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00:00:21.817All right, here we go.
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00:00:25.870I can't find where I'm supposed to read from, so we're just going to roll right into it.
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00:00:30.769I'm Chris from Crash Cannon and I've got a pretty cool guy with me on the side.
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00:00:32.273I'm not pointing to, they're with this side.
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00:00:34.365I was like who else is with you?
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00:00:36.527This guy over there.
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00:00:40.289So, Rob, who are you?
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00:00:50.305So I'm the kind of co-host and producer, the sidekick to anthony over at avoiding babylon sidekick.
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00:00:53.451Aren't you guys like co-owners?
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00:00:58.082all that fun yeah, yeah, but I mean you're not robin, what was it?
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00:00:59.164You're not robin?
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00:01:02.228No, no, no, no, definitely not robin.
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00:01:08.718I what I put it, I don't know, I'm not in his mind.
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00:01:09.739At least I'm the sidekick.
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00:01:14.810So we'll just go with that, because he's definitely got main character syndrome.
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00:01:17.222You know a lot of us suffer from that.
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00:01:19.914I too suffer from main character syndrome.
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00:01:21.239So you gotta apologize.
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00:01:32.076Start a podcast right yeah, usually the guy who decides to start it has a severe lack of humility to start something like that, I can imagine.
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00:01:39.971But you get it from doing it Like the longer you podcast, the more humility you gain from it, because people point out every dumb thing.
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00:01:42.468Oh yes, so true.
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00:01:54.722Oh yes, especially as you get more and more, as you get bigger it's like, no matter what you do, you have a few thousand people upset at you for some reason.
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00:01:55.983Well, here we go, we're gonna get everybody upset.
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00:02:07.835I'm going to quote from a book, and the trivia for today will be this If anybody can guess the, the quote, year, who said it and in what location they said it?
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00:02:14.950There's three options here, so if anybody can guess any of the three locations, I'll highlight it on the screen and I'll call you the winner.
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00:02:16.533I guess for at least one of the three.
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00:02:18.145So here is the quote.
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00:02:22.612Nowadays, the freedom to sin dominates everywhere, and to a degree that is not right or normal.
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00:02:34.526Freedom to sin dominates everywhere, and to a degree that is not right or normal, and so it is not just a large number of frustrated girls who engage in adultery, having been by the desire of the flesh to harmful lust, but even some married women, and indeed with their husbands still living.
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00:02:36.752This sounds like today, doesn't it?
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00:02:46.688Yeah, and we got, as if this were not enough, such women that have their husbands murdered by the adultery inspiring the deed through furtive hints.
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00:02:52.468After this, having given such a wicked example to others, they receive their lovers quite openly and sin at will.
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00:02:59.091They repudiate their legal lord in a most horrible fashion and prefer his retainer as if the latter were sweet Abro or mild Jason.
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00:03:05.509Nowadays, because a harsh penalty is not imposed, I fear that many will find this new custom more and more acceptable.
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00:03:08.969And then it goes on to repudiate the priests and tell them to rise up.
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00:03:10.806But actually I will say this one this is a good one.
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00:03:14.289Oh you, priests of the Lord, forcefully rise up and let nothing stop you.
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00:03:17.366That's the, that's the quote.
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00:03:23.269It's a long one, but I love that it starts off that way, yeah, anyway.
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00:03:26.354Well, here we go, rob.
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00:03:27.947What's your marriage advice for tonight?
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00:03:30.423What's my marriage advice for tonight?
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00:03:32.225You got one.
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00:03:38.134Oh boy, that's a good one.
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00:03:44.927What like what subtopic within marriage?
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00:03:45.750Well, marriage, well, I think.
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00:03:47.173So you've got what.
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00:03:49.865Uh, three kids, four on the way, a fourth one on the way?
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00:03:51.407Yes, sir, yes, yep.
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00:03:54.681What's the last thing you should say to a pregnant wife?
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00:04:04.282oh, that's a long list um asking her why she's craving what she's craving.
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00:04:08.723That's always a lose-lose, like, because she doesn't know yeah, she doesn't know.
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00:04:21.699And so when uh with their, with their first, our oldest, we were still living down in, uh, the twin cities minneapolis, st paul, so I could go to a store at any time of the day.
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00:04:40.382Um, so there was a time I had to go to the store and get dill flavored uh, potato chips at about 2 am dill chips yes, yep, and that was only because the stores around us did not have dill flavored ice cream, which she saw on a facebook reel in the middle of the night and got a craving for um.
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00:04:50.767So I'm very glad that now we live in the middle of the nowhere and everything's closed at like 7 pm and makes life easy for me yeah, oh yeah, I imagine.
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00:04:56.605Yeah, um, I would say my advice is don't start your podcast while there are kids awake.
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00:04:58.149That would be that'd be my advice.
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00:04:59.862That's always dangerous.
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00:05:11.793Yes, yes, it is, because I'm pretty sure there's some anger going on upstairs tonight also don't tell your wife um 15 minutes before you're streaming on a night you normally don't stream, that you're suddenly streaming on that night you normally don't stream.
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00:05:13.687I actually did not do that today.
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00:05:16.629I told her hours in advance, but I have done that before.
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00:05:19.345Oh boy, this sounds gross.
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00:05:22.105What do you think, rob Dill flavored ice cream?
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00:05:22.726I would.
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00:05:34.165I wouldn't eat it, no sounds I mean that's almost as bad as some of the uh flavors I've heard they have in japan, like fish flavored and nope, no, thank you, they got some weird tastes over there.
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00:05:38.692I mean I would try it I, I, one bite at least.
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00:05:40.221It's kind of my policy.
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00:05:41.302I'll try anything once.
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00:05:44.569Um, so yeah, like Like podcasting.
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00:05:46.473No, I'm just kidding, that's what happened.
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00:05:58.526I go on a podcast with some crazy Italian guy just to answer some trivia questions, and then it's going to be three years, three, three, yeah, three years tomorrow.
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00:06:00.947I had to think about that.
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00:06:08.605I don't think I've ever invited before Anthony, a true Italian onto my podcast, so you know he broke that, that habit out of my system.
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00:06:11.848Now I got to invite all the Italians on me.
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00:06:12.610You don't have to.
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00:06:17.692That's actually one of the few ancestries I can't claim is Italian.
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00:06:20.367I've got a lot of other things going on, but Italian is not one of them.
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00:06:23.362All right so me either.
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00:06:28.903So question for you yes, you guys have the best governor in the entire united states.
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00:06:31.853Oh, come on, don't remind me, I'm just kidding.
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00:06:36.511Hey, my mine is competing for the bottom, so there's that what?
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00:06:37.375what state do you live in?
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00:06:42.274If you don't mind me asking, michigan oh okay, yeah, you're right down there, you're right down there with us.
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00:06:50.269We were a candidate yeah, at least yours didn't run for vice president I, she was campaigning for it hard, true, okay, she wanted it.
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00:06:51.250I mean that weird.
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00:06:58.016Look, I've never seen another governor do a dorito chip communion, so did you remember that?
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00:06:58.920Right, that was bizarre, I do.
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00:07:02.290I ain't forgiving her for that one, not that I ever voted for in the first place, but I ain't forgiving her for that one.
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00:07:04.976Not that I ever voted for in the first place, but I ain't forgiving her for it.
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00:07:07.141All right.
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00:07:08.706So first question for you, rob.
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00:07:09.410Okay.
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00:07:14.651What was going through your head when your wife volunteered you for trivia?
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00:07:19.819I was actually excited because I do like playing trivia.
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00:07:28.420I have just kind of a plethora of stupid random facts in my head about everything, not just not just the faith, um.
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00:07:38.870So you know, I guess, while the the prideful part of Anthony wants to get out there and become famous, I just like showing off all these random facts that I have.
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00:07:43.971So, um, so I was excited, uh, just to just to play trivia, honestly.
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00:07:50.512Yeah, trivia is fun, but it's less fun when somebody memorizes all the answers.
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00:07:55.029Well, okay, not for the person answering.
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00:08:02.360I know that Anthony gave away your secret on that, but you said you were committed.
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00:08:09.930Okay, so I had no idea that the trivia game I had was the exact one he was using to pull questions from.
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00:08:19.661So I was just doing it as a way to pass time and like just kind of practice, not knowing you would be the exact same set of questions that makes sense.
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00:08:24.305I'm just giving you a hard time, but but I guess did you.
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00:08:26.086You see, you had interactions with Anthony.
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00:08:27.728Let's, let's get the timeline down correctly.
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00:08:34.433You had interactions with Anthony, but, yes, you, you had never talked to him before in person or over stream or anything like that, correct?
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00:08:37.355So you know I'd seen him on Twitter.
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00:08:43.187I probably found him on twitter.
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00:08:55.041Had to be 2020 2020 yeah, and like, everyone's just finding anthony on twitter, um, you're, you don't realize what he's doing and you just hate everything he's doing.
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00:09:12.596Um, and then after a while I realized there's a little bit of a method to his madness, a little bit, and he's not just well, he is as brash as he seems, but it's not all like mean-spirited or anything like that.
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00:09:23.453Yeah, and then one of the Catholic podcasts and YouTube channels I was watching a lot at the time was Meaning of Catholic, which I really like.
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00:09:37.494Yeah, I was watching it all the time and in the live chat I would see Anthony in there and that was my first clue like this isn't just some a-hole, you know, right, right, right.
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00:09:41.951He's into the same thing, you know into the faith just as much as I am.
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00:09:46.662So I kind of got to know him through there, through the Meaning Catholic through Twitter.
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00:09:48.601Did you know the Meaning of Catholic guys?
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00:09:51.359Just watched them, okay.
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00:09:57.585Yeah, I didn't know them until we started doing the podcast, because I think their actual headquarters, or whatever you want to call it.
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00:10:00.321where Tim Flanders is from is actually not too far from me.
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00:10:02.004That's why I was asking yeah, Grand.
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00:10:02.365Rapids.
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00:10:05.009They just got hit by a nasty storm.
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00:10:10.024I saw that the ice storm was nuts, yeah, um, anyways, keep going on.
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00:10:12.130The the uh um.
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00:10:22.822So, like I said, I kind of got to know him a little through Twitter, a little through meaning of Catholic, and then I saw that he was starting his own channel and you know, I figured well I'll, I'll watch his stuff.
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00:10:27.489You know I'll be and I figured well I'll watch his stuff, I'll be in his audience just to kind of help support him a little.
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00:10:32.015And there was about five of us in those early, early episodes.
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00:10:48.504It was me, mrs C who I see is in the comments my wife and then one or two other people, and then, out of nowhere, that lasted a few months and then he decided to come up with the idea for trivia and my wife volunteered me.
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00:10:54.940The rest is kind of history so I've got um at the bottom here.
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00:10:55.966I'm just going to throw this up there.
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00:11:00.563I'm going to put this up a couple times during the podcast, but uh, wait, that's not it there.
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00:11:04.610That way people will know what the heck we started off with.
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00:11:07.455That is the trivia quote, in case anybody's looking for it.
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00:11:11.000The dot dot docs is just too long to put it up as a banner.
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00:11:16.970But I'll put that up a couple of times If you can guess the name of the person who said it, the area he's from or the year he said it.
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00:11:28.996Actually, I think somebody posted this on Twitter in the last like six to 12 months, so it might be easy to find actually on Twitter in the last like six to 12 months, so it might be easy to find actually.
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00:11:36.534But anyways, yeah, if you get figured out, I will put your name on the chat on the banner thing and I'll give you guys a little shout out whatever, but not that you guys need it.
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00:11:47.200But it is really interesting to think you went from trivia guest, volunteered by your wife, to co-host producer, avoiding bad one, in like a period of what?
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00:11:50.785Three months or so yeah, basically um.
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00:11:53.451So that, yeah, that he was.
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00:12:00.346He invited me on for trivia with um, uh, to play against catholic comedy, who's also on twitter.
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00:12:29.447So, uh, me and steven from catholic comedy were the, the two, the two contestants, and um, and the game was fun, went well, um, you know, I kind of liked the feel of you know I, I had a decent setup, uh, camera, microphone, headphones, stuff like that for work or for otherwise yeah, kind of for work, work purposes and kind of gaming at the time and stuff like that.
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00:12:38.730Um, so I'm like, well you know, yeah, maybe I'll start some sort of podcast, you know, to go through, like the baltimore catechism or something like that.
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00:12:45.408Now I told anthony that and did you get this idea before or after father mike schmitz did the modern catechism with catholic church?
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00:12:55.716I think this was before like a year or so yeah, this was like the year he released, uh, the the first year he did bible in a year, I think it was.
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00:13:00.369That would have been really interesting if you guys would have been releasing those two catechisms side by side.
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00:13:05.779I mean, I'm sure he has more, like you know, bandwidth of whatever, whatever you want to call it.
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00:13:08.466But like millions of people more.
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00:13:14.125Yeah, exactly but at the same time you've got somebody else posting like baltimore catechism.
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00:13:19.243In a year I bet you'd have found your audience of trads that way, that's for sure probably, um.
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00:13:25.653So you know, I told anthony that and trivia went well, so I actually recorded.
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00:13:32.029I was going to go through like the first chapter of the Baltimore catechism and I recorded and it took two and a half hours.
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00:13:40.866At the end of that two and a half hours I realized I was on mute the whole time and I'm like, well, this sucks, maybe I don't want to do this.
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00:14:07.159And then literally the next that was a Friday night, no-transcript.
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00:14:09.726I think it's something unique that no one else is doing.
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00:14:12.847You know, do you want to be a part of it?
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00:14:15.768Like, do you want to help me host it and run it?
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00:14:18.316You know, and be like 50% of the channel?
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00:14:22.191I'm like, well, that's kind of out of the blue, but sure, let's give it a shot, I guess.
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00:14:30.591And who was your first guest again, uh, did you guys start doing guests because you didn't have guests right away?
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00:14:31.214I don't believe.
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00:14:31.816Well, I mean we.
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00:14:34.245So we did have like trivia contest.
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00:14:45.129You know contestants and we made good friends with, with a lot of them that we had on, like jason and mark from uh yeah, it's text cathedra, whatever it used to be.
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00:14:51.006Yep, yeah, it was a cooler name though it is cooler, but I do miss the old trad men.
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00:14:54.836Um, let me see who are first.
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00:14:58.423So some of the first non-trivia shows were like that june.
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00:15:00.264So we started trivia in april.
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00:15:04.971That june, um was the dobbs decision.
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00:15:13.351So we out of nowhere like decided to hop on and that night and you know, just kind of celebrate and discuss.
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00:15:16.721So that was one of our first non-trivia episodes.
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00:15:36.703And then, let's see, if my memory serves, then like uh, one of the mass of the ages, um, I think it was like episode two came out so we decided to do to cover it yeah, to do like a review of that um sure okay, I'm back
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00:15:37.163oh yeah.
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00:15:41.649So yeah, it was the the role overturned episode that was in.
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00:15:55.705Well, that was may 3rd, and then the mass of the ages review show and, like we had father nicks on as a guest for that, he actually streamed from his motorhome as he was driving, so that was interesting.
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00:16:07.779Um, but then, like, the first interview we did was um anthony's sister actually, who was discerning a religious vocation at the time, anthony's sister actually who was discerning a religious vocation at the time, anthony's sister was Mm-hmm.
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00:16:09.726I don't remember him ever talking about that.
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00:16:11.326It must have been way early in the podcast then.
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00:16:17.368Yeah, she was discerning a vocation with the Passionists, so we had her on to discuss that.
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00:16:20.222Yeah, the first one.
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00:16:35.403I think I told Anthony this, but if you didn't watch that one, I don't know if you did but um, the first one I saw of you guys was I believe it was the hitchborn interview the younger creationist stuff the, the first hitchborn show we did with the flood and the giants and everything else.
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00:16:37.529Almost every time we have hitchborn on, we talk about that.
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00:16:41.225So when someone says that it's like no, it's the first time that you guys discussed it actually.
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00:16:46.254Uh, but yes, that is a recurring theme with hitchborn, that is for sure.
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00:16:50.027Uh, because it's such a it's such a wide topic.
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00:16:58.971Uh, and if you combine that with all the interest in that ancient apocalypse show on netflix, a lot of people are interested in it.
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00:17:02.206As soon as they watch that, they're like I want to know more, you know.
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00:17:14.048So it's like you hit something like that and you're, you're right on top of it you know, I never would have thought that that hitchborn episode and all the subsequent ones would have gone that direction.
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00:17:16.441You know, because you have michael who's so?
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00:17:33.728Um lapanto, yeah, yeah, you know he's, he's all dressed up proper and you know he talks about, you know, more or less like this investigative journalism he does, looking into all these scandals of these charities, and then he comes on with us and talks about he's probably bored of talking.
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00:17:39.152I mean probably not bored, but he probably gets sick of always being the guy to talk about that stuff.
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00:17:49.095Yeah, and that's why when we do interviews with some of those bigger names or some of those people who are almost like typecast in a way, we try to talk about other things.
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00:18:04.752Like when we have Dr Marshall on, we don't like to talk about all the usual like trad stuff, you know, we like to talk about like biblical typology with him and just because people see that that side of them all the all the time, you know, let's give them something a little different.
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00:18:06.303See that that side of them all the all the time.
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00:18:07.846You know, let's give them something a little different.
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00:18:11.574I would love to discuss his time as an anglican priest with a pregnant wife in the vatican.
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00:18:23.771That would be an interesting discussion oh yeah, that would be so very interesting because he's he's done an episode on before but it has been so long and he only, you know, briefly talked about.
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00:18:28.778It wasn't like a long video or anything like that, you know, but he converted during benedict.
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00:18:30.241That'd be a super interesting story.
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00:18:54.119Um, the next question I had for you is I know you're really into like history and stuff when do you think the west completely converted from, you know, the old school West with monarchy and all that stuff, finally into what it is today, which is probably not as good, but, dare I say, when do you think that happened?
00:18:54.961 -->
00:18:58.151When was the fall, more or less, of the old world?
00:18:58.171 -->
00:18:58.652war two?
00:18:58.652 -->
00:19:00.585Was it before those two wars?
00:19:00.585 -->
00:19:02.170When do you, when do you think that happened?
00:19:02.420 -->
00:19:07.961It's it's hardest, at least when it comes to this sort of topic.
00:19:07.961 -->
00:19:11.471I don't, I wouldn't really separate world war one and world war two.
00:19:11.471 -->
00:19:16.050Um, I would say it definitely started with world war one.
00:19:16.050 -->
00:19:19.459Um, you know, you had the, the tradition.
00:19:19.459 -->
00:19:23.964Well, it's hard to call germany a traditional monarchy, right, because it really wasn't.
00:19:24.045 -->
00:19:37.770It only existed for, for, uh, 40 years prussian emperor empire, or he's yeah, yeah, yeah right, yeah, what was called the german empire really wasn't an empire, uh, and it really wasn't german.
00:19:37.770 -->
00:19:56.946I mean, it was that it was made of german states, but yeah, um, but it was really prussian in nature, um, but you know, you had you had the habsburgs, obviously, uh, with austria-hungary, and then you, you, on the other side, you had, you had the czar, but besides the czar you had all the new republics.
00:19:56.946 -->
00:20:17.835You know, you had britain, you had, uh, france, you had, um america, you had the, the free, masonic, uh, kingdom of italy, um, so you, really, it was kind of almost traditional europe, verse, uh, republican europe, in a sense, um, and then you then the.
00:20:17.835 -->
00:20:22.669The result of that was really the overthrow of all the, all the european monarch, you know you had.
00:20:23.309 -->
00:20:29.491The Kaiser was forced to step down, give way to, you know, the Weimar Republic.
00:20:29.491 -->
00:20:34.519You had the Habsburgs exiled and the Habsburg realm torn apart.
00:20:34.519 -->
00:20:41.193You had the Bolsheviks take over in Russia and literally slaughter, you know, the Romanovs.
00:20:41.193 -->
00:20:45.949And then World War II was a reaction to that.
00:20:45.949 -->
00:20:57.481World war ii was, you know, was, was people realizing how terrible that was and they looked to a new system to try to restore that.
00:20:57.481 -->
00:21:05.067You know, the new system being uh national socialism in germany and fascism in italy, you know, things of that nature.
00:21:05.799 -->
00:21:07.787But really you know Mussolini and all that yeah.
00:21:08.167 -->
00:21:15.811Yeah, but really that movement was opposed to the new system created by World War.
00:21:15.811 -->
00:21:18.141I Right you?
00:21:18.161 -->
00:21:26.122know the Weimar Germany, the Weimar Republic, whatever you want to call it, and I don't even know what was going on italy during that time.
00:21:26.122 -->
00:21:36.183To be honest with you, I do know that at some point there was a agreement where the pope had a little more power over the vatican but yeah, that was the, the, the lateran treaty of 1920.
00:21:36.183 -->
00:21:38.971That's right, yeah yeah, lateran, that's what I couldn't think of.
00:21:38.971 -->
00:21:43.164So you think franz ferdinand was the domino that dropped it all?
00:21:44.465 -->
00:21:44.906Definitely.
00:21:44.906 -->
00:21:53.096I mean, now, that was definitely the fuse that ignited it.
00:21:53.096 -->
00:21:58.932But I mean the treaty system that had been created was really what really caused World War I.
00:21:58.932 -->
00:22:04.531Because the second, you know, Austria, gave that ultimatum to to Serbia.
00:22:04.531 -->
00:22:07.779And the second, Russia decided they would stand behind Serbia.
00:22:07.779 -->
00:22:12.785I mean there was, there was no, no, really stopping.
00:22:12.785 -->
00:22:14.386What was going to happen at that point?
00:22:14.386 -->
00:22:27.711You know, because Russia, when they decide to start to mobilize, you know they're, of all the countries, they are the most, I don't want to say backwards at the time, but they are still organized in the old way in World War I.
00:22:27.711 -->
00:22:34.972So when they put out those orders for mobilization, one, it takes them forever and two, there's no undoing it.
00:22:34.972 -->
00:22:38.829If they decide to stop and they're wrong, they're screwed.
00:22:38.829 -->
00:22:40.867So once they start, they have to keep going.
00:22:41.780 -->
00:22:44.189You can't have a movement like that and just stop it.
00:22:44.189 -->
00:22:46.003It doesn't work that way right.
00:22:46.064 -->
00:22:47.948So the second russia starts to mobilize.
00:22:47.948 -->
00:22:53.609Germany, whose war plan at this time knows how long russia takes to mobilize.
00:22:53.609 -->
00:23:00.789They know that if they have to fight against russia they're like they are likely to fight against france, and they're only.
00:23:00.789 -->
00:23:02.641They can't fight off both on both sides.
00:23:02.641 -->
00:23:11.634Their only shot is to defeat france so fast that they can defeat france and move all their forces all the way over then against russia.
00:23:11.634 -->
00:23:14.082So the second russia starts to mobilize.
00:23:14.804 -->
00:23:24.451It forces germany more or less to invade france as quickly as they can because at that time was germany looking to fr as a potential ally, or were they looking at them as a problem?
00:23:24.451 -->
00:23:24.971I don't remember.
00:23:27.539 -->
00:23:27.799As an enemy.
00:23:27.799 -->
00:23:37.134Definitely, you have the double entente of France and Russia, which had gone back probably I forget the exact dates, but at least 10, 15 years.
00:23:37.134 -->
00:23:47.663And then Britain joined later, much closer to World War I, into what was called the triple entente, much closer to world war one, into the what was called the triple, the triple entente.
00:23:47.663 -->
00:23:58.675So germany knew that that a war with one meant a war with the other and that meant, like I said, if they, if russia, was mobilizing, they had to defeat france and they had to defeat france quickly.
00:23:58.675 -->
00:24:17.682And unfortunately, to do it quickly they had to go through belgium and avoid um, some of the the large um forts, and by invading, by attacking france through belgium, that is what brought britain in, because britain was kind of on the fence until germany did that.
00:24:17.682 -->
00:24:36.217So it's all these these you know political connections meshed with you know this very complicated war planning, that kind of causes what leads into World War I.
00:24:37.779 -->
00:24:44.513And really, if you ask me, I'd say the Napoleonic Wars were the first world wars, but nobody wants to label those world wars.
00:24:45.579 -->
00:24:46.905Yeah, in many ways, ways they really were.
00:24:46.905 -->
00:25:04.111I mean, you had, you had theaters of war all across the globe, you know, um, and that the, the Napoleonic Wars, is what creates, uh, the European, you know, the concert of Europe system that lasts from then up almost until world war one.
00:25:04.359 -->
00:25:06.527So yeah, I've been've been.
00:25:06.527 -->
00:25:08.480Uh, I'm sure you've read this book.
00:25:08.480 -->
00:25:14.300The count of monte cristo led to my interest in napoleonic wars okay have you read the I've?
00:25:14.421 -->
00:25:15.625actually never read the book.
00:25:15.707 -->
00:25:23.886No because a big part of the kind of money, christa at least the first half is the exile of napoleon on the island.
00:25:23.886 -->
00:25:28.835And then somebody gets entrenched into that.
00:25:28.835 -->
00:25:29.435On accident.
00:25:29.435 -->
00:25:47.089An illiterate guy accidentally delivers a letter of Napoleon to the son of somebody else, and that son is the son of a magistrate type, somebody who's an official with the government of France, and clearly the guy has some compassion for Napoleon.
00:25:47.089 -->
00:25:54.625So when the son intercepts it, who's looking for political upheaval and rising in the ranks, he's like, oh no, this will ruin my career.
00:25:55.121 -->
00:26:02.326So he pins the note on the main character of the kind of my crystal, gets him exiled to prison in I can't think of what the prison's called.
00:26:02.326 -->
00:26:14.801And then the, the has his father literally murdered, has him assassinated so that he can end this whole compassion to napoleon and I was like whoa, I didn't really.
00:26:14.801 -->
00:26:19.916And then he gets out of prison before napoleon gets his hundred days.
00:26:19.916 -->
00:26:25.333So okay, he ends up like taking a new identity and everything.
00:26:25.333 -->
00:26:33.292The whole book is like completely, uh, the, the, the catechist of a catechist, the, what the heck?
00:26:33.292 -->
00:26:42.672I'm thinking catechon, that's not, I know the mechanism that drives it, the mechanism that drives it is napoleon.
00:26:42.792 -->
00:26:44.392That's how he gets in trouble, the catalyst.
00:26:44.392 -->
00:26:44.917The catalyst, yeah, that's it.
00:26:44.917 -->
00:26:44.973That's the word.
00:26:44.973 -->
00:26:44.968I is napoleon.
00:26:44.968 -->
00:26:45.954That's how he gets in trouble, the catalyst the catalyst.
00:26:45.994 -->
00:26:46.615Yeah, that's it.
00:26:46.615 -->
00:26:49.936That's the word I couldn't think of it's like anyway.
00:26:50.258 -->
00:27:07.471So basically, the idea is that napoleon's uh, the supporters of napoleon who are still in the french government and he accidentally gets involved with it on a merchant ship that stops at the island, for because everybody got sick on the ship so they had to pull over until the captain, could, you know, write the ship.
00:27:07.471 -->
00:27:08.723I want to say that.
00:27:08.723 -->
00:27:14.165And uh, napoleon ends up giving him a letter and says deliver this to so-and-so.
00:27:14.165 -->
00:27:18.151And so he does, like a good person, just delivers the letter and then ends up in prison.
00:27:18.151 -->
00:27:26.150And it doesn't help that his girlfriend was, uh, the entire, and it doesn't help that his girlfriend was the tar fiance whatever she was, he was going to marry her at some point.
00:27:27.011 -->
00:27:33.365Uh happens to be in this conspiracy on accident because another guy who wants to put him in prison likes her.
00:27:33.365 -->
00:27:44.085So the son and the, the, the fight the guy who also wants his girlfriend, they, they establish a little bit of a, a mutiny or a conspiracy against him, and that's how this all happens.
00:27:44.085 -->
00:27:45.535Anyways, a mutiny or a conspiracy against him, and that's how this all happens.
00:27:45.535 -->
00:27:45.715Anyways.
00:27:45.715 -->
00:27:52.053It all unwinds into a very interesting revenge story okay, I have to, you should read it sometime, I think you'd like it.
00:27:55.205 -->
00:27:57.269I'd like to see crash interview taylor.
00:27:57.269 -->
00:28:01.561That would be interesting, but I I don't think he's gonna have time for me anytime soon.
00:28:01.582 -->
00:28:07.088We'll see if anyone could get you an interview with him, it probably would be joey, you think so?
00:28:07.088 -->
00:28:11.214Yeah, yeah well, if taylor wants to set that up.
00:28:11.295 -->
00:28:13.425I'm happy to, I'm happy to bring him on.
00:28:13.465 -->
00:28:14.671That'd be fun, taylor and joy.
00:28:14.671 -->
00:28:21.068Or I think they were joey's um newest child's godparents really I'm pretty sure well, let's do it.
00:28:21.108 -->
00:28:22.732Joey, help me out here, I'll do it.
00:28:22.732 -->
00:28:24.842I would be happy to interview him.
00:28:24.842 -->
00:28:27.285Um, what was I going to say?
00:28:27.285 -->
00:28:35.454Okay, so basically, your thought process is that World War One, at the very least, led to the fall of the Old West.
00:28:35.454 -->
00:28:39.767We'll call it yeah, like, essentially, christendom is over at that point.
00:28:39.767 -->
00:28:41.491Now we're into post Christendom.
00:28:41.981 -->
00:28:44.913Now we're in a post-Christendom?
00:28:54.480 -->
00:28:59.257Yeah, because even the regimes that kind of rise to, if not restore old Europe, then at least oppose the new system.
00:28:59.257 -->
00:29:11.122You know, even those regimes are definitely post-Christian, those regimes are definitely post-christian.
00:29:11.122 -->
00:29:20.085You know, mussolini, um, while he wasn't like a total enemy of the church, you know, like many of the, the republican sorts of governments were, um, he definitely also was not like a great christian leader either.
00:29:20.085 -->
00:29:25.712Um, now there are stories that he repented, uh, before his death.
00:29:25.712 -->
00:29:27.901Um, and I hope they're true, of course.
00:29:28.843 -->
00:29:45.698Um, you know, and you had other regimes that, while they didn't take part in world war ii, were, um, we're still kind of post-christian, in a sense, right like like franco, uh, in spain, um, you know, great leader, uh, I would say his fight against the, the communists, was just for sure in Spain.
00:29:45.698 -->
00:30:08.145Great leader, I would say his fight against the communists was just for sure, but he still had to resort to two certain tactics to win and ultimately he did restore the Spanish monarchy, but it was a very liberal and kind of toothless monarchy and has was a very ended up being a very liberal and kind of toothless monarchy and has since kind of, you know, fallen and failed.
00:30:08.266 -->
00:30:13.003So what even time frame did this, did, his did was franco again.
00:30:13.023 -->
00:30:17.742The spanish civil war really started to rage in the 30s the 30s.
00:30:17.763 -->
00:30:24.961This is like right after, right after the uh, all the stuff that happened in mexico then yeah, about a decade later.
00:30:24.961 -->
00:30:31.188Yeah, because Mexico they ran through a communist regime and that For Greater Glory movie is great.
00:30:31.188 -->
00:30:36.192It sounds like there were some similar battles going on over in Italy during that time.
00:30:37.472 -->
00:30:45.278Yeah, in Italy it was the 20s, like Mussolini, and the fascist rose to power in the 20s, right like Mussolini and the fascists rose to power in the 20s.
00:30:45.278 -->
00:30:51.369Right, you know, because really the 20s were a really scary time in Europe where it really looked like the communists.
00:30:51.369 -->
00:30:58.693You know, because the Bolsheviks in Russia were an international communist party.
00:30:58.693 -->
00:31:05.692They saw Russia as like the stepping stone to a larger global, international communism.
00:31:05.692 -->
00:31:12.172Um, so you had, in most European nations in the twenties the communists were the largest political parties.
00:31:12.172 -->
00:31:20.123Uh, you know, in Germany you had literal street battles going on between, uh, the communists and other political parties.
00:31:20.123 -->
00:31:21.306Same thing in, like Italy.
00:31:21.306 -->
00:31:24.634Uh, in spain they have a whole civil war against them.
00:31:24.634 -->
00:31:29.505So the 20s was, it was a scary decade in in uh, in europe.
00:31:30.346 -->
00:31:51.354yeah, pretty much the only place that was quote-unquote roaring was the america, was the north america at that point in time, yeah, and and you know, when the worldwide economy is having such issues as what was going on with the upheaval in Europe and all that, it makes sense that America would eventually feel it with the depression.
00:31:52.659 -->
00:31:59.082Yep, you know, in Germany I forget exactly when it started All that stuff was.
00:31:59.082 -->
00:32:19.665I learned a long time ago, but it was at least you know I think it was mid-20s time ago, but um, it was, at least you know, I think it was mid-20s you had, um, you had the issue start there and, um, and like the rhineland and the rural valley, uh, they were of course paying huge sums of money as reparations to, to france and britain.
00:32:19.665 -->
00:32:39.323Um, they weren't allowed really to control their industrial heartland and in in the Rhineland and we're a Valley and stuff, so their economy just collapses and you, you know, you see hyperinflation um happen to the point where you literally had to take a wheelbarrow full of paper money to go buy a single loaf of bread.
00:32:39.323 -->
00:32:48.345You know where it was actually cheaper to burn piles of money for fuel than buy fuel with that money I've seen that quote somewhere.
00:32:48.365 -->
00:32:52.752I'm not sure who said it, but definitely seen that stated yeah.
00:32:52.752 -->
00:32:57.463So question for you post that right.
00:32:57.463 -->
00:32:59.526Yep what?
00:32:59.526 -->
00:33:02.689What did more damage to the church?
00:33:02.689 -->
00:33:09.797Do you think the fall of the monarchical Old West or the Protestant Reformation?
00:33:09.797 -->
00:33:14.128Because I think those kind of go hand in hand in different time periods.
00:33:15.090 -->
00:33:15.772That's a tough one.
00:33:15.772 -->
00:33:23.388I suppose it depends on how you're going to define church.
00:33:23.388 -->
00:33:25.955I suppose it depends on how you're going to define church.
00:33:25.955 -->
00:33:41.211If you're talking like what did the most damage to the greatest number of souls or to the body of Christ as a whole, and not necessarily just like the institutional church, then I think an argument could be made for either.
00:33:41.211 -->
00:33:53.269It's hard, I mean, even then, though, the greatest number of souls being lost probably has happened in the last 50 to 60 years, and then during the Protestant Revolution.
00:33:53.401 -->
00:33:57.229But you could say the Protestant Revolution in many ways led to where we are now.
00:33:57.229 -->
00:34:04.428But I would say, in many ways the church responded much better to the Protestant Revolution.
00:34:04.428 -->
00:34:14.099You know you actually had a true catholic reformation happening, honestly, 20, 30 years prior to the protestant revolution.
00:34:14.099 -->
00:34:25.771You know you had reformers in spain under like ferdinand and isabella in the, you know, the 1490s, fixing the things that luther would complain about 30 years later.
00:34:25.771 -->
00:34:40.882So not only were we actually already working on these issues prior, but once the Protestant Revolution does happen, you have all these great churchmen step up right, all these saints, you know.
00:34:40.882 -->
00:34:46.231You have the Jes, jesuits, you know, start in.
00:34:46.231 -->
00:34:49.083They're almost like, uh, catholic shock troopers.
00:34:49.083 -->
00:34:51.307You know they, literally.
00:34:51.307 -->
00:34:58.112Uh, the jesuits almost reconvert all of europe to catholicism prior to, like, the 30 years war.
00:34:58.192 -->
00:35:04.585You know they, they used to be very, very well liked in the church.
00:35:04.626 -->
00:35:06.347Yeah, until they.
00:35:06.347 -->
00:35:10.815I mean, they did such a good job that, like the Templars, they became their own worst enemies.
00:35:10.815 -->
00:35:16.036They became so successful that you have these other orders and groups within the church.
00:35:16.036 -->
00:35:24.418Just start to be very bitter towards them and oppose them, simply just to oppose them, which ends up leading to their suppression.
00:35:24.418 -->
00:35:32.842Um, which, at that point it was, it was an unjust suppression, whereas nowadays, if they were suppressed, they probably deserve it, probably a good thing.
00:35:33.244 -->
00:35:36.652But well, and they won't be suppressed under the current pope.
00:35:36.652 -->
00:35:37.300Just you know.
00:35:37.300 -->
00:35:40.771I mean not likely, because he is a jesuit he's a jesuit.
00:35:41.172 -->
00:35:48.070They're supposed to never become bishops or popes is that actually part of the order's requirements?
00:35:48.871 -->
00:35:49.592I didn't think it was.
00:35:49.980 -->
00:35:52.588I don't know if it's part of their canons.
00:35:52.588 -->
00:35:58.432It was at least a very closely held tradition for a long time.
00:35:58.432 -->
00:36:01.909They weren't to seek position within the church.
00:36:01.909 -->
00:36:07.922I don't know if it was ever specifically a rule position within the church.
00:36:07.922 -->
00:36:10.836I don't know if it was ever specifically a rule, but but um, but yeah, the church responded really well to the Protestant revolution.
00:36:10.856 -->
00:36:23.878Actually, you know, with the council of Trent and through saints like Bellarmine and Kajetan and and just all these amazingly brilliant minds who, who you know, who were at the council of Trenton and afterwards.
00:36:23.878 -->
00:36:26.920You know who were at the Council of Trenton afterwards.
00:36:26.920 -->
00:37:02.208Whereas the church, you know today, through its current crisis, you know, which really is kind of like a result of the fall of the West, I think we're still trying to figure out how to respond to it, cause I think the what we tried at Vatican two and the new springtime afterward, even if it was done in the best of intentions and even if you interpreted in the most charitable way possible, it's hard to say that it was successful at this point.
00:37:03.170 -->
00:37:05.686Yeah, especially I mean considering the Vatican too.
00:37:05.686 -->
00:37:20.045No matter what a document says I mean, we learned this under several presidents no matter what your, your defining documents say, if your leaders and your culture don't support that document, things are going to go a different direction.
00:37:20.045 -->
00:37:26.891Yeah, so I think that's pretty similar to what ended up going on with Vatican II.
00:37:26.891 -->
00:37:28.427Can you look at the documents of Vatican II?
00:37:28.427 -->
00:37:40.619There's nothing extraordinary there as far as changing, other than maybe you could argue the dogmatic constitution was a little different with how they treat other religions, because that was kind of revolutionary.
00:37:40.619 -->
00:37:42.710But I don't even know if that's technically.
00:37:42.731 -->
00:37:53.945I don't even know if that's technically part of vatican ii or if that's a separate piece no, nostril tete, um and lumen gentium, the two kind of documents that touch on that the most.
00:37:53.945 -->
00:38:13.144I mean, they're definitely vatican ii documents, um for sure, um, probably the two most authoritative documents actually, but but yeah, I would say, I would say if there was any real change of vatican ii drastic change it was it was in that area more than others.
00:38:13.184 -->
00:38:17.722Yeah but the ecumenism with religions that aren't even christian technically.
00:38:17.722 -->
00:38:30.987Yep, yep, which, by the way, speaking of talking about um, uh, christianity with you guys, when you guys were interviewing sam shamu and I was blown away by the, the whole word of god thing with jeremiah and all that.
00:38:30.987 -->
00:38:31.809I was like whoa.
00:38:31.809 -->
00:38:38.760I had to go back and look at some of those verses in the old testament to see if I could figure out exactly what he was talking about.
00:38:38.780 -->
00:38:59.492That was pretty cool you know, and even if you, whether you take his position that it is like a pre-incarnate, uh christ, or you take the more like um thomas, scholastic position that it's some creative effect created effect or whatever kind of thing, right but theophany created effect.
00:38:59.891 -->
00:39:16.880However you want to say it, regardless of that position, like prior to to hearing that from sam or just having those passages pointed out, I I wouldn't have pointed those out as like examples of the trinity in the old testament.
00:39:16.880 -->
00:39:18.063I wouldn't have thought to do that.
00:39:18.063 -->
00:39:33.567So I think overall, just Sam pointing these areas out as a way to show the Trinity in the Old Testament is great and I don't think you'd necessarily have to get into the minutia of how God accomplished it and to you know.
00:39:33.586 -->
00:39:37.648But no, I don't think you necessarily have to.
00:39:37.648 -->
00:39:40.284I mean really, I guess where I stand on everything is like you know.
00:39:40.284 -->
00:39:45.735If anybody comes at me and says God didn't create the world and everything in it, I'm immediately discarding their opinion.
00:39:45.735 -->
00:39:48.987So I don't need to hear what they have to say after that, because it's like who cares?
00:39:49.369 -->
00:39:50.211You're just coming at it.
00:39:50.211 -->
00:39:56.268Your foundation is totally different from mine, so I can't even take what you're saying with a grain of salt.
00:39:56.268 -->
00:39:58.650I can't even take what you're saying at all because I don't.
00:39:58.650 -->
00:40:03.233I don't trust it, like right when I don't trust atheists no, you in.
00:40:04.655 -->
00:40:13.987You can't because, at like a presuppositional level, the worldview is so different that like, yeah, yeah that.
00:40:13.987 -->
00:40:23.496How can you trust them when they can't tell you why it would be wrong to lie or to make up a falsehood, or something like that?
00:40:23.496 -->
00:40:24.119What's their moral authority?
00:40:24.601 -->
00:40:31.820There's no more authority to turn to Like oh, my authority is the Christian morality of civilization.
00:40:31.820 -->
00:40:36.431So you're admitting that Christianity is your foundation, you just reject it.
00:40:36.431 -->
00:40:45.451That's what they're doing, right, because if you claim that christian morality is good, then your foundation is christianity, whether you admit it or not.
00:40:45.451 -->
00:40:49.447Yep, so here's a question for you.
00:40:49.447 -->
00:40:50.389I don't, anthony.
00:40:50.389 -->
00:40:54.664I started getting into this, but I don't think he was necessarily ready for it.
00:40:54.664 -->
00:41:01.639I think you might be, though okay where do you land on the use of masoretic texts for a bible translation?
00:41:03.744 -->
00:41:40.275I think it depends what you're using it for, right I think, I think for for liturgy especially, we shouldn't use masoretic um, you know, we shouldn't use translations taking, taken from the masoretic manuscripts um, just because, liturgically speaking, like that was just never done until well, until like vatican ii um jerome's texts predate the masoretic by like 500 plus years yeah, yeah, the masoretic texts really weren't finished until almost 900, or allegedly could be as far as 1200 somewhere in that time frame.
00:41:40.315 -->
00:41:45.492Yeah, it starts maybe in the 700s and goes possibly up to 1200.
00:41:45.492 -->
00:41:46.936Um, so yeah, they they're.
00:41:46.936 -->
00:42:07.869They're just so much older and while they do originate from you know, like these proto-matic, proto-maseratic manuscripts that do you know, that are about the same age as, like Septuagint, if not maybe a little bit older, possibly the Masoretic manuscripts that are used for translation.
00:42:07.869 -->
00:42:10.148This is the scripture of the Pharisees.
00:42:10.148 -->
00:42:15.112It was developed by the Pharisees after the failed Jewish revolts.
00:42:15.112 -->
00:42:18.543When they're exiled again to Babylon, which revolt?
00:42:18.643 -->
00:42:29.085That's the real question Because there's a lot of jewish revolts, right, right, I mean you had the destruction of the temple in 70 ad and then you have the um barcode.
00:42:29.085 -->
00:42:30.367What is the barcode?
00:42:30.367 -->
00:42:38.025Uh, revolt, and like 120 or something, where jerusalem is like literally leveled completely to the ground.
00:42:38.025 -->
00:42:41.431Um, and that's when you have all the Pharisees.
00:42:41.431 -->
00:42:49.228Well, the Jewish diaspora in general, but the Pharisees you know who escaped the temple destruction in 70 AD.
00:42:50.583 -->
00:43:03.204It wasn't mostly the Pharisees or the Zealots that escaped, it was the rich, the Sadducees, it was your Hellenistic Jews that escaped the temple destruction, and then some pharisees and you know whatever.
00:43:03.204 -->
00:43:18.728But like josephus being a pharisee who wrote about it after the fact, like he's kind of unique in that aspect because he even talks about it as if this is like of biblical proportions that the temple falls and it's like how can you write that?
00:43:18.849 -->
00:43:24.606and discard the prophecy 40 years before how can you do that?
00:43:24.606 -->
00:43:30.023I don't understand well, that's why I should have read that quote to start this podcast.
00:43:30.063 -->
00:43:37.646Nobody got that that's why it's hard to to really support the masoretic text.
00:43:37.646 -->
00:43:42.833Right, because you have this group that is diametrically opposed to Christ and his church.
00:43:42.833 -->
00:43:43.894So much so there were.
00:43:43.894 -->
00:43:49.728They completely ignore a prophecy made 40 years before the destruction of the temple, and they do so purposefully.
00:43:49.728 -->
00:43:53.884So it's hard to to then take the scriptures.
00:43:53.884 -->
00:43:58.606They develop in opposition to the church and say we should use these within the church.
00:43:58.606 -->
00:44:11.731Now, if you want to, you know, for scholars to use them for, like deep bible study and textual analysis, I I don't have a problem with that, as long as they do so under the guidance of the church.
00:44:11.731 -->
00:44:17.052But for something like liturgy or devotion or something like that, I think we we need to.
00:44:18.182 -->
00:44:43.311We need to take things from the vulgate or from the septuagint yeah, because I mean, the septuagint would have been what the greeks that jesus was preaching to, and then the jews, uh, would have been using yes, I think in the new the new testament authors quote the septuagint over 300 times compared to like 40 times for the masoretic and I would imagine, in the cases where they're quoting the Masoretic, it would match the Septuagint as well.
00:44:43.775 -->
00:44:52.050Yeah, yeah, and it's more or less, maybe just different idioms or you know ways of phrasing that they're taking from the Masoretic as opposed to the Septuagint.
00:44:53.001 -->
00:44:59.510So then that leads me to the big question here Is it he shall crush thy head or she shall crush thy head?
00:44:59.532 -->
00:45:01.699I am by no means a the big question here is it he shall crush the head or she shall crush the head?
00:45:01.699 -->
00:45:05.369Uh, I, I am by no means a Hebrew expert and I've seen it.
00:45:05.369 -->
00:45:15.291I've seen it said both ways Um, uh, and I think it can be both ways and still mean the same thing.
00:45:15.682 -->
00:45:24.523But overall, I think, I think there is more evidence for she personally so I'm going to give you a little bit of a breakdown.
00:45:24.543 -->
00:45:29.286I was going to give it to enoch last week and then I kind of held off and I was going to do a whole episode on this.
00:45:29.286 -->
00:45:32.280But we'll just keep it simple and I'll kind of explain it a little better.
00:45:32.280 -->
00:45:36.452So there's a philosopher, uh, jewish philosopher, philo you ever heard of him?
00:45:36.452 -->
00:45:54.213Yes, so philo actually does an entire like breakdown of genesis, just flat out, at around the same time contemporary with jesus, and he talks about each line like he does, like paragraph after paragraph, on each individual line of genesis.
00:45:54.213 -->
00:45:55.516Wow, just literally.
00:45:55.516 -->
00:46:06.668And he talks about how it's clear that when they're talking in Genesis 315, they're talking about the woman it has to be.
00:46:06.668 -->
00:46:22.476And he also states that the leading belief of at least Jewish philosophy at the time is that the intelligence, or like the brain, is a male thing and the emotion, or like the feeling, is a female thing.
00:46:22.476 -->
00:46:29.673So when you get into this ambiguous, I have no comment on that but but?
00:46:29.833 -->
00:46:40.447but when you get into this androgynous pronoun, if you're describing female intelligence and you you don't want to describe the intelligence as male, you would use an androgynous pronoun.
00:46:40.447 -->
00:46:49.768That could mean either Okay, so the intelligence of the woman is what crushes the snake's head, so the decision, whereas if they had meant male, they would have used a.
00:46:50.440 -->
00:46:51.684Why wouldn't they just say he?
00:46:52.067 -->
00:46:52.307Right.
00:46:52.307 -->
00:47:21.389So the leading philosopher of one of the leading philosophers, I mean he actually went to the Roman emperor and defended Judaismaism against the romans, just basically killing all the jews after the temple fell I believe that's the timeline, um and he, him and josephus both had to defend this, and so when he writes this entire analysis of genesis, it's like this guy was well respected because he was keeping the danger away from the various diaspora of the Jews.
00:47:21.389 -->
00:47:27.360You know what I mean, or diaspora, whatever the right pronunciation of the word is, anyway.
00:47:27.360 -->
00:47:34.192So if you were going to say it's a man, you would just say a male pronoun, just flat out.
00:47:34.192 -->
00:47:34.833You would just do.
00:47:34.833 -->
00:47:35.954That Makes sense.
00:47:35.954 -->
00:47:41.632And the same type of Hebrew scholars were consulted when Jerome puts together the original Vulgate.
00:47:41.632 -->
00:47:44.208So I don't believe copyist error.
00:47:44.208 -->
00:47:44.902Why would you?
00:47:44.902 -->
00:47:47.489Why would anyone accept that?
00:47:48.280 -->
00:47:50.222And with the Vulgate, with Jerome.
00:47:50.222 -->
00:48:00.036It should be noted that, jerome, he didn't use the actual Septuagint for the translation of the Old Testament.
00:48:00.036 -->
00:48:04.067Use the, the actual septuagint, for the translation of the old testament he used.
00:48:04.067 -->
00:48:09.322You know, he used the septuagint for, like, the numbering of the psalms and yeah, and you know, the, the um the dude we're available, we're available.
00:48:09.362 -->
00:48:12.510He had hebrew scriptures wherever right, anytime he available.
00:48:12.510 -->
00:48:19.034He, he went to the the hebrew manuscripts, so it's not like him saying she shall cross the head is just a copy and paste from the septuagint, because it's not.
00:48:19.034 -->
00:48:21.804He went and she shall cross the head is just a copy and paste from the septuagint, because it's not.
00:48:21.804 -->
00:48:36.632He went and learned the hebrew language so he could translate from the hebrew manuscripts which would make him somewhat of an expert on hebrew language especially when you're like 1600 years closer to the source than we are now.
00:48:36.672 -->
00:48:39.686Yeah, so I that's what I'm saying like I don't understand.
00:48:39.686 -->
00:48:40.387So I know the.
00:48:40.387 -->
00:48:40.969Actually it was funny.
00:48:40.969 -->
00:48:44.101Somebody said the reason we know it's he is because of the dead sea scroll.
00:48:44.101 -->
00:48:45.525So I was like, really, are you sure about that?
00:48:45.525 -->
00:49:04.007So I went and dug into it and and no fragment of the dead sea scrolls does it contain a pronoun associated with who's crushing the head none it's almost like people just make stuff up I know I'm like, I'm like, well, you gave me your evidence and I went and checked and it's not there.
00:49:04.929 -->
00:49:06.030You know, that's a source.
00:49:06.030 -->
00:49:07.141I'm gonna check the source.
00:49:07.242 -->
00:49:18.543That's, that's just how I am that's one of the reasons why I think we're seeing um, at the very least, like online protestantism kind of like just failing miserably and collapsing lately.
00:49:18.543 -->
00:49:22.965It's it's because, like I mean, it started with, like google and search engines.
00:49:22.965 -->
00:49:31.192You know you could search these claims that were being made against the church and you might have to click on a few different web pages to to get an idea.
00:49:31.192 -->
00:49:48.442But, like now, with as as much as I'm against ai in certain cases, like being able to type some of these things into an ai, like rockk or chat, gpt and just having it go through 30 web pages and spit out and just say like unequivocally, like no, this was literally just made up.
00:49:48.601 -->
00:49:57.987It's like all all these, all these lies that are just being told, they just they don't work anymore um, I actually I believe.
00:49:58.007 -->
00:49:59.050So I just want to correct this.
00:49:59.050 -->
00:50:01.782A lot of misconception around the word it shall crush.
00:50:01.782 -->
00:50:06.791It is not the correct translation.
00:50:06.791 -->
00:50:15.940As far as I understand it, the correct translation would be you shall crush thy head, if you were to just do a straight Hebrew to English.
00:50:15.940 -->
00:50:23.762But if you're looking contextually it to be the woman and that's what philo says he actually calls it a barbarism.
00:50:23.762 -->
00:50:31.344That barbarism like, like a barbarism of the language, like how could you say he there?
00:50:31.344 -->
00:50:35.141He called like he's like I've got the book in my room, I can go get it later if we want to get into that.
00:50:35.141 -->
00:50:42.530But he literally calls it a barbarism of language to call it to if you were to say like he instead of she, which is kind of funny.
00:50:43.231 -->
00:50:43.552Okay.
00:50:44.853 -->
00:50:52.291But long, long story short, everything he points to leads me to believe flat out it has to be she.
00:50:52.291 -->
00:50:58.148And he points that way and I think, if I remember correctly, the original text of Josephus even says it that way.
00:50:58.148 -->
00:51:06.009I'd have to go back and find it, but I'm 90% sure he says it and I do know because I just brushed up on it again.
00:51:06.009 -->
00:51:12.369There's a video by a really good channel, which I'm not sure if you've ever watched it, but it is called I Miss Christendom.
00:51:13.103 -->
00:51:13.978Okay, I haven't heard of it.
00:51:13.978 -->
00:51:17.630He did an entire video on she Shall Crush Thy Head and it's very good.
00:51:21.739 -->
00:51:44.007I'll have to look into that because it's I mean, it's an area where I've heard both claims, obviously, but the the side that claims she it, you know, is like the traditional side I'm more just in tune with, so I just I've never felt the need to look into it because, like, okay, that makes sense I only actually started looking into it because, uh, my father-in-law feels very strongly about it, so him and I have talked about it quite a bit.
00:51:45.382 -->
00:51:47.389He's got a very strong Catholic faith too.
00:51:47.389 -->
00:51:49.105Okay, so he is a Catholic.
00:51:49.105 -->
00:51:52.288Yes, oh yeah, very much so Does he agree with you?
00:51:52.288 -->
00:51:53.880Yes, absolutely.
00:51:53.880 -->
00:52:00.753Him and I are on the same page, sometimes for different reasons, but we're on the same page for most of the things we talk about.
00:52:00.753 -->
00:52:01.842So nice.
00:52:01.842 -->
00:52:05.820I really appreciate and respect him and if he ever listens to this podcast, shout out to you.
00:52:05.840 -->
00:52:13.269You're really awesome yeah, my family members aren't allowed to listen to my podcast I have a great relationship with my of my father-in-law.
00:52:13.289 -->
00:52:16.302He's really really good, really good person, especially in the catholic faith.
00:52:16.302 -->
00:52:17.346He's really good with that stuff.
00:52:17.346 -->
00:52:23.945So anyway, um, the other one that always gets me and I always look for this is isaiah.
00:52:23.945 -->
00:52:30.664When he talks about, uh, the virgin shell, and in some cases they'll say, like a young maiden, you're a maid.
00:52:30.664 -->
00:52:32.730Yeah, I think that's nox.
00:52:32.730 -->
00:52:37.409Nox was the first one that did the young maid, unless it was in the king james, and I just didn't know it.
00:52:37.550 -->
00:52:39.061I think it was in the king james.
00:52:39.061 -->
00:52:40.608Let me Give me just a minute.
00:52:40.608 -->
00:52:47.253Here I'm going to pull up actually a book kind of on the subject by Tim Flanders from Meaning a Catholic.
00:52:47.253 -->
00:52:55.809So he has a book called Introduction to the Holy Bible for Traditional Catholics and, lo and behold, it pulls up right to the page I need.
00:52:55.809 -->
00:52:58.027Is that the page I use it for most?
00:52:58.027 -->
00:53:03.643So he actually let's see here oh, do you mind if I share my screen?
00:53:03.704 -->
00:53:06.054actually, go ahead absolutely hopefully.
00:53:06.396 -->
00:53:15.474I don't think tim would mind me sharing his book verbatim here um does somebody ask if the chats are combined?
00:53:15.853 -->
00:53:17.061they are in fact combined.
00:53:17.181 -->
00:53:23.393I see all the chats they're combined for what you and I can see, but I think they are in their own separate chats.
00:53:23.753 -->
00:53:28.951Oh, yeah, so I can pull them up here, but anybody who's pulling them up from the other side.
00:53:28.951 -->
00:53:30.052Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
00:53:30.052 -->
00:53:32.666Yeah, so the chats are not combined.
00:53:32.666 -->
00:53:34.648So if you're in Rob's chat you're not seeing anybody in my chat.
00:53:41.039 -->
00:53:43.846But to be fair, I haven't seen anybody in my chat in a while, so they're probably mostly in rob's chat.
00:53:43.846 -->
00:53:44.608So notice the little um this.
00:53:44.608 -->
00:53:45.811No one will see this, but you and I.
00:53:45.831 -->
00:53:59.907But notice, like the little symbol yeah yeah, that's for everyone from from my side yeah, hey, we're at uh 69 subscribers on crash canon, so if you happen to like this podcast, please subscribe.
00:54:00.829 -->
00:54:06.405Guys, if you're seeing this on Avoiding Babylon, that's only because Chris allowed me to stream it over there.
00:54:06.405 -->
00:54:11.802This is actually being done on his channel on Crash Cannon, so go over to his page and subscribe.
00:54:12.224 -->
00:54:13.068I'll drop a link.
00:54:13.068 -->
00:54:14.625Does the link work?
00:54:14.625 -->
00:54:16.659I'll drop it on your site if I can do that.
00:54:16.900 -->
00:54:18.530Put it in the private chat and I can drop it on your side.
00:54:18.530 -->
00:54:20.840If I can, um, put it in the private chat and okay, and I can drop it on my side if you can't.
00:54:21.501 -->
00:54:28.842Actually, you guys made me a moderator, I'm pretty sure yeah, I did I think, yeah, I might be able to drop it myself.
00:54:28.842 -->
00:54:29.224We'll see.
00:54:29.224 -->
00:54:32.112If not, then I'll just put in the private chat.
00:54:32.112 -->
00:54:47.280Oh good, you even put the thumbnail up with jill rogan being astonished at your uh, your brilliance I had no idea why you had a minute, but I'm like I'll go with it because it makes the thumbnail.
00:54:49.867 -->
00:54:53.615It really doesn't it yeah, you know, thumbnails are one of those things.
00:54:53.615 -->
00:54:59.248I I have a fun time making them, but people can that's not what I wanted keep going.
00:54:59.268 -->
00:55:01.360I'm sorry I I dropped the live stream in there.
00:55:01.380 -->
00:55:10.009I don't want them to leave your live stream, but uh, people have a people have a hard time like even understanding what you're saying when you're even just speaking clearly.
00:55:10.009 -->
00:55:20.005So when you put up a thumbnail to try to either drive home a point or something, there's so much room for interpretation that they almost always take it the wrong way, like Like today.
00:55:20.005 -->
00:55:29.108I posted a clip from our members only show last week where we're discussing like just how like social media personalities can clash.
00:55:29.108 -->
00:55:41.103Right, it's even in the Catholic sphere and it's just kind of a general conversation about that and some different examples that we, we we've noticed on, you know, just publicly.
00:55:41.103 -->
00:55:54.827So I, I, so I label it like catholic social media personalities clash and I put six images of six different catholic media guys on the thumbnail and just put yeah, I saw that in between them.
00:55:55.349 -->
00:56:01.521I'm thinking well, people will see the title and they'll see the thumbnail and they'll listen to the discussion and they'll.
00:56:01.521 -->
00:56:02.242They'll.
00:56:02.242 -->
00:56:08.393You know, we're obviously just talking in generalities about how personalities can clash due to like temperaments and things like that.
00:56:08.860 -->
00:56:17.371And no, everyone thought I was attacking Father Mike Schmitz personally, I mean you put him on a thumbnail and it's not like a happy go, lucky thumbnail.
00:56:17.371 -->
00:56:19.487Everybody just assumes you're attacking Father Mike Schmitz.
00:56:19.748 -->
00:56:20.369It's like guys.
00:56:20.369 -->
00:56:24.210These are just the six most recent photos I've used in other thumbnails.
00:56:24.351 -->
00:56:32.367Come on, I think even I asked you when you guys were like the missed shot he had on Fox news or whatever the Anthony had you put together.
00:56:32.367 -->
00:56:33.951Yes, how many of the?
00:56:33.951 -->
00:56:45.916Okay, wait, let me ask you this question, since we're here right now about this, this question, since we're here right now about this, this exact discussion yeah, the thumbnails that are created does anthony feed you what he wants or do you come up with them on your own?
00:56:46.157 -->
00:56:57.349so usually the the morning of a broadcast, I'll message him when I wake up, because he's a hour ahead of me and works construction, so he's always awake, uh right whenever I wake up.
00:56:57.869 -->
00:57:00.740So I I text him when I wake up and I'm like what are your thoughts on tonight?
00:57:00.740 -->
00:57:09.228Because he'll usually have an idea of like at least the main topic we want to talk about, you know, due to whatever he's seen in the media or whatever's going on.
00:57:09.228 -->
00:57:19.405And then, based on that main topic that he thinks he wants to talk about, I'll be like, okay, well, what kind of like, how do we want to wear that in the title?
00:57:19.405 -->
00:57:21.090And we'll come up with a good title together.
00:57:21.090 -->
00:57:32.101And then from there, with kind of the subject in mind, with the title in mind, I'll come up with the thumbnail and like shoot it over to him and see what he thinks.
00:57:32.101 -->
00:57:37.161And you know, sometimes he'll be like, oh, let's use this word on the thumbnail instead of this word, or something like that.
00:57:37.762 -->
00:57:48.230And then, once we're both happy with it, with the thumbnail and the title, then I'll create the actual stream that uses both.
00:57:48.230 -->
00:57:49.735Yeah see, when it came to thumbnails on my old show, it was a one-man thing, I.
00:57:49.735 -->
00:57:52.824I did all the thumbnails and my co-host had no no say in it whatsoever.
00:57:52.905 -->
00:57:59.224Okay I, I like, I like him coming up with the general idea no, that would have been nice.
00:57:59.224 -->
00:58:02.032I never had that yeah, I do like it.
00:58:02.032 -->
00:58:11.280There are times where I will I come up with it and we'll agree and we'll put it out and then, like 20 minutes before the show starts, he's like no, I think we should, we should change it or do it this way.
00:58:11.280 -->
00:58:21.032I'm like one we have 20 minutes and you like come on and the and this.
00:58:21.172 -->
00:58:26.126This tends to happen with you guys, and then the video has nothing to do with the thumbnail well, and that's the thing.
00:58:26.166 -->
00:58:28.632Like he'll find a topic that is better.
00:58:28.632 -->
00:58:32.891But it will be like 20 minutes before and he'll ask me can you get a new title?
00:58:32.911 -->
00:58:44.050thumbnail up, it's like no, I'm like driving home from work, you know so you're like I can change the title when I stop, but I can't change the thumbnail right the thumbnail took me half an hour.
00:58:44.472 -->
00:58:46.820It's not gonna happen, people don't know this.
00:58:46.862 -->
00:58:48.326Thumbnails take a long time.
00:58:48.907 -->
00:58:54.443It does, it doesn't it's not quick, I take, I take all every shortcut I can I do.
00:58:54.443 -->
00:58:57.909I I try to use the same images I've used in the past.
00:58:57.909 -->
00:58:58.610Same, just general layout.
00:58:58.610 -->
00:58:58.972You know I use.
00:58:58.972 -->
00:59:01.175I try because I don't have all this time, because I'm doing it on like my break.
00:59:01.175 -->
00:59:03.300I try to use the same images that I've used in the past same, just general layout.
00:59:03.300 -->
00:59:12.425You know I use because I don't have all this time, because I'm doing it on like my break at work or in the morning before I go to work.
00:59:12.425 -->
00:59:12.947You know things like that.
00:59:12.947 -->
00:59:18.418If I had, if I was doing this eight hours a day, I that'd be really cool because I could actually make like really creative thumbnails every time.
00:59:18.922 -->
00:59:30.121But the thumbnail, thumbnail, the thumbnail game is like so crucial to youtube because, like, if the thumbnail doesn't pop, nobody's going to click on it.
00:59:30.121 -->
00:59:37.813It's just, I mean, unless they know your channel and they, like they, read titles, but that is a small right of your audience, exactly because.
00:59:37.913 -->
00:59:47.512So the title, like you said, the title is good for those who are searching for your channel and you know the title will be what catches their eye on whatever subject they want to hear.
00:59:47.512 -->
00:59:55.460But for anyone who's not like specifically looking through your channel, the, the title is just whatever they search for on YouTube.
00:59:55.460 -->
00:59:58.893The title is going to be what allows that video to appear in the results.
00:59:58.893 -->
01:00:03.148But when they're looking in the results, but when they're looking through the results, they're not looking at the titles.
01:00:03.148 -->
01:00:06.144It's going to be their thumbnail, your thumbnail, that catches their eye.
01:00:06.144 -->
01:00:19.626So, yeah, today I used six images of different Catholic media guys and put verse in between them, because that's going to catch someone's eye enough to where they'll then read the title, realize it is something they want to listen to and click on, you know.
01:00:21.389 -->
01:00:35.639Yeah, I mean it really is just one of the key aspects to getting your channel looked at, and you also want to have some kind of branding that's not like so ridiculous that it shows up.
01:00:35.639 -->
01:00:36.702Branding can be good and bad.
01:00:36.702 -->
01:00:38.431If you have bad branding, it's going to hurt your thumbnails.
01:00:38.559 -->
01:01:01.541If you have good branding, it can help people to find similar things and queue them up for later yeah, because eventually they'll just get a feeling for what your thumbnails are and then they can literally pick your videos out of a list just by glancing at the thumbnails absolutely, and um shout out to uh, somebody like joe heschmeyer's thumbnails those are always popping.
01:01:02.222 -->
01:01:02.885He's got some good ones.
01:01:02.885 -->
01:01:04.550Have you seen the latest ones he's had?
01:01:04.590 -->
01:01:20.054they're really good yeah, yeah, they are good it's what it's one of you can like, your, your, your thumbnails are good and like um, tim gordon actually makes really good thumbnails too, and it's like, I know, like it takes my thumbnail.
01:01:20.054 -->
01:01:23.204It takes me 30 to 45 minutes to make a thumbnail.
01:01:23.204 -->
01:01:27.532Looking at his, it's like that took hours, you know.
01:01:27.532 -->
01:01:30.844It's like, oh I, I wish I had hours to do that.
01:01:30.844 -->
01:01:32.668What program do you use?
01:01:32.668 -->
01:01:35.414I just use, like, adobe express.
01:01:35.414 -->
01:01:38.786Like, which is just one of their free offerings.
01:01:38.786 -->
01:01:46.617Um, I have subscriptions to all the more complicated stuff, but, like for what I'm doing in the thumbnail, express it just.
01:01:46.918 -->
01:01:54.793It offers everything I need to do it quickly so my thumbnails are made in paint 3d okay, yeah, see, you don't need.
01:01:55.240 -->
01:01:57.967You don't need something complicated, not for basic, basic ones.
01:01:58.027 -->
01:01:59.530Anyways, I do.
01:01:59.530 -->
01:02:05.250In fact, for the first two years I was podcasting, all my thumbnails were done in old school paint.
01:02:05.250 -->
01:02:07.840Oh really, yes, nice.
01:02:07.840 -->
01:02:10.871And then at some point somebody was like, have you tried out paint 3d?
01:02:10.871 -->
01:02:12.143And I was like no, what's that?
01:02:12.143 -->
01:02:13.507And I I typed it in.
01:02:13.507 -->
01:02:14.891I was like Whoa, this is cool.
01:02:16.460 -->
01:02:22.085See, I like I like Adobe express express because it does interface with like all their other programs.
01:02:22.085 -->
01:02:28.769So whatever I've made in like in other adobe products, I can easily pull into there or like.
01:02:29.170 -->
01:02:43.945If I want a stock image from like adobe stock it, it pulls in very quickly and easy through there so if you had somebody like put you in a room and said, all right, you have to compliment anthony, what would be your biggest compliment?
01:02:43.945 -->
01:02:51.500Both if somebody said this is for the survival of your family and if they didn't say this is for the survival which one would?
01:02:51.500 -->
01:02:52.923What would be your compliment?
01:02:53.565 -->
01:02:59.905he is the like the most honest and genuine person I've ever met.
01:02:59.905 -->
01:03:03.028You always know what you're getting with Anthony.
01:03:03.028 -->
01:03:05.351You always know where you stand in.
01:03:05.351 -->
01:03:28.708Like he, he wears his heart on on a sleeve and, yeah, sometimes that's not always the best thing, right, but but he's just such a genuine guy and when he, when he says that he's got your back, or when he you know when he says, when he says anything, you know you can, you know you can trust him.
01:03:29.280 -->
01:04:20.219Like, you know he really, truly means it and I just know that, like, like when I decided to ask him to be my, my newest son's godfather this upcoming summer, like I know, beyond the shadow of adult something, if something happens to me and or my wife, like Anthony will make sure, like my son is raised Catholic, no matter what, and like it will be you know he will take it deadly seriously and he, like I said, he's just the most genuine guy I've ever met yeah, the godparent thing, that it's funny that you bring that up, because and and I appreciate saying that about him, because he seems very cool from the few times I've talked to him but uh as as do you, um, obviously you're here talking to me, so you're pretty cool, guy, um, but the people don't take the godparent thing seriously.
01:04:21.663 -->
01:04:30.876Like my wife and I've had to scrounge for people that actually take the faith seriously to get to get, and we've had five kids, so it's like godparents five times now.
01:04:30.876 -->
01:04:39.753It's like my goodness, um, and we ran out of like siblings that practice the faith and yeah, you know, it's when we had our first.
01:04:39.974 -->
01:04:49.150We, uh, when he was born, um, we had just been, I had just been kind of back in the church for a few months.
01:04:49.150 -->
01:05:00.391At that point, um, my wife was in the middle of rcia, um, and my wife was before she um kind of non-denominational Baptist sort of thing.
01:05:01.414 -->
01:05:02.175That was a big change.
01:05:03.076 -->
01:05:03.356It was.
01:05:03.356 -->
01:05:04.605It was a very big change.
01:05:04.605 -->
01:05:12.914She was actually confirmed and brought into the church about a month after our first son's baptism.
01:05:12.914 -->
01:05:40.846But so when we had our first son, we were kind of we kind of allowed ourselves to be pressured into like having my brother be the Godfather and like I love my brother, he's a good guy but he doesn't practice the faith you know, and like I don't want to say that I regret that choice because I hope I can get him back to the church, to where he would then really be like a faithful Godfather.
01:05:40.846 -->
01:05:45.621But in a way I do regret that choice now, at least at this point.
01:05:45.914 -->
01:05:51.563So it is definitely something that we've it's not that you think your brother was a flat out bad choice.
01:05:51.563 -->
01:05:55.184Is that you think that there were other faithful people that could have been chosen?
01:05:55.184 -->
01:05:56.737Is that what you're saying?
01:05:58.784 -->
01:06:08.346Well, and the thing is at that point like almost not really really, because we didn't, we didn't know too many other like faithful catholics at at that time.
01:06:08.346 -->
01:06:13.559Um, they were there I don't know so.
01:06:13.679 -->
01:06:20.561So really it sounds like in that scenario he was a good choice he wasn't the worst.
01:06:20.903 -->
01:06:21.547You know what I mean.
01:06:21.547 -->
01:06:31.440Like and like I said, maybe maybe my first son, you know my oldest, who is his godson, maybe he can be what brings my brother back to the church at some point, something like that.
01:06:31.440 -->
01:06:40.105But I just wish we had been, we had just taken it a little bit more seriously and at least had that perspective more.
01:06:40.105 -->
01:06:48.326How long ago was this, so our oldest is six, so it was he was born 2019.
01:06:48.326 -->
01:06:52.567So this was the spring, you know, basically a year before COVID.
01:06:53.815 -->
01:06:58.650So you started coming back into your faith around 2018, 2019 timeframe.
01:06:58.650 -->
01:07:00.014End of 2018.
01:07:00.014 -->
01:07:02.543Yeah, Amazing, they're on 29 2018 2019.
01:07:02.563 -->
01:07:03.509Time frame end of 2018.
01:07:03.509 -->
01:07:20.487Yeah, amazing, yeah, once we you know, when we realized that, that you know my wife was pregnant and that we were going to have a kid, it's what finally, like, forced me to kick off kind of my spiritual laziness that I'd been in for a decade at that point so, but you still got.
01:07:20.809 -->
01:07:23.318If I remember correctly, you got married in the faith, though correct?
01:07:23.318 -->
01:07:26.144Oh, you did not oh, you got it blessed.
01:07:26.144 -->
01:07:28.376Later on, I assume, got a yeah what we've?
01:07:29.119 -->
01:07:34.596we forced the rcia program my wife was into to convalidate the marriage because they weren't going to.
01:07:34.596 -->
01:07:36.458Oh my gosh, that's terrible.
01:07:36.458 -->
01:07:37.480Yeah, the number.
01:07:37.480 -->
01:07:43.889It was like like the week before the right of election, right that's crazy.
01:07:48.338 -->
01:07:58.148A few weeks before the actual confirmation and stuff, in the middle of RCAIA class, they're telling us what it's all going to look like, how it's all going to go.
01:07:58.148 -->
01:08:08.795You know, like the nuts and bolts of the, the litter, the liturgy, and at some point I'm like, uh, so when, at what point do you can validate the marriages?
01:08:08.795 -->
01:08:11.378They're like what do you mean?
01:08:11.637 -->
01:08:17.164I'm like, well, was this a very novice, ordo rcia.
01:08:18.046 -->
01:08:24.797This parish had liturgical dancers Alright Yep.
01:08:24.797 -->
01:08:30.662The stations of the cross they did were scriptural stations of the cross which do not match the traditional stations of the cross.
01:08:31.595 -->
01:08:33.256Notice the face I make when you say that.
01:08:33.256 -->
01:08:34.904I'm like, oh no Right.
01:08:36.820 -->
01:08:39.304It was the most modernist.
01:08:39.304 -->
01:08:47.170It was um the most modern.
01:08:47.210 -->
01:08:48.493I have to say something about that.
01:08:48.493 -->
01:08:49.715I'm sorry, let me interrupt you real quick.
01:08:49.715 -->
01:09:00.457I had a guy at a bowling alley in the area I have lived in my entire life come up to me, ask if he could take his picture with me, and I was like why he's like?
01:09:00.457 -->
01:09:02.003Well, obviously, seth, everybody wants to take his picture with me.
01:09:02.003 -->
01:09:05.442And I was like why he's like well, obviously, seth, everybody wants to take a picture with you.
01:09:05.442 -->
01:09:07.451And I was like my name's not seth.
01:09:07.451 -->
01:09:08.735Oh, I didn't actually say that.
01:09:08.735 -->
01:09:10.381I was like you're not fine, just let him take the picture.
01:09:10.381 -->
01:09:18.145And I found out later on he posted that selfie on twitter and I found it years ago, but he's his account since been deleted.
01:09:18.145 -->
01:09:40.146It said my selfie with seth rogan and, if I remember correctly, seth rogan said that's not me really, yeah, no way, yeah, it's just like, it's like the greatest thing that ever happened to me.
01:09:40.207 -->
01:09:45.304And you know I didn't even look kind of a little bit and I had hair on my head at the time.
01:09:45.304 -->
01:09:46.025So there's that.
01:09:46.126 -->
01:09:55.141But I was gonna say kind of, the way you're dressed now kind of gives that vibe in a sense degree yeah, this is my disguise for podcasting, so nobody recognizes me in the real world.
01:09:55.904 -->
01:09:57.167Oh man, I should do that.
01:09:57.167 -->
01:09:58.256It works.
01:09:58.256 -->
01:10:00.219I mean, I say so much stuff that can get me in trouble.
01:10:00.219 -->
01:10:07.027I've had people that thought, when I said I podcasted, that the podcast wasn't mine.
01:10:07.027 -->
01:10:07.847They're like, well, where are you?
01:10:07.847 -->
01:10:09.909And I was like really.
01:10:12.176 -->
01:10:14.001You don't Okay.
01:10:14.001 -->
01:10:16.345You pull off your glasses and they're like, oh, it is you.
01:10:16.345 -->
01:10:17.648And it's like, yes, I'm Clark Kent.
01:10:17.648 -->
01:10:18.655Yeah.
01:10:18.796 -->
01:10:22.145Anyway, yeah, you, and it's like yes, I'm clark kent, yeah, anyway, yeah, so like it does work.
01:10:22.145 -->
01:10:31.351Tim pool said that I took it for like sure, let's try it, and literally it does work I should wear a cowboy hat and sunglasses on the podcast from now on put a sombrero on.
01:10:31.351 -->
01:10:38.481Yeah, with the little tassels hanging down all the way around it.
01:10:38.481 -->
01:10:42.286Yeah, it's just like catch.
01:10:42.286 -->
01:10:44.108Yeah, literally.
01:10:44.108 -->
01:10:55.881I have been mistaken in public as like, literally seth rogan, not like a lookalike, like they thought I was him oh man and you know if I, if I have enough drinks in my system, my laugh starts to sound like his a little bit.
01:10:57.163 -->
01:10:58.167So that might have been part of it.
01:10:58.167 -->
01:11:05.220But all right, you were saying something, you pulled this up, and then I rudely interrupted no, it's okay.
01:11:05.621 -->
01:11:12.942So you were talking about with, like uh, the virgin verse, young maid, so, uh, I can I make this bigger for people?
01:11:12.942 -->
01:11:14.966Oh, what did I?
01:11:15.006 -->
01:11:26.489do that's a michael scott joke if I've ever heard one so so this compares the translation of different verses between versions.
01:11:26.489 -->
01:11:28.159Oh yes, I've seen it.
01:11:28.175 -->
01:11:42.243The traditional Dewey Reams on the left I wouldn't worry about the New Vulgate you have the King James kind of in the middle, the Knox next to it, and then you have the Catholic Masoretic on the right, the RSV, and then the New American Bible.
01:11:42.243 -->
01:11:58.454So if we're talking about Isaiah, you know chapter 7, verse 14, you have basically virgin, virgin, virgin, and it doesn't get changed to well, so made it gets changed to made in Knox.
01:11:58.614 -->
01:12:21.485But actually I have the Knox Bible and he has a note in the bottom that says clearly the maid would be a virgin well, yeah, so so knox is doing this in like elizabeth well, not elizabethan, but in like victorian english right yeah, yeah, yeah and made in victorian english meant virgin, like you know, so it still is even at that point meant virgin the RSV.
01:12:21.725 -->
01:12:33.244I guess the first edition was Young Woman, but in the second edition in 2006, they corrected it but, like the New American Bible says, young Woman.
01:12:34.614 -->
01:12:42.988The Young American, the Young American, the Young American, the New American Bible is my least favorite Bible to read.
01:12:43.488 -->
01:12:44.288It is flat out.
01:12:44.288 -->
01:12:49.904Yeah, it is the most Protestant so-called Catholic Bible there is.
01:12:50.707 -->
01:12:51.507Actually, that's funny.
01:12:51.507 -->
01:12:54.563What's even funnier is the Nova Vulgata.
01:12:54.563 -->
01:12:59.382The new Vulgate actually goes back to a lot of the old stuff and puts it.
01:12:59.382 -->
01:13:01.166Puts it back to the way it was.
01:13:01.166 -->
01:13:03.658Do you know why the vulgate new vulgate was necessary?
01:13:06.003 -->
01:13:13.980If you heard of the pious the 12th salter, yes, that was pretty much why it was necessary to fix the vulgate.
01:13:13.980 -->
01:13:37.154Okay, it was optional, but then it became in force and print, like all the publishers, like, well, we got this new salter, so make more money by printing a new vulgate with the new salter in it and in order to convince publishers to move back to the, the new, the vulgate as it was, and then also make some minor corrections here and there, because there are some corrections that good or bad they're there.
01:13:37.154 -->
01:13:42.467Um, they actually went back to almost identical to the Gallic Insulter and the Nova Vulgata.
01:13:42.467 -->
01:13:53.185When you look at the Nova Vulgata, it's better than most of your 1960s printed breviaries that had the P Insulter and the 1950s Bibles that had the P Insulter.
01:13:53.185 -->
01:13:55.637It's just not.
01:13:55.637 -->
01:14:00.068It's a bad chanting version of the Psalms.
01:14:00.068 -->
01:14:01.679So they're like well nobody likes.
01:14:01.738 -->
01:14:04.646This Makes sense.
01:14:04.646 -->
01:14:10.782So yeah, when they printed the noble Vulgata, they're like, well, we want it to be chanted, we want to be able to do that again.
01:14:10.782 -->
01:14:14.865And so they put it back, basically to the Gallic Insulter.
01:14:14.865 -->
01:14:16.100It's almost identical.
01:14:16.100 -->
01:14:20.765There's a few words that changed, but not enough that they can't chant it anymore.
01:14:22.448 -->
01:14:22.708Okay.
01:14:23.154 -->
01:14:28.701I have friends that are really into music ministry Right, they know what they're talking about.
01:14:28.701 -->
01:14:31.524I ask them was this basically a restoration of the Gala Consultor?
01:14:31.524 -->
01:14:33.041And he's like yeah, it basically does.
01:14:33.041 -->
01:14:37.925So as much as people hate new things, the Nova Vulgata.
01:14:37.925 -->
01:14:39.408The new Vulgate is not bad.
01:14:39.715 -->
01:14:42.921The nova vulgata the new vulgate is not bad.
01:14:42.921 -->
01:14:44.923I was gonna say it much of much of.
01:14:44.923 -->
01:14:45.805I mean much.
01:14:45.805 -->
01:14:49.617It shows here that most of it does match, like the dewey reams.
01:14:50.259 -->
01:14:55.479It does, it absolutely does, and if you know a little bit of latin you know you can tell which things are right which things are wrong.
01:14:55.479 -->
01:15:01.752Yeah, um, the other thing that's interesting about the uh volgate.
01:15:01.752 -->
01:15:04.979So have you ever heard of a website called churchlatincom?
01:15:04.979 -->
01:15:06.864Yeah, I've heard of it.
01:15:06.864 -->
01:15:08.047I haven't explored it much.
01:15:08.047 -->
01:15:11.115He reprinted the 1899 volgate.
01:15:11.115 -->
01:15:16.957I'm very interested to compare it with the nova volgata and see how many things I can find that are different.
01:15:19.462 -->
01:15:20.506He's like a one-man show.
01:15:20.506 -->
01:15:23.051He does really good stuff on his church latin.
01:15:23.051 -->
01:15:25.104If you're ever interested, just shout out to him.
01:15:25.104 -->
01:15:34.797If you're interested in like old latin textbooks or like how to pray some of the older breviaries out there, his stuff has some great resources and it's not expensive.
01:15:34.797 -->
01:15:38.730The vulgate gets up there when you buy the leather bound version.
01:15:38.730 -->
01:15:39.958Yeah, the paperbacks like I think 30 or 40 bucks, the hardback is like 60.
01:15:39.958 -->
01:15:40.679And then the full leather Vulgate gets up there when you buy the leather-bound version.
01:15:40.679 -->
01:15:41.849Yeah, the paperback's like I think $30 or $40.
01:15:41.849 -->
01:15:44.533The hardback is like $60.
01:15:44.533 -->
01:15:48.746Okay, and then the full leather-bound is $100.
01:15:48.746 -->
01:15:49.127What did you say?
01:15:49.615 -->
01:15:50.217ChurchLatincom.
01:15:50.217 -->
01:15:51.443You said ChurchLatincom.
01:15:51.475 -->
01:15:53.122I can pull it up real quick if you guys want to see it.
01:15:53.895 -->
01:15:55.117Yeah, I've never looked at his stuff.
01:15:58.483 -->
01:16:02.088He's got charging a lot of money, so he's not making a lot of money doing it.
01:16:02.088 -->
01:16:10.640He just really likes it providing that resource for people and he spent years fixing the facsimile that was out there.
01:16:10.640 -->
01:16:11.662No, I take it back.
01:16:11.662 -->
01:16:14.246He had it scanned himself and then he fixed it.
01:16:14.246 -->
01:16:16.368Ha, it's already up.
01:16:16.368 -->
01:16:16.908There we go.
01:16:16.908 -->
01:16:18.850That's it and it's in stock right now.
01:16:25.295 -->
01:16:26.238If you want an old Vulgate, that's where to go.
01:16:26.238 -->
01:16:26.779Let me grab it right now.
01:16:26.779 -->
01:16:27.240I grabbed one.
01:16:27.240 -->
01:16:27.983I've got one in my house right now.
01:16:28.002 -->
01:16:30.671I've been digging through it just to see All right, let me pull this up, select window or screen.
01:16:30.671 -->
01:16:36.943There it is Allow, there it is All right.
01:16:36.943 -->
01:16:41.047This is the church latin website.
01:16:41.047 -->
01:16:41.868Is it gonna?
01:16:41.868 -->
01:16:42.128Let me?
01:16:42.128 -->
01:16:43.050I gotta pull yours off.
01:16:43.050 -->
01:16:45.559Hold on, there we go.
01:16:45.559 -->
01:16:47.682This is it?
01:16:49.226 -->
01:16:50.189So it looks really nice.
01:16:50.189 -->
01:16:54.921It actually matches pretty closely with the quality of like what um baronius puts out.
01:16:54.921 -->
01:16:59.113But it's really, it's really and it's got the extra stuff.
01:16:59.113 -->
01:17:07.220So like it's got the prayer, manasseh, the third and fourth, fourth, ezra and the bell and the dragon and Daniel, which is in the.
01:17:07.220 -->
01:17:09.563I think the baronius do reams has that in there too.
01:17:09.563 -->
01:17:17.659But most of the Orthodox extra books are in there, like if you go to an Orthodox study Bible, they have the prayer of Manasseh.
01:17:17.659 -->
01:17:22.055They got three, four Ezra.
01:17:22.055 -->
01:17:24.341Uh, they got psalm 151, which I always joke around.
01:17:24.341 -->
01:17:26.104It's the cardia 151 psalm.
01:17:26.104 -->
01:17:26.164Um.
01:17:26.164 -->
01:17:27.868But yeah, that's, that's the kind of stuff.
01:17:27.868 -->
01:17:32.463So, uh, but yeah, I agree with you.
01:17:32.463 -->
01:17:42.349It is funny to look back at these translations and you know which ones came from the masoretics, because most of the Protestant translations came from the Masoretics.
01:17:43.314 -->
01:18:05.195Yeah, and it's just ridiculous that the Bible that is approved for liturgical use in the US copies the Protestant Bibles in almost every way, like Luke 1.28, full of grace is, you know well, except king james or the new american bible.
01:18:05.195 -->
01:18:21.626We're both, you know, highly favored, or favored one, you know, and then, instead of then, like acts, where you know decrees are decreed, no decisions were reached the uh, the best one is.
01:18:22.065 -->
01:18:32.826On a church nearby me they actually had the king james uh version where it's like uh and goodwill towards men, instead of and and uh.
01:18:32.826 -->
01:18:33.226What is it?
01:18:33.226 -->
01:18:34.777What is it supposed to be?
01:18:34.777 -->
01:18:41.158It's uh, men of goodwill, but it was goodwill towards men, which is the way the king james writes it.
01:18:41.158 -->
01:18:50.099They took care of it when they got a new paint job up, but everybody that knew that quote uh, knew it was the king james quote, not the correct catholic quote.
01:18:51.100 -->
01:18:56.670Oh man I also like, uh, the new american bible, john 1 4.
01:18:56.670 -->
01:19:09.487In every other translation it's light of men, except in the new american where it's light of the human race because because, of course, men or man doesn't mean mankind, obviously.
01:19:10.748 -->
01:19:10.988It's like.
01:19:10.988 -->
01:19:17.561It's like, uh, trudeau, coming at me like people kind, and it's like do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
01:19:17.561 -->
01:19:24.591I probably just lost my entire Canadian audience, but that's okay.
01:19:24.591 -->
01:19:27.521Got banned by Canadian YouTube.
01:19:27.521 -->
01:19:29.659Anyway, they actually know it's Carney.
01:19:29.659 -->
01:19:30.917Now they got a Carney in charge.
01:19:32.179 -->
01:19:34.622Yes, they do, don't they?
01:19:37.166 -->
01:19:39.630Oh man, all right, let's see here.
01:19:39.630 -->
01:19:42.256There was something else I was going to ask you.
01:19:42.256 -->
01:19:46.659Oh, so back to before.
01:19:46.659 -->
01:19:48.761I interrupted you like three times to switch subjects.
01:19:48.761 -->
01:19:50.643I have ADHD, hardcore, apparently.
01:19:50.643 -->
01:19:56.627What do you think works the best about you and Anthony with avoiding Babylon?
01:19:58.167 -->
01:19:58.769I think it's.
01:19:58.769 -->
01:20:02.471We are very different, but in a in a very complimentary way.
01:20:02.471 -->
01:20:07.261Um, you know, we are the almost the exact opposite.
01:20:07.261 -->
01:20:09.667We are the exact opposite temperamentally.
01:20:09.667 -->
01:20:18.055He's a sanguine choleric and I'm a phlegmatic melancholic, so we are literally like the exact opposites.
01:20:18.958 -->
01:20:20.722Um, where do you take the test to find that out?
01:20:25.556 -->
01:20:25.957Temperamentquizcom.
01:20:25.978 -->
01:20:26.439I think, is what it is.
01:20:26.439 -->
01:20:28.204Don't want to show after I'm going to take the quiz.
01:20:28.204 -->
01:20:28.766No, I'm just kidding.
01:20:32.377 -->
01:20:33.139No, you should.
01:20:33.139 -->
01:20:35.221So temperamentquizcom was written by.
01:20:35.221 -->
01:20:38.769Oh, come on, I should know this.
01:20:41.900 -->
01:20:42.543We interviewed them.
01:20:42.543 -->
01:20:43.065Is it a?
01:20:43.086 -->
01:21:08.207say art and art and lorraine bennett, um, they are two catholic authors that have done a lot of study into temperaments, um, and they do a great job showing, like the history of temperaments, how, like the you know, the ancient greeks kind of um, discussed and studied them a lot, and then you have, you know, um, the, the catholic scholastics, doing the same.
01:21:08.207 -->
01:21:19.144So it's a very traditionally like catholic sort of way of looking at um, I don't want to say necessarily psychology, but you know, at least a catholic way of looking at personalities and things like that.
01:21:19.144 -->
01:21:23.341So I think, anthony, I work well because we compliment each other.
01:21:23.341 -->
01:21:38.765You know where he's, the, the brash outgoing one that will pester someone to come on our show until they do, and I'm then, I'm the, the, the one who's then, you know, like apologetic towards that person, like I'm so sorry.
01:21:41.414 -->
01:21:42.537Anthony's bothered you for the last six months.
01:21:42.537 -->
01:21:43.359It's your pinned twitter comment.
01:21:43.380 -->
01:22:05.150I once again I'm apologizing for anthony or something like that, whatever it is but at the same time he's, he's, um, he's pushed me a lot, you know, to grow in that sort of area, where now I feel a lot more comfortable talking on camera, um, whereas beforehand I never would have ever thought I'd be comfortable with it, um.
01:22:05.150 -->
01:22:12.840So we, we both push each other, you know, and we both have never had an issue calling each other out, you know, when we feel like we need to.
01:22:12.840 -->
01:22:26.015You know whether it's for things that we've tweeted, and I don't want it to make it seem like Anthony's the only one who gets called out when he tweets Cause cause.
01:22:26.036 -->
01:22:29.467We both do that um with each other, um so you had that uh, you had that backlash for your Carlo Acutis tweet.
01:22:29.488 -->
01:22:30.993Yeah, so you want to know what the subject is for.
01:22:31.012 -->
01:22:42.671You want to know what the subject is for tomorrow's show oh it's that uh article in the uh economist about carlo cutas, oh no yeah wait is it the one?
01:22:42.792 -->
01:22:48.413is it the one where I thought somebody posted a link and said maybe we should think harder before we canonize people?
01:22:48.453 -->
01:22:48.956is that was?
01:22:48.956 -->
01:22:51.322That was, um, I forget his name he's.
01:22:51.322 -->
01:22:58.405He's actually a priest here in minnesota, but he's, I think, backwards feet on twitter is his handle that's an interesting handle it is.
01:22:58.667 -->
01:23:04.686But yeah, he's a priest here in minnesota um that I usually disagree with on most things, but I do agree with him on this issue.
01:23:04.686 -->
01:23:29.596But yeah, he tweeted that article and the article spoiler alert more or less goes over how, like this, this journalist was looking into um carlo acutis, right, because it's look kind of the big name in the church today you know, yeah, yeah you wanted to look into him and what he found interesting is the more he looked like, the less he found um.
01:23:29.997 -->
01:23:37.395But he ended up finding like, uh, carlos, best friends from school and they had no idea the kid was religious.
01:23:37.395 -->
01:23:39.980Really, that's.
01:23:40.140 -->
01:23:48.747That's what this journalist is, yeah but now that doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't, because there's a lot of very quiet catholics out there.
01:23:48.766 -->
01:24:06.529Yeah yeah, I don't know very many publicly quiet saints, but but but anyways, that's what this journalist was saying and but the journals like like, the one person like really pushing for the canonization is Carlo's mother.
01:24:06.529 -->
01:24:20.069Anyways, it's an interesting article that we're going to discuss, but I did get a text message from Anthony today saying, rob, you might have been right about the thing the whole time.
01:24:20.069 -->
01:24:22.583Rob, I might, you might have been right about the thing the whole time.
01:24:22.604 -->
01:24:35.666I definitely think there's the waiting period for canonization, unless it's like obvious to everyone, like I think saint francis of assisi was like two years after he died he was already canonized.
01:24:35.666 -->
01:24:37.577Yeah, pies, the tenth was quick.
01:24:37.577 -->
01:24:40.900Yeah, unless it's very clear.
01:24:42.663 -->
01:24:45.327Yeah, it's got to be like martyrs.
01:24:45.327 -->
01:24:58.561I mean like legitimate martyrs I think we use that term way too widely these days but a legitimate martyrdom, I think, is one that the waiting period can be waived or should be waived for.
01:24:58.561 -->
01:25:03.162But other than that, I think it's just prudential to wait like if, if, if.
01:25:03.162 -->
01:25:05.305If they're in heaven, what's the rush?
01:25:06.186 -->
01:25:06.466right.
01:25:06.466 -->
01:25:12.163But like everybody's concerned about sheen's canonization taking so long and I'm like this isn't that long.
01:25:12.163 -->
01:25:13.648I mean jonah vark waited what?
01:25:13.648 -->
01:25:18.545500 years after she was like killed by bad clergy?
01:25:18.545 -->
01:25:26.237Yeah to be canonized I mean, I think that was actually during some of that upheaval we were talking about earlier is when she got canonized, like the twenties.
01:25:26.819 -->
01:25:29.786Yeah, I mean it was, it was a long time yeah.
01:25:30.487 -->
01:25:37.081So I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some kind of waiting period, unless it's like, unless, like like we said, unless it's completely obvious, completely obvious.
01:25:37.801 -->
01:25:48.591I think it in relation to Sheen, it's one of those things where the issue isn't so much like it taking a long time for him.
01:25:48.591 -->
01:25:56.546It's like if it's taking that long for him, why have others been canonized so quickly, like like Carlo, for instance.
01:25:56.546 -->
01:26:03.296Like, are we really saying like Carlo's holiness is so much more apparent than than fulton sheen's?
01:26:03.296 -->
01:26:09.757Like, has carlos impact on catholicism been that much greater and more obvious than fulton sheen's?
01:26:09.757 -->
01:26:17.774And I'm not saying there aren't necessarily issues with fulton sheen, because I think some of his stances about certain things towards the end of his life are suspect.
01:26:17.774 -->
01:26:19.637I think most likely it was.
01:26:19.637 -->
01:26:26.728He was just an old man becoming senile, um, yeah like have you seen the last interview he did?
01:26:26.868 -->
01:26:38.002I mean, he was still like he was with it the last one he did on tv yeah, I just think some of his positions regarding vatican liturgy yeah, the liturgy and stuff.
01:26:38.002 -->
01:26:42.194At the end like he certainly wasn't a lefebvre, let's put it that way.
01:26:42.215 -->
01:26:44.640Yeah, yeah, and not that everyone has to be.
01:26:44.640 -->
01:26:54.046I'm not saying he should not be canonized because of he also wasn't a panini or a boonini you can tell you're on twitter.
01:26:54.046 -->
01:26:58.078Yeah, archbishop, uh panama panini.
01:26:58.439 -->
01:27:02.355That's my favorite twitter handle ever, so shout out to whoever came up with that idea.
01:27:02.355 -->
01:27:06.123That's a hilarious twitter handle, panini boonini.
01:27:06.604 -->
01:27:14.895I think I pronounced it right this time you know, I mean there's that, but I'm not saying like his candidation should be stopped for that at all.
01:27:14.895 -->
01:27:27.368Uh, I like, I like, I'm saying I just I don't why rush Carlos in Delay Sheens Other than political reasons, which is what it really seems like.
01:27:28.336 -->
01:27:31.685I'm happy to answer this first, and then Rob can totally crap over whatever I say.
01:27:31.685 -->
01:27:44.663I actually think it entirely depends on who's at the head of the church, Because you have traditional priests who are not TLM priests, who are locked in because of Traditiones, Custodes.
01:27:44.663 -->
01:28:04.386I know plenty of young priests, especially in the area I live in, who are locked into doing Novus Ordo but would happily do the TLM if they were allowed and with them at the helm I have no issues with what they're doing with RCIA, provided that they selected the person doing the RCIA.
01:28:04.386 -->
01:28:06.314So that's another factor.
01:28:06.314 -->
01:28:16.890You could have a TLM parish where they have a Novus Ordo Mass, and then you have Betsy in her 70s doing RCIA, who was there before the parish went back to doing the TLM.
01:28:16.890 -->
01:28:22.815So it's all over the place doing the TLM.
01:28:22.815 -->
01:28:23.418So it's all over the place.
01:28:23.418 -->
01:28:28.195I wouldn't necessarily say that one is better than the other, but you're probably more likely to find a good RCA instructor in a TLM or in a more traditional parish.
01:28:30.078 -->
01:28:49.310I would say it's going to vary widely parish to parish, right, and a lot of it's going to be completely dependent on whoever's actually running that RCIA program, because you might have an incredible priest, but if he puts someone subpar in charge of the RCIA program, that's still going to suck.
01:28:49.310 -->
01:28:51.542Now, do good priests usually do that?
01:28:51.542 -->
01:28:52.305No, probably not.
01:28:52.305 -->
01:29:18.720But like, yeah, you got to be really careful, careful, and I I'll be honest, I have no experience with rca programs at traditional parishes because the, the one that my wife went through, was in the exact opposite of a tlm parish and the head of that rci program, you know, had, uh like, an extremely gay daughter they were, uh, openly supportive of in every way, including like, or gay marriage and things like that.
01:29:18.720 -->
01:29:21.547So it was the worst ICI program imaginable.
01:29:21.547 -->
01:29:27.067And after every single class I would sit down with my wife and basically say this is the.
01:29:27.067 -->
01:29:27.976You know, this is what.
01:29:27.976 -->
01:29:28.599Where they were wrong?
01:29:28.599 -->
01:29:29.483This is where they were wrong.
01:29:29.483 -->
01:29:30.398This is where they were wrong.
01:29:30.398 -->
01:29:33.841You know, this is the actual teaching, this is the actual teaching.
01:29:34.655 -->
01:29:35.940It's sad that you have to do that.
01:29:48.859 -->
01:30:02.921Right, and so we were literally there just to check the boxes, right, because I was literally having to unteach her everything that we were hearing in the class, probably specifically in, like your, your traditional orders, like the FSP and stuff.
01:30:02.921 -->
01:30:06.346But I can't say you're going to be a hundred percent safe there.
01:30:07.934 -->
01:30:15.279Yeah, and I would argue that an interview with whoever that catechist is would be a good idea before you enroll.
01:30:15.279 -->
01:30:19.641Yeah, because that could save you a lot of trouble.
01:30:19.641 -->
01:30:22.563Once you enroll, it's hard to say like, nah, I'm going to go enroll somewhere else.
01:30:22.563 -->
01:30:28.320In an ideal world like.
01:30:28.360 -->
01:30:33.369I think if you find a really, really good parishion priest, they won't even do an RCIA program.
01:30:33.369 -->
01:30:58.487They'll have some sort of like just adult catechesis class that anyone can be a part of and you know, they'll probably meet with you one-on-one and once they feel you're ready, then you'll be brought into the church at that point and probably not even necessarily as part as as part of the the, you know, easter vigil, um, yeah, I think if you find something like that, that's probably a sign that you are actually going to get very good catechesis.
01:30:58.487 -->
01:31:06.064Um, but not every parish has the resources you know to to do that one-on-one with every person interested in coming into the church.
01:31:06.126 -->
01:31:25.199So in many cases an actual rcia or ocia program is probably about the only option you have I will say this um, I think where the church is most broken on teaching people is the actual catechism itself, like for kids.
01:31:27.055 -->
01:31:27.661Like what do you?
01:31:27.661 -->
01:31:29.114I guess what do you mean.
01:31:29.976 -->
01:31:31.159For example, I have.
01:31:31.159 -->
01:31:31.940I have.
01:31:31.940 -->
01:31:41.765Every kid develops differently, right yeah, but the way the church runs right now, until you get to second grade, no first confession, no first communion.
01:31:41.765 -->
01:31:50.725I can tell you that my six-year-old can absolutely tell the difference between right and wrong and he knows 100.
01:31:51.787 -->
01:32:06.502So I I just don't see any reason to withhold first confession from some kid like that and that's where I I have a beef with that, and then on top that, at least when I went through catechism originally, because I guess most people call it a CCD at the time.
01:32:06.502 -->
01:32:11.484I don't know if they still do or not, but CCD is a specific program.
01:32:12.195 -->
01:32:13.923Okay, that's what I went through.
01:32:13.923 -->
01:32:19.024And at the end of it it was like, okay, you graduated, now you're a Catholic, decide what you want to do.
01:32:19.024 -->
01:32:25.280And it's like what, hold on, I would never tell my child to go.
01:32:25.280 -->
01:32:26.899Hey, it's up to you.
01:32:26.899 -->
01:32:28.779Now Just decide what you want to do.
01:32:28.779 -->
01:32:35.140An eighth grader doesn't know what to do and there's no continuing program.
01:32:35.140 -->
01:32:43.000So it's like, even if you wanted to go, in the area I live in, there was no such thing as Life Teen or anything like that, at least nothing that I knew about.
01:32:43.402 -->
01:32:43.743Lucky.
01:32:46.296 -->
01:32:47.880So like I couldn't even go to something like that.
01:32:48.159 -->
01:32:49.042We were forced to.
01:32:49.042 -->
01:32:50.606It wasn't Life Teen, it was NET.
01:32:50.606 -->
01:32:53.198But same idea, right, we were forced to Isn't that?
01:32:53.198 -->
01:32:53.837Catholic though.
01:32:53.837 -->
01:33:04.050Yes, okay, net is the National Evangelization Team, but it is specifically Catholic.
01:33:10.814 -->
01:33:12.796But yeah, we were forced to go to that once a month as part of confirmation prep.
01:33:12.796 -->
01:33:14.256Well, that was before you got confirmed.
01:33:14.256 -->
01:33:19.020Yes, and so was that something that would continue on after you were confirmed.
01:33:20.121 -->
01:33:28.525If you were a masochist and really wanted to, yeah, see, the only young Christian group in the area I lived in.
01:33:29.087 -->
01:33:32.889was that Young Life program, which is like a Baptist or something or other?
01:33:33.569 -->
01:33:34.390I don't know what it is.
01:33:34.390 -->
01:33:37.771It's big in the area we live in right now.
01:33:40.074 -->
01:33:40.657That was the only thing.
01:33:40.657 -->
01:33:46.322There was like three houses within a five-mile radius of my house growing up that all had their own meetups.
01:33:46.322 -->
01:33:50.626First off, why do you need three of them in a five-mile radius?
01:33:52.515 -->
01:33:55.185Because they all believe different things, like every Protestant, of course.
01:33:57.198 -->
01:33:59.064And secondly, why didn't we have anything?
01:33:59.064 -->
01:34:01.922Life team might be cringe in some ways.
01:34:01.922 -->
01:34:06.703I've heard it from lots of people like you're lucky to know life team, but I didn't have anything.
01:34:06.703 -->
01:34:08.207You're right.
01:34:08.335 -->
01:34:11.945The like, the need is there.
01:34:11.945 -->
01:34:14.762It just feels that he did in a very bad way.
01:34:14.762 -->
01:34:15.506You know what I mean.
01:34:15.506 -->
01:34:18.636But yeah, you're absolutely right, like the church is very bad at that.
01:34:18.636 -->
01:34:20.396Yeah, you're absolutely right, the church is very bad at that.
01:34:20.396 -->
01:34:31.105It's very bad at providing us a sense of community and continuing catechesis for teenagers and young adults.
01:34:31.265 -->
01:34:32.466It's really bad at it.
01:34:32.466 -->
01:34:39.733Actually, I think one of the best things that's come out in the last decade actually now it's been like 15 years was Troops of St George.
01:34:48.135 -->
01:34:52.006If you can find one of those, that's a great place to bring your sons at least I've talked with a few guys from our nearest tlm, parish, which is 100 miles away.
01:34:52.006 -->
01:35:11.358But, um, about starting, uh, troops of saint george in our area because, like, where I live is like the number one destination for boy scout uh, like groups in the country, the boundary waters, like we have, you know, probably 20 to 30 boy scout groups in the the area every weekend throughout the summer.
01:35:12.301 -->
01:35:21.926Um, so there was at least 15 where I grew up yeah, yeah, and like I don't know why, we wouldn't want to create a cath Catholic version of that here up in this area.
01:35:22.295 -->
01:35:23.860Especially since it's boys only right.
01:35:24.262 -->
01:35:24.422Yeah.
01:35:25.376 -->
01:35:29.846For the same reason that you end up losing all of the altar boys when you have boys and girls both doing it.
01:35:29.846 -->
01:35:34.546The scouts program is going to be dominated by girls in the next, if it isn't already.
01:35:34.546 -->
01:35:37.019It's going to be dominated by girls in the next few years.
01:35:38.121 -->
01:35:42.248Yeah, you'll find, I think you'll there'll be more and more offshoot.
01:35:42.248 -->
01:35:50.045You know offshoot kind of groups starting up specifically for, you know, boys, only to try to fix that.
01:35:51.921 -->
01:35:52.684But yeah, we've actually got.
01:35:52.684 -->
01:35:54.119We had one in the area.
01:35:54.119 -->
01:35:57.141It's kind of on a hiatus right now, but my son loves that.
01:35:57.141 -->
01:36:03.538I mean he was really enjoying it for the time that we were doing it and hopefully we'll get it back up and running here soon.
01:36:04.359 -->
01:36:05.501Yeah, it's one thing.
01:36:05.501 -->
01:36:05.720You know.
01:36:05.720 -->
01:36:09.664I love spending time outdoors with my boys.
01:36:09.664 -->
01:36:26.846I think it's a great way to teach skills that are inherently like masculine, you know, skills that are inherently virtuous in terms of just working hard and being in the outdoors, relying on yourself, things like that.
01:36:26.846 -->
01:36:35.595But I find being outside in the outdoors and in nature just provides so many good opportunities to teach kids, especially about the faith.
01:36:39.704 -->
01:36:40.326I guess I'll just ask this.
01:36:40.326 -->
01:36:41.349I'm going to put it in the private chat.
01:36:41.349 -->
01:36:44.681I'm assuming we probably need to cut this here soon.
01:36:44.681 -->
01:36:46.426I don't want to.
01:36:46.426 -->
01:36:49.104Unless you're still good, then I'm happy to keep talking.
01:36:49.104 -->
01:36:52.661I'm used to doing two hours I'm happy to keep going.
01:36:52.661 -->
01:36:53.323I don't have a problem.
01:36:53.323 -->
01:36:55.476I just want to make sure you don't have anywhere to be.
01:36:55.476 -->
01:36:55.818No, I don't.
01:36:55.837 -->
01:36:56.257So you're in charge.
01:36:56.257 -->
01:36:57.479All right, we I don't, so you're in charge.
01:36:57.979 -->
01:36:58.261All right.
01:36:58.261 -->
01:36:59.783Well, we'll go a little bit longer then.
01:36:59.783 -->
01:37:02.506All right, next question for you.
01:37:02.506 -->
01:37:06.631So you must have had some kind of a falling away at some point.
01:37:09.582 -->
01:37:10.744Was it eighth grade?
01:37:10.966 -->
01:37:11.487No, it was not Okay.
01:37:11.487 -->
01:37:13.277Freshman year of college.
01:37:13.277 -->
01:37:17.622Yeah, it seems like the two spots where you see the dips are eighth grade and freshman year of college.
01:37:17.823 -->
01:37:18.064No.
01:37:18.064 -->
01:37:27.042So I was very pious growing up and throughout high school I was an altar boy.
01:37:27.042 -->
01:37:27.802I was an altar boy.
01:37:27.802 -->
01:37:42.420We had a group called the Fatima Cadets which met for first Saturdays and prayed the rosary, had mass on Saturday mornings and then made rosaries after mass to bring to nursing homes, hospitals, things like that.
01:37:42.420 -->
01:37:52.926I did CCD, of course, but we had actually a really, really good CCD program run by two old school Benedictine nuns.
01:37:52.926 -->
01:37:54.127Oh, that's neat.
01:37:54.127 -->
01:37:56.382Who also ran the altar boy program.
01:37:57.734 -->
01:38:04.337Our parish was one of the first parishes to be granted an adult for the tlm back in the 80s.
01:38:04.337 -->
01:38:05.819Was it a diocesan?
01:38:05.819 -->
01:38:09.005It was it, yeah, it's, it's diocesan.
01:38:09.005 -->
01:38:12.478Um, but the parish was very like bifurcated.
01:38:12.478 -->
01:38:18.095You know, you were on the novus ordo side or you were on the tlm side, and, and never shall that you meet in between.
01:38:18.095 -->
01:38:19.537I was.
01:38:19.557 -->
01:38:25.442I was on the Novus Ordo side, but our priests and our nuns served both Right.
01:38:25.442 -->
01:38:32.726So you know, our priest was an old school German priest who was very traditional.
01:38:32.726 -->
01:38:37.711You know he did the, he did the Novus Ordo cause he had to do the Novus Ordo.
01:38:37.711 -->
01:38:43.998You know things like that, and this was the the nins in the early 2000s.
01:38:43.998 -->
01:38:47.485So there really was no such thing as a unicorn novus ordo at the time.
01:38:47.485 -->
01:38:53.470You know even the novus ordos he did, which were far better than even some I've seen today.
01:38:53.470 -->
01:38:58.060They were still versus populum, um, you know things like that.
01:38:58.060 -->
01:39:00.746But it was by no means like a clown mass.
01:39:00.746 -->
01:39:15.386He made sure of that and he was, you know, the diocese more or less forced the parish to have altar girls, but our priests and our nuns never let girls serve with boys.
01:39:15.386 -->
01:39:19.104The mass either had boy servers or girl servers.
01:39:19.104 -->
01:39:19.775Boy servers were more.
01:39:19.775 -->
01:39:20.960Did they let the girls do?
01:39:21.020 -->
01:39:21.400the TLMs no Okay.
01:39:21.421 -->
01:39:24.087The mass either had boy servers or girl servers.
01:39:24.087 -->
01:39:24.710Boy servers wore the trident.
01:39:24.710 -->
01:39:26.213Did they let the girls do the TLMs?
01:39:26.213 -->
01:39:27.436No, okay, they didn't even let boys do the TLMs.
01:39:27.436 -->
01:39:40.405It was always like the old men who were altar boys back in the day do the TLMs but like boys wore the traditional vestments for serving, girls wore just like a plain white alp a thing like that.
01:39:40.405 -->
01:39:43.497Yeah, girls wore the uh, just like a plain white alb thing like that.
01:39:43.518 -->
01:39:47.426The boys were given the, the cool liturgies like easter vigil, good friday, things like that.
01:39:47.426 -->
01:40:04.057Girls were given, like the saturday night, uh, anticipatory masses, okay, but so it was a good parish, as at least as good of a diocese of parishes you could get in the 90s and early 2000s, um, and like I said, I was, I was a, I was a pretty pious kid.
01:40:04.057 -->
01:40:11.399Um, you know, I was the, the kid that all the old ladies uh tried to push towards the priesthood, things like that.
01:40:11.399 -->
01:40:54.719Um, but uh, but kind of later on in throughout high school, you know, when we were being forced to go to these like life team sort of masses and being forced to do a Steubenville conference retreat for confirmation, like, I saw that different side of the church that more modernist, charismatic leaning sort of side of the church, that like that more modernist, um charismatic leaning sort of side of the church in those areas and it was such a departure from like the faith I was raised to you know um, where it's.
01:40:55.319 -->
01:40:58.125it's like how can these be compatible?
01:40:58.125 -->
01:41:07.625You're right, and I don't want to say like, how can these people like I'm not trying to say they weren't Catholic or anything like that- A lot of charismatics are strong in their faith.
01:41:07.664 -->
01:41:09.680I think they're just maybe a little misguided in some things.
01:41:11.099 -->
01:41:12.122It was so different.
01:41:12.122 -->
01:41:14.042Like you said, how can these be the same?
01:41:14.042 -->
01:41:42.904When people are bouncing beach balls, you know, along at a mass in a gym, you know, while our Lord is present on the altar, like how can you make me go to that and make me, you know, sit through that and also tell, like, tell me that everyone here believes that that's the literal God of the universe on the altar.
01:41:42.904 -->
01:41:47.627Like why should I take this stuff seriously if you're not going to take this seriously?
01:41:47.627 -->
01:42:03.396You know, and it's not that it caused me to lose belief, because at no point in my life have I ever not believed in like the dogmas of the faith, not believed in like the dogmas of the faith.
01:42:03.396 -->
01:42:11.221It was more like, okay, well, if every part of, like the hierarchical church doesn't have to take this stuff seriously and can, can do and live however they want, well, why can't I?
01:42:11.221 -->
01:42:13.206So the you know.
01:42:13.225 -->
01:42:28.243Then I go off to college and you know, and suddenly, like it's very easy to not go to church every Sunday, you know, it's very easy to not follow all the moral guidelines that you were raised and you find it very easy to rationalize.
01:42:28.243 -->
01:42:31.375Well, no one was, no one was taking this stuff seriously.
01:42:31.375 -->
01:42:36.180You know, while I was living at home, no, no one else in the church seemed to be.
01:42:36.180 -->
01:42:38.582Why do I have to take it seriously now?
01:42:38.582 -->
01:42:41.002You know I'll go and live how I want.
01:42:41.002 -->
01:42:46.445Why do I have to take it seriously now you know I'll go and live?
01:42:46.466 -->
01:42:48.149how I want, and at some later point I'll come back, you know, and it's very easy.
01:42:48.170 -->
01:42:48.771Like I said, yeah, I get that.
01:42:48.771 -->
01:42:49.854I never once believed like.
01:42:49.854 -->
01:43:03.007I always believed, like if I were to die at this moment, yeah, I might go to hell, but I'm 20, I'm invincible, I got 60 years, but that all changed.
01:43:03.007 -->
01:43:24.011That all changed the, you know, when I realized I was having a son, right, you know, like life like came screeching to a halt and I was like who cares if you have 60 years, still you're responsible for this little boy's soul, you know.
01:43:24.011 -->
01:43:49.908And it's like so, yeah, live how you want to, but you still have to provide an example for for him, you know, and even even at that point I realized like I'd been married for three, two, three years, at that point, outside of the church, but still I had a wife, and it's like that means I've been failing my wife for years, faith-wise.
01:43:49.908 -->
01:43:58.396Faith-wise, you know, because if I'm responsible for his soul, well then I'm responsible for her soul too, and I've done a really piss-poor.
01:43:58.436 -->
01:44:08.488Job up that family right I've done a really piss poor job up to this point, so that's how I came back, spent 12 years away.
01:44:08.488 -->
01:44:15.792I guess I'm not faith wise, but definitely action wise yeah, I pretty much was one of those.
01:44:16.153 -->
01:44:21.046As soon as my parents gave me a choice, I stopped going yeah like literally like so like eighth grade, I think.
01:44:21.095 -->
01:44:27.002I think it was probably more like ninth tenth grade, because my brother had to finish his catechism too, so it was probably like ninth or tenth grade.
01:44:27.002 -->
01:44:46.804But as soon as I had a choice I was done and then I went to school in Dearborn, michigan, okay, where you've got Chaldeans, muslims, you got a bunch of different indian religions like hinduism and other stuff like that.
01:44:46.804 -->
01:44:48.632There's like the buddhism, with some of the, the foreign immigrants for that.
01:44:48.693 -->
01:44:55.728Like this school has tons of people okay and one day I saw um and my wife was a big part of my conversion.
01:44:55.728 -->
01:44:57.117That's a totally different part of it.
01:44:57.117 -->
01:44:59.180But reversion not, not conversion.
01:44:59.180 -->
01:45:00.583I didn't convert Um.
01:45:02.487 -->
01:45:08.171Uh, I saw the, the Muslims, in in the root the bathroom, washing up, and I'm like what are you guys doing?
01:45:08.171 -->
01:45:17.143Cause like I mean, they're just washing like all the way up their arms and they're taking off their, their, their pants up, and they're rolling, cleaning their legs.
01:45:17.143 -->
01:45:19.557I'm like what the heck is going on in here?
01:45:19.557 -->
01:45:25.527And so then, as soon as I see, like how seriously they're taking their faith, I'm like, well, what the heck have I been doing, you know?
01:45:25.527 -->
01:45:31.887So I started like questioning things, um, and then I saw, uh, father john ricardo.
01:45:31.908 -->
01:45:32.935I went to one of his masses.
01:45:32.935 -->
01:45:37.606I don't know if you know who that is, it sounds familiar, but he's the x29 priest.
01:45:37.606 -->
01:45:40.967Uh, he does the rescue project, it's.
01:45:40.967 -->
01:45:42.373It's a pretty good program.
01:45:42.373 -->
01:45:44.057I don't know if you've ever heard of it, um.
01:45:44.057 -->
01:45:47.676Anyways, I saw one of his homilies and actually found it the other day.
01:45:47.676 -->
01:45:58.877He still got it hosted up on his website cause they would record it and put it on the radio quite a bit back when that was still pretty prevalent, um, but I went in frequently at that point so I was like, well, what the heck am I doing?
01:45:58.877 -->
01:46:01.682If these guys take their faith that seriously, what the heck am I doing?
01:46:01.682 -->
01:46:08.402And then, uh, then my wife and I got together and she takes it very seriously and so she's Catholic.
01:46:08.402 -->
01:46:12.336Yeah, oh yeah, yep Um, that my father-in-law's Catholic.
01:46:12.336 -->
01:46:13.577She's Catholic, their whole family.
01:46:13.577 -->
01:46:14.177That makes sense.
01:46:14.198 -->
01:46:22.025Yep Um, unlike, unlike my own dad, but that's a whole different baptized Catholic.
01:46:22.064 -->
01:46:38.460But ask him, the last time you went, that wasn't a wedding, a funeral or something important that my kids are doing, right, anyways.
01:46:38.460 -->
01:46:44.359So my conversion was through seeing kind of the extreme of the Muslim religion, and then my wife, and that's how I came back to the faith and I had a wedding and all the good stuff with that.
01:46:44.359 -->
01:46:46.603Okay, so that's the short version.
01:46:46.603 -->
01:46:53.224Maybe one of these days I can explain how seeing some of the interactions between chaldeans and muslims really helped.
01:46:53.364 -->
01:47:02.001I said some of it on my conversation with enoch, but that's a very long story as, yeah, with him, with his heritage, yeah, that would have been a good time for it.
01:47:02.001 -->
01:47:10.025I've never, actually I've never, told the full story, not even on our old channel, and I I don't know when or if I ever will.
01:47:10.295 -->
01:47:15.261but there's a lot more going on with that A little bit, just the detail.
01:47:15.301 -->
01:47:25.985that doesn't add much, you know, and it's like so everyone on our channel has heard anthony and all his numerous, numerous stories about his.
01:47:25.985 -->
01:47:27.451I heard the story about the car.
01:47:27.451 -->
01:47:30.639Okay, yeah, so that's about the wild, that that's the wildest one, right?
01:47:30.639 -->
01:47:35.036So when I told him my whole story, he's like, yeah, you might want to leave some of that out.
01:47:35.036 -->
01:47:42.484I'm like, oh, if you're saying that, okay, that's a good test.
01:47:42.744 -->
01:47:49.132That's a good test, exactly, oh, man, I had, I guess it just briefly.
01:47:49.132 -->
01:48:07.885I had a series of events that had they not happened exactly the way they happened, my wife and I would have never gotten together, and I can only think it was through some kind of intervention, divine or otherwise, that everything happened the way it did.
01:48:07.885 -->
01:48:14.583And so if I ever tell that story, I got to write it all down first because I'll forget something, and then I'll tell it again.
01:48:14.583 -->
01:48:23.984And some of you are like you, boomer, you forgot this, but it's a long and really I what.
01:48:23.984 -->
01:48:27.877The reason I lost my faith entirely was because of a bad relationship before my wife.
01:48:27.877 -->
01:48:31.163I mean, it completely destroyed anything I had.
01:48:31.224 -->
01:48:39.353So I I understand that, yeah, so all right, let me think if there's any other trivia I can ask you.
01:48:39.353 -->
01:48:40.456We had like 10 minutes left.
01:48:40.456 -->
01:48:43.515Nobody's putting trivia in the, even though they all threatened to Everybody's like.
01:48:43.515 -->
01:48:44.962We're going to put trivia in for Rob.
01:48:46.055 -->
01:48:48.484I mean, if anyone's got any other random questions for me.
01:48:49.854 -->
01:48:54.606Here's the book I was quoting from FYI Atonian Germany.
01:48:54.606 -->
01:48:59.024So that's one part of the quote a German quote.
01:49:00.655 -->
01:49:06.568If you can figure out where the Ottonian Germany, what period that was from, they'll get you pretty close.
01:49:06.568 -->
01:49:11.025And then if you figure out who wrote the book, I'm sure you can figure out who the quote is from.
01:49:11.025 -->
01:49:14.000Has anybody got any guesses?
01:49:14.000 -->
01:49:14.662Let's see.
01:49:14.662 -->
01:49:15.699I'll put that back up there again.
01:49:15.699 -->
01:49:23.354Nowadays the freedom to sin dominates everywhere into a degree that is not normal.
01:49:23.354 -->
01:49:29.143That's the opening part of the quote, and it came from a German Bishop.
01:49:31.868 -->
01:49:36.287I mean, imagine a Tony in Germany is speaking about like auto the great.
01:49:37.456 -->
01:49:39.524That's close to the timeframe.
01:49:39.524 -->
01:49:46.701A Tony in Germany goes through at least uh, five generations of of kings, actually emperors.
01:49:46.761 -->
01:49:59.020It goes into the holy roman emperor right at some point I mean, so you'd have the three autos and then probably henry one and henry the second I think it even talks about henry three for a brief Okay.
01:49:59.020 -->
01:50:02.368So who would write in that period?
01:50:05.077 -->
01:50:06.521It's not who you're suspecting.
01:50:06.521 -->
01:50:15.168I got this book specifically because my kids were interested in stories about saints with the same name as them.
01:50:15.168 -->
01:50:25.905Okay, and you know who's documented as one of the three Henrys right, the only Holy Roman Emperor during the Atonian Germany who is a saint.
01:50:28.359 -->
01:50:28.942Is that Henry II?
01:50:28.942 -->
01:50:29.243Henry II?
01:50:29.243 -->
01:50:32.399Yeah, yeah, okay, but it's not him.
01:50:32.954 -->
01:50:41.006It's not him, it's the bishop Henry's, not a bishop Is it just thinking about the Holy Roman Empire in that period?
01:50:41.074 -->
01:50:42.561is it like the Archbishop of Mainz?
01:50:43.855 -->
01:50:44.878No, but he's mentioned in there.
01:50:44.878 -->
01:50:52.646Yeah, half of this book is him complaining that his diocese has not been raised to the level of an Archbishop.
01:50:52.646 -->
01:51:08.126Rick again he's like and they promised I would get this, and then I love it when a book something's never changed right, like about something that has nothing to do with the story.
01:51:10.377 -->
01:51:27.346You know, one of the miracles he cites for for Henry too, and this is what they're looking for an adulterous priest and Henry raised, like, raises his sword, and the house with the adulterous priest and the woman literally just falls apart and they find that's one of the miracles of henry too.
01:51:28.055 -->
01:51:37.216just so you know that's so much more interesting than like oh, such and such had cancer and suddenly they don't.
01:51:37.216 -->
01:51:39.201This must be a miracle.
01:51:39.201 -->
01:51:42.849Yeah, not that that's bad, I don't want to make it look terrible.
01:51:44.056 -->
01:51:48.756It's hilarious that this guy just raises a sword or whatever it was.
01:51:48.936 -->
01:51:50.021It's just, the house collapses.
01:51:50.021 -->
01:51:51.381They find the adulterous priest.
01:51:51.381 -->
01:51:59.301It's like, oh my goodness, oh man, can you imagine being in that house and just falls apart?
01:51:59.301 -->
01:52:09.274Not that you would be in that house and like just falls apart, not that you would be in that house, but no, that's kind of one of the wildest things I've ever heard is being a quote-unquote miracle.
01:52:09.274 -->
01:52:12.060Like, yeah, that is funny.
01:52:12.060 -->
01:52:19.320Like I've got the um, I've got the hagiography of saint ever the confessor and he's got some super interesting stories too.
01:52:19.320 -->
01:52:22.287Huh, you know, hagiography is right.
01:52:22.287 -->
01:52:27.095It's like, yeah, golden legends, the same kind of yeah, yeah, I just choose to believe it because who cares?
01:52:28.398 -->
01:52:31.725thalassism was so much more interesting.
01:52:32.225 -->
01:52:38.296You know like like, I don't care if the george and the dragon was a giant crocodile.
01:52:38.296 -->
01:52:39.158I mean, he's a dragon.
01:52:39.158 -->
01:52:42.363He fought a freaking dragon and that's it, end of story.
01:52:42.363 -->
01:52:46.449Yep, you don't need to ruin it with this whole uh uh.
01:52:46.449 -->
01:52:47.697Who knows if dragons were?
01:52:47.697 -->
01:52:51.565No, no, he fought a freaking dragon it's, uh, an allegory for sin.
01:52:51.605 -->
01:52:57.703No, shut up, it's a dragon yeah, exactly, exactly, you get where I'm coming from here.
01:52:57.703 -->
01:53:03.965Yeah, um, okay, I will give it to you, since, uh, since I I was a little cruel with this one.
01:53:03.965 -->
01:53:15.762This is a very specific quote, but it's funny to me because a thousand years ago some dude said that, and I'm like imagine if this guy were alive today.
01:53:16.345 -->
01:53:22.743Yeah, can you imagine Henry II would raise his sword and whole cities would fall down?
01:53:23.206 -->
01:53:28.065Right, so it's the Chronicon of Fientmar of Merseburg.
01:53:29.036 -->
01:53:33.082Oh, of course, yeah, I was so close to getting bad.
01:53:33.675 -->
01:53:36.024I mean, mainz, is not you actually weren't that far off.
01:53:36.024 -->
01:53:37.801I mean, that's like not that far away.
01:53:37.801 -->
01:53:44.844I don't think, because this I don't think this has ever been restored to an actual let me see, mine is.
01:53:44.844 -->
01:53:49.771I don't think it's on his map anyway.
01:53:49.771 -->
01:53:52.016Yeah, so he was hoping the whole time.
01:53:52.016 -->
01:54:01.567He's like this is gonna get re-raised to an archer and they're gonna rebuild my church nope yeah, that whole diocese probably has 20 Catholics in it right now.
01:54:02.175 -->
01:54:02.777Probably.
01:54:02.777 -->
01:54:14.154I mean, and the time frame was around 1100, in case you were wondering, so ish, but he documents all of the autos, if you're ever interested.
01:54:14.154 -->
01:54:18.721This is a great book to learn about everything to do.
01:54:18.721 -->
01:54:24.543The early Roman Empire, the early Holy Roman Empire yes, uh, it's funny.
01:54:24.543 -->
01:54:58.539He actually just totally craps on duke henry the, the father of henry too, for like a whole section of the book, and then suddenly everything's okay and henry too, is the new emperor and everything's good and and we love henry, duke of bavaria or whatever, or whatever he was, and it's like, yeah, I don't buy that you know people will look at events and personalities today right in in terms of like politics and things like that, and and and they'll.
01:54:58.640 -->
01:55:06.904They'll think it's something new or unique to our period, you know, and it's like people have been like this forever.
01:55:06.904 -->
01:55:13.282You know, like you'll have some sycophant change there too, and from one president to the next or whatever.
01:55:13.282 -->
01:55:18.163It's like no people have been doing that literally forever literally forever.
01:55:18.184 -->
01:55:23.737All right, one more, one more deeper question for you.
01:55:23.737 -->
01:55:27.185Okay, do you think describing political factions the united states as right and left even makes sense?
01:55:28.327 -->
01:55:37.140no no, I mean I thought about this a lot lately I'm like, but the right was the monarchists yeah, it's twitter.
01:55:37.140 -->
01:55:52.756Twitter, especially, is so frustrating when you see people describe themselves as conservative, conservative and it's like no, no, 200 years ago, you, you, you would have been a raving liberal like they executed.
01:55:52.756 -->
01:55:56.024You know, like like no, you're not a conservative.
01:55:56.024 -->
01:56:03.637Like no, the daily wire is not conservative, they're not they're not progressive liberal, they're like classical liberal.
01:56:03.677 -->
01:56:10.323Right, yeah, they're about expansion of rights, but they're not right leaning, like really they're not right leaning no to.
01:56:10.703 -->
01:56:17.884To be conservative, you have to be wanting to conserve or, at this point, really restore christianity.
01:56:17.884 -->
01:56:18.985That's what.
01:56:18.985 -->
01:56:19.528That's what.
01:56:19.528 -->
01:56:22.534That's what conservatism is right.
01:56:22.534 -->
01:56:25.820Uh, it's conserving the old system of europe.
01:56:25.820 -->
01:56:28.506Um, the old, you know the old old.
01:56:28.506 -->
01:56:34.725When I say the old west, I'm not talking about, uh, about western movies, but you know what I mean.
01:56:34.765 -->
01:56:39.020Like it's conserving western civilization with my native american heritage.
01:56:39.020 -->
01:56:44.902Just kidding in, not kidding about the heritage, but kidding about being offended.
01:56:45.082 -->
01:56:51.405Yeah, contrary to popular belief in this country, western civilization didn't start in 1776.
01:56:51.405 -->
01:57:14.463It can be said almost to like, the end began in 1776 almost argue that is the beginning of liberalism yeah, I mean I would say more the english civil war probably was right, but um, but it was realized like the american revolution really is a second english civil war just happening over here on the continent, you know it's like.
01:57:14.564 -->
01:57:16.596It's like the english french revolution, practically.
01:57:16.596 -->
01:57:19.943Except because the king is across the sea, they don't kill him.
01:57:19.943 -->
01:57:23.876Yeah, I mean really that's that's it.
01:57:24.356 -->
01:57:25.899Yeah, it really is.
01:57:25.899 -->
01:57:29.385But, um, but yeah, so it.
01:57:29.385 -->
01:57:32.109I don't know right and left it.
01:57:32.109 -->
01:57:39.354It doesn't make any sense, but it's not like we're gonna change it, you know not until the whole system falls apart.
01:57:39.354 -->
01:57:46.306So it's one of those things I used to argue about on twitter all the time, like anytime I saw someone call themselves conservative.
01:57:46.306 -->
01:57:52.654I would I couldn't help myself but like comment like no, you're, you're really not, but it's just not worth it.
01:57:52.654 -->
01:57:55.801It's really we're not gonna win that fight.
01:57:55.801 -->
01:58:01.168But no, it's a completely inaccurate yeah, it, it is.
01:58:02.171 -->
01:58:07.199Yeah, I mean really, if the american revolution had happened in england, you would.
01:58:07.199 -->
01:58:08.502It would have been crazy.
01:58:10.244 -->
01:58:22.050You wouldn't have won, not with the numbers we had, but it would have been crazy yeah, I mean, the only reason we did win is because the French Well I was Good degree.
01:58:22.050 -->
01:58:36.029There was no way in which the island of Great Britain was going to enforce its will on a more populous continent halfway around the world.
01:58:36.029 -->
01:58:37.251Forever right.
01:58:37.895 -->
01:58:42.747Eventually, the population would have outpaced by a long shot right right.
01:58:42.926 -->
01:59:06.502So either the only way britain would have won would be if they had in a sense capitulated right to more of the demands and kind of acted in a conciliatory way, and maybe then we stay part of you know, maybe we'd be part of uh, the dominion or whatever it's called today Commonwealth Right, the Commonwealth of Nations or whatever.
01:59:06.502 -->
01:59:16.085Or if the founders had had less will and capitulated, you know, at some of the moments they almost did, when things were going bad.
01:59:16.085 -->
01:59:36.987But if they had held their will and just had to continue, even if the French hadn't arrived to blockade the English retreat at Yorktown, it could have gone on years longer, but there was no way in which Britain was going to end up really winning that long term.
01:59:38.295 -->
01:59:48.487I think the only way the English monarchs could have maintained any kind of control over america is if they had moved the monarchy to the new world.
01:59:48.487 -->
01:59:58.583Imagine if they would have established the kingdom of america and they would have ruled the isles from America.
02:00:00.386 -->
02:00:02.649So I think there's two possibilities there.
02:00:02.715 -->
02:01:07.023I think if they had given us representation in parliament right yeah, and done so in a representative, sort of like population-based method, eventually the American colonies in a a sense, would have had control over parliament, right, and then maybe, like you, said there would have been so many of parliamentary people from the from america, as opposed to to the monarchy, would have naturally wanted to move over here anyways potentially, yeah, so I could foresee that, or I could foresee them doing a sort of um, like dual kingdom, you know, uh, in a way, where you have america with its own sort of parliamentary or government sort of system, with you know george iii or whoever as the, the head of state, as king of america, and that you know that monarch is also just king of great britain as well.
02:01:07.583 -->
02:01:28.943You know sort of dual monarchy sort of way in which, similar to the hapsburg where you had, you know the hapsburg um, the head of the hapsburg family was emperor of austria, duke of austria, but was also king of Hungary and king of Bohemia and king of Croatia, and they were all separate kingdoms, just united under a single king.
02:01:28.943 -->
02:01:34.323Maybe something like that would have potentially worked in America.
02:01:35.416 -->
02:01:56.646Yeah, because, if I remember correctly, when the British controlled the various colonies and the various um, uh, whatever, whatever I call the conwalks, they had, they had um india, they had canada, to a degree, they had the americas, they had um the uh, would they have columbia?
02:01:56.707 -->
02:02:03.688they had columbia, right, well, I'm not so solid on the south african possessions.
02:02:03.688 -->
02:02:05.457They had jamaica, they had the bahamas.
02:02:05.457 -->
02:02:12.819They're the boars um right or they fought the borders well, they, they, they took control over the, the dutch colony.
02:02:12.819 -->
02:02:15.945Uh, but that was in the late 1800s.
02:02:15.945 -->
02:02:18.698Um, that was later, yeah anyways.
02:02:19.100 -->
02:02:39.840I would that suffice to say the bulk of the areas they controlled were military occupations or even, in a sense, corporate occupations like, yeah, india was the east india company, right, you know which was a british possession, but it's not like it was controlled by the british government.
02:02:40.320 -->
02:02:46.585It almost was like bigger than the british government in many ways it was yeah, yeah, which is a wild.
02:02:46.585 -->
02:02:47.447We should explore that.
02:02:47.447 -->
02:02:48.716So you, I'll have you back on.
02:02:48.716 -->
02:02:50.462We'll talk about the east india trading company.
02:02:50.462 -->
02:03:02.442That'd be a I'll have to do some research, but that would be fun, yeah it'd be a fun discussion, because corporate capture of of government is something that would be interesting to discuss, considering where we're at with.
02:03:02.442 -->
02:03:03.363America right now.
02:03:04.706 -->
02:03:05.006Yeah.
02:03:06.869 -->
02:03:07.069Yeah.
02:03:08.155 -->
02:03:11.405You know, in a way like the Chinese are kind of doing it with Africa right now.
02:03:11.405 -->
02:03:35.052Yeah, have such large interests in Africa and in many, many cases, almost like enslaved large number of Africans to, to, to produce you know minerals or you know resources for these state owned corporations.
02:03:36.135 -->
02:03:42.548Well, I mean, that's why it's so interesting that in Michigan they want to put in a Chinese-owned battery factory.
02:03:42.548 -->
02:03:46.320To me that's dangerous.
02:03:46.320 -->
02:03:47.425Yeah, that's not good.
02:03:47.425 -->
02:03:49.659That's not a good thing.
02:03:49.659 -->
02:03:50.703I agree with you.
02:03:50.703 -->
02:03:54.345I think any kind of foreign enterprise that large is bad.
02:03:54.345 -->
02:03:59.331So anyway, we did cross over our two hours.
02:03:59.331 -->
02:04:00.740Do you have any questions for me?
02:04:00.740 -->
02:04:11.636I don't think so.
02:04:11.636 -->
02:04:13.587I mean, I know I've been all over the place, so there's a lot of tidbits we could find in here.
02:04:13.606 -->
02:04:18.943That somebody, yeah, yeah, we could probably go another hour, but listen probably not good for either of us to do.
02:04:18.943 -->
02:04:20.206I'm was going to say it's got to be what?
02:04:20.206 -->
02:04:21.2471030 for you.
02:04:23.719 -->
02:04:27.648Well, I'm not an early sleeper, but yes.
02:04:27.747 -->
02:04:28.069I agree.
02:04:28.234 -->
02:04:37.729Eventually my brain will start to do one of these Crash and burn, but it's been fun having you on the road.
02:04:37.729 -->
02:04:38.192I really appreciate it.
02:04:38.192 -->
02:04:38.675Yeah, it's been good.
02:04:38.675 -->
02:04:43.827It's fun to hear you actually speaking without Anthony jumping in every five seconds.
02:04:44.435 -->
02:04:46.421Everyone is saying this is the most I've spoken.
02:04:47.323 -->
02:04:47.865Probably true.
02:04:47.865 -->
02:04:51.583Yeah, hopefully I didn't interrupt you too many times.
02:04:52.356 -->
02:04:53.381No way less than I'm used to.
02:04:56.475 -->
02:05:03.047I feel like the best way to handle these kinds of things is, when you ask a question, let them finish what they're saying before you ask the next question.
02:05:03.569 -->
02:05:03.809And it's.
02:05:03.809 -->
02:05:15.908It's something I need, especially as like a phlegmatic melancholic is like I need that time to to develop what I'm thinking and saying, whereas Anthony will just continue to go off.
02:05:15.908 -->
02:05:19.840Like you know, he's 10 words ahead of where his brain is at that point.
02:05:21.222 -->
02:05:22.704Apparently, this is the best stream ever.
02:05:22.704 -->
02:05:24.547Rob Let Anthony know that.
02:05:24.547 -->
02:05:32.997Yeah, we'll have to let him know that I hope you enjoyed your time here and I'd love to have you on again in the future, so keep that in mind.
02:05:33.219 -->
02:05:35.279Yeah, we'll have to do that and we'll have to have you on too.
02:05:35.279 -->
02:05:43.783I don't you might get Anthony might reach out to you to see if you would want to do a trivia on Thursday.
02:05:43.783 -->
02:05:45.904Maybe he already has, he has.
02:05:45.984 -->
02:05:47.765Okay, yes, he already has.
02:05:47.765 -->
02:05:52.208He was very cryptic about it at first because he's like are you available Thursday?
02:05:52.208 -->
02:05:56.890And I'm like, well, there's no time involved in what you just asked me, so probably.
02:05:57.832 -->
02:06:00.453There is a period of time in which I'm available sometime on Thursday.
02:06:00.453 -->
02:06:02.757Yes, ant, probably there is a period of time in which I'm available sometime on Thursday?
02:06:02.818 -->
02:06:03.979Yes, ant, probably, I don't know.
02:06:03.979 -->
02:06:06.623And then he comes back and says, oh, 8 o'clock.
02:06:06.623 -->
02:06:09.548It's like Anthony, it's the way he speaks.
02:06:09.548 -->
02:06:12.677Yes, it is.
02:06:12.677 -->
02:06:14.805Anyway, rob, I appreciate you being on here.
02:06:14.805 -->
02:06:19.145I'm going to roll the credits and then if you want to chat for a couple of minutes or if you want to jump off, either way is fine.
02:06:19.546 -->
02:06:31.623Okay so all right, as always, I'm Chris from crash cannon, and that was Rob, if you're subscribed to my podcast, one of the 60 or so that were subscribed to mine but somehow weren't subscribed to avoiding Babylon.
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02:06:43.588I appreciate that and we'll see you guys on the next one.
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02:06:47.909Bye and.
