Michael Kamphuis

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Now on to the show.
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Are you kidding me?
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Life changing.
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Life changing.
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So good.
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Nice.
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Esteban, that dude can play anything.
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I mean, like, just perfection.
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I mean, when I start with a trumpet player, you know that's saying something.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I didn't, although I have to admit, all I watched was the tuba players.
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I mean, like, Miles and I were elbowing each other, like, hey, just grab the F.
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That's the firebird.
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Yeah, we're we're geeks, but it was fun.
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Mickey sounded great.
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Oh man, we got a big hug at the end and got to talk and brought brought Gene Picorney a cherry pie from Norskinook.
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Sponsor, not a sponsor.
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Should be a sponsor.
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I'm gonna look into that.
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That'd be a good sponsor.
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Gene got that cherry pie and he just went, oh my.
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Oh, you're serious.
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Oh no, like for a minute, he's like, you don't know what this means.
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Like Actually, I do, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten that for you.
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Oh my, this is this is something.
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I love it.
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Anyway, yeah, that was a good time.
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And then um it only to be outdone by one other ensemble, and that is uh Phil's band.
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It sounded great last night.
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His microphone skills not so much, but the band made up.
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How about his Valve Trombone solo?
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Was that good?
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No, he said he lost it next time.
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Yeah.
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That's why I gave him a donation.
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Phil?
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Uh hey, I have seen a lot of the Gleason family uh this year.
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One could say too much.
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I've I've seen a lot of them.
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And uh it's it's a great thing.
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Great thing.
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A lot more.
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We're moving in.
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So we're down to the case.
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Moorhead's uh high school just won the state hockey.
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I don't think we can all fit.
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I don't think double overtime.
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Moorhead did win.
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Double overtime.
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Did win this the state the state hockey tournament.
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It's pretty exciting.
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Two years in a row now.
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That it did.
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Yes.
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And it's a little disappointing that last year they beat um the Stillwater ponies.
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That's uh was not not a preferred outcome last year.
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I'll write that down.
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Yeah, still ponies.
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I know.
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I know, right?
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I had so many things they could be, but they're the ponies.
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Just the little horse.
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Like, who picked the pony?
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The only thing works would be like the starfish or something.
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I mean, like ponies.
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So Peter Oh no, here come the ponies.
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Run, fear the ponies.
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I'll put a sound effect in there, and that'll be good.
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Keep going.
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We're potatoes, so that doesn't matter.
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Or corn.
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We're nothing but vegetables up here.
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Uh yeah.
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Did you see like uh on the on the broadcast?
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There's the potato, the guy somebody dressed up as a potato.
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I like it.
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That was good.
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Uh Lydia was at the championship game last night.
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Oh.
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She was there.
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She got some extra extra tickets from somebody, right?
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That's good.
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Um I was not.
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I was conducting and listening to a fine concert.
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The home concert's done.
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How was tour?
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Tour was absolutely fabulous.
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Um I uh our tours have changed for the our our one commuter listening.
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Uh that pretty much everywhere we stop, we do some sort of side-by-side type experience.
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And I have really grown to enjoy the tours way, way more because of that fact.
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That's nice to get out and perform, but it uh to develop and cultivate some relationships with students and perhaps encourage them to perform further past high school or from middle school into high school, that that is a worthy endeavor.
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You know, you can't do it enough.
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Um we had a lot of really wonderful hosts, a lot of people that sort of took a took us in for you know a period of time or two hours and then watched my ensemble devour like boxes of pizza in literally like eight minutes flat.
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No, it's beautiful.
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Who can down 20 boxes of pizza in eight minutes?
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College kids.
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Yes.
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Those were the question for you.
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I'm wondering, have you have you developed any are there any sort of plans in place for a pajama uh sponsor for the podcast?
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It seems like we ought to have one.
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We ought to have one.
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So this this uh place the pies that we gotta reach out to them.
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I think we just need to reach out.
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What are the best pajamas?
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Who do I have to contact about the best pajamas?
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Uh Eddie Bauer?
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You sure?
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Seems like a fine sabbatical endeavor.
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I'll look into that.
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I'll do some research on my sabbatical.
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I might look into Black and Decker.
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Best men's pajamas.
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Yeah.
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Or there's that clothing section when you walk into Menards, you know what I'm talking about, right?
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That's our level.
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We should go with Menards.
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Start tested by men's health entry level.
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Best men's pajamas.
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Here we go.
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You got there.
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Yeah, commuters tuning in for hot information.
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Hot information.
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Just very important stuff here.
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Tested.
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Land's end.
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Land's end.
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It's too nice.
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Tommy Johns.
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We need to be the sponsor.
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Cozy Earth.
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Corduroy Count Rack.
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Brooks Brothers.
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Corduroy pajamas.
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I don't think Brooks Brothers is going to sponsor us.
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I can't believe you're actually taking time to look at the bottom.
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You don't seem to be doing anything else.
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Hey, we also got a chance to Yeah, I am doing stuff.
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You know what I did?
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I wrote a new tagline for us.
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Okay, get a load of that.
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You didn't run it by us.
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Oh no, this is good.
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Here we go.
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Welcome to Beyond Artless, the podcast where artistry meets authenticity, where we go beyond the surface into the craft, the calling, and the stories that shape extraordinary creative lives.
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Okay, that's actually pretty good, except for the reading.
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You use beyond twice.
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You have to like we go beyond the notes, we go be we go deeper, we go further.
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No, yeah.
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How about just like beyond the banter?
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We don't.
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That's I mean, that would be awesome.
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People tune in for this part.
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I want to change my name to Klaus.
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Uh Chris, tell me your favorite thing about Phil's tour program and the band and the experience you saw.
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Or did you were you at the home concert?
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Were you at the home concert?
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Home concert.
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Home concert.
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Usually sometimes he does make an appearance at a tour performance, and uh it's usually a mildly embarrassing experience for me.
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Mostly.
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Not this year.
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Mostly embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Really?
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You know, like I noticed, I've never seen him on the march, especially he was going like this.
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He's like, second inning, we gotta get out.
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Second ending.
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That was good.
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That's my my favorite moment.
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That was nice.
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By reaction time, I held up two fingers for most of the last drain.
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I've had that I've had that moment.
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I've had that moment.
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I in rehearsal I hold it, you know, way up here, you know, a foot above my head.
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Um, but in the concert, I felt like maybe that would send a message that I didn't need to.
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One of our guests in the chat has told me that the Tommy Johns um pajamas are the best, and so we're gonna have to talk about that more a little bit later.
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Okay.
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I mean, I they I still don't think they'll be our sponsor, but if I need to get new pajamas, now's the time to order.
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I'm only halfway through this.
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I gotta I gotta commit to somebody.
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Wow.
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This is uh slowly crashing.
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So we're gonna have we met since we were all together at the Encore concert.
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Oh, that's true.
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Look at the concert.
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But we previewed, remember, because we did it before the concert, but we said that we had gone to the concert.
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It was great.
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So that's okay.
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Let's go back to the Let's let's take let's take a minute uh to talk about the Encore concert.
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I think we should.
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We should talk about that.
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Uh I I had forgotten that Peter is somewhat like a trapped animal for at least an hour before any concert.
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Yep.
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And there's not caffeine needed.
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It's just a I'm all in on the focus and the energy, trying to put it to good use so that it doesn't just explode.
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I am not a person that usually gets done with a concert and is like, man, that was great.
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And minus me screwing up in the one piece, I felt that that concert went really, really well.
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I thought the audience really enjoyed it.
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Yeah.
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I had like four people text me after that concert.
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Like that was really and I was like, oh, something was right.
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Which was good.
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It was fun.
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Steve Campbell sounded great, great venue.
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Sounded good.
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It was a good venue.
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Yeah, that was fun.
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Yeah.
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Good programming.
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Yeah.
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That's awesome.
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Pete Peter, you do a good job with those people in that group.
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You do.
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They make a nice sound.
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They make a nice sound.
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Yep.
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But you shape them, which is hard with cranky old adults.
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Don't tell me what it's like.
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They're always right.
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That's right.
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Don't don't don't put me in a corner.
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I can play louder.
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The tubas were nice even in the ensemble.
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I was in the middle of a clinic this week and I I stopped a group for a minute and I just was quiet.
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I said, you know, trumpets, it's not a competition.
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Oh, it is.
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It's always a competition.
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It could be a competition.
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It always means a competition.
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It's not because I've already won.
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That's why it's not a competition.
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That's all.
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That's what the trumpets will be.
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Okay.
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Here we go.
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I'm pivoting because we gotta go.
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We got important people here.
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50 people in a band room.
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I mean, good golly.
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All right, here we go.
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The person, our guest this evening, used to run a business under the stage name of DJMK.
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This person worked in a pit crew as a gas and tire man.
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That's I want that job.
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This person won.
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Yeah, this is more impressive.
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They won their third grade spelling B.
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I know we've got one up.
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Wow, file one.
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Okay, this will this will get you.
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Moonlighted as a ring announcer for ultimate fighting.
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Wow.
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That's awesome.
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These are very strong.
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Write that down.
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We got to come.
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This is great.
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What a life.
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And now they're in music.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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This person resides in Schoolcraft, Michigan with his wife Sarah and two daughters, Sadie and Nora.
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Born and raised in Kenosha, Wisconsin, is among this person's accolades.
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In 2018, he received the Distinguished Alumni Award for Achievement from the University of Wisconsin at Parkside.
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Oh.
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In 2016, this person received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Elkhart Jazz Festival and the Distinguished Service Award from the Historically Black Colleges and Universities National Band Directors Consortium.
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He was part of the advocacy effort that helped pass the Every Student Succeeds Act bill in December of 2015.
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He has held many different positions within the company that he works for.
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I'll just give you a few titles.
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Accessories Product Manager, Product Manager for Flutes, Director of Marketing for Brass, Senior Director of Product Marketing.
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Oh, and currently, he is the vice president in the Division of Education at Conn Selmer Incorporated, an Elkhart, Indiana-based music company manufacturer.
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In his role, he leads a team with the mission to create opportunities for the music industry and music education to work collaboratively in support of music education worldwide.
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Gentlemen, and I use that term loosely.
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This is Michael Campius.
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Hello, Michael.
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We met at Midwest.
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That's right.
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Absolutely.
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Picked you out of that uh beautiful spot that we had right on uh Michigan Ave there.
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Well, it's great to have you guys there.
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Good to be here with you all.
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Thanks for having me.
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Of course.
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How do you like that?
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Thanks for taking the time.
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Sorry about our banter.
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That's awkward.
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Well, there's something some about cherry pie and pajamas right now.
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I just feel like I gotta research that and really baby dude.
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I left the tab open, by the way, so I'll just get to that later.
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But yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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These are the cutting-edge things which we get deep.
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Okay, sorry.
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Yeah, this is it.
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Pit crew.
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Start.
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We're starting there.
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What what is the pit crew game?
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So so my best, my best friend growing up, Jim Capps, uh, I met him in the eighth grade, and his uncle uh was a sprint car driver.
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Uh, if you if you know anything about like World of Outlaws, those wing sprint cars on dirt tracks that go like 130 miles an hour.
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So I used to go watch it out at Wilmot Racetrack in Kenosha County there.
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And uh when I got to be 16, they allowed us to go back in the pit.
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And then one day they were shorthanded.
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His uncle turns to me and Jim and says, Hey, can one of you fill up the gas and the other one do the tire?
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And then before you know it, I ended up doing that for like the next couple years.
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It was like not just that night.
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I kind of I kind of enjoyed the rush of what was going on.
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It was something different, and uh to be kind of part of the team was was a cool thing.
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But uh uh did that did that for a couple years with with my buddy that uh whose uncle was a driver.
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So that was a good time.
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Yeah, it's awesome.
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Any one of spelling bee.
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Anyone a spelling bee and the ultimate fighting.
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Now, what's going on there?
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I mean, this is the hard-hitting journalism.
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You know, it's my my uh my college uh path was a little bit of forest gumpish, but it it was it was along that lines where when I was going to Parkside, I uh uh, you know, I have two wonderful word hardworking parents, and we had that kitchen table conversation when I was 18.
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And I said, you know, I want to be a uh band direct, I want to go into music.
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And they're like, uh, you should go into business.
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So I it's kind of like uh didn't didn't really win that uh that battle, unfortunately.
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And uh so I went into my first semester at Parkside and was in business.
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They let me keep my foot in the jazz ensemble, so I'm a trump trumpet player and uh still still get to play.
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And uh uh so I was thankful they let me keep playing.
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And um during my freshman year, uh I was working for a guy putting in security systems in like dental offices and things like that, the domes with the cameras underneath and all that.
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And he comes to me one day he says, Hey Mike, uh, you know, uh we're moving to Arizona, and my son owns this little entertainment business where he's like booking bands and and he's DJing and doing karaoke and stuff like that.
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What would you think about you know taking that over?
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And you know, here I am, 18 freshman in college.
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How do you think that's gonna sound to me?
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Yeah, that's that's a pretty yeah, I much prefer that versus you know putting in these security systems and stuff.
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So he gave me a year to pay it off.
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And this is November of my freshman year.
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I paid it off by like March.
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I just worked my tail off, and before you know it, I had my own business going.
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And this is where uh you know the ring announcing kind of comes into play too, because I started DJing all these weddings and so forth.
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Uh, one night, I'm at a gig and it's like 11:30 at night, you know, everybody's done and I'm packing up gear.
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This guy comes up to me, hey, you know, I really like your voice.
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You ever thought of ring announcing?
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And I'm like, sure, what what did you have in mind?
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You know, let's let's talk about that.
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You know, it's like, well, there's this thing coming to uh southeastern Wisconsin.
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This is back in the early uh 1996 or so.
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Uh he said, Yeah, there's this thing called Ultimate Fighting coming to Southeastern Wisconsin.
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I think you have a great voice, you'd be great for it.
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I'm like, okay, sign me up.
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Well, when is it?
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It's in a month.
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Before you know it, I'm backstages, they're signing their life away that they might get killed, and I got a tuxedo on, and I'm ready to ladies and gentlemen, out in the ring and and do it, do it.
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And uh, but yeah, it's just uh I've had a lot of unique opportunities like that come my way through just different points prior to getting into the music industry.
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So that that was just one of them.
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So I'm gonna go back to that table conversation because you just that is your life, right?
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Like you wanted to be in music and a band director, and they on the business side, and now look at you.
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Yeah, it's kind of summer education.
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Yeah, if you think about it, I bought a business to get out of business to get into music ed, too.
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Because what happened that that freshman year, my parents were so enthralled by what was happening.
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You know, they were like, wow, this is really taking off, you know.
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So I guess maybe the music path is the right way to go.
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So then I declared my music ed degree that freshman year because I I was doing so much in music.
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And uh so it kind of helped me do an end around a little bit, so to speak, by by doing that.
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And uh, you know, I did different things too.
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Like I uh got a call one day from a gentleman who's a full-scale illusionist, he's still very active, named Bill Blagg.
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And uh I had uh done his sister's wedding, and he calls me up on a Thursday saying, Hey, I got this gig on Saturday in Lake County, Illinois.
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My sound and light engineer bailed.
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You think you can help me out?
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And I'm like thinking to myself, I'm not even near a sound and light engineer, but well, what did you have in mind?
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What can I do to help?
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He's like, Well, uh, we'll do a dress rehearsal uh tonight on Thursday, and then I got a gig at College of Lake County on Saturday, you can help me out, it'll be great.
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So I show up and I'm sweating bullets because it's back in the day of like park hands and go buttons.
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There's no computerization at all, you know.
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So if I hit the wrong light at any given time, it's like magic revealed.
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And uh fortunately, I got through it, I passed the test and we did the gig, everything went great.
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So then for three, four years after that, I did probably one or two gigs a month for him, uh, where I was able to fill in time doing that as well.
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And then uh when I got to right before my fifth year of college, uh I I got sat down, I think it was that March or April, they said with the Ed program being separate from the music department, unfortunately you're gonna have to either wait a year, get your performance degree or transfer because we can't finish off this ed side of it uh in the fifth year.
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So I had to kind of figure out, you know, where where am I going with all of this?
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Uh had my own business going and so forth.
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And, you know, I had probably one of the craziest fifth years.
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And my both my parents said it was like a race to the finish line because I just took on so much.
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Uh and and I and you know, I I can kind of say that I'm still kind of like that in a way, even in my career.
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I like taking on a lot of things at the same time and and pushing things forward.
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But my fifth year of college, I was like, well, if I'm gonna finish a performance degree, because that's what I decided to do at Parkside, I uh got elected president of the student organization council.
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So they're like, here, you can have your own office on campus, and I approve budgets for 350 clubs.
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And then a couple months after that, I got approached by the activity center.
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They said, Hey, the head of the student union resigned.
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Can you run that too?
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Sure, why not?
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So I had a second office on campus, and and I was just you know doing all this stuff, and I created a year-end festival for people.
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Still doesn't even have one office on campus right now.
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No.
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Closet.
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And uh, but they they kind of gave me just you know, you you do you do you, and I created a year-end festival for the university that went on for about 12, 15 years after I left and created a lot of different activities for the university.
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Music Club had a great budget that year, by the way.
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We took care of that pretty good.
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But you know, it all goes back to quite honestly, my eighth grade band director.
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My uh in Kenosha, it was a junior high, so we had seven, eight, nine, and then ten, eleven, twelve for high school.
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Daryl Schneider was uh, you know, a big influence to me early on.
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Uh I think he retired in Appleton and left uh Kenosha not too long after I got done with junior high.
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But uh, you know, he took me under his wing in seventh grade.
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I was kind of a late bloomer compared to a lot of my friends.
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You know, they started in fifth, sixth grade, and I saw the selective in seventh grade, and either of my parents were really, you know, into music that much, and they're like, well, what does this mean, playing an instrument?
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So I remember showing up for the first session, and and Daryl Schneider throws a sousaphone on my shoulder and says, Here you go, son.
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And I'm looking at my mom, I'm like, Yeah, I'm a husky kid, and so forth.
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I was like, what about percussion or sex?
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So not too many, and then picked up the trumpet finally, and and uh that's the one I went from G to C back down and loved it.
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Took me under his wing, and uh, you know, we had seven beginners because everyone else had kind of already started.
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And by the end of that beginner year, I remember him uh coming to me and saying, you know what, Mike, I think you can be in symphonic band next year.
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So I went beginner to top band, and after that, I'm like, I love this.
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I want to keep going in music.
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So that that's really what kind of set me down that track.
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So I'm seeing a through line here.
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Uh I don't know if the other two guys have uh kind of observed this as well, but whatever you start, you tend to excel at.
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I mean, oh my goodness.
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You say yes way too often.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And you you just figured out how to get it done.
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I like that.
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Yeah, it sounds to me like a fabulous blend of uh of uh curiosity and uh just work ethic and grind, you know.
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I uh I uh which uh what do you describe it more as?
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The curiosity part or the hard hard work part?
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For me, I think it's a little of both.
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I like the variety of different things.
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And you know, I I learned, I think, early on that you know, if something seems impossible, I've never I've never used the word impossible.
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It's always kind of like I I always start at, you know, let's figure this out.
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You know, I I think there's a way to make this happen.
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And I've always just kind of had that attitude, like um, even though it might not be, you know, something that I know how to do right now, can I learn?
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Is it something I can help with?
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Is it something I can make it make it good, you know?
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And and uh I think the the not saying no, you know, I I find myself, I have I have two daughters, 17 and and 10, and I find myself with my junior in high school teaching her how to say no because she's got a little bit of that DNA being passed on, and it's like, you know, now I find that we're driving her here, there, and everywhere.
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And it's like, oh, I see, yeah.
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So the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
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In regards to taking on activities.
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But um Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I would say I love the variety and and and the learning experience you get from all those new experiences too.
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Well, it's in variety, like your different roles in Khan Selmer.
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How did you get started with Khan Somer?
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How was how how'd that all start?
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Yeah, so it after that fifth year of college, I got my performance degree, and naturally the first thing you do when you graduate is you join the Pro Bowlers tour.
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You know, that was my catalyst to it's a this is a a whole other part of my forced dump journey.
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So um I I shot my first 300 game when I was 16, and my mother was a are you are you just are you just being serious?
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This is all it's all fabricated, you know.
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I'll come up and start talking about rock bumping.
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Five minutes before the podcast.
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And this sounds good.
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Cut our banter and just put in all these stories.
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Well, you know, bowling in Wisconsin is a thing.
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You know, the headquarters is in Milwaukee.
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And uh so you know, when I was like five or six years old, my mother bowled this Thursday morning league and she would put me on the end lane while she was bowling her league.
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And before you know it, I caught on a little bit.
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And then, you know, by the time I was 12, I remember my dad get frustrated because I started beating him.
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And then by the time I got to be 15, 16, I shot my first 300 game, and then uh Parkside had a bowling team.
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So when I was running that student organization council too, we did about 15-20 tournaments and went to Las Vegas and bowled while I was doing all that other stuff as well.
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That was kind of a whole side thing during college.
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And my fifth year, I ended up winning the singles title uh in Omaha, Nebraska.
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Uh so I was kind of riding that high a little bit.
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So I'm like, all right, where do I go with this?
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So I tried the regional pro bowlers tour, and this is where the whole industry side kicks in.
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Believe it or not, this does lead to that.
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So I'm I'm six, seven months into the regional PBA tour, and you know, I'm bowling with the likes of you know Pete Weber and all these guys, and I qualified for the national tour, and to do that, I had to get a headshot for the program.
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And I remember uh there's a uh little photo studio in Kenosha called Roadie's Photoshop because this is before I could take my own headshot and send it in.
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And I'm pulling into cross traffic and I got broadsided by a station wagon about a block down from the photo studio, totaled my car.
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You know, I'm up over a stop sign.
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I remember standing on that curb staring at my total Plymouth Sundance and kicking the tires and just, you know, it was it's kind of like a two by four moment where you get hit over the head and be like, you know what, you're going in the wrong direction, young man.
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And uh I kind of took a step back and looked at life right then and said, you know, do I really want to bowl the rest of my life?
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And is that really where I'm going with all that?
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You know, and you just start kind of looking at where things align.
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And, you know, for me, it was like music is something I know I can do the rest of my life and something I want to be a part of.
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And, you know, I still had a lot of things going on with that.
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That was actually supporting my little hobby there with bowling.
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So I took a step back and I started a trumpet studio at uh Poseites Music down there in Kenosha, had about uh 15 students down there, and uh was still doing the DJ thing and still had all those other connections and kind of poured myself back into there.
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I was teaching Racine Scouts, drum and bugle chord, a little chrome domes back then, and uh really enjoyed that.
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And then I happened to be at a dinner and uh not knowing this because it was with a few colleagues and friends from the local community, across the table from me was a gentleman named Sal Cardello, and he's the he was the vice president of LeBlanc at the time.
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LeBlanc is you know a very legendary manufacturer of the music industry, now part of Con Selmer.
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So I shared with Sal my forced Gump story that I just shared with you all.
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And I remember Sal just kind of leaning back in his chair in a little bit, and he says, So, Mike, what are you doing for a day job?
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And I'm like, uh, well, well, Sal, uh nothing right now.
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You know, I have all these different things going on right now.
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Why what are you thinking?
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He's like, Well, what would you think about working at LeBlanc?
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And uh, if you know the history of LeBlanc, it's you know, Vito Pascucci, the founder, very Italian company.
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So, Sal, you know, good Sicilian guy too.
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You know, you have this kind of manner, Sicilian uh mannerisms, and and I go, Well, what would I do for you, Sal?
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He's like, I don't know, but you'll start in two weeks and we'll figure it out.
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I'm like, Yes, sir.
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So excuse me, 26 years ago, um, you know, that's that's the beginning of my foot into the industry.
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And I remember showing up for work at LeBlanc, and um, you know, Bito, Bito Pascucci was still there.
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He was probably 77 years old at the time.
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And uh, you know, for a young pup coming out of college like myself, it was suit and tie every day.
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And uh, you know, Bito was uh, I think it was People Magazine, top 10, best dressed, uh, you know, always rated in that and so forth.
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And uh uh they put me in an entry-level position.
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.680
You wouldn't hear this title today called telemarketing manager.
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:49.839
You know, that that was the role.
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:56.160
But essentially what it was was they gave me flexibility to go fix things, and that's kind of how my career has been.
00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:04.720
You know, you kind of heard what what happened in college, but in in my career, I've been able to kind of pave my way a little bit, and that's been really, really fun.
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:16.880
At LeBlanc, I got to create a parts website for the company because they had a binder for all their dealers that was about that thick that had you know all the thousands of parts that you could order for the different keys on the clarinet and all that good stuff.
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.599
And I was like, hey, it's it's the year 2000.
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.160
There is the internet, we can maybe do something with that.
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:29.599
So I would pull apart a trumpet, and we had a really talented web guy upstairs in the creative team at LeBlanc that would take a picture of the instrument.
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:41.200
And before you know it, we created you know one of those earlier shopping cart systems for our dealers to be able to go online and and see all the parts, and and then our call volume went down quite significantly because we had a good resource.
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.200
So, like, hey, you know that part site you fixed, can you fix our accessory business?
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.400
There's some things going on there.
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:55.039
And then I would jump over to that, and then they they bought a flute brand uh about three years later, and they said, Hey, we brought this flute brand, can you get that started, get it going?
00:27:55.200 --> 00:28:19.279
And and uh, but that's that's really how I I first got into the industry was through LeBlanc, and uh, you know, very very grateful for the opportunity that they gave me and and for being there at a time too, where you still had one of the patriarchs of one of the brands, veto there, to be able to hear the stories firsthand of how the company got started, and and uh you know, I with that I feel kind of a responsibility of my generation to kind of carry on that that legacy with the company.
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:20.240
Love that.
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.119
Yeah, that's beautiful.
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:22.799
Toxic guy.
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:23.599
Yeah.
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:36.000
So what and talking about that, Con Selmer, I mean, over the last how over those 20 some years, you know, like what are some of the biggest changes that you've seen in the industry or even specific with Con Selmer?
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:42.799
Wow, it's you know, I I came in at a very unique time because you know, our industry's been consolidating quite a bit.
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:54.319
And when I first got to Con Selmer, um which happened in 2004, Vito had passed away in August 2003, and uh it and it was kind of a sudden thing too.
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:58.160
We came to work one day and Vito had passed away, uh just some health complications.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:15.119
And uh a year after that, uh Con Selmer had acquired LeBlanc in August 2004, and I remember coming to the Rose Garden that LeBlanc had, and and our former CO John Stoner and Leon Pascucci, Vito's son, were back there, you know, about it's a new day for LeBlanc, and uh we're gonna be part of Con Selmer.
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:23.440
And uh I think everyone thought at the onset they were saying nothing's gonna change, but you know, it's kind of like when things like that happen, consolidation happens eventually.
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.000
By 2008, LeBlanc moved to Elkart fully.
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.319
I moved to Elkart October 2004.
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:35.599
Out of the 500 employees, I was one of four that actually went to Con Selmer out of 500 that were at LeBlanc at that time.
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:41.519
So um, so the consolidation, I've been a part of that in the industry uh through that move.
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.960
And uh I know in the community in Kenosha that was tough at that time.
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:46.880
It was tough for me to make that decision.
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.160
Um but again, I you know, I feel a responsibility of carrying on that history.
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:59.599
And uh the biggest thing I saw is by the time I got there in 04, LeBlanc or Con Summer had 43 brands.
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.240
You know, so think of that as a company to market 43 brands.
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.359
You know, it's like I have I have eight flute brands.
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.799
Which which one can I show you today?
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.200
You know, it's like uh you know, with it was crazy.
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:20.480
And everyone was uh you had you had two companies, you had United Musical Instruments that had merged right before then with the Selmer Company.
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:29.759
So you had all these brands come together, and you s they still had, even when I got there, they still had people from both sides, so they were kind of fighting each other a little bit.
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.119
So there had to be this uh one team, one goal.
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.759
How do we put that together for the good of the company?
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:41.039
And I think John Stoner, our former CEO, did did a great job of creating a culture.
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:48.720
Um you know, so that over my time, you know, seeing the the brands all come together um has been interesting.
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:55.839
Seeing the change in the manufacturing footprint, seeing the change in um, you know, just the global aspect.
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.480
We have more competitors now that are over in Asia.
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:06.400
You know, if you look at the map, you have Con Summer, Elkart, Monroe, North Carolina, East Lake Ohio, and then you have everybody else way over in Asia.
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.400
And that creates a lot of different dynamics too in regards to manufacturing.
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:20.000
Um, but I think you know, the more that we can focus on, you know, our portfolio, make it simpler for the educator to understand, uh, we'll be in we'll be in great shape.
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:28.400
And I I feel like we're heading in a great direction, but that's probably been the most difficult piece and change, at least on the the consumer side of things.
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:34.640
Um in music education, you know, that's been an ever-changing landscape too.
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:50.799
And you know, uh listening to the the community now versus you know 25 years ago, it's it's a much different ballgame, you know, and I think the pandemic spun up a lot of th or I should say sped up a lot of different things too that maybe weren't on our radar and and should have been.
00:31:51.279 --> 00:32:05.839
But you know, I think what we're dealing with now is a is an environment where you have birth rate decline, you have um teachers that are music education students in college that need more mentoring to make sure that they get out into the marketplace.
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.960
You know, how do we get more teachers into the profession and do that?
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.960
Uh so mentoring is top of mind with us as well as we're thinking of our initiatives uh more than ever.
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.279
And then just creating the accessibility in the spaces where it currently isn't.
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:28.960
You know, it's it we're a very unique country, and you know, I work for a company where CG Khan in the 1920s was one of the first instigators of school music.
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.880
You know, he put instruments into school saying, Hey, I think this is a good idea.
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:47.119
Um so I feel a responsibility that uh we have to be a catalyst too to make sure that we can do things to help that um across the country and and do things from an advocacy standpoint that continue to explain to education.
00:32:47.279 --> 00:33:03.119
You know, it feels like uh I know it feels like we're in a hamster wheel sometimes saying our message, but um, you know, the truth of the matter is I I I really feel that music does a lot to create a well-rounded citizen in all of our states in in the union, so to speak.
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:09.279
And I think the more that uh you know industry and education can partner together, that's that's gonna help now.
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:16.400
But I I think the people that did this before us for the last 25 years, you know, I think we got we had a rhythm down and it was kind of comfortable.
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.960
And I think now we're in a place where it's a little more uncomfortable and we have to lift each other up more right right now, more than ever.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.319
Michael, how long have you been in uh the division of education, the president or vice president, excuse me?
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.160
So I've uh it was kind of an interesting pivot in my career.
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:39.519
So I did product development uh from 2005 till about uh 2013.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.079
And Dr.
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:56.720
Tim Lotzenheiser, who I know is a guest on your show not too long ago, um a big mentor of mine for the last 20 years, he and uh our former CEO John Stoner, they called me into the CEO's office one day, and this is June of 2013, and said, You know, Mike, um, Dr.
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.160
Tim and I have been talking.
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.079
We want to create a division of education.
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.200
We don't know what that looks like, but we think you're the guy to figure it out.
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:10.800
So it was kind of one of those, it's you know, going back to that telemarketing manager day, it's kind of a similar uh similar concept.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.719
And then I went back to my wife that night and I said, you know, dear, I think I have a new job.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.800
And she goes, What is it?
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.039
Well, it's a division of education.
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.480
She said, Well, what does that mean?
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.679
And I said, I don't know yet.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.800
I have to figure it out.
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:30.400
So, you know, I I put but the conversation I had, you know, for me if it it was really full circle.
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.400
You know, I I wanted to be a band director, never really quite had that opportunity.
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:45.920
And with all the experience I had in product development and running business and all of that through the first years of my career, I'm like, boy, I can do a lot of good to help music educators from my from my purview.
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.400
So um I really started in 20, it started in 2013.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:56.960
And it was for me, you know, I have a golden rule for myself is is always you listen, you learn, and then you take action.
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:02.719
You know, if you just jump out and say, I'm gonna go do this, and you don't quite understand, it's like it's never quite gonna go right.
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.679
So I just started visiting school districts all over the country.
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:10.000
We started bringing educators to Elkhart to see the factories, and it was just about listening.
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.559
You know, what what's going on in your program?
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.159
You know, what what do you need help with?
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.920
What what support do you need?
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:24.239
Uh when you have the opportunity to do that to 2,500 music educators over the course of you know six, seven years, you learn a thing or two.
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:33.840
And uh, you know, the biggest thing is the the time, all the off-the-podium stuff was really uh evident in every conversation we had.
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:43.760
You know, just uh um everything from how do I cut a PO to how do I take inventory to how do I get more kids in my program and recruitment and you name it.
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.360
So that was a catalyst a lot for our Division of Education Clinician program.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:54.719
You know, we're we started really with about 15 uh that we had from our Con Silmer Institute that uh Dr.
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.960
Tim started back in 1997.
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.039
That's really our flagship event.
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.599
Uh we started with a group of 15 folks, so we just started deploying them across the country.
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:07.039
You know, I would hear a problem, hey Dick Sasedo, can you go help this person?
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.199
Hey, Paula Kreider, can you go help here?
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.000
You know, and and start connecting the dots that way.
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:18.880
Uh that started, you know, getting more and more, and we had more requests, and then it it built up over time.
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:25.039
Um and then one of the things I heard is you know, the whole uh budgeting process in school districts.
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.000
It always seemed like we were in the arts and afterthought.
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:33.280
You know, it's like, yeah, the budget came through, they never talked to me, and I kind of got the leftovers.
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:38.079
And it's like, well, you shouldn't be getting leftovers, you should be with in the meal somewhere, you know.
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:45.760
So um I took the attitude of how do we become more consultative towards music education to be a resource where we can help with some of that.
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.320
So, you know, creating budgets and things like that are I I like doing things like that.
00:36:50.480 --> 00:37:01.760
And uh I ended up uh the company supported me creating an inventory system that we gave for free to school districts all over the country that helped them uh be able to put their assets together and and so forth.
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:19.840
And they were spending, you know, anywhere from 40,000 a year to even some bigger districts,$250,000 on an asset management system to manage instruments, uh, but not effectively because it wasn't actually telling them, you know, what's the uh condition of the instruments, uh what's the actual value, and uh and all those things.
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:27.360
So I said, hey, how about you get this for free and you tell them to take that 250 and give it to the kids and and and support it in the right place?
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.559
And uh so that really became the catalyst then of our educational support manager positions.
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.800
In fact, it was a it was a hallway conversation with our former CEO John Stoner.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.320
I was doing all this uh activities and he said, you know, Mike, you need some help.
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:42.400
What could what kind of position could this be?
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.239
And I'm just passing him in the hallway.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.960
I said, you know, it's really a like an educational support manager.
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.800
He's like, All right, get that going next week.
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:54.400
And so before you know it, I have a job description and I'm like, all right, yes, yes, sir.
00:37:54.480 --> 00:38:00.159
You know, it's so they they supported my entrepreneur spirit, so to speak, in building this division of education.
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:01.360
So, and you know, Dr.
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.199
Tim and I would talk daily, and remember even back then, he and I had those Nextel phones.
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.360
You remember those things where you just beep in into somebody?
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.920
So, like I I would be on the phone and Dr.
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.039
Tim had his own Nextel.
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.280
So I'd be talking, Mike, Mike, Mike.
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.199
It's like, okay, Tim, I'll I'll get to you.
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.239
Hang on, hang on, Tim.
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.239
But uh, you know, there was a lot going on at the onset there.
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:26.559
And you know, the biggest thing that that Tim and I always would talk about is it's it's time, communication, and excellence.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.079
You know, how do we spend our time doing the right things to move the needle forward?
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.480
How do we communicate personally and go deep, you know, with with our relationships?
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.280
You know, so I'm big about that with our team as well.
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.360
You know, if we're gonna help music education, we can't just we can't just do flybys.
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:48.079
You know, we we want to make sure that what we do has an impact and it sticks, and then make sure we do everything at a high level that we do do.
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:53.440
So um, but yeah, so 2013 is when all that uh that all that came about.
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.960
So we're in it now for 13 years, which is crazy to think about.
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:58.480
Yeah, time to speeds up.
00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.519
Just speeds up.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:06.960
Um the thing that hits me when I hear you talk about this is like you're the right person in that right spot at the right time.
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.880
I mean, we are how grateful, and I've seen different aspects of this.
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:25.280
Heck, I've been on that factory tour twice, and I can tell you that that's profound for a music educator to see folks building those instruments and how much craftsmanship is involved in that and love and care and attention.
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.400
It's second to none.
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:26.880
It's amazing.
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.079
Let me just let me just remind you, Chris, you're not getting a tuba out of this.
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.639
There's no way just open.
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.880
You just bought one, you don't you don't get a chance for another.
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:37.920
Why not the con Susaphone?
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Now back to our show.
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.079
No, it is beautiful.
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.280
I yeah, just grateful for uh all that work.
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.599
Um, in fact, so grateful that we've created a speedrun for you.
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:00.400
That's right.
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.679
Um, unencumbered by thought, uh, don't think too deeply.
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:08.880
Um, mimic Peter and Phil.
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.320
All right, here we go.
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.519
Um, number one, have you ever wanted to create a group called the Kenosha Kickers?
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:23.039
I almost came close to doing that, but uh uh not not exactly that, but yeah.
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.400
Uh almost did almost did something similar.
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:27.440
See, I knew it.
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:27.840
I knew it.
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:28.239
I knew it.
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.079
Um donuts or ice cream?
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:30.639
Donuts.
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.639
Pile's bakery in Kenosha.
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.079
That's lots of good memories there.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:34.880
There we go.
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.280
Do you know about tenudas in Kenosha?
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:37.920
Absolutely.
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.519
Tenudas and Ron's place.
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.280
Those were the those were the hangs.
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.000
Yeah.
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.960
So I gotta get over there because I need more of their jardinera that the old ladies are making there.
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:48.239
It's pretty amazing stuff.
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:48.960
You can only get it there.
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:49.519
Absolutely.
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:50.960
Sponsor.
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:55.039
Um, and then how about uh how about a memorable concert?
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.159
Something you'll never forget.
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:15.039
You know, for me, uh, this one's kind of near and dear to my heart, but uh my daughter started playing horn in the fifth grade uh in 2019, and then you know, six months, five, six months in the pandemic hit, and she basically took horn over Zoom for about two, two and a half years.
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.800
Uh and with a horn teacher that really helped her out and so forth.
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:23.360
And uh the biggest thing is uh for biggest concert for me is when we came out of the pandemic.
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.440
Uh so she's in the seventh grade.
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:31.599
Uh she got to play with uh Prep Winds uh where I live uh here in here in the Michigan area.
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.800
And for the first time she got to play with 40 other kids, and they played Salvation is Created.
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:48.639
And I remember after after all of that, I sat, I was I think I was the only parent in the audience sitting there, and I'm just like, she's up there, and I saw her play the first chord coming in, and she's like looking around while she's playing, and I and I I just melted.
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:53.440
I mean that there's all these great, fabulous concerts I've seen, but there's nothing that's gonna top that one for me.
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:54.320
It's awesome.
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:54.800
Awesome.
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:55.840
Favorite hobby?
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:57.760
Favorite hobby right now.
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.239
Um, you know, I gave up bowling.
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.039
Like I gave up bowling with my first daughter, so that's no longer no longer a thing.
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:10.639
Um but uh right now I think golf is probably my when I can do it.
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:21.360
You know, I I don't have the opportunity to do it too much, maybe four or five times a year, but just being out on the course and open and have the phone tucked away for a little bit is uh is a treasure to have that a little bit of that time.
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:21.840
Love it.
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.239
Uh let's I got one real quick.
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.119
Uh interrupt uh speedrun.
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.880
Uh favorite brief Dr.
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:29.599
Tim story.
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:37.920
I like the one where he's uh uh I forget where he was going through he was going through Texas to get to Arizona during 9-11.
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.880
And I remember he's uh everything was shut down, you know.
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.880
So he had to he had to time it out.
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:51.599
And I'm pretty sure he was in uh Missouri trying to get down to Arizona and he had to go through Texas to get there.
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:59.119
And he said, if I can clock myself at 88 miles an hour, I can get there by the time I have to jump on stage down in Arizona.
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.599
And as He was going through Texas.
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.400
Uh he got pulled over by a state trooper.
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:10.480
And you know, he does this little like, oh, this guy walking up behind his car and you know, coming to him.
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:11.760
So why are you going so fast?
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.679
And he explained to him what he was doing.
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.920
And the state trooper kind of freaked out because he was a band director, you know, former band director.
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.800
He's like, Well, my son plays trombone, and Dr.
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:27.760
Tim gave his business card, and the guy ended up helping him get all the way through Texas to Arizona, you know, and called story.
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.000
Called all the state troopers ahead of him and said, I'm going to spot you all the way through Texas.
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:32.800
You'll be all right.
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:38.719
And and all Tim had to do was blink his lights a couple times, and the state troopers would let him go all the way through.
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:51.280
So he made it like 15 minutes before the start of his keynote in front of 1,200 kids, and they're all there ready to sing, you know, God bless America, because of what happened during 9-11 back then.
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.480
So that that's probably that's the one that sticks with me the most.
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.039
I love that.
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:58.159
It's a great story.
00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.280
Uh cake or pie?
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.559
You know, you mentioned the cherry pie earlier, but acted.
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:03.840
That's yeah.
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.519
You mentioned the cherry pie, but I I am really I really am a cake guy.
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:07.920
Yeah.
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:08.239
Yeah.
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:09.039
That's all right.
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.559
That's that's fair.
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:11.119
That's fair.
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:12.480
I won't tell Gene.
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.360
Um uh how about a composer or a piece that's caught your fancy?
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:18.159
Ooh.
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:25.360
You know, for the first time, I heard uh uh Gene Sibelius number symphony number two uh recently.
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.519
It's a it's a long work, but uh that was so cool.
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:30.880
I really enjoyed that.
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.840
Um I'm also a big Mahler fan.
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:40.719
If I can hear Mahler with the Cleveland Orchestra or you know the Chicago Brass, you know, that that's probably my happy place as well.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:41.920
You don't have to ask the list of it.
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:49.280
And then uh here's here's the last question, and that is Is Khan Summer interested in making a professional level Valve trombone?
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.400
You know, we are working on a valve trombone.
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.199
Um there you go.
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:01.280
When if you need someone to play that concerto, Phil is Phil's like to nominate Phil.
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:10.000
You'd be amazed at the requests we get from the Banda uh uh market and uh Latin America and yeah, a lot of valve trombone work in there.
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:10.800
Yeah, you do.
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:11.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:11.920
That's right.
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:12.400
You do.
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:13.920
It's exactly right.
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:14.639
You do.
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.000
Yeah, I love it.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.360
Um, I tell you, uh, Michael, it's it's amazing.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:32.159
I think of uh when I think about everything you said, I think about the word innovation, and that's exactly the place in which you are, and that is to see a problem, to come up with a creative novel solution that's that's gonna be useful to others.
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.119
And thank goodness you have done everything that bowling led you to Con Selmer.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.639
I mean, what a great story.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:39.760
I love it.
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.119
Thank you.
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.360
I but I I think uh I think of divergent.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.360
I think you see the same problem everybody else sees, but not only do you see opportunity, but you ask the right questions.
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:53.920
You can I love that idea.
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:54.559
What was that?
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.880
You uh listen and learn, and then you you take action.
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:16.639
Uh I don't care if that's from uh you know martial arts or the racetrack or bowling or you name it, um uh all the things that you've done that's that's helped, and you are absolutely in the right place, and we can really use you and have been.
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.719
It's been great to have you help guide that shift for us in the music world.
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:21.119
Thanks.
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:21.599
It's great.
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.519
No, it's it's been good hanging with you all.
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:29.280
And yeah, no, I I'm blessed to be a part of this industry and uh you know just very thankful to have the time with you all today.
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:29.920
Appreciate it.
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.519
Well, thanks, Mike.
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.280
What an interesting person story.
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.599
This uh a musical Mr.
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:38.320
Fix It.
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:39.199
You know?
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.480
But not even just in music and all the different things he's done.
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:43.599
I think that's really interesting.
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:50.320
People see that character trait in him and go get him and thank God, you know, we got him on the music side doing the same thing.
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.199
Well, and to think in a way that's like what can we to listen?
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:59.519
I mean, honestly, to have the humility to say, let's listen to these educators.
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.079
I mean, that means so much to teachers who often don't get listened to.
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:05.920
They get told what to do constantly.
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.440
But um and to have the heart, you know what I mean?
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.599
Um again, and that comes a lot from Dr.
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.880
Tim, too, but it's like um bowling.
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:16.639
Yeah, and bowling.
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.239
Oh my gosh, what a story.
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:31.440
300 you uh Peter, you and Chris have uh both heard this story more than one time, but I'm always fond of telling people that my grandfather um was regional manager on the Eastern Seaboard for CGCon in the 1940s.
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.639
Oh, I did not yeah, I guess I do remember that now.
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:35.440
Yep.
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.800
So uh a full circle moment as I'm a Con Selmer artist.
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:41.440
Yeah.
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.280
But you still had to play trombone because your dad had one or your uncle had one.
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:53.199
Uh I I had uh both my uh cousin's trombone and also my uncle's trombone.
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.679
Um, which was one of the my uncle's trombone was one of the ones for my grandpa.
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.880
Those instruments did not uh survive the turn of the times.
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:03.679
Uh-huh.
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:04.719
Sure.
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:06.079
All right.
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.679
Hey, well, we have three things to do.
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.440
We gotta we gotta keep moving here.
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.440
We got a boozler, we have a rap and with songer, and we got a coach.
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:14.639
All right, what do you want first?
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.960
Let's rap booze coach.
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:20.880
Raping with songers.
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.519
It's time for rapping with songer.
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.440
I'm here again with two of Dr.
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:31.920
O'Shrander's favorite Autter Band kids, Amelia and Audra from the Eau Claire Auder Band Middle School Experience uh earlier this winter.
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.000
And they brought some friends with them today, Hannah and Emily and Beta.
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.079
And we have a great question for you today.
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.400
Uh Amelia, you want to ask it here?
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:41.440
Sure.
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.920
Um, what is something that you don't like that you feel like everybody else likes?
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.599
Oh, yeah, that's a great question.
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.199
Can't wait to hear your answer, you guys.
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:50.239
Have a great one.
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:54.079
I'm ready.
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:55.440
Okay, go for it.
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.960
Ice ice cream.
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.599
You don't like ice cream?
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.199
That's it's okay.
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:02.079
It's all right.
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:03.440
It's okay.
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.159
What?
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.440
Oh my god, Phil.
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:06.880
I'm a bad person.
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:08.800
I I am there's something wrong with me.
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.679
Inside something wrong with inside, you're a bad person.
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:12.400
I know.
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:12.880
I know.
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:14.079
That's good.
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:16.480
Social media.
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.599
Oh, okay's uh trombone plane.
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:21.519
Okay, let's get to the boozler.
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:26.400
Um uh we didn't answer very well, but that's all right.
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:27.679
I gotta think about that more.
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:28.480
What don't I like?
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:29.119
That's it.
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:29.920
We could come back to it.
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.559
That one could be let it simmer for a little bit.
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.400
Um boozler.
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:36.639
Bamboozler.
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:38.719
Bamboozler.
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:45.679
I've been told not to play recordings for my band as it might influence the way they perform the piece.
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.639
How how often do you play recordings for your band and what are the impacts?
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:56.480
Also, how often do you listen to recordings and do you listen to multiple sources and why?
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:58.159
Well, that's a lot.
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:07.920
I do listen to recordings early in the process for sure, and I try to listen to it as many possible ones and only once, if possible, right?
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.400
Like I'd rather listen to a lot of different recordings.
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.400
I get different perspectives.
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.719
The more professional they are, the better.
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:26.960
Um I do when I send out part assignments two weeks before we have a rehearsal, um, they get their parts, their assignments, and they get a reference recording to listen to.
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:32.239
And I try to find one that is the best sounding, right?
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.719
So it gives them the idea of what the sound of the piece should be.
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:45.039
Um I don't care if it has a lot of great musical choices or not, because I can do that on top of if they come knowing what it's supposed to sound like and what their role is.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.920
When I thought of the public schools, I mean, of course they always could listen, but they never did.
00:51:50.239 --> 00:52:02.880
I would wait to play something for them until about two weeks into the process because then we've gone through the sight reading, we've gone through the rhythm, we've gone through the things that are important, and we have a reason that we're playing it.
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:11.760
And then when they listen, they are listening not for the rhythm, but they're listening to the the sound world.
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:19.199
And then it's a huge, it's a huge like injection or boost of energy towards what they need to do.
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:19.840
Philip?
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.119
How many reference recordings of Fun Tango do you have?
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:24.639
Just seven.
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:26.960
That's that's good.
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:29.519
I the the Marine band version is clearly my favorite.
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:30.800
It's it's it's pretty good.
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:32.400
North Texas isn't bad either.
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.719
Thank you, Ryan.
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:44.400
Um my only comment, I yes, I play recordings for my band, and I yes, I do the reference recording thing two weeks before, like Peter does.
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:51.440
Um however, um I don't like to take rehearsal time out to listen as a group because I want to play.
00:52:52.079 --> 00:53:01.119
Um but I if a critical mass of the ensemble doesn't know what the end goal is, you have to listen.
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:03.119
There's no choice.
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:12.000
You uh you know, if you've got too many people who are too lost, then you gotta stop, you gotta step back and say, All right, you guys chose you you chose not to listen to it on your own.
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:13.840
So now I know you're not playing.
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.440
It's the our our folks that did listen to the piece are frustrated.
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.559
But there's something to be gained for us listening to this together.
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:25.280
And then I think appropriate to that is a discussion about active versus passive listening.
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.800
You know, I would I would do a Google What are you listening for?
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.760
How are you listening for it?
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.039
Do you did you put a s a score up on the screen so everybody can see the score while you're listening?
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.159
You know, at the bare minimum, you have to have your part in front of you.
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:39.119
But that's right.
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.039
Uh yeah, those are my thoughts.
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:42.880
Active listening, that's great.
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:43.440
Yeah.
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.039
I would also uh often listen for myself personally, you know what I mean?
00:53:49.199 --> 00:54:00.239
Uh a variety of amazing uh professional recordings, but then I would go out and purposely find a pretty crappy middle school band playing it because I'm like, oh, that's what we'll sound like.
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.559
And I'm not saying that sarcastically.
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:10.159
Honestly, it has kicked me in the butt multiple times because I'll hear North Texas play it and they will do things to the music.
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:11.280
You know what I mean?
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:18.239
Like they're such good musicians that they're doing, and you lose some of the inherent flaws that will happen with a middle school band.
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:19.599
Yep, my lens.
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.239
And so I'm like, oh, and then you hear three middle school bands do the same thing.
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:25.599
Yeah, it gives me a problem.
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:26.639
Right.
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:27.119
You know.
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:27.599
Right.
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:27.920
Right.
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:28.960
I do that very much.
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:36.880
I'll I'll go listen to uh whatever I'm doing in an honor band, I'll listen to some middle school band or or another honor band play it.
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.440
And I'll be like, they struggled with that transition.
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:40.079
And guess what?
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:40.960
We're gonna struggle with.
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:41.679
That's right.
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.159
Um, I think we actually answered that quite well.
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:45.280
Let's find out from the coach.
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.360
Coach, what uh what say you?
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:50.639
Coach.
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:53.920
How bad has this all been?
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:55.280
I thought that was great.
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:56.639
You guys were great there.
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:57.760
That was wonderful.
00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.119
I love the band.
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.719
That's the band boozler.
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.519
Yeah, they all start with the something, but yeah, that's the boozler.
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:04.000
I like those.
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:05.679
The boozlers are great.
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.800
That's some of the great notes must-listen to podcasts.
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:09.519
Oh.
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.559
Sometimes I fast forward through the banter.
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.400
Get to the boozler.
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:15.760
Get to the boozler.
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.480
Get rid of that damn banter and go right to the boozler.
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:19.280
Boozlers.
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:19.519
Okay.
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.840
Got the boozlers, the banter, the boozler.
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:26.320
Last night I also decided that we should have an Eric Songer takeover.
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:27.280
Okay.
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:32.639
Hey, hey, Chris, do you have any of that reference recording of Tim playing the Star Spangled Banner on Trombone?
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:34.800
I could use that.
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:36.639
You can pull that up right now.
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:39.039
That's a good reference recording.
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:40.400
Right, right through.
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:40.800
Yeah.
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:56.159
It's good to see that the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire can put to use the uh PVC pipes that my brother uses every time he comes to do an honor band there with uh uh Jody Blackshaw's whirlwind for other pieces.
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.639
So it was good to see Jon Stewart use those last night with the Kelly piece.
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:01.519
I enjoyed that.
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.719
The whirlies.
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:03.119
Yeah.
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.000
That was good.
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:05.440
I was gonna comment on that.
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:10.800
That Chris, it's good to see them using those more than when you come there to do an honor band.
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:11.760
Yeah, that's true.
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.480
Use those a lot, even when they don't call for them.
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.599
Peter's commissioning a whirly a whirly choir piece.
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:19.599
Everybody just plays whirlies the whole time.
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.280
Nothing but whirlies all the time.
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:28.320
Kids hitting themselves, hitting each other, wapping them on stands, hitting the back wall.
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.920
One of them getting going and just letting it fly.
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:33.280
There we go.
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.559
All the overtones and then chaos.
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:48.639
That's the best.
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:51.679
Bill, it was very enjoyable last night.
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.440
I really enjoyed uh your group.
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It's been fun to come up there this year.
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Miles' new horn is splendid.
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Worth it.
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Thanks.
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Uh you both uh uh Chris, you and and Tim both gave me some nice compliments.
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And I as uh uh as Peter said, it's uh hard to take a compliment at times, uh, but I do appreciate it.
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Thanks.
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Well deserved.
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I have to give a shout out to the coach because he said something out loud at one of his earlier coaching sessions um that stuck with me, and I've really been trying to incorporate that into our banter time, and I want to know if he's noticed, trying to get to some more.
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Yeah, like you have.
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I've noticed it too.
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This like not a serious question, but more like more like the boozler, but up front, just about the stuff that we're doing, rather than just teasing Phil about his Valve Trombone concerto.
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I and I like I I send a text to you last week when you ended last week's pop task by mentioning that you loved you loved these guys.
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That was touching.
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Yeah.
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At least for you it was and me, but for them it was just another moment of we we we kind of laughed at him actually.
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I wish we would have stopped that one at the stammering fill, because he's like, Well, I I mean if you could that would have been the best if we would have just left it right there at the stammering fill.
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But I got the I love you in there.
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That's nice.
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A friend of mine, uh Peter Schleif, who's a cobber.
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Yeah.
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Pete Pete was in town.
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He had uh he was judging here in Winona, and he mentioned uh he was at the local uh or the regional ACDA conference in Milwaukee, and the Milwaukee Public Schools uh had a choir that saying.
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And there was Alzheimer choir and a couple other groups, and before every choir, the um the narrator or the the person uh would get up and say, please silence your phone and your inner critic.
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I like that.
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I don't know.
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I was like wow, that person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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As someone raised by Jerry.
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I usually I prefer to just say silence your inner Gleason.
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So it feels good when I'm gonna do that.
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We have two outer gleasons right here.
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The inner critic.
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The inner crit critic is usually yelling at me.
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So isn't that interesting though?
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Like I I can do that when I'm performing because I can put myself in that head space.
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And um it's harder when live music, but it's worth it.
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Like if you can just let or I guess more I have to like try to focus on all the amazing things that I can go toward instead of that was out of tune.
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Oh, that's hot off the snare drum.
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To instead go, that's a beautiful clarinet sound.
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You know, yeah, the snare drummer is probably playing an instrument they've never played, they're on a stage they've never been on, they have no idea how it projects out.
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It's not their fault.
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But man, those are some clean rudiments.
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You know, like it's it's hard to turn off that inner critic.
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Uh for me, it's not the I'm not being critical of it.
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I'm alternating between like trying to show a joy and passion for whatever I'm hearing, but also making sure that I keep track of Johnny who's nervous out of their mind.
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And you're just making sure that Johnny is looped into the experience.
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You know, I've got I've got one tenth of my eye attention on that player to just keep them keep them on board.
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Uh, but the rest is reserved for like let it go.
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We're in the gig.
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The other experience I had this uh within the last two weeks was I played with the Winona Symphony.
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I don't know if you know Eric Roadie.
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I know Eric Roadie.
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Yeah, he's uh uh well he's at Minnesota violinist conductor.
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Yeah, so Eric comes uh to Winona and does the Winona Symphony and they do a children's concert and they did a Pulanc history of a bar.
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And of course, if you're gonna do something about an elephant, you need to have a tuba part.
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Right?
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So they thought to bring you in.
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They did.
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They bring in me, and you know, that's the first time in that kind of in that setting in a long time.
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And the part was challenging enough that it it needed to be looked at and some work on it.
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And uh what was fun about it when I was done was that I can no longer sprint anywhere close to what I could do 30 years ago.
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I don't think as well as I did 30 years ago.
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I'm not nearly my body does not work at any level that it did 30 years ago.
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But when I put the instrument in front of me, I can still do something that I used to be able to do at that at at close to that level.
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And that that was just such a that was a very interesting feeling, I guess, at this point.
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Because you know, there's so much, you know, as life gets into this stage, you know, Peter, you'll you'll see this in your fifth.
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You know, some of that what you experience in your 50s is the experiences of what you can't do anymore.
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And um this was one of those that is like I can I can still kind of do this.
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And that was uh that was neat.
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Good for you.
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I can eat more.
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Hey, but thinking about things you can't do anymore, look what I just found.
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Look what I just found.
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This is pretty fascinating.
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I don't know, it's gonna be good.
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Okay, I've never seen that before.
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Explain what this is.
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This um you're gonna have to put a link to this in the leader.
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It says Tim Gleason dancing with the Winona Stars.
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You are talking to the the first Winona stars dancing with Winona Stars champion of the champion in year one.
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This actually, this one is uh from year two when I was unable to defend my title.
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But I did win year one, and I won year one because I had a great partner, and I was just foolish enough that I sold it, and and people were like, we're voting for Gleason.
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Wow.
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So it was quite the solci you just didn't.
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It's not quite bowling, it's not quite bowling at 300, but it was 300 game, or everything else we heard on you know that that would be really cool on another podcast that just didn't have uh a guy who uh seems to be able to do everything.
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Everything.
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Yeah, well, that's good.
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Well, yeah, I don't see you doing that anytime soon.
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So those days are over.
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I'd like to see you try.
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Just gonna say I had a great partner.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Did you know that that was coming?
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Did you look that up for him?
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Or did you um and Chris, did you just do that now while you were trying to tease your ball?
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.960
I was looking for the Star Swingle banner because Phil mentioned that.
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So I've been looking for it because I haven't been listening to you guys.
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So I've been looking for that and I found found that.
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So that's amazing.
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Wow, absolutely.
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What's the next thing we need to do?
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How can we what's uh you're our coach.
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We haven't won the championship yet.
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Are we even in the playoffs?
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No.
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It's March Madness.
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I think we're making things better.
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I think things are too.
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You know, you have great guests, you let them talk, you know, you give them the stage when they're when they're on.
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:45.840
Yet you three are just you you have great chemistry together and um and you kind of lift each other up.
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Yeah, but but let's be honest, Tim.
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I think my chemistry is better than Peter and Chris's.
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I think that's clear.
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Well, that that goes without saying.
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Yeah.
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That was understood.
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I love you.
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