Sketchy, Beautiful, Unpredictable, And Epic - Ski Touring in Iceland

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And I think that's what made it a very successful trip for us,
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because each day we were just like, oh my god, that was amazing.
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And the other part, too, being at sea level,
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you're like, oh, we can climb about 7,000 feet today
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and just ski amazing snow with very little risk,
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looking at the ocean and have an amazing time.
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And for me, that's recalibrated as I've gotten older.
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For me, those are more important than skiing a steep line,
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which I hate to admit, but eventually all the steep lines
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I've skied, I kind of forget them.
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Like I can remember little bits and pieces.
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They seemed super important at the time,
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like worth risking one's life for.
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But 10, 15 years later, I'm like, oh, I kind of remember
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who I did that with and I remember a little bit about it,
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but not that much.
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Whereas I got to say, on this trip,
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I don't think I'm going to forget that anytime soon.
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All righty, Jeff, Jeffrey, Jefferson, welcome back.
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Danger day.
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Good to see you.
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Welcome back to both the podcast and to the states.
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We were just in Iceland for,
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well, you were there for six days, seven days.
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I was there for a little longer.
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It outblended together.
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I think it was a week,
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but man, it felt like significantly more.
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Yeah, it was crazy how having such little nighttime
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led to the whole trip feeling like
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sort of one really long day of adventuring, not like a week.
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Just to set the scene,
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we were leaving Colorado just kind of right as
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the snowpack here is starting to get more predictable.
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You know, we're starting to get those warmer days.
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The corn was starting to be harvestable.
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And then we left to,
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had Iceland where we, well, all of us,
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the whole crew we were with know nothing about the snowpack.
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And it was super wintery when we got there.
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Yeah, it was completely different conditions.
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You know, we went from T-shirt to straight up
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layer, layer, layer, layer.
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And the kind of the craziest part about it was,
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I just remember being in the airport
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when I was in Reykjavik,
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it started looking at the avalanche report for Iceland,
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you know, and trying to see like where we were gonna be.
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They fully know where we were gonna be.
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But it was a shocking avalanche report
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because I've never seen it say,
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we were at considerable danger, like that's fine.
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But then it said we had a wind slab
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and an old snow problem,
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which persistent layers in a coastal snowpack
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are pretty uncommon.
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It's like something that we've talked about on this.
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And also just we've, you know, we know this.
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I guess Iceland had a really weird kind of tail end
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of their winter where it just got cold
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and then just stayed cold.
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Just kept stacking storm and it got an old snow layer.
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And was it one incident or two incidents?
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A couple of people got caught.
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It doesn't sound like anyone was killed.
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The best part I saw was the snow cat at the ski area
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above the house we stayed at triggered a D3
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right on the side of the trail.
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It was like, whoa.
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And you see the snow cat and it looks like a toy snow cat
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because the D3 is so big.
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Oh my God.
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Okay, so that all happened before we got there.
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And the crazy thing was like, yeah,
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it said D3s and D4s even could be triggered on all slopes.
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I've never seen the whole compass all blacked out.
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Like the critical danger zone was 100% of the zones.
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Yeah, so to recap, you're getting on the plane
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and you're seeing considerable danger.
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So human triggered avalanches are likely,
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right, you got old snow problem.
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And we know that old snow problem kills about 95%
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of the victims and you also have a wind slab
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and there are gonna be D3s, which is like destroy a car
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or wood framed house to D4s, which means a village
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or a forest, old growth forest.
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So it's pretty intimidating, right?
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Yeah, it was definitely,
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well, I definitely it was over my pay grade.
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As far as, you know, our plan was I was gonna hop off
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the plane and then you guys were gonna snag me
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and acuraity and we were gonna just head off to go ski
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because you guys had been there for a day already.
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Yeah, so I was gonna go like go on the lag.
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And we go ski right off the plane.
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Exactly, yeah.
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So I was like, well, how are we gonna manage this?
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Because, well, because of all the factors we just said,
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I was completely over my head.
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I had no idea how to handle this.
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So maybe figured we could walk through this a little bit.
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Not just the first day, but the whole week we were there,
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conditions were changing really rapidly,
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something we learned about Iceland quickly,
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which sounds silly to say out loud now,
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but it's sort of the Arctic.
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And so things changed there even more rapidly
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than in Colorado, what we're used to.
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So we had to really adapt quickly
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and we had to have a good game plan going into the day
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of if this isn't gonna work,
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or if we get somewhere and the conditions are different
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than what we thought, like what's our plan B,
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what's our plan C, et cetera.
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So I thought it'd be cool if we could just maybe
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kind of do an Iceland debrief
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and then maybe talk about how we went about planning
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and staying within our safety guidelines
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in a totally new environment
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with rapidly changing conditions
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and super high consequences to be frank,
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probably the most dangerous conditions we were in all season.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, I think the first part is changing our mindset.
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hey, we're gonna go really aggressive, it's like, whoa.
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We are gonna go conservative and we're gonna go beautiful.
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And hold up, just to give everyone the full view,
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the reason we had to change our mindset
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was because you kind of pitched this idea
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as like we're gonna go ski corn in Iceland.
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Because I thought you did last year.
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Yeah, mid-April.
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So we were all expecting that.
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That's why we had to have this big shift
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in our whole game plan,
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because we were like, cool,
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we have to be t-shirt weather,
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we're gonna be skiing steep corn,
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it's gonna be awesome.
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And then winter struck
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and we were in a totally different situation.
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So continue from there.
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We had to adjust our mindset.
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So the professionals,
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we would call this your strategic mindset.
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And you could be very conservative
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all the way to very aggressive.
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And that informs, hey,
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like sets the expectations in the organization
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and to the clients.
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And says, hey, are we stepping out today
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because it's gonna be more aggressive
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because conditions are very favorable
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or are we falling back
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because we've got a big storm
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and conditions aren't favorable
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or are we in trenchment?
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Meaning nothing's changed.
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We're dealing with a persistent weak layer
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and old snow problem.
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And we just have to be conservative
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because there's no way to manage this.
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You can't just use your guide wizard hat
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and wave the wand and say,
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it'll be okay because I say it's okay.
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And like you said,
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the weird thing was the persistent weak layer
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was everywhere.
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And we were like, oh, that's not fair.
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You can't avoid it.
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And so that changed our mindset really quickly.
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However, one thing going for us
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is we were going to a magical landscape
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where if I'm skiing under the setting sun,
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looking at the ocean
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and the sun reflecting off the water,
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I'm so blissed out.
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And people in the group,
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it brought tears to their eyes
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because it was just heart-breakingly beautiful
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to ski into the sunset on the Arctic Circle.
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And you're like, look, next stop is Greenland,
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straight ahead or to your right is the North Pole.
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And there's nobody here.
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And this is just magic.
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And so, changing the mindset and being like,
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hey, we thought we were going to be skiing steep coolars
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and big faces with spring-like conditions,
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probably low danger conditions.
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And that wasn't the case.
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It was for the 40-year average,
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they were saying this was freakishly cold
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and it was full winter conditions.
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And we had a winter snowpack complete
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with winter snowpack problems.
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So we had to change our mindset.
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That was the first part was like, okay,
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we are going to tiptoe in through the terrain
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and it's going to be about skiing something that's beautiful
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rather than rad.
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Like there will be no rad on this trip.
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And just being like, okay.
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And finding out, hey, you know what?
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It doesn't have to be super steep
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to have the best trip of your life.
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And it's a lot about being with good friends,
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people you love in a place that's just absolutely magical
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and exploring a new culture.
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And I've never done this before,
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but I imagine my parents are in Albania right now
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on a bike tour.
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And that's the kind of experience they're having.
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It's not rad, but they're eating great food,
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traveling through a beautiful country
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with people that they love and having an adventure.
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And I think that's what made it a very successful trip
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for us, because each day we were just like,
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oh my God, that was amazing.
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And the other part too, being at sea level,
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you're like, oh, we can climb about 7,000 feet today
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and just ski amazing snow with very little risk
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looking at the ocean and have an amazing time.
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And for me, that's recalibrated as I've gotten older.
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For me, those are more important than skiing a steep line,
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which I hate to admit,
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but eventually all the steep lines I've skied,
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they're kind of, I kind of forget them.
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Like I can remember little bits and pieces.
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They seemed super important at the time,
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like worth risking one's life for,
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but 10, 15 years later, I'm like,
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oh, I kind of remember who I did that with
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and I remember a little bit about it,
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but not that much.
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Whereas I got to say on this trip,
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I don't think I'm gonna forget that anytime soon.
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Like the afterglow, the half-life of the trip,
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it's still with me.
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I don't know, it's the same with you.
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I'm still having like Iceland dreams.
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Yeah.
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But Brunsley, what are you doing?
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Why are we not skiing every day?
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That was ideal.
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Yeah, okay, so I agree with that.
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The way we scaled back and we ended up doing it
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like kind of more of a tour, literally.
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Just finding really cool zones
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that we could effectively hit a bunch of different areas.
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You know, I guess it's worth maybe telling viewers
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or listeners the whole, like it's the ocean.
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And then it just kind of goes up in a way,
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nothing to these crazy peaks.
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And so we could find these zones.
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And we should talk about this in a sec
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about how kind of every day we had to change.
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It was kind of like snowy, swirly every day.
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And we kind of had to pick our zones,
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depending on like where we thought the patch of sunlight
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was gonna be that day,
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which meant that we had to be really, really active.
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And we couldn't just sit back and be like,
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okay, it's snowed everywhere.
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We'd be like really active with where was the wind,
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where did it come from, where did it go?
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Where did this, because for people who don't know,
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I mean, Iceland is essentially a giant rock
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in a huge river of weather.
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So it just has swirling weather.
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It's not like in the US where you generally have storms
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coming one direction or the other.
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It's every angle all the time.
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So you have to be really, really aware of that every day.
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So we, because of that, we were like, okay,
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how do we pick zones where we think,
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Jeff, I'll let you say it.
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So put ourselves in a position to get lucky.
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Position to get lucky.
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There's a high degree of uncertainty about snow quality.
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And that's one of the things as I get older
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as a mountain guide where I used to feel responsible
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for the snow quality and feel like, oh man,
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you know, hasn't snowed in two weeks,
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the winds of hammer, the sun is hammered,
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it's gonna be crap, but I have to produce
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a great quality ski day.
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And I used to equate that with snow quality.
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And then I realized, wait a minute,
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there's so much more about this.
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There's the cultural experience of being in another country,
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the food, the drink, the views, the terrain,
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and the camaraderie of exploring the unknown
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with good friends.
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And those are all super important components
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to making a really successful trip.
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And you don't go to the Arctic maritime of Norway
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or Iceland to ski the best snow quality of your life.
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I'm sorry, you can find that much better in Utah or Colorado
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where you're gonna reliably get blower power
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or Hokkaido or something like that.
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However, you can't get views like that anywhere.
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And you're not, the way the light is in the Arctic,
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it's totally different and skiing to the water
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is super magical.
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So, you know, I would often be really upfront
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and be like, hey guys, here's two options for today.
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Here's what I'm thinking.
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And I think we're gonna find reasonable snow quality there,
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but there'll be some marginal snow
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as well, but I think based on the weather patterns
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that we've seen, the winds and the precept,
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I think these are likely to be decent zones,
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but we're gonna have to have an adventure,
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meaning the outcome is uncertain.
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There is no way to know.
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And it was funny talking with my brother
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who works for a heli operation up there.
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And he was saying like, man, he's like,
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I've been up here for I think 11 years now.
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And he's like, if you can figure out the patterns reliably,
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you let me know because, you know, a lot of it is
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we're gonna put ourselves in a position to get lucky,
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but we're gonna go have to explore.
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And he was comparing how one helicopter
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with a couple of groups and the other helicopter
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with a couple of groups found radically different
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snow conditions just on the other side of the valley.
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And they could see each other.
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They were that close, but it's that hyper variability.
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And so, you know, you look at the weather models,
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you look at the cloud cover,
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where you think you can get the most sun
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and track where the wind direction's coming from
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and how it's gonna move through the topography.
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But at the end of the day, there's some guesswork involved.
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Like we don't know for certain.
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And so if you combine that with the uncertainty
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of snow quality, with the uncertainty of snow stability,
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it can get super overwhelming.
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So I found we were using a beta tester
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for aspect ABI up there.
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And I used it last year, so I knew it worked quite well.
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And that took a huge amount of the cognitive load,
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the brain load, and I could put that down
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because we could all sit down on the laptop
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and do the tour plan and be like,
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hey, here's our red no-go zones
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for the outlandish bulletin that we have.
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And now we can visualize the terrain and see.
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We actually have quite a few options in this zone
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that we're at in the Troll Peninsula.
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And we can ski some really beautiful lines
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that are super chill and relaxed.
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And ideally we're facing west to ski into the sunset
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as the sun reflects off the fjord.
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And you may not have that access to the beta tester
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that we were using, but you can use the similar guidelines.
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And at the start of the week, we were at considerable
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and then it shifted to scary moderate.
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And so for considerable, these are the rules we were using
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was keep it under 30 degrees
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and stay out of the run-out zones.
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And it's really tricky to judge scale there
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because there are no trees.
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And there are no man-made installations.
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So we relied very heavily on the slope angle tool
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to check one slope angle underfoot,
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the slope angle across from us,
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but also the run-out zones.
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And that's called the alpha angle.
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That's the fancy term for the run-out zone.
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And when we were worried about D4s
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in a certain zone, we were like,
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okay, that is full track.
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And so we need to be 18 degrees or less.
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And when you sight through the camera on the phone,
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it shows that to you in green.
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18 and under is green.
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And then light green, yellowish green is low risk.
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That's like 19 to 22.
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And then high risk is in red.
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So that's 22 degrees and steeper.
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And so that was a super effective tool
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for when you're on-siting terrain
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and you're trying to gauge,
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hey, are we out of the risk of the run-out here?
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Because when we had such unpredictable snowpack,
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we have to go with reliable terrain.
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And this allowed us to quantify,
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do we have reliable terrain in the start zone?
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Okay, we're keeping it under 30,
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but there's big peaks around us.
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Are we out of the run-out zone?
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Because people, it was rare chance,
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but it had happened where people had remotely triggered
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and the whole mountain had come down
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and we didn't want anything to do with that.
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Yeah, and I think it's worth noting
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that even when we were doing these quote unquote,
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chill skis, like some of the descents
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were still almost 4,000 feet.
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Yeah, there was not.
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So to put it in perspective, there's no trees.
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Some of these faces are just,
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essentially you drop off a peak and it's unlimited
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where you could go.
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There's no, we ended up skiing in a different area
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where it was way more kind of coolars
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and that kind of stuff.
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But at this part of the trip,
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the stuff we ended up dropping was cool
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because it was just this huge 30 degree snow field,
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essentially, that you could go down.
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But the reason that that's like a double edged sword
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is because we had this realization of,
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hey, the cool thing about this is we can go do
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big unlimited GS turns if you want.
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The bad part is, is if we accidentally find
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that tricky spot, that whole unlimited face could go,
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which is different than here where it's like,
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hey, this shoot that we're skiing in could go
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or this small face could go.
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There, I kind of understand why the D4 was on the table
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just because of the sheer scale
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of the mountains we were skiing.
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Yeah, because it could go all along the ridge line
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and there's no terrain feature to stop it.
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It's just endless snow fields for miles.
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And you're dealing with 4,000 vertical feet,
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so that has a little bit of snow.
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So where are you gonna go?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And candidly with guides, the mindset with guides is
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on-siting, which means going to new terrain for work
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is really exciting, but it's also really stressful
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because if you have poor visibility
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and poor snow stability, you're like, oh my gosh.
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And having a terrain visualization tool
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that you can lean on to be like, well, all this stuff is out
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and hey, we've got these options here.
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Okay, which of these options do we think
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is gonna have reasonably good snow quality?
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Okay, we're going there.
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And that's how we put ourselves into a position
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to get lucky.
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And later on in the week, when it was scary moderate
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and we changed forecast zones and it was no more D4s.
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It was D3s and scary moderate.
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So D2 to D3.
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We're like, okay, 32 degrees and under
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and stay out of the runout zones.
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And we use the Alf angle, the runout tool quite a bit
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for our regroup zones,
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because we're like, hey, we're right about 30 degrees here.
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We're towing into avalanche terrain
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and there's big slopes around us.
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We've got enough buffer, but we have to be very clear
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about where we're gonna regroup
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and everyone could sight through the runout tool
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on the camera, on the phone and be like, oh, that's the spot.
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See that little raised island of rock there?
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That's where we're going.
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And I was always surprised how it was much farther
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than my eye would have said to go.
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Like my gut would have said, oh, Dave, stop down there.
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It'll be fine.
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And then when we shot it, I was like,
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there is no sense of scale in this landscape.
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And I'm being overly optimistic.
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Like if something runs Jason to our slope or on our slope,
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we wanna make sure we're well out of the runout zone.
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Yeah, and just the fact of,
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which I think we all kind of talked about
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by the second day or something,
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maybe the third day, I don't remember,
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but we were realizing that every time we ended up skiing,
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one of these faces ended up being such a longer descent
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than we thought because of that scale.
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Yeah, and we are all kind of joking about,
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man, if like you couldn't really outrun something
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because you have no idea how long
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you're gonna have to outrun it.
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And the whole 45 degree angle thing,
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yes, in theory it works,
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but like we just talked about,
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like you could just keep ripping a whole face
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as you kept going.
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So I think the whole,
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it was a really interesting exercise
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in taking all this stuff that we know to be true
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and stuff that I've been learning over this past season,
521
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,520
just hanging out with people like you
522
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,520
and then sort of trying to apply those rules,
523
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,840
but in like a really shaken up way.
524
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,280
Oh, because you're out of your normal mountain range
525
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,120
environment?
526
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,440
Well, yeah, just because all of a sudden everything
527
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,080
about what we knew had to be tweaked and toggled
528
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,040
and sort of, you know.
529
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,840
But yeah, I guess if we do kind of way,
530
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,280
we just don't know how big things are.
531
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,120
Yeah, I don't know.
532
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,040
I think what you're just talking about with
533
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,200
just the scale and how far away things were
534
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,360
really struck me with,
535
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,440
there's plenty of times where we all thought,
536
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,520
hey, like that's a good regroup zone
537
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,120
because it's out of the angle,
538
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,840
but then when we'd cite it,
539
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,920
turns out it was still totally in the slide path
540
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,520
because it was way closer than we thought it was.
541
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,400
We thought it was a mile away
542
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,000
and it was half a mile away or whatever.
543
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,920
And then we'd have it the opposite way too,
544
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,400
where we'd be like, oh, that thing's too close.
545
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,080
And then we'd shoot it and we'd be like, oh my God,
546
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,600
that thing's so far away.
547
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,280
Yeah.
548
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,120
Like that's bizarre.
549
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080
It was kind of like a, I'm sure,
550
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,840
I mean, you've definitely guided all over the place,
551
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,480
but being on this trip and then you did a really good job
552
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,440
of including us in the whole process.
553
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,480
You know, it wasn't very much a team effort.
554
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,280
You would definitely come up with the zones,
555
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,880
but then we as a team would kind of ideate
556
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280
on what our plan would be.
557
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,400
And it was cool just being a part of that
558
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,760
and like a totally new zone.
559
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Yeah.
560
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,360
It makes me think of, I saw this amazing David Byrne exhibit.
561
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,680
It was this experiential art exhibit
562
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,520
and it takes maybe an hour and a half or something.
563
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760
And I think it's called something like perceptions
564
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,760
of the mind or, and it's all about cognitive science,
565
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,440
but done through art.
566
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,880
So it was like in this Denver warehouse
567
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440
and you had a tour guide through the night
568
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,120
who was David Byrne and he was walking you through episodes
569
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:28,120
of his life and it was basically about how unreliable
570
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,320
our senses are.
571
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,320
So hearing, sight, taste, touch, everything.
572
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,240
And it was such a wackadoodle experience
573
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,360
that it felt like it went by in like 15 minutes
574
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,640
instead of an hour and a half.
575
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,600
So that was kind of trippy as well.
576
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,600
But it reinforced that what we know to be true.
577
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,720
Well, it just maybe ain't so.
578
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,720
And I love that saying, let's see if I can recall it.
579
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,960
It says, it ain't the things you don't know that gets you.
580
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,880
It's the things you know for certain that just ain't true.
581
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,800
And when we used our eye, we're like, oh, that's just like,
582
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,760
you know, a couple of turns and it would go forever.
583
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,640
And that idea of being able to judge slope angle
584
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,640
or overhead hazard or, you know,
585
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000
where the runout zone was gonna end,
586
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,600
having an objective tool that doesn't lie to you
587
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,080
was so much more reliable than our eyes.
588
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,280
And, you know, we had fair bit of experience in our group
589
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,280
and we were all continuously surprised to the trip
590
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,480
out how our eyes would deceive us.
591
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,280
And it often met the ways as well
592
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880
because the light was the color and the shade.
593
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,280
Yeah, it was pretty wild.
594
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,480
Yeah, I was having, so you guys left
595
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,880
and I stuck around for five days to go help a buddy
596
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280
with a film project that just happened to be going on there.
597
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,880
And we, this was a theme throughout the whole trip
598
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,880
because I was flying drones while we were there
599
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,280
to just get shots of what we were doing.
600
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,880
And I kept posting up in places that I was trying
601
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,880
to put myself in places that was sort of equidistant
602
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,880
from the top to where they were gonna stop
603
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,680
and putting myself out of the way
604
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,280
but then still line a site for the FPV and all that stuff.
605
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,480
And there'd be plenty of times where I'd be like, cool,
606
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,280
I'm about halfway and then I'd get the drone in the air
607
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,880
and I'd be flying for like a mile.
608
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,280
To get up there.
609
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,480
And it was just like, dude, how tall is this mountain?
610
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,880
What, like, I was still using, I remember a couple of times
611
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280
using the slope angle tool to figure,
612
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,680
to help me figure out where I wanted to stand.
613
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,680
So like I would be out of their way just in general
614
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,080
and then also whatever, just in case a different peak ripped
615
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,280
whatever, just to be out of the runoff.
616
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680
And you'd be like angling up at it and be like,
617
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,280
okay, that doesn't look so far away.
618
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,880
But then as you get up, you know, there's this huge rollover
619
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,480
that keeps going and you're like, oh, well, maybe,
620
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,280
maybe that's not as safe as I thought.
621
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,280
If there's this big rollover that's there,
622
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,880
like that could still potentially slide.
623
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680
But yeah, man, it was, it was definitely, I wanted to,
624
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,080
I want to, I guess have two things before we end this whole thing,
625
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280
which would be, one, it would be really cool to give people
626
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,880
some, I guess just reminders or useful tools to use
627
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,080
when they're in new places.
628
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480
Like I know for me, something we started using
629
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,080
that was really handy was this app called Windy,
630
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,680
which is just like this, it's just a wind forecast app.
631
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,680
But actually in Iceland, it was super handy.
632
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Like I'd never used that before, but then being able to see
633
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,680
where the wind is going to be coming in for like 24 hours
634
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,680
before we went to a zone was actually super handy
635
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480
because wind slab was a problem there.
636
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,880
And so we were like, okay, cool.
637
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,280
We know all the wind was coming from the Southwest
638
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,880
for the last two days.
639
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:58,480
You know, that gives us a better idea of what to not go step on.
640
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
What for you, what for you would be other tools
641
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,380
that are helpful for people in new places?
642
00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:07,980
Like we can't use AspectAvi in Iceland yet.
643
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:09,980
That'll come one day.
644
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:14,380
But you know, kind of let's give people some useful tools
645
00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:17,280
for touring in a new place.
646
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,880
Yeah, yeah.
647
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,280
I think there's a couple of weather apps
648
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,680
that are super handy.
649
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,180
Windy is one that people like.
650
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:28,780
Meteo Blue is quite handy as well.
651
00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:31,380
And there's some powerful tools in there
652
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:34,680
to help you visualize cloud cover and density
653
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,780
and what elevations and things like that.
654
00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:38,980
And when you're skiing above tree line,
655
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:41,180
that is super important.
656
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:43,380
And then you can also check the timing
657
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:47,680
of when you might get a little window of sun.
658
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,180
And you know, that was pretty funny is to be like,
659
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:53,880
hey, we're leaving the house at four
660
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,480
and we'll be done skiing at nine.
661
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Yeah.
662
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,780
And sun sets at 10.
663
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:01,380
Okay.
664
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:04,780
And then Twilight is kind of all night.
665
00:29:04,780 --> 00:29:05,580
Yeah, it was crazy.
666
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,880
And that's our weather window.
667
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,580
And it kind of works out well if you're jet lags
668
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:13,280
from the from Western US too.
669
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
So it stays a little more in sync with your body clock.
670
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,380
So it feels like that.
671
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:18,880
And then the local forecast tool,
672
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,180
having a little sense about it,
673
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,780
like the Avalanche Forecasting Center in Iceland
674
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,280
is relatively recent.
675
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280
So it's not a super mature organization.
676
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,580
And every forecasting center when it comes online,
677
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:36,280
there's going to be some growing pains.
678
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,980
And that is not a knock in any way.
679
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:41,080
They have an incredibly difficult challenge there
680
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,880
because it's hyper variable from valley to valley
681
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,380
and even slope to slope.
682
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:48,980
We're like, they're all the same aspect.
683
00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:52,280
It's the same elevation, but this is garbage.
684
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,580
And if we go over here a couple hundred meters,
685
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:55,480
it's amazing.
686
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880
I've got no plausible explanation.
687
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,780
I could sound all guidey and try to steamroller you guys,
688
00:30:01,780 --> 00:30:03,680
but I'm like, I don't know why it is,
689
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,880
but that's the better snow.
690
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,080
We're going there.
691
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,280
And so that hyper variability is really tricky.
692
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,980
And we experienced that on a peak where we were getting up
693
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:15,180
around 900 meters off the sea level.
694
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:18,280
So about 3000 feet and we were down in our base layer.
695
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,080
I remember you guys got a little ahead of me.
696
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,280
We weren't in avalanche strain and we had radio.
697
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,280
So it was pretty relaxed.
698
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680
And I was like, guys, I'm sorry, I got to stop and get all the way
699
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,080
to my son hoodie base layer because I am just sweating.
700
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,880
And then about 10 minutes later, you guys had said,
701
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,180
you made an executive decision before I even got there.
702
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:40,080
Like we are going down because it got so damn cold so fast
703
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:40,980
in like 10 minutes.
704
00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:44,280
And we had like every layer of clothing on swing in our hands.
705
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,280
We're like, what the heck just happened?
706
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,180
So when you get these wild temperature and wind variations
707
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:54,280
that are hyper localized, you're also going to have a large
708
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,980
amount of variance and uncertainty with your avalanche forecast.
709
00:30:59,980 --> 00:31:01,980
And so the year before when I had been there,
710
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:06,480
it had rained for days top to bottom and it was low danger corn,
711
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280
snow and blue skies every day.
712
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,980
So there were very little uncertainty.
713
00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:16,180
It was like ice throughout this whole snowpack, perfect corn.
714
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:17,380
It's low danger.
715
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:19,580
And there was a high degree of certainty.
716
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:23,280
But when we got there, it was total wackadoo conditions
717
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,580
and keeping in mind that it's a huge area with relatively few observations.
718
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:32,380
It's not like the wasatch where there's a million skiers out there
719
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:35,980
every day in a couple small canyons.
720
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:40,580
You know, it is a very relatively large area with high degree of variability.
721
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:44,780
So keeping that in mind and taking the forecast for the grain assault.
722
00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:48,980
And we know the forecast just like the weather forecast, it can be wrong.
723
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:53,280
So ground truthing that and, you know, shameless product plug,
724
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680
but it's there for a reason.
725
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,880
If you verify the forecast and aspect avi, even if you're in a place
726
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,480
that aspect avi doesn't work yet because we haven't gotten to Europe yet,
727
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,980
you know, you can use that simple checklist and like, are we getting shooting
728
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:13,580
cracks, recent avalanches, whoops, rapid loading from sun, from snow
729
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:17,380
or from wind, or are we getting rapid temperature rise?
730
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:20,980
If it is, flip the forecast to considerable.
731
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:26,180
And especially if you're in a place with a paucity of data and a very large area,
732
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:30,780
you want to go really conservative like that and feel free to pivot at a moment's notice.
733
00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:35,880
I think, you know, that's something that we were really flexible with was
734
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,480
we've got a rough play on the night before, but we're just going to have to wait
735
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,980
and see what the weather is doing.
736
00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:44,980
And we may dash out the door at breakfast or we may sit and chill out,
737
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:49,980
chill the situation until four o'clock in the afternoon when the weather windows
738
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:52,480
forecasted to happen.
739
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,880
So I think having that data ahead of time with looking at weather apps
740
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,380
and the avalanche forecast, so you have a general sense of what's going on
741
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:09,380
and then being really flexible during the day to adjust and not being stuck
742
00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:14,180
on an objective of being like, hey, there's a lot more than just skiing a steep line
743
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:16,180
to make a really successful trip.
744
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:19,380
And these are the things that are really important to us.
745
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:24,380
Coming back home is paramount and having a lot of fun with our friends
746
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:27,680
and still being friends when we come home is super important.
747
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,580
And it was really easy to make decisions with this group.
748
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:34,280
We'd weigh the pros and cons and then come to a consensus real quickly.
749
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,680
And I think having some objective data also that we could all look on the map
750
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,480
together and be like, well, all that is red high risk.
751
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,780
We're not tangling with D3s today.
752
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:46,280
Made it really easy.
753
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,780
And then we could also verify the forecast to make sure that it was
754
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:54,980
sounding truthy for the slopes that we were on and the conditions we were experiencing.
755
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:56,280
We could do a now cast.
756
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Yeah, one of my favorite moments of our whole trip together was,
757
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,080
I think it was the third day we were out skiing and we ended up looking out.
758
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,680
It was beautiful sunny day the whole time.
759
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,980
It was only supposed to be a window.
760
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,780
We chose this zone because we figured by the time we got up to,
761
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:18,980
because I think the top of the peak we were going to was like 1,100 meters.
762
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:21,380
Like we were, it was almost 4,000 feet.
763
00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:22,480
It was pretty big.
764
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,880
Yeah, it's 1,500 meters.
765
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,780
Yeah, 4,000 feet.
766
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:27,080
So it was the highest one we did.
767
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,880
And we were like, okay, well, if we start at this time,
768
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,880
then maybe we'll hit the blue sky for our descent.
769
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Turns out it just got blue the second we got out of the car and just stayed blue
770
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,780
until sunset at like 11.
771
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:44,680
But the funniest part of this whole thing was we ended up going up the wrong mountain
772
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,480
because we like, because you just start walking towards these mountains
773
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,480
and you know, there's these big rollovers that, you know, so like anything
774
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,880
when you're going up some you can't see over all the way to the top.
775
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,780
Like chances are if you see all the way to the top, it's really steep.
776
00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:00,680
You know, that's the way you want to be under it.
777
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,580
But halfway up, we were like, oh, the mountain we're trying to go to is over there.
778
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:07,380
And we had to make a game time decision.
779
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:10,880
And we were like, well, the mountain that's right in front of us looks sweet.
780
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,180
And we used the tools that we had at our disposal, which they sort of worked.
781
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:17,480
We had to be pretty crafty about it at the moment.
782
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,580
But when then we were able to kind of identify that the peak in front of us
783
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:25,780
was going to be skiable and was within our realm of safety.
784
00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:29,880
And and we are still able to go do it.
785
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,580
But it was definitely an unexpected.
786
00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:35,180
Can you imagine if the weather was worse?
787
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,980
Like where we have ended up, man?
788
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:38,080
It was beautiful and sunny.
789
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,880
We ended up on the wrong mountain.
790
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,480
That's the people ask me and they say, hey, you know, what do you think about
791
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,580
the risk of people navigating off their phone?
792
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:58,880
And with zero vis during considerable danger and getting into steep terrain
793
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,180
and remotely triggering.
794
00:36:00,180 --> 00:36:04,580
And I'm like, well, if it's if it's considerable and you're worried about
795
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:09,280
remote triggers, you don't want to be skiing in avalanche terrain.
796
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,080
We can't see.
797
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,980
And we had these funky rollovers and we'd, you know, at Valley,
798
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:16,380
we hadn't been to before.
799
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:20,280
And when we got up about 300 meters, a thousand feet, we were like,
800
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,680
well, our intended route is over here.
801
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,980
And it looks OK.
802
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:27,980
But man, this one a little bit to the right looks amazing.
803
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:29,680
And it's not in the red.
804
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080
It fits our criteria.
805
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,980
You know, it's it's on the run list, meaning it's, you know, is scary moderate
806
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:37,580
that day.
807
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:41,780
And so we're like, it's under 32 degrees or under 33 degrees and we can stay
808
00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:43,480
out of the run out zones.
809
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,680
Yeah, that's fair game.
810
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,480
And it looked like it had better snow quality and more consistent pitch to ski
811
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,480
more fall line and super high rewards.
812
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,780
So we ended up doing a second half lap on it because it was so good.
813
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:56,180
But you're right.
814
00:36:56,180 --> 00:37:01,180
If we had had bad visibility, we would have taken that off the off the run
815
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:01,480
list.
816
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,580
And I think, you know, the the place we went on day one had way more margins
817
00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:12,580
around us, meaning there was tons of low angle terrain with very few steep
818
00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:14,580
slopes that we would have to avoid.
819
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:20,180
And that would be a more appropriate place to go if you had poor visibility.
820
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:23,480
And then the other option we always had is because you never know if the weather
821
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,480
is going to come back in is that, you know, when we're skinning up, we've got
822
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,880
our skin track and that can be a real big help in zero viz because you've got
823
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,980
your skin track to keep hitting on the way down so you don't get seasick
824
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:39,280
and lose track of where you are.
825
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,980
So that was always in the back pocket as a escape route.
826
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:45,280
And, you know, if we had had white out conditions from the get go, there was a
827
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,780
peak right across from our house where we skied that had big wide open
828
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:54,780
chill snow fields of, you know, nice north facing snow, kind of creamy
829
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:56,180
velvety powder down low.
830
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:59,480
And, you know, that that would be a more appropriate choice where you're like,
831
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
okay, we've got big margins of safety around us.
832
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,780
We're not trying to thread the needle with zero viz.
833
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:05,680
Three of zero viz.
834
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,180
It was funny.
835
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:09,180
There was multiple days where we chose a zone specifically because we could
836
00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:10,780
see the ocean.
837
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:15,280
So if all else failed, we were like, well, all else fails, we don't know
838
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,880
where to go.
839
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880
We know that generally we'll want to ski towards the ocean because that's
840
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,280
where we're going, which was an experience.
841
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,380
I just, I don't think I can get used to that was so trippy like look for the
842
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:26,880
sea.
843
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,280
Yes.
844
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,880
It's a day one when we were skiing down.
845
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,780
It was like, okay, here's our compass heading and there's nothing to mark
846
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:38,080
off because a little cloud bank came in and we were going to get below it.
847
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,380
It was a wispy cloud, but it was really hard to see.
848
00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:45,480
And it lined up our line was perfectly aligned the skiing towards the sun and
849
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,180
the sun reflecting off the fjord.
850
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:48,880
We're like, well, that worked out really well.
851
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Just aim towards that light, bright glowing orb in the sky and follow me.
852
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Let's go.
853
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,280
Yeah.
854
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,180
Oh, sweet.
855
00:38:57,180 --> 00:39:01,880
Well, let's, let's bore everyone too much with our Iceland tales.
856
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,280
But I wanted to ask you what was your, what was like the most memorable part of
857
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,480
the trip or something that will, something that really stands out to you?
858
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:17,280
I think it's the combination of sharing experience with people you love and a
859
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,580
magical landscape.
860
00:39:18,580 --> 00:39:24,780
And we got super lucky where we just had these kind of all time tours day after
861
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:29,580
day and they were very unexpected because the weather was looking pretty rough.
862
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:35,080
And just, you know, a lot of the train we are in, we were skiing blue square
863
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:41,280
terrain, meaning under 30 degrees and no overhead hazard.
864
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,880
We were out of the run out zone.
865
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:49,180
And so we could ski together and skiing behind Eli was fucking hilarious.
866
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:53,080
Just like, it's like kids being like, Hey, you want to go red bikes and just goofing
867
00:39:53,080 --> 00:40:00,580
off and, and, you know, pass and Frank and you guys and, and just goofing off in a
868
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:05,880
really low stress environment where if we had pushed it, it would have been really
869
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,280
stressful and not nearly as much fun.
870
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,180
And I think in the past I would have had when I was younger in my career, I would
871
00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:16,980
have had that feeling of man, all these guys are rippers.
872
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:23,580
Like do with these guys were on the pro circuit and I need to deliver the goods,
873
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:27,480
but the persistent week later could be anywhere according to the bulletin and
874
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,480
D threes and D fours, no way.
875
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,680
That's that's ludicrous.
876
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,380
I can't manage that as a mountain guide.
877
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:35,180
I'd just be getting lucky.
878
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:40,280
And so it was great to have a tool where we could just all get on the same page
879
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,880
with touring and everyone was like, yeah, we don't want to mess with that.
880
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,280
We just want to have fun.
881
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,880
And so let's go sniff out the good snow and a lot of the party skiing together
882
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,080
when we're out of avalanche train was just so playful and goofy.
883
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,180
I felt like a bunch of dolphins playing in the waves together and stuff like that.
884
00:40:57,180 --> 00:41:03,780
And then that adventure of, Hey, you know, I think we skied maybe one peak
885
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:07,580
that I'd skied the year before maybe and the rest was all on-siting.
886
00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:11,980
So it's fun for me to go explore with you guys as well.
887
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:16,880
And I love that sense of we're not really quite sure how it's going to turn out.
888
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,280
Let's go find out and, you know, you hit a few patches of frozen corn
889
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,980
and to link up the powder patches and kind of don't remember those.
890
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:29,980
You just remember the good times with your friends.
891
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:34,380
Totally. Yeah, no, it was definitely, I think one of the most memorable things
892
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:39,680
for me overall was the mindset was so different of, and when we go out here,
893
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,980
we're familiar with the train.
894
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:45,080
So we have expectations of this should be this way.
895
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,180
And so we kind of start creating these expectations before you even get out there.
896
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:53,480
So immediately, if we get out there and it's not the same, we're kind of like,
897
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480
but with this, it was totally adventure based.
898
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,780
We're like, we think it's going to be this way.
899
00:41:57,780 --> 00:41:58,780
Could be.
900
00:41:58,780 --> 00:41:59,880
Might not be.
901
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,380
The weather could suck.
902
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:02,380
It might start blizzering.
903
00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:03,180
It might get sunny.
904
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:05,180
Like we just had no expectations.
905
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:11,080
And I think that was such a cool way for us to approach that this, this type of skiing.
906
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,580
I kind of just, it made it feel, I don't want to keep saying adventure,
907
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:20,780
but it made it just made it feel almost more relaxed in a sense of we were all kind of seeing
908
00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:24,280
how it was going as it was going.
909
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,580
And that was, that was a really cool experience, especially when we ended up having,
910
00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:28,680
you know, we got incredibly lucky.
911
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:35,380
We had so many good days going into it with that mindset and then having the result be these incredible,
912
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:44,580
incredible runs, like 40 minute runs of just like endless powder at like sunset most days.
913
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:46,780
So it was just like, I was like checking all these boxes.
914
00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:51,180
I thought that was just, I think that's probably the most memorable thing for me was just that.
915
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:59,780
The mindset going in, I think produced an environment that allowed us to have a really open,
916
00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:05,880
like open to the conditions and end up delivering us a really epic experience.
917
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,180
Yeah.
918
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:08,680
You know, it makes me think of a couple of things.
919
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:16,780
I wonder if one being jet lagged off the plane and swimming most days in the beach in the Arctic Ocean,
920
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:23,980
if that kind of helped get us into that beginner's mind where you're just open to possibilities and expectations were,
921
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:30,680
I don't know, I always felt like my expectations were really low where I was like, man, the forecast is not looking good.
922
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,480
Snow quality is not looking good.
923
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,880
And wow, we got lucky again.
924
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,580
And, you know, we did quite a bit of planning to set us up to get lucky,
925
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:43,180
but I didn't feel like I had much control over the outcome,
926
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:48,480
which normally as a mountain guide is really uncomfortable feeling as far as the outcome of,
927
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,880
are we going to have good snow quality and good visibility?
928
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,280
Or are we just going to be skiing in the pink bong ball on frozen crust?
929
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,880
Which to me, to be fair, happened to us a couple of times.
930
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,280
But it wasn't, it wasn't like all, yeah, but I think so.
931
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if we had that mindset of everyone was in sync of just like open to possibilities,
932
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,880
really low expectations.
933
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,780
And so your H equals R minus E.
934
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:24,080
So H is happiness is really high when your reality is much bigger than your expectations.
935
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,380
And every day we're kind of like, well, expectations are pretty low.
936
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,980
And then we got out there and we were like, oh, actually it's really good.
937
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:34,780
So then it felt like we were getting away with something like, how did we get good snow again?
938
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:36,280
It's supposed to be crap out there.
939
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,480
This is amazing.
940
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Totally.
941
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Yeah.
942
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,780
No, it was, that was a really, really fun trip, man.
943
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:43,380
Those epic.
944
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:48,380
I, to anyone who's thinking about going skiing in Iceland, I don't want to blow up the spot
945
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:50,980
because it's pretty cool and quiet there right now.
946
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:53,680
But it was, it was really something.
947
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,580
I recommend it.
948
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:55,780
It was epic.
949
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:59,980
The other, the other, oh Jeff, I got one more thing that surprised me about our trip.
950
00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:00,580
Yeah.
951
00:45:00,580 --> 00:45:02,780
You eat so much.
952
00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:07,680
Like, yeah, I have to finish with this one story because it is hilarious.
953
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,180
And I told a couple of my friends this story and they were like cracking up.
954
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:15,780
So we went to see the Northern Lights one night because we, we heard they're going to be popping
955
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:20,980
off and the only place where there was like a little dot of no clouds was like two hour
956
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:21,580
and a half away.
957
00:45:21,580 --> 00:45:22,180
Something like that.
958
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:23,980
We had to hop in the car for a little bit.
959
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:29,180
So anyway, we go see the Northern Lights kind of like they're kind of through the clouds,
960
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:32,280
but we saw them and then we're driving home.
961
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Frank was driving.
962
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,580
Thanks, Frank.
963
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:37,480
And Jeff was asleep, like the whole drive home.
964
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,080
He was just out because it was like, I mean, I don't know what was one thirty.
965
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Two in the morning.
966
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,580
It was late.
967
00:45:42,580 --> 00:45:46,280
You have to wait till it's super dark because the sun, it doesn't get proper dark until
968
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,580
midnight.
969
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:49,980
But anyway, we, we do this drive, we do this adventure.
970
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:53,780
We get back to the apartment, to the condos or cabin, whatever.
971
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:58,180
And it's like two thirty in the morning and I go straight up to like the loft where I'm
972
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:59,780
sleeping and then I go get my water bottle.
973
00:45:59,780 --> 00:46:03,980
I come down and like get ready for bed and Jeff's just in the kitchen like fully cooking.
974
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:06,880
He's been asleep for like an hour and a half in the car.
975
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,980
And he's just like fully cooking up like a pasta dish at like two thirty in the morning
976
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:13,380
and I was just like, oh my God.
977
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:15,780
And then the best thing about it was just like, dude, are you serious?
978
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:16,980
Like you're eating right now.
979
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:18,580
And you're like, yeah, man, I'm super hungry.
980
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:19,180
Dead serious.
981
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:21,880
And then you like, I was, you know, man, I'll have some noodles.
982
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,180
It was like totally validated that you were cooking at two thirty in the morning.
983
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:27,580
I was like, well, all right, I guess I'm the asshole.
984
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:28,580
I'm going to bed guys.
985
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:30,180
Yeah.
986
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:34,980
It was like, well, Dave, if you've ever had a tapeworm, you got to keep those guys.
987
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:36,780
Yeah, you got to go check, get that checked, man.
988
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:37,980
I'm concerned about you.
989
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:40,580
You, your food bill must be so high.
990
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:44,180
But anyway, well, let's wrap this up.
991
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:46,880
It was truly an awesome trip.
992
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,380
Like I don't think I'll ever forget it.
993
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:54,380
And hopefully we get to go again maybe next year or in some years soon.
994
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:56,980
Do you got any last words for, for the peeps?
995
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:57,580
Yeah.
996
00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:03,180
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997
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:08,580
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998
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,780
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999
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1000
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,980
So thanks so much for your support.
1001
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We're a hundred percent back country community funded.
1002
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We're all on this mission together of saving lives from avalanches and our investors are
1003
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excited to share this with everyone.
1004
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It's the new standard and avalanche safety, it's preventative proactive avalanche safety
1005
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gear.
1006
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So heck yeah, store download it.
1007
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:40,900
It's only available on iPhone right now, but hopefully we can change that in the future.
1008
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:41,900
Yeah, man.
1009
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That's exciting.
1010
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That's awesome.
1011
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Yes, sir.
1012
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Okay.
1013
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We with that, I think we'll wrap this up, man.
1014
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It was good, good seeing you and we'll talk soon.
1015
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,100
All right.
1016
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,100
Sounds good.
1017
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Cheers.
1018
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,100
Thank you so much for listening to all aspects.
1019
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If you like what we're doing here, please leave a rating and review.
1020
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It really is the best way to help others find the show.
1021
00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:04,540
Thanks again to our business daddy, Aspect Abbey, for making this show possible.
1022
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To learn more about how Aspect Abbey is making avalanche safety simple, go to aspectabbey.com.
1023
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If you want to use this powerful new tool on your next back country adventure, simply
1024
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download the app from the app store and enjoy 30 days free on them.
1025
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:20,980
Lastly, special thanks to Ice Lab for helping us produce this show.
1026
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You guys rock and we couldn't do without you.
1027
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Thanks again for listening and we'll see you in the back country.