Were There Giants Before AND After the Flood? The Nephilim and What Followed

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What they're trying to do is build a gate between
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heaven and earth. I think that there was a redo
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of Genesis 6, but this time they did it in
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their local territories because they would be considered to be
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like principalities. Now, that doesn't mean every single Elohim of
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the 70 or of the nations went rogues.
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I'm Rai, your Kodega, here to lead you through the
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shadows of the unknown. My journeys have carried me across
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hidden corners of the world to places steeped in wonder, whispers,
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and unanswered questions. Walk with me as we uncover ancient civilizations,
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unravel unexplained phenomena, and chase the legends that refuse to die.
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Welcome to Kodega's Codex. All right, everyone, welcome back to
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another episode of Codeca's Codex of Curiosities, where we discover
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and dig into the strange, the weird, the old, the ancient,
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the unexplored, and everything else that just falls between the cracks.
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collecting all those stories, and going forward with that story. Um,
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Let's get into tonight's interview. Now, my guest tonight is
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a friend of mine who hosts the wonderful show Broadcasting Seeds,
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and his new book tackles a question most churches never touch.
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What if the flood didn't actually end the war? What
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if the giants Moses faced weren't a leftover bloodline, but
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they were round two? Welcome to the show, Bennett.
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Hey, Brian. As usual, thank you very much for having
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me on. It's always a pleasure and it's always a
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good time to catch up, man. It is. It is.
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I always appreciate that. You know, we usually spend like
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the first half hour, 45 minutes just chit-chatting and catching
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up and it is great. But we are here for
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a reason and the reason is your new book. So
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let's just get right into it, you know. There is,
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and the first question I'm going to give you is,
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there's a king in the Bible with an iron bed
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13 and a half feet long. Now, who was he,
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and why should that terrify us?
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So, the bed you're talking about is, that is the
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bed of Og of Bashan, and he was the I
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guess what you would call the last king of the
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Nephilim or the, or the Rafaim actually. So he's one
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of the most, frankly, the most interesting giant figures in
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the old Testament. He was the king of Bashan, like
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I said, and he pretty much ruled most of the
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territory East of like in Jordan, like East of Mount Hermon, where,
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the Watchers, like Genesis 6, all went down, right? So,
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like the north area, north of Jordan, east of Mount Hermon.
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And the Bible identifies him as one of the last
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surviving Rephaim, a people, and I would say giant, clan
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repeatedly associated with extraordinary size and the biblical giant tradition, right?
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And The passage that gets the most attention is Deuteronomy 3,
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I think it's 311, and it says, Og's iron bedstead
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was nine cubits long and four cubits wide, roughly 13 1⁄2,
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14 feet long and about six feet wide, depending on
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the cubit measurement that you use, because it says, you know,
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And some cubits are 18, some cubits are 21 inches, roughly, right?
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So that does not automatically mean Og himself was 14
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feet tall. But since beds can obviously be larger than
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a person that's using them, but the text deliberately emphasizes
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its enormous size and that it's made with iron and
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not wood. So because of the weight and whatnot, right?
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And that makes sense. At first I was like, well,
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why was it made with iron instead of wood? Oh, yeah,
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to support that weight. Now, you said a name there,
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and this is, it comes up so many times where
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people talk about the Nephilim and then the Raphaim. What
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is the difference between those two? Just so we can
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clarify this.
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So Nephilim, I would say Nephilim are pre-flood giants. That's
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what I would say Nephilim are. Now, technically, Raphaim are
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post-flood giants, according to, like, Gary Wayne, and we've talked
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about some of this stuff, right? But I would, not
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necessarily a different classification. I think at the end of
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the day, and this is kind of what's in this book,
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is that they came from the same a seed, right?
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And the same type of incursion caused the Nephilim and
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the Rephaim, but one was before the flood and one
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was distinctly after. That's my definition. That's what I think happened. Now,
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tons of people will argue with me, but not really,
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because the bottom line is none of us really know
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I'm just going off of doing a ton of research,
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reading so much material and whatnot from, you know, Chuck
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Missler and, uh, Gary Wayne and, uh, Michael Heiser and
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name it, name, name a guy. And I've read, probably
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read their book on, and on this stuff.
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So, um, the flood wiped out the Nephilim almost completely,
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or it might've been complete.
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I would say completely because why would God have acid? Uh, seriously,
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like why would, why would he, the whole reason for
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the flood was to exterminate the Nephilim and all the
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humans that had either interbred with them or sinned alongside them.
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And it was a, reset for a reason but you
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had eight people noah and his kin and their wives
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that survived right and because they were well noah was
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pure in his dna frankly i i guess that's where
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we'll go that and so with that being said um
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why would god let one slip through the cracks That's
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kind of how I look at it. Like, I do
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not believe in God that much that he would.
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Think that he would have asked it.
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Right. Yeah. That's kind of how I look at it.
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OK, so why are there giants again? I think it's
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in Numbers 13 where they state that again, which is
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800 years later. Why do we see giants again? Where
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where did they come from? So they're all wiped out.
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How does that start again?
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Right.
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So what I, my theory is this, and it's not
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just my theory. I say my theory. It's not my theory,
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but I grab onto it and I go with it.
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And what it comes down to is the second incursion.
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I think the second incursion theory is that all you
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have to do is look at the fall of Babel, right?
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So you have the Tower of Babel. And they, the
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Tower of Babel gets torn down or whatever that was,
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a ziggurat or whatever, you know. But Babel is torn
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down and God disperses the nations across the earth, all
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with different tongues, right? And then he puts 70 Elohim together.
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or you can call them the divine council, you can
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call them whatever, but either way, they're divine beings, Elohim,
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one over each nation, and then keeps one being Israel
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for himself, right? Now, what I think is that those
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divine beings, because then you go on and look at
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Psalm 82, right? Those beings are being reprimanded and punished
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by God inside. 82 for not doing their jobs correctly
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for not doing their oversight correctly and I think that
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there was a redo of Genesis 6 of the 200
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watchers descending mating with women and what not but this
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time they did it in their local territories because they
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would be considered to be like principalities, right? Principalities powers.
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But I think it was more localized. Now that doesn't
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mean every single Elohim of the 70 or of the,
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of the nations went rogue. But I also think that
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we don't hear, and we don't really talk about the
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fact that the influence of Satan on those other angels, right? Uh,
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or heavenly beings. So that's my theory in a nutshell,
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is that those other B'nai Elohim that were in charge
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of the nations then accepted worship. They did, you know,
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all the things. They impregnated women. See, I also look
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at it as, I don't have tons of proof, but again,
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I'm not the only one coming up with all this stuff, right?
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That there is... I think there's the one ruler and
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then there's a hierarchy. We know there's a hierarchy in heaven, right?
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So it's not just one divine being going rogue. It's
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him and his host. Okay.
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And so you are referencing such as like the pantheons,
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like the, the Greek, the Egyptian.
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I think we're all that stuff. That's, I think we're there.
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That's where all that comes from across the whole earth.
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Because I, You have the same stories, you have the
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same instances of worship and whatnot of these pantheons, right?
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Some of them are in Greece, some in Norse, Chinese.
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I mean, it's across the globe, man.
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Yeah, the Mayan, the Aztecs.
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You can, that's undeniable. So that's what I think caused
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these other giant tribes that we see later in the Bible,
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that Moses, once he takes back, Moses and his line
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take back the Holy Land, they're fighting against some giant
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tribes to take it back. And I think those are,
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that right there is kind of, it shows there's different
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giant tribes, right? The Emamin, the Zamzumim, the Raphaim, the Anakim, right?
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These are all different tribes. This also shows, in my opinion,
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shows that we're not talking about one bloodline that survived.
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We're talking about multiple different ones because they allegedly speak
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different languages. They, you know what I'm saying? So we're
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talking about distinct, different tribal groups of giants that are not.
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It's important that, like, theologically as well, that it's not
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any leftover bloodlines, but a second incursion because the leftover
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bloodlines mean that God's rule wasn't absolute. It's kind of
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one of the things like his, his decisions, his, what
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he did was not absolute. And then that shows like,
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it's not perfect.
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Yeah. Like one of the things that I wanted to
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show too, or that I want to talk about is
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because people will bring up the, I guess you could
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call it the, like, the decay curve. Like, because there's
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a definite downsizing in giants' abilities from the Nephilim to
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the post-blood giants, right? So, and I attribute this to, like,
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the decay curve, right? And two modifications that were made
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after Babel. And after the Flood, sorry. Not just after Babel,
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but after the Flood. So like the lifespan data does
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something that a legend would not do, right? It records
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two distinct drops with a plateau between them. And it
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tells you every event sits at each one. So Noah
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lives 950 years. He was born before the flood. So
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he carries the old, I'll call it template forward. Shem
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lives 600. And he was also born before the flood.
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Then Arafaxid and the first patriarch to live his entire
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life in the new world, right, comes in at 438. Okay,
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that's a big problem. And Shayla, 433. Eber is 464.
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The system finds a new level.
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It holds it in the mid-400s then. I think it's Peleg, P-E-L-E-G,
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goes 239. In one generation, a drop of 225 years, right?
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Genesis 10.25 tells us, it tells you why. In a
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line that reads like a footnote, right? In his days,
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the earth was divided, and Peleg's name means divisions. Babel
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happens and his generation and the second compression is written
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into the gap between his father's lifespan and his own.
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So after him just decay, it just goes to the floor, right? 239, 230, 149,
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Abraham to 175, Isaac to 180, Jacob 147, Joseph 110,
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Moses dies at 120, right? Exactly at the number God
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announced in Genesis 6.3 and Deuteronomy 34. Goes out of
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his way to say his eyes were not dim and
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his vigor was not gone. He didn't decline. He just died.
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He hit that ceiling. Now, what I'm saying with this
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is that if you have angelic beings, then mating with
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this is lesser... again, not lesser humans per se, but
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something happened, right? Like the DNA was regulated somehow. Well,
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you and I, I think, have done an episode on
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that where we talked about dark DNA and we talked
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about some things. Maybe it wasn't you. I don't know.
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I don't think so.
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Yeah. I've done it on multiple podcasts, but we talk
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about modern day, like CRISPR technology and or just DNA
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in general. And there's like these different epigenetic locks put
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on certain parts of our genome? What if that was
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done by God? And then certain abilities are stifled. Our
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ability to live long lives is stifled. That's evident, at
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least per the Bible, right? So I look at it
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as also maybe it was sort of punishment on humans,
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but also punishment on the... Like, you can do this again, right?
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Saying this to the fallen, that you can do this again,
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but you're not going to get the same result.
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The same results. That's... Yeah, that makes a lot of
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sense when you're thinking about it. It's kind of like, yeah,
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I'm going to limit this more because the Nephilim ram...
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Ran rampant.
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I mean, we could do nothing against them. And then
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if you notice, we're able to actually, humans are able
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to actually defeat them after the flood. Now, we also,
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I think, had divine favor.
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Like David and his five stones.
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Yeah, correct. Among that, you know, and that was that
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was the last of the of the the known giants. Like,
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you know, you had Goliath and they call him his brothers.
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But I think maybe one of them was his actual brother.
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But the Philistine giants who were remnants of the Anakim, actually,
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they weren't Philistine giants per se. They were just remnants
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of that Anakim bloodline. that was hiding in the Philistine,
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like a remnant in the Philistine territories. So, yeah. But
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you had those two modifications, one at the flood and
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then one at Babel. And the speed, the speed is
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the argument, right? Natural selection works across thousands of generations.
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These drops happen in one. So, boom. Within one generation,
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everyone goes from 400 and whatever to 120. That's it.
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So you believe, like, the Elohim were strategically placed over
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70 nations. So there were 70 kind of, like, major...
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major god-type figures.
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Like territory, right? Yeah. Yeah. And there was, like, one...
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Little G gods, you could say.
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Yes, exactly. Little G gods. And there was one, like,
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one little G, and then there was rest that were
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even the minory... The minor Gs then that played underneath him,
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like you're saying his host.
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And some of those were demigods, right? Which are what?
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Half human, half god. That sounds like a Nephilim or
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a Rephilim. So it's like you can call them demigods, like,
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and we do in Norse mythology. Specifically, people know Norse
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and Greek and Roman a lot, right? Now, the Romans
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and the Greeks, technically, we're probably talking about the same gods, right?
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But the Norse and the Greek... they call them demigods, right?
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So that sounds, all that is to me is a
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Nephilim or a Rephilim or whatever you want to call them,
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whatever name you want to give them, right? I don't
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get as wrapped up in the semantics as many people
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do because it's just, yeah, I don't find it productive usually.
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So, Do you know much about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
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I know a decent amount. Okay.
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Like, what do they add in that is missed in
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the Bible? Is there something that complements the Bible that
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we can use and learn more from them?
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I mean, you have, obviously, you have the Book of Enoch, right?
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And that was a huge part of it. The thing
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about the Book of Enoch in the Dead Sea, in
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the Qumran, in the Qumran caves, right, the Dead Sea Scroll,
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the Dead Sea Scrolls, is that all of those books
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that are part, it's technically the Book of Enoch in
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its current state, is five books. Four of those books
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were found in number, okay, meaning more than one copy
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of in those Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran. So I'm
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not saying that they're scripture. That I am not saying.
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But they were definitely a good litmus maybe for like history,
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I guess you could say. If for nothing else, they
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were a good pulse to take what Second Temple Judaism
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was studying or what they believed even. So they were
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believing and or I mean, and there's also quotes in
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the Bible that come directly from the Book of Enoch.
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Because you have the Book of Enoch, there's first Enoch,
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then you have the Book of Watchers, the Book of Giants,
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the Book of, well, the parables. And so the parables
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is part of the Book of Enoch, but it was
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not found in Qumran. So that's kind of a weird thing, right?
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Please enlighten me as to why it's considered part of
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Enoch if it wasn't found... Because it.
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Talks about the same stuff. It's got some of the
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same vibe, I guess you could say, right? Now, there's
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a huge... It's the most contested over piece of that
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entire book, right? And some say it's old, some say
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it's new. Parables is a whole... That's a whole episode
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on its own. what's funny is I actually just have
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an episode coming out on parables. Like I think it's tomorrow. Yeah.
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But either way. Um, so the book of Yidam gives
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you background on, uh, on what's going on here with,
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but it's, that's all, frankly, it's all pre-flood. It doesn't
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have much to do with post-flood stuff.
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Right.
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Um, So does it expand on what's happening in the
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second incursion? Not really, other than it gives you definitions
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on what we're dealing with, right? Yeah, I think that's
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probably the best answer I can give you. Other than that,
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when it comes to things that were found at the
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Dead Sea or at Qumran, I can't really think of
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anything that's applicable. Maybe. Do you know of anything? I don't.
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I don't. Yeah. I rely on so many other people
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to keep me informed. I'm like, tell me. Tell me, please.
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Right. Yeah.
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Well, you know, with discretion, I, you know, try to
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piece everything, all this together. I'm really interested in these pantheons.
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That is something that I just can't escape. You know,
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it's like, These pantheons, these 70 nations. But before we
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get there, I would love to go back to Babel.
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And can we go into a little more depth into Babel?
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You know, the Tower of Babel. And you said Ziggurat. And,
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you know, I just had Cody on, and he actually
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agrees with you. He thinks that there's Ziggurat. It's a
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Ziggurat as well. Because I don't believe... It's this tower
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reaching for the heavens. It's in height. I don't believe
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so at all. I think it's more of like this
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device that can transport or take them or along that line.
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Let's go into your thoughts on that.
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Yeah, I think it's some sort of portal thing, right?
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Yeah.
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And it's not so much a way for them to reach. Well,
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it is. It's just what they're trying to do is
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build a gate between heaven and earth, essentially. How they
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were doing that, we don't really know, right? But I
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think that if you look, this kind of goes into
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this whole nations, right, after Babel, what did every one
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of them do? They all built pyramids, which is essentially
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a ziggurat, right? So, I mean, there's, you know, I
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challenge your audience, look, look it up, look at the
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pyramids across the earth. Why else would they do that?
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And If you look, I mean, because the bottom line
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is we don't know when they were all built. Because
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they're all, some of them we do because they weren't
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built necessarily with stone, right? But, so we have, but why?
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Why did they keep building these, why did these pre-civilization, well,
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And that can be contested as well.
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That can definitely be contested, yes.
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But at the end of the day, all these early, early,
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early civilizations build these pyramids. And I say it's because
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they're all connected. There's congruency between all of them. There's
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congruency in multiple ways. There's congruency in their myths. Every
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one of them almost has a flood myth.
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Right?
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I mean, from Asia to South America, right? You have
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flood myths everywhere. So you have these conjoining histories, right,
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across a lot of these things. So that's my opinion
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on the Babel part. I think after Babel, that's proof
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that we're talking about one civilization that was then dispersed.
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because there's just too much that rhymes. Again, my opinion. Yeah. Hey,
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that is like assholes, man. Um, you know, everybody's got
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one and, and they usually stink. But at the end
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of the day, um, I, to me, it makes too
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much sense. And that's very simplified, of course, but you know,
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you have so many congruencies, not only, so we talked
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about pantheons too, right? You have many congruencies across the
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pantheons with different pantheons having very similar gods, little G
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gods in them from dog headed men to lion men to,
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you know, just all kinds of giants with different powers
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and just these monkeys, right? The monkey, the monkey. So
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that kind of harkens to Sasquatch or things like this,
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that lion men and Sasquatch and dog men and all
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the things that are still in a lot of people's
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minds running around out there. have a lot of congruency
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with these pantheons as well, post-flood pantheons.
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Yeah, you know, there are stories of these dog-headed creatures.
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You know, we have Anubis from the Egyptian, and I
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forget the name in Mayan and Aztec. They have one
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as well.
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So I talk about this in the book. and I
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think it's chapter 20, uh, so one of this cross-cultural pattern, right,
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is especially with the dog stuff. It's where one of
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these cross-cultural patterns is the tightest, right? And it's, it's
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the one I'd use, uh, to really prove this stuff
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is going on. It goes everywhere from like the modern,
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starting in the modern day with like the 1987 Bray
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Road incident outside Elkhorn, Wisconsin. Like a man comes around
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a curve and something crosses his headlights, blah, blah, blah.
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You could take any normal modern dog man sighting, right? But,
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You take that and you go back 4,000 years. You've
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got Anubis, jackal-headed, guardian of the scales. You've got, what name?
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It's like Wep-Wah-Wet. It's a wolf-headed and the opener of
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the ways. who opens paths through the underworld, right? You know,
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you've got the Senecephali, dog-headed men, documented as a real
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category by Herodotus, by the Persian court, for God's sakes, right?
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Dog-headed men. And there was their own, even by Marco Polo, right?
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You are correct.
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Right.
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Augustine... also discusses this in the city of God, whether
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dog-headed men descended from Adam. But either way, Augustine talks
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about it. I mean, there was even a city called St. Ecephali,
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which was the city of dogs, you know. So, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot, though. But I think what you were
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talking about in Mesoamerica is the... There's a dog-headed god
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down there, too. And it starts with an X.
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Yeah, it starts with an X. Yeah, she or she, yes.
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Lottie or something like that? She-lottie? She-lo... I'm accessing my
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brain right now, but it's... Yeah, it's the X-O-L-O-T-I. That's
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how you say it. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's X-O-L-O-T-L.
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T-L, not T-I. Gotcha. And that, again, who guides the dead.
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Yep, that's exactly it.
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You know, with... And this is part of the reason, like,
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you've had dogs buried in tombs as guides, right? The
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Kolyma culture... producing hundreds of terracotta dogs for graves.
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Sholot. Sholot is the name.
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Okay, gotcha. You're closer to there than I.
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Am.
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I would, yeah. Yeah, fair enough. We'll go with that.
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Yeah, and then Mesopotamia, associating the dog with Gula the
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healer and with Nergal of the underworld. So you, you
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have this, this.
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Is almost like these were all handpicked. Um, like, okay, you're,
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you're the lowercase G running this, uh, we'll say you're
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raw from Egypt. And now these are your specific, uh,
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you need to fill these ones and you need a
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dog headed, uh, you know, lower, lowercase G to run
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this part of the, of this. It, It almost seems
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like that because there's so many crossovers, so many.
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So many. Well, it's like every one of these cultures
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puts the dogheaded being kids. I'll just use this as
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the we'll run with this example. Right. But the dogheaded
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being in the same functional position at the threshold between
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the living and the dead. Right. They were not in
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contact with each other either. That's the thing. Allegedly, allegedly. Right.
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They placed the being in the same slot because the
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being's actual nature put it there, right? And the disembodied
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spirits from the watcher program, and that's what I call it,
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the pre-flood watcher program, inhabit the margin between the material
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world and what's beyond it. And a being produced by
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that same program shares that spiritual territory.
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Right?
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Which is why the modern dogman reports cluster at graveyards,
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abandoned buildings, rural crossroads, and straight up liminal places. I'll
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steal my verb from my buddy, Trebles Garcia, liminal places, right?
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It's the same address in every century. So.
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You're correct. They can always be found in those specific areas.
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And They're associated with death, with the crossing over, like
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you said, those crossroads.
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I mean, they're terrifying, dude. For some reason, I can
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go run around after monkeys out in the woods. Like,
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you know, I started as a Bigfoot researcher. Like, that's
462
00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:12.659
what brought me into this whole supernatural space. For some reason,
463
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.059
I can do that. But as soon as I bring
464
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.610
Dogman into it, something inside me clicks. And I'm like, nope,
465
00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:24.989
not cool, right? I mean, I've had experiences with Bigfoot.
466
00:35:26.420 --> 00:35:28.460
And I do not want to have an experience with
467
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:33.340
a dog, man. They just don't. Terrifying to me, but whatever.
468
00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:39.340
Yeah, I think they're more primal, more predator type. Whereas
469
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.159
the Bigfoot, and this is not my own personal experiences.
470
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.900
I'm just going on from what people have told me.
471
00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:49.030
You know, like Bigfoot is more of a hominid and curiosity,
472
00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:56.659
but it also is territorial. But the dogman, the werewolf,
473
00:35:56.699 --> 00:36:00.059
you know, they are more vicious. They are more primal.
474
00:36:00.139 --> 00:36:01.500
They are more predator.
475
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.610
Yes. Yes, for sure. But there's also so many stories
476
00:36:07.710 --> 00:36:15.949
about like satyrs, right? And the pan type entities that
477
00:36:15.989 --> 00:36:19.429
are actually in the Bible. So it's, you know.
478
00:36:19.449 --> 00:36:21.739
Do tell. Do tell. This is something I've never heard before.
479
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.840
So you've got the, so the Temple of Pan, right? Well,
480
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:31.760
this kind of brings us back to actual scripture, like
481
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.349
with Jesus at Caesarea Philippi, where he stands at the
482
00:36:36.369 --> 00:36:41.329
base of Mount Hermon at the Temple of Pan, the
483
00:36:41.469 --> 00:36:44.630
Seder type god.
484
00:36:45.110 --> 00:36:45.309
Right.
485
00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:47.309
And that's what it was. But it was also the
486
00:36:47.389 --> 00:36:51.679
gates to the underworld. Okay. And that's where he plants.
487
00:36:52.579 --> 00:36:55.820
I say plants this flag as this is where I
488
00:36:57.460 --> 00:36:58.559
am starting this church.
489
00:36:58.659 --> 00:36:58.880
Right.
490
00:36:59.300 --> 00:37:03.869
This is there at the base of Mount Hermon at
491
00:37:03.909 --> 00:37:08.110
the temple, at the temple of Pan. I, you also,
492
00:37:08.369 --> 00:37:11.349
I'm trying to think of where I, where I correlated
493
00:37:11.389 --> 00:37:13.630
that in. There's just too much crap going on in
494
00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:19.730
my brain. Um, but the, uh, you've heard of Shaheem, um,
495
00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.949
in the Bible. So that is, that is what they're,
496
00:37:24.340 --> 00:37:29.599
it's a classification of demon to an extent. And a
497
00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:33.960
lot of times they are, um, consider, or they are
498
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:39.030
described as the, the goat demons, like the, the half man,
499
00:37:39.070 --> 00:37:46.400
half goat, the Shadim. So, um, It's wild. Okay.
500
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.420
What about the death of Pan? Where does that tie
501
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.059
in to this as well?
502
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:56.400
Oh, the death of Pan. What did he say? Well,
503
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:02.849
Pan is just the, that was just the temple that's
504
00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:04.289
at the base of Mount Hermon.
505
00:38:04.309 --> 00:38:04.530
Yes.
506
00:38:05.550 --> 00:38:09.070
There was, who was it that was yelling, you know,
507
00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:11.710
the Pan, the God is dead, Pan is dead.
508
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.159
Oh, in the Bible?
509
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:23.000
No, uh, it's, uh, this is, I'm trying to remember. Um,
510
00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:27.769
it's in the, I think Thammas, Thammas, uh, was traveling
511
00:38:27.849 --> 00:38:28.489
near the Greek.
512
00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:30.409
You're right.
513
00:38:30.750 --> 00:38:35.349
And he heard a voice call out to him and says, Thammas, Thammas, Thammas, the, the,
514
00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:38.780
the great pan is dead. And, you know, I wanted
515
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:41.360
to know if you had any opinion on what that
516
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.659
actually ties into this. And, what that means then the
517
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:45.610
death of pan.
518
00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:49.739
Yeah no i don't i i haven't really i haven't
519
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.360
really looked into that but that's uh that's something you
520
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:55.260
just opened up a rabbit.
521
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.579
Hole a rabbit hole to go down okay.
522
00:38:57.190 --> 00:38:59.989
Because that's the that is okay it was uh plutarch
523
00:39:02.289 --> 00:39:05.710
um i'm trying to see if i have any notes
524
00:39:05.789 --> 00:39:06.630
on that at all no.
525
00:39:07.300 --> 00:39:11.010
No worries no worries yeah we can we can take
526
00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:16.320
that on next session. What about, so you talked about
527
00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:22.260
the Elohim, okay? And we do know that El means God, right?
528
00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:27.010
Lowercase g, it means God. What is your take on,
529
00:39:27.449 --> 00:39:29.269
and this is a question I just asked Cody, what
530
00:39:29.309 --> 00:39:35.260
is your take your take on Jor-El and Kal-El?
531
00:39:36.019 --> 00:39:42.670
Yeah, so like linking that into Superman? I mean, I
532
00:39:43.170 --> 00:39:51.159
think it's... Gary makes those... Connections as well. And I
533
00:39:51.219 --> 00:39:55.909
think it's just kind of like the idea of using
534
00:39:55.929 --> 00:40:07.250
the old school... like, denotion of El meaning God, right,
535
00:40:07.449 --> 00:40:13.300
or divine being, right, and putting it on a modern
536
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.079
twist on it, right, that's what I think, I don't
537
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.099
know if there's anything more to it than that, really,
538
00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:26.960
but I mean, Elohim is a hebrew word right it's
539
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:33.389
old testament um for god's god um divine spiritual beings
540
00:40:33.969 --> 00:40:38.030
you know depending on the context so it that's that's
541
00:40:38.050 --> 00:40:40.670
the one thing with like ancient hebrew especially is that
542
00:40:40.829 --> 00:40:44.010
a word can mean so many different things it's defined
543
00:40:44.030 --> 00:40:46.929
by the context around it right so.
544
00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:49.929
I agree with that because it really it really matters
545
00:40:50.349 --> 00:40:54.019
the the context matters completely with yeah because uh I
546
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.320
know that personally, it's very important.
547
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:57.179
Right.
548
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:02.179
Absolutely. But, um, so when it comes to that, I
549
00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:05.849
think it's interesting and I think it's like, it makes
550
00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:09.690
me say that the, the folks that wrote all that
551
00:41:09.750 --> 00:41:13.429
stuff know how to pull strings.
552
00:41:14.309 --> 00:41:14.610
Right.
553
00:41:15.789 --> 00:41:18.989
And it's, it's very interesting at the very least.
554
00:41:19.010 --> 00:41:22.340
They knew what they were writing. It wasn't like, serendipitous
555
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.820
that they did this they right okay we know that
556
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.190
l is ties in with god and you know let's
557
00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:32.570
let's continue with that it wasn't that they were referencing
558
00:41:32.929 --> 00:41:35.989
um that they well they are referencing that they are
559
00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:38.670
godlike yeah but yeah.
560
00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:43.260
It's interesting yeah yeah definitely.
561
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.460
I want to jump back to your book okay is
562
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.000
uh your book the subtitle on it says you know
563
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:53.400
that they they still walk among us.
564
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.780
Right. Well, it says certain things too.
565
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:57.320
Right.
566
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.260
And that's, and that's kind of what we were talking
567
00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:03.329
about with like dog man and Sasquatch. And then, but
568
00:42:03.369 --> 00:42:04.829
there's other things too.
569
00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:05.190
Right.
570
00:42:05.369 --> 00:42:10.070
Like that, that go forward when we talk about what
571
00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:11.409
you brought up Elohim.
572
00:42:11.489 --> 00:42:11.730
Right.
573
00:42:12.789 --> 00:42:17.710
So we talk about other traditions throughout the world. And
574
00:42:17.869 --> 00:42:21.210
one of which is like all these traditions of hidden people,
575
00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:29.360
the Fae and all these things like the Tawatha de
576
00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:36.829
Dunan in Ireland specifically right and all these different the
577
00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:45.309
the Malaysians but either way they talk about all these
578
00:42:45.449 --> 00:42:58.610
different entities, right? And notice that this pattern, again, it's
579
00:42:58.650 --> 00:43:03.239
kind of universal. You've got things like the Tuatha Dé
580
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:08.860
Danann in Irish tradition, right? Agrees with that. You've got
581
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:14.820
the Norris had the Alfar in Norse mythology, the Huldufolk
582
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:23.079
in Iceland, little people across Native American traditions. The Menehuen
583
00:43:23.659 --> 00:43:29.380
in Hawaii, the Maori had their own versions, right? So
584
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:35.159
across the world. In every case, the story is that
585
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:39.690
these beings, they existed, maybe they died out, but there's
586
00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:44.429
still stories of them now. And they're still visible, like
587
00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:48.969
sightings rise all the time. So it's like, what are
588
00:43:49.030 --> 00:43:53.489
these things, right? I think is what we, we run into.
589
00:43:53.710 --> 00:43:58.469
And we've also, I'll bring it back to Sasquatch. You
590
00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:03.380
have a pretty, a pretty, it's been used a million
591
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:09.280
times on podcasts, but, and it's not just this incident.
592
00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:14.480
There's others that I've heard stories of that claim the
593
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:21.260
same thing of mind speak with Sasquatch. And, One of
594
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.840
the things that's been said on more than one occasion
595
00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:29.070
is people ask who they are, right? And there's a
596
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.590
story on the Bump podcast, which is Bo Kennedy. I
597
00:44:33.630 --> 00:44:37.130
don't know if you've ever talked to Bo. And he
598
00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:43.730
talks about how the Sasquatch describes itself as an Eliud. Now,
599
00:44:44.110 --> 00:44:48.170
an Eliud is like another classification of like the kind
600
00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:51.800
of like the offspring of Nephilim. right? So like a
601
00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:00.280
next generation of hybrid, right? And this Sasquatch said it
602
00:45:00.340 --> 00:45:04.599
was an Eliud in search of redemption. That's how it
603
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:10.760
described itself. So I connect them, a lot of these
604
00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:16.900
things too, like the Eliud type tier, right? Multi-generational hybrid
605
00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:22.599
lines that still exist across the earth. you've got first
606
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.079
generation as the giants and giants are, are targets, right?
607
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.300
And the conquest handed the, basically they, they've been wiped out.
608
00:45:33.019 --> 00:45:35.659
Maybe not every single one. Cause you still have stories
609
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.969
of like the Kandahar giant and all of these different
610
00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:43.989
stories of giants that still go on, but the third
611
00:45:44.050 --> 00:45:50.429
and fourth generation, they're always smaller, better integrated, harder to identify.
612
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:54.940
things like that. So it kind of makes you understand, again,
613
00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:01.159
back to the DNA, what was a Neanderthal? What was
614
00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:08.489
a Desnovan? Technically, what were they? They're hominid creatures, right?
615
00:46:09.409 --> 00:46:12.809
But what's to say that there are some theories out
616
00:46:12.849 --> 00:46:23.309
there that they are the remnants of this blood, this Nephilim, Raphaim,
617
00:46:23.610 --> 00:46:29.230
whatever you want to call it, blood, right? Technically, most
618
00:46:29.269 --> 00:46:31.550
of us have a little in us. So what does
619
00:46:31.610 --> 00:46:36.559
that mean? It gets very confusing and it gets convoluted
620
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.659
and people, it gets so confusing that people are just like,
621
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:41.219
I don't want to know and I don't want to
622
00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:48.070
look at it because it becomes that overwhelming, right? So I, I,
623
00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:51.789
I'm firm believer that we are not at the bottom
624
00:46:51.829 --> 00:46:54.289
of this by any stretch of the imagination and I
625
00:46:54.369 --> 00:46:57.429
think that we really if we start really digging in
626
00:46:58.190 --> 00:47:06.980
and understanding that at one given moment allegedly if you
627
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:09.920
go by DNA and science they're saying there were six
628
00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:13.980
to seven different hominids living on the planet at the
629
00:47:14.019 --> 00:47:21.050
same time what are those right And where does that
630
00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:25.820
come from? And what, you know, it opens up so
631
00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:31.860
many questions. So when I say they're walking among us,
632
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.309
that could be it too. We could be it.
633
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.030
It literally could be all of that. Now, yeah, that
634
00:47:39.070 --> 00:47:43.619
brings up, A lot of questions, though I think it
635
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.360
points us in a direction much, you know, I think
636
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:48.739
we have a general direction to be traveling and be
637
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:52.599
looking at these things. Now, how do you think that
638
00:47:52.699 --> 00:47:55.289
they're able to stay hidden so well? Because, you know,
639
00:47:55.329 --> 00:47:59.849
you have, are they interdimensional? Is that what's happening? Or
640
00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:02.269
are they crossing over into space?
641
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:03.579
I don't know.
642
00:48:03.940 --> 00:48:06.809
I guess it is interdimensional is what I would believe.
643
00:48:07.309 --> 00:48:10.429
I think that there is a aspect of that for sure.
644
00:48:10.449 --> 00:48:13.469
I mean, the other side of this too that we
645
00:48:13.550 --> 00:48:16.150
haven't talked about and that we don't, a lot of
646
00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:20.059
people don't like to go into is what if this
647
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:27.780
is the enemy creating all this? Like that the deception
648
00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:31.969
was caused by The enemy. We can say Satan, we
649
00:48:32.010 --> 00:48:34.610
can say whatever, but technically we don't know his name.
650
00:48:35.309 --> 00:48:37.590
We don't. That's an important thing. That's something I was
651
00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:38.650
just kind of learning.
652
00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:40.449
So at the end of the day, when it comes
653
00:48:40.510 --> 00:48:50.289
down to it, is that he controls this domain, right?
654
00:48:50.909 --> 00:48:55.250
We might have dominion, but he controls the domain for now.
655
00:48:57.409 --> 00:48:59.449
And at the end of the day, there's a lot
656
00:48:59.489 --> 00:49:02.360
of really smart people that think he's building an army.
657
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.079
And that this is all part of that, that they're
658
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:13.239
doing underground, that that's part of like what alien stuff
659
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:18.190
to that. I mean, I've done episodes all connected. It's
660
00:49:18.250 --> 00:49:20.739
all connected. And the deeper you... you go in, the
661
00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:25.159
more it's overwhelming and it just gets, it's all connected.
662
00:49:25.460 --> 00:49:28.960
And like I've made an episode not that long ago
663
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:34.090
that was called Aliens Are Fae because they share so
664
00:49:34.179 --> 00:49:39.570
many similarities and it's just like everything's wrapped up for
665
00:49:39.590 --> 00:49:42.610
the next generation right and and they put a little
666
00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:47.489
bow on it and the trickster kind of elements and
667
00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:51.610
and all the things it's just so wild it's uh
668
00:49:51.860 --> 00:49:54.969
so much to try and go through in one episode
669
00:49:54.989 --> 00:49:59.000
just kind of you know it it really is difficult.
670
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.219
Um i am in the camp that a lot of
671
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:08.000
these are are evil I really do. I think they're
672
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.719
possibly created in that. I'm not saying that they all are.
673
00:50:11.739 --> 00:50:17.510
I think some of them have the capacity or the
674
00:50:17.550 --> 00:50:22.449
free will to choose otherwise. But nonetheless, you know, when
675
00:50:22.530 --> 00:50:25.949
everybody thinks, oh, there are friends, there are forest friends
676
00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:27.510
and whatnot.
677
00:50:27.550 --> 00:50:28.210
I don't think so.
678
00:50:28.630 --> 00:50:33.019
No, you guys need to back off and be careful. And,
679
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.349
you know, it's, it's convincing you that they're convincing you they're,
680
00:50:37.369 --> 00:50:38.489
they're friends, you know?
681
00:50:38.510 --> 00:50:39.250
Yeah.
682
00:50:39.989 --> 00:50:40.289
Yeah.
683
00:50:40.329 --> 00:50:41.010
Yeah.
684
00:50:41.050 --> 00:50:44.090
And they are not your friends. No, they are not.
685
00:50:44.349 --> 00:50:47.150
It's like one of those things, like I really, like
686
00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:49.610
when you really dig into all this stuff, it comes
687
00:50:49.710 --> 00:50:54.190
down to the fact that I really believe that, um,
688
00:50:57.550 --> 00:51:03.800
these are conversations that, uh, that we really have to
689
00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:07.789
have that no one is asking the questions. Right. And,
690
00:51:08.130 --> 00:51:12.510
and I, I think it's just because it's so damn uncomfortable,
691
00:51:13.090 --> 00:51:13.389
you know?
692
00:51:13.409 --> 00:51:19.429
Yeah. We get a lot of those questions all the time. Like, no, sorry.
693
00:51:19.449 --> 00:51:20.469
I don't want to say a lot of those questions.
694
00:51:20.489 --> 00:51:23.010
We get a lot of those statements all the time
695
00:51:23.050 --> 00:51:27.539
that there are forest friends, there are galactic family. They are,
696
00:51:28.059 --> 00:51:32.179
you know, I leave out things for them and I'm like,
697
00:51:33.309 --> 00:51:36.250
you are building a relationship and a bond or, or
698
00:51:36.369 --> 00:51:40.409
possibly even, you know, I'm talking with these, my guides
699
00:51:40.849 --> 00:51:44.989
as well. You know, everything is all the same. Everything
700
00:51:45.030 --> 00:51:48.960
is all connected. You know, when you're doing divination and
701
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:53.219
you have spirits talking to you, like it's, it's the
702
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.219
same thing. Oh, we have our forest friends and they
703
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.960
leave me gifts and I leave them gifts. And then
704
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.389
my galactic family is abducting me and, doing experiments but
705
00:52:03.409 --> 00:52:05.210
they love me and they tell me i'm chosen one
706
00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:10.409
and i'm the special one it's almost the same playbook
707
00:52:10.429 --> 00:52:12.469
a little bit different here and there a little bit of.
708
00:52:12.429 --> 00:52:15.849
Course of course but there's a lot of congruency.
709
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:19.539
There is a lot and i i feel that it's
710
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.579
uh one of the things i really want to say
711
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.599
and if anybody's listening who's getting upset by this well
712
00:52:26.619 --> 00:52:29.409
maybe this is maybe you need to hear this that
713
00:52:30.449 --> 00:52:34.440
we are not special but we're all special individually. We
714
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.519
are not special as a, as a whole, as a community,
715
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:44.230
we are special. So if you are the chosen one there,
716
00:52:44.449 --> 00:52:49.650
they are, you know, attacking or taking advantage of your
717
00:52:49.750 --> 00:52:55.119
insecurities and making you feel special. We're all special. Just,
718
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.099
just stay with that, you know, don't, don't be outside
719
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:06.599
looking for that external gratification, that external, um, uh, commendation,
720
00:53:06.699 --> 00:53:10.179
you know, it's, it's, it's not good. It's not good,
721
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:10.579
you know?
722
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.980
Yeah. Can I, can I read part of the book?
723
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.650
So it's kind of like a conclusion to an extent.
724
00:53:17.150 --> 00:53:19.329
It's not the conclusion, but it's one of the things
725
00:53:19.369 --> 00:53:22.610
that it's, I think what, It all comes down to,
726
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.789
we've had this conversation. It's been all over the place.
727
00:53:26.090 --> 00:53:29.969
It's the truth. Guys, this is very deep and it's
728
00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:36.429
very nuanced. But as Riot said earlier, it all rhymes.
729
00:53:37.289 --> 00:53:41.130
It all rhymes, okay? And what we're having here is
730
00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:48.119
like three conversations that have never met, really, right?
731
00:53:48.139 --> 00:53:50.440
I actually, sorry to interrupt you. I like that. We're
732
00:53:50.460 --> 00:53:53.250
having these it's not even just three conversations. We're having
733
00:53:53.269 --> 00:53:56.130
a lot of conversations that just have not met. It's
734
00:53:56.170 --> 00:54:00.639
not common for these conversations to meet. I agree with this. Like,
735
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.469
I think that's a great statement to make.
736
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.119
But yeah, there's three conversations happening simultaneously that have almost
737
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.760
never been in the same room. Right. And the first
738
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:16.599
is the conversation of the academy, the scientists, the archaeologists,
739
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:22.880
the geneticists, anthropologists and historians who have They have the data.
740
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:28.039
They have the anomalous genetic markers, the megalithic structures built
741
00:54:28.900 --> 00:54:33.159
with engineering that challenges modern explanation. Like, we can't build
742
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:41.179
them now, right? The universal mythology patterns that resist diffusion theory,
743
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.380
the biological samples from encounters with unknown creatures. We have
744
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:53.389
DNA evidence of multiple things, including Sasquatch. And you can
745
00:54:53.409 --> 00:54:58.250
dismiss it, but at your own peril. The verified astronomical
746
00:54:58.269 --> 00:55:04.480
alignments of pre-scientific cultures, the data is extraordinary, the data
747
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:09.199
points in a direction, and the academy, almost without exception,
748
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:15.570
refuses to follow it there, period. The second conversation is
749
00:55:15.909 --> 00:55:19.969
of the church. The theologians, the pastors, the biblical scholars,
750
00:55:20.030 --> 00:55:23.829
the ordinary believers, who have the framework. Michael Heiser spent
751
00:55:23.889 --> 00:55:28.269
a career documenting what the Hebrew Bible actually says about
752
00:55:28.289 --> 00:55:32.159
the divine council, the watcher figures, the Nephilim, the territorial
753
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.579
sons of God, the cosmic conflict behind the history of
754
00:55:36.739 --> 00:55:40.900
Israel and the nations. The framework is there. It is
755
00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:48.239
very rigorous, right? And it is textually grounded and it
756
00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:54.030
sits largely unused while Sunday school curricula continue to treat
757
00:55:54.090 --> 00:56:00.369
Genesis 6 as allegory and Deuteronomy 32 as political metaphor, right?
758
00:56:01.469 --> 00:56:05.119
And the third is the conversation of the anomalous researchers,
759
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:10.820
the cryptid investigators, the UFO researchers, the paranormal encounter witnesses
760
00:56:10.860 --> 00:56:14.300
who are trying to understand what is happening to them.
761
00:56:14.420 --> 00:56:18.059
And they have the testimony, they have the pattern recognition,
762
00:56:18.099 --> 00:56:22.269
they have the cultural evidence, cross-cultural comparisons and behavioral analysis,
763
00:56:22.730 --> 00:56:25.440
and they are working without a framework that makes sense
764
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.280
of why these beings behave as they do, why the
765
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:33.880
same categories appear in disconnected cultures, why some of them
766
00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:38.280
respond to spiritual authority, because that happens too, and some
767
00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:41.739
of them do not. This book is an attempt to
768
00:56:41.780 --> 00:56:48.030
bring those three conversations into the same room, essentially. So, yeah.
769
00:56:50.349 --> 00:56:54.530
That's why it's such a bomb going off, frankly, in
770
00:56:54.570 --> 00:56:57.840
your brain. It's like pulling a pin on a grenade
771
00:56:57.860 --> 00:56:59.320
and just throwing it in there.
772
00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:01.400
It's a little bit of a mess, our conversation.
773
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.760
It is. Some of it you can make sense of,
774
00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:06.780
but other parts of it, it's like, oh, but what about? Oh,
775
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:13.500
but what about? Oh, but what about? Because, man. So, sorry, everyone,
776
00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:17.349
but probably open more rabbit holes than we close.
777
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.389
But I think there is this big division like you're
778
00:57:21.429 --> 00:57:24.849
talking about. There is a big division and we are
779
00:57:25.050 --> 00:57:29.190
not coming together. Like they need these groups to all
780
00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:33.250
come together to have a discussion and to actually get
781
00:57:33.289 --> 00:57:34.190
to the bottom of this.
782
00:57:35.010 --> 00:57:36.989
And I'm telling you that I don't think the enemy
783
00:57:37.050 --> 00:57:42.280
wants that because that answers questions. That explains a lot
784
00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:45.710
of things. And I mean, we'll go straight biblical on it.
785
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:48.079
I think at the end of the day, He is
786
00:57:48.139 --> 00:57:53.400
pulling the strings of this entire deception, as L.A. Marzullo
787
00:57:53.420 --> 00:58:00.110
called the great deception, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Because why wouldn't he?
788
00:58:02.829 --> 00:58:06.070
And the more confusing it can be, the better off
789
00:58:06.130 --> 00:58:10.250
it all is for them, for the enemy. And then
790
00:58:10.269 --> 00:58:14.489
they have us fighting each other as well. So if
791
00:58:14.530 --> 00:58:16.239
we can't unify, how can we win?
792
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.460
Yeah, that is one of the biggest keys is what
793
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:23.179
they do is they continue having us at each other's throats,
794
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:28.750
you know, constantly. We fight over politics. We fight over
795
00:58:29.250 --> 00:58:34.739
these stupid things. We fight over... You know the movie Braveheart, right?
796
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.199
My basketball game is better than yours.
797
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.320
You know the movie Braveheart, though, right?
798
00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:38.949
Yeah.
799
00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:43.750
And where Longshanks, where William Wallace says, you guys are
800
00:58:43.809 --> 00:58:49.570
fighting over the scraps from Longshanks' table. Whenever I hear
801
00:58:49.610 --> 00:58:52.070
somebody say what you just said, it's exactly what I
802
00:58:52.110 --> 00:58:55.119
think of, is they have us fighting over the scraps
803
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:58.000
of all this stuff and just trying to get our
804
00:58:58.820 --> 00:59:05.820
bone and to make a living doing whatever. It's all
805
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.989
kind of awful. It is. It is. Yeah. Keep it.
806
00:59:10.110 --> 00:59:10.840
All separated.
807
00:59:11.260 --> 00:59:13.800
Yep. And bread and circus. And you can use all
808
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:14.960
the analogies you want.
809
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:15.400
Right.
810
00:59:15.659 --> 00:59:21.500
But whenever, and I've said this for how long, is
811
00:59:21.579 --> 00:59:25.239
that whenever there's actually a good movement to move towards something,
812
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:29.489
it is infiltrated and perverted and and taken away from
813
00:59:29.570 --> 00:59:32.550
the directive that it needs to be going into, you know,
814
00:59:32.590 --> 00:59:35.389
bring people together. It's, it's taken in a way that
815
00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:40.699
it makes it so outrageous, so crazy, but people get
816
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.179
so stuck to an ideal. So stuck to a, what
817
00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:48.239
they want things to be to a fantasy that they
818
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:50.940
will not be willing to step back and take a
819
00:59:50.980 --> 00:59:54.650
look at it. You know, whether it's your political figure
820
00:59:54.670 --> 00:59:58.329
that you're following, you know, I, I, People will follow
821
00:59:58.409 --> 01:00:01.250
that person off a cliff because that's where they said
822
01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:04.769
to go without actually having a question. And that goes
823
01:00:04.809 --> 01:00:09.300
for everything and anything. They just jump. Yep, yep. This
824
01:00:09.699 --> 01:00:12.719
is my belief and I'm so tied into it and
825
01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:15.980
so ingrained with it and so invested that I can't
826
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:19.099
just take a step back and have a look at everything.
827
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:25.030
And yeah, so we are all divided. We're in... We're
828
01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:28.010
back to the 70 nations again, just all being divided.
829
01:00:28.030 --> 01:00:30.550
Yeah, all speaking a different language.
830
01:00:30.769 --> 01:00:34.690
All speaking a different language. Yeah, it's crazy like that.
831
01:00:35.949 --> 01:00:38.110
Before we wrap this up here, Bennett, I do want
832
01:00:38.130 --> 01:00:40.559
to go back to the ziggurats. When we're talking about
833
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:47.739
these portals of sorts, do you think that the portals
834
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:55.099
that they constructed, the pyramids, were they local portals? Or
835
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.820
do you think they were interdimensional? Like we could, okay,
836
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.260
I'm going to transfer from, you know, let's say I'm
837
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.030
going to go from Africa to South America. Bam, I'm there.
838
01:01:05.230 --> 01:01:08.269
Or were they able to hit an area for a
839
01:01:08.329 --> 01:01:13.610
divine council or other areas? Like I'm very interested in
840
01:01:13.789 --> 01:01:19.190
that because it's got me thinking that there is, it's
841
01:01:19.230 --> 01:01:20.829
got me thinking of an episode that I do want
842
01:01:20.869 --> 01:01:22.250
to do about portals coming up here.
843
01:01:22.389 --> 01:01:31.389
Yeah, so I don't, It's hard to say because there
844
01:01:31.469 --> 01:01:38.440
is evidence of just obviously angelic beings, right? Being able
845
01:01:38.500 --> 01:01:47.940
to traverse from earth to heaven, right? And we see
846
01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:52.360
that multiple times. Actually, we see it a lot with
847
01:01:52.480 --> 01:02:01.159
Satan in the Bible. where he, at the, at the court,
848
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.119
some of the courtroom scenes in Job, where Satan, like,
849
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.199
he's asked, where have you been? And he's been saying,
850
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:13.929
I've been to and fro wandering across Earth, something along
851
01:02:13.989 --> 01:02:19.389
those lines, right? And, like, so you wonder, do they
852
01:02:19.510 --> 01:02:25.110
have the ability to do that or do they need
853
01:02:26.829 --> 01:02:29.429
something like a ziggurat portal to do that?
854
01:02:29.909 --> 01:02:30.130
Right.
855
01:02:31.170 --> 01:02:33.150
That's one of the things that I've always thought of.
856
01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:36.289
It's like, where do we still have these things? Do
857
01:02:36.309 --> 01:02:43.019
we still, uh, have these spots, these thin spots or
858
01:02:43.059 --> 01:02:45.320
whatever you want to call them on the earth as
859
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:46.500
we speak. Right.
860
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:53.170
Um, Yeah, I believe that they needed these devices to go.
861
01:02:53.809 --> 01:02:56.650
I also have heard and talked to other people that
862
01:02:56.750 --> 01:03:04.380
there are certain angelic or even demonic beings in a
863
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:12.559
certain hierarchy that can create portals between places, right? I
864
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:14.739
have not gone into portals as much as I would
865
01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:17.420
like because I do agree with.
866
01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:20.960
You're talking about... angelic beings, you know, we go into
867
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.920
Norse mythology, we go to Heimdall, who could create the
868
01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:24.980
Rainbow Bridge, you know?
869
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:30.519
Correct. That type of thing, but Heimdall lived and existed
870
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:31.480
in one spot.
871
01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:32.099
Yeah.
872
01:03:32.940 --> 01:03:34.900
He was able to connect, he was able to bring
873
01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:39.320
people to him. He could bring anybody there. But he
874
01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:41.889
was still in that one spot. He could bring you there,
875
01:03:41.949 --> 01:03:46.889
but he could send you anywhere, right? Isn't that the idea? So,
876
01:03:47.190 --> 01:03:53.170
what if... you had some sort of, it could be,
877
01:03:53.190 --> 01:03:56.989
I mean, it's a theory that I've run with, is
878
01:03:57.030 --> 01:04:02.219
that you had this certain type of angelic being that
879
01:04:02.300 --> 01:04:06.880
could do that. Kind of like him, right? And they
880
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:11.900
were kind of, it's not necessarily, they're the portal. They
881
01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:14.559
have the ability to open and close those portals.
882
01:04:15.889 --> 01:04:18.530
So perhaps they were the ones that stayed on the
883
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:19.800
locations of the ziggurats.
884
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.059
Maybe, maybe.
885
01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:24.079
Because this is your job, such as, you know, the
886
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:25.659
dog headed. Correct.
887
01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:26.480
Correct.
888
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:29.199
To take you. Maybe that was another one that that
889
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.659
would take you to the underworld. And we need one
890
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.280
to take you to the upper world as well. And
891
01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:36.949
then maybe there was one specifically to take you linearly
892
01:04:37.630 --> 01:04:40.469
across the earth. Maybe there is something along that line
893
01:04:40.510 --> 01:04:41.829
that maybe there is.
894
01:04:42.030 --> 01:04:44.650
Yeah. Yeah. So so maybe.
895
01:04:45.130 --> 01:04:45.289
Yeah.
896
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:47.119
It's all conjecture.
897
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:48.719
But I love it.
898
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.110
Does that answer your question? I mean, does that kind of,
899
01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:51.659
you know?
900
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:53.480
A little bit, yeah. A little bit, yeah. I think
901
01:04:53.500 --> 01:04:56.429
we're just kind of throwing out some ideas and things
902
01:04:56.449 --> 01:04:56.969
to talk about.
903
01:04:57.010 --> 01:05:00.909
I think, because otherwise, I haven't done, you know, has
904
01:05:00.969 --> 01:05:03.630
Brad ever talked about cigarettes on your?
905
01:05:04.190 --> 01:05:07.469
No, he hasn't talked about cigarettes. He talks about portals, though.
906
01:05:07.510 --> 01:05:08.380
He does talk about portals.
907
01:05:08.389 --> 01:05:11.400
He does talk about portals quite a bit. So, but
908
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:14.940
I think that's fascinating. So, it's one of those things like,
909
01:05:15.670 --> 01:05:19.449
I'll get there. I just have a lot of stuff.
910
01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:21.579
You got a lot of stuff to go through first
911
01:05:21.619 --> 01:05:22.400
before you get there.
912
01:05:22.420 --> 01:05:27.039
Man, dude, I got lists on lists, right, of stuff
913
01:05:27.059 --> 01:05:27.659
to crash.
914
01:05:28.179 --> 01:05:33.530
This is what I'm going to go into. Water in portals, okay?
915
01:05:33.889 --> 01:05:35.929
And I want to tie into pop culture with it
916
01:05:36.030 --> 01:05:39.190
as well, with the portals. Because if you talk about
917
01:05:39.230 --> 01:05:42.510
like Constantine, Constantine used water to traverse, right?
918
01:05:43.010 --> 01:05:43.849
Yes.
919
01:05:43.969 --> 01:05:47.849
There was, who else? I think Stargate, you know, they
920
01:05:47.869 --> 01:05:48.570
have the Stargate.
921
01:05:48.809 --> 01:05:51.050
Stargate, yeah, all of those things, right.
922
01:05:51.090 --> 01:05:55.380
That was like this water type of portal. Pacific Rim,
923
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.820
you know, they came through this fissure in the oceans
924
01:05:59.980 --> 01:06:00.519
as well.
925
01:06:01.059 --> 01:06:05.059
Well, all the kaiju from the Japanese stuff, most of
926
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.579
them come from the sea as well. I mean, man,
927
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.940
there's a whole, we didn't even really talk about, the,
928
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:20.030
the idea of like the, the waterborne, uh, entities, right.
929
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:26.289
Like Leviathan and Tiamat and, uh, like mer people and
930
01:06:27.110 --> 01:06:29.949
that we didn't even open that up in.
931
01:06:29.909 --> 01:06:32.190
This episode, but next episode then, right.
932
01:06:32.550 --> 01:06:36.489
Yeah. Like just the, what I like to call the deep, right.
933
01:06:36.750 --> 01:06:37.389
Yeah. Yeah.
934
01:06:37.449 --> 01:06:39.070
And, uh, like the, the water.
935
01:06:39.750 --> 01:06:42.070
Here's another thing so you know pirates of the caribbean
936
01:06:42.090 --> 01:06:44.710
at world's end and then you have stranger tides again
937
01:06:44.750 --> 01:06:47.389
they're talking about that so you're when you're talking about
938
01:06:47.409 --> 01:06:49.389
yeah it's yeah i mean.
939
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Because they're and there's a defining line there's two halves
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to the water like you know between the the deep
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uh you know yeah and that's a whole it is
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it's really um That's huge, and, you know, the entire
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water world, is what we'll call it, right, is a
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whole nother wild thing.
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We have the sirens, you know, the mermaids.
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Mermaids, behemoth, leviathan. Yeah, because they're not what you would
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call Therion either, so, yeah. they're not what you would
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call Therion either. Like you have Therion in the Bible,
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which is like the beasts of the, it's what like
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the Therion are unleashed on the world, right? In Revelation.
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And so, and I supposed to take out something like
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a quarter of the population, right? The beasts of the earth.
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So yeah, that's a whole nother, it just gets so deep, man.
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It does. It does. Bennett, is there anything else we
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want to touch on from your book before we?
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I don't think I think we're so. Flustered at this
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point when it comes to, you know, in the audience
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01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:20.579
is like, oh, my God.
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01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:25.819
I think it's interesting. I find this conversation so fascinating.
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Right. So but I think I think from my book,
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I think we've touched on it, you know.
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And what does, okay, so what is the name of
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01:08:37.350 --> 01:08:39.810
your book and what, and kind of give it a big,
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a brief synopsis. So, you know, anybody who's listening or watching,
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this is where, this is the book that we're kind
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of been talking about off and on through this whole
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conversation and where they can find it as well, Ben.
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Yeah. So it's called The Second Incursion, Fallen Beings, Giants,
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and What Walks Among Us Still. And it does, it
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does go through the first talks about Genesis 6 and
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what happened there. And then in the Enochic tradition, right?
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And that adds a whole layer of, you know, madness.
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But then how did we have giants before the flood
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and after and then it goes into the fact that
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there was more than just giants before and after that
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they also that the Bible touches on the fact that
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there was corruption of all things not just humans but
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the corruption of animals and everything else so that kind
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of opens up the floodgates to the you know other
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01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:51.720
things and what still may walk among us touches on
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the dna evidence that we talked about with maybe neanderthal
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01:09:55.430 --> 01:09:58.810
and some things and like what does that mean um
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01:09:59.729 --> 01:10:02.109
but that's a whole nother book that i have lined
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up too so wow but yes that's that's essentially what
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01:10:06.949 --> 01:10:11.239
this book is about You can find it on Amazon.
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You can go to BennettTantonBooks.com or there's links through BroadcastingSeeds.com
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as well.
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There we go. Bennett, I want to say thank you
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so much for coming on today. I just love these conversations.
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I really do.
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I appreciate it.
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01:10:27.909 --> 01:10:32.649
I am taking stuff away from it every time. It's like, okay,
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01:10:32.689 --> 01:10:35.989
add that, add that. You said that it adds more questions,
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but I think for me it clarifies a lot. Maybe
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01:10:38.649 --> 01:10:41.369
not necessarily. I mean, I think, I think it does both.
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01:10:41.750 --> 01:10:45.210
Right. There might be some clarifying, but it's also like,
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Oh wait, wait, what did he say there? You know? Yeah.
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Cause it's hard to, I understand why Gary Wayne has
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01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:56.920
issues when he, like you could literally have 10 conversations
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01:10:56.939 --> 01:11:00.300
with him and each one's totally different. So I get it.
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01:11:00.380 --> 01:11:03.180
And I'm only a fraction. I'm not comparing myself to
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01:11:03.220 --> 01:11:06.430
that man. Trust me. But I am saying that I
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01:11:06.590 --> 01:11:07.310
understand it.
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01:11:07.710 --> 01:11:08.050
Yeah. Wow.
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01:11:08.909 --> 01:11:09.569
It's just a lot.
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I know my first conversation with Gary, I was I'll
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01:11:12.930 --> 01:11:14.720
be honest, I was a little lost. I'm like, where
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01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.060
do we go from here? You know, and it's and
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01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:19.479
but the more the longer I do this, the more
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01:11:19.579 --> 01:11:22.060
understanding I'm walking away with. And it's because of people
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01:11:22.100 --> 01:11:25.060
like you and Gary that helped that and clarified these things.
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01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.819
So thank you again, Bennett. I really appreciate that.
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01:11:28.220 --> 01:11:33.359
Absolutely, man. Anytime. And can't wait to have you back
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01:11:33.460 --> 01:11:33.939
on my show.
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01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:40.029
Definitely. Definitely. Looking forward to it. All right, everyone. Bennett
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01:11:40.449 --> 01:11:46.350
from Broadcasting Seeds. Bringing a lot of information and helping
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01:11:46.409 --> 01:11:49.239
us clarify a lot of things. But we were a
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01:11:49.460 --> 01:11:52.899
little bit all over. I don't mind that. I like that.
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01:11:53.539 --> 01:11:56.319
I think it really complements my previous interview with Cody
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01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:59.810
as well. And I'd love to hear what you guys
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01:12:00.010 --> 01:12:02.909
think on that. Do you guys have any information, any insights,
1022
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any questions that you need answered, you want answered as well.
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01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:09.579
Perhaps I can bring it up in the next conversation
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that I have with whether it be Bennett or someone else,
1025
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:18.659
maybe even Gary Wayne. Yeah, I enjoyed this. And I
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01:12:18.699 --> 01:12:21.529
hope you guys did too. So until next time, everyone,
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01:12:21.890 --> 01:12:25.970
keep your curiosity wandering, keep the light lit, and always
1028
01:12:26.489 --> 01:12:27.210
find your way home.
1029
01:12:38.260 --> 01:12:41.460
Beneath the stars where shadows grow.
1030
01:12:42.619 --> 01:12:49.079
The Nephilim's echoes whisper low Bigfoot roams through the forest
1031
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:54.380
deep And Dogman prowls where the brave won't sleep.
1032
01:12:55.779 --> 01:13:01.350
Across lost history we wonder why Seeking the truth that
1033
01:13:01.430 --> 01:13:03.710
time tried to hide.
1034
01:13:04.409 --> 01:13:06.270
Keep your curiosities.
1035
01:13:05.510 --> 01:13:06.909
Wandering and the light lit.
1036
01:13:07.149 --> 01:13:10.619
Through the darkness, don't ever quit. In the codex, the
1037
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:11.760
mystery's coming.
1038
01:13:11.979 --> 01:13:23.739
Always find your way back home. UFOs streak through the
1039
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:29.000
velvet skies. Aliens watch with unblinking eyes.
1040
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.239
The paranormal homes where silence breaks.
1041
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.449
In the void of secrets, a lantern wakes. Through hidden realms,
1042
01:13:40.529 --> 01:13:45.270
a story is untold. The cold gas flame is a
1043
01:13:45.350 --> 01:13:46.470
light to hold.
1044
01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:51.579
Keep your curiosities wandering in the light lit. Through the darkness,
1045
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:55.460
don't ever quit. In the codex, the mystery's coming up.
1046
01:14:05.890 --> 01:14:11.289
UFO streak through the velvet skies Aliens watch.
1047
01:14:11.010 --> 01:14:17.390
With unblinking eyes The paranormal homes where silence breaks.
1048
01:14:18.649 --> 01:14:21.569
In the void of secrets a lantern wakes.
1049
01:14:22.909 --> 01:14:26.619
Through hidden realms and stories untold.
1050
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:31.949
The Kogast flame is a light to hold Keep your
1051
01:14:31.970 --> 01:14:35.550
curiosities wandering in the light lit. Through the darkness, don't
1052
01:14:35.590 --> 01:14:36.130
ever quit.
1053
01:14:36.649 --> 01:14:40.409
In the Codex, the mystery's coming. Always find your way
1054
01:14:40.449 --> 01:14:49.079
back home.
1055
01:14:49.220 --> 01:14:54.840
Legends rise from the Earth's deep core. A lost legacy
1056
01:14:54.899 --> 01:14:56.119
we can't ignore.
1057
01:14:57.869 --> 01:14:59.010
With every step.
1058
01:14:59.250 --> 01:15:03.829
The veil grows thin Revealing worlds where.
1059
01:15:03.630 --> 01:15:08.689
The strange begins Keep your curiosities wandering.
1060
01:15:08.270 --> 01:15:11.060
In the light lit Through the darkness, don't ever quit
1061
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:14.060
In the codex, the mysteries come.
1062
01:15:13.819 --> 01:15:17.699
And always find your way back home Giant cryptids that
1063
01:15:17.779 --> 01:15:22.399
call Aliens, histories will uncover.
1064
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:22.680
It all.
1065
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:29.520
Together we'll always find
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01:15:29.619 --> 01:15:30.720
Our way home.