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Think I'm getting a listening. Yeah, we're all here. Okay, so
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I'm pressing the button. So what
is going on? Everybody? Fourteenth times
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a charm? I heard, I
hit the button. Okay, things are
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moving now. It wasn't moving before. I don't know if I got it.
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You'll hear in the Patreon episode and
then everybody's here. But it's time
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to talk about fair sex with Sheep. And I'm oh, sorry, here's
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my nickel or what is it?
A quarter? I don't know what I'm
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yelling about, but we but you
know, let's just now that I'm all
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frezzing a corner word? No I
didn't, okay, but what about like
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ursa pornication? Does that like skirt
around the jar rules? So what are
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we here talking about tonight? Well, first of all, let's talk about
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who we have with us scene.
We have the l from the South,
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so we have the Choke show dress
Corps. Hey, guys, how's it
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going. We have ewakwakshy Hello friends, and we have hello keyboards community we're
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doing them all. We have our
resident PhD in grump doctor Sheep. Still
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I haven't learned anything. Still have
not learned anything, But it is time
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to go on ope watch once again. All of our gold materials now gone.
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I apologize that I'm not singing again. You did miss Sheep singing?
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Man, there was an ounce of
joy there? What was it on the
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eighth? Oh? No? So
today, if you're not following us on
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Twitter, make sure you're following us
on Twitter at our kids quarter. Today
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is day thirty two, nothing of
the forty two days we have given gg
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to review. So here's here's what
I'm fearful of because we don't quite getting
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to this. We got into their
their their crucible calendar, which is actually
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a seventy four system, but too
late. That joke's dead then what we're
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talking about? Yeah kill, Okay, I'm sorry. I'm a terrible person.
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So anyways, it's day four,
it's day thirty two to forty two,
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so in ten days we should get
OP news. Right, Christmas Eve,
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it is. It is Christmas Eve. That is right. That's exactly
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where I was going dressed you and
I think, like man, I did
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not recognize that until y'all said it, it would be it would literally be
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Christmas teah. Yeah, we're gonna
get both Jesus and OP News. That's
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sounds about right. Well, Number
one, it's Kisus. Oh, Kisus,
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sorry, Kisus. Oh. I
suppose we do get Kisus on the
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twenty fifth right, okay, yep, and then Kisus on the twenty sixth.
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M that's yep. Yeah, And
that joke just didn't land all right,
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but that would be that would actually
legitimately land us right on Christmas Eve?
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So over under his boys, are
we getting OP news on Christmas Eve?
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Over over means beyond? Is that
what you're saying? Yeah? Yeah,
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sheep? Would that be the ultimate
Christmas present for you? If we
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got OP news on Christmas Eve?
Uh, it would have to be pretty
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monumental news to make it worth that
day. Hey, guys, we don't
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have any information yet, but the
Key Forge Vault tour is we'll be making
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a return in twenty twenty four.
That sounds about right. Would that make
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you happy? At least? No, we already knew that, okay,
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So not only I have dates and
times, all of it's fake now that
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would you know if they came out
with an article that was like, here's
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you know, here's your twenty twenty
four Vault tour schedule. Here's here's a
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few US faults. Here's a f
you're a national vaults. Here's the dates,
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here's the locations that would be that'd
be pretty great. Would that make
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you happy? I would consider not
talking to you. We're talking to sheep
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right now. Okay, you're always
happy, You're always happy? But is
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he pretty much? We care about
you? DRez, Please know we do
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care about you, but we're trying
to make sheep happy right now. I
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think I would be satisfied. You'd
be satisfyble wow? So what what would
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make you happy? Though? Are
you recording this this time? Or I
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mean this is the fourteenth time the
one it's time to okay number two?
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It only took us four years to
learn how to back up record, and
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then we don't back up record.
But we haven't lost the algorithm yet at
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least couldn't get through the whole thing. We never Asking what happy is a
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much more complicated question than we can
cover in this cast. I mean,
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if you wanted a short episode,
this is not the way to do it,
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all right, So the only thing
that would actually probably make me happy
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is if they dropped a store level
op program that looked good and I don't
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have the answer what that is,
because if I did, I would have
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already fed it to them. You
have been blown up their email. Well,
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and then they would have done what
they traditionally knew, which is,
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go now we'll do some more Alliance. So as a whole, and everybody
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in the chat put it up and
put it up in the show chat going
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on? Right, there was Alliance
just a giant bust this year, And
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is there room for it to make
a comeback or is it is maybe something
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we should just leave in the dust. Come back would infer that it failed,
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which is a thing. It didn't
fail. It did not fail.
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Well, it depends on your measure, I think, right, I would
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say Alliance was kind of a big
failure. I would say it did not
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provide the It did not reach the
goals as stated right, it was still
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a format enjoyed by a certain group
of people that did only come to play
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that format. Now, that could
be true of any of the awful formats,
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like they could have run Adaptive as
the second format, and that could
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have also had four players showing up
to play it, and would have been
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exactly what I would have said,
which is like, yeah, some people
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will play this but nobody wants it, which is a lie. There are
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a few people who want it,
sure, I like, no, nobody
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wants it, at least I don't
know. At least the Lions is kind
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of like playing key Forge. We
got some people in the chat here who
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are fans, right, I think
that that's why the the measure is important,
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right if it's what CTP came on
various casts, not ours, but
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various casts and said, hey,
this is why we want to do Alliance.
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We think it's going to bring back
laps players that definitely did not do
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that. Did it grow the game? I don't think so. There.
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I mean it depends a game,
though, because I think the secondary market
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did get a big bump, and
yeah, sales just for decks that normally
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wouldn't have sold extend maybe to find
big because I don't think it got a
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big Well there was zero and then
there was some. Okay, I don't
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think it actually made so do you
guys know that? I, you know,
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most often buy cheap decks with something
silly in it that I want to
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mess around with. It actually made
that much harder to do because yeah,
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because like if it's got some cool
thing in one house that I want to
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mess with. Now it's like,
oh no, no, no, I'm
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not going to sell that for twenty
bucks because I'm going to try to get
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a hundred out of it for somebody
in an Alliance And I'm like, well,
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it's not worth one hundred bucks to
screw around to bring it to my
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local to try to do the one
thing right, whereas I would have paid
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twenty bucks to do it. Kirkman
says Alliance was a surprising was surprisingly a
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plus. Eric Waters says didn't fail, but wasn't as big as I bet
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they thought it'd be. I think, like I do agree, it is
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hitting like a different demographic and like
it's not bringing back, you know,
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old lapsed players, but it is
bringing in new players that are have an
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affinity towards the more constructive format.
What new players I mean, I know
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it's a hard number to quantify.
I couldn't tell you. Yeah, I
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don't. I don't think like that. That's just all going to be personal
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experience of like who you're talking to
in the community that maybe like I'm biased,
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right because I'm not an Alliance player, but I my sales pitch for
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the game at for folks at my
store, like you should play with us,
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like did not change, Like I
still stated, two folks, you
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cannot change your deck, Like that
was still a thing I said to people,
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because like I didn't want to be
like, well, mostly that's true,
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but there's other formats where that's not
true, and you can only change
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certain parts of the deck these pods, but you don't know what the pods
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are, so like I just didn't
get into any of that. I think
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the important statement is going from Joe
and a chat, Alliance created a lot
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of key Forge thought and discussion,
which is very good for the game.
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I will definitely give it that.
I think that is an extremely important part
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that we cannot undervalue. Yep,
it definitely makes better conversation than most of
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the other alternative formats. I see
Kirkman mentioning cheap AOA bringing in folks or
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at least on Reddit, like I've
seen that too. I don't know if
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that's for Alliance though, Like I
think A would be cheap one way or
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another. Right AOA it was.
I don't want to say it was,
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because it really wasn't. I mean, it ended up winning, right,
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but like it finally gave away a
chance to shine well, but is that
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only because it's the set they didn't
restricted death is the only thing you're not
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The combinations that do that kind of
power level just got restricted out of World's
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Glide and Coda immediately. Because my
biggest question me and Sheep talked about it,
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what if we had a world hypothetically, if we had a world where
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there was no restricted list And I'm
actually surprised Season one, Yeah called Arkan
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okay, but it's not like it
would be very different, like I'm now
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building an ARCon as opposed to like
I open an arkon, Like, what
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what are your guys' thoughts on an
alliance where there is no no restricted list
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and we just remember people see what
like you're going to see like a quad
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or like five Control of the Week
three Scrambler Storm just like stupid call the
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arc on Alliance where you just can't
play. Yeah, but that gets beat
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by a stupid it can't get beat
by all kinds of things. Still like
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that that. It's the the ot
K stuff closer to what Z won with,
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but even more broken, because you
can have a really really broken speed
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logos to make it happen a turn
even faster than it was true. Like,
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I think it's going to be the
kind of stuff where it's just like
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in three to four turns, I
in seventy five percent of the games I've
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set up, my I win the
game. Sit you you're either playing against
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somebody who's also doing that or they're
playing something that disrupts that, and then
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it I don't know, I think
it just gets more into the awfulness that
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is is magic, where it's you're
playing the you're playing the fast act,
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you're playing the deck that counters the
fast ac and then there's some sort of
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interesting things when those decks hit each
other, sort of interesting things because I
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I'm under kind of like this idea
of like a double I don't want to
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say double standard, but like this
double basis where it's either either it'll end
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up balancing it all, so it
balances itself out because you got degenerously playing
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degenerouscy so eventually one degenerate thing just
out degenerates the other thing. Yeah,
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but that never happened. Like nobody
really delivered a consistent solution for dealing with
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MG, and that's been winning all
season. Like Alliance, there are not
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enough major events and stuff going on
for a real huge alliance method to develop,
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responses to to be developed, and
responses to responses because there's just not
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enough events and enough players doing it. So it's slow. It's very slow.
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It's hard. It's really hard to
say how it pans out because it's
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kind of a slow development thing with
the size and the quantity of play going
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on. If we didn't have a
banon restricted list, do more people join
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or is it still the same kind
of small numbers. I think it comes
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back to why you don't play arc
on because it sort of becomes I don't
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know if it actually becomes worse,
but I think it feels like it's worse,
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like then there's going to be even
less. It's truly broken, Like
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I feel like there's this idea that
it would just be absolutely busted. But
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it's like, yeah, but find
something like that. Well, we'll jot
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in the chat, right he played
U Library Access plus United Action or Library
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Card plus United Action. Right then
it's just you're just playing everything. But
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but it isn't true because you have
to set that up. You have to
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have a card from every house and
play before that works. That doesn't just
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Hey, it's not just like two
cards in my hand. I've just won
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the game. That doesn't actually work
that way. There's some amount of counter
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it's super strong. But this is
the kind of stuff where I agree it's
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gonna be like you're either playing that
kind of deck where it's like on turn
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three I get infinite and it's pretty
consistent a doing it because I put together
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a deck that lays artifacts of all
the houses. Correct, but I can
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actually into a best of three now
because the games long. Well, but
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if it's degenerate, doesn't it move
faster? Because there's also degenerate lockdown is
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a very real thing where it's just
like you the I was KIV was kind
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of playing that in ARCon where it's
like once he's set up, every turn,
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I get to shatterstorm you and make
enough for my key, so it
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and has control stuff and it's just
like you're never going to do anything and
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I'm slowly going to grind my way
to victory. Like those are real decks.
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That stuff does exist. You will
see it and games can dike forever.
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Yeah, I can talk a little
bit about the forest. Yeah,
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I can talk a little bit about
library access United Action because I have I
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have a legacy that came out in
DT and before that restricted list was up,
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I mean, when everyone was trying
Wild West, that's immediately what I
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went to. And it was I
can say fun for myself for a little
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bit, but it wasn't fun to
be able to play against. And you
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can see that. And it quickly
went away because when I would have my
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LA like, the only thing that
would restrict it is if my LA was
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buried too deep or a UA like. I'm looking to be able to have
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both of them, and that would
be how I'd pushed to cycle a little
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bit faster. But the end result
is I can go ahead and once I
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have it set up, I'm infinite. You're just watching me play cards.
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And when I say play cards,
Wookie, I'm talking when it goes off,
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there's I'm going literally through every single
part. You're just sitting staring at
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it like there's nothing that you can
do. It's not I played I played
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you against it. And that's what
I just took the conceited button. We
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called it a day and we moved. We moved a game too, but
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not everyone is willing to do that, and that's where it causes an issue,
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I think. But then what would
watch you play that whole turn hope
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would you make a mistake? So
then I think the appeal to Alliance them
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though, Well, I think Alliance
is a format that lets you play the
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good stuff from your bad backs in
theory, right, because that that is
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a very like we We've talked about
it many times. There there's very few
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reasons or ways to play most of
what you own, especially with the way
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we enjoy the game, which is
kind of at the higher power level in
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general, and Alliance kind of lets
you do that because it lets you go
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like, hey, I got this. This could have been really cool if
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it didn't come with Brobner World's Glade
or Brobnar just about any set other than
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the New Ones, right, It
lets you slap that junk together. I
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mean there was nothing stopping you from
doing that to some extent before, except
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there was no official tournament. And
if there's no official support for it,
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that is not really a real thing, and then it becomes some weird thing
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people are doing on the side.
So without Gig's nudge supporting of it,
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it doesn't get supported. Although I
think it's been very clearly shown in this
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season, is that still most of
what you own is pointless, so alliance
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doesn't it? It does it fire
decks have some value than they did before,
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so it did add some decks back
to the playpool that otherwise would have
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just been you know, novelties in
your deck collection and you're like, look
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at how close I was too awesomeness. Ah, it does let those come
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out, but it doesn't really address
the amount of junk we still own.
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I think that's the really important aspect
that I've seen is top level alliance is
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very very good, but you're looking
at a select grouping of decks, and
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unfortunately it still leaves a mass,
large quantity of our collection that is still
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unusable. So the idea was great, Hey, I can use this.
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I think it's fun more in a
local play group setting. But if I'm
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looking at top level competitive alliance,
you're you're scouting for those decks, but
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it doesn't make it more playable cross
all of our decks. I wish there
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was something that was there. Of
the seven hundred and fifty decks I have,
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which have all been all except by
like top ten, or the few
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decks I actually enjoy, have all
been listed for sale at one point,
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I think I only ever moved to
that were for Alliance, and they certainly
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didn't show on alliances that were played
anywhere that I saw, So yeah,
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it's just yeah, the Alliance pod
things there are. I think that's the
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real I think that's the real trick
though, for gg what can you do
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with that ninety decks that we're purchasing? I think the like, well,
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I mean have the ultimate format on
what to do with decks. You play
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them, you get your fun out
of them, and then you don't own
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them anymore. So you don't go
back like, well, I still own
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it and I don't have something to
do with it. No, you're done
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with it. You have it has
reached its peak fun. Let it rest
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well and you are talking. Sealed
is a phenomenal way to play a deck
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and you get your use out of
it. So shredders a second option to
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reuse that deck. I get it. And honestly, for fifteen bucks,
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it's what a cost of movie is. It's not a bad, bad cost.
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No, that's that's our opinion.
Like, there are certainly people who
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you know, like, there are
people who are every deck is sacred.
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Yeah, they won't go ahead and
tread them. Jesus has blessed this deck
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himself. I'm sort of that way. Yeah, I mean, I'm to
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the point now I haven't done it
yet, but I'm going You're kind of
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like your good decks anymore. I
tread them things too. I don't well
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because because a good okay, a
good deck that is still unplayable little vault
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to her? Is it? I
mean, I get it? Is it
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still good? Yeah? This is
ah. There was another cast kind of
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trying to have an interesting conversation this
on how they're still value going with a
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medio and trying to do the best
you can with it and like value and
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fun in that and if that works
for you, great, But that's I
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mean, like the rest of us, at least most of the people on
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this show will have a little bit
more of a like yeah, no,
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that's that's uh. I mean,
but even I'm not a win even to
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that point with the two L O
system, like, okay, do that
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anymore? I can't. I can't
even. I can't even be like,
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let's see what kind of record I
can get with this A minus deck.
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I went on too. Now I'm
done. Now I can go. Now
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You're just like, can I get
one win before I'm out right, can
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I go too? And two?
I mean is that? I mean like
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that's just comes back to Eric is
the guy who makes the buttons. I
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took a bunch this year. Sorry
sorry. Mandatory participation, not managed,
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but automatic participation and second amber with
opt out right, So yeah, you're
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not in the main tournament, that
is fine, but it still just pairs
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you as it would gus people with
a similar record with you, and you
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can keep playing and fix the garbage
prizes over there and let people keep playing
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if they want, and if they
don't, it's not a big deal because
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they're not affecting the final standings of
the main event. But you can still
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definitely play and it just auto pairs. So if you don't go and hit
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the drop button, you don't even
really notice, right, So I know
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last week we talked a little bit
about deck ascension and kind of what was
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there here is can you bring basically
an anti deck, so your SaaS deck
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that you could really care less about. There's a side event and all of
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these go ahead and get basically gobbled
up, whether you call it shredder or
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they're being pushed off that you never
see them again. But there is some
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something that the player gets as a
result of participating in that event. Yeah,
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it used to be shards and then
I could take them to the prize
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wall. I'm just I'm just trying
to be able to say, like,
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if you have these decks, where
all right, well we went ahead and
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here was the Battle Royale. This
deck didn't make it. It's maybe even
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it being like the archon card is
then a part of the larger collective,
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part of the trophy or something instead
of Shredder. I would be willing to
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play pick slips, right, You're
gonna you're gonna have to bring three decks,
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right because you got three rounds to
play still, But then you're playing
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pink slips, and if you lose, you just hand your deck over.
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That would be an interesting like survival. Everybody everybody brings three everybody brings three
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decks, and then when you lose
a deck, you you are When you
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lose, you lose the deck,
and then you and so you're you're in
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until you have more decks, and
then I will throw your decks away for
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you so you feel less bad about
it. I actually like this format of
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pink Slips. I dig it.
I could get behind that the way I
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like to play it. Bring a
box of decks and play Pink Slips.
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If that's what if that's how I
have to lose my decks instead of shredding
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them, and it makes people better
feel a little better. I mean,
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any anything that gets my junk plate
a little bit more and then no longer
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in my possession. I'm four.
So the way I like it is when
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yeah, go okay, I was
gonna say, when you lose, you
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know, it's not like they get
all the decks that that you acquired along
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the way, just the deck that
you lost with, and any deck in
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your collection is one that you can
play and bring with you to the next
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match. I mean, it would
definitely be interesting because that seems like a
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reasonable part of the format. It
would eliminate I think that might eliminate some
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like high end decks from showing up. Certainly, I don't. I don't
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think she was bringing fraud to Pink
Slips. But I'm saying, if you
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can have this deck ascension that every
single deck that's in this Pink Slip event
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is gone, this should this should
be a vault to her format. But
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but see then you'll get the irrational
horder types like myself. Okay, but
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I don't want to lose the deck. So then just open three brand new
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decks for that day to play it. But what if they're good? Or
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ask sheep for three decks and I
will give you three decks if you want
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to keep them. Actually that they
wouldn't be mine, so that'd be okay
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because I'm weird like that. Yeah, I'm not weird like that. I'll
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lose your decks, I'll lose my
decks. I don't care. I like
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this format. This could be something
fun, but I think it takes.
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It's another side. It takes a
fairly I actually I am wondering if pink
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slips as a replacement to unchained,
But you could do it with just on
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chain decks whatever, but pink slips
being like just the side of it where
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it's like you just find people and
you're playing pink Slip matches throughout the day
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and you sort of probably at the
end, whoever's collected the most decks is
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your champion. Are all key forgers
hoarders? Well yes, and can't we
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have instead of those weird lean forge
people. I don't want attachment to anything,
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and they just purject will. I'm
so here's here's where I'm at with
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my key Forage collection, because,
like you said, ninety percent of it's
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just a gob of nothing, right, So I'm I'm I'm going to do
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this. I haven't gotten the stuff
yet to do it. I haven't made
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it to the store. I'm going
to keep five of every card. I'm
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going to keep the archon cards.
I'm gonna throw away the rest or I'll
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maybe I'll give them to Eric since
he likes to make buttons out of him,
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or I just gonna spend time to
flip through. Shouldn't really take that
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long things together. I mean,
it's no different than what we used to
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do. Well, maybe not you, but what people do with magic cards.
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Yep, color card name. Once
he got four or something, the
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rest just go in that other box. But I'm here because I don't want
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to do that. So after Wookie
likes he likes that stuff. It's why
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we're always fighting with him on why
ki Forge is actually good because he likes
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the miserable part of other card games. Because my original part was I was
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just going to keep the archon card, toss the rest, okay, because
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if I have the archon card.
I that I could always have it,
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you know, in theory reprinted.
But then I thought to myself, well,
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hey, you know, maybe I
want to proxy some decks, right,
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because that could be a thing that
exists, you know, especially when
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we are doing in person testing or
whatever the case may be. I'll keep
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the cards to proxy them, I
can build. I can quickly build the
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deck and move about my day and
not really you know, now that it's
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in a binder, it'll be quick
for me and I can just keep the
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ark on cards. And again,
if I ever need this deck reprinted for
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whatever reason, in theory, Ghost
Galaxy has got given me that option.
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Now, the chances of me needing
any of those options are slim, but
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I have it fifty dollars forty nine
ninety nine, forty nine ninety five.
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So I hear we just made that
up right. We don't know the price,
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right, well, he said,
under fifty dollars right, sounds a
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fair guess, so probably forty nine
ninety So so I I hear what you're
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doing, Wookie. I think that
is an option for growing game. Here
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from Eric Waters, how about those
who have collected the most decks get first,
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like you turn in all of those
decks that you have acquired from the
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tournament, so they are now ascended
or gone, and you get first dib
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off of a unique set of prizes
that are there. Oh okay, count
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them into the garbage can. So
then they're gone, they're gone. Get
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something else, and then you can
get something else off. Maybe you get
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it for every every deck acquired.
Not talking a ticket, I'm talking this
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would be a separate event, and
like you have to I understand, but
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remember they don't they're not doing shards
anymore. Now you get tickets for the
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prize wall. I think that was
one off. You're not You're not going
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to see that again. We'll see. Yeah, but let let let's just
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say you would you would get a
ticket for the prize wall. Okay,
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I mean pink slips I think would
be something community driven more than I think
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forcing ownership changes of decks is not
a route that would be people with ghost
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Galaxy stuff. I mean, yeah, yeah, there's the whole fact that
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at the end, you're like,
if you actually want to keep money of
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the decks, you'd have to be
like, can you do a transfer?
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You'd have to what's your thing about
the master if I have a thing,
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you just scan the deck and hit
the button and people be like, oh
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yeah, that's one I lost and
just click the button. Okay, I
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don't think it would actually be a
big deal, but it is a whole
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like deck ownership and the whole stuff
that I I just don't see Gigi actually
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supporting it. Event that forces deck
ownership change, although it's the same reason
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they won't officially support shredder, but
they all allow it. We just need
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like more extreme forms of shredder,
Right, how do you get more extreme?
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He has always put Alliance Shredder lion
shot. No, I think like
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you play wetter, yeah, so
you doesn't expect you just play in the
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pool and like if a card sinks, that creature died. Are you like
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bouncing the cards and you play them
on top of the water, Like try
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it goes down, You's gonna get
upset and it just goes down. You
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know, I'll just be cannon ball
Bo'll blow up everybody's cards if it floats,
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Does it come back? Maybe?
Maybe? Yeah? I think it.
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They're all good choices. All right, boys, Now this was not
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part of tonight's topic. We have
no loan. This is this is where
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other like other casts would be completely
done at this point, and we have
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just thrown out with Wetter and we
were done when we still were done,
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all right, Yeah, I mean
we we went op watch right, and
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then we ended up with Wetter,
and then nobody really had to wire suck
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at key Forge moment because we all
we just came up with this idea because
407
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.440
we're all just too good, well
mainly because of no, why do I
408
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.680
suck at key Forge? I keep
paying money to not be able to play
409
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:52.200
a game. We'll go with that, and then well we're sad as sad
410
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:59.359
as Bubbitt right there are Well,
I had things to say, but a
411
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.720
little really a little light on singles
this week for the swear Jarre. So
412
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:10.840
we're just gonna have to keep it
there. So we're gonna move into We're
413
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.559
not going to do the deck this
week. We're gonna keep our final We're
414
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.440
gonna keep We're gonna keep that in
our back pocket for biggest beginning of January,
415
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.960
when we still have no op news, we do we want to guess
416
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.079
when we'll actually hear something over under? Yeah, you want to do the
417
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.800
over under? Should we go by
month or no? No, no,
418
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.199
I mean we could have like a
calendar in whoever's closest gets a unique prize
419
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:45.960
because next Tuesday, Next Tuesday,
the nineteenth. Yep, those that's bold
420
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.320
Christmas. That's good. I'm just
all right, well, I guess I
421
00:34:52.320 --> 00:35:02.559
should write this down then deep next
Tuesday that'd be twelve nineteen. Oh okay,
422
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.599
let's let's let's get the chat in
here to. Eric says that,
423
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.719
what do you say? Well,
he said December thirty seconds, So that's
424
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.880
where his belief is. Okay,
well, that's my favorite delivery date whenever,
425
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.519
like like, hey, we're gonna
deliver the software like in you know,
426
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.280
December. I'm right, I'm right
down. Don't worry, it's coming
427
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.880
on December thirty second. There'll be
there, guys. First five. I
428
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.000
don't twenty twenty five? Oh no, he just said twenty. He said,
429
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.480
twenty twenty. Q five is the
first quarter. Next Q five another
430
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.599
great one? All right? Who
else we got? Sheep? Who's up
431
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.639
next? I can't see my list
Southerly, I'm gonna go for like late
432
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.559
January. I'll throw the twenty six
out there, all right, twenty sixth
433
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.800
of January, four to six weeks
they met eight to twelve weeks. Listen,
434
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:07.519
that's what happened that you don't run
on their calendar. We covered this
435
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.079
earlier. I don't know if we
didn't cover this earlier because if it never
436
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:16.440
recorded, it didn't happen. So
yeah, I'm thinking out a similar path.
437
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.360
Right, So so if they have
had four to six weeks, so
438
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.679
you take the ceiling of that,
right, six weeks, maybe you figure
439
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.880
it's going to take fifty percent longer
than that. So that's nine weeks.
440
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.280
So so nine weeks puts us twelve
weeks. Oh you said fifty percent,
441
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.280
never mind set fifty percent not arms
center nine. That puts us at the
442
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.239
third week of January. Yeah,
so I think mid January. I mean
443
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.199
battle guests coming in a little late
day. Valentine's president February fifteen, So
444
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.880
for that one, yeah, February
fifteenth. Hey, with these predictions,
445
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:07.079
we would still hate I will have
spread by February fifteenth. WHOA, like,
446
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.559
wait, time out time, let's
back up to that statement. Can
447
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:16.800
you increase your amount of distaste and
hate? He can? I've been being
448
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.360
civil you? Well, you've been
being civil? Yes, this is being
449
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:30.920
civil man. I am in his
boat, though, like I think he's
450
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.360
been absolutely fine. Like I don't
know, Like what do you need to
451
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.159
actually like, what did you need
to what was their wording for it?
452
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.039
They needed to review the old piece? What what did they need to review
453
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.360
to see how much money they lost? I mean, what are you reviewing?
454
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.360
I mean maybe, I mean that's
that's the only thing you could be
455
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:06.199
reviewing is how much money you will
like to lose next year. I mean
456
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.480
they were also reviewing how many LAPS
players came back and zero no, no,
457
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.840
no, specifically how many came back
and played Alliance, Because that's I
458
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.519
answered your question. Zero. That's
real hard map. I only have six
459
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:30.119
fingers and I can count that that's
how many came back. I mean I
460
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:36.840
did not did. Okay most of
you guys, But it's not a joke,
461
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.400
is the problem. You can continue
to say we joke, but it's
462
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.519
not a joke anymore. Literally,
Okay, so you most, Okay,
463
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.719
Dascore you went to most, you
went to quite a number, you walk
464
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.800
and Sheep you went to most.
I think the only one both of you
465
00:38:52.920 --> 00:39:00.679
missed was Vegas, Miss Vegas,
Vegas and Seattle. Sheep was there.
466
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:06.840
How many players did you see come
back that maybe you didn't see online anymore.
467
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.719
Well, that doesn't mean they're returning
players because it's hard. It's kind
468
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:20.320
of the hard mark that I'm using
as it because like probably about forty of
469
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.639
the player base, yeah, I
can think of exactly one, but it's
470
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.400
hard to be able to tell who's
from your local players. Yeah, who
471
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.199
just came out for the event,
because that's really what you're looking at.
472
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.119
I don't know online right right that
were there, But that doesn't mean they
473
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.920
were laps players. They're just not
active playing TCO because he's like a lot
474
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.480
of people have very little interest in
the onoficial online. Anybody can play anything
475
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:54.320
variantive key Forge well, and key
Forge Online is a it's a different game
476
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.400
than it is in person. There
is a social it's and I will tell
477
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.400
there's people who don't play Magic correct. They don't want to play a lot
478
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.920
because that's not that they're not playing
these games to play them on a digital
479
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.079
screen. They're looking at the social
aspect the in when you're playing TCO,
480
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.880
that's kind of lost. There's you're
missing some formalities you're you're missing and sitting
481
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.320
across from someone laughing and joking about
random cards and plays and things that are
482
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.519
happening. You've seen the tears as
I crush them. Yeah, there's no
483
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:37.480
shredder on the radio button options CCO, all right, opportunity, all right,
484
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:38.800
So, uh, the draftscore.
I need a date from you,
485
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.840
like an actual date, like not
third week of January like I needed.
486
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:50.599
Okay, well, i'll help the
calendar. Le's I must say January.
487
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.000
No, I was about to say
January seventeenth. That's the day before we
488
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.719
record. I think it's the day
after we record, So it's going to
489
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.360
be January nineteenth, so that we
have to wait. It's gotta wait a
490
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.719
whole week. You miss it.
There, they will. They will hit
491
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.280
it on the day that we're gonna
record. Yeah, okay, oh yeah,
492
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.840
oh yeah. It'll actually be while
we're actually as soon as we're done,
493
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.960
that's when they'll release it. No
you know what, No, no,
494
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.880
no, no, no, I
think far more influence than we do.
495
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.679
I'm gonna go no, no,
I'm gonna go on. I think
496
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:30.360
Josh announces on this cast on January
eighteen. Come on, Josh, let's
497
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.039
do it. But make it happen. Jeremy who denies us, Yeah yeah,
498
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.079
yeah, Jeremany like speaker Jeremy,
you guys rating, you rated him
499
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.800
so poorly on our scale. He
really took he took offense to that.
500
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.199
Well. I think I think if
he comes and talks about it, well,
501
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.519
well we'll put him like Neck and
Neck would in his place. He
502
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.039
just announced, yeah right here,
he might work his way all the way
503
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.360
up to third. Well that's the
third bottom. But boys, I think
504
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.760
the bottom. I think that you
really really missed an opportunity here beer key
505
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:16.679
for with shots. No beer damn, that is missing today. Today's is
506
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.320
the Steel Brewery tour bus, double
dry hops hazy So but no, what
507
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:30.039
was really cool? No? No, Godric in mosaic, But you missed
508
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.880
on the twelfth. Earlier this week, we got an update from Game Found.
509
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.000
We're getting there, did we?
Yeah? We did, even say
510
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.639
I don't even remember custom item printing. Okay, that's what you got out
511
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.760
of all that? Well that that's
that's the header, and yes, that's
512
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.199
that's pretty much there. Man,
there was there was one thing. So
513
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.000
basically, yes, they made an
update on Game found ewok, I need
514
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.199
your date to mine is Christmas.
I think that it's going to be a
515
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.880
Christmas They're gonna hit I'm going straight
on Christmas. That's the day. Man.
516
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.639
Man, this guy Matt Poster is
getting a lot of items from GG.
517
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:21.320
Yes, Matt Post, Yes,
Matt Poster. Fine, Matt posts
518
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:30.239
anyways right next to Janet. Okay, yep, that's we get so many
519
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:36.000
Matts and posters because they have an
employee named Matt Poster that he's got to
520
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:44.119
accomplish. They're they're design guys named
Matt Poster. Yep. Now, I
521
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.639
know this is now. I know
this is going to go above a lot
522
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.880
of people. But Sydney, your
post with all of the Janet drinks this
523
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.519
week really made my day tonight.
When I finally got around to it,
524
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.119
I did see that drinks. Hold
on, where is this cut on Facebook?
525
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.800
No? No, no, no
no, this is our general but
526
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.119
uh, for all the fans of
the good place out there, Janet now
527
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.159
has even more meaning here with Gigi. So I love it. I love
528
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:22.320
it. Well done. Where is
this drink listing? I like drinks.
529
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.320
I'm just anyway competitive And then and
then Josh put it in here competitive spreadsheeting.
530
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.599
Yeah yeah, I need now,
I need to know more. I
531
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:39.800
need our opie, uh our OPI
dreams. Why are coming from how you
532
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.239
can beat in spreadsheets, let's apply
that to Keyfde. Well, so when
533
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.480
you're seeing this and you're seeing you're
now going to play twenty seven deck alliance.
534
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:58.480
So when we're seeing this complex banning
and picking and and you're gonna have
535
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.039
to do with a spreadsheet. So
when we're seeing this and we're seeing others
536
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.400
who are going ahead and off joining
the lore Kana group, man, we
537
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.760
desperately need to be able to see
some some actual work here and some updates
538
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.440
what's happening. So this sweek custom
item printing because that is our our news
539
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:21.519
and amazing news. Temperatures in snow
are falling Minnesota. Wasn't there something about
540
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:29.559
your favorite brobnar? Something was that
this week? There was a there was
541
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:37.800
a Twitter posters sometime no Twitter,
I do. There was a Facebook.
542
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.280
There was a Facebook post because I
replied to it with my typical no no
543
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.199
care. So they said work on
the key Fords Grimmer Miners campaign continues as
544
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:54.320
we inch closer to fulfillment. No, I mean look there, I mean
545
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.840
we're we're complaining about op because that
that is what we want the most.
546
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:05.039
It is good that they are keeping
people so abreast of their progress, and
547
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.880
they seem to be making good progress, Like this is the right thing to
548
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.480
do when you're running a game Found
and you're trying to get word out of
549
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.679
it. So they're they're doing the
right things the via the visa v what
550
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.880
you should do and yes, and
it seems to be they seem to be
551
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.119
doing it better than last time.
That's all well and good. Is there
552
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:34.639
a reason though, that these these
game Found updates are nowhere linked with Ghost
553
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.480
Galaxy? Yeah, because their media, Well that would be that would be
554
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.519
extra work. I understand, I
understand, but we knew we need thing
555
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.119
centrally located. I mean the idea
when we if you didn't back game Found,
556
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:52.480
you don't kind of don't care,
But can't you bury that in one
557
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.400
of the threads so if you are
on their actual website you can still find
558
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.880
it, but it's not the major
items, so it can still be lost
559
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.360
anything with it now, Like why
would they push it on their main page
560
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.119
anymore? Well, you say that, but we also didn't have a single
561
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:12.000
link for worlds that happened, which
was their own event. I just I
562
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.360
think there's a lot of missed opportunity. I'm not disagreeing that there is a
563
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.840
general lack of interesting content provided directly
from gg. I just don't think the
564
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:30.719
game found being linked there would be
what you would want, right. We
565
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.800
could have a side scroller that could
go ahead, game Found update with a
566
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.760
link to it, man that can
disappear after while. Anyway, that's a
567
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:43.119
lot of coding. I mean,
we don't also never have a game Found
568
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.760
again and be better off. They
don't have a Southerly that can just make
569
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.159
things happen like we do. All
right, custom items. After the deadline
570
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.000
for sumiting custom names and information,
the team went right to work. Guys.
571
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.440
They did not take four to six
weeks here, and they went right
572
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.239
to where getting decks generated for print. This time around, we not only
573
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.320
had to account for the custom decks
and play mets, but also posters.
574
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:13.679
You know what, maybe poster maybe
maybe that's why they didn't want to say
575
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.039
it. It's not four to six
weeks to review. It's four to six
576
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:23.760
weeks of everybody back in the Waterhouse
backing because they actually have the staff to
577
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:30.400
produce the game. So yeah,
Jeremy and Josh, they're literally back there
578
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:37.800
just packing boxes with posts. That's
why they're not getting anything because they're making
579
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.039
product, and you know that that
is that is a tough thing, like
580
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.079
in a really small shop, like
you can't do everything. I just you
581
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.880
know where I stand on the subject. I don't care about more product until
582
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:57.159
I have uh more OP. So
if they had provided an OP plan and
583
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.400
schedule for next year, my Game
Found would have been twice as is what
584
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.800
it was. But I just put
in enough to get a couple of the
585
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:12.599
fancy edge decks because that kind of
interests me from my dumb junk collector aspect
586
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.480
I have. But I just can't
spend money on a game I don't know
587
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.519
what I'm really doing with it.
I'll still keep up fancy edge deck even
588
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:25.920
if I throw away everything else.
But I think that's a really important concept
589
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:31.199
that needs to be like highlighted Star
like say that again, cheap. You
590
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.239
would have spent more money had there
been an actual plan that was presented first,
591
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.320
and I don't think well. I
also would have bitched a whole lot
592
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.840
about it still being a Game Found
because I would rather buy my product through
593
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:49.119
retail, through a retail place I'm
playing games at. But in general,
594
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.360
like at this point, even when
Grimm reminders comes out, I'm going to
595
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:59.599
buy the minimum to support my local
store. No, I agree with you.
596
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.079
I'm just telling you that you're not
the only one. There are others
597
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.400
in our community that have voiced that, and we need to be able to
598
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.960
express it. This is why planning
to be able to attend OP events is
599
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:13.599
really important. Large OP events,
which is what I'm talking about. But
600
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.760
if we want to increase the sales, let people know what the plan is,
601
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:25.239
have a plan put together. Anyway
you're talking to this, you're talking
602
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.960
to the company that made a presentation
three days before they had to present that
603
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:39.280
said yeah, I three, then
say nothing else and then show everybody how
604
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.880
it keep is made. Not that
we don't have videos about that already.
605
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.440
Yeah, I mean just in time
delivery like is a thing. Yeah.
606
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.840
I know a lot of companies are
that they're on the end. They're trying
607
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.239
to do the best that they can
with the with with what they are given.
608
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.719
I know it's a small group and
you joke about being in the warehouse.
609
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.880
It's very possible that we're taking people
in order to be able to help
610
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.519
assist. But the end result is
we have a little higher expectation. I
611
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.239
know that I have very limited resources
for my own work, but you still
612
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.639
got to make it work. And
there's some people who just they don't,
613
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.920
but then there's others that will.
And I find myself in that cab.
614
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.599
So that's why I'm still here,
going well, let's figure it out.
615
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.679
I think this next line in the
game Found campaign was very interesting personally.
616
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.960
This included changing the text font used
to help us identify what custom play met
617
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.239
goes where like, it's a really
odd statement, but there are updates that
618
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:44.320
they're trying to make it more efficient
so that you're not going ahead and having
619
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.519
the wrong product. So maybe that
was an important change for them, but
620
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:54.440
as someone on the outside, it's
very it's a small comic. Sands was
621
00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:00.679
not the right choice. So they
also like we took we took that a
622
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.079
step further by also putting each of
these items in their own box and putting
623
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.519
a printed label on them. So
what they're doing is they're saying, hey,
624
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.800
we actually modified our process so that
it becomes easier for us to be
625
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.039
able to grab this and make it
more efficient. I'm more excited that we
626
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:22.000
are making font jokes on this is
that Sarah or Sands? Sarah, what
627
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.480
do you think, oh, there
are comic sands kind of place. We
628
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.920
know it's all elephants. It's all
elephants. So I can't think of the
629
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:36.639
metric right now, but maybe we
should gamble on some metric of how many
630
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:43.559
orders get screwed up in this game
found because it was significant unacceptably high on
631
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.639
the last one, which is why
they're trying to change it. So I
632
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.519
give them credit there that they identified. I'm not saying there isn't credit.
633
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.400
That's why I'm saying I'm not sure
what the metric is is because I expect
634
00:52:53.440 --> 00:53:00.400
it to reduce, but I'm not
convinced it reduces to a acceptable unacceptable.
635
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:06.039
Now, I guess I'm curious for
our community. That's here me post it
636
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:12.039
in our discord or even the next
section is the great hunt? Didn't didn't
637
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.159
you see the post about the cell
phone that scans all the dextimation. There's
638
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:22.679
no duplicates. It was the light
on there, the lightboard. It's got
639
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.320
his own like pixel three A in
there. That's right, just to make
640
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.760
sure we don't have any duplicates.
Look at it. So maybe it's just
641
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.039
me because work is always trying to
be able to put more curriculum, more
642
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.320
items that are on the plates,
and it's just there isn't enough time.
643
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.440
But that's what I'm kind of seeing
with adventures with the Game Found campaign as
644
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.440
a whole. What really, if
we need to scale back so that we
645
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:54.360
can have an efficient company, how
many people are truly actively engaged in asking
646
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.960
for adventures like I think? And
maybe this is just because I'm coming from
647
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.440
a competitive key for it standpoint that
Keyboardge Adventures is great. We can go
648
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.440
ahead and play in and enjoy it, but it is not. It is
649
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:13.880
not the thing that I am saying. You know what campaign I did not
650
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.599
go and get the Game Found campaign
because of key Forge Adventures. I think
651
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.960
it's so far down on the list. It's like, well, it's already
652
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.639
there, so if it gets thrown
in, yeay. But it's another thing
653
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.639
that slows it off, if that
makes it okay. But key Fordge Adventures
654
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:35.960
is one of the few things they
have very clear metrics on, which is
655
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.159
they know how much it costs to
develop them, they know how much they
656
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.079
sell. It's a very easy one
for them to say this is worth doing
657
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:51.840
now to us, it doesn't provide
value. That doesn't mean it isn't selling
658
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.599
enough out there, And this is
one of those things we've I've kind of
659
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:59.400
touched on it, like we are
super duper out of touch with the casual
660
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.559
player. The number of posts we
all read every week on the discords and
661
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:10.079
the reddits of people who don't even
know that there are key for there wasn't
662
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.800
They didn't even know there was Vault
Tours last year. The amount of people
663
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.920
are interested in keys because they weren't
playing for they weren't posted anywhere I know.
664
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.760
But those people are probably buying these
adventures if they find out about them,
665
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.679
right, Like, there are a
number of people who are like I
666
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.199
backed the first one or I didn't
even know what's going on afterwards. And
667
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:35.639
it's because yes, the outreach is
a trosis, but this is a very
668
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.119
easy metric. They can pretty easily
say, like it costs us this much
669
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.639
to make them, we're selling this
money copies, this is worth continuing,
670
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.920
right, It's an easy thing for
them to do. And I agree,
671
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.480
Like, because they didn't have metrics
I doubt with the first one, right,
672
00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:00.400
the ones they'd gotten from FFG,
but they did they actually might have
673
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:06.280
that data like they might, but
I think a hard thing that those the
674
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.639
proof is the easier to figure out. Yeah, the proof is in the
675
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.320
pudding with the uh gorman Geist.
Right. So I think the same three
676
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:19.000
people that I saw at Extra Crispy
playing gorman Geist over and over against Yeah,
677
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.400
I think there's more than I think
there's more than three. But again,
678
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.079
Kirkman here, adventures isn't something I'm
interested in at this time. Didn't
679
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.119
play Commander, but would be interested
in playing that or multiplayer. I love
680
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.320
drafting formats. Wish I could play
more Cube. Now with this statement,
681
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.440
what I'm really getting at is use
the community. Use the community. We
682
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.039
have people who have invested time,
who are doing Cube, who are going
683
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.920
ahead and do command in the community. No, no, I'm telling you,
684
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:50.119
sheep, stop using resources in order
to go ahead and take away from
685
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:53.719
OPE and the next set and put
it and let the community do that and
686
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.360
instead focus on our OP and the
next There is a world where we're just
687
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:06.159
raw and their money is better spent
overall on selling decks through the junk they're
688
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.719
doing than what we want. Right
that, I hear that we don't know
689
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.280
and they are so cryptic on what
the hell is going on? We have
690
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.719
no idea, but I'm gonna go
ahead and sell something and I'm going to
691
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.519
be slapped for it, but the
end result is right now, other game
692
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.840
companies are doing things. They're the
hot newness that is attracting you, and
693
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:31.199
they're putting together events that you look
at the number of players showing up at
694
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:38.480
your lor ConA crap versus the amount
they're set. I'm like, it's like
695
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.840
they are selling way more than people
who are playing that stuff. That's true
696
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.960
of almost every game. I mean, we think it's a good way to
697
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:53.840
do and clearly, ope and organized
play does lead to sales to some extent.
698
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:01.320
I'm not knowledgeable on that stuff,
but casual non op is also a
699
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.639
very large amount of sales. And
I don't know what the ratio is.
700
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:10.280
I don't know what the ratio and
our game is. But just listening,
701
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.760
even a bunch of the people who
are active in this community, you see
702
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.679
them posting and these people didn't go
to a single event this year, and
703
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.960
they go, I may never go
to event, but I like this game
704
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:30.519
right, Like, oh no,
But it's not critical to everybody. It's
705
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:36.920
critical to us, this cast,
the players here. It is make or
706
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.199
break for this game. That doesn't
mean it's make or break for the game.
707
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.079
I'm saying that local OP is very
different from a large OP event,
708
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.360
and that mean less and less convinced
that's true too. I mean, I
709
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:57.800
think it's important, but I don't
know what the actual numbers and how you
710
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:02.280
show any proof. And like FFG
is a company that has run a lot
711
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.000
of games and made quite a lot
of money and did quite a lot of
712
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.119
OP stuff, so they know there
is a value to it, but that
713
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:16.960
doesn't mean it's the value we put
on it. I will say that I
714
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.840
disagree with that, and I will
leave it there. You can disagree with
715
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.000
it, but neither of us have
any actual facts to support our arguments because
716
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:37.920
we don't know what does offer outside
of its organized play, the same thing
717
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:44.000
all games offer a game, Like
there are lots of games that don't even
718
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.320
really have functional OPI and stuff.
But if I'm a casual player, right,
719
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:55.119
like, how much am I actually
buying? Don't know they well,
720
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:59.320
I don't know if yeah, they
might now right, I mean, I'm
721
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:04.800
almost to the point where like if
GIG could be like, here's data to
722
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.119
prove that they're I mean, most
games definitely have more casual players who will
723
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:15.320
never go to a high end event
unless it's near them or in their city.
724
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:23.320
They they will only go to their
locals to play kitchen table. I
725
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.719
just don't really think is a big
of a thing as it used to be
726
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:32.760
anymore. I keep listening to people
and reading things where their main way of
727
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:43.159
playing is with themselves, like else
to play with decrease our players. It
728
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.840
certainly could be that, and it
could be just that's all they want to
729
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.920
do like that. I'm just saying, like we we often and I'm with
730
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.960
you guys totally, like I get
very much on my bandwagon and I think
731
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.960
what I say and what I am
right, but it there there is counter
732
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:07.480
arguments to what we're saying, and
we don't have fact. We just have
733
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.400
our gut feeling and belief. Well, the fact is that are maybe I'm
734
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.519
not increasing, but decreasing. That
I can tell you. And the amount
735
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:21.920
of decks that were purchased two yes, yes, yes, And the amount
736
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:27.400
of decks that we know that the
decks that we're just twenty eighteen and twenty
737
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:32.920
nineteen were significantly more. The game
has progressed, but right now we have
738
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:39.920
a decreasing populace and we have a
decreasing amount of decks being produced. Oh,
739
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:47.239
there's definitely a de convince between correct. Totally agree, Like there is
740
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:54.159
a reduction in sales, a reduction
in active players. I I don't know.
741
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.599
Yes, there were people that were
at our first KFC that did not
742
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.760
show up, but our second they
were players see it. But no,
743
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.840
no, no, no, Here's
where I kind of agree with Sheep.
744
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.679
You had a lot more events in
twenty twenty three than you did in twenty
745
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.960
twenty two. KFC was the one
and only place you could go and a
746
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:24.920
major event to play key Forge were
probably when it comes down to straight money,
747
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.000
we are pre hiatus to post hiatus
numbers like that's but like that don't
748
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:36.440
have another last that was the only
large event in twenty twenty two, and
749
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.480
from switching from a company who did
fail us to a company who was attempting
750
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.360
to succeed, Like, yes,
there have been huge failures in this game.
751
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.280
All I'm all I'm saying is like
Gigi's decisions may not line up with
752
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.719
what we think are right, and
there may be real numbers behind it.
753
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:05.880
I don't know. I'm also just
preparing myself for disappointment when it doesn't align
754
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.719
with what I think would actually drive
and being able to justify it and be
755
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:15.039
able to suck up and deal with
being more miserable than I am. Now,
756
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.400
I mean, I definitely see a
world in twenty twenty four where there
757
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.519
are no high end key forge amarts. Now I see a world where that
758
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:30.480
exists. I do. I can
see all kinds of bad things. I
759
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.840
can see why before and they go, haha, we got the last money
760
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.440
we're gonna get from you, guys. I will tell you as I in
761
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.360
the Carwookie like, if there is
no vault to her, if there is
762
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:45.840
no large event outside of worlds,
this game for the most part is tanked.
763
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:51.400
It's gone. You have too many
top level key for players that they're
764
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.800
already going ahead and looking for other
games. They're already trying to play other
765
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.480
games because they're not engaged right now. This is also under the assumption that
766
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.800
this is a thing that GG continues
to want to put. Yeah, there
767
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:10.599
is that number which he's talking about. He's posted some things, but there's
768
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:15.320
that other stuff where we heard there's
what seven million printed decks and less than
769
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.199
half of them are scanned, which
means most of them went to casuals that
770
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:25.559
don't care about OP, are they? That says a lot, yes,
771
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.880
But when you're looking at this,
he's also taking twenty nineteen numbers, which
772
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:34.239
again is pre pen. I'm just
saying overall, your content producers and those
773
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:42.000
who are playing weekly in large events
for OP or super large events where you
774
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.079
would consider our vault tour is what
goes ahead and pushes a lot of other
775
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.159
individuals to find the game, to
stay interested in the game, to be
776
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:57.320
talking about the GG already said they
believe in aspirational events. So those other
777
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:03.480
companies you're always competing against the new
hot This is the star burns the quicker,
778
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:09.039
it burns out. But but this
is the some words that don't mean
779
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.480
anything. Larkana is going to only
make it because it is attached to Disney.
780
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.760
No Arcana is going to Lacana is
going to go ahead and make it
781
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:23.679
because Lacana is investing first. If
I if I have, have you gone
782
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:28.559
ahead and seen the second set in
what Hold On Again? It's still ugly?
783
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.440
Let me ask you this, and
I'm just gonna kind of like put
784
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:36.079
a stamp on this. If it
wasn't Disney, if it was called Larkana,
785
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:41.199
and it just had pictures on it. Would you play it? Yeah?
786
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.440
Again, it's another game that's there, right, But that wasn't my
787
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:50.760
question. My question was if it
was not Disney, did you know that
788
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.039
just a couple of weeks ago,
Flesh and Blood had their nation that had
789
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.159
their world tournament that was going on
over in Barcelona. His question still not
790
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:06.440
what I mean that Flesh and Blood
had a bucket of people at their World
791
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:12.159
Championships in Barcelona. And again we
are getting into an argument of comparing a
792
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.440
card game that we play that is
not a traditional collectible building card game and
793
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.079
trying to say it should be the
same as these other games. That's not
794
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:25.760
how it's going to ever work.
It's different people with different wants. Or
795
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:30.440
you push Alliance and you go back
down wookies crazy ass roads, like why
796
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:32.840
is it allies? Just build whatever
you want? Because most of the people
797
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:38.760
play this game are here because they
don't want to play that stuff in this
798
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.199
game, because we don't want to
do what the other games do. So
799
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:47.679
even many, not all, many
people are playing this card game and not
800
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.920
other cards. And there are many
reasons why people won't play this card game.
801
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440
That is true, and that's why
I'm saying you can't compare our numbers
802
01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.000
and our things to other card games
because it's not. But I don't think
803
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:06.480
it's wrong to have I don't think
it's wrong to have aspirations. I don't
804
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.400
I think it's wrong to want more. Yeah, I think the problem is
805
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.400
but hold on my question should still
realize if it wasn't Disney, would you
806
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:24.320
buy Lorkana because what's there, Star
Wars whatever is coming out? To be
807
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.079
honest, right now, right now, I am more engaged with other games
808
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:33.559
that are coming out because there's nothing
from key Forge. But is it the
809
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:40.280
OP that's driving you or is it
the I P? So so here here's
810
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.760
the difference. The I the I
P will drive me to try it.
811
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.480
The OP is what's going to carry
me to be able to play in the
812
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.079
group. And and key Forge has
always been there because of the community.
813
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:57.000
But the end result is if if
any game can put out a community where
814
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.280
I enjoy spending time with that,
I'm more interested to be able to go
815
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:05.000
there. You have how many Markana
events have you been to? To be
816
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:09.400
honest, my family has been to
the ar kind of events. I have
817
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:12.719
made the decision to go ahead and
stay true to key Forge, but it
818
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:17.039
is becoming harder and harder to be
able to do that. It is it
819
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.720
is a true love. I mean, it's important to be able to know
820
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.960
that. And so when your true
love is basically going ahead over in the
821
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:29.520
corner with some random stranger saying I
could care less about you because we're not
822
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.159
going to put OPE events because we
heard you loud and clear, and there's
823
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:36.640
not it's more players than us every
week. Like, there are lots of
824
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:43.479
other games past play. So the
Lorkana, which we're saying, yes,
825
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.319
I would have still tried it.
How about Battle Spirit Saga, no,
826
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:51.640
okay. How about Don Evans nope? How about Grim Path Nope, we
827
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:57.039
didn't play that one. Sorcery nope, nobody's sorcery is there? Actually,
828
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.600
if I have, if I have
somebody to play with, I would think
829
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:08.000
about it. And all these games
have some level of OPE support going on.
830
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:12.560
So a game having an OP support
doesn't mean we care because we're not
831
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.760
in cerative card game players in that
way. But we talked about this,
832
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.880
We talked about this long ago.
So the end result is with OP,
833
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.319
I want it to be something that
is present in our store. Okay,
834
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.800
if it's not happening in my store, it's not happening in my universe,
835
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.359
if that makes sense. And it's
a very centralized focus. So how do
836
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:35.119
you like the result? So how
do you get players into the store?
837
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:44.119
Because questions? All Right, I
don't I don't think running an event is
838
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.279
going like, hey, we've got
an event going on. I don't think
839
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:51.399
that drives anybody new or anybody who
used to play to an event. All
840
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:56.720
Right, we've hit an hour,
and we're also just about to go into
841
01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:01.039
a subject that we've covered almost every
week for the past six months that we
842
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:04.039
know. But now I'm starting to
lean on your Now I'm starting to lean
843
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:08.560
on your side. Well, it
doesn't matter because we don't have any I
844
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.760
mean, like, I don't want
to devolve into almost identical words as to
845
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.680
what we said last week and the
week before and the week before that,
846
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:24.920
because that really does not make great
re listening content when we are same dead
847
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:30.640
horses right now topics anyway, So
we're certainly not, but we're also not
848
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:36.680
covering anything even moderately new, because
nothing has changed in the last Well,
849
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.880
this is the problem when you get
when you get no new news. We
850
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:47.159
got this you know, it's said
with slow motions better than no motion,
851
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:50.920
but we got no motion. There's
no motion in my ocean. So what
852
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:54.880
the fuck is going on? What
do I do? I'm left in a
853
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.920
stuper I'm left in a stupid sitting
on my couch looking at my boxes and
854
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.520
boxxes of key forards, decks that
I don't know what I'm gonna do with.
855
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.479
Well, I have an idea what
I'm gonna do, but I don't
856
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:09.199
know what I'm gonna do with them. I'm gonna go three for I'm gonna
857
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:14.439
go on and I'm gonna see Sheep
come in drop two games, go home,
858
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.239
be more depressed than he was when
he's like and then it's like,
859
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.800
why did I even come? I
don't know why you guys are worried.
860
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:26.199
I mean, Josh is gonna be
here on January eighteenth telling us about all
861
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.239
the great things that are going to
happen, right, Yeah, that's what's
862
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.920
gonna happen, right, I mean, by January eighteenth, I'll have vacation
863
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.760
again, and I'll be able to
drive back up to Minnesota and kick some
864
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.560
ass. You are we gonna go? Are we gonna go attend the uh
865
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.800
oh wait, no, I think
that's going on going live to sheep on
866
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.439
site at the game because he was
running the Ugly Sweater event, which I
867
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:51.640
thought was kind of cool. But
that's have you guys gonnaheadn't even seeing the
868
01:11:51.840 --> 01:12:00.199
difference in amount of players on TCO. Yeah, I players on tc out
869
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.479
because I don't think it's actually indicative
of the real health of the game.
870
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:09.560
What is indicative of the health of
the game at this point numbers We don't
871
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.760
have actual sales, ye, stuff
that we don't have, they don't if
872
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.319
it's just saying very small numbers.
Honestly, I think the Game Found really
873
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:21.560
hits that because people invested in the
Game Found versus going out and supporting their
874
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.520
local stores. So if we're just
looking, if we're just looking all play,
875
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:33.439
trump's oh p play. So you're
saying Game Found is casual play.
876
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:39.279
I'm saying, yep, yeah,
game game Found. I don't know actual
877
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.479
play more than it supports O people. I don't think most I don't think
878
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:49.720
Kickstarter supports casualty over no way.
Yeah, the amount of the amount of
879
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:55.720
people who would I hadn't paid,
and we're paying roughly like large amounts of
880
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.319
money. No way, would I
say that those are casual players? No,
881
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.279
yes, because they don't care about
the games. They can't buy it
882
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.960
in their store, so they might
as well buy it on game found.
883
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:14.520
Like you're also talking about interesting care. These players aren't the players that are
884
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.239
buying it from the game found.
Nine times out of ten aren't attached to
885
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.600
a game store. They don't care
whether the game is because there is no
886
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:24.359
game store. I disagree. I
think if you look at both of the
887
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.159
game found campaigns individuals who are there, you see many individuals from our key
888
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:34.520
Forge community who you're talking about.
I think you're talking about vault to our
889
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:40.000
players, which are different, not
necessarily different, but at somewhat of a
890
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:46.520
different value than just store level aspirational. Even even looking at our own new
891
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.600
player who came back who now has
joined us a second game found, not
892
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:56.319
the second, but the first one
he did, And that's an important component
893
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.640
to be able to keep in mind. I mean, it's really important for
894
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.680
GG to figure out why they had
twice as much on the first one as
895
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.800
the second one, and people didn't
want to give them as much money because
896
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:10.680
they had on the first one and
told us it would never happen again.
897
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.359
Well, they never said it would
never happen again. They harm they said
898
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.800
it it was so it was more
exciting, all right. So there's somebody
899
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:25.520
in the the chat named Little Why
and saying, yeah, Little Why,
900
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:31.279
And what they're saying is, hey
Jr. Six two hundred people backed Winds
901
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:36.880
of Exchange. Less than five hundred
nique players participated in OP in twenty three.
902
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:43.800
Therefore, the majority is obviously oh
caps casual. But the end but
903
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:46.359
the end result is you're looking at
a percent You're looking at a percentage.
904
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.239
You're never going to get one hundred
percent of people who are going to back
905
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.600
again this. You're never going to
get a hundred percent. No no,
906
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:57.000
no, no, no no no. But what you're talking about is large
907
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:01.520
scale OPE versus if you look at
and we don't have that data because unfortunately,
908
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.439
unlike FFG, where we had the
stores that were running events week in
909
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.439
week out, we don't have that. So we don't know how many people
910
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.960
went to their local p but had
no chance to be able to come out
911
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:19.159
to major Vault tour level OP because
one they release dates late or change dates
912
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.319
or when I hadn't moved it,
or it wasn't in an area that would
913
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:30.119
give them a lot of credit that
I don't think is is there like there
914
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:35.520
was enough operation. Now there is
another percentage of this people who yes,
915
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:40.479
did not even have a vault to
or close enough them to seriously consider.
916
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.760
Right, it was even tough for
several Canadians, right, and they at
917
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.840
least could get to North America.
And then there was only one in all
918
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:56.640
of Europe and one other one.
So like there is a portion of those
919
01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:59.920
players. We don't know what that
number is, but it's not going to
920
01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:03.239
be that much. I would guess
if there was, if there were the
921
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:08.640
number of international vaults as there were
US vaults, you might have got closer
922
01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:15.000
to that thousand total number. Maybe, but you're a You're always going to
923
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.439
have more that are going to fall
into. But I'm saying you've got to
924
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:24.600
look at those percentages and see why
OP isn't critical as critical as you think
925
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:34.800
it is, because only a fairly
small portion are participating in it. And
926
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:40.279
maybe this is why we keep making
key Forge adventures, and that is why
927
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:44.760
we keep making key Forge Adventures exactly. I mean, we don't know the
928
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:50.520
numbers, we know them, we
are willing to buy is somewhat proportional to
929
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:57.159
the amount of awesome op events we
can attend. But that doesn't mean it's
930
01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:04.399
true or even the majority of the
player base. And yeah, I'm becoming
931
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:10.319
more and more convinced that although I
think I'm well, I used to think,
932
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.720
Now now I'm like I said,
I'm becoming convinced that I was fairly
933
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:18.439
normal in my buying and playing experiencing
games like that, I'm way out in
934
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:27.520
left field. So I just I
don't even have faith in my own thoughts
935
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:33.640
anymore, because, like I think, our is significantly decreasing from CODA to
936
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:43.840
this point. Yeah, that's that
is that happens in all games does significantly
937
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:49.840
even if we look at from let
me ask you this, Do you still
938
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:55.720
play Magic Chair? Do I?
Yeah? No, I gave you my
939
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.079
cards. I know that. But
that's my point, Like you're always gonna
940
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:04.159
have, You're always gonna I have. I don't have because I know because
941
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:11.000
people leave games like this happens like
today. Yes, absolutely, people have
942
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.520
left the game. And I think
that's because eventually, in the beginning you
943
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.439
were fed this bill that one deck's
all you need. I actually and we've
944
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:24.720
fed ourselves alive. Well, it's
all about player skill, but I would
945
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.199
argue that my amount of decks that
I'm picking up has significantly increased, so
946
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:33.840
you have some sure and so as
a result you need to keep that in
947
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:38.840
mind. We're not just going to
you. I think the amount of anywhere
948
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:43.880
near an average key forards player anymore
in interest in the game, wanting to
949
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.680
do things. Whatever you are,
you and I have completely you have,
950
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:53.119
actually, yeah, you have.
You have possibly surpassed me in key forde
951
01:18:53.960 --> 01:19:00.279
like high level play commitment. I
don't have a kid, or I don't
952
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.880
have as many kids in quite as
many family things, so I'm a little
953
01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.279
easier to get away than you.
But I don't know. I think you
954
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:10.439
may be putting in more effort on
that stuff than I do these days,
955
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.960
and well, any effort is more
than none, so yes, but there
956
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:20.640
is no effort to be put in
because we're not doing anything. But I
957
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:28.439
wonder as just a dumb percentage number
of people who would have been considered magic
958
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:35.600
players to actual number of people playing
magic right, like, over the course
959
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.279
of the game, there are a
lot of people have come and gone and
960
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.920
do not come back, And I
wonder what's that number, because I don't
961
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.359
know that that game has at least
a million active players, probably more.
962
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:54.239
Have they gone through fifteen million players? Fifty million players? And then do
963
01:19:54.399 --> 01:20:00.399
you count dabblers versus players, because
there are a ton of peop people who
964
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.279
bought one, two, three,
or four key Forge decks said eh,
965
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.920
that's kind of neat, not for
me, and we're done. They were
966
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.399
never keyboarded players, right. They
checked it out and said this is we
967
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.840
do that with all kinds of games. Right. People do that all the
968
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.319
time. They're not players. They
were never going to be a player.
969
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.239
They checked it out. It wasn't
their taste. They went on. And
970
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:24.239
then there is a large number because
we all know we all used to have
971
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:28.119
locals with twenty players at them and
now we have locals with four players at
972
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.479
them. So there are definitely people
who were showing up consistently pre COVID that
973
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:36.439
aren't here now. Why they're gone
gg got data because they hated that they
974
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:44.560
had junk decks they couldn't play.
Alliance didn't solve that. Alliance did not
975
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.920
bring those players back. Those players
are not showing up at our locals anyways.
976
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.239
Maybe other people are having more success, but they're not showing up at
977
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:55.600
our locals. And maybe that's because
we don't say every week we're going to
978
01:20:55.640 --> 01:21:00.960
play Alliance. I don't know,
but that hasn't worked. Who knows?
979
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:10.760
Right Like that, the pre COVID
pre ffg players to now is I don't
980
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:16.039
actually think a number. I don't
think it would be the right thing to
981
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.520
chase at this point. Again,
we don't make the decisions. We don't
982
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:24.079
really know how anything's going to turn
out. It's just not the route I
983
01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:26.920
would chase, right, I would
be trying to find the people who had
984
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.680
bought stuff on the last game Found
versus this game found. But even looking
985
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.600
at those numbers, that has changed, that decreased, Yes, but you
986
01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:41.880
are assuming it's because there's no op. We did definitely have aspirational op last
987
01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:45.439
year. If there was a bunch
of store op, does it get better?
988
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.159
There are a number of people that
that is meaningful too, because we
989
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:51.319
see those posts two. But that
number that I see doesn't feel like it
990
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:57.359
equates to the other ninety percent that's
another and or fifteen percent of that population
991
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.880
where what what is the opinion of
the rest And all of our numbers that
992
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:08.520
we have available to us is based
off the number of things we see online,
993
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:15.000
which means they're already the vocal minority. We we don't have real meaningful
994
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:20.439
numbers to go from. We have
the vocal minority from every game is able
995
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:29.239
to go hide push often that has
not actually representative of the majority. It
996
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.399
may not be represented of the majority, but it does have a way to
997
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:38.840
be able to push each in every
single game that they are interacting with to
998
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:47.720
an extent. Sure, having content
providers and personalities and people in games does
999
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:54.399
generally provide value, for sure,
But that doesn't you know, Like I'm
1000
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:58.880
just saying, like we don't like
even when we try to do the thing
1001
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:00.840
where we know we have the most
thing and somebody put up a thing on
1002
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:08.680
Facebook and yeah on the Facebook reddit
like it was still one hundred and something,
1003
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:16.520
replies like we just have no way
to get meaningful numbers from even ten
1004
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.439
percent, Like we can't get data
from ten percent of the people who back
1005
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:27.520
the first game phone to even start
to have a statistically meaningful amount of data
1006
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:31.439
to make decisions on, right,
we have data from two hundred of the
1007
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:36.439
most dedicated people we see, and
we're trying to make a lot of value
1008
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:43.159
judgments on that, and it isn't
It isn't statistical numbers to make value judgments
1009
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:47.520
on. I mean, it's two
hundred winers. What you need, what
1010
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.119
you need to understand is out of
those two hundred hardcore fanatics, when you
1011
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.560
start to see fanatics, we're willing
to go ahead and go into other games.
1012
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.199
That's a really big turning point.
And that's what's right now because I
1013
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.760
am seeing multiple people who are hardcore, who have invested heavily, were saying,
1014
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:10.039
you know what, I'm going elsewhere? Are there? Is that?
1015
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:16.600
Not? And and definitely a role
I have been playing in my online persona
1016
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:25.279
is the extra attention you get for
being a clown about leaving a game when
1017
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:30.119
you're upset. There is an amount
of that going on, definitely from me
1018
01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:34.760
right Like, I'm not anywhere.
I'm not worried about you sheep. I'm
1019
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:39.439
worried about the people who frankly are
quiet and just telling you, well,
1020
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:44.319
we have no controller that you're not. This is a number that you don't
1021
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.840
actually know exists. This is a
number you're pretending to have that we don't
1022
01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:53.359
have. It's not a pretending if
you actually is pretending you don't have a
1023
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:58.199
number, you might have one or
two people you know who are probably gonna
1024
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:02.119
check out. I'm to tell you
that that number is higher than one or
1025
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:09.319
two from what I am seeing online
talking to individuals and being willing to listen
1026
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.159
to individuals who are in their community. And maybe that's the difference between me
1027
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:18.159
and GG. They're not I'm not
hearing it, but I'm a very vocal
1028
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:24.680
minority of people, and the people
are are like me and making it aware
1029
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:30.720
that they are willing to quit this
game because this shit sucks. They're doing
1030
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:36.199
it vocally for a reason because when
people just as we have a good game
1031
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:40.039
and we want to be able to
see the people that purchase the most.
1032
01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:47.840
Don't know x Ray No, I
mean absolutely x Ray was a big buyer
1033
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:54.680
post pandemic. Is he's I mean, he's bought decks, but he's not
1034
01:25:55.239 --> 01:26:00.640
thing like my understanding is I think
reap out bought a crack ton of whoa,
1035
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:05.560
but I don't actually know. Yeah, well, all right, well
1036
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:11.079
in the theory, in the theory, is it hyper Is it the two
1037
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:15.600
hundred hyper competitive, hyper focused,
hyper dedicated people that are buying more decks
1038
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.560
or is it you know it is? Or is it the sixty three hundred
1039
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:25.760
other people who purchased decks. Well, I think it's it's Dan b because
1040
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:30.199
he now has eleven thousand and six
hundred decks marked his own the Okay.
1041
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.720
I have met dan Bee and talk
to some of the other people up there
1042
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:40.359
around him, and my understanding is
of the last several thousand, he quit
1043
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:45.239
scanning the decks in unless it looked
interesting. So that number is way more
1044
01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:48.600
than this, potentially quite a lot
different. So he has two hundred and
1045
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:57.399
fifty six winds of exchange decks,
okay, which is not a He's no
1046
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:01.720
Vault Masters so went to no Vault
Tours. Then my assumption, yeah,
1047
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:09.119
he's Canadian. Like that's my question. Is it the two hundred dedicated people?
1048
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.560
Is it the two hundred dedicated people? Did they outweigh the sixty three
1049
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:19.239
hundred casuals? Clearly not. Because
I hate to tell you, Gigi,
1050
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:25.439
as much as we want Vault Tours, that we can go hang out with
1051
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:28.960
everybody and hang out with each other, because I think the main thing that
1052
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:32.399
I'm hearing here is we don't want
to all lose each other. Well,
1053
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:35.760
it has nothing to it has nothing
to do with the game. If we
1054
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.840
all agreed that we were going to
play game x Y. If we're all
1055
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.920
gonna go play Larkana tomorrow, I
think we'd all be just as happy.
1056
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:50.119
Now let's just say you were just
just play lor Kana is now an algorithmically
1057
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:59.880
generated game. It's the same as
Kyfork. But but I think that they
1058
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:04.079
key forde to Disney is that it's
just it's it's key Forge Disney themeed.
1059
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:15.720
I'm just saying, if we all
started playing the same game tomorrow, you
1060
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:19.199
you are right. There's an amount
of dragging onto this game because the friends
1061
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:25.279
I have made in it are valueable
to me and I don't want to lose.
1062
01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:32.000
But but that's what I'm saying.
So that because when it comes Corsy
1063
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:36.840
and Wookie, your three guys,
that without key Forge, I may I
1064
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:44.279
would guess within six months we would
be down to Merry Christmas and that would
1065
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.640
be the end of our meaningful communications. Probably like that that's the truth,
1066
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:53.520
like I or if it's never going
to change, Hey sheep, where we're
1067
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:57.720
playing after this game takes a ship
and then we're not going to agree because
1068
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.640
probably not. But like the fact
of the matter is that the sixty three
1069
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:06.800
hundred people are always I'm going to
Gander. You can call me crazy.
1070
01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:12.199
I have no data to support this. They bought more than the two hundred
1071
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.840
dedicated people. Yep, that is
how math is going to work here.
1072
01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:21.439
I mean in theory, right,
No, in practicality, Well, if
1073
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:26.640
your math like to get like,
if they all spent ten dollars, right,
1074
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:30.000
that's sixty three thousand, and to
get two hundred people to spend sixty
1075
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:36.960
three thousand is a lot. So
right, that's three thousand something per person
1076
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:44.880
and the lot. The bummer of
it all is that Gigi is always in
1077
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:50.079
forever. Any company is always in
forever, going to listen to the money.
1078
01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:56.479
Well, the money, the money, right, the money. Well,
1079
01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:00.920
any successful company is going to listen
to the money. And the problem
1080
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:05.920
is is that these success and they
have they don't know about local op.
1081
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:11.439
They have no clue on because we
basically didn't have it last year. But
1082
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.680
basically the short and skinny is I
mean, if you look at it this
1083
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:23.560
way, the Vault Tours were as
extreme financial loss because they placed a high
1084
01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:30.760
monetary amount for winning. Now,
no, no, there is a cost.
1085
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:34.039
There is a cost and everything you
do. Yeah, that was that
1086
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:40.600
was fifty thousand dollars, right,
like the prizes were just a pre defined
1087
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:44.880
cost. I think what is killing
probably the math is when they look at
1088
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:51.520
the operational cost the prize costs for
the prize costs was in some extent out
1089
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:55.960
of a different bucket already spent.
Like they said, that's fine, that's
1090
01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:00.680
gone. It's the operational costs of
it. I think it to fly.
1091
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.000
But the operational costs would have been
covered from those who attended for the most
1092
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:10.640
part. No, yeah, I
know that's not true. We ran this
1093
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.079
event. We know that's not true. I'm telling you that the numbers that
1094
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.199
are there, you would have been
a lot closer versus sending another ten grande
1095
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:23.520
out on it. A lot closer. But you can put it to put
1096
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:27.840
it as marketing. You can put
it as marketing. They are they Yes,
1097
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.920
you have to look at the two
numbers. But if I if I
1098
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:34.079
run TV ads saying that key Forge
is running a vault to her at my
1099
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:39.039
local blah blah blah, I don't
know if that drives anybody to go to
1100
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:44.199
the local blah blah blah. I
don't know how many people go as a
1101
01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:48.680
result, Like I mean, I
don't think you get as many people as
1102
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:53.520
the TV ads going to cost,
so the costs outweighs what you're looking to
1103
01:31:53.600 --> 01:32:00.000
do. TV ads is U and
what they're doing now is is is just
1104
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:05.399
it's it is marketing but well marketing
on it cheap and it is what it
1105
01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:12.840
is. But you can't marketing is
marketing. Marketing doesn't like you can't market
1106
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.039
it either hits or it doesn't.
Well. Okay, So here's metrics that
1107
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:18.479
they actually are going to be able
to develop by the end of this next
1108
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:26.880
year. Probably is they have a
clearish set of numbers that said we've had
1109
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.319
a game found that this this successful. Reduce it some because it was the
1110
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:33.880
first one. We had a season
where we only ran big ass OP and
1111
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:39.359
at the end of that we had
another game found and it was half as
1112
01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:45.640
big, So that's less exciting.
And now potentially the next season we see
1113
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:55.000
a whole bunch of to extend organized
local play and probably a smaller I mean,
1114
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.720
most of us are expecting a smaller
Vault Tour season next year, but
1115
01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.680
they're we're expecting something like I think
that's reasonable, a bigger investment in local
1116
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:05.720
play, a smaller investment in OP, and then they're going to be able
1117
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:10.119
to run because they're gonna do it. They're gonna run another game found and
1118
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:14.800
they're going to be able to say, like which of these seems to be
1119
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:20.920
more successful? And all these numbers
are have flaws in collecting them because time
1120
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:26.720
and already loss are things, but
you can't have perfect numbers. But they
1121
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:30.359
will all have very clear numbers like
we invested money this way and we got
1122
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.800
this. We invested money this way
and we got that, and that will
1123
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:39.159
help them make a decision for the
next season. All we can say is
1124
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:44.840
we think investing in local OP and
having a vault tour thing would help build
1125
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:49.359
players. We won't know until it's
tried, and we you know, we'll
1126
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:55.680
see what they determine is their course
of action because we don't get to decide
1127
01:33:55.720 --> 01:34:00.920
it. We're just here to get
to live through and it. So those
1128
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:05.000
are real things that can happen,
right. They can change how they're running
1129
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:11.239
OP and see if the numbers go
up or down. I try to determine,
1130
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:19.399
you know, how to change how
they're spending money next year. Yep.
1131
01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:26.319
Well, fingers crossed that they figure
that out well, and I think
1132
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.159
they are going to figure out.
And I think the unfortunate part that everyone
1133
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:34.319
has to come to grips with is
that local OPI is going to take much
1134
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:44.439
heavier seat than Vault to her play
and and that's fine. I mean,
1135
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:49.720
that's how the game started for us. True, Yeah, I think there.
1136
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:59.600
I think there also needs to be
some form of thought that eventually that's
1137
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.760
what you're going to that's all you're
gonna have. Well, you're not getting
1138
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:09.039
that from Sheep because he's already officially
announced he's gonna stop thinking fair. But
1139
01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:14.840
like, they're not seeing a return
on Vault tours. This is why they
1140
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.920
didn't want to run them in the
first place and try to third party source
1141
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:21.279
it. You didn't set yourself up
for success this past year, and so
1142
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:26.119
you can't utilize that data. The
end result is not there. All right.
1143
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.800
Well, I mean I don't know
what another year is going to bring
1144
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:31.920
us, though, I think you're
gonna see me very very similar, even
1145
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:38.640
if I release something on February whatever. Let's let's let's just say February fifteenth,
1146
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:44.039
day after Valentine's Day, I release. Here's your Vault tour schedule for
1147
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:49.920
twenty twenty four. Here's your US
States, here's your oversea you know,
1148
01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:54.399
here's your non us your dates,
here's your locations, here's your dates,
1149
01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:59.800
here's your location, make your plans. I still think you see roughly this
1150
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:08.279
same amount. Let Jr. Answer
first, compared to this year percentage wise?
1151
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:12.399
How many more people what the vaults
had had they had like this clean
1152
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:17.479
like this is the exact schedule,
everything's open. You know what you can
1153
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:21.600
and can't do, Like how much
bigger would the events been? I think
1154
01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:27.159
at best five percent. And I
think that's a really drastic extension because I
1155
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:32.680
think that I think I think that
you're using more, but I think that
1156
01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:40.439
we're losing more people because we're waiting
in this time period. Who are we
1157
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:44.680
losing? We're frankly right now,
I'm right on the cost to go ahead
1158
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.239
and say I'm going to play another
game. I think a lot of us
1159
01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:54.000
are like, if that's where I
am man as someone who is competitive and
1160
01:36:54.239 --> 01:37:01.079
actively engaged in but you have you
are not far further edge of the average
1161
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:08.399
player, then you're you're far from
the center line of this game. I
1162
01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:12.239
don't I don't think that you just
I think that the casual people are like,
1163
01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:14.640
hey, fine, I'll go ahead
and play if it's there, I'll
1164
01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:16.880
play if it's not, but I'm
not. If it's a local VT that's
1165
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.119
close by, fine, I'll come
and play. But if it's not,
1166
01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:25.279
okay, who cares? But they're
not someone who's engaged, who's spending frankly,
1167
01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:29.359
a ton of money on the game
Found, but you're not. You're
1168
01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.600
not. The people who are spending
a ton of money on the game Found
1169
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:36.800
aren't even scratching the surface of what
they're making from the people who don't don't
1170
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:41.640
care. I'm telling you, Wookie, I don't think that they're making enough
1171
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:45.760
money from what's there. I think
so. I think that they have sold
1172
01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:49.359
some decks to Frankly, their distributor, and it's sitting there. I think
1173
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:56.000
there are more decks willing to go
ahead and be frankly slashed because people aren't
1174
01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:59.800
buying them. I think it's the
game stores who unfortunately are being stuck with
1175
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:02.399
and that's really sad because the game
is amazing. What do you think has
1176
01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:06.960
decks? I think that right now
they're just sitting. I don't think they
1177
01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.560
very much. I don't think that
we're selling. I think I think that
1178
01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:14.840
if you're going ahead and looking at
it, that we're not going a hot
1179
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:19.079
in selling decks even from the woe
that was there, the whoe what with
1180
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:24.520
people if you're not if you don't
have a local group we have in our
1181
01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.600
store, I mean the store is
probably not moving any decks. That is
1182
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:31.000
one hundred percent. If you don't
have a local like we have, your
1183
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:36.039
store probably didn't order any decks.
Well, that might have got them to
1184
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:41.760
order a box. But I know
what you're missing there is that GG has
1185
01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:47.039
made it clear they prefer direct to
customer sales. They want you to buy
1186
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:51.279
their crap through game Center, or
they want you to buy it through the
1187
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.760
Game Found. They don't they go
stores. They make way more money,
1188
01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:03.840
way more money. And that's why
internationals are absolutely screwed in this situation because
1189
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:10.199
there's no good way for them to
direct profit on the internationals. You have
1190
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:15.600
to use distribution once you leave this
country to effectively sell to those and that's
1191
01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.960
why it's not happening, because it's
stupid and expensive and they just get to
1192
01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:25.720
make more money by not having game
stores. You're like, over eighty percent
1193
01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:30.880
of the original Game Found was North
America based. Yeah, and then I
1194
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:36.720
don't know what the numbers are.
Can probably sit down and do some math,
1195
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:42.039
but We could definitely sit down and
do some math. Maybe somebody wants
1196
01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:47.479
to do that. How many more
boxes do they have to sell through retail?
1197
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:53.279
It's almost double to make the same
amount of money because they make nearly
1198
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:59.119
double selling direct, if not more
than double selling direct, then they do
1199
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:06.239
selling through distribution like double. It
takes a lot more when you're selling direct
1200
01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:13.520
or when you're selling through distribution.
So you know, like I I fear,
1201
01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:15.079
I still fear that that's the route
they're going to go. They kind
1202
01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:21.199
of keep talking about and sure they
threw us about this is this is the
1203
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.079
route they're going. Yeah, they
could just be pushing more and more towards
1204
01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:30.319
directed consumer all the time. I
mean, it's number one. They we
1205
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:39.279
know how awesome the experience with an
asthma day repers. It's great zillar that
1206
01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:44.079
the whole asthma day disaster is well, and that's exactly what it is.
1207
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:47.479
It's a disaster. So I'm going
through asthma day and they know it's a
1208
01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:53.079
joke. You can't tell me that
you have all those educated people in there
1209
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:59.079
who have dealt with the answer.
If they're not using asthma day, what's
1210
01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.079
so saying no, no, no, No, I'm saying, what's the
1211
01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:08.000
answer for getting product to stores if
they don't use asthma DA exactly what they
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did? No, the game the
game found with a option you can order
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once through Game Found which was like
forty total stores or something that was not
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a very big number. That's no, that's not real. That's not a
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real way to do distribution. Distribution. You either set up direct, which
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works just fine when you're selling the
average store a case of product, right
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like magic distribution, like direct distribution. When you get to the amount that
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most stores buy for KeyForge and the
scale, like they want to buy one
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or two boxes, and direct sales
one or two boxes is awful on shipping,
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It's just awful on things like most
stores just want to buy stuff through
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they're one or two distributors they work
for. They don't want to have to
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have fifty two direct accounts to buy
it everything Like direct accounts are great if
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your big time, if you're not
big time, like that is more work
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for a storm manager to deal with. If to order key Forge, I
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have to log into another portal and
pay a different bill and track it totally
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separate from everything, like it's just
it is all a ton more work,
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which is great. If we're talking
big time, we're not talking about okay,
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so let's be honest, we're not
talking about I'm saying they're still going
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to be through a distributor, and
all distributors suck. Asthma day it sucks
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the most. I don't actually know
if they suck the most, because Alliance
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sucks. Ac D used to be
kind of good, but now they who
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wasn't stuck anything and they kind of
suck. And there's the weird ones.
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There's Southern hobbies to just do.
They didn't have anything to do with gaming
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products until well one there was so
much magic being moved to that they could
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get in on that. And then
there's a lot of places where for a
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while Southern was getting better than some
of the other ones. So you just
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use them because they sucked less,
but now they suck. And Peach Tree
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is another one, and I don't
actually know if they suck or not,
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but we don't use them very much. Like distribution Asthma DAE is garbage,
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but it's sort of unnecessary evil in
the way things go right now. And
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none of them, none of them
do a good job of saying like Hey,
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we got this new product you want, because every one of them has
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an employee who has a lot of
stores and a lot of stuff to take
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care of, and unless you're a
big guy, you don't get that much
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personal attention. Well, I know
that we have beat this horse many a
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times. We've added some new idea
in, we've talked for a usual hour
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plus well beyond this ninety minutes.
But now I want to know. Well,
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the short answer that I'm gonna go
ahead and say is I love this
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community. I miss it dearly.
I'm hoping for a Christmas miracle, but
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but this again has kind of depressed
me from what's there. So I love
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you guys. May the forge be
with you. I'm saying, yes tonight,
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they may not be as far from
the best answer they can deliver,
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then they then than we really are, right, Like, there isn't an
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easy decision in some of these things
that just is better. That's what you're
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saying, is they're in the best
situation we can have. Well, they're
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not in the best situation we could
have. I'm just the situation what we
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have. It hasn't all all been
super bad, and like, really,
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my biggest problems that I've had is
that, well, one we haven't had
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local opie, which I think is
critical, and then general opie structures have
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been not fantastic. But like,
we gave them a lot of credit for
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the amount of stuff they did suck
up and run last year, and they
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are making product and they are doing
things. Yep, and we hope for
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bigger stuff next year. Yeah.
Well, hey, I'm looking to set
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up a big thing over the holiday
at my local store. I'm working on
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the details, but I'm gonna post
some stuff in the local discords. I'll
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probably post in this discord here too, in case anybody's in the Philly area.
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Maybe I'm thinking maybe three Deck Anti
Survival, every deck, different set,
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because my game store has every set
in stock, so come to the
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games keep in Westchester, Pennsylvania.
But yeah, we're gonna do something with
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that being sad, we'll see y'all
next week. Thank you for listening to
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our shortcast. Yes, thank you
for listening to our ted talk m
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Think I'm getting a listening. Yeah, we're all here. Okay, so
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I'm pressing the button. So what
is going on? Everybody? Fourteenth times
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a charm? I heard, I
hit the button. Okay, things are
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moving now. It wasn't moving before. I don't know if I got it.
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You'll hear in the Patreon episode and
then everybody's here. But it's time
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to talk about fair sex with Sheep. And I'm oh, sorry, here's
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my nickel or what is it?
A quarter? I don't know what I'm
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yelling about, but we but you
know, let's just now that I'm all
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frezzing a corner word? No I
didn't, okay, but what about like
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ursa pornication? Does that like skirt
around the jar rules? So what are
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we here talking about tonight? Well, first of all, let's talk about
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who we have with us scene.
We have the l from the South,
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so we have the Choke show dress
Corps. Hey, guys, how's it
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going. We have ewakwakshy Hello friends, and we have hello keyboards community we're
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doing them all. We have our
resident PhD in grump doctor Sheep. Still
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I haven't learned anything. Still have
not learned anything, But it is time
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to go on ope watch once again. All of our gold materials now gone.
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I apologize that I'm not singing again. You did miss Sheep singing?
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Man, there was an ounce of
joy there? What was it on the
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eighth? Oh? No? So
today, if you're not following us on
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Twitter, make sure you're following us
on Twitter at our kids quarter. Today
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is day thirty two, nothing of
the forty two days we have given gg
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to review. So here's here's what
I'm fearful of because we don't quite getting
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to this. We got into their
their their crucible calendar, which is actually
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a seventy four system, but too
late. That joke's dead then what we're
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talking about? Yeah kill, Okay, I'm sorry. I'm a terrible person.
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So anyways, it's day four,
it's day thirty two to forty two,
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so in ten days we should get
OP news. Right, Christmas Eve,
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it is. It is Christmas Eve. That is right. That's exactly
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where I was going dressed you and
I think, like man, I did
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not recognize that until y'all said it, it would be it would literally be
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Christmas teah. Yeah, we're gonna
get both Jesus and OP News. That's
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sounds about right. Well, Number
one, it's Kisus. Oh, Kisus,
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sorry, Kisus. Oh. I
suppose we do get Kisus on the
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twenty fifth right, okay, yep, and then Kisus on the twenty sixth.
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M that's yep. Yeah, And
that joke just didn't land all right,
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but that would be that would actually
legitimately land us right on Christmas Eve?
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So over under his boys, are
we getting OP news on Christmas Eve?
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Over over means beyond? Is that
what you're saying? Yeah? Yeah,
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sheep? Would that be the ultimate
Christmas present for you? If we
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got OP news on Christmas Eve?
Uh, it would have to be pretty
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monumental news to make it worth that
day. Hey, guys, we don't
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have any information yet, but the
Key Forge Vault tour is we'll be making
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a return in twenty twenty four.
That sounds about right. Would that make
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you happy? At least? No, we already knew that, okay,
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So not only I have dates and
times, all of it's fake now that
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would you know if they came out
with an article that was like, here's
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you know, here's your twenty twenty
four Vault tour schedule. Here's here's a
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few US faults. Here's a f
you're a national vaults. Here's the dates,
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here's the locations that would be that'd
be pretty great. Would that make
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you happy? I would consider not
talking to you. We're talking to sheep
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right now. Okay, you're always
happy, You're always happy? But is
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he pretty much? We care about
you? DRez, Please know we do
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care about you, but we're trying
to make sheep happy right now. I
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think I would be satisfied. You'd
be satisfyble wow? So what what would
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make you happy? Though? Are
you recording this this time? Or I
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mean this is the fourteenth time the
one it's time to okay number two?
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It only took us four years to
learn how to back up record, and
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then we don't back up record.
But we haven't lost the algorithm yet at
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least couldn't get through the whole thing. We never Asking what happy is a
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much more complicated question than we can
cover in this cast. I mean,
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if you wanted a short episode,
this is not the way to do it,
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all right, So the only thing
that would actually probably make me happy
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is if they dropped a store level
op program that looked good and I don't
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have the answer what that is,
because if I did, I would have
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already fed it to them. You
have been blown up their email. Well,
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and then they would have done what
they traditionally knew, which is,
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go now we'll do some more Alliance. So as a whole, and everybody
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in the chat put it up and
put it up in the show chat going
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on? Right, there was Alliance
just a giant bust this year, And
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is there room for it to make
a comeback or is it is maybe something
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we should just leave in the dust. Come back would infer that it failed,
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which is a thing. It didn't
fail. It did not fail.
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Well, it depends on your measure, I think, right, I would
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say Alliance was kind of a big
failure. I would say it did not
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provide the It did not reach the
goals as stated right, it was still
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a format enjoyed by a certain group
of people that did only come to play
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that format. Now, that could
be true of any of the awful formats,
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like they could have run Adaptive as
the second format, and that could
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have also had four players showing up
to play it, and would have been
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exactly what I would have said,
which is like, yeah, some people
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will play this but nobody wants it, which is a lie. There are
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a few people who want it,
sure, I like, no, nobody
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wants it, at least I don't
know. At least the Lions is kind
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of like playing key Forge. We
got some people in the chat here who
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are fans, right, I think
that that's why the the measure is important,
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right if it's what CTP came on
various casts, not ours, but
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various casts and said, hey,
this is why we want to do Alliance.
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We think it's going to bring back
laps players that definitely did not do
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that. Did it grow the game? I don't think so. There.
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I mean it depends a game,
though, because I think the secondary market
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did get a big bump, and
yeah, sales just for decks that normally
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wouldn't have sold extend maybe to find
big because I don't think it got a
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big Well there was zero and then
there was some. Okay, I don't
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think it actually made so do you
guys know that? I, you know,
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most often buy cheap decks with something
silly in it that I want to
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mess around with. It actually made
that much harder to do because yeah,
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because like if it's got some cool
thing in one house that I want to
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mess with. Now it's like,
oh no, no, no, I'm
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not going to sell that for twenty
bucks because I'm going to try to get
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a hundred out of it for somebody
in an Alliance And I'm like, well,
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it's not worth one hundred bucks to
screw around to bring it to my
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local to try to do the one
thing right, whereas I would have paid
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twenty bucks to do it. Kirkman
says Alliance was a surprising was surprisingly a
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plus. Eric Waters says didn't fail, but wasn't as big as I bet
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they thought it'd be. I think, like I do agree, it is
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hitting like a different demographic and like
it's not bringing back, you know,
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old lapsed players, but it is
bringing in new players that are have an
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affinity towards the more constructive format.
What new players I mean, I know
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it's a hard number to quantify.
I couldn't tell you. Yeah, I
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don't. I don't think like that. That's just all going to be personal
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experience of like who you're talking to
in the community that maybe like I'm biased,
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right because I'm not an Alliance player, but I my sales pitch for
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the game at for folks at my
store, like you should play with us,
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like did not change, Like I
still stated, two folks, you
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cannot change your deck, Like that
was still a thing I said to people,
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because like I didn't want to be
like, well, mostly that's true,
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but there's other formats where that's not
true, and you can only change
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certain parts of the deck these pods, but you don't know what the pods
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are, so like I just didn't
get into any of that. I think
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the important statement is going from Joe
and a chat, Alliance created a lot
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of key Forge thought and discussion,
which is very good for the game.
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I will definitely give it that.
I think that is an extremely important part
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that we cannot undervalue. Yep,
it definitely makes better conversation than most of
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the other alternative formats. I see
Kirkman mentioning cheap AOA bringing in folks or
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at least on Reddit, like I've
seen that too. I don't know if
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that's for Alliance though, Like I
think A would be cheap one way or
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another. Right AOA it was.
I don't want to say it was,
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because it really wasn't. I mean, it ended up winning, right,
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but like it finally gave away a
chance to shine well, but is that
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only because it's the set they didn't
restricted death is the only thing you're not
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The combinations that do that kind of
power level just got restricted out of World's
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Glide and Coda immediately. Because my
biggest question me and Sheep talked about it,
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what if we had a world hypothetically, if we had a world where
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there was no restricted list And I'm
actually surprised Season one, Yeah called Arkan
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okay, but it's not like it
would be very different, like I'm now
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building an ARCon as opposed to like
I open an arkon, Like, what
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what are your guys' thoughts on an
alliance where there is no no restricted list
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and we just remember people see what
like you're going to see like a quad
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or like five Control of the Week
three Scrambler Storm just like stupid call the
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arc on Alliance where you just can't
play. Yeah, but that gets beat
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by a stupid it can't get beat
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that that. It's the the ot
K stuff closer to what Z won with,
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but even more broken, because you
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logos to make it happen a turn
even faster than it was true. Like,
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I think it's going to be the
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in three to four turns, I
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set up, my I win the
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somebody who's also doing that or they're
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it I don't know, I think
it just gets more into the awfulness that
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is is magic, where it's you're
playing the you're playing the fast act,
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you're playing the deck that counters the
fast ac and then there's some sort of
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interesting things when those decks hit each
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I'm under kind of like this idea
of like a double I don't want to
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say double standard, but like this
double basis where it's either either it'll end
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up balancing it all, so it
balances itself out because you got degenerously playing
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degenerouscy so eventually one degenerate thing just
out degenerates the other thing. Yeah,
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but that never happened. Like nobody
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MG, and that's been winning all
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enough major events and stuff going on
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responses to to be developed, and
responses to responses because there's just not
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enough events and enough players doing it. So it's slow. It's very slow.
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It's hard. It's really hard to
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kind of a slow development thing with
the size and the quantity of play going
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on. If we didn't have a
banon restricted list, do more people join
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or is it still the same kind
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back to why you don't play arc
on because it sort of becomes I don't
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know if it actually becomes worse,
but I think it feels like it's worse,
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like then there's going to be even
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I feel like there's this idea that
it would just be absolutely busted. But
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it's like, yeah, but find
something like that. Well, we'll jot
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in the chat, right he played
U Library Access plus United Action or Library
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Card plus United Action. Right then
it's just you're just playing everything. But
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but it isn't true because you have
to set that up. You have to
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have a card from every house and
play before that works. That doesn't just
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Hey, it's not just like two
cards in my hand. I've just won
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the game. That doesn't actually work
that way. There's some amount of counter
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it's super strong. But this is
the kind of stuff where I agree it's
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gonna be like you're either playing that
kind of deck where it's like on turn
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three I get infinite and it's pretty
consistent a doing it because I put together
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a deck that lays artifacts of all
the houses. Correct, but I can
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actually into a best of three now
because the games long. Well, but
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if it's degenerate, doesn't it move
faster? Because there's also degenerate lockdown is
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a very real thing where it's just
like you the I was KIV was kind
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of playing that in ARCon where it's
like once he's set up, every turn,
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I get to shatterstorm you and make
enough for my key, so it
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and has control stuff and it's just
like you're never going to do anything and
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I'm slowly going to grind my way
to victory. Like those are real decks.
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That stuff does exist. You will
see it and games can dike forever.
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Yeah, I can talk a little
bit about the forest. Yeah,
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I can talk a little bit about
library access United Action because I have I
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have a legacy that came out in
DT and before that restricted list was up,
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Wild West, that's immediately what I
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went to. And it was I
can say fun for myself for a little
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bit, but it wasn't fun to
be able to play against. And you
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can see that. And it quickly
went away because when I would have my
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LA like, the only thing that
would restrict it is if my LA was
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buried too deep or a UA like. I'm looking to be able to have
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both of them, and that would
be how I'd pushed to cycle a little
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bit faster. But the end result
is I can go ahead and once I
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have it set up, I'm infinite. You're just watching me play cards.
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And when I say play cards,
Wookie, I'm talking when it goes off,
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there's I'm going literally through every single
part. You're just sitting staring at
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it like there's nothing that you can
do. It's not I played I played
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you against it. And that's what
I just took the conceited button. We
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called it a day and we moved. We moved a game too, but
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not everyone is willing to do that, and that's where it causes an issue,
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I think. But then what would
watch you play that whole turn hope
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would you make a mistake? So
then I think the appeal to Alliance them
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though, Well, I think Alliance
is a format that lets you play the
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good stuff from your bad backs in
theory, right, because that that is
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a very like we We've talked about
it many times. There there's very few
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reasons or ways to play most of
what you own, especially with the way
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we enjoy the game, which is
kind of at the higher power level in
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general, and Alliance kind of lets
you do that because it lets you go
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like, hey, I got this. This could have been really cool if
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it didn't come with Brobner World's Glade
or Brobnar just about any set other than
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the New Ones, right, It
lets you slap that junk together. I
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mean there was nothing stopping you from
doing that to some extent before, except
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there was no official tournament. And
if there's no official support for it,
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that is not really a real thing, and then it becomes some weird thing
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people are doing on the side.
So without Gig's nudge supporting of it,
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it doesn't get supported. Although I
think it's been very clearly shown in this
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season, is that still most of
what you own is pointless, so alliance
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doesn't it? It does it fire
decks have some value than they did before,
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so it did add some decks back
to the playpool that otherwise would have
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just been you know, novelties in
your deck collection and you're like, look
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at how close I was too awesomeness. Ah, it does let those come
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out, but it doesn't really address
the amount of junk we still own.
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I think that's the really important aspect
that I've seen is top level alliance is
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very very good, but you're looking
at a select grouping of decks, and
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unfortunately it still leaves a mass,
large quantity of our collection that is still
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unusable. So the idea was great, Hey, I can use this.
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I think it's fun more in a
local play group setting. But if I'm
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looking at top level competitive alliance,
you're you're scouting for those decks, but
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it doesn't make it more playable cross
all of our decks. I wish there
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was something that was there. Of
the seven hundred and fifty decks I have,
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which have all been all except by
like top ten, or the few
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decks I actually enjoy, have all
been listed for sale at one point,
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I think I only ever moved to
that were for Alliance, and they certainly
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didn't show on alliances that were played
anywhere that I saw, So yeah,
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it's just yeah, the Alliance pod
things there are. I think that's the
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real I think that's the real trick
though, for gg what can you do
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with that ninety decks that we're purchasing? I think the like, well,
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I mean have the ultimate format on
what to do with decks. You play
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them, you get your fun out
of them, and then you don't own
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them anymore. So you don't go
back like, well, I still own
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it and I don't have something to
do with it. No, you're done
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with it. You have it has
reached its peak fun. Let it rest
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well and you are talking. Sealed
is a phenomenal way to play a deck
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and you get your use out of
it. So shredders a second option to
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reuse that deck. I get it. And honestly, for fifteen bucks,
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it's what a cost of movie is. It's not a bad, bad cost.
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No, that's that's our opinion.
Like, there are certainly people who
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you know, like, there are
people who are every deck is sacred.
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Yeah, they won't go ahead and
tread them. Jesus has blessed this deck
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himself. I'm sort of that way. Yeah, I mean, I'm to
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the point now I haven't done it
yet, but I'm going You're kind of
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like your good decks anymore. I
tread them things too. I don't well
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because because a good okay, a
good deck that is still unplayable little vault
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to her? Is it? I
mean, I get it? Is it
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still good? Yeah? This is
ah. There was another cast kind of
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trying to have an interesting conversation this
on how they're still value going with a
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medio and trying to do the best
you can with it and like value and
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fun in that and if that works
for you, great, But that's I
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mean, like the rest of us, at least most of the people on
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this show will have a little bit
more of a like yeah, no,
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that's that's uh. I mean,
but even I'm not a win even to
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that point with the two L O
system, like, okay, do that
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anymore? I can't. I can't
even. I can't even be like,
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let's see what kind of record I
can get with this A minus deck.
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I went on too. Now I'm
done. Now I can go. Now
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You're just like, can I get
one win before I'm out right, can
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I go too? And two?
I mean is that? I mean like
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that's just comes back to Eric is
the guy who makes the buttons. I
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took a bunch this year. Sorry
sorry. Mandatory participation, not managed,
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but automatic participation and second amber with
opt out right, So yeah, you're
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not in the main tournament, that
is fine, but it still just pairs
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you as it would gus people with
a similar record with you, and you
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can keep playing and fix the garbage
prizes over there and let people keep playing
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if they want, and if they
don't, it's not a big deal because
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they're not affecting the final standings of
the main event. But you can still
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definitely play and it just auto pairs. So if you don't go and hit
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the drop button, you don't even
really notice, right, So I know
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last week we talked a little bit
about deck ascension and kind of what was
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there here is can you bring basically
an anti deck, so your SaaS deck
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that you could really care less about. There's a side event and all of
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these go ahead and get basically gobbled
up, whether you call it shredder or
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they're being pushed off that you never
see them again. But there is some
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something that the player gets as a
result of participating in that event. Yeah,
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it used to be shards and then
I could take them to the prize
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wall. I'm just I'm just trying
to be able to say, like,
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if you have these decks, where
all right, well we went ahead and
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here was the Battle Royale. This
deck didn't make it. It's maybe even
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it being like the archon card is
then a part of the larger collective,
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part of the trophy or something instead
of Shredder. I would be willing to
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play pick slips, right, You're
gonna you're gonna have to bring three decks,
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right because you got three rounds to
play still, But then you're playing
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pink slips, and if you lose, you just hand your deck over.
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That would be an interesting like survival. Everybody everybody brings three everybody brings three
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decks, and then when you lose
a deck, you you are When you
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lose, you lose the deck,
and then you and so you're you're in
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until you have more decks, and
then I will throw your decks away for
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you so you feel less bad about
it. I actually like this format of
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pink Slips. I dig it.
I could get behind that the way I
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like to play it. Bring a
box of decks and play Pink Slips.
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If that's what if that's how I
have to lose my decks instead of shredding
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them, and it makes people better
feel a little better. I mean,
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any anything that gets my junk plate
a little bit more and then no longer
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in my possession. I'm four.
So the way I like it is when
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yeah, go okay, I was
gonna say, when you lose, you
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know, it's not like they get
all the decks that that you acquired along
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the way, just the deck that
you lost with, and any deck in
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your collection is one that you can
play and bring with you to the next
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match. I mean, it would
definitely be interesting because that seems like a
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reasonable part of the format. It
would eliminate I think that might eliminate some
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like high end decks from showing up. Certainly, I don't. I don't
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think she was bringing fraud to Pink
Slips. But I'm saying, if you
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can have this deck ascension that every
single deck that's in this Pink Slip event
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is gone, this should this should
be a vault to her format. But
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but see then you'll get the irrational
horder types like myself. Okay, but
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I don't want to lose the deck. So then just open three brand new
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decks for that day to play it. But what if they're good? Or
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ask sheep for three decks and I
will give you three decks if you want
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to keep them. Actually that they
wouldn't be mine, so that'd be okay
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because I'm weird like that. Yeah, I'm not weird like that. I'll
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lose your decks, I'll lose my
decks. I don't care. I like
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this format. This could be something
fun, but I think it takes.
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It's another side. It takes a
fairly I actually I am wondering if pink
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slips as a replacement to unchained,
But you could do it with just on
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chain decks whatever, but pink slips
being like just the side of it where
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it's like you just find people and
you're playing pink Slip matches throughout the day
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and you sort of probably at the
end, whoever's collected the most decks is
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your champion. Are all key forgers
hoarders? Well yes, and can't we
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have instead of those weird lean forge
people. I don't want attachment to anything,
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and they just purject will. I'm
so here's here's where I'm at with
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my key Forage collection, because,
like you said, ninety percent of it's
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just a gob of nothing, right, So I'm I'm I'm going to do
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this. I haven't gotten the stuff
yet to do it. I haven't made
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it to the store. I'm going
to keep five of every card. I'm
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going to keep the archon cards.
I'm gonna throw away the rest or I'll
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maybe I'll give them to Eric since
he likes to make buttons out of him,
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or I just gonna spend time to
flip through. Shouldn't really take that
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long things together. I mean,
it's no different than what we used to
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do. Well, maybe not you, but what people do with magic cards.
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Yep, color card name. Once
he got four or something, the
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rest just go in that other box. But I'm here because I don't want
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to do that. So after Wookie
likes he likes that stuff. It's why
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we're always fighting with him on why
ki Forge is actually good because he likes
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the miserable part of other card games. Because my original part was I was
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just going to keep the archon card, toss the rest, okay, because
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if I have the archon card.
I that I could always have it,
353
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you know, in theory reprinted.
But then I thought to myself, well,
354
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hey, you know, maybe I
want to proxy some decks, right,
355
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because that could be a thing that
exists, you know, especially when
356
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we are doing in person testing or
whatever the case may be. I'll keep
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the cards to proxy them, I
can build. I can quickly build the
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deck and move about my day and
not really you know, now that it's
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in a binder, it'll be quick
for me and I can just keep the
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ark on cards. And again,
if I ever need this deck reprinted for
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whatever reason, in theory, Ghost
Galaxy has got given me that option.
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Now, the chances of me needing
any of those options are slim, but
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I have it fifty dollars forty nine
ninety nine, forty nine ninety five.
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So I hear we just made that
up right. We don't know the price,
365
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right, well, he said,
under fifty dollars right, sounds a
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fair guess, so probably forty nine
ninety So so I I hear what you're
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doing, Wookie. I think that
is an option for growing game. Here
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from Eric Waters, how about those
who have collected the most decks get first,
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like you turn in all of those
decks that you have acquired from the
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tournament, so they are now ascended
or gone, and you get first dib
371
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off of a unique set of prizes
that are there. Oh okay, count
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them into the garbage can. So
then they're gone, they're gone. Get
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something else, and then you can
get something else off. Maybe you get
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it for every every deck acquired.
Not talking a ticket, I'm talking this
375
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would be a separate event, and
like you have to I understand, but
376
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remember they don't they're not doing shards
anymore. Now you get tickets for the
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prize wall. I think that was
one off. You're not You're not going
378
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to see that again. We'll see. Yeah, but let let let's just
379
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say you would you would get a
ticket for the prize wall. Okay,
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I mean pink slips I think would
be something community driven more than I think
381
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forcing ownership changes of decks is not
a route that would be people with ghost
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Galaxy stuff. I mean, yeah, yeah, there's the whole fact that
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at the end, you're like,
if you actually want to keep money of
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the decks, you'd have to be
like, can you do a transfer?
385
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.200
You'd have to what's your thing about
the master if I have a thing,
386
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you just scan the deck and hit
the button and people be like, oh
387
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.160
yeah, that's one I lost and
just click the button. Okay, I
388
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.279
don't think it would actually be a
big deal, but it is a whole
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like deck ownership and the whole stuff
that I I just don't see Gigi actually
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supporting it. Event that forces deck
ownership change, although it's the same reason
391
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:04.839
they won't officially support shredder, but
they all allow it. We just need
392
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like more extreme forms of shredder,
Right, how do you get more extreme?
393
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He has always put Alliance Shredder lion
shot. No, I think like
394
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:22.319
you play wetter, yeah, so
you doesn't expect you just play in the
395
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pool and like if a card sinks, that creature died. Are you like
396
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bouncing the cards and you play them
on top of the water, Like try
397
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:42.519
it goes down, You's gonna get
upset and it just goes down. You
398
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know, I'll just be cannon ball
Bo'll blow up everybody's cards if it floats,
399
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Does it come back? Maybe?
Maybe? Yeah? I think it.
400
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They're all good choices. All right, boys, Now this was not
401
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part of tonight's topic. We have
no loan. This is this is where
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other like other casts would be completely
done at this point, and we have
403
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:15.160
just thrown out with Wetter and we
were done when we still were done,
404
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.880
all right, Yeah, I mean
we we went op watch right, and
405
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:28.559
then we ended up with Wetter,
and then nobody really had to wire suck
406
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.680
at key Forge moment because we all
we just came up with this idea because
407
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.440
we're all just too good, well
mainly because of no, why do I
408
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.680
suck at key Forge? I keep
paying money to not be able to play
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a game. We'll go with that, and then well we're sad as sad
410
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:59.359
as Bubbitt right there are Well,
I had things to say, but a
411
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little really a little light on singles
this week for the swear Jarre. So
412
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:10.840
we're just gonna have to keep it
there. So we're gonna move into We're
413
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not going to do the deck this
week. We're gonna keep our final We're
414
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gonna keep We're gonna keep that in
our back pocket for biggest beginning of January,
415
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.960
when we still have no op news, we do we want to guess
416
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.079
when we'll actually hear something over under? Yeah, you want to do the
417
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.800
over under? Should we go by
month or no? No, no,
418
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I mean we could have like a
calendar in whoever's closest gets a unique prize
419
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:45.960
because next Tuesday, Next Tuesday,
the nineteenth. Yep, those that's bold
420
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Christmas. That's good. I'm just
all right, well, I guess I
421
00:34:52.320 --> 00:35:02.559
should write this down then deep next
Tuesday that'd be twelve nineteen. Oh okay,
422
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.599
let's let's let's get the chat in
here to. Eric says that,
423
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.719
what do you say? Well,
he said December thirty seconds, So that's
424
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.880
where his belief is. Okay,
well, that's my favorite delivery date whenever,
425
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.519
like like, hey, we're gonna
deliver the software like in you know,
426
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.280
December. I'm right, I'm right
down. Don't worry, it's coming
427
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.880
on December thirty second. There'll be
there, guys. First five. I
428
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.000
don't twenty twenty five? Oh no, he just said twenty. He said,
429
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.480
twenty twenty. Q five is the
first quarter. Next Q five another
430
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.599
great one? All right? Who
else we got? Sheep? Who's up
431
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.639
next? I can't see my list
Southerly, I'm gonna go for like late
432
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.559
January. I'll throw the twenty six
out there, all right, twenty sixth
433
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.800
of January, four to six weeks
they met eight to twelve weeks. Listen,
434
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:07.519
that's what happened that you don't run
on their calendar. We covered this
435
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.079
earlier. I don't know if we
didn't cover this earlier because if it never
436
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:16.440
recorded, it didn't happen. So
yeah, I'm thinking out a similar path.
437
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.360
Right, So so if they have
had four to six weeks, so
438
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.679
you take the ceiling of that,
right, six weeks, maybe you figure
439
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.880
it's going to take fifty percent longer
than that. So that's nine weeks.
440
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.280
So so nine weeks puts us twelve
weeks. Oh you said fifty percent,
441
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.280
never mind set fifty percent not arms
center nine. That puts us at the
442
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.239
third week of January. Yeah,
so I think mid January. I mean
443
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.199
battle guests coming in a little late
day. Valentine's president February fifteen, So
444
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.880
for that one, yeah, February
fifteenth. Hey, with these predictions,
445
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:07.079
we would still hate I will have
spread by February fifteenth. WHOA, like,
446
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.559
wait, time out time, let's
back up to that statement. Can
447
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:16.800
you increase your amount of distaste and
hate? He can? I've been being
448
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.360
civil you? Well, you've been
being civil? Yes, this is being
449
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:30.920
civil man. I am in his
boat, though, like I think he's
450
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.360
been absolutely fine. Like I don't
know, Like what do you need to
451
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.159
actually like, what did you need
to what was their wording for it?
452
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.039
They needed to review the old piece? What what did they need to review
453
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.360
to see how much money they lost? I mean, what are you reviewing?
454
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.360
I mean maybe, I mean that's
that's the only thing you could be
455
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:06.199
reviewing is how much money you will
like to lose next year. I mean
456
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.480
they were also reviewing how many LAPS
players came back and zero no, no,
457
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.840
no, specifically how many came back
and played Alliance, Because that's I
458
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.519
answered your question. Zero. That's
real hard map. I only have six
459
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:30.119
fingers and I can count that that's
how many came back. I mean I
460
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:36.840
did not did. Okay most of
you guys, But it's not a joke,
461
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.400
is the problem. You can continue
to say we joke, but it's
462
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.519
not a joke anymore. Literally,
Okay, so you most, Okay,
463
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.719
Dascore you went to most, you
went to quite a number, you walk
464
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.800
and Sheep you went to most.
I think the only one both of you
465
00:38:52.920 --> 00:39:00.679
missed was Vegas, Miss Vegas,
Vegas and Seattle. Sheep was there.
466
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:06.840
How many players did you see come
back that maybe you didn't see online anymore.
467
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.719
Well, that doesn't mean they're returning
players because it's hard. It's kind
468
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:20.320
of the hard mark that I'm using
as it because like probably about forty of
469
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.639
the player base, yeah, I
can think of exactly one, but it's
470
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.400
hard to be able to tell who's
from your local players. Yeah, who
471
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.199
just came out for the event,
because that's really what you're looking at.
472
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.119
I don't know online right right that
were there, But that doesn't mean they
473
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.920
were laps players. They're just not
active playing TCO because he's like a lot
474
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.480
of people have very little interest in
the onoficial online. Anybody can play anything
475
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:54.320
variantive key Forge well, and key
Forge Online is a it's a different game
476
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.400
than it is in person. There
is a social it's and I will tell
477
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.400
there's people who don't play Magic correct. They don't want to play a lot
478
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.920
because that's not that they're not playing
these games to play them on a digital
479
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.079
screen. They're looking at the social
aspect the in when you're playing TCO,
480
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.880
that's kind of lost. There's you're
missing some formalities you're you're missing and sitting
481
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.320
across from someone laughing and joking about
random cards and plays and things that are
482
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.519
happening. You've seen the tears as
I crush them. Yeah, there's no
483
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:37.480
shredder on the radio button options CCO, all right, opportunity, all right,
484
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:38.800
So, uh, the draftscore.
I need a date from you,
485
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.840
like an actual date, like not
third week of January like I needed.
486
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:50.599
Okay, well, i'll help the
calendar. Le's I must say January.
487
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.000
No, I was about to say
January seventeenth. That's the day before we
488
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.719
record. I think it's the day
after we record, So it's going to
489
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.360
be January nineteenth, so that we
have to wait. It's gotta wait a
490
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.719
whole week. You miss it.
There, they will. They will hit
491
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.280
it on the day that we're gonna
record. Yeah, okay, oh yeah,
492
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.840
oh yeah. It'll actually be while
we're actually as soon as we're done,
493
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.960
that's when they'll release it. No
you know what, No, no,
494
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.880
no, no, no, I
think far more influence than we do.
495
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.679
I'm gonna go no, no,
I'm gonna go on. I think
496
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:30.360
Josh announces on this cast on January
eighteen. Come on, Josh, let's
497
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.039
do it. But make it happen. Jeremy who denies us, Yeah yeah,
498
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.079
yeah, Jeremany like speaker Jeremy,
you guys rating, you rated him
499
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.800
so poorly on our scale. He
really took he took offense to that.
500
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.199
Well. I think I think if
he comes and talks about it, well,
501
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.519
well we'll put him like Neck and
Neck would in his place. He
502
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.039
just announced, yeah right here,
he might work his way all the way
503
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.360
up to third. Well that's the
third bottom. But boys, I think
504
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.760
the bottom. I think that you
really really missed an opportunity here beer key
505
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:16.679
for with shots. No beer damn, that is missing today. Today's is
506
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.320
the Steel Brewery tour bus, double
dry hops hazy So but no, what
507
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:30.039
was really cool? No? No, Godric in mosaic, But you missed
508
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.880
on the twelfth. Earlier this week, we got an update from Game Found.
509
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.000
We're getting there, did we?
Yeah? We did, even say
510
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.639
I don't even remember custom item printing. Okay, that's what you got out
511
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.760
of all that? Well that that's
that's the header, and yes, that's
512
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.199
that's pretty much there. Man,
there was there was one thing. So
513
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.000
basically, yes, they made an
update on Game found ewok, I need
514
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.199
your date to mine is Christmas.
I think that it's going to be a
515
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.880
Christmas They're gonna hit I'm going straight
on Christmas. That's the day. Man.
516
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.639
Man, this guy Matt Poster is
getting a lot of items from GG.
517
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:21.320
Yes, Matt Post, Yes,
Matt Poster. Fine, Matt posts
518
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:30.239
anyways right next to Janet. Okay, yep, that's we get so many
519
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:36.000
Matts and posters because they have an
employee named Matt Poster that he's got to
520
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:44.119
accomplish. They're they're design guys named
Matt Poster. Yep. Now, I
521
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.639
know this is now. I know
this is going to go above a lot
522
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.880
of people. But Sydney, your
post with all of the Janet drinks this
523
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.519
week really made my day tonight.
When I finally got around to it,
524
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.119
I did see that drinks. Hold
on, where is this cut on Facebook?
525
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.800
No? No, no, no
no, this is our general but
526
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.119
uh, for all the fans of
the good place out there, Janet now
527
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.159
has even more meaning here with Gigi. So I love it. I love
528
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:22.320
it. Well done. Where is
this drink listing? I like drinks.
529
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.320
I'm just anyway competitive And then and
then Josh put it in here competitive spreadsheeting.
530
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.599
Yeah yeah, I need now,
I need to know more. I
531
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:39.800
need our opie, uh our OPI
dreams. Why are coming from how you
532
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.239
can beat in spreadsheets, let's apply
that to Keyfde. Well, so when
533
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.480
you're seeing this and you're seeing you're
now going to play twenty seven deck alliance.
534
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:58.480
So when we're seeing this complex banning
and picking and and you're gonna have
535
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.039
to do with a spreadsheet. So
when we're seeing this and we're seeing others
536
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.400
who are going ahead and off joining
the lore Kana group, man, we
537
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.760
desperately need to be able to see
some some actual work here and some updates
538
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.440
what's happening. So this sweek custom
item printing because that is our our news
539
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:21.519
and amazing news. Temperatures in snow
are falling Minnesota. Wasn't there something about
540
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:29.559
your favorite brobnar? Something was that
this week? There was a there was
541
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:37.800
a Twitter posters sometime no Twitter,
I do. There was a Facebook.
542
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.280
There was a Facebook post because I
replied to it with my typical no no
543
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.199
care. So they said work on
the key Fords Grimmer Miners campaign continues as
544
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:54.320
we inch closer to fulfillment. No, I mean look there, I mean
545
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.840
we're we're complaining about op because that
that is what we want the most.
546
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:05.039
It is good that they are keeping
people so abreast of their progress, and
547
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.880
they seem to be making good progress, Like this is the right thing to
548
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.480
do when you're running a game Found
and you're trying to get word out of
549
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.679
it. So they're they're doing the
right things the via the visa v what
550
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.880
you should do and yes, and
it seems to be they seem to be
551
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.119
doing it better than last time.
That's all well and good. Is there
552
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:34.639
a reason though, that these these
game Found updates are nowhere linked with Ghost
553
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.480
Galaxy? Yeah, because their media, Well that would be that would be
554
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.519
extra work. I understand, I
understand, but we knew we need thing
555
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.119
centrally located. I mean the idea
when we if you didn't back game Found,
556
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:52.480
you don't kind of don't care,
But can't you bury that in one
557
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.400
of the threads so if you are
on their actual website you can still find
558
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.880
it, but it's not the major
items, so it can still be lost
559
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.360
anything with it now, Like why
would they push it on their main page
560
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.119
anymore? Well, you say that, but we also didn't have a single
561
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:12.000
link for worlds that happened, which
was their own event. I just I
562
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.360
think there's a lot of missed opportunity. I'm not disagreeing that there is a
563
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.840
general lack of interesting content provided directly
from gg. I just don't think the
564
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:30.719
game found being linked there would be
what you would want, right. We
565
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.800
could have a side scroller that could
go ahead, game Found update with a
566
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.760
link to it, man that can
disappear after while. Anyway, that's a
567
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:43.119
lot of coding. I mean,
we don't also never have a game Found
568
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.760
again and be better off. They
don't have a Southerly that can just make
569
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.159
things happen like we do. All
right, custom items. After the deadline
570
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.000
for sumiting custom names and information,
the team went right to work. Guys.
571
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.440
They did not take four to six
weeks here, and they went right
572
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.239
to where getting decks generated for print. This time around, we not only
573
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.320
had to account for the custom decks
and play mets, but also posters.
574
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:13.679
You know what, maybe poster maybe
maybe that's why they didn't want to say
575
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.039
it. It's not four to six
weeks to review. It's four to six
576
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:23.760
weeks of everybody back in the Waterhouse
backing because they actually have the staff to
577
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:30.400
produce the game. So yeah,
Jeremy and Josh, they're literally back there
578
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:37.800
just packing boxes with posts. That's
why they're not getting anything because they're making
579
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.039
product, and you know that that
is that is a tough thing, like
580
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.079
in a really small shop, like
you can't do everything. I just you
581
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.880
know where I stand on the subject. I don't care about more product until
582
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:57.159
I have uh more OP. So
if they had provided an OP plan and
583
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.400
schedule for next year, my Game
Found would have been twice as is what
584
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.800
it was. But I just put
in enough to get a couple of the
585
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:12.599
fancy edge decks because that kind of
interests me from my dumb junk collector aspect
586
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.480
I have. But I just can't
spend money on a game I don't know
587
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.519
what I'm really doing with it.
I'll still keep up fancy edge deck even
588
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:25.920
if I throw away everything else.
But I think that's a really important concept
589
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:31.199
that needs to be like highlighted Star
like say that again, cheap. You
590
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.239
would have spent more money had there
been an actual plan that was presented first,
591
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.320
and I don't think well. I
also would have bitched a whole lot
592
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.840
about it still being a Game Found
because I would rather buy my product through
593
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:49.119
retail, through a retail place I'm
playing games at. But in general,
594
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.360
like at this point, even when
Grimm reminders comes out, I'm going to
595
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:59.599
buy the minimum to support my local
store. No, I agree with you.
596
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.079
I'm just telling you that you're not
the only one. There are others
597
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.400
in our community that have voiced that, and we need to be able to
598
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.960
express it. This is why planning
to be able to attend OP events is
599
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:13.599
really important. Large OP events,
which is what I'm talking about. But
600
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.760
if we want to increase the sales, let people know what the plan is,
601
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:25.239
have a plan put together. Anyway
you're talking to this, you're talking
602
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.960
to the company that made a presentation
three days before they had to present that
603
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:39.280
said yeah, I three, then
say nothing else and then show everybody how
604
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.880
it keep is made. Not that
we don't have videos about that already.
605
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.440
Yeah, I mean just in time
delivery like is a thing. Yeah.
606
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.840
I know a lot of companies are
that they're on the end. They're trying
607
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.239
to do the best that they can
with the with with what they are given.
608
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.719
I know it's a small group and
you joke about being in the warehouse.
609
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.880
It's very possible that we're taking people
in order to be able to help
610
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.519
assist. But the end result is
we have a little higher expectation. I
611
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.239
know that I have very limited resources
for my own work, but you still
612
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.639
got to make it work. And
there's some people who just they don't,
613
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.920
but then there's others that will.
And I find myself in that cab.
614
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.599
So that's why I'm still here,
going well, let's figure it out.
615
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.679
I think this next line in the
game Found campaign was very interesting personally.
616
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.960
This included changing the text font used
to help us identify what custom play met
617
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.239
goes where like, it's a really
odd statement, but there are updates that
618
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:44.320
they're trying to make it more efficient
so that you're not going ahead and having
619
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.519
the wrong product. So maybe that
was an important change for them, but
620
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:54.440
as someone on the outside, it's
very it's a small comic. Sands was
621
00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:00.679
not the right choice. So they
also like we took we took that a
622
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.079
step further by also putting each of
these items in their own box and putting
623
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.519
a printed label on them. So
what they're doing is they're saying, hey,
624
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.800
we actually modified our process so that
it becomes easier for us to be
625
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.039
able to grab this and make it
more efficient. I'm more excited that we
626
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:22.000
are making font jokes on this is
that Sarah or Sands? Sarah, what
627
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.480
do you think, oh, there
are comic sands kind of place. We
628
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.920
know it's all elephants. It's all
elephants. So I can't think of the
629
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:36.639
metric right now, but maybe we
should gamble on some metric of how many
630
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:43.559
orders get screwed up in this game
found because it was significant unacceptably high on
631
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.639
the last one, which is why
they're trying to change it. So I
632
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.519
give them credit there that they identified. I'm not saying there isn't credit.
633
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.400
That's why I'm saying I'm not sure
what the metric is is because I expect
634
00:52:53.440 --> 00:53:00.400
it to reduce, but I'm not
convinced it reduces to a acceptable unacceptable.
635
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:06.039
Now, I guess I'm curious for
our community. That's here me post it
636
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:12.039
in our discord or even the next
section is the great hunt? Didn't didn't
637
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.159
you see the post about the cell
phone that scans all the dextimation. There's
638
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:22.679
no duplicates. It was the light
on there, the lightboard. It's got
639
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.320
his own like pixel three A in
there. That's right, just to make
640
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.760
sure we don't have any duplicates.
Look at it. So maybe it's just
641
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.039
me because work is always trying to
be able to put more curriculum, more
642
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.320
items that are on the plates,
and it's just there isn't enough time.
643
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.440
But that's what I'm kind of seeing
with adventures with the Game Found campaign as
644
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.440
a whole. What really, if
we need to scale back so that we
645
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:54.360
can have an efficient company, how
many people are truly actively engaged in asking
646
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.960
for adventures like I think? And
maybe this is just because I'm coming from
647
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.440
a competitive key for it standpoint that
Keyboardge Adventures is great. We can go
648
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.440
ahead and play in and enjoy it, but it is not. It is
649
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:13.880
not the thing that I am saying. You know what campaign I did not
650
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.599
go and get the Game Found campaign
because of key Forge Adventures. I think
651
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.960
it's so far down on the list. It's like, well, it's already
652
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.639
there, so if it gets thrown
in, yeay. But it's another thing
653
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.639
that slows it off, if that
makes it okay. But key Fordge Adventures
654
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:35.960
is one of the few things they
have very clear metrics on, which is
655
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.159
they know how much it costs to
develop them, they know how much they
656
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.079
sell. It's a very easy one
for them to say this is worth doing
657
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:51.840
now to us, it doesn't provide
value. That doesn't mean it isn't selling
658
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.599
enough out there, And this is
one of those things we've I've kind of
659
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:59.400
touched on it, like we are
super duper out of touch with the casual
660
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.559
player. The number of posts we
all read every week on the discords and
661
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:10.079
the reddits of people who don't even
know that there are key for there wasn't
662
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.800
They didn't even know there was Vault
Tours last year. The amount of people
663
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.920
are interested in keys because they weren't
playing for they weren't posted anywhere I know.
664
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.760
But those people are probably buying these
adventures if they find out about them,
665
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.679
right, Like, there are a
number of people who are like I
666
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.199
backed the first one or I didn't
even know what's going on afterwards. And
667
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:35.639
it's because yes, the outreach is
a trosis, but this is a very
668
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.119
easy metric. They can pretty easily
say, like it costs us this much
669
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.639
to make them, we're selling this
money copies, this is worth continuing,
670
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.920
right, It's an easy thing for
them to do. And I agree,
671
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.480
Like, because they didn't have metrics
I doubt with the first one, right,
672
00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:00.400
the ones they'd gotten from FFG,
but they did they actually might have
673
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:06.280
that data like they might, but
I think a hard thing that those the
674
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.639
proof is the easier to figure out. Yeah, the proof is in the
675
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.320
pudding with the uh gorman Geist.
Right. So I think the same three
676
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:19.000
people that I saw at Extra Crispy
playing gorman Geist over and over against Yeah,
677
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.400
I think there's more than I think
there's more than three. But again,
678
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.079
Kirkman here, adventures isn't something I'm
interested in at this time. Didn't
679
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.119
play Commander, but would be interested
in playing that or multiplayer. I love
680
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.320
drafting formats. Wish I could play
more Cube. Now with this statement,
681
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.440
what I'm really getting at is use
the community. Use the community. We
682
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.039
have people who have invested time,
who are doing Cube, who are going
683
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.920
ahead and do command in the community. No, no, I'm telling you,
684
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:50.119
sheep, stop using resources in order
to go ahead and take away from
685
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:53.719
OPE and the next set and put
it and let the community do that and
686
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.360
instead focus on our OP and the
next There is a world where we're just
687
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:06.159
raw and their money is better spent
overall on selling decks through the junk they're
688
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.719
doing than what we want. Right
that, I hear that we don't know
689
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.280
and they are so cryptic on what
the hell is going on? We have
690
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.719
no idea, but I'm gonna go
ahead and sell something and I'm going to
691
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.519
be slapped for it, but the
end result is right now, other game
692
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.840
companies are doing things. They're the
hot newness that is attracting you, and
693
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:31.199
they're putting together events that you look
at the number of players showing up at
694
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:38.480
your lor ConA crap versus the amount
they're set. I'm like, it's like
695
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.840
they are selling way more than people
who are playing that stuff. That's true
696
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.960
of almost every game. I mean, we think it's a good way to
697
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:53.840
do and clearly, ope and organized
play does lead to sales to some extent.
698
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:01.320
I'm not knowledgeable on that stuff,
but casual non op is also a
699
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.639
very large amount of sales. And
I don't know what the ratio is.
700
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:10.280
I don't know what the ratio and
our game is. But just listening,
701
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.760
even a bunch of the people who
are active in this community, you see
702
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.679
them posting and these people didn't go
to a single event this year, and
703
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.960
they go, I may never go
to event, but I like this game
704
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:30.519
right, Like, oh no,
But it's not critical to everybody. It's
705
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:36.920
critical to us, this cast,
the players here. It is make or
706
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.199
break for this game. That doesn't
mean it's make or break for the game.
707
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.079
I'm saying that local OP is very
different from a large OP event,
708
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.360
and that mean less and less convinced
that's true too. I mean, I
709
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:57.800
think it's important, but I don't
know what the actual numbers and how you
710
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:02.280
show any proof. And like FFG
is a company that has run a lot
711
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.000
of games and made quite a lot
of money and did quite a lot of
712
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.119
OP stuff, so they know there
is a value to it, but that
713
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:16.960
doesn't mean it's the value we put
on it. I will say that I
714
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.840
disagree with that, and I will
leave it there. You can disagree with
715
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.000
it, but neither of us have
any actual facts to support our arguments because
716
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:37.920
we don't know what does offer outside
of its organized play, the same thing
717
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:44.000
all games offer a game, Like
there are lots of games that don't even
718
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.320
really have functional OPI and stuff.
But if I'm a casual player, right,
719
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:55.119
like, how much am I actually
buying? Don't know they well,
720
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:59.320
I don't know if yeah, they
might now right, I mean, I'm
721
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:04.800
almost to the point where like if
GIG could be like, here's data to
722
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.119
prove that they're I mean, most
games definitely have more casual players who will
723
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:15.320
never go to a high end event
unless it's near them or in their city.
724
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:23.320
They they will only go to their
locals to play kitchen table. I
725
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.719
just don't really think is a big
of a thing as it used to be
726
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:32.760
anymore. I keep listening to people
and reading things where their main way of
727
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:43.159
playing is with themselves, like else
to play with decrease our players. It
728
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.840
certainly could be that, and it
could be just that's all they want to
729
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.920
do like that. I'm just saying, like we we often and I'm with
730
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.960
you guys totally, like I get
very much on my bandwagon and I think
731
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.960
what I say and what I am
right, but it there there is counter
732
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:07.480
arguments to what we're saying, and
we don't have fact. We just have
733
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.400
our gut feeling and belief. Well, the fact is that are maybe I'm
734
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.519
not increasing, but decreasing. That
I can tell you. And the amount
735
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:21.920
of decks that were purchased two yes, yes, yes, And the amount
736
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:27.400
of decks that we know that the
decks that we're just twenty eighteen and twenty
737
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:32.920
nineteen were significantly more. The game
has progressed, but right now we have
738
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:39.920
a decreasing populace and we have a
decreasing amount of decks being produced. Oh,
739
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:47.239
there's definitely a de convince between correct. Totally agree, Like there is
740
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:54.159
a reduction in sales, a reduction
in active players. I I don't know.
741
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.599
Yes, there were people that were
at our first KFC that did not
742
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.760
show up, but our second they
were players see it. But no,
743
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.840
no, no, no, Here's
where I kind of agree with Sheep.
744
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.679
You had a lot more events in
twenty twenty three than you did in twenty
745
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.960
twenty two. KFC was the one
and only place you could go and a
746
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:24.920
major event to play key Forge were
probably when it comes down to straight money,
747
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.000
we are pre hiatus to post hiatus
numbers like that's but like that don't
748
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:36.440
have another last that was the only
large event in twenty twenty two, and
749
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.480
from switching from a company who did
fail us to a company who was attempting
750
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.360
to succeed, Like, yes,
there have been huge failures in this game.
751
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.280
All I'm all I'm saying is like
Gigi's decisions may not line up with
752
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.719
what we think are right, and
there may be real numbers behind it.
753
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:05.880
I don't know. I'm also just
preparing myself for disappointment when it doesn't align
754
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.719
with what I think would actually drive
and being able to justify it and be
755
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:15.039
able to suck up and deal with
being more miserable than I am. Now,
756
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.400
I mean, I definitely see a
world in twenty twenty four where there
757
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.519
are no high end key forge amarts. Now I see a world where that
758
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:30.480
exists. I do. I can
see all kinds of bad things. I
759
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.840
can see why before and they go, haha, we got the last money
760
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.440
we're gonna get from you, guys. I will tell you as I in
761
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.360
the Carwookie like, if there is
no vault to her, if there is
762
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:45.840
no large event outside of worlds,
this game for the most part is tanked.
763
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:51.400
It's gone. You have too many
top level key for players that they're
764
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.800
already going ahead and looking for other
games. They're already trying to play other
765
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.480
games because they're not engaged right now. This is also under the assumption that
766
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.800
this is a thing that GG continues
to want to put. Yeah, there
767
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:10.599
is that number which he's talking about. He's posted some things, but there's
768
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:15.320
that other stuff where we heard there's
what seven million printed decks and less than
769
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.199
half of them are scanned, which
means most of them went to casuals that
770
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:25.559
don't care about OP, are they? That says a lot, yes,
771
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.880
But when you're looking at this,
he's also taking twenty nineteen numbers, which
772
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:34.239
again is pre pen. I'm just
saying overall, your content producers and those
773
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:42.000
who are playing weekly in large events
for OP or super large events where you
774
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.079
would consider our vault tour is what
goes ahead and pushes a lot of other
775
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.159
individuals to find the game, to
stay interested in the game, to be
776
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:57.320
talking about the GG already said they
believe in aspirational events. So those other
777
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:03.480
companies you're always competing against the new
hot This is the star burns the quicker,
778
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:09.039
it burns out. But but this
is the some words that don't mean
779
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.480
anything. Larkana is going to only
make it because it is attached to Disney.
780
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.760
No Arcana is going to Lacana is
going to go ahead and make it
781
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:23.679
because Lacana is investing first. If
I if I have, have you gone
782
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:28.559
ahead and seen the second set in
what Hold On Again? It's still ugly?
783
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.440
Let me ask you this, and
I'm just gonna kind of like put
784
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:36.079
a stamp on this. If it
wasn't Disney, if it was called Larkana,
785
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:41.199
and it just had pictures on it. Would you play it? Yeah?
786
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.440
Again, it's another game that's there, right, But that wasn't my
787
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:50.760
question. My question was if it
was not Disney, did you know that
788
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.039
just a couple of weeks ago,
Flesh and Blood had their nation that had
789
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.159
their world tournament that was going on
over in Barcelona. His question still not
790
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:06.440
what I mean that Flesh and Blood
had a bucket of people at their World
791
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:12.159
Championships in Barcelona. And again we
are getting into an argument of comparing a
792
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.440
card game that we play that is
not a traditional collectible building card game and
793
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.079
trying to say it should be the
same as these other games. That's not
794
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:25.760
how it's going to ever work.
It's different people with different wants. Or
795
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:30.440
you push Alliance and you go back
down wookies crazy ass roads, like why
796
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:32.840
is it allies? Just build whatever
you want? Because most of the people
797
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:38.760
play this game are here because they
don't want to play that stuff in this
798
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.199
game, because we don't want to
do what the other games do. So
799
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:47.679
even many, not all, many
people are playing this card game and not
800
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.920
other cards. And there are many
reasons why people won't play this card game.
801
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440
That is true, and that's why
I'm saying you can't compare our numbers
802
01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.000
and our things to other card games
because it's not. But I don't think
803
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:06.480
it's wrong to have I don't think
it's wrong to have aspirations. I don't
804
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.400
I think it's wrong to want more. Yeah, I think the problem is
805
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.400
but hold on my question should still
realize if it wasn't Disney, would you
806
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:24.320
buy Lorkana because what's there, Star
Wars whatever is coming out? To be
807
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.079
honest, right now, right now, I am more engaged with other games
808
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:33.559
that are coming out because there's nothing
from key Forge. But is it the
809
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:40.280
OP that's driving you or is it
the I P? So so here here's
810
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.760
the difference. The I the I
P will drive me to try it.
811
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.480
The OP is what's going to carry
me to be able to play in the
812
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.079
group. And and key Forge has
always been there because of the community.
813
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:57.000
But the end result is if if
any game can put out a community where
814
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.280
I enjoy spending time with that,
I'm more interested to be able to go
815
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:05.000
there. You have how many Markana
events have you been to? To be
816
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:09.400
honest, my family has been to
the ar kind of events. I have
817
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:12.719
made the decision to go ahead and
stay true to key Forge, but it
818
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:17.039
is becoming harder and harder to be
able to do that. It is it
819
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.720
is a true love. I mean, it's important to be able to know
820
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.960
that. And so when your true
love is basically going ahead over in the
821
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:29.520
corner with some random stranger saying I
could care less about you because we're not
822
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.159
going to put OPE events because we
heard you loud and clear, and there's
823
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:36.640
not it's more players than us every
week. Like, there are lots of
824
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:43.479
other games past play. So the
Lorkana, which we're saying, yes,
825
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.319
I would have still tried it.
How about Battle Spirit Saga, no,
826
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:51.640
okay. How about Don Evans nope? How about Grim Path Nope, we
827
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:57.039
didn't play that one. Sorcery nope, nobody's sorcery is there? Actually,
828
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.600
if I have, if I have
somebody to play with, I would think
829
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:08.000
about it. And all these games
have some level of OPE support going on.
830
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:12.560
So a game having an OP support
doesn't mean we care because we're not
831
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.760
in cerative card game players in that
way. But we talked about this,
832
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.880
We talked about this long ago.
So the end result is with OP,
833
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.319
I want it to be something that
is present in our store. Okay,
834
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.800
if it's not happening in my store, it's not happening in my universe,
835
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.359
if that makes sense. And it's
a very centralized focus. So how do
836
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:35.119
you like the result? So how
do you get players into the store?
837
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:44.119
Because questions? All Right, I
don't I don't think running an event is
838
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.279
going like, hey, we've got
an event going on. I don't think
839
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:51.399
that drives anybody new or anybody who
used to play to an event. All
840
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:56.720
Right, we've hit an hour,
and we're also just about to go into
841
01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:01.039
a subject that we've covered almost every
week for the past six months that we
842
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:04.039
know. But now I'm starting to
lean on your Now I'm starting to lean
843
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:08.560
on your side. Well, it
doesn't matter because we don't have any I
844
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.760
mean, like, I don't want
to devolve into almost identical words as to
845
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.680
what we said last week and the
week before and the week before that,
846
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:24.920
because that really does not make great
re listening content when we are same dead
847
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:30.640
horses right now topics anyway, So
we're certainly not, but we're also not
848
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:36.680
covering anything even moderately new, because
nothing has changed in the last Well,
849
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.880
this is the problem when you get
when you get no new news. We
850
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:47.159
got this you know, it's said
with slow motions better than no motion,
851
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:50.920
but we got no motion. There's
no motion in my ocean. So what
852
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:54.880
the fuck is going on? What
do I do? I'm left in a
853
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.920
stuper I'm left in a stupid sitting
on my couch looking at my boxes and
854
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.520
boxxes of key forards, decks that
I don't know what I'm gonna do with.
855
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.479
Well, I have an idea what
I'm gonna do, but I don't
856
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:09.199
know what I'm gonna do with them. I'm gonna go three for I'm gonna
857
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:14.439
go on and I'm gonna see Sheep
come in drop two games, go home,
858
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.239
be more depressed than he was when
he's like and then it's like,
859
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.800
why did I even come? I
don't know why you guys are worried.
860
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:26.199
I mean, Josh is gonna be
here on January eighteenth telling us about all
861
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.239
the great things that are going to
happen, right, Yeah, that's what's
862
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.920
gonna happen, right, I mean, by January eighteenth, I'll have vacation
863
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.760
again, and I'll be able to
drive back up to Minnesota and kick some
864
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.560
ass. You are we gonna go? Are we gonna go attend the uh
865
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.800
oh wait, no, I think
that's going on going live to sheep on
866
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.439
site at the game because he was
running the Ugly Sweater event, which I
867
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:51.640
thought was kind of cool. But
that's have you guys gonnaheadn't even seeing the
868
01:11:51.840 --> 01:12:00.199
difference in amount of players on TCO. Yeah, I players on tc out
869
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.479
because I don't think it's actually indicative
of the real health of the game.
870
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:09.560
What is indicative of the health of
the game at this point numbers We don't
871
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.760
have actual sales, ye, stuff
that we don't have, they don't if
872
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.319
it's just saying very small numbers.
Honestly, I think the Game Found really
873
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:21.560
hits that because people invested in the
Game Found versus going out and supporting their
874
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.520
local stores. So if we're just
looking, if we're just looking all play,
875
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:33.439
trump's oh p play. So you're
saying Game Found is casual play.
876
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:39.279
I'm saying, yep, yeah,
game game Found. I don't know actual
877
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.479
play more than it supports O people. I don't think most I don't think
878
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:49.720
Kickstarter supports casualty over no way.
Yeah, the amount of the amount of
879
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:55.720
people who would I hadn't paid,
and we're paying roughly like large amounts of
880
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.319
money. No way, would I
say that those are casual players? No,
881
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.279
yes, because they don't care about
the games. They can't buy it
882
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.960
in their store, so they might
as well buy it on game found.
883
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:14.520
Like you're also talking about interesting care. These players aren't the players that are
884
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.239
buying it from the game found.
Nine times out of ten aren't attached to
885
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.600
a game store. They don't care
whether the game is because there is no
886
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:24.359
game store. I disagree. I
think if you look at both of the
887
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.159
game found campaigns individuals who are there, you see many individuals from our key
888
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:34.520
Forge community who you're talking about.
I think you're talking about vault to our
889
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:40.000
players, which are different, not
necessarily different, but at somewhat of a
890
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:46.520
different value than just store level aspirational. Even even looking at our own new
891
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.600
player who came back who now has
joined us a second game found, not
892
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:56.319
the second, but the first one
he did, And that's an important component
893
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.640
to be able to keep in mind. I mean, it's really important for
894
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.680
GG to figure out why they had
twice as much on the first one as
895
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.800
the second one, and people didn't
want to give them as much money because
896
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:10.680
they had on the first one and
told us it would never happen again.
897
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.359
Well, they never said it would
never happen again. They harm they said
898
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.800
it it was so it was more
exciting, all right. So there's somebody
899
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:25.520
in the the chat named Little Why
and saying, yeah, Little Why,
900
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:31.279
And what they're saying is, hey
Jr. Six two hundred people backed Winds
901
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:36.880
of Exchange. Less than five hundred
nique players participated in OP in twenty three.
902
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:43.800
Therefore, the majority is obviously oh
caps casual. But the end but
903
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:46.359
the end result is you're looking at
a percent You're looking at a percentage.
904
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.239
You're never going to get one hundred
percent of people who are going to back
905
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.600
again this. You're never going to
get a hundred percent. No no,
906
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:57.000
no, no, no no no. But what you're talking about is large
907
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:01.520
scale OPE versus if you look at
and we don't have that data because unfortunately,
908
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.439
unlike FFG, where we had the
stores that were running events week in
909
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.439
week out, we don't have that. So we don't know how many people
910
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.960
went to their local p but had
no chance to be able to come out
911
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:19.159
to major Vault tour level OP because
one they release dates late or change dates
912
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.319
or when I hadn't moved it,
or it wasn't in an area that would
913
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:30.119
give them a lot of credit that
I don't think is is there like there
914
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:35.520
was enough operation. Now there is
another percentage of this people who yes,
915
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:40.479
did not even have a vault to
or close enough them to seriously consider.
916
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.760
Right, it was even tough for
several Canadians, right, and they at
917
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.840
least could get to North America.
And then there was only one in all
918
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:56.640
of Europe and one other one.
So like there is a portion of those
919
01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:59.920
players. We don't know what that
number is, but it's not going to
920
01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:03.239
be that much. I would guess
if there was, if there were the
921
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:08.640
number of international vaults as there were
US vaults, you might have got closer
922
01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:15.000
to that thousand total number. Maybe, but you're a You're always going to
923
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.439
have more that are going to fall
into. But I'm saying you've got to
924
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:24.600
look at those percentages and see why
OP isn't critical as critical as you think
925
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:34.800
it is, because only a fairly
small portion are participating in it. And
926
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:40.279
maybe this is why we keep making
key Forge adventures, and that is why
927
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:44.760
we keep making key Forge Adventures exactly. I mean, we don't know the
928
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:50.520
numbers, we know them, we
are willing to buy is somewhat proportional to
929
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:57.159
the amount of awesome op events we
can attend. But that doesn't mean it's
930
01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:04.399
true or even the majority of the
player base. And yeah, I'm becoming
931
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:10.319
more and more convinced that although I
think I'm well, I used to think,
932
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.720
Now now I'm like I said,
I'm becoming convinced that I was fairly
933
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:18.439
normal in my buying and playing experiencing
games like that, I'm way out in
934
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:27.520
left field. So I just I
don't even have faith in my own thoughts
935
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:33.640
anymore, because, like I think, our is significantly decreasing from CODA to
936
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:43.840
this point. Yeah, that's that
is that happens in all games does significantly
937
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:49.840
even if we look at from let
me ask you this, Do you still
938
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:55.720
play Magic Chair? Do I?
Yeah? No, I gave you my
939
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.079
cards. I know that. But
that's my point, Like you're always gonna
940
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:04.159
have, You're always gonna I have. I don't have because I know because
941
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:11.000
people leave games like this happens like
today. Yes, absolutely, people have
942
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.520
left the game. And I think
that's because eventually, in the beginning you
943
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.439
were fed this bill that one deck's
all you need. I actually and we've
944
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:24.720
fed ourselves alive. Well, it's
all about player skill, but I would
945
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.199
argue that my amount of decks that
I'm picking up has significantly increased, so
946
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:33.840
you have some sure and so as
a result you need to keep that in
947
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:38.840
mind. We're not just going to
you. I think the amount of anywhere
948
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:43.880
near an average key forards player anymore
in interest in the game, wanting to
949
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.680
do things. Whatever you are,
you and I have completely you have,
950
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:53.119
actually, yeah, you have.
You have possibly surpassed me in key forde
951
01:18:53.960 --> 01:19:00.279
like high level play commitment. I
don't have a kid, or I don't
952
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.880
have as many kids in quite as
many family things, so I'm a little
953
01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.279
easier to get away than you.
But I don't know. I think you
954
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:10.439
may be putting in more effort on
that stuff than I do these days,
955
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.960
and well, any effort is more
than none, so yes, but there
956
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:20.640
is no effort to be put in
because we're not doing anything. But I
957
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:28.439
wonder as just a dumb percentage number
of people who would have been considered magic
958
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:35.600
players to actual number of people playing
magic right, like, over the course
959
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.279
of the game, there are a
lot of people have come and gone and
960
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.920
do not come back, And I
wonder what's that number, because I don't
961
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.359
know that that game has at least
a million active players, probably more.
962
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:54.239
Have they gone through fifteen million players? Fifty million players? And then do
963
01:19:54.399 --> 01:20:00.399
you count dabblers versus players, because
there are a ton of peop people who
964
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.279
bought one, two, three,
or four key Forge decks said eh,
965
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.920
that's kind of neat, not for
me, and we're done. They were
966
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.399
never keyboarded players, right. They
checked it out and said this is we
967
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.840
do that with all kinds of games. Right. People do that all the
968
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.319
time. They're not players. They
were never going to be a player.
969
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:20.239
They checked it out. It wasn't
their taste. They went on. And
970
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:24.239
then there is a large number because
we all know we all used to have
971
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:28.119
locals with twenty players at them and
now we have locals with four players at
972
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.479
them. So there are definitely people
who were showing up consistently pre COVID that
973
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:36.439
aren't here now. Why they're gone
gg got data because they hated that they
974
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:44.560
had junk decks they couldn't play.
Alliance didn't solve that. Alliance did not
975
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.920
bring those players back. Those players
are not showing up at our locals anyways.
976
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.239
Maybe other people are having more success, but they're not showing up at
977
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:55.600
our locals. And maybe that's because
we don't say every week we're going to
978
01:20:55.640 --> 01:21:00.960
play Alliance. I don't know,
but that hasn't worked. Who knows?
979
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:10.760
Right Like that, the pre COVID
pre ffg players to now is I don't
980
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:16.039
actually think a number. I don't
think it would be the right thing to
981
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.520
chase at this point. Again,
we don't make the decisions. We don't
982
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:24.079
really know how anything's going to turn
out. It's just not the route I
983
01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:26.920
would chase, right, I would
be trying to find the people who had
984
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.680
bought stuff on the last game Found
versus this game found. But even looking
985
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.600
at those numbers, that has changed, that decreased, Yes, but you
986
01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:41.880
are assuming it's because there's no op. We did definitely have aspirational op last
987
01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:45.439
year. If there was a bunch
of store op, does it get better?
988
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.159
There are a number of people that
that is meaningful too, because we
989
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:51.319
see those posts two. But that
number that I see doesn't feel like it
990
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:57.359
equates to the other ninety percent that's
another and or fifteen percent of that population
991
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.880
where what what is the opinion of
the rest And all of our numbers that
992
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:08.520
we have available to us is based
off the number of things we see online,
993
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:15.000
which means they're already the vocal minority. We we don't have real meaningful
994
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:20.439
numbers to go from. We have
the vocal minority from every game is able
995
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:29.239
to go hide push often that has
not actually representative of the majority. It
996
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.399
may not be represented of the majority, but it does have a way to
997
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:38.840
be able to push each in every
single game that they are interacting with to
998
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:47.720
an extent. Sure, having content
providers and personalities and people in games does
999
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:54.399
generally provide value, for sure,
But that doesn't you know, Like I'm
1000
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:58.880
just saying, like we don't like
even when we try to do the thing
1001
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:00.840
where we know we have the most
thing and somebody put up a thing on
1002
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:08.680
Facebook and yeah on the Facebook reddit
like it was still one hundred and something,
1003
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:16.520
replies like we just have no way
to get meaningful numbers from even ten
1004
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.439
percent, Like we can't get data
from ten percent of the people who back
1005
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:27.520
the first game phone to even start
to have a statistically meaningful amount of data
1006
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:31.439
to make decisions on, right,
we have data from two hundred of the
1007
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:36.439
most dedicated people we see, and
we're trying to make a lot of value
1008
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:43.159
judgments on that, and it isn't
It isn't statistical numbers to make value judgments
1009
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:47.520
on. I mean, it's two
hundred winers. What you need, what
1010
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.119
you need to understand is out of
those two hundred hardcore fanatics, when you
1011
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.560
start to see fanatics, we're willing
to go ahead and go into other games.
1012
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.199
That's a really big turning point.
And that's what's right now because I
1013
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.760
am seeing multiple people who are hardcore, who have invested heavily, were saying,
1014
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:10.039
you know what, I'm going elsewhere? Are there? Is that?
1015
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:16.600
Not? And and definitely a role
I have been playing in my online persona
1016
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:25.279
is the extra attention you get for
being a clown about leaving a game when
1017
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:30.119
you're upset. There is an amount
of that going on, definitely from me
1018
01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:34.760
right Like, I'm not anywhere.
I'm not worried about you sheep. I'm
1019
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:39.439
worried about the people who frankly are
quiet and just telling you, well,
1020
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:44.319
we have no controller that you're not. This is a number that you don't
1021
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.840
actually know exists. This is a
number you're pretending to have that we don't
1022
01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:53.359
have. It's not a pretending if
you actually is pretending you don't have a
1023
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:58.199
number, you might have one or
two people you know who are probably gonna
1024
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:02.119
check out. I'm to tell you
that that number is higher than one or
1025
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:09.319
two from what I am seeing online
talking to individuals and being willing to listen
1026
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.159
to individuals who are in their community. And maybe that's the difference between me
1027
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:18.159
and GG. They're not I'm not
hearing it, but I'm a very vocal
1028
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:24.680
minority of people, and the people
are are like me and making it aware
1029
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:30.720
that they are willing to quit this
game because this shit sucks. They're doing
1030
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:36.199
it vocally for a reason because when
people just as we have a good game
1031
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:40.039
and we want to be able to
see the people that purchase the most.
1032
01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:47.840
Don't know x Ray No, I
mean absolutely x Ray was a big buyer
1033
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:54.680
post pandemic. Is he's I mean, he's bought decks, but he's not
1034
01:25:55.239 --> 01:26:00.640
thing like my understanding is I think
reap out bought a crack ton of whoa,
1035
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:05.560
but I don't actually know. Yeah, well, all right, well
1036
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:11.079
in the theory, in the theory, is it hyper Is it the two
1037
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:15.600
hundred hyper competitive, hyper focused,
hyper dedicated people that are buying more decks
1038
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.560
or is it you know it is? Or is it the sixty three hundred
1039
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:25.760
other people who purchased decks. Well, I think it's it's Dan b because
1040
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:30.199
he now has eleven thousand and six
hundred decks marked his own the Okay.
1041
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.720
I have met dan Bee and talk
to some of the other people up there
1042
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:40.359
around him, and my understanding is
of the last several thousand, he quit
1043
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:45.239
scanning the decks in unless it looked
interesting. So that number is way more
1044
01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:48.600
than this, potentially quite a lot
different. So he has two hundred and
1045
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:57.399
fifty six winds of exchange decks,
okay, which is not a He's no
1046
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:01.720
Vault Masters so went to no Vault
Tours. Then my assumption, yeah,
1047
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:09.119
he's Canadian. Like that's my question. Is it the two hundred dedicated people?
1048
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.560
Is it the two hundred dedicated people? Did they outweigh the sixty three
1049
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:19.239
hundred casuals? Clearly not. Because
I hate to tell you, Gigi,
1050
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:25.439
as much as we want Vault Tours, that we can go hang out with
1051
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:28.960
everybody and hang out with each other, because I think the main thing that
1052
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:32.399
I'm hearing here is we don't want
to all lose each other. Well,
1053
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:35.760
it has nothing to it has nothing
to do with the game. If we
1054
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.840
all agreed that we were going to
play game x Y. If we're all
1055
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.920
gonna go play Larkana tomorrow, I
think we'd all be just as happy.
1056
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:50.119
Now let's just say you were just
just play lor Kana is now an algorithmically
1057
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:59.880
generated game. It's the same as
Kyfork. But but I think that they
1058
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:04.079
key forde to Disney is that it's
just it's it's key Forge Disney themeed.
1059
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:15.720
I'm just saying, if we all
started playing the same game tomorrow, you
1060
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:19.199
you are right. There's an amount
of dragging onto this game because the friends
1061
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:25.279
I have made in it are valueable
to me and I don't want to lose.
1062
01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:32.000
But but that's what I'm saying.
So that because when it comes Corsy
1063
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:36.840
and Wookie, your three guys,
that without key Forge, I may I
1064
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:44.279
would guess within six months we would
be down to Merry Christmas and that would
1065
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.640
be the end of our meaningful communications. Probably like that that's the truth,
1066
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:53.520
like I or if it's never going
to change, Hey sheep, where we're
1067
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:57.720
playing after this game takes a ship
and then we're not going to agree because
1068
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.640
probably not. But like the fact
of the matter is that the sixty three
1069
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:06.800
hundred people are always I'm going to
Gander. You can call me crazy.
1070
01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:12.199
I have no data to support this. They bought more than the two hundred
1071
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.840
dedicated people. Yep, that is
how math is going to work here.
1072
01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:21.439
I mean in theory, right,
No, in practicality, Well, if
1073
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:26.640
your math like to get like,
if they all spent ten dollars, right,
1074
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:30.000
that's sixty three thousand, and to
get two hundred people to spend sixty
1075
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:36.960
three thousand is a lot. So
right, that's three thousand something per person
1076
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:44.880
and the lot. The bummer of
it all is that Gigi is always in
1077
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:50.079
forever. Any company is always in
forever, going to listen to the money.
1078
01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:56.479
Well, the money, the money, right, the money. Well,
1079
01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:00.920
any successful company is going to listen
to the money. And the problem
1080
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:05.920
is is that these success and they
have they don't know about local op.
1081
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:11.439
They have no clue on because we
basically didn't have it last year. But
1082
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.680
basically the short and skinny is I
mean, if you look at it this
1083
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:23.560
way, the Vault Tours were as
extreme financial loss because they placed a high
1084
01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:30.760
monetary amount for winning. Now,
no, no, there is a cost.
1085
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:34.039
There is a cost and everything you
do. Yeah, that was that
1086
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:40.600
was fifty thousand dollars, right,
like the prizes were just a pre defined
1087
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:44.880
cost. I think what is killing
probably the math is when they look at
1088
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:51.520
the operational cost the prize costs for
the prize costs was in some extent out
1089
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:55.960
of a different bucket already spent.
Like they said, that's fine, that's
1090
01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:00.680
gone. It's the operational costs of
it. I think it to fly.
1091
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.000
But the operational costs would have been
covered from those who attended for the most
1092
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:10.640
part. No, yeah, I
know that's not true. We ran this
1093
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.079
event. We know that's not true. I'm telling you that the numbers that
1094
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.199
are there, you would have been
a lot closer versus sending another ten grande
1095
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:23.520
out on it. A lot closer. But you can put it to put
1096
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:27.840
it as marketing. You can put
it as marketing. They are they Yes,
1097
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.920
you have to look at the two
numbers. But if I if I
1098
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:34.079
run TV ads saying that key Forge
is running a vault to her at my
1099
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:39.039
local blah blah blah, I don't
know if that drives anybody to go to
1100
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:44.199
the local blah blah blah. I
don't know how many people go as a
1101
01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:48.680
result, Like I mean, I
don't think you get as many people as
1102
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:53.520
the TV ads going to cost,
so the costs outweighs what you're looking to
1103
01:31:53.600 --> 01:32:00.000
do. TV ads is U and
what they're doing now is is is just
1104
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:05.399
it's it is marketing but well marketing
on it cheap and it is what it
1105
01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:12.840
is. But you can't marketing is
marketing. Marketing doesn't like you can't market
1106
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.039
it either hits or it doesn't.
Well. Okay, So here's metrics that
1107
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:18.479
they actually are going to be able
to develop by the end of this next
1108
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:26.880
year. Probably is they have a
clearish set of numbers that said we've had
1109
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.319
a game found that this this successful. Reduce it some because it was the
1110
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:33.880
first one. We had a season
where we only ran big ass OP and
1111
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:39.359
at the end of that we had
another game found and it was half as
1112
01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:45.640
big, So that's less exciting.
And now potentially the next season we see
1113
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:55.000
a whole bunch of to extend organized
local play and probably a smaller I mean,
1114
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.720
most of us are expecting a smaller
Vault Tour season next year, but
1115
01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.680
they're we're expecting something like I think
that's reasonable, a bigger investment in local
1116
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:05.720
play, a smaller investment in OP, and then they're going to be able
1117
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:10.119
to run because they're gonna do it. They're gonna run another game found and
1118
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:14.800
they're going to be able to say, like which of these seems to be
1119
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:20.920
more successful? And all these numbers
are have flaws in collecting them because time
1120
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:26.720
and already loss are things, but
you can't have perfect numbers. But they
1121
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:30.359
will all have very clear numbers like
we invested money this way and we got
1122
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.800
this. We invested money this way
and we got that, and that will
1123
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:39.159
help them make a decision for the
next season. All we can say is
1124
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:44.840
we think investing in local OP and
having a vault tour thing would help build
1125
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:49.359
players. We won't know until it's
tried, and we you know, we'll
1126
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:55.680
see what they determine is their course
of action because we don't get to decide
1127
01:33:55.720 --> 01:34:00.920
it. We're just here to get
to live through and it. So those
1128
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:05.000
are real things that can happen,
right. They can change how they're running
1129
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:11.239
OP and see if the numbers go
up or down. I try to determine,
1130
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:19.399
you know, how to change how
they're spending money next year. Yep.
1131
01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:26.319
Well, fingers crossed that they figure
that out well, and I think
1132
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.159
they are going to figure out.
And I think the unfortunate part that everyone
1133
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:34.319
has to come to grips with is
that local OPI is going to take much
1134
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:44.439
heavier seat than Vault to her play
and and that's fine. I mean,
1135
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:49.720
that's how the game started for us. True, Yeah, I think there.
1136
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:59.600
I think there also needs to be
some form of thought that eventually that's
1137
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.760
what you're going to that's all you're
gonna have. Well, you're not getting
1138
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:09.039
that from Sheep because he's already officially
announced he's gonna stop thinking fair. But
1139
01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:14.840
like, they're not seeing a return
on Vault tours. This is why they
1140
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.920
didn't want to run them in the
first place and try to third party source
1141
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:21.279
it. You didn't set yourself up
for success this past year, and so
1142
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:26.119
you can't utilize that data. The
end result is not there. All right.
1143
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.800
Well, I mean I don't know
what another year is going to bring
1144
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:31.920
us, though, I think you're
gonna see me very very similar, even
1145
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:38.640
if I release something on February whatever. Let's let's let's just say February fifteenth,
1146
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:44.039
day after Valentine's Day, I release. Here's your Vault tour schedule for
1147
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:49.920
twenty twenty four. Here's your US
States, here's your oversea you know,
1148
01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:54.399
here's your non us your dates,
here's your locations, here's your dates,
1149
01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:59.800
here's your location, make your plans. I still think you see roughly this
1150
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:08.279
same amount. Let Jr. Answer
first, compared to this year percentage wise?
1151
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:12.399
How many more people what the vaults
had had they had like this clean
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like this is the exact schedule,
everything's open. You know what you can
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and can't do, Like how much
bigger would the events been? I think
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at best five percent. And I
think that's a really drastic extension because I
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think that I think I think that
you're using more, but I think that
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we're losing more people because we're waiting
in this time period. Who are we
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01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:44.680
losing? We're frankly right now,
I'm right on the cost to go ahead
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and say I'm going to play another
game. I think a lot of us
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are like, if that's where I
am man as someone who is competitive and
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actively engaged in but you have you
are not far further edge of the average
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player, then you're you're far from
the center line of this game. I
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don't I don't think that you just
I think that the casual people are like,
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hey, fine, I'll go ahead
and play if it's there, I'll
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01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:16.880
play if it's not, but I'm
not. If it's a local VT that's
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01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.119
close by, fine, I'll come
and play. But if it's not,
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01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:25.279
okay, who cares? But they're
not someone who's engaged, who's spending frankly,
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01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:29.359
a ton of money on the game
Found, but you're not. You're
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01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.600
not. The people who are spending
a ton of money on the game Found
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01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:36.800
aren't even scratching the surface of what
they're making from the people who don't don't
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care. I'm telling you, Wookie, I don't think that they're making enough
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01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:45.760
money from what's there. I think
so. I think that they have sold
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some decks to Frankly, their distributor, and it's sitting there. I think
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01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:56.000
there are more decks willing to go
ahead and be frankly slashed because people aren't
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01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:59.800
buying them. I think it's the
game stores who unfortunately are being stuck with
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and that's really sad because the game
is amazing. What do you think has
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01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:06.960
decks? I think that right now
they're just sitting. I don't think they
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01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.560
very much. I don't think that
we're selling. I think I think that
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if you're going ahead and looking at
it, that we're not going a hot
1179
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:19.079
in selling decks even from the woe
that was there, the whoe what with
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01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:24.520
people if you're not if you don't
have a local group we have in our
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01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.600
store, I mean the store is
probably not moving any decks. That is
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one hundred percent. If you don't
have a local like we have, your
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01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:36.039
store probably didn't order any decks.
Well, that might have got them to
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01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:41.760
order a box. But I know
what you're missing there is that GG has
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01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:47.039
made it clear they prefer direct to
customer sales. They want you to buy
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01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:51.279
their crap through game Center, or
they want you to buy it through the
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01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.760
Game Found. They don't they go
stores. They make way more money,
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01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:03.840
way more money. And that's why
internationals are absolutely screwed in this situation because
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01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:10.199
there's no good way for them to
direct profit on the internationals. You have
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01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:15.600
to use distribution once you leave this
country to effectively sell to those and that's
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01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.960
why it's not happening, because it's
stupid and expensive and they just get to
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01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:25.720
make more money by not having game
stores. You're like, over eighty percent
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01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:30.880
of the original Game Found was North
America based. Yeah, and then I
1194
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:36.720
don't know what the numbers are.
Can probably sit down and do some math,
1195
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:42.039
but We could definitely sit down and
do some math. Maybe somebody wants
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01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:47.479
to do that. How many more
boxes do they have to sell through retail?
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01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:53.279
It's almost double to make the same
amount of money because they make nearly
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01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:59.119
double selling direct, if not more
than double selling direct, then they do
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01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:06.239
selling through distribution like double. It
takes a lot more when you're selling direct
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01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:13.520
or when you're selling through distribution.
So you know, like I I fear,
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01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:15.079
I still fear that that's the route
they're going to go. They kind
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01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:21.199
of keep talking about and sure they
threw us about this is this is the
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01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.079
route they're going. Yeah, they
could just be pushing more and more towards
1204
01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:30.319
directed consumer all the time. I
mean, it's number one. They we
1205
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:39.279
know how awesome the experience with an
asthma day repers. It's great zillar that
1206
01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:44.079
the whole asthma day disaster is well, and that's exactly what it is.
1207
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:47.479
It's a disaster. So I'm going
through asthma day and they know it's a
1208
01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:53.079
joke. You can't tell me that
you have all those educated people in there
1209
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:59.079
who have dealt with the answer.
If they're not using asthma day, what's
1210
01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.079
so saying no, no, no, No, I'm saying, what's the
1211
01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:08.000
answer for getting product to stores if
they don't use asthma DA exactly what they
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01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:12.439
did? No, the game the
game found with a option you can order
1213
01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:17.239
once through Game Found which was like
forty total stores or something that was not
1214
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:20.920
a very big number. That's no, that's not real. That's not a
1215
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:27.159
real way to do distribution. Distribution. You either set up direct, which
1216
01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:32.600
works just fine when you're selling the
average store a case of product, right
1217
01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:42.600
like magic distribution, like direct distribution. When you get to the amount that
1218
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:46.720
most stores buy for KeyForge and the
scale, like they want to buy one
1219
01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:50.640
or two boxes, and direct sales
one or two boxes is awful on shipping,
1220
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:55.600
It's just awful on things like most
stores just want to buy stuff through
1221
01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:58.119
they're one or two distributors they work
for. They don't want to have to
1222
01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:02.880
have fifty two direct accounts to buy
it everything Like direct accounts are great if
1223
01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:08.399
your big time, if you're not
big time, like that is more work
1224
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:12.479
for a storm manager to deal with. If to order key Forge, I
1225
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:17.000
have to log into another portal and
pay a different bill and track it totally
1226
01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.039
separate from everything, like it's just
it is all a ton more work,
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01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:25.880
which is great. If we're talking
big time, we're not talking about okay,
1228
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:31.399
so let's be honest, we're not
talking about I'm saying they're still going
1229
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:36.840
to be through a distributor, and
all distributors suck. Asthma day it sucks
1230
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:42.359
the most. I don't actually know
if they suck the most, because Alliance
1231
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:48.119
sucks. Ac D used to be
kind of good, but now they who
1232
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:53.159
wasn't stuck anything and they kind of
suck. And there's the weird ones.
1233
01:42:54.039 --> 01:43:00.760
There's Southern hobbies to just do.
They didn't have anything to do with gaming
1234
01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:04.720
products until well one there was so
much magic being moved to that they could
1235
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:08.439
get in on that. And then
there's a lot of places where for a
1236
01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:12.359
while Southern was getting better than some
of the other ones. So you just
1237
01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:16.680
use them because they sucked less,
but now they suck. And Peach Tree
1238
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:19.399
is another one, and I don't
actually know if they suck or not,
1239
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:27.560
but we don't use them very much. Like distribution Asthma DAE is garbage,
1240
01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:35.319
but it's sort of unnecessary evil in
the way things go right now. And
1241
01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:39.680
none of them, none of them
do a good job of saying like Hey,
1242
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:43.920
we got this new product you want, because every one of them has
1243
01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:48.399
an employee who has a lot of
stores and a lot of stuff to take
1244
01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:51.439
care of, and unless you're a
big guy, you don't get that much
1245
01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:58.600
personal attention. Well, I know
that we have beat this horse many a
1246
01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:01.800
times. We've added some new idea
in, we've talked for a usual hour
1247
01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:09.239
plus well beyond this ninety minutes.
But now I want to know. Well,
1248
01:44:09.319 --> 01:44:12.279
the short answer that I'm gonna go
ahead and say is I love this
1249
01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:15.039
community. I miss it dearly.
I'm hoping for a Christmas miracle, but
1250
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:21.079
but this again has kind of depressed
me from what's there. So I love
1251
01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:25.600
you guys. May the forge be
with you. I'm saying, yes tonight,
1252
01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:30.760
they may not be as far from
the best answer they can deliver,
1253
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:36.560
then they then than we really are, right, Like, there isn't an
1254
01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:45.000
easy decision in some of these things
that just is better. That's what you're
1255
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:47.199
saying, is they're in the best
situation we can have. Well, they're
1256
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:53.359
not in the best situation we could
have. I'm just the situation what we
1257
01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:58.119
have. It hasn't all all been
super bad, and like, really,
1258
01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:00.520
my biggest problems that I've had is
that, well, one we haven't had
1259
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:04.800
local opie, which I think is
critical, and then general opie structures have
1260
01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:12.640
been not fantastic. But like,
we gave them a lot of credit for
1261
01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:15.479
the amount of stuff they did suck
up and run last year, and they
1262
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:21.399
are making product and they are doing
things. Yep, and we hope for
1263
01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:27.560
bigger stuff next year. Yeah.
Well, hey, I'm looking to set
1264
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:30.399
up a big thing over the holiday
at my local store. I'm working on
1265
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.319
the details, but I'm gonna post
some stuff in the local discords. I'll
1266
01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:36.640
probably post in this discord here too, in case anybody's in the Philly area.
1267
01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:45.279
Maybe I'm thinking maybe three Deck Anti
Survival, every deck, different set,
1268
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.960
because my game store has every set
in stock, so come to the
1269
01:45:50.000 --> 01:46:00.760
games keep in Westchester, Pennsylvania.
But yeah, we're gonna do something with
1270
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:08.560
that being sad, we'll see y'all
next week. Thank you for listening to
1271
01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:55.279
our shortcast. Yes, thank you
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