Microdosing for Healing, Explained by a Microdosing Guide

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Hello.
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Excited to be back with you guys this week.
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I have an amazing guest on.
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Her name is Po Hong Yu.
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I would love for you to share with our listeners what you are all about, what you are up to in this world.
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I'm super excited to be here with you and have this conversation.
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and I love at the beginning before we recorded that you said,"Let the magic and words flow through us, but also have fun," and I'm all about that.
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Yes
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and that kind of leads into one of the parts that I wanted to talk about, which is play.
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You know, I think play is really on the top of my mind these days and how important it is.
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that's connected to the inner child work that I have done personally as well as with my clients.
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But I am a microdosing guide.
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I'm a licensed acupuncturist.
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I'm a somatic healer, spiritual mentor, coach.
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many of us have so many facets of our work, which is incredible, and I love supporting midlife clients, women in particular, but also some men to move through their midlife initiation and rebirthing process, and that includes their peri/menopausal journey, as well as their sp- spiritual expansion because I find so many people, including myself, as someone who's turning 51 in a month, am personally experiencing this rebirthing process.
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So there's lots to talk about, so many
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yeah.
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we can get into
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oh, where do I begin?
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Because I love all the things.
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I think it's so cool that you're so multifaceted, first of all, so we have to get into all of that.
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But I will start with what you started with, which is play.
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Because I'm finding, just for me personally, even today, I found myself very contracted earlier, just like there's so much going on in the world, and I feel like so many of us are going through some big initiations.
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lots of change is happening, and instead of, being surrendered and in flow, I was like,"Ah, like, how am I gonna do all this?" And then I kinda just tuned into my heart, and I heard,"Get back to play." Get back to a little lightness and some fun.
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So I'm so curious how play is a big part of your work.
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'Cause you said it brings back to the inner child, tell me about this.
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'Cause I think it's important.
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I know our listeners probably, everybody needs a little dose of play right now.
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Yeah, and it might not be in the ways that people might expect.
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So I feel you in terms of, like, there's so much happening in the world.
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I actually wrote a post yesterday about how I was feeling really heavy in my heart because of all the news that's happening and trauma.
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You know, like, it's just my trauma was activated, so, you know, yesterday I was crying a lot.
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but I think there's play even in this deeper shadow work or healing experiences, which to me is about curiosity and exploration and allowing that energy to move, whatever needs to move.
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Like, letting so many tears out yesterday helped me to wake up this morning with so much lightness, and I reconnected to my playfulness, playfulness, right?
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So the play to me isn't that we need to stay playful and light all the time and spiritually bypass, but instead allow ourselves to flow through the cycles that we're naturally going through and allowing ourselves to come back to that space.
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'Cause a lot of times, me included in the past, I had an addiction or attachment to suffering.
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That was something, an aha I had in my late 20s, and I thought to myself,"Okay, why am I in suffering?" I was just in my head constantly ruminating or future tripping or living the past over and over again.
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And then I discovered there's a difference between pain and suffering, and pain to me is just allowing the energy to move, the grief or the rage or whatever it is, and then it moves pretty quickly, right?
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But suffering can literally continue every second of the day for the rest of your life if you really allow it to, right?
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So anyway, that's a long answer to say that I think play is always available for us, whether we, are in the midst of a hard time where we can just be curious or after we move through and come back to that lighthearted energy.
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I agree.
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I, I, I don't think it's just about focusing.
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I...
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On everything has to be a certain way and not feeling the heavier emotions.
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I 100% feel that pain is an invitation to go deeper within ourselves, allow it to have its way with us, and then to your point, it moves.
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It doesn't always stay there.
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But when we are resisting, it, it, it feels like everything gets so sticky.
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Like, it's like it doesn't go away.
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So I love that kind of thought process of just, like, allowing it, moving it, and getting back to some fun when fun can be had.
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And you mentioned that you're working with women that are...
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Is it peri or menopausal or post-menopause and-
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Actually all the stages because they're all having a lot of, life transition periods, and the hormones are still impacting them, and, the biology's still doing its thing.
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So yeah, all the phases.
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Okay.
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And you were saying that you were doing some microdosing with...
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So how does that work?
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Like, tell me about that part And'cause I know you do a lot of different things, but I'm so curious just to start with that
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Yeah, that's a main piece of my business is helping people with microdosing, psychedelic mushrooms.
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I realize now there's a lot of people are microdosing GLP-1s and, all kinds of things.
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So I'm like, I need to make sure that I'm clear that we're talking about mushrooms.
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Yeah
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but I personally have had such a powerful life-changing experience with psychedelics.
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I come from a history of multiple traumas, sexual traumas, and other traumas in my teen, and I was, you know, suicidal.
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I had addictions, you know, depression, anxiety, you name it.
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I was very self-destructive for about 20 years, honestly.
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and psychedelics was the thing that completely changed the trajectory of my life.
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I never thought I would be facilitating psychedelics, but life has a magical way of calling us to do the work that we're called to do.
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And then I was guided to work with mushrooms and, and I love that microdosing is so accessible in the fact that you don't feel high, you don't have psychedelic effects, but it's working on your brain and your nervous system in such a powerful and profound way, but so gentle.
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And I work with a lot of women and people,'cause again, I do work with all genders, but mostly women, that, I would categorize them that they're in functional freeze.
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It's a term that basically means that they're, functional and able to navigate through life.
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They can even be creating empires, right?
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They could be highly functional.
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they're running their household.
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They're building their business.
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everything looks great on the outside a lot of times, but then on the inside, their nervous system is frozen, and they are numb.
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They feel disconnected from themselves and other people and, there's all kinds of feelings that are repressed in their body.
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So I find that this is a pattern for most or all of the people I work with, and I've discovered that microdosing helps to thaw that frozenness.
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It's incredible.
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So if somebody's listening to this and they're like, okay, I...
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They may have heard of fight, flight, freeze, fawn, and freeze is like you're just like kinda checked out, disassociated.
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And you're like I would say that's like typical, like you're in deep survival, right?
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Like you are just to get through it.
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So somebody comes to you,
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Mm-hmm
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how would somebody even listening know that they are in that?
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Because I think sometimes people get so used to how they're living that they don't even recognize or understand that they might be in that
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And yeah, the differentiation is when you're just in freeze, you're, like, stuck.
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you can't even function a lot of times, right?
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But when you're in functional freeze, you're doing your day-to-day work, but then maybe you're coming home and you're checking out on social media or watching, or maybe you can't feel your emotions.
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Like, one of my clients came to me and she said,"I went to a funeral of somebody that I feel like I should have been emotional about, but I didn't cry.
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I couldn't cry." there's a lot of people out there who have struggle to cry.
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and it could be that, they just aren't able to feel any emotion because they're just focused on their to-do list.
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they're just focused on pushing through and getting things done.
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I see that so common'cause I work with a lot of founders, and family office principals, and executives.
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and so they're very hyper-masculine, as I would call it.
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Daoism is the foundation of all of my work, and so it's about yin and yang, yin being feminine energy, yang being masculine energy.
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So I find that a lot of people are hyper-yang, hyper-masculine, so they're very much in their heads all the time.
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They're overthinking.
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They're ruminating or future tripping or, like I said, constantly looking at their to-do list, but there's a disconnect from their body.
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So many of the people in functional freeze, they might not even be able to sense what's happening inside of them at all, right?
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Or even the sensations that they're feeling because the sensations in our body are always telling us messages You know, the body is always communicating with us, so a lot of times they're bypassing that.
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They're not listening to that wisdom
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Mm-hmm.
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I love that distinction that you made, that there's regular freeze, like in a, you know, if, if some, a bear is chasing you and you like freeze and fall and kinda do that, and then there's the functional freeze where you're still able to get by in life and do things, but you're not living at full capacity is, is what it sounds like.
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So somebody comes to you, and I, I know these women too, because they happen to be, you know, my clients too.
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they come and they're in this, masculine energy, and I find that that has some serious side effects to just be operating in that.
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I myself used to be that person too.
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Same.
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Yeah, I'm like,"I'm a reformed one," so okay.
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when somebody's in that state and they come to you, I'm assuming that like you're trying to just get them back into their body, first and foremost, and so is that what the microdosing...
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I know you probably have so many different tools you use, but is the microdosing kind of the entry way into that?
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Yes.
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and it's a powerful entryway because I'll just briefly talk about the science of psilocybin,
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Yeah
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they've been doing a lot of research on psilocybin mushrooms, which is excellent.
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I mean, ancient, you know, medicine people have already known things, but, you know, our modern day really does require science to back it up, and I understand that.
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but there's a couple things.
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psilocybin helps to increase neuroplasticity, which means that it helps us to rewire our patterns that are living in our brain and our nervous system, whether it's our belief system about ourself or about life or other people or our thought patterns or our, addictions and habits.
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All of those things become, ingrained in our body, but when we microdose mushrooms, we have access to a more plastic nervous system, right?
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So when we're young, we have so much plasticity.
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That's why we're able to learn languages so much easier when we're younger than when we get older, but as we age, it becomes more rigid.
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And so I love, using this as a way to really rewire these patterns in our body.
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Second is that microdosing mushrooms increases the blood flow to the amygdala.
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Now, the amygdala is responsible for, trauma responses and our fear center.
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And so now when we microdose, that means we're not being as reactive.
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We're not having all of those fight, fight, freeze, or fawn patterns as much, right?
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We're not feeling as fearful just from microdosing.
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And then also It activates the serotonin receptors, so that means that it increases the mood, cognition, creativity, and it also, decreases the default mode network, which is responsible for rumination and the narratives and the stories that we tell ourselves.
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So all of these things together helps us to create more inner space so that we can really make the shifts and move the needle in a way that is more challenging without it because- We are wired, we're conditioned so deeply for decades, so it really helps to loosen things up and create that space so we can make a change.
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So that's part of the science and then just my own intellectual property and, experience of working with people and microdosing myself, I discovered, oh, it's thawing this frozen part in layers of the frozenness in our nervous system.
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And under the frozenness is where our grief is that maybe hasn't been accessible, or our rage that hasn't been able to be accessible.
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But also, like I said, our creativity, our power, our intuition, our wisdom, like all these things that we want more access to is living under this frozenness
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Oh, that's a beautiful visual and way to say it.
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So I love that.
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It's the thawing out, and then you finally get to access what's underneath that.
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And how long does something like that take?
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What's a normal microdosing program?
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Is it, like, three months, six months, a year?
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I'm curious.
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It's different for everybody.
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I wanna preface that, when we're microdosing, it's not just about popping a capsule into our mouth.
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I come from...
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I'm Chinese American, I was a, like I said, I'm a licensed acupuncturist, so I really bring this, modern neuroscience with ancient medicine perspective.
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The combination of the two is really powerful.
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But I do find that in Western culture, we're taught and conditioned to put a Band-Aid on it, to pop a pill to make the pain go away, which I understand, but it's actually can be really damaging for us because then we don't go to the root and heal what's actually causing the problem.
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We're just focusing on the symptoms.
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And so it's important to say that the person who actually does the integration work, that actually does the somatic practices, that is doing the mindset work or the spiritual work or whatever it is that is important for them, they're doing it alongside microdosing.
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That accelerates everything even faster because, as my mushroom mentor told me, mushrooms are somatic surgeons.
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And so what that means is, I mean, if anybody's listening to this and is interested, please watch the documentary Fantastic Fungi, as well as the, documentary How to Change Your Mind, because you really start to get to know the power of mushrooms.
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Fungi is its own kingdom, and they have these roots that are in the earth called mycelium, and the mycelium is connecting the trees to each other, You can watch that on Fantastic Fungi.
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But that being said, the mycelium is alive, and it's a connector.
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And also, mushrooms help to compost what's on the Earth, right?
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So
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mm.
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if you use that information, you can kind of get a deeper glimpse into what's happening when we're microdosing mushrooms because it's helping to compost the things that need to die within ourself and then be rebirth what wants to reemerge or wants to grow.
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as well as connecting us deeper with ourself and connecting us with other people, with the divine, with nature.
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and so that's a long way of saying that it's important to do the work alongside the mushrooms, partner with the mushrooms, understand the language of the mushrooms, which speak through the soma, through the body.
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And so when we partner in that way, the process is more accelerated.
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So it can take somebody a few months, it can take somebody a year, and of course, there's levels to it, right?
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It really depends on what the intention is of the person, but the thawing process starts pretty immediately.
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It just depends on where they wanna go with it
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Yeah.
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I love that, you're really saying it's not a quick fix.
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It does require...
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I love that thought of having a partnership, and I even would go as far to say even a reverence for the fact that psilocybin, these mushrooms, are just this amazing tool that when used properly and with guidance and all that kind of stuff, can move mountains that maybe we couldn't move before because we were so stuck in our thinking.
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That's the thing I always think about with these.
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Admittedly, I have not ever microdosed.
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I have done a couple journeys that were guided and facilitated by a shaman that had been practicing for, 30 years.
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And so I felt I was in good hands, but I remember So it's like, you know how you're saying it's like composting and it's revealing, so it's letting go, and then it's also revealing who you're meant to be.
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Well, in a journey, I think that's, whether you like it or not, it's accelerated, and it's like, oh, my God.
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it's almost hard to digest in some ways, although I did, but it was a lot.
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And so exactly what you're saying, but I like the thought of it being titrated like that, where it's not just like vroom.
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Like because that can be a lot for people, and I think without the proper guidance, it can actually cause more problems than help
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I love this conversation because it's so important to talk about, because there's two pieces that I wanna say.
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The first is when somebody decides to do a macrodose journey, which is, what you're talking about, high-dose journey, it's so important to do the preparation work as well as the integration work.
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And a lot of times people are doing that on their own, and I think it's so important to be guided through the before, during, and after.
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I found that people have greater transformation.
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They don't feel confused about how to integrate because, you know, when you go through a journey, it can be confusing.
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There's so many things that are coming.
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How do I even digest and understand what's happening?
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And so when you work with a guide, they can give you specific ways on how to integrate this into your life.
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That's the key,'cause there's so many people out there that are chasing peak experiences because they have been, you know, maybe suffering for a while or, you know, whatever the reason, and they just want it to be fixed.
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The key is to really allow yourself to do the work and integrate it and implement it day to day.
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That's when you see the profound transformation.
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So I want to say that piece for anybody's who's interested in doing macrojos- doses.
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And I always like to support people with microdosing before and after the journey.
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Because since microdosing is helping to thaw the nervous system, it's an incredible way to prepare because then now you're entering into the deep dive with more access to the work, right?
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It doesn't feel like, boom, out of nowhere.
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You've been already working with the medicine.
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You're understanding more of the language of the medicine, right?
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Now, the other part is I love microdosing because it is so accessible.
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Like what you're saying, like sometimes going through a big journey is out of somebody's capacity, right?
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Their nervous system can't handle it.
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It's too much for them.
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And so microdosing is such a beautiful and gentle way to do this deeper work without feeling like you just got, blown out of, you know, wherever, you know?
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Into the universe or wherever you go.
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So I think that's really a, powerful way to go, if somebody is not sure what's the first step to, take.
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Yeah, I think that is a way to explain it to our listeners because sometimes people are looking like they've been stuck for so long and they're like,"I, I gotta like do this big journey and I gotta move this and I'm ready and I've been preparing." And so it's like they're primed for it.
00:23:46.549 --> 00:24:03.669
But for a lot of people, I would assume, especially the women that you're working with that are running companies, that probably have families and all sorts of things going on, doing a big hero's dose and going back to work a few days later could be insane.
00:24:03.827 --> 00:24:04.825
It's just a lot.
00:24:04.830 --> 00:24:07.180
So it does take all the integration that you're talking about.
00:24:08.916 --> 00:24:14.740
it just feels kinder and more gentler to me when you're describing, Is it, do you say yang?
00:24:14.776 --> 00:24:15.239
Yang?
00:24:15.593 --> 00:24:16.211
Mm-hmm
00:24:16.275 --> 00:24:33.561
yang energy for far too long, I think it's really that softening and coming back into the body and doing it in such a way where it's not like a big forceful thing, but just kind of, it feels like an invitation over and over again to come back.
00:24:34.239 --> 00:24:43.846
when you're working with these women, like what are some of the experiences they're having when they're like unlocking what's been underneath and just like moving all this energy?
00:24:43.846 --> 00:24:45.200
I'm just so curious.
00:24:45.833 --> 00:24:47.919
Oh my gosh, the range is incredible.
00:24:47.932 --> 00:25:05.365
So i- it's gone from helping people off of medications like antidepressants, helping them off of like Ritalin for ADHD, helping them off of benzodiazepine, like which is highly addictive to the body.
00:25:05.394 --> 00:25:11.396
I've helped people off of, nicotine addictions, alcohol addictions, marijuana addictions.
00:25:11.828 --> 00:25:16.373
Of course trauma healing, right, PTSD, CPTSD.
00:25:16.718 --> 00:25:18.383
there's such a w- wide range.
00:25:18.395 --> 00:25:19.741
Even long COVID.
00:25:19.766 --> 00:25:24.575
I helped somebody who was having long COVID for two years.
00:25:24.583 --> 00:25:28.182
She could not get out of her bed a lot of times.
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.474
she felt like she didn't wanna live anymore.
00:25:30.474 --> 00:25:43.255
She said,"I'm not suicidal, but I'm just so depressed and exhausted, and I feel like I'm going crazy, that I just want to go." And the microdosing completely transformed that for her.
00:25:43.515 --> 00:25:46.527
So there's physical pieces that are healed.
00:25:46.538 --> 00:25:55.082
I even helped somebody, who had Parkinson's to reduce their tremors to zero from microdosing, right?
00:25:55.084 --> 00:26:00.372
So it's not just mental and emotional, it's also physical.
00:26:00.431 --> 00:26:08.203
I mean, because the nervous system is impacting every aspect of our life when we heal.
00:26:08.251 --> 00:26:11.527
We're not just regulating the nervous system with microdosing.
00:26:11.657 --> 00:26:16.053
We're actually healing and rewiring the nervous system.
00:26:16.243 --> 00:26:18.173
There's a huge difference there.
00:26:18.453 --> 00:26:23.307
And so when we heal it from the root, then everything else ripples out.
00:26:23.570 --> 00:26:24.699
Your family gets better.
00:26:24.699 --> 00:26:29.573
So I have another, client who, she was on SSRIs, which is a antidepressant.
00:26:29.576 --> 00:26:30.913
She couldn't get out of bed.
00:26:31.531 --> 00:26:35.662
She was on the brink of divorce, and her son was suicidal.
00:26:36.156 --> 00:26:44.885
when I started working with her, first of all, she got off of the antidepressants within a couple of weeks, that quick, with microdosing.
00:26:45.367 --> 00:26:48.275
she, felt better, so she was out of her bed.
00:26:48.573 --> 00:26:56.078
then our work together with coaching and somatic practices, she was able to save her marriage.
00:26:56.365 --> 00:26:58.538
They're doing better than they ever have.
00:26:58.538 --> 00:27:02.433
They've been married for about 30 years, and that's been incredible.
00:27:02.433 --> 00:27:17.377
But the most profound piece that I witnessed with her was her son is thriving so much more than he ever has, and it's because she focused on her own healing.
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:29.402
I told her from the beginning I know this is a hard invitation for me to ask of you, but in order for you to save your son, you need to save yourself first.
00:27:30.113 --> 00:27:37.064
And the more you try to fix him and rescue him, the more he's going the other way.
00:27:37.614 --> 00:27:49.330
Because innately, we as humans don't want to feel like we're a victim, we're broken, that somebody's trying to fix us,'cause it makes us feel like something's wrong with us.
00:27:49.958 --> 00:27:50.397
उहम्म
00:27:51.411 --> 00:28:14.387
I encouraged her to focus on her own nervous system and her own healing, and because she started healing, the energetics rippled out and her son started healing on his own because he felt safed, he felt he- held, he felt loved and not judged or, you know, like he was a project to fix.
00:28:14.392 --> 00:28:20.259
So now her family is thriving and on a whole new level because of her own work.
00:28:20.259 --> 00:28:26.165
And this is another piece I like to talk about with leaders, and leaders can be a mom in a household.
00:28:26.186 --> 00:28:29.657
It could be the CEO of a huge company.
00:28:30.194 --> 00:28:32.420
You're still a leader wherever you are.
00:28:32.705 --> 00:28:47.083
When the leader is doing their own work, they're the energetic hub, and their energy is literally impacting every aspect of that container or that ecosystem that they are the hub of.
00:28:47.401 --> 00:29:01.116
And so instead of us constantly looking outside at the external and trying to change everything, what if we just turned that arrow inward and did our own work and see the magic that unfolds from there?
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100%.
00:29:03.454 --> 00:29:05.739
It's that whole perspective shift when...
00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:16.855
think of it as when are running old programs or ways of being, and then we finally are able to have some neuroplasticity, create some new patterns.
00:29:16.883 --> 00:29:20.108
All of a sudden, everything is gonna shift outside of us.
00:29:20.118 --> 00:29:23.064
It's like we're operating in a different energetic, different frequencies.
00:29:23.068 --> 00:29:28.201
Like, the whole world shifts, but everybody's so conditioned to,"My life is falling apart.
00:29:28.202 --> 00:29:29.042
Let me focus on this.
00:29:29.049 --> 00:29:30.339
Let me focus on something outside of me.
00:29:30.340 --> 00:29:32.999
It's my work, it's my partner, it's my kids, it's the, it-" No.
00:29:34.176 --> 00:29:44.465
Maybe those things are going wrong, what is our relationship to those things that w- It's like we're the common denominator in our own reality.
00:29:44.465 --> 00:29:48.165
So I'm so curious how, like, how did you get into this?
00:29:48.169 --> 00:29:51.192
So you were traditionally an acupuncturist for a while.
00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:51.839
उहम्म
00:29:52.509 --> 00:29:54.786
How did you start working with the medicine?
00:29:54.787 --> 00:29:59.133
did it find you personally first, or were you training in it?
00:29:59.165 --> 00:30:00.820
how did all that unfold for you?
00:30:01.346 --> 00:30:08.442
Yeah, so I became a licensed acupuncturist in 2011, and I was doing that for quite some time in New York.
00:30:08.747 --> 00:30:15.547
and then like I said, I had, my own journey with ayahuasca, and that was a whole healing experience that I had gone through.
00:30:15.548 --> 00:30:19.952
And I did many years of my own healing work before I came to mushrooms.
00:30:20.298 --> 00:30:31.730
And so I had my own deep dive, my own macro dose journey with mushrooms, and in that first journey, the mushrooms actually called me to facilitate the work.
00:30:32.188 --> 00:30:49.489
And it was interesting because I was resistant at first, only because my ego, didn't want to be categorized with other, plant medicine facilitators because I was seeing a common thread of irresponsibility.
00:30:49.743 --> 00:31:05.512
I don't know, what the percentage is, but, there's people out there that, are just encouraging peak experiences without the prep and integration, or they're, facilitating the macro doses for somebody, in my opinion, too often, right?
00:31:05.512 --> 00:31:07.962
And without giving them the time to integrate.
00:31:08.280 --> 00:31:17.171
so I was noticing these things in the collective, and so my ego didn't want to be seen as one of those people.
00:31:17.526 --> 00:31:20.503
but in my practice, my dad is my spiritual teacher.
00:31:20.515 --> 00:31:22.560
He's been since I was 11.
00:31:22.564 --> 00:31:25.587
He was a Jesuit priest, turned into a Daoist monk.
00:31:25.589 --> 00:31:27.807
He just turned 95 and lives in China.
00:31:28.111 --> 00:31:31.182
but he's been my teacher, around surrender, right?
00:31:31.192 --> 00:31:35.122
Yin energy, the feminine energy is really about surrender.
00:31:35.122 --> 00:31:40.662
And so I surrendered to the call, and I asked my facilitator to be my mentor.
00:31:40.712 --> 00:31:42.372
and that's when I started to do that work.
00:31:42.376 --> 00:32:18.184
And then a little bit later, I discovered microdosing, and it really called to me because I think there's, again, like what you were speaking to earlier, if somebody is hyper-masculine, very much in their yang energy, the best way to transform for that person is the softness, is the gentleness, is the thawing, is being compassionate with themself and not, pushing themself or forcing themself or being a perfectionist and saying they're not doing it good enough, you know, all these things that they will tell themself.
00:32:18.590 --> 00:32:24.151
so yeah, that's how I came to the medicine and, it helped me in so many different ways.
00:32:24.201 --> 00:32:34.518
more recently this year I'm in late perimenopause now, and microdosing has completely transformed my perimenopausal symptoms.
00:32:34.938 --> 00:32:43.243
and so that's very exciting, because it helps with all the things that I talked about, like anxiety, depression, you name it, and so much more.
00:32:43.563 --> 00:32:47.330
I was having hot flashes, I was having sleep issues.
00:32:47.333 --> 00:32:55.501
I felt this deep well of anxiety coming up, like kind of, like, I don't know, something I haven't felt in decades.
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.364
It came up during this perimenopause, the hormones.
00:32:59.365 --> 00:33:08.502
Like, I really feel like there's a convergence that happens during midlife, during our hormonal shift, which is the hormones start changing and decreasing.
00:33:08.769 --> 00:33:18.645
Then, we're coming to midlife and life, we're starting to, like, ask ourselves questions of how do we wanna live the second half of our life?
00:33:18.824 --> 00:33:20.482
What's more meaningful to us?
00:33:20.496 --> 00:33:25.880
Has the way we lived in the past, aligned with how I wanna live now, right?
00:33:25.881 --> 00:33:29.486
Shedding identities, and then the functional freeze.
00:33:29.499 --> 00:33:33.972
So all these three pieces I feel like converge around the same time.
00:33:34.442 --> 00:33:40.713
And so I experienced that deep anxiety that I hadn't felt.
00:33:40.730 --> 00:33:49.742
Like, it kind of felt scary, because I don't typically deal with anxiety anymore these days, not like that, unless it's, a situation that, makes sense.
00:33:49.752 --> 00:33:51.192
But I'm not an anxious person,
00:33:51.212 --> 00:33:51.481
Right.
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And so I started microdosing to focus on my menopausal, symptoms, and it has completely helped me.
00:33:58.646 --> 00:34:02.641
there's a couple things that I'm still working through, like inflammation in my body.
00:34:02.994 --> 00:34:06.050
but overall, it's been game-changing.
00:34:06.057 --> 00:34:14.938
So I'm just so grateful for the mushrooms and all the different ways and parts of life and, relationships and all the things that it helps with.
00:34:14.945 --> 00:34:20.079
So yeah, I'm a devotee and like you said, deep, deep reverence for the mushrooms.
00:34:20.846 --> 00:34:27.014
Yeah,'cause it's such a multifaceted to us, these little...
00:34:27.443 --> 00:34:32.235
You said they're not exactly plants, and they're not ex- like, they're like the little, you know, fungi
00:34:32.268 --> 00:34:33.681
fungi kingdom.
00:34:33.931 --> 00:34:54.215
and that's just so cool that you were able to minimize the anxiety'cause I know when I started going through perimenopause, I feel like this has been a hot topic on my podcast lately, I experienced a lot of emotions that, like kinda like that well that you said, and I love how you were explaining the convergence of things coming together.
00:34:55.219 --> 00:35:07.693
And I think that a lot of women, whether they realize it or not, it is, it's a game changer, and I didn't have the tools exactly back then to know like, oh, maybe I should try microdosing.
00:35:07.708 --> 00:35:16.074
But for our listeners, I think it's like, yeah, if you're feeling those changes coming on and you're experiencing that, to hear that this is, like, such a great way to work with it.
00:35:16.938 --> 00:35:18.264
And I'm so curious.
00:35:18.268 --> 00:35:37.748
I, I have so many questions, but I have to ask this one because you were mentioning your dad and how he was a Jesuit priest turned Daoist monk, But you were saying he taught you surrender, and I feel like besides reading"The Surrender Experiment," that book, I don't know if you're familiar with
00:35:37.875 --> 00:35:39.135
Yes, I love that book.
00:35:39.195 --> 00:35:45.918
I read that, and I was like,"Okay, so this gave me a little context for surrender." And then sometimes I think about the gene keys.
00:35:45.918 --> 00:35:51.635
I don't know if you're familiar with those, but there's one that's like divine will versus, like, our human will.
00:35:52.740 --> 00:36:04.438
But I feel like surrender is one of those things that is so difficult for myself and others, and I'm curious, like, what did your dad teach you around that?
00:36:04.438 --> 00:36:06.873
Like, how did he help you with how...
00:36:06.907 --> 00:36:10.800
I think that could help a lot of our listeners to hear a little bit of his wisdom.
00:36:11.438 --> 00:36:13.375
Yeah, I'm so grateful for my dad.
00:36:13.389 --> 00:36:22.840
I mean, honestly, to receive decades of transmissions from him, I'm like, wow, I'm so blessed.
00:36:23.141 --> 00:36:28.887
because like I said, he's a Daoist enlightened master teacher, you know, monk.
00:36:28.987 --> 00:36:30.340
He wouldn't call himself that.
00:36:30.353 --> 00:36:31.396
That's what I call him.
00:36:31.403 --> 00:36:32.543
He's very humble.
00:36:32.757 --> 00:36:35.501
But he basically, he teaches, you know...
00:36:35.793 --> 00:36:38.175
Students always find him, and he's always teaching.
00:36:38.454 --> 00:36:41.657
and he's still in his purpose work at 95 years old,
00:36:41.791 --> 00:36:42.503
love
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which is incredible.
00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:45.744
He's not on any medications.
00:36:45.746 --> 00:36:46.938
He's healthy.
00:36:47.016 --> 00:36:48.706
He lives independently.
00:36:48.710 --> 00:36:50.697
Like, it's incredible, honestly.
00:36:51.047 --> 00:36:58.130
so he's my role model and inspiration in every way, and also in regards to aging,'cause he has no pain either.
00:36:58.208 --> 00:37:03.219
But yeah, so and I really believe it's because of his practice around surrender.
00:37:03.219 --> 00:37:10.476
And what he taught me, and it took me many years, and still I have, you know, there's of course moments that I have trouble with it.
00:37:10.726 --> 00:37:11.836
It's a practice.
00:37:11.882 --> 00:37:19.987
And, what I have found to help based off of what he said is that It's okay.
00:37:20.052 --> 00:37:24.360
that sounds so simple, but, embracing what is.
00:37:24.795 --> 00:37:42.483
a lot of times what happens is we'll have so much resistance to actually being with what is happening in the present moment, and our mind will do everything to get ourselves out of the present moment and out of our body.
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:48.278
our mind is the greatest distraction for us to avoid surrender.
00:37:48.623 --> 00:37:56.487
And so the m- most powerful thing we can do is to just embrace what is happening.
00:37:56.489 --> 00:38:01.896
So for example, yesterday, like I was saying, I was having an, an activation.
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.842
My sexual traumas were activated, and I felt very emotional.
00:38:07.123 --> 00:38:23.827
And what I could have done if I was resisting would be to numb by either, like, watching YouTube or being on social media or focusing on getting my to-do list done,'cause I did have things that I needed to do yesterday.
00:38:24.318 --> 00:38:24.811
Yeah
00:38:25.016 --> 00:38:28.306
but instead I created space.
00:38:28.641 --> 00:38:39.637
So creating space is the first part of the formula, and allowing yourself and giving permission to actually just not have to do.
00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:52.695
And then just allowing ourselves to just be and relax into that moment and allow ourselves to feel whatever is bubbling up.
00:38:52.853 --> 00:38:54.356
Not forcing it, right?
00:38:54.356 --> 00:38:58.065
We're not trying to control any part of the process.
00:38:58.072 --> 00:39:01.126
We're not saying,"Okay, I need to feel this." Right?
00:39:01.152 --> 00:39:02.605
That's also controlling.
00:39:02.617 --> 00:39:11.657
We just literally are with that negative space within ourselves and allow whatever wants to move and arise.
00:39:12.070 --> 00:39:26.820
And I know this sounds very abstract, but that really is the key, is the letting go of any mental ideas and noticing when we're trying to control the experience.
00:39:27.041 --> 00:39:29.356
It really does come back to meditation.
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:37.514
You know, as a meditation practitioner, and I know a lot of times when I'm teaching meditation people will say,"Oh, I can't meditate.
00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:38.547
I don't know how to.
00:39:38.548 --> 00:39:42.429
I'm not doing it right." But it's not about doing it right or wrong.
00:39:42.429 --> 00:39:49.612
See, our mind is always trying to tell us that things are black or white, right or wrong.
00:39:50.023 --> 00:40:02.958
And instead, what if we shifted the approach and the perspective to Receiving and being with whatever is with gentleness and kindness.
00:40:03.496 --> 00:40:08.139
That's the key, is that soft, gentle, compassionate energy.
00:40:08.425 --> 00:40:24.166
So when my dad would say,"It's okay," even just that little transmission would help me soften my resistance because there was something inside of me that was telling me it's not okay, right?
00:40:24.166 --> 00:40:26.818
That judgment or the ego was telling me that.
00:40:27.173 --> 00:40:31.675
So the breath is a great tool with surrender.
00:40:32.132 --> 00:40:47.275
So just allowing ourselves to breathe into it, but not as a way to bypass,'cause I find that people can use tools like meditation or breathwork as a way to avoid being with, right?
00:40:47.568 --> 00:41:01.925
So It's very nuanced, but I would say the number one thing is just creating space as the first step and being with the present in your body is the main thing.
00:41:01.976 --> 00:41:04.291
And then you just practice.
00:41:04.335 --> 00:41:09.547
You just con- practice being and letting go and embracing and allowing.
00:41:09.918 --> 00:41:12.278
Okay, you see the resistance is coming up.
00:41:12.806 --> 00:41:15.641
Embrace the resistance, right?
00:41:16.222 --> 00:41:20.458
So you find these things that we're like,"Oh, we shouldn't be resistant.
00:41:20.474 --> 00:41:22.376
I, I, I shouldn't be resistant.
00:41:22.398 --> 00:41:27.391
I'm not surrendering." No, embrace the resistance, too, right?
00:41:27.393 --> 00:41:32.893
So you just keep embracing and allowing whatever is arising
00:41:33.465 --> 00:41:42.623
like this is such an alignment with what you're probably helping your clients with, is deeper invitation into the body.
00:41:42.646 --> 00:41:49.371
And this is the territory that I've been living in a lot lately with what you're saying is being with what is.
00:41:49.463 --> 00:41:52.815
I've always loved, I call it futuring.
00:41:52.815 --> 00:41:55.804
It's something I didn't coin the term, but it's something I trained in.
00:41:55.815 --> 00:41:59.177
I was mentored with this, and I love it.
00:41:59.907 --> 00:42:06.733
I have found sometimes instead of just being right here when I'm uncomfortable, I'm like, what can I create?
00:42:06.882 --> 00:42:21.224
How can I go out into the future and get excited about what's possible?" And I found right now, and there's nothing wrong with that, except if I'm using it to avoid the very thing that's right in front of me.
00:42:21.737 --> 00:42:21.746
Yes
00:42:21.856 --> 00:42:26.135
been really in this kind of territory of like, what is happening right now?
00:42:26.135 --> 00:42:27.083
What am I trying to avoid?
00:42:27.083 --> 00:42:28.416
How can I be with it?
00:42:29.324 --> 00:42:30.173
And I think it's...
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people may disagree when I say this, but I think it's some of the deepest medicine you'll ever find in
00:42:36.034 --> 00:42:36.534
उहम्म
00:42:36.744 --> 00:42:38.384
Like, talk about somatic work.
00:42:38.384 --> 00:42:40.599
Like, talk about, like, getting in there, right?
00:42:40.601 --> 00:42:49.463
It's like, it's what allows you to be here now and not create more suffering, like you were saying earlier in our podcast.
00:42:49.478 --> 00:42:52.304
Yeah, it's like it's, it keeps us from cr- creating that suffering
00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:54.474
I mean, this is everything.
00:42:54.485 --> 00:42:56.177
Like, this is the key.
00:42:56.391 --> 00:43:07.536
This is literally the key, and what happens when we are with what is, when we're being with what is Everything opens and expands.
00:43:08.106 --> 00:43:12.315
So the clarity that you are looking for, like I always...
00:43:12.344 --> 00:43:13.650
People are like,"Oh, I need clarity.
00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.882
I'm trying to figure it out." I'm like,"No, no, no.
00:43:15.882 --> 00:43:17.844
Don't try to use your mind to figure it out.
00:43:18.246 --> 00:43:21.059
Just be with the what is, and you know what?
00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:29.018
It will arise." So the creating of space is literally this piece that will answer so many answers for everybody.
00:43:29.393 --> 00:43:32.898
And so that's what creates the magic is being with what is.
00:43:32.914 --> 00:43:42.092
I just came back from a five-day, partial silent meditation retreat at a Buddhist monastery last week actually.
00:43:42.451 --> 00:43:44.405
talk about spaciousness.
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:54.699
It reconnected me even deeper to this work that we're talking about that my dad has been teaching me over the years, but being in practice with community.
00:43:55.088 --> 00:44:00.833
And we were silent for 12 hours from 9:00 PM to 9:00 AM.
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We meditated every morning at 6:00 AM.
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The beginning of every meal, we didn't talk for 20 minutes, and we basically did an eating meditation, so we ate very slow.
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We did walking meditation.
00:44:14.737 --> 00:44:16.958
It was so much spaciousness.
00:44:16.981 --> 00:44:25.936
I found myself crying so much, but not from, grief or, other, emotions.
00:44:26.222 --> 00:44:27.739
It was gratitude.
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I had so much joy.
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Like, just even looking at a flower, I started to cry, or witnessing somebody singing a chant, I start to cry, right?
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Because now I have the space to access under the frozenness, under whatever distraction that I was experiencing before that, I get to access that joy, that gratitude.
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I already know this works but I had a direct experience last week with it that was so profound that just fueled more fire, under me to talk about this, the simplicity.
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I think a lot of times we make things too complicated.
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Our mind wants to complicate everything.
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But really, what would happen if we simplified our practice, simplified the work so that we could actually go to a deeper peace, the root, right?
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Our ego is constantly trying to create distractions from us from going deeper, and I think complication, like trying to do things too complicated, is one of those distractions.
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We have so many subconscious distractions we don't even realize
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And when you're describing the tears of gratitude of, like, the flower or the singing, like, I can feel you your energy, and I think that's the biggest thing for our listeners is, when you come across somebody that is practicing being with what is and creating their own spaciousness, it is tangible.
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it's an experience that you have with another person where you...
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I'm very much an energetically driven being, I feel these things, but it's like I can go, I can hear what you're saying, and I can feel it, and I can feel the slowing down and the spaciousness that you're cultivating.
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So it's just, it's yummy.
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Like, whenever I'm around somebody that's just really here and they're enjoying life, oh my God, to me, it's like,"Yes, please." And then it reminds me.
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It's like a remembrance of like,"Oh, yeah, I gotta come back home.
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Gotta come back to myself."'Cause sometimes I'm, like, in the monkey mind of what you're describing, and my ego is like,"No, you don't have time to meditate.
00:46:53.659 --> 00:46:58.871
You have a to-do list a mile long." it's like I've always said to myself, it's not a negotiation with that.
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slow down first and then go tackle everything'cause you'll get a lot more done
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Yes.
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right?
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Oh my God, slow down to speed up, right?
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I know that's a saying somehow, but basically I found that to be true.
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When we slow down, when we have that spaciousness, then things accelerate.
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The things that we desire actually have more space to be received by us, right?
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Or the clarity comes, So absolutely, that's where the magic happens
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Yeah.
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So are you still using acupuncture?
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I mean, that's a big deal to, go through all the schooling and do it for a while.
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So how does that fit in now with the work that you're doing?
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not so much,
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Mm-hmm
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New York State and I live in Miami now.
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but everything I've done in my life has come together for the work that I do.
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Even, I used to be a dog trainer, so the work I did as a dog trainer informs my work now.
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Yeah.
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It all builds upon itself.
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Cause it's energy work to train a dog.
00:48:03.929 --> 00:48:20.237
so I still use that and I use the teachings, the TCM, the acupuncture, philosophy in my teachings and in my methodology because when we talk about acupuncture, like, it's always, it's talking about the mind-body connection already.
00:48:20.956 --> 00:48:36.961
So for example, I created a modality called anger alchemy because I personally had a lot of rage from my traumas that was repressed in my body, and so I created this methodology because I needed it, and then I started teaching it.
00:48:37.048 --> 00:48:46.090
but I brought in the Chinese medicine because every organ has a different emotion connected to it, and the liver is connected to anger.
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And so I started to see these patterns in the body that was showing me that my patients had repressed anger in their body, whether or not they admitted or realized that they were angry, right?
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So it...
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Mm-hmm.
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So for example, I would notice that when somebody has a lot of right-sided issues, they would have some repressed anger because the liver's on the right side.
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also like tight chest, tight throat, lump in the throat, tight jaw, because the energy gets bottlenecked in the throat when we're repressing emotions, and so this part of our body becomes very tight and tense.
00:49:29.429 --> 00:49:43.367
So there's all these little pieces that I learned from being an acupuncturist and a somatic practitioner that informs my ability to, like, tap into what's happening in the undercurrents for a client.
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Yeah.
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I do find that a lot of the healers I speak to, it seems like they've had a few different lives of like, you know, in this particular lifetime of doing different healing modalities, and they build, right?
00:49:58.847 --> 00:50:00.298
It's not like you lose it.
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It just becomes integrated, and then it's something that you can provide to your...
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people that are working with you, all these different philosophies and gifts.
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So I love that.
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I'm really curious because I know somatic work is really big right now.
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I know microdosing is really...
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I hope, I think it's getting more,
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Mm-hmm
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to understand how helpful it is.
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But I love to ask this question when I have time do you see, whether it's in your own practice or collectively, the future of healing going?
00:50:32.501 --> 00:50:34.288
I've actually never been asked this question.
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I really believe that This piece that I talked about earlier around being the energetic hub is key around knowing that when we do our own work in our nervous system, it will absolutely ripple effect in our family, our community, and out into the collective, but also heal our lineage past and forward.
00:51:07.434 --> 00:51:13.576
so the way I think it's going is, yes, this piece around the nervous system.
00:51:13.577 --> 00:51:16.389
I know that's becoming more popular and talked about.
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I was talking about this years ago, and so it's really cool to hear people talking about it now.
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But I think really bringing this piece into the forefront and not just about mindset work, right?
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Integrating the yin with the yang, right?
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So they're both important.
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The mind is important, and the body's important, and the heart is important.
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So how do we integrate it all?
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So I think that is really the piece as we move forward, is integration.
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Integration, not just trying to, like I said, get a quick fix, not trying to just use our mind, not just trying to work in our body,'cause you can just do somatic practices, but then your mind is not really...
00:52:00.072 --> 00:52:01.418
Your mindset is off, right?
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So all of it, bringing it all together, I think is really the direction that we're going towards, and that's really the foundation of my methodology.
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'Cause I created...
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I talk about something called cultivating mental fierceness.
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and so in my teachings, I talk about how it's important to create boundaries with your own ego.
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Ooh.
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work that I
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say more
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So I found with myself,'cause of course everything that I teach is something that I have discovered in my own healing process first, but I found in my late 20s, I was addicted to suffering.
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'Cause I had a moment where I was like,"Why am I suffering so much?
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Why am I not happy?
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I'm feeling my emotions." But I realized later on that I wasn't actually feeling my emotions.
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I was actually in suffering.
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So the way I describe it is suffering is in the mind.
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It's like, again, that ruminating or the, just, like, replaying things.
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And so I discovered, oh, I keep on going to that story or to that feeling, like I'm fueling the fire of my suffering.
00:53:20.021 --> 00:53:23.797
Oh, because there's a comfortability with it.
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I'm attached to it because it's like a security blanket.
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I know what that feels like.
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I'm used to suffering.
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many years of my life I've been in suffering.
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What would life be like without suffering?
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That feels scary because I'm not used to it.
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And so I realized that I needed to create a boundary with my own suffering.
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And so then that led me to learn and discover that I was using suffering as a way to avoid feeling the pain
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Oh, yeah
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I was using suffering as a way to avoid being in my body.
00:54:05.813 --> 00:54:25.920
So once I started combining the somatic work with this mental fierceness, that's when everything started shifting and, I started realizing, okay, when I'm in suffering, catch it as soon as I can, bring myself into what's really happening underneath.
00:54:26.141 --> 00:54:28.893
What is the thing that you're trying to avoid right now, Po?
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Right?
00:54:29.914 --> 00:54:43.659
And so boundaries are not just about saying yes or no to people outside,'cause a lot of times when we talk about boundaries, we're talking about, saying no to people or making more space in our schedule, which of course is important.
00:54:43.911 --> 00:54:46.532
But a lot of times we don't talk about boundaries with ourself.
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And I'll add this other piece.
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I talk a lot about rescuer energy because the victim triangle, are you familiar with that?
00:54:55.710 --> 00:55:07.141
The victim, the rescuer, and the perpetrator So I found myself in the rescuer role a lot of times in my life because of deep conditioning, my trauma.
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Many of us women are carrying savior, rescuer, identity.
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And so I have taken years to release and alchemize this identity, but I found that, I had to create this boundary with trying to save other people.
00:55:28.983 --> 00:55:38.173
So there's all these different levels of creating boundaries with self that, I think is really important, and starting there is where it needs to start
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Yeah.
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that's so good.
00:55:40.786 --> 00:55:45.594
And there's something that you said about not buying into the story.
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Like, when you were going through your suffering, you're like,"Why do I keep, telling myself this story?" I think when, in my meditation practice, when I started to spend, the first 10 minutes or so just noticing all the thoughts and all the stories, it was like, oh my gosh, if I, buy into that, my whole day is gonna be going in a direction I don't want it to.
00:56:07.726 --> 00:56:11.568
So I would practice just lovingly let it go.
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Like, okay, I'm gonna let that thought go.
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I'm gonna let that story go.
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I'm gonna just let it go.
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Until there was just silence, even if it was just for 10 seconds.
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Mm-hmm
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And I think that practice of not believing every story our brain tells us,'cause I think we, like, are taught that, like, our, our brain is this, you know, thing that's gonna tell us what's going on.
00:56:32.378 --> 00:56:35.735
It's like, no, so much of this is just r- it's old past stuff.
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It's all the things.
00:56:36.391 --> 00:56:44.862
So I love that advice of, you know, training your ego kind of and, and getting into boundaries with self and how we're showing up.
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I think that's a great practice for people to really start to change their lives.
00:56:49.922 --> 00:56:51.054
So thank you for sharing that.
00:56:51.889 --> 00:56:54.978
And oh my gosh, where can people find you?
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You know, do you have anything that is current right now that people can jump into
00:57:01.181 --> 00:57:01.817
Yeah, I have,
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and all that stuff?
00:57:02.751 --> 00:57:05.923
currently I have a five-week program called The Menopause Reset.
00:57:05.942 --> 00:57:07.668
It's a microdosing program.
00:57:08.130 --> 00:57:22.498
I don't know when this podcast is coming out, so it may or may not be available, but on my website taoofpo.com, that's T-A-O-O-F-P-O.com, you'll always find any up-to-date, programs that I have available.
00:57:22.518 --> 00:57:27.922
I usually have a group program, coming up at some point, but I also have one-on-one work.
00:57:27.923 --> 00:57:34.742
So my one-on-one coaching is a VIP level, so those of you who are interested in that, then that's available.
00:57:34.742 --> 00:57:36.262
I have a limited space there.
00:57:36.588 --> 00:57:41.657
but I also have another, container, which is a one-on-one microdosing consultation.
00:57:41.891 --> 00:58:01.034
if people don't necessarily need the ongoing coaching and somatic healing, then I do advising with blends, creating a microdosing protocol, dosing, Setting intentions, and making sure that you're doing it in a safe, intentional, and effective way.
00:58:01.085 --> 00:58:07.648
there's multiple ways to work with me, and I'm always happy for people to email me and reach out and inquire as well.
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Wonderful.
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Thank you so much for all the beautiful wisdom and information that you shared today.
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It was a pleasure
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Oh my God, this was so much fun.
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Thank you for having me