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In this exclusive series, entrepreneur and creative leader Andy Nulman takes us through
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his views on creativity, curiosity and guts.
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Welcome back to CCNG, the podcast that's so smart, you'll wonder why you didn't think
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of it first.
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Earlier in this series, I casually mentioned that the origin for creativity, curiosity
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and guts came from teaching a group of cautious, overly analytical and Marx-motivated McGill
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University MBA students during the COVID-ravaged year of 2020.
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To be more specific, though, that was the DNA behind the decision, the raw material for
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me teaching it when they say.
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The actual spark for bringing the CCNG course to reality was ignited on the afternoon of
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Sunday, February 7th, 2021, during a snowshoeing excursion near Mansonville, Quebec.
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On that fateful day, I agreed to join my snowshoe-keen ex-wife for a walk in the snowy woods.
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While far from my favorite winter activity, I would snowshoe with her provided I could
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listen to my music while doing so.
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She thought this oral accompaniment to be unnecessary and counterproductive.
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The sound of nature should be what you listen to, she said at the time, but since it was
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the only way I would be able to endure two hours or so of one's walking, she acquiesced.
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Maybe that's why she's now my ex.
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But anyway, so here we were on a crisp Sunday about to embark on a hike.
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I plugged in my earphones, I used the wired version instead of my wireless Apple AirPods,
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unless I trip and lose one or both of the AirPods in deep snow, and I prepared to lose
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myself in the newly remixed version of the classic George Harrison album All Things Must
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Pass.
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And that's when disaster struck.
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Oh no, only the right side earphone was working.
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I tried restarting my Apple Music, rebooting my iPhone, clicking on other albums and streaming
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stations, licking the plug contact, anything to bring stereo music back to the dormant
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left earphone.
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Alas, try as I might, the only sound was in the right ear, and even that only a little
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trickle.
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This was far from the ideal way to listen to such a richly produced album like George
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Harrison's masterpiece, which left me even more frustrated.
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But there was no way my ex was going to let me call off the walk, which I admit I had
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seriously suggested.
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So I asked myself, what can I listen to that requires less than high fidelity sound?
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The answer was a series of audiobooks I had downloaded thanks to my subscription to the
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Yes Yes You Know It The Wall Street Journal.
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I had about six audiobooks listed as unlistened at the time, including Anthony Borden's
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posthumous World Travel and Alex Hutchinson's Treatise on Human Capacity called Endure.
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But for some reason, still unknown to me.
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I chose Dr. Craig Wright's The Hidden Habits of Genius, which should be familiar to those
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of you who listen to CCNG episode number four.
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For minute one, I loved his book.
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Dr. Wright teaches what is known as the Genius Course at Yale University, and in both the
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class and in his book, he's a strong proponent for teaching creativity.
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You know what I thought to myself as I trudged through the calf-deep white?
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My students last year could have used a course on creativity, but not just creativity, all
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the other non-academic components that are so important in the corporate world today.
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Now that was the spark that lit up a cold, snow-filled forest and jump-started CCNG.
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And then, flame.
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On Thursday, February 11, 2021, after a few days spent refining the concept of CCNG, I
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pitched it via email to John Paul Ferguson, the academic director of McGill University's
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MBA program.
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On Monday, February 22, 2021, at 5pm, we got on a call together.
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If this came from anyone else, I'd dismiss it as rabblings from some lunatic, he said
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frankly, perhaps a little too frankly, but I digress.
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But given your history he went on, and your history with us, I'll take it seriously and
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consider it.
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Exactly one month after that conversation, I got the go-ahead.
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And that's the full, true story of how the course, and ultimately this podcast, came
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to be.
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You can thank or you can blame a broken earphone.
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Yet, think about it for a second.
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So much could have changed the outcome.
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I could have had another set of earphones.
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I could have played my music out loud, another one of the suggestions by X-Wipe or Pito.
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I could have chosen the podcast instead of an audiobook.
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I could have chosen another book instead of Dr. Wright's.
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I could have let Dr. Wright's inspiration be a fleeting fancy and forgotten all about
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it.
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I could have even been a person who likes the sound of nature and render all the previous
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points moot.
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Call it fate, call it luck, call it rather than just call it what you want.
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But the domino effect started by said broken earphone is the reason you are listening to
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this right now.
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By the way, that was the actual sound of falling dominoes.
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A little obscure, but hey, that's what they sound like.
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Anyway, the moral of this story, life works in strange ways.
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Nothing is inconsequential.
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Nothing.
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That said, every choice you took today changed your life in some way.
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The traffic light you breezed through instead of stopping at it.
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The bus you just missed.
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The extra five minutes you spent on Instagram.
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The decision to walk up four flights of stairs instead of taking the elevator.
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Yep, every little step you took today changed the outcome of something.
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The aggregate effect altering the ultimate path of your life.
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So what does this all mean?
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Especially what does it all mean in the business setting?
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It means that there are factors that will change the course of your professional career
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that you can't control, let alone understand.
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You can embrace rather than this and take advantage of the discoveries you make by being
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open to rather than this, my trusty rather than this.
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And if you're willing to do that, you're going to enjoy the rest of this episode and
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ultimately the rest of your life.
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But as can be expected, enjoying the rest of your life isn't something that comes easy.
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The byproduct of trusting in randomness is a small action item called giving up control.
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Or as Adina Menzel sang, let it go.
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Let it go, let it go, can't hold it back anymore.
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In his excellent book on randomness intoxicatingly titled The Drunkard's Walk, physicist Leonard
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Laudanow explains that, a sense of personal control is integral to our self-concept and
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sense of self-esteem.
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There is a fundamental clash between our need to feel we are in control and our ability
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to recognize randomness.
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People like to exercise control over their environment, which is why many of the same
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people who drive a car after consuming half a bottle of scotch will freak out if the airplane
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there on experiences minor turbulence.
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I guess the best way to put this relinquishing of control into context is that randomness
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is the difference between you taking risks and risks taking you.
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You know, about two minutes have passed since I've last used a pertinent personal story
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to make a point, so I think we're just about due.
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This is a quick yet macro control relinquishing story about how I got to be here today.
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No, no, it's not about my parents.
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For the sake of this story, here will be defined as having enough cred to write and record a
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marketing-oriented podcast in the first place.
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The story took place during my first year at Vanier College when I was kind of going
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to school part-time due to my full-time job as the entertainment editor of the Sunday
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Express newspaper.
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Given my professional responsibilities, I chose my classes to fit my work schedule and
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on this first day of course selection, I found myself shut out of the introductory psychology
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class that I was interested in.
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The course registrar, remember this was all done in person back then, the course registrar
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she told me that I could take the same psych class later in the day.
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Uh, no good, I said.
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I got to be at the office at that time.
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But then I asked, what else do you have in the 10 a.m. slot?
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She told me, well, there's introductory marketing.
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It didn't matter what word she said at the time, I would have signed up for introductory
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waste management at that point, as long as it fit the time slot.
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So chalk one up for fate and randomness because that class taught by Canadian business legend
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Don Tobin not only changed my perspective and my college major, but set me on a course
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that influenced every professional day of my life from that moment on, including this
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one.
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So here's the thing about random events such as the one at Vanity College, you can just
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let them happen and hopefully enjoy the ride.
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You can learn to recognize them and make them work for you.
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Or you can actively seek out randomness to understand, wrap your head around this random
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isn't always random.
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It can be self stimulated.
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I know that sounds dirty, but it's not.
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Let's move on.
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The secret is to generate random events.
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For example, I used to travel a lot for work and I like to read.
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The two went well together.
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Now I could have chosen to read in the comfort of my hotel room, but trust me, nobody's gonna
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come knocking on my door and say, excuse me, let's partake in a chance encounter.
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So I would lug my book down to the lobby or the hotel bar or a restaurant next door or
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any area buzzing with people.
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Now while this would not happen all the time, quite often the simple act of reading acted
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like a human magnet, sparking conversation and questions from people like, what are you
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reading?
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Or, I heard about that book.
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Is it any good?
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Or I have that book.
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It's one of my faves.
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Or why are you wearing so much jewelry?
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No matter what it ultimately led to, public reading led to way more than being sequestered
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alone.
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Another way to seek out randomness is to disobey the ominous four-word warning familiar to
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anybody who's ever had a mother, namely, don't talk to strangers.
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Now I get it, moms, especially those of my era, thought of strangers as the boogeyman.
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And yes, while I don't suggest you throw caution to the wind and talk to just anybody,
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but discerningly curated strangers are the source of adventure, of discovery and of opportunity.
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And yes, can't you just feel yet another pertinent personal story on the horizon?
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I won't disappoint you.
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This one took place on a chairlift in Vale where I sat exhausted after a fairly intense
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day of snowboarding.
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For those of you non-mountain types, chairlifts take a wide gathering of humanity, funnel
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it down to one line of four people which jumps on the chair as it makes its way up the hill.
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Unless you are a group of four, the lineup process will toss some random person next
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to you to diminish the line and make the most efficient use of the chair's space.
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That should explain it.
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While on these treks up, some which could take as much as 15 minutes on a mountain
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the vastness of Vale, there is very little to do to pass the time.
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You are basically faced with two options, ignore or engage.
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Given that the bearded guy next to me was holding a mascara, I decided to opt for the
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latter and jeez I'm glad I did.
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His story was that the mascara was not his but something he found in the lift line.
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He joked that maybe he would help him find the date that night.
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I asked him what he did and with less than a minute left before the lift discharged us
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at the top, he replied, I'm a snowboard instructor.
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Wow, what's their indipitous luck?
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Earlier in the day I contemplated upping my game by taking my first lesson in years.
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He graciously offered I'll take a run with you and give you some pointers.
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Despite my fatigue, how could I say no?
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Anyway, after two invigorating advice and challenge filled runs later, I exchanged contact
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info with Chris Sandos and Dowsky, former pro skateboarder, former railroad worker, world
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traveler, and the guy who teaches the teachers at Vale.
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And that's just the point with strangers, as long as they stay strangers, we'll never
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know this stuff.
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The catch is that most people, especially me believe it or not, most people are fundamentally
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shy.
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Trying to break the ice doesn't just require a sledgehammer but also the type of confidence
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that could shrug off a cold shoulder.
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That's what's so great about the chairlift, you have no choice.
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The choice is made for you, completely and random.
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It's like the old chat roulette without the nudity.
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In worst case scenario, if the conversation is trite and leads to nothing, once you disembark
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at mountaintop, you'll never see each other again.
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So over and above what Sandos taught me, what I learned is that we should borrow the chairlift
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process for other controlled random human pairings.
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This type of forced encountering works.
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I mean some of the best inner parties I've ever been to are the ones where they split
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up the couples and oblige you to sit next to someone you hardly know or never met before.
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You either converse or use your mouth just to eat and drink.
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So sorry mom, the problem with strangers is not that they are strangers, the problem is
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if they remain strangers.
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And if you think that is counterintuitive, try this on for size.
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The best fuel for randomness is the much misunderstood concept of ignorance.
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Because of grotesque moronic cartoon characters like Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin and Donald
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Trump, the concept of ignorance has been given a profoundly negative connotation and a bad
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rap.
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Put in the business sense, it's really more like, well as marketing guru Seth Godin puts
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it so succinctly, it's like bringing outside voices in.
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Unlike stupidity, ignorance can be cured and be helpful.
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During strategy meetings at both Just for Laughs and Airborne Mobile, companies that
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I ran, during these meetings I would always ensure that we had at least one ignoramus
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in the room.
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Not a buffoon mind you, but an ignoramus in the sense that they were outsiders, not specialized
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in our day to day affairs, yet interested enough to participate.
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Their general understanding or misunderstanding of the facts, the situations, the business,
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the history, the players, the what have you acted as a catalyst for discussion and discovery.
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At worst, the ignoramus made us explain things that have been over explained ages ago.
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advantage point.
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Their outsider status sometimes made the most hard and veteran see something new or reexamine
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a decision long ingrained as, this is how we always do it.
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Trust me when I say that at these strategy meetings, just about every exasperated sigh
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of, was met with an equal contemplation of, hmmmm.
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The first is creativity specialist Donald Wallace McKinnon, renowned psychologist and
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professor at the University of California, Berkeley.
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He said, the expert, all too often, knows that certain things are not so or just cannot
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be done.
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The naive novice ventures what the expert would never attempt and often enough succeeds.
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But the final word goes to comedian Lou Dinos who says, they say that ignorance is bliss.
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I don't know what that means, but damn, I'm happy.
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Welcome back to CCNG, the podcast that's so smart, you'll wonder why you didn't think
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of it first.
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Earlier in this series, I casually mentioned that the origin for creativity, curiosity
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and guts came from teaching a group of cautious, overly analytical and Marx-motivated McGill
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University MBA students during the COVID-ravaged year of 2020.
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To be more specific, though, that was the DNA behind the decision, the raw material for
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me teaching it when they say.
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The actual spark for bringing the CCNG course to reality was ignited on the afternoon of
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Sunday, February 7th, 2021, during a snowshoeing excursion near Mansonville, Quebec.
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On that fateful day, I agreed to join my snowshoe-keen ex-wife for a walk in the snowy woods.
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While far from my favorite winter activity, I would snowshoe with her provided I could
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listen to my music while doing so.
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She thought this oral accompaniment to be unnecessary and counterproductive.
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The sound of nature should be what you listen to, she said at the time, but since it was
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the only way I would be able to endure two hours or so of one's walking, she acquiesced.
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Maybe that's why she's now my ex.
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But anyway, so here we were on a crisp Sunday about to embark on a hike.
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I plugged in my earphones, I used the wired version instead of my wireless Apple AirPods,
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unless I trip and lose one or both of the AirPods in deep snow, and I prepared to lose
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myself in the newly remixed version of the classic George Harrison album All Things Must
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Pass.
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And that's when disaster struck.
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Oh no, only the right side earphone was working.
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I tried restarting my Apple Music, rebooting my iPhone, clicking on other albums and streaming
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stations, licking the plug contact, anything to bring stereo music back to the dormant
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left earphone.
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Alas, try as I might, the only sound was in the right ear, and even that only a little
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trickle.
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This was far from the ideal way to listen to such a richly produced album like George
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Harrison's masterpiece, which left me even more frustrated.
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But there was no way my ex was going to let me call off the walk, which I admit I had
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seriously suggested.
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So I asked myself, what can I listen to that requires less than high fidelity sound?
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The answer was a series of audiobooks I had downloaded thanks to my subscription to the
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Yes Yes You Know It The Wall Street Journal.
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I had about six audiobooks listed as unlistened at the time, including Anthony Borden's
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posthumous World Travel and Alex Hutchinson's Treatise on Human Capacity called Endure.
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But for some reason, still unknown to me.
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I chose Dr. Craig Wright's The Hidden Habits of Genius, which should be familiar to those
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of you who listen to CCNG episode number four.
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For minute one, I loved his book.
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Dr. Wright teaches what is known as the Genius Course at Yale University, and in both the
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class and in his book, he's a strong proponent for teaching creativity.
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You know what I thought to myself as I trudged through the calf-deep white?
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My students last year could have used a course on creativity, but not just creativity, all
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the other non-academic components that are so important in the corporate world today.
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Now that was the spark that lit up a cold, snow-filled forest and jump-started CCNG.
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And then, flame.
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On Thursday, February 11, 2021, after a few days spent refining the concept of CCNG, I
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pitched it via email to John Paul Ferguson, the academic director of McGill University's
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MBA program.
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On Monday, February 22, 2021, at 5pm, we got on a call together.
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If this came from anyone else, I'd dismiss it as rabblings from some lunatic, he said
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frankly, perhaps a little too frankly, but I digress.
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But given your history he went on, and your history with us, I'll take it seriously and
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consider it.
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Exactly one month after that conversation, I got the go-ahead.
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And that's the full, true story of how the course, and ultimately this podcast, came
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to be.
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You can thank or you can blame a broken earphone.
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Yet, think about it for a second.
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So much could have changed the outcome.
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I could have had another set of earphones.
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I could have played my music out loud, another one of the suggestions by X-Wipe or Pito.
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I could have chosen the podcast instead of an audiobook.
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I could have chosen another book instead of Dr. Wright's.
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I could have let Dr. Wright's inspiration be a fleeting fancy and forgotten all about
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it.
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I could have even been a person who likes the sound of nature and render all the previous
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points moot.
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Call it fate, call it luck, call it rather than just call it what you want.
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But the domino effect started by said broken earphone is the reason you are listening to
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this right now.
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By the way, that was the actual sound of falling dominoes.
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A little obscure, but hey, that's what they sound like.
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Anyway, the moral of this story, life works in strange ways.
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Nothing is inconsequential.
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Nothing.
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That said, every choice you took today changed your life in some way.
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The traffic light you breezed through instead of stopping at it.
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The bus you just missed.
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The extra five minutes you spent on Instagram.
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The decision to walk up four flights of stairs instead of taking the elevator.
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Yep, every little step you took today changed the outcome of something.
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The aggregate effect altering the ultimate path of your life.
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So what does this all mean?
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Especially what does it all mean in the business setting?
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It means that there are factors that will change the course of your professional career
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that you can't control, let alone understand.
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You can embrace rather than this and take advantage of the discoveries you make by being
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open to rather than this, my trusty rather than this.
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And if you're willing to do that, you're going to enjoy the rest of this episode and
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ultimately the rest of your life.
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But as can be expected, enjoying the rest of your life isn't something that comes easy.
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The byproduct of trusting in randomness is a small action item called giving up control.
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Or as Adina Menzel sang, let it go.
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Let it go, let it go, can't hold it back anymore.
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In his excellent book on randomness intoxicatingly titled The Drunkard's Walk, physicist Leonard
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Laudanow explains that, a sense of personal control is integral to our self-concept and
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sense of self-esteem.
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There is a fundamental clash between our need to feel we are in control and our ability
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to recognize randomness.
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People like to exercise control over their environment, which is why many of the same
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people who drive a car after consuming half a bottle of scotch will freak out if the airplane
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there on experiences minor turbulence.
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I guess the best way to put this relinquishing of control into context is that randomness
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is the difference between you taking risks and risks taking you.
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You know, about two minutes have passed since I've last used a pertinent personal story
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to make a point, so I think we're just about due.
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This is a quick yet macro control relinquishing story about how I got to be here today.
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No, no, it's not about my parents.
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For the sake of this story, here will be defined as having enough cred to write and record a
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marketing-oriented podcast in the first place.
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The story took place during my first year at Vanier College when I was kind of going
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to school part-time due to my full-time job as the entertainment editor of the Sunday
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Express newspaper.
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Given my professional responsibilities, I chose my classes to fit my work schedule and
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on this first day of course selection, I found myself shut out of the introductory psychology
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class that I was interested in.
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The course registrar, remember this was all done in person back then, the course registrar
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she told me that I could take the same psych class later in the day.
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Uh, no good, I said.
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I got to be at the office at that time.
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But then I asked, what else do you have in the 10 a.m. slot?
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She told me, well, there's introductory marketing.
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It didn't matter what word she said at the time, I would have signed up for introductory
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waste management at that point, as long as it fit the time slot.
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So chalk one up for fate and randomness because that class taught by Canadian business legend
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Don Tobin not only changed my perspective and my college major, but set me on a course
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that influenced every professional day of my life from that moment on, including this
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one.
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So here's the thing about random events such as the one at Vanity College, you can just
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let them happen and hopefully enjoy the ride.
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You can learn to recognize them and make them work for you.
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Or you can actively seek out randomness to understand, wrap your head around this random
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isn't always random.
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It can be self stimulated.
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I know that sounds dirty, but it's not.
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Let's move on.
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The secret is to generate random events.
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For example, I used to travel a lot for work and I like to read.
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The two went well together.
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Now I could have chosen to read in the comfort of my hotel room, but trust me, nobody's gonna
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come knocking on my door and say, excuse me, let's partake in a chance encounter.
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So I would lug my book down to the lobby or the hotel bar or a restaurant next door or
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any area buzzing with people.
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Now while this would not happen all the time, quite often the simple act of reading acted
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like a human magnet, sparking conversation and questions from people like, what are you
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reading?
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Or, I heard about that book.
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Is it any good?
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Or I have that book.
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It's one of my faves.
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Or why are you wearing so much jewelry?
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No matter what it ultimately led to, public reading led to way more than being sequestered
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alone.
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Another way to seek out randomness is to disobey the ominous four-word warning familiar to
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anybody who's ever had a mother, namely, don't talk to strangers.
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Now I get it, moms, especially those of my era, thought of strangers as the boogeyman.
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And yes, while I don't suggest you throw caution to the wind and talk to just anybody,
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but discerningly curated strangers are the source of adventure, of discovery and of opportunity.
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And yes, can't you just feel yet another pertinent personal story on the horizon?
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I won't disappoint you.
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This one took place on a chairlift in Vale where I sat exhausted after a fairly intense
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day of snowboarding.
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For those of you non-mountain types, chairlifts take a wide gathering of humanity, funnel
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it down to one line of four people which jumps on the chair as it makes its way up the hill.
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Unless you are a group of four, the lineup process will toss some random person next
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to you to diminish the line and make the most efficient use of the chair's space.
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That should explain it.
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While on these treks up, some which could take as much as 15 minutes on a mountain
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the vastness of Vale, there is very little to do to pass the time.
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You are basically faced with two options, ignore or engage.
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Given that the bearded guy next to me was holding a mascara, I decided to opt for the
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latter and jeez I'm glad I did.
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His story was that the mascara was not his but something he found in the lift line.
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He joked that maybe he would help him find the date that night.
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I asked him what he did and with less than a minute left before the lift discharged us
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at the top, he replied, I'm a snowboard instructor.
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Wow, what's their indipitous luck?
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Earlier in the day I contemplated upping my game by taking my first lesson in years.
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He graciously offered I'll take a run with you and give you some pointers.
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Despite my fatigue, how could I say no?
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Anyway, after two invigorating advice and challenge filled runs later, I exchanged contact
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info with Chris Sandos and Dowsky, former pro skateboarder, former railroad worker, world
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traveler, and the guy who teaches the teachers at Vale.
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And that's just the point with strangers, as long as they stay strangers, we'll never
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know this stuff.
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The catch is that most people, especially me believe it or not, most people are fundamentally
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shy.
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Trying to break the ice doesn't just require a sledgehammer but also the type of confidence
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that could shrug off a cold shoulder.
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That's what's so great about the chairlift, you have no choice.
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The choice is made for you, completely and random.
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It's like the old chat roulette without the nudity.
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In worst case scenario, if the conversation is trite and leads to nothing, once you disembark
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at mountaintop, you'll never see each other again.
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So over and above what Sandos taught me, what I learned is that we should borrow the chairlift
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process for other controlled random human pairings.
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This type of forced encountering works.
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I mean some of the best inner parties I've ever been to are the ones where they split
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up the couples and oblige you to sit next to someone you hardly know or never met before.
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You either converse or use your mouth just to eat and drink.
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So sorry mom, the problem with strangers is not that they are strangers, the problem is
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if they remain strangers.
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And if you think that is counterintuitive, try this on for size.
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The best fuel for randomness is the much misunderstood concept of ignorance.
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Because of grotesque moronic cartoon characters like Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin and Donald
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Trump, the concept of ignorance has been given a profoundly negative connotation and a bad
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rap.
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Put in the business sense, it's really more like, well as marketing guru Seth Godin puts
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it so succinctly, it's like bringing outside voices in.
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Unlike stupidity, ignorance can be cured and be helpful.
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During strategy meetings at both Just for Laughs and Airborne Mobile, companies that
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I ran, during these meetings I would always ensure that we had at least one ignoramus
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in the room.
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Not a buffoon mind you, but an ignoramus in the sense that they were outsiders, not specialized
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in our day to day affairs, yet interested enough to participate.
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Their general understanding or misunderstanding of the facts, the situations, the business,
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the history, the players, the what have you acted as a catalyst for discussion and discovery.
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At worst, the ignoramus made us explain things that have been over explained ages ago.
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And at best, the ignoramus saw things differently and forced us to take his or her green or
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advantage point.
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Their outsider status sometimes made the most hard and veteran see something new or reexamine
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a decision long ingrained as, this is how we always do it.
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Trust me when I say that at these strategy meetings, just about every exasperated sigh
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of, was met with an equal contemplation of, hmmmm.
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The first is creativity specialist Donald Wallace McKinnon, renowned psychologist and
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professor at the University of California, Berkeley.
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He said, the expert, all too often, knows that certain things are not so or just cannot
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be done.
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The naive novice ventures what the expert would never attempt and often enough succeeds.
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But the final word goes to comedian Lou Dinos who says, they say that ignorance is bliss.
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I don't know what that means, but damn, I'm happy.
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