Mailbag! What Schools Could Thrive As An Independent In The Modern Era? | College Football

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Hey k a the Cover three tail gate where.
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They are asking they are demanding more Purdue talk. Yeah, no,
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We've got actually more productive questions from the tailgate we asked.
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You delivered the Cover three Tailgate rocking and rolling with
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lots to get into here on an interactive version edition
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of the Cover three podcast.
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That's what Thursdays are for.
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We've got questions from the big old bag of male,
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including the one that you see here in the headline.
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Kind of a fun opportunity to look back at the past,
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but think about the present. What schools might be able
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to thrive as an independent here in the modern era.
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So I'm sure that there's a there are Actually I'm
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positive there are a lot of suggestions in the tailgate.
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We'll get to that one here in just a little bit,
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but let's start with a little bit of a fun one,
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just to get us rocking and rolling. Garrett jumped in
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the tailgate and said, which school has an underrated color scheme?
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Garrett offers a suggestion a Minnesota. But then also, if
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you want to take the other side of color scheme,
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what is a color scheme that should.
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Not be used? So under rated color scheme?
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I think, like, for example, I think that USC probably
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gets rightly rated. Correct, Like no, LSU probably gets rightly rated.
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Like there are some of.
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Those iconic ones. I would not say that those are underrated.
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Those are ones that everyone sort of discusses. What would
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be an underrated color scheme?
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First of all, it should be pointed out for the
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listeners that Garrett is a Texas A and M fan,
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so he might be just kind of biased towards maroon.
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So he sees Minnesota in that maroon and gold, and
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he's just like, that's a great color scheme because he's
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maroon and white. I do agree. I think it's a
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good color scheme. I think one that's kind of criminally underserved,
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and I'm kind of wearing it now sort of but
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like brown and yellow like Wyoming, Wyoming. Yeah, I kind
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of like that. I'm a huge black and orange guy,
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like Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma State.
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I love that.
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So that's cool. I think under that's under used, though,
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what about one?
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We're gonna see a lot more of North Dakota State.
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And yellow, disgusting combination green.
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That's why I brought it up. It's gonna stir up
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some emotion one way or another.
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Terrible, like I would rather die than wear those colors.
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What wait, wait, wait, wait, oh Packers, is that what
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you're Okay?
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Okay, okay, sorry, Bears are moving to Indiana and now
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Tom's all cranky about some NFC North rivalry.
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You might be surprised by some of my thoughts about
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the Bears moving to Indiana, Chip Patterson, Oh, you like it.
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I don't think it's well do we really want to
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get into it here?
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Sure?
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I don't think it's that terrible. I think if you
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look at where the super Bowl was just played. It
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was in Santa Clara, forty miles from San Francisco, home
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of the San Francisco forty nine ers. They hosted a
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Super Bowl. Everybody that came to town the media, were
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they in Santa Clara or were they in San Francisco?
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They were in San Jose, right bo in San Yeah.
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So if if Indiana wants to raise its taxes to
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build a stadium for the Bears, and then the Bears
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want to host Super Bowls and turn the NCAA tournaments,
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do you think the people that come to town are
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going to be staying in ham in Indiana or will
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they be coming to stay in Chicago? So Illinois will
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get all the tourist revenue while Indiana pays the taxes.
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I don't think it's that horrible for the state of Illinois.
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That's hey, yeah, let's let's go. I look back to
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color schemes. I so LSU often. You know another one
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that I think gets discussed. Are we in on purple
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across the board? Because I think TCU can give you
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some good stuff. I know that's a lot of purple
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and black, a lot of purple and silver. I can
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I can roll with TCU as a as maybe an
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underrated color scheme.
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You know what I love. I'm wearing it now. The
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sissy blue m hmm from UCLA. I like it Old
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miss when they do their light blue, I like Carolina's
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Carolina blue, and they mix in a light blue, like
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if there was just a color that's nice on the eyes,
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easy to wear. Their gear can match with a lot
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of different stuff. Those light blues I like a lot.
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Although they are soft.
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What about you know, we need Danny, We need more
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turquoise and orange like the Miami Dolphins, just really really
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soft colors where you show up and you're like, oh,
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we're gonna kick this team can play in the cold.
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Sneaky, sneaky use of a baby blue that I am
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a fan of is two lane breaking it out. Blue
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and green is not always what you think of, but
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they are the wave and those are ocean friendly color.
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I mean, ocean is different colors all over the world.
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But you know, in general, you're blues and greens. You
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you're not.
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Sure that it would work.
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But to me, to my eye, absolutely maybe a little
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underrated right there?
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Any any other ones.
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Hot pink and neon green? We need more of that. Seabrook,
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it would be the first college football team to adapt
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those colors.
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Before we jump into the big old bag of mail,
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I'll take another one from the tailgate. This one's fun
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a little bit more football related. The comment says, I've
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long held that Texas would be better off if quinn
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Ewers left after twenty twenty three, an Arch started the
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twenty twenty four season after one year of Arch Manning starting.
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Does this hold up or did Arch Manning need to
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spend twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four on the bench.
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I mean, they got to the semi finals with quinn Ewers, YEP,
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and they nearly beat Ohio State before losing at the end.
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As we saw Arch last year, like, it was not
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exactly a smooth ride, Like it was a very slow start.
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You could argue that if Arch starts twenty four, maybe
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Texas doesn't get to the playoffs. They might lose a
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game early they weren't expect and he did play quite
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a bit. But still it's just I don't know. I
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don't think there's any real difference. I think if you
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look at this year, even if Arch had a year
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of experience under the belt, he would still have been
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playing in an offense behind a really bad offensive line.
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I think also he probably would have left this year.
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And not be back for twenty six to be in
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Las Vegas in the National Championship game against Dante More
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in Oregon.
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Right, which is definitely happening in Booker technics happening. I
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think he was going to play two full years, So
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if you would have started earlier, I think he probably
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would have left.
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I think he would have been better in twenty twenty
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five if he played in twenty twenty four.
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For sure, definitely.
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But he did play in twenty he started like three games.
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I think Texas can still make the college football Playoff
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if Arch Mating had started twenty twenty four, not Quinn Yours.
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It is tough for me to get out of my mind.
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Quinn Yours throughout his whole career had some big throws
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in big games.
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I don't know.
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If Michigan game Alabama, like on the road, those environments,
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they might not win. They might not have made the playoffs.
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Remember the archbeat Michigan and ann Arbor.
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I don't know not and that was early in the
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season too, so like.
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Remember the Arizona State game. Some of those plays he
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was making coming.
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Out four down season saving. Yeah, big X factor in tangibles.
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So how about this, I do not know if Texas
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would have been better off. I think Arch would have
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been better off. I think he would have played better
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in twenty twenty five if he had gotten twenty twenty four.
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And so that's where the head coaching decisions matter, right,
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I mean, it's this was This was Steve Sarkisian's decision
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on how he wanted to manage the quarterback position, how
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they wanted to handle this, And it might not have
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been the best thing for Arch Manning's twenty twenty five performance,
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but it might have been the best thing for Texas
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in general, especially now that we look at the rest
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of that quarterback room.
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Arch comes back for twenty six.
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Now you've got a bridge until our guy Da Bell
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assumes the throne and wins three national championships for the Longhorns,
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and has.
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Long been established it's far more important to Chip Patterson
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that Arch is doing well than Texas about Arch.
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It's just my analysis here.
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You're an Arch guy, your big Arch booster.
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Arts don't need no booster, Kidden Arts don't need no booster.
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All right.
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We discussed it a little bit yesterday. We dropped it
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in there. So before we open up the big old
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bag of mail, Mikey, can we head on down to
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the mail room.
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All right, let's dive in.
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First of all, Danny, did you did you buy a
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Kurt Signetti headset?
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I did not. I've been on eBay because I've been
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picked up some cards, you know, I've been up collectibles.
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I've been very in on I got these new tops.
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I'm looking for the Mickey Mantle Rookie fifty two Rookie.
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Haven't pulled it yet, but I do have a Jeremy
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Panya if you want. Anybody wants one of those. No, so,
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I've been on them, but I've been on the collectibles.
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This one set a new record for a headset.
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What was it, one hundred and twelve thousand dollars?
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Right, yeah, I think the previous high was like ten thousand,
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and it was like a Super Bowl headset. I think
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was the what I saw there.
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There's an allegation in the big old bag of mail.
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That you you've got it, and that one of us
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are going to get it.
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Our friend dominated I think I believe it's the one
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who came through with it. But that's not where this
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question is.
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Okay, So we've got the question that I want to
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answer because we love our listeners who want to give
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them the answer. I think there's also a larger discussion
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as well, which is a little bit more of what
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we've got here in the headline.
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But question first.
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From half a username Lincoln Coward Riley.
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Okay, well we can.
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Guess where this where this guy is a fan of
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Notre Dame. Question.
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Notre Dame generally gets blowback for special treatment while the
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conferences are responsible for the collapse of the sport.
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My question is what other schools other.
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Than Notre Dame could have gone or stayed independent that
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would have been better for the sport long term. Imagine
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if Texas and USC were independent instead of ruining multiple conferences.
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Now USC and Texas.
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I still can't figure out which school this guy rouchel.
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I know, I know, I know the US in Texas.
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To me, while easy nominations for schools.
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That could thrive as an independent also don't have the
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interesting history of a Florida state, a Miami, a penn state,
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of some of these schools that were independent, you know,
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for for some time in a way that sort of
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allowed us to see them rise to prominence with the
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will schedule anybody anywhere type attitude.
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So what schools could be independent now?
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Or would the sport be better, as the listener suggests
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if some of these schools had been independent instead of
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jumping around in the conference consolidation.
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Well, first of all, to the two schools, did he mentions?
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And I assume he's an Oklahoma State fan.
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You know?
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But yeah, I like Texas has not been independent since
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nineteen fourteen, and us see its like a founding member. Yeah,
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always ever been independent, So I I don't know. I
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would also point out to this person that Oklahoma left
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the Big Twelve at the same exact time Texas did.
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It's a it's a tough question to answer because you
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have to remember why these teams joined the conferences to
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begin with. Like we talked about it a little bit
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on the show, either yesterday or Monday. The NCAA versus
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Oklahoma lawsuit in nineteen eighty three that led to conferences
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being able to pool together their television deals and sell
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them themselves. Well, it's not a coincidence that in nineteen
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eighty three there were still twenty three independent programs remaining,
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and there were some big names among them too, like
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let me see here, Notre Dame obviously was one, Penn
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State was one, Virginia Tech, Miami, Boston College at the time,
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West Virginia, pitt Florida State, Syracuse, South Carolina, Louisville. These
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are all Rutgers. These are all teams that were still
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independent in nineteen eighty three, and then conferences said we're
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going to sell TV rights. Suddenly that's no longer the gates.
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A bunch of schools start joining conferences. So nineteen ninety
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two comes around. Which was that the Bowl Alliance or
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the Bull Coalition, which one came first?
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What the Alliance Alliance is right before BC That is
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the last stage before BCS.
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Which for our younger people who don't understand what that is,
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that was before the BCS. It was we're going to
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try to put the one versus two together and then
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also we're going to take conference champions and pit them
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together in other big bowl games. So now if you're
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not in the conference, you're not gonna be playing in
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the Sugar Bowl, You're not gonna be playing the Orange Bowl,
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You're not gonna be you know, suddenly you've got only
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fifteen independence. Nineteen ninety five comes with the Bowl Coalition,
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which is just an advancement of the Bowl Alliance, and
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there's twelve independence. Then nineteen ninety eight comes and the
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BCS begins, and there's only eight independence. So, with the
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way the rules were going at the time, staying independent
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unless you had a very very very huge brand and
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your own television deal and only one school had that
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at the time, was not a very good bid chance
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for you. But since Notre Dame had all that kind
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of leverage of being Notre Dame, they were able to,
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you know, kind of work their way into those TV deals. So,
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like you could say, Penn State maybe could stay independent.
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But if you are Penn State and you're independent, is
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your schedule as attractive as it is in the Big ten?
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Like are you able to sell your team to a network?
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Are they going to pay a whole lot of money
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for you? If you're Florida State, are they going to
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pay a whole lot of money for you just on
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your own? And also, there are only so many networks
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to go around. Streaming services weren't a thing yet, So
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NBC's got all their money in Notre Dame. ABC's got
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the Big Ten and the SEC. Why are they going
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to pay for a program? Is CBS at the time
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going to pay for its own program and be like
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the NBC for Notre Dame. I just don't think that
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if you look back at the way the landscape was,
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it made sense for any of these programs to say independent.
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And I think that now thirty years later you look
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back and say, I wonder if how it would be,
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You'd probably be dead pretty much. You'd be in a
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G five league right now.
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What do you think about buds buds pitch?
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If Penn State had joined the Big East instead of
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the Big Ten, what would the ripple effects of that
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had been?
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So Penn State joined the Big Ten in ninety three, correct?
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Correct?
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So in nineteen ninety two, the Big East.
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Was Virginia Tech, Miami.
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Miami, Syracuse, Rutgers, BC West, Virginia, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Temple.
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I think the pitch is, does the Big East still
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get raided, you know, in the way that they did
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in the early two thousands by the ACC Do they
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hold on? And then all of a sudden you've got
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a Penn State in Miami, which had their own rivalry
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coming out of the nineteen eighties, like Penn State in
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Miami or your premier programs Beamers got Virginia Tech on
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the rise.
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Does the Big East still exist today?
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Because while this conversation is about independence, my mind immediately
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goes to smaller conferences would be better for the sport.
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I don't think more independence would necessarily be the best
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thing for the sport. But if we still had smaller
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conferences and more regional conferences, then yeah, I would be
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a fan of that.
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Yeah. But also I still think it maybe it takes
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a little longer, or maybe it looks a little different.
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We would have still gotten to converse.
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I still think we're all coming to the stage. We're
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coming to it, just it looked different getting there, like
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there's simply too much money involved for it not to
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eventually get here.
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Corey, a pittfan, points out in the tailgate, people forget
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Penn State tried to join the Big East, but the
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basketball schools blocked them because their basketball was horrid. Here
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we are what forty thirty some odd years later, Buddy,
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I got news for you.
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Ain't nothing changed by that basketball program, And.
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I'm going to again. I will once again read the
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list of the Big East schools in nineteen ninety two,
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and you tell me how many of them are still
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in the Big East. Miami, Syracuse, Rutgers, Boston College, West Virginia,
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Pitt Virginia Tech Temple. Not a single one. I think
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eating Yukon.
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I think if Texas wanted to be independent, Texas could
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be independent.
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Yes, they tried to be pretty much. They had their
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own network net work, Yeah, but their network didn't exactly
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like work out. I mean, there's a reason they joined
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the SEC. They were kind of trying to be independent.
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So I don't know, Ohio State.
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In a vacuum. Yeah, but you now you've got to like,
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if you're not in the Big Ten, does Michigan still
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want to play you every year?
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Like?
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That's the other aspect of this. Are you still able
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to schedule enough games that are attractive to a television
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partner to get you the money that you're getting as
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a Big ten school? Because I mean you see the
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amount of money SEC and Big Ten schools are getting
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on an annual basis. That's not you can't just go
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independent and automatically guarantee yourself you're going to get that
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from somebody.
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But don't you think Ohio State could command that? I
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did too, and I think Texas might be able to command.
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I mean, they had their own TV network, you know,
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which did you kill?
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The Longhorn Network, Danny that blood on your hands. He
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took it down from the inside.
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I do. Florida State is such a new brand, you know,
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they don't have the long tradition, you know. I think
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you know, when all the conference sewing was going around,
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I think that was floated around there. Florida State should
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just go independent, right and yeah, it would have been great.
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The buyout became, you know, very cost prohibitive. That's why
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they're still in the ACC. But I don't know. Do
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you think they're in the same boat as Ohio State
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and Texas? I don't either. That's why I don't know
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if they command it the way that I think it's
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a very select group.
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I think the best answer this question, as fun as
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it is to contemplate, is the market tells you the answer.
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There's nothing stopping these schools from going independent if they
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felt that they could make more money doing so.
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Allab So, wait, hold on, we do have buyout?
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Hold on?
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Is it SEC doesn't have a buyout or Big ten
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doesn't have a buyout, one of them still has a buyout,
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I think.
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But I'm saying they could. They could right now with
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the conferences, their TV deals would come to an n
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in twenty thirty one. They could come out and say
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in twenty thirty two were going independent, but for some
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reason they don't.
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Alabama could. I think Alabama, Yeah, they probably.
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I'm just starting to think.
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Would Alabama pull in the kind of television ratings if
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they weren't playing other SEC schools. I mean, if you
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look at.
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The post Nick Saban, like Nick Saban elevated them to
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where I do think pre Nick Saban, I don't think
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they could have, but post that dynasty, I think they
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would command. I think I.
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Feel like SEC schools need each other in a way that.
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Oh, because that's that's the selling point.
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It's not any one of them individually, it's all of
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their rivalries against each other.
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Mm hmm.
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I think. I mean, and I think that's a good thing.
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I'm not saying like, don't take that. I think it's
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a very good thing that they need each other. You see,
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like the TV ratings for these games, they're incredible because
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every single fan base is passionate about their school. So
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you get two fan bases watching every single game because
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they care that damn much, and it does well for TV.
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But if Alabama suddenly has to play more games against
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Memphis or other programs, do they get the same TV ratings?
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I don't know, Georgia.
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I'm just I'm trying to go down the list of
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like literally the the programs who've got the most team
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subscribers on our app, you know, like they're just like
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who's who's signing up, who's clicking, you know, like that
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using that as sort of a launching point data set.
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It's Notre Dame, it's Alabama, it'sc.
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You don't think that West Coast pulling in a whole
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region of the country.
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They would need.
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To remember there was the conversation when USC and Michigan
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were not signing on to that. I can't remember whether
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it's equity or capital and I don't feel like having
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finance bros call me on it. But remember there was
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like a deal those presented at the Big Ten they
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ended up not agreeing to, and the reporting suggested that
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USC and Michigan were in lockstep to not agree to
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this new deal, either an influx of equity or capital
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or something. But there was in that conversation, well what
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if USC and Michigan just go independent together?
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And that's where I think.
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USC could break off with a club of other traditional powers.
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I don't think USC could step out on its own
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and be like, yep, Notre Dame's independent, Yukon's independent, and
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we are too, Babe.
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I don't think that they.
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I don't think that they would have the commands to
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be able to match what they're getting from the Big
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ten and that television deal.
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And my answer to whether USC could do it would
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be member. I don't know what was it this year
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or last year when Penn State was on the road
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against USC. It was the CBS game, right, yes, and
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you know big games. Penn State, two huge brands, two
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brands were talking about going independent. CBS broadcast was very
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tight on the field for some reason. We weren't seeing
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a lot of the seats and I oh like answers
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the question of whether USC could afford to go independent
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or not. As long as they're going twelve and zero
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every year, USC could afford to go independent. But if
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they go eight and four, they can't afford.
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It, and also to pull back Danny, to pull back
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my data set, the Wisconsin Badgers have more fans that
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have opted in for like alerts and updates and things
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than USC has so and no one's I mean, I'm
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not sending a shot at Madison, but nobody's out here
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making the argument that Wisconsin's at the top of the
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list are ready to go independent.
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That's another one that I think is hooked in.
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So if we were to make the list, is it
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just Ohio State and Texas, Michigan Michigan.
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Yeah, I think everybody else needs somebody else.
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Nothing wrong with needing somebody.
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Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. The because there's another
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arm of this. The ESPN Stan Wetzel on the College
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Game Day podcast made the comment that it was told
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to him that the Ohio State Michigan game alone has
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a one hundred million dollar valuation, and I.
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Sounds right to me.
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But I would add on to that in the conversation
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that you can't make the whole plane out of the
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black box. You can't like, if Ohio State and Michigan
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played each other three times a year, it's not worth
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three hundred million dollars right. The reason why Ohio State
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Michigan is worth a hundred million dollars. Is because it
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is at the end of this season. Where do they have,
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you know, gone through this whole path to line up
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at this final meeting point at the last week of
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the regular season, and that is the game and carries
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that valuation because of being in the Big Ten and
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because of the common opponents, and because of their pursuit
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of a Big Ten championship.
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That while that is.
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True, and you can look at other teams and programs
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that have high valuations in a vacuum and on a
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spreadsheet to try and think that you're just gonna be
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able to replicate that without the current environment, I think
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is I think is a little bit off.
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But I'm not great with numbers.
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We've discussed this often.
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I think the yep, what finish to finish the entire conversation.
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In twenty twenty six, there will be like one hundred
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and forty schools at the FBS level now everybody's jumping
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into the FBS. Only two of them will be independent.
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There's a reason for it.
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Yeah, Notre Dame and Yukon.
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It's not fun in the wilderness.
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Joey, what about Duke or basketball. I could see Duke
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basketball going independent.
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Just to get away from North Carolina because they're so
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scared of them.
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They're so scared all the violence.
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The violence from those Baby Blue boosters don't get They
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don't want to get any of their coaches hurt from
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those violent tar heel fans.
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Old Jesse Shire Jesse.
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Coming up on the other side, more of your questions
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and our answers. Nukes back here on the cover three podcast. Uh,
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let's let's sort of keep the conversation going from the
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big old bag of male. This one a former independent
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football program that joined the American Athletic Conference a while
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back before their arrivals from Navy did. Because his Apple
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user name is Navy twenty twenty six, Natty Hey, guys
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love the podcast. As a die hard Navy fan, I
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have witnessed firsthand how culture and continuity can be a
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massive difference maker. Obviously, they play a G five schedule
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and had athletes they don't normally have, like Eli Heidenreich,
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Blake Corvath, and Landon Robinson. But Navy had back to
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back ten win seasons with players that largely had no
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other D one offers coming.
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Out of high school.
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I know it is naive in this era to think
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you can just keep your players and have continuity, but
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I think that culture specifically is hugely undervalued nationally. I
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think picking coaches and specifically recruiting players that boost team
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culture could be higher up, should be higher up on
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teams priority lists. Indiana and Georgia are teams that come
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to mind that have benefited from elite culture. I'd love
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to hear y'all's thoughts, and thanks for doing what y'all do.
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Are continuity and culture undervalued in the modern era.
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No, I think they're overval at this point. I think
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they get thrown about so much that we kind of
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just you know. I think in a transfer portal era like,
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continuity is huge, but I don't think it's that important
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because Indiana, you could talk about their culture, but was
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their continuity. All those players came from James Madison, like
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it was mostly a new roster and they completely transformed
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the team around. So I get what he's saying, and
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I think that culture is important, but I also think
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culture is often a byproduct. Like you never talk about
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the culture of a two to ten team. We're always
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talking about the great culture of the playoff teams or
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the teams competing their conference titles. It's like, if they're
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two and ten, it must be something wrong with their culture.
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It's not that they suck. So I don't know. I
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would counter it. It certainly probably seems that way a
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lot more when you're following a service academy because of
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just the way that those programs are still built and
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put together compared to the rest of the sport. But
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I would also counter by saying that Armies culture is
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a lot better when they have a very good quarterback,
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so is Navies. I think you're more quarterback dependent as
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a service academy than you are anything else.
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I think that you could look at I think you
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could look at Navy as a Navy fan and believe
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that player development and continuity gives you a little bit
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of an edge.
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I think. So I'll push back on Tom a little
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bit and granted, the teams that I picked to win
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the National to go to the National Championship Game both
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had a lot of continuity. It just underperformed. But I
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would also say, like coaches value it, it's just harder
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than ever to get it because of the transient nation
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notion of the game. But I do think Kirk Signetty
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did a good job and a lot of those players
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that transferred him from James Madison. It was their second
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year at the program when they were starting to come
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together and then they kind of fit some pieces, and
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Fernando Mendoza was a huge part of that, as was
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Pat Cougan from Notre Dame. Like they added to it.
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But I do think the culture of that team, like
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when you talk to guys and was it media days
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and asked Aidan Fisher about it, you know, and he's
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I asked him how many stars he was? He was
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like zero. You know, I think there's something about that
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where there weren't a lot of superstars on that team.
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They were more guys who came together collectively, including Mendoza,
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who kind of checked their ego at the door and
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were willing to do whatever it took to win. And
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I remember I had a conversation with coach Boalden before
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he passed away. It was about, you know, two months
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before he died. I was sitting with him and it
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was right at the transition of portal and players getting
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paid and his he was like, I don't know how
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coaches are going to build a team, you know, build
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a team when you have so many guys worried about
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individuals and making money. And I think that's the trick.
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I mean, and you just have to do it in
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eight months some six months with some of the players
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that are there. So I think it's overvalued from the
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standpoint of it's really hard to get. And just because
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the team's been together for three or four years doesn't
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mean they're automatically going to be good. But the coaches
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that can get that culture and camaraderie quickly, those are
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the teams that I think are going to be the
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most successful.
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I agree with you. I just wonder if we're confusing
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one word for another, Like we talk about culture.
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Well, I think culture and continuity are different.
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I agree. But like Danny mentioned the continuity of Indiana
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and having all those returning starters, but all those returning
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starters went ten and two the year before and lost
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every good team they played, and then the new quarterback
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came in for the first year, won the Heisman and
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they won a national title. So that that wasn't continuity.
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That was a brand new player that led you to
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a national title. I think that more important than continuity
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is just experience. I mean, you look at Indiana's roster,
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it's a veteran roster. You look at Miami's roster, it
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was a roster. You look at a lot of these
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teams veteran rosters. Ohio State had a younger, inexperienced quarterback.
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They suffered the price for it when he didn't, you know,
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because he didn't he hadn't really been through a whole
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lot of hell of a lot of battles because they
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kind of coasted through most of the regular season. So
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I think more experience is better than continuity. I don't
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care if you've been here the last three years, but
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have you been playing for four? I think that's far
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more valuable.
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It is, as the Tailgate has pointed out, the question
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came in I think maybe two weeks ago to discuss
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the words culture in Georgia football.
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In the same sentence on it.
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A great day for it, Well, great day for it
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on the morning where we've got another traffic violation I
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believe has come across the desk. I have not not
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reached out to the legal sources around Athens to find
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out the details.
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Unfortunately, I've become numb to these headlines.
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But yeah, but that's the retention piece, right, Like that
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is where Kirby Smart beliefs that if we recruit well
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out of high school and if we invest in retaining them,
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then we will build them up. They will play together
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and you know, we will have a team that after
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spending years in our program, which might be playing with
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each other, but it also just might be understanding the
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message from the coaches and what we want to do
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and how we want.
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To handle business. That not having to spend time in
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the spring retraining.
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Because yeah, I do think culture, like a lot of
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college sports, is a year to year proposition. Because you
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know who had a great culture with transfers Texas Tech
657
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and Joey maguire talked about how David Bailey, who just
658
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showed up, helped set the standard for that defensive line,
659
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and that was just you've got to find these individuals.
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You've got to find these fits if you want to
661
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be able to do it. I don't you know the
662
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question was this culture undervalued? I think culture is more
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important than ever. It just doesn't necessarily always come in
664
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a cookie cutter fashion. That when you've got the transient
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nature of these rosters, you need to have those couple
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of guys that are experienced or simply have a voice
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that the whole locker room listens to. I mean, it
668
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.320
is ridiculous to assume that Bryce Underwood was the biggest
669
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voice in that locker room, right, highest paid player.
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On the team.
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But you just showed up right. You know, That's that's
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where he's got to grow into that role.
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And I think that that's when we hear coaches talk
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about the development of the you talk about the quarterback,
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the development of the quarterback, like how being more vocal,
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taking on a leadership role. Not everybody leads the same,
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but I think culture is more important than ever than
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where we are right now. Getting everybody was alignment, pulling
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on the rope, you know, all those things I think
680
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are huge in a me over we era that is
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going on throughout all of sports.
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I mean, Florida State is a great example of a
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program that has tried to find that culture through the
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transfer portal. And when they had a Jared Verse and
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a Brandon Fisk and a Jordan Travis, even though Travis
686
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was there, but you pull in some of these guys,
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you get the right culture.
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It can work.
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But then they try to go back to it for
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a couple of years, and that's when I think when
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you face adversity, that's when you find out what the
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culture is in the locker room. And unfortunately for Mike
693
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Norvell and Florida State, you found out, Oh, these guys
694
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aren't really going to go out there and fight. As
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soon as they're out of the ACC title hunt or
696
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they're out of the mix, like all of a sudden,
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they start showing up for a paycheck. I think, wait,
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go ahead, Tom.
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Would we be better off if we instead of using
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the word culture we just used identity? Sure, Like, you're
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not really building a culture as much as you have
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an identity for your program and the type of player
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that fits it. So continuity isn't as important as much
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as it's this is the type of guy we want
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in here.
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Well, culture, I think is also expectations, like these are
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the sets of like a culture is. You're right, culture
708
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is overused and sometimes misused, I would say, But to me,
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one of the things that comes from culture is like, hey,
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our culture is that this is the standard standards and expectations.
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This is this is how we handle our business. This
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is the expectation of the way you're going to behave.
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If you do not meet that standard or meet those expectations,
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there's going to be some kind of consequence from it,
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Like there's going to be some sort of balancing and
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where that comes from. That's that's the decision of a
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coaching staff and of a locker room, right, I guess
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are you?
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There could be good cultures that work both ways.
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But I think that has a great culture it does.
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Right.
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How's that working?
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Develop and find?
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You got to find the perfect mix. You got to
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find the perfect blend of talent and buy in call
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all of it. I mean there's a bunch of terms
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you could use for it, and everybody's searching for it,
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which shows you how hard it.
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Is to acquire and also the number of time that
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the narrative can not connect to the reality within a lot.
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I mean, it's just you can think everything's all great
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and that this is like the most heartwarming team ever.
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You get a little bit closer and a little bit
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closer things are not always what they what they may seem.
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One last piece here, since the question did come from
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a diehard put self proclaimed diehard Navy fan, I do
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think that where the American athletic conference sits in the
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food chain of the talent pecking order.
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Navy might have an advantage against their conference.
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You mentioned the quarterback.
741
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I think that's fair.
742
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But I think that Navy's continuity, culture, consistency, whatever you
743
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want to call it, compared to the rest of that conference,
744
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.639
which for the most part just gets rated, you know,
745
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.400
but the very best players, that probably allows Navy to
746
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.639
be closing the gap a little bit with you know,
747
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.760
other schools where their player might not have had the
748
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.000
same recruiting profile as a Navy player, but that's allowed
749
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:05.199
them to close the talent gap.
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00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:05.480
There.
751
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An excellent observation, excellent theory. But I think we'll have
752
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to wait until next year when that quarterback and that
753
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.400
Eli Heidenreich and all those guys, the experienced guys that
754
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.119
they had are no longer there and it's a whole
755
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.079
lot of new faces and new places. We'll see if
756
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.679
they can that culture wins out again.
757
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.199
I trust our troops.
758
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:30.639
No, you don't. You bet against them constantly, Comrade Danny
759
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.519
over here, I was.
760
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.679
I looked at Caden Curry last year as like a
761
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.559
little little nugget to file away in terms of you know,
762
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.400
we talked about Ohio State all the time.
763
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.239
Oh, you just roll out another five star, roll out
764
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.000
another five star.
765
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.320
That's continuity, that's player development, you know, that's experience somebody
766
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.599
that sticks around for a couple of years. So in
767
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.159
all the like plus minuses the way we look at
768
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.639
these teams all the time, I was, okay, Ohio State,
769
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:00.880
not only are they recruit rooting at the very top
770
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.719
of the game, competing for championships. You're right, an inexperienced
771
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.960
quarterback probably hurt them in the Big Ten Championship and
772
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.760
in the College Football Playoff, But the overall health of
773
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.800
the program still has guys that want to stick around,
774
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.159
work hard, get better, and then when the when the
775
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.079
light is green, they're ready to go.
776
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.760
So it's a good point from Ozzie too. We see
777
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.960
a lot of times the staff gets Pilford because you know,
778
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:26.920
you win a championship. That's one of the reasons I
779
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.480
think it was huge in Indiana's bringing back their coordinators,
780
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.800
you know, and Mars been with him for a long time.
781
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.320
I mean they go back all the way to Elon,
782
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.119
you know, and James Madison. I mean they've they've been
783
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.800
together for a long time. So again, that kind of
784
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:45.239
goes to whatever term you want to use, continuity, culture, mindset, scheme,
785
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.639
all of it being on the same page. I think
786
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:49.480
that helps a ton of the coaching staff too. It's
787
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:50.599
a good point by Ozzie.
788
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.480
Congratulations to Bryant Haynes Broyles Award winner for the top
789
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.159
assistant in all of college football. Yep, Mario holds on
790
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.880
to Shannon Dawson, Corey Heatherman as well. So both of
791
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.679
our national championship competitors, you know, will be We'll be
792
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bringing it back.
793
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I have a mail bag question, yeah, from Canel Carbreakers
794
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thirteen in the chat. So did you guys see the report.
795
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I'm sure you probably did. Fernando Mendoza, Oh yes, this
796
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close to going to Georgia, he said. He actually tried
797
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to call Kirby Smart to commit, couldn't get through. Slept
798
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on it tonight, said God protected me. Opened up the
799
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door to Indiana. The question, does Georgia are they holding
800
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up a national championship trophy if Fernando Mendoza was the
801
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quarterback and not Gunner Stockton, Yes, you.
802
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.679
Probably, I'll say for sure, Indiana ain't.
803
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Yeah, I mean I just I think that and that
804
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is not a knock to gunnerstock or even that whether
805
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.039
Gunner Stockton could win a national championship at Georgia. I
806
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.599
still think Gunner Stockton could win a national championship at Georgia,
807
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But the.
808
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I don't I didn't think Gunner Stockton was at all
809
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.239
part of the problem. He played great in some of
810
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.880
their big games. Even in their loss against Bama, he
811
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played pretty well. They had the big drop pass in
812
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.920
the second half. I think the defense was the issue.
813
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.880
So I don't know if it does change anything.
814
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I don't think Gunner was a very problem for Georgia.
815
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I don't think he was enough of a difference maker
816
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.639
for Georgia. And I think Mendoza could have been a
817
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.039
difference maker. So when your defense wasn't playing up to
818
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.760
the standard that we've expected from Georgia in recent years,
819
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I think Mendoza could have lifted you above that offensively.
820
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And I do think Stockton he is limited as a passer.
821
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Yeah, I think that.
822
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I think the quarterback who had more touch than incompletions
823
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.199
in those first rounds of college football playoff.
824
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.880
Competition, like I just I think he's special.
825
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I mean, that's the reason why he's gonna be the
826
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first overall pick in the NFL draft. It's probably gonna
827
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be starting Week one of the NFL season.
828
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:15.840
He got a lot better.
829
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.599
Would he have had the same I don't know, Like
830
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.000
what would if he he have had the same drive?
831
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.599
You know, he sometimes goes to fit, you know, I mean,
832
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.519
like all the stuff we're talking about. How does he
833
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:26.719
fit in that locker room?
834
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:27.280
You know?
835
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.119
How does he develop as a passer. I mean, Mike
836
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.519
Bobo's taking a lot of heat. How does he work?
837
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:34.960
Work in that system?
838
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:41.920
First thing Fernando does is get a carpool going does boys,
839
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.559
We're all gonna drive together. We're gonna get into We're
840
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.039
gonna get buddy system going, four of us in a car,
841
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.159
gonna come to practice every day. We're gonna drive the
842
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speed limit.
843
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.239
And I was thinking about it, and I was doing
844
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.760
an analysis, and it's all about eliminating the variables and
845
00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.840
if too many of our players are getting suspended because
846
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.400
of carpools. What I did was I got a sixteen
847
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.679
pass at your van, I got my CEO license, and.
848
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.480
I decided we're driving the offense to school.
849
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.719
Okay, I'm gonna drive us around everywhere, and we're not
850
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.639
gonna get explended.
851
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:12.639
Yeah, that's how they win the national championship.
852
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.039
You know what Kirby needs to do. He needs to
853
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.159
buy all his players tesla's. Because I have a daughter
854
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.679
who has a heavy foot. She's already gotten a ticket.
855
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.239
We've already had to take it to court. She drives
856
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.199
my old Tesla. But you know what I have on it.
857
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.960
It has a top speed that you can drive, so
858
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.119
you can actually limit how fast she can go.
859
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.320
He needs to get them all back, Danny, just set
860
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:36.800
it back.
861
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.280
He needs to buy them all teslas and limit the speed.
862
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:43.119
I had governors on him.
863
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.639
I just want to say, Shanon Terry, if you're out
864
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.960
there listening and are you're a huge fan of the show.
865
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.039
If you want the college football personality who leads the
866
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.519
world in impressions, it's Chip Patterson. All right, get your
867
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.480
fat straight. I don't care about impressions on Twitter. I
868
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.199
care about it, right, that's right?
869
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.360
A bullet, Yeah, yeah, the CDL Ray comment.
870
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.320
CDL would be a great thing to add to his
871
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.000
LinkedIn profile, So obviously it's something that I'm honestly surprised
872
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:13.400
he hasn't going to get it already.
873
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.639
Tom, do you have a mailbag question as well.
874
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.960
No, mine was just the the identity and culture okay question?
875
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.079
All right, coming up on the other side.
876
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.920
More question this time from the Cover three tailgate and
877
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:35.239
more back here on the Cover three podcast.
878
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.199
A little team specific with this one.
879
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.199
Yeah, we like to use these mailbags as an opportunity
880
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.880
to bounce around the country answer some of your questions
881
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:44.599
about your favorite teams.
882
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.440
Nine am Eastern Time.
883
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.679
Jay Mango jumped into the tailgate. We appreciate you getting
884
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.800
the conversation started early, said, Auburn returns just one offensive
885
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.440
starter with Biram Brown's heisman hype, is it realistic to
886
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.119
expect a portal O line to hold up in the SEC?
887
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.679
Or is year one of Alex Golish going to be rough?
888
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.159
Is there a lot of Byron Brown heisman hype outside
889
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.280
of Auburn because this is the first I've heard of it.
890
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.880
He's a really good player. He is I'll say this,
891
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.000
He's gonna take a pounding. His body is built for it,
892
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.320
like he is a thicker, bigger quarterback, but he's also
893
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.119
had injuries that he's had to deal with, Like I
894
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.960
am very curious to see how his big body does
895
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.119
hold up because he does like to run the football,
896
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.920
you know, they do like to run him. I think
897
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.719
he could help elevate Auburn. But I'm with you guys
898
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.519
as far as the Heisman hype, I would pump the
899
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.320
brakes a little bit. But I think that's a massive question.
900
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.760
I think Auburn fans think it's a legit question to ask,
901
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.320
how does their offensive line stack up. I think that's
902
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.639
every coach's concerned, especially in the SEC. I think you're
903
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.159
definitely worried about that position specifically.
904
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.599
Yeah, I would very much prefer to have more continuity
905
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.440
on my offensive line. But I will point out, like
906
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.000
the idea of Auburn only having one offensive started returning
907
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.880
might not be the worst thing, because the offense sucked
908
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.480
last year, Like they had good receivers, but everybody else
909
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:21.639
was pretty meant. So, I don't know. I think it's
910
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.239
a legit concern. I do think that in the offense
911
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.800
that they run, offensive line isn't you know there? They
912
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.119
spread you out, they take deep shots, and then the
913
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.039
quarterbacks mobile scrambles around. Like you don't have to have
914
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.400
an all SEC first team offensive line for that offense
915
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.239
to be successful. Now, it certainly helps, especially in the
916
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.400
run game to be an elite offense with one. I
917
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.320
just think that this is still a team that should
918
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.760
be improved. But I don't think Auburn is going to
919
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.039
be competing at the top of the league unless that
920
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.039
offensive line really really does kind of just hit. And
921
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.159
it might. It's just you never really know when you
922
00:46:58.159 --> 00:46:59.400
have like a transfer line like this.
923
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.960
Yeah, this is where a fun fun tack on the
924
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.960
end of our experience conversation. Oliver and the Tailgate points
925
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.199
out that the offensive line projected to be three red
926
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.239
shirt seniors and one red shirt junior among those transfers.
927
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.960
But yet, I've also read a lot of literature and
928
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.719
heard a lot of commentary that if your offensive line
929
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.079
is built through the transfer portal, it normally does not
930
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.239
yield the best results.
931
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:27.840
I don't know.
932
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:28.480
I want to.
933
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.760
Say, I can't find it. I was trying to find
934
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.840
I felt like Alec Golish had a great quote on
935
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.400
his offense at like he said it was keeping him
936
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.840
up at nighters. There was some lot of praying for him. Yeah,
937
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.880
that's what it was. Yeah, there was something out there
938
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.599
where he's like he's aware of the issues on the
939
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.320
offensive line and hoping it comes together.
940
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.239
Yeah, I think that year one could be rough enough
941
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.760
that Byron Brown Heisman hype is misplaced.
942
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.760
That if we're going to actually talk about heisman hype,
943
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.000
you probably need.
944
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:00.360
To be fun.
945
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:03.760
That's no fun. Let's say he's the next Cam Newton.
946
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.280
He's going to carry that team.
947
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.039
I mean he will carry that team.
948
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:11.480
Yeah, but what I mean, what.
949
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:12.440
Are we talking about here?
950
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:18.360
Ultimately, let's see we're talking about a quarterback. He was
951
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:24.920
twenty eight and seven last year, hurt twenty four, twenty
952
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.119
six and eleven back in twenty twenty three.
953
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.039
He can make plays?
954
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:32.679
Yeah, not.
955
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:35.119
Not so sure.
956
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.679
How many do you think that Auburn is if you're
957
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.920
to tear them out in the SEC?
958
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:45.599
Who are their peers in their tier? Does that make sense?
959
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.760
Like I liked Tom's article. We actually discussed on the
960
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.960
radio show about Bowl. You know, teams that could make
961
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.880
a Bowl. You have them in a good category, right.
962
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.239
Like yeah, like it's coin flippy and you know.
963
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.800
It's necessary, but it'd be not or something like that.
964
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.400
Yeah, like you want to get off to the good start,
965
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.119
but it's not necessarily a minimum. I don't think because
966
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.159
you've got the new coach, the pressure is not on.
967
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.559
But yeah, like if they finished five and seven last year,
968
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.360
so it's not like they were very far away from
969
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.320
being a Bowl team. And my theory was just schedules
970
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.599
still difficult because you're still playing in the SEC and
971
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.599
you are on the road against Tennessee, Georgia, Ole, Miss
972
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.599
and PAMA. You get home games against Florida, Andy and LSU.
973
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.679
But your defense was very good last year, it's just
974
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.079
your offense stunk. So if you could still have a
975
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.440
good defense and improve your offense, which you should at
976
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.639
least points wise, it's not hard to think this team
977
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.519
can get to seven and five. So I would put
978
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.079
them in that, like, you know, not competing for an
979
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.719
SEC title, not competing for a playoff spot next year,
980
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.800
but firmly in that middle tier of the league.
981
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.400
Are they same as Florida? Is that a peer?
982
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:50.880
Uh uh No.
983
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I think Florida's in a little bit better spot.
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I think so too. A roster is better.
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I think Missouri's roster is better. I think Florida's roster
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is better. I think that.
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So what tier are they in? Who's in their tier?
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Kentucky?
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I don't know.
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I don't know if their roster is that much worse
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than Missouri's okay. I mean, if you look at the
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draft this year, there's gonna be plenty of Auburn players
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who go. And I think they've been talented the last
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few years. I just don't think they've been well coached.
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And I think they've made some serious tactical decisions at
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the quarterback position. So no, I don't think they're that different.
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And then that's not a knock on a Zoo. It's
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mostly that Auburn is talented, it's just they haven't been
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well coached the last few years.
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So you would put them ahead of Kentucky?
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Yes?
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Would you put them ahead of South Carolina?
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Yes? I think they're more talented than South Carolina. I
1004
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think South Carolina has the much better quarterback.
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Would you put Tennessee ahead of them?
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Yeah? I think historically you have to look at the
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last few seasons with Josh Eipel, they've been consistently a
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lot better.
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But if Joey Jagular doesn't get that extra year that
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reassesses things.
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Will be very interesting because you're to your point time
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they were five and seven a year ago. The issue
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was and the reason why a lot of college football
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fans brains think of it as being horrible. It's because
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they were one and seven against SEC competition and er
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to six against ranked opponents. It was just like a
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team that finished with five wins, but anytime that the
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money was on the table, they were not able to
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get it done.
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All right, let's see what we else we got here
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00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.400
from the tailgate? Ooh, do you all remember this? One
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simple question here? This was ten forty five am before
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we got started. Simple question here? How did the Cover
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three podcast get its name?
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Barton? Right?
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Three? Dudes? Cover three? What was the specifics of it?
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Was there deeper meeting behind it with bart.
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Dudes at the time?
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Oh?
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It was two? So how did it become Cover three?
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The Yeah, it was Barton's number and we liked doing
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a and he was a safety and so we liked
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to do in a coverage you know, like have if
1034
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if you're looking at all the different you know football way,
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you know, ways to use a name. I think there
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already was a Cover two also like maybe athlon had
1037
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I but Cover three was presented in a meeting and
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00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.760
I remember that it was it had a nice ring
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to it. And I mean, Danny you were were you
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on the show at the time of like the rebrand
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00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.320
or were you coming in to join us every now
1042
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:31.679
and then?
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00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.760
Tom would No, I think Danny, I think we I
1044
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.960
was full time before Danny came on, so we were
1045
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fully covered three at that point. Like when you guys
1046
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.199
first made the transition from it was what Ion College
1047
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Football Podcast?
1048
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:48.320
Now, there was a twenty four to seven sports podcast
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that started twenty seventeen.
1050
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It was you and Barton were the the permanent hosts,
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00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.480
and I was coming on to do locks pots and
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00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:58.599
then that transition to be doing it full time, and
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00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:03.159
then Danny came on and then Barton left because you said,
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I can't. I just can't. I can't work for me
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any longer.
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He was like most of the listeners that were when
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I was add it, that was a rough welcome. He
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covered three faithful.
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Turns out Change.
1060
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I mean there was there was some conversations like is
1061
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this gonna work? Maybe we should pull them off. It's
1062
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.000
a mutiny on our hands.
1063
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People do not like Change.
1064
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One star reviews were coming in fast and furious.
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Right in the chances Bud did cover one by himself,
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and he was just talking about b Yu the entire time.
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That is that is Bud to a t that is.
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Exactly Yeah, we uh yes to the answer the question.
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I remember Barton latched onto it. He liked as a
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former defensive back that it was a coverage and he
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likes the number three because it was his number. And
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00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.199
we'd been sifting through names for a while. Someone presented
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some artwork that we liked and we said, sure, can
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we please stop these Google meets now? I mean, ultimately,
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00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.440
whether a name sticks or not depends on how good
1076
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:07.039
the show is.
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00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.880
That was my mentality the whole time. Name it whatever
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you want.
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But if the show sucks, I mean, I guess you
1080
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.239
get to argue that at the fringes. But the key
1081
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.400
to making Cover three something that was gonna stick, was
1082
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:19.519
gonna be making a good show.
1083
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.639
So how many of the most consequential decisions in human
1084
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history have been made just because people were tired of
1085
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.599
talking about it?
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A lot? A lot, all right?
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One last one from the tailgate one a winter Olympic
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sport that you would want to compete in.
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Oh schemo. Have you guys seen the new one? It
1090
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.320
just was out this morning. It looks awesome. So it's
1091
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.800
like a it's a sprint. You start off and you
1092
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have to wear you wear a backpack. You start off
1093
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cross country uphill, then you go like in and out
1094
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this little octagon thing where you have to like go
1095
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.960
through this obstacle course. Then you take off your skis,
1096
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attach them to your backpack, you run up these stairs
1097
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like stadium steps, and then you get off and you
1098
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.519
put on different skis, like you fix your skis so
1099
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they're downhill skis, and then you ski down like the solemn.
1100
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It's awesome, and it's like three minutes total. Like so, dude,
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that was going sub six minute miles up the hill,
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Like I could not do that three minutes. I think
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I could give you something. That thing looks awesome. I
1104
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.679
think I might do it. I might. I might have
1105
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to make a run in twenty thirty and that one
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00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.320
scheme o sche mountaineering is what they call it. It
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looks awesome, Tom.
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I would like to do by half lie so that
1109
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.559
way I could get really good at shooting, and then
1110
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.000
after my Olympic career was done, I could just become
1111
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:48.320
an assassin for hire, make a lot of money and not.
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00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.440
Ryan, though you do look born to curl.
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Curling sucks, like I don't I understand, Like when it
1114
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first came on. It was kind of fun and it
1115
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.199
was a thing, but like, curling is the most boring
1116
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.880
sport on Earth. It gets I tried watching it and
1117
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:04.239
I'm just sitting there. I'm like, well, well, why are
1118
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.559
people watching this? I think that all of America's real
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00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.159
problems in the last decade started when we all decided
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curling was fun. I think if we would all just
1121
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.800
get together, have a heart to heart and say, you
1122
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.639
know what, guys, curling sucks. We need to stop paying
1123
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.199
so much attention to this. I think a lot of
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00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:20.840
I think that would heal our nation.
1125
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:26.079
I've got the answer. It's Tom and I doing doubles louge.
1126
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.119
That's exactly how thin.
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Who's on top sixty nine position. It's like a skeleton
1128
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:41.159
luge like hybrid what I would love to do. The
1129
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.079
louse honestly were terrifying, but I would love to try it.
1130
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:48.920
SNL had a funny bit a couple of weeks ago
1131
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:53.679
about an Olympic athlete who hated the sport, but her
1132
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.039
body was perfect for the loose, Like, physically, the only
1133
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.679
thing that matters is your bone density, your weight, and
1134
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.239
the way that it's dispersed.
1135
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She's like I'm terrified from my life.
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Every day.
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She's like every day as a hell for her. Yes,
1138
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he has to go do something. She cannot stand. See
1139
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:16.159
waything she can do?
1140
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:19.920
All right.
1141
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.760
We will be back on Monday next week.
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00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.159
Among the topics that we will be getting into include
1143
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.119
starting to turn our attention to the quarterback position in
1144
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.760
twenty twenty six. On Wednesday, we will be ranking the
1145
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:35.639
top returning quarterbacks.
1146
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.679
Also at the end of the week an NFL.
1147
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.920
Combine preview to get you set as we say goodbye
1148
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:44.400
to some of our favorite stars at the college game
1149
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:48.400
and they begin the process to prepare for the NFL Draft.
1150
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.920
So quarterbacks, NFL Combine, and so much more on the
1151
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.400
agenda for next week. Make sure you're hanging out with
1152
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.119
us live.
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00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.000
We'll be back Monday, eleven a m.
1154
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.480
Eastern Time, and you can follow him on Twitter, Tom Fernelle,
1155
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.760
you can follow him at Danny Canell.
1156
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.880
You can follow me at Chip Underscore. Patterson. Gentlemen, Thank
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00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.280
you very much, Thank you, see you