Knowing When to Push, When to Stop, and Why It Matters | Chase Ingraham

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Mr.
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Chase Ingram, I have probably the most serious question ever that I would like to ask you.
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And that is, has anyone ever pooped themselves at a CrossFit competition?
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And if they have, what from an organizational perspective did they do about it?
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So I think it's it's all the crazy, it's it's like all the rage right now, right?
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It's kind of timely while doing a fitness activity.
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The only one I can remember is I think this was at TFX a couple years ago.
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And it was like a pairs event, and it was somebody doing like box jumpovers or box step overs.
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And it was one of those, like, I don't think they knew right away.
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And then eventually, once they figured it out, I've everything shut down really quickly.
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Like there was no, hey, we'll just get through this.
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It's like I need to leave now.
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Like that's uh I have seen it happen before.
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Um, and it was uh they did not keep competing uh after that happened.
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So maybe that is the difference between CrossFit and Hyrux.
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Although, I mean, you see it, I mean, any like you've seen that in any like endurance races.
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Absolutely, right?
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Like, that's not like when I saw that thing for high rocks, I was like, I've seen this before.
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I mean, this is you know, it's not like you're running out in the road, though.
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You it's a shared space, so that was my kind of like, hey, is it worth it?
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And I can't think of a scenario other than like it's gonna save my family's life.
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That could be worth continuing.
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Other than that, I mean I think you're right.
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That's what's so interesting, is because we do see we've seen pictures in marathons and different types of endurance events a lot, but it's not an enclosed shared space.
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And because HyROX has pulled in so many runners that are okay becoming a hybrid athlete, that it probably brings across that same mentality that it's like, well, the thing keeps going, no one's told me to stop, so why would I?
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Right.
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And I did actually right before we started, I saw that she put out a um a note kind of like apologizing she's gonna give up the points and things of that nature, and that from an organizational perspective, they did put out kind of a if a biohazard type thing happens, blood, urine, poop, yeah, in the future, they they now have the right to either pull the athlete, remove things and stuff.
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So I do think that's the right thing.
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But we've seen stuff like that happen across not the pooping part, well, you know, on the at the games or anything, but where from an organizational perspective, they weren't ready and a thing happened, and it's like, ooh, we need to be more prepared for this next time.
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You know what I mean?
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Growing pains of sports.
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Um it just happens to be that one.
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And and yeah, like, but like I said, as on a personal, it's like there's no, I was like, there's nothing that I'm like, I need to keep going.
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I just it's I was like, whatever it was, you're gonna win points, money.
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I just in that scenario, personally, there's nothing worth it to continue.
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Okay.
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I was like, well, that sucks.
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I need to leave immediately.
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Well, but step back to 2010, right?
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Captain America, you're at the games, Home Depot Center, the tennis stadium.
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Like, as that athlete, like, where do you think you would have been?
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Where do you think other athletes would have been?
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Maybe not just pooping yourself, but that kind of that, like, holy crap, there's this moment happening and it's pulling me away.
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That's a good question because any other scenario where it's like, I mean, we've all if we've all been doing cross it, it was like we've ripped our hands to shreds.
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Uh, I mean, like that happened to me in 2010, mentioning the cross it games, is that it was Super Helen or Pyramid Helen, where it was, you know, 1200 meter run, 63 kettlebell swings, 36 pull-ups.
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And then it was, you know, basically it was like three rounds of Helen, two rounds of Helen, one round of Helen, but it bulked in.
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And by like the 63 kettlebell swings going to the pull-ups, like I'd already ripped my hands.
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And I'm like, all right, I gotta I have to do all of this again twice.
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And that's like whatever, like that's fine.
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Or it's like I can't think of scenarios where like that mental push from an athletic standpoint, usually it's pain or uncomfortability that you can push through.
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Like that one, man, I don't know.
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I I I like I think there are some unique scenarios where like now I'm good.
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I'm I'm uh I'm stopping.
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Yeah.
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It's like obviously the majority of the it by no means was I ever in qualification for even think a thing like a games, but I have raced nationally in Durbos as an old man, right?
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At an expert level.
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And even in that, like we are eating so much because we're out on the trail five to six hours, you know what I mean?
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Like we're taking in all these calories, but we're trying to be smart about it so we don't wind up having in a moment.
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And yeah, I don't even think I've had talked to an athlete.
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Granted, I think I've talked to way more athletes that have vomited.
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Like they have just pushed themselves to the point where they have completely just blown chunks either in a test section or after a test section, or maybe even nerves because they're in a good spot, they're ready to go to that next one.
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Actually, that's a good question.
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Like, where would that normally happen at the games?
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Like, because I think we've talked, like Matt Fraser's talked about puking, other people have like how do they kind of corral that either before, after, and stuff like that?
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I've seen it, I actually seen it happen in the last couple of years where it was like pre, like on the walkout, someone either just like when the athletes were getting put out on the competition floor, they either found a trash can or just found an open spot on the floor uh prior to.
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I've seen it after.
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Uh, there was one regional, this was the I want to say it was it was a California regional.
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I can't remember if it was like the full combined one, but this is when they did the like triple threes on the treadmill.
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And uh one of the guys like threw up on the run on the treadmill, but just kept going.
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Right?
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And it's kind of funny, it's like, yeah, that might be one where like, yeah, I'm cool.
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Like it's out, we're good.
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Um it's in my space.
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I'm I'm I'm going with it.
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Kind of sucks if it's on a treadmill because then it just uh you know, there's nowhere for it to go except around you.
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Yeah, at that point, you hope you're one of the end athletes, because then you're only pissing off one athlete, potentially not four, you know, as it if it were to uh spread its wings, if you will.
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I could keep going.
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I've I've yeah, I could keep going, throwing up, I could keep going.
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Honestly, pick any other scenario other than shitting myself, and I could probably I'd be fine continuing.
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But yeah, that last one, that might be it.
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That that's uh apparently I have a line, and that's where it is.
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Well, I think it was potentially sometime last year, it might have been even 2024 as we go into all this stuff.
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I love get with the programming.
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I have to admit that I kind of do pick and choose, right?
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I can't listen to all of them.
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I like your voice, don't get me wrong.
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I would listen to it daily, but I it's just that much programming.
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It's a little much for me, right?
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But there was one where you guys really got into the weeds with high rocks and you talked about, we'll go to the the positive news of HyROX.
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And you talked about how you thought that would have been such an amazing event to have started the games with.
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And I was like all on board.
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I think there's a couple times where they've asked about events, and I'm always like, Chase Ingram, HyROX event, please make that happen, you know?
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Yeah.
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But lightly though, like can you kind of like go back into why you feel that that is such a great, you know, introduction to the weekend and why it fits into what you believe they're testing when it comes to the games?
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Well, I mean, when you look at CrossFit, the training methodology to start, right?
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The sport is an application of the methodology.
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It's that it's the top of the pyramid, right?
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So when we think about the theoretical hierarchy of development, right, you've got nutrition, metabolic conditioning, gymnastics, uh throwing and weightlifting, and then you've got sport at the top.
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And everyone thinks like, oh, baseball, soccer.
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It's like, no, no, cross it games is the sport, right?
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Like that's that's the top of it.
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It is just as niche as these other sports because it's not a training methodology, it's an application of the training methodology.
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And so what we like to do in cross it in general is like, hey, uh think weightlifting, right?
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Snatch and clean a jerk.
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It's like, well, we like to test ourselves, like, how do we, how close can we get to them by being generalist?
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Or the mile we saw at the cross it games?
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How, how well or how fast our athletes do a mile?
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How do they do a you know half marathon?
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How do they row a marathon?
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Like, we like to see those kind of tests in niche fitness or niche sport-like things, cycling being one of those as well, swimming being another.
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Well, why not high ROX?
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Because like HyROX is not a training methodology, it's a race.
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It's one workout, it doesn't change.
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Therefore, it's like, okay, we did Murph at the cross at games.
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Like, there's there's these little benchmark things, and high ROX is now one of those benchmark things, in my opinion.
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So why not take our fittest athletes in the world and have them do a high rocks race and see where we stack up?
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And I think that would be the a really cool twofold.
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One, it'd be just really cool to see, right?
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Hey, how do how do our guys do and not specialize in this?
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How do their time stack with the fit, like the best high rocks people in the world, which is always fun to do that apples to apples comparison?
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I and you know, start the weekend off.
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We usually start the weekend off in a little bit of a longer test.
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Sometimes they move that around, right?
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Which they should.
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It shouldn't always be the first event of the CrossFit games.
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But the other one is I think it would create a really great uh relationship with a fitness race like event like HyROX with CrossFit.
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Because if you want to think as like, what can any CrossFit or anyone who does CrossFit do?
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Any one of us could go walk in and do a Hyrux race that day.
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All of us can.
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If you're strictly Hyrox and that's all you train for, then you they're like you walk into a group class and you might not be able to do half the movements in there because you don't do them.
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Right?
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It's a one-way street, like CrossFit allows you to do everything.
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Everything else doesn't mean you could do walk-in and do CrossFit.
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And I but I do believe that there's a great easy relationship to have between CrossFit and HyRox.
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And I believe we missed the boat there.
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And I say we because I like I do work for CrossFit.
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Um, we miss the boat there of like it should have been like, yeah, of course, our people can do this anytime.
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We'd love to try to do like it's it's just another benchmark test of fitness, right?
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And so to do that, I think it would be a really cool relationship to just kind of olive branch that out because I feel like we're a little there's some jostling there in terms of you know, oh, but this is the a fitness race.
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Like, no, it's not, it's just it's a it's a race, right?
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It's no different than saying like a sprint triathlon is a fitness race.
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Like, no, it's not, it's a sprint triathlon, right?
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It's a different kind of test, it's an endurance test with three modalities of amount of structural movements.
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High rocks is the same thing, it's got what is it, 10?
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Is it 10 stations or eight stations?
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I think it's 10, yeah.
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Uh no, it's eight stations.
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Good question.
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We should be we should be more educated.
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Yeah, it's eight stations, right?
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Thousand meter run, and then it's like thousand-meter row, thousand meter ski.
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This isn't in order.
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Uh, sled pull, sled push, farmer carry, lunge, burpee, broad jump, hundred wall ball shots.
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Right that never changes.
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So all you have to do really now is like all you have to do is be a really, really good runner, and you're already gonna be like top of the class in high rocks.
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But it's like, okay, work on your wall ball, sled push, row, ski, like that doesn't change, right?
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Right.
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And so I think it's uh I would love to see that relationship get more solidified by being like, hey, you guys come in, do the high rocks thing, make it official, so like all these times are legit.
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HyROX runs it, and then what I think would be like the coolest thing for the weekend is that don't put the high rocks thing in the actual arena that they'll be competing in all weekend.
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Do it next to it.
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I love this idea.
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Today we're next to a convention center.
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So now, guess what you guys get to do all weekend long?
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You get to watch the cross at games and sign up and do a legit Hyrocks during the CrossFit game.
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So Hyrocks is just running this thing for five days straight, wherever we are, and then you bring in two different worlds, which they all play in the same sandbox a little bit, and it's CrossFit sandbox, and you know, they get to be outside of that.
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I just it it just makes and maybe I'm just stuck in my own biased opinion because uh this is what I want so bad, but it just it's such an easy thing to do, and I think the ramifications and the trickle-down effect of what that relationship between CrossFit and HyROX will be, it could it would be great.
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And so that, yes, I would love that to happen.
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You said something in there, and it made me think about the fact that a high rocks is something is on event that you train for.
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Now, the games is an event that also athletes train for.
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But when it comes to the CrossFit methodology, that is a methodology towards an improvement in your life.
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And I think that that's so interesting because in the way that you said that, it made me think about those that just I want to do a high ROX.
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What am I gonna do?
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It's in two months, I'm gonna go train for the high rocks.
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So that's like couch to 5K.
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It's that same mentality of like, okay, I want to go get this, do this thing, but I know I need something I'm gonna train for it.
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What happens afterwards, right?
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I see this so much in running in 75 hard, couch to 5k, all these kinds of things where there's a goal.
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The goal is achieved.
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You've done the high rocks, you've done the ultra marathon, you've completed the 5K, but then it's kind of like, so what's next?
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Or 75 hard.
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That's the one where I watch a lot of people just get back into another 75 hard because there's no actual methodology, there's no actual exit strategy that comes out of like how does the human begin to evolve their thinking to realize that you can actually move three days a week and keep yourself at a pretty good baseline and not need to do a 75 hard, train for a goal.
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You know what I mean, in that regard.
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And that's what I think is so amazing about having a great community at a CrossFit gym versus like feeling like you need to be an athlete that has to train for a goal.
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And that's dangerous, I think, too, for us normal humans.
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Yeah, because we're always just like, I need more, more is better.
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But if less couch time is better, then that's actually better.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, and that's uh it's a great point because these are just singular events, right?
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A singularity of, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do the triathlon, I'm gonna do the half marathon, I'm gonna do the high rocks, I'm gonna do 75 hard.
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And if you're just and that's the beauty of training in Cross It because every day you have an opportunity to go to a gym and then just like work out, not for the workout, right?
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You're working out for everything else that comes like as a benefit of that.
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You get to go in, you got a group of people, you got a coach, you got a community, you got a support system there, right?
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That's something you can come back to every day.
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It's always different, it's varied, not random.
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And that's your baseline, right?
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That becomes the thing that you do versus like it's not a hobby, right?
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This isn't this is like, hey, this is just a part of me, right?
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This but the the thing is is that I feel like a lot of people make that the thing they do, like the only thing they do.
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It's like, oh, I train for CrossFit to work out and do the five o'clock class.
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Like, no, you do the five o'clock class, so you can do the triathlon and then come back to class.
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You can do the high rocks, you can do the 75 hard, you can do that weeklong mountain hike trail trip.
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You can like you can't, like you do CrossFit as like this just what I do.
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It's I it's my thing, and this thing allows me to do everything else I want to do.
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And then when I do that thing, I get to come back to the normal thing.
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And so I think that's where the baseline will be.
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And that's the beauty of the relationship between CrossFit and all of these other things that people like to do.
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And that's that's where I I hope people see that it's like they're not at odds.
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Like if you want to be able to do all of these cool things, which is what you should do, is like we don't train CrossFit to be good at CrossFit.
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Unless you're gonna try to do go to the CrossFit games.
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Very, very tiny select group of people.
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I I do CrossFit, so I can do everything else.
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Pick a category.
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Hey Chase, do you want to go do this blank this weekend?
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Yes, I can because I do this as my baseline and if I want to get a little if I want to do a little bit better, all right.
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Hey, we're gonna do um we're gonna do a sprint triathlon in November.
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I was like, cool.
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I'm gonna hop in the pool once a week, maybe get on my bike, add a little couple of runs, but I'm still gonna do CrossFit.
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And so you do have that thing to come back to versus like what you're saying is, well, I I just started running and biking and swimming, and I hired this coach and this programmer, and I did it, and I did it.
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Like, now what?
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Right.
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And so that the thing you do isn't the end, it's just like a cool thing, a feather in the cap.
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And that's what I that's all I like about Crossic is once whatever I do the thing, because I'm gonna do a high rocks relay in November.
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It's gonna be awesome, right?
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And it's it's it's it's almost like uh it's a great gateway step in because you do it with four people, but you only do two stations.
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Right, and my wife's doing it with me, and it's gonna be super fun.
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It'd be like our first little fitness thing together.
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And yeah, we're like, all right, training, all right.
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We're gonna run a little bit more, right?
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But nothing else is gonna change.
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And then afterwards, like, cool, all right, we did that thing.
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What's the next thing we can do?
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It's like, yeah, I'm gonna go back.
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But going back to the gym and just staying fit, right, prepared for the unknown and unknowable, just meaning it's like we do all these different kinds of things.
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Go long, go short, lift heavy, lift light with high volume, do gymnastic skills.
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Like, I can do whatever I want.
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And that's the cool part about CrossFit.
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I don't have to be specific with the things that I train for unless I really want to focus on that at the time.
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Okay, back to the episode.
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You mentioned in there, get it in the pool.
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I've got to bring this up because I suck at swimming.
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You were a collegiate swimmer.
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As a collegiate swimmer, you may have sucked, you may have been awesome, but I know you were better than me.
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So I was very, very mute.
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I was I was just good enough to be able to race in college and bad enough that no one ever knew that I swam in college.
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Perfect.
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You're like, I can hide a little because no one's ever gonna see me on a podium.
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No one knows that I am good at swimming, but also nobody knew that I was good at swimming either in the swimming world, too, because I wasn't.
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They're like, I wear a speedo, nobody knows about it.
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It's amazing.
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Yep.
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Okay, so I can't kick, right?
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Like, there is like this.
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Somebody saw me in the pool one time, they were like, so when are you gonna use your legs?
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I was like, I am.
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They're like, no, no, sir.
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And they handed me a kickboard, they handed me a kickboard, they were like, try to get across the pool.
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Like they weren't like, do this.
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They were like, try.
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They could see that they were, and I literally was like, I just stood still.
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Like it was the most, I was like, what's happening?
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They're like, you're moving your legs, you're not using your legs.
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Yes.
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I was like, okay, Chase is gonna be able to help me figure this out.
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Like, what is happening there that I'm not doing that I need to figure out how to work on?
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It's kind of like the like rubbing your belly, patting your head at the same time, kind of a thing.
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Right?
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It's like, oh, if my arms are moving, how do I focus on my legs?
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I'm so hyper-focused on what's happening here.
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I don't know what's going on behind me.
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And that uh that takes practice.
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Here's the thing like if you don't point your toes when you kick, you will go nowhere.
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Right.
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So most people have flexed feet because they're they're doing this, right?
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But you gotta be like this.
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So you want to kick as if like you're wearing fins.
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Like if you think about it, if like if you put fins on and then you wore them like shoes, you're not gonna go anywhere.
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Right?
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Because you're you're when your feet are like this, it almost it will almost make you go backwards.
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So if you That's what it felt like.
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Right.
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So if you have, I don't know if this is flexed, yeah.
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If you have flexed feet, like you're just standing, right?
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You will go nowhere, possibly backwards.
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If you point your toes, as if you're wearing fins, because you can't do that, you can't kick with fins on the wrong way.
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That'll put you in a position, and then you'll be okay.
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And it's like um what is another thing people would say is it's like um kick with your feet, not with your legs.
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Because a lot of times people like use their legs like this instead of with their feet.
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Uh I see I've heard something about kick with your hips, not your legs.
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Yeah, it's like running, right?
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Like running, you don't run with your knees, right?
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You actually use your hips to pull the leg forward, and then the foot naturally pulls underneath you as you do that.
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Okay, okay.
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You it's it's the same kind of thing.
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But if you don't have like like if you told a swimmer that, like, oh I could I get that, right?
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But if you just told anyone that is like kick with my hips, I don't I don't understand.
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It's like, no, just like point your toes and Then feel the water with your feet, just like your little kid splashing in the tub.
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All right.
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Well, I'm if I can get into a pool before the end of the year, I'll make sure that I send you a video and you can uh you can definitely critique because we were talking about triath triathlons.
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Like again, I've been doing a lot of uh trail running, a couple different, you know, length ultras, all that kinds of stuff.
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Really enjoyed it.
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Huge mountain biker, dirt biker, all that kinds of stuff.
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And I was like, bro, like one of those off-road triathlons would be awesome.
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You know, like an extera or something like that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I was like under the doobie sick, but I would be a lip noodle in the water.
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Like, legit like turn into a buoy.
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Tiny, it's the swim part is such a small, it's such a tiny, it's like 10% of the race.
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Okay, but it's the scariest part, especially if you can't swim.
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I totally get it.
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I believe like if you look at an Iron Man, so I did an Iron Man back in like 2009, and the swim, yeah, it's 2.4 miles, but it might take you an hour to do that.
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The bike's 112, so now it's taking you five to six, and then you have to run a marathon.
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So, like, I get it, the swim is far for like those that aren't good at swimming, but it's such a small part, but it's uh always the scariest part for most people who aren't comfortable in the water.
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But yeah, yeah, no, you should.
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I want to do an off-road.
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Gosh, I I haven't thought about that in a long time.
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Well, it would be really good if we both stood next to each other in our really tight outfits.
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I'm sure that would be really you would intimidate people more than I could.
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And then you would just pass me by the time we got halfway through the boat.
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I don't know, my swim would be pretty horrendous, but we'll we'll we'll see how we we'll just have a uh who looks better competition on Instagram.
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And that's really that's the real competition.
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At the end of the day, that's that was really why I started to do CrossHit to begin with.
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And then the older I get, I know I'll be 44 in November.
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And now I'm just like, hey, listen, as long as we go to the neighborhood pool and like I'm I'm good, like that's that's really where I'm at, right?
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Being able to play with my kids still and then not be a travesty on the side of the pool deck for my wife.
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Like I want to be proud of me when I'm walking by.
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Yeah, it's uh you know, we moved to Bonham way up north about three years ago, and so I've kind of just gotten some of the weights that I had, all that kind of stuff, because there's no box up here.
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So I've done a I do wads maybe two times a week, and then I just have some more structured training.
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Again, I mix in a lot of running, a lot of biking, stuff like that.
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But it's been pretty cool to have my wife kind of look at me and be like, I see you.
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Like she's literally like, You're getting I'm 170, 175 pounds.
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So when like I look a little bit bigger, this there's let's put some context to that.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right, you know, but still, it is nice.
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It that that's the best.
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Like that's the best.
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When when it's like, hey, I see that.
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Like, yeah, I recognize them like yes, yeah, and it just helps a little bit more.
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It's like, okay, like I get it.
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Like, yeah, like I can do more, I can enjoy life more.
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But at the same time, if my wife looks likes looking at me naked just a little bit more, like that probably makes a lot more of life a little bit easier.
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I'm a huge words of affirmation guy in the love language department.
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So, like, if you just like pat me on the butt and be like, hey, you that like that suit looks good on you, I'm like, I I'll that you carry me for a month on just one of those.
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I love that.
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So you you brought up you getting into CrossFit.
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Now, the interviews that I've watched, you literally were like, bro, what have you been doing?
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You look great.
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And it was like, uh, you know, so you started doing that, you realize, wow, this is nice, you got into the games and stuff like that.
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But one of the things that I haven't actually heard, and I might have just missed it, is like, how did Captain America become a thing?
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Did you just start wearing fun shorts and then you found fun socks, and then all of a sudden you had the awkward arm sleeve?
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The arm sleeves are the best.
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Thank you.
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Those pigs I still have them.
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Yeah, your Instagram where you're on the rings, I think right in the middle of a muscle up, maybe.
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Oh my like you're like, okay, guys, I don't mind showing you anything except my arms or my calves.
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After that, you can look at all of me.
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That's great.
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Yeah, I uh that was 2013.
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It was the 30 burst burpee muscle ups for time.
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And that you know, that was like when you if you do a lot of muscle-ups, you start like rubbing your biceps a little bit on the straps.
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I was like, well, I'll wear these because it's they're totally functional.
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It's like they're not functional at all, right?
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They are like that was purely aesthetics for the reasons of which I just loved uh of wearing that.
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But yes or pictures exactly like that, 13 years later.
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Like they look great, still shots.
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Um, but a part of that too was like, dude, you can't you can't be dressing up like that and just like get your ass kicked, too.
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So there were there was an element of that.
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So that that kind of ties into the story is that like I've always loved Captain America as a superhero just because of everything that he embodied and that whole thing.
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Like it was so far beyond um just like the superpowers because it was like, hey, little guy then became big guy, but like he he still operated as a superhero as if he was the little guy because it didn't for really forget like where he came from.
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And like that whole tie-in.
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So I've always, always loved him.
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And I loved him so much that my brother, for my birthday, I don't know, probably in like 2000, 2008, maybe, he had bought me a Captain America t-shirt, but it was like a bust version of it, so it had like fake muscles.
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The way it was like, and I was like, oh, this is cool.
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Like, I don't have muscles, so yeah, might as well wear a it was it was the original muscle tee, but it was just painted on kind of a deal.
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And so now it's 2009.
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I've been doing CrossFit for about six months or so, and my buddies were like, hey, we're gonna go down to Houston.
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Uh I live in Dallas.
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So it was like, hey, we're gonna go down to Houston and we're gonna do this uh event called Oktoberfest or obliteration.
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I was like, have fun.
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Because I was in the camp of like, I was still learning, I was nowhere where I wanted to be physically.
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Um, just because there's so many other guys that were fitter than me in the gym, stronger than me in the gym.
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Like, I had a great endurance base and endurance background.
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Gymnastics were okay for me, but I was still learning how to do like butterfly pull-ups or toast to bar, and like all these things were foreign to me.
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And lifting was like, I'd never lifted truly before until I started doing CrossFit.
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I was like, hey, we're doing it.
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I was like, all right, it's like you should sign up.
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Like, no, I'm not doing that.
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And then two weeks later, like, hey, guess what?
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We signed you up for this, so you're coming with us.
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And I'm like, oh, all right, fine.
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So and I didn't even have I mean, you remember when we first joined Across the Gym and everybody's wearing the CrossFit Gym t-shirts that they all got because they'd been there for a while, but they ran out of them.
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So you're just kind of like sitting there waiting for them to buy, yeah, waiting for them to make new ones.
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So I think I had one at the time.
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Because I don't, again, I've only been doing it really for about six to eight months, like legitimately.
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And so I go down, I pack my CrossFit Dallas Central t-shirt, but then I also packed this Captain America t-shirt.
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I don't know why I brought it.
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I have no idea why, because I've never I've never once made it a thing.
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I'm like, this is just my favorite superhero.
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Not once did I ever like mention why or what like nobody knew this because why why that would be a really weird thing to just like bring up, right?
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It's like hey, call me Captain America, please.
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Yeah, guys, you know my favorite superhero is Captain America, like of all time.
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Like I didn't have American flag shorts, I didn't have the socks, I didn't have the arm sleeve, I didn't have anything.
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I just had this one t-shirt, and for some reason I brought it.
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I don't remember why I did or for what purpose, but I was like, let's just let's just do it.
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And so we're at the competition, and by the time the final comes around, no idea why.
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And it's like a day and a half.
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I was like, I was in first place going into the final event.
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I was like, oh my gosh, now what do I do?
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Like, this wasn't supposed to happen.
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Part of me was like, what are you guys doing?
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Like, what how are you letting me be in this position?
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And it was really close.
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So I was I I like to change, I do like to put on like a new outfit.
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Like, hey, for this event, it's gonna be all uh all black or whatever.
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Like I like to dress to match and color coordinate just because like in sports, it's like you wore, like when I played, like not when I swam, obviously you have a Speedo, right?
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Or when I did water polo, the only thing you had was the headgear.
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But when I was playing football, basketball, baseball, soccer, I did all of those things until I finally figured out what I wanted to do in like high school.
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Like we had team jerseys.
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So it's like I want to feel like I am I'm have my own jersey for whatever event I'm doing.
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So I'm going into final, and so I'm sitting there, I'm sitting there by myself.
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This sounds so dramatic.
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Like, just sitting there by myself, and I was like, all right, Chase, you have a choice to make.
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You can either wear because I was like, I'm in first, I would love to win.
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It'll be kind of embarrassing if I lose at this point.
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Well, for whatever.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.839
Like, no one's putting any pressure on me.
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.599
This is purely just putting on myself.
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:43.920
So I had like Dallas Central CrossFit shirt in my left hand, Captain America shirt in my right hand.
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.599
And I was like, man, you know what?
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:57.519
If I if I if I wear this CrossFit shirt and I lose, like no one's gonna remember, no one's gonna care because I'm just a guy out here competing that nobody knows.
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.440
There's nothing on the line here.
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.880
I'm a nobody just out here working out.
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:08.720
So, yeah, I want to win, but if I if I think I'm gonna lose, maybe I just wear the crossfit shirt.
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:15.839
Because if you put this Captain America shirt on right now, like talking to myself, you better win.
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:24.160
Because you cannot go out there dressed as Captain America and lose this event.
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.759
And so that was the choice.
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.920
I sat there for way too long.
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.359
I was like, That's insane.
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:30.240
But I get it.
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.519
What am I gonna do?
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.960
I was like, you know what?
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:34.480
I'm going for it.
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.400
I'm putting the Captain America shirt on.
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.599
So I go out there, the Captain America shirt and everyone are like, what are you wearing?
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:41.920
I was like, but don't worry about it.
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.200
I'm in it, I'm in a I'm in a mental place right now, okay?
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:46.240
I'm locked in.
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.000
I I have committed myself.
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.799
I'm putting this shirt on and I'm going to go win this event.
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:59.279
Because if I don't, I'm gonna be so embarrassed that I'm I'm Comic-Con fitness guy who just got his ass kicked in the final event, thinking he's Captain America.
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.960
Like, there was a lot of there's a lot of pressure I just put on myself.
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.160
And that nobody like this is in the middle of nowhere Houston.
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.720
Nobody knows this.
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.079
Like, this is just a local event that some of us heard through the gatevine.
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:13.039
Nobody's there.
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:14.240
So I do it.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.680
Long story short, I go out and I beat everybody in the final by minutes.
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.920
Like it wasn't even close.
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:39.440
And so now, like, we're doing the awards ceremony, and I'm I'm like, we're all wearing what we just wore in the final, and I'm sitting there in a Captain America shirt, and they're like, hey, third place this guy, second place this guy, and they go, first place, Captain America.
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:41.759
Not Chase Ingram.
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.799
Like the the event goes Captain America.
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.400
I was like, oh shit, like I did it.
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.759
So and like again, it it would have been like a local comp where you're at.
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:03.599
But at the time in 2009, CrossFit's media was a bit kind of like it is now.
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:12.400
They just had people out there in the space that were making content and just giving it to CrossFit and see if CrossFit would use and just give them like a contractor fee.
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:20.000
Well, at the time in Houston, there was a small little fitness media company getting built called SickFit.
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.320
I don't know if you remember SickFit.
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:22.800
Yeah.
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:23.920
Throw back.
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:24.400
Yeah.
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:30.000
Right, but it's like Webb Smith, Jeremy Teal is a part of this a little bit, right?
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:42.480
And what they were doing while we were there, and nobody knew is like they were basically making a weekend montage mini doc thing, and then we're giving it to CrossFit.
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.599
So they had that all on film.
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:55.760
They had me competing, they had the the podium, they had the hey Captain America, and then Crossett got that and then took it from there.
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.519
So not once was like, call me this.
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.280
They called me this.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:20.159
Like it so if you find, and it's hard to find now because all of these are like when I was competing in my heyday, which is like 2000, 2009 and 2014-ish, any article written about me for the games season, never did they use my name and the title.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:21.039
That's crazy.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:26.559
It's always like Captain America, and so that's that's how it started, and like I didn't hate it.
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:32.559
I was like, all right, I'm gonna I'm leaning into this because this is like like I've always wanted to be a superhero, right?
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.159
I've I've never grown out of it.
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.119
I've I've even my son is like, Dad, are superheroes real?
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.760
I'm like, Yeah, dude, totally real.
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:49.840
And it was funny, is like my wife would be because like you would be at events and people like, hey Cap, like, oh man, this is the coolest, this is the coolest thing.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:57.840
I'm like a 12-year-old boy all over again, and my wife would be like, Don't you think it's weird that nobody knows your real name?
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.239
I'm like, weird, this is the coolest shit that ever happened to me.
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.880
You mean like an alter ego?
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.800
Yeah, that's how that's how it all started.
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.320
It was this like little decision I made before uh a final event in the middle of nowhere Houston, Texas.
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.480
But then it just caught and ran, and it's been cool.
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:34.960
And and even now, like it comes up in certain things to where like I'll be around with my son like at a CrossFit event now, because like if I'm not competing, right, which I don't really compete anymore, but like I'll I still love to watch and go and and be all these things, and people will come up and still say that to me.
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.559
And he's like, Wait, are you are you Captain America?
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.599
I was like, Well secretly Captain America in this little world called CrossFit.
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.559
Your dad is, and he's like, I'm telling everybody, it's like, please don't.
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.440
So we'll be in like carpool, and I've got like four of his buddies that were taking him to a football game or something where we're gonna coach.
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:56.800
He's like, Guys, guess who my dad is?
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.840
Like, stop, they will make fun of you.
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.320
I'm doing you a favor.
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.920
This is our secret.
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.199
Okay, it's been really cool, man.
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.079
It's been very I mean, like, I've got just like I've got coasters here on my desk.
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.800
Like, it's uh I love it.
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.480
It's a it's a it's a fun thing.
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:18.239
Yeah, that's absolutely amazing.
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:25.440
My story is not as fun as yours, but something in there where you know everybody called you Captain America, and something crazy happened in college.
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.360
So I got the nickname Woody in high in high school, like my freshman year.
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:30.960
So that would have been like 97, right?
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.039
And that was right around when Toy Story came out.
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.079
Two separate reasons.
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:39.039
You can think about a pre-probescent boy and why someone might get the nickname Woody, you're probably on track.
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:39.440
Okay.
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:46.400
And then, but then Toy Story comes out, and so so I kind of did the same thing.
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:54.079
Like when that came out, like every Halloween, I just would go buy a kid's um, you know, Woody costume and shrink into it.
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.800
So it was like this like super funny, okay.
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:01.840
But I that nickname just carried with me because right around that time, bulletin board systems come out.
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.599
So now you got to have an online name, and my thing was like Woody and some other, you know.
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.199
So then the digital Woody just starts carrying with me.
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:16.159
So I'm in college, and there is a girl that we wind up talking to, and she's friends with somebody I had dated, all that kinds of weird stuff.
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:23.199
She had never met Woody, but she'd always heard people refer to this person named Woody, but she knew me as Brian.
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:32.400
And one night we're sitting down, like at a bar or something drinking like that, and somebody calls up and calls me Woody and starts talking, and she just looks at me like jaw drops on the floor.
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.639
And she goes, You're Woody?
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.880
I'm like, Yeah, what do you mean?
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.559
She goes, I thought you were Brian.
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:39.760
I am Brian.
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:40.960
Like, wait.
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.079
And she's like, This Woody that I've heard about for like four years of college, you're him?
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.800
I was like, I mean, maybe you like tell me some of the stories.
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:50.000
And I was like, Yeah, that's me.
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:56.719
Like, somehow in the weirdest realm, like she knew me as Brian, never told me Woody, like somehow, you know what I mean?
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:03.679
And it was just like all of a sudden we're drinking, and somebody it's like, I just, it's like when you call my like everybody calls you Captain America, it's like everybody just called me Woody.
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:04.559
Like, I was just Woody.
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.079
And all of a sudden, somehow she to me, you know, I was Brian to her.
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:09.679
Like it was the weirdest thing.
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.280
But it's interesting how monikers can follow us, and we kind of become that.
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.559
And to your same point, like for the longest time, I just had Toy Story Woody shit everywhere.
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:25.840
Like, it's the like when I reorganized the office, like I literally had to put some of it in different spots.
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.239
You know, I was like, we'll have a little bit more Harry Potter and a little bit more dirt bike stuff.
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.400
Sprinkle it in, it's still there.
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:34.320
Now, all mine's in a box.
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.800
Like, once once I got married and we moved in, she's like, All this can go over here.
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.000
This is your yeah, I'm gonna package your ego up and we're gonna put it right here on the second shelf, okay?
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:48.079
Slowly though, you know, this is my office.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:48.880
No, no.
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.079
My office when you compete in masters, sir.
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:59.199
That's when you're I mean, you like oh, do you have any idea how many people would lose their shit if you just like owned it?
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:05.199
Like, just like bring the arms lead, like the exact outfit from 2013 coming for bastards, baby.
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:17.840
If I ever get a chance to, so I'll be 44 November, which means like 45 would probably be the the uh best opportunity I have to try to make masters uh if I can keep my body in one piece.
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:20.079
Yeah, I'll 100%.
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.840
Like I still have all of it.
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.440
It's like uh so awesome.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.400
It's like when John Wick took all his stuff and just like buried it in his uh garage.
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.960
Like just bring out the sledgehammer.
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.719
I've got this case and all of my all of my things are in there.
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.760
I'll bust them out again.
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.000
See if the elastic is still good in my arm sleeves because that stuff is uh perishable.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:48.400
We just were talking about how long you've kind of been around in the CrossFit space.
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:54.400
You've been watching it for a long time, you were competing in it for a long time, now you've been broadcasting it for a long time, you've been programming, right?
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:56.800
Own an affiliate, all those kinds of things.
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:07.599
Kind of within the games realm, I guess we could say, like from 2007 to this past year, which was 20 years at the games, what do you think has actually changed the most?
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.360
Like, is it the athletes?
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:10.719
Is it the programming?
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:19.119
Is it the way that boxes work to then bring people up into the ecosystem to then air quotes create athletes that then go on for the games?
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:34.159
What do you think that like I look at it like so I I found there's very good parallels between CrossFit's journey through sport and say UFC or MMA.
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:51.679
So when we all first started competing in CrossFit, we had no idea like CrossFit started and it was a training methodology, and then the games came along in 2007, like dot com came online in 2001 and it was just for working out.
00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:24.000
The games came along in 2007 because every day it would be filled with comments of people doing the workout, and you'd see names over and over again, and you see this like Chris Spieler name would be in the comments all the time, and then OPT would be in the comments, and uh like Brett Marshall and um uh Greg Amundsen, and like you'd see all these names and they're like posting every day, and like, okay, well, they're putting their times here in this little chat room under each comment in the in the workout post.
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:36.719
And then, you know, Greg Glassman and Dave Castro were like, hey, let's let's invite these people that apparently do these workouts all the time and see if they're real kind of a deal, right?
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.480
It's like, is this really your time?
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:40.079
Are you really this good at it?
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.000
And like, hey, let's just see what happens.
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:51.280
So so that's where the like that's where the games really got started is like, hey, let's just bring all these people who do this all the time and then just give them some workouts and just see who the fittest person is.
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.840
And and that that's how it got started.
00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:16.159
But what I mean that the parallels between like say MMA and CrossFit is that from say 2007 in the competition scene until maybe I would say I look at it as like we have three generations or iterations of like games um athletes.
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:17.119
Right.
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:24.400
So you got the the new generation, which is like the 2007 to 2012, where we're all converted athletes.
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:25.599
Right.
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:38.320
So most of the people who did CrossFit and were successful were ex-collegiate professional athletes, and they just found a new outlet for that competitive nature or that athleticism.
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:45.039
Now there's a big difference between fitness and athletics, but if you're naturally athletic, you can pick up CrossFit pretty easily.
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:52.239
And if you can pick it up pretty easily back in 2007, you can get good really quick because those that can't pick it up will not be as fit as you yet.
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.559
And so that was kind of MMA, right?
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.880
MMA, when it first started, it was you know like mixed martial arts.
00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.840
Well, that's CrossFit.
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.480
It's mixed fitness.
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:13.440
Well, mixed martial arts is like, okay, I was a wrestler in college, but I need to start learning how to be a striker or to box.
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.800
Or I was a boxer striker.
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.559
I need to learn how to do jujitsu or groundwork.
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:25.840
And so early MMAs is like, hey, this guy, this guy's a really good striker, but if you get on the ground, you can get him.
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:32.000
Or this guy's really good on the ground, but if you stand toe to toe, like everyone had like a weakness.
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.880
And so that was kind of MMA when it first started, and that's how CrossFit first started.
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.360
And now you've got now MMA's changed.
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:40.320
Now it's a thing.
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.480
Like they train for all of it.
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:43.920
They're good at all of it.
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:49.519
They can go to the ground, they can grapple, they can strike, they can, you know, they can moy tie.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.039
Like that's MMA now.
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:57.519
They're good at everything because now you've got kids who've been doing it since they were 10 and not converts of, oh, I used to wrestle all the time.
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.599
Now I don't have to learn this skill when I'm 25.
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.519
That was CrossFit then, right?
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.559
They were just people who were fit, but ex-athletes and never did it.
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.960
Now you've got like the James Sprakes and Dallin Peppers.
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:11.039
These guys have been doing it for 10, 12 years and they're 22, 24.
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.760
So that's that's been the evolution of it.
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:27.920
And what I noticed is that like Gen 1 CrossFit, I would say 2007 to 2012 to 13, where it was just like old school guys just trying to be fit, and usually they were the coaches and owners because they had the most time and access to training.
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:36.639
And then became, then came like the professionalization, like the Gen 2, like the Matt Frasers, right?
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:46.719
The Brent Facowski's, the pet like that generation where it's like, hey, now we're not going to do, we can't just do like the general group class and be successful the games.
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:56.159
We're almost removing ourselves from the community, isolating ourselves in a corner or in a camp from like 2014 to 2021, 2022.
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:02.559
And then you have this third generation of athletes that are if if they're like a good blend of the two.
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.840
Because from 2007 to 2012, like it was a huge community like attachment to the athletes.
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:23.760
And then it became really professional because these athletes were like, they they left CrossFit gyms, went into camps, or went into isolation and did their own training and didn't post because they didn't want to share secrets or and now this gen three is the opposite.
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.639
Like, yeah, they might be in training camps, but they're in an affiliate.
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.679
And maybe one of their workouts is with a group class.
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:38.639
Or now I mean you got guys like James Sprague, who is like really involved with an affiliate and getting his level one and level two.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.800
And now there's there's podcasts with guys, there's podcasts with girls.
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.639
Everyone's way more open and accessible, which is what we wanted to begin with.
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:54.320
Like you this isn't this isn't as isolated and professional as it needs to be, because it's not like any other sport.
00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:00.880
Um, so that's where I've seen this phase of athletes and the games come into that.
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.960
Because in that Gen 2 phase, yeah, we had a lot of growth.
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.039
2018 was probably peak in terms of that growth.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:18.000
But I felt like everyone is so hyper focused on professionalizing the sport, they forgot like it, this isn't like Major League Baseball.
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:19.920
This isn't like the NFL.
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:28.559
And even though, like, with their best intentions to try to make it a more legitimate sport, they made it less of a fun thing to everybody participate in.
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:36.159
And like that separation between athlete and community really put a major gap between the fan base and the athletes.
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.480
And I feel like that's now coming back a little bit more.
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:39.840
They're more accessible.
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.280
It's it's I think they're they've figured out a way to kind of have a good blend of the two.
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.440
Do you think, or I guess the better question is how much does mindset play into this?
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:56.000
When it comes to dirt bikes, I talk about the the bike body mind.
00:47:56.159 --> 00:48:03.199
You know, that you you obviously have to have technical aptitude on the bike, but your body has to be fit enough to be able to be capable of the type of racing that you're doing.
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.960
But the mind is a huge part of it.
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.679
It is literally the thing that controls all parts of this.
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:15.119
But I've haven't heard a lot of people talk about the mindset of CrossFit athletes or these competitive uh, you know, fitness athletes.
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:27.679
Um, and and what have you seen or heard evolution of kind of the way that these athletes are either thinking about themselves or the way that they're kind of attacking the pressure, as you referred to it earlier?
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:35.679
I mean, that's a good question because like CrossFit is so, I mean, obviously it's so physically demanding, right?
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.840
Because the machine that we're using is our own body, right?
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.199
Like unless it's the year of the machines that somebody called out, right?
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.199
Then it is a lot of machines.
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:52.480
And and there, I would say like their mentality is a big thing too, because this thing that I'm using, I'm not feeling this, right?
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.880
I'm not feeling the dirt bike, right?
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.559
So I do have to be mentally locked in and focused on the little details, right?
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:05.119
Physically, I'm getting tired because it takes a high demand of just staying on the bike, the turns, the jumps, and and and that control.
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:16.719
But you think about like indie car racing, like it is a massive stress on the body, but your brain, I cannot like it has to be much by the end of a race like that.
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:35.599
And so CrossFit, yeah, there is a huge mental component, but I think because it is so physically demanding, it's it's not as much of a stress on the psychology during the event, but it's the things between the events where that psychology really needs to be locked in.
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:42.159
Because once you get out onto the competition floor, like you're you're you're almost automatically locked in.
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:53.440
Unless you are psyching yourself out mentally in a certain degree, just like you're just a head case when it comes to competition, which I used to be uh in college, especially, um, totally flipped once I started doing CrossFit.
00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.960
And that might just be more of a confidence thing in terms of your training, because I think if you're ill-prepared physically, mentally like there is no catching up.
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:13.519
There is like so I think athletes, CrossFit athletes in particular, are so confident physically that it's almost easier mentally to go out there and perform.
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:18.719
Now, if you're not, if you're hurt, that's a mental game you have to play.
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:26.880
If you realize that you are ill-prepared for what's about to happen, now the mental game is going to come in there a little bit more while you're competing.
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.639
But I think it's those times in between.
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.920
Did I have a bad event?
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:35.360
How do I how do I assess my performance, let it go, and move on to the next one?
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.840
Uh I'm looking at the leaderboard, I'm I'm looking at what other people do, I'm watching them warm up.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.639
Like the that mental game, I think, between the events is really where the athletes have a lot of room to grow.
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:58.320
And having coaches there that can walk them through it, and you can almost let your own like there's only so much you can control.
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.760
So that control versus not control is like give it to your coach, right?
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:03.840
Give it to your training partner, right?
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.760
You can't take it on yourself.
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:22.239
And this might just mean my own personal experience is that in the event, I'm more so focused on executing a plan than I am like mentally trying to lock in effort-wise in a sense.
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:22.960
Yeah.
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:36.000
Do you while you were talking, one of the things that came to mind is that say that race that's coming down, and they've got X amount of deadlifts, they've got X amount of power tweens, X amount of snatches right there at the end, and they're like, I gotta hang on.
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.519
I can't put the bar down, right?
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:46.480
And there's that like that mental thought of I don't know if I can keep going, but I have to keep going.
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:57.280
Like, yeah, it what is it there potentially from athletes you've talked to that it's like I'm strong enough mentally to not put it down versus damn it, I put it down.
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:58.159
Yeah.
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:16.800
Man, that one's so interesting because it's like um the body's always capable of more, but it's the brain that gets in the way most of the time, just because the way the body feels.
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:23.679
Because the way the body feels isn't is more the precession, the way the brain is is operating in the moment.
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.760
It's like, yep, everything hurts.
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:40.480
This feels heavy, but if I can just turn my brain off and just let the body work, it's almost the opposite because at the end of the day, it's like, hey, we've got 10 hang squat cleans at 225 to finish this.
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.960
I'm totally smoked, but I'm gonna just try to hang on to begin with.
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:48.320
And at the end of the day, your mind will not lift that bar if your body's incapable of doing it.
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.239
Like you either can do it or you can't do it.
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.880
So, like, in a sense, it's almost like turn the brain off, let the body work.
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.760
You're either gonna make 10 or that bar is coming down.
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.199
But I want my body to make that choice, not my brain.
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:09.440
And if it's and that's so hard because it's like even like myself, like you're like, okay, I gotta get 20 wall balls or whatever the number is, but I'm gonna do things of 20.
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.360
And then it's like when you like feel that 16, you're like, I don't know, man.
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.920
Yeah, but you you have to understand, I think it's like that's the mental toughness.
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:18.639
It's like, you know what?
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:20.000
Okay, cool, I'm gonna go one more.
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.079
And then you just prove to yourself that when your body said you need to stop, you didn't.
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.639
And then the next time you go, okay, well, I'm going for 18.
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.079
And it's kind of like all of a sudden you're at 20 because you're like, Well, that was two more.
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.280
Like, what am I doing here?
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:36.639
And then you start to make those connective tissue appear that it's like it's gonna tell me to stop.
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.480
I probably have more in the tank.
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:41.199
Or I think to what you said, you have more in the tank.
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:41.599
Right.
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.639
And if you don't, then your body will tell you, right?
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:45.760
Like it will happen.
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:46.960
You will not be able to do it.
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.960
In CrossFit, you have to tell your brain to shut up.
00:53:51.519 --> 00:54:10.639
I think is and that's and that's where most um like physically demanding sports, like any any type of like race, swimming, endurance race, like all of that, where you have you have time to think, that is where you kind of get into those things.
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:17.679
And really, like the brain in CrossFit, it needs to be focused on execution of game plan, strategy, and what's happening around you.
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:26.880
Because that that's where the brain needs to be hyper-focused on when it comes to like just how you're feeling and keep moving, like you gotta, you have to like turn it off.
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:28.559
Because so interesting.
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.960
My brain is not going to lift this deadlift, right?
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:42.800
My only my body is case, like I can want to do this all like this has been my mo since the beginning is like I want to lift this 315.
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.360
Physically, I'm just terrible at it, right?
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:51.360
So, no, no amount of want to or mental fortitude is gonna get this bar off the ground.
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.360
And and that's the that's a different thing.
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:58.639
And and think of it like weights don't care about your brain, neither do skills.
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:08.719
The only thing that your brain really has an effect on is your ability to just keep moving, more in the space of like lighter weights, higher reps, endurance.
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.800
Whereas like my brain isn't gonna help my handstand walk if I'm just terrible at it.
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.960
Your brain might help your handstand walk if you're nervous about it.
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.239
There's the other thing, it's like, I'll have to go unbroken, right?
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.159
It's like all right, I lock in.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.599
But it's it's a funny thing with the mental part of that.
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.199
It's almost like you have to turn it on for certain times and turn it off for certain times.
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:35.920
And knowing when to do that is also important uh for an athlete, too.
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:36.639
Yeah.
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.480
Well, we're coming to the end of our time.
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.079
I've got two more questions for you.
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:50.400
When it comes to health and longevity are big buzzwords, buzzwords, but but I like the fact that they're big buzzwords because they actually like wellness feels ubiquitous, right?
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:58.239
But like health, health span or longevity, me, I'm like, I want to walk into my 90s, and that's where I put those buckets, right?
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:03.920
Like, is that and so I kind of like do you think that people can use CrossFit to get to that point, right?
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:15.760
To have a healthy lifespan and longevity, and if so, like how do you see people leveraging CrossFit methodology in that way versus I think coming to athletes that we've talked about so much?
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.639
Well, and when you think about like athletes, it's like sports is only going to take you so far physically until like like it's so so niche, right?
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.920
But like fitness is forever, right?
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:30.079
Fitness is forever, it's infinitely scalable, it varies by degree, not kind.
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.880
Like that's our that's our big buzzword or or or line when it comes across it, is like we can all do this.
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.400
Everyone can.
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:44.159
I might be doing pull-ups, you might be doing ring rows, but we're all getting the same work done in the same way.
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:45.519
And that's the coolest part.
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.119
And the importance of that when you think health and longevity from a standpoint is, oh, I want to walk into my 90s.
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:55.280
Like that's the that's the right mentality because a lot of people is like, oh, I want to live to 100.
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.639
I'm like, yes, but how are you living to a hundred?
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.719
Like what what what like I don't want to live to a hundred if I'm in a wheelchair?
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.360
I don't like I have no desire to do that.
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:10.559
I do not want to live to a hundred and not be able to take care of myself physically.
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.119
Like, that's not the hundred that I want.
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:16.079
I want to be totally independent by the time I'm 100.
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.119
All right, what does that look like?
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:18.000
What are you gonna have to do?
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:28.559
It's like, well, I have to be strong enough to take care of myself physically, and I have to be able to just like move in in the most basic form that I can.
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.039
It's like I gotta be able to get up out of bed, get up off the toilet, get up off the ground if I fall.
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:33.599
Right?
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.239
And those are those are like the big threes.
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:41.199
Because if I can't do any of those, I'm gonna have to be like, I'm gonna have to have assistance.
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.119
I'll fall and I can't get up, right?
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:43.360
Right.
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:58.000
Now, like I see this with my grandparents or older clients that I train, is that having like lean muscle mass is is the golden ticket to longevity.
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:04.719
Because as you get older, you will like you just waste away slowly.
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.920
That's just life.
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.119
That's how it happens.
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:18.800
With our body, such a huge, and we say this in like the sickness, wellness, fitness continuum is you have to have such a huge hedge against life for as long as you can, right?
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:27.599
So it's like lifting weights, building lean muscle mass, like having like having fat on your body is okay to a certain percentage of degree.
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:33.760
Like that's a that's a really important part of just like the the fuel that fuels the machine, that is the body.
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:38.639
And so setting yourself up for the long game is what we should be doing now.
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.239
But the beauty of Cross It is like anyone can do it at any time.
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.400
We lift, we move, we move functionally, right?
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:54.559
We like our functional movements are bringing our joints to their end, like squatting and standing to be able to do that forever.
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:06.559
Like most people's problem physically is they don't have enough muscle to like support their body structure, they don't move around enough to like keep their joints happy, healthy, and youthful.
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.320
Like it's a if it's a use it or lose it kind of a deal.
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.400
And and so now like the best time to start cross it was yesterday.
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.760
And and it's such it's such a simple thing.
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:33.920
And when you would just like look at an older generation, it's like the most problems they have are totally physical, totally physically like it's like, hey, uh shoot, my grandfather, my grandfather uh fell down in his home like a week ago.
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:39.360
I was talking to my mom about it, and he couldn't get up off the ground, right?
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:48.800
And so, like that stuff is a very sobering thing to see as someone who's in their 40s, like 40s I thought was a death sentence when I was 10.
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:49.519
Right.
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.559
40s is different now, which is cool, right?
00:59:53.199 --> 01:00:02.320
And so now I look at it as like, okay, I don't need to like I'm just doing everything to just like keep this as long as I can forever.
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:19.679
Because I know moving my body to its full end range of motions, whether it's upper body, lower body, hinging, squatting, flexing, lifting heavy weights, keep that muscle mass, and just like con like that's why CrossFit isn't just like the thing that I do.
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.719
Like it's it's like part of me.
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.000
If I don't do like I'm not just doing this to like when I first started, was well, I just want to look good naked.
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.599
I mean, I still do, like, who doesn't?
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:32.480
Come on.
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:34.880
Let's let's be real.
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:36.480
Noni's like, you know what?
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.159
I would like to, I would like to look like a melted snow cone for the rest of my life.
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.360
It's like, no, I don't I don't want to look like that, right?
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:55.440
But the functionality that I have is like to be able to now I've got like kids, my kids are eight and six, and they're playing all kinds of sports, and that they're getting into their own is like being able to do anything I want with them at any time for as long as I could.
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:00.000
And I think people say this all the time, it's like, oh, I I want to be here for my kids' kids.
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.360
It's like, no, I want to be here for my kids' kids' kids.
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:04.239
Right.
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:17.360
The fact that like my kids get to hang out with like my grandparents, it's like rarely did I know my great-grandmother or grandfather, right?
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:24.639
I knew them when I was like three or four, but like my kids have gotten years with my grandparents.
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.559
That's awesome, and what a cool thing because I think about this all the time.
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:33.519
It's like when I my parents could like watch my kids when they were really little, like what a that was such a treat.
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:46.320
Because I I had friends who's they couldn't trust their kids with their parents, their parents, not their grandparents with their parents, but like, man, I want to be here, I want to see great grandbabies, right?
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.039
And I want to be like there present.
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.159
I don't want anybody to worry about me ever, right?
01:01:52.239 --> 01:02:00.400
And if I do, it's because I did something stupid, trying to be a like a barbell hero when I just need to right, I don't need to do that anymore.
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.039
I've got an ego, but in that department, it has definitely uh come around.
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:05.840
So yeah, that's it.
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.119
It's it's boxed up in the closet with the Captain America stuff, and that's fine.
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:09.920
We'll leave it there for now.
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:11.119
Right.
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:12.880
I crack it open every once in a while.
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:19.039
But yeah, if you want to think about health and longevity and what the most important things are, like CrossFit checks all of those boxes.
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.440
And it's not a maybe, it is what it is.
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.840
Like CrossFit has perfected fitness.
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.880
Like we don't have to, we don't have to prove it anymore.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:28.000
We already did it.
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.000
And so, yeah, moving is better than nothing, right?
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:36.159
Sedentary lifestyle is going to take you to an early grave.
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:40.639
People think it's like, oh, if I don't, if I go out to do CrossFit, it's like maybe I'll get hurt.
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.320
I was like, yeah, maybe.
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:57.039
But you leave your house and it's a maybe every day you get behind a car, you get on the wheel of a car, your chances of getting hurt are way more uh than it is like going to work out for the first time.
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.360
So CrossFit's the answer, man.
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:03.119
That's that's it's couldn't be simpler.
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.159
I love it.
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:05.519
What again?
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.639
We talked about your extremely long journey with CrossFit.
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.280
So what sticks with you the most?
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:19.760
What is that memory that just keeps coming back that you're just like, thank God I have this memory and that is it's with me for the rest of my life?
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:43.679
There's one that it's it's it's more of a theme, not say a a one-off, because it this this theme is changed multiple times, and it's a very it's a very sobering theme for me because I think people generally well people are in two different camps these days.
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:49.920
They either think they're the main character of the story in the world around them, right?
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:54.639
Or they think nobody notices anything about them.
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.199
And then there's kind of like those middle people who are a bit self-aware of the situation, right?
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:13.360
The thing that I've noticed in CrossFit, whether it's being a coach, owning a gym, being on a broadcast or a podcast or anything like this, is that you have no idea the effect you can have on somebody, even when you don't think you are.
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:26.800
And there's been so many times where someone will come up to me that I either coached or did their level one or just met randomly for 30 seconds at the games because they just wanted to say hi.
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.719
And they will bring that to me like 10, 15 years down the road.
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:59.440
And I was like, I am so glad for whatever reason, I either was in a bad mood or I just didn't like present myself in the right way because like that thing stuck with them, and most of those are positive, but man, you you guarantee you as many positive interactions were there that you had no idea that this small chance meeting or class had such a massive effect on them personally.
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.760
The negatives are there for sure, right?
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:12.960
And so that was the thing is that um that was a really it's and it's been like that the whole time, and I think that goes that goes for everyone and any, it's it's not just a cross it thing, right?
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:22.159
And it's um actually I uh I was in church on Sunday, and it's like you have no idea the light that you can share with somebody.
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:27.440
Like we all have right, we all have this light within us, right?
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:34.559
And walking by someone you don't even know, but just like smiling good morning, like you give a little bit of that light.
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.159
Like you have no idea, maybe that person just needed, maybe that person was walking through life and be like, uh nobody noticed me, everybody hates me.
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.760
And then like Brian comes by and smiles and just says good morning.
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:46.639
Total stranger.
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:51.199
You just gave that person a little, like you shared a little bit of your light with that person, right?
01:05:51.599 --> 01:06:01.840
Or you could have just like not opened the door for them, or it's just like that's a that's a big thing to think about all the time, but in CrossFit, it's even more apparent.
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.159
And getting those stories from somebody's like, oh, 15, 20 years ago meant this and this.
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:24.639
I have no recollection, like I do not remember this moment, but they are citing it like line by line, word for word, and just knowing it's like, man, like always, it's like you're always on your toes or or performing is like you have no idea the effect you can have other people.
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:30.719
So, like being conscious of that in a certain way is like, look, we we all there's there's no reason not to be good, right?
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.639
We all have bad days, we all have bad moments.
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.320
I god, I probably have more bad moments than good moments, right?
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:38.400
But like getting those stories is really cool.
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:40.079
It's also really like scary too.
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.440
It's like, damn, what if what if I did the wrong thing at that time?
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:48.719
Like what what this what would this person have been carrying for 15 years?
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:50.320
And I had no idea.
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.840
And so like those moments happen a lot, just because the position I've got to be in, right?
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:57.920
I've owned an affiliate for over a decade.
01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.599
I was on seminar staff for eight years.
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:04.320
Obviously, I'm on broadcast, not really worried about broadcast because like people just listen, right?
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.800
But the in-person things uh has been very sobering.
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:13.760
It's like, man, it's cool to get good stories, but you know that there's bad ones out there.
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.159
Just just like, oh, he just didn't.
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I couldn't think of one.
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It's like, uh, maybe, maybe I was just in a bad mood and I was like, hey, hi, or I didn't even hear him, right?
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And it's like you totally ignored me and I'll never forget it.
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I was like, oh, I'm sorry.
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I don't remember that.
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I also don't remember the positive one either, but it's it's interesting to see what people hold on to.
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Um yeah, in any of those interactions.
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That's uh that's like a totally random thing, but that's one that sticks with me a lot.
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Well, the one thing I will push back on for the broadcast is I actually during the games when I watch it, I have a poster of you on the wall.
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So I am looking at you while I'm listening to you.
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I just want you to make sure, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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I finally made boy band.
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Mr.
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Chasing from Mr.
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Captain America, right?
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I really appreciate your time.
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Thank you for sharing the stories, thank you for sharing your wisdom.
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Your years, literally years.
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We're getting old, bro.
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I'm almost 47 now, so like 50's coming up.
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Like, luckily, the gray is staying away.
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I just really appreciate your time and taking a little bit to share some of that.
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So hopefully we can all have our little nuggets to take away and try to just do a little bit more, be a little bit better in the ways that we kind of move through our life.
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A little better every day.
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That's all we can do.
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Hell yeah, man.
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Well, thank you very much for your time, dude.
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Thank you.
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It's good to see you.
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Huge thank you to Chase Ingram for allowing me to have some of his time so that we can discuss all the fun things that we went through in this second episode of Deepish Conversations.
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Please share with a friend.
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Give it a thumbs up, leave a comment, all of the things.
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If nothing else, we'll see you for the next one.
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Peace.