses that feel as good on the inside as they look on the outside.
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I'm your host, Lisa Marie Al Khadrawi, and today we are episode 96, The Feast or Famine Trap.
00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:34.680
So I had a question come up on a call recently that I think so many of you are going to relate to.
00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:48.520
A designer said to me, the reason I keep getting caught in Feast and Famine is that I take on so much work, I get completely swallowed by the projects, that I never actually find the time to market or generate new leads.
00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.479
And the second she said it, I could see the other women on the call nodding along as well.
00:01:53.640 --> 00:02:03.479
So if this is you, if you've ever finished a big project and felt that little flicker of panic of wondering when is the next one going to come in, this episode today is for you.
00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:04.920
So here's what happens.
00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:14.840
And I want to walk through it slowly because I think the pattern is so familiar that most of us stop actually noticing it happening.
00:02:15.079 --> 00:02:30.920
So work comes in sometimes in a big wave, two or three projects landing close together, which feels absolutely wonderful at first, and you throw everything you have at delivering it because you want to do right by your clients.
00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.280
That instinct is completely understandable.
00:02:34.519 --> 00:02:39.400
You're not being irresponsible by focusing on delivery, you're being conscientious.
00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:51.159
But while you're deep in the project, sourcing, managing trades, doing mood boards, handling any hiccups, being present for your client, something quietly stops happening in the background.
00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:57.159
Visibility stops, lead generation stops, pipeline building stops.
00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:07.959
Not because you've decided to deliberately pause it, but because there simply isn't any room left in your week once the delivery work has taken what it needs.
00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:28.520
So projects end, there's nothing behind it, no warm pipeline, no inquiries, gently waiting in your inbox, no content that's been building awareness while your head's down in the work, and suddenly you find yourself in famine, scrambling, anxious, wondering where the next client is actually going to come from.
00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:40.120
And even though just weeks earlier you were fully booked and seemingly thriving, this cycle repeats itself over and over and over across a year.
00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:52.039
And most designers assume it's simply the nature of the industry that interior design is inherently feast or famine, and it's just how creative businesses actually work.
00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:59.479
But I call bullshit on this, and I went to I want to gently challenge that belief today because I don't think it's true.
00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.680
I think it's a structural issue.
00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:03.240
Okay?
00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:22.039
And the reason this happens is because marketing and lead generation get quietly treated as something you do whenever you have the time, rather than something being built permanently into the rhythm of the business, regardless of how busy your delivery gets.
00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:34.120
So think about how most of us were taught, whether directly or just through absorbing the culture of this industry, client work comes first, it always has, it always will.
00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:41.639
There's a real person, a real space, a deadline, marketing behind that then feels by comparison completely soft.
00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:47.240
Because if we have a real client with real needs and real demands, ultimately they have to come first.
00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:53.720
That piece of content, that editorial, that PR, that blog, that can wait because there's no person behind it.
00:04:53.960 --> 00:04:58.279
And I'll get round to it once all the things have calmed down a little.
00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:05.240
But here's the problem with that belief things rarely calm down entirely on their own.
00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:16.680
And even when they do, by the time you've finally got a little bit of breathing room behind you, there's already a gap sitting there with absolutely nothing in it.
00:05:16.919 --> 00:05:17.240
Okay.
00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.759
You're now trying to generate leads from a standing start.
00:05:23.159 --> 00:05:28.360
At the exact moment, you also need the income to keep flowing back in.
00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:35.399
That's an incredibly stressful position to market from, and it rarely produces your best work.
00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:43.399
The businesses that don't experience feast and famine in the same dramatic way have built something structurally different underneath it.
00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:55.639
They have built consistent, ongoing visibility that runs quietly in the background, regardless of how busy the delivery side of the business gets in any given week.
00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:02.680
Crucially, it's not relying on motivation, energy, or whatever time happens to be left at the end of the day alongside it.
00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:03.240
Okay?
00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:10.040
It's not something they have to remember to do, it is structural.
00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.040
That is the key here.
00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:21.079
It's simply part of the rhythm of how business operates in the same way, invoicing or onboarding a client, it's part of that rhythm.
00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:28.519
So I want to bring this down to something practical because I don't want this to just feel like a nice idea with no shape to it.
00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:34.040
Imagine your business across a full 90-day cycle rather than week to week.
00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:43.800
If visibility is only happening when you happen to have spare capacity, it'll show up in unpredictable bursts.
00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:53.800
A flurry of posts one week, silence for the next three weeks, and then a slightly desperate push right before you need new work to land in.
00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:59.160
That inconsistency is completely confusing for the people following you too.
00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:06.600
It's hard to build trust and awareness with an audience when your presence is that unpredictable.
00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.800
Now imagine the alternative, okay?
00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:20.120
A small protected amount of visibility that happens every single week of those beautiful 90 days that quarter, no matter what else is happening in delivery.
00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.279
It doesn't have to be a huge amount.
00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:39.959
It might be far smaller during your busiest weeks and slightly more expansive during your quieter ones, but it never disappears entirely because it's treated as a non-negotiable, the same way you wouldn't skip invoicing a client just because you were busy on site that week.
00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:50.600
This is also where batching comes so valuable, particularly ahead when you go into a period, you know you're going to have a delivery-heavy week.
00:07:50.920 --> 00:08:00.360
If you know a big project is about to consume the next six weeks of your capacity, that's exactly the moment to prepare some visibility in advance.
00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:06.360
So you can continue running quietly in the background while your hands are full elsewhere.
00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:14.839
And it's the difference between hoping you'll find time for marketing and knowing it's already been taken care of before it's needed.
00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:20.199
Now, here's the piece of the puzzle that I don't think gets talked about enough.
00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.959
And it's actually just as important as the marketing side.
00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:53.960
If your pricing is guesswork, if you're quoting each project from scratch, slightly nervous each time, occasionally underpricing just to feel confident that you're going to actually win the job, then even when you are fully booked, you're not necessarily fully paid.
00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:00.920
You can be run completely off your feet with projects and still not be earning what the volume of work actually justifies.
00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:08.200
That's its own quiet version of famine, hiding inside what you would consider feast.
00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.240
I want to let that land for a moment.
00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.759
It's its own quiet version of famine hiding inside what it looks like feast.
00:09:16.839 --> 00:09:21.960
You naturally think that you are earning your on top of the world, but you're actually undercharging.
00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.440
And I see this constantly.
00:09:24.839 --> 00:09:31.720
A designer takes on more and more projects to compensate for the fact that each one isn't paying quite what it should.
00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:36.680
She fills her diary completely and she's still anxious about the money.
00:09:36.839 --> 00:09:46.840
She's still working evenings, she's still wondering why being so busy doesn't actually translate into the income she's expecting.
00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.120
And the problem there isn't lead generation at all.
00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.440
It's that her pricing structure was never built to protect her time or her profit in the first place.
00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:03.639
This is exactly why the pricing conversation and the momentum conversation have to sit beside each other in this.
00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:08.200
Because building consistent visibility only solves half the equation.
00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:16.200
It's what landing from that visibility is underpriced, and you simply recreate feast or famine in a completely different way.
00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.960
It's being busy but not actually thriving.
00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:30.679
And this is really where thinking in 90-day cycles rather than single weeks becomes so powerful, and where pricing has to be part of that cycle of thinking too.
00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:38.519
So instead of asking yourself on a Tuesday morning MIG project, do I actually have time to market this week?
00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:47.080
Which will almost always come back as a firm no when you're deeply in the delivery work, you ask a completely different question.
00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:59.720
You ask, what does visibility need to look like across this entire quarter in a way that holds regardless of how busy any individual week becomes?
00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:06.919
And is what I'm charging actually building the kind of momentum I want, or am I just staying busy?
00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.120
Okay, I want you to ask yourself those questions.
00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:17.799
That might mean building simple referral systems that continue working quietly even when you're not actively thinking about them.
00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:25.399
It might mean protecting one small, unmovable slice of time each week purely for visibility.
00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:36.759
It might mean batching content ahead of a period you know is going to be really intense because you've got installations, you've got project meetings, or you've got big onboarding to do.
00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:47.720
But it also means revisiting your pricing structure with real intention rather than leaving it exactly as it was when you first set it, sometimes even two, three years ago.
00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:53.159
And the specific methods matter far less than the underlying principle.
00:11:53.559 --> 00:12:06.600
Lead generation and pricing cannot be allowed to be two things that quietly slip the moment you get busy, because that's precisely what creates both sides of famine waiting for you on the other end.
00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.679
Feast or famine feels like bad luck when you're in the middle of it.
00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.600
It feels completely random.
00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:18.279
Like some months the universe just simply favours you, and others it completely doesn't.
00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.440
But it isn't bad luck.
00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:27.960
It's what happens when visibility is treated as optional, when pricing is left to guesswork rather than structure.
00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:36.200
The moment you build both into your business as genuine non-negotiable foundations, that cycle really does start to break.
00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:50.360
If pricing is the piece that's resonating most for you today, if you've recognized yourself in that description of being fully booked, but somehow still not feeling paid what you're worth, I want to point you towards something.
00:12:50.679 --> 00:13:02.440
I've put together Fully Booked and Highly Paid, a three-course program built specifically to help you price with confidence, protect your time, and stop the guesswork once and for all.
00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:10.440
You're going to find the link in the show notes, and it is my profitability pricing method to stop you reinventing the wheel.
00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:21.399
You instantly, from watching module two and then going back and watching module one, will support you in transforming your prices immediately in your stage one delivery.
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And there's a bonus in module three for show homes.
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Dive into it, it's in the show notes, you're gonna absolutely love it.
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That's it for today's episode of Design Boss Dialogue, the interior design business podcast for women who are ready to build businesses that feel as good on the inside as they look on the outside.
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And if you've experienced this cycle yourself, I would love to hear about it.
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Share this episode on Instagram and tag me, Design Boss Diary.
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I am Lisa Marie Al Kadrawi.
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I'm your interior design business coach and mentor building feel good businesses with soulful leadership as the intersection of it.
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I will see you next week for another beautiful, powerful packed podcast.
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Welcome back to the Design Boss Dialogue Podcast, the interior design business podcast for women who are ready to build businesses that feel as good on the inside as they look on the outside.
00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:27.960
I'm your host, Lisa Marie Al Khadrawi, and today we are episode 96, The Feast or Famine Trap.
00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:34.680
So I had a question come up on a call recently that I think so many of you are going to relate to.
00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:48.520
A designer said to me, the reason I keep getting caught in Feast and Famine is that I take on so much work, I get completely swallowed by the projects, that I never actually find the time to market or generate new leads.
00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.479
And the second she said it, I could see the other women on the call nodding along as well.
00:01:53.640 --> 00:02:03.479
So if this is you, if you've ever finished a big project and felt that little flicker of panic of wondering when is the next one going to come in, this episode today is for you.
00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:04.920
So here's what happens.
00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:14.840
And I want to walk through it slowly because I think the pattern is so familiar that most of us stop actually noticing it happening.
00:02:15.079 --> 00:02:30.920
So work comes in sometimes in a big wave, two or three projects landing close together, which feels absolutely wonderful at first, and you throw everything you have at delivering it because you want to do right by your clients.
00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.280
That instinct is completely understandable.
00:02:34.519 --> 00:02:39.400
You're not being irresponsible by focusing on delivery, you're being conscientious.
00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:51.159
But while you're deep in the project, sourcing, managing trades, doing mood boards, handling any hiccups, being present for your client, something quietly stops happening in the background.
00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:57.159
Visibility stops, lead generation stops, pipeline building stops.
00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:07.959
Not because you've decided to deliberately pause it, but because there simply isn't any room left in your week once the delivery work has taken what it needs.
00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:28.520
So projects end, there's nothing behind it, no warm pipeline, no inquiries, gently waiting in your inbox, no content that's been building awareness while your head's down in the work, and suddenly you find yourself in famine, scrambling, anxious, wondering where the next client is actually going to come from.
00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:40.120
And even though just weeks earlier you were fully booked and seemingly thriving, this cycle repeats itself over and over and over across a year.
00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:52.039
And most designers assume it's simply the nature of the industry that interior design is inherently feast or famine, and it's just how creative businesses actually work.
00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:59.479
But I call bullshit on this, and I went to I want to gently challenge that belief today because I don't think it's true.
00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.680
I think it's a structural issue.
00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:03.240
Okay?
00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:22.039
And the reason this happens is because marketing and lead generation get quietly treated as something you do whenever you have the time, rather than something being built permanently into the rhythm of the business, regardless of how busy your delivery gets.
00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:34.120
So think about how most of us were taught, whether directly or just through absorbing the culture of this industry, client work comes first, it always has, it always will.
00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:41.639
There's a real person, a real space, a deadline, marketing behind that then feels by comparison completely soft.
00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:47.240
Because if we have a real client with real needs and real demands, ultimately they have to come first.
00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:53.720
That piece of content, that editorial, that PR, that blog, that can wait because there's no person behind it.
00:04:53.960 --> 00:04:58.279
And I'll get round to it once all the things have calmed down a little.
00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:05.240
But here's the problem with that belief things rarely calm down entirely on their own.
00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:16.680
And even when they do, by the time you've finally got a little bit of breathing room behind you, there's already a gap sitting there with absolutely nothing in it.
00:05:16.919 --> 00:05:17.240
Okay.
00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.759
You're now trying to generate leads from a standing start.
00:05:23.159 --> 00:05:28.360
At the exact moment, you also need the income to keep flowing back in.
00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:35.399
That's an incredibly stressful position to market from, and it rarely produces your best work.
00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:43.399
The businesses that don't experience feast and famine in the same dramatic way have built something structurally different underneath it.
00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:55.639
They have built consistent, ongoing visibility that runs quietly in the background, regardless of how busy the delivery side of the business gets in any given week.
00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:02.680
Crucially, it's not relying on motivation, energy, or whatever time happens to be left at the end of the day alongside it.
00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:03.240
Okay?
00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:10.040
It's not something they have to remember to do, it is structural.
00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.040
That is the key here.
00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:21.079
It's simply part of the rhythm of how business operates in the same way, invoicing or onboarding a client, it's part of that rhythm.
00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:28.519
So I want to bring this down to something practical because I don't want this to just feel like a nice idea with no shape to it.
00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:34.040
Imagine your business across a full 90-day cycle rather than week to week.
00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:43.800
If visibility is only happening when you happen to have spare capacity, it'll show up in unpredictable bursts.
00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:53.800
A flurry of posts one week, silence for the next three weeks, and then a slightly desperate push right before you need new work to land in.
00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:59.160
That inconsistency is completely confusing for the people following you too.
00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:06.600
It's hard to build trust and awareness with an audience when your presence is that unpredictable.
00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.800
Now imagine the alternative, okay?
00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:20.120
A small protected amount of visibility that happens every single week of those beautiful 90 days that quarter, no matter what else is happening in delivery.
00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.279
It doesn't have to be a huge amount.
00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:39.959
It might be far smaller during your busiest weeks and slightly more expansive during your quieter ones, but it never disappears entirely because it's treated as a non-negotiable, the same way you wouldn't skip invoicing a client just because you were busy on site that week.
00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:50.600
This is also where batching comes so valuable, particularly ahead when you go into a period, you know you're going to have a delivery-heavy week.
00:07:50.920 --> 00:08:00.360
If you know a big project is about to consume the next six weeks of your capacity, that's exactly the moment to prepare some visibility in advance.
00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:06.360
So you can continue running quietly in the background while your hands are full elsewhere.
00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:14.839
And it's the difference between hoping you'll find time for marketing and knowing it's already been taken care of before it's needed.
00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:20.199
Now, here's the piece of the puzzle that I don't think gets talked about enough.
00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.959
And it's actually just as important as the marketing side.
00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:53.960
If your pricing is guesswork, if you're quoting each project from scratch, slightly nervous each time, occasionally underpricing just to feel confident that you're going to actually win the job, then even when you are fully booked, you're not necessarily fully paid.
00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:00.920
You can be run completely off your feet with projects and still not be earning what the volume of work actually justifies.
00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:08.200
That's its own quiet version of famine, hiding inside what you would consider feast.
00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.240
I want to let that land for a moment.
00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.759
It's its own quiet version of famine hiding inside what it looks like feast.
00:09:16.839 --> 00:09:21.960
You naturally think that you are earning your on top of the world, but you're actually undercharging.
00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.440
And I see this constantly.
00:09:24.839 --> 00:09:31.720
A designer takes on more and more projects to compensate for the fact that each one isn't paying quite what it should.
00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:36.680
She fills her diary completely and she's still anxious about the money.
00:09:36.839 --> 00:09:46.840
She's still working evenings, she's still wondering why being so busy doesn't actually translate into the income she's expecting.
00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.120
And the problem there isn't lead generation at all.
00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.440
It's that her pricing structure was never built to protect her time or her profit in the first place.
00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:03.639
This is exactly why the pricing conversation and the momentum conversation have to sit beside each other in this.
00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:08.200
Because building consistent visibility only solves half the equation.
00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:16.200
It's what landing from that visibility is underpriced, and you simply recreate feast or famine in a completely different way.
00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.960
It's being busy but not actually thriving.
00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:30.679
And this is really where thinking in 90-day cycles rather than single weeks becomes so powerful, and where pricing has to be part of that cycle of thinking too.
00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:38.519
So instead of asking yourself on a Tuesday morning MIG project, do I actually have time to market this week?
00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:47.080
Which will almost always come back as a firm no when you're deeply in the delivery work, you ask a completely different question.
00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:59.720
You ask, what does visibility need to look like across this entire quarter in a way that holds regardless of how busy any individual week becomes?
00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:06.919
And is what I'm charging actually building the kind of momentum I want, or am I just staying busy?
00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.120
Okay, I want you to ask yourself those questions.
00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:17.799
That might mean building simple referral systems that continue working quietly even when you're not actively thinking about them.
00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:25.399
It might mean protecting one small, unmovable slice of time each week purely for visibility.
00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:36.759
It might mean batching content ahead of a period you know is going to be really intense because you've got installations, you've got project meetings, or you've got big onboarding to do.
00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:47.720
But it also means revisiting your pricing structure with real intention rather than leaving it exactly as it was when you first set it, sometimes even two, three years ago.
00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:53.159
And the specific methods matter far less than the underlying principle.
00:11:53.559 --> 00:12:06.600
Lead generation and pricing cannot be allowed to be two things that quietly slip the moment you get busy, because that's precisely what creates both sides of famine waiting for you on the other end.
00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.679
Feast or famine feels like bad luck when you're in the middle of it.
00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.600
It feels completely random.
00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:18.279
Like some months the universe just simply favours you, and others it completely doesn't.
00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.440
But it isn't bad luck.
00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:27.960
It's what happens when visibility is treated as optional, when pricing is left to guesswork rather than structure.
00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:36.200
The moment you build both into your business as genuine non-negotiable foundations, that cycle really does start to break.
00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:50.360
If pricing is the piece that's resonating most for you today, if you've recognized yourself in that description of being fully booked, but somehow still not feeling paid what you're worth, I want to point you towards something.
00:12:50.679 --> 00:13:02.440
I've put together Fully Booked and Highly Paid, a three-course program built specifically to help you price with confidence, protect your time, and stop the guesswork once and for all.
00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:10.440
You're going to find the link in the show notes, and it is my profitability pricing method to stop you reinventing the wheel.
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You instantly, from watching module two and then going back and watching module one, will support you in transforming your prices immediately in your stage one delivery.
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And there's a bonus in module three for show homes.
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Dive into it, it's in the show notes, you're gonna absolutely love it.
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That's it for today's episode of Design Boss Dialogue, the interior design business podcast for women who are ready to build businesses that feel as good on the inside as they look on the outside.
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And if you've experienced this cycle yourself, I would love to hear about it.
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Share this episode on Instagram and tag me, Design Boss Diary.
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I am Lisa Marie Al Kadrawi.
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I'm your interior design business coach and mentor building feel good businesses with soulful leadership as the intersection of it.
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I will see you next week for another beautiful, powerful packed podcast.
