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Regret this welcome to the nerd party.
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Hi this is nick anastasio lead editor and writer on
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mall shadowlord and you're listening to aggressive negotiation.
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Hello and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations. We are so excited
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to be coming with you here. We've got a great
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discussion coming up. I'm just so excited to be here. Honestly,
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I'm on the edge of my seat. And I'm with
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my good friend, my co-host, my esteemed colleague, none other
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than Jedi Master John Mills. John, you've just gotten back
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from a whirlwind vacation.
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Man, how are you feeling?
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You know, I'm feeling great. I'm feeling very refreshed because
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I went all the way over to Mon Cal. And
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I stayed in the one landmass on Mon Cal, which,
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of course, as you know, is only 10 square meters.
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So it was a very, very limited vacation, not a
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strong swimmer. So I felt like I didn't go to
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the right place. But, you know, you got to sample life.
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You got to give it a different try and everything
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like that. You know, the Quarren, very welcoming, surprisingly.
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Oh, okay.
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Excellent. You know.
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Didn't expect that one.
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Yeah, that's fantastic. I'm glad to hear that.
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That would be great.
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There are even a subspace. No, that's Star Trek. I
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can't use that.
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There are even holonet ways to reach out to us
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from time to time. And in fact, Matt, we got
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some feedback from a relatively recent episode where we were
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talking about Darth Vader, a Star Wars story. And a
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listener reached out and offered that she would die on
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a hill requesting a Doctor Aphra movie. And we would
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be allowed to throw Vader in.
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She wouldn't mind.
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Okay.
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Now, we'll double back to that one. Okay.
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Her husband said that he asks for a Jar Jar
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Binks movie. And he might have been joking, but I'm
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on board for that. You know I'm totally on board
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for a Jar Jar Binks movie. I would love to
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see Jar Jar between the trilogies. I want to know
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what happened with Jar Jar.
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That would be pretty interesting.
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And I am not satisfied with what Wendig did with
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him in the Aftermath books. I don't like it. I
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want to see him between... trilogies. I want to see
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what happened there. But she did offer 100% agree on
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a Vader movie needing to show that the struggle of
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his hate towards himself and the loss of his humanity
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was what it dealt with. So we struck a note
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with that one. But I want to come back before
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we move on to tonight's topic. Doctor Aphra movie. Do
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you think that a Doctor Aphra movie would work for
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the public in general? Or is it a more limited
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sort of thing. I think actually it might tie into
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the topic about, you know, how we choose what media
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to send these different stories out on.
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Yeah. You know, I think that something like Dr.
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Afra as a comic, you know, has not had the
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strongest selling numbers in And so therefore I think to
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think about doing some sort of film with that would
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be really difficult. Now, to throw in that character on
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the side in one of the television shows that we're
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doing like in the background of The Mandalorian or something
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along that nature, you could definitely do those things. But
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I do think it would just be difficult to have
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a film devoted to a character, which– doesn't have the
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largest following. And I think, you know, when we think
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of mediums of, when we think of mediums of, you know,
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places where characters are going to shine, I'm not quite
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sure that that would be the case. And so that's really,
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from my vantage point, that's how I feel about, you know,
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just about any character. I mean, even if it's a
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character I like, you know, it's like, Are we going
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to have a film about Ben Quadraneros? Unfortunately, I don't
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think so. But I– John, I don't know. I'm really
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interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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What do you think?
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What do you think would work for a character like this?
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You know, as I think about Aphra, I agree with you.
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Aphra's appeal is limited. The people who are fans of
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Aphra love Aphra. I'm not a particular fan of Aphra.
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I read the early stages of her book. I read
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when she was introduced in the Vader stuff. It's an
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interesting character, but it's not one that really lands for
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me the same way that it does for other fans.
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But sometimes things translate to screen in a better fashion
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than they do in comics. There's a little more development time.
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There's a little more time for the character to be
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matured as it were, you know, that there's a different
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expression in the media. But I think that what it
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really makes me think of is we're sitting here, we're
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talking about the Dr. Aphra. And I really think that
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the great underwhelming side of the era of streaming entertainment.
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Is that.
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We got a flood of content that But it wasn't
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a flood in the way that we thought it would be. Like,
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when I go to Netflix, I see a lot of
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reality TV, which is exactly what killed broadcast TV. You know,
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you got the Wonka competition show. You've got all of
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these different things where it's like, there's this like reality vibe.
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Peacock has the Love Island stuff going on.
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And so.
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That's disorienting for me because I thought we were going
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to be entering this golden age of high quality content
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that would be just churned out, like the first four
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seasons of Stranger Things and The Mandalorian were going to
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dominate the landscape. And I think instead, what we're finding
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is it seems to be harder than ever for every
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franchise to strike the right chord. It's like they're a
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victim of the options that they have for what to do.
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So An Afro movie? I could see an Afro movie
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on streaming easy. But in my brain, that's because in theory,
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streaming is a faster turnaround time, but it doesn't seem
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to have worked that way.
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Yeah, I think this is– it's really interesting that this
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question was asked there because one of the things that
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I was thinking about today, I was having a conversation
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with one of my coworkers who I podcast with over
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on the 602 Club. And we were discussing the idea of,
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you know, TV, streaming, films, and franchises, and how all
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that works, right? And really specifically, we were talking about
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the new Lantern show for the DCU. And, you know,
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the fact that they are utilizing, from the start of
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their franchise film series, And television. The first things that
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came out were Superman and then Creature Commandos came out.
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And they've done Peacemaker Season 2 and then Supergirl and
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now Lanterns. So they've been going back and forth with
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different mediums to bring this franchise to life. And it
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made me start to think about Star Wars and the
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fact that obviously Star Wars began– As a film-only.
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Franchise, right?
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And then George Lucas was the one who brought us
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The Clone Wars. That was his idea. He also had
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had the idea of doing the television show, The Underworld Show.
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So it's like TV was always in his mind.
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Well, and to jump in there as well, remember we
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had the cartoon series, Droids and Ewoks, and we had
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those Ewok TV movies that were aired on ABC.
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Back in the 80s.
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Your mileage may vary with all of those sorts of things.
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But just to support your point, from the earliest possible days,
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they toyed around with television, even with the holiday special.
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Lucas was toying around with TV as an option. So
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just supporting your point on that one.
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And so I think that's the interesting thing. The question
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that I was thinking about for you, though, as we
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look forward, we know we have... more Maul coming up.
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We know we have more Ahsoka. You know, season two
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comes out next year. We know that we've got Starfighter
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that's coming out. And the rumor is, look, it's still
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a rumor, folks. Until it actually comes from Lucasfilm, we
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don't know who's directing, episode 10, if it's even really
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happening again. Until it comes from Dave Filoni's mouth, it's
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not really happening. And so my question to you is this.
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Should we have– a franchise that utilizes television still as
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much as we utilize film. Because right now, we've been
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very skewed towards television for Star Wars. So do we
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need to go back to it being a more film-based franchise?
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Or, you know, is it okay for us to be.
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Has.
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Star Wars set a template where it's, you know... We're
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all right with there being television.
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I will answer the way that maybe some people don't
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want to hear. But if you want your expanded universe
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stuff that you enjoyed with your books in the 90s
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and early 2000s, streaming is the way to go. But
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what Lucasfilm has to do is they have to relax
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just a little bit about the canon nature of things
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and how well it ties together and start approaching it
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with a Tales of approach. You know, we've had Tales
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of the Jedi, Tales of the Underworld, and Tales of
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the Empire, and they were wonderful animated series. I think
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you can do short burst, 15 minute live action stuff,
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Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Tales of whatever. And they
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don't even need to be three episode arcs. You can
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do just, there's a 15 minute Boba Fett episode.
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Here you go.
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Boom.
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There's a 15 minute, um, Imperial officer on the Death Star. Boom.
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There you go.
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You just throw these little short ones out there and
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it will occupy the space that belonged to what kept
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the fans sated between the movies. Because we had almost
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20 years between movies.
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And we were.
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Fine with it because they threw red meat to the
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fan base and we ate it and we were happy
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with it. So I think streaming is where you please
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the hardcore fan base. And then the movies are where
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you make the play for the larger audience. So I
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think it does need to be a two-pronged approach. But
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I think they need to embrace the idea that instead
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of doing large arc Mandalorian type of things, they're doing
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short burst little shorts where they're just throwing them out there.
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And they're just throwing that short form stuff out there.
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I think that Lucas saw that coming himself. I always
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go back to the Tartakovsky Clone Wars, where it was
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three minute episodes of stuff like that. I think you
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could easily lean into that. And I think that's the
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space that streaming could dominate and Star Wars could differentiate
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itself because the hardcore fans like us, oh, look, it's
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been a month. Here's a new 30 minute one shot episode, boom, done.
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And it's just, it's a tale of something that happened
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in the cantina, right? Or we have a series where
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it's like once a month, we get something about all
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of the different guys in the cantina. Or we tell
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the story of how Genu Coin got set up over
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on Shakari or Shakari, sorry. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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I think that's the play. And then the movies become
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the big, you know, like you don't need to have
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watched any of this stuff. It is strictly, that's the
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big play stuff. That's the stuff for bringing in the
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people who aren't watching it. And you bring in the
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fans with that.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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I think as I was thinking about this question and
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that I would ask you it, you know, I think
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through my brain was running just like, okay, what's worked
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and what hasn't? And I think it's very clear that
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the Mandalorian series was one that worked. It expanded the
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universe in a way that you would want, expanded the
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character palette, the things we could do. And it was
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very clear too, as you're watching the first few seasons
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of that, right, that they have a plan In the
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way in which these shows were meant to play together, right?
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And I think that the biggest question for me isn't necessarily,
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you know, should.
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It be television?
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Should it be animation? Should it be this or that
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or whatever? I think, to me, the best question for
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Star Wars is always going to be, is this show
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building the overall whole of... the franchise or is the
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movie building the overall whole of the franchise in a
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way that makes it feel, quote unquote, necessary for it
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to exist? Right. And I think that's one of the
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best questions that you can can ask. Now, you know,
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I think the hard part about that is that maybe,
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you know, that makes you a little bit too hard
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on things, because I think the question then could become,
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does the Mandalorian and Grogu really need to exist as
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a film?
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And everything.
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And you could really have to have, you know, some
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intense conversations about whether that's the case. You know, I
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think that question when you ask it towards some of
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the shows that have been made, you know, and you're like, oh,
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I don't know if this really probably needed to exist.
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Maybe we should have, you know, so to me, it's
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more about, because the way, you know, Star Wars works
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is that most of even the shorts form stuff right
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like when i think of the stuff in the tales
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of series that have worked the best it feels like
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these wonderful pivotal stories for characters that we love that
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then transform the way that i watch everything else right
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you think of like the dooku stuff right or the
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ahsoka stuff or you know uh you know that's that's
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the kind of thing that that I guess, approach this
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with more so than, you know, should it be television
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or whatever? The first question to me is, what's the
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why for this?
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Yeah, but I'll throw a challenge flag on that, specifically
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because of Skeleton Crew. Skeleton Crew, by all measure, in theory,
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it ties together with the I Got High Republic stuff.
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But It didn't need to, and most people didn't read
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those books, so they didn't know.
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How that would have tied together.
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I mentioned that this, I think, creates difficult questions for us, right?
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And I think, though, that for whatever it is, I
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personally believe this to be the question that needs to
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be asked first and foremost in anything that we're going
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to make Star Wars before we just shoot our– money
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at something and hope it works.
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Yeah, but the thing is, I think that with the
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blue box technology that you have now, you could stand
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something up super quick and people would be fine with it.
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I think that the content monster must be fed And
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I think that the stuff like Skeleton Crew, sometimes when
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things reach too far, you get something like, forgive me
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for saying this, Kenobi, where there's a lot that I
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love about it, but it overstays its welcome is essentially
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the problem with that series.
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It overshoots the mark.
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If you go short form and you treat it like,
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The old EU stuff where it's like, you know, it's
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not vital that you know this, but you want your
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Star Wars hit.
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Here you go.
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Here's a new thing, kid. Let me throw you some
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red meat at you. That doesn't need to exist. I
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didn't need, you know, and I know I lean on
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this all the time, but like it's sort of the
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difference between something like, say, you know, the Crystal Star
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and the book by Luceno, Death Star.
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Right.
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Do either of those need to exist? No.
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Do either of them really extend anything? No, but they
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scratched an itch at the time.
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Absolutely.
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No, well, and I think what you're saying and what
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I'm saying, I think you can rectify that in the
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sense that that does then– if it's not something that
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necessarily needs to exist– for the overall saga, but it
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is a fun story to be told. I think that
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then that begins to answer the question, okay, where is
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it being held? Right. Are we, are we putting this
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on Disney plus, are we doing this as an animated series,
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not to denigrate.
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Animated series whatsoever. That's not what I'm saying.
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I'm just saying it was like, that kind of tells you,
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does it need to be a part of a tales
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of type of thing? You know, I think those are
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the type of places where this, this helps you understand, okay,
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what the medium should be. Because I, Hardly agree. believe
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that George Lucas was right, that Star Wars could exist
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on television, uh, in animated form as well as on film. Um,
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and that it all be just as valid and it
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all just be Star Wars. Right. Uh, I think that, um,
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The biggest question has to become, though, when I think
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of this is like, man, we I think that Star
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Wars does need to get back to being a little
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bit more big screen focused, because I think that's where
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Star Wars to me really shines now again. I don't
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want anybody to hear me denigrating anything that's been seen
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on the small screen because some of my absolute favorite
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Star Wars of all time is the animated stuff, right?
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From the Clone Wars, from the.
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Bad Batch, some of the Tales of stories that we've gotten.
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I mean, Rebels, right? That last season of Rebels. It's
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just like– so that's not what I'm saying, but I
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do think that it would behoove Star Wars– To really
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focus on finding its big screen footing again. And I
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only think that that could help then the things that
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you see on.
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The small screen as well.
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And I don't think that Star Wars necessarily has the
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kind of problem that you get with.
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Like Marvel and DC and these other things where they're
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trying to do all of these different areas because Star
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Wars also can easily jump around time periods with different
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things in a way that those can't. Right. Because, you know,
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they're always in the mode of like trying to tell
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that continuous story of whatever phase they're in, you know.
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Star Wars doesn't have that issue. I think that's one
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of the benefits you have in Star Wars.
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Yeah, I... See, I just.
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I think that because the book.
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Area is dying. I'm sorry.
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It's very true.
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It really is.
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I think that the opportunity here is there are fans
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who want it.
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So.
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Let's move away from the reading aspect as much as
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it kills me to say so, because I read constantly.
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I love books. I will always love books. I will
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always read until the day I die. But let's embrace
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the stuff of the now, which is let's throw.
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I mean, it.
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Really is a thing where I think what you need
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to do is that the dividing line you need to
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draw is that streaming is the era of the expanded
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universe stuff, which my wife never read. She had no
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idea it ever existed, but when the prequels came out,
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she was excited. The star Wars movie came out. So
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I think that's, that's the line that you, you, you,
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that's the tight rope that you walk with that. So,
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you know, that, that's what I would offer. And I
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think that, That's a way to keep the brand fresh
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and new. And also, look, man, it's uncomfortable to me
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how difficult it is for every single entity to figure
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out how to do television again.
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We used to be able to do this, guys. We
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used to be able to do 24 episodes a year.
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Cheers.
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Cheers.
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One of the funniest shows in the history of television.
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Did 24 episodes a year. Knocked them out.
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Bangers.
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Just nonstop.
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I think we can get back there. I think that's
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what we got to get to in order for it
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to work.
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Well, and I agree with you there.
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I mean, I think, you know, look, these shows in general, especially,
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you know, have to get back to being able to
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create them more quickly.
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Yeah.
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And not have five years between each season. I mean,
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the fact that we've had this many years between season
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one and two of Ahsoka is just kind of nuts. Right.
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And so, look, I hope that it's great and I'm
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sure it will be, you know, and really what it
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just means. I hope that the production value of it looks,
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you know, bonkers.
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But, you know, and. In some ways, I get it.
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Back when we were doing Game of Thrones season six
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and seven, each one of those episodes was legitimately the
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same scale as a film, right? And that's not a joke.
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And so it made sense as to why those seasons
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would take longer. But let's be honest. That's not what
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Star Wars is doing, right? They're not doing that on
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that scale. And so I think that we just need
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to figure out– and this is what I'd say, the
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biggest part of this, and especially with Star Wars right now.
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I think that now that you have firm footing with
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who's in charge– And that everything that's going to come
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out after Starfighter and Ahsoka Season.
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2 is.
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What Dave has in mind. I think that's just going
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to be interesting to see what the plan is going forward.
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And I think that he probably– as much as anyone
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could ha would have the best idea of what needs
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to be in what medium to help it shine because
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he's now worked in all of the mediums, right? Uh,
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he's worked, uh, on television with, uh, the Mandalorian shows, uh,
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and the rest of the shows that they've done. He's
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worked obviously in animation and he's helped, uh, you know,
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with filming, you know, he's been behind the scenes with
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the last Jedi. He's been behind the scenes, uh, on set, uh,
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filming things on the Mandalorian Grogu. So the man who
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really has an understanding of, of what kind of goes
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into all of these different mediums. And I think that'll help,
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Then moving forward where we can hopefully have a good
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plan that will actually happen and I think that's just
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the other thing that we come down to. It's like
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almost in Star Wars. It's not so much like what's
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it going to be on. It's just like are we
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going to announce things and is it going to actually happen?
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And so hopefully we just end up with a run
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here where that's what we start to get because I
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think that's the other thing too is that so many of.
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These franchises– and it's not just Star Wars.
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But a lot of them have struggled with just actually
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getting things made because they're so focused on creating franchises
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and building them that they're not actually just thinking of
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each movie in general. And I think that's the thing
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where it's like, man. Maybe we just need to start
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making sure that we actually get things made and that
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they're good stuff so that people want to keep coming
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back in the first place. Right.
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I go back to the people who were not big
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on The Mandalorian and Grogu. One of the responses I
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had to everybody was at least they announced it and
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it happened. Yeah. So that's a huge step for the
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Star Wars franchise in the modern era is we got
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back to the old school, which was they announced a
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movie and I saw it.
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Look, Ma, a movie in theaters.
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Exactly. I made a poster and it actually happened.
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And I can tell you that that is an amazing thing.
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But another amazing thing is that people can reach out
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to you, Matt, online and argue with you about where
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they see the future of Star Wars content. So where
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can they find you online to harass you as much
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as I enjoy doing so?
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I mean, you can find me online at MattRushing02. That's
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my name all over social media. You can try and
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harass me and think you're right, but you can't.
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Probably won't be if you're anything like John.
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You can also find me all over this network with
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not just this show, but I've got Owl Post talking
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about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series. And
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over in the TFM network doing the 602 Club talking
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about all of the.
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Franchises we love.
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Plus a lot of great Star Trek talk with my
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good friend Chris Jones. And we just finished Strange New
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World Season 4. We're diving into 60th Anniversary Rewatch of
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the original series.
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And all of our other rewatchers.
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Are continuing with Deep Space Nine and Enterprise and Voyager.
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So check us out over there.
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But, John, maybe people have some thoughts about what types
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of movies or shows they'd like to see like that
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listener did.
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Where would they find you?
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Well, gosh, you would find me as Kessel Junkie online
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and you can also find me, you know, as Kessel Junkie.
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over on KesselJunkie.com on a blog that I maintain sporadically,
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sometimes in fits and starts. But, you know, I have
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fun with it. And you can find me here on
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the network co-hosting a show with Tristan Riddell and Darren
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Moser called House Lights. We have a lot of fun
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with that. We finally got around to talking about one
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of my favorite directors, John Carpenter. a guy who, as
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much as George Lucas, probably formed my artistic tastes.
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Take that how you will.
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And you can, of course, find me over on Goodreads
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and Letterboxd, where I talk about books and movies. And
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I love talking about books and movies, so.
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There you go.
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But Matt, I'm going to be honest with you that
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right now, the thing that is most on my mind
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is that the latest episode of John Rules the Galaxy,
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is on Back at the Temple. So will you join me, please,
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and close these negotiations?
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Is that a show?
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These negotiations are closed.
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It's a show in my mind.
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Darn it.
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Join the revolution.
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Join the nerd party.
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Man, how are you feeling?
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You know, I'm feeling great. I'm feeling very refreshed because
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the right place. But, you know, you got to sample life.
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like that. You know, the Quarren, very welcoming, surprisingly.
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There are even a subspace. No, that's Star Trek. I
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from time to time. And in fact, Matt, we got
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some feedback from a relatively recent episode where we were
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talking about Darth Vader, a Star Wars story. And a
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listener reached out and offered that she would die on
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a hill requesting a Doctor Aphra movie. And we would
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be allowed to throw Vader in.
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She wouldn't mind.
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Binks movie. And he might have been joking, but I'm
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want to see him between... trilogies. I want to see
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what happened there. But she did offer 100% agree on
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a Vader movie needing to show that the struggle of
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his hate towards himself and the loss of his humanity
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was what it dealt with. So we struck a note
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with that one. But I want to come back before
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we move on to tonight's topic. Doctor Aphra movie. Do
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you think that a Doctor Aphra movie would work for
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the public in general? Or is it a more limited
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sort of thing. I think actually it might tie into
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the topic about, you know, how we choose what media
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to send these different stories out on.
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strongest selling numbers in And so therefore I think to
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think about doing some sort of film with that would
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be really difficult. Now, to throw in that character on
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the side in one of the television shows that we're
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doing like in the background of The Mandalorian or something
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a film devoted to a character, which– doesn't have the
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largest following. And I think, you know, when we think
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of mediums of, when we think of mediums of, you know,
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places where characters are going to shine, I'm not quite
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sure that that would be the case. And so that's really,
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from my vantage point, that's how I feel about, you know,
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just about any character. I mean, even if it's a
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character I like, you know, it's like, Are we going
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to have a film about Ben Quadraneros? Unfortunately, I don't
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think so. But I– John, I don't know. I'm really
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interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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What do you think would work for a character like this?
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Aphra's appeal is limited. The people who are fans of
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Aphra love Aphra. I'm not a particular fan of Aphra.
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I read the early stages of her book. I read
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when she was introduced in the Vader stuff. It's an
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interesting character, but it's not one that really lands for
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me the same way that it does for other fans.
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expression in the media. But I think that what it
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really makes me think of is we're sitting here, we're
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talking about the Dr. Aphra. And I really think that
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the great underwhelming side of the era of streaming entertainment.
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a flood in the way that we thought it would be. Like,
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when I go to Netflix, I see a lot of
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reality TV, which is exactly what killed broadcast TV. You know,
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you got the Wonka competition show. You've got all of
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these different things where it's like, there's this like reality vibe.
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Peacock has the Love Island stuff going on.
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to be entering this golden age of high quality content
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that would be just churned out, like the first four
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seasons of Stranger Things and The Mandalorian were going to
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dominate the landscape. And I think instead, what we're finding
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is it seems to be harder than ever for every
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franchise to strike the right chord. It's like they're a
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victim of the options that they have for what to do.
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on streaming easy. But in my brain, that's because in theory,
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streaming is a faster turnaround time, but it doesn't seem
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to have worked that way.
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question was asked there because one of the things that
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with one of my coworkers who I podcast with over
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on the 602 Club. And we were discussing the idea of,
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you know, TV, streaming, films, and franchises, and how all
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that works, right? And really specifically, we were talking about
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the new Lantern show for the DCU. And, you know,
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the fact that they are utilizing, from the start of
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their franchise film series, And television. The first things that
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came out were Superman and then Creature Commandos came out.
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now Lanterns. So they've been going back and forth with
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different mediums to bring this franchise to life. And it
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made me start to think about Star Wars and the
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fact that obviously Star Wars began– As a film-only.
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Franchise, right?
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And then George Lucas was the one who brought us
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The Clone Wars. That was his idea. He also had
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had the idea of doing the television show, The Underworld Show.
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Well, and to jump in there as well, remember we
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had the cartoon series, Droids and Ewoks, and we had
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those Ewok TV movies that were aired on ABC.
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Back in the 80s.
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Your mileage may vary with all of those sorts of things.
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they toyed around with television, even with the holiday special.
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Lucas was toying around with TV as an option. So
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just supporting your point on that one.
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And so I think that's the interesting thing. The question
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that I was thinking about for you, though, as we
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look forward, we know we have... more Maul coming up.
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We know we have more Ahsoka. You know, season two
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comes out next year. We know that we've got Starfighter
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that's coming out. And the rumor is, look, it's still
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a rumor, folks. Until it actually comes from Lucasfilm, we
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don't know who's directing, episode 10, if it's even really
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happening again. Until it comes from Dave Filoni's mouth, it's
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not really happening. And so my question to you is this.
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Should we have– a franchise that utilizes television still as
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much as we utilize film. Because right now, we've been
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very skewed towards television for Star Wars. So do we
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need to go back to it being a more film-based franchise?
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Or, you know, is it okay for us to be.
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Star Wars set a template where it's, you know... We're
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all right with there being television.
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I will answer the way that maybe some people don't
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want to hear. But if you want your expanded universe
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stuff that you enjoyed with your books in the 90s
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and early 2000s, streaming is the way to go. But
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what Lucasfilm has to do is they have to relax
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just a little bit about the canon nature of things
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and how well it ties together and start approaching it
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with a Tales of approach. You know, we've had Tales
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of the Jedi, Tales of the Underworld, and Tales of
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the Empire, and they were wonderful animated series. I think
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you can do short burst, 15 minute live action stuff,
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Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Tales of whatever. And they
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don't even need to be three episode arcs. You can
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do just, there's a 15 minute Boba Fett episode.
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Here you go.
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Boom.
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There's a 15 minute, um, Imperial officer on the Death Star. Boom.
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There you go.
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You just throw these little short ones out there and
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it will occupy the space that belonged to what kept
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the fans sated between the movies. Because we had almost
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Fine with it because they threw red meat to the
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fan base and we ate it and we were happy
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with it. So I think streaming is where you please
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the hardcore fan base. And then the movies are where
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you make the play for the larger audience. So I
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think it does need to be a two-pronged approach. But
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I think they need to embrace the idea that instead
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of doing large arc Mandalorian type of things, they're doing
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short burst little shorts where they're just throwing them out there.
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And they're just throwing that short form stuff out there.
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I think that Lucas saw that coming himself. I always
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go back to the Tartakovsky Clone Wars, where it was
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three minute episodes of stuff like that. I think you
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could easily lean into that. And I think that's the
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space that streaming could dominate and Star Wars could differentiate
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itself because the hardcore fans like us, oh, look, it's
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been a month. Here's a new 30 minute one shot episode, boom, done.
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And it's just, it's a tale of something that happened
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in the cantina, right? Or we have a series where
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it's like once a month, we get something about all
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of the different guys in the cantina. Or we tell
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the story of how Genu Coin got set up over
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on Shakari or Shakari, sorry. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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I think that's the play. And then the movies become
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the big, you know, like you don't need to have
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watched any of this stuff. It is strictly, that's the
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big play stuff. That's the stuff for bringing in the
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people who aren't watching it. And you bring in the
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fans with that.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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I think as I was thinking about this question and
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that I would ask you it, you know, I think
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through my brain was running just like, okay, what's worked
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and what hasn't? And I think it's very clear that
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the Mandalorian series was one that worked. It expanded the
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universe in a way that you would want, expanded the
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character palette, the things we could do. And it was
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very clear too, as you're watching the first few seasons
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of that, right, that they have a plan In the
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way in which these shows were meant to play together, right?
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And I think that the biggest question for me isn't necessarily,
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you know, should.
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It be television?
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Should it be animation? Should it be this or that
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or whatever? I think, to me, the best question for
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Star Wars is always going to be, is this show
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building the overall whole of... the franchise or is the
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movie building the overall whole of the franchise in a
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way that makes it feel, quote unquote, necessary for it
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to exist? Right. And I think that's one of the
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best questions that you can can ask. Now, you know,
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I think the hard part about that is that maybe,
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you know, that makes you a little bit too hard
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on things, because I think the question then could become,
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does the Mandalorian and Grogu really need to exist as
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a film?
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And everything.
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And you could really have to have, you know, some
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intense conversations about whether that's the case. You know, I
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think that question when you ask it towards some of
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the shows that have been made, you know, and you're like, oh,
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I don't know if this really probably needed to exist.
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Maybe we should have, you know, so to me, it's
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more about, because the way, you know, Star Wars works
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is that most of even the shorts form stuff right
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like when i think of the stuff in the tales
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of series that have worked the best it feels like
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these wonderful pivotal stories for characters that we love that
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then transform the way that i watch everything else right
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you think of like the dooku stuff right or the
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ahsoka stuff or you know uh you know that's that's
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the kind of thing that that I guess, approach this
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with more so than, you know, should it be television
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or whatever? The first question to me is, what's the
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why for this?
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Yeah, but I'll throw a challenge flag on that, specifically
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because of Skeleton Crew. Skeleton Crew, by all measure, in theory,
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it ties together with the I Got High Republic stuff.
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But It didn't need to, and most people didn't read
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those books, so they didn't know.
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How that would have tied together.
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I mentioned that this, I think, creates difficult questions for us, right?
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And I think, though, that for whatever it is, I
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personally believe this to be the question that needs to
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be asked first and foremost in anything that we're going
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to make Star Wars before we just shoot our– money
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at something and hope it works.
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Yeah, but the thing is, I think that with the
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blue box technology that you have now, you could stand
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something up super quick and people would be fine with it.
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I think that the content monster must be fed And
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I think that the stuff like Skeleton Crew, sometimes when
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things reach too far, you get something like, forgive me
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for saying this, Kenobi, where there's a lot that I
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love about it, but it overstays its welcome is essentially
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the problem with that series.
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It overshoots the mark.
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If you go short form and you treat it like,
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The old EU stuff where it's like, you know, it's
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not vital that you know this, but you want your
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Star Wars hit.
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Here you go.
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Here's a new thing, kid. Let me throw you some
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red meat at you. That doesn't need to exist. I
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didn't need, you know, and I know I lean on
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this all the time, but like it's sort of the
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difference between something like, say, you know, the Crystal Star
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and the book by Luceno, Death Star.
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Right.
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Do either of those need to exist? No.
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Do either of them really extend anything? No, but they
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scratched an itch at the time.
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Absolutely.
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No, well, and I think what you're saying and what
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I'm saying, I think you can rectify that in the
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sense that that does then– if it's not something that
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necessarily needs to exist– for the overall saga, but it
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is a fun story to be told. I think that
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then that begins to answer the question, okay, where is
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it being held? Right. Are we, are we putting this
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on Disney plus, are we doing this as an animated series,
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not to denigrate.
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Animated series whatsoever. That's not what I'm saying.
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I'm just saying it was like, that kind of tells you,
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does it need to be a part of a tales
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of type of thing? You know, I think those are
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the type of places where this, this helps you understand, okay,
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what the medium should be. Because I, Hardly agree. believe
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that George Lucas was right, that Star Wars could exist
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on television, uh, in animated form as well as on film. Um,
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and that it all be just as valid and it
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all just be Star Wars. Right. Uh, I think that, um,
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The biggest question has to become, though, when I think
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of this is like, man, we I think that Star
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Wars does need to get back to being a little
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bit more big screen focused, because I think that's where
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Star Wars to me really shines now again. I don't
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want anybody to hear me denigrating anything that's been seen
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on the small screen because some of my absolute favorite
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Star Wars of all time is the animated stuff, right?
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From the Clone Wars, from the.
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Bad Batch, some of the Tales of stories that we've gotten.
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I mean, Rebels, right? That last season of Rebels. It's
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just like– so that's not what I'm saying, but I
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do think that it would behoove Star Wars– To really
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focus on finding its big screen footing again. And I
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only think that that could help then the things that
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you see on.
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The small screen as well.
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And I don't think that Star Wars necessarily has the
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kind of problem that you get with.
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Like Marvel and DC and these other things where they're
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trying to do all of these different areas because Star
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Wars also can easily jump around time periods with different
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things in a way that those can't. Right. Because, you know,
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they're always in the mode of like trying to tell
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that continuous story of whatever phase they're in, you know.
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Star Wars doesn't have that issue. I think that's one
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of the benefits you have in Star Wars.
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Yeah, I... See, I just.
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I think that because the book.
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Area is dying. I'm sorry.
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It's very true.
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It really is.
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I think that the opportunity here is there are fans
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who want it.
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So.
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Let's move away from the reading aspect as much as
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it kills me to say so, because I read constantly.
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I love books. I will always love books. I will
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always read until the day I die. But let's embrace
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the stuff of the now, which is let's throw.
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I mean, it.
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Really is a thing where I think what you need
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to do is that the dividing line you need to
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draw is that streaming is the era of the expanded
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universe stuff, which my wife never read. She had no
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idea it ever existed, but when the prequels came out,
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she was excited. The star Wars movie came out. So
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I think that's, that's the line that you, you, you,
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that's the tight rope that you walk with that. So,
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you know, that, that's what I would offer. And I
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think that, That's a way to keep the brand fresh
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and new. And also, look, man, it's uncomfortable to me
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how difficult it is for every single entity to figure
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out how to do television again.
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We used to be able to do this, guys. We
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used to be able to do 24 episodes a year.
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Cheers.
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Cheers.
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One of the funniest shows in the history of television.
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Did 24 episodes a year. Knocked them out.
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Bangers.
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Just nonstop.
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I think we can get back there. I think that's
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what we got to get to in order for it
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to work.
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Well, and I agree with you there.
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I mean, I think, you know, look, these shows in general, especially,
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you know, have to get back to being able to
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create them more quickly.
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Yeah.
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And not have five years between each season. I mean,
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the fact that we've had this many years between season
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one and two of Ahsoka is just kind of nuts. Right.
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And so, look, I hope that it's great and I'm
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sure it will be, you know, and really what it
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just means. I hope that the production value of it looks,
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you know, bonkers.
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But, you know, and. In some ways, I get it.
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Back when we were doing Game of Thrones season six
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and seven, each one of those episodes was legitimately the
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same scale as a film, right? And that's not a joke.
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And so it made sense as to why those seasons
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would take longer. But let's be honest. That's not what
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Star Wars is doing, right? They're not doing that on
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that scale. And so I think that we just need
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to figure out– and this is what I'd say, the
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biggest part of this, and especially with Star Wars right now.
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I think that now that you have firm footing with
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who's in charge– And that everything that's going to come
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out after Starfighter and Ahsoka Season.
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2 is.
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What Dave has in mind. I think that's just going
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to be interesting to see what the plan is going forward.
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And I think that he probably– as much as anyone
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could ha would have the best idea of what needs
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to be in what medium to help it shine because
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he's now worked in all of the mediums, right? Uh,
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he's worked, uh, on television with, uh, the Mandalorian shows, uh,
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and the rest of the shows that they've done. He's
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worked obviously in animation and he's helped, uh, you know,
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with filming, you know, he's been behind the scenes with
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the last Jedi. He's been behind the scenes, uh, on set, uh,
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filming things on the Mandalorian Grogu. So the man who
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really has an understanding of, of what kind of goes
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into all of these different mediums. And I think that'll help,
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Then moving forward where we can hopefully have a good
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plan that will actually happen and I think that's just
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the other thing that we come down to. It's like
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almost in Star Wars. It's not so much like what's
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it going to be on. It's just like are we
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going to announce things and is it going to actually happen?
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And so hopefully we just end up with a run
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here where that's what we start to get because I
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think that's the other thing too is that so many of.
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These franchises– and it's not just Star Wars.
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But a lot of them have struggled with just actually
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getting things made because they're so focused on creating franchises
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and building them that they're not actually just thinking of
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each movie in general. And I think that's the thing
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where it's like, man. Maybe we just need to start
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making sure that we actually get things made and that
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they're good stuff so that people want to keep coming
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back in the first place. Right.
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I go back to the people who were not big
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on The Mandalorian and Grogu. One of the responses I
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had to everybody was at least they announced it and
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it happened. Yeah. So that's a huge step for the
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Star Wars franchise in the modern era is we got
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back to the old school, which was they announced a
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movie and I saw it.
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Look, Ma, a movie in theaters.
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Exactly. I made a poster and it actually happened.
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And I can tell you that that is an amazing thing.
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But another amazing thing is that people can reach out
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to you, Matt, online and argue with you about where
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they see the future of Star Wars content. So where
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can they find you online to harass you as much
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as I enjoy doing so?
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I mean, you can find me online at MattRushing02. That's
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my name all over social media. You can try and
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harass me and think you're right, but you can't.
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Probably won't be if you're anything like John.
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You can also find me all over this network with
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not just this show, but I've got Owl Post talking
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about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series. And
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over in the TFM network doing the 602 Club talking
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about all of the.
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Franchises we love.
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Plus a lot of great Star Trek talk with my
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good friend Chris Jones. And we just finished Strange New
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World Season 4. We're diving into 60th Anniversary Rewatch of
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the original series.
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And all of our other rewatchers.
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Are continuing with Deep Space Nine and Enterprise and Voyager.
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So check us out over there.
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But, John, maybe people have some thoughts about what types
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of movies or shows they'd like to see like that
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listener did.
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Where would they find you?
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Well, gosh, you would find me as Kessel Junkie online
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and you can also find me, you know, as Kessel Junkie.
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over on KesselJunkie.com on a blog that I maintain sporadically,
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sometimes in fits and starts. But, you know, I have
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fun with it. And you can find me here on
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the network co-hosting a show with Tristan Riddell and Darren
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Moser called House Lights. We have a lot of fun
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with that. We finally got around to talking about one
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of my favorite directors, John Carpenter. a guy who, as
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much as George Lucas, probably formed my artistic tastes.
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Take that how you will.
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And you can, of course, find me over on Goodreads
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and Letterboxd, where I talk about books and movies. And
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I love talking about books and movies, so.
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There you go.
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But Matt, I'm going to be honest with you that
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right now, the thing that is most on my mind
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is that the latest episode of John Rules the Galaxy,
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is on Back at the Temple. So will you join me, please,
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and close these negotiations?
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Is that a show?
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These negotiations are closed.
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It's a show in my mind.
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Darn it.
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Join the revolution.
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Join the nerd party.
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It does.
