Filip Hrgovic Dramatic Reversal KO of Moses Itauma + Chantelle Cameron Wins And Fight News | Fight Freaks Unite Recap

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Well, a funny thing happened on the way to Moses
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Itama being the next Mike Tyson for Muhammad Ali.
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You gotta win the fight.
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And not only that, he got knocked out.
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And that's why we love the sport of boxing. So,
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welcome in.
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It is the Fight Freaks Unite Recap Podcast. I am
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the somewhat capable host, TJ Reeves. Hello to insider Dan Rayfield,
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the purveyor of the Fight Freaks Unite sub stack and newsletter.
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Thank you for being with us on the pod feed.
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Big Dan, how are you feeling? Hopefully better than Moses Itama.
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Some 36 hours or so after what we saw in
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the ring on Saturday in London as you and I
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do this podcast.
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Things are good. Things are all right.
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I still have a toothache.
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You were complaining about that before the show, but it
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doesn't affect your ability to talk.
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Well, it did a little bit.
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And you're not any surlier than usual, I will say.
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I'm a little on drugs right now.
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Okay, well, that's good. It mellows you out sometimes to
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have some of that.
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I'm waiting to hear back from the dentist. Hopefully I
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can see the dentist on Monday.
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That would be a good thing.
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And if you're like the rest of America for the
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amount of money that we pay for medical and dental insurance,
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the dentist should be able to see you in a fairly.
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Timely fashion and not say, yeah, we'll get to you
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in October.
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I should hope so.
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Thank you for finding us on the pod feed.
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I can only imagine what Atama and Hergevich feel like
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after they got hit in the mouth as much as
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they did.
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That helps.
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We are concluding yet another month, the eighth month of
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the year. And thank you to the audience. But the
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five-star reviews do help. Find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube
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page as well for other content. By the way, most
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recently on the pod feed, it'll be up on the
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YouTube page, is your interview one-on-one with Katie Taylor, who
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fights the historic fight in Dublin, Ireland, coming up in
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front of 80,000 fans. And what she says is her farewell.
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Hear her talk all about it. Excellent interview. Prop you,
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Big Dan, for that. You hear it on the pod
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feed most recently. I put it up as a standalone.
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It'll be on the YouTube page coming up. So with
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all of that out of the way, let me say
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off the top, you and I left this podcast feed
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like everybody else believing Moses Itama is going to win.
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And truthfully, I believed he was going to win somewhere around,
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and say this, somewhere around the middle rounds. That he
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was going to get to him, wear him down, maybe
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knock him down, stop him, etc.
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So I'm not going to sit here and say.
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that I believe Filip Hergovich was going to win the fight. However,
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I did say to you two key questions. What happens
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when Itama gets hit? And what about the big moment
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and everything that's going on? How does he handle it?
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Etc.
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And you throw into the stew pot, as I like
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to say, the man not only with an iron chin,
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but Filip Hergovich, apparently with a battleship chin, in this
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fight with Itama. He took everything, Dan, and had something
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left when Itama did not, and he gets the win.
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A stunner, especially when we thought this was a coronation,
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as you wrote on your substack in the lead.
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It was supposed to be a coronation.
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Somebody forgot to tell the Croatian about the coronation.
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Your thoughts. The floor is yours.
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Listen, it was a dramatic turn of events, of course.
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in terms of going into the fight, I like basically
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everybody else thought that Atama would win. But I was
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talking to somebody who texted me today, as a matter
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of fact, a boxing person, and, you know, talking about
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the fight, how good it was and this and that,
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and reminded that person that I had said to them
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in a text a couple of days earlier, that, oh,
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by the way, if Atama is going to somehow wash
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out and lose this fight, and if Hergovich is going
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to win this fight, it's probably going to play out
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like this. And the way I described it was exactly
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what happened. Hergovich takes everything he's got, brings him into
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the second half of the fight. Atama is throwing a
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million punches to try and get him out of there.
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Probably landed a ton of them. And he looks up
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and he realizes I'm in like round seven or eight
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or whatever. And the dude's still fucking standing. Like, oh
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my goodness. Meanwhile, Hergovich is, you know, he's been beaten
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up a bit, but he's still got his wits about him.
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He's still got his power. He's still got his heart
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and his chin and his balls. And all of a
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sudden the other guy is like, you know, expended so
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much energy getting to that point. that if it was
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going to go the way it went, it was going
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to be exactly this plan. Hergovich is going to have
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to survive some extreme moments, going to get through some very,
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very violent moments, going to get to the second half
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of the fight, maybe a little deeper. And he's going to,
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you know, it's the oldest cliche in boxing. When the
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veteran talks about what they want to do to the
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younger fighter, take this young man into deep water and
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drown him. That is exactly what happened. And there was
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nobody there to throw him a life raft. And, you know,
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this was, you mentioned about the question that we had,
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a huge question was, What kind of chin does Moses
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Itama have? I actually think he showed he's got actually
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one hell of a chin because even though he was
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the dominating figure in this fight, landing way more punches,
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throwing way more punches, and just basically hitting him with
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body punches, with hooks, with big jabs, all through the
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fight repeatedly.
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Hit him with everything.
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The whole fight. Repeatedly. But Hergovich landed some very heavy-duty
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shots also. He landed a couple of big right-hand shots.
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right on the button. He landed some very, very solid
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punches and Atama took them. The knockout did not happen
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because Atama didn't have the beard to stand up to
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these big punches. The knockout happened was because he expended
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so much energy that he could barely get off the
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stool after the eighth round to go out of the
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ring to the ninth round. And once he got out there,
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it's like his gas tank went from maybe like a
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third full to zero in about 10 seconds. And he
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just had absolutely nothing left. It was like a remarkable thing.
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It's Or they show the gas tank dropping from full
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to empty. That's what I feel like I was watching.
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He just had nothing left. And what gave me pause
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about it was because after the fact, I saw an
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interview clip on one of the social media platforms where
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he had been asked about sparring and preparing for the fight.
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And he was asked about if you haven't done a
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12-round sparring session. He's like, I don't think I have. Now,
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if that's true, I feel like that's a dereliction of duty.
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I mean, most of the time I've heard plenty of
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fighters and I think maybe some are exaggerating, but some
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definitely are not where they're preparing for a 12 round
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fight of consequence. And they'll do, you know, 15 rounds
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and they'll do four minute rounds with like a 30
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second rest period, you know, just so they're prepared. If
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you're going to go into this type of fighting, you've
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not done a 12 round sparring session. You know, that,
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that tells me that your, your game plan, your training
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game plan, your team just, they did you a disservice
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by not having you go those rounds. And by the way,
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finding a fighter to sort of simulate a Hergovich is
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not that hard because, and I don't mean this in
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a bad way whatsoever, he's extremely basic. It's a jab
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and a right hand and a couple of hooks. It's
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a lot harder for Hergovich to simulate somebody with the
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speed and the power of a Tama. So for him
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not to do those rounds in the gym is just
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mind-boggling to me. I think they really need to reassess
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everything about the camp then because, honestly, for a 21-year-old guy,
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you know, He looked a little soft around the middle,
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to be honest with you. Hergovich was in the best
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condition he'd ever been in. He was the lightest he'd
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been since 2019. He was 236. He looked it. And
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he took this really seriously. Abel Sanchez, his trainer, who's
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been on the Hall of Fame ballot for several years,
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needs to get a look from a lot more people
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because that was his 20th world champion, I believe. And
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Abel has been a great trainer for a long time. Remember,
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Abel had been retired recently. Philip Hergavitz sought him out
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and Abel was like, okay, I'll help you. Abel really
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hadn't been doing much pretty much since he split with
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Triple G a number of years ago. This is a
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great coda, if you will, to his career to bring
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this man to a heavyweight title. Had him in awesome condition.
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His mind was right. And I think he knew going
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into this fight, I have to take a tremendous amount
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of punishment and get him into the second half of
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the fight. And then I can really kind of takeover.
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He said it so much in his post-fight interview.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's pretty much, TJ, exactly what happened.
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So one of the things we talked about, you mentioned this,
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that in the Thursday press conference, that Itama was almost
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alluding to that he maybe wasn't in the best shape
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and the best mental framework. And I said to you
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on that previous pod about 72 hours ago, why are
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you admitting that before the fight? Even if it is true,
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why are you putting it out there? You're almost emboldening...
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the opponent that, hey, he's saying he's not in very
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good shape. Let's get this thing into the back half
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of the fight because that's where we will win it.
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He will have nothing left if I can survive. So
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that part was interesting. So we have so many layers.
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Remember also, TJ, before you go there, it was at
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that press conference where he talked about how it's not
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that big of a deal to have a great chin.
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And after the fight was over, Hergovic kind of mocked
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him by saying, I think it's important to have a
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good chin. And the reason, of course, was because He
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took a lot of those big punches.
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Let me ask you, is it important to have a
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good chin? And he was right on that.
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So let's go at it like this because we could
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sit here for an hour on this fight, but I
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think these are really good things and this is what
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people want to hear and want to talk about. So
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when the fight began and Itama was peppering him and.
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Bashing him with punches.
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I mean, it's easy to say now, oh, I thought
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Herkovich would take those punches. What was your reaction in
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the first round and even into the beginning of the
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second round when he had him on the ground? Did
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you think, this is quick night, here we go, he's
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going to win it?
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What did you think?
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I never thought it was going to be quick. I
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kind of thought he would probably get the knockout. The
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knockdown that you referenced in the second round was definitely
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a knockdown, but it was not a hard knockdown. I
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don't he was not hurt it was he just got
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caught with a punch he didn't see when he was
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up very quickly and didn't really seem to uh to
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uh have too many ill effects from it second time
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he'd been dropped in his career you go back several
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years ago when he fought uh Zili Zhang he got
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knocked down in the first round in that fight and
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was able to get up and go on to win
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a decision in that one um So, okay, he's taking
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a lot of shots. He's been dropped. But for real,
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when I say this, I didn't think that the knockout
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was imminent. I know Hergovich has a good chin. I
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know he's going to have to take some punishment. Now,
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whether he can continue to take that at the rate
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he was taking it through four and five and six,
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now you're thinking, okay, he better do something because you
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can't just take that kind of punishment for 12 rounds.
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Hergovich could do it for a few rounds, yes. He
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may have done it for a couple more than I
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might have thought he would be able to. That's a
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testament to his conditioning and to his will and to
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his mindset. And he was able to take those shots.
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But I was not, even though he was, like you said,
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he was getting bashed up. He got hit with a
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right hand on the temple in like the first 30
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seconds of the fight that messed up his legs a
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little bit. Even when that was happening, I was not
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that I have a dog in the fight, but I
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was in my mind. I'm like, okay, he'll get through
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this and settle into a more Normal fight, I guess.
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But he never really did.
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Here was a key moment, I thought, which was at
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the end of the third round where, again, he was
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getting hit and getting hit a bunch. And suddenly, Bamo,
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like you talked about, he landed a right. And it
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Thomas showed a good chin and took it. And then
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about 10 seconds later, he landed a good left 10,
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15 seconds later. And now this is the first time
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that we're seeing life from him. And right before the
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bell at the end of three, he landed another good
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right hand. And I am now thinking, obviously, the fight
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is on here. He has taken punishment. He has fired back.
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And now we're going to really find out what he
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Thomas made of, because this is the first time in
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his career that he has not blasted somebody out. with
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those kind of punches, and the guy is returning fire.
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He's a contender, he's a tested contender, and that's where
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the drama began to build.
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The thing about that is, if you are on the
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Thomas side and you're a fan of his, you're part
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of the team, or you're a wild British fan rooting
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for your guy, if you can walk away from this
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horrendous loss, which let's not sugarcoat it, this was a
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horrendous loss, You can at least take some solace to
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know that when he comes back, and he will, he's
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only 21, it's not like he's going to retire, that
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you now know to some degree that the guy can
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take a good shot. Now, Hergovich may not be the
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biggest puncher in the heavyweight division, but he's a big
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fucking hitter. He took some clean shots and he walked
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right through them. Again, the knockout was not because he
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didn't have a chin. The knockout was because he expended
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too much energy, did not have the proper, in my opinion,
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the proper amount of preparation to be ready for this
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type of long fight. Um, so there is that aspect
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of it, but at the end, look, Hargavich did what
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he had to do. He, the guy got off the stool,
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could barely get out there for the ninth round.
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And before we get to the end, let's get to the,
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let's get to the buildup for the end, because you
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could really sense the arena was, was oohing and aahing
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when Atama would land punches. But when the fifth round
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became the sixth round and Hargavich is still there. and
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Itama's mouth is open, and they're commenting on the broadcast.
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Adam Smith and Carl Frampton. And by the way, Herbert's
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got a cut over his eye, over his right eye.
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He did, and they did a good job of closing
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the cut here and there on the right eye, because
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you had talked about he cuts a bunch, and he
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got stopped by Dubois on the cuts. But once this
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became like the sixth round, and you saw Itama's mouth open.
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Again, I'm not being a know-it-all.
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I'm in communication with our buddy David Payne in England.
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I'm communicating with another friend of mine. I left you alone.
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And I'm going, he is worn out right now. He's
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there to be hit. This is big trouble. And sure enough,
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it lasted a couple more rounds, but he got more winded.
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He's throwing punches from the second row from the hip
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without his hands up.
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And that takes energy also, TJ, when you miss those
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punches so wildly.
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He looked like a completely inexperienced fighter in a big-moment fight.
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He is.
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That's right.
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What everybody has to understand here is this. To be
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21 years old and already be basically a twice-a-year fighter,
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and you're not even getting in rounds, is not the
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way to develop a guy that has the kind of
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talent that Moses E. Thomas has. If you're going to
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be a boxer, you have to box. If I wrote
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one article a year, I would suck, okay? I write
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every single day. It's muscle memory. And that is the
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thing about boxing today, particularly when you're bringing up a
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young fighter and you're trying to mold him and get
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him the various kinds of experience that he needs.
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Can I prop us? We talked about this. All the time.
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Okay, to prop us, we talked about this off the
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Dillian White win 12 months ago that did not even
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take a round. And I remember saying at that time,
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get him back in the ring with a credible fighter
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at some point here in the fall of last year,
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which they did not do. And when did the fight happen?
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Was that in March or April?
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Dermain Franklin, was there, like you said, March or April
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this year?
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I mean, they should have.
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And this is not hindsight we were talking about at
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the time. They should have put him in front of
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somebody else last year and then maybe Franklin. Get him
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some rounds. Get him some experience. And instead, they saw
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dollar signs, obviously, on let's go for it.
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I get that part. It also sometimes comes down to
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what the fighter and his team's demands are financially.
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At that point, when the white fight happened, he didn't
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break a sweat and get back in the ring and
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get some rounds.
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You're going to need that at the championship level.
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We've talked about this numerous times. When Mike Tyson was
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on his trek to winning the heavyweight title, he fought
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like 15 or 16 times in like 18 months or
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something like that. And he's had Moses Itama two fights
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in a year. It's not the same. You cannot expect
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to become, uh, you know, a sharp guy that's going
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to be on top of everything and have everything you
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need in terms of stamina and conditioning and all that
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kind of things. If you barely ever fight, I mean,
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it's not the same thing, but I mean, back when
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we were kids, when Jerry Cooney was making his way
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to the heavyweight title fight against Larry Holmes, there was
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a huge amount. And I've gone back and read like the,
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the sports illustrateds. And, you know, as we've talked about
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the microfilm of the New York times and, you know,
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go back and read like the old KO and ring
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magazines and that sort of stuff. Jerry Cooney was like
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barely ever fighting, but he had, you know, you know, he,
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he didn't have enough reps to, to, I mean, he
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held his own against Larry Holmes in that title fight
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to his credit. Uh, but I feel like he, and
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I'm sure if you ask Jerry today, he could have
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been a lot better if he had been more active
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and Atama, uh, But you know what?
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It's a great parallel you make because everybody saw dollar signs.
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The great white hope, get into the ring with Holmes,
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make millions of dollars, which at that time is probably
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about a third of what the present-day dollars are with inflation,
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et cetera, 45 years ago. It's a similar good analogy.
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He didn't have enough rounds. He didn't have enough experience.
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And he got in there with a world-class, experienced fighter.
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Skilled, good chin, and we saw what happened.
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Coming into this fight, Moses had 31 professional rounds. And
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of those 31 professional rounds coming into this fight, 12
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of those 31 professional rounds were in two fights that
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were early fights in his career that went to six
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round distance. Think about that. So everything else is like
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you're getting a knockout in the first or second round
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other than the Franklin fight, which he got him into
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round number five. Now, one thing about this fight is
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even as terrible as the loss was, he did get
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in you know, eight plus rounds that will serve him
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because he was in with a good opponent. He's going
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to learn a lot from this, I would hope. Obviously,
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you're going to see how he acts mentally, how he
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deals with this very crushing defeat. Remember, he's only 21
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years old. He's not a fully mature human being yet.
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You know, your emotions, things you think about at 21
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are a lot different than when you get to be
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a more mature person. That said, in my interactions with
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the time, I found him even at 21 to be
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pretty mature for a 21 year old. But I dare
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say that today's Sunday is one of the hardest days
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of Moses E. Thomas' life. I've woken up this morning
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realizing what just happened.
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Well, we got to keep it in perspective, which you
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and I know, but in the full scope. This was
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electric in that building. That's all that the British media,
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I know they have the Premier League soccer cranking back up,
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but everybody gravitated to this moment, this night. Is he
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the new Mike Tyson? Is he Muhammad Ali? Is he
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all the young, great champions? Is he the reincarnate of
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Lennox Lewis, their great champion? Is it all these things?
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And he is.
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Smoking Hergovich's chili in the first couple of rounds and
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looks like this.
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Is going to happen.
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TJ, not the first couple of rounds, literally the first
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eight rounds.
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Yes, probably, yes, fair.
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He won every round.
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Yes, and we're going to get to some more on that.
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So now to lose, and not only lose but get
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knocked out, is crushing a reversal from what looked like
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was going to happen. And so stay tuned on what
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happens next. Now let's cover a couple of other things.
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You mentioned as Hergovich was hurting him in the ninth round,
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we saw Ben Davidson get up on the apron with
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the towel, and the referee looked over at him because
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then he got back down up off the apron, and
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then Hergovich came back in and landed a clean shot,
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a left, and Itama went down in the seated position.
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The fight is waved off. Hold on, hold on.
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Even before that, The body language, him falling into the
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ropes because he could not keep himself up. I'm having
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reflections and memories of when I was ringside at the
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Mandalay Bay years ago when LeMond Brewster and Vladimir Klitschko
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were fighting for the vacant WBO heavyweight title. And Vladimir
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Klitschko was... absolutely pummeling the shit out of Brewster for
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four plus rounds and in the fifth round his gas
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tank went to zero he got he got they called
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it a knockdown but he didn't really get knocked down
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he kind of fell down like a cool breeze kind
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of hit him and he literally couldn't get up and
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he got counted out and he just had nothing left
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and so it was kind of the same thing. He
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just could not, he did not have control of his body.
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And it was sort of like with the time I
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just reminisced into the ropes.
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I mean, I got another, I got another example.
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When we go into nostalgia, I got another example in
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a moment, you know, where I'm going with a big
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John Tate and timber, but all right. So the fight
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ends and he can't get up off the stool.
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All right.
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So a couple of more things here, number one, derelict
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by DA zone by the producer and the director show us,
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he Tama in the corner. You don't have to belabor it.
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They're now talking about, oh, they're going to bring a
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stretcher into the ring.
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Show it to us. They did bring it. They did.
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I saw the video on social media.
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Well, they showed us social media, but the Zone broadcast
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never showed it.
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Okay.
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Carl Frampton had said earlier, I believe, in the ninth round,
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he said, I wonder if something is wrong with his leg.
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He said that.
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After the fight, Frank Warren said he's hurt his leg.
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I don't know what the truth is.
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I don't know how much you've been digging on this.
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That would be an explanation. I'm not saying it's the explanation.
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That would be an explanation as to why he could
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not get up and walk out of the ring if
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he had hurt his leg. It's still just kind of
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weird that they carried him out. And we haven't heard
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much more about that. Have you heard any more about
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that as we put this podcast out?
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Only that Frank said, I mean, he said it in
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the ring, but then he said it again. I watched
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the post-fight news conference on the YouTube channel that they
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put up on the Queensberry, the DAZN YouTube channel. He
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said he went to the hospital because he had a
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leg injury. Now, my suspicion is that he went to
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the hospital for two reasons. One, because of the extreme
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exhaustion and also because of the leg. I don't know
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if the exhaustion was why he had to get taken
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out in a stretcher. Perhaps it was because of the leg.
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All that said, he did not, you know, he is
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out of the hospital, thankfully. He's okay. He made a
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social media video on Sunday because he obviously did not
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do an interview at the post-fight. He didn't do an
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interview in the ring. Basically gave congratulations to Hargavish, talked
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about how, you know, he's going to learn from this.
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He'll be back. And, you know, basically said the right things.
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Although I have to say, a friend of mine that
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looked at the video said to me, thought he was
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watching a hostage video.
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Like I wrote his lines for him. And like you said,
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this is.
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A crushing thing for the 21 year old with the
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magnitude of what was at stake in front of his
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people to get beat like that.
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Keep in mind, it's not just like I'm going to
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try to win a heavyweight title. I'm going to try
502
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to become the second youngest heavyweight title holder in the
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history of boxing behind Tyson. I have a chance if
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I win to become the third youngest British world champion
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in any weight class, regardless of the division. Those were
506
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huge historical achievements that he could have taken care of.
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Not to mention you potentially beaten, you know, a bonafide
508
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top 10 heavyweight to do it. You're in front of
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your home crowd, you know, Croatia is a long way
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from England and Hargavich has been a road warrior his
511
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whole career. He's fought all over the place in the
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United States and the UK and other places. And that's,
513
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that's a hard pill to swallow. And on top of that,
514
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it's kind of embarrassing because you got to get taken
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out on a stretcher, as you said. So, Fortunately, the
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young man is okay. I'm glad to see that, obviously.
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And I look at it like this. If he ever
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does go on to become and still live up to
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the potential that he still has, what a great comeback story. Like,
520
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.700
every story arc needs something like this. Now, it's different
521
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than Tyson who rips through everybody and ends up, you know,
522
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falling in Tokyo. But if he can make a rebound
523
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from this, it'll just be you know, a big part
524
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of the story.
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What do we always talk about? Adversity reveals character. This
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is a double helping of adversity. This is big time adversity.
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And now we're going to find out what he has.
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He's young.
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He's got a long time back in. Let's pivot and
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pick up on the magnitude of the Hergovich win. As
531
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you mentioned, the first ever, you mentioned this in the buildup,
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the first ever Croatian to win. Is it just the
533
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heavyweight title or is it a world title period?
534
00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:06.230
I'm pretty sure it's the heavyweight title.
535
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There's been another one that's won.
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Massive i think so but it's still.
537
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Massive massive moment in that setting for him for that
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country i thought he handled it beautifully after it was
539
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over gave thanks to gave thanks to god and said
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that's what blessed him and that's what kept him going
541
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thanked his wife then mentioned his late father which which
542
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has obviously taken its toll on him for the last four.
543
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Years that was the If you remember back to the
544
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Zhang fight, when that fight was first scheduled, he withdrew
545
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because it was right around the time that his father
546
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had died and ended up being rescheduled later. Who had trained.
547
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Him his whole career, and it's a devastating thing that
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he went through.
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After the Dubois loss, he suffered from the cuts. He
550
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thought about retiring from boxing. His father was gone. He
551
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talked about how he just had his wife and their
552
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daughter had just been born. She's now two years old.
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After that happened, he decided I'm going to give it
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another go. And, you know, it was very poignant. Like
555
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now my, my, you know, I did it for my
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father and now my daughter, she can walk proudly that
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her father is a heavyweight champion of the world. I mean,
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you know, it's, it's a great story and it's, you know,
559
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who doesn't love a big underdog upset too. I mean,
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even if you're a big Atama, you can't, you can't
561
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not be happy for that team because the combination of
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what Herkovich, all the things he said that he had
563
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dealt with, the underdog status, being on the road, the
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fact that Abel Sanchez and the, twilight of his training
565
00:25:30.619 --> 00:25:33.039
career uh you know gets yet another world champion and
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a heavyweight champion to boot look at the rest of
567
00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:38.069
his team like he's like we've talked about the you
568
00:25:38.089 --> 00:25:40.509
know how outstanding of a manager keith connelly is for
569
00:25:40.549 --> 00:25:42.930
example he's had all kinds of champions and made big
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money for his guys and cut all kinds of deals
571
00:25:45.549 --> 00:25:47.039
still a big deal as a manager you can have
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all the champions in the world before you get a
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heavyweight champion that's like a different level.
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Well, again, massive moment for him. Kudos to him. And
575
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let's follow up with two more things. So in the
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ring and even after the fight, he keeps saying, I
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want the unification.
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I want Caballel. I want.
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Dubois rematch? He said, Dubois, I want them. He said,
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Frank Sanchez will take another step aside and get paid
581
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and all this other stuff. All right, so what do
582
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we think? I know we're only a day after it,
583
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but what do we think? Is the Sanchez fight likely
584
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going to be next? Because Sanchez's people will insist that,
585
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I mean, we stepped aside where we were supposed to
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be in this fight, maybe with Moses Itama.
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Look, I'm sure they will inquire with Team... Sanchez, which
588
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is Sanchez, his manager, Mike Borreo, his promoter, Leo Margulies
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from Warriors Boxing. And just to sort of gauge what
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their temperature is in terms of is even possible that
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you would think about a step aside. If you do, OK,
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00:26:46.589 --> 00:26:48.230
now you've got to figure out what's the right amount
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of money. But they also have to contend with the IBF.
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I mean, they were very specific. If you read their
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resolution and look, the IBF is just has typically and
596
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they're not always, but mostly a stickler for their rules
597
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:04.029
and they stick by their resolutions. They were very specific
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when they issued the ability for them to do this
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00:27:06.089 --> 00:27:09.210
fight under a certain set of guidelines. And that included
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that the winner within, I forget the number of days,
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has to fight Sanchez in the mandatory.
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I think you wrote, I think I remember, 180.
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Whatever it was. If Sanchez went to the IBF and said,
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no problem, I'll step aside, perhaps they would go for it.
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It is my opinion that they will do the mandatory next.
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Because here's the thing. It's one thing if Moses Itama
607
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is the heavyweight champion and you want to do another
608
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.440
step aside because you can then sell out a massive
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00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:38.170
arena and generate a gigantic number of dollars in terms
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of your gait. Filip Hergovic, while it was an outstanding victory,
611
00:27:41.890 --> 00:27:43.630
is not that level of stardom. Even if you go
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and do a fight for him in Croatia and sell
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out a big venue, it's not the same kind of
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00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.980
money because you can't put it as a... You probably can't... Look,
615
00:27:53.299 --> 00:27:55.759
DAZN puts a lot of stuff on pay-per-view, but even
616
00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:00.200
that would be pretty surprising if they put Philip Harkovich
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against Frank Sanchez is a pay-per-view. That would be embarrassing,
618
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to be quite honest with you. So you're at a
619
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level where he's a worthy victor. He won the fight
620
00:28:10.789 --> 00:28:13.509
fair and square. He's got the belt. But his economic
621
00:28:14.049 --> 00:28:16.289
abilities to generate are not what they would be if
622
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it was Itama.
623
00:28:16.869 --> 00:28:19.369
Yeah, this is a come-down to fight Sanchez, which few
624
00:28:19.390 --> 00:28:20.799
people know, except the hardcore boxers.
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So the point is, Queensberry and Dazon are probably not
626
00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:27.430
willing or interested to spend crazy money to put his
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next fight and they will obviously they've got a contract
628
00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:32.910
with queensberry and and i'm sure there are already terms
629
00:28:32.950 --> 00:28:35.710
spelled out in the contracts for the sanchez fight on
630
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both sides um now i was told in the soon
631
00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:44.029
aftermath of the fight on saturday night that not like
632
00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:46.230
it was a negotiation when it was like let's just
633
00:28:46.289 --> 00:28:49.450
check in with each other that warren and connelly had
634
00:28:49.470 --> 00:28:52.769
a brief conversation and the indication was that they would
635
00:28:53.380 --> 00:28:56.029
try to do the hergevich fight and maybe take the
636
00:28:56.069 --> 00:29:00.410
Sanchez fight to Croatia. So that's a possibility. But I
637
00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:03.539
do think that they probably will wind up doing the
638
00:29:03.579 --> 00:29:07.259
Sanchez mandatory next. I mean, it's only fair. And I
639
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.920
don't think, look, they had money to spend on the
640
00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:12.000
step aside to get this title fight done for Itama.
641
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.500
They didn't do it for Hergovich. There's not that kind
642
00:29:14.539 --> 00:29:16.180
of money in the pot to pay Frank Sanchez and
643
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.400
another seven figures to step aside just to go let
644
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.299
Hergovich go fight somebody else. Keep in mind also, when
645
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.619
he's talking about unifications... Fabio Wardley is doing the rematch
646
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.640
against Dubois. Cabiel does not have an opponent yet, but
647
00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:34.490
that's a fight that probably would wind up in Germany.
648
00:29:34.509 --> 00:29:37.049
And I'm not sure if there's a date for the
649
00:29:37.089 --> 00:29:39.130
remainder of the year that would accommodate that level of
650
00:29:39.190 --> 00:29:42.549
a fight. There is no conversation about him doing a
651
00:29:42.589 --> 00:29:45.809
fight with the WBA title holder, which is Gassiev. So
652
00:29:46.210 --> 00:29:48.329
you know what? You go get the mandatory out of
653
00:29:48.349 --> 00:29:53.099
the way. You owe the mandatory. It's not a bad fight,
654
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:54.759
but it's not like a super fight. It just is.
655
00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:56.920
You just got to do your thing. So I suspect
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00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.609
that will be next before the end of this year.
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So kudos to Hergovich.
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00:30:00.309 --> 00:30:02.630
And now I bring this back because we love the
659
00:30:02.670 --> 00:30:07.410
nostalgia to March the 31st, 1980. I remember a young
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00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.450
TJ watching this.
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00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:12.609
It's not the same.
662
00:30:12.910 --> 00:30:14.650
No, hold on. Hold on.
663
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:18.460
I remember watching this on ABC and that was the
664
00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:20.579
night of one of those triple headers, right?
665
00:30:20.859 --> 00:30:23.480
Where Sugar Ray Leonard fought in one of the fights.
666
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In a different location, in Maryland.
667
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In Maryland.
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00:30:27.349 --> 00:30:30.250
And Big John Tate was fighting in front of his
669
00:30:30.349 --> 00:30:34.599
people in Knoxville, Tennessee, with a portion of the heavyweight title,
670
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:38.240
the WBA heavyweight title on the line. Tate was a U.S.
671
00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:40.819
Olympian that did not get to participate, obviously. None of
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00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.059
the Olympians did in the 1980 Olympics because the U.S.
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Boycotted.
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So now he's fighting this title fight with Mike Weaver
675
00:30:47.650 --> 00:30:52.670
and dominating the entire 15-round fight until the final two rounds,
676
00:30:52.990 --> 00:30:55.819
where Weaver hurt him in the 14th round, and all
677
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.279
he's basically got to do is survive. Stay upright and survive,
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and you're going to get the decision. And an all-time
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00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.880
final minute of the fight, Timber knockout. I know we're
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00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.400
going in the way back. For all you Gen Zers,
681
00:31:08.019 --> 00:31:12.349
all your sub-30-year-olds that think again that boxing started in 2007...
682
00:31:12.349 --> 00:31:13.990
Go back and YouTube this up.
683
00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:15.190
It was wild.
684
00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:20.970
It was a moment that still lives 45-plus years later
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where stunning, stunning how that.
686
00:31:24.289 --> 00:31:26.309
But the reason why that's a lot different than what
687
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occurred between Atama and Herkovich is because in the fight
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00:31:29.789 --> 00:31:32.430
that you're talking about, he got caught with big punches
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00:31:32.490 --> 00:31:35.630
and went to sleep. Atama did not get caught with
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big punches.
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00:31:36.029 --> 00:31:38.859
You basically won either 12 or 13 of the previous
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13 rounds.
693
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:40.079
That's true.
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He has the fight. And it's a dramatic, crazy, final-minute knockout.
695
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.680
That is the immediate thing that I was thinking about.
696
00:31:49.299 --> 00:31:50.200
Because, again, I'm older.
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00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:52.740
Watching this last night where— I.
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Was thinking of Flitchco Brewster because.
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Of the gas. I understand because you were there. You
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00:31:55.660 --> 00:31:55.900
were there.
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00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.180
No, no, no, no. It's not because I was there.
702
00:31:57.460 --> 00:32:00.779
It's because the circumstances of the guy that was the big,
703
00:32:00.819 --> 00:32:03.619
giant favorite who had been winning every single round— got tired.
704
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.319
It wasn't because he got hit with a big shot.
705
00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:07.940
In the Weaver-Tate fight, it was a devastating knockout punch.
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00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.420
And by the way, while you're talking about circumstances, John
707
00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:13.880
Tate was a massive fan favorite. He's fighting in his hometown.
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00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.460
But it wasn't the exhaustion. That's the difference.
709
00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.049
I think he was as much exhausted, but we could
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00:32:19.069 --> 00:32:20.450
debate that for another five minutes.
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00:32:20.470 --> 00:32:21.670
But he got nailed with a big punch.
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00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:26.509
Anyway, it parallels on that was a 12-1 or 13-0
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00:32:26.609 --> 00:32:29.029
fight at that point when that happened. So I think
714
00:32:29.089 --> 00:32:30.509
everybody would look at this and say that was an
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00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:33.400
8-0 fight. And you never know in boxing. This is
716
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:36.339
why we love it. There's a 42-point touchdown. There's a
717
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:40.339
nine-run home run. It's called one punch, one round. Something
718
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:43.240
can turn it, and it did, and we love it so.
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All right, we just spent a ton of time on that.
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And congrats to Hergovich, and let's see what happens next.
721
00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:51.160
And I'm going to put this out there.
722
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All right.
723
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.759
Judging by what we saw now on Saturday night, there
724
00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:58.539
is no given that Moses Itama is ever going to
725
00:32:58.579 --> 00:33:02.059
be a world class heavyweight champion with.
726
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.480
A long reign. We don't know. We don't know what's
727
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:04.900
going to happen.
728
00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:06.960
We know that that's the first time that he was
729
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.299
in with a real guy that could take a punch
730
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:12.420
and punch him back. And he wore himself out and
731
00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:13.480
got himself knocked out.
732
00:33:13.539 --> 00:33:13.920
We don't know.
733
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.259
We don't know what's going to happen. It's going to
734
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.079
be intriguing to see the buildup, what they do with
735
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.730
him next. But I'm not just going to say, I
736
00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:22.309
know he's only 21 years old. I'm not going to
737
00:33:22.349 --> 00:33:25.410
say that it's just a given that he's now going
738
00:33:25.450 --> 00:33:28.250
to still be a star and be a longtime heavyweight champion.
739
00:33:28.410 --> 00:33:28.730
I don't know.
740
00:33:29.289 --> 00:33:30.950
I still think he's got a chance to do some
741
00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:33.789
big things. Let's see. I was less than impressed with
742
00:33:33.809 --> 00:33:34.789
the corner, but I like that.
743
00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:38.039
Quick hands, big punches. Great speed.
744
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:39.039
But.
745
00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:41.279
He got in there with a real guy, and we
746
00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:44.480
saw what happened. All right, let's move on to other fights.
747
00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:46.799
You want to skip to Los Angeles. Let's go to
748
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.160
this continent. Let's go to the WBC interim super middleweight
749
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:54.140
title fight. Lester Martinez, as we built this up, did
750
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:57.240
get a stoppage in the main event with Luka Plantic
751
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.880
in L.A. on the Pro Box Saturday night main event.
752
00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:05.029
Tell me more about this win on this continent.
753
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.280
Well, look, Lester Martinez is an excellent contender in the
754
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.210
super middleweight division. People saw him, lots of people saw him,
755
00:34:13.219 --> 00:34:17.159
because he fought on the undercard last September when Canelo
756
00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:21.159
Alvarez and Terrence Crawford had their fight, a big Netflix
757
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.949
main event at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas. And
758
00:34:23.989 --> 00:34:27.170
so post that draw he had with Mobility, he did
759
00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:29.349
not get the rematch, as we talked about in the preview.
760
00:34:30.010 --> 00:34:34.130
He ended up getting the interim title. He defended it.
761
00:34:35.010 --> 00:34:36.889
I guess he won the interim title in his last fight.
762
00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:38.989
And so now he's going into the first defense while
763
00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:42.170
he sits and waits to see what happens with Mbili
764
00:34:42.250 --> 00:34:45.570
and Canelo who fight in October. He wants the winner
765
00:34:45.590 --> 00:34:47.230
of that fight, whether he'll actually get the winner, who
766
00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:48.409
the heck knows. But in the meantime, he had to
767
00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:50.929
take care of his business against Plantix, who was an
768
00:34:50.989 --> 00:34:53.869
undefeated fighter, an Olympian. They made that match. They put
769
00:34:53.889 --> 00:34:57.090
it at the Galen Center, which is the gym on
770
00:34:57.139 --> 00:35:00.619
the arena on the campus of USC in California. I've
771
00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:02.519
covered a couple of fights there. Pretty good building, actually,
772
00:35:02.539 --> 00:35:05.289
for Not mega fights, not fights that are the magnitude
773
00:35:05.309 --> 00:35:06.949
that you would put him at what is now the
774
00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:10.849
crypto arena, but a pretty good venue nonetheless. Anyway, he
775
00:35:10.889 --> 00:35:14.880
drew a big crowd there. He's got basically every Guatemalan
776
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:18.599
within however many hundreds of miles knows the guy. He's
777
00:35:18.619 --> 00:35:22.900
like a national rock star in Guatemala and that their
778
00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:26.190
community has been very supportive. They turned out when he
779
00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:29.309
fought Aleem when he won the interim title. That was
780
00:35:29.409 --> 00:35:32.510
up in San Bernardino, California. Now he has this fight
781
00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:36.570
with Plantic in Los Angeles, another pretty raucous crowd. I
782
00:35:36.610 --> 00:35:39.449
was actually pretty impressed. I was watching that after all
783
00:35:39.489 --> 00:35:42.210
the festivities were over. I had taken a short break.
784
00:35:42.250 --> 00:35:46.889
I was watching Pro Box on their YouTube channel. They
785
00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:48.389
put on a pretty good card, and this was the
786
00:35:48.409 --> 00:35:52.510
main event. And so he pretty much dominated. Plantic was
787
00:35:52.570 --> 00:35:54.690
not a bum, though. He was not a very experienced
788
00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:57.659
fighter in the professional ranks against any top type of opponents,
789
00:35:57.699 --> 00:36:02.349
but he certainly had the amateur credentials. And Martinez just
790
00:36:02.369 --> 00:36:03.929
went out there and continued to do what he's been doing.
791
00:36:04.309 --> 00:36:06.769
He's got a, you know, he's trained by Brian McIntyre
792
00:36:06.849 --> 00:36:09.230
from the Terrence Crawford camp. Of course, one of the
793
00:36:09.250 --> 00:36:11.949
reasons why he was on Terrence Crawford's undercard against him, Billy,
794
00:36:11.969 --> 00:36:16.239
when he fought Canelo last year. He now is 21-0-1,
795
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.500
17 knockouts, pretty good puncher. He did score a knockdown
796
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.840
in the 10th round soon before he landed a very
797
00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:25.380
rough combination that caused the referee to later in the
798
00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:28.269
10th round step in and stop the fight. So for him,
799
00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:30.570
it was, it couldn't have gone better. Big crowd, good
800
00:36:30.610 --> 00:36:33.849
performance beats an undefeated opponent, gets the knockout, keeps the belt,
801
00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:36.789
throws all the Guatemalan fans that are there. He's right
802
00:36:36.809 --> 00:36:40.119
there in position potentially for the winner of Canelo, uh,
803
00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:44.170
against my Billy. Um, and, uh, moves on to, to
804
00:36:44.210 --> 00:36:45.889
hopefully for his sake, bigger and better things. One thing
805
00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:47.909
about Martinez, like I'm not going to sit here and
806
00:36:47.929 --> 00:36:50.159
tell you, uh, that, you know, he is the second
807
00:36:50.179 --> 00:36:52.579
coming of Roy Jones as a super middleweight, but he's
808
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.079
an entertaining fighters. Got a little bit of swag to him,
809
00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:58.719
a little charisma to him makes good fights. Um, Pro
810
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.699
box has done a good job in terms of what was,
811
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.920
since they've had them keeping them busy. Um, he's got
812
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.039
a chip, you know, which is what the interim belt
813
00:37:06.099 --> 00:37:07.940
is all about right now to try to position yourself
814
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:11.289
for bigger fights for bigger money. Uh, he's fun to watch.
815
00:37:12.349 --> 00:37:13.909
And I'll have fun with you because I love this.
816
00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:15.610
Cause I hear people pronounce it this way because the
817
00:37:15.650 --> 00:37:17.610
people from the country pronounce it this way.
818
00:37:17.929 --> 00:37:21.489
So have fun with me. They pronounce it like W
819
00:37:21.849 --> 00:37:24.840
a H Guatemala, Guatemala, Guatemala.
820
00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:29.329
In the house for Lester Martinez with the win, and
821
00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:30.849
let's see if he gets a big... You did allude
822
00:37:30.909 --> 00:37:34.269
to that we talked about maybe Jaime Munguia. Seems like
823
00:37:34.309 --> 00:37:36.699
it would be a logical fight, a unification fight, if
824
00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:37.179
you will.
825
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.219
Well, they're not going to unify with an interim title,
826
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.719
so the answer to that is definitely no.
827
00:37:40.820 --> 00:37:43.980
But apparently he doesn't have interest in fighting Munguia, or
828
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.099
at least that's what he said, or at least the
829
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.559
dollars aren't right.
830
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.199
I can't blame him. First of all, everybody in that
831
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.130
weight class or around that weight class wants to fight
832
00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:54.429
Canelo for obvious reasons. And number two, I think he'd
833
00:37:54.449 --> 00:37:56.539
love to fight Mobili again if he wins against Canelo
834
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.519
because he feels like he won the fight. That was
835
00:37:58.579 --> 00:38:01.780
a draw. It was kind of crazy to a lot
836
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.119
of people that the WBC didn't order the immediate rematch.
837
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.230
They didn't. So he went out on his own course,
838
00:38:09.010 --> 00:38:11.989
defeated Alim, and now has his win from Saturday night.
839
00:38:12.190 --> 00:38:16.349
And he's just 30 years old, so he's still right
840
00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:18.840
there in his prime. And it's time for him to
841
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.980
get a bigger fight. And we shall see. Mungi, I
842
00:38:21.019 --> 00:38:23.820
do not think, figures in those plans. Most likely, Munguia
843
00:38:23.860 --> 00:38:27.219
will probably wind up fighting on the undercard of Canelo's
844
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:29.519
fight in Saudi Arabia, where they're billing the show, Turkey,
845
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.480
and the Riyadh season, folks, as Mexico versus the world.
846
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.829
So you're looking at Canelo from Mexico against Mbili from
847
00:38:35.889 --> 00:38:38.309
somewhere else in the world. Munguia from Mexico with somebody
848
00:38:38.369 --> 00:38:41.090
else that's in another country in the world. And then
849
00:38:41.309 --> 00:38:43.969
another fight that's supposed to happen is Lindolfo Delgado, the Mexican,
850
00:38:44.789 --> 00:38:49.090
taking on Arthur Villars-Nolal from Canada. These are all not official,
851
00:38:49.110 --> 00:38:51.619
but that's probably the plan. They'll fight for the vacant
852
00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:55.190
IBF title at 140 pounds. Hopefully they can get Martinez
853
00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:56.489
back in the ring before the end of this year.
854
00:38:56.510 --> 00:39:01.170
I'd like to see that. Let's bounce back to England
855
00:39:01.210 --> 00:39:05.030
and Birmingham, England, and talk about the MVP ESPN Plus
856
00:39:05.090 --> 00:39:10.920
card that saw Chantel Cameron win a 10-round decision to
857
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:14.079
retain her version of the Junior Middleweight Championship, the WBO version,
858
00:39:14.300 --> 00:39:18.829
and win the WBC-WBA belts over Mikayla Mayer. who was
859
00:39:18.909 --> 00:39:21.739
none too happy after the fight with the decision. And
860
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.880
we had a bunch of smack talk immediately after. And
861
00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:25.989
I thought, can I just say, I thought it was
862
00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:29.219
classless by Mayer to come over and interrupt the post-fight
863
00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:33.230
interview with the I beat you and with that stuff.
864
00:39:33.329 --> 00:39:36.710
Full disclosure, I was watching this fight instead of the
865
00:39:36.889 --> 00:39:41.659
undercard Sam Noakes fight on the Itama Hergovich card.
866
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:43.980
He didn't miss anything on the undercard. As great as
867
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.320
the main event was, TJ, the undercard was thrilled.
868
00:39:45.340 --> 00:39:46.519
The undercard did nothing else.
869
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.440
I thought Chantel Cameron pulled away in the back half
870
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:52.619
of the fight, and I had the fight 7-3. I
871
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.980
thought she won the 9th round. I thought she won
872
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.480
the 10th round. I don't know what Mayer's complaining about.
873
00:39:57.820 --> 00:39:59.639
Do something in the 9th and 10th round.
874
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.110
Look, it was a competitive fight, obviously. I have no
875
00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:04.389
quarrel with the 97-93 or 96-93. Two judges had a
876
00:40:04.389 --> 00:40:10.269
97-93 fight. Another judge had it 96 to 94. That
877
00:40:10.309 --> 00:40:12.110
seemed to be the reasonable card. I suppose if you
878
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.909
really gave Michaela all the benefits of the doubt, perhaps
879
00:40:14.929 --> 00:40:16.750
you might have that fight to draw. I don't know
880
00:40:16.789 --> 00:40:18.309
if you can necessarily say that she was the winner
881
00:40:18.329 --> 00:40:20.929
of the fight. She certainly was competitive, uh, for all
882
00:40:20.949 --> 00:40:23.829
of the bluster and the, and the, uh, ill sportsmanship
883
00:40:23.849 --> 00:40:25.889
that she showed after the fight in terms of what
884
00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:28.579
you just talked about. She did post on social media today,
885
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.360
apologizing for that. I understand she was in an emotional
886
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.840
moment at that point, a tough loss. Um, so, you know,
887
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.659
I'll take her, uh, accept her apology. No reason not to,
888
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:38.900
it was the, to the heat of the moment, if
889
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.320
you will. And the thing about it is her and Cameron,
890
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.280
while they're not like best friends, they've been friendly. They've
891
00:40:43.300 --> 00:40:46.489
known each other since the amateurs. Um, so yeah, it
892
00:40:46.510 --> 00:40:49.010
got a little chippy in there. That's, that's boxing. Um,
893
00:40:49.369 --> 00:40:51.550
there is a rematch clause in the fight. Uh, the
894
00:40:51.570 --> 00:40:55.449
interesting thing about that is, uh, Cameron is said she's
895
00:40:55.530 --> 00:40:57.840
willing to do the rematch, but she wants to do
896
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.380
it over three minute rounds. Whereas the fight they had
897
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.199
the other night was the standard, which are two minute rounds. Now,
898
00:41:03.260 --> 00:41:06.159
if she had, If she did, if Michaela did agree,
899
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:08.760
because Michaela, to my knowledge, she has never done a
900
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.559
three-minute round fight. She's always done the 10 and the 2.
901
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.659
If she were to agree to do the three-minute round fight, though,
902
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:18.389
the WBC belt would be vacated because the WBC, as
903
00:41:18.429 --> 00:41:21.590
they have shown in previous situations, both with Baumgartner and
904
00:41:21.630 --> 00:41:25.309
also with Amanda Serrano, they will not sanction a female
905
00:41:25.349 --> 00:41:28.329
bout that has either 12 rounds or three-minute rounds or both,
906
00:41:28.369 --> 00:41:31.809
for that matter. So we'll see what happens there. I
907
00:41:31.829 --> 00:41:35.949
think a rematch is... I mean, without some other big,
908
00:41:36.010 --> 00:41:38.010
huge fight for either of these women at the moment,
909
00:41:39.170 --> 00:41:41.329
it seems reasonable for them to do a rematch. It
910
00:41:41.349 --> 00:41:43.159
was a good fight. It wasn't a great fight, but
911
00:41:43.179 --> 00:41:47.619
it was certainly entertaining enough. It was close. If they
912
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:49.940
did the three-minute rounds, maybe that would add a little
913
00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:52.219
interest to it. I would prefer to see it at
914
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:54.780
the two and have all the belts at stake, but whatever.
915
00:41:56.420 --> 00:41:59.500
But yeah, it was... It was a good fight. It
916
00:41:59.539 --> 00:42:02.019
was not maybe as good as what I thought was expected.
917
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.840
It was not spectacular. But Cameron, I thought, was the
918
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.480
deserving winner.
919
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.079
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I mean, she did
920
00:42:07.099 --> 00:42:08.159
a good job. And let me tell you, if you
921
00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:12.409
take a look at Cameron's, you know, first of all,
922
00:42:12.429 --> 00:42:16.110
back to Michaela for a second. She's irritated because all
923
00:42:16.130 --> 00:42:18.650
three of her losses have been very close. The Cameron loss,
924
00:42:18.670 --> 00:42:21.070
certainly close. A lot of people thought she beat Jonas.
925
00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:23.570
It was a split decision. The loss to Baumgartner was
926
00:42:23.590 --> 00:42:25.550
a similar situation. Lost a split decision that a lot
927
00:42:25.570 --> 00:42:26.469
of people thought she won.
928
00:42:26.590 --> 00:42:29.469
I thought she won the Baumgartner fight, but I'm sitting
929
00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:31.389
here saying I didn't think she won this fight.
930
00:42:31.469 --> 00:42:34.090
So it just happens that way. And she did not win.
931
00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:36.380
If you're a mayor, she's like, I got three losses.
932
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:36.820
I know.
933
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:37.519
They're all close.
934
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:38.599
I could have won all three.
935
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.219
But she didn't win the ninth or 10th round. And
936
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:42.480
there's only 10 rounds in the fight.
937
00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:43.699
That's what I'm saying. Give me a break.
938
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:47.800
Well, no, I'm just I'm saying to you, you got
939
00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:50.400
to leave an impression, especially on the road in England.
940
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:51.880
And she didn't do it. So there we go. And
941
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:53.599
I know she apologized for it after the fact. And
942
00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:54.239
we'll see if they fight.
943
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.360
Now, let's take a quick look at what Cameron has done.
944
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.559
She's now 23 and one. She's just been Michaela Mayer
945
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:02.820
in a three belt unification fight. Michaela is certainly one
946
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.500
of the even with this loss and her other loss
947
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.699
is still one of the best of her time in
948
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.800
these various divisions she has boxed in. She has other
949
00:43:09.860 --> 00:43:11.900
significant wins. Oh, by the way, did I mention that
950
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.380
she has the only win against Katie Taylor in an
951
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.909
undisputed title fight? Now, she lost the rematch, but she
952
00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:19.510
won the first fight. They were both majority decisions, both
953
00:43:19.530 --> 00:43:22.730
spectacular action fights, among the best women's fights you will
954
00:43:22.769 --> 00:43:26.369
ever see. She's got a clean win against Jessica McCaskill,
955
00:43:26.489 --> 00:43:28.719
although competitive, who McCaskill at that time was one of
956
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:31.280
the top fighters out there. I mean, this is a
957
00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:33.179
woman that has some accomplishment at this point. I mean,
958
00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.420
I believe that between beating Mayer in a unification match
959
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.159
beating Katie Taylor at least once and the only time
960
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.059
she ever has lost and perhaps will be the only
961
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:43.900
loss of her career as long as Katie wins next weekend.
962
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:45.800
And you look at the other things that Katrin has done.
963
00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:48.179
She's pushing herself to the Hall of Fame level the
964
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:49.880
same way Taylor is and the same way Mayer has.
965
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.280
So that's a very big win for Chantel, and I
966
00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:53.469
would like to see them do a rematch.
967
00:43:53.489 --> 00:43:55.590
All right, credit her.
968
00:43:55.730 --> 00:43:59.789
Also on the co-feature, Caroline Dubois did win in convincing
969
00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:03.429
fashion over Amelia Moore, retained her two women's lightweight titles.
970
00:44:04.989 --> 00:44:08.489
And Alicia Baumgartner was obviously there. She's interested in a
971
00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:12.309
possible fight with Dubois. This stuff is not complicated. Dubois
972
00:44:12.329 --> 00:44:13.170
did her part.
973
00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:15.989
Well, it's like we spoke about. I mean, Amelia Moore
974
00:44:17.010 --> 00:44:19.269
was only 4-0 going into this fight. She obviously is
975
00:44:19.309 --> 00:44:21.969
a capable boxer, but she was 36 years old. She'd
976
00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:24.909
never fought anybody. And I said it would be easy work.
977
00:44:24.989 --> 00:44:26.739
It was easy work. It was 99-90 on two scorecards,
978
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:33.820
98-91 on another scorecard. Caroline Dubois, who's an excellent boxer,
979
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.500
but not a big puncher. She did score a knockdown
980
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.860
in the fifth round of the fight and she wins
981
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.960
going away. She retains her unified WBC and WBO women's
982
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.440
lightweight titles. And you mentioned about Baumgartner, who is now
983
00:44:45.500 --> 00:44:48.719
also with MVP, as is Dubois, as all these women are,
984
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.960
that that would be a very logical fight. Now, Baumgartner
985
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:54.840
would like that fight. That's probably one of the bigger
986
00:44:54.860 --> 00:44:58.130
fights MVP could could make at this moment. it makes
987
00:44:58.170 --> 00:44:59.860
a lot of sense. They're two of the top names
988
00:44:59.989 --> 00:45:02.360
in women's boxing. They have not yet fought each other,
989
00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:07.099
so there's that aspect also. In the meantime, you have
990
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.800
Baumgartner just had her, she, first of all, Baumgartner is
991
00:45:09.820 --> 00:45:13.019
the unified champion at 130 pounds, had been undisputed, gave
992
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.360
up the WBC title because of the reason we spoke about.
993
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.769
She did a fight that was a 12-round fight with
994
00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:20.769
three-minute rounds not that long ago. She is moving up
995
00:45:20.809 --> 00:45:22.989
to lightweight in her next fight, and she's going to
996
00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:25.570
take on the very dogged, very tough, very good punching
997
00:45:26.030 --> 00:45:28.809
Elif Nur-Turhan, who was the IBF champion, who was undefeated,
998
00:45:28.869 --> 00:45:33.949
who's a very, very strong brawler type from Turkey. The
999
00:45:33.989 --> 00:45:37.090
winner of that fight, whoever emerges with the IBF title,
1000
00:45:37.510 --> 00:45:40.579
that is the logical next opponent to fight Caroline Dubois.
1001
00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:45.070
The fight with Baumgartner and Turhan is scheduled for November 8th.
1002
00:45:45.179 --> 00:45:48.900
So that fight will take place. And then perhaps, you know,
1003
00:45:48.940 --> 00:45:51.880
in the first quarter or so of next year, the
1004
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.860
winner would fight Caroline Dubois, which would obviously, for women's boxing,
1005
00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:55.659
is a pretty big fight.
1006
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:57.579
So it's smart to kind of set this stuff up,
1007
00:45:57.619 --> 00:45:59.320
and we'll see if it goes into motion.
1008
00:46:00.500 --> 00:46:01.199
For Baumgartner.
1009
00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:04.989
But Dubois has done her part and gets the win.
1010
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.769
Now let's skip back to the North American continent. Let's
1011
00:46:07.789 --> 00:46:10.829
skip to Guadalajara, Mexico. We did not talk about this
1012
00:46:10.949 --> 00:46:15.679
in the preview mode, but Mauricio Lara and Carlos Ornelas.
1013
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.619
Um, it was only a two round fight, but we
1014
00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:22.559
had a lot in less than two rounds in this fight.
1015
00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:24.559
This was a fun fight. I mean, first of all,
1016
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.590
Mauricio Lara is always in fun fights. He's the former
1017
00:46:27.909 --> 00:46:30.929
WBA featherweight, uh, title holder. He was, you know, with
1018
00:46:31.050 --> 00:46:34.409
the match room, had some fights that were fun. He fought,
1019
00:46:34.789 --> 00:46:36.730
you know, the, the, the fights with Lee wood and,
1020
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:38.800
and the guys like that. And, you know, that was
1021
00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:41.420
at featherweight. He's been over the last little bit. He's
1022
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.719
been fighting in Mexico, making a comeback now fighting at
1023
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.739
130 pounds, but always exciting. Um, he hasn't had high
1024
00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:50.829
profile fights so far in terms of those fights. A
1025
00:46:50.869 --> 00:46:53.349
lot of them have wound up on like ESPN knockout,
1026
00:46:53.389 --> 00:46:56.969
which gets simulcast on ESPN deport days in the United States.
1027
00:46:56.989 --> 00:46:59.369
So you can find them on YouTube, YouTube. And since
1028
00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:01.730
I'm kind of a junkie like that, I always enjoy
1029
00:47:02.190 --> 00:47:04.679
checking those, uh, those fights out, those little smaller fights
1030
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.300
in Mexico, if I can find them. Um, so ever
1031
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:09.980
since you go back to when he lost against Lee
1032
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.190
wood in their rematch, that was in 2023, he had a,
1033
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.460
a draw in his next fight. But ever since then
1034
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.440
he's won, uh, four fights in a row by knockout
1035
00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:20.940
going into this fight. Now he's got five wins in
1036
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.820
a row by knockout, again, not against top opponents, but
1037
00:47:23.860 --> 00:47:26.719
not against bums either for the most part. Uh, so
1038
00:47:27.260 --> 00:47:29.000
this was a matter of, okay, he's back. This is
1039
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.059
one of the matchroom cards. They do half, you know,
1040
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:35.159
handful of these shows, uh, uh, per year in Mexico.
1041
00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:37.480
They work with their partners, box stars, which is one
1042
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.949
of the top promoters in Mexico in Guadalajara. And they
1043
00:47:40.010 --> 00:47:41.989
usually put on entertaining cards. I mean, they may not
1044
00:47:42.010 --> 00:47:44.679
have big names, uh, And this was sort of similar.
1045
00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:46.719
Mauricio Lara is one of the bigger names, I guess,
1046
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.440
that has been on recently because of the fact that
1047
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.079
he has a reputation as a former champion in making
1048
00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:54.860
exciting fights. But anyway, his fight with Carlos Ornelas, man,
1049
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.800
for two rounds, just a wicked shootout. I mean, they
1050
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.449
were both down in the first round. I mean, it's
1051
00:48:01.469 --> 00:48:04.050
super exciting. And Lara comes back and gets the big
1052
00:48:04.090 --> 00:48:06.329
knockout in the second round. And there was all kinds
1053
00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:09.050
of mayhem in between. Just a very, very fun fight.
1054
00:48:09.269 --> 00:48:12.849
If you got six or eight minutes, you have the zoner.
1055
00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:14.630
find that on YouTube well worth it. And what was
1056
00:48:14.730 --> 00:48:16.889
kind of weird to me, actually, most of the time,
1057
00:48:16.909 --> 00:48:20.389
these cards on DAZN are exclusive to DAZN. This card
1058
00:48:20.429 --> 00:48:24.090
was on DAZN. But ESPN Deportes in the United States
1059
00:48:24.690 --> 00:48:27.280
took the DAZN feed and had their own Spanish language
1060
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.239
announcers because I was confused. Like, that's very, very unusual.
1061
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:31.980
So I DVR'd it just to see what was up.
1062
00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:33.739
As it turned out, what I watched.
1063
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.340
In English- That was your man Chava Rodriguez on the
1064
00:48:35.380 --> 00:48:36.360
call on Deportes.
1065
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.960
Correct. So they had on DAZN, they had like, you know,
1066
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.960
the regular broadcasters that do them in English. Corey Erdman
1067
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:48.449
and Gabriel Rosado. And then the Spanish language guys had
1068
00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:51.030
it on in Spanish for the United States audience in
1069
00:48:51.050 --> 00:48:54.250
Spanish on Deportes. But anyway, very fun fight. Worth watching
1070
00:48:54.289 --> 00:48:56.309
it for a handful of minutes. And the main thing
1071
00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:58.409
here is Lara gets the win. And he's right there
1072
00:48:58.429 --> 00:49:01.190
in position with a handful of wins now at 130
1073
00:49:01.190 --> 00:49:03.989
pounds to put himself in a spot. If somebody offers
1074
00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:05.860
him a title fight, he would not be a ridiculous
1075
00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:08.099
opponent for any of the guys in that division. He's
1076
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.039
going to make a good fight. He's going to bring
1077
00:49:10.059 --> 00:49:12.119
the pressure, bring the power, bring the entertainment.
1078
00:49:13.110 --> 00:49:16.519
Bronco Laura with the win. Man, we've spent some time
1079
00:49:16.579 --> 00:49:19.329
on the recaps. There's not a ton of news, except
1080
00:49:19.349 --> 00:49:22.119
there was a rollout. call of fight announcements during the
1081
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:26.500
broadcast of the Atama Hergovich, not by coincidence here. They
1082
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:30.170
actually called Daniel Dubois and Fabio Wardley into the ring
1083
00:49:30.250 --> 00:49:32.690
and announced the official date and the details of the
1084
00:49:32.929 --> 00:49:38.190
wbo heavyweight title highly anticipated rematch this is arguably the
1085
00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:40.429
fight of the year to this point i didn't ask
1086
00:49:40.469 --> 00:49:45.460
you this earlier would you now put this hergovich upset
1087
00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:47.679
of itama and the circumstances in which it happened would
1088
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.159
you put that in front of uh the worldly dubois
1089
00:49:51.219 --> 00:49:53.239
fight or would you still have worldly and dubois right
1090
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.639
now as we end august i.
1091
00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:56.460
Would definitely not put it in front of it if
1092
00:49:56.500 --> 00:49:58.730
you tell me uh later in the year when you
1093
00:49:58.750 --> 00:50:00.849
start talking about the top fights of the year, you
1094
00:50:00.869 --> 00:50:04.750
want to include Hergovich against, uh, Utama on your list.
1095
00:50:04.829 --> 00:50:07.369
That's reasonable. It is not the fight of the year.
1096
00:50:07.429 --> 00:50:09.210
People get a lot of, they get so excited in
1097
00:50:09.230 --> 00:50:12.309
the moment. They forget about other things that have already happened. Uh,
1098
00:50:12.510 --> 00:50:14.050
I'm not sure it's in the top three or four
1099
00:50:14.070 --> 00:50:15.190
fights of the year so far. It was a lot
1100
00:50:15.210 --> 00:50:17.929
of drama. It was certainly entertaining, but, uh, it was
1101
00:50:17.989 --> 00:50:19.670
not to me anyway, does not rise to the level
1102
00:50:19.710 --> 00:50:23.409
of the fight of the year. Daniel Dubois against Fabio
1103
00:50:23.429 --> 00:50:26.670
Worley does rise to that occasion. After that loss, uh,
1104
00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:30.630
Fabio Wardley exercises right to a rematch pretty much right away.
1105
00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:32.309
And I think he had like 30 days. I think
1106
00:50:32.329 --> 00:50:34.989
he exercises rights in like three hours or, you know, whatever.
1107
00:50:35.730 --> 00:50:38.440
But anyway, so I had reported probably a couple of
1108
00:50:38.460 --> 00:50:41.199
weeks ago that October 17th would be the date. And
1109
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.139
in fact, that will be the date. Originally, they were
1110
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.639
looking to do it in Manchester. But as it turned,
1111
00:50:45.699 --> 00:50:47.460
which is where the first fight was at the Co-op Live,
1112
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.659
that was back in May. They're going to anyway do
1113
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.150
this rematch will take place at the O2, which is
1114
00:50:53.210 --> 00:50:55.030
where this fight was on Saturday. So they called him
1115
00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:57.210
in the ring. As you mentioned, they did a face-off.
1116
00:50:58.010 --> 00:51:00.530
They spoke a little bit about the fight. And look, it's,
1117
00:51:01.469 --> 00:51:03.940
you know, it's going to be another interesting matchup. I mean, sometimes,
1118
00:51:04.460 --> 00:51:06.980
you know, it's hit or miss. Sometimes the rematches are
1119
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:10.559
just as good or better. Sometimes they're oftentimes not as good.
1120
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.400
But I suspect that the type of fights that these
1121
00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:16.590
guys make, like it's hard to imagine Wardley and Dubois
1122
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:18.869
in this kind of fight not making it something entertaining.
1123
00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:20.449
Whether it once again be the fight of the year,
1124
00:51:20.969 --> 00:51:23.010
you know, that'd be hard to predict and hard to,
1125
00:51:23.030 --> 00:51:24.590
you know, That'd have to really rise.
1126
00:51:24.650 --> 00:51:27.820
And I'll say this too. Was that March? Help me.
1127
00:51:27.860 --> 00:51:32.019
When was the, it's now May. So we're coming back
1128
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.000
five months later and I'm not being hyperbolic. He took
1129
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.679
a brutal beating in that fight. And now we're going
1130
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:43.239
to fight again. Not like, not like Wardley did the
1131
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.119
last four or five rounds of that fight. I'm just
1132
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.889
saying to you, one of them took much more damage
1133
00:51:49.070 --> 00:51:51.230
and I am concerned that it's only five months later,
1134
00:51:51.590 --> 00:51:53.409
but they're going to have the fight in October.
1135
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.400
So here we go with that one. We don't have
1136
00:51:56.420 --> 00:51:58.039
to wait long. October 17th.
1137
00:51:58.059 --> 00:52:00.340
That'll headline the show. It'll be, I'm sure, they didn't
1138
00:52:00.380 --> 00:52:02.840
announce this part of it, but I would guarantee it'll
1139
00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:05.210
be a part of your DAZN Ultimate or a pay-per-view
1140
00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:09.210
for sure, similar to the first one. And, you know,
1141
00:52:09.250 --> 00:52:12.469
Frank Warren now, he is the promoter for three of
1142
00:52:12.510 --> 00:52:15.090
the four heavyweight title holders. You know, he's the, well,
1143
00:52:15.110 --> 00:52:16.559
he would have been, he has a Tama and he
1144
00:52:16.579 --> 00:52:19.719
has Harkovic. He's the promoter of Dubois and Wardley. So
1145
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.429
that's the WBO title. He's the promoter for Cabello. who's
1146
00:52:22.449 --> 00:52:24.570
got the WBC title. And as he said after the fight,
1147
00:52:25.469 --> 00:52:27.550
once these other fights that are on the books get
1148
00:52:27.570 --> 00:52:29.309
taken care of, the idea is to have all these
1149
00:52:29.329 --> 00:52:31.050
guys fight each other and, as he said, find out
1150
00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:35.460
who's the best. So once Sanchez and Hergovich handle their business,
1151
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.300
whatever happens in this rematch between Fabio Wardley and Dubois,
1152
00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:42.280
they will have another fight that's not set yet, but
1153
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:43.659
he will fight before the end of the year. They'll
1154
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.030
do a fight for Cabell. And once those are done,
1155
00:52:46.570 --> 00:52:49.369
the guys that emerge, I would hope that when we
1156
00:52:49.389 --> 00:52:51.219
hit next year, you know, at least we'll see at
1157
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.000
least one, maybe two unification fights among those different fighters.
1158
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.090
They also announced shortly after that, Joshua Boazzi, Willie Hutchinson,
1159
00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:03.130
and they will rematch for the vacant WBC light heavyweight
1160
00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:03.570
title fight.
1161
00:53:03.590 --> 00:53:04.590
It'll be the interim title.
1162
00:53:04.610 --> 00:53:08.170
The interim title fight. Give me the deets on that rematch.
1163
00:53:08.469 --> 00:53:10.309
So I assume they're making this for the interim title,
1164
00:53:10.329 --> 00:53:13.010
which actually in some way does make some sense as
1165
00:53:13.070 --> 00:53:16.309
much as the interim titles annoy me. Because presently, David
1166
00:53:16.329 --> 00:53:20.769
Benavidez is the WBC light heavyweight champion, which... He really
1167
00:53:20.829 --> 00:53:22.989
should no longer have the option to have the two
1168
00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:27.969
titles in the same or to have titles in two
1169
00:53:28.030 --> 00:53:30.900
different divisions. I mean, you know, he got to at
1170
00:53:30.940 --> 00:53:32.320
some point you got to make up your mind. That's
1171
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.760
just the general rules of boxing, regardless of the organization.
1172
00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:39.500
So he holds that WBC light heavyweight title. Most people
1173
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.900
believe there's zero chance he will return to that division
1174
00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:44.110
and make that weight. He has two of the titles
1175
00:53:44.630 --> 00:53:49.250
in the cruiserweight division. And so, you know, he's probably
1176
00:53:49.269 --> 00:53:51.489
going to stay there. They're making plans for his next
1177
00:53:51.550 --> 00:53:53.329
fight in that weight class. So he's not going to
1178
00:53:53.369 --> 00:53:55.449
box at the light heavyweight division now for quite a while.
1179
00:53:55.969 --> 00:53:58.670
So in essence, even though this is officially at the
1180
00:53:58.710 --> 00:54:01.519
moment an interim title fight, you can pretty much take
1181
00:54:01.539 --> 00:54:03.079
it to the bank that the guy who wins this
1182
00:54:03.099 --> 00:54:07.039
fight ultimately will be elevated to the WBC's full light
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heavyweight title holder. So if you go back, TJ, to
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September 21st, 2024, they fought to a split decision in London.
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And that was for the vacant WBO interim title at
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the time. Now they're making the rounds and they're fighting
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00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:23.989
for the vacant WBC interim title. But they're two of
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00:54:24.050 --> 00:54:28.130
the better light heavyweight contenders. They both fought some decent guys.
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Their first fight was awfully close, as I said, a
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split decision. Hutchinson got knocked down in that fight. It
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00:54:33.989 --> 00:54:37.469
was a pretty damn good fight. He went on after
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that fight. Boazzi lost the interim title in the next fight. Remember,
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00:54:40.780 --> 00:54:44.710
he had that spectacular fight against Callum Smith. that most
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00:54:44.750 --> 00:54:47.750
people didn't see because it was like the first fight
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of the main card on one of those 14-hour Riyadh seasons.
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The Saudi Arabia cards, I remember, yes.
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Most people missed it, but that was one of the
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great fights of 2025.
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In the United States, we were all having brunch while
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that fight was going on, yes.
1201
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So he did bounce back from that in November to
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get himself a solid win, although close in a majority
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decision against Zach Parker. So he'll go into this Hutchinson fight.
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It's going to take place on November 7th. It's going
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to be in Manchester. But he will not have fought
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for 53 weeks, which is just bizarre to me why
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he'd be off that. He's, to my knowledge, not injured,
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not in a promotional beef, not in a managerial problem.
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You know, he's not waiting on a mandatory fight. And
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00:55:28.250 --> 00:55:31.449
sometimes guys get, you know, sidetracked and sit out because
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they're waiting for their opportunity. I really don't have an
1212
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understanding of why Buasi has not fought for what will
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00:55:37.230 --> 00:55:39.090
be going on a year or a little longer than
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00:55:39.110 --> 00:55:41.969
a year, frankly, by the time he gets in the ring. Now, Hutchinson...
1215
00:55:42.019 --> 00:55:44.570
who was like the greatest amateur, they say, in the
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00:55:44.610 --> 00:55:47.590
history of Scotland. But as a professional, he's not quite
1217
00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:49.690
lived up to that, even though he's good. He's 20
1218
00:55:49.690 --> 00:55:54.650
wins with two losses. He's won two fights in a
1219
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row since he had that very close loss to Boazzi
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in 2024. And now he's getting a chance not only
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to fight for a version of a world title in
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the interim belt, but also to get revenge for one
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of the defeats that he has suffered. So from that standpoint,
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You know, solid fight, has some stakes. Two of the
1225
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:14.900
guys who I would put, like, in the lower part
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of the top 10 in the light heavyweight division. Two Brits,
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one a black guy, one a white guy. I mean,
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it's got a lot going for it. They'll sell some tickets.
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Hopefully it'll be a good fight. And that will headline,
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as I said, that card in November on DAZN.
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00:56:28.650 --> 00:56:31.489
November 7th on that one. And one more fight announced,
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and we've got to wait longer for this. Anthony Kasachi
1233
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and Nick Ball will fight for the WBA junior division.
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lightweight championship give me the details that were announced.
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00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:43.789
Now this is an interesting fight to me for a
1236
00:56:43.829 --> 00:56:48.150
few different reasons number one kasachi who was really considered
1237
00:56:48.210 --> 00:56:50.380
by most people to be just like a regular type
1238
00:56:50.389 --> 00:56:52.409
fighter for a long time who would make a good
1239
00:56:52.469 --> 00:56:55.320
fight but didn't necessarily see him as a world champion
1240
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.639
i personally didn't have much of an opinion one way
1241
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or the other to be honest because i hadn't really
1242
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.780
seen a lot of them but if you now take
1243
00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:02.320
a look at what he's done over the last few
1244
00:57:02.340 --> 00:57:05.059
years he's actually developed pretty damn good resume when you
1245
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.530
look at the guys he is defeated i mean In 2020,
1246
00:57:08.510 --> 00:57:10.329
he got a win against Michael Magnesi, who a lot
1247
00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:13.369
of people have high regard for these days. He beat
1248
00:57:13.389 --> 00:57:16.110
Joe Cordina. That was a big win. He stopped Cordina.
1249
00:57:16.150 --> 00:57:18.909
That was when he won one of the belts. He
1250
00:57:18.949 --> 00:57:22.409
has the win over Josh Warrington, who was a formidable
1251
00:57:22.449 --> 00:57:24.929
fighter for quite a while. He beat Lee Wood back
1252
00:57:24.989 --> 00:57:28.329
in 2025. And then earlier this year, he knocked out
1253
00:57:28.730 --> 00:57:32.550
Jazza Dickens to win the WBA 130-pound title. And now
1254
00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:35.110
he's taking on Nick Ball, an accomplished fighter in terms
1255
00:57:35.130 --> 00:57:37.739
of as a featherweight where he held the WBA. uh,
1256
00:57:37.769 --> 00:57:40.610
the WBC or the WB, I forget which title he held, whatever.
1257
00:57:40.630 --> 00:57:41.730
He held one of the titles.
1258
00:57:41.750 --> 00:57:43.769
He had the WBA featherweight title.
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00:57:43.789 --> 00:57:46.090
Yes. Okay. That's what it was. So he's on a
1260
00:57:46.110 --> 00:57:49.590
very good run. So he's facing Nick Ball, who's, uh,
1261
00:57:50.130 --> 00:57:52.030
you know, been in some exciting, entertaining fights, been a
1262
00:57:52.070 --> 00:57:54.530
good draw where he comes from up in, uh, Liverpool, England.
1263
00:57:54.929 --> 00:57:58.789
He's got the very controversial draw against, uh, Ray Vargas
1264
00:57:58.809 --> 00:58:00.650
when he challenged him for the WBC featherweight title. That's
1265
00:58:00.670 --> 00:58:03.469
why I said WBC. That was a Riyadh card back
1266
00:58:03.510 --> 00:58:07.309
in 2024. Um, And he has a draw. That was
1267
00:58:07.329 --> 00:58:09.710
the draw. And in his last fight, he suffered the loss.
1268
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This was a tremendous fight, a really good fight. He
1269
00:58:13.210 --> 00:58:16.789
headlined in Liverpool. He got knocked out in what was
1270
00:58:16.849 --> 00:58:19.510
a terrific fight by Brandon Figueroa in the 12th round.
1271
00:58:20.449 --> 00:58:23.300
And Brandon won that belt. And so he decided, like
1272
00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:24.860
a lot of guys do, you lose your title in
1273
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:26.760
your weight class and you move up in weight. The
1274
00:58:26.780 --> 00:58:29.139
thing about Nick Ball moving up in weight, though, he's
1275
00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:32.139
such a small guy. Like, he'll put the five pounds
1276
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on to go from 120... from 126 to 134 pounds
1277
00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:39.400
to move up in weight class, but he's still only.
1278
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:42.800
5'2.
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00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.449
When a guy like that moves up, you've got to
1280
00:58:45.489 --> 00:58:49.750
kind of question. Here's the thing. All of the opponents
1281
00:58:49.789 --> 00:58:51.730
he faces are going to be bigger than him primarily,
1282
00:58:52.409 --> 00:58:56.030
but at 5'2, he's taking on a southpaw who's 5'10,
1283
00:58:56.289 --> 00:59:00.909
in Kasace. Now, Kasace's not a big puncher, but he's
1284
00:59:00.929 --> 00:59:03.349
still a much bigger man. He's been on a great run.
1285
00:59:03.369 --> 00:59:05.449
He's a little older at 37. Nick Wall is still
1286
00:59:05.469 --> 00:59:09.199
a younger man, obviously. So there is definitely some intrigue
1287
00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:11.219
in that fight. They're going to do an adult fast,
1288
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.800
which will be obviously a crazy crowd and rooting for Kasachi,
1289
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:17.500
who's the Irishman going into this. You know, he'll have
1290
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.960
the hometown behind him. So basically what Frank Warren is
1291
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.780
doing is looking at my roster, seeing my championship level guys,
1292
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and we're making fights. That's all you can ask a
1293
00:59:25.610 --> 00:59:27.730
promoter to do. Every single one of those fights they
1294
00:59:27.769 --> 00:59:33.739
announce on paper is competitive. Boazzi and Hutchinson have already
1295
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.440
fought once. It was a very close split decision. Fabio
1296
00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:40.840
Wardley in the fight that he had, you know, they
1297
00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:44.179
went to battle. Highly competitive fight. Both guys down. Dubois
1298
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.039
was down. Yeah. That seems like it's a leader for
1299
00:59:47.059 --> 00:59:49.260
fight of the year, and they make a rematch. Kasace
1300
00:59:49.670 --> 00:59:51.530
on a great run. Nick Ball obviously has the loss,
1301
00:59:51.550 --> 00:59:54.349
but a very good name. Exciting fighter. They're just making fights.
1302
00:59:54.409 --> 00:59:56.269
They're just churning them out. Frank Warren right now is
1303
00:59:56.329 --> 00:59:58.809
on a tremendous run, both in terms of what they're making,
1304
00:59:59.610 --> 01:00:01.559
at heavyweight because of all the heavyweights they're involved in.
1305
01:00:01.909 --> 01:00:03.570
And even when you go below the heavyweight division, they
1306
01:00:03.610 --> 01:00:05.250
just got one solid fight after another.
1307
01:00:06.909 --> 01:00:07.389
Okay.
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01:00:07.550 --> 01:00:11.360
We gave you a bunch there on the upcoming fights.
1309
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.940
We gave you a ton on the recaps of all
1310
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:17.739
of this. Cannot overstate this. This is why we love boxing.
1311
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.920
And this is why we love having you as the
1312
01:00:18.980 --> 01:00:23.239
fans engaged with us on here, because I mean, there
1313
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.119
is not a really another sport, like something like combat
1314
01:00:26.139 --> 01:00:29.849
sports where you, You can be down eight rounds to
1315
01:00:29.989 --> 01:00:33.809
none and reverse it and find a way to pull
1316
01:00:33.849 --> 01:00:37.599
it out and win. The scoreboard, the score doesn't really matter.
1317
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.719
A knockout, a stoppage, and even the final round can
1318
01:00:41.739 --> 01:00:43.650
be the stoppage that settles it. In this case, it
1319
01:00:43.670 --> 01:00:46.250
was the ninth round for Filip Hergovich, an all-time win
1320
01:00:46.710 --> 01:00:50.480
in the lore of heavyweight wrestling. it goes as an
1321
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.519
all-time win because he's the first Croatian. They were talking
1322
01:00:53.539 --> 01:00:56.579
about this. Goran Ivanovic is the tennis hero, the Wimbledon
1323
01:00:56.619 --> 01:00:58.409
champion and well-known.
1324
01:00:58.449 --> 01:01:00.369
Tony Kukoc, you know your NBA.
1325
01:01:00.730 --> 01:01:04.409
Tony Kukoc was the basketball hero of those Croatian national
1326
01:01:04.449 --> 01:01:07.269
teams and went with the Chicago Bulls and helped them
1327
01:01:07.650 --> 01:01:10.739
with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen win championships. Those are
1328
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.320
sporting heroes in Croatia, and Hergovic is now with them
1329
01:01:14.380 --> 01:01:17.119
as the heavyweight boxing champion after what went on the
1330
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:17.460
other night.
1331
01:01:17.789 --> 01:01:19.630
And in case you were worried, don't worry. I've got
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01:01:19.670 --> 01:01:20.730
some programs on the way.
1333
01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:24.030
You do? Yes. Programs, plural.
1334
01:01:24.090 --> 01:01:24.949
Of course.
1335
01:01:25.150 --> 01:01:26.650
Are you looking to wheel and deal?
1336
01:01:26.670 --> 01:01:29.769
I always get a few programs. I always use them
1337
01:01:29.789 --> 01:01:30.670
for trade purposes.
1338
01:01:32.030 --> 01:01:33.429
Let's just say there's not going to be a lot
1339
01:01:33.449 --> 01:01:36.949
of people collecting that are in England after that the
1340
01:01:36.969 --> 01:01:38.929
other night. A night they would like to forget. I mean,
1341
01:01:38.949 --> 01:01:41.139
that's another part of this. We didn't talk as much
1342
01:01:41.179 --> 01:01:42.510
about that, and we're going to go here in a second.
1343
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:46.130
I mean, to have that kind of deflating night... where
1344
01:01:46.170 --> 01:01:48.449
it was supposed to be so electric, he's supposed to
1345
01:01:48.489 --> 01:01:50.989
win the title, he's the next great thing, and the
1346
01:01:51.050 --> 01:01:53.050
next great thing's in a crumpled heap and they're having
1347
01:01:53.070 --> 01:01:54.230
to carry him out of the ring.
1348
01:01:54.869 --> 01:01:56.690
It's not the first time that's happened. It won't be
1349
01:01:56.730 --> 01:01:57.070
the last.
1350
01:01:57.340 --> 01:01:59.070
Wild. That's why we love boxing.
1351
01:01:59.110 --> 01:02:01.639
Big Dan, have a good week. We're into a brand
1352
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.159
new month. Katie Taylor, Fight Week. Again, hear her on
1353
01:02:04.179 --> 01:02:07.139
the pod feed. Also, see the interview upcoming on the
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01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.219
YouTube page as well, the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.
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01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:13.039
Big Dan, have a good week. We appreciate it as always.
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01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:14.380
You too, TJ. Thank you, sir.
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01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:17.190
Fight Freaks Unite is the sub stack in the newsletter.
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01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:18.570
There he goes.
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01:02:18.670 --> 01:02:21.269
I'm merely TJ Reeves. Follow, subscribe on this pod feed,
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01:02:21.389 --> 01:02:25.190
Apple Spreaker, Spotify. We come your way. Recapping coming off
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01:02:25.210 --> 01:02:27.000
the weekend. You've been with us on the Fight Freaks
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01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:27.940
Unite recap podcast.