Drew Spark

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I am really welcome to Control today. We're joined by
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Druce Bart from G two Esports.
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How are you doing to I'm doing good, good to
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be here. How you doing? I'm very well?
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Thank you. Do you do any podcasts?
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I used to I used to do a lot back
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in the Sentinels days, but these days nah, not really?
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And what did you so talk about that?
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As I suppose we'll jump back, Okay, let's talk to
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the Sentinels then, Like, what was that like being a
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coach to the Sentinels?
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It was pretty surreal, I will I I kind of
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got thrown into it last minute. There was like a
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big shake up going into the partnership here and U yeah,
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I mean the twenty twenty three year in particular was
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pretty pretty wild, and then obviously turning that around going
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into twenty twenty four and having more successful year.
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It was good.
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So I've got to experience the lows and highs. And
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I mean they're a great organization over there as well.
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They've got some great people, So you know, even doing
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stuff like this, like podcast stuff or content, it really
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kind of brought me up the shell a little bit more,
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allowed me to kind of the profile.
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Yeah, kind of do you know what I think?
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My wife and I both love Valorant as you know,
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because you know she came said alone one of the
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calls we had, right, she was a total fan girl.
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But she when we first of one watched the cent
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I was and watching the Masters and they've seen you
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with the Colt and I was like, I guy had
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a cult on And I was like yeah, I was
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like we Scott, I was trust me.
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And then I looked back into you, so yeah, how
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did you find that?
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Then?
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Like getting moved out? Did how did you get to
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the other?
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Like how did they get to Valerie?
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Yeah? How did you get to that?
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I mean, I mean the tagline I always used is
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just had a passion for gaming. I've always had a
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passion for coaching. I mean coaching since I was about thirteen.
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What did you coach? Then?
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I was just sports.
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I was just getting involved with you know, like local
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stummer camps and souff. I was a little bit older
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than everyone else, so I was kind of leading some
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of the sessions and then from there I actually got
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some some of my actual like what they called like
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coaching levels different sports. I was also an athlete at
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the time. Okay, so I kind of mixed, really, well,
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what did you do? What was your track? And field
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was my main thing, but I was the rugby you know,
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so I still been here at the you know, at Murrayfield.
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Yeah.
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So it did a bit of both, and then I
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went to college to do music out of nowhere. Yes,
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a bit of a long story, I won't get into that,
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but the point is that I ended up getting that
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towards music tuition as well. There's clearly something about tuition
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teaching that it What do.
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You think you like?
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I mean, we've done a lot of esports, and we've
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done a lot of schools, and I would say that
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working we've done with a lot of stuff done with
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the kids and seeing the enjoyment they get out of
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it and helping them and giving them we can attenpt
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it does. It's as good if you can help them
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and you can inspire, right, So that.
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Is what you like?
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Is I'm just addicted to like setting goals and like
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beating goals and like seeing the progression. I think it's
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really cool. And I think that when you are a coach,
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you you get like the full.
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View of that. Right.
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Then you either have a team or or an individual
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that you're taking through you know, like a program, and yeah,
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it's just really cool.
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You're just seeing the progress and having that kind of impact.
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And I guess for me, you know, I've never really
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been interested in playing esports.
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I was never any good, honestly, but I about you,
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Ray are I know I was not.
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I guess people say they're not good, they're pretty good.
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No, No, I go into esports really late, and honestly
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it was more to I got injured so I can
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do sports and it kind of filled that competitive work.
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But I realized very quickly that I would love to
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like compete, you know, but I'm knowing they're good enough.
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I don't have the muscle memory all the reaction time. However,
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I knew, you know, I could, I could probably coach
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in this right And at the time it wasn't really
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a big thing, you know, to do that. But I
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worked my way up and in terms of like how
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do you get there? Like for me, it was you know,
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obviously a lot of hard work, a lot of passion,
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but also a lot of luck, you know, like I need.
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A lotle bit that, but you need to be you've
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got the same people. A lot of people speak to
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and they do say about a lot, but I know
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there's a whole say, you've got to bend it to
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went out. You've got you've got to be there, You've
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got to pat yourself out there to get the lock.
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I believe in that.
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You've got I believe in.
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You don't know, an opportunity are going to come along,
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but if you're ready to grab them as they like,
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then you're going to increase your chances. And I think
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that that's the main thing holding people back, which it's
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not ready.
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You know, they're not prepared.
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So that's the thing I always reached, you know, just
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be as prepared as possible. And when those opportunities come,
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you know, it's like a like a little sushi their belt.
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You just take it and see if it works.
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And the thing is as well, I suppose when you're
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dealing with players, players will move on and then maybe
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talk to people and then read a coach and I'll
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work to that guy. And that's a lot of the
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word of mouth as well.
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Right, Yeah, having a good reputation, making good impressions obviously
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that helps too. Went through, Winning does help, yes, you know,
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having like a shiny you know, winning records does help.
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But like when I switch from Ramber six to Valerie,
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I had an awful records. In fact, it was to
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the point where even though them and Brenner to go
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from one game to the other, at the same time,
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there was a little bit of me that was like,
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I kind of want to stay here.
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To like improve I can win. Yeah.
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Yeah, So I do think that all these soft skills
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about being, you know, a good communicator, a friendly face,
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good with talking with you know, the organization side of things,
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all that stuff definitely helps.
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I mean, you see, I mean I'm a I'm a
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sports fan myself and I think the world of sport.
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Then the players could be absolutely horrific, but it's the
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manager that gets it.
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Do you find that as unfairly as well? Because you
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see that.
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I mean, I'm not going to mention some football teams
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in Scotland. By the moment, there's one that's really getting
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a hard time right And I suppose it could be
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a case of could be the coaching, it could be
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the players, but then it's ultimately the manager. But when
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they win, it's the players that win, right right. When
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they lose, it seems to be the manager's fault that
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they can blame. Did you see that a lot?
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Yeah, I think it's really hard to see.
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It's more in traditional sports than it is e sports.
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I would say it's more a thing in sports, in
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the sports, I think in I think in the sports,
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coaching staff rosters are still developing. I think, and I
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think a lot of organizations don't fully understand the value
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of a good coaching staff being able to build a system,
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and that takes time.
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The sports moves much.
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Faster pace than sports, right, So I feel like it's
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equally volatile for everyone, the people who find themselves in
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the best positions, you know, even just as players, those
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with the brand right, And I feel like for coaches
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it's a very easy scapegoat, you know, as is with sports.
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But like you say, like when you win, like it's
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all in.
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The players, and it's really hard to see a coach's impact.
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That's the problem.
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I'm honestly either right, right, how much a you in
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the years?
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How much see for example in following for example, when
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you've watched the stains and the cut to you in
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the room, right, you see in the room, and how
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much you do you get to talk to them during
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the match? Or is it just at half is it
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just at like the end of our round.
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Or yeah, so envalient and in most like compared to
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shooters like see yes, for example, you have timeouts which
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I can activate anytime, and that gives me a minute of.
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And they pause the whole game.
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They pose the game for an entire minute. So literally
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press the pause, beun.
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On it, and it must be a play that could
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be quite.
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Oh no, no, no, it's like in between rounds.
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Let's say, like yeah, fifth round eighteen and I want
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to take a pause, I'll hit the button and then
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went round. Just before round nineteen starts, the game gets
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paused for a minute. My microphone gets unmuted. I could talk,
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but the microphone is just unmuted for a whole minute.
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I say what I want to say, my mug gets
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muted again, and then I speaks to them before the
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game at halftime as well. You know, says there's quite
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a lot of input I can have, but I have
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to be very smart with when I talk. And let's
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say you're in my opponent and you take a time out,
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that's also time for me to talk as well. So
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all I know, I could have up to five minutes. Sorry,
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four minutes of I guess like tactical input how.
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Much so in a sense as well, right, how much
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decision making do you have in the roster because ultimately,
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when you think of a manager, right, they maybe get
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to bring in the players that the leg I'm talking
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about football is typically right, and then that's their players,
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and they know how they want to build their team,
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so they select them. As in a sense, it's completely
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different in violerance. You having to work with what you've like,
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what players you've got, and make a play around them.
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It kind of depends.
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Again, different organizations are different and ultimately it's their money, right, yeah, Like,
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so they could do what they want with their rosters.
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I think the most common thing is rosters will be
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put together.
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And handed the coach, and that's tricky. It is tricky.
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I mean, speaking honestly, I don't think there is I
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think there are plenty of coaches, but there are very
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few coaches that can actually walk in and have the
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full respect of the room, understand what they're doing when
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it comes to building a system, building a team. But
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those coaches generally do get the reins and there's obviously
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like a little bit of pushing pull but if you
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have a coach that comes in and has a good vision,
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obviously obviously has a good pedigree, then they perhaps have
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more room to be as much of a GM I
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guess as they are a coach. But I would say
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for the most part, the way it works is organizations have.
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Their staff that have the managers.
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They probably also have their vision with what they want
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to build, and it's more about finding a coach that
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aligns with their vision as opposed to the other way round.
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And so then how do you feel then how many
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players think that? So here's one for you?
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Right?
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I always think, for example, say I'm a valerant. I'm
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really good at valorant. I spend my whole life playing
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with my friends, my community, and I'm probably the best
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of all the people will play with, right, and I'm
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the top dog one more friends. Then I join a
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team and I'm around these other guys who think their
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top dogs.
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How do you find lego within teams? Like?
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And then for example, I say, well, do you know
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what maybe you used to be like, you know, used
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to be an what do you call environm And they
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go in front, My boy's going to kill me?
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You know what? A smoke or you're not a defender.
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Your are like an entry.
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If you say you want to be doing that, Yeah,
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you wanted to do the What if I say to
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you know, you're actually better to be playing back.
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But how do people's egos feel for that?
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Again, Like I feel like as always as a coach,
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you have to earn the respect to your players. I
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think my stage in the career is a little bit
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easier now just to experience and you know, I've obviously
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got some results behind me now, But before when I
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was coming in, it was very hard to kind of
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like look at someone and be like, hey, like this
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is what you're used to doing, and it's it's it's
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more about like if you're a good coach, you're able
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to kind of like see the progression of a.
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Player and where their best suited. The reality is, I
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say it's all the time.
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That sounds really uh, you know, degrading, but it's the honesty.
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It's like most e sports players get there by just
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playing video games all day, being very good at wiggling
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the mouse better than most people. They don't really have,
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you know, the best awareness of like you know, how
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they should be playing or like thinking about their role
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in like a holistic way or even like.
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There's somo cure a lot, do you think.
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Yeah, even just like sitting, like communication skills they'll sometimes
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they lack. So what's important for a coach is being
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able to you know, adapt to different personalities and to
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be able to connect with people. And ultimately, if you're
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a coach and you're not able to connect with your players,
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like you're failing, right, So that's where like being a
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good fit for your team, But also as a coach,
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being adaptable is important because you never know what personality
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is you're going to get and at the end of
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the day, your job is to get results and to
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get the best at of those players and there's like
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an inherent amount of trust that is required, you know
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to do that.
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And what do you do then regard and even tactics then,
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so how much do you look into other teams plays
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for maps and how do you find that information out
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because you'll only ever get to see it when they're
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actually playing live, right, Yeah, so you wouldn't get to
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see what they're doing behind closed doors.
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When do you hear rumors about how teams are training? Like,
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I mean, is it that can I suck.
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It like I mean, I whole map. I mean obviously,
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like there are leaks that exist. Sometimes it's very frowned
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upon to like leak and like you know, go.
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A truly could be a false sleek, right, could be.
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A false sleek too.
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In fact, I've been in situations before where I know
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a team is going to leak, so I fed them
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false information by playing a.
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Different combination and it actually works. Yeah, Like you.
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Have to play the game right, yeah, So in terms
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of like actually doing it properly though, I mean, it
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just kind of comes from you know, you enter a tournament,
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you watch other teams play, you kind of get like
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a feel for like the style that they play, and
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it's just like for me, it's like a missure just
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using my experience with the game, my experience with teams
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as well, you know, like use football a lot, right,
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Like you can you know how like the brand of
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football that say like a Chelsea will play compared to
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a Norwich, Right.
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That's end of the manager as well, you would say
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they implement that style wonder yeah yeah.
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Yeah, And sometimes you see that too, like where like
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maybe like a coach as a team and you see
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like that team maybe developed in a certain way, But
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to me, I feel like esports has more room for
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individual what's the word like individual skill expression, I would say,
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And I feel like that is what builds your team identity.
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But yeah, like as a coach, for me, like it's
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more kind of figuring, Okay, what's the identity of this team?
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How do they like to play?
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Maybe some focuses and certain individuals like the entries for example,
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the people opening up the rounds, like how do they
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do that? And then for me it's more just about Okay,
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how can I how can I craft from my game
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plan to suit what I'm not going to be against?
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Because ultimately, you don't want to completely change your style
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to counter another team.
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You want to make your style work in that way.
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So how detailed does it?
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So you've got five y five in valor in just
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in case anybody doesn't know right tactical shoot or five
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E five right, plan the bomb or kill everybody to
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win the round? Yeah, off you go, don't peak, boy
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peaks down. So you're twenty four? How much does one kel?
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Sometimes just oh god, you know, it's like like how
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much does it throw out the window? Like have you
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got plans? Or if people twenty four, if you've got
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plans or if he go was firced, Like how detailed
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can it get?
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Yeah? Like it I mean does that make sense?
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Yeah, Like I'm we'll have a playbook, right, And the
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point of having the playbook is when we practice and
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you know, we'll practice like.
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Against who those which five? So if you've got your
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team planers five, do you just go into like.
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Ranked No, no, No, We're going to custom games and
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we can play against you know, I mean there's plenty
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of teams looking for practice, right, So it's it's organized
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on like an hourly basis. You'll start a practice session,
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it never lasts went in an hour, right, so it's
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really good for time walking and yeah, like so like
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let's say, like you know this German Challenge League team
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is looking for practice, will book them in advance, will
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agree on the map, and then obviously there'll be things
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that they're practicing, things that we're practice. But in terms
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of like what you're saying about, like these different protocols
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that you have, it just comes down to building a playbook,
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running the plays multiple times and just kind of seeing
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what happens. You know, it's sometimes it's going to be successful.
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Sometimes it's not, and it's important to be like, well, okay,
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like if this part goes wrong, what's a pivot? And
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that's how you build like really good mid rounding we
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call it. But also just like awareness of like when
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to do those plays, Like maybe like there's like certain
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moments in the game where you can do a fast
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play because you've conditioned something freer in the rounds, Maybe
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you need to slow down a little bit because of
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how they're playing, or maybe it's like a play style
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thing like I was saying before.
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Maybe it's a really aggressive team. So maybe like those
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kinds of places won't work tall right, or they're very
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high risk.
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So there's like a lot of min maxing going on,
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and ultimately it just takes a lot of practice, Like
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we'll practice ten times more. Well, we'll spend ten times
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more time in the practice room. Then we will actually
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play matter again.
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And so here's for you, right, So when a new
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agent drops, WhatsUp? How do you go through that?
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It's it's funny because you were saying about like new
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FIFA game coming out and how like you know these
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pros again enhancing it today and they're trying to break
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the game. It's kind of like that with a new agent,
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you're immediately in the lab you're trying to figure out, Okay,
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what does this agent bring to the game individually, what
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does this agent bring to the game into the composition,
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what kind of overlap is there between this asient and
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existing agents in the game or existing strategies, and then
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for instance, figuring out is it worth it?
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Like is this is this do any good?
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Would you say sometimes that the developers potentially make them
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a better ope because they maybe want people going to
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buy them, grind for them. And then when eventually they're like,
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oh they're broke, and then they scale them back and
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you could be training with that agent B and O P.
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And then suddenly before a game like how okay do
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the developers say to you, Okay, we won't change us
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agent for a while. Do you get this out of
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the way, I mean, how how what they think about
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the scene?
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Well, first of all, I mean with Valorium, we don't
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have like the issue of like another power character being
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able to be bought in the game.
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It's all free, right, ye.
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But I do believe that it's easier to scale back
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a character or something that's strong in the game as
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opposed to making like forcing them in, and I almost
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feel like it's more forced and uncomfortable to do that.
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So yeah, like I do think at least in my game,
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typically agents are released on the strong side and if
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they're not there given updates very quickly. In terms of
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the communication between us and the developer, you know, honestly speaking,
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it's not always the clearest, you know, like like and I.
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Think that here that through a lot of sports titles.
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I mean, I've asked a lot of FIFA pros, how
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much do you actually is going to speak with thee
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something saying nothing but just quite you think to yourself,
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surely that's they should have, like you know, even like
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focus groups, but then also say that they wouldn't be
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able to give out an unfair advantage. Of course they
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would be maybe getting They'll look into the game.
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That's it. That's what I was going to say, right. Like.
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The other thing as well, is like esports are such
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a small percentage of the play base. Yeah, and ultimately
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like it's you know, it's leveraged as a marketing tool, right,
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so you know, even though there are communication pathways and
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you know, these focus groups that do exist in terms
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of like a direct line of communication and having like
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clear timelines and when things are going to be changing stuff.
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It's just not feasible.
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It's not feasible competitively, and also it's just not really
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feasible on the developer side.
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And so then what would you say then even regard
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than maps, and because I suppose I mean some maps
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become quite big and some become favorites. I mean, do
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you think they maybe even the maps would be a
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good one? Mean, how do they take their data to
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create a map, because sure they can't just be down
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to designers. Must be a lot of thought going into
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a perfect map, right, Yeah, that's really important though.
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Yeah, I mean, like they've got their team in the background,
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and I mean for us, like on Apple's constantly changing
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as well, like chopping and changing. So as an esports further,
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there's a lot to navigate. You're kind of playing reactionary
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a lot. Yeah, and as such, like when you're thinking about,
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you know, your upcoming year as a as a coach
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or a manager, even as an organization, you have to
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build in these things into your system to be able
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to anticipate change, whether that's maybe developing a player onto
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different agents in case maybe if they only play one agent,
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Well what happens if that one agent just suddenly it
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gets effectively deleted from the game.
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You know, then what so if you look.
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For a few to a second pick, if they said
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to you, Hedre new Esports Org got billions of pounds,
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we're going to we're going to create this team, would
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you be looking for players that could maybe be flexible
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or would you want somebody that's deadly without one smoke?
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Like, so it must be proosed, you.
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Know, yeah, I think it would depends.
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Like if I if there's someone who's really strong in
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an agent and I see a way to develop them
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within their role onto something different, even if it isn't
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necessarily within like the same like agent role, I would
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you know, I would take that chance for me. Like
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building a team is it's just down to like so
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many different factors you have to think about, you know,
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how they're going to communicate, how they're going to get on,
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Like are they going to gel as a team? Are
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the actually going to be a team or is it
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just a collection of players? You know, So then maybe
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there's a lot of min maxing in that way where
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you know, I could get the fags best players in
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the world with all the money in the world.
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But doesn't always work. You see that in sport as well, Right.
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How many times have you seen a super team? Yeah,
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like not where it's it's very it's it's on a
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knife stage.
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I've been like, I don't want to throw.
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Like remember when Ten's played for the Sentinels, tends seemed
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to be like that point. He seemed to be like
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the boy that had I don't know if it's true
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or not, but sometimes he just had that magic about him.
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I wouldn't say when I watched him he could do
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it all the time, but I think sometimes he seemed
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to be the guy that could pull that wey at magic.
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Would you think that was quite fair?
490
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I would say the current Sentinels are definitely missing his
491
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X factors.
492
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Yeah, that's what I felt like. He feels like.
493
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I mean, I think sometimes once again you could tell
494
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them maybe it would die and these geniuses sometimes if
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I can call him that, I think that you see
496
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in sport as well, have got there be some flaws,
497
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but I think you would you could see some things,
498
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you could pull something out of his magic.
499
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Yeah, he would, he would think at a million miles
500
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an hour. Yeah, I remember watching him do this clutch
501
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against G two in scrims.
502
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It was a one before I'm not.
503
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Going to get into the details of what happens, but
504
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the amount of small decisions he had to make in
505
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in that moment, all reactionary just coming at him and
506
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him converting that into a play with a character like
507
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Omen who has so much playmaking ability, I was just like, yeah,
508
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I couldn't believe it, Like it was the amount of
509
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brain process going on there, like that, you can't teach.
510
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That, Like that's just just why. Definitely, Yeah, that was like, Yeah,
511
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I'm definitely not a pro.
512
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Like and so so do you think that they're certainly
513
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a mass but do you think that sometimes can help
514
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her handle our team? Because you see football, you talk
515
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about your messes and Ronaldos and they bring them in
516
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and teams are sometimes built around that. Would you say
517
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sometimes and you've got somebody that special even in the sports,
518
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to be bolder team around that guy, you need to
519
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.839
give if a player has because remember these guys as well,
520
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we spoke about game from their communities, they were the
521
00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.480
top dog, so they have to then somehow bow to
522
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be in.
523
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I say, there's a lot of different situations, right. I
524
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think in like when you you take someone like tenth, right,
525
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he's got a lot of X factor. The give and
526
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take with him is you've got to you've got to
527
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give those players the space to be an X factor, right,
528
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which means that you can't really like restrain them too much.
529
00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:29.319
Obviously you can teach in good principles as a coach,
530
00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:31.640
but at the same time, you kind of need to
531
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.039
like trust every intuition in the game.
532
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.480
That's that's why I like, I worked with Zecond for
533
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three years. Yeah, like shave hair, they don't.
534
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.839
Zak was my teammate for like since I got into
535
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Violent for three years. And like you want to talk
536
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about someone who just has like really good natural game
537
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:53.440
instincts and into it game, into.
538
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.759
It, got the glasses in the black, yeah yeah, yeah.
539
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.440
Yeah, the key he's got like that killer instinct and
540
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he's like he's a great he's so coachable as well,
541
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but at the.
542
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Same time it was quite humble.
543
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He's very humble, but like he's he's also something that
544
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.000
you want to empower to have the freedom to make
545
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.759
good choices in game. And you know, when you talk
546
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about like coach impacts, like that's that's whey. Like again,
547
00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.680
everything is in the nice age. You have to balance
548
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.720
having your system and your way of playing and like
549
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.200
the correct weight way with allowing players to have their
550
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skill expression. And if you can nail that, that's where
551
00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:30.720
I feel like you have a good winning team on
552
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top of obviously having a group of players that shell
553
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:35.640
together and come work together and make it happen.
554
00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.559
And so how different would your job be, for example,
555
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.039
that you've went from that in your next team? And morefully,
556
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:44.799
can I said to you Drew, like, here's an amateur team.
557
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:46.759
I'm a billionaire, right, I've got the money in the
558
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.079
world abowing you to coach my team there maybe at
559
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.680
a lot lower level. What would be the what would
560
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be the biggest struggle? Do you think is mindset or
561
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what do you think is the biggest thing you have
562
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.039
to coach apart from the skill side of it.
563
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.799
Yeah, there's definitely more mental aspects of coaching going on
564
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there because you're not working with like I used to
565
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.839
work with extremely experienced players and pretty much everything I
566
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.640
was working with them on was like micro things within
567
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.599
the game, maybe some communication stuff, But when you work
568
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.720
with lesser experience players. A lot of it becomes more
569
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.359
about the mental stuff, like how do you prepare not
570
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.359
just in game, but like alter game as well. You know,
571
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.599
like there's a lot you could teach someone there, especially
572
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:29.039
a young player, how to communicate effectively, how to regulate emotions,
573
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how do you do that? It again, it just kind
574
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of comes by to having a good connection with them,
575
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.319
Like you have to be able to you have to
576
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:38.039
be aware.
577
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That the head goals.
578
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.000
You see it in sport when they start getting like
579
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:42.640
negged out. You don't know if that's what you'd call
580
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.759
a term, but when they started think negatively, but you
581
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:47.720
see it in sport. A lot of good coaches, you said,
582
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it's all about that positiveness, and you get a team
583
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:51.400
that they could play with their skin just.
584
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Because they've got the right mindset.
585
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Yeah.
586
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Thanks fair for me.
587
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I've always I've always liked to try and use negative
588
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or at least explosive emotion no moments.
589
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.599
So it's like a superpower. It's like to get like
590
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:05.960
if you're like if you're if.
591
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.559
You're like one of my players, and you're like, really
592
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.440
annoys one of your teammates because they person made to play.
593
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:15.960
They keep making this place annoying, you know that concept
594
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:17.960
like what you what are you gonna do about this?
595
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.880
How are you gonna channel this some things? Maybe even
596
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.039
turn it into like a leadership moment, you know, like
597
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.160
especially if it's like a like a slightly more experienced player, right,
598
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.599
but like even like the younger players, like you know,
599
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.640
like I'm working with like a young eighteen year old
600
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.240
player at the minute who plays the game so much,
601
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.720
you know, and I'm trying to get I'm trying to
602
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.599
impart some leadership onto her to be like o heay,
603
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.920
like if you see, if you feel like you can
604
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.720
get more from your team in terms of like interacting
605
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.359
with the game a bit more or like you know,
606
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.319
getting on to play a bit more, like tell them,
607
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.160
like you know, you go be that leader in the room,
608
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:58.680
you know. And so I think, again, you've got to
609
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.119
try and put upon to spend on it. And that's
610
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.519
where I think, you know, I'm by no means an
611
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.279
extra ones, but I do pay attention to the different
612
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.480
ways that you know, individuals react to communication, and I
613
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.240
try and find tune it in a way where I
614
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.799
can always make her a conversation at least constructive.
615
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.240
Yeah, even if we don't find a resolution, and even if.
616
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.160
The way they say things, because you know what it's
617
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.240
like is if the way you say something, sometimes you
618
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.359
probably get somebody's backups, so as you've got to make
619
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.480
sure that the proper the delivery of how they say
620
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:26.839
it right.
621
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.400
Yeah, and also just kind of like offering some extra
622
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.960
perspective as well. It's like, Okay, you may be annoyed
623
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.119
at what happened in this moment, but like this rewind
624
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.720
it a little.
625
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.279
Bit, like let's see how we got there. Yeah that
626
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:37.880
see say, it's like a learning moment here.
627
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:42.319
Yeah, because like getting tilted for the sake of being
628
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.039
tilted is just not constructive.
629
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:46.079
And I trying to say to my way for all
630
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.039
the time she gets so like talted with that she
631
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.400
starts to play really bad. Yeah, because she did, and
632
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.319
then everything's a problem and then she's doing the wrong
633
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.039
things and then they conspiral with that.
634
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.519
You can say, we watch even pros play right, like
635
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.599
you can tell when they're playing through emotion. Yeah, because
636
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.240
sometimes it can go the other way too, Like when
637
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.799
you're having a really good game, some things you can
638
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.119
overheat and go too far the other way. So again
639
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:12.200
it's just all about regulating that emotions. And you know,
640
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.200
there are certain people in certain roles who are really
641
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.440
good with this stuff, like performance coaches, they're very good at,
642
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:22.079
you know, finding ways to give people mental routines, ways
643
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.759
to reset better. But I mean for me, it's just
644
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.640
more I've just seen so much that it's very easy
645
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.039
for me to almost kind of like bring up like
646
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:32.880
a previous experience and be like, Okay, this is what
647
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:33.799
works for this player.
648
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.279
I'll tell you what, before we're oblating, if there's any
649
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.599
aspiring players that are certainly playing and then maybe they're
650
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.599
doing this all, look, que, what would be the probably
651
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.960
three things that you would say to them to focus on.
652
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.480
Yeah, yeah, that's tough.
653
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.759
I mean, at least m Valerian if your top of
654
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.440
the leader boards is kind of hard for the pros
655
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.039
not to see you because you all playing the same leaderboard, right,
656
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.720
So if you end up reaching that level where you're
657
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.240
constantly playing with and against ro you have that whole
658
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.160
word of melting you're talking about, where they just get
659
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.000
familiar with you. I think always having as good naturally
660
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.839
as possible in this moment's as good.
661
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.440
Because again, you're making an impression, right.
662
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:11.480
And I don't know if you could work with your
663
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:13.119
play Yeah, yeah, exactly.
664
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.160
Like there's this one kid in North America at the
665
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.960
minute who's really really good, but my first impression of
666
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.359
him was from one of my former players, was like, oh,
667
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:21.400
this guy's a stream sniper.
668
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.880
This gut the filter, so that that's obviously affected this progression.
669
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.599
Right, So yeah, you have to think about having a
670
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.839
good winning attitude, being a good teammate, and beyond that
671
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.640
this is like a little bit more niche. But make
672
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.039
some content, you know, like post some clips of you
673
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.359
doing well, and then you know, like people will see
674
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.440
your name, hopefully there's some consistency between your in game
675
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.680
name and whatever you know, social media use like the
676
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.119
sas Instagram or whatever. Start posting clips like show how
677
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.839
good you are and pick up this moment, put some
678
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.880
music on top of it. It's not that hard, and
679
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.000
all these small things help, you know, snowball it into
680
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.880
something bigger. And then at that point, it's just you're
681
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.200
in at the right time, at the right place. But
682
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.559
as long as you did everything that you could do
683
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.440
to get there, then you're gonna.
684
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.559
You'll be watching and you'll find them.
685
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.279
We're always watching, always watching listen.
686
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:12.720
Thank you, buddy, absolute pleasure.
687
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:13.759
Yeah, thank you very much.