Cuestacast #25: Anthony Palmiotto | Managing Partner of Odyssey Real Estate Group

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Hello hello hello everybody welcome to quest to cast i
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absolutely hate all of these hard opens and i am
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too lazy to make a freaking intro but it is
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what we are doing right now how's everybody doing out
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there on this what is it tuesday wednesday wednesday september
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16th you know we've just been doing wednesday since we
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started the alex cuesta show five years ago but hello
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everybody um it is episode number 25 we appreciate wherever
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you're watching from uh for YouTube X Facebook kick rumble.
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Make sure you smash the like button, subscribe, all that
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good stuff.
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Dave.
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Hi, how are you?
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Hi, I'm doing pretty well.
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I'm fucking around on Twitter while we're also talking. So
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I could find fun stuff for us to be quite
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honest with you. Like Mitch McConnell, blue screening, but still
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getting driven to go and vote and do things. So
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I'm finding things.
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I'm having a good time.
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So, What's going to be fun is we are going
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to have multiple topics of just big boobs. And that's
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not at all what everybody's thinking either. So just be prepared.
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It is going to be an interesting night. So to
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take care of our little housekeeping stuff, as always, fuck
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Broma 16. I cannot play Hack No Caps intro because
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they keep claiming it. So I will continue to talk
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shit to Broma 16 until I get something better. Go
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buy Shane Cashman's new book, Good Villains. It's still out there.
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He's doing well with it. He has started his first
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live stream, which from his page that he did in 2007,
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his YouTube, he's never used yet. so go follow Shane
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Shane's a good guy uh and go buy his book
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good villains uh whether you like again he obviously didn't
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like that I said that I don't always agree with
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him and I know Shane's now gonna fight me for
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that but we love Shane here so go buy his
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book and also David needs to get on side scholars
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so anyone that is a fan of side scholars make
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sure that you spam them and put them on side
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scholars and last week David You got to talk to
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Paul Cato because my computer decided to tell me to
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fuck right off. And I hate it.
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Yes, that was very fun. I enjoyed the conversation.
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I hope everyone who listened did as well. And even
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the conversation before the podcast, I enjoyed while we were waiting.
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I couldn't be involved in.
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Yeah. So I guess I hope everyone enjoyed that one.
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I'm not the hostess with the mostest like you are.
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So I'm not as advanced in my rhetoric, but I
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thought it was pretty good.
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It's funny, too, because like I truly thought my laptop
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was fucked and I'm like, all right, we're not going
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to do this over like three weeks because I'm poor
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and I'm not gonna be able to go out and
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buy a new one or get like a desktop. So
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what it tells me is, though, I have to start
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working on a plan to get a desktop. Like, yes,
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I still have to do some construction in my office here,
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fix some stuff. I have to get on that, fix
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the wall, get a real desk. Get on the desktop.
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That's all that.
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It's the best way to go.
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I'm on a time. I'm on a time limit here.
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But this week, we have a fantastic episode. We have
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someone that he's been on, I think, every itineration of
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a show where I've had a guest on. He's been
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on Sports Opinions. He's been on Alex Cuesta's show. He
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wasn't on Cuesta Dose because we didn't do guests. That
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was just me and you dicking around. But he is
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one of my childhood friends. He can't get away from me.
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He will always be known as my quarterback. He's Anthony Pamiato.
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He is a managing.
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What do you do?
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You're a managing partner at Odyssey Real Estate. Vice president,
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first equity funding. What's up, Bob?
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What's up, guys? Yeah, I've been on every iteration of
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whatever show you guys have had. Always a good time,
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so I'm really looking forward to just being a little
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silly and maybe getting myself in trouble here with something
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I'm going to say.
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I mean, you have the beauty of having your own shit.
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That's the nice part about you is you manage with Odyssey.
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You're a VP. So it's like you're kind of in
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control of what you do, which is nice being a
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small business owner and things like that. But I do
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have to say something now. For a while ago, you
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were supposed to come on with Corey, and then Corey
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decided to just tell us to fuck off. So I
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got a bone to pick with Corey.
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Dude, you got to take it up with him. I
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don't know what happened. I don't remember. I mean, because
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I'm on the show right now, I'm going to throw
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him under the bus and say that was something he did.
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It was.
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It was.
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It was like Corey put it off and then all
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of a sudden it was like, yeah, I don't know.
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Like we can't do it at now. And I'm just like,
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you know what? Say things that you're not allowed to say.
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I think he was just scared that like– I think
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he just didn't want both of you to be there
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and then say some shit. And then people were like,
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we're never working with Odyssey. Both people that manage it
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are out of their goddamn minds. So– It could have been.
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Well, no. So Odyssey is with another friend of mine.
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I do have something brewing with Corey that we're working on.
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So he might get me in trouble on that end.
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But I don't think Corey cares. Sometimes, like, you know
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when you're scrolling reels and you can see who liked it?
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Yeah.
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The most dark, sick, twisted, messed up things. It's always
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like Corey's been here already.
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So I don't think he minds. You know, whatever. But no,
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we still love Corey. Corey, you got to come on
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the show. If you do watch this, I'm demanding that
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you make an appearance because it's necessary, damn it. But
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we'll have him on at some point. And I see
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that caveat's hanging out. Nate's hanging out. Nate coming in saying, fellas,
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can't believe I missed a week to dunk on Rutgers.
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They dunk on themselves every week.
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Well, it's going to be every week.
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You're going to have a chance every week to dunk
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on Rutgers. I don't think they're winning a game this year.
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Yeah, they are. You know, the fact of the matter
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is– and it's like it hurts, right? Because we're all
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Rutgers people here. We love Kevin Malice. Like we all– Pom,
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I know especially us as we were still playing football
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in the high school. Yayak had that picture of Kevin Malice.
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from the Insight Bowl. And he was a big part.
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And to see Shiano being such a bad coach right
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now in the Big Ten, it hurts. Like, do you
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still follow Rutgers, Pom?
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Dude, I remember, not too much to be honest, but
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I remember my first semester of college. I went to
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Coastal Carolina University for that fall semester. And so I'm
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down there in South Carolina where it's USC and Clemson.
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They love their college football. And I remember being in
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somebody's dorm room watching a game And I forget the
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kid's name, but he made the field goal. He turns
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around and points at the sky.
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Jeremy Ito.
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Jeremy Ito.
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Yep.
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Dude, I was on top of the world, man. New
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Jersey had relevant college football. I think Rutgers got up to, what,
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six in the country?
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So that was an upset against Louisville, I believe. And
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then they lost the following week. If they would have
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won the following week, they were going to the national championship.
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Yeah, I forget if they lost to South Florida, but
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it was somebody they could have beat. But that team
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was so much fun. I mean, I was so into that.
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And just to see where the program is now. I mean,
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the whole Big Ten thing I was really excited about.
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I had the juices flowing again when that all happened.
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And there's just been nothing. I mean, I want to
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care and I just can't.
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I remember, I think it was... Our senior year football meeting,
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I think Kevin brought Brian Leonard there because he was
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friends with Brian. And it was one of the things
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that we did and he brought Brian there. And obviously,
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Kevin went to school with Ray Rice, Jake on Underwood,
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Kenny Britt, all the McCourty's. He's good friends with all
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them and everything. So it's like it does like we
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were around for like the heyday of Rutgers. And we
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all remember that. And just to see where they are
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and to see Shiano having the worst defense two years
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in a row in college football. Like it is– they
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can't stop anybody. And then last year they had Kaliak
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Manis who could throw the ball. And now this year
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they can't do shit. So– and it sucks. We're wasting
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two talented guys with Duff and– And what do you
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call it? The running back.
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Raymond.
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They're both really good. And– It's bothersome. But also Florida
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State's fucking balls too. So I have no one to
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root for in college. Like it is a miserable go
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right here. Caveatized jumping in saying Paul's a cool guest.
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One of the guys I follow. Listen, I said to Paul,
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I apologize that I couldn't make it. He's like, yeah,
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we'll do it again. So obviously you did something right, David.
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You don't suck.
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A little bit.
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Sometimes. Caveatai saying, I only know about Rutgers because of Imus. Yeah,
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them nappy-headed hoes, baby. Aw, man, I miss Imus. Imus
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was amazing. Nate saying that Rutgers team was so fun
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to watch. It was. Ray Rice just ran people over
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and Brian Leonard was hurtling everybody. It was great. It
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was a good time. You had to be there, bring
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back the Big East so that Rutgers can actually be
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relevant again.
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It's compounded even more sad because we have so much
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football talent in New Jersey and we don't keep it,
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it seems like.
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No, we don't. And it's like all they have to
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do is– Long Island and New Jersey. If you can
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go and keep Long Island and New Jersey, that's where
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all the best players go from everywhere else. They recruit
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from Long Island, New Jersey, Texas, Florida, and California. Those
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are the major guys, a few Georgia. But I know
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a bunch of other states are like, we have players too. No,
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you don't. Fuck off. Like that's where the best guys
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come from.
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Dude, if we just put Bergen Catholic and Don Bosco
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and made that the Rutgers team, I think we'd be
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pretty decent.
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Yeah, really.
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Actually.
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But we just can't keep any of these guys.
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No.
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We just can't keep any of them.
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It has to be pretty embarrassing when Shiano's looking at
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around the Big Ten and it's all guys that are
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from Jersey and like in his backyard, right? Yeah. Because
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theoretically too, like Syracuse's balls, they're not great. There's no
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real New York threat. There's no true New Jersey threat.
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The closest threat to them is Penn State.
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Penn State, yeah.
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That's about it. I know it's a conference rival, but
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you should have that pipeline. You should have that bubble
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where you're only losing really a bunch of South Jersey
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and maybe where we are in the short conference because
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that is– an hour away, an hour and a half
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from Penn State, but still.
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Even with his name brand coming back to Rutgers, you
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would think that he would have been able to pull
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enough and have enough success that he would be able
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to sustain it, but no.
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That just wasn't what happened.
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The excuse was, oh, we have the penalty. We don't
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have full money. We don't have full scholarships because they
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had a penalty for the how they got into the
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conference and they were serving. They didn't have full scholarship.
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They were not getting the amount of money they were
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supposed to from TV deals that ended last year. They
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had full recruiting prowess. They have all scholarships. They're getting
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the full Big Ten TV deal. There is zero excuse.
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And the transfer portal, right? Like, there's zero excuse for
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them to suck as bad as they are. Especially as
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we watch Indiana, who has been like an equivalent team
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historically to Rutgers in terms of a little bit up
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and down, go and win a national championship.
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Fuck off, Rutgers. That's all I have to say. I'm
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very mad at Rutgers right now. I will be back
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if you guys ever do anything good. But they need
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to go back to having the old, like, just badass
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Scarlet Knight on the side of the helmets.
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Yeah, that was pretty cool.
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Like the Ray Lucas Scarlet Knight. That's what we want.
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We need to rebrand. The block R isn't working. But
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speaking of something that is working, our New York football
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Jets are not only looking good.
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For now.
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They're playing good for one week. So, Pom. I know
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you watched week one. How are you feeling after the Titans?
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Well, dude, let's just start with this. I mean, forget
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what the final score was. That game was not that close.
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The Jets won that game going away. What was it,
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23-10 it ended up? It was way more lopsided than that.
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It looks like there's some players on this team. And listen,
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anytime you're a Jets fan and you're not out of
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the you're not out of the playoffs week one because somebody,
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you had some catastrophic injury or you embarrassed so badly
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that you're like, Oh, I know what this season is.
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Anytime you can avoid that and get a win. I'm
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a happy camper, man. So let's go.
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And I think Matt O'Leary put it out there and
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a few other Jets bloggers and people in that sphere
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pointed out, the whole entire the Titans are bad narrative
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is shit. Cam Ward might be bad, right? But that
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Titans team is not a team devoid of talent everywhere else.
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They have a good rookie receiver in Tate. They have
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Wanda Robinson, who's a legit receiver, caught 93 balls, I think,
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last year. They have Pollard, who's a legitimate 1,000-yard back.
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That O-line isn't amazing, but it's not the worst. And
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that defensive line is fairly good. They have some good players.
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It's not like the Titans, theoretically, if they get 500
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play out of Cam Ward, can win eight or nine games.
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That's not a terrible football team. And the Jets just
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manhandled them. Dave, I know we talked a whole bunch about,
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you know, the Jets in this game. What did you
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walk away from it impression-wise?
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Well, I mean, I do think the Titans are going
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to be awful.
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Mainly, you know, I just don't think there's going to
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be any– actual like meshing with everything going on with
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Salah and Dayball. I think, I don't know how the
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Titans learned that losing coaches would come and bring a
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winning culture apparently, but that doesn't, and you know, that
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can take away a bit from certain wins, right? Especially
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if the Jets didn't look great and they just kind
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of eked it out because of lucky things, maybe a
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punt return touchdown or, you know, certain things like that.
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but instead we actually had a dominating win where I
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think what really matters is it looked like we had
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an identity to our offense. We have actual professionalism with
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our whole team, the way they actually go and play
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on the field, the way they play together, they're playing hard.
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They're playing smash mouth football. They want to run it
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down your throat. And then Gino can make pretty much
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every throw, especially if you keep them clean, like the
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offensive line does.
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So yeah, We'll see.
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I know we kind of came into week one already
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being like, okay, we're going to see what this season
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is going to be depending on.
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How it goes. But now we're also going into week
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two with the Packers saying, all right.
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We're going to see how this season is going to
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be depending on how this goes because this is like
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the real test. The Titans was very nice to see.
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It looked like a genuine football team, which is something
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we never see lately. But now it's like, okay, the
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Packers are down. Micah, Josh Jacobs, it's probably going to rain.
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They just– Absolutely choked against the Vikings. Looked fucking terrible
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on the fourth. So can we actually, yet again, look
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like a football team, have that identity, and pull out
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a win at your fucking home debut in whiteout?
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Like, come on.
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Now, Pom, if the Jets do win. Like David said,
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no Micah, no Josh Jacobs. How much is that going
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to be the narrative, right? Well, the Jets beat the Packers,
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but they weren't getting a pass rush because Minka wasn't there.
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They weren't, you know, Micah wasn't there and they weren't
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getting the running game because Josh Jacobs wasn't there. Like,
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are we going to get the narrative, especially if the
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Jets squeeze it out? Because I don't think they're going
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to dominate the Packers because I think the Packers are
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actually … They're well-coached. They're a pretty good football team.
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At least well-coached for three quarters.
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For three quarters. But I think it's going to be
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a pretty close, sloppy game, like Dave said. Are we
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going to get the narrative, even if the Jets are 2-0, with, oh, well,
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there is no pass rush. Of course they won.
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Just to put a bow on the Titans, I think
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they're big. Robert Sala is terrible. He is not a
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head coach in this football league, right? I think that
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was their biggest problem because, like Alex said, they do
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have some players on there. But whatever. Good win. as
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far as the Packers, listen, it's always fun to dunk
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on the Jets, right? So no matter what happens, people
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are looking for a reason to do it. But I
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will say, I thought the response, like just being on
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X and seeing the vibes of what people were saying,
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even who are Giants fans or just Jets haters, like
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people seem to respect the win. I mean, the way
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they won the game and the way they carried themselves
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and how they played football. So I think if they
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win at home against the Packers, I think it should
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be respected. I mean, I know they're down a few
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guys or whatever, and Weather or whatever should equalize things
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a little bit. Dude, if you're 2-0, you win your
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home opener, and you're the Jets, dude, that's about as
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good of a start as we've had. When's the last
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time we were 2-0? I don't even remember. Was it
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like 2015 or something?
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I'll pull that up.
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Was it like one.
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Of the Ryan Fitzpatrick years?
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I don't think so.
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I don't think we got off to great starts. I
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don't think we got off to a great start.
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I'll pull that up.
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But I do want to bring it up because you said,
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you know, around Twitter, you saw people talk. And this
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is one of the things that got around NFL Twitter,
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where Frank Reich being a fucking madman, having no wide
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receivers out in the field. You don't. It's weird to
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say that Frank Reich is bringing the offensive creativity that
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we've kind of been looking for for a while. But
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at least for the first game, he's shown that.
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And none of us wanted Frank Reich. Like when he
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got hired, we were all like, he's old. His offenses
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have been out of touch. He hasn't been great wherever,
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you know, the past few places. At least game one,
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he was as creative as we've seen. ever seen i
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think people like we're probably going to be without minka
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fitzpatrick right we're going to be without omar cooper who
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looked good for one catch and he pancaked the shit
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out of taylor on play one so it's like it's
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not like every team is down guys right like d'angelo
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pons is going to be making his first possible playing
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right so every team has injuries so i i don't.
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You were right about it being a fitzpatrick here is
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2015 we started.
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It was okay yeah okay Okay. So with that being said,
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can we talk about contest stickers though? Because we have
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not had a special teams guy like that. I remember
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that wasn't a return man. in a long, long time, right?
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Because Stiggers isn't the returner. He's the everything else. I
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bring this guy up a few times. The Patriots win
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Super Bowls, yes, because of Tom Brady and that defense,
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but also because they had Slater. And Slater just made
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all the right plays, changed the fields. Pom, we played ball. David,
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you played ball. It was so important to have that
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field position battle. How much does a guy like Stiggers
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and even McCrary Ball being out there and things like
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that mean to the Jets and even us as fans?
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Because those are the exciting plays that we yell and
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scream about, right? When Stiggers blocks a dude into the
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punter as he's trying to call a fair catch, we
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were all amped about that. So do you like what
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you see out of Stiggers? Do you think he can
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maintain this? Do you want to see him rotate onto
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the defense or not? stay as the special team specialist.
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Was that to me?
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Yeah, of course it's you. Screw David.
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So, well, listen, when you grow up playing football, you
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know what the coaches always say, right? Special teams is
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a third of the game and all that. So it
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can't be understated how, how, how important it is. And dude, we,
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I haven't been excited about a special teams guy in
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the jets since like one of my favorite players of
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all time. Remember Brad Smith?
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Yeah.
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He would just do it.
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Guy would just do everything.
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Yeah.
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But, but he, but he was a return guy, but whatever.
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It was just, it was fun being excited about some
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special teams guys. Um, yeah, if, if the guy's going
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to keep playing, um, he should see the field more.
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I don't, I, I'm personally not a big fan of like, oh,
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you have a special role on special teams and that's
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what you do. I think that should be a gateway to,
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into getting your ass on the field more. So I
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love that. Um, and listen, it, it, it goes without saying,
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but when you actually watch special teams play well and
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you realize how you start winning the battle of field position, um,
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And even if your special teams isn't winning you the
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game with big returns and things like that, not losing
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the game, not giving up the big play is almost
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just as important or even more important in many ways.
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Because we've seen so many times where the Jets have
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shot themselves in the foot on that side too, right?
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Not only not making a big play on special teams,
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but giving up the big play too.
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At the worst possible time.
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And we've seen it, not just on the Jets, but
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we've seen it across the NFL. We've seen it in
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playoffs almost every year. Like a muff punt happens, and
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then the kicking team gets it. Now they're in great
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field position. They're most likely going to score to go up.
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And it just changes the game completely if you mess
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up at all on special teams. Now if you actually
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go on above and beyond and you do a great
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play then it can do even more for you so
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it a lot of people a lot of people don't
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think about it but when someone like what stickers did
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in week one like what mccurry ball did in week
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one it shows up it really shows up and it
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jumps off the screen when it actually.
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Happens so i want to go and let's get some
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overreactions from a rest of the league Pom, is Trevor
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Lawrence and Caleb Williams going to break every quarterback record
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we've ever seen this year after both of them had
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a ridiculously good week once?
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I want to love Trevor Lawrence so much, dude. I remember, dude,
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I bet the over in that. Was that the one
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national championship game? It was like 21-14 in the first quarter.
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I think I hit the over on whatever that national
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championship game was in the first quarter. I've loved Trevor
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Lawrence ever since.
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And he just has every guy that wins me money.
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I like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm not a
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really a big fan though. Um, I, I think he's okay.
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He's a serviceable quarterback, but I don't, I don't think
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he's taking some giant step forward this year. Just kind
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of a gut feeling by me, but you know, the
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performance was impressive. And, uh, you know, it's also like,
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if you guys ever burn you on your fantasy team,
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you just hate that guy. And I've got, he's crushed,
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he's crushed me a couple of times, but, um, I
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like him as a player. I want to see the
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guy do well, but I just, I don't see him
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as being like, you know, one of these guys taking
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them to the promised land. But listen, maybe I'll be
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eating my words in six months.
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Who knows? Now, what about Caleb Williams and the Bears
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throwing up 59 in week one, but their defense also
483
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giving up 32 to the Panthers?
484
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I had a little bit.
485
00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:17.509
37, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
486
00:21:17.609 --> 00:21:19.470
It was a score-a-gami, by the way, I'm pretty sure.
487
00:21:19.490 --> 00:21:20.990
I don't know if you saw that.
488
00:21:21.250 --> 00:21:22.130
I wouldn't be surprised.
489
00:21:22.430 --> 00:21:22.650
Yeah.
490
00:21:22.769 --> 00:21:23.769
No, what the hell is a score-a-gami?
491
00:21:23.789 --> 00:21:25.089
Have you never seen score-a-gami?
492
00:21:25.329 --> 00:21:26.230
No, I don't know what that is.
493
00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:28.779
Yeah, it's a– He'll pull it up.
494
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.440
So, so Scorigami is every day. They record every time
495
00:21:31.460 --> 00:21:34.049
there's a unique NFL score. So there's never been a
496
00:21:34.029 --> 00:21:36.470
59 to 37 win before in the NFL.
497
00:21:37.069 --> 00:21:37.329
Hmm.
498
00:21:37.589 --> 00:21:39.990
So it's, it's becoming increasingly rare to get them because
499
00:21:40.009 --> 00:21:41.450
obviously we've had so many NFL games.
500
00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:41.589
So.
501
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Um, but that's only, that's how you get it is
502
00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:45.559
when you whoop someone's ass like that.
503
00:21:45.859 --> 00:21:47.470
And a lot of teams are going for two points
504
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and doing different things on fourth down more because of
505
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the stats too. So I think that's why like we're
506
00:21:51.589 --> 00:21:55.660
getting a lot more less traditional scores and everything like that.
507
00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.279
But do you buy the Caleb Williams hype? Because I
508
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.539
saw him, we talked about this a few weeks ago, Dave, that,
509
00:22:02.970 --> 00:22:05.390
Caleb Williams was put as high as three on so
510
00:22:05.430 --> 00:22:08.789
many of the best quarterback rankings coming into this season.
511
00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:11.759
Do you buy that Caleb Williams hype that he is
512
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going to elevate? I mean, he has Burden as the rookie,
513
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who I like over there. I like Burden. He's a
514
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.589
good receiver. They have a few other good guys. Obviously,
515
00:22:20.609 --> 00:22:24.490
the running game, you have Swift and Rucker's Finest, Manunga
516
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is over there. So, Do you buy the hype that
517
00:22:27.609 --> 00:22:30.039
Caleb Williams is going to take that big step, what
518
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is it, year three now, as a guy who we're
519
00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:35.839
going to talk about with Lamar, with Josh Allen, with,
520
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I want to say Justin Herbert, but we'll get to
521
00:22:38.269 --> 00:22:40.029
him soon, but with Jordan Burrows.
522
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Jordan?
523
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Did I say the wrong name?
524
00:22:42.049 --> 00:22:42.119
No.
525
00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:45.529
Justin Burrows? What the hell is his name? Justin. Burrow,
526
00:22:45.549 --> 00:22:46.529
and I keep on adding Burrows.
527
00:22:46.730 --> 00:22:47.009
Yes.
528
00:22:48.130 --> 00:22:50.450
You've gotten very old. This is like calling Best Buy
529
00:22:50.490 --> 00:22:51.849
Best Buys and stuff like that.
530
00:22:51.869 --> 00:22:52.869
I mean, that's what Dad does.
531
00:22:53.089 --> 00:22:54.329
Yeah, this is.
532
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Getting really bad.
533
00:22:55.690 --> 00:22:57.049
Every video game is a Nintendo.
534
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Yeah.
535
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PlayStation for me.
536
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This is going to start becoming a Mitch McConnell type situation,
537
00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:04.539
isn't it? I mentioned him twice now.
538
00:23:05.019 --> 00:23:06.900
I don't know. But yeah, so are we going to
539
00:23:07.299 --> 00:23:12.579
put Caleb Williams up with that Echelon quarterback? That's me again.
540
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:13.720
It's all to you.
541
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It's always to you.
542
00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:20.339
I actually didn't have a strong opinion on him. I
543
00:23:20.380 --> 00:23:23.660
had never just watched him play much or whatever. Dude,
544
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I think I'm in on him. He's athletic. He makes
545
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the plays. I don't know if week one was an aberration,
546
00:23:31.450 --> 00:23:36.250
but I don't listen. He's not Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson,
547
00:23:36.309 --> 00:23:38.009
but I would put him in that tier two. I
548
00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:40.680
think at his best, he could be playing on the
549
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level of a Justin Herbert when he, when he's going, um, I,
550
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:46.380
like I said, I'm not going to lie. I really
551
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didn't have strong opinions on him before the season. I
552
00:23:48.730 --> 00:23:50.910
really had never watched him play much, but I liked
553
00:23:50.930 --> 00:23:52.450
what I saw out of him. And I think he's
554
00:23:52.470 --> 00:23:54.329
like solidly in that, in that tier two when he's
555
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playing well, but listen, it's a long season. Let's see
556
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what he does.
557
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:00.279
Now I want to bring up nature saying Caleb brought
558
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his best purse on Sunday.
559
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Yes.
560
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He is representing the they, them community in football.
561
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Dude, I don't know. I kind of had to like–
562
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.519
I think when I saw the fingernails painted a couple
563
00:24:09.579 --> 00:24:11.480
years ago, I didn't– not that I had some opinion
564
00:24:11.539 --> 00:24:13.319
on it, but I just didn't really ever think about them.
565
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:15.480
I don't care. I just like making fun of people.
566
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:17.019
Dude.
567
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.079
When you do put it on national television, you deserve
568
00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:20.559
to get made fun of if it's made fun of.
569
00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.799
If my quarterback wants to paint his nails and wear
570
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:25.859
a purse, as long as he wins football games, I
571
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think that's what most fans would care about.
572
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I would have waited to make fun of you until
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after the season if you did that. I would have
574
00:24:31.579 --> 00:24:33.619
made sure your mindset was good during the season. After
575
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:35.650
the season, if you kept wearing it and it wasn't
576
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like a superstition thing, then I would have made fun
577
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of you.
578
00:24:38.289 --> 00:24:39.390
Fair deal.
579
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I think what we're seeing with Caleb right now is
580
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what seems to happen a lot of times in the league,
581
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:49.099
especially with top-tier quarterbacks coming out of draft. is they're
582
00:24:49.220 --> 00:24:51.980
usually not paired with the best coaching parent because they're
583
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.420
going to a bad organization.
584
00:24:53.849 --> 00:24:54.029
Yeah.
585
00:24:54.069 --> 00:24:58.190
But Caleb with Ben Johnson seems to work really well.
586
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Like Ben buys into exactly what Caleb is going for,
587
00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:04.369
what how a style play is. And Caleb is buying
588
00:25:04.410 --> 00:25:06.630
into what Ben is trying to go to have him
589
00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:08.730
get to. So it looks like those two are going
590
00:25:08.750 --> 00:25:11.869
to pair up really, really well. And everything that Caleb
591
00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:15.210
does well is going to shine. So I, And at
592
00:25:15.259 --> 00:25:18.759
this point, it's hard to– unless he crashed and burned somehow.
593
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:20.640
But we saw at the end of last year, now
594
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starting this year, he looked extremely comfortable throwing the ball
595
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.299
into tight windows too. So at this point, it looks
596
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.599
like it's just going to be up for Caleb Williams.
597
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.759
Now, David, how much of that is having Swift and
598
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.559
Mnangai back there? And is how much of it is
599
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:39.210
those two? Because we've seen Swift can legitimately run the football.
600
00:25:39.230 --> 00:25:41.750
He's a number one running back. Mnangai is a great
601
00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:43.849
spell back. And they had monster games. I think they
602
00:25:43.869 --> 00:25:45.910
had almost 300 yards on the ground this week.
603
00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:46.369
Yeah.
604
00:25:46.430 --> 00:25:49.700
Well, and you could say, like, of course, that can help. Right.
605
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But that doesn't help. make certain throws that he made
606
00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:54.549
the Colt come in. That doesn't help.
607
00:25:55.309 --> 00:25:57.450
You know, these certain throws that he's making that he
608
00:25:57.569 --> 00:26:00.289
trusts his arm, he trusts his receiver, he knows what
609
00:26:00.329 --> 00:26:02.069
the game plan, he knows what the route is, where
610
00:26:02.109 --> 00:26:05.210
he's supposed to be. Like, you could say, okay, the
611
00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:07.049
running game might have helped him a bit. Sure, it
612
00:26:07.430 --> 00:26:10.869
helps the whole offense. But to make those throws, to
613
00:26:10.930 --> 00:26:13.609
have that confidence, to feel like you're going to go
614
00:26:13.690 --> 00:26:15.269
out there and be the best guy on the field
615
00:26:15.309 --> 00:26:18.490
like that, that's big time. That's going to help in
616
00:26:18.569 --> 00:26:19.539
every single game you're in.
617
00:26:20.299 --> 00:26:23.519
So we're going to get down to something super important
618
00:26:23.619 --> 00:26:28.589
right now because you mentioned Justin Herbert, Pom. Justin Herbert
619
00:26:28.670 --> 00:26:30.730
might have one of the worst problems that you have
620
00:26:30.769 --> 00:26:36.410
in sports, having a smoking hot celebrity girlfriend because Madison
621
00:26:36.450 --> 00:26:39.599
Beer is a legitimate 10 out of 10, and there
622
00:26:39.630 --> 00:26:42.700
she is on the Jumbotron jumping up and down and
623
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:45.759
looking as hot as can be, and we saw this
624
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:47.240
with Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson.
625
00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:47.420
Wow.
626
00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:51.950
Dave, we said this the other day. When you're Justin Herbert,
627
00:26:52.349 --> 00:26:54.869
you're now a bazillionaire because you've gotten that second contract.
628
00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:58.809
You have a 10 out of 10 at home every
629
00:26:58.849 --> 00:27:01.230
single day. Why the hell do you give a shit
630
00:27:01.269 --> 00:27:05.039
about how you play on Sunday? You have won in life.
631
00:27:05.410 --> 00:27:07.660
Do you really need to care? I feel like there
632
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:11.789
is that some sort of a curse that We didn't
633
00:27:11.809 --> 00:27:14.569
play well? I'm going home to Madison Beer. I don't
634
00:27:14.609 --> 00:27:16.859
give a shit if I played well. I'll be back
635
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.759
at practice and I'll collect my paycheck. Is there something
636
00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:21.599
to that, Paul? I'm just having not only just a
637
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.180
smoking hot wife, but a well-known smoking hot wife or girlfriend.
638
00:27:25.220 --> 00:27:28.039
Dude, just to draw a comparison, look at the regression
639
00:27:28.059 --> 00:27:33.789
of Paul Skeens in year three, who's dating the girlfriend. Yeah,
640
00:27:33.829 --> 00:27:36.009
the gymnast girl. So I don't know. Is there something
641
00:27:36.029 --> 00:27:39.210
to that? I mean, actually, what do you think matters more,
642
00:27:39.289 --> 00:27:41.849
getting your bag or having like the smoking hot chick?
643
00:27:41.890 --> 00:27:44.140
I mean, I used to think it was the money,
644
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.380
but I don't know. These two examples, I'm not so
645
00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:46.960
sure anymore.
646
00:27:47.619 --> 00:27:51.440
I mean, does it take away– because obviously like the
647
00:27:51.509 --> 00:27:54.609
goal of a competitor and when you're working to get
648
00:27:54.630 --> 00:27:57.160
to that pro level, right? Is I want to win
649
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.960
a championship. I want to go there. I want to
650
00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:01.220
be the best there ever is. You know, if I'm
651
00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:04.279
Justin Herber, I probably came in piss and vinegar looking like, okay, Brady,
652
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.690
I'm going to replace you. I'm going to bring X, Y,
653
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:08.940
and Z there. And then all of a sudden I'm
654
00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:14.960
in LA, I'm in California. I have a really hot girlfriend, wife, fiance, whatever.
655
00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:17.819
I don't know. I think Madison Beers is fiance. And yeah,
656
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.359
I'm a bazillionaire now. She's a bazillionaire. We have to
657
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.180
worry about zero in our lives. Do you still like,
658
00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:27.279
it's like Conor McGregor when each, every time he tries
659
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:30.859
to make a comeback, like this Conor McGregor, everybody needs
660
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.130
to make a comeback, right? Like he's, he's always, so
661
00:28:33.150 --> 00:28:35.490
it's like, what do you, what is, what is Justin
662
00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:37.670
Herbert truly motivated to go fight for right now? That's
663
00:28:38.210 --> 00:28:40.250
not everyone's Tom Brady who can look at Giselle and
664
00:28:40.289 --> 00:28:43.130
just be like secondary. Like there is very few people
665
00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:46.000
that can do that apparently. So I don't know. It's a,
666
00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:50.769
it's a quandary. David, what's more important to you? or
667
00:28:50.809 --> 00:28:52.549
get in the bag and winning and winning games.
668
00:28:52.630 --> 00:28:54.789
Well, you see, I haven't exactly done either of those.
669
00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:58.710
So I can't, I can't tell you, but I will
670
00:28:58.730 --> 00:29:01.220
say this. And I, I think Justin's also at a
671
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:04.059
point cause you know, and I will, and I do
672
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:07.579
agree with some of the Twitter comments, about Justin Herbert.
673
00:29:07.339 --> 00:29:09.140
Where he gets defended a lot more than a lot
674
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:10.500
of other quarterbacks.
675
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:11.400
Yes.
676
00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:13.369
Saying that he has no help and everything like that.
677
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.609
Compare him and Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts is a Super
678
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.730
Bowl quarterback that consistently gets put below Justin Herbert. Yeah.
679
00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:19.829
I mean, you saw some of the throws.
680
00:29:19.849 --> 00:29:21.130
He played much better in his career.
681
00:29:21.509 --> 00:29:22.950
You saw some of the throws Hurts was making in
682
00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:24.410
week one. Yeah, Hurts is a monster. He was throwing
683
00:29:24.430 --> 00:29:25.730
missiles all around the fucking field.
684
00:29:26.069 --> 00:29:30.460
Mm-hmm. And Justin's probably a little depressed, though, because he
685
00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:33.049
has been like the most sacked guy in the league
686
00:29:33.109 --> 00:29:34.109
for a while now.
687
00:29:34.170 --> 00:29:34.869
I saw a stat.
688
00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:37.549
I think he has actually more sacks and less games
689
00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:39.069
than Andrew Luck did when he retired.
690
00:29:39.089 --> 00:29:39.769
Yeah.
691
00:29:40.529 --> 00:29:44.130
Yeah, so he's getting beat up. Like he's actually getting
692
00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:47.210
beat up. And I don't know if that pairing is
693
00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:49.910
working with hardball just coming off that week one game.
694
00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:52.859
And look, the Cardinals say what you will, even when
695
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.740
they're bad, they're kind of feisty. They're an annoying fucking team.
696
00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:59.400
I've seen them do it to better teams all the time. And,
697
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.240
you know, like you guys said, you're going home to
698
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.700
someone that looks like that. You're a little unhappy with
699
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.160
your– David.
700
00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:10.380
Pull her up jumping up and down and celebrating a touchdown.
701
00:30:10.420 --> 00:30:12.279
And then we can see– I'm not even kidding. Pull
702
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.849
that up because– For research purposes. For research purposes to
703
00:30:15.910 --> 00:30:19.250
find out if all three of us, you know, red-blooded
704
00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:22.809
American men would sit there and think about, man, I
705
00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:25.609
need to go throw another touchdown to a sweaty guy.
706
00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:25.710
Yeah.
707
00:30:26.329 --> 00:30:30.369
And take that chance or– so I don't know. So, Pom,
708
00:30:30.650 --> 00:30:37.700
as he's doing some amazing research, if for whatever reason Harbaugh,
709
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:40.599
Herbert and them go, let's find you a better situation.
710
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.559
This isn't working. And the Jets and Mouge, they give
711
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:45.680
Mouge a call and say, hey, are you interested? You
712
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.019
have three first-round picks. Would you take a change of
713
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.039
scenery in getting Justin Herbert over to the Jets?
714
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.690
Dude, I'll say this, and I've been saying this for
715
00:30:53.710 --> 00:30:54.329
a long time.
716
00:30:54.990 --> 00:31:01.230
Look at that. That is a quality celebration. Go ahead, Tom.
717
00:31:01.289 --> 00:31:03.670
Good for that guy.
718
00:31:03.730 --> 00:31:07.079
Good for him. Yeah, I've said this for a while,
719
00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:08.980
and I think it's actually a detriment to the game,
720
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.440
but it really feels like if you don't have a
721
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.339
top 12 quarterback, you don't have a chance to win
722
00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:17.039
a Super Bowl. You really just don't. So to me...
723
00:31:17.609 --> 00:31:20.160
at whatever cost it is to get a quarterback who's
724
00:31:20.299 --> 00:31:22.640
in the top third, let's say of quarterbacks in the league,
725
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.539
I would overpay for something like that.
726
00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:25.960
1000%.
727
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.420
Now that's coming for me as a bitter jets fan who,
728
00:31:30.089 --> 00:31:32.710
you know, hasn't had a stud quarterback since, you know,
729
00:31:33.170 --> 00:31:35.069
Brett Favre or whatever, or if you want to count
730
00:31:35.089 --> 00:31:39.819
Aaron Rogers, whatever, but you know, we've been quarterback star.
731
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.900
So just to have somebody who, you know, is, is, uh,
732
00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:45.299
very legitimate at the position, I would do it in
733
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:47.079
a second. Absolutely.
734
00:31:47.539 --> 00:31:50.140
And still in his prime because how old is Herbert?
735
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.519
Was he 27?
736
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.039
He's relatively young if I remember correctly.
737
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:57.009
I'm looking up 20 years old.
738
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.720
To your point, he's gotten beat up a lot, but
739
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.299
a lot of these guys are now playing until their
740
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:01.900
late 30s.
741
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.420
You look at the— but you know, though, if you're Herbert,
742
00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:06.880
and I don't think we played them this year, but
743
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.670
if for whatever reason he watches week one and he
744
00:32:09.710 --> 00:32:12.609
looks at that offensive line, like, that's a whole bunch
745
00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:16.849
of filet mignons for him looking, going, wait, Gino had 2.89
746
00:32:16.849 --> 00:32:19.150
seconds to throw the ball and only got rushed— you
747
00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:21.859
know six times and didn't get hit once like i
748
00:32:21.930 --> 00:32:22.720
don't think herbert's.
749
00:32:22.579 --> 00:32:24.740
Ever had a game like that but i'm pretty sure
750
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.039
it was that one time he actually stepped out of
751
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:28.799
pocket and tried to do a little and then he
752
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.279
was incomplete pass but i'm pretty it was like mainly
753
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.380
gino's fault it wasn't a lot like.
754
00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:36.789
Spiked a little screen that he tried to do or
755
00:32:36.849 --> 00:32:38.150
that like going out of bounds i.
756
00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:40.509
No, he stepped up and then he moved over to
757
00:32:40.549 --> 00:32:43.130
the right to make a throw and he got tackled
758
00:32:43.190 --> 00:32:44.690
on his legs and stuff while he was throwing the
759
00:32:44.710 --> 00:32:48.009
ball away. But it wasn't– like the line kept him clean.
760
00:32:48.329 --> 00:32:49.609
His jersey was clean.
761
00:32:50.029 --> 00:32:52.549
Which kind of sucks, right? Because we all have like–
762
00:32:52.710 --> 00:32:54.789
you go to play and especially like you have those
763
00:32:54.849 --> 00:32:56.630
first hit jitters of every game. You just want to
764
00:32:56.650 --> 00:32:59.450
get that first hit in. Okay, and then we could
765
00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:02.799
play ball. And, Pom, you were a safety and receiver
766
00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:04.460
most of your career. But our senior year, you were
767
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.140
our starting QB. Yeah. And, you know, and you are
768
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.960
starting safety with me, but it's like, generally you wanted
769
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.920
that first hit, whether it was, you know, running the
770
00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:14.619
ball or whatever. And could you imagine Gino? It's like,
771
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.119
where's my first hit? I'm really like, I didn't like you.
772
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:20.380
I think everyone just wants to get at least something.
773
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.769
They want to get popped like somewhat. And it's like,
774
00:33:22.789 --> 00:33:24.690
I don't know. I kind of feel bad for Gino.
775
00:33:24.930 --> 00:33:26.349
He has to get hit next game at least once.
776
00:33:27.859 --> 00:33:29.089
I say that and now we're going to be out
777
00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:29.589
for this season.
778
00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:31.329
Yeah, I was going to say, we win one game
779
00:33:31.369 --> 00:33:32.690
and all of a sudden now he's mad our quarterback
780
00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:33.490
didn't get sacked more.
781
00:33:33.710 --> 00:33:34.490
All right, come on, man.
782
00:33:34.549 --> 00:33:38.880
Yeah, really. I'm perfectly fine with him standing there as
783
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.220
long as he fucking wants to.
784
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.180
Yeah, yeah.
785
00:33:41.500 --> 00:33:41.640
So.
786
00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:43.529
I'd rather him have the jitters.
787
00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:46.990
I agree. So Nate G is saying, what Ben Johnson
788
00:33:47.009 --> 00:33:49.640
has done for the Bears is incredible. Al Harris too.
789
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.200
Everywhere Harris goes, the defense leads the league in turnovers.
790
00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:55.240
Hopefully we can get an interception. We still have not
791
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.509
gotten one. This is now, what is it, 18 games
792
00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:02.009
with no interception for the Jets. But who's counting? Nate
793
00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:04.789
G also saying, throwing tutties won't take half your money
794
00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:09.289
when CTE sets in and she leaves. But, Nate, did
795
00:34:09.329 --> 00:34:11.869
you just see Madison Beer dancing to that touchdown, okay?
796
00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:13.869
Yeah, Herbert might be here for a good time, not
797
00:34:13.889 --> 00:34:15.789
a long time. You don't know how it's going to
798
00:34:15.809 --> 00:34:16.119
work out.
799
00:34:16.349 --> 00:34:18.659
I feel like if you're Madison Beer, you're looking at
800
00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:20.679
Justin Herbert and going, bitch, you're signing the prenup. I'm
801
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:24.199
worth significantly more than you because she is. That's like
802
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.480
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey is a pauper
803
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:28.940
compared to Taylor Swift.
804
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.659
I'm happy you brought up Travis Kelsey because I don't
805
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.210
know if you saw this. Hit your timeline. But he's
806
00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:37.769
been named as a victim in a massive Ponzi scheme
807
00:34:37.809 --> 00:34:42.730
that pulled more than $ 35 million from investors. Siddharth Jawahar,
808
00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:47.250
a 38-year-old illegal immigrant, pleaded guilty to three counts of
809
00:34:47.289 --> 00:34:49.630
wire fraud and now been sentenced to 11 years in
810
00:34:49.690 --> 00:34:52.389
federal prison in order to pay more than $ 31 million
811
00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:56.239
in restitution. And so Travis Kelsey apparently bought into whatever
812
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:56.980
the fuck this was.
813
00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:00.429
Travis Kelsey does seem like a retard. So let's be honest.
814
00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:02.210
And that's been the response from everyone.
815
00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:04.949
It's like, if you asked me for one player in
816
00:35:04.969 --> 00:35:08.179
the NFL that actually got defrauded like this into a
817
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.099
Ponzi scheme, they would answer Travis Kelsey.
818
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:11.900
It would have been Gronk if Gronk was still playing.
819
00:35:12.099 --> 00:35:12.760
Yeah.
820
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:15.619
Travis Kelsey now takes that. Because, listen, they are both
821
00:35:16.489 --> 00:35:19.190
the linebacker from Blue Mountain State. That is who both
822
00:35:19.230 --> 00:35:21.670
of them are. They are just football players and they're retarded.
823
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:23.530
And that's okay. And you're allowed to be.
824
00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:24.210
But.
825
00:35:24.590 --> 00:35:25.889
And speaking of Travis Kelsey, he had a pretty nice
826
00:35:25.909 --> 00:35:28.400
game this week. Everyone's writing him off. I think he
827
00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:30.260
had a few nice catches this weekend. He scored a touchdown.
828
00:35:30.570 --> 00:35:31.170
He did. He certainly did.
829
00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:32.239
Yeah, go ahead, pal.
830
00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:34.869
I was going to say, is it a coincidence that
831
00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:38.000
as Alex so eloquently put, he's a retarded football player.
832
00:35:38.019 --> 00:35:40.340
He was also the face of pushing the COVID vaccine.
833
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:43.599
Someone put that on Twitter as.
834
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:45.400
Well.
835
00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:45.920
Coincidence.
836
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:48.570
I mean, it's like funny too. It's like, cause like
837
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.969
when you look at Travis and even his brother, Jason
838
00:35:50.989 --> 00:35:54.570
Kelsey was also a retard. Uh, they present as like
839
00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:56.929
that homely, nice guy. And like, when you listen to
840
00:35:56.949 --> 00:35:59.130
our podcast, for the most part, they're pretty entertaining. Um,
841
00:36:00.130 --> 00:36:03.199
But then, yeah, when it comes to pushing vaccines and stuff,
842
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.340
they were both very much on the lockdowns, very much
843
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:11.920
on the vaccines, very much on the masking. And it's like, eh,
844
00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:15.480
you're not tough guys anymore. If that's where you live, yes,
845
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:17.900
you could shove me inside of a soda can, but
846
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.480
you're still a bitch. That's just where it comes from.
847
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:24.949
Caveat to I saying, no, they didn't. Chiefs got lucky. Yeah,
848
00:36:24.969 --> 00:36:28.530
the Broncos looked great, caveat. So palm for reference, Rollin
849
00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:32.710
is a Broncos fan. caveat saying broncos made a lot
850
00:36:32.750 --> 00:36:34.230
of dumb mistakes i mean.
851
00:36:34.409 --> 00:36:36.630
To be fair to the broncos i don't think bo
852
00:36:36.989 --> 00:36:40.440
was ready off of his injury and also i i
853
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.820
don't think they're ready for fucking kenneth walker to be
854
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:46.139
quite honest with you i people forgot about kenneth walker
855
00:36:46.179 --> 00:36:49.199
and he had to remind everyone did.
856
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:51.590
You see um bo nix's answer when a reporter asked
857
00:36:51.619 --> 00:36:53.630
him about the intersection and he was like i dropped
858
00:36:53.650 --> 00:36:56.849
back and i threw it to the other team I
859
00:36:56.889 --> 00:36:59.329
love that these are some of the answers these reporters
860
00:36:59.369 --> 00:37:01.639
are getting. It's like, what do you want? You wanted
861
00:37:01.659 --> 00:37:03.800
to break down what I was supposed to be looking
862
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.239
for in the defense and where the alignment was. You
863
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.440
won't understand that. Shut the fuck up. What a bad question.
864
00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:13.789
So where do I want to finish? Oh, let's talk
865
00:37:13.809 --> 00:37:18.010
about Josh Allen, the luckiest motherfucker on the planet. That
866
00:37:18.050 --> 00:37:22.329
game was over. Pom, did you watch the Bills-Texans game?
867
00:37:22.349 --> 00:37:24.559
Because it queued to the end of it after the Jets.
868
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:27.519
Dude, that's one game I didn't see this weekend. I'll
869
00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:30.780
defer to you guys. Yeah, I saw the final, but
870
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.130
you tell me what you guys thought about it.
871
00:37:32.409 --> 00:37:34.769
So after the Jets game was over, it went to
872
00:37:34.809 --> 00:37:40.170
that for coverage. The Bills were driving. Dave, they were
873
00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:44.010
up 36-30, right? I think the Texans. It was something
874
00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:44.269
like that.
875
00:37:44.289 --> 00:37:49.090
No, it was closer than that because after a touchdown,
876
00:37:49.710 --> 00:37:51.650
the Texans needed a touchdown.
877
00:37:51.809 --> 00:37:53.739
Then it was like a five-point difference. It was like
878
00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:57.880
32 or something. Josh Allen's at the 40- or 30-yard
879
00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.199
line on the other side, the Texans' side. He throws
880
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.219
a bomb into the end zone. When I tell you, Pom,
881
00:38:04.780 --> 00:38:08.440
it was a punt. to the, to the D it
882
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.510
was basically, it was basically a punt. And the D-back
883
00:38:11.530 --> 00:38:13.750
drops it. And then the very next play, Josh Allen
884
00:38:13.769 --> 00:38:17.590
scores a touchdown. And it was like, he's the luckiest motherfucker.
885
00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:19.650
It's not like he didn't, he did.
886
00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:21.150
He played well all game.
887
00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:23.230
Josh Allen played a great game.
888
00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:24.769
MVP level game.
889
00:38:25.090 --> 00:38:28.309
But it's just annoying because he threw the most interceptable
890
00:38:28.349 --> 00:38:31.019
ball possible. And the Texas defense.
891
00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:33.400
Said, no, thank you, sir. You can still play the game.
892
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:34.920
It's funny you say that.
893
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.019
Cause I didn't, I didn't see it live, but, um,
894
00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:39.829
and I'm not comparing him to Tom Brady, but he
895
00:38:39.889 --> 00:38:42.920
has like that, that Tom Brady thing where like the,
896
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.050
the ball always bounces the right way for him. I feel,
897
00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:45.880
I mean, maybe that's the.
898
00:38:45.860 --> 00:38:49.030
Bitter, unless it's the playoffs, unless it's the AFC championship.
899
00:38:49.070 --> 00:38:51.150
That's the only time. This is the AFC championship. Fine.
900
00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:54.349
But yeah, dude, the guy can, that can do no wrong, man.
901
00:38:54.409 --> 00:38:54.809
I love him.
902
00:38:54.889 --> 00:38:55.230
I hate that.
903
00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:55.579
I love him.
904
00:38:55.590 --> 00:38:57.829
Cause he's on the bills, but he's a player and
905
00:38:57.849 --> 00:38:59.409
he's an absolute stick at golf too.
906
00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:01.960
He's, you know what though too. And it's like, I
907
00:39:02.019 --> 00:39:04.719
hated it because obviously we all, you know, are guilty
908
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.019
of falling into the reels.
909
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:06.280
Right.
910
00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:09.639
And one of them was like, Someone titled it like,
911
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:11.650
you'll never make me hate Josh Allen. So I'm like, go,
912
00:39:11.670 --> 00:39:13.210
let me fucking hate this guy. And then it was
913
00:39:13.230 --> 00:39:15.829
a video of him just going to like a consistently
914
00:39:15.849 --> 00:39:18.809
going to like a children's hospital in Buffalo, being super
915
00:39:18.829 --> 00:39:21.329
nice to fans. And here I am like, fuck this guy.
916
00:39:21.369 --> 00:39:24.889
I hate him. He's so nice. Like, oh, he just
917
00:39:24.909 --> 00:39:26.570
seems like a nice guy. Like, you know what?
918
00:39:26.889 --> 00:39:28.900
I don't like him. He flops too much. I'll use
919
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.460
that big and you flop. That's bitch move. That's bitch move.
920
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.960
I'll hate you on the field, but you know what though?
921
00:39:33.980 --> 00:39:35.599
Here's the thing as a competitor, I'll hate him. And
922
00:39:35.619 --> 00:39:37.860
it's similar to Tom Brady, right? I always respect Tom
923
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.699
Brady for how he played, but I hate the guy
924
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:40.260
for what he did.
925
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:40.559
Right.
926
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.030
And it seems like with Josh Allen, it's like, I
927
00:39:43.110 --> 00:39:47.110
enjoy celebrities and athletes that get it, but, It really
928
00:39:47.150 --> 00:39:49.949
seems like Josh Allen gets it. He understands who he
929
00:39:50.110 --> 00:39:53.530
is to Buffalo, to his fans, and he's the type
930
00:39:53.570 --> 00:39:56.449
of guy that will go. As everyone else in the
931
00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:58.820
locker room, he'll be their last signing autographs. He will
932
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.500
take the time to go to the Children's Hospital. On
933
00:40:01.539 --> 00:40:03.900
the field, I hope he has explosive diarrhea every time
934
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.860
he plays the Jets. Off the field, I can't dislike
935
00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:12.269
off the field Josh Allen. Again, another guy that has
936
00:40:12.309 --> 00:40:14.920
the ability to have a smoking hot wife and still
937
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.340
play football pretty well because he has Haley Steinfeld that
938
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.340
he just had a kid with. Good for him. Again,
939
00:40:21.409 --> 00:40:24.110
the comparison to Tom Brady, hot wife, able to ignore
940
00:40:24.230 --> 00:40:25.849
and still play well. Good for him.
941
00:40:26.650 --> 00:40:29.610
I'd rather, I'd rather this, the distinction where, uh, I
942
00:40:29.670 --> 00:40:31.500
actually like Josh Allen. Like I like to see him
943
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.280
play well or whatever. I've had him in fantasy a
944
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.760
few times. So I got to watch him a lot.
945
00:40:35.019 --> 00:40:36.960
That's why you, because I care about fantasy.
946
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:38.039
That's the only reason.
947
00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.360
But, but dude, I'm such a petty jets fan. Dude,
948
00:40:40.389 --> 00:40:43.710
you'll still find me in some random Twitter thread, making
949
00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:47.159
the argument. unsuccessfully that Peyton Manning was a better quarterback
950
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.480
than Tom Brady, dude. I just get absolutely flamed.
951
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.039
But you have to, you have to.
952
00:40:52.179 --> 00:40:55.340
Well, here's the thing though. We all have to hate
953
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.480
Peyton Manning now too, because he gave us fucking Adam Gase.
954
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.800
The only reason Adam Gase was our head coach is
955
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.739
because Peyton convinced Woody to sign him. And then, oh no.
956
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.730
So it's one of those things where it's like, now
957
00:41:06.809 --> 00:41:08.610
I have to hate Peyton because then Peyton talks shit
958
00:41:08.630 --> 00:41:09.150
about the team.
959
00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:10.110
Yeah, exactly.
960
00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:12.389
It's like Peyton can eat a dick too.
961
00:41:12.650 --> 00:41:12.929
Okay.
962
00:41:13.269 --> 00:41:16.500
Like, I hate them all. Give me Drew Brees, okay?
963
00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:18.179
Short kings for life. Drew Brees is a short king.
964
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:18.860
Short kings for life.
965
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:21.420
There you go. Short kings for life. So Doug Flutie,
966
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.719
Drew Brees. I'm all in there. So what do we
967
00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:27.119
think for the Packers? I'm going full circle. Are we
968
00:41:27.139 --> 00:41:29.199
getting the dub this weekend? Pom, what do you think?
969
00:41:31.349 --> 00:41:31.909
Come on, dude.
970
00:41:31.949 --> 00:41:33.230
Don't make me say this. It's happening.
971
00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:37.840
Okay, yeah.
972
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.260
I'm going to assume we're all going to say the
973
00:41:40.300 --> 00:41:42.199
Jets are going to win.
974
00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:44.769
Before you say anything, this is the field we're playing on.
975
00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:46.329
How pretty is that?
976
00:41:46.670 --> 00:41:47.530
Look at that.
977
00:41:48.489 --> 00:41:52.210
I love the white on green secondary logo in the
978
00:41:52.289 --> 00:41:56.170
end zones because we have a Jet finally. They actually
979
00:41:56.210 --> 00:41:57.010
are using a Jet.
980
00:41:57.789 --> 00:42:03.190
It's pretty. This is sick, by the way. What's the
981
00:42:03.230 --> 00:42:04.739
weather Sunday? It's raining.
982
00:42:05.010 --> 00:42:05.730
It's heavy rain.
983
00:42:05.769 --> 00:42:08.750
Right now the prediction is that heavy, heavy rain. So
984
00:42:08.769 --> 00:42:10.969
a lot of running, which I think benefits us.
985
00:42:11.070 --> 00:42:11.969
Breeze some Braille in time.
986
00:42:12.690 --> 00:42:15.309
Let's say, I'll say Jets 24-20.
987
00:42:18.050 --> 00:42:18.710
David, what do you think?
988
00:42:18.969 --> 00:42:19.710
And these are the threads.
989
00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:23.090
Oh, that's sick. That's so sick. Yeah.
990
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.300
I'm going to go in a similar way. I think
991
00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:29.199
we put up 27. I think they put up 20.
992
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.079
We'll go 20.
993
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.820
I think it's sloppy and ugly in 16-10. I think
994
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.409
the Jets' defense does well because there's not going to
995
00:42:37.429 --> 00:42:41.510
be as much passing. But I'm thinking 16-10. And also, Dave,
996
00:42:41.530 --> 00:42:44.650
did you see what Eugene wore to practice today with
997
00:42:44.670 --> 00:42:45.349
the white helmet?
998
00:42:45.550 --> 00:42:46.090
The black jersey.
999
00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:48.940
A black jersey and green. He just looked like a Frankenstein.
1000
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:53.760
But I'm excited. I'm excited. And that means that we're
1001
00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:56.099
going to lose because every time I'm excited, they rip
1002
00:42:56.139 --> 00:42:59.300
our fucking hearts out. So that's just, so let's get
1003
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.300
to some comments here. Nate, you saying Emmett Johnson look
1004
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.849
good too. He certainly did. And then he said, kids
1005
00:43:04.889 --> 00:43:05.769
going to be really good.
1006
00:43:05.829 --> 00:43:06.030
Yes.
1007
00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:10.019
Caveatai saying he wasn't lucky last year against the Broncos
1008
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.969
in the playoffs. Yeah, but the Broncos weren't lucky either
1009
00:43:11.989 --> 00:43:13.909
when your quarterback took a knee and broke.
1010
00:43:13.750 --> 00:43:15.289
His left foot. I was going to say the Patriots
1011
00:43:15.389 --> 00:43:18.329
were the luckiest out of that. That's who was lucky
1012
00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:18.949
last year.
1013
00:43:19.110 --> 00:43:24.989
The schedule. That's it. Caveat saying Peyton Manning was a
1014
00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:26.300
better quarterback than Tom Brady.
1015
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.579
Dude, I almost have the argument memorized by now. I mean,
1016
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.780
obviously the five– The five-time MVP, obviously. Listen, he's got
1017
00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:36.679
two Super Bowls in his own right. If you just
1018
00:43:36.699 --> 00:43:39.119
want to count rings, then Bill Russell's the greatest basketball
1019
00:43:39.139 --> 00:43:40.920
player of all time. But nobody makes that argument because
1020
00:43:40.940 --> 00:43:43.880
it's not all about rings. And Peyton does have two.
1021
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.539
He's 3-2, I believe, against Brady in the AFC Championship game.
1022
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.800
Does that make Mark Sanchez better than both of them?
1023
00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:52.800
Because I think he's like 3-1 against them.
1024
00:43:56.230 --> 00:43:59.739
Playoff success can't be the only thing. It's a team sport.
1025
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.059
So yeah, it counts for something. But if you're asking
1026
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.980
me who is the best to ever play the position
1027
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.619
that I've ever seen in my life, obviously I never
1028
00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:11.550
really saw Prime Marino play. But I think Peyton Manning
1029
00:44:11.590 --> 00:44:13.250
is the best to ever play the position. You want
1030
00:44:13.269 --> 00:44:16.429
to say Tom Brady had the best career, fine. But dude,
1031
00:44:16.449 --> 00:44:17.050
for me, it's Peyton.
1032
00:44:17.809 --> 00:44:20.269
I mean, my biggest issue with Peyton is people forget
1033
00:44:20.369 --> 00:44:22.110
that for the first six or seven years, he couldn't
1034
00:44:22.130 --> 00:44:24.599
get out of the first round. It wasn't like he
1035
00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:26.579
couldn't go deep in the playoffs. He would get in
1036
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:28.570
the first round and lose, and that was the biggest
1037
00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:29.989
knock on him.
1038
00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:32.090
I think it still is. It still is.
1039
00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:36.019
He would have amazing regular seasons, and he would go
1040
00:44:36.059 --> 00:44:38.079
and do things, and then for whatever reason in the
1041
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.639
first round. And it wasn't like– and you say it's
1042
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.920
a team game, and it is. But it wasn't like
1043
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.960
they were losing and he was getting four touchdowns. It
1044
00:44:44.980 --> 00:44:48.719
was like four interception bad first round. So it's like
1045
00:44:49.059 --> 00:44:51.409
that is a huge knock where it's the opposite with
1046
00:44:51.449 --> 00:44:55.610
Tom Terrific, where he would not be the best regular season.
1047
00:44:55.630 --> 00:44:57.489
He'd be one of the best. But then the moment
1048
00:44:57.530 --> 00:45:00.460
the playoffs hit. Here he is throwing to guys you've
1049
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:03.699
never heard of. His first two or three Super Bowls
1050
00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:09.039
were the non-legendary Tim Brown, Deion Branch, and there was
1051
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.570
a third wide receiver I don't remember. That was before Gronk,
1052
00:45:12.710 --> 00:45:16.389
before Hernandez. He was handing the ball off to Kevin Falk,
1053
00:45:16.710 --> 00:45:20.050
who no one's going to mistake for Marshall Falk. They
1054
00:45:20.070 --> 00:45:22.230
had a great defense. I will say that. Vince Wilfork,
1055
00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:28.260
Teddy Bruschi, they were amazing. But Tom won Super Bowls
1056
00:45:28.460 --> 00:45:31.760
with guys on offense. And it wasn't– his first real
1057
00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:37.440
great player was Randy Moss. So that's the difference. You
1058
00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:41.570
can argue Manning had Harrison. Manning had Reggie Wayne. Manning–
1059
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:42.420
Joseph Adai?
1060
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:42.800
Meh.
1061
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.550
Okay. He created Joseph Adai. But he had Dallas Clark.
1062
00:45:45.619 --> 00:45:48.750
People forget how fucking good Dallas Clark was. So– and
1063
00:45:48.769 --> 00:45:50.969
he also had a really good offensive line. Reggie Wayne.
1064
00:45:51.820 --> 00:45:53.420
I'm not saying I believe my argument.
1065
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:53.940
I'm just saying.
1066
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.000
Well, Pom, if you want some help with your argument,
1067
00:45:58.019 --> 00:45:59.739
I don't know if you follow Barry on Twitter.
1068
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:00.820
David Perry.
1069
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:04.219
Oh, he's a huge Tom Brady hater, right?
1070
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:04.539
Yes.
1071
00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:07.380
In fact, he's always bringing up stats to actually help
1072
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.130
your argument. Will Vick was making fun of Bo Nix.
1073
00:46:10.949 --> 00:46:14.829
averaged at the target 3.6 yards. Average American watches TV
1074
00:46:14.849 --> 00:46:20.429
from about 3.67 yards. And he said Tom Brady's average position, 55,
1075
00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:20.969
was 3.43.
1076
00:46:20.969 --> 00:46:24.329
In Super Bowl XLIX, 3.56. He won Super Bowl MVP
1077
00:46:24.349 --> 00:46:27.889
both times. So you want something to help with your argument?
1078
00:46:27.949 --> 00:46:31.269
Just poach off Barry because he actually has some pretty
1079
00:46:31.349 --> 00:46:33.329
fun stuff to make fun of Tom with.
1080
00:46:33.349 --> 00:46:33.969
I'm not going to lie.
1081
00:46:34.449 --> 00:46:37.530
Dude, that's a great follow, by the way. Yes.
1082
00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:40.559
Yeah. Barry is a good follow. So if you were
1083
00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:42.940
to hear caveat ties being a jerk saying three to
1084
00:46:42.980 --> 00:46:47.719
seven Packers, I'm not happy with that, Rollin. Not happy
1085
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.070
with that at all. Don't do that.
1086
00:46:49.110 --> 00:46:51.010
Dude, I will say, if the score is anything close
1087
00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:53.750
to what you said, Cuesta, 16-10 or some really low score,
1088
00:46:53.849 --> 00:46:54.989
I think the Jets win that game.
1089
00:46:55.010 --> 00:46:56.550
Oh, yeah. It's a sloppy beat.
1090
00:46:56.650 --> 00:46:57.070
For real.
1091
00:46:57.090 --> 00:47:03.329
Yeah, for real. It's really hard. You can have good
1092
00:47:03.369 --> 00:47:05.809
versus bad team, but it is hard to destroy a
1093
00:47:05.869 --> 00:47:08.730
team on both sides of the football on the line
1094
00:47:08.750 --> 00:47:10.929
because typically the line play is where you'll get a
1095
00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:13.659
little bit more even, some more tit for tat, and
1096
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.780
the skills is where it's a big. The Jets demolish
1097
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.199
the Titans on both sides of the line. And I
1098
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.960
think that's something that carries over, where four out of
1099
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.780
these five guys on the Jets started every game for
1100
00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:27.780
the team last year. Dylan Parnum was a 17-game starter
1101
00:47:27.820 --> 00:47:30.670
last year and was every bit the part this game
1102
00:47:30.769 --> 00:47:34.110
of a really good guard. So I think that offensive
1103
00:47:34.150 --> 00:47:36.630
line is not going to take a step back. I
1104
00:47:36.670 --> 00:47:39.210
think they're going to play well again, and that really helps.
1105
00:47:39.829 --> 00:47:41.789
Now we'll see about the D-line, right? Because this is
1106
00:47:41.829 --> 00:47:45.239
a different animal. This is Jordan Love, who's not Cam Ward.
1107
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.090
This is... Watson and a really good receiver.
1108
00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:50.690
It's also going to be really interesting because they're going
1109
00:47:50.710 --> 00:47:55.949
from Brian Flores, who's fucking madman 82. Bring that up, David.
1110
00:47:56.250 --> 00:47:57.190
You need to bring that up.
1111
00:47:58.550 --> 00:48:00.360
By the way, while he's looking for that, what's the
1112
00:48:00.380 --> 00:48:01.039
spread this weekend?
1113
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:01.599
What's the line?
1114
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:02.280
I think it.
1115
00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:04.340
Was four and a half. It started off as four
1116
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:04.659
and a half.
1117
00:48:04.699 --> 00:48:06.440
I thought it got down to three and a half.
1118
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:11.199
Was it down? So it's In a way, they're saying
1119
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:14.500
Packers plus six because the home team always gets minus three.
1120
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.010
So if you're going Packers minus three, I'd say they're
1121
00:48:18.030 --> 00:48:19.849
thinking the Jets will lose by six at least.
1122
00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:22.730
Yes, this is a graph of defensive pressure rate versus
1123
00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:26.489
blitz rate, especially early downs. The Vikings up in the
1124
00:48:26.750 --> 00:48:30.179
80th percentile are just off the fucking graph. This is
1125
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.960
what Brian Flores did to the Packers and Jordan Love.
1126
00:48:33.579 --> 00:48:36.059
They might have some PTSD after this game.
1127
00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:39.820
So listen, Pom, I did the stats. So Brian Flores
1128
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:45.059
blitzed on, what was it, 82% of plays for the defense.
1129
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.400
The Packers ran 67 offensive plays. That means this fucking
1130
00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:49.719
madman blitzed on 56 of 67 plays.
1131
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.559
Dude, he lapped the field according to this chart. I mean, Jesus.
1132
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:55.719
That's incredible.
1133
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:59.139
It's incredible, buddy. The Jets were in third on how
1134
00:48:59.179 --> 00:49:01.579
many blitzes, and we called it like 40-something percent of
1135
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.219
the time. We called it near half the game we
1136
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.639
were blitzing. But it was nowhere fucking near Brian Flores.
1137
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.599
But Dan Quinn was the second with 50% was a
1138
00:49:09.619 --> 00:49:12.380
Brian Flores per day. So it's like the two mad
1139
00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:15.280
lads were up top. But um some more on the
1140
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.940
comments here nate saying no way payton was not i'm
1141
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.579
saying he's saying the best so yeah um caveat i
1142
00:49:21.619 --> 00:49:25.369
saying i probably agree with them brady had better teams
1143
00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:27.369
i don't agree with that i don't agree that brady
1144
00:49:27.570 --> 00:49:30.210
brady had a better defense brady had a better defense
1145
00:49:30.250 --> 00:49:32.150
up until the super bowl years because i think that
1146
00:49:32.769 --> 00:49:35.449
uh Peyton's defense certainly helped. He had the two best
1147
00:49:35.550 --> 00:49:39.030
rushing defensive ends. He had Bob Sanders just actually killing
1148
00:49:39.050 --> 00:49:41.119
people back there. It was like a 5-8 freight train.
1149
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.519
Yeah, but he was never healthy, though, unfortunately.
1150
00:49:43.539 --> 00:49:45.400
I just like watching him kill people, okay? It was fun.
1151
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.949
Nate T saying, Tom Brady, H2H, head-to-head is 11-6. Yeah, yeah,
1152
00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:54.769
but those were always fun. Again, a few of those
1153
00:49:54.829 --> 00:50:00.300
were first-round playoff games where Tom Ape Peyton's lunch. Caveatizing
1154
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.880
John Elway was the best ever. You could certainly argue
1155
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.739
that John Elway is ridiculous. The helicopter play will always
1156
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:09.539
be legend, but John Elway is another one that couldn't
1157
00:50:09.579 --> 00:50:12.139
get over the hump for most of his career until
1158
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:12.840
he won too late.
1159
00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:18.630
If you don't care about rings, I think Dan Marino, dude,
1160
00:50:18.650 --> 00:50:21.769
throwing for 5,000 yards in whatever it was, 1983. I mean,
1161
00:50:21.789 --> 00:50:24.329
if you put him into today's NFL, I think he
1162
00:50:24.349 --> 00:50:25.010
clears everybody.
1163
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.679
Jim Kelly, then you'd have to argue. Jim Kelly got
1164
00:50:27.699 --> 00:50:30.449
the four Super Bowls, right? Jim Kelly got the four
1165
00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:33.250
Super Bowls. And again, it wasn't all on him. He
1166
00:50:33.289 --> 00:50:36.429
had Thurman Thomas and things like that. But people forget
1167
00:50:36.469 --> 00:50:39.210
Jim Kelly exists. And again, he's a Bills. I hate
1168
00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:42.730
the Bills. But you don't get to four Super Bowls
1169
00:50:42.769 --> 00:50:45.739
by mistake. You're one of the greatest quarterbacks and no
1170
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.019
one cares about him. Nate, you're saying Peyton couldn't win
1171
00:50:49.219 --> 00:50:51.900
one until Rex Grossman lined up against him. It's a
1172
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.239
good point. It's a very good point. Rex Grossman was balls.
1173
00:50:55.699 --> 00:50:56.139
All right.
1174
00:50:56.179 --> 00:50:58.050
But if we want to pick apart Peyton's win, I
1175
00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:00.170
mean Tom Brady's first win, he did almost nothing. The
1176
00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:01.070
defense won that game.
1177
00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:01.530
Come on.
1178
00:51:02.070 --> 00:51:04.789
Adam Vinatieri won all of them. Let's really be honest.
1179
00:51:05.269 --> 00:51:07.349
Adam Vinatieri and then who do they have right after
1180
00:51:07.389 --> 00:51:11.809
him that basically was Vinatieri's clone? Oh. Gronkowski.
1181
00:51:11.869 --> 00:51:12.929
Gronkowski.
1182
00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:14.469
Gronkowski. Gronkowski. Gronkowski.
1183
00:51:14.510 --> 00:51:15.909
How did they do that? It's like when they had
1184
00:51:15.949 --> 00:51:19.019
Wes Welker and then they just basically created Julian Edelman out.
1185
00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:20.519
Of a lab as a clone. Yeah, they just cloned him.
1186
00:51:20.900 --> 00:51:22.900
Like what the fuck? Like how did they do that?
1187
00:51:23.630 --> 00:51:26.110
We can't find a kicker or a quarterback for the
1188
00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:28.429
last 50 years, and they could just make people in
1189
00:51:28.449 --> 00:51:32.610
a lab. I hate these people so much. Nate, he's saying, yeah,
1190
00:51:32.650 --> 00:51:34.969
without rings, it's hard to argue against Dan the man
1191
00:51:35.329 --> 00:51:37.769
decades ahead of his time. But here, guys, what are
1192
00:51:37.789 --> 00:51:38.909
we going to argue with Dan? He made it to
1193
00:51:39.010 --> 00:51:42.449
one Super Bowl his first year, lost, and never got
1194
00:51:42.530 --> 00:51:45.989
close again. Yes, he was great, but he had really
1195
00:51:46.010 --> 00:51:50.199
good wide receivers. Like, he had Clayton and, God, I'm
1196
00:51:50.219 --> 00:51:51.780
blanking on his name, but he had two really good
1197
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.559
wide receivers in the NFL. And he had the less
1198
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.400
good version of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who got sued because he
1199
00:51:58.420 --> 00:52:02.909
took the real Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's name. But, I mean, it's
1200
00:52:02.949 --> 00:52:06.170
not like he– I take guys that go to the
1201
00:52:06.190 --> 00:52:08.110
Super Bowls, at least get there multiple times and then
1202
00:52:08.170 --> 00:52:11.280
win some. The regular season argument is like, okay, Charles
1203
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.039
Barkley was great. You're never putting him in the top
1204
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:17.849
five because he never won a ring. So– I don't know.
1205
00:52:17.889 --> 00:52:19.889
Rings do matter. They're not the only thing, but they
1206
00:52:19.909 --> 00:52:20.250
do matter.
1207
00:52:20.409 --> 00:52:22.349
Top five of what, though? Like all time?
1208
00:52:22.789 --> 00:52:24.889
All time. He's a top five power forward, but not
1209
00:52:25.090 --> 00:52:25.780
of everyone.
1210
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:29.679
Because even then, with the top five, you don't necessarily
1211
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.820
need a ring argument in the NBA for that still.
1212
00:52:32.219 --> 00:52:34.960
But I was going to say, top five power forward,
1213
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:35.960
you're out of your fucking mind.
1214
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.920
Oh, yeah. He's a top five power forward.
1215
00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:39.059
Yeah.
1216
00:52:39.099 --> 00:52:42.199
Well, listen, I'm also of the unpopular position that Kobe's
1217
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.880
not even possibly top 10 because he can't. He's not
1218
00:52:44.900 --> 00:52:47.880
even the best Laker. So- You can make that.
1219
00:52:47.980 --> 00:52:49.400
Is Kobe a top three Laker?
1220
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:54.429
No. No. He's not better than Shaq.
1221
00:52:54.989 --> 00:52:55.789
No, I'm not.
1222
00:52:56.070 --> 00:52:56.429
I'm not.
1223
00:52:56.730 --> 00:52:58.730
I mean, he's not better than Kareem. He's not better
1224
00:52:58.750 --> 00:52:59.550
than James Worthy.
1225
00:52:59.570 --> 00:53:01.170
Magic?
1226
00:53:01.909 --> 00:53:04.289
No, he's maybe the fifth best Laker of all time.
1227
00:53:04.829 --> 00:53:07.670
Is LeBron a Laker? I don't consider LeBron a Laker.
1228
00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:09.449
LeBron's a top 10 Laker with what he was able
1229
00:53:09.469 --> 00:53:11.210
to do, but I think, you know.
1230
00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:12.250
For his time, yeah.
1231
00:53:12.269 --> 00:53:14.429
For his time, but he's a Cavalier and he's a
1232
00:53:14.449 --> 00:53:15.460
Heat member more than anything.
1233
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.199
And I hate saying that because everybody loves Kobe or whatever,
1234
00:53:18.219 --> 00:53:21.159
the gamesmanship and everything, but I don't know. I think
1235
00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:24.519
he's just a little bit too high up most people's lists.
1236
00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:28.780
Yeah, yeah. Although it's people like him as a player.
1237
00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:33.849
That's really about it. He has the rings and everything
1238
00:53:33.889 --> 00:53:35.769
and all that. Don't get me wrong. He was great,
1239
00:53:35.989 --> 00:53:38.030
but he's not the best in his franchise. You can't
1240
00:53:38.070 --> 00:53:40.289
put him as a top five player unless your other
1241
00:53:40.349 --> 00:53:44.349
four are also Lakers. Like that's honestly just– it's the
1242
00:53:44.389 --> 00:53:48.750
unfortunate truth about Kobe being Bryant. And again, people like
1243
00:53:48.789 --> 00:53:52.489
to forget that when– Pom, when we would play backyard
1244
00:53:52.550 --> 00:53:55.369
basketball and you were just throwing up a whole lot
1245
00:53:55.409 --> 00:53:57.590
of shit that wasn't going to go in, what did
1246
00:53:57.610 --> 00:54:00.920
you yell because you knew who sometimes he would just chuck? Kobe. Kobe.
1247
00:54:01.429 --> 00:54:02.130
That's all we need.
1248
00:54:02.150 --> 00:54:02.650
Yo, Kobe.
1249
00:54:02.769 --> 00:54:03.329
Every time.
1250
00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:05.989
I disagree with the framing of that. We won't get
1251
00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:08.210
into this too much, but I disagree with the framing
1252
00:54:08.690 --> 00:54:11.820
that it was because you didn't know if it was
1253
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.719
going to go in. No, it's because he made circus shots.
1254
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.239
That's why. Not because it was just bullshit.
1255
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:21.500
But Kobe was also a volume shooter.
1256
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:22.380
Yeah, no doubt.
1257
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.360
And he would shoot 40 times a game. Even if
1258
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.780
Shaq was going, Shaq would have to take the ball
1259
00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:28.789
from Kobe because Kobe just shot.
1260
00:54:29.570 --> 00:54:32.349
But what I'm saying is the framing of, oh, I
1261
00:54:32.369 --> 00:54:35.099
didn't think it was going to– no, it was– This
1262
00:54:35.380 --> 00:54:38.860
is something that he would still make. It's something that's
1263
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:41.480
out of my field, but it's something that I've seen.
1264
00:54:41.980 --> 00:54:44.730
It's not, oh, this is just random bullshit. Go. I
1265
00:54:44.769 --> 00:54:46.150
disagree with that framing.
1266
00:54:46.409 --> 00:54:48.929
I'll tell you right now, and again, Pom will attest
1267
00:54:48.949 --> 00:54:52.309
to this. If you were throwing something, especially in trash cans, right?
1268
00:54:52.329 --> 00:54:54.090
We did it all the time. You'd be from across
1269
00:54:54.130 --> 00:54:55.739
the room. What would we do, Pom? We'd yell, Kobe.
1270
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:56.860
And just toss it.
1271
00:54:56.860 --> 00:54:58.550
Because Kobe threw up bullshit. When you went to the
1272
00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:01.090
classroom and did a fadeaway paper ball throw and it
1273
00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:03.230
went in, dude, and you yelled Kobe, there was nothing
1274
00:55:03.250 --> 00:55:03.789
better than that.
1275
00:55:04.030 --> 00:55:06.570
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that that did not happen.
1276
00:55:06.650 --> 00:55:10.329
I'm saying your framing of why you said it is incorrect.
1277
00:55:10.650 --> 00:55:11.570
That's what I'm saying.
1278
00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:14.889
Anyone that's truly a basketball fan will tell you Kobe
1279
00:55:14.909 --> 00:55:16.639
threw up a whole lot of bullshit that went in.
1280
00:55:16.670 --> 00:55:18.090
He was good and he did it, but it was
1281
00:55:18.139 --> 00:55:18.969
a whole lot of bullshit.
1282
00:55:18.989 --> 00:55:19.699
That's what I'm saying.
1283
00:55:19.739 --> 00:55:21.570
It's because it went in for him.
1284
00:55:21.579 --> 00:55:22.780
But he missed as many as he made.
1285
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.340
You want to be as good as him.
1286
00:55:25.659 --> 00:55:26.139
We won't go.
1287
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.320
So a few more comments. Caveatize. Adam Vinatieri is from
1288
00:55:29.380 --> 00:55:33.579
South Dakota, our most famous athlete. So we should stop
1289
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:35.579
caring about him, Caveat. Is that what we're saying? He's
1290
00:55:35.619 --> 00:55:36.599
from South Dakota.
1291
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:37.820
Shout out, South Dakota.
1292
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.510
Caveat saying Aaron Rodgers could be in the conversation if
1293
00:55:41.550 --> 00:55:44.349
he had grit and drive and passion, which he doesn't have.
1294
00:55:44.389 --> 00:55:47.550
He has ayahuasca, and he can make fun of his
1295
00:55:47.590 --> 00:55:48.409
past relationship.
1296
00:55:48.429 --> 00:55:52.949
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry, Caveat. You're wrong.
1297
00:55:53.250 --> 00:55:54.769
Brock Lesnar is from South Dakota.
1298
00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:56.409
Hey.
1299
00:55:56.989 --> 00:55:58.530
Brock Lesnar's your most famous.
1300
00:55:58.650 --> 00:56:00.389
Brock Lesnar.
1301
00:56:01.230 --> 00:56:03.469
Brock Lesnar's more famous, right? I would say so.
1302
00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:04.510
Yes.
1303
00:56:04.829 --> 00:56:07.550
Heavyweight champ, right? Yeah.
1304
00:56:07.610 --> 00:56:10.400
Did Brock Lesnar have a version of Snickers named after him,
1305
00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:12.599
like Adam Nugentieri? I don't think so.
1306
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:14.099
I didn't even know that was a thing.
1307
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:15.920
No, there was a commercial. It was Adam Nugentieri.
1308
00:56:15.940 --> 00:56:18.059
Hold that out of fucking recesses of your mind.
1309
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.860
Listen, I called him Adam Nugentieri forever because of that commercial.
1310
00:56:23.139 --> 00:56:25.539
It was amazing. But Nate, you're saying Brock Lesnar was
1311
00:56:25.579 --> 00:56:26.460
born in South Dakota.
1312
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:27.380
I only know that.
1313
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:29.860
See, now I only know he was born in South
1314
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:30.780
Dakota because you told me.
1315
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.739
See, actually, no, I am wrong. Becky Hammond was born
1316
00:56:35.780 --> 00:56:39.619
in South Dakota. So she's definitely your most famous athlete.
1317
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.719
Layups and chest shots, baby. Layups and chest shots. That's
1318
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.750
all I want to say. Caveatai saying true, but I'd
1319
00:56:47.789 --> 00:56:49.949
say Adam is more famous.
1320
00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:50.730
Hmm.
1321
00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:54.590
I don't think so. Wrestling reaches millions.
1322
00:56:54.710 --> 00:56:58.210
It's not just wrestling, though. It's also MMA. He was
1323
00:56:58.250 --> 00:57:01.639
all over the fucking place. Brock Lesnar is pretty fucked.
1324
00:57:01.659 --> 00:57:04.699
I've never seen Lesnar compete. Listen, he's a Minnesota Vikings
1325
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.800
practice squad beast.
1326
00:57:07.019 --> 00:57:08.300
He wasn't a practice squad.
1327
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.239
He wore number 69. He suplexed somebody.
1328
00:57:10.340 --> 00:57:12.679
But also as a wrestler and all that type of stuff.
1329
00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:15.260
The guy, he's pretty big.
1330
00:57:16.090 --> 00:57:18.449
Yeah, listen, he dominated UFC. He was the champion. If
1331
00:57:18.489 --> 00:57:21.090
he didn't get hurt, his reign would have gotten much longer.
1332
00:57:22.449 --> 00:57:24.570
Kane was just really fucking good, dude.
1333
00:57:24.590 --> 00:57:27.340
Kane Velasquez is just really fucking good.
1334
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:29.579
He was, I mean, obviously he was a wrestler, but
1335
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.179
he got to MMA pretty late in life, too, for
1336
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.219
a fighter. I mean, if he had grown up doing that,
1337
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:36.179
I feel like that's, he would have been the real deal.
1338
00:57:36.340 --> 00:57:39.559
Yeah, like, don't forget, like, Mir caught him with a
1339
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.820
fucking leg lock, like you said, because he was so
1340
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:42.280
late in MMA.
1341
00:57:42.340 --> 00:57:45.099
Yeah, that doesn't happen if you grow up doing MMA.
1342
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.590
Yeah, but, I mean, the man's a damn monster. And
1343
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:50.510
just the fact that he was able to win the
1344
00:57:50.550 --> 00:57:53.909
belt is ridiculous in and of itself. But I think
1345
00:57:54.389 --> 00:57:57.030
maybe if he really, really tried, maybe he could still
1346
00:57:57.050 --> 00:57:59.510
compete at that high level, like even after Kane beat him.
1347
00:57:59.550 --> 00:58:01.570
But Kane Velasquez was a fucking animal.
1348
00:58:01.829 --> 00:58:02.190
Kane was good.
1349
00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:03.710
Like a different type of animal at that point.
1350
00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:07.429
Kane was good. So, Nate, with the ultimate stat, Lesnar
1351
00:58:07.469 --> 00:58:10.989
sold more pay-per-views than Adams. So, it's like 20-0 at
1352
00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:13.260
this point. So, yeah, I agree, Nate. I don't think
1353
00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:16.420
Adam Nugateri has sold one pay-per-view. All right, so you
1354
00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:18.280
brought up Becky Hammond, and I want to talk about
1355
00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:23.389
women being batshit. So, Tom, are we going to see
1356
00:58:23.610 --> 00:58:28.150
anything change after a woman murdered brutally three of her
1357
00:58:28.190 --> 00:58:31.309
children and nine women and two weak men wanted to
1358
00:58:31.349 --> 00:58:31.889
let her walk?
1359
00:58:33.309 --> 00:58:42.389
Dude, this one really surprised me because this one crossed– race,
1360
00:58:42.570 --> 00:58:46.079
it crossed party lines. It really seemed to be like
1361
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:50.860
middle-aged women against everybody else, middle-aged white women in particular.
1362
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.880
And everybody else was like, are you fucking kidding me?
1363
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.199
What the fuck are we talking about here? Like, what
1364
00:58:56.239 --> 00:59:00.139
are we talking about? I mean, I, I couldn't encapsulate
1365
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.219
it any better than I saw they were doing a
1366
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.280
street interview and the woman was explaining to the guy
1367
00:59:05.300 --> 00:59:07.800
interviewing her that she thought she was innocent because of
1368
00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:11.030
the postpartum psychosis, blah, blah, blah. um he goes well
1369
00:59:11.179 --> 00:59:13.019
what if she had did it while she was saying
1370
00:59:13.059 --> 00:59:14.900
the n-word would that be okay would she still be
1371
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.780
innocent and she goes well no that wouldn't be okay
1372
00:59:17.380 --> 00:59:22.480
it's like the strangling the three kids was whatever but
1373
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:24.719
the n-word is where you draw the line it's like
1374
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:29.349
It shouldn't even be funny. It's the absurdity of it.
1375
00:59:29.409 --> 00:59:30.500
It's the absurdity of it.
1376
00:59:31.150 --> 00:59:32.730
So I forget who I was listening to, but somebody
1377
00:59:32.829 --> 00:59:35.369
framed it this way and it's true. In a way,
1378
00:59:35.670 --> 00:59:39.369
it's similar to OJ in that OJ was culturally just
1379
00:59:39.389 --> 00:59:41.500
a dividing line where it was like white versus black.
1380
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:45.219
And this is women versus men, right? Like this is
1381
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.739
a whole bunch of like white. It's a bunch of
1382
00:59:48.820 --> 00:59:51.159
awfuls without the L. It's not just only liberals. It's
1383
00:59:51.260 --> 00:59:54.500
a bunch of conservative women jumped on this too. And
1384
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.480
then it's just a bunch of dudes looking at it
1385
00:59:56.539 --> 01:00:01.500
going– and Dave, I've maintained this from the get-go. Two
1386
01:00:01.579 --> 01:00:04.619
things could be true at once. The chick killed people.
1387
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.219
She should go to jail for the rest of her life.
1388
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.809
And if she could have been killed, she should be.
1389
01:00:08.710 --> 01:00:11.389
And also there possibly seems to be holes in the
1390
01:00:11.429 --> 01:00:14.769
medical system for women that we can talk about. But
1391
01:00:14.809 --> 01:00:18.519
that doesn't mean this woman should walk. She needs to
1392
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:19.239
go away forever.
1393
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.260
Yeah, and we had that discussion, what, two shows ago? Yeah,
1394
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.469
a few weeks ago. For me, that shit's a separate
1395
01:00:26.510 --> 01:00:29.269
conversation to what should happen to her for what she did.
1396
01:00:29.670 --> 01:00:33.349
It's a completely and totally separate conversation. There's no reason
1397
01:00:33.389 --> 01:00:35.900
to go back and forth on it the way it
1398
01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:40.860
has happened. But it is really interesting because it kind
1399
01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:45.539
of is specifically white women. And you said middle age,
1400
01:00:45.579 --> 01:00:48.239
but I would even say it goes throughout the spectrum.
1401
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:52.719
I mean, it's mainly like true crime. Like people bring
1402
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:53.139
it up.
1403
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:54.059
Yeah, pretty true.
1404
01:00:54.340 --> 01:00:56.139
Like when it went with a lot of women that
1405
01:00:56.179 --> 01:00:58.090
listen to a lot of true crime and they always
1406
01:00:58.110 --> 01:01:00.710
think that there's something else going on. And, you know,
1407
01:01:01.050 --> 01:01:03.550
a bunch of women that let's just be let's face it,
1408
01:01:03.570 --> 01:01:07.489
hate men also are on this train of, you know,
1409
01:01:08.090 --> 01:01:10.329
of just trying to kind of let her off. And
1410
01:01:10.489 --> 01:01:12.869
even the one of the jurors who in an interview said,
1411
01:01:13.710 --> 01:01:17.070
She even said that it was like a broader thing
1412
01:01:17.190 --> 01:01:21.000
for women as a whole to get her to have
1413
01:01:21.019 --> 01:01:24.300
this not guilty kind of come out if they could
1414
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:24.980
have it happen.
1415
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.280
So in a.
1416
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.360
Similar way to OJ, where the jurors afterwards said it
1417
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.719
was about, you know, having about is a black man
1418
01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:34.159
on trial.
1419
01:01:34.179 --> 01:01:36.780
And it was against Rodney. It was revenge for Rodney King.
1420
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.360
Exactly.
1421
01:01:37.380 --> 01:01:38.219
Exactly. Exactly.
1422
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:40.900
You know, I agree with you too because I heard
1423
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:44.000
another interviewer saying like, well, we wanted to do the
1424
01:01:44.059 --> 01:01:46.400
mistrial so she can get the help she needs. And
1425
01:01:46.460 --> 01:01:48.900
it's like– and then these same people were also complaining
1426
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.039
that the juror that held out wasn't following the judge's instructions.
1427
01:01:52.099 --> 01:01:54.039
It's like, wait a minute. You're not there to get
1428
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.159
her the help she needs. You're not there to make
1429
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.039
a point for women. You were there to decide if
1430
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.139
she was– there was never a disagreement, which again, the
1431
01:02:02.179 --> 01:02:04.659
true crime women were like– there might be some disagreement
1432
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.570
as to if you know about if she actually killed
1433
01:02:07.590 --> 01:02:12.349
them no both sides including lindsey clancy agreed that they
1434
01:02:12.369 --> 01:02:16.630
she strangled her three kids brutally and what they were
1435
01:02:16.670 --> 01:02:20.230
debating is was her mental capacity enough to prove that
1436
01:02:20.329 --> 01:02:23.070
she knew it or she didn't that's all they were
1437
01:02:23.110 --> 01:02:25.570
there to prove and they were there to do and
1438
01:02:25.630 --> 01:02:28.659
like when you hear them saying this like They want
1439
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.039
to be like, oh, well, we want to get that
1440
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.940
juror kicked out. If they retry it, all fucking 12
1441
01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:34.420
should be gone. They should not be allowed to be
1442
01:02:34.460 --> 01:02:38.940
there again. You know, it's those women were activists. They
1443
01:02:38.980 --> 01:02:41.480
became activists for women. Yeah.
1444
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.639
And I want to bring it up just to show
1445
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.340
that she did say we knew that this is a
1446
01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:48.260
turning point and this would be something that could change
1447
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:49.929
something to make it better for other women.
1448
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:50.800
Like you can't.
1449
01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:54.079
I can't trust that person as a juror.
1450
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:55.639
When you say something like that.
1451
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.659
And, you know, I want to bring up, too, because, like,
1452
01:02:57.820 --> 01:03:00.000
I was thinking about this. Because remember, the big thing
1453
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.000
was about, like, the exercise bands. And a lot of
1454
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.579
your true crime women will go to the exercise bands. Well,
1455
01:03:05.059 --> 01:03:07.539
they had more of his DNA than hers. And I
1456
01:03:07.579 --> 01:03:08.900
was thinking, it was like, okay, what if he was
1457
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.099
unwrapping it around their necks? Of course his DNA is
1458
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.440
going to be more on it, right? Like, that's the thing.
1459
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:17.530
It's like, he, like, the whole entire– Arguments that they
1460
01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:20.170
made all have holes in them that these true crime
1461
01:03:20.210 --> 01:03:22.730
women made. And I think my biggest issue is when
1462
01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:25.489
you hear these true crime women talk, they're arguing about
1463
01:03:25.530 --> 01:03:28.389
things they found out on TikTok and fucking Instagram and YouTube.
1464
01:03:28.909 --> 01:03:32.320
Not exactly what was brought up in the case. Now,
1465
01:03:32.449 --> 01:03:36.300
one thing I did hear, though, is that the female prosecutor.
1466
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.539
was more of a distraction and didn't present it as well.
1467
01:03:40.579 --> 01:03:43.320
When you read it on paper, it reads pretty open
1468
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:46.349
and shut. But in these high profile cases, how it's
1469
01:03:46.389 --> 01:03:49.929
presented does matter. That's why Johnny Cochran is so goddamn famous, right?
1470
01:03:49.969 --> 01:03:52.869
Because he was able to convince and do that. You know,
1471
01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.889
she came in with outfits that took away from the
1472
01:03:55.929 --> 01:03:58.760
case because she was more of the focal point. And
1473
01:03:59.099 --> 01:04:02.780
I heard her presentation wasn't good. And that matters. So
1474
01:04:03.099 --> 01:04:05.480
I don't think we could discount that too, where the jury,
1475
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:06.639
and I don't know if they just start bringing a
1476
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:10.610
female would help sway other females but if they do
1477
01:04:10.670 --> 01:04:15.050
retry this case which i think they have to she
1478
01:04:15.070 --> 01:04:17.030
this chick can't be on the case this female a
1479
01:04:17.170 --> 01:04:19.949
uh assistant prosecutor can't be on the case because when
1480
01:04:19.969 --> 01:04:22.389
you look at the facts of it lindsey quancy should
1481
01:04:22.429 --> 01:04:26.090
be gone for life and it's just a fucking travesty
1482
01:04:26.130 --> 01:04:28.550
so palm have you encountered anyone in your life that
1483
01:04:28.690 --> 01:04:29.829
actually is sympathetic for.
1484
01:04:29.769 --> 01:04:36.539
Her um Mostly internet stuff, but nobody really, really close
1485
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.969
to me, thank goodness. But listen, I'm even open to
1486
01:04:40.050 --> 01:04:44.269
the idea of some nuance of you making the argument of, okay,
1487
01:04:44.309 --> 01:04:46.690
she did it, but this is why she shouldn't be guilty.
1488
01:04:46.829 --> 01:04:48.130
I think you're wrong. I don't think you have a
1489
01:04:48.150 --> 01:04:51.449
very good argument. But this went so far beyond that,
1490
01:04:51.590 --> 01:04:54.190
almost to the point of it felt like a social–
1491
01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:56.579
Contagion or something like that we're like to the point
1492
01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.889
Where dude they're wearing pink Clapping for her as she's
1493
01:04:59.949 --> 01:05:01.110
coming up on the Bus.
1494
01:05:00.929 --> 01:05:04.090
Or whatever bullshit Like.
1495
01:05:04.769 --> 01:05:08.070
My opinion is okay if she Isn't crazy and she
1496
01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:10.210
murdered her kids In cold blood either kill her or
1497
01:05:10.250 --> 01:05:12.389
she goes to Jail forever if she is crazy then
1498
01:05:12.409 --> 01:05:14.909
you go To a padded room forever like you're Not
1499
01:05:14.929 --> 01:05:17.070
allowed to be in society anymore that's We're done with
1500
01:05:17.090 --> 01:05:20.860
you Although the fact of the case in my opinion
1501
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:22.780
And this is where there maybe there is some nuance
1502
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.739
Where you can argue about it um I think she
1503
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.659
did premeditate this. You could see it, yeah.
1504
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:29.860
Yeah.
1505
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.559
I think she knew what she was doing. But the
1506
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.460
reaction from the group of people who were supporting her
1507
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:43.369
was so far beyond that to absurd lengths. It shocked me.
1508
01:05:43.389 --> 01:05:44.610
I don't even know how to describe it.
1509
01:05:46.650 --> 01:05:49.690
And it is weird too, right? Because we have been
1510
01:05:49.949 --> 01:05:52.440
so used to, I think, you can say since 2015,
1511
01:05:52.429 --> 01:05:55.989
for the past 10, 11 years, to the political divide, right?
1512
01:05:56.469 --> 01:06:00.429
It's very been hard right, hard left divide. There's very
1513
01:06:00.489 --> 01:06:04.610
little to talk about in the middle type of thing. Conservatives,
1514
01:06:04.690 --> 01:06:07.179
one side, liberals, others, then libertarians, you guys kind of
1515
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.679
floating in the middle somewhere, arguing with both of us,
1516
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.059
which is what you guys, libertarians, do in a lot
1517
01:06:12.219 --> 01:06:17.550
of political stuff. But This was so bizarre in the
1518
01:06:17.610 --> 01:06:21.369
sense of– like I said, there has been some conservative
1519
01:06:21.409 --> 01:06:24.510
women that I generally agree with that are trying to
1520
01:06:24.650 --> 01:06:28.190
fight and argue with everyone about how– some of them
1521
01:06:28.230 --> 01:06:30.159
are just saying, no, she needs to walk because of
1522
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:31.420
certain things. It's like, you guys are out of your
1523
01:06:31.539 --> 01:06:36.250
fucking mind. Like– In the end, she killed three people
1524
01:06:36.789 --> 01:06:39.210
and no one is in their right mind to be
1525
01:06:39.429 --> 01:06:42.300
killing people the way she did. Either she, like you said,
1526
01:06:42.340 --> 01:06:44.460
she's insane and needs to go away forever or she
1527
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:47.500
needs to go to jail forever. And people are like, well,
1528
01:06:47.539 --> 01:06:49.469
she's not equipped for jail. I don't give a fuck.
1529
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:53.519
Her kids weren't equipped to be strangled either. And they were.
1530
01:06:53.980 --> 01:06:57.099
So I feel no sympathy if she's equipped for jail
1531
01:06:57.619 --> 01:07:01.420
or not. That is not my prerogative. My prerogative is
1532
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:02.960
to figure out where is the best place to put
1533
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.800
her to separate her from the rest of us. And
1534
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:06.800
that's it.
1535
01:07:07.650 --> 01:07:09.750
Let me ask you guys something because I've been thinking
1536
01:07:09.789 --> 01:07:11.929
about this and I'm not sure how to phrase it,
1537
01:07:11.989 --> 01:07:17.769
but this thing happened with women specifically. And I think
1538
01:07:17.809 --> 01:07:19.650
that some of the things that we love about women
1539
01:07:19.670 --> 01:07:22.719
and how they're maybe much more emotionally in touch with
1540
01:07:22.780 --> 01:07:26.210
what's going on. They might probably have more compassion. I
1541
01:07:26.269 --> 01:07:30.449
feel like the media in particular and politicians in particular
1542
01:07:31.130 --> 01:07:34.989
prey on these natural traits that women exhibit more than men.
1543
01:07:35.530 --> 01:07:38.230
And in a way, almost try to manipulate them.
1544
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:38.719
As a group.
1545
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:41.199
And I don't know if this has something to do
1546
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.719
with like maybe biologically where because women are not as
1547
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.440
physically big and strong as men, maybe there's more impetus
1548
01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:49.989
to like want to be in a group and kind
1549
01:07:50.010 --> 01:07:52.210
of agree with other people for your own safety. And like,
1550
01:07:52.230 --> 01:07:55.000
I don't know if that's like some kind of, so, so,
1551
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.659
so if you look at it from that side, it
1552
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.840
almost makes me angry that like, like, did we create this? Like,
1553
01:08:01.949 --> 01:08:04.880
I don't know. I'm not, maybe my phrase.
1554
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:08.980
So Jordan Peterson brings this up, um, that women tend
1555
01:08:09.019 --> 01:08:10.860
to be much more agreeable and men tend to be
1556
01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:13.760
much more disagreeable by and large. And that is why, um,
1557
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:17.130
you know, he brought up a lot where women and
1558
01:08:17.149 --> 01:08:20.069
men in the workplace, uh, they go for the same
1559
01:08:20.109 --> 01:08:23.390
exact position. A woman will walk typically into a room
1560
01:08:23.409 --> 01:08:25.949
with the boss and take the first offer given to
1561
01:08:25.989 --> 01:08:28.409
them because they want to be agreeable where a man
1562
01:08:28.859 --> 01:08:32.109
will typically walk in there, and understand that they have
1563
01:08:32.149 --> 01:08:35.229
more value, argue for more value, and then land higher
1564
01:08:35.770 --> 01:08:38.750
than that woman in the same position. Because it's by
1565
01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:43.010
our nature that men are more disagreeable than women. And
1566
01:08:43.069 --> 01:08:46.630
like you said, there is something to women wanting to
1567
01:08:46.710 --> 01:08:51.010
be a part of that social movement. Because by nature,
1568
01:08:51.449 --> 01:08:54.569
women are the social ones. Throughout history, they were the
1569
01:08:54.649 --> 01:08:56.090
ones that stayed home as the men went out to
1570
01:08:56.109 --> 01:08:57.649
go hunt and gather and things like that. So they
1571
01:08:57.670 --> 01:09:01.569
built the community. They built the social hierarchy in town.
1572
01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:04.279
So I think there is something to that. Dave, you
1573
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:05.520
wanted to jump in and say something.
1574
01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:05.779
Go ahead.
1575
01:09:05.859 --> 01:09:08.390
Yeah, I was going to say that, like you said–
1576
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:13.100
Because the hunter gatherer, all that, just the differences between
1577
01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:15.819
men and women, women are typically the ones that are
1578
01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:17.920
going to enforce the social.
1579
01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:19.819
Standards of the community. That's what they do.
1580
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:24.720
And like you said, Palm, because they're don't have anywhere
1581
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.300
near the fucking strength that men do, like physically physically.
1582
01:09:27.899 --> 01:09:32.720
The way that their warfare is done is through manipulation,
1583
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:36.340
through stuff like that, which is, look, I say that
1584
01:09:36.380 --> 01:09:38.420
word and you can have a negative connotation on it, right?
1585
01:09:38.699 --> 01:09:42.409
But there's also positive ways to manipulate. Like when you
1586
01:09:42.470 --> 01:09:45.109
raise a child, you are manipulating them to be a
1587
01:09:45.149 --> 01:09:47.069
better person, right? Like maybe influence, I.
1588
01:09:47.029 --> 01:09:48.289
Don't know, whatever you want.
1589
01:09:48.430 --> 01:09:49.310
Influence, yeah.
1590
01:09:49.350 --> 01:09:53.300
But either way, like, but that's how they do warfare.
1591
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:56.289
That's how they do those types of things. And- In
1592
01:09:56.409 --> 01:09:58.810
order for you to stay safe, like you said, Pom,
1593
01:09:59.260 --> 01:10:01.800
women will have to be more part of the group
1594
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.520
than if they are outside of it. Because if you're
1595
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.920
outside of it, anything could fucking happen to you. You
1596
01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:10.180
do not have the physical strength to stop whatever could
1597
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:14.750
possibly happen to you. So all that becomes a consensus game.
1598
01:10:15.289 --> 01:10:18.069
And that consensus game is one of the things that
1599
01:10:19.029 --> 01:10:21.810
really hit hard when it became to feminism and all that,
1600
01:10:22.270 --> 01:10:26.199
because they made that consensus game about being the same
1601
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:31.100
as men. And it not, not, like having some of
1602
01:10:31.140 --> 01:10:33.600
the things where like men really shut women out, but
1603
01:10:33.699 --> 01:10:36.479
literally kind of doing the same things as men, which
1604
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.119
that's not what women are meant to do.
1605
01:10:39.579 --> 01:10:42.439
Like we're meant to do different things. We're built that
1606
01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:44.159
way differently.
1607
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:44.729
Yeah.
1608
01:10:44.770 --> 01:10:49.090
Biologically we have these like inner desires to do different things. Exactly.
1609
01:10:49.109 --> 01:10:49.649
Go ahead.
1610
01:10:49.869 --> 01:10:51.550
That's a, that's a great, no, that's a, that's a
1611
01:10:51.590 --> 01:10:54.229
great point. And multiple things can be true at once, right?
1612
01:10:54.250 --> 01:10:57.210
Like there could be a time where feminism was trying
1613
01:10:57.229 --> 01:11:00.640
to address some actual real wrongdoing or where like maybe
1614
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:02.460
women were being shut out of a certain place.
1615
01:11:02.430 --> 01:11:07.010
Historically says no the people that started feminism first wave
1616
01:11:07.029 --> 01:11:10.250
second wave third wave look at the writings of the
1617
01:11:10.289 --> 01:11:13.529
people that started it they have always been psycho.
1618
01:11:13.090 --> 01:11:15.890
Leftist don't please please please.
1619
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:20.039
Don't please don't clip me and and i'm just trying
1620
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:21.960
to give a benefit of the doubt like i'm saying
1621
01:11:22.020 --> 01:11:23.800
even if you want to assume that all that stuff
1622
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:29.439
started from like well-intended From a good place. There's lots
1623
01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.369
of other factors at play, such as what we were
1624
01:11:31.390 --> 01:11:33.930
talking about. And agreeableness is, now that you said that,
1625
01:11:33.970 --> 01:11:37.289
I do remember him talking about some of that. But
1626
01:11:38.189 --> 01:11:41.100
do you guys agree, though, that it seems like that
1627
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:46.899
factor does get... that's a hot button to press. It's
1628
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.000
used by politicians, by media. Well, here's the thing.
1629
01:11:49.050 --> 01:11:52.430
Look at right now, and it's been exposed lately, but
1630
01:11:52.550 --> 01:11:55.189
for the past five, six years, on the right, the
1631
01:11:55.250 --> 01:11:58.279
trad wife movement, right? Most of these chicks that were
1632
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.659
claiming trad were fake, right? But they realized that there
1633
01:12:01.699 --> 01:12:04.100
was something to being in that click, calling yourself a
1634
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:06.600
trad wife and a trad girl put you in a
1635
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.899
click of other women that were like that. And you
1636
01:12:09.979 --> 01:12:12.060
all believe in the same thing. You were parroting each other.
1637
01:12:12.189 --> 01:12:14.029
And as much as I think Pearl Davis is a
1638
01:12:14.069 --> 01:12:16.010
retard and a lot, she was one of the women
1639
01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:18.109
that called out all these fake trad wives. And she
1640
01:12:18.149 --> 01:12:20.350
was like, and she would call them on their bullshit
1641
01:12:20.409 --> 01:12:23.010
and everything. And. Pearl never claimed to be trad. She
1642
01:12:23.050 --> 01:12:26.630
just hates other women. And he's one of the ones
1643
01:12:26.649 --> 01:12:29.069
that's exposed a ton of this. And it's a lot
1644
01:12:29.109 --> 01:12:31.729
to do with that agreeableness. And then they all turn
1645
01:12:31.789 --> 01:12:34.210
on each other, though. Like, there's always that moment where
1646
01:12:34.770 --> 01:12:37.569
if you feel like your social status is being dropped down,
1647
01:12:37.949 --> 01:12:40.130
that's when they start to really attack each other. It's
1648
01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:44.399
all about social. So you saw that clearly there.
1649
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:44.840
Yeah.
1650
01:12:44.899 --> 01:12:46.840
And I do want to say, because, you know, it
1651
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:49.640
isn't all about politics, right? But I don't know if
1652
01:12:49.659 --> 01:12:52.579
he's ever seen the graph, Pom, where it shows like
1653
01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.640
the difference of how men and women have moved politically
1654
01:12:55.699 --> 01:12:56.300
and like.
1655
01:12:56.260 --> 01:12:57.859
Throughout the recent time.
1656
01:12:58.229 --> 01:13:00.510
And women just are off a fucking cliff all the
1657
01:13:00.529 --> 01:13:03.189
way to the left. And you see that bear out
1658
01:13:03.250 --> 01:13:06.090
in real life and everywhere else. So you talk to
1659
01:13:06.109 --> 01:13:09.220
especially younger women and, They are more of the left,
1660
01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:12.359
just typically. That's just how it is. And it's a
1661
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.779
cultural zeitgeist, so they always go to that. If you
1662
01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:19.960
go on like normie TikTok or normie Instagram and stuff
1663
01:13:19.979 --> 01:13:21.939
like that, you're going to see– well, maybe not as
1664
01:13:21.979 --> 01:13:22.420
much now.
1665
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:22.939
I don't know.
1666
01:13:23.380 --> 01:13:26.039
But you're going to see more and more and more
1667
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:30.050
stuff from the left that– might be further than what
1668
01:13:30.109 --> 01:13:33.670
they even think but because that is what the zeitgeist
1669
01:13:33.689 --> 01:13:36.710
is the zeitgeist is that is what the normal thing
1670
01:13:36.970 --> 01:13:39.489
is a lot of women just buy into it especially
1671
01:13:39.529 --> 01:13:42.409
because you know it just seems like the nice thing
1672
01:13:42.470 --> 01:13:44.449
to do right that just seems like the good thing
1673
01:13:44.510 --> 01:13:48.109
to do so they're they just buy into that and
1674
01:13:48.130 --> 01:13:50.029
they're going to go with that because it's what keeps
1675
01:13:50.069 --> 01:13:52.579
them safe but it also is what gives them a
1676
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.579
form of power especially with a bunch of guys who
1677
01:13:55.659 --> 01:13:59.060
are Especially with a bunch of guys who, let's be honest,
1678
01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:00.779
we have to call out the fucking simps with a
1679
01:14:00.819 --> 01:14:03.460
lot of things because they give that power.
1680
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.899
The actual proper term for guys who are just overly
1681
01:14:06.939 --> 01:14:09.859
agreeable to have sex is actually sneaky fuckers. That is
1682
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.619
actually a medical term of guys that will say and
1683
01:14:13.659 --> 01:14:16.170
do whatever it needs to be in order to get
1684
01:14:16.210 --> 01:14:18.510
a piece. That is what they're called. That's scientific, actually,
1685
01:14:18.529 --> 01:14:21.250
which is great. I love the scientist that quoted sneaky fucker.
1686
01:14:21.590 --> 01:14:25.890
But it's... That's great, by the way. Yeah, it's amazing.
1687
01:14:26.329 --> 01:14:27.930
But it's one of those things too. It's like, Pom,
1688
01:14:27.970 --> 01:14:30.989
you brought up early feminism, right? And the issue with
1689
01:14:31.050 --> 01:14:35.329
feminism in general is– It's not about bridging the gaps
1690
01:14:35.750 --> 01:14:38.899
and maybe at certain points it was, right? With some things.
1691
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.640
But for the most part, it was always about pushing
1692
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.300
into the white collar jobs that men have had. It
1693
01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:47.479
has never been about pushing into blue collar jobs. It's
1694
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:50.069
always been about protecting the jobs that women already had
1695
01:14:50.149 --> 01:14:53.430
in terms of being teachers, being in an office, doing
1696
01:14:53.550 --> 01:14:56.630
certain things that still to this day are generally exclusively
1697
01:14:56.689 --> 01:15:00.189
women for the most part, right? but also pushing in.
1698
01:15:00.409 --> 01:15:02.609
You never hear them talking about going to become a
1699
01:15:02.630 --> 01:15:05.850
frigging sewer guy or going to work in an oil rig. No, it's,
1700
01:15:05.869 --> 01:15:08.319
they want to be in a boardroom. They want to be,
1701
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.920
you know, doing, you know, being heads of colleges. They
1702
01:15:10.939 --> 01:15:13.699
want to be doctors and surgeons. They want to only
1703
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:17.670
break into the white collar spaces. When they, as we've
1704
01:15:17.710 --> 01:15:20.770
all said here, women have always had a ton of influence, right?
1705
01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:25.319
You don't think the married men at the constitutional convention
1706
01:15:25.659 --> 01:15:28.819
weren't taking a shit ton of advice from the women
1707
01:15:28.859 --> 01:15:30.500
every time they walked home and told them about their day.
1708
01:15:31.060 --> 01:15:32.659
You don't think that they had made, we hear about
1709
01:15:32.779 --> 01:15:35.659
Abigail Adams all the time and how much influence she
1710
01:15:35.699 --> 01:15:39.029
had on John Adams. You don't think that all the wives, girlfriends,
1711
01:15:39.090 --> 01:15:43.010
fiancees of that time were sitting there and saying things, Palm,
1712
01:15:43.050 --> 01:15:46.010
you're a married man. There are times when you're, you know,
1713
01:15:46.750 --> 01:15:49.229
men are retarded and we'll say things to our wives
1714
01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:50.659
that we think is rational. And all of a sudden
1715
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:52.899
they'll turn around and like, what is wrong with you?
1716
01:15:53.260 --> 01:15:54.289
And then they'll give you an X, Y, and Z.
1717
01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:56.340
And it's like, you know what? I kind of never
1718
01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:57.359
thought of it that way. Yeah.
1719
01:15:57.590 --> 01:15:57.789
Right.
1720
01:15:57.810 --> 01:16:00.989
Like we all get those moments and that's where women
1721
01:16:01.010 --> 01:16:04.810
have always had major influence. Women have always had a
1722
01:16:05.189 --> 01:16:09.520
fuck ton of power historically period. So it's, it's just
1723
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.800
wild that their only goal right now isn't to further women.
1724
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.720
It's to try and become more like men. And I
1725
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.079
think that's the biggest problem with right now. It's not
1726
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:21.899
to be more feminine and bring out their things. It's
1727
01:16:22.270 --> 01:16:24.270
how can we do more things that the men do?
1728
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.020
And it's never going to work that way. It doesn't work.
1729
01:16:27.979 --> 01:16:30.420
Kind of funny. I'm just picturing the founding father wags,
1730
01:16:30.500 --> 01:16:32.520
like all the wives and girlfriends hanging out together.
1731
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:35.760
I think they did actually. I think they actually did.
1732
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:36.699
Was that a thing?
1733
01:16:36.779 --> 01:16:41.039
Clubs, yes. I know the Congress did, the early Congress.
1734
01:16:41.060 --> 01:16:42.819
The wives had clubs in early Congress.
1735
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:45.979
I love that. But to your point, I mean, I
1736
01:16:48.060 --> 01:16:51.399
think women have an incredible amount of influence, particularly within
1737
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.140
their household, right? Um, and, and like you said, as
1738
01:16:54.180 --> 01:16:55.539
they should, cause a lot of guys, a lot of
1739
01:16:55.579 --> 01:16:56.960
times guys are fucking retards.
1740
01:16:57.180 --> 01:16:59.500
We get so fixated on one thing and we need
1741
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:01.680
to be corrected, right? We get fixated. This is the
1742
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:03.560
way I do it. This is the way it's going
1743
01:17:03.579 --> 01:17:06.159
to get done. And then sometimes your wife just is like,
1744
01:17:06.180 --> 01:17:08.060
have you ever thought of doing it this way? And
1745
01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:12.550
it's like, no, but maybe I should, right? Like it happens. It's,
1746
01:17:12.689 --> 01:17:14.189
and it happens often because we're retarded.
1747
01:17:15.310 --> 01:17:17.710
Yeah. I just think there's, there's a lot of issues
1748
01:17:17.850 --> 01:17:20.270
outside of the Lindsay Clancy thing. Like, and, and, and
1749
01:17:20.449 --> 01:17:21.649
I don't even know if you guys agree with me,
1750
01:17:21.670 --> 01:17:26.550
but like, for you to support like a full term abortion,
1751
01:17:27.189 --> 01:17:28.689
you know, it's like, it's almost like you get to
1752
01:17:28.729 --> 01:17:31.289
this point where sometimes women will look left and right
1753
01:17:31.310 --> 01:17:32.989
and be like, we're like, we're for this.
1754
01:17:33.060 --> 01:17:34.420
Right. Like, yeah. Yeah.
1755
01:17:34.460 --> 01:17:36.300
Like, and then they're like, okay, we're in on this.
1756
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.560
And it's almost like, uh, they just don't stop and
1757
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.760
ever ask themselves. And by the way, I'm not talking
1758
01:17:41.779 --> 01:17:44.000
about all women. I'm talking about specific.
1759
01:17:44.020 --> 01:17:46.460
You're talking about a, a, a large swap in a
1760
01:17:46.500 --> 01:17:49.689
percentage that could be considered a plurality, right? Like that's
1761
01:17:49.710 --> 01:17:51.630
what we're really talking about. Like a plurality of women.
1762
01:17:52.409 --> 01:17:54.930
Yeah, especially like within progressive politics. And it's like, I
1763
01:17:54.970 --> 01:17:57.720
don't think they ever stop and actually think like, what
1764
01:17:57.739 --> 01:18:01.640
do I objectively believe about this thing myself without any
1765
01:18:01.739 --> 01:18:04.600
outside influence? I feel like sometimes that gets lost a
1766
01:18:04.619 --> 01:18:08.329
little bit. And then you end up with 200 women
1767
01:18:08.369 --> 01:18:12.859
outside of Lindsay Clancy trial fucking giving hearts like. So
1768
01:18:12.899 --> 01:18:14.789
I don't know where that leaves us, but it's like
1769
01:18:14.890 --> 01:18:17.010
it's almost like depressing in a sense.
1770
01:18:17.470 --> 01:18:20.449
Yeah. And I think it's really interesting. And we're going
1771
01:18:20.489 --> 01:18:22.300
to go into this. And if people watch this, they'll
1772
01:18:22.310 --> 01:18:24.399
probably argue a whole bunch of it, which is fine.
1773
01:18:24.460 --> 01:18:25.039
I'm fine with that.
1774
01:18:25.380 --> 01:18:27.319
But because, you know, I've listened to a couple of
1775
01:18:27.340 --> 01:18:29.579
things about this. And Alex, you know, I listen to
1776
01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:31.449
Sargon a good bit. And he actually had the thing
1777
01:18:31.489 --> 01:18:34.829
on the Lotus Eaters. um where they're they're doing this
1778
01:18:34.890 --> 01:18:37.310
little thing and they were watching you know they're watching
1779
01:18:37.350 --> 01:18:40.000
some tiktoks but it's from women and it was a
1780
01:18:40.060 --> 01:18:42.939
trend about talking about like their prefrontal lobe coming in
1781
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.739
and when they're when they hit 25 their prefrontal lobe
1782
01:18:45.770 --> 01:18:47.909
develops and now all of a sudden they don't want
1783
01:18:47.930 --> 01:18:49.789
to dress slutty anymore and stuff like that and there's
1784
01:18:49.829 --> 01:18:51.560
a whole bunch of TikTok videos like that with a
1785
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.689
whole bunch of people watching them. And one of the
1786
01:18:53.770 --> 01:18:57.000
interesting points was, I think, has some truth to it
1787
01:18:57.300 --> 01:18:59.699
is it seems like especially when you look at the
1788
01:18:59.739 --> 01:19:03.539
way women talk about the Lindsay Clancy case, some women
1789
01:19:03.579 --> 01:19:06.220
talk about the Lindsay Clancy case is a lot of
1790
01:19:06.460 --> 01:19:11.989
life seems to happen to women. While with men, like
1791
01:19:12.109 --> 01:19:14.989
it doesn't have like we feel like we're doing our thing.
1792
01:19:15.050 --> 01:19:15.229
Right.
1793
01:19:15.569 --> 01:19:19.550
Like we don't feel necessarily out of control out of things.
1794
01:19:19.949 --> 01:19:21.590
Like if we fuck up, we fuck up.
1795
01:19:21.670 --> 01:19:24.840
Right. When but when you listen to how some women talk,
1796
01:19:24.899 --> 01:19:27.239
especially like I said, especially with the Lindsay Clancy stuff.
1797
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.720
And if you look at those TikToks, it's like life
1798
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.340
is happening to them and they don't have that much
1799
01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:37.960
control over it. And especially with those prefrontal lobe TikToks
1800
01:19:38.020 --> 01:19:40.600
and stuff like that, like once they hit 25, all
1801
01:19:40.619 --> 01:19:43.029
of a sudden they realize something. It's like, oh, my
1802
01:19:43.090 --> 01:19:45.289
body all of a sudden is telling me to do this.
1803
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.329
and you know, we're, we're three guys. We can't necessarily
1804
01:19:49.390 --> 01:19:50.789
understand that feeling.
1805
01:19:51.050 --> 01:19:51.229
No.
1806
01:19:51.630 --> 01:19:51.789
Yeah.
1807
01:19:51.810 --> 01:19:53.350
And I don't think the prefrontal lobe thing is true,
1808
01:19:53.609 --> 01:19:55.770
but I'm just saying, but even just the feeling of,
1809
01:19:55.810 --> 01:19:57.270
you know, once a month having.
1810
01:19:57.069 --> 01:19:59.609
Your biological clock, I think is a real thing though.
1811
01:19:59.630 --> 01:20:02.609
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying the prefrontal lobe thing.
1812
01:20:02.649 --> 01:20:02.970
Yeah.
1813
01:20:03.229 --> 01:20:08.319
But other things that happen to women is obviously a thing, right?
1814
01:20:08.340 --> 01:20:10.699
You know, periods and all that type of stuff. So it's,
1815
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.640
it's a very different way of feeling things. And it's an,
1816
01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:19.060
It's an interesting thing when you see, because there has
1817
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:20.659
been a bunch of feminists on the side of Winston
1818
01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:24.819
Clancy arguing basically that because of our hormones, we can't
1819
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:28.300
be trusted to do some certain things. When it's just like, okay,
1820
01:20:28.579 --> 01:20:31.000
that was the argument for why you weren't really allowed
1821
01:20:31.060 --> 01:20:34.350
in power in the first place was because of your hormones,
1822
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:36.789
you could fuck something up and then you won't take
1823
01:20:36.829 --> 01:20:37.850
accountability for it.
1824
01:20:38.170 --> 01:20:40.350
So it's really interesting.
1825
01:20:40.369 --> 01:20:40.630
And like.
1826
01:20:42.010 --> 01:20:43.670
Whenever you say these types of things and you try
1827
01:20:43.689 --> 01:20:45.869
to have these discussions, it always happens.
1828
01:20:45.890 --> 01:20:46.630
You can't be nuanced.
1829
01:20:46.649 --> 01:20:49.090
You just get attacked. Dude, we could roast men next
1830
01:20:49.130 --> 01:20:51.350
just the same. No, no, no. I'm just saying.
1831
01:20:51.369 --> 01:20:52.010
No, fuck that.
1832
01:20:52.029 --> 01:20:52.630
Men are perfect.
1833
01:20:52.770 --> 01:20:53.789
No, I'm just saying.
1834
01:20:53.850 --> 01:20:55.060
Even woman haters are coming back.
1835
01:20:55.069 --> 01:20:57.119
You say these types of things and some people might
1836
01:20:57.140 --> 01:20:59.800
think it sounds like degrading or whatever like that. But no,
1837
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.479
it's trying to understand how people or how the different
1838
01:21:03.500 --> 01:21:07.300
sexes go through life. and the best way for them
1839
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.859
to go through life because like you know some people
1840
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:12.470
kind of go off this happiness index when that's not
1841
01:21:12.590 --> 01:21:15.510
it because you can't be happy all the time chasing
1842
01:21:15.550 --> 01:21:20.010
happiness isn't what it is so it's like no i
1843
01:21:20.029 --> 01:21:21.890
feel like a lot of times we go into these
1844
01:21:21.930 --> 01:21:24.979
conversations and it's not trying to be degrading to women
1845
01:21:25.109 --> 01:21:27.239
or men it's just trying to figure this shit.
1846
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.119
Out yeah that's kind of what guys like to do
1847
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.619
too right we like to figure shit out yeah yeah.
1848
01:21:33.329 --> 01:21:34.850
I was going to say, one of the things I hope,
1849
01:21:35.329 --> 01:21:37.689
just to put a button on that, is when my
1850
01:21:37.729 --> 01:21:39.050
daughters grow up, I have two girls.
1851
01:21:39.590 --> 01:21:39.970
So do I.
1852
01:21:40.430 --> 01:21:40.970
If you could.
1853
01:21:40.909 --> 01:21:44.680
Please just be unapologetically yourself and just don't go with
1854
01:21:44.689 --> 01:21:46.899
the crowd. Maybe that's what you think. Maybe it's not.
1855
01:21:46.909 --> 01:21:49.300
But actually really think about, what do I think about
1856
01:21:49.340 --> 01:21:51.920
the world and life? And that's why my wife is
1857
01:21:51.939 --> 01:21:54.000
so cool. She's been doing it more work. She's been
1858
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:56.100
putting herself out there and actually sharing what she thinks
1859
01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:00.050
about stuff. And I think maybe... Most people, but maybe
1860
01:22:00.069 --> 01:22:02.170
women more than men kind of are worried about like,
1861
01:22:02.210 --> 01:22:04.010
if I say this, like what's someone going to think
1862
01:22:04.069 --> 01:22:06.329
about me or judge me about something. And it's like,
1863
01:22:06.789 --> 01:22:10.180
who gives a fuck? It's like an unbelievably, um, and
1864
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.479
I don't, this didn't happen to me until my thirties
1865
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:15.760
where like, it's a very freeing feeling when you are
1866
01:22:15.819 --> 01:22:19.560
unapologetically yourself and you just have your, you, you, you
1867
01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:23.020
actually feel confident about this is what I think about this.
1868
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:25.939
This is not a manufactured opinion. This wasn't implanted in
1869
01:22:25.970 --> 01:22:28.550
my head by politicians, media, my best friend, whoever, um,
1870
01:22:29.130 --> 01:22:31.029
And when you go through life that way, it's, it's,
1871
01:22:31.670 --> 01:22:34.010
it's way, way, way better for you for your own
1872
01:22:34.050 --> 01:22:35.590
mental health. And I think it gives you a way
1873
01:22:35.609 --> 01:22:38.970
better perspective on the world because David, you were saying
1874
01:22:39.010 --> 01:22:40.989
that a lot of women feel like life happens to them.
1875
01:22:41.109 --> 01:22:43.289
And I think they're searching really for like some sense
1876
01:22:43.310 --> 01:22:46.810
of control and they could team up with other people
1877
01:22:46.850 --> 01:22:48.479
and be like, Hey, this is our thing that we
1878
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:51.000
care about. Maybe they don't even give a shit about
1879
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:53.520
that innately, but it's like a team to be on.
1880
01:22:53.899 --> 01:22:56.640
And sometimes it just gets you in, in, in the
1881
01:22:56.659 --> 01:22:59.260
wrong way because it's, it's, You end up you end
1882
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:00.800
up outside the fucking prison doing this.
1883
01:23:01.140 --> 01:23:01.500
Yeah.
1884
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:02.819
Yeah.
1885
01:23:02.979 --> 01:23:05.770
And like you said, the team up and one of
1886
01:23:05.810 --> 01:23:08.729
the things that they do control is the social hierarchy there.
1887
01:23:08.770 --> 01:23:08.949
Right.
1888
01:23:09.390 --> 01:23:12.829
Through through certain actions and certain things like women typically
1889
01:23:12.869 --> 01:23:16.109
control the social hierarchy through the way they form the
1890
01:23:16.149 --> 01:23:19.869
group and whoever's yapping about what. And men form their
1891
01:23:19.909 --> 01:23:23.220
hierarchy through competition. Whoever's going to beat the other one.
1892
01:23:23.579 --> 01:23:26.819
Whether physically or in other types of ways, that's how
1893
01:23:26.859 --> 01:23:29.640
we do it. We don't do it through the social
1894
01:23:29.699 --> 01:23:32.539
cohesion of it. We do it through straight up competition.
1895
01:23:33.220 --> 01:23:35.260
And we've talked about on the show before and Palm,
1896
01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:38.020
you'll agree. Every time you walk into a room, especially
1897
01:23:38.060 --> 01:23:39.819
with guys you don't know, you look at them. And
1898
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:41.819
the first thing you think is, can I kick their ass?
1899
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:44.329
First thing, it's just any, can I fuck them up?
1900
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:46.479
And that's how you kind of put yourself in the hierarchy, right?
1901
01:23:46.699 --> 01:23:48.229
Because you see one guy and you look and you go.
1902
01:23:49.189 --> 01:23:52.369
You're probably not that guy. Like probably– like I'll fight him.
1903
01:23:52.430 --> 01:23:53.390
It might not go too well.
1904
01:23:53.750 --> 01:23:56.250
It goes right to our greetings as guys, right? When
1905
01:23:56.289 --> 01:23:58.909
you shake hands with someone, you don't want to have
1906
01:23:58.949 --> 01:24:03.149
a limp-wristed handshake, right? It shows something about your character
1907
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if you don't have a firm handshake.
1908
01:24:04.949 --> 01:24:06.340
Well, here's the thing too. It's like the type of
1909
01:24:06.350 --> 01:24:08.779
head nod, right? Like there's the two different– you learn
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01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:10.640
the type of head nod. Like the downward head is
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01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:12.779
kind of like the– you know, like the kind of
1912
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:15.880
like a little more like honorific. And the upward is
1913
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.659
a little less formal, right? Like you understand that you're
1914
01:24:18.699 --> 01:24:20.399
dealing with an older man. You're not going to do this.
1915
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:22.800
He might hit you, right? Like don't fucking do that
1916
01:24:22.819 --> 01:24:24.300
to me. I'm not your friend. You give it a
1917
01:24:24.340 --> 01:24:26.350
little downward one and he get it back. Like it's
1918
01:24:26.369 --> 01:24:28.930
just an innate thing that guys do. I don't see
1919
01:24:29.010 --> 01:24:31.289
women doing the head nod. It's just you sometimes just–
1920
01:24:31.550 --> 01:24:34.250
you don't know the guy from Tom, Dick, or Harry.
1921
01:24:34.270 --> 01:24:36.189
You just see him. You make eye contact. Pull a
1922
01:24:36.189 --> 01:24:38.109
little one of these. You keep him moving. It's just
1923
01:24:38.130 --> 01:24:39.029
a little respect thing.
1924
01:24:40.060 --> 01:24:42.560
And I don't even think I have an inner monologue
1925
01:24:42.590 --> 01:24:44.550
with myself about could I kick that guy's ass. It's
1926
01:24:44.569 --> 01:24:47.149
like your reptile brain is calculating that in the background.
1927
01:24:47.189 --> 01:24:49.510
Yeah. And the points of exit too, right? Like you
1928
01:24:49.529 --> 01:24:51.909
always get into somewhere, especially if you're somewhere new.
1929
01:24:52.430 --> 01:24:53.170
Shit, it's the fan.
1930
01:24:53.390 --> 01:24:54.829
How do I get my family out of here safely?
1931
01:24:54.970 --> 01:24:56.760
Or how do I get out of here if I'm alone, right?
1932
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It's just you don't– again, you don't think about it.
1933
01:25:00.779 --> 01:25:04.600
It's just automatically something you do. And I've heard– even
1934
01:25:04.859 --> 01:25:06.520
my wife says, she's like, I sure as fuck don't
1935
01:25:06.539 --> 01:25:09.340
think about it because I know you are. I know
1936
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:13.890
that you're already game planning things. I went tonight to–
1937
01:25:14.350 --> 01:25:16.289
we have our curriculum night for my daughters over in
1938
01:25:16.329 --> 01:25:19.149
elementary school, my older one. And we went there and
1939
01:25:19.170 --> 01:25:21.449
I've been in this building before many a times. So
1940
01:25:21.510 --> 01:25:24.029
I know everything. But as I'm walking in, it's just
1941
01:25:24.069 --> 01:25:26.449
looking around and it's like, okay, exit, exit, exit. And
1942
01:25:26.489 --> 01:25:28.409
it's like things thinking in my head too because now
1943
01:25:28.489 --> 01:25:31.569
I'm working in a school and now it's realistic of, okay. Okay.
1944
01:25:32.550 --> 01:25:35.850
Shooter happens in a school. What do I do? You know,
1945
01:25:35.890 --> 01:25:38.229
generally when you work in a school, especially in like
1946
01:25:38.350 --> 01:25:42.020
a younger setting, you're surrounded by mostly women. What am
1947
01:25:42.060 --> 01:25:44.140
I going to do in this situation? How am I
1948
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.420
going to save as many lives as possible? Because that's
1949
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:46.739
the goal.
1950
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:47.279
Yeah.
1951
01:25:47.380 --> 01:25:49.640
So it's like, especially as a guy, if you have
1952
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:50.300
a family.
1953
01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:54.100
It's basically the responsibility of like first one to get in,
1954
01:25:54.140 --> 01:25:56.720
last one to get out, right? Like you're the first one,
1955
01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.039
so you want to make sure everything's good. But if
1956
01:25:59.100 --> 01:26:01.840
anything does happen, you're the last. They're the ones that
1957
01:26:01.859 --> 01:26:04.149
are important. You're the last one out. You have to
1958
01:26:04.189 --> 01:26:04.689
protect that.
1959
01:26:05.100 --> 01:26:08.149
Every time. Every time. Caveatai is coming in saying, I
1960
01:26:08.170 --> 01:26:10.289
don't have that dialogue. I know I can kick anyone's
1961
01:26:10.369 --> 01:26:13.010
butt in the room. I like that confidence.
1962
01:26:13.149 --> 01:26:16.859
Yeah. Have you guys seen the reel? It's like the
1963
01:26:16.899 --> 01:26:18.720
dude and the chick are walking in the mall or
1964
01:26:18.739 --> 01:26:22.199
somewhere and the dude's inner monologue is Jason Bourne and
1965
01:26:22.229 --> 01:26:24.970
then the chick's dialogue is like, making my way downtown.
1966
01:26:25.010 --> 01:26:27.510
How true is that? How true is that?
1967
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.520
Every guy is like dark fantasy is shit to go
1968
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.439
down and go in and save the day. Now, listen,
1969
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:34.359
most people just crouch like a pussy too because you
1970
01:26:34.380 --> 01:26:36.949
all just want to self-preserve. But it's everyone's like thing
1971
01:26:36.989 --> 01:26:38.909
is like, man, if that happened, I would go and
1972
01:26:38.930 --> 01:26:42.310
do this. And it's like probably wouldn't, but I like
1973
01:26:42.329 --> 01:26:44.489
to think I would. But I'm going to shift here
1974
01:26:44.930 --> 01:26:48.229
because we could talk about women in a certain way.
1975
01:26:48.430 --> 01:26:51.850
But then there's some women that just get it, understand
1976
01:26:51.869 --> 01:26:56.789
what guys want. And that woman– It's Sydney Sweeney. And
1977
01:26:57.130 --> 01:27:00.649
here is her ad that is driving everyone, every woman
1978
01:27:00.689 --> 01:27:03.189
that's not as good looking, all the ugly ones crazy.
1979
01:27:03.470 --> 01:27:05.010
That's all. The only ones that matter are ugly. So
1980
01:27:05.029 --> 01:27:05.369
let's go.
1981
01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:25.930
Mom, is this your first time seeing this? I saw
1982
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:33.810
it today. I already signed up. This sport too.
1983
01:27:35.229 --> 01:27:35.630
Or this.
1984
01:27:37.310 --> 01:27:44.029
Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports. You can't
1985
01:27:44.050 --> 01:27:44.510
trade this.
1986
01:27:45.090 --> 01:27:45.789
I just look in here.
1987
01:27:46.989 --> 01:27:50.220
No betting on wars or deaths and no politics.
1988
01:27:52.739 --> 01:27:53.159
Just you.
1989
01:27:53.880 --> 01:28:01.199
Your takes on sports. The craziest part to me about
1990
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:04.699
Sydney Sweeney is if you want to see her boobs,
1991
01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:09.060
you can. They're everywhere. She's done Euphoria. She's naked 95%
1992
01:28:09.060 --> 01:28:13.739
of that show. And it's rare that, you know, most
1993
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.060
of the time half the secret of really like hot
1994
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:18.500
women is that you don't know what they look like naked, right?
1995
01:28:18.970 --> 01:28:20.609
And then sometimes when you see it in like a
1996
01:28:20.630 --> 01:28:22.710
movie or something, it's like that allure goes away. They're
1997
01:28:22.770 --> 01:28:25.270
not as– they're still smoke shows, but I don't care anymore.
1998
01:28:25.609 --> 01:28:27.800
Sydney Sweeney somehow, you've seen her naked before and it's
1999
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:31.979
like you see that and it's like, okay, still in, right?
2000
01:28:32.060 --> 01:28:35.050
It's like she just has that about her and now
2001
01:28:35.350 --> 01:28:39.390
there's a huge backlash. A bunch of female athletes coming
2002
01:28:39.510 --> 01:28:42.869
out and like that's not sports. That's just sexualizing it, blah.
2003
01:28:42.899 --> 01:28:43.229
Blah, blah.
2004
01:28:43.979 --> 01:28:46.819
Bitch, it's an ad. Ads are meant to get people
2005
01:28:47.180 --> 01:28:51.479
to buy things. And generally, that brand, Novig or whatever
2006
01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:53.899
the hell their name is, I don't really sports bet.
2007
01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:58.399
They understand who is betting. 99.9% of people that bet
2008
01:28:58.420 --> 01:29:04.000
are men. And you put Sini Sweeney out there, generally naked,
2009
01:29:05.100 --> 01:29:08.310
men are going to want to sign up. Pom, do
2010
01:29:08.350 --> 01:29:11.630
you have an issue with that ad at all? And
2011
01:29:11.670 --> 01:29:12.920
have you seen the backlash of it?
2012
01:29:14.029 --> 01:29:19.289
Yeah, it's honestly ridiculous. Women's biggest enemies are other women.
2013
01:29:19.750 --> 01:29:22.550
I think we all know that. It's actually really sad
2014
01:29:22.569 --> 01:29:25.430
to see. How could you even make the argument this
2015
01:29:25.489 --> 01:29:27.750
sets women athletes back or something? What does she have
2016
01:29:27.770 --> 01:29:28.869
to do with women athletes?
2017
01:29:28.909 --> 01:29:29.890
She's not a candidate.
2018
01:29:29.909 --> 01:29:33.470
She's an actress. On one hand, they talk about women
2019
01:29:33.510 --> 01:29:38.069
empowerment and justify OnlyFans models that way because it's your body.
2020
01:29:38.090 --> 01:29:39.409
You should be able to do what you want with it.
2021
01:29:39.930 --> 01:29:42.109
But then on the other hand, because she's a smoke
2022
01:29:42.140 --> 01:29:46.220
show blonde white chick, apparently that's not okay. I don't know.
2023
01:29:46.300 --> 01:29:49.510
So Um, it's all just a bunch of bullshit. They're
2024
01:29:49.529 --> 01:29:52.189
mad that she's super hot and has big cans and
2025
01:29:52.270 --> 01:29:55.229
is selling sports betting to guys like overtly. And it's
2026
01:29:55.250 --> 01:29:57.850
like a corny ad because we all know what it is, right?
2027
01:29:57.890 --> 01:30:01.630
Like their target market is us, you know? And we
2028
01:30:01.649 --> 01:30:05.210
just watched it. So it's like, it works. And, uh, it's,
2029
01:30:05.270 --> 01:30:07.489
it's women hating on other women. It's really, it's really
2030
01:30:07.529 --> 01:30:08.130
annoying to see.
2031
01:30:08.529 --> 01:30:11.430
But it's also, it's like, where were they saying that
2032
01:30:11.489 --> 01:30:13.729
sports were set back when David Beckham, when is it
2033
01:30:13.810 --> 01:30:16.159
was in his underwear and ripped his house selling cologne?
2034
01:30:16.539 --> 01:30:20.399
How did that not set men's sports back decades and
2035
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.079
generations because he's only selling sex to other women? It's
2036
01:30:24.100 --> 01:30:27.260
like the double standard is ridiculous, number one.
2037
01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:29.039
Wait, wait. By the way, it's like if you look
2038
01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:32.180
at the outfits that a gymnast wears, look at the
2039
01:30:32.220 --> 01:30:36.380
men's outfits versus a woman's outfits or a woman track
2040
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:39.640
and field athlete. You don't have to have your thing
2041
01:30:39.699 --> 01:30:42.050
going up your butt. That's a choice that they chose
2042
01:30:42.100 --> 01:30:45.539
to make. And I'm not saying that that makes them–
2043
01:30:46.090 --> 01:30:48.529
overtly sexual in any way i'm just saying it's like
2044
01:30:49.569 --> 01:30:52.140
you didn't have to wear that so the idea that
2045
01:30:52.300 --> 01:30:54.979
this is somehow offensive it's just it's it's women hating
2046
01:30:55.060 --> 01:30:55.979
on her it's.
2047
01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:00.939
Yeah, and weirdly enough, I do think because ever since
2048
01:31:01.489 --> 01:31:04.470
the jeans ad that she did, the Calvin Klein jeans ad,
2049
01:31:04.970 --> 01:31:05.869
that and.
2050
01:31:06.109 --> 01:31:07.350
American Eagle. It was American Eagle.
2051
01:31:07.369 --> 01:31:08.289
American Eagle.
2052
01:31:08.310 --> 01:31:10.430
And that whole birthday party she had for her mom
2053
01:31:10.449 --> 01:31:11.810
because I don't know if you remember when that was
2054
01:31:11.869 --> 01:31:12.489
a thing that– That.
2055
01:31:12.430 --> 01:31:14.380
They were wearing– I think someone was wearing a MAGA
2056
01:31:14.409 --> 01:31:15.760
hat at the birthday party.
2057
01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:19.680
So a whole section of the internet fully believes that
2058
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:22.520
she's like a full-on Republican and all that. So that
2059
01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.479
adds on to it. Anything she's going to do, people
2060
01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:26.319
are going to hate her for.
2061
01:31:26.380 --> 01:31:28.930
I think that's the undertone among all this is that
2062
01:31:28.970 --> 01:31:30.510
they think she's like a closet Republican.
2063
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.609
Well, you look at that because Sadie Sink just did
2064
01:31:32.649 --> 01:31:34.789
her ad for Calvin Klein where Sadie Sink is basically
2065
01:31:34.829 --> 01:31:38.149
naked in the Calvin Klein jeans and wearing underwear and
2066
01:31:38.170 --> 01:31:41.029
stuff like that. And Sadie Sink has gotten zero backlash.
2067
01:31:41.590 --> 01:31:41.810
None.
2068
01:31:42.090 --> 01:31:46.750
And before Sidney Sweeney did the great jeans ad. Beyonce
2069
01:31:47.310 --> 01:31:51.250
did basically the same exact ad for American Eagle or
2070
01:31:51.270 --> 01:31:54.489
I think it was American Eagle and got nothing. So
2071
01:31:54.689 --> 01:31:58.140
it all is political. It's all an undertone in that way.
2072
01:31:58.189 --> 01:32:01.659
And it's because, and I think too, it's less that
2073
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:04.520
she even had someone wearing MAGA and it's more that
2074
01:32:04.579 --> 01:32:07.560
she didn't announce them and she's not fully on the left, right?
2075
01:32:07.979 --> 01:32:10.140
If she sat there and she was like, I don't
2076
01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:13.510
like them. I believe in free Palestine. Women have every
2077
01:32:13.550 --> 01:32:16.369
right to kill every baby they want. Like, Then they'd
2078
01:32:16.390 --> 01:32:18.029
be like, oh, it's okay. She can make whatever ad
2079
01:32:18.050 --> 01:32:22.390
she wants. She's hot. Yeah. But because she just is like,
2080
01:32:22.529 --> 01:32:24.720
fuck you. I don't do politics. I just want to
2081
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:28.189
entertain people. Then she's getting more of it because when
2082
01:32:28.229 --> 01:32:29.670
you don't pick a side, it's worse.
2083
01:32:29.869 --> 01:32:33.390
To take it out of the political bit with another
2084
01:32:33.470 --> 01:32:35.949
woman who has gotten some backlash from other women.
2085
01:32:36.289 --> 01:32:37.470
This is from EV Magazine.
2086
01:32:37.789 --> 01:32:40.390
Andy Navarrete is facing another round of backlash after a
2087
01:32:40.409 --> 01:32:43.699
playful moment with her Obsession co-star Michael Johnston went viral.
2088
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:47.119
Critics called her insufferable and accused her of acting like
2089
01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:49.960
a pick-me, while fans say she was literally just having
2090
01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:52.520
fun and being herself. Has the internet already turned? And
2091
01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:54.119
I don't care what this chick says, but this is
2092
01:32:54.189 --> 01:32:56.130
like what was happening in the Hot Ones episode.
2093
01:32:56.659 --> 01:32:57.039
This is all.
2094
01:32:58.260 --> 01:32:58.380
What?
2095
01:32:58.420 --> 01:33:00.000
She was just like putting a spoon in her mouth?
2096
01:33:00.180 --> 01:33:00.640
Yeah.
2097
01:33:00.699 --> 01:33:03.819
She was having fun. She was just being playful. She
2098
01:33:03.859 --> 01:33:06.569
was having a feminine side, which is not allowed to
2099
01:33:06.609 --> 01:33:07.489
happen anymore.
2100
01:33:07.529 --> 01:33:12.409
Now, didn't Indy Navra– she's playing someone in– Rogue. She's
2101
01:33:12.430 --> 01:33:15.649
playing Rogue. And I think she said like– She is
2102
01:33:15.729 --> 01:33:19.109
going to dive into her roots as like a Southern bell.
2103
01:33:19.739 --> 01:33:23.079
And cause she's, she's not from like, she's from down
2104
01:33:23.220 --> 01:33:26.319
South and she's like, I want to play bell, you know,
2105
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:29.119
play rogue as close as I can to her Southern bell.
2106
01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:31.930
And a lot of people are against rogue as a
2107
01:33:31.949 --> 01:33:33.829
Southern bell character. Cause they look at it as like,
2108
01:33:34.409 --> 01:33:37.210
she was very antebellum and very much in that sense.
2109
01:33:37.750 --> 01:33:39.630
So in the number, it was already getting shit for
2110
01:33:39.670 --> 01:33:43.180
her playing. She wants to play rogue authentically. And it's like,
2111
01:33:44.260 --> 01:33:46.770
people are just trying to find reasons to get mad
2112
01:33:46.810 --> 01:33:48.109
now that i do have a reason to be mad
2113
01:33:48.510 --> 01:33:51.189
did you see the fucking slob they were getting to
2114
01:33:51.229 --> 01:33:55.390
play moaning myrtle and fucking harry potter this this they
2115
01:33:55.430 --> 01:33:57.569
them is like two tons of fun and it's like
2116
01:33:57.909 --> 01:34:01.270
moaning myrtle is not just like is it she's not
2117
01:34:01.329 --> 01:34:04.399
some fat chick that's crying there's a reason why she's
2118
01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:07.020
there and that's not at all the way she's described
2119
01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:08.899
in the books and you're thinking I don't care if
2120
01:34:08.939 --> 01:34:11.539
they're fat, but they cast them not because of her talent.
2121
01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:13.180
And you look at her pictures. Like, I don't think
2122
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:15.590
she's ever taken a casting picture in her life. They
2123
01:34:15.810 --> 01:34:19.189
all look like taken from like a fucking 1990s flip phone.
2124
01:34:19.510 --> 01:34:21.300
Like all the pictures I've seen of this chick, like,
2125
01:34:22.189 --> 01:34:23.569
What the fuck is wrong with people?
2126
01:34:23.590 --> 01:34:25.890
This is the TV show they're making?
2127
01:34:25.930 --> 01:34:28.310
Yeah, the new Harry Potter, which Black Snape is already
2128
01:34:28.329 --> 01:34:31.850
going to make this thing awful because now Harry is
2129
01:34:31.890 --> 01:34:34.869
a giant racist and so is James Potter. They don't
2130
01:34:35.029 --> 01:34:39.619
realize what they did. James Potter tortured Severus Snape. hung
2131
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:44.600
the motherfucker from a tree okay like well like that it's.
2132
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:47.640
Awful they haven't announced like all of the cast yet
2133
01:34:47.659 --> 01:34:50.520
so there is a possibility that another person the character
2134
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:52.789
in that group is black so it doesn't necessarily have
2135
01:34:52.829 --> 01:34:54.149
the racist i don't.
2136
01:34:54.050 --> 01:34:56.409
Know but either way he's just an uncle tom so
2137
01:34:56.470 --> 01:34:59.930
either way just stupid casting because they said they were
2138
01:34:59.949 --> 01:35:03.319
going to be more faithful to to the books and
2139
01:35:03.380 --> 01:35:04.159
to the IP.
2140
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:05.500
And then all of a sudden Snape is black.
2141
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:08.079
So it's like, obviously it's well, they're calling it philosopher's stone.
2142
01:35:08.100 --> 01:35:10.520
So don't, you know, it's more faithful already because they
2143
01:35:10.539 --> 01:35:11.770
gave it the British name.
2144
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:13.010
Yeah.
2145
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.090
Overall, the Sydney Sweeney stuff is stupid. Dave, do you
2146
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:16.850
want to jump into the Holly road thing? Because I
2147
01:35:16.890 --> 01:35:17.829
also think that's retarded.
2148
01:35:18.029 --> 01:35:20.649
Well, I actually wanted to go to someone else who
2149
01:35:20.689 --> 01:35:21.649
has a bang and bod.
2150
01:35:24.750 --> 01:35:25.670
We saw on.
2151
01:35:25.590 --> 01:35:30.890
An interview very recently, Bill Belichick sitting here looking like this.
2152
01:35:31.689 --> 01:35:34.170
And just for anyone who thinks that this might have
2153
01:35:34.189 --> 01:35:38.729
been photoshopped, it isn't. This is the original video from
2154
01:35:38.770 --> 01:35:39.229
the Tar Heels.
2155
01:35:39.250 --> 01:35:40.829
Who's got bigger tits now, him or Sid?
2156
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:43.159
I'm unsure.
2157
01:35:43.180 --> 01:35:46.060
I don't know what happened here. Pom, what do you
2158
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:46.600
think happened?
2159
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:51.149
I don't know, dude. I was wondering. I mean, him
2160
01:35:51.229 --> 01:35:54.170
or his little 28-year-old girlfriend or whatever she is. I
2161
01:35:54.289 --> 01:35:57.350
don't know who's– Got more going on there. Yeah, this
2162
01:35:57.390 --> 01:35:59.350
is just bad all around. I'm a little– it's like
2163
01:35:59.390 --> 01:36:00.770
uncomfortable to watch it, don't you think?
2164
01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.680
I think he's juicing. I think he's juicing and I
2165
01:36:05.739 --> 01:36:09.640
think that it's– the chest is coming like first in
2166
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:11.899
terms of like I think he's really like– bulking up
2167
01:36:11.979 --> 01:36:15.289
and juicing so right now we're seeing an old saggy
2168
01:36:15.329 --> 01:36:18.670
body with like steroid tits and i really think like
2169
01:36:18.750 --> 01:36:20.970
we are going to find out that he's just taking
2170
01:36:21.029 --> 01:36:23.819
a ton of hgh a ton of stem cell injections
2171
01:36:23.979 --> 01:36:27.100
a ton of juice and he's just trying to impress
2172
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.600
and keep 28 year old hot thing Um, for as
2173
01:36:30.729 --> 01:36:33.210
long as possible. Like, I really think like he's going
2174
01:36:33.229 --> 01:36:35.109
to take off his shirt one day and he's going
2175
01:36:35.130 --> 01:36:37.609
to look like old school Arnold. Just like, and then
2176
01:36:37.630 --> 01:36:39.909
we're all going to be laughing and he's just going
2177
01:36:39.930 --> 01:36:41.270
to be roiding out in the sideline.
2178
01:36:41.529 --> 01:36:43.909
It's, it's what makes it extra awkward though.
2179
01:36:43.949 --> 01:36:46.210
It's not only his frame because like, how can you
2180
01:36:46.229 --> 01:36:48.229
take your eyes off of whatever the fuck's going on here?
2181
01:36:48.489 --> 01:36:51.670
But this guy is sitting as upright as possible.
2182
01:36:52.010 --> 01:36:54.909
Like, I feel like he knows what's happening.
2183
01:36:55.250 --> 01:36:57.770
He's trying to make eye contact the whole time.
2184
01:36:57.899 --> 01:36:59.800
He can't stop staring at his tits.
2185
01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:00.819
Hide that a little bit, dude.
2186
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:02.819
Come on, sit up.
2187
01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:07.420
Do you think someone, like, is Bill Belichick at the
2188
01:37:07.460 --> 01:37:10.260
point where nobody tells him something's wrong? Like, is he
2189
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.539
there where someone's not looking at him going like, Bill,
2190
01:37:12.579 --> 01:37:15.319
you got tits. Like, we need to get you a
2191
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:17.460
bro from Seinfeld. Like, what are we doing?
2192
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.560
Dude, that's exactly what that is. You don't tell Bill
2193
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:22.699
Belichick what's going on.
2194
01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:26.510
He's Bill Belichick. If you ever watch his show, you
2195
01:37:26.770 --> 01:37:27.710
have boobs.
2196
01:37:28.630 --> 01:37:29.329
I think he knows.
2197
01:37:29.409 --> 01:37:30.529
Figure it out, man.
2198
01:37:30.550 --> 01:37:32.590
It has been a light.
2199
01:37:32.989 --> 01:37:37.869
Wear a baggier t-shirt. Like, a baggier sweatshirt. Like, I
2200
01:37:37.890 --> 01:37:42.510
don't know. That's... That's off-putting. I was hoping it was photoshopped.
2201
01:37:42.850 --> 01:37:46.340
No, no. It genuinely makes me uncomfortable.
2202
01:37:46.350 --> 01:37:46.949
I'm not going to lie.
2203
01:37:46.949 --> 01:37:48.420
Tom, you like to hit the gym. Have you ever
2204
01:37:48.460 --> 01:37:50.439
wanted to be big enough where you just straight up
2205
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:50.960
have tits?
2206
01:37:54.340 --> 01:37:54.579
No.
2207
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:56.180
I'll say no, I haven't.
2208
01:37:56.439 --> 01:37:57.939
By the way, I'm as small as I've been in
2209
01:37:58.010 --> 01:38:00.689
about 10 years. So I'm lean and mean right now.
2210
01:38:01.050 --> 01:38:02.970
You're just hoping on the golf game, that big muscle.
2211
01:38:03.029 --> 01:38:05.670
You can't actually get the swing you need when you're
2212
01:38:05.710 --> 01:38:06.430
that muscular.
2213
01:38:06.449 --> 01:38:09.239
Yeah. I'd agree with you, except my golf game hasn't
2214
01:38:09.260 --> 01:38:11.939
gotten any better. So that's out the window. So now
2215
01:38:11.979 --> 01:38:12.380
you know what?
2216
01:38:13.619 --> 01:38:16.699
Pom, now that you have hit your golf game, your
2217
01:38:16.739 --> 01:38:18.350
golf game was as good as it was ever going
2218
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.850
to be. Goodbye. You're not going to find those weekends
2219
01:38:20.890 --> 01:38:22.850
as they get older and they start doing sports and
2220
01:38:22.869 --> 01:38:27.430
you're coaching. Goodbye, golf game. It was as good as
2221
01:38:27.470 --> 01:38:31.979
it ever was. Nate, she's saying looking like Hans or Franz. Yeah,
2222
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:34.869
it's like it is. Get the fuck off the screen, Dave.
2223
01:38:34.890 --> 01:38:38.449
What are we doing? Get out of here.
2224
01:38:38.529 --> 01:38:40.109
It's almost hypnotizing in a way.
2225
01:38:40.130 --> 01:38:43.529
It's terrifying. It really is what it is. Do we
2226
01:38:43.569 --> 01:38:45.229
want to talk about Holly Roe? I don't care about
2227
01:38:45.250 --> 01:38:45.689
Holly Roe.
2228
01:38:46.430 --> 01:38:47.210
We don't have to.
2229
01:38:47.550 --> 01:38:49.350
I just wanted to say that it was stupid to
2230
01:38:49.449 --> 01:38:52.680
have Arch give an apology in any fucking way. And
2231
01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:57.729
it's even dumber that media... personalities are making this a
2232
01:38:57.770 --> 01:39:02.399
huge thing which when yet again we have heard nary
2233
01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:05.600
a fucking peep about diana russini and how much she
2234
01:39:05.659 --> 01:39:09.319
put women back in fucking sports journalism we barely hear
2235
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:11.899
about her and apparently she is coming with her side
2236
01:39:11.939 --> 01:39:13.739
of this story maybe she'll.
2237
01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:16.840
Talk i was getting loud by variable but while he
2238
01:39:16.859 --> 01:39:17.640
was married.
2239
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:19.960
And arch manning saying he's laughing at an ai video
2240
01:39:19.979 --> 01:39:22.939
that was dumb and then all of a sudden you
2241
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:24.899
got to make this kid apologize.
2242
01:39:24.420 --> 01:39:26.590
Here's all i have to say about this Holly Rose
2243
01:39:26.609 --> 01:39:31.250
has been a sideline reporter forever. It's not that hard
2244
01:39:31.289 --> 01:39:34.010
to be a sideline reporter. Okay. It's not difficult. That
2245
01:39:34.069 --> 01:39:37.189
is the lowest version of reporter. You put interns there. Okay.
2246
01:39:37.829 --> 01:39:41.920
Holly Rose, not that talented. She's not that talented. If
2247
01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:44.539
she was really any sort of talented, she would have
2248
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:47.199
went from there and eventually made it to commentary or desk.
2249
01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:50.399
That just tells me she's not very good at her job.
2250
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:52.579
They just keep her on the sidelines. She's probably really
2251
01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:55.189
fucking annoying. That's why Sark was like, leave me alone.
2252
01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:58.850
Horns up. Go away. I mean, Sark's an asshole.
2253
01:39:59.229 --> 01:40:01.369
What was so offensive about it? Like he didn't take
2254
01:40:01.390 --> 01:40:03.069
the interview and said hook him or whatever?
2255
01:40:03.090 --> 01:40:05.130
He didn't take the interview. He said hook him because
2256
01:40:06.109 --> 01:40:07.909
he was going to take an interview at halftime and
2257
01:40:07.930 --> 01:40:10.479
there was a major issue with like their tech and
2258
01:40:10.489 --> 01:40:12.840
they wasted his time. Like they had him waiting there
2259
01:40:12.859 --> 01:40:14.460
for 10 minutes when he could have been back there
2260
01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:17.800
getting prepped and coaching and doing his job. So when
2261
01:40:17.819 --> 01:40:20.560
they won the game, he just came up and was like,
2262
01:40:20.819 --> 01:40:23.819
hook them and dipped. And there was an AI video
2263
01:40:24.579 --> 01:40:26.460
of him like slapping Holly.
2264
01:40:26.579 --> 01:40:28.460
I saw him backhanding her.
2265
01:40:28.539 --> 01:40:30.720
And Arch laughed at it. Arch did like a laughing
2266
01:40:30.739 --> 01:40:31.539
emoji or something.
2267
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:32.319
No, no.
2268
01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:32.859
Dude, I saw it.
2269
01:40:33.890 --> 01:40:35.439
I think this is actually good for him in a
2270
01:40:35.470 --> 01:40:39.079
sense because– whatever. He shouldn't have said that. Is it
2271
01:40:39.100 --> 01:40:41.590
a big deal? No, but like throughout your career, you're
2272
01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.289
going to be in the NFL at some point. Like
2273
01:40:43.729 --> 01:40:45.529
you just have to start changing the way you think
2274
01:40:45.569 --> 01:40:47.409
about some of these things. Like we could joke about
2275
01:40:47.430 --> 01:40:49.329
that stuff and no one gives a shit. Cause it
2276
01:40:49.350 --> 01:40:53.189
was cause the video is objectively funny. Uh, but, uh, dude,
2277
01:40:53.210 --> 01:40:54.850
when you're Arsh Manning, I think you have to just
2278
01:40:54.890 --> 01:40:57.399
know that you, if you do stuff like that, you
2279
01:40:57.439 --> 01:40:59.399
have the whole world watching you and it's just not
2280
01:40:59.420 --> 01:41:01.479
worth the trouble. And, uh, you have to just carry
2281
01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:03.699
yourself a little bit differently. And cause dude, everyone's going
2282
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:05.439
to forget about this in a week and he'll be
2283
01:41:05.460 --> 01:41:07.859
better off for it. Um, you know, just say you
2284
01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:09.380
shouldn't have said it, apologize and move on and be
2285
01:41:09.420 --> 01:41:09.789
done with it.
2286
01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:11.640
I don't know. I think you get more respect if
2287
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.359
you were just like, it was an AI video. It
2288
01:41:13.390 --> 01:41:16.569
was objectively funny. Holly Roe needs to back off. Holly
2289
01:41:16.590 --> 01:41:17.569
Roe is nobody.
2290
01:41:17.770 --> 01:41:20.149
Well, the thing is in like, cause I think Holly,
2291
01:41:20.310 --> 01:41:22.569
I don't even know if Holly necessarily asked for an apology.
2292
01:41:22.890 --> 01:41:26.350
It was the sports journalists all over the place, raining
2293
01:41:26.409 --> 01:41:28.970
hell about how bad this is and all that. And
2294
01:41:28.989 --> 01:41:32.439
it's just like, You guys don't blow up about anything
2295
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.500
fucking serious. What are you blowing up about this for?
2296
01:41:35.779 --> 01:41:38.100
This is retarded. Like, this is really dumb.
2297
01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:40.539
It's different if it's someone real status, right? Like, if
2298
01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.619
it's like Doris Burke. Doris Burke calls basketball games now. Like,
2299
01:41:43.739 --> 01:41:45.239
I don't think she's very good at it, but she
2300
01:41:45.260 --> 01:41:49.060
at least calls national games. That's a legitimate journalist. That's
2301
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:53.039
a legitimate person that's important in the sports journalism world.
2302
01:41:53.100 --> 01:41:56.739
Or like, you know, Hannah Storm or something like that. Like,
2303
01:41:56.779 --> 01:42:02.140
someone that deserves respect. You're just a sideline reporter. I'm sorry.
2304
01:42:02.180 --> 01:42:03.560
Like I'm not going to be mean to like– I
2305
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.220
know like people take pride in it and like we've
2306
01:42:06.260 --> 01:42:09.119
had Michelle Tafoya. I think Michelle Tafoya is awesome. She's
2307
01:42:09.140 --> 01:42:11.180
a great woman. But Michelle– I don't know if Michelle
2308
01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:13.909
ever wanted to be more. But it's like if all
2309
01:42:13.970 --> 01:42:16.329
you've aspired to be is a sideline reporter, it probably
2310
01:42:16.369 --> 01:42:19.510
pays well. But it's like that's like the lowest form
2311
01:42:19.810 --> 01:42:23.090
of sports journalism ever. I don't know. I don't have
2312
01:42:23.109 --> 01:42:25.010
as much respect for it. I really don't. Maybe I should,
2313
01:42:25.369 --> 01:42:27.289
but I don't know.
2314
01:42:28.010 --> 01:42:30.609
How many reporters, men and women, will do a story
2315
01:42:30.729 --> 01:42:32.449
about some dude who beat the shit out of his
2316
01:42:32.470 --> 01:42:35.069
girlfriend and the story's about when's this guy going to
2317
01:42:35.109 --> 01:42:37.329
come back and play? They don't really care about the
2318
01:42:37.369 --> 01:42:39.869
domestic violence. They care about the sports angle, but now
2319
01:42:39.890 --> 01:42:43.479
it's an AI video and you're worried that Arch Manning
2320
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:44.100
laughed at it.
2321
01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:45.069
Come on.
2322
01:42:45.859 --> 01:42:48.960
That's the main thing for me. They're grandstanding.
2323
01:42:49.300 --> 01:42:49.560
Yes.
2324
01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:54.640
Yeah. It's just how ridiculous this has become when nowhere
2325
01:42:54.699 --> 01:42:57.350
near the amount of energy is used in other areas.
2326
01:42:57.390 --> 01:42:59.090
And I'm going to keep bringing it back to the
2327
01:42:59.130 --> 01:43:02.090
variable Rossini thing, because that is one of the biggest
2328
01:43:02.130 --> 01:43:04.699
stories we've had out of the NFL that they did
2329
01:43:04.739 --> 01:43:07.279
not give a fuck about. It's ridiculous.
2330
01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:10.920
That actually sent women reporters back because what's the lesson there?
2331
01:43:11.060 --> 01:43:12.819
You have to kind of fuck your way to the top.
2332
01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:15.930
And there's been women saying that coaches and assistant coaches
2333
01:43:15.970 --> 01:43:18.430
won't talk to them now. Like they won't get stories
2334
01:43:18.449 --> 01:43:21.189
because they don't want to seem like it's like improper.
2335
01:43:21.310 --> 01:43:24.310
And, you know, Aaron Rodgers says Aaron Rodgers, whatever the
2336
01:43:24.350 --> 01:43:25.119
fuck he wants to be.
2337
01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:27.880
You know, to stay with the Jets. I don't give
2338
01:43:27.899 --> 01:43:28.039
a fuck.
2339
01:43:28.460 --> 01:43:32.539
But him going on McAfee and going on Cam's podcast,
2340
01:43:32.579 --> 01:43:34.510
even though he said some things about Cheyenne Woodley wanting
2341
01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:36.529
to fuck another guy before they got married, which is crazy.
2342
01:43:36.850 --> 01:43:37.689
That was weird.
2343
01:43:37.729 --> 01:43:38.430
Yeah, that was really weird.
2344
01:43:39.989 --> 01:43:42.369
But him bringing it up and saying, this is someone
2345
01:43:42.409 --> 01:43:44.989
voting for coach of the year. This is someone voting
2346
01:43:45.060 --> 01:43:49.159
for MVP. But it goes further than that. This is
2347
01:43:49.260 --> 01:43:52.680
someone that has had genuine fucking clout in the industry.
2348
01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.859
Genuine big clout in the industry. This is someone that
2349
01:43:55.899 --> 01:44:01.520
can help manipulate trades and do certain things for the
2350
01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.159
Patriots or for whatever fucking team that she wanted to.
2351
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:04.699
Be nice to.
2352
01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:08.100
So it's much bigger than just the voting. The fact
2353
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:10.039
that the conflict of interest there and the fact that
2354
01:44:10.060 --> 01:44:12.420
journalists didn't really give a fuck about it makes me
2355
01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:14.779
not care about anything they want to bring energy to
2356
01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:17.550
anymore because you obviously do not actually give a fuck
2357
01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:18.270
about your profession.
2358
01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:21.270
And also Dan Levitard has been retarded for a long time,
2359
01:44:21.310 --> 01:44:23.310
but God, he's a giant pussy on this. He really is.
2360
01:44:23.529 --> 01:44:25.229
She's my friend and I'm not going to say anything.
2361
01:44:25.270 --> 01:44:26.930
I spoke to her on the phone. Then you know what?
2362
01:44:26.949 --> 01:44:30.340
Dan Levitard, stop having fake opinions. Cause obviously you have
2363
01:44:30.420 --> 01:44:34.279
when the shit, it's a fan. You have zero. Like
2364
01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:36.739
Dan Levitard lost a lot of credibility a long time
2365
01:44:36.779 --> 01:44:38.220
because he's a leftist loser.
2366
01:44:38.739 --> 01:44:40.729
But yeah, Sad because I like Poppy.
2367
01:44:41.170 --> 01:44:45.289
I love Poppy. Obviously, Poppy raised a retard. But, you know,
2368
01:44:45.449 --> 01:44:48.340
Dan Labrador is a leftist loser. Stugatz isn't much better.
2369
01:44:48.739 --> 01:44:50.319
And they have a breakup and they're trying to get
2370
01:44:50.359 --> 01:44:52.300
back together. And it just goes to show like Dan
2371
01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:55.520
doesn't give a shit about his friends either. But, I mean,
2372
01:44:55.539 --> 01:44:57.430
he was a close to Rossini and he's like, well,
2373
01:44:57.520 --> 01:44:59.329
I'm not going to touch it and everything. But then
2374
01:44:59.350 --> 01:45:01.310
you're fake. Then you're fake.
2375
01:45:01.729 --> 01:45:05.090
Isn't that what journalistic integrity is? He's a talking head though.
2376
01:45:05.109 --> 01:45:07.069
That's the problem. Talking heads can get away with that.
2377
01:45:07.340 --> 01:45:09.520
Where the difference is you have a guy like Colin
2378
01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.600
Coward who actually put a few segments to it. People
2379
01:45:11.619 --> 01:45:13.939
can hate Colin Coward. But Colin Coward put a few
2380
01:45:13.979 --> 01:45:17.479
segments towards just how big and the implications that this is,
2381
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.880
the ramifications. Stephen A. Smith, love him or hate him,
2382
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:23.819
talked about it, right? He brought it up on his show.
2383
01:45:24.380 --> 01:45:26.779
And we don't even need to bring up the dumb
2384
01:45:26.819 --> 01:45:29.279
spat between Stephen A., Kerry Champion, and Jemele Hill.
2385
01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:30.359
That's hilarious.
2386
01:45:30.460 --> 01:45:34.250
We're Kerry Champion and Jemele Hill. Here's the thing. If
2387
01:45:34.369 --> 01:45:39.109
you start off a conversation with as a insert blank,
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01:45:39.390 --> 01:45:42.810
you've automatically lost. You are retarded and you've lost as
2389
01:45:42.890 --> 01:45:45.590
a blank. Shut the fuck up then because if all
2390
01:45:45.630 --> 01:45:48.609
you are is your immutable characteristic, then you're a loser.
2391
01:45:49.369 --> 01:45:51.939
then you have nothing going for you. And that was, yeah,
2392
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:53.140
it was funny because Stephen.
2393
01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:57.319
Dude, I've used that line so many times and it's
2394
01:45:57.399 --> 01:46:00.899
not about being black or being, it's that is like
2395
01:46:01.100 --> 01:46:04.060
as a nurse, as a teacher, as a engineer, like
2396
01:46:04.659 --> 01:46:07.819
as a scientist, it's like, dude, you start that off, dude.
2397
01:46:07.890 --> 01:46:09.729
I don't care what you have to say. It's like,
2398
01:46:09.770 --> 01:46:11.310
it's like, and when I ear out the other, it's
2399
01:46:11.329 --> 01:46:13.289
like your opinion needs to stand on its own based
2400
01:46:13.350 --> 01:46:15.510
on facts and evidence, not because of whatever.
2401
01:46:16.369 --> 01:46:19.189
And, you know, it's different to say, you know, like
2402
01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:22.340
within my expertise, right? Like if I'm talking about like
2403
01:46:22.380 --> 01:46:25.640
properties and stuff and you obviously are very, you know,
2404
01:46:25.659 --> 01:46:27.539
your real estate, you've been doing it for a long time.
2405
01:46:27.899 --> 01:46:30.739
You understand like values and shit like that. It's very
2406
01:46:30.779 --> 01:46:33.460
different than being like, listen, in my field in real estate,
2407
01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:35.300
in the years of experience I've had, this is what
2408
01:46:35.380 --> 01:46:35.720
I know.
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01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:36.020
Right.
2410
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:38.319
And as opposed to you being like, well, you know,
2411
01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:41.750
as someone who is in real estate, it's like, that's
2412
01:46:41.770 --> 01:46:45.989
just a pompous way to start putting yourself higher than everyone.
2413
01:46:46.699 --> 01:46:49.439
Yeah, the validation in that sense would be my answer, right?
2414
01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:52.279
Like based on my expertise, here's what I think. It's
2415
01:46:52.300 --> 01:46:54.100
not like, oh, well, I'm a real estate investor, so
2416
01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.130
this is why you have to listen to me. No,
2417
01:46:56.449 --> 01:46:59.869
it's the answer itself. And you hear a lot like
2418
01:47:00.029 --> 01:47:02.350
as a parent, as a mom, as a dad.
2419
01:47:02.369 --> 01:47:03.270
I don't give a fuck.
2420
01:47:03.590 --> 01:47:07.189
I hate all that shit, yeah. All this whole thing
2421
01:47:07.229 --> 01:47:09.979
though with her, it does beg the question to me
2422
01:47:10.180 --> 01:47:13.130
is– Who is Adam Schefter fucking to get all of
2423
01:47:13.170 --> 01:47:13.689
these scoops?
2424
01:47:16.409 --> 01:47:19.449
All the fucking owners. He's their bottom. Adam Schefter is
2425
01:47:19.489 --> 01:47:20.170
a power bottom.
2426
01:47:20.470 --> 01:47:22.930
If that actually were to come out, oh, my God.
2427
01:47:24.010 --> 01:47:25.550
Listen, I will say this.
2428
01:47:25.989 --> 01:47:26.909
I will say this.
2429
01:47:27.130 --> 01:47:27.609
Another story.
2430
01:47:28.090 --> 01:47:32.130
I have learned shit about insiders in sports industry that
2431
01:47:32.170 --> 01:47:37.920
would make you think. a lot different about them. I
2432
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:42.220
will just say that there's a lot of people that
2433
01:47:42.300 --> 01:47:44.420
you think you know that are on the up and
2434
01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:48.010
up and they are not. And we'll leave it at that.
2435
01:47:48.590 --> 01:47:50.489
We'll leave it at that.
2436
01:47:50.510 --> 01:47:53.189
That's so easy to believe. The stakes are so high
2437
01:47:53.310 --> 01:47:55.770
for where one big story like this can make your
2438
01:47:55.789 --> 01:47:58.289
career or put you on some trajectory. I would not
2439
01:47:58.329 --> 01:48:01.369
be surprised by what you're saying at all. And obviously
2440
01:48:01.430 --> 01:48:02.069
it happens.
2441
01:48:02.460 --> 01:48:05.659
It's not about reporting. It's about fucking chasing.
2442
01:48:05.729 --> 01:48:08.789
What do you guys think when you ever see reporters
2443
01:48:08.829 --> 01:48:12.090
get in a spat about who dropped the story first?
2444
01:48:12.149 --> 01:48:14.130
And I'm just like, dude, the fans don't give a
2445
01:48:14.369 --> 01:48:18.909
fuck about that. It's like reporters saying, hey, actually, Alex
2446
01:48:18.970 --> 01:48:21.560
Cuesta had that story. first on CBS2.
2447
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:24.260
Here's what happens, though, because here's the problem with that.
2448
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.979
And I'll say this. The reason why that does matter, though,
2449
01:48:28.430 --> 01:48:31.390
is because people like Schefter, people like Shams, people like
2450
01:48:31.470 --> 01:48:35.619
Woj before Woj left. Would steal stories. And they do
2451
01:48:35.659 --> 01:48:38.779
it all the time. They steal stories. And some of
2452
01:48:38.819 --> 01:48:42.619
your biggest people don't actually have sources. They just wait
2453
01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:44.710
for people that are actually close to it to report it.
2454
01:48:45.140 --> 01:48:46.180
And then they report it.
2455
01:48:46.859 --> 01:48:49.279
And you're saying that like the person reporting it, it's
2456
01:48:49.300 --> 01:48:50.079
just much smaller.
2457
01:48:50.479 --> 01:48:53.680
Is much smaller. And there is some importance to that
2458
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:56.439
small army of people that support that person. They're like, hey,
2459
01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:02.520
fuck face. This person had it. So there is something
2460
01:49:02.689 --> 01:49:07.250
to that where, again, a lot of these reporters get
2461
01:49:07.270 --> 01:49:09.090
it from somewhere else and they didn't actually have it first.
2462
01:49:09.109 --> 01:49:11.890
They just have ESPN behind them. They had Fox Sports
2463
01:49:11.989 --> 01:49:16.949
behind them, amplifying it more. So there is something. It
2464
01:49:17.029 --> 01:49:20.310
does matter. And I feel like you want to go
2465
01:49:20.369 --> 01:49:23.289
back to that original source and support them with the
2466
01:49:23.350 --> 01:49:27.289
follow because, like I said– These big sports insiders, they
2467
01:49:27.310 --> 01:49:28.289
are fucking propped up.
2468
01:49:28.789 --> 01:49:29.029
Okay?
2469
01:49:29.310 --> 01:49:32.069
The biggest ones are propped up. They're fake.
2470
01:49:32.109 --> 01:49:33.640
Just to be clear, I guess what I'm saying, and
2471
01:49:33.659 --> 01:49:35.939
I don't think people should be stealing sources or stories,
2472
01:49:35.979 --> 01:49:38.000
but it's almost like you're throwing a cup of water
2473
01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:39.760
at a tidal wave coming at you. It's like, dude,
2474
01:49:39.779 --> 01:49:43.460
the story's out on X. It's like... The average Joe
2475
01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:45.100
just doesn't give a shit who dropped it. I'm just
2476
01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:46.260
saying it's, you know.
2477
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:51.050
Yeah, there is a lot to that. It's definitely. I
2478
01:49:51.069 --> 01:49:54.289
want to get to some comments here. Caveats saying easy solution.
2479
01:49:54.630 --> 01:49:57.649
Get women out of sports media. I mean, you need
2480
01:49:57.689 --> 01:50:00.899
some hot ones. Like Aaron Andrews was nice. Like you
2481
01:50:00.939 --> 01:50:04.119
need like, again, back to the Sydney Sweeney. Sometimes just
2482
01:50:04.140 --> 01:50:06.640
having hot women on things. Like Fox News got it
2483
01:50:06.680 --> 01:50:08.760
for a long time. Just throw hot blondes at people,
2484
01:50:08.819 --> 01:50:10.380
and then they might believe what you have to say.
2485
01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:13.390
And then you have fucking CNBC throwing Rachel Maddow. Who
2486
01:50:13.409 --> 01:50:15.229
are you going to believe, right? Like who are you
2487
01:50:15.250 --> 01:50:15.729
going to believe?
2488
01:50:16.329 --> 01:50:19.270
Apparently you had– what was it? Rachel Nichols in the
2489
01:50:19.310 --> 01:50:22.789
COVID bubble, the NBA COVID bubble. She was spending time
2490
01:50:22.810 --> 01:50:24.939
with Jimmy Butler. There was a lot of bubbles being
2491
01:50:24.979 --> 01:50:26.439
popped with Rachel. I don't think it was only Jimmy
2492
01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:27.380
Butler with Rachel Nichols.
2493
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:28.640
That was the story I had.
2494
01:50:28.779 --> 01:50:33.220
Rachel Nichols– The NBA and Rachel Nichols were synonymous, I
2495
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:36.340
heard for a little bit. Anyway, Nate, she's saying Dan
2496
01:50:36.380 --> 01:50:39.020
has always been the drizzling shits. He shall never be
2497
01:50:39.060 --> 01:50:42.279
forgiven for unleashing the garbage storm that is Mina Kimes. Yeah.
2498
01:50:42.659 --> 01:50:42.779
Yeah.
2499
01:50:42.819 --> 01:50:46.130
Listen, Dan Lebitard was at his best when he was
2500
01:50:46.210 --> 01:50:48.029
one of the talking heads on Around the Horn on
2501
01:50:48.050 --> 01:50:53.210
the original grouping. When it was him, Woody Page, a
2502
01:50:53.270 --> 01:50:55.850
few of those guys there. And again, listen, I actually
2503
01:50:55.909 --> 01:50:59.029
liked Dan for a good amount of time. I thought
2504
01:50:59.069 --> 01:51:01.579
him and Spugats were really good together.
2505
01:51:01.619 --> 01:51:03.500
I liked the early days of HQ.
2506
01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:05.119
Yeah. Yeah.
2507
01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:08.979
They were really good. And it's fascinating. Honestly, 2016 changed
2508
01:51:09.020 --> 01:51:12.779
everything for a lot of people. That's when people decided
2509
01:51:12.819 --> 01:51:16.159
that politics were more important than their actual integrity. And
2510
01:51:16.189 --> 01:51:17.829
they had to tell you how the fuck they were
2511
01:51:17.850 --> 01:51:20.350
going to vote. And nobody cares. Even though these are
2512
01:51:20.390 --> 01:51:23.020
the same people that were shouting about Obama before. But
2513
01:51:23.060 --> 01:51:25.260
conservatives aren't as big a bitch babies mostly. We just
2514
01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:27.340
make fun of you. And then we lose elections because
2515
01:51:27.359 --> 01:51:28.479
all we do is make fun of you and don't
2516
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:32.979
do anything. Anyway, caveat ties also saying, as a super genius,
2517
01:51:33.149 --> 01:51:35.449
I couldn't agree more. I don't know what you're agreeing with.
2518
01:51:35.550 --> 01:51:37.550
But caveat, if you agreed with it, it's probably wrong
2519
01:51:37.569 --> 01:51:41.270
at this point. Caveat saying, being an expert does mean
2520
01:51:41.310 --> 01:51:44.369
people should automatically listen to you. Being an expert doesn't.
2521
01:51:44.729 --> 01:51:47.270
Being an expert means you have the tool to explain
2522
01:51:47.300 --> 01:51:51.510
your position. Absolutely wrong. I agree on that. So I
2523
01:51:51.550 --> 01:51:53.149
don't know if we're going to jump into politics. We're
2524
01:51:53.170 --> 01:51:56.329
already two hours deep. Where the fuck did the time go?
2525
01:51:56.590 --> 01:51:56.989
I don't know.
2526
01:51:57.369 --> 01:51:57.909
I have no idea.
2527
01:51:57.989 --> 01:51:58.729
Oh, shit.
2528
01:52:00.569 --> 01:52:04.909
We're an hour and 52 deep. We just kind of rambled. Pom,
2529
01:52:05.460 --> 01:52:07.039
this was a ton of fun, man. We got to
2530
01:52:07.060 --> 01:52:08.380
have you back on again. Mm-hmm.
2531
01:52:09.189 --> 01:52:12.630
Dude, any time, man. I am not the sports expert anymore.
2532
01:52:12.670 --> 01:52:14.909
Once you have kids, it's like everything just starts fading
2533
01:52:14.949 --> 01:52:16.529
to the background. So it was a lot of fun
2534
01:52:16.569 --> 01:52:19.300
to chat about some of that stuff. Dude, I've been
2535
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:21.460
waiting to tell somebody about how much fun it was
2536
01:52:21.500 --> 01:52:23.960
to watch Rutgers in 2007 in the fall or whatever.
2537
01:52:23.979 --> 01:52:25.869
And I finally got to talk about it.
2538
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:30.489
So what's funny is we did a show with... Stu Bergeer,
2539
01:52:30.529 --> 01:52:34.670
who is Glenn Beck's longtime producer, senior producer. He him
2540
01:52:34.710 --> 01:52:37.289
and Glenn aren't together as a mutual breakup, so still
2541
01:52:37.310 --> 01:52:39.369
can go pursue things on his own after, what, 30
2542
01:52:39.369 --> 01:52:42.319
years he was stuck with Glenn. And me and Dave
2543
01:52:42.340 --> 01:52:44.479
have been listening to Glenn Beck now for over a decade.
2544
01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:45.979
So we knew who Stu was and he was kind
2545
01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.359
of like a bucket list person. We get Stu on
2546
01:52:48.380 --> 01:52:50.659
the show. We set up the itinerary. We were going
2547
01:52:50.689 --> 01:52:53.750
to talk about some politics. And he has a new
2548
01:52:53.789 --> 01:52:57.510
show called Predictable. And he also does Stu and Dave
2549
01:52:57.529 --> 01:53:00.140
Do America with another one of our former guests, David. Blah, blah, blah.
2550
01:53:00.810 --> 01:53:03.100
We come on here, Pom, and all we do is
2551
01:53:03.140 --> 01:53:05.199
talk for about an hour and a half about sports
2552
01:53:05.300 --> 01:53:05.920
with Stuberger.
2553
01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:07.920
Oh, man. It was great.
2554
01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:10.600
You didn't even get to the meat and potatoes of
2555
01:53:10.619 --> 01:53:11.079
what you wanted.
2556
01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:12.720
But the thing is, we said this to him at
2557
01:53:12.760 --> 01:53:13.800
the end. We're like, we got to have you back
2558
01:53:13.819 --> 01:53:15.220
on and talk about politics. He's like, but this was
2559
01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:17.810
actually a ton of fun. He's like, I never get
2560
01:53:17.850 --> 01:53:20.149
to just talk sports. He's like, I was stuck with
2561
01:53:20.170 --> 01:53:22.250
Glenn for 30 years, and Glenn knows nothing about sports.
2562
01:53:22.270 --> 01:53:25.810
He's like, I don't get to just– It happens. It
2563
01:53:25.850 --> 01:53:29.409
happens where you just get to– unload your useful sports
2564
01:53:29.449 --> 01:53:32.060
knowledge and it's it's a good thing it's euphoric at
2565
01:53:32.079 --> 01:53:33.760
times always a.
2566
01:53:33.739 --> 01:53:35.119
Good hang with you guys man i always have a
2567
01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:35.659
great time.
2568
01:53:35.939 --> 01:53:39.859
Hell yeah so everyone you can go follow palm over
2569
01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.100
on x what is your x handle palm.
2570
01:53:43.210 --> 01:53:45.909
X and instagram are both ant palm 8 a n
2571
01:53:45.949 --> 01:53:48.569
t p a l m 8.
2572
01:53:47.829 --> 01:53:50.430
I quite literally think you've had those since the inception
2573
01:53:50.470 --> 01:53:52.090
of both by the.
2574
01:53:52.069 --> 01:53:56.720
Way that that That is me on Google Street View.
2575
01:53:57.659 --> 01:53:58.859
Oh, wow.
2576
01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:03.159
That's pretty cool. You saw it coming by and you
2577
01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:03.470
did it?
2578
01:54:03.819 --> 01:54:04.579
I saw it.
2579
01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:06.500
I was in the part. By the way, I was
2580
01:54:06.539 --> 01:54:09.329
much bigger there, which I'm very happy about that. It's
2581
01:54:09.369 --> 01:54:10.930
captured forever on Google server.
2582
01:54:10.989 --> 01:54:12.210
Is that cat hishing at this point?
2583
01:54:12.890 --> 01:54:15.869
I hit just about, but my wife's already married to me,
2584
01:54:15.909 --> 01:54:19.609
so tough luck. But I hit the front double bicep
2585
01:54:20.010 --> 01:54:22.250
as the Google car was coming by and I nailed it.
2586
01:54:22.270 --> 01:54:24.109
And by the way, I told everybody about it and
2587
01:54:24.149 --> 01:54:25.770
I had to wait like eight months for the payoff
2588
01:54:25.789 --> 01:54:28.449
when it finally hit the internet. So that probably will
2589
01:54:28.489 --> 01:54:29.050
never change.
2590
01:54:29.069 --> 01:54:30.069
That's awesome.
2591
01:54:30.170 --> 01:54:33.149
How often were you just checking Google Maps? Were you
2592
01:54:33.189 --> 01:54:34.829
checking daily when it came up?
2593
01:54:34.909 --> 01:54:38.729
Weekly. Weekly at that point. Yeah. Eight months. And then
2594
01:54:38.770 --> 01:54:40.689
finally it showed up.
2595
01:54:40.760 --> 01:54:40.949
Yeah.
2596
01:54:41.460 --> 01:54:44.060
I do have to say, I love the Malay quote
2597
01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.779
back there. The Javier Malay quote is, I wipe my
2598
01:54:47.859 --> 01:54:49.859
ass with the state. Chef's kiss.
2599
01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:53.409
Well, he's gotten a little weird with some Israel stuff, though,
2600
01:54:53.449 --> 01:54:56.430
so I don't know about him. If I find something better,
2601
01:54:56.470 --> 01:54:59.529
it's going up there. Go to my pinned tweet, the
2602
01:54:59.569 --> 01:55:00.470
Jeffrey Dahmer one.
2603
01:55:02.189 --> 01:55:03.229
Great.
2604
01:55:03.270 --> 01:55:03.810
Parable.
2605
01:55:03.829 --> 01:55:04.869
You just.
2606
01:55:06.939 --> 01:55:08.100
Don't want a Fed post, you know?
2607
01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:11.220
When someone asks you how you feel about government, that
2608
01:55:11.539 --> 01:55:13.159
is me, dude. That is me in a nutshell.
2609
01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:18.270
Here's the thing. It's so funny, too, now where we're at.
2610
01:55:18.390 --> 01:55:21.399
I will say there is a little bit of a
2611
01:55:21.430 --> 01:55:24.489
paradoxical switch because back in the day, it was the
2612
01:55:24.569 --> 01:55:27.350
leftists that were like, man, the government's out to get you, blah, blah, blah.
2613
01:55:27.869 --> 01:55:30.210
And now it's more of the conservatives or outside of
2614
01:55:30.649 --> 01:55:36.659
the truly mega zealots. you have like conservatives are still like, no,
2615
01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:39.289
the government's fucking terrible. And you know what? The leftists
2616
01:55:39.329 --> 01:55:42.130
were right 30 years ago about all the government experiments
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01:55:42.170 --> 01:55:45.109
and everything and all that. Like you guys were correct
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01:55:45.170 --> 01:55:47.479
on that. We will grant you that. But now the
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01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:49.899
left is all just like government experts.
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01:55:50.140 --> 01:55:50.640
Hooray.
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01:55:50.739 --> 01:55:53.609
Like, So it's, it's a weird flip. And again, like
2622
01:55:53.649 --> 01:55:55.430
I said, you are a libertarian and you guys are
2623
01:55:55.449 --> 01:55:57.090
always just like, is it in the constitution?
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01:55:57.149 --> 01:55:57.310
Nope.
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01:55:57.609 --> 01:55:59.489
Don't do it. Like that's about it.
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01:55:59.529 --> 01:56:01.649
So, but there's a lot you can make fun of
2627
01:56:01.670 --> 01:56:04.020
me for, but we're logically consistent. That's what I say.
2628
01:56:05.119 --> 01:56:08.300
I can, I can argue with libertarians a lot. We
2629
01:56:08.340 --> 01:56:10.229
actually did. Did you see, we had Mike Tremont on.
2630
01:56:11.149 --> 01:56:11.649
No, I didn't.
2631
01:56:11.670 --> 01:56:12.890
No, I don't know. That was a great episode. I'll
2632
01:56:12.909 --> 01:56:14.869
have to check that out. Me and Mike got into
2633
01:56:14.890 --> 01:56:19.149
a very nice debate about the courts and what, you know,
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01:56:19.170 --> 01:56:22.819
the federal courts, their jurisdiction, their rulings, and how they
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01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:25.920
should be treated when they make bullshit, you know, injunctions
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01:56:25.979 --> 01:56:28.479
and stuff like that. And I ended up getting proven
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01:56:28.500 --> 01:56:30.979
true in the Supreme Court later. But no, Mike's great.
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01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:34.279
And here's the thing. I said forever, and I'll say
2639
01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.689
it again about Mike, he's running for VP again, and
2640
01:56:37.210 --> 01:56:40.939
I'm whatever I disagree with Mike Tremont on, I know
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01:56:40.979 --> 01:56:43.439
Mike Tremont is a straight shooter and he believes what
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01:56:43.479 --> 01:56:45.289
he believes and he's going to go up there and
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01:56:45.310 --> 01:56:47.090
he's going to try and do the best that he can.
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01:56:47.569 --> 01:56:51.010
And he'll also listen. Like he's a libertarian. I like him.
2645
01:56:51.029 --> 01:56:54.170
I like Larry sharp. I've talked to Larry before. Larry is,
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01:56:54.649 --> 01:56:57.560
you know, he's running for governor again here in New York. Um,
2647
01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:00.300
I like Larry a lot. He's another straight shooter. You
2648
01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:01.920
have some other people in your party that I can
2649
01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:02.399
give and take.
2650
01:57:03.100 --> 01:57:08.279
Um, but yeah, No argument for me, dude. By the way,
2651
01:57:08.300 --> 01:57:10.619
I identify as like a little L libertarian. Like I'm
2652
01:57:10.659 --> 01:57:13.710
not really so much into the libertarian party, more of
2653
01:57:13.750 --> 01:57:14.430
the philosophy.
2654
01:57:14.510 --> 01:57:16.369
No one hates libertarians more than libertarians.
2655
01:57:16.390 --> 01:57:20.590
That's the thing. Every libertarian I've talked.
2656
01:57:20.310 --> 01:57:22.420
To or I've seen talk– No one's in the party.
2657
01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:27.140
No one– Every single one is a little L libertarian.
2658
01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:30.380
I've never seen someone go, yeah, I'm a big L libertarian.
2659
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:31.680
Like I've never seen that.
2660
01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:33.939
The only one of the New Hampshire. The New Hampshire
2661
01:57:33.970 --> 01:57:36.829
guys are all just like, absolutely, I'm a New Hampshire libertarian.
2662
01:57:37.289 --> 01:57:41.989
Dude, there's just so many weirdos, man. It's like, come on, dude.
2663
01:57:42.529 --> 01:57:44.729
Well, because here's the thing. I know people don't like
2664
01:57:44.770 --> 01:57:47.819
Tim Pool, but Tim Pool describes it correctly. Every single
2665
01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:51.439
one of them just want to bend the law somehow.
2666
01:57:51.460 --> 01:57:53.640
They just want to be left alone. So it's like
2667
01:57:53.859 --> 01:57:56.380
you have that smorgasbord of people that want to be
2668
01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:59.439
left alone from government spying and government overreach. And then
2669
01:57:59.470 --> 01:58:00.750
you have those people who are just like, I want
2670
01:58:00.770 --> 01:58:03.289
to do a ton of drugs and be a prostitute.
2671
01:58:03.550 --> 01:58:06.970
And they all fall into the libertarian pile because it's
2672
01:58:07.029 --> 01:58:09.189
very similar of get government away from me and do
2673
01:58:09.229 --> 01:58:11.539
as little as possible. and it's like then you guys
2674
01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:15.000
have this smorgasbord of people and it's it's an interesting
2675
01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:16.279
bunch you guys have there.
2676
01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:18.600
In the part in the party i agree but if
2677
01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:21.359
you look at the broader the broader philosophical movement on
2678
01:58:21.510 --> 01:58:24.329
x or whatever there's like you know and it's probably
2679
01:58:24.350 --> 01:58:26.329
spearheaded at this point by like the dave smiths of
2680
01:58:26.350 --> 01:58:28.869
the world who like have more mass like widespread appeal
2681
01:58:28.909 --> 01:58:32.590
but Yeah, I mean that's kind of where I think–
2682
01:58:32.909 --> 01:58:35.270
that's where the movement grows, not in the party itself
2683
01:58:35.329 --> 01:58:37.640
but more on the internet that way.
2684
01:58:37.949 --> 01:58:40.720
It's just hilarious. Yeah, no libertarian actually says they're in
2685
01:58:40.779 --> 01:58:43.300
the party. They are– you guys are a movement, not
2686
01:58:43.340 --> 01:58:45.380
a party, which is a problem when you guys try
2687
01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:47.340
to get on ballots and complain you're not because it's
2688
01:58:47.380 --> 01:58:49.359
like you're not a party. No one I know is
2689
01:58:49.380 --> 01:58:50.319
in the libertarian party.
2690
01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:54.619
Look. I actually think I am a registered libertarian at
2691
01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:57.600
this point. I might have been a registered Republican so
2692
01:58:57.659 --> 01:58:59.619
I could vote in the primary last time, but I
2693
01:58:59.659 --> 01:59:02.409
am a member of the Libertarian Party. But those letters
2694
01:59:02.449 --> 01:59:03.930
come to my house and I throw them in the trash,
2695
01:59:03.949 --> 01:59:04.489
put it that way.
2696
01:59:04.930 --> 01:59:05.649
Here's the thing, though.
2697
01:59:05.909 --> 01:59:06.689
I pay my 60 bucks a year.
2698
01:59:07.489 --> 01:59:10.689
I'm a registered Republican in my town committee, and God,
2699
01:59:10.729 --> 01:59:13.640
do I hate Republicans. It's like I'm also there.
2700
01:59:14.220 --> 01:59:16.539
In a different way, in a completely different way, right?
2701
01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:19.300
Oh, my God. They're useless. That's why. Because Republicans are
2702
01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:22.359
a useless bunch, and they're not conservative. And that's my
2703
01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:26.479
biggest issue. They're not conservative. And I've said to Dave,
2704
01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.619
I want to see if I can rally every resource
2705
01:59:29.680 --> 01:59:31.399
and person that we know on the right and just
2706
01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:34.829
make our own party. Like make an actual conservative party
2707
01:59:35.090 --> 01:59:38.710
gatekeep it. And it's like, okay, a reasonable libertarian that
2708
01:59:39.170 --> 01:59:41.710
is not fully retarded on foreign policy, you can come.
2709
01:59:42.369 --> 01:59:44.899
Because for general, I agree with libertarians on a lot,
2710
01:59:45.340 --> 01:59:48.560
except libertarians are the worst foreign policy people in the history, man.
2711
01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:50.520
Outside of that, I like you guys.
2712
01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.359
Hey, listen, it would be a fun argument. Maybe we'll
2713
01:59:54.380 --> 01:59:57.460
have this one day. I think a lot of libertarians
2714
01:59:57.479 --> 01:59:59.439
these days are much more pragmatic in the sense that
2715
01:59:59.460 --> 02:00:02.779
like anything that gets more towards what I believe in,
2716
02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.210
I'm for. It's not like all or nothing because it
2717
02:00:05.229 --> 02:00:06.930
doesn't– it just doesn't work that way.
2718
02:00:06.949 --> 02:00:10.350
That's not politics, right? That's not politics in general. I
2719
02:00:10.390 --> 02:00:11.869
do think, Pom, I think we have to have you
2720
02:00:11.909 --> 02:00:15.970
back on with rhetoric, Eric, because he's another libertarian. I
2721
02:00:16.250 --> 02:00:17.989
feel like that would be fun to have you guys
2722
02:00:18.170 --> 02:00:21.720
representing a little bit more of the reasonable libertarian small Ls.
2723
02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:23.659
And then me and Dave could kind of come at
2724
02:00:23.699 --> 02:00:25.819
it more from like the conservative side because Dave and
2725
02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:29.590
I are both– we have our libertarian streak because we
2726
02:00:29.649 --> 02:00:31.170
certainly agree on small government.
2727
02:00:31.210 --> 02:00:33.590
Dude, we probably agree on 75% of stuff, but that's
2728
02:00:33.630 --> 02:00:35.810
not fun. It's the 25% that we'll go at it on,
2729
02:00:35.850 --> 02:00:37.210
which is where it's at.
2730
02:00:37.510 --> 02:00:39.340
Which is where me and Mike Tremont were, right? We
2731
02:00:39.399 --> 02:00:41.880
agreed on so much. And then when it came down
2732
02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:45.000
to like– federal overreach and things like that like we
2733
02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:47.300
just had a minor disagreement and it was a really
2734
02:00:47.340 --> 02:00:50.180
fun debate and mike's a great dude so um again
2735
02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:52.800
i'm supporting mike for at least the vp of the
2736
02:00:52.859 --> 02:00:56.619
libertarian party because he's running for it again um i
2737
02:00:56.859 --> 02:01:00.689
won't be supporting him for the major general election if
2738
02:01:00.729 --> 02:01:02.670
he gets it but i will say i do like
2739
02:01:02.710 --> 02:01:06.649
mike termont a ton so but outside of that Palm again.
2740
02:01:06.689 --> 02:01:08.829
Thanks for coming on. This was a ton of fun.
2741
02:01:08.869 --> 02:01:12.890
We could talk for six hours. But eventually we do
2742
02:01:12.989 --> 02:01:14.989
have to go because I make this joke and I'll
2743
02:01:15.010 --> 02:01:17.050
say it again. We sure as fuck are not Joe Rogan.
2744
02:01:17.510 --> 02:01:18.850
And no one's going to want to listen to us
2745
02:01:18.890 --> 02:01:22.029
talk for like three to six hours. So everyone that's
2746
02:01:22.130 --> 02:01:25.380
out there that watched, listened, if you're listening to this,
2747
02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:27.800
it's probably back to back from last week's episode because
2748
02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:30.779
I'm a lazy fuck and have not gotten that out
2749
02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:32.979
to Spotify yet. So I'm going to work on getting
2750
02:01:33.060 --> 02:01:36.159
both of these out. But Thank you guys for watching,
2751
02:01:36.199 --> 02:01:37.819
for listening. Smash that like button.
2752
02:01:37.899 --> 02:01:38.340
Follow.
2753
02:01:39.300 --> 02:01:41.100
Dave, are we stuck in a loop where we don't
2754
02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:42.560
have a guest next week? We suck.
2755
02:01:42.600 --> 02:01:45.600
We got to figure something out. I might not even
2756
02:01:45.640 --> 02:01:46.000
be here.
2757
02:01:47.300 --> 02:01:47.899
Fuck you, Dave.
2758
02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:49.020
Hey, I'm moving.
2759
02:01:50.140 --> 02:01:52.810
I don't care. You got to find the spot.
2760
02:01:53.470 --> 02:01:53.890
Maybe I will.
2761
02:01:54.369 --> 02:01:57.489
And figure it out. But anyway, everyone, thank you so much.
2762
02:01:57.789 --> 02:02:00.649
We'll be back next week or I'll be back doing something.
2763
02:02:01.149 --> 02:02:02.409
I will talk to everyone later.
2764
02:02:02.430 --> 02:02:03.310
Bye, y'all.
2765
02:02:03.909 --> 02:02:04.260
See you.