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[SPEAKER_08]: Mosh, I'm not big, you'll let him open the doors.
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[SPEAKER_08]: We didn't bet, we had the courage that they'd go.
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[SPEAKER_08]: And way as he was, he drives a V-hider goal.
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[SPEAKER_08]: His realy salad is easy-stead to yuffin' four and four.
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[SPEAKER_08]: My book hits his ass.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I proclaim his ass.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Knock those out with us.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm still up on my Yom Kippur BS.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's a variety.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's the world's most moral podcast coming at you.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right here.
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[SPEAKER_09]: 58.
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[SPEAKER_09]: 78.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Happy Jew year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Matt Lee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will be your most loyal coast for this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think I got it wrong.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's 57.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, hello.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm Daniel Mattay.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Your other most moral-grosed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: producer Adam here, as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah, fuck yeah, dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So excited to be spending the high holidays with all of you fine folks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm including Daniel and Adam, but also everyone out there who is listening slash watching this podcast and whatever app you are using to do so, whether it's in whatever's in whatever's okay, you happen to be in.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get you Suka and yeah, give us five stars in a review wherever you get podcast and make sure to subscribe on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Subscribe on sub-stacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Subscribe on Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, patreon.com slash bad has barra.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where you get your bonus episode every week, but not only that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You also get these a little bit early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you've probably noticed that you're getting this a little bit late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's because yesterday, because we're recording this on Tuesday, September 22nd, yesterday we were out celebrating yum by attoning for the sin of podcasting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of sins to a tone for and so there was no time for potting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zero time to pot when you have to say sorry to God, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apologies to G-D for doing the P-D.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we are here now, we hope you will forgive us for giving you everything we were doing the God fast for the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing the God fast with the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, shout out to those who fast did shout out to those who didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm only half Jewish on the wrong side, so I only half fasted, which means that I ate just a little bit less than I usually did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also shout out not only to our producer Adam Levin, who is here today and will be our guest today because we're going guest lists once again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also shout out to editor Brent doing an amazing job on the 3s and 4s getting everyone's clips out, getting socials out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean this guy is a freaking machine.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And let me say something.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Let me say something.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Editor-in-Brent must have some kind of magic because our video is suddenly on YouTube are doing unprecedented numbers.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And yet, I mean, I'm talking about like 40,000 views in a day.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm talking, okay, that used to be like a high-water mark for like cumulatively for an entire episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And yet I want to say this, and yet our subscriber numbers,
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[SPEAKER_09]: are not growing at the same pace, which tells me that there are some people, maybe tens of thousands of you, who are watching millions, possibly millions, who are watching and enjoying, but not doing the natural
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[SPEAKER_09]: that, you know, the natural consequence of, like, like, the next, like, what would come the worst?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Just follow that impulse to be like, wow, I really want to see more from this channel.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You click that subscribe button.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's all you got to get everything we've got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'd like to rely on some Chelsea algorithm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why wait for, you know, the algorithm?
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[SPEAKER_02]: to tell you what you like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you can tell the algorithm what you like by subscribing on YouTube or subscribing on sub-stack or Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, and this is something I had run by you guys before, and we can get this out, but I was going to say we had talked about this,
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[SPEAKER_02]: On Patreon, as well as on all of our subscriber, you know, platforms, sub-stack in this, we are going to coming up soon, offer a free bit of time, where that's right, there will be everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone can subscribe to our, you know, our member feeds for absolutely nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: zero dollars just so you can enjoy some of our bonus content for free just to see what you're missing you know I'm saying sample it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the details are we loosely discuss this at one point and I was like you know maybe now's the best time to announce it very soon you're gonna be able to get it for free when I don't know soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, for nothing happened better than just saying it will you know with someone to account for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly right, that is the only way, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, you know, we are looking at our, you know, subscriber numbers, and when I was like, you know what, maybe people need to know what they're missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the way we can do that is offered for free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So very soon, we will be offering it for free for a period of time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How long?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the drug dealers do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And in the same spirit, Matt, you've inspired me.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Just throw my hat over the wall and then do it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: something that we've discussed by which, I mean, I've left voice notes to myself, and then done another voice note in Matt's voice responding to it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Matt's going to be moving to New York soon to become my personal masseuse.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And he's leaving his family, and that's not just a big
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how you found out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry Adam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know, there's look, there's only one position and I'm taking it and it's 69 at 69.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the only position I like, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I will soon be a little bit good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I need, I need a good stretch to 69 you.
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[SPEAKER_09]: My God.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, dude.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Put me on the rack.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Stretch me out.
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[SPEAKER_11]: grow by three inches, you know what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, he's just kidding about that, but I'm not just kidding, I think, about the free member fees.
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[SPEAKER_11]: No, it sounds good to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, keep your eyes peeled for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want people to, you know, to be able to like consume some of our exclusive content for free for a little just to see what it's like, and then, you know, back to behind a pay wall, and, you know, the piggy's can squeal and whatnot, but maybe some will pay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: any huddle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about a lot of stuff this episode, including these Ed Sheeran shows in Philly, but if you're in Philly for a different reason on October 13th and 14th, once you come out to the Philly punchline and see me do stand up and do a live bituation room podcast with Francesca Fiorentini, Philly punchline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's where comedy is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Born, I don't know, I made that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, uh, Bell House October 15th in New York, in Brooklyn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is coming up fast guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So get these tickets before they run out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They will sell out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of these shows will sell out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, our opening act.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just makle more and all of the opening acts from it, Sharon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you'll really enjoy all that just kidding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you thought I was serious, some people think that I'm serious when I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the real guest is so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So please get your tickets now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, middle school mysteries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Studio drops.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Drops this Friday at midnight.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Thursday night Friday morning.
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[SPEAKER_09]: On Spotify, on Apple Music, on title, on all of the streaming platforms.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's fully mixed.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's fully mastered.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We had a listening session the other day for the kids and the whole crew.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And it was just such a thrill to hear them.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Just to see them hearing themselves and what they've created.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And we are, I'm really, really proud and excited to put this out into the world.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I won't have the vinyl for quite a while, but that'll come in at the coming months, but you will be able to check it out.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I hope you'll do so and go to the website, middlescore mysteries.com.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Follow us on Instagram, middlescore mysteries, musical.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, check it out.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully by listening to the album and full, you'll be able to follow the
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[SPEAKER_09]: the bones of the story.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think that you saw a pretty good job of telling you that what happens without telling you all the twists and turns and reveals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I already know.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And it's not just for middle schoolers, even though it's about middle schoolers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, of course not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're like me and you have the intellect of the middle schooler, you can still watch it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, it's like, just because it's about middle schoolers doesn't mean it's for middle schoolers, just, you know, it's like, Rugrats is a show about babies, but that's for adults.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And just because this is a show about Zionist doesn't mean it's only for Zionist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We know that there's some of, we know that there's some of you out there who want to see this.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That look all in a dismantled, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so today's episode is brought to you by Project Mohammed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're doing it jokingly, but also they are doing actual work and Yeah, don't let it be out of your heart just because it's out of the news Exactly, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is correct.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So please do that now I just I just I just I just I just read that Israel is barring peanut butter from entering Gaza because they they term it a luxury That's the state of maybe they thought it was dual use and they were worried about you know peanut butter bombs
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see that too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, they did that with cookies.
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[SPEAKER_09]: They are trying to make our tongue stick to the roof of our mouths and poison Jewish dogs.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are of course banning peanut butter because this is a country of people who are allergic to peanut butter and we consider this a biological weapon as someone who is allergic in their thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have decided to find a peanut butter solution.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We are doing the people of Gaza at Fivell.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This will be a no-not octobal Which is a good discipline to develop.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Wow Donate to that charity forget it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, donate to that charity Beautiful job everyone Daniel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the spin?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm sorry for that.
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[SPEAKER_09]: No, not joke.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm sorry for a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And we can all atone.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And it's, you know, I'm keep pouring yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So I picked some apology seemed songs and albums.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Here's REM with reckoning.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think this is their, or those is murmur.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Is this reckoning or murmur?
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're asking one of their, one of their early records and has a song called South Central Ray in the chorus of which is, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_11]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_11]: That's all he says.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's a pretty good style.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good style.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like him.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Palestine.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Lemonade.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Beyonce.
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[SPEAKER_09]: She has a song called Sorry On Here.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I believe that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, all of the album itself is the opposite of a sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more like you're gonna be sorry for what you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Which, well, you know what, I should have included 444 by Jay Z.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That is his.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That is his.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It is on my shelf, but I'm not going to go get it right now, because I've already selected other ones.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I will, I will, I will, for another reason, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_09]: The John Linn can that collection, just a compilation with the song, Jellis Guy,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: The Donny Hathaway beautifully covered.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's, you know, it's a great, great tune.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Originally called Woman is the Enward of My House, just kidding, uh, uh, come on, man.
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[SPEAKER_09]: All Apologies, of course.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, very good.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're good in you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a real, uh, great album.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then there's songs that are not so apologetic, uh,
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tyler the creator has a song called Sorry, not Sorry, which I know some other pop singer has, but I'm sure this album call me if you get lost and you know what sometimes you're just not ready to forgive or apologize sometimes you're not ready to make nice it's the essential chicks.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you know, as the deep hyphen C chicks, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to and that was their song about being canceled over their principal objection to the Iraq war, which luckily after they sacrificed their careers for that, it never happened again.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Famously.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and no other musician ever had to bear the brunt for taking an anti-imperialist anti-hegemonic stance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, shout out the spin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The long arc of history that bends towards justice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel, thank you for spinning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate that new
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we got a couple of playlists now because there's too many songs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so now we're getting into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about a lot of things today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about, yeah, I'm Kapoor, Ed Sheeran.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about Hassan Piker a little bit too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we're starting off with yam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to know, both of y'all had your yam go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, where are you sufficiently sorry?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Adam, you want to go first?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I mean, I acknowledge my many misdeeds, both known and unknown over the past year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And while I am sorry for them, I will be doing it again in the coming year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Part of it is being like, and I'll see you next year, God, when I'm sorry again.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I saw a legitimately anti-Semitic tweet today.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Around this time of year,
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[SPEAKER_09]: people like to come in and be like the Jews have all these crazy rituals in this, you know, the swinging chickens over the head, I'll grant you is fair as fair, you know, in the streets of Williamsburg, and I don't like that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or the weird oils, like the ones who suck the blood, like that's something where I'm just like, look, that is not a regular, you know, thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not, but it also, I guess, is a thing that happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how to explain that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a gentle hygienist told me that the Jews are evil and do black magic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Adam has an anti-Semitic dental hygienic, she's just a funniest thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've texted us multiple times from the dentist office being like, oh no, he's calling off about the Jews again.
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[SPEAKER_09]: sort of puts a reverse spin on the Gois teeth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: The dental hygienists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you see, the name of God on the teeth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, it's just kind of high me down.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Go on, you're kind.
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[SPEAKER_09]: No, but this, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But, yeah, Jews insisers are sharp, you know?
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[SPEAKER_09]: But this tweet was all about Colnidre and the various, like just analyzing the ways that Jews use these prayers to essentially exempt themselves from accountability and just this very vicious, I don't like seeing that stuff, because it makes my dismissals
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[SPEAKER_09]: the rampant anti-Semitism on this podcast seem less credible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, first of all, you know, Twitter is truly a Nazi cesspool and the increase of blatantly anti-Semitic posts is very much calculated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know this because I will see posts on my for you page that are just Nazi posts and it won't even be like, oh, this was retweeted by some pro-Palestine account to, you know, whatever, it just, they're just pushing this out to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And some of the components of screen names that are just jumbles of numbers, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just to sort of flood the space with shitty content.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And this person did seem to be an actual era of women.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's not to confuse or to, you know, forgive the fact that there are also real people who are doing anti-Semitic stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem I have with people who do this sort of like, let's do a deep dive into the, you know, religious ceremonies or religious texts and whatnot is that they kind of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: fundamentally reactionary idea that anyone who is a radical, you know, whether they be like an Islamist or Jewish person, they're doing so because of religious war reasons, not because of a very real, you know, a very real secular ideas that push them into this kind of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, thinking like the same people who do like look into the Talmud and you'll see what the real face of the Jew is art is the same argument as like look into the Quran to see why, you know, the Islamist words that that's my object to it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's the exact mirror image of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_09]: doctrinal aspects of Islamic practice or any other groups practice and then generalizing it to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, and also do it the other way and go like, you know, I know the thing of three about the Talmud and it says that you're wrong and I'm right and you're an infidel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing about it in general, but people, I think, need to realize in general, we're talking about a very secular ideology in Zionism, whether or not it's attached to Judaism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not going to say it's not attached.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it's attached to Judaism, but in the same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, Parasite is attached to a fish, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_09]: You can attach the outcome of a football game to Jesus' will.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But I like anything post-facto can be harnessed to motivate and justify and explain what's happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is why in general, when it comes to religion, I'm largely ambivalent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like pro religion in any sense, but people, I think they obfuscate the very secular origins of a lot of
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[SPEAKER_02]: this, you know, Zionism is settler colonial.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not get into, uh, oh, here's what the secret book says about why the Jews do the things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, because they're doing racist apartheid.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You don't need to, which they learn from Christians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, you know, it's like, you know, I'm not going to say that Christians got that from Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got it from fucking feudalism, or they got it from fucking whatever system of government that said we need to anyways go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: My empty poor was lovely.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I went to both the Colnidry service.
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[SPEAKER_09]: on Sunday night, and then I went to the full morning service yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Somehow I didn't have my usual resistance to it this year.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I actually wanted to be around a group of other Jews, which I don't often feel that desire to be in community in that way.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a kind of a loner, but it was really nice.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Some of my favorite moments were,
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[SPEAKER_09]: Well, first of all, and this is, this is, I'm just speaking for me, I'm not, I'm not trying to argue any position.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But one of the reasons I was wary is that the synagogue or the congregation has long had like a mandatory masking policy for lack of all of these years.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I, I just am not comfortable sitting for a long time in a mask with this beer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't believe in the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's not that it's not ideological.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's strictly about kind of a certain degree of comfort and capacity.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And like, I don't want to be in synagogue that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, right, right, right, right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But what the, what the rabbi said at Rosh Hashanah, which I live streamed, he said, look, we have a lot we're all in a body.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And clearly it had been an aspect of growing controversy within the congregation, a friend of mine who goes there said that on the list serve, there was all kinds of back and forwards about whether they should still be doing this.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So we said we're all in the body and we all have different bodies and we'll have different needs and we're trying to be inclusive and we're trying to make a safe space for people who are immunocompromised and at the same time there's some of you who for a health reasons cannot mask.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And there's others for you who masking gets in the way of prayer and gets in the way of God.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So we've created an unmasked section off to the side.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And your masked friends and family are welcome to sit with you over there.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So I just, I'm not passing judgment on it, but I did find there's something humorous that here I am sitting in the special needs section for people who need to breathe fresh air.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like helping it in Denny's in 1986.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, we just put up like a little half glass wall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that separates the two sections.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but I also appreciated the spirit of it also, you know, and I've glad that they made room for a little bit of people like you are uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I listen, I will fully admit that I have just horrible Xima and whenever I get too much moisture on my face from wearing a mask, it's a bummer for me, but you know, I do it in public.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do it in public spaces, like, or, you know, like, planes and fucking buses and stuff like that is, is, is, is, is often as I can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, please don't, please don't start DMing me that I'm a U genesis or something because sometimes I, I forget, please, and please don't start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Call me, you're DMing me and telling me that I'm a, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Um, the other few moments that I found really enjoyed is that during the tour reading, there were different, I mean, it's a really awesome synagogue.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Like there was a guy who got up there with a saxophone, well another dude did the softer up portion, almost like a beat poetry thing, it was very cool.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But during the tour reading, they had various people reading the different verses.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And there were different levels of fluency and singing voice and confidence.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But literally every single one of them, even the most confident, each of them had a Jimmy
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[SPEAKER_09]: which is where they're like singing along.
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[SPEAKER_09]: No, but not that.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's like, Vailment, I don't know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a shit.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a shit, I'm a shit, I'm a shit.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This is the mood.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And every, you know, everyone's of course very, very kind and understands it's hard to go up there and be up there and do it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But I just couldn't help thinking of chiming, be like, wow, what a beautiful, shoot.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Put a beautiful, good, good, good, good, good.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And lastly, there's that that prayer that I was channeling at the beginning of that episode, which is the Acrostic, which we did a riff on a couple of years ago of the, you know, we have sined going through the alphabet, different words.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And in Hebrew, the one for the letter HET is, it's Hamas Nu.
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[SPEAKER_09]: We have Hamas, which we have Dana Hamas.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Which translates, I believe, as we have slandered.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And which I found it is a must.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And we've slandered other people by calling them hum hum hum.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You just come us as slandered.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So I thought that was just a beautiful little Easter egg by God, or by the people who wrote our liturgy.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Those centuries ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They prepared us for this moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They saw into the future and said they're going to have to do a little toning for all the hummus slanders they would
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then I went to the outdoor use course service, the remembrance and, you know, in the progressive Brooklyn world, a recommitting to political action and refusing complicity rally outside at Grand Army Plaza.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And we have some material to talk about from that, because it caused no small bit of
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[SPEAKER_09]: Twittering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: On the X.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The the tweeters were tweeting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The birds were chirping over this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, people celebrating young online did a bunch of different things before we get to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to point out the IDF did a post.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not at Israel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about at
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[SPEAKER_02]: IDF did a post of someone blowing a show far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to show you guys because I mean, there's just been nothing better than this at IDF.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The IDF wishes you a safe, easy and meaningful fast and easy meaningful and anonymous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for those you listening, what you see is an IDF soldier with his fucking, you know, M16 or whatever, you know, around him, but he's blowing a show far in front of the western wall and front of the western wall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the important thing to note is that yes, they have censored his face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They blurred out his face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They anonymized the IDF soldier because look.
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[SPEAKER_09]: when you're so iridimably guilty that you have to pixelate your own face so that not even God can judge you on young people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is crazy to be like that next.
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[SPEAKER_09]: See, if there was a mask that pixelated my face, because God can see through a can, 95.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure that there was some way to blur my image.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I could feel good and at a toning, but take no actual accountability and not be under any real scrutiny.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that might be the most Zionist, wonderful thing in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the sense of only God can judge me, but not even God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the ICJ is very real and on earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna make sure that I'm blurred out like that God forgive his Photoshop protect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly exactly just just being like let's let's be real here, you know God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll deal with me later, but for now, I got to watch out for the hay, all right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, just shout out to the IDF for always keeping it real when it comes to the various workgrimes of the people in their service.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, Brad Lander gave this speech that a lot of people had some thoughts on, let's play a little bit of it in daily life.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You were, I'll just give some context, so this is the least score.
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[SPEAKER_09]: afternoon service before the final home stretch.
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[SPEAKER_09]: People return to something agon break the fast afterwards, but this is around 330 pm.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, the hunger is ramping up the intensity, the the stakes, the gates of heaven or the gates of
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[SPEAKER_09]: judgment are going to close pretty soon, and there's what's called the escorer, which means remembrance.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So it's often a service for the dead, but in progressive circles it's turned into a kind of accountability, uh, uh, recommitting to our political beliefs and, and a toning and grieving collectively for collective complicity collective crimes.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And all this.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So for the past three years, rabbis for ceasefire, Jewish voice for peace, if not now, J. Fredge, all these
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[SPEAKER_09]: offering a public service, not a rally, but a service in at Grand Army Plaza, and Mahmoud Khalil spoke yesterday, very powerfully, and a Palestinian woman who's near my forget from a West Bank village, which is on the verge of being wiped out by settlers in the Army.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Hala Alian, I hope I'm not butchering her name, a wonderful poet who read a great poet of hers, a poem of hers called Redacted, and Brad Lander kicked things off with this speech.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, we'll play it and then maybe I'll share my impressions and then we'll look at some of the kind of like with the Naza thing, like there's there's there's responses and then and then it gets totally
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[SPEAKER_09]: the Zionist freak out makes it almost moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it overshadows a lot of the nuance talks about, you know, let's be, you know, honest, the liberal Zionism of, you know, of Brad Lander.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But here is that speech.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The Shana Tava, a very hit-tav.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is an honor to observe young people with so many Jewish and multi-faith neighbors who say no to Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_05]: who say no to ethnic cleansing, who say no to human-made famine, who say no to the use of US tax dollars to bomb entire families, who say no to war criminals in our city, this holy week or any week.
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[SPEAKER_05]: On Yom Kippur, we say our prayers of confession and atonement, in first-person plural, a shamnu, bagadnu, we have sinned, we have transgressed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, we can only do that work together in community.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I know that many of you, dare I say most of you, and a growing number of Jews are non-Zionists or anti-Zionists, and I respect that, and I'm committed to organizing with you around our shared goals.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I also want to speak today to my fellow liberal and progressive Zionists about the repentance that we must do today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because as someone who feels a connection to Israel, who cares about it, I feel today so deeply that my videoe, my confession, must center on my on our complicity in what I view as genocide and Gaza.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I understand the hesitation of some to call it genocide.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I understand and share fears of rising anti-Semitism, and I understand even though I don't share it, the feeling of antagonism some have to those who reject the vision of a Jewish state.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what I don't understand is this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For those Jews who share that connection to Israel, when we confess our collective transgressions today before God,
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[SPEAKER_05]: how can you not join me in seeing the want and destruction of Gaza?
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[SPEAKER_05]: The famine exacerbates by the way.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think we can stop it there because from here he goes on to list all the things there are to object to and you know he goes on to give deliver a speech that I think any
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[SPEAKER_09]: non-zionist or anti-zionist would be happy with.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But for me, first of all, he was the first speaker.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And to me, it was a very odd, it's an odd feeling to have an elected official kick off a religious service.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It feels shoehorned and it doesn't, it, it, it took me out and especially one who's going to be like, look, I know that I'm basically at a virulently anti, anti Zionist thing.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I understand why some of you think, some, some people think all of you are anti semites, even though I, I don't think all of you are anti semites and I myself, unlike you feel a connection to Israel.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But I still want to talk to my fellow Dodo birds.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, my fellow, we extinct yet species of liberal and progressive Zionist.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So to me, it was just like, if it's true that all or most of us are, which is true at that rally, and it's very large crowd, maybe a thousand people, then it's just an odd choice to start things off that way.
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[SPEAKER_09]: To me, what I wanted to say to him, if I would have heckled him, which I decided not to, because I was hungry, never heckle hungry folks.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Is if you're serious about your videoe, your confession, and acknowledging your complicity, then complicity and genocide, they're not just words, they have implications.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You have to understand where that genocide came from.
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[SPEAKER_09]: who did it and why, what the motivating systems are that generated it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then at some point, it's going to lead you back to this thing that you seem to rest your clinging to liberal progressive Zionism on, which is this quote unquote connection to Israel.
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[SPEAKER_09]: which is fallacious in two ways.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Number one, there's plenty of people in that crowd who have a connection to that land, who might have connection to people there, who might have connection to particular places there, right?
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[SPEAKER_09]: He's creating a false dichotomy between people who give a shit about it and people who just hate it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: He's saying, well, look, I respect you for wanting nothing to do with it and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's not true.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This question is what leads me to the second fallacy?
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[SPEAKER_09]: What is Israel?
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[SPEAKER_09]: What do you have a connection to?
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[SPEAKER_09]: What you're saying when you say you're a liberal or progressive Zionist is that you still have a connection to and want to safeguard at all costs.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's a paramount importance and it will supersede other values.
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[SPEAKER_09]: The state of Israel, which by definition is an ethno-nationalist apartheid state,
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[SPEAKER_09]: It cannot be otherwise you want to keep clinging to your two state solution fantasy at this point.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Then you just have to acknowledge, I want an ethno state and they can have their own ethno state on less arable land and a tiny percentage of their historical, and you just have to own that.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You cannot anymore to me.
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[SPEAKER_09]: continue to do this thing of, look, let's agree to disagree.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a progressive Zionist and I'm going to really interrogate my complicity in this genus.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're not interrogating it fully if you don't interrogate.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So-called connection to Israel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also hate this rebrand of progressive Zionist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what we are used to calling liberal Zionists now, we also have this new sub-term called progressive Zionist.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I can actually knew that's what we used to call ourselves in the 90s and the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think I'd ever heard that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe I hadn't just was like, okay, this is just liberal Zionism, just called progressive for summary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like liberal Zionism, but we want Medicare for all, I guess?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't fucking know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's also this politicians need to be all things to all people like us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay to like me even if you don't like that I am, you know, basically an anti-azionist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, and here's some crumbs as to how I'm not an anti-azionist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also anti-azionist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These scientists, people, they're okay too, like there's a lot to like there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They, it's just kind of like, whatever you think it's okay as long as you vote for me.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm always about function and he has played an important function in the New York City Yorkshire Movement in the, you know, he's done some good anti-scientist work locally.
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[SPEAKER_09]: On that level, just like you've all Abraham, I don't really care what's in his heart.
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[SPEAKER_09]: What I do care about is when he's given pride of place at a religious service, when a secular
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[SPEAKER_09]: politician and elected politician who speaks like a politician moves like a politician thinks like a politician is given pride a place that is a spiritual service that's supposed to be a solemn insolidarity moment with, you know, Macmood Felliel there and a Palestinian woman speaking forcefully about what Zionism has done to her people.
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[SPEAKER_09]: To me, it's just not appropriate to start things off with this kind of wishy.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It just waters it down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, to Adam's point, you know, you reminded me of something from the show succession which, you know, like politicians in general, it's like, you know, if you, you can't ride two horses at the same time, then you don't belong in the circus is, you know, something they said in the show regarding like being able to sort of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: play cake everyone and play all sides.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's something to be said about that in terms of what it means to be a politician and what it means to get elected to then go forth and do stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think when you're talking about this particular
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, service and sort of what he is actually doing there in front of a, let's be honest, a constituency of people who are not sitting there going, uh, you know, I am a, a liberal Zionist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is very much, uh, you know, this is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's playing to this old and sort of useless idea that Zionism is just kind of what's in your heart, you know, Zionism is just something that is personalized to you, like a sort of Protestant Zionism that has to be bad if it's what I believe exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you know, Judaism is all about customs, right?
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[SPEAKER_09]: So we customize.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Special orders don't upset us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact we insist on making special orders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Old the pickles hold the lettuce.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy, 10 out of 10 for that one, but the, you know, I see the function thing the same way you do and I don't feel that this is a case in which
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[SPEAKER_02]: there is much function to it other than it being sort of like his own personal carved out lane, which is like, well, you know, and to that point, this was basically a reiteration of his substack post for a couple of days before.
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[SPEAKER_09]: He was basically reading what is mounted to a new talk, a new stump speech, right, without regard to the context or the place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what I guess what I will say is something similar to the conversation we had about you've all, which is that about, you know, function.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In general, when it comes to, when it comes to the personal beliefs of a lot of these people, I do see it as almost beyond the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is something that I feel like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the left needs to try to internalize the idea of the useful idiot, the way the right does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can say, well, hey, what is Brad lander or you've all Abraham's real goal here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is like deep in their heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to, you know, they're trying to rebrand Zionism whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that could be true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But amongst the wave, or within a wave of very fervent anti-zine sentiment from this particular crowd, and then also in general, a more and more Israel-critical, sort of political baseline that is present throughout
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[SPEAKER_02]: not just Europe, but one up, but also in the United States now, growing, these voices just count as, you know, if you're looking at bad faith, oh, they are useful idiots for anti-zionism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good, let them be useful idiots for anti-zionism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they themselves are not going to personally be able to steer the ship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not worried if
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[SPEAKER_02]: a Brad lander or a Uval Abraham has some secret ideas about how they're going to revive Zionism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is something to always be concerned about, and I understand that, but also you understand the general sentiment around is just this is just one voice in a sea of growing voices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of people who are saying Israel is doing an apartheid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that to me is like a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So we should make use of the useful, but at the same time, I think that makes it incumbent upon us, you have ever organized these kind of things to realize when they're useful and where they're useful.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And this feels like what it would have been a really useful speech to make on the upper west side of the other east side.
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[SPEAKER_09]: At a place where Jews are actively in that uncomfortable place and need someone who can
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[SPEAKER_09]: tip them gently and compassionately over that edge towards us.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, absolutely great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see a mirror frame with speech at wherever I'm in her shoes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, wherever I'm in her shoes.
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[SPEAKER_09]: More than 90 seconds straight why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but there it's useful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's usefulness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At this point was just in sort of being something that was clipped.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, online, uh, so that Zionist could yell at it, which is a use, um, but it is, you know, that's, that's, that's basically just useful to us at the bad as bar podcast.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's bad because it, it's,
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[SPEAKER_09]: Any time you, I mean, they went to town on the fact that Mahmoud Khalil spoke and all that.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But Bradlander was the thing that gave them the most ammunition.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then they can come in and be like, look at these anti-zineist twisting Jewish tradition.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This is not what it's supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_09]: They're using, they're misusing Jewish liturgy to promote bloodlible and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And the fact that it's an elected official who is already cynicism coded by the,
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[SPEAKER_09]: by dint of his job description, just being a politician, makes that easier and it makes it more, it brings it out in fuller force.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so here is this one guy, fucking Max Nordau, who is by all accounts a not Jewish person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just been this like pro Israel shill since, you know, I became aware of him, which was around October 7th.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyways, he wrote this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brad Lander gives the most nauseating, self-hating, sac religious, yam-koport speech you will ever hear.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then he goes on to just quote him from various times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's doing like time code.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, he says, okay, it opens.
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[SPEAKER_09]: If he brew, yeah, there's no, there's no need to go through it, because we've already seen a lot of these greatest hits.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And he, he just quotes him and to, to his audience, it's supposed to be self-evidently,
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[SPEAKER_09]: sack religious.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't think there was anything sack religious in there whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's completely legitimate for Jews to use this time to get together collectively and think about our collective sin against others.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that occurs with my spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also, like, you know, again, we're dealing with this
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[SPEAKER_02]: propaganda from sort of these like non-Jewish conservative Zionist accounts who love to do the thing that I'm sorry Zionists complain about all the time, including Army Hirsch, who actually during his like Yom Kupor speech, he said he was tired of
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[SPEAKER_02]: non-Jews telling Jews what Judaism is or telling Jews how to you know be Jewish and I was like well here's yeah that's for us to do about Islam right that's for us to do about Islam and it's for people like Max to do about Jews because he's doing it in a pro Israel style well to be fair it's also for Jews to do about Jews pronoun patrol
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[SPEAKER_09]: whoever the fuck that is, but might be a Jewish account might not be Pro-boy, that's a really good course cartoon, I think.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Paw Patrol, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_09]: On Yom Kippur, Jews worldwide apologize to God for people like Bradlander.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Joel M. Petlin, who's seen sounds like a Jewish name.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It looks kind of Jewish, says no one should be shocked that Bradlander twisted an ancient Holy Jewish prayer into a libelist political statement at a perverse.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yom Kippur Rally, this is the man who quoted from the Quran in Arabic at a Queens mosque, where the Imam called for infels to be killed by the sword.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I love that in just herding, yeah, shooting, hoarning in some fucking Islamophobic bullshit for no reason and also being like, this is the same guy who spoke Arabic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fuck what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tally God, who has never called for vengeance of any kind, probably.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: One of the prayers on Yom Kippur calls God slow to anger, quick to forgive.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, is that in the liturgy?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Is that out?
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[SPEAKER_09]: I guess on good time, maybe it's slow.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, maybe if I have a brook to me.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tally gold chef, clearly Israeli, says, or maybe just Israeli coded.
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[SPEAKER_09]: While Yom Kippur offers an opportunity to become a better human, Bradlander manages to sink even lower.
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[SPEAKER_09]: He was joined by none other than Mahmoud Khalil at this foul rally.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then someone's Michael Rappport called them who was brutalized by the government.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_09]: God.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This hero of free speech.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Michael Rappport said, look at this tap dancing pathetic clown.
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[SPEAKER_09]: There's no need for these types.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This sick puppy tap dancing Bradlanders is a human genocide.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Where are the gossens and muslims that at tone for ten seven?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Every terrorist attack.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Any atonement from a single Palestinian ever, please show me.
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[SPEAKER_09]: etc.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And then someone asks, rachameem x, which is a pretty funny screen name since rachameem means compassion.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Is this what reform shoes are like?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Asking sincerely, as I've never stepped foot in one.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This is basically what I imagine they're all like, along with complimentary pepperoni pizza lunch, provided for everyone in attendance during yum kippur.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And of course, they're pretending that this is at a synagogue or something.
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[SPEAKER_09]: This is an outdoor in-between services.
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[SPEAKER_09]: gathering for a particular tradition called you score, it's not the main line, you don't keep our service.
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[SPEAKER_09]: But anyway, that's what the Zionists have been saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's mad what he said, but my favorite was something you pointed out, and I'm be real with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This account, I cannot speak to the veracity of this count, meaning I don't know if this is a real person who's actually like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and there's just a...
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[SPEAKER_09]: Her account says Black Caribbean American, Living Life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so apparently, allegedly, this is a black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Arabian-American living life in New York.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm in Shadwavidai and Barry Weiss follower.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You may be a real dev.
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[SPEAKER_09]: They have high standards for veracity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They sure do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They love real being a recent wave of dolas allying that has been coming out.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: There was an activist wearing Philly or somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was an infilly who was just like, by the way, I'm not Palestinian.
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[SPEAKER_09]: By the way, I'm actually Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And my family is Israeli.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm white.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, we're very embarrassing, but here is this possibly real Caribbean woman I'm talking about this, she wrote, look at this blood clot, Brad Lenda, I'm sorry, no voices, no voices.
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[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's okay, you can do voices because on Instagram now, both our our algorithms are feeding us Jamaicans doing potua lessons, probably for what we can sign up and pay for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we're thinking of taking a class on potholes and just because we feel like we want to get our certificate right because right now obviously we're credentialed then you don't get the no voices no voices exactly exactly as long as I as I have a certificate.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I can print out but anyways then we need certificate feed you the voices
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this blood clatt-rass clatt-bom-bom, pussy clatt- I'm sorry guys, Brad lander.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a Gentile, but I know it's a day to be with the community and prayer, not doing performative nonsense like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck that a rev-rub, I'm sorry, but you can't start off with look at this bumbleclad, and then talk about the a rev-rub, like which is this rub, I think a rev-rub just means good evening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's the term for the Jews of Israel, the Jews of Egypt who did not cross into the Holy Land.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're the evil, the evil brothers of the Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a term that is like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, but this is not something that fucking bomb a clot, Molano N5-8356, you know, flag flag flag flag flag, like the entire Caribbean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: knows about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, she might be a real person, but she's certainly getting fed the fucking Hasbarah talking points, and that's a really specific Hasbarah talking point, talking about the era of Rob.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, uh, I love uh, I love me a Caribbean has bars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would like, uh, I would like more of that if if I could.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's let's say I've been talking because I've been trying to work out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Erive Rob base and DJ EZ Rock.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It takes you to make a thing go right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes you to make that side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was one politician who has, I think she's just trying to get some blood clout.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's just trying to get a bummer clout.
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[SPEAKER_09]: She's a bummer clout chasing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a bummer clout chasing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's one politician who was using Jewish holiday to, you know, do a little bit of politics and maybe here's another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Abdul al-Said came out with a video in which he was celebrating Rosh Hashanah with, sorry, before you go on, I shouldn't note, obviously Louis also in Canada made a young keeper statement that outraged all the Canadians' Zionists, including Jesse Brown,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's exactly the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_09]: They're twisting Judaism.
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[SPEAKER_09]: They're using it despite blood level.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Avilaus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You said nothing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Avilaus always, always on the right side as far as I can tell when it comes to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where's Jesse Brown?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but Abdul al-Sahyad posted this video of him doing a little rush of shan I get together.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is Kugo, I have to tell you, this is my grandma's recipe from my mom's mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She makes it better than I had to go on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've got pomegranates, apple cake, we did for apples, and honey, we resized the blessing of eating the tree fruit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do an Hebrew first and many English, which is Perk-Ata, I don't know, I'll hate you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Malachar-Lam, Bray-Pree, Hayat's.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The English translation is Blaster U, Lord our God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: King of the universe recreates the food of the tree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Amen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This video came out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit awkward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to figure this for normal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Filmed Russia.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So when you walk in, hug someone you've never met.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I've earned their first name.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Sit down, get introduced to Cougle.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And sit there.
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[SPEAKER_09]: So a duel is doing in her little.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It hurts a little.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A duel is doing the thing of Politicking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to, you know, stop this coordinated effort by the, you know, a lot of the institutional Jewish community in Michigan to paint him as an Islamic fundamentalist fucking anti-Semite and so he's doing
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[SPEAKER_02]: of what I think he thinks he has to do, and what, you know, it might be true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's somewhat needs to do, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's part of the process of campaigning, but it's really a tone meant.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And it's a tone meant that like it is done in this way.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's like, well, you're returning to the wrong people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is the, this is what he's stuck in right now, is there anybody who will say, I wasn't going to vote for him, but then I saw him eat a crippler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see, this is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the answer to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My initial thought would be, no, anyone who is being poisoned against him on this sort of religious sort of racial grounds on it is getting enough propaganda to fight against what is, you know, even looked at by
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, I am not fundamentally against politicians who are, you know, I would rather that this I suppose than politicians who are in general, you know, just being like, no, fuck, fuck this entire community, you don't want that either, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I understand that at least from sort of a campaigning standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, when this shit fucking happens, you are still going to be attacked by the fucking his bars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do something that I find.
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[SPEAKER_02]: infinitely more disgusting, I think than, you know, what you've, I mean, maybe similarly discussing what they do to Bradlander, which is instead of trying to, you know, call him a capo or what not with what that dual, they're actually just attacking the family that let him in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is just no amount of bowing and scraping that is enough for people who want to character assassinate you like this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, you know, he could convert and wouldn't be Jew-friendly enough for them, you know, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and what's worse is that you have like, you know, you have Jews calling other Jews, not Jews because of the shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always find that to be the most disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's someone who is a
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[SPEAKER_02]: According to his account, Noah Pollock is a Trump admin appointee serving a senior advisor in office of terrorism and financial intel at Treasury and office of Secretary of Education.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Views my own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Noah Pollock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, add an extra L to it, man.
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[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he's a senior director of submarine screen door installation for the Trump administration.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, top senior advisor to other poll, I'm trying to screw in a light bulb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So here is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here is what he said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, Stranger's post doesn't mention that Missy and Elaine, how cute that's in parentheses, are in fact JVP activists, fake Jews, support Hamas, endorsed October 7th, and collaborate with the DSA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Minor quibbles, uh, though.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm true.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Actually, I remember I did watch that, you know, that Hamas footage.
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[SPEAKER_09]: of them, you know, beheading 400 babies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 400 babies?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, reviving Hitler, Frankenstein style, with all that shit, and at the end of it, it said, we're Missy and Elaine, and we endorse this message.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very famously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, also, you know, it's like minor quibbles, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure all three of them had a super meaningful and authentic Russia, Shana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like you've got, you've got these Trump administration officials
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, spouting off some like just I mean, sorry, but it's straight up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is just anti-Semitism to look at Jews who are against genocide, inviting up to all say it into their home for Russia, Shana and just saying like fake fake Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They love dead Jews.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They love October 7th.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're Hamas Lake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this to me is actually, you know, anti-Semitic, and it is something that you would help distinguishes the criticism between, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Republicans and Democrats, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'd hope they're like the difference between these two parties in terms of criticism of this candidate is one is doing open Islamophobic and anti-Semitic panic bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the other is got some policy different now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_09]: push his ultra-zionist Republican opponent in the Senate race and remember, and the other isn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is just, of course, classic Democrat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to watch these types of tactics being adopted, and not even adopted, but straight up, I mean, they're being created by the fucking, like, Democratic Party think tank class.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's normal.
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[SPEAKER_09]: And this isn't anyone you can slime, I can slime better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're doing it first, and they're pretending as if Republicans
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[SPEAKER_02]: are going to be the ones who are doing this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's why they like, and we're going to get into this after the break, but it's why they keep attacking a duel for Hassan Piker, is they won't say out loud, why campaigning with Hassan Piker, you know, who I think is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although, I mean, they do do that out loud too, but they'll be like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: someone who the Republicans will accuse you of supporting, you know, because of, he loves nine eleven and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They always bring it back to the Republicans will say when it's them who are saying it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll get into more of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But first we got to take a little break, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to, we got to take a small, tiny break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm spent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're back as bad as borrow the world's most more podcast and we got to talk a little bit about Mr. Hassan Piker the you know the Turkish streamer who is poisoning the American body politics through ab work outs or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How has nobody told him a Turkish delight?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone's got to have called him a turkish to light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just about to make a turkish to light, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_09]: He's a turkish to light.
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[SPEAKER_09]: He's a turkish to light.
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[SPEAKER_09]: A turkish to light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A turkish to not gonna work here anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, that was an office space reference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, so in order to talk about him, we first have to talk about something a duel, say it said recently on MSNBC, which is called MS now, I'm not going to call it that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that all right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to go to the Chagrin of Bill Gates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We call Twitter, Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just like, I'm not going to, I'm not changing the, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm calling MSNBC because that's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MS soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, MS soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MS if not now when.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MS if not now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: MS now, now, now that was my impression of what's his name, who played Lincoln, who was also,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, now, now, that's how he spoke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very weird accent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Abdul Elsaid, uh, went on MSNBC and finally cave somewhat, um, to the pressure, uh, that has been, um, you know, unrelenting, uh, any cave by saying that he had no future plans to campaign with a sonpiker, which I'm like, it's, it's like half of a cave, I guess, because I don't, uh, you know, I don't actually think there was any plans for them to
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it became a full cave when he also admitted that he was going to be campaigning with Kamala Harris, and I have that video.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not only am I not going to campaign with someone who likes Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to campaign with somebody you fucking hate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So here is this clip back to 2024.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One of the hardest issues to deal with was the genocide in Gaza.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I was probably supportive of uncommitted because I understood that I wanted the party to understand.
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[SPEAKER_06]: that this was going to be a devastating situation for a lot of folks, because our tax dollars were being used to subsidize the worst things that should have been used to invest in the best things.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now, the moment that President Biden called out of the race and Vice President Harris had become the nominee, I endorsed her and I endorsed her because I understood that whether you saw this race from the eyes of a child and Detroit who I was responsible for is Wayne County's health director or the eyes of a child in Gaza, that Donald Trump
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[SPEAKER_06]: we've got a large diverse community we're not Alaska and a lot of folks in the black community from whom I've heard said you know what you know we we believe you but if the vice president said it we might believe her a little bit more because of course she was the one who is the candidate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's also boy he's lost all his riz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I mean I'll be real happy but he's kept all his Obama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he definitely is, I mean, he's, he's up in the Obama quotient in the way that he is sort of carrying himself here, I don't think he's gone full Obama.
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[SPEAKER_09]: At some speeches when he gets into the cadence.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, it's very hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard, it's hard, it's hard.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I can't, I really can't stand that he's really working the folks muscle too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, guys, you know, it's, it's okay to say people.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's okay to say people.
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[SPEAKER_09]: It's okay to say voters.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You don't have to say folks every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me be clear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to talk like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, so this was something where his explanation is essentially like, look, there's people in the black community who still like Kamala Harris and Truster and they would believe me more when I say that these attacks that I, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: anti-black or that I am anti-democratic party or anti-comal Harris are fake and they would trust them more if they heard it from her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To which I would say like number one, I don't really follow this idea that automatically
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[SPEAKER_02]: the amount of people who like love Kamala Harris if she can't comes out to campaign with you are automatically going to be in support of you as if they wouldn't already against a right-wing Republican candidate like it to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Democratic base is
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Democratic base is going to vote for the Democrat.
01:05:00.706 --> 01:05:04.108
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of like sort of how it works with this like electoral politics.
01:05:05.469 --> 01:05:13.196
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, at this stage of the election, who is it that you think you are going to win over by this sort of tick-y tack?
01:05:13.356 --> 01:05:17.299
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, look who's standing next to me, so I must be okay.
01:05:25.580 --> 01:05:28.262
[SPEAKER_03]: over this issue is going to be swayed by Kamala Harris.
01:05:28.362 --> 01:05:29.503
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:05:29.643 --> 01:05:38.630
[SPEAKER_09]: And aren't there better black politicians or figureheads in Michigan that it was she a clear winner for them?
01:05:38.710 --> 01:05:44.715
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, I don't know the numbers, but apparently she did worse in the black community than Biden did in 2020, right?
01:05:44.735 --> 01:05:49.539
[SPEAKER_09]: Because it was the administration and, you know, a whole lot of other things.
01:05:50.774 --> 01:05:56.396
[SPEAKER_09]: not specifically the person to like, it is Kamala Harris herself, a slam dunk in that community.
01:05:56.416 --> 01:05:59.157
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, that's, that's my question too.
01:05:59.217 --> 01:06:08.680
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also, I look at this and I go, so this seems to hinge on the idea that there are a bunch of Kamala Harris supporters
01:06:09.620 --> 01:06:32.986
[SPEAKER_02]: who just like she is so so much of an exciting person that they will come out because Kamala is coming and then they'll hear about a duel for the first time and support him and I'm like, is that a huge, to me it all just seems like they are placating this one narrative that exists that is being pushed out by both
01:06:33.606 --> 01:06:59.733
[SPEAKER_02]: Democratic Party establishment figures and by the Republicans, which is that pro-Palestinian Arabs are inherently anti-black that they hated Kamala Harris because they are anti-black and he is just trying to he's trying to swat away that narrative by capitulating to it and I hate that I mean, that's not the same tap or primary
01:07:00.353 --> 01:07:14.761
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, yes, yes, and it handcuffs him from, I mean, someone in the black community asked him about anti-black racism in the Arab community, you know, and fair enough, I'm not a part of either groups, so I can't really speak to it.
01:07:15.461 --> 01:07:23.125
[SPEAKER_09]: But it handcuffs him from being able to say, yeah, there's a lot of animosity between these groups, and I don't understand it, and I want to squash it.
01:07:23.365 --> 01:07:26.487
[SPEAKER_09]: Instead, he has to be like, you know, I've always spoken out against.
01:07:27.179 --> 01:07:31.256
[SPEAKER_09]: You're like, you can't name that during the genocide.
01:07:32.225 --> 01:07:35.306
[SPEAKER_09]: there was a lot of animosity going in the other direction too.
01:07:35.466 --> 01:07:58.473
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, specifically, the Democratic Party establishment using their figureheads, their black figureheads specifically to to denigrate pro-Palestine activists, especially in the Arab community, and especially in Michigan, especially in the Arab Black and to erase black, pro-Palestine advocates.
01:07:58.573 --> 01:08:00.153
[SPEAKER_09]: Right, to a younger generation, yes.
01:08:02.174 --> 01:08:10.276
[SPEAKER_03]: And also puts Kamala in a position to be interviewed and to sell Siyat out and say like, well on this issue, obviously he's wrong, and I'm right.
01:08:10.516 --> 01:08:11.376
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, exactly.
01:08:11.396 --> 01:08:12.837
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a power she does not deserve.
01:08:13.317 --> 01:08:22.119
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and, but, you know, it is like the, you know, excuse me, I'm speaking type of animosity.
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.340
[SPEAKER_02]: That went that way, it went that way towards,
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:29.461
[SPEAKER_02]: Arabs and Muslims and the residents of Deerborn.
01:08:30.162 --> 01:08:47.987
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, it was used as a cudgel, especially black identity and black figureheads within the Democratic Party establishment used a lot of the times their position as a representative of the black community in order.
01:08:48.647 --> 01:09:17.154
[SPEAKER_02]: to attack pro Palestine advocacy and advocates as not just antisemites but also anti black because it wouldn't support Kamala Harris because she said she wanted to like you know continue arming Israel and continue fucking you know like it was it was very clear that they were pulling sort of an identity politics sort of you know rug pull or whatever you fucking want to call it but um anyways I kind of just insert something there please
01:09:18.530 --> 01:09:21.093
[SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if he's doing a reverse democratic party thing.
01:09:21.113 --> 01:09:25.758
[SPEAKER_09]: You know how the Democratic Party always assumes they've got black voters in their back pocket and they can just take them for granted.
01:09:26.038 --> 01:09:29.882
[SPEAKER_09]: Always assumes they've got progressives in their back pocket and they can take it for granted.
01:09:30.303 --> 01:09:34.528
[SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if at this point I'll do all I'll say it's people are like, well we've got Arab voters in our back pocket.
01:09:34.548 --> 01:09:36.370
[SPEAKER_09]: We got propel of this time people in our back pocket.
01:09:36.710 --> 01:09:37.311
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't worry about it.
01:09:37.591 --> 01:09:38.872
[SPEAKER_09]: Now we need to lean.
01:09:39.613 --> 01:09:41.514
[SPEAKER_09]: you know, we need to air on the other side.
01:09:41.674 --> 01:09:43.676
[SPEAKER_09]: And I think that is right.
01:09:43.936 --> 01:09:46.618
[SPEAKER_09]: And it might be true as far as this November goes.
01:09:47.298 --> 01:09:53.122
[SPEAKER_09]: But but when it, I mean, which is probably the, you know, short-sightedness in politics is the name of the game.
01:09:53.162 --> 01:09:54.783
[SPEAKER_09]: You, you win the game.
01:09:54.803 --> 01:09:55.864
[SPEAKER_09]: You're currently playing.
01:09:55.884 --> 01:09:59.006
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't think about the season or the or the long term.
01:10:00.287 --> 01:10:01.888
[SPEAKER_09]: But it's, it's really nauseating
01:10:05.591 --> 01:10:17.154
[SPEAKER_09]: Just like, you know, Zoran, but Zoran sold out considerably less, I would say, then, then, Abdullah said, is giving indications that he might cause Zoran's already in power, and he got all the way to power by sticking to his guns on most things.
01:10:17.574 --> 01:10:24.636
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't like him saying he's not going to even show up to the protest for Netanyahu after all that, bruhaha over, you know, I'm going to arrest him if I can't.
01:10:25.276 --> 01:10:30.757
[SPEAKER_09]: But I just, I just don't like the feeling of watching someone take any group of voters for granted.
01:10:31.092 --> 01:10:37.353
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, that's the thing, it's like the centrist pivot that candidates do after they win the primaries and whatnot.
01:10:37.453 --> 01:10:41.254
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, there's two ways of looking at this.
01:10:41.274 --> 01:10:43.415
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one is like, this is selling out.
01:10:43.435 --> 01:10:45.635
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the other way of going, this is like strategy.
01:10:46.416 --> 01:10:57.258
[SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to, I wanted to bring in a son, piker's thoughts on this, which felt to me a little bit, like he's sort of coping a little bit with the idea that this is something else I had as now,
01:11:01.019 --> 01:11:11.105
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's not fully throwing, I don't think Hassan looks at this as he's throwing me under the bus, but I think he's looking at it as like, hey, look, this is the name of the game, this is how politics works.
01:11:11.465 --> 01:11:24.033
[SPEAKER_09]: Hassan might be relieved at the prospect of, like at this point, all of the, all of the tourists that is he's incurred from stepping on to the, the campaigning battle field and all that.
01:11:24.373 --> 01:11:29.720
[SPEAKER_09]: which probably isn't his favorite thing to do, he did it out of a sense of purpose and solidarity, right?
01:11:30.161 --> 01:11:36.589
[SPEAKER_09]: It's so fraught now that I, you know, there might be, he's not saying it, but there might be a certain degree of relief, like, no, guys, it's all right.
01:11:37.049 --> 01:11:37.310
[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
01:11:37.430 --> 01:11:38.171
[SPEAKER_09]: I want out.
01:11:38.291 --> 01:11:38.571
[SPEAKER_09]: Good.
01:11:38.591 --> 01:11:38.832
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:11:38.932 --> 01:11:41.115
[SPEAKER_03]: The way he puts it here is a little bit.
01:11:41.135 --> 01:11:42.657
[SPEAKER_03]: The position is a bomb thrower.
01:11:43.095 --> 01:11:44.756
[SPEAKER_10]: The question always is, do you want to win?
01:11:45.396 --> 01:11:48.658
[SPEAKER_10]: And if you want to win, you have to do this, okay?
01:11:49.698 --> 01:11:51.859
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't think it's a bad idea at all.
01:11:51.879 --> 01:11:52.740
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it's a good idea.
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:55.621
[SPEAKER_10]: And I want Obama to come out and stand for obdool too.
01:11:56.061 --> 01:12:10.068
[SPEAKER_10]: As long as obdool sticks to his principles on the issues, on the issue of Israel, this operation is not indicative of him shying away from his values or pivoting for the center.
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.043
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's all right.
01:12:13.084 --> 01:12:13.965
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a couple of things.
01:12:14.145 --> 01:12:15.527
[SPEAKER_02]: One is I actually agree with you.
01:12:15.547 --> 01:12:23.017
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a little bit of he's like a little bit relieved to be off of the, you know, it's like, okay, good.
01:12:23.057 --> 01:12:27.983
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, just get it get it out of my fucking hair because I wish you would say that then.
01:12:28.822 --> 01:12:31.443
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that, but I think it's stronger, if you said it.
01:12:32.383 --> 01:12:50.908
[SPEAKER_02]: There is something else that I was thinking of is like, you know, the Democratic Party is essentially setting up a duel to lose by constantly attacking Abdul and his Asana Association pretty much almost exclusively, right?
01:12:51.528 --> 01:12:56.029
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, propping up these like anti Abdul voices in
01:12:56.329 --> 01:13:06.813
[SPEAKER_02]: the Jewish community who are saying, oh, I'm a Democrat, but I think I'm going to vote for Republican for the first time ever, and there's what he's not going to become Hassan Serendent for the next 30 years.
01:13:07.113 --> 01:13:12.455
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think there is part of it too, where he's looking at is like, oh, good.
01:13:12.935 --> 01:13:18.277
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I'm really glad that now he can campaign with basically
01:13:22.658 --> 01:13:27.280
[SPEAKER_09]: And we'll see how that goes and this way I've done my part and he has done his part.
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:33.703
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, this way if if he loses, it's like, well, which was, which was the problem here, right?
01:13:33.783 --> 01:13:36.124
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're going to blame Hassan anyways if he loses.
01:13:36.164 --> 01:13:42.706
[SPEAKER_02]: They want, they want a duel to lose so they can blame Hassan's and Hassan is not just a son.
01:13:42.947 --> 01:13:44.207
[SPEAKER_02]: Hassan is the entire left.
01:13:44.247 --> 01:13:45.888
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, he's the representative.
01:13:46.568 --> 01:14:08.043
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... he is the figure head chosen by uh... the you know a pack but um... you know political cronies uh... and also you know pro israel lobbied fucking twenty four hour news networks and democrat the out-take him out before the the next general because they see him as a major boon to a.o.c.
01:14:08.103 --> 01:14:09.084
[SPEAKER_03]: and her potential run
01:14:09.404 --> 01:14:37.720
[SPEAKER_02]: there's that they see I think it is more to the point they see her they see him as basically being a case study and whether or not this is a test run for weather or not the left has the kind of motion that can't be stopped even with millions of dollars from a pack even with millions of dollars from the pro-Israel lobbies and even you know so like they are going to
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:45.362
[SPEAKER_02]: they're going to make him the face of the left and if the left loses, uh, then they can say it's because it was the left.
01:14:45.742 --> 01:14:46.563
[SPEAKER_02]: You see it doesn't work.
01:14:46.943 --> 01:14:52.925
[SPEAKER_02]: It's annoying a little bit to me, you know, I think we cut their legs out from under them and as somehow they couldn't run a race.
01:14:53.025 --> 01:14:54.045
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very strange.
01:14:54.525 --> 01:14:56.166
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Hassan is, uh,
01:14:57.346 --> 01:15:04.331
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, dealing with this in a way where he's trying not to, I think, take it personally, but I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze the guy.
01:15:04.451 --> 01:15:05.632
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this about him.
01:15:06.792 --> 01:15:09.995
[SPEAKER_02]: He is someone who does electoral politics.
01:15:10.415 --> 01:15:21.843
[SPEAKER_02]: Is someone who campaigns with people, someone who tries to get, you know, a phone bank set up, he tries to, he's a kind of a get-out the vote type of figure on the left, which is something that
01:15:22.683 --> 01:15:41.526
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I guess gets more flack, I think, then, um, sort of maybe our version of the left, which is like the, the chirping version, the version of the left that, uh, has a lot to say about how things are and not necessarily, uh, stomping for candidates, right?
01:15:42.206 --> 01:15:50.408
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and because of that, there's polyticking that he himself has to do, which can, when those
01:15:52.348 --> 01:16:01.943
[SPEAKER_02]: It can, it can be a little bit hard to maintain, I think your political ideological integrity, right?
01:16:01.983 --> 01:16:02.744
[SPEAKER_09]: You know what I'm saying?
01:16:02.864 --> 01:16:04.046
[SPEAKER_09]: I completely agree with you.
01:16:04.066 --> 01:16:05.308
[SPEAKER_09]: He's in a very hard position.
01:16:05.348 --> 01:16:07.391
[SPEAKER_09]: He didn't sign up for this originally.
01:16:08.072 --> 01:16:15.959
[SPEAKER_09]: you know, a twitch streamer does not have this as the plan, uh, he's a victim of his own success in some ways and I'm not going to hold him to the same standard.
01:16:15.999 --> 01:16:25.107
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to hold him to any standard except I want a public spokesperson, uh, an ally to be thinking clearly and speaking clearly.
01:16:25.147 --> 01:16:29.291
[SPEAKER_09]: And what he said in that clip, I would constructively critique in the following way.
01:16:30.698 --> 01:16:35.899
[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's disingenuous to come out and conclusively say, no, he needs to do this.
01:16:35.919 --> 01:16:37.260
[SPEAKER_09]: Do you want to win or not?
01:16:37.620 --> 01:16:38.840
[SPEAKER_09]: Who have we heard that from?
01:16:39.380 --> 01:16:40.561
[SPEAKER_09]: And in service of what?
01:16:40.621 --> 01:16:43.381
[SPEAKER_09]: We heard it to Nikat Bernie multiple times.
01:16:43.962 --> 01:16:50.223
[SPEAKER_09]: We heard it to ignore Biden's genocide administration, which we know even more about now.
01:16:50.563 --> 01:16:58.826
[SPEAKER_09]: Thanks to them coming out and doing their own shooting and crying, and so we've seen it over and over again.
01:17:01.543 --> 01:17:04.766
[SPEAKER_09]: when it comes to all kinds of policy debates within the left.
01:17:05.027 --> 01:17:10.952
[SPEAKER_09]: No, you have to compromise now, play the long game, and something something something concessions later.
01:17:11.193 --> 01:17:16.658
[SPEAKER_09]: Something something something, you know, you know, five-dimensional chess, the left will win.
01:17:16.838 --> 01:17:18.640
[SPEAKER_09]: It just doesn't work that way.
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:19.661
[SPEAKER_09]: So that's number one.
01:17:20.422 --> 01:17:24.886
[SPEAKER_09]: Number two, you talk about he's not abandoning his principles by pivoting to the center.
01:17:25.727 --> 01:17:33.410
[SPEAKER_09]: That's, I'm sorry, that's, I think that's really naive, you at least have to acknowledge it sure looks like he could be abandoning his principles.
01:17:33.630 --> 01:17:35.110
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't know that, right?
01:17:35.151 --> 01:17:38.792
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's the same kind of people who assure us that AOC is not
01:17:39.825 --> 01:17:53.175
[SPEAKER_09]: indicating, giving strong indications that her actual trajectory, her actual target, where she wants to be and where she's willing to sacrifice anything to be, is in the center of the Democratic Party very soon after promising to bring the
01:17:57.218 --> 01:18:02.020
[SPEAKER_09]: She disparages people encouraging folks to vote as racist, misogynist, violent people.
01:18:02.460 --> 01:18:03.560
[SPEAKER_09]: All of this shit, right?
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:12.283
[SPEAKER_09]: These were indications and the people who read those indications as a sign of her pivoting to a more incipid, less substantial, less principled.
01:18:12.323 --> 01:18:14.284
[SPEAKER_09]: In fact, it's not even that she violated her principles.
01:18:14.504 --> 01:18:16.625
[SPEAKER_09]: She should have her principles evaporated.
01:18:17.105 --> 01:18:17.345
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:18:17.465 --> 01:18:17.765
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:18:18.385 --> 01:18:19.185
[SPEAKER_09]: They were right.
01:18:19.225 --> 01:18:21.386
[SPEAKER_09]: And the evidence originated at the time too.
01:18:21.446 --> 01:18:22.907
[SPEAKER_09]: And it absolutely excorted it.
01:18:22.947 --> 01:18:23.127
[SPEAKER_09]: So.
01:18:23.907 --> 01:18:29.972
[SPEAKER_09]: What I'm saying is the confidence with which, to me, it's just overcoping.
01:18:31.173 --> 01:18:41.441
[SPEAKER_09]: I think the more honest thing to say without knowing a song very well and what we're expecting the guy would have been A, honestly guys, my role in this thing might be over.
01:18:41.521 --> 01:18:43.543
[SPEAKER_09]: Hassan can no longer afford to be associated with me.
01:18:43.823 --> 01:18:44.864
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm proud of what I've done.
01:18:45.124 --> 01:18:48.506
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to continue to do what I can from in the background to support it.
01:18:48.687 --> 01:18:49.868
[SPEAKER_09]: Which he has said at other times.
01:18:50.608 --> 01:18:53.651
[SPEAKER_09]: And then, and then to say, we're going to have to see him.
01:18:53.671 --> 01:18:57.295
[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to have to hold his feet to the fire because there's enormous pressure on him.
01:18:57.615 --> 01:19:01.339
[SPEAKER_09]: And associated with Kamala, yeah, I've got qualms about that too.
01:19:01.419 --> 01:19:03.782
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a big deal and it could have big consequence.
01:19:04.142 --> 01:19:05.403
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm really hoping it doesn't.
01:19:05.904 --> 01:19:07.366
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't see what you lose.
01:19:08.598 --> 01:19:09.518
[SPEAKER_09]: other than access.
01:19:10.019 --> 01:19:10.899
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, for sure.
01:19:11.459 --> 01:19:24.425
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that whether or not he, you know, this is the problem with looking at, I think at clips in general of him is that he speaks, you know, for fucking eight hours day or whatnot.
01:19:24.486 --> 01:19:27.107
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, I'm not sure if he's also touching on that.
01:19:27.127 --> 01:19:31.589
[SPEAKER_02]: I know later in that clip, he does talk about how it is something we see very often.
01:19:31.969 --> 01:19:37.131
[SPEAKER_02]: People, they get to the, you know, past the primaries and they start pivoting
01:19:38.332 --> 01:19:46.676
[SPEAKER_09]: I always watch his streams on 60 times speed, but it still takes me two hours to listen to, so I don't always get through it.
01:19:47.137 --> 01:19:52.800
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like, you know, so I know that he does touch upon those things.
01:19:52.980 --> 01:19:56.101
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say that the the big issue,
01:19:57.322 --> 01:20:08.274
[SPEAKER_02]: that I think you and I both share with this is, yeah, the general certainty is that this is something you have to do in order to win period, but also to win the black vote.
01:20:08.734 --> 01:20:12.178
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that Hassan is
01:20:13.266 --> 01:20:24.797
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's polyticking a little bit when it comes to talking about whether or not this is going to be useful for the black vote.
01:20:25.438 --> 01:20:28.280
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that Kamala Harris is a
01:20:29.722 --> 01:20:31.783
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's not an unpopular figure.
01:20:32.924 --> 01:20:43.533
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the polling shows, but I don't think it's necessarily the figure that's going to help whitewash whatever he's worried about here.
01:20:43.713 --> 01:20:47.496
[SPEAKER_02]: I think those attacks are largely done in bad faith, but
01:20:49.054 --> 01:20:52.017
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Hassan does say that he's seen on the ground.
01:20:52.037 --> 01:21:04.652
[SPEAKER_02]: There are people who in the black community who do support Kamal Harris and do want to have clarification as to whether or not, you know, he, you know, has the support of this type of democratic establishment.
01:21:05.657 --> 01:21:10.401
[SPEAKER_09]: I, but they're going to go at him over uncommitted, then they're going to be like, no, no, of course, I agree with you.
01:21:10.421 --> 01:21:10.801
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:10.821 --> 01:21:11.202
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:11.242 --> 01:21:11.862
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:11.882 --> 01:21:12.683
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:12.703 --> 01:21:13.143
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:13.163 --> 01:21:13.704
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:13.724 --> 01:21:14.204
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:14.224 --> 01:21:14.564
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:14.584 --> 01:21:15.005
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:15.025 --> 01:21:15.945
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree with you.
01:21:15.966 --> 01:21:17.407
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:17.427 --> 01:21:18.187
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:18.207 --> 01:21:18.488
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
01:21:18.508 --> 01:21:19.528
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:19.548 --> 01:21:20.149
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:20.229 --> 01:21:20.689
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:20.729 --> 01:21:21.510
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:21.530 --> 01:21:22.671
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:22.691 --> 01:21:23.792
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:23.812 --> 01:21:24.833
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
01:21:30.297 --> 01:21:35.939
[SPEAKER_02]: doing, he did an interview that I want to talk about with two people from MSNBC.
01:21:37.780 --> 01:21:44.882
[SPEAKER_02]: It was among Sanders and it was Eugene something.
01:21:45.402 --> 01:21:46.423
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it like on the App?
01:21:46.463 --> 01:21:47.123
[SPEAKER_02]: Not V-Dubs.
01:21:47.443 --> 01:21:53.925
[SPEAKER_09]: I got who looks like a Jordan Peel character from that sketch where they name, with all the NCAAs.
01:21:54.105 --> 01:21:55.426
[SPEAKER_09]: Let's get players in the jump.
01:21:55.766 --> 01:21:56.426
[SPEAKER_09]: Jamarius.
01:21:56.786 --> 01:21:57.486
[SPEAKER_09]: All right.
01:21:58.087 --> 01:21:58.587
[SPEAKER_09]: Black, black.
01:21:59.487 --> 01:22:00.448
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does.
01:22:00.468 --> 01:22:17.738
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got that perplexed look in the he does look like he they're both they're both doing a look And he does look like a sort of a Jordan Pills character that said Hassan is threading a very interesting needle right now in which he is trying to
01:22:20.580 --> 01:22:34.493
[SPEAKER_02]: talk to these establishment figures, like Simone Sanders and Eugene, Simone more specifically, who have sort of taken on the like, oh, I'm going to be sort of the base of the Democratic Party,
01:22:44.482 --> 01:22:57.429
[SPEAKER_02]: because he is trying to both speak about his own personal views and ideology, while at the same time not dismissing out of hand the way I think a lot of leftists do, especially white
01:23:05.373 --> 01:23:14.536
[SPEAKER_02]: Democrats, you know, so because of that, he is being put in these positions where I think he is trying to not just be like not that's a bunch of bullshit.
01:23:14.817 --> 01:23:23.140
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think an earlier version of a song was a little bit more hostile to the ways in which
01:23:24.923 --> 01:23:32.227
[SPEAKER_02]: people try to use the sort of deference politics in order to stop people from having these conversations.
01:23:33.588 --> 01:23:38.972
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think because of his now raised profile, he is
01:23:40.753 --> 01:23:54.418
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, suit us on has to be, I think, a little bit more, he has to play politics a little bit more and pivot to conciliation and, and I don't necessarily, and well, we're not in thinking, I'm not, I'm not disparaging it.
01:23:54.498 --> 01:23:55.038
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I know.
01:23:55.118 --> 01:23:55.599
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
01:23:55.759 --> 01:23:57.199
[SPEAKER_09]: And you can see I'm doing it in real time.
01:23:57.599 --> 01:24:07.463
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily disagree with it because I think that, you know, while I do think he could also, I think,
01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:13.701
[SPEAKER_02]: He could clarify, there's one other way of doing this, which is going, I'm a fucking entertainer.
01:24:14.302 --> 01:24:20.383
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we stop treating me like I'm a fucking political DC lobby person?
01:24:20.423 --> 01:24:21.564
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fucking entertainer.
01:24:21.624 --> 01:24:23.004
[SPEAKER_02]: I go in here and do dick jokes.
01:24:23.184 --> 01:24:26.105
[SPEAKER_02]: He says that sometimes, but I'm like, yeah, he has done that.
01:24:26.465 --> 01:24:50.140
[SPEAKER_02]: he has done that but there's there's just part of me that goes like he has he's in the unfortunate position of not being like a comedian because any one of these fucking right-wing flux uh or any comedian in general doing a podcast you know uh is able to be like I'm a comedian that I'm gonna do jokes about things sometimes don't hold me to that standard I think he has said I'm a streamer and whatnot but
01:24:51.080 --> 01:24:51.440
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:24:51.641 --> 01:24:55.003
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a little bit of like, you know, he's not a comedian.
01:24:56.304 --> 01:24:57.344
[SPEAKER_09]: But he's an entertainer.
01:24:57.404 --> 01:25:01.867
[SPEAKER_09]: He is an entertainer, but they are all entertainers.
01:25:01.947 --> 01:25:13.955
[SPEAKER_09]: And that I think was what he should point out, but the sincerity, no, but if he pointed it out, then he shouldn't accept invitations onto MSNBC, which, or where Simon Sand is like, I mean, he doesn't really get invitations.
01:25:14.035 --> 01:25:14.295
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:25:14.575 --> 01:25:15.156
[SPEAKER_03]: He's right.
01:25:15.196 --> 01:25:16.357
[SPEAKER_03]: I also think he's in a weird
01:25:18.558 --> 01:25:23.863
[SPEAKER_03]: He is going to emerge the, like, grown up version of Hassan.
01:25:24.164 --> 01:25:28.047
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I don't think we know exactly what that is.
01:25:28.127 --> 01:25:29.329
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it'll be pipe Hassan.
01:25:29.729 --> 01:25:31.851
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, cardigan Hassan.
01:25:32.312 --> 01:25:34.273
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say he's done his sex pistols.
01:25:34.354 --> 01:25:36.716
[SPEAKER_03]: He's becoming public image limited.
01:25:37.036 --> 01:25:39.298
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and here's the thing.
01:25:39.798 --> 01:25:41.380
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this about him.
01:25:41.460 --> 01:25:47.545
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his strategy at least when it comes to the way he's now speaking about it actually worked really fucking well on this.
01:25:47.565 --> 01:25:57.233
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did a good job in this case because he did not take the bait of being mad and he let some own Sanders dig her own grave and here is some some clips.
01:25:57.233 --> 01:26:03.957
[SPEAKER_02]: So the reason why I make this intentionally provocative statement is to challenge the previous amendment.
01:26:03.977 --> 01:26:24.228
[SPEAKER_10]: This is the statement that he thinks Israel's 1,000 times worse than Hamas implicit biases that many Americans have that are sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, but not exactly understanding of why Palestinians fight back or even aware of the internationally recognized right to resist that the Palestinian resistance has.
01:26:24.408 --> 01:26:27.691
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of people that hear you say that and say, oh my God, he's endorsing violence.
01:26:27.951 --> 01:26:35.038
[SPEAKER_10]: I think endorsing violence is no different when people say that they, you know, that is real is right to defend itself.
01:26:35.058 --> 01:26:35.538
[SPEAKER_10]: That is this.
01:26:35.959 --> 01:26:41.364
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, just a lot of people is the by word for no.
01:26:41.584 --> 01:26:50.352
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what I think or this is what the power that be wanting to pretend is a huge portion of people.
01:26:50.712 --> 01:27:10.740
[SPEAKER_03]: exactly and you know people get away with a lot of people get away with saying a lot of people without giving any sort of backup for that like any data you know like such and such poll says that this percent of people you can just say a lot of people and that kind of washes over
01:27:11.020 --> 01:27:15.243
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that the people watching at home could be like, oh, do a lot of people think that?
01:27:15.323 --> 01:27:18.765
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess I think that too, because I'm just one of those people.
01:27:19.005 --> 01:27:20.826
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a people, and I guess I think that.
01:27:21.086 --> 01:27:24.628
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anyways, his continues.
01:27:25.068 --> 01:27:28.971
[SPEAKER_10]: Real is is a the most moral country in the Middle East.
01:27:28.991 --> 01:27:30.492
[SPEAKER_10]: It's a it's a democracy.
01:27:30.632 --> 01:27:31.452
[SPEAKER_10]: It's an apartheid.
01:27:31.672 --> 01:27:33.994
[SPEAKER_10]: It's no different than the way that people argue.
01:27:34.014 --> 01:27:34.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just go back?
01:27:34.854 --> 01:27:37.235
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not my, I don't want it like, I'm not talking about
01:27:39.921 --> 01:27:48.506
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so I'm going to pause there for a second, because her immediately going, well, well, well, well, can you, I'm not talking about that.
01:27:48.626 --> 01:27:56.431
[SPEAKER_02]: You sound like you're endorsing violence when you say that, you know, occupied people have a right to resist.
01:27:57.111 --> 01:27:59.713
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear about who they are resisting.
01:28:00.093 --> 01:28:04.515
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear about either resisting or why they're resisting or whatnot.
01:28:04.535 --> 01:28:08.558
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to respond to this claim that a lot of people are saying.
01:28:09.258 --> 01:28:14.841
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of mirrors of the UN General Assembly say that occupied people can resist, and it's okay.
01:28:15.281 --> 01:28:18.963
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I'd also very much like it if you wouldn't make any historical analogies.
01:28:19.343 --> 01:28:20.024
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:28:20.244 --> 01:28:29.829
[SPEAKER_09]: Or speaking, certainly not, certainly not draw any parallels between anything that I might personally be able to resonate with in terms of my own people's history.
01:28:30.689 --> 01:28:31.510
[SPEAKER_09]: I would rather not.
01:28:32.770 --> 01:28:45.784
[SPEAKER_09]: rather than a confront uncomfortable resonances between the Palestinians are put through in terms of the expectation that they should take their flight peacefully and tranquilly and anything that say the black community in the United States might have ever been expected to do.
01:28:45.965 --> 01:28:51.310
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is the thing is like he goes on to clarify this and
01:28:52.291 --> 01:29:05.097
[SPEAKER_02]: And the result is the same, which is Simone Sanders is like, please stop talking in these full sentences and just say a sound bite that I want, which is I endorse violence, I love Hamas.
01:29:05.297 --> 01:29:08.959
[SPEAKER_02]: Please just say that and stop comparing it to things.
01:29:09.139 --> 01:29:17.023
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, you're encouraging me to encourage me this week that I'm shocked that the Hasbarah seven come up with Hassan Piker, Hamas Liker.
01:29:17.825 --> 01:29:18.345
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
01:29:18.645 --> 01:29:20.086
[SPEAKER_09]: It could be a children's book, you know.
01:29:20.506 --> 01:29:21.106
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
01:29:21.226 --> 01:29:21.926
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that a lot.
01:29:22.046 --> 01:29:24.707
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they've definitely called them Hamas Piker before.
01:29:25.207 --> 01:29:32.549
[SPEAKER_09]: Hamas Piker, Hassan Piker, Hamas Liker, sort of a Turkish version of William T. Riker.
01:29:33.729 --> 01:29:38.991
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, that sort of a, there once was a man from then tuck it sort of thing going.
01:29:40.471 --> 01:29:41.292
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here.
01:29:41.332 --> 01:29:42.572
[SPEAKER_09]: Once was a man from Istanbul.
01:29:45.421 --> 01:29:46.062
[SPEAKER_09]: All right, here we go.
01:29:46.082 --> 01:29:54.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my question is, do you, it sounds to me like you are endorsing violence for, um, because you think it's justified on this particular issue.
01:29:55.057 --> 01:29:57.160
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody would, that's how I heard it.
01:29:57.240 --> 01:29:59.223
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's how other people have heard it.
01:29:59.263 --> 01:30:00.225
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you understand?
01:30:00.485 --> 01:30:03.587
[SPEAKER_02]: other people literally, uh, the Israel lobby.
01:30:03.908 --> 01:30:06.269
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, but what do you talk about other people of her family?
01:30:06.289 --> 01:30:10.552
[SPEAKER_09]: They're like, clearly my perplexed and silent co-host is taking it that way.
01:30:10.833 --> 01:30:12.394
[SPEAKER_09]: I know how to read his facial expressions.
01:30:12.434 --> 01:30:14.795
[SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't say much, but I know he's hearing it that way.
01:30:15.296 --> 01:30:15.876
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, man.
01:30:16.417 --> 01:30:16.657
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:30:16.677 --> 01:30:17.757
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn that that's how people hear it.
01:30:18.098 --> 01:30:19.639
[SPEAKER_01]: And is that what you are endorsing?
01:30:20.258 --> 01:30:24.643
[SPEAKER_10]: structural violence and state violence is oftentimes made to be invisible.
01:30:25.264 --> 01:30:33.573
[SPEAKER_10]: So when Israel as a state is operating its normal state functions and sometimes it can come across as excessive, right?
01:30:34.233 --> 01:30:35.455
[SPEAKER_10]: It's not seen as violent.
01:30:35.515 --> 01:30:40.020
[SPEAKER_10]: It's no different than when people protest against police violence and police brutality.
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:45.381
[SPEAKER_10]: It's never violent when the police actually release tear gas on protesters.
01:30:45.421 --> 01:30:49.182
[SPEAKER_10]: It's violence if the protesters use leaf blowers to blow that tear gas out.
01:30:49.222 --> 01:30:58.505
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a lady, you can't move on, but I just want to note, it sounds like the example that you just gave that the people who are protesting the police are Hamas.
01:30:58.545 --> 01:31:00.686
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just would reject that.
01:31:00.746 --> 01:31:03.186
[SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody who has protests at the police before, but we can move on.
01:31:03.707 --> 01:31:04.267
[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
01:31:05.376 --> 01:31:05.996
[SPEAKER_03]: it is.
01:31:06.016 --> 01:31:09.378
[SPEAKER_03]: Why won't you agree to the thing I am trying to paint you with?
01:31:09.678 --> 01:31:14.221
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I made up a thing that I said you believe and I want you to say that yes, you believe it.
01:31:14.721 --> 01:31:19.564
[SPEAKER_09]: It is so I know there's some way you could have gone at that a little bit more directly.
01:31:20.312 --> 01:31:23.095
[SPEAKER_09]: that that would have left less room for that, but it doesn't matter.
01:31:23.315 --> 01:31:24.136
[SPEAKER_09]: He did a lovely job.
01:31:24.156 --> 01:31:25.036
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no.
01:31:25.697 --> 01:31:33.965
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, to me, I have to look at these things through what is ultimately serves the purpose here.
01:31:34.125 --> 01:31:35.907
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will say, I have been...
01:31:36.427 --> 01:31:39.288
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of blown away by the response to this.
01:31:39.628 --> 01:31:50.373
[SPEAKER_02]: Some unsanders has been getting reamed by a lot of people on TikTok and Twitter and Instagram.
01:31:52.374 --> 01:31:54.415
[SPEAKER_02]: These are young black,
01:31:55.035 --> 01:32:20.019
[SPEAKER_02]: influencers and creators and some are just, you know, people who just make occasional videos or not by no means like professional black influencers who are all watching this and the worst, like, you know, I guess the most, the worst thing they could say about Hassan is, you know, I really wish you wouldn't let this white boy explain to you to sell outs our own history
01:32:23.980 --> 01:32:37.178
[SPEAKER_02]: talking about this in a way, which is like, we need to look at how this was handled because this is a very clear instance of black faces and high places won't save you type stuff.
01:32:37.278 --> 01:32:41.063
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm watching this as, you know, some fucking white dude, and I'm just like,
01:32:42.104 --> 01:32:57.320
[SPEAKER_02]: I am so glad that people watching this can see how deeply cynical this is, and how, I mean, it's part of the strategy.
01:32:58.061 --> 01:33:09.344
[SPEAKER_02]: to defame the left, to have these establishment figures, and Simone is nothing but an establishment figure she was literally in the Biden administration.
01:33:09.364 --> 01:33:16.687
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny because she started out as Bernie's was in Bernie Sanders campaign.
01:33:16.947 --> 01:33:20.768
[SPEAKER_09]: I know he must be so disappointed in his biological daughter.
01:33:21.788 --> 01:33:37.911
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, and it's just as biological daughter Simone is totally going off the rail, but it's like Simone Sanders, and people have been pointing these clips out, has said as much as like it is a little bit ridiculous that every time someone criticizes a state of Israel, everyone is called.
01:33:38.131 --> 01:33:41.272
[SPEAKER_02]: She said on CNN, she's had these positions before.
01:33:41.672 --> 01:33:46.753
[SPEAKER_02]: All nuances lost at this point for the very clear purpose and people are seeing that, and I just have to say like,
01:33:48.773 --> 01:33:53.223
[SPEAKER_02]: when it's the function of propaganda, the function of adjet prop.
01:33:53.885 --> 01:33:54.366
[SPEAKER_02]: I see
01:33:55.577 --> 01:34:01.620
[SPEAKER_02]: the, or I judge how it went by what function it ended up serving.
01:34:01.660 --> 01:34:10.445
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this case, it served a really important function, which is to look at these propagandists and say, like, they're clearly pretending to be stupid.
01:34:10.905 --> 01:34:21.811
[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretending to not understand that the point that he is making and trying to instead whittle it down to a soundbite about being pro-Hamas and pro-violence.
01:34:22.531 --> 01:34:23.012
[SPEAKER_02]: And the,
01:34:23.772 --> 01:34:40.622
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to that, I say like fucking kudos to Hassan for not, I think taking the bait of being contentious when someone is being so openly bad faith with you.
01:34:40.642 --> 01:34:40.982
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
01:34:41.002 --> 01:34:41.522
[SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
01:34:41.542 --> 01:34:45.805
[SPEAKER_09]: I think I've just come upon where the place where I would coach him to do it a little differently.
01:34:45.845 --> 01:34:48.586
[SPEAKER_09]: I think he should take Jasper and Nathaniel's line around.
01:34:53.409 --> 01:34:56.772
[SPEAKER_09]: Put Hamas aside, and name the actual crimes.
01:34:56.792 --> 01:34:58.253
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't talk about state violence.
01:34:58.533 --> 01:35:00.635
[SPEAKER_09]: Talk about the actual crimes in the West Bank right now.
01:35:00.895 --> 01:35:14.227
[SPEAKER_09]: Talk about the genocide and Gaza, and say that, do you, Simone Sanders, expect the Palestinians to silently and peacefully and obediently submit and just languish and die in concentration camps and inventive stance?
01:35:14.347 --> 01:35:15.428
[SPEAKER_09]: Is that a reasonable explanation?
01:35:15.788 --> 01:35:20.693
[SPEAKER_09]: If it's not a reasonable expectation, then we need to have a different conversation than the one you're trying to go to me into.
01:35:21.333 --> 01:35:22.594
[SPEAKER_09]: We can talk about tactics.
01:35:22.754 --> 01:35:23.915
[SPEAKER_09]: We can talk about particular groups.
01:35:24.115 --> 01:35:24.556
[SPEAKER_09]: That's fine.
01:35:24.756 --> 01:35:34.024
[SPEAKER_09]: But the thing that's never acknowledged is that Palestinians are looking at beings with the same right to self-defense that Black slaves had, that Malcolm X claimed for African-Americans.
01:35:34.324 --> 01:35:40.790
[SPEAKER_09]: I think now you're standing on positive principles, rather than sort of, I don't know, jorganistic analysis.
01:35:40.830 --> 01:35:42.311
[SPEAKER_09]: I just thought he had a little bit in the way.
01:35:42.411 --> 01:35:48.536
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's playing to an audience that he knows that he has to be
01:35:49.777 --> 01:36:03.954
[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more thoughtful around and not so easily reactive and i i think he's i think he's correct in that assessment because i think if he had gone confrontational uh yes there's people who could have been like good thank you finally
01:36:04.735 --> 01:36:11.879
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's also a lot of people would be like can you please, you know, you know, not yell at this black woman on her own podcast.
01:36:11.899 --> 01:36:12.820
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying DL.
01:36:12.860 --> 01:36:13.560
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying DL.
01:36:13.580 --> 01:36:13.980
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't know.
01:36:14.060 --> 01:36:15.281
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're not.
01:36:15.561 --> 01:36:19.083
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just talking about like go at there's principles.
01:36:19.303 --> 01:36:27.228
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a way in which he's communicating that I think is that it works.
01:36:27.848 --> 01:36:31.070
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, look, as one black audience member to another, we can disagree.
01:36:31.550 --> 01:36:35.712
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, you know, I think that there's different ways to express our blood.
01:36:35.972 --> 01:36:36.433
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
01:36:37.133 --> 01:36:40.615
[SPEAKER_03]: None of the three of us has been under the laser.
01:36:40.655 --> 01:36:42.095
[SPEAKER_03]: I know for two solid.
01:36:42.135 --> 01:36:45.637
[SPEAKER_09]: I was just going to say that's the most easier said than done.
01:36:45.717 --> 01:36:47.738
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I find myself at the easiest of times.
01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:58.084
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I find myself in that position too, where I go, this is what I would have done, and then I just remember all the times that I didn't do what I would have done.
01:36:58.645 --> 01:36:59.205
[SPEAKER_09]: But you know what?
01:36:59.485 --> 01:37:03.508
[SPEAKER_09]: That's my right as someone in the peanut gallery, as long as I've got peanuts in the bag.
01:37:04.345 --> 01:37:23.637
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, every time someone subscribed to our channel the peanut vendor comes around and gives me more peanuts fuck yeah, and I eat those peanuts and I spit out the shells and get the fuck what you're gonna have to dance over Before we get out of here This We'll see what's the final edge here and update, but edge here is in in five minutes.
01:37:23.998 --> 01:37:25.018
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you got them right.
01:37:25.038 --> 01:37:26.179
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get it in five minutes.
01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:27.260
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I better not interrupt
01:37:27.832 --> 01:37:35.794
[SPEAKER_02]: Check this out, Ed Sheeran, he a bitch, and it continues this saga because he was in Philadelphia.
01:37:35.814 --> 01:37:43.317
[SPEAKER_02]: It was his first show since everything went down since the firing amackle more and him being abandoned by all of his opening acts.
01:37:44.177 --> 01:37:45.738
[SPEAKER_02]: including his backing band.
01:37:45.998 --> 01:37:49.041
[SPEAKER_02]: He was completely left in the lurch and alone.
01:37:49.261 --> 01:37:51.242
[SPEAKER_02]: His ticket sales did a nose dive.
01:37:51.262 --> 01:37:55.225
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just a quick headline ticket sales for Ed Sharon's looped loop tour.
01:37:55.285 --> 01:37:58.427
[SPEAKER_02]: I've dropped off dramatically after Mac'llmore controversy.
01:37:58.747 --> 01:38:06.553
[SPEAKER_02]: Scalpers are now selling tickets for lower than purchase price just to try to get rid of them.
01:38:06.573 --> 01:38:09.835
[SPEAKER_09]: As Sharon will be renaming the tour, the Loopsie Daisy tour.
01:38:11.195 --> 01:38:25.405
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, and I loop and not only were the sales down, but also an unprecedented move refunds were offered.
01:38:25.545 --> 01:38:33.771
[SPEAKER_02]: So ticket sales drop down to face value in below prices and people are getting fucking refunds.
01:38:34.271 --> 01:38:38.675
[SPEAKER_02]: So he went on stage and he was like, you know what, once and for all,
01:38:39.375 --> 01:38:50.684
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time for me to address this and it's time for me to say what I feel about things and he said this and it's time for me to name the true victims.
01:38:50.864 --> 01:38:51.564
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean victim.
01:38:52.245 --> 01:38:52.625
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:38:53.626 --> 01:38:56.208
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's time for me to read this from a telepromp there.
01:38:56.248 --> 01:38:56.728
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
01:38:56.748 --> 01:39:02.272
[SPEAKER_07]: I want to address the question of where I stand in the situation in Israel and Palestine.
01:39:02.433 --> 01:39:05.435
[SPEAKER_07]: Whether my doing this concert here tonight implies where I stand.
01:39:06.335 --> 01:39:16.444
[SPEAKER_07]: I have tried in my career not to be a political commentator at any point, because I want my music and shows the bad unity, not division, about humanity, not politics.
01:39:16.904 --> 01:39:25.252
[SPEAKER_09]: Except when it comes to Ukraine and Russia, and I look at the lower topics, shout out to SNL UK for another best weekend update.
01:39:26.092 --> 01:39:27.192
[SPEAKER_09]: segments I've ever seen.
01:39:27.212 --> 01:39:31.573
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, if anyone hasn't seen it, we don't have time to play it now I just like so good.
01:39:31.673 --> 01:39:37.395
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, they're the joke about his eyes Yeah Ed Sheeran shown here looking at both sides of an issue.
01:39:37.775 --> 01:39:41.816
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and it just shows his cock eyes All right here we go
01:39:47.047 --> 01:39:54.630
[SPEAKER_07]: What happened in Israel and had the no music festival on October 7th was horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain.
01:39:55.110 --> 01:40:01.473
[SPEAKER_07]: What is happening in Gaza is catastrophic and unjustifiable at this proportion.
01:40:02.253 --> 01:40:05.355
[SPEAKER_07]: A heart has been broken by the scale of devastation.
01:40:06.095 --> 01:40:08.436
[SPEAKER_03]: The issue is with the proportions.
01:40:08.616 --> 01:40:09.436
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:40:09.456 --> 01:40:12.978
[SPEAKER_03]: That's mainly if it was proportional more, I would be okay with it.
01:40:13.298 --> 01:40:13.679
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:40:13.939 --> 01:40:15.542
[SPEAKER_09]: One, two, three, four.
01:40:15.602 --> 01:40:17.345
[SPEAKER_09]: We don't want your disproportionate work.
01:40:17.565 --> 01:40:19.127
[SPEAKER_09]: Five, six, seven, eight.
01:40:19.388 --> 01:40:21.090
[SPEAKER_09]: Get those damn proportion straight.
01:40:21.391 --> 01:40:21.751
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:40:22.152 --> 01:40:22.713
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
01:40:23.474 --> 01:40:25.057
[SPEAKER_02]: One, two, three, four.
01:40:25.157 --> 01:40:27.100
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't like your ratio.
01:40:27.561 --> 01:40:28.222
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:40:28.698 --> 01:40:31.680
[SPEAKER_03]: being apolitical wounds, having my exact politics.
01:40:32.140 --> 01:40:36.922
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, other people's politics are political, my politics are apolitical.
01:40:37.163 --> 01:40:38.944
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is, yes.
01:40:39.404 --> 01:40:39.924
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
01:40:39.964 --> 01:40:43.086
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very inslication of children's lives.
01:40:44.526 --> 01:40:48.629
[SPEAKER_07]: At the systemic injustice we're seeing unfold in the West Bank, and cannot be overlooked.
01:40:49.802 --> 01:40:55.006
[SPEAKER_07]: I am already speaking to people across the spectrum to work out how to make a contribution that helps victims.
01:40:55.086 --> 01:40:55.506
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
01:40:55.746 --> 01:40:58.568
[SPEAKER_09]: When you set across the spectrum, I thought of a different spectrum.
01:40:58.588 --> 01:41:00.069
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's autism spectrum.
01:41:00.150 --> 01:41:00.590
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:41:00.970 --> 01:41:04.613
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm already talking to people across the other reality spectrum.
01:41:04.793 --> 01:41:13.619
[SPEAKER_02]: The autism spectrum and cowardice spectrum to see if the guys and children would like puzzles or children's brains.
01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:22.489
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say, I think everything, whatever you think just don't be mad at me, I think it too.
01:41:22.769 --> 01:41:26.053
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think good things are good and bad things are bad.
01:41:26.073 --> 01:41:30.818
[SPEAKER_07]: It's terrible times and listening and learning because I do not know enough.
01:41:31.979 --> 01:41:35.163
[SPEAKER_07]: I honestly am so grateful in your ears tonight with me.
01:41:39.975 --> 01:41:41.796
[SPEAKER_07]: It's still a place where everyone is welcome.
01:41:42.557 --> 01:41:44.358
[SPEAKER_02]: And here we go!
01:41:44.998 --> 01:41:46.179
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost everyone.
01:41:47.740 --> 01:41:50.082
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one person who is... A glamour or less.
01:41:50.682 --> 01:41:51.062
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone.
01:41:51.183 --> 01:41:53.384
[SPEAKER_02]: A glamour or less, everyone's welcome.
01:41:55.065 --> 01:41:56.266
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, okay.
01:41:57.227 --> 01:42:01.009
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we get out of here, I just feel like...
01:42:02.610 --> 01:42:03.211
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like...
01:42:04.391 --> 01:42:04.832
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like...
01:42:05.547 --> 01:42:07.228
[SPEAKER_02]: talk to share about a crying guy.
01:42:07.609 --> 01:42:13.254
[SPEAKER_02]: Like an already crying guy to me is too easy of a target, right?
01:42:14.034 --> 01:42:16.296
[SPEAKER_02]: And later on, he does just full on cry.
01:42:16.336 --> 01:42:18.598
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna play a little bit more of this, sorry.
01:42:18.618 --> 01:42:19.959
[SPEAKER_09]: Come on, this is sexist.
01:42:19.979 --> 01:42:22.601
[SPEAKER_09]: We love everyone loves to go at white women's tears.
01:42:23.022 --> 01:42:23.943
[SPEAKER_09]: That's true.
01:42:23.983 --> 01:42:24.523
[SPEAKER_09]: That's true.
01:42:24.543 --> 01:42:28.887
[SPEAKER_09]: Which is supposed to, which is supposed to inoculate him against mockery because it's harder for men to cry.
01:42:29.367 --> 01:42:29.667
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:42:30.008 --> 01:42:30.248
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:42:30.408 --> 01:42:31.049
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
01:42:31.610 --> 01:42:33.732
[SPEAKER_02]: So here is a little more cry.
01:42:33.752 --> 01:42:34.653
[SPEAKER_02]: You cry.
01:42:34.673 --> 01:42:35.494
[SPEAKER_09]: Sitting and crying.
01:42:35.634 --> 01:42:36.595
[SPEAKER_02]: You're sitting and crying.
01:42:36.875 --> 01:42:38.717
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like shooting and crying.
01:42:41.500 --> 01:42:43.202
[SPEAKER_09]: This is more like shitting and crying.
01:42:45.256 --> 01:42:47.398
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two, doing a boo-hoo.
01:42:48.278 --> 01:42:50.359
[SPEAKER_07]: The world is very place right now.
01:42:50.559 --> 01:42:53.321
[SPEAKER_07]: America is a scary place right now.
01:42:54.221 --> 01:42:56.743
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, it's like, thank you so much.
01:42:57.403 --> 01:43:00.985
[SPEAKER_07]: The one thing that I would like to apologize for.
01:43:01.185 --> 01:43:03.466
[SPEAKER_02]: Now this is where it gets fucking insane.
01:43:04.007 --> 01:43:11.971
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some weird shit in my life, but I don't think I've ever seen someone apologize for an apology so quickly after making an apology.
01:43:12.958 --> 01:43:24.046
[SPEAKER_07]: is the first bit of the show where it wasn't about music and I had to talk and I understand that people have children here and I understand that the family didn't buy a ticket to hear that first bit of the show.
01:43:24.126 --> 01:43:28.910
[SPEAKER_07]: I felt like I needed to say I felt there was a lot of questions I needed to answer.
01:43:29.671 --> 01:43:34.094
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand that there are children in Gaza and I don't want you to think about them at all.
01:43:34.568 --> 01:43:40.155
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've just, I mean, bro, you, you did an apology.
01:43:40.516 --> 01:43:47.165
[SPEAKER_02]: That was into fucking, time to tell Promp, there and afterwards I also, I just want to apologize about that first bit that wasn't a song.
01:43:47.845 --> 01:43:49.728
[SPEAKER_02]: The bit where I said, I must speak.
01:43:49.968 --> 01:43:51.590
[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's kids in the audience.
01:43:52.371 --> 01:44:11.680
[SPEAKER_02]: what do you mean it's all like part of his his thing about like um I don't talk about politics because there are kids in the audience what I don't know what exactly is uh so political or or over the top for kids like beyond the chaos going into the Vancouver folk festival as a child where there was
01:44:12.160 --> 01:44:13.581
[SPEAKER_09]: all kinds of mad political speech.
01:44:13.601 --> 01:44:17.843
[SPEAKER_09]: I was going to anti-nuclear, you know, his kids go to rally is all the time.
01:44:18.564 --> 01:44:22.726
[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't, I've truly, I don't really understand what he's saying.
01:44:22.886 --> 01:44:28.189
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one thing to be like, you know, because this, I think it's all apologizing to the kids.
01:44:28.209 --> 01:44:28.909
[SPEAKER_09]: He's apologizing to the kids.
01:44:29.229 --> 01:44:33.732
[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry parents we made you met because your kids are going to ask you questions in the far- on the way home.
01:44:33.752 --> 01:44:34.052
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:44:34.133 --> 01:44:44.980
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry to put you in the actual position of having to raise kids who might have questions about the injustices in the what what kids was he talking about that are getting this this pro.
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:45.320
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:44:45.360 --> 01:44:47.702
[SPEAKER_09]: Disproportionate.
01:44:47.762 --> 01:44:48.402
[SPEAKER_09]: What does it mean?
01:44:48.562 --> 01:44:51.544
[SPEAKER_09]: Why is that why is he talking about that instead of it's wrong?
01:44:51.685 --> 01:44:53.326
[SPEAKER_02]: Why was Ed crying?
01:44:54.226 --> 01:44:55.807
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a secular more.
01:44:56.168 --> 01:44:56.408
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:44:58.556 --> 01:45:01.518
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, you said, Ed Tehran, is that what you said?
01:45:02.779 --> 01:45:04.980
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm giving you a standing obeisht, that's a 10 out of 10.
01:45:05.160 --> 01:45:05.660
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
01:45:05.860 --> 01:45:07.622
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, he's kind of Tehranical.
01:45:08.262 --> 01:45:10.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all right, let's all do it.
01:45:10.263 --> 01:45:12.264
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing one, all right.
01:45:13.225 --> 01:45:17.608
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so it's just, I'm looking at this.
01:45:19.302 --> 01:45:35.529
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately this is this is still gonna like he's got more tour to go, which means there's more video to go and all that's gonna happen is this is gonna continue We're gonna continue seeing these different versions of these apologies that he's doing and
01:45:37.271 --> 01:45:52.508
[SPEAKER_02]: It all ignores a fundamental aspect of what he got wrong here, which was he decided to abdicate all responsibility for the management of his own tour and decided instead.
01:45:53.349 --> 01:46:06.767
[SPEAKER_02]: to go with what the billionaire class and the Zionist elites who run, at least, millennia, the meadow, at least three of these stadiums, or own three of these stadiums,
01:46:08.930 --> 01:46:12.233
[SPEAKER_02]: had to say about he capitulated to them.
01:46:12.473 --> 01:46:13.974
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the issue.
01:46:14.235 --> 01:46:15.376
[SPEAKER_02]: He can remain.
01:46:15.676 --> 01:46:30.230
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny to me because it's like, you know, if you want to play the, I don't know much about politics and stuff, you can, the next part of the sentence could be, I'm just a loyal friend and I believe that I have the right to book whoever the fuck I want.
01:46:30.730 --> 01:46:35.633
[SPEAKER_02]: that can be the end of it, but instead the capitulation is what's talked about.
01:46:36.113 --> 01:46:39.255
[SPEAKER_02]: People want him to clarify his actual position on Palestine.
01:46:39.595 --> 01:46:41.616
[SPEAKER_02]: Personally, after hearing it, I don't.
01:46:42.036 --> 01:46:43.517
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish he hadn't clarified it.
01:46:43.777 --> 01:46:50.160
[SPEAKER_02]: What I wish he would clarify is whether or not he believes it is right for a billionaire
01:46:55.443 --> 01:47:19.400
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if it's for the reasons of censorship, he can add a little bit of that, but I think at the end of the day, he could have just stuck to Hey guys, I I'm sorry, but I post out You know, it's not that I'm a political it's that I don't have principles and I like to make some money In doing I mean like you said I'm reading up a teleprompter who wrote this for me?
01:47:19.780 --> 01:47:23.505
[SPEAKER_09]: All right, you know, one of one of Robert Craft's AI Muscuses, you know.
01:47:23.545 --> 01:47:25.167
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right exactly.
01:47:25.567 --> 01:47:27.609
[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking Jesse Brown wrote this shit.
01:47:27.930 --> 01:47:28.130
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:47:28.811 --> 01:47:39.143
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, you know, I would say to him, you know, there are some who are, you know, I actually heard back from a fan of the Frotcast who wrote to talk about, I talked about Ed Sheeran on that.
01:47:39.984 --> 01:47:44.307
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, he basically was like, hey, he's Australian.
01:47:44.327 --> 01:47:46.348
[SPEAKER_02]: So he called me a cunt, but I don't know Australian way.
01:47:46.708 --> 01:47:51.591
[SPEAKER_02]: It's thought I was being a little mean to it, sure, and it's not fair and whatnot.
01:47:51.631 --> 01:47:53.912
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess first I would say to that, like,
01:47:54.973 --> 01:47:56.634
[SPEAKER_02]: listen, he's worth $400 million.
01:47:57.154 --> 01:47:58.674
[SPEAKER_02]: He can absolutely stand on principle.
01:47:59.795 --> 01:48:03.196
[SPEAKER_02]: But second, I would say, like, let's say I take his crying in good faith.
01:48:03.396 --> 01:48:07.057
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's not just a very clear manipulation tactic.
01:48:07.457 --> 01:48:12.719
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's, there is part of me that believes that he is generally upset over what happened.
01:48:12.739 --> 01:48:15.120
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, being so helplessly, he's humiliated out.
01:48:15.200 --> 01:48:15.640
[SPEAKER_02]: He's stressed out.
01:48:15.700 --> 01:48:16.020
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
01:48:16.280 --> 01:48:20.025
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say that I take all of this in good faith that he actually is crying for a good reason.
01:48:21.927 --> 01:48:23.129
[SPEAKER_02]: He's being led astray then.
01:48:23.329 --> 01:48:27.334
[SPEAKER_02]: The person who wrote that thing on your fucking prom there does not have your best interest in mine.
01:48:27.434 --> 01:48:27.775
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:48:27.915 --> 01:48:30.018
[SPEAKER_02]: That's me looking at it in total good faith.
01:48:30.098 --> 01:48:32.040
[SPEAKER_02]: What if he actually doesn't know nothing?
01:48:32.601 --> 01:48:33.222
[SPEAKER_02]: It's possible.
01:48:33.362 --> 01:48:34.263
[SPEAKER_02]: So, hey.
01:48:34.964 --> 01:48:38.485
[SPEAKER_02]: The people around you are lying to you about this being good.
01:48:38.705 --> 01:48:39.826
[SPEAKER_02]: Do not trust them.
01:48:40.046 --> 01:48:45.388
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the only person who has your best interest in mine at this point was Macalmore.
01:48:45.568 --> 01:48:46.828
[SPEAKER_02]: He did his best for you.
01:48:47.608 --> 01:48:48.329
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'll say.
01:48:48.549 --> 01:48:51.630
[SPEAKER_09]: And you can have all the hundreds of millions in the world and all the fucking fans.
01:48:51.670 --> 01:48:54.931
[SPEAKER_09]: And you still have, you know, you get into that position.
01:48:55.211 --> 01:48:57.252
[SPEAKER_09]: And let this be just a little memode.
01:48:57.272 --> 01:48:58.072
[SPEAKER_09]: I'll be the last I had.
01:48:58.612 --> 01:49:00.773
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, very sorry not sorry.
01:49:01.668 --> 01:49:19.563
[SPEAKER_02]: all right guys uh... that has been a podcast what a what a time we had uh... patreon accounts as bad as barrett as barrett gmail account for your questions comments and concerns all right everyone thanks again so much for listening until next time from the river to the same lord and heaven please forgive me for my apology
01:49:21.864 --> 01:49:24.146
[SPEAKER_11]: We wanted you to be Zionist!