154 • A Brutal Murder

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello out there, I told you I'd be here every Thursday and I wasn't lying, but sometimes I'll drag something out from like the back catalog, something old, something you've never heard of before, something from the old year of 2022.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Back with Kent Chungus and I were going our own ways from 1159 media and going on to myself to my own patron, him,
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[SPEAKER_01]: on his way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an old episode of Kent, Chuckess and I doing our thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a rent in the brutal realm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can hear brutal on dark topic plus, wherever you can access it, Spotify.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Patreon, Apple Plus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is one that has not been released for the most part outside of Patreon way back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you enjoy, and I'll be back next Thursday with something brand new, just myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But until then, here's an old episode of Dark Tuppet Gallows as we used to call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a few things have changed since then, but a lot of things have stayed the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I as cocked doors like State Paranoid, see you next Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See you in T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, welcome to Dark Top of Gallows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Jack Luna with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a little while I got Ken Chungus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ken Chungus?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So good to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another uplifting story of human redemption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Petaphilia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are slipping, slipping back into our brutal offering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the ones where you and I think really shine together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because of our insensitivity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And complete lack of human empathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you honestly feel like a snout you've been doing this for a while?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Full time and all that that you've lost some of your humanity?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the wrong question, because I know you have humanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've lost some of your, like, the shock factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the shock absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I could read anything anymore and it like shock and it like surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what's sick for me, man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that because of like all this stuff?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the worst?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I think I can use this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can monetize this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that gives me like a positive response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's losing his soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still good stuff here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't much for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He cut his nuts off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I can use this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did what to that eight-year-old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got to see this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a good one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a real good one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got damaged sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then helps to relieve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are covering today, Kent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I first of all, I got to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name for this episode is not Jack Luna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hack tuna, because I lost all my notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had that happen before, and it's...
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[SPEAKER_00]: The closest maybe that I've been to suicide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially been working on it for like two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The worst dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it happened to what episode do you remember, which one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That what it happened to me on the Tansler episode one time, and I remember Marko and you guys like almost in tears like literally so mad my blood pressure was through the roof Because you know you read like two books and you're taking notes the whole time and then that all that's gone It's gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You what happened to me, okay, so the same thing that happened here happened to me a few years ago when I did the leg thing when we went to bear bit over the case right bone breaker Joe Clark
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I did the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm writing on my phone, normally I write in my notes, but I was writing directly to the drive, to Google Drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for whatever reason the connection cut off at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at my notes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I only have the first fucking couple of paragraphs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the best of the notes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the connection stops somehow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I won't make that mistake again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It happened to me again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to what you were saying there, that when it happened to me with a leg thing,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just that I'd lost, you know, all the writing and, you know, all the work that I put into it and all that, I mean, I obviously rewrote it, but it was the time, like the time that I was away from my kids, the time I was away from my girl, I was recalling like, oh, I spent eight hours at one day fucking working on that part, now it's completely gone, so that eight hours where I could have been just hanging out with my family was for nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not devastating and it's not like there's a lack of an upside to it either because It's literally gone and Literally there's nothing to to show you for your work
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can never, you can never do it the same way that you did the first time, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because you don't, you can't recapture emotions and everything you're writing it, especially the way you wrote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, like, when you have like a non-to-fob job, if you're doing something at work, rock, where...
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[SPEAKER_00]: and something that was wrong or you lose something or something breaks or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You still got paid, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing that hurts more than wasted time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it just, uh, I, it happens to me in many forms of my life like gambling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll study a team, I'll study a player, I'll study for fantasy football, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the time comes the game start and immediately my starting quarterback slips in the fucking shower and the pregame warm up and breaks his fucking elbow and he's not in the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just spent like two days, you know, researching this shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the team is fucking gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's devastating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you drinking moonshine again?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm drinking moonshine and water and the lean and cougal summer shanty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, you're gonna have a hangover at noon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you were talking about things going wrong, and then all that work was for nothing with the gambling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a lot of guilt involved at the gambling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's part of gambling is like, really unexpected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's gambling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that'll make you whatnot when a gamble anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you're like, I got to make up for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I get a big win here in a wipe away all these bad feelings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stride away $700.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Onto.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a team, I researched for 15 minutes before the cutoff time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I came in almost last place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kill someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So close to that 100k.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't stock in the boat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did have some winnings on there about $500 on draft Kings, not sponsored, and they post this tournament for $777, and there's 15 minutes left to the cutoff time where I could enter it, and because I had a couple of beers, and because I'm a degenerate gambler, I click on it, enter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in, now I got seven minutes to create a baseball team that is going to be able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I quickly do it and then I'm sitting there and I'm kind of watching and I can't watch it later on the night it's all I'm thinking about it's taking it all my time I came in almost last place Not even close not even fucking close and you know the way that you feel after that is you feel terrible, but the degenerate gambler which I am
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[SPEAKER_01]: picks themselves up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people, they'll just wilt, and they'll say that, I'm never doing that again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A person with a brain or a sensibilities, they're not gambling a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or not gambling a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what makes a gambler is that they'll can, you know, there's another day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll have next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now this is a challenge because I got to make up for that it's pretty sick, dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, here's the problem with gambling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, you, and nor make Donald talk to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, the next time you win $500.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're still...
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[SPEAKER_01]: $277 in the whole or $1,000 yeah yeah man no I know you don't think about that I mean you're on a roll now Yeah, do do you remember recently when Nate Diaz fought Tony Ferguson in the recent UFC and the hums that you might have fight fell out fell out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a team on draft Kings
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually hard for me to talk about and I haven't been thinking about it and that's the gambling mine too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you take that loss, you eat it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of the reason why when I look at people when they get whiny about losing like a $2 or bad or just anything in life or they've taken a loss and they can't get over it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you fucking pussy, you have no idea that lost you've got to put it all on the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get back up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't take it another credit card.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the fight between Nate Diaz and Tony Ferguson, I had Tony Ferguson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cause you hate Nate Diaz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to love him and now I just think he's a mom-ling-fucking moron and everybody loves him And they think to be something that he's actually not in my mind Anyways, so Diaz wins that fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I Look later on at what I would have won if Tony Ferguson had of won that fight $70,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I won $2000
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would have won $70,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you think that something like that, it could ruin you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you even found motivation in gambling and losses?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do it on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's almost like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even in losses, it'd be like, the solution it is is more gambling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I, when I did that $777 tournament the other night, I didn't even think about it, can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even fucking think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, I got 500 there, another 277, I'm in the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And before I knew it, I was clicking the buttons and I was in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have a moment, though, where you were like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something like maybe actually is was there like even a moment of hesitation or anything where no you thought this is a bad idea
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and the same thing happens to me when I say I'm not going to drink today, and then I'm about nine in the morning, I find myself in the vehicle saying, Hey, you guys need anything from the store?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you going to the store?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go check the mail and whatever, and before you know, I'm pulling into the front of the pharmacy, and I got seven Kingcans behind me, and in my mind, I got a person saying, Hey, what the fuck are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't, what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You said you were going to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you're good don't worry about it you'll like it in a minute yeah yeah and if you're picturing or jackbuses alcohol and he said I know he said pharmacy but uh i've seen marcos uh of jackbying from this place and this is the shadyest looking there's a wind out you go into the door
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then there's a like a a standing room only place and a window yeah and it's not like a nice window that the glass is clean i think it was built out of wood yeah it's haunted that windows haunted it's got people's faces
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the imprint, the shadow of heads on either side from the beers being pushed across the table, but it looks like two heads melded into each other, like the bartender and the buyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sort of looks like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Place private in there, 150 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's old, old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna jump in here on the edit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an old episode, but that bar that we're talking about, I was talking about the pharmacy,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an actual pharmacy where I buy beer, a real pharmacy where you can buy beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of went along with Kent when he was talking there about the bar, and it's an old hotel bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly as he described it, it has since burned down and actually burned down that winter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It burned down on Christmas day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend Cam fucking let it and he died in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't light it on purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, but shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you like storytelling, I mean, I'll tell you a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that Cam was gonna die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could tell just by looking at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was something was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had cancer, maybe he or something, but he wouldn't get it checked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just withering away, and we used to play pool a lot in this bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lived out in the back of the bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lived in the bar basically, but in the apartment behind it, and our Christmas Eve is the only one in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a heater, a space here that was too hot, it was like negative 40, that night on Christmas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it lit his wall on fire and he died in that fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had been there just weeks before bringing in beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just show up with beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He drank this beer called club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd show up with some club beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Him and I got in a fight years previous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I first came out here in a man of tuba from Ontario, a three day drive, the story, I mean, I've told it many times before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We came out here to live because it was easier to live out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we fell in love with the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and came and I got in a fist fight and beat him up in a fucking ditch, and then after that, him and I were buddies and I would just show up at his place and I started to get the idea of what his situation was and I would just bring him beers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I brought him beers just two weeks before this fucking place burned down, but anyways, it was so fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to re-here this and hear us talking about that bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brooooooh, you're listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yeah, I mean, you want, and I'll just buy like a few cigarettes off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so I don't buy a pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it reminds me of?
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[SPEAKER_00]: After seeing the videos and everything, it's just like a, uh, uh, it's kind of px on a built up military base overseas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Customers, you go on to, you know, you're out in a smaller base is where you live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes you'll get to go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And on these bigger bases, they have these px's where you just go in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just an assortment of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy a wrench.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a court of oil, and some talent all and some abuse per own for you to pressure and it's well-packed beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it reminded me of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because it's built like a tree house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's smells like piss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people piss in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a hotel up top, right with all the fucking guys who worked the train tracks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They worked the rails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure those are good guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes the cleaning up fucking, you know, puke and blood from the night before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How was your night?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy's name is Vinnie now, who works on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vinnie, of course it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's from Pakistan as name is Vinnie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so it's not like that's fucking thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were Vinny, and he watched a Joe Passing Jet Passing movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm gonna be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like last night, when I was buying the beer for today for the morning, I come in and he's like, hey, man, where you been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been three days, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that long, but he's used to me being there every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't a kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, ah, I was going to get put like, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't a kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good, but he's a weeb on it for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to drink this stuff up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when you know you have a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the liquor store is buying your favorite brand of alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll go bad over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to buy this because nobody else buys it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got it for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they're ordering pallets of booze for one customer, that's when you got, you know, like, okay, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he'll have a list of stuff that he wants to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, Jack wanted a handicap, or he wanted this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got to get him, get him, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How much does he normally drink?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get him eight cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they have a separate order for Jack, when the, when the business has a separate file in their cabinet for Jack, I'm not exaggerating either,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll give me, hey, you like Kingcans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to try this new blue dry?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They guess that the guy said to me this blue is a Canadian beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got blue dry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, how about a percent alcohol is it like 8.7?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's for fucking homeless people, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the really strong beer is for homeless people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's for like drugs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like still reserved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like they want the moths bang for their buck, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want something to taste good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can But anyways, he gave it to me for free and that's that's how good the businesses were like they're like, hey, just try it You know the thrown in thrown in your good customer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tip eat bucks every time I buy a case of beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tip them eat bucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a case of day, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I went on a streak there for about 10 days, not drinking recently, but yeah, before I'd say, I'd say a case, an 18 pack probably every other day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, let's say, be conservative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll say three days a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's $24 a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get tips, and tips, and tips, and tips, which ends up being $98 a month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just in tips, which ends up being about almost $1,200 a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and tips, eh?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just on beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, dude, I tip the lady at Tim Horton's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tip the lady at the grocery store.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tip everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dude, I do the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think they think it's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they expect it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll call it Slide and buy a box that keep a bunch of five dollar bills just a fucking, uh, you know why I do it, man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's the same for you, but the reason I do it is for one so that they treat me, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for two, they're not getting paid enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want for that hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to make $17 an hour or 20 bucks an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me, it's, I remember my mom, uh, whenever I was little, uh, supporting us about working a restaurant called Big Boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I worked there too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Big boys pizza burgers and wings or was it was it pizza?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just burgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the the mascot is out front of all big boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know big boys the thing where he's holding the plate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to have a shared overhauls on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the game guys where I he was asked me to jerk off into the milk bottle and leave it in the in the freezer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's probably typical big boy management.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They changed their logo to save where thickness is an obsession a couple of gay dudes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, go ahead, sorry I just remember mom like working long shifts and depending on tits and I was think about that when I'm tipping Yeah, this could be a single mom trying to raise her kids, you know It's always in the back of my head
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I know we need to go to this episode, but this part of me too, I live my life this way, I try to where I want to lead by example, so I want to show that person that yes, there are generous people in the world and that they do appreciate the work that you do with the guy cleaning my windshield at the gas station or even just somebody seeming to have a bad day at the grocery store.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want them to know that there's people out there that aren't just, you know, going through the motions that they're, they're a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it sparks in them a spirit of generosity themselves in some way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The past that on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the Haley Joe Osmett movie, pay it forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, absolutely good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, it makes things a little bit more special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only five bucks to create an atmosphere in that moment with that person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe make the next hour feel a little bit more light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only cause five bucks to create the kind of special weird moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: surprise somebody me and my wife every year uh... usually about a week and a half two weeks before Christmas mm-hmm we'll go to our restaurant we've been doing it for a while for for about five years now we'll take a hundred fifty two hundred bucks mm-hmm and we'll go to a restaurant like Texas Roadhouse or something and we'll leave that as a tip uh... like a hundred fifty two hundred a tip and that's always one of my favorite parts of Christmas
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make it somebody's day and I wish we could afford to do that all the time, but, you know, you just know that it takes the weight of somebody's shoulders that's stressing because they probably have, it's Christmas time and they're waiting tables and they probably got a kid or two and like they've had to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: got by Christmas gifts and it's like now I got to pay the electric bill and it just feels good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish everybody, I know financially everybody can't do that, but I wish those that that could would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, two bucks, five bucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the thought that counts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to keep going on about this to make myself sound like a great guy, but I mean, dude, all the time, if I see an old person at the grocery store buying the groceries and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, hey, can I get that for you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then be like, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I just want some money on a proline bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can cover that for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll make it seem like it's, you know, one money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll buy old people's groceries whenever I can, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's this awkward situation with being generous, too, where somebody who's not, I mean, most people aren't used to having something be generous with them, whether they're like, what's your angle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just looking at you for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now suddenly you're trying to do a good deed, but you look like an asshole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to serve it up with like, I just want a bunch of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to take away the idea that I'm trying to make myself seem like a good person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to point out that I do it just as much for me as somebody else, because it makes me feel good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for saying that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly the reason I do it, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it is, it is, but I mean, a good kind of selfish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to get into this horrific story?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So on the night of May 4th, 1982, 13-year-old Terry Ryan rushed into his family home in Marston, and that's a suburb of Brisbane, the capital of the state of Queensland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is at Northeastern Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Terry runs home gets inside and he says to his mother that he'd been forced
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[SPEAKER_01]: to sexually assault and torture and murder his best friend Peter Aston, who's also a young teen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Terry says that his friend Peter's body has been buried in a shallow grave in some scrubland and, you know, his mum calls the police and they come and they take their son Terry rides the police station and he tells his story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says what they need to do is they need to drive out to this area called Fox, faux park.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Fox or faux park.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look at the contents of this garbage bin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they also need to look into the public washroom that's there because the guys that had kidnapped him and his buddy had dumped some of the articles of clothing and they'd wash themselves off and there was evidence there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After they collect some of the evidence, Terry, the 13-year-old boy, takes them out to the bush, and it's near the ocean and begins telling them, okay, here's maybe the route that we need to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, down this road, down that road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it happens somewhere, somewhere out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually, as it's getting dark, and these officers are just thinking, like, what the fuck is this kid doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like is he making this shit up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They look at three bush trails, there's no result.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fourth one, they find fresh tire tracks on a sandy surface.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Terry gets all excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, this is it, this is it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the go down this path after about 200 meters, it opens up into a roughly cleared area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says there, in there, he points to, it looks like a little grave there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, it's in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It being his friend Peter asked him the detectives are let along the way down the track they come across this grave-sized man of earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's covered with small tree branches and twigs and they're obviously broken can't from nearby trees they can tell you know yeah hit Terry become so upset at that point he steps back into
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the officers begin to poke at the dirt, and they find, well, they find a kid, but 13 years old, tied up his feet or sticking out of the dirt, and they have themselves a murder on their hands camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like six in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't even had coffee yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some creepy shit happens in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Creepy shit happens everywhere, but there was a long period of time here with the kid where this is out in the middle of fucking nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll get into all the details here, but they just felt like this kid was lying to him and suddenly, no, they got, they got a horrible crime scene and we'll get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter asked
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[SPEAKER_01]: His naked body has been horrifically defiled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was tall, more than six feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this kind of made the discovery, what they're saying here is more a grotesque, because he'd been bent to fit into this hastily dug hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: killer's lazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, uh, and like I said, it's feeder sticking out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're tied up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they look at his body, I mean, it's obvious that he's, he's really, uh, been, he's, he's been tortured here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the detectives notices that there's a matchstick caught in the boy's pubic care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get into the details here, Kenton, and we'll have a little conversation about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, you don't laugh, I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a funny joke that you told me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to interested in how a match stick ends up in the bush with the boy in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I post more of my Peter Aston, perform the other day, shows that he has multiple laceration to the top of his head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's areas of the hair on his head that have been cut short, so wherever I'd killed him here, I'd had cut his hair with a knife, likely with, uh, that's not a knife, I'll show you a knife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a knife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a deep, deep cut to the back of his head and bruising to the left side of his head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a depressed fracture of his skull with underlying brain damage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is one of those situations where, you know, you've been hit with a blunt object and your, your skull does not open up and just dents in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: caves in, caves in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are leather punch marks and bruising on his left ear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you know what a leather punch is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those things they used to for like belts, leather belts like punch holes, correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a three hole punch, but just it's a hand held punch that will punch a hole into leather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to use them in mask making a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this device has been used on the boys' ears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's six holes in his ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just for the listener, it doesn't leave like a puncture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It leaves a hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a portion out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine like taking,
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[SPEAKER_00]: like a tube, a hollow tube and pushing as hard as you can and then it leaves, you know, it takes out like a little divot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will collect the piece of leather in, in the, inside the, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll get, again, hack Luna or hack tuna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling myself for this episode is I'm going to get ahead of myself here, but I want the audience
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[SPEAKER_01]: of ear that was punched out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The six or seven pieces of ear that were punched out of this kid and put them in a little container that he had on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for pills or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To keep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To keep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After making a fucking naki out of this kid, air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This bruising to his mouth as lips as chin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: those last races to his face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a partial dislocation between the second and third cervical vertebrae.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This fractures the vertebrae.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a large stab wound to the right side of his throat and severing of the internal jugular vein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's cigarette burns to the front of his chest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are stab wounds to his left shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'll get ahead of myself here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have tortured this kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How's it gonna say do we know if this was a murder or accidental?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this this is a fucking murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were joking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like I missed that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said this is a murder like come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't get with it
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[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta get with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So accidentally, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I wanted to say is that they've tortured him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whoever has done this, and we'll get to that, they have stabbed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So multiple times with a small knife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fatal wounds came after a long series of torture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just plunging the knife into him in areas that they know won't be fatal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I think that there's not much more, I really, I mean, well, there's bruising to his, his, his left buttock, his scrotum and his penis and hair is missing from his pubic area that has been burned off, um, and also, uh, cut off with a knife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there are stab wounds below the knees and under the toes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know why
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were just, they were stat, like I said, stabbing all these areas that they knew would be not fatal, but very painful, very sadistic torture, murder, I mean, think torture is by design sadistic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: By nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15 more laceration wounds and 14 other types of abrasions, laceration and bruises and
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[SPEAKER_00]: most likely caused by inhalation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll get ahead of this here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been buried alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what will come to find is that, yes, he was inhaling the dirt because he'd been buried alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, one of the perpetrators had stuffed sand into his mouth to try to hurry him along to his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a 13-year-old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The detective says that Peter asked it could, or sorry, the coroner says that Peter asked it could have died from the skull fracture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, due to the sand and his nose, mouth-to-trake, bronchial tract, he said, it was likely that he'd been tortured and then he was buried alive and died of hisphyxiation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, after Terry Ryan, friend of Peter Aston who has just been found in this horrific fashion, after he recovered from the shock revisiting the scene of the death of his best friend, he tells the story of what went down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not long before Peter's death, the two boys had become good friends, Peter Aston and Terry here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They met at the Kingston State School and they also lived near each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, like we mentioned, was a very tall boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He suffered from myopia and were very thick glasses, a very nerdy, type gangly young kid, bullied a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and he had just arrived from Victoria at the school and Peter and Terry befriended him and they started skipping school together
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry told the detectives that he and Peter had skipped school on May 4th, and Peter asked to because of all this bullying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had told Terry that he wanted to hitchhike back to his hometown in Melbourne, and it's not Melbourne.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see, I'm using all these, I've learned from Australian friends of mine that it's Melbourne and Brisbane, not Brisbane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But are it solid?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not Melbourne.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Melbourne.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to be a dick about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think all the ours are silent in the Australian language, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm terrible at actually go easy on the ours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, even if you're like, I'm a stradget.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll stradget on us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe for everybody else, it's a male born, but they just can't say the art.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what about your e-tarts?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wants to go back to Melbourne to join his older brother and he just wants to go home, and just wants to see if he can get back and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry agrees to come with them and go as far as the gold coast and then he'll return back home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what he said about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We met at a place called the Sands at about 830 that morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a place of the bush and it's got sand and a little creek from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went to the nearby lake and played on the Tarzan swings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fuck's the Tarzan swing, can't you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet it's ropes with knots in a series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is continuing the quote from Terrier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At about 1030 AM, we went down to the Kingston Railway Station and caught the train into Brisbane, and got off at the Brunswick Street Station.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went into mires and got some shoes, jeans, the shirt, each.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From there, we caught the train to Woodbridge, and Peter went into a K-Mart and got a carton of windfield 25s, the red ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are cigarettes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying that they went in and bought this stuff, but in reality, they were shoplifting, and they stole all this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from there, they kind of trained at a bean layer, went into a colds, bought a jacket, each stole a jacket, each.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was early afternoon, we walked down to the gold coast highway and started hitchhiking while we walked south.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not far down the hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not far down the highway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We came across a yellow 4WD de Hatsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you familiar with this type of vehicle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a poor will drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like a Jeep?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael, well, 1982.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a yellow 4 by 4 de Hatsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a fairly tip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what the Crocodile Hunter might be riding along
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, like a little G. It's a solid little vehicle though, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do a lot of off-road to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me most like the most closest thing is like a G-o tracker, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a small little G. It's got a solid roof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have like the cloth roof, but yeah, like a little G-o tracker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this thing is sitting on the side of the road with the hood up and this is sorry, this is continuing his quote, and a bloke with his head under the bonnet and another bloke sitting in the passenger seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We asked them if they would give us a lift down to the coast and the bloke under the bonnet, which is the hood, it holds to hop in and that they were leaving now as they had fixed what was wrong with the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure can't if this is a setup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think that they were broken down and he actually yeah, and he did think this was a cram of opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, me too
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[SPEAKER_01]: Continuing the quote, they were both casually dressed in jeans and jumpers and told us that their names were Bob and Paul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's right, Flags.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What the names?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's Bob and Paul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your last name?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul was much younger than Bob, who was driving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Peter got in alongside him, so his buddy Peter, the tall gangly kid who we just fan murdered, gets into the front seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Terry gets in the back next to Paul, who's the younger of the doer that they've run into here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told them that our names were Peter and Terry, and we took off heading south.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once that can't so I got a piss, all right, sorry, but that I had to go take a leak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A can't, this has happened to me before, but I have this piss jug, you're aware of?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very aware of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yellow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You may not contact why you've pissed, why you've been pissed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I was getting prepared for this this morning, like six in the morning, I go on a piss, I start pissing it and I didn't pick it up, I just start pissing right into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's on a table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I'm pissing, I go and I start picking it up, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh my god, I didn't dump it out last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this thing's full and I'm fucking going to the brim here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're in trouble boys, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to start over flowing on me and I can pinch it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I pinch it off and it's right to the brim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I open up my side door and I do my little walk to the area where I dump my piss and I'm really focused on it because I don't want to spill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from behind me, I hear, what the fuck are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was your girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if in that moment when she sees the love of her life, delicately carrying a like a gallon of much of an old old bit of mud bucket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a mud bucket for, um, you know, mudding drywall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, a bucket of piss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and what time was this about 545 in the morning a 545 in the morning and this is the man she's hitched her wagon to Carrying a huge bucket of ps if she had like any thought so like you know like I had dreams and aspirations And yeah, yeah, and this is what I ended up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna see the world
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she almost lived in Australia actually at one point, but now she's here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was pronounced her arms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the boys, they're in this vehicle and they've only been there in a short time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when Paul, the younger of these assailants, produces a rifle from beneath a blanket on the floor in the back, and holds it to Terry's head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry's surviving kid who showed them the body of Peter Astin earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bob, who's driving the older man, pulls the car over to the side of the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're out in the middle of nowhere now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Paul in the back has the gun, and he warns Peter, who's up front, that if he moves, he would make a bullet in the head or the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With that, the men produce handcuffs from their pockets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at gunpoint, they secure both the boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, who's up front, the tall gangly boy, who we found murdered already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to keep up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will his hands, or he's told to put his hands down in front of the front seat, and they handcuff him down underneath the seat, so now he's hunched over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the back, they just handcuff Peter,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they take off again down the highway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry told a detective's quote, they told us that they were police from Miami, which is a suburb, self of a place called surface paradise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we drove off again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After a while, Peter told the men that his hands were getting tired, so Peter, the tall guy up front, the murder victim here, his arms are getting tired, he's having to hold him down below himself in the tight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bob pulls over, right next to a place called Dream World, which is a theme park out there, and undoes the cuffs, and then handcuffs him to the bar, there's a bar on the dashboard in front of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they take off again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though this is what we talked to we agreed that this is a crime of opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is odd that they just despite not having any plans and planning this or anything, how quickly they fail into place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've definitely done this before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, good for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate when people say good for you to me, it makes me fucking feel like a child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But good stuff because you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They won't find, and I get out of my stuff here, they won't find any real evidence these guys had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: been serial, raping, boys and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually they do, but they don't connect it to any known crimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll get to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to do with public care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of an interesting point coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that if me and you, you know, while we were in Wisconsin, if we went out and
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[SPEAKER_00]: We pick up two boys and then suddenly you call an audible on the play and you start handcuffing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be like, okay, we fucking need to pull like we just got to get on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what is let's talk for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to know what the Yeah, and even though they had, you know, this was a crown of opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both on the same page immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so they've talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're prepared if it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they come across a situation, which is a perfect situation here with two boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough, and it's fucking pocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a jackpot for these two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were helping for something this to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you imagine I'm in the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, bro, I bought these handcuffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to fuck these kids and murder them and shit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, no, I'm gonna pull over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not, like I said, I'm not checking out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's like talk, I'm open-minded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's like figure out what's going on, why are we doing this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe, yeah, maybe we'll break the 13 year old kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, man, I don't want to be a party pooper, but you kind of sprung this shit on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were trying to go to Kmart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to get where I was we were going to go fishing in that we're kidnapping murdering and raping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 13 year old is just like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, it's spoken about it before and they'd fantasize together about it and all that and you're correct, we'll get that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, during the drive now at this point, they're going further into the bush, the violence begins to escalate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bob, the old Dirk guy up front, he hits Peter in the head with his hand for no reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's happening here, Kent, is in the back, Paul is jabbing Terry with his rifle and they're just starting to do a little rough housing here, but stroke it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they're like kind of feeding off each other and laughing and like, oh, we're terrorizing these kids now and it's slowly ramping up and with the notes that I lost, I had written kind of a piece on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can really envision that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, you've just been picked up by the scar you're hitchhiking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been quiet for a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like you got a couple of bullies who are like, hey, fuckhead, smack him in the back of the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll handcuff you, but now it's like, oh, you like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Javanom and the ribs and they would check this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boom, it's with the button the back and they're like, they're having a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, at this point, they think they just got picked up by two, like, Todd from BVS and butthead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember Todd?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That must have car and I was having it in their ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just too prick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming back out now, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're putting more episodes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in my head in 2022.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Navigating 2022.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a series?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get checking that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new movie, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they kidnap kids and fuck with them in a vehicle on the way to murdering them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's figure out what it might be like, right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Paul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, check this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave us a butt head, God, dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Burning kids, pubicare, and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The vehicle crosses the border to New South Wales, all the, all the, all the, all the while, uh, these two guys fucking with these kids in the car, terrorizing them, mother handcuffed, when they reach Kingscliff, Bob, who is known as head job, Bob, fucking nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't ever want that guy to pick you up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But these two, we will get to it, but I really feel like I should say that Bob had job Bob the older and his accomplice here in the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul being the younger one, Bob being the older one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They both work at their army barracks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bob is like a corporal and Paul is a private.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they bunk together because Bob is a superior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He makes a point to take in any new recruits into his room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to kind of like, he says it's a way to kind of bring them in and make an easy transition for them into the barracks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but what he's really doing is he's trying to see if he can find somebody to molest or someone who will be a partner in crime with him which is what's happening right now we'll get to more of that later just so you know okay so eventually they come to the spot out in the bush and they stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul gets out he's in the back and he walks around to the other side of the vehicle and drags Terry out and makes him spread his legs apart with his hands
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he fits a pair of thumb cuffs, and man, these will come up in other, like a serial case or two in the past that I've covered, but it's very rare, but their miniature hand cuffs that fit around just the fingers or the thumbs and stare at the wrist, are you familiar with them, can't?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Chinese finger traps, yeah, yeah, the more you pull out of them, the the
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're a little more heinous than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're actual little handcuffs that connect to your thumbs They're made of metal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had a serious drop in internet quality or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, let's just give it a second Yeah, you're still there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard for me to see when you cut out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cutting out like every 10 seconds though 15 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's why I wanted to give this second I'm gonna do something unusual from this point on man I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you right in with me and we're gonna just discuss what I know about the case Okay, this is gonna go on too long and we're gonna cut out over and over again bitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the case are you there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit You there what the fuck is going like I mean it went good for two hours
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me hand a listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll burst through the last of this because it's been a long episode already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I was starting to talk to you there about thumb cups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They put thumb cups on the boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like hand cups, but it's a nasty little contraption that keeps your hands together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And very portable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can keep this along with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you look it up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can keep that in your pocket and no one will know you had like lighter A zip-o And also be good in like a flat like if you put it in your yeah and your hand Keep your keep your fist solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have this bar that we used to pass around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We each other when we wanted to blind some side somebody with the normal hand stuff Yeah, you'll pass me the bar
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not this fuck out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to be in handcuffs than this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they're nasty So for the audience Kent and I are having connect connection issues I think there's something wrong with my internet right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, this is gonna drag out fairly long So I'm gonna give you the complete hack Luna on this situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, are the hack tuna So what happens man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that they they get them out of the vehicle and what happens is that they force
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[SPEAKER_01]: the first Harry to blow Peter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he both in name and right hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here all day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this is the way that I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the way that when I put myself in the mind of the perpetrators, they find Peter asked and to be the more enjoyable to fuck with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we talked about earlier, he's been bullied at school because of his looks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tall, gangly, got glasses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He might be a little whiny, we don't know, I don't want to victim fucking shame here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at a picture of him, you kind of can know the type.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're enjoying bullying this one, and they kind of are starting to like Terry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, they did just force him to blow his buddy, which is fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they sit him down and they just start going to town on Peter Aston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They handcuff him behind his back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Types legs and they start passing back and forth this knife and they're stabbing him and they're beating on him and they take out some kind of flammable spray You take I don't know what it is and they're laying their layer and they're they're torching him
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're lighting cigarettes and they're putting their cigarettes out on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of the shit that we had to hear at the start about how the body looked, this is the stuff that they're doing to them, they're stabbing him in between his toes, they're making him a squeal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're really, they think it's hilarious and they're really enjoying themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to figure something more horrific shit that they did, but I think I said it's also more...
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the reason that I believe they've done this before, because you don't just go from zero to this though in one like there's always a build up right and you could be an aspect of playing off of each other but you clearly have two sadistic characters here who are yeah and it's to it should be said that the younger assailant the perpetrator sort
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to be doing more than head job Bob, the younger guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's trying to show off to Bob how sadistic he can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kicking him so hard that he actually breaks his foot and he has to end up walking around a crushes in some of the days afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they continue with this and a Peter sitting there watching his friend getting tortured like this and sorry not Peter got damn it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Terry is sitting there watching Peter get tortured like this
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter at one point, two points actually gets up even though he's tied up and his legs are tied up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets up and he starts hopping away and they're laughing at him as he's trying to get away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hopping away and they knock him down and they bring him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it sounds like victim-shaming, victim-blame, whatever, but often in situations like this, you will have a person who, unknowingly, is playing into exactly what the perpetrator is want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're squealing a lot, they're begging a lot, they're trying to get away, they're making it very enjoyable for a sadistic predator in the way that they're reacting to what's happening to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The best, I think, would probably be ideally, and I know it's hard, they would probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: for people like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to not react at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's probably why they targeted Peter as opposed to Terry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry's being that he's really, you see interviews of him and a very sweet, easy-going guy it seems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they're saving him at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Terry, Terry sees the writing on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sees right before him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is about
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, hey, guys, can I join in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is fucking street smarts on a level that nobody fucking can understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is unbelievable street smarts do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this kid later on will be chastised for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And brought under, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the the public eye like they're like what the fuck are you serious we're in on this because what he ends up doing is he ends up hitting him with a shovel with a sharpened and he's showing off to these guys hey I'm like you guys I'm just like you I'm enjoying this too this is fucking awesome hey can I hang up with you guys all the time and do shit like this or what again street smart son of fucking unbelievable level unbelievable like the like his buddy Peter is fucking dead he's
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he does what he has to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the only thing he could have done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has to convince them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know this part of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand the outrage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand both sides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the outrage that somebody could, but I also understand the survival instinct kicking in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy's already almost dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I'm next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have one of two routes here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How bad do you want to live?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he could beg for his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's literally probably not going to help him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm sure Peter did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already seen that that route isn't the way to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh, so he goes along and he can do and he convinces them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about head job Bob the older he has a really high IQ It's probably he's so high up in the in their little army In the barrister as a corpola, whatever he is he has like an IQ of like 147 like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm normally high IQ
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's smart about 13 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This kid convinces him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What what is smart about this, too, is as horrific as it is, is that Terry has to them, he's implicated himself as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's just as culpable as they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He might have even dealt some of the death blows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These last iterations on the header from the sharp end of a shovel,
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[SPEAKER_00]: but I think the proof that he was just surviving and not actually wanting to do this is the fact that he went to the police the next morning right away quickly took right and spilled everything I think that that says a lot it does it does and and he's steeply traumatized by the whole situation
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, like I said, connectivity issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got all kinds of issues here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the research, but from my own mind, my memory of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They bury Peter Aston once he dies, once they eventually kill him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry's like one of the boys now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like they're like high five and I'm in shit like that was awesome dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like holy fuck I can't believe we found you here.
56:57.994 --> 57:08.745
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to hook back up again and what they do is they drive him home and he tells him exactly where he lives in the interview that I saw a Terry says I was just so fucked up with the whole thing.
57:08.805 --> 57:19.817
[SPEAKER_01]: I just couldn't even think to make up a place I thought at this point just being completely honest is probably the best route and he did shock Yeah, and they just drove him right to his house dropped him off
57:20.118 --> 57:24.784
[SPEAKER_01]: And said, you know, if you tell anybody about this, we'll do, we'll do to you what we did to Peter.
57:26.025 --> 57:28.869
[SPEAKER_01]: And they leave and they go back to their army barracks.
57:29.850 --> 57:34.616
[SPEAKER_01]: And he immediately, like he said, he goes and he tells his mom and all the stuff that happened in the beginning, they find the body.
57:35.357 --> 57:37.739
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows their names are Bob and Paul.
57:39.141 --> 57:42.345
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all that they have to go on at this time.
57:43.186 --> 58:11.995
[SPEAKER_01]: What happens is Bob and Paul go back to their barracks and they see this shit all over the news and they start to kind of freak out about their names are actually on the news too and just their first names and they kidnap another guy in the barracks to use his vehicle and they get him to drive them a ways away to another town and they're going to
58:12.430 --> 58:18.558
[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy, they don't kill him either, and he goes to the police, and he tells exactly who they are.
58:19.079 --> 58:24.366
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Robert Reed, and Paul Luckman, eventually they catch up to them.
58:24.727 --> 58:34.320
[SPEAKER_01]: They find them again, hack tuna here, and bring them in, and they find that Bob, who's called head job, Bob.
58:35.077 --> 58:36.939
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's very intelligent.
58:36.959 --> 59:02.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's very well spoken and he though as intelligent as he as he's supposed to be He's giving them vibes like he's proud of what has happened here Yes, they did take this kid out there and yes, things got a little bit of a hand But it says buddy who really did all this fucking damage and You need to be looking at him and the other room they're talking to Paul and Paul saying the things the the opposite about Bob He's saying hey, this is an older guy.
59:02.648 --> 59:04.830
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to go along with what he wanted to do
59:05.131 --> 59:09.838
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta tell you, before they caught them, they knew their names, they knew the army barracks that they were at.
59:10.119 --> 59:12.162
[SPEAKER_01]: They went and checked the room that they were sharing together.
59:12.502 --> 59:14.866
[SPEAKER_01]: And they found all the satanic literature.
59:15.407 --> 59:21.015
[SPEAKER_01]: They found all these scrapbooks with men cut out of magazines and posed in weird positions.
59:22.017 --> 59:22.718
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just...
59:22.698 --> 59:27.925
[SPEAKER_01]: like torsos of men with their shirts off in the magazines, 69 each other and all this fucked up ship.
59:28.946 --> 59:49.313
[SPEAKER_01]: They find a book that has about I think it's like 12 satchels of pubic hair with names above each like build W and like Allen T like just names and these are possible past victims who they'd taken some of their pubic hair as trophies.
59:50.069 --> 59:59.386
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't find out who these other people are, they think that it's possible that they just raped these guys, these boys, and they were too embarrassed by what had happened to come forward.
59:59.526 --> 59:59.987
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 80.
01:00:00.628 --> 01:00:01.069
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:01.089 --> 01:00:01.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:01.730 --> 01:00:09.124
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one case of a kid named Bruce to call him young Bruce, and he had been at a nightclub.
01:00:09.104 --> 01:00:11.950
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like 17 years old, I'm not sure about that.
01:00:12.711 --> 01:00:26.860
[SPEAKER_01]: And just days previous to this whole thing happening, he had been picked up in this yellow Jeep and taken by head job Bob and Paul out into the middle of nowhere.
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:45.467
[SPEAKER_01]: And released and said, go running through the scrub, and if we find you, we'll kill you, but if you get loose, you get to keep your life, and they sent this kid running out through the fucking brush, and head job, Bob, and Paul tried to hunt him down with bow and arrows, and they did find him.
01:00:46.488 --> 01:00:51.235
[SPEAKER_01]: He had asthma, and he ran in a breath, and they found him, and they felt sorry for him.
01:00:51.255 --> 01:00:56.222
[SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't kill him, and they just brought him back to the area of the
01:00:56.793 --> 01:00:57.136
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
01:00:58.278 --> 01:00:59.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not all bad.
01:01:02.402 --> 01:01:08.647
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it goes to like they wanted, they didn't find any enjoyment of him seeming that weak.
01:01:09.188 --> 01:01:15.754
[SPEAKER_01]: When it came to Peter asked him because of how much he struggled and how much they were enjoying the way that he was responding to their torture.
01:01:16.194 --> 01:01:27.424
[SPEAKER_01]: They went through with the entire murder with the help of his friend Terry who went bananas with the shovel in a attempt to convince them that he was seriously on their side to save his own life.
01:01:28.062 --> 01:01:30.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, as a hunter, you're not going to shoot a deer with three legs.
01:01:31.526 --> 01:01:31.746
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:01:32.087 --> 01:01:32.327
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:01:32.427 --> 01:01:32.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Let him go.
01:01:32.868 --> 01:01:33.128
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
01:01:33.288 --> 01:01:36.992
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel ashamed to let that little guy walk right on by.
01:01:37.032 --> 01:01:41.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's the damn bullet, damn bullet.
01:01:41.618 --> 01:01:41.718
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:01:41.738 --> 01:01:41.838
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:01:41.858 --> 01:01:42.198
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:01:42.419 --> 01:01:44.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, into kind of wrap this up, man.
01:01:44.141 --> 01:01:47.244
[SPEAKER_01]: They both get, uh, you know, long prison terms.
01:01:47.545 --> 01:01:48.246
[SPEAKER_01]: Head job, Bob.
01:01:48.286 --> 01:01:49.607
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still in prison.
01:01:50.068 --> 01:01:52.631
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happened with the other guy, Paul?
01:01:52.931 --> 01:01:53.972
[SPEAKER_01]: What's his last name again, sorry?
01:01:54.393 --> 01:01:55.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckman.
01:01:55.214 --> 01:01:56.415
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Luckman.
01:01:56.564 --> 01:02:21.508
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Luckman, while in prison, a psychiatrist says that he thinks a lot of his issues stemmed from him being a female in a male form and that he needs to start taking estrogen and get a sex change in order to level out and be exactly who he is and fix a lot of his underlying
01:02:21.488 --> 01:02:30.242
[SPEAKER_01]: And what ends up happening is he gets a sex change on the dime of the Australian taxpayer, in prison, and changes his name to Denise.
01:02:31.264 --> 01:02:36.252
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget the last name, and he is eventually let go in the late 90s, and he's out there.
01:02:36.553 --> 01:02:42.663
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a picture of Denise formally Paul Luckman, and pretty hot.
01:02:43.364 --> 01:02:44.045
[SPEAKER_00]: Richard Speck.
01:02:44.205 --> 01:02:44.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:02:45.127 --> 01:02:45.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Vibes here.
01:02:46.088 --> 01:02:46.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:02:47.189 --> 01:03:03.808
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Australian public is outraged that Paul Luckman, aka, whatever his fucking woman name is, is it has been released because with the evidence and with the story and from Terry's account, Paul, the younger, was the more sadistic of the two.
01:03:04.509 --> 01:03:07.933
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, breaking his foot from kicking the boy.
01:03:08.254 --> 01:03:15.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, he's the one who stuffed dirt down Peter asked and throat as they are bearing him alive to kind of hurry it along.
01:03:15.809 --> 01:03:19.334
[SPEAKER_01]: All that aside though, I mean, stunning and brave.
01:03:19.915 --> 01:03:20.216
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:20.536 --> 01:03:21.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got to tell you, too.
01:03:24.202 --> 01:03:27.367
[SPEAKER_01]: That uh, there's a big pubicara aspect here.
01:03:27.827 --> 01:03:32.595
[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of Peter asked his pubicara and stuffed it in Terry's mouth at one point too, and made him eat it.
01:03:33.195 --> 01:03:35.118
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:03:35.138 --> 01:03:36.561
[SPEAKER_01]: You ever done that, every pubicara?
01:03:37.021 --> 01:03:39.084
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever, I mean, I've had pubicara in my mouth.
01:03:39.786 --> 01:03:40.787
[SPEAKER_00]: You know yours?
01:03:40.885 --> 01:03:53.080
[SPEAKER_00]: My own, I mean, I'm sure I found my own people carry my mouth, but yeah, I mean, it just gets in your teeth Yes, and then you're like lips, like, but caught in your throat, it caught in your throat.
01:03:53.100 --> 01:03:54.001
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't swallow it.
01:03:54.021 --> 01:03:55.162
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do nothing with it.
01:03:55.182 --> 01:03:56.164
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like spider legs.
01:03:56.704 --> 01:03:57.906
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like eating moss.
01:03:58.246 --> 01:04:01.510
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's truly like really, uh, course.
01:04:01.490 --> 01:04:02.192
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, too.
01:04:03.195 --> 01:04:09.073
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to wrap it up here because fucking hack Luna, but you've got mostly information that you need.
01:04:09.654 --> 01:04:13.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell you that my brother and I had this vine.
01:04:14.409 --> 01:04:15.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember vine before TikTok?
01:04:16.205 --> 01:04:18.408
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was like the 15 second videos.
01:04:18.468 --> 01:04:18.728
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:19.168 --> 01:04:19.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:19.689 --> 01:04:20.410
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the original.
01:04:20.450 --> 01:04:21.071
[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
01:04:21.251 --> 01:04:23.594
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was back when people were truly funny.
01:04:23.674 --> 01:04:29.841
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you have TikTok where everybody fucking follows a formula for what they think equals humor and then they do it.
01:04:29.861 --> 01:04:31.984
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking a hate TikTok so much.
01:04:32.304 --> 01:04:33.766
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so not fucking funny.
01:04:34.006 --> 01:04:34.967
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of it.
01:04:34.987 --> 01:04:36.209
[SPEAKER_01]: Once in a while, you'll get a gem.
01:04:36.709 --> 01:04:37.470
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
01:04:37.771 --> 01:04:51.454
[SPEAKER_01]: Vine used to be like honestly purely super fucking funny people coming in of nowhere and it was kind of an underground deal I think me my brother were trying to be some of those funny people for a period time I'm not sure how funny it was.
01:04:51.474 --> 01:04:57.484
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if you can find this, but it was called what was it called well you have now that's what it's called
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:06.616
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd ask him a question, as a dog, he had a pug, so the pug would be there and you hear my voice go, hey, you ever, you ever ate your own pubic hair?
01:05:06.936 --> 01:05:08.920
[SPEAKER_01]: You ever seen somebody eat their own pubic hair?
01:05:08.980 --> 01:05:17.836
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it would turn to Lee Roy and he'd have his actual pubic hair, a big touch of it, and he threw it at his mouth, and he'd say, well, you have now.
01:05:18.517 --> 01:05:21.362
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would watch that.
01:05:22.102 --> 01:05:24.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, have you ever seen a man drink his own piss?
01:05:24.748 --> 01:05:26.832
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the pug says you're gonna find that.
01:05:26.972 --> 01:05:30.660
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you have now, that he drinks something looks like piss.
01:05:31.282 --> 01:05:34.769
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have now, fun.
01:05:34.789 --> 01:05:36.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I doubt it, dude.
01:05:36.373 --> 01:05:38.457
[SPEAKER_01]: His vines still accessible.
01:05:38.791 --> 01:05:46.444
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it got shut down because they were using, uh, Chinese, or all the information that was getting taken.
01:05:46.664 --> 01:05:48.067
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now they do a TikTok.
01:05:48.788 --> 01:05:50.211
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, board some out.
01:05:50.231 --> 01:05:50.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn, okay.
01:05:50.792 --> 01:05:53.436
[SPEAKER_01]: All lastly, Roy, about that and see if I can find a me in pub together.
01:05:53.456 --> 01:05:56.581
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can post them, yeah, I'll try to figure that out.
01:05:56.602 --> 01:05:56.702
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:05:56.722 --> 01:06:02.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, we'll wrap that up because our connectivity issues here have been, uh, have been annoying having they can.
01:06:02.632 --> 01:06:04.495
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been dropping out throughout.
01:06:04.475 --> 01:06:26.449
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much in an annoying episode all around with the the type of crime that we've been dealing with the connectivity issues me having the lack of Research to be reading off of but overall I hope that everybody somehow enjoyed that nasty fucking case Incredible that Paul Luckman aka whatever is female name is Denise something is loose Head job Bob
01:06:26.429 --> 01:06:31.775
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to get hate mail for what, for dead naming him and also using the wrong gender.
01:06:32.255 --> 01:06:32.936
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right.
01:06:32.956 --> 01:06:35.298
[SPEAKER_00]: She even know this is a piece of shit killer.
01:06:35.318 --> 01:06:37.060
[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you say he.
01:06:40.023 --> 01:06:41.905
[SPEAKER_01]: He had job Bob Robin Reed.
01:06:41.965 --> 01:06:45.589
[SPEAKER_01]: He's continuously trying to get out and no remorse.
01:06:46.050 --> 01:06:54.158
[SPEAKER_01]: I always feel that way when he sees somebody consistently pushing their appeals and doing everything they can't spending other time in prison trying to find a way to get out.
01:06:54.138 --> 01:06:59.005
[SPEAKER_01]: a huge indication that they have no remorse and that you should never let a person like that out.
01:07:00.326 --> 01:07:01.628
[SPEAKER_01]: He continuously is trying.
01:07:02.189 --> 01:07:05.173
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want, keep an eye on Robin Reed out of Australia.
01:07:05.673 --> 01:07:10.520
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the Australian people are worried about their justice system and the fact that they think that's quite possible.
01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:14.245
[SPEAKER_01]: They will let him out and he'll be in his mid 60s, late 60s when that happens.
01:07:14.826 --> 01:07:15.787
[SPEAKER_01]: Still own enough to murder.
01:07:16.067 --> 01:07:20.213
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are still like enough youth to laugh too.
01:07:20.277 --> 01:07:25.145
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's this big perverts who are in their late 60s and they're early 70s still.
01:07:25.385 --> 01:07:25.866
[SPEAKER_00]: I've met them.
01:07:25.886 --> 01:07:28.410
[SPEAKER_00]: And in your 60s, you've still got old man's strength.
01:07:28.430 --> 01:07:30.874
[SPEAKER_00]: You can still overpower younger people.
01:07:31.294 --> 01:07:34.079
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't start getting weak until like your late 70s, early 80s.
01:07:34.399 --> 01:07:35.381
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, I agree.
01:07:35.862 --> 01:07:40.188
[SPEAKER_01]: There was something I wanted to mention to you earlier on our, uh, something else.
01:07:40.669 --> 01:07:42.652
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a funny kind of thought that I had the other day.
01:07:43.173 --> 01:07:47.500
[SPEAKER_01]: When we were growing up, our elders were guys that had been in like World War II.
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:49.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Could the Korean War Vietnam even, right?
01:07:50.566 --> 01:07:57.899
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, the elders for like, our children, guys who are in their 70s now, were 30 years old in 1982, right?
01:07:58.961 --> 01:08:04.371
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen in the weird owl, and, you know, smoking butts and thriller.
01:08:06.054 --> 01:08:10.703
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's, they don't, kids don't have the same elders that we had.
01:08:10.683 --> 01:08:15.430
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some weird elders coming into play that we're supposed to respect.
01:08:15.610 --> 01:08:19.035
[SPEAKER_01]: You just see an old guy and you're like, oh yeah, he's probably fucking done a lot with his life.
01:08:19.055 --> 01:08:23.521
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the student had a fucking co-addiction and was eating pubic hair in the 80s.
01:08:24.142 --> 01:08:27.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and another 10 years, because I mean, the Vietnam vets are dying off.
01:08:27.727 --> 01:08:28.729
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:28.749 --> 01:08:39.424
[SPEAKER_00]: So in another 10 years, we're going to be in that age of old men that never were it, went to war, or they were just, yes, smoking pot, getting STDs and watching.
01:08:40.197 --> 01:08:45.988
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... fucking galley or smash watermelons into yeah totally
01:08:46.525 --> 01:08:47.606
[SPEAKER_01]: How's James?
01:08:48.267 --> 01:08:54.454
[SPEAKER_01]: The experience of growing up with like for me, I go to the Legion and have a few drinks and he hear the old war stories from the old guys.
01:08:54.494 --> 01:08:55.435
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a big thing for me.
01:08:55.475 --> 01:08:59.179
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love sitting down as a youngster, drinking.
01:09:00.321 --> 01:09:00.641
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:00.781 --> 01:09:04.866
[SPEAKER_01]: But talking to these old guys and they're they're drunk and they're drinking their scotch.
01:09:04.886 --> 01:09:09.391
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're so happy to share their stories with a kid who is interested in hearing what they've been through.
01:09:10.232 --> 01:09:15.638
[SPEAKER_01]: Now when my boy grows up and he goes to the bar and there's those old guys there and he starts asking their stories.
01:09:16.597 --> 01:09:18.861
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not the same it's fucking story.
01:09:19.021 --> 01:09:37.491
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna everyone I was gonna involve ass I'm a bottle Given to him by dude with no shoes a suit and Rabinier Yeah, they're not the same drunks at the lead No Better drinkin because they're trying to block out the screams
01:09:39.344 --> 01:09:40.966
[SPEAKER_01]: We need another war man.
01:09:40.986 --> 01:09:42.309
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to create some more heroes.
01:09:42.349 --> 01:09:43.370
[SPEAKER_00]: We do we need a war.
01:09:43.651 --> 01:09:48.458
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God Hard man create good times good times create soft man soft man create hard.
01:09:48.979 --> 01:09:50.922
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh Yeah, we need a reset, man.
01:09:51.462 --> 01:09:52.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great.
01:09:52.244 --> 01:09:55.669
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really fuck Take it can be right in the forehead.
01:09:56.190 --> 01:10:03.040
[SPEAKER_00]: We do need a good war Yeah, like like a noble war like a serious war like uniformed
01:10:04.133 --> 01:10:06.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that was, because that was a little stuck about our afghan stand in our rack.
01:10:06.936 --> 01:10:08.017
[SPEAKER_00]: You never knew who was the enemy.
01:10:08.057 --> 01:10:08.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:10:08.237 --> 01:10:09.578
[SPEAKER_00]: We need like a World War II.
01:10:09.919 --> 01:10:10.159
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:10:10.379 --> 01:10:10.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Top war.
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you know the enemy?
01:10:12.762 --> 01:10:12.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:10:13.262 --> 01:10:22.872
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I just said a noble war, that's kind of a shot at you because we've talked about this in the past, like, yeah, you don't feel like you got the same thing out of it that the World War II veteran got out of there time.
01:10:22.892 --> 01:10:23.072
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:10:23.533 --> 01:10:23.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:10:23.913 --> 01:10:25.915
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because it's so split on even a while.
01:10:25.935 --> 01:10:26.836
[SPEAKER_00]: We were fucking there.
01:10:27.276 --> 01:10:30.900
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody agreed that we should have been there in World War II, you know?
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Left wing, right wing, everybody knew that it was for a good cause.
01:10:33.644 --> 01:10:36.008
[SPEAKER_00]: Hitler has to stuff eight off Hitler.
01:10:36.068 --> 01:10:37.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
01:10:37.070 --> 01:10:44.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Those, those men were heroes, we need a war like that, where everybody is on the same ally, like page.
01:10:45.103 --> 01:10:51.693
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have that victory, and then you're, you know, you're relieved to be added that horrible situation, and you appreciate everything you have.
01:10:52.414 --> 01:10:54.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, I don't think that we appreciated enough.
01:10:55.059 --> 01:10:55.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
01:10:56.020 --> 01:10:56.781
[SPEAKER_01]: We did, we do need it.
01:10:57.082 --> 01:10:57.883
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume in beings.
01:10:57.863 --> 01:10:58.464
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.
01:10:58.784 --> 01:11:00.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Putin will come through for us.
01:11:00.266 --> 01:11:04.931
[SPEAKER_00]: When we need a common enemy, another eight-off Hitler.
01:11:05.191 --> 01:11:05.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what we're saying?
01:11:06.153 --> 01:11:08.155
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so because it brings people together.
01:11:08.455 --> 01:11:11.379
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're tearing each other apart over fucking minuscule shit.
01:11:12.120 --> 01:11:13.902
[SPEAKER_00]: We all need to agree on one dude.
01:11:13.942 --> 01:11:15.063
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, okay, yeah.
01:11:15.804 --> 01:11:17.065
[SPEAKER_00]: That guy's a bad person.
01:11:17.085 --> 01:11:17.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:17.646 --> 01:11:18.547
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, maybe aliens.
01:11:18.727 --> 01:11:23.753
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they come down and we're like, as a human race, we need to protect our little rock, you know.
01:11:23.935 --> 01:11:29.558
[SPEAKER_01]: when it's the plot to independence that is we need independence day we need an independence day