Rebecca Lynn: Welcome to the Risen Collective podcast. I'm so excited for this episode. this is Camilla, and Camilla and I have known each other for quite a while now, and she is such an incredible human. She's an amazing mom. She's an an unspeakable friend,
Camila: It is under human it is under people.
Rebecca Lynn: like just the best. your empathy is next level, but also her fire in Wanting her clients and her friends to be the their best selves. That's like something that instantly comes to mind when I think of you, Camilla. because you've seen me through some moments where I've wanted to give up, and you have been my cheerleader th who has seen honestly the potential in me that I didn't even see in myself. And so that's why I am just so honored, so excited, so stoked to have you on the podcast and to share you with my audience today.
Camila: Aw, thank you so much. I do see you so much potential. That's so true. Like I see you like, my gosh, this girl can move like everything. But yeah, thank you so much.
Rebecca Lynn: You are so sweet.
Camila: Then I feel honored to be here.
Rebecca Lynn: Yay. And I feel like that is just you. Like I love that about who you are is just someone who sees so much in in others and and cheers them on along the way. And I think this
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: yeah, this topic that we're gonna talk about today is gonna be
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: so important.
Camila: You know, that's something that I've learned not long ago. Like it being that I can act I thought everyone you could see that, as I did. Like you know what I mean? Like it's something that I thought, can you see? Like how beautiful is that you think that that thing that you're doing, like how important and how much that that brings the impact. And then the people like, no, like how? Like I do think but I do like Been studying that with Enneagram, I've been and I learned that we kind of integrate what we for example I am type four and for type fours, two, three, and fours, we seek bonding, we seek connection. And for type four especially. the connection that we feel it comes from feeling that we are being seen. And because I think because I did not felt that way growing up, I kind of developed that sort of a gift noticing
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: others like what they have of special, what they bring, because they like the unique way to think, the unique way to bring and work and talk. And like it's just just a unique frequency. I think I kind of developed that like on early on in my life, but it it was recent when I kinda connect to the dots and just to like because so many people say that to me, like so many people, you see
Rebecca Lynn: yeah.
Camila: that. I'm like, why don't you? Like it's just
Rebecca Lynn: And I love that, like even just y you get so passionate about them and their gifts and what they have to share.
Camila: You get so passionate about them and their yes what they have. I love that. my gosh, I love it. my gosh. This is like the best part of my job. It's I feel like so blessed to bring like I can even imagine any job better than that. Like I can like show people what they have, like their gifts and then when they actually realize it's like you see like their li like their eyes. Like lighting up, and and then we can find social proof. I can find yeah, you're right. I did this and I did that, I transformed that. Like it's it's just it's the best job that I can ever like. It's I'm so grateful to be able to work with that, like honestly. you know, when you have this job that you feel like, can I make money with that? Because it's kind of so good, I could do it for free, and it's something that I tell people like. What is the kind of job that you want you could work? joy and like and then we go like w along with that, bringing the like the the the the the the job market perspective and then we kind of combine this both. Like, well, 'cause I have like my certification in career development, right? So that I'm gonna talk about that later. But then with that is the right strategy you can combine. You can absolute combine and that's again, that's is that's something that I really like to do because some people
Rebecca Lynn: So
Camila: they have some people have like this idea that job needs to be like something that's painful, that I need to wait for my weekend, like just start Monday and just like Hold on to that ladies, I can carry that until Friday and then you know what mean? and wait for until I retired and that's so sad.
Rebecca Lynn: yeah, and that's exactly how you operate. And and you've found your your niche and your gift to bring
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: the world. And it is so it's it's really cool how you've used these strengths that you have just internally, right? Of giving them advice and seeing their magic. But then also the joy of just being able to take that and connect from there.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: can you tell us a little bit about like what you do and kind of how you help, you know, parents and single moms and single dads and everyone even
Camila: Yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: to take that next step and and how you do it more in terms of your career?
Camila: Yeah, I'm what I call a career identity coach because it I believe that we need to work both sides, like in the terms of strategies to get the job that you want, a career job, but also we need to understand our gifts and our limitations, our blocks and like work through that to get and then like to work with what I call like the external part, like the internal part and external part. what I see is there are like so many people that are out there that is like I have a PhD, I have IV league, I but like so many different certification experience if that and they are looking that still they are looking for job for like years sometimes years even and so that that gives us d this the the understanding that it doesn't mean like your experience your your resume and that how much you can show that you have that some like their skills like hard skills it doesn't mean literally anything if you don't have if you don't embody your gifts for real like if it's not really with you You're not translating that energy at that frequency of transformation that it's written in the resume that's not gonna match, or sometimes it does match and you're able to get the job, but that's not gonna last because
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: of the imposter imposter syndrome. so that's when people like start doubing themselves, like why
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: why? I have clients saying, like, I got the perfect job, but then I started like separating myself because I wasn't sure I even deserved to be there. I look it around, like my peers, my colleagues, they were so great, so awesome. I I felt like I was like a fraud. I wasn't I wasn't supposed to be there. And that's internal. so and I started working with that. I had Background in HR. More than 10 years in HR. I moved to Canada because my husband came to Canada to do his master degree. And I literally had to start over again. So for me, it was like a lot of identity. It
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: was like an identity crisis, like all together, like my culture, culture, my language. I had like no English English at all when I came here. I had like my little one, he was only one, so I was kind of discovering myself as a mother in a different country. And my background, my professional background was like gone. so I had to do like this. Am I like what I want to do? The only thing I did know it was I wanted to work with people like somehow. So first I studied the language. It took me like a couple of years, and I applied for a postgrad called career development because I wanted to combine my HR background with some kind of coaching orientation kind of thing. So I did. when I finished my postgrad, it was the time to actually go to work. And then so I had I had my postgrad. I graduated and I was okay, now I can just work. And then it hit me. Then I understood like you know what? My blocks are the thing like I I needed to. understand like my identity like who is Camilla like what do I want? Who I am like you know what I mean so I had to go dip dip dip dip on my blocks because like I
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: had a cap inside of me where I could not understand but accept allow myself to be A mother, I'm okay. I can be a mother. can I add that being an immigrant, like start a new language and a ducan? Sure, I can do that. I did. And then can you do like a job that you really love and be like that lucky to work in a second language and with a job that you really love helping people? And then that was my cap. I don't know, that's that's too much. Maybe I can do some entry entry job. you know what I mean? It was like dip down my block, it was deep down. And then I was like, what's going on? Why I'm freezing? I need to do it. And then I start doing like interviews for internships. I needed to do like co-op. and that it was so I felt like a fraud like all the time. It's it was I felt in my body like it was lying, even though I wasn't. And
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: and it was amazing because I got the interview. I got I I got the the internship. I got right away, like the first month they were like, You actually we want to hire you. Like so and then I started working with them. it's it was a college, so it was like guiding students. to go to the workflow or workforce when they were graduating. And then I started working with them. So my first client, my first student, I was guiding, she was she was me months before. So she was at she was like so nervous to go to interviewing all that, going through all this process. I talked to my colleague, I cannot just give her tips on like resumes and LinkedIn and how to present herself in interviews. I need to work hard like with her anxiety and self-steem and all that. So I did, and I used the enneagram, and she did got the job like first thing, and but the first time. Like she did she have tried like so many times before. And they were like, Camilla, this is a very hard j very hard case. are you up to it? Sure, let's try. my gosh. But then she because she was actually crying. She was she would have like a very emotional reaction every time she was trying to do the interview. She was like really too much for her. She was out of the workforce for like 10, 20 years and coming back was too much. Like and but then she got the job. She called me so happy. And and that was when I knew like okay, I need to work with that. I need to do the inside work first because it's it it's it it's not only with me, it's it works. yeah so
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. I love this.
Camila: That's how it started.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. my gosh. I love this origin story. it's really interesting and I love how you talked about how you felt this imposter syndrome because I noticed this
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: with a lot of my friends and a lot of single moms, especially, or those who are getting out of divorce, who maybe are entering the workforce or wanting to pivot. And I see them applying for jobs where I am like, Whoa, that is like way below like your pay grade or your level. Like you are like 10 years past that. That's what you would give to like a whatever, a 20-year-old if I'm talking to someone in their 30s. And I'm like, this is so wild, but it's it's awkward for me because I don't I'm I'm obviously not gonna push somebody to do a job that they
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: don't feel prepared or don't read feel ready for, but I think it is this self-sabotaging feeling. And I've caught myself in that too of like. I'm there's no way I'm qualified for that. There's no way, you know, and I don't remember what happened with me when that shifted in my career or in my life. But that's really amazing that you can help people shift out of that because it is, it's a state of being and you attract what you think that you're qualified for. And if you start by like thinking you're qualified to be in the room, then you will be qualified to be in the room. It's it's a you thing more than anyone else.
Camila: Yeah. absolutely. And it's not with every client that you can you get to talk about the energy and the frequency and how you attract and you know like that sometimes you need to go around to like depending on the kind of the belief system they have. But it's it's exactly that, like exactly that. you're just gonna grow as much as you can see yourself but you need to feel that in your body. You need to actually be comfortable with that, like not anxious or nervous or afraid because we we can fear success as well. But what happens when with the motherhood that's that's that's a whole other level. Cause we are so focused on being a mother that it actually our identity will shift. Like even like our brain, it's it it's proved proven right now that it will change. Like because of our priorities. Like for the it will be like always your little one will be your priority. Like you just get used to that flow of attention. And focus and then what I see with my clients and then what they look around it like okay but how how can I even go back to that identity that can can be good at something other than being a parent.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. I think this shift is so wild. And as someone who I work in tech, right? And I started in tech before I became a mom, doing
Camila: Mm.
Rebecca Lynn: the same job that I'm doing now. And so I've actually been able to watch like the person I was 10 years ago before I became a mom and how I showed up in the same exact role in the same exact job in the same exact male-dominated industry to
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: now. And it's cool because Y I started out by fighting that, right? Like when I became a mom, I started out by being like, Nope, like I will be just as good as the boys. Like I'm gonna show that like I don't have children
Camila: Okay.
Rebecca Lynn: at home, right? Like I'm not up every three hours, like, you know, I'm I'm I'm gonna fake it and pretend like I'm just like one of the boys. But it was so hard. And it wasn't
Camila: my gosh, yes Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: until I switched and flipped and was like, wait a second, why am I fighting these amazing qualities that motherhood has taught me, like empathy
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: and intuition and being able to read the room and emotions. And even in something where it is like tech and you know not very motherly at all, I can bring something so wild and different into the room. And I think that is the key is is finding not like fitting yourself into the room, but like finding
Camila: Mm-hmm.
Rebecca Lynn: how the room can work for you and like how you
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: can change the way you're showing up.
Camila: my gosh, that's so perfect. That's exactly that. my gosh, you nail it. Yes. So when you realize that that's actually your highest version and authenticity, it's where it's when you actually grow and it's it's your It's it's really rare to people to see that, especially for moms again. So congratulations. that's that's amazing. because especially for tech. I worked with as a recruiter for tech for a couple of years. And I always say, and now I I'm doing another leadership work with another company that's also tech leadership development and for those so you're gonna see those with some skills that's more I won't say feminine but it's more intuition and reading the room and for those that have that they it they often see themselves like I there's something wrong with me because I'm not like the that nerd stereotype kind of thing but it's actually a superpower for like for sales for customers, dealing with customers after sales. Anyway, like it's just like for the developing for leadership. I say that to them, like it it it's it's kind of hard for them to understand to integrate that information. day to day that's but then eventually they understand and they use that other use use that as a superpower more as than rather than like feeling that they're feeling they're behind. I do
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: work with some people that use that as human connection as well. So because It's like you they work with the codes, for example, but when you have this human the this ability to read the room and this human connection to understand, even if you can understand things that you cannot tell, that you cannot say, but you feel it, that's something that comes with the after you have kids. Yeah. For most of us.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah.
Camila: For i it is a different different kind, but it is a superpower.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. I agree. that mother intuition just like has spilled into work. And honestly,
Camila: Yes. Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: it's given me also the confidence. over time, right? At the beginning, I was terrible at this. At the beginning, I was trying to pretend like, you know, I was following all the directions and doing the masculine way.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: and then I moved to a new job and I was like, you know what, this is where I'm gonna start over. And I'm just gonna embrace being a woman because I can't help it. And Yeah, the more that I do it, the more that actually people start have they've started listening to me. And the more that I stand in my power and trust that because I know my intuition is right, I can walk in and say like, hey, this isn't right. Whereas in the past they'd be like, you don't know what you're talking about. But now they're like, okay, tell me more. What tell me what to do then? Or, you know, whatever, because I I believe what I'm saying and they can feel that.
Camila: I love that. Yes. And yeah, because this is if you believe that you're what you're saying, you feel that in your body, and that's the message. And then they're gonna believe that because you embody that information. And that changes
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could be.
Camila: everything.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. And I think that's like the same place with work. I've I've noticed even in, you know, the past year where I've been a little bit more conscious of how I feel about situations or, you know, the like you said, the patterns and the wounds or whatever that show up and kind of looking deeper. And I've realized Like when I am scared to lose my job for whatever ridiculous reason, right? Like I think anybody who's in tech, right? You're afraid of AI, you're afraid of whoever to taking your job.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. And when I let those fears get to me, I start to sabotage myself in weird ways. Like I I start to panic that every call with my manager is gonna be because he's
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: telling me they're downsizing, you know, and I I go crazy
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: and it's almost like He can feel that too. And he's like, should
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: I be worried about you? What's going on? And so it is like that self-sabotaging pattern of I
Camila: Uh-huh.
Rebecca Lynn: wonder as well when you're interviewing or when you're going through the application process. If you're like,
Camila: yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: there's no way I'm gonna get this, they can feel that. And nobody wants to hire somebody who doesn't feel like they're qualified.
Camila: yeah. and that's and that's a big thing with AI because now you can you can do like do your resume and everything with AI. You can do match. There's a lot of apps you can match with the right it's amazing. Like the tool is amazing. But then eventually you're gonna need to do the interview, right? And again, if you don't embody that the other information that was matched in the job description as you said you did because you were telling I'm I'm doing all that stuff. probably as a recruiter I know that they're gonna ask you some social proof like where, when what did you do how did you do it how was it for you? When you tell like especially when you were gonna say How was it for you? How do you feel that it was played? then you're gonna there's no way to lie. Like that your body's gonna tell the truth. that's crazy. That's
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: This actually makes me curious too. I remember a long time ago, like earlier on in my career, as I'm joining these like, you know, women groups, I remember them mentioning things like stats about how Men can hit 25% of a job description and be like, cool, I'll apply. Like, no problem. I'll, I'll go for this job anyway. And women can hit 25% and be like, there's no way. And they ignore those opportunities. And I think they say that's like especially at the leadership level, or maybe like why some women
Camila: Yes. yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: sabotage like going for the manager position, because we're like, well, I've never managed a team of six people before. So I don't check that box. So there's no way I'm. Qualified, I better not even try. Whereas a man will be like, I'll figure it out, or whatever, typically, right? and
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: so with your clients, do you what do you think about that, especially too, of like translating your experience into something that checks a box even if you're not totally qualified, or like being able to hold yourself as qualified even if you don't check every box?
Camila: What I do is work to find social proof each one of the boxes. Because we if we do that, like for the 25%, we are gonna go for that and then gonna check the box and social proof. for for example, I am really good at multitasking or I'm very organized. and sometimes it's really the wording. Like, no, I don't do that. Okay, but this is the same thing. You know what I mean? It's just need to connect and see, like, that what does that mean? And then you're gonna go for social proof. Said, like, yeah, you're right. I did that once. no, and then when I was like volunteering at the church, I was really good with the finances and they asked me to do that. And I was able to pull up the list of this and then increase that. And then that's you know, like it's just like and then like that is the social proof that they need to use that for re-rewing you the brain instead of telling the negative perspective, just just do this exercise of telling this positive perspective. using that because it's they're all they're all the same. Our brain doesn't know. They just a matter of like fit the brain, right? With that perspective,
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: that positive. Because like we as women like since the big childhood we as a society tend to cheer for a boy that doing that's doing something silly. And be in adventures. my gosh, that's so cool. Go. And not so much as for a girl. Like for a girl who is doing something silly. we as a society will be like, maybe you shouldn't do that. Maybe just you know, you're being too much.
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: and I see that every day with clients. Like they it you're right, they're so different. And that's just that there's There's a reason for that. We were raised to be to co be contained, to like not being too much.
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: and that's why it's so i it's harder with women. I that's what I see at least.
Rebecca Lynn: Think so too. I think I saw something recently that blew my mind where it was like when you see men crying or screaming at a football game, you're like, my gosh, she's so passionate. But if you see a girl crying
Camila: my gosh, yes.
Rebecca Lynn: or screaming at like a Harry Styles concert or like a Taylor Swift concert or whatever, it's like, my gosh, she's like a maniac, whatever, like she's crazy. and
Camila: Yeah. Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: it's like the same passion, it's the same exact feeling that someone has and it's the same exact whatever. But when women do it, it's Deemed like hysterical.
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: and so I think that's really interesting that you bring that up. That like in a lot of cases, women are conditioned in that way to shrink and to also
Camila: Yeah. yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: put others before them of like, well, he's gonna be so much better at this than me because he's more of a leader, like he's more whatever. He can stay up until midnight working on this project, and I have children at home. And you can say
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: that. But also there are so many reasons why a woman might be a better leader in in ways that this guy who maybe he can work for twelve hours straight, but like you can read the room. And like I think you can't discount every single thing because you think someone else can do it better than you because of what you think is best for the job. That might not be what's best. Kind of like you said that self-talk.
Camila: Yeah, it is the self-talk. it's the way you see yourself. But the problem is what it's that we learn how to see ourselves based on how our caregivers did sa ourselves, right? So we learned this way to adapt to feel safe. for many of us it was overgiving. and that it comes recognition from overgiving it's really tricky because for women it's expected to be like more and for a mother more and more and more so f for that mother to go back for example a mother that wasn't working and was raising The child for a while and then to go back. It's I would say with 80% of this work, it's internal. It's not about a resume. It's internal. It's just this feeling of knowing that you can actually do that, that you're gonna be accepted. There's so much fear, like what they're thinking, and then they start. looking for reasons to not go well well my kid might be sick I don't I don't I'm not gonna you know what I mean just like just self-sabotage like just but like one after another like reasons to convince themselves to that same narrative that brings this you should you you that that shrink you that is shrinks you that's what you think you are there's so many things, but deep deep deep down at some point we all heard that growing up or like at school, but it's definitely something that we do here more in as a woman for sure.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. my gosh, I love this. And it's really cool because that's kind of where you start with your process too, is is understanding you and like who you are and
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: like how you can help a client is is also I I know you also look at kind of those wounds and those blocks and those inner
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: that inner work to help someone alongside the the 3D things, like alongside the worldly things that you need for a job. Like you can't just woo your way into skipping a resume or an interview or whatever. But
Camila: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: but like you are really good at that balance of both. And I think that's where a lot of other career coaches, like you said, they focus on, you know, the resume when really the real issue is the internal stuff. And if you can shift that first, then the rest of the stuff is just like, you know, table stakes.
Camila: It is. and sometimes you are being prepared for something that's bigger because you cannot understand how big you can get. That works that that that that actually happens a lot. Like when sometimes I see the potation, but I if I tell right now, if I say like look, you can actually do this and that and that I'm gonna scare the the my client off. You know what I mean? You need to go, maybe you can try this and this and there's a limit that's we can hold of information of imagining and seeing yourself even growing and even in a positive way and we are humans are so like it's just so crazy but there is the limit that we can go and sometimes can be scary so what i do it's working like block by block and and understanding how much that block can be like how long we can we need to work on that first block looking for as i said before looking for social proof and then to embody that perception of and of themselves and their own identity and that scene witnessing that shift, it's it's it's amazing. it's it's something it's it's unique. 'Cause that's gonna last. probably in the future, like for another you know what I mean, it's just like a spiral. You're always going to find another block there, here and that, but like this one it's not gonna come again because it's cleared.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. And you're safe to exist. And you're not, you know,
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: you're not prone to self-sabotage because whatever that inner fear, that inner, you know, child or or whatever it is that's scared to not be liked or scared to be rejected or or whatever you're like you're not gonna going to apply for the job because you don't want to be a rejected. or whatever the other block might be. It's like once you heal that, then you're like, cool, I'm not. I'm not afraid of being rejected anymore. I can apply for the job. I can go be the CEO if I want. Like there's nothing that
Camila: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Rebecca Lynn: like there's literally no restriction anymore, which is just so magical.
Camila: It is, it is. it is magical. Cause that yeah, that's true. like and for women, especially mothers and overgivers, sometimes there's a beauty of redirecting the the energy of giving. For example, I have a client right now that she is type two in Eagram that's so her empathy is high, so she can she always put the others in the first place and she's like overgiver and they need she has the need to be needed. She works with finances in a company, I know. But and so the way that she shows that That skill is like being extremely organized. So when anyone needs any information, it's there. So that's it. She channeled her.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: But then the beauty of that is she told me that she it's so happy working now because she used to like she was focusing on her she has two adult kit k sons and And then she went back to work like five, ten years ago, I would say. And she said I was I was never so happy because now I feel like I've been my my work's been valued, like I can I feel recognized, which I didn't feel before when I was home. But I I thought the beauty of that is that she is overgivers and she knows that she gives Like she knows that she can feel that in her body. Like she has like anxiety and stuff. She deals with that. But she knows how to she learned how to channel that in a positive way.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: And she's so happy now that she said, look, I love my job. This is the best part of my life. So much so that I don't tell people about it. Because I feel like every like all my friends hate their jobs. And it's something like it's my secret. You what I mean?
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: Because people are gonna
Rebecca Lynn: we can relate to that. that's funny.
Camila: look at me like I'm a weirdo because I absolutely love my job. And I thought it makes sense because it's just like she w found a way to channel that energy of giving. She feels good of giving. This is her. And she would understood that and she just found a way to make money with that and be happy.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yes. I love that. Camilla, this is so this has been such a fun time. And I think that's really cool because you not only help people who are obviously like looking for a career, right? Like that is your bread and butter, easy peasy to do the interview
Camila: Yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: process, but also like being happy in your career that you have. You don't always have to leave your job. It doesn't always have to be the thing that like
Camila: No.
Rebecca Lynn: is the reason you exist. Some people like Work to live. And that is perfectly okay, especially if you can find
Camila: Nice.
Rebecca Lynn: ways to be filled up in some capacity with what you have today in the ways that you just described.
Camila: Yeah, and also there's the triggers. when you understand what's triggering you, sometimes you have the boss you don't like, sometimes you have you know the environment that you don't like, understanding what kind of environment is best for you is also a key point, like it's so important. sometimes
Rebecca Lynn: Interesting.
Camila: it's not only the job. It's not specifically that the the job. It can be a coworker. It can be so then you if you understand what's triggering you from that person, because you know your wound, your own wound, you can play with that. You know what I mean? That's not my you can understand, look, that's not mine. That's that's that's just my wound telling me that I'm in danger, but I'm not. And that's that's another thing that can be done. Because sometimes it's easy to people for people just to just like, I I just hate it, but I don't know. Then I go like why? Explain why. Because that there you need to go deep.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: but if you don't have this understanding about your triggers you can tell. Like it's just like I don't feel it's it it I don't feel comfortable. But why? There's a th you know what I mean? Just go deep and deep to understand what is that that's happening.
Rebecca Lynn: I love it. yeah. That is it that's so exciting. I'm so interested. I feel like I wanna have a one-on-one with you now after we've just chatted. It's just so much fun to talk to you. I feel like I'm so excited to continue to share your work. And we actually are collaborating on a
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: workshop in two weeks on October 28th. I will put the sign up and the info in the show notes, but I think that is gonna be so much fun. It's free to attend live. we'll offer a recording if you sign up as well. but I think that's gonna be really fun to outline, you know, w what you do and and how else and and go even much deeper than what we talked about today.
Camila: Yeah, my idea is to go deeper for sure. to understand the wants of each. I we are not gonna go through like only for types, but of patterns and like the gifts and the wants and the best environment for which one. And then my hope is like anyone as a beginner can understand like I can recognize myself here as a perfectionist and like which environment may be it might be good for me, you know. That's that's why that my hope is to help a any kind of beginner in terms of enneagram, but just recognizing the patterns.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Ooh, I love it. And if you are listening to this and you have a specific question, we'll add a spot in the sign-up where you could maybe ask a specific question and we'll try to answer it live on the call if we have time. and do some like QA that way. I think that would be really fun as well. So yay. Awesome.
Camila: Yeah, for sure.
Rebecca Lynn: Welcome. It was so nice to have you on the podcast. As always, I think that we'll probably do this again because this was so much fun. and I'm so excited to See you again in two weeks. And yeah, if you need more information, I'll put Camilla's you know, socials and all of that. make sure you follow along and then sign up for our free workshop because that's gonna be awesome.
Camila: Thank you. Thank you so much, Rebecca. That was amazing. I do feel like we need to talk more. It's just I've it's a I I I just I love your energy and it's just so welcoming and yeah, I'm excited for the workshop.
Rebecca Lynn: Okay. It'll be so much fun. Okay, see ya.
Camila: See ya.
Rebecca Lynn: There we go.
Camila: It is under human it is under people.
Rebecca Lynn: like just the best. your empathy is next level, but also her fire in Wanting her clients and her friends to be the their best selves. That's like something that instantly comes to mind when I think of you, Camilla. because you've seen me through some moments where I've wanted to give up, and you have been my cheerleader th who has seen honestly the potential in me that I didn't even see in myself. And so that's why I am just so honored, so excited, so stoked to have you on the podcast and to share you with my audience today.
Camila: Aw, thank you so much. I do see you so much potential. That's so true. Like I see you like, my gosh, this girl can move like everything. But yeah, thank you so much.
Rebecca Lynn: You are so sweet.
Camila: Then I feel honored to be here.
Rebecca Lynn: Yay. And I feel like that is just you. Like I love that about who you are is just someone who sees so much in in others and and cheers them on along the way. And I think this
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: yeah, this topic that we're gonna talk about today is gonna be
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: so important.
Camila: You know, that's something that I've learned not long ago. Like it being that I can act I thought everyone you could see that, as I did. Like you know what I mean? Like it's something that I thought, can you see? Like how beautiful is that you think that that thing that you're doing, like how important and how much that that brings the impact. And then the people like, no, like how? Like I do think but I do like Been studying that with Enneagram, I've been and I learned that we kind of integrate what we for example I am type four and for type fours, two, three, and fours, we seek bonding, we seek connection. And for type four especially. the connection that we feel it comes from feeling that we are being seen. And because I think because I did not felt that way growing up, I kind of developed that sort of a gift noticing
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: others like what they have of special, what they bring, because they like the unique way to think, the unique way to bring and work and talk. And like it's just just a unique frequency. I think I kind of developed that like on early on in my life, but it it was recent when I kinda connect to the dots and just to like because so many people say that to me, like so many people, you see
Rebecca Lynn: yeah.
Camila: that. I'm like, why don't you? Like it's just
Rebecca Lynn: And I love that, like even just y you get so passionate about them and their gifts and what they have to share.
Camila: You get so passionate about them and their yes what they have. I love that. my gosh, I love it. my gosh. This is like the best part of my job. It's I feel like so blessed to bring like I can even imagine any job better than that. Like I can like show people what they have, like their gifts and then when they actually realize it's like you see like their li like their eyes. Like lighting up, and and then we can find social proof. I can find yeah, you're right. I did this and I did that, I transformed that. Like it's it's just it's the best job that I can ever like. It's I'm so grateful to be able to work with that, like honestly. you know, when you have this job that you feel like, can I make money with that? Because it's kind of so good, I could do it for free, and it's something that I tell people like. What is the kind of job that you want you could work? joy and like and then we go like w along with that, bringing the like the the the the the the job market perspective and then we kind of combine this both. Like, well, 'cause I have like my certification in career development, right? So that I'm gonna talk about that later. But then with that is the right strategy you can combine. You can absolute combine and that's again, that's is that's something that I really like to do because some people
Rebecca Lynn: So
Camila: they have some people have like this idea that job needs to be like something that's painful, that I need to wait for my weekend, like just start Monday and just like Hold on to that ladies, I can carry that until Friday and then you know what mean? and wait for until I retired and that's so sad.
Rebecca Lynn: yeah, and that's exactly how you operate. And and you've found your your niche and your gift to bring
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: the world. And it is so it's it's really cool how you've used these strengths that you have just internally, right? Of giving them advice and seeing their magic. But then also the joy of just being able to take that and connect from there.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: can you tell us a little bit about like what you do and kind of how you help, you know, parents and single moms and single dads and everyone even
Camila: Yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: to take that next step and and how you do it more in terms of your career?
Camila: Yeah, I'm what I call a career identity coach because it I believe that we need to work both sides, like in the terms of strategies to get the job that you want, a career job, but also we need to understand our gifts and our limitations, our blocks and like work through that to get and then like to work with what I call like the external part, like the internal part and external part. what I see is there are like so many people that are out there that is like I have a PhD, I have IV league, I but like so many different certification experience if that and they are looking that still they are looking for job for like years sometimes years even and so that that gives us d this the the understanding that it doesn't mean like your experience your your resume and that how much you can show that you have that some like their skills like hard skills it doesn't mean literally anything if you don't have if you don't embody your gifts for real like if it's not really with you You're not translating that energy at that frequency of transformation that it's written in the resume that's not gonna match, or sometimes it does match and you're able to get the job, but that's not gonna last because
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: of the imposter imposter syndrome. so that's when people like start doubing themselves, like why
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: why? I have clients saying, like, I got the perfect job, but then I started like separating myself because I wasn't sure I even deserved to be there. I look it around, like my peers, my colleagues, they were so great, so awesome. I I felt like I was like a fraud. I wasn't I wasn't supposed to be there. And that's internal. so and I started working with that. I had Background in HR. More than 10 years in HR. I moved to Canada because my husband came to Canada to do his master degree. And I literally had to start over again. So for me, it was like a lot of identity. It
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: was like an identity crisis, like all together, like my culture, culture, my language. I had like no English English at all when I came here. I had like my little one, he was only one, so I was kind of discovering myself as a mother in a different country. And my background, my professional background was like gone. so I had to do like this. Am I like what I want to do? The only thing I did know it was I wanted to work with people like somehow. So first I studied the language. It took me like a couple of years, and I applied for a postgrad called career development because I wanted to combine my HR background with some kind of coaching orientation kind of thing. So I did. when I finished my postgrad, it was the time to actually go to work. And then so I had I had my postgrad. I graduated and I was okay, now I can just work. And then it hit me. Then I understood like you know what? My blocks are the thing like I I needed to. understand like my identity like who is Camilla like what do I want? Who I am like you know what I mean so I had to go dip dip dip dip on my blocks because like I
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: had a cap inside of me where I could not understand but accept allow myself to be A mother, I'm okay. I can be a mother. can I add that being an immigrant, like start a new language and a ducan? Sure, I can do that. I did. And then can you do like a job that you really love and be like that lucky to work in a second language and with a job that you really love helping people? And then that was my cap. I don't know, that's that's too much. Maybe I can do some entry entry job. you know what I mean? It was like dip down my block, it was deep down. And then I was like, what's going on? Why I'm freezing? I need to do it. And then I start doing like interviews for internships. I needed to do like co-op. and that it was so I felt like a fraud like all the time. It's it was I felt in my body like it was lying, even though I wasn't. And
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: and it was amazing because I got the interview. I got I I got the the internship. I got right away, like the first month they were like, You actually we want to hire you. Like so and then I started working with them. it's it was a college, so it was like guiding students. to go to the workflow or workforce when they were graduating. And then I started working with them. So my first client, my first student, I was guiding, she was she was me months before. So she was at she was like so nervous to go to interviewing all that, going through all this process. I talked to my colleague, I cannot just give her tips on like resumes and LinkedIn and how to present herself in interviews. I need to work hard like with her anxiety and self-steem and all that. So I did, and I used the enneagram, and she did got the job like first thing, and but the first time. Like she did she have tried like so many times before. And they were like, Camilla, this is a very hard j very hard case. are you up to it? Sure, let's try. my gosh. But then she because she was actually crying. She was she would have like a very emotional reaction every time she was trying to do the interview. She was like really too much for her. She was out of the workforce for like 10, 20 years and coming back was too much. Like and but then she got the job. She called me so happy. And and that was when I knew like okay, I need to work with that. I need to do the inside work first because it's it it's it it's not only with me, it's it works. yeah so
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. I love this.
Camila: That's how it started.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. my gosh. I love this origin story. it's really interesting and I love how you talked about how you felt this imposter syndrome because I noticed this
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: with a lot of my friends and a lot of single moms, especially, or those who are getting out of divorce, who maybe are entering the workforce or wanting to pivot. And I see them applying for jobs where I am like, Whoa, that is like way below like your pay grade or your level. Like you are like 10 years past that. That's what you would give to like a whatever, a 20-year-old if I'm talking to someone in their 30s. And I'm like, this is so wild, but it's it's awkward for me because I don't I'm I'm obviously not gonna push somebody to do a job that they
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: don't feel prepared or don't read feel ready for, but I think it is this self-sabotaging feeling. And I've caught myself in that too of like. I'm there's no way I'm qualified for that. There's no way, you know, and I don't remember what happened with me when that shifted in my career or in my life. But that's really amazing that you can help people shift out of that because it is, it's a state of being and you attract what you think that you're qualified for. And if you start by like thinking you're qualified to be in the room, then you will be qualified to be in the room. It's it's a you thing more than anyone else.
Camila: Yeah. absolutely. And it's not with every client that you can you get to talk about the energy and the frequency and how you attract and you know like that sometimes you need to go around to like depending on the kind of the belief system they have. But it's it's exactly that, like exactly that. you're just gonna grow as much as you can see yourself but you need to feel that in your body. You need to actually be comfortable with that, like not anxious or nervous or afraid because we we can fear success as well. But what happens when with the motherhood that's that's that's a whole other level. Cause we are so focused on being a mother that it actually our identity will shift. Like even like our brain, it's it it's proved proven right now that it will change. Like because of our priorities. Like for the it will be like always your little one will be your priority. Like you just get used to that flow of attention. And focus and then what I see with my clients and then what they look around it like okay but how how can I even go back to that identity that can can be good at something other than being a parent.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. I think this shift is so wild. And as someone who I work in tech, right? And I started in tech before I became a mom, doing
Camila: Mm.
Rebecca Lynn: the same job that I'm doing now. And so I've actually been able to watch like the person I was 10 years ago before I became a mom and how I showed up in the same exact role in the same exact job in the same exact male-dominated industry to
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: now. And it's cool because Y I started out by fighting that, right? Like when I became a mom, I started out by being like, Nope, like I will be just as good as the boys. Like I'm gonna show that like I don't have children
Camila: Okay.
Rebecca Lynn: at home, right? Like I'm not up every three hours, like, you know, I'm I'm I'm gonna fake it and pretend like I'm just like one of the boys. But it was so hard. And it wasn't
Camila: my gosh, yes Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: until I switched and flipped and was like, wait a second, why am I fighting these amazing qualities that motherhood has taught me, like empathy
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: and intuition and being able to read the room and emotions. And even in something where it is like tech and you know not very motherly at all, I can bring something so wild and different into the room. And I think that is the key is is finding not like fitting yourself into the room, but like finding
Camila: Mm-hmm.
Rebecca Lynn: how the room can work for you and like how you
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: can change the way you're showing up.
Camila: my gosh, that's so perfect. That's exactly that. my gosh, you nail it. Yes. So when you realize that that's actually your highest version and authenticity, it's where it's when you actually grow and it's it's your It's it's really rare to people to see that, especially for moms again. So congratulations. that's that's amazing. because especially for tech. I worked with as a recruiter for tech for a couple of years. And I always say, and now I I'm doing another leadership work with another company that's also tech leadership development and for those so you're gonna see those with some skills that's more I won't say feminine but it's more intuition and reading the room and for those that have that they it they often see themselves like I there's something wrong with me because I'm not like the that nerd stereotype kind of thing but it's actually a superpower for like for sales for customers, dealing with customers after sales. Anyway, like it's just like for the developing for leadership. I say that to them, like it it it's it's kind of hard for them to understand to integrate that information. day to day that's but then eventually they understand and they use that other use use that as a superpower more as than rather than like feeling that they're feeling they're behind. I do
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: work with some people that use that as human connection as well. So because It's like you they work with the codes, for example, but when you have this human the this ability to read the room and this human connection to understand, even if you can understand things that you cannot tell, that you cannot say, but you feel it, that's something that comes with the after you have kids. Yeah. For most of us.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah.
Camila: For i it is a different different kind, but it is a superpower.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. I agree. that mother intuition just like has spilled into work. And honestly,
Camila: Yes. Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: it's given me also the confidence. over time, right? At the beginning, I was terrible at this. At the beginning, I was trying to pretend like, you know, I was following all the directions and doing the masculine way.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: and then I moved to a new job and I was like, you know what, this is where I'm gonna start over. And I'm just gonna embrace being a woman because I can't help it. And Yeah, the more that I do it, the more that actually people start have they've started listening to me. And the more that I stand in my power and trust that because I know my intuition is right, I can walk in and say like, hey, this isn't right. Whereas in the past they'd be like, you don't know what you're talking about. But now they're like, okay, tell me more. What tell me what to do then? Or, you know, whatever, because I I believe what I'm saying and they can feel that.
Camila: I love that. Yes. And yeah, because this is if you believe that you're what you're saying, you feel that in your body, and that's the message. And then they're gonna believe that because you embody that information. And that changes
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could be.
Camila: everything.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. And I think that's like the same place with work. I've I've noticed even in, you know, the past year where I've been a little bit more conscious of how I feel about situations or, you know, the like you said, the patterns and the wounds or whatever that show up and kind of looking deeper. And I've realized Like when I am scared to lose my job for whatever ridiculous reason, right? Like I think anybody who's in tech, right? You're afraid of AI, you're afraid of whoever to taking your job.
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. And when I let those fears get to me, I start to sabotage myself in weird ways. Like I I start to panic that every call with my manager is gonna be because he's
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: telling me they're downsizing, you know, and I I go crazy
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: and it's almost like He can feel that too. And he's like, should
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: I be worried about you? What's going on? And so it is like that self-sabotaging pattern of I
Camila: Uh-huh.
Rebecca Lynn: wonder as well when you're interviewing or when you're going through the application process. If you're like,
Camila: yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: there's no way I'm gonna get this, they can feel that. And nobody wants to hire somebody who doesn't feel like they're qualified.
Camila: yeah. and that's and that's a big thing with AI because now you can you can do like do your resume and everything with AI. You can do match. There's a lot of apps you can match with the right it's amazing. Like the tool is amazing. But then eventually you're gonna need to do the interview, right? And again, if you don't embody that the other information that was matched in the job description as you said you did because you were telling I'm I'm doing all that stuff. probably as a recruiter I know that they're gonna ask you some social proof like where, when what did you do how did you do it how was it for you? When you tell like especially when you were gonna say How was it for you? How do you feel that it was played? then you're gonna there's no way to lie. Like that your body's gonna tell the truth. that's crazy. That's
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: This actually makes me curious too. I remember a long time ago, like earlier on in my career, as I'm joining these like, you know, women groups, I remember them mentioning things like stats about how Men can hit 25% of a job description and be like, cool, I'll apply. Like, no problem. I'll, I'll go for this job anyway. And women can hit 25% and be like, there's no way. And they ignore those opportunities. And I think they say that's like especially at the leadership level, or maybe like why some women
Camila: Yes. yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: sabotage like going for the manager position, because we're like, well, I've never managed a team of six people before. So I don't check that box. So there's no way I'm. Qualified, I better not even try. Whereas a man will be like, I'll figure it out, or whatever, typically, right? and
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: so with your clients, do you what do you think about that, especially too, of like translating your experience into something that checks a box even if you're not totally qualified, or like being able to hold yourself as qualified even if you don't check every box?
Camila: What I do is work to find social proof each one of the boxes. Because we if we do that, like for the 25%, we are gonna go for that and then gonna check the box and social proof. for for example, I am really good at multitasking or I'm very organized. and sometimes it's really the wording. Like, no, I don't do that. Okay, but this is the same thing. You know what I mean? It's just need to connect and see, like, that what does that mean? And then you're gonna go for social proof. Said, like, yeah, you're right. I did that once. no, and then when I was like volunteering at the church, I was really good with the finances and they asked me to do that. And I was able to pull up the list of this and then increase that. And then that's you know, like it's just like and then like that is the social proof that they need to use that for re-rewing you the brain instead of telling the negative perspective, just just do this exercise of telling this positive perspective. using that because it's they're all they're all the same. Our brain doesn't know. They just a matter of like fit the brain, right? With that perspective,
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: that positive. Because like we as women like since the big childhood we as a society tend to cheer for a boy that doing that's doing something silly. And be in adventures. my gosh, that's so cool. Go. And not so much as for a girl. Like for a girl who is doing something silly. we as a society will be like, maybe you shouldn't do that. Maybe just you know, you're being too much.
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: and I see that every day with clients. Like they it you're right, they're so different. And that's just that there's There's a reason for that. We were raised to be to co be contained, to like not being too much.
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: and that's why it's so i it's harder with women. I that's what I see at least.
Rebecca Lynn: Think so too. I think I saw something recently that blew my mind where it was like when you see men crying or screaming at a football game, you're like, my gosh, she's so passionate. But if you see a girl crying
Camila: my gosh, yes.
Rebecca Lynn: or screaming at like a Harry Styles concert or like a Taylor Swift concert or whatever, it's like, my gosh, she's like a maniac, whatever, like she's crazy. and
Camila: Yeah. Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: it's like the same passion, it's the same exact feeling that someone has and it's the same exact whatever. But when women do it, it's Deemed like hysterical.
Camila: Yes.
Rebecca Lynn: and so I think that's really interesting that you bring that up. That like in a lot of cases, women are conditioned in that way to shrink and to also
Camila: Yeah. yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: put others before them of like, well, he's gonna be so much better at this than me because he's more of a leader, like he's more whatever. He can stay up until midnight working on this project, and I have children at home. And you can say
Camila: yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: that. But also there are so many reasons why a woman might be a better leader in in ways that this guy who maybe he can work for twelve hours straight, but like you can read the room. And like I think you can't discount every single thing because you think someone else can do it better than you because of what you think is best for the job. That might not be what's best. Kind of like you said that self-talk.
Camila: Yeah, it is the self-talk. it's the way you see yourself. But the problem is what it's that we learn how to see ourselves based on how our caregivers did sa ourselves, right? So we learned this way to adapt to feel safe. for many of us it was overgiving. and that it comes recognition from overgiving it's really tricky because for women it's expected to be like more and for a mother more and more and more so f for that mother to go back for example a mother that wasn't working and was raising The child for a while and then to go back. It's I would say with 80% of this work, it's internal. It's not about a resume. It's internal. It's just this feeling of knowing that you can actually do that, that you're gonna be accepted. There's so much fear, like what they're thinking, and then they start. looking for reasons to not go well well my kid might be sick I don't I don't I'm not gonna you know what I mean just like just self-sabotage like just but like one after another like reasons to convince themselves to that same narrative that brings this you should you you that that shrink you that is shrinks you that's what you think you are there's so many things, but deep deep deep down at some point we all heard that growing up or like at school, but it's definitely something that we do here more in as a woman for sure.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. my gosh, I love this. And it's really cool because that's kind of where you start with your process too, is is understanding you and like who you are and
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: like how you can help a client is is also I I know you also look at kind of those wounds and those blocks and those inner
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: that inner work to help someone alongside the the 3D things, like alongside the worldly things that you need for a job. Like you can't just woo your way into skipping a resume or an interview or whatever. But
Camila: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: but like you are really good at that balance of both. And I think that's where a lot of other career coaches, like you said, they focus on, you know, the resume when really the real issue is the internal stuff. And if you can shift that first, then the rest of the stuff is just like, you know, table stakes.
Camila: It is. and sometimes you are being prepared for something that's bigger because you cannot understand how big you can get. That works that that that that actually happens a lot. Like when sometimes I see the potation, but I if I tell right now, if I say like look, you can actually do this and that and that I'm gonna scare the the my client off. You know what I mean? You need to go, maybe you can try this and this and there's a limit that's we can hold of information of imagining and seeing yourself even growing and even in a positive way and we are humans are so like it's just so crazy but there is the limit that we can go and sometimes can be scary so what i do it's working like block by block and and understanding how much that block can be like how long we can we need to work on that first block looking for as i said before looking for social proof and then to embody that perception of and of themselves and their own identity and that scene witnessing that shift, it's it's it's amazing. it's it's something it's it's unique. 'Cause that's gonna last. probably in the future, like for another you know what I mean, it's just like a spiral. You're always going to find another block there, here and that, but like this one it's not gonna come again because it's cleared.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. And you're safe to exist. And you're not, you know,
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: you're not prone to self-sabotage because whatever that inner fear, that inner, you know, child or or whatever it is that's scared to not be liked or scared to be rejected or or whatever you're like you're not gonna going to apply for the job because you don't want to be a rejected. or whatever the other block might be. It's like once you heal that, then you're like, cool, I'm not. I'm not afraid of being rejected anymore. I can apply for the job. I can go be the CEO if I want. Like there's nothing that
Camila: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Rebecca Lynn: like there's literally no restriction anymore, which is just so magical.
Camila: It is, it is. it is magical. Cause that yeah, that's true. like and for women, especially mothers and overgivers, sometimes there's a beauty of redirecting the the energy of giving. For example, I have a client right now that she is type two in Eagram that's so her empathy is high, so she can she always put the others in the first place and she's like overgiver and they need she has the need to be needed. She works with finances in a company, I know. But and so the way that she shows that That skill is like being extremely organized. So when anyone needs any information, it's there. So that's it. She channeled her.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: But then the beauty of that is she told me that she it's so happy working now because she used to like she was focusing on her she has two adult kit k sons and And then she went back to work like five, ten years ago, I would say. And she said I was I was never so happy because now I feel like I've been my my work's been valued, like I can I feel recognized, which I didn't feel before when I was home. But I I thought the beauty of that is that she is overgivers and she knows that she gives Like she knows that she can feel that in her body. Like she has like anxiety and stuff. She deals with that. But she knows how to she learned how to channel that in a positive way.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: And she's so happy now that she said, look, I love my job. This is the best part of my life. So much so that I don't tell people about it. Because I feel like every like all my friends hate their jobs. And it's something like it's my secret. You what I mean?
Rebecca Lynn: Yes.
Camila: Because people are gonna
Rebecca Lynn: we can relate to that. that's funny.
Camila: look at me like I'm a weirdo because I absolutely love my job. And I thought it makes sense because it's just like she w found a way to channel that energy of giving. She feels good of giving. This is her. And she would understood that and she just found a way to make money with that and be happy.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Yes. I love that. Camilla, this is so this has been such a fun time. And I think that's really cool because you not only help people who are obviously like looking for a career, right? Like that is your bread and butter, easy peasy to do the interview
Camila: Yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: process, but also like being happy in your career that you have. You don't always have to leave your job. It doesn't always have to be the thing that like
Camila: No.
Rebecca Lynn: is the reason you exist. Some people like Work to live. And that is perfectly okay, especially if you can find
Camila: Nice.
Rebecca Lynn: ways to be filled up in some capacity with what you have today in the ways that you just described.
Camila: Yeah, and also there's the triggers. when you understand what's triggering you, sometimes you have the boss you don't like, sometimes you have you know the environment that you don't like, understanding what kind of environment is best for you is also a key point, like it's so important. sometimes
Rebecca Lynn: Interesting.
Camila: it's not only the job. It's not specifically that the the job. It can be a coworker. It can be so then you if you understand what's triggering you from that person, because you know your wound, your own wound, you can play with that. You know what I mean? That's not my you can understand, look, that's not mine. That's that's that's just my wound telling me that I'm in danger, but I'm not. And that's that's another thing that can be done. Because sometimes it's easy to people for people just to just like, I I just hate it, but I don't know. Then I go like why? Explain why. Because that there you need to go deep.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah.
Camila: but if you don't have this understanding about your triggers you can tell. Like it's just like I don't feel it's it it I don't feel comfortable. But why? There's a th you know what I mean? Just go deep and deep to understand what is that that's happening.
Rebecca Lynn: I love it. yeah. That is it that's so exciting. I'm so interested. I feel like I wanna have a one-on-one with you now after we've just chatted. It's just so much fun to talk to you. I feel like I'm so excited to continue to share your work. And we actually are collaborating on a
Camila: Yeah.
Rebecca Lynn: workshop in two weeks on October 28th. I will put the sign up and the info in the show notes, but I think that is gonna be so much fun. It's free to attend live. we'll offer a recording if you sign up as well. but I think that's gonna be really fun to outline, you know, w what you do and and how else and and go even much deeper than what we talked about today.
Camila: Yeah, my idea is to go deeper for sure. to understand the wants of each. I we are not gonna go through like only for types, but of patterns and like the gifts and the wants and the best environment for which one. And then my hope is like anyone as a beginner can understand like I can recognize myself here as a perfectionist and like which environment may be it might be good for me, you know. That's that's why that my hope is to help a any kind of beginner in terms of enneagram, but just recognizing the patterns.
Rebecca Lynn: Yeah. Ooh, I love it. And if you are listening to this and you have a specific question, we'll add a spot in the sign-up where you could maybe ask a specific question and we'll try to answer it live on the call if we have time. and do some like QA that way. I think that would be really fun as well. So yay. Awesome.
Camila: Yeah, for sure.
Rebecca Lynn: Welcome. It was so nice to have you on the podcast. As always, I think that we'll probably do this again because this was so much fun. and I'm so excited to See you again in two weeks. And yeah, if you need more information, I'll put Camilla's you know, socials and all of that. make sure you follow along and then sign up for our free workshop because that's gonna be awesome.
Camila: Thank you. Thank you so much, Rebecca. That was amazing. I do feel like we need to talk more. It's just I've it's a I I I just I love your energy and it's just so welcoming and yeah, I'm excited for the workshop.
Rebecca Lynn: Okay. It'll be so much fun. Okay, see ya.
Camila: See ya.
Rebecca Lynn: There we go.
