Patsy Wright Pt. Two

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Welcome back to part two of our series about the
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murder of Patsy Wright. Let's dive right back into it.
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But even so, they never found any direct evidence that
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Steve and Sally were involved in this, even though Sally
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had been struggling with cancer at the time. I do
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believe that she is still alive today. I haven't found
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any obituary for her, and as far as I can tell,
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she remained with Steve, and a lot of people from
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their personal lives were saying that, yeah, I could kind
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of see Steve doing something like this because of his
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financial issues. But they also said that Sally and Patsy
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had a really strong relationship and they don't think she
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would have been capable of being involved in this or
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covering for Steve if he was involved in this. And
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when you look at the series of events, you're thinking
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to yourself, well, if they killed her, then both of
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them would have to be involved. But they just don't
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think that that fits Sally's character.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I could see a
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scenario where Sally could have her suspicions and turn a
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blind eye and maybe even do things to support her husband.
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Because in the end, it's like my sister is deceased now,
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and there's nothing that I can do to bring her back.
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But what I can do is try to preserve my
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lifestyle and preserve my life and not have Steve go
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to prison and not have our name sullied and have
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all the drama and theatrics that goes along with it.
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So there's a lot of different motivations that somebody can
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have after the fact, covering up a crime without maybe
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even having direct knowledge, but just having a suspicion of it.
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Yeah, So, I mean she did benefit from it, even
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though she apparently had a close relationship with her sister,
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because she wound up inheriting the six million dollars net
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worth from the two wax museums, so well, they didn't
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consider her to be a suspect. It could be a
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thing where maybe she becomes suspicious about Steve after the fact.
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But she's saying to herself, well, I've got these two
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successful museums. I've now got a lot of money. It's
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solved dollar financial problems. So maybe I'll stay quiet about
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the whole thing in order to avoid ruining our lives.
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Yeah, like don't rock the boat type of a thing,
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and I'm sure that she was dealing with the grief
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of losing her sister, and then the idea of blowing
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up her life in order to get justice might not
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have been the top priority for her when she may
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have felt like she was getting everything that she wanted. Unfortunately,
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she was with somebody that wasn't responsible financially, and she
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was in a much better position now, So if she
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was to go to law enforcement, all that could be
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taken away.
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Yeah, that's why I'm thinking that even if she got
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justice for her sister, financially, her life would be completely
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ruined and she might not been wanting to rock the boat.
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So another suspect that they looked at was a man
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named Leo Fikes, as this had been Patsy's last serious
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relationship before she got involved with Larry Todd. I know
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that Patsy started dating Leo after her second marriage came
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to an end, and he was apparently crazy about her
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and wanted to get married, but after going through two
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previous divorces, Patsy said that she was in no hurry
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to get married again, so that pretty much spelled the
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end of the relationship, and Leo started looking like a
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potential suspect because he owned a chemical company, so they
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started thinking, hmm, I wonder if he may have had
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access to Strict nine. But Leo was described as being
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very cooperative with the authorities, and he also passed a
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polygraph and they did look into the chemical company's background
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and find out that they did not use Strict nine
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or have access to it. So they pretty much cleared
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Leo as a suspect and did not believe that he
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had a motive to do this.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I mean it's sort of like
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if he was going to use chemical, it would be
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like a chemical of opportunity. I would think something that
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he would have access to at a chemical company, you
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wouldn't go and procure something outside of that because that
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may draw attention to you. So yeah, he's not really
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looking like that grade of a suspect.
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But a crazy side story is that one of the
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reasons that Leo popped up on the radar is because
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someone made an anonymous phone call to the police saying
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you should look at Leo. He was involved in a
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relationship with a woman named Linda Donna, who who was
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murdered in June of nineteen eighty seven, only three months
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before Patsy's death, and Leo said that he'd only dated
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Linda a few times, the relationship was not that serious.
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And then in two thousand and five, they finally used
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DNA evidence to link the crime to a serial killer
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named Roger Fain, which proved beyond a shadow of a
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doubt that Leo had nothing to do with it. But
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then you look at the timeline and you're like, this
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poor man, two women that he dated wound up being
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murdered within three months of each other, and he had
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nothing to do with either of the crimes. So talk
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about rotten luck.
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This is some horrible luck. The probability seems so low
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that you would be with one person that's murdered, let
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alone two people, and then it just the probability is
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even lower that it would be within like a three
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month period, And it seems so suspicious when you look
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at it on the surface without delving into the details.
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But when you do, you realize, this poor man is
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just his life is marred with all of this tragedy.
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I can't imagine the impact it must have had.
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It was, yeah, but I don't see Leo being a
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even though this case is technically still Unsolved. I don't
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see Leo being a compelling suspect in that Patsy's case.
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And one other thing I wanted to mention is that
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because this was on the first season of Unsolved Mysteries,
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this was back during the era when they used a
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lot of the real people associated with the case and
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the reenactments, and the one about Patsy starts out with
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the reenactment of your funeral, and you see a lot
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of the real people like Leo and her two children
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and Sally and Steve playing themselves in the reenactment of
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the funeral, and watching it today, that just seems bob
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because this is one of the most traumatic moments of
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their lives and here they are willing to appear on TV,
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even though they are not actors, to like recreate a
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funeral of someone they loved.
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Yeah, it was wild times back then to think of
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these recreations even being done. To ask family members to
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do that, to relive, like what would have been some
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of the most traumatic and emotionally impactful times of their lives,
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and to share it with viewers at home, that's a
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big ask. Like it's one thing to do in interview,
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but it's a whole other to reenact.
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Yeah, and I can see why Unsolved Mysteries during their
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later seasons pretty much stopped doing that and they would
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pretty much get actors every single time for the reenactments.
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But if you look at the early seasons, I guess
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it adds a feeling of realism and authenticity to them
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when you see the real people right there on screen
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reenacting those. It was kind of like when I was
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a kid, I sometimes couldn't figure out that the reenactments
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were stage. So I'm thinking of myself, why is the
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cameraman still filming when all these horrible crimes are taking place?
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Your little kid brain is just like, oh my gosh,
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why is there a guy they're filming and he's not helping?
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Yeah? Why is it still unsolved? If they capture the
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murder right here on camera? Yeah, when you're eight years old,
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that's how you think.
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Is this true?
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Yep? So now I need to talk about Patsy's second
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ex husband, And what's interesting is that he happens to
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share the name with an infamous figure and another case
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that we have covered. Does the name Robert Cox ring
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a bell to you?
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Yeah, Robert Cox sounds familiar from.
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The Springfield three case. He was the guy who was
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in prison for kidnapping who claims that he knows the
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truth about what happened to the three missing women, but
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will not reveal it until after his mother passes away.
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So it's still up for debate if he was responsible
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for their disappearances. But rest assured this Robert Cox is
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not the same Robert Cox from that case.
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So weird when you get these names and they intersect,
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and it's like the six degrees of separation with any
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true crime case. Basically you can connect them all.
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Yes, but Robert Cox sounds like a fairly common name,
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so I guess it shouldn't be surprised that he has
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popped up in two separate cases that are unconnected to
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each other. But following her divorce from her first husband, Bill,
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Patsy became involved in a relationship with a man named
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Robert Cox, who was separated from his first wife and
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he had a couple children from his first marriage. And
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even though Patsy felt that Robert was charming at first,
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he turned into an altogether different person after they got married,
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as he was verbally abusive towards Patsy and pretty much
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lived off her money. He also had severe gambling problem,
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and it got to the point where the IRS planned
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to seize Patsy's assets in order to pay off Bob's
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tax debts. And there was pretty much a big turning
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point when Patsy became acquainted with a counselor who had
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worked with Robert and his previous wife, And even though
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this stuff is supposed to be confidential, the counselor flat
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out told Patsy Robert is a sociopath, so you should
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get away from him. And that's when they finally decided
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to divorce in nineteen eighty four after being married for
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only one year, and Patsy was even forced to obtain
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a restraining order against Robert because he was following her
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around and harassing her, and she even said that she
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saw him parked outside her house on numerous occasions. So obviously,
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on the surface, this guy looks like a compelling suspect.
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Uh yeah, the guy is a stalker with major financial
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problems and to the point where Patsy's assets were going
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to get seized. He sounds horrible. He sounds financially abusive
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and potentially abusive in other ways. I can't even imagine
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what it was like for her to be married to him.
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I'm sure she was so happy to be free of him.
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I guess that spags the question was she ever truly
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free of him?
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And that's what's crazy, is the whole detail about the counselor,
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because they're supposed to keep this stuff like confidential, and
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she's flat out saying that, oh, based on my sessions
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with him and his first wife, you should leave him
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because he's a sociopath. Like ouch. That must show that
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he must have been really bad if the counselor was
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willing to do that.
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Oh my gosh. It's like that scene from Ghosts when
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Whoopie Goldberg, it's also popular meme is like you in
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danger girl.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what it was like.
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Yeah, exactly, And it's like, I'm going to forego my
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ethical obligation here because it Maybe it was because she
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felt like he might commit a crime and that her
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physical wellbeing and emotional wellbeing could be harmed by him,
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because that's what he was capable of in the past.
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I think to breach those ethical obligations, you would have
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to feel like there was a reasonable expectation that harm
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could be brought to the party that you are then
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treating or that you're familiar with. I don't think that
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anybody would enter into disclosure of that information lightly. So
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I think it speaks to just how scary Robert Cox
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potentially was.
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Yeah, so that's probably why the counselor decided to do that. Now,
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their divorce took place in nineteen eighty four, and Patsy's
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death took place three years after the fact, but he
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had recently re entered her life for a very off.
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Because wax museums are a big part of this story,
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it turned out that Robert actually owned his own wax
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museum before he got married to Patsy, because, like I said,
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they seemed to be insanely popular in Texas during the
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nineteen eighties. And this wax museum wound up being destroyed
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in a fire in February of nineteen eighty three. But
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because it wasn't particularly successful and Robert was in financial
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problems was in financial trouble at the time, the insurance
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company started believing that he may have started the fire himself.
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They refused to pay out Robert's claims, so he decided
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to file suit against them, and at the time of
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Patsy's death, a civil trial was about to take place
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over the matter, and Patsy apparently had some pretty incriminating
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information about financial misdeeds that Robert had committed during their marriage,
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and she was scheduled to testify against them in the
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insurance company's case. Robert apparently contacted Patsy on several occasions
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to convince her de line her testimony, which she refused
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to do because they left on such bad terms. So
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she's like, why am I going to help you? And
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of course, because Patsy wound up dying before she could testify,
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only ten days before the civil trial began, Robert had
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a motive for wanting her dead. And Robert did eventually
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wind up winning the civil trial and was awarded one
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point three million dollars as it cannot be conclusively proven
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that he started the fire. But of course the trial
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may have turned out differently if Patsy had been willing
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to testify. So, as you can imagine, alarm bells are
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going off over everyone's head.
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For Robert, well, it sounds like he's got one million,
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three hundred thousand reasons to want Patsy dead.
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Yeah, exactly, And unlike the other suspects in this case,
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Robert was not cooperative. He refused to take a polygraph,
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and Unsow Mysteries invited him to appear on the show
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to get his side of the story, but he refused
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to do an interview. So we were spared of Robert
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doing his best impression of Jewel Kaylor and trying to
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act like a bereaved husband and possibly saying that he
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was glad that Patsy was gone. But the one thing
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which could have gone against Robert was the presence of
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the two days plates on the tray next to Patsy's bed,
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Because they're thinking to themselves, Yeah, even if Patsy had
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like a secret lover was holding an affair and invited
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him over that night to have an intimate dinner together,
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there's zero chance that she would have done this with Robert.
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And they're also thinking, well, could it be possible that
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Robert broke into her house and poisoned the Nike will
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and maybe Patsy invited someone over and this guy left
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before she died, But no one ever came forward to
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admit that they had been at a residence that night,
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So they were thinking to themselves, like, could these dinner
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plates have been a piece of evidence that it wasn't
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Robert and that perhaps the real poisoner was someone that
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she was intimate with.
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I mean, there's a myriad of possibilities. There's still a
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possibility that she could have invited somebody over. That person
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came and they had an encounter and then had some food,
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and then they left and they had absolutely zero to
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do with the poisoning because we know that that key
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was stolen, So it doesn't mean that person had to
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be let in by Patsy. They could to potentially use
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that spare key at any time. And we also don't
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know if the bottle that was used is the bottle
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that she was using regularly and she took with her
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potentially camping. So it just changes the window by which
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this could have been done since we don't know the
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information about that bottle of nikewill, like, did she take
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a camping, We don't know, And so that really opens
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it up because we also don't know when that key
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went missing.
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Yeah exactly, And like even if Patsy did have an
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intimate evening with someone, that doesn't necessarily rule out Robert
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from being responsible. And it fits the profile of someone
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who had intimate knowledge of her personal life because they
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were married for a year, so he would have known
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that it was her habit to take nike will before
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she went to bed. So he's thinking to himself, this
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is the best way to do it. Just put it
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in there. She's gonna take it without second thought, and
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then she will wind up dying of poisoning. And because
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he's been described as a cruel sociopath, he might be thinking,
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I'm going to do it in the most cruel way
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imaginable to ensure that she suffers before she died. So
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it really does fit his profile.
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Yeah. I think both Steve and Robert are two men
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who are bad with finances, and they both make compelling suspects.
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But Robert Cox, based on past behavior, is in my opinion,
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the best suspect.
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Yeah, because there's nothing to indicate that Steve was a violent,
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abusive person. So even if he had a financial motive
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to want or gone, it's totally the fact that they
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made Patsy suffer sounds like something devious that Robert would
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have done. So two other people who were investigated as
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potential suspects were Bill and Bonnie Alexander, the couple who
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boarded Patsy's horses, because the day before her death, she
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had written them a blank check and then shortly afterwards
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they filled in the amount for four thousand dollars and
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wound up cashing it, which was suspicious because the day
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before her death, a friend who was helping out Patsy
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with her finances, asked if she had any outstanding checks,
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and she told her friend that she did not. She
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never mentioned anything about the check to the Alexanders, which
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made them wonder if maybe they forged it and were
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trying to make money from her. And they also discovered
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that Patsy's horses were also in the Alexander's name, so
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they were going to inherit the horses following the death.
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So Bonnie's story was that Patsy gave them the check
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and told them to add up what she owed them
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and boarding and contest entry fees, and she also said
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that the horses were in their names because Patsy did
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not want Steve to get them in case something happened
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to her. Patsy's family also started hearing rumors that Bill
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may have been in love with Patsy and we're having
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some sort of secret affair and that either he killed
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Patsy to get the hands on the horses, or maybe
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a body killed her out of jealousy, because, as you recall,
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the day after Patsy was killed, her daughter received a
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phone call from an anonymous woman who said, good, I'm
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glad she's dead. But they never found any evidence to
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support that the Alexanders were involved. But they did find
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out that in the past, strychnine was sometimes used by
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horse breeders in order to treat their animals, but they
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couldn't find any evidence that Bill or Bonnie had access
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to strict nine. So they both took polygraphs and they
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both passed. So it could be kind of a mix
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here where the Alexanders were not involved in Patsy's death.
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But if Bill and Patsy had a secret affair, or
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maybe Bill was being flirtatious for Patsy that made Bonnie
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dislike her and she could have been the woman who
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was responsible for the anonymous phone call.
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Yeah, that one hundred percent checks out for me, because
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you would have to trust these people if you're going
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to put the horses in their names, because you don't want,
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you know, your acts to get them like it makes
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sense but it also would imply there would have to
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be a great deal of trust, and I would assume that, yes,
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technically they are in the Alexander's names, but if Patsy
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was going to pass away, the assumption would be they
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would go to her children, would it not?
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Pretty much? Yeah, So it's like, even though like they
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were in the Alexander's names, I guess because it was
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part of her state, it would still go to her children.
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And the Alexanders also weren't going to inherit like millions
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of dollars. They might get the horses, but they're not
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going to get anything else, So they didn't really have
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a strong motive to orchestrate this elaborate murder plot involving
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Strych nine.
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And like, I'm sorry for four thousand dollars. If you've
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got a blank check, four thousand dollars seems like an
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appropriate amount. Horses are expensive, so things add up quickly,
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and it might not have been something that crossed her
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mind when Patsy was asked about if she had any
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financial debts or anything coming or owed, and then when
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the Alexanders added it up, it was like, Okay, it's
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four thousand dollars that doesn't sound like an amount that
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you're going to murder somebody over. If it was like
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twenty grand that they put in there, I'd be like, oh,
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that's a little bit suspicious, But four grand isn't really
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raising my eyebrow.
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Yeah, because that debsiditely sounds like an amount for boarding
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and contest entry fees, which is what Bonnie said. And
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they cashed it the day after her death, which was
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not widespread news yet. So if they were completely innocent,
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they may have had no idea that Patsy was dead
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and it was just an unfortunate coincidence that they cashed
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this check so soon after she died.
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Yeah, Like, I think if you were going to do that,
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you would almost want to cash it before she died
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because she wouldn't likely find out about it for you know,
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a day or two. Because of the banking in the
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nineteen eighties, it wasn't like it is today where you've
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got alerts come into your phone. So unless she went in,
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she might not know, and then you've got plausible deniability going, well, yeah,
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she was alive, she had the freedom to find this
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out prior to her death. So the fact that they
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did it, like the day after. That makes them almost
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look more innocent in my eyes, because it would be
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looked at as like almost like cartoon villain ish, like yeah,
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two ham handed.
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Yeah. I definitely don't believe that the Alexanders were involved
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in the murder, even though I think Bonnie was the
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one responsible for the phone call. She maybe just doing
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that just out of like personal reasons because of a
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disliked with Patsy, even if they were not complicit in
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her death. So, believe it or not, wax museums would
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factor into this story again. And this is when things
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get really crazy because in September of nineteen eighty eight,
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just under a year after Patsy's death, one of the
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family's wax museums in Grand Prairie, Texas, wound up burning down.
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This is the second wax museum in this story that
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wounds up burning down, and as a result, Sally wound
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up receiving a four million dollar insurance payout. So it
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was initially suspected that the fire might have been electrical,
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but there was evidence to suggests that it might have
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been an arson. And then on September the twenty fourth,
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just over two weeks after the fire took place, a
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man was seen combing through the debris of the museum,
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and when he noticed that the police were watching him,
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he picked up a financial ledger book from the museum's
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business office and took off running. As he ran away,
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he tossed this ledger into a nearby bush, so no
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one knows why he tried to take it to begin with.
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He wound up getting away in a car, but a
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police officer wound up taking down the car's license number,
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and it wound up being traced to a twenty two
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year old man named Stanley Lester Pointer. This guy was
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described as a drifter who would hold jobs for Barry
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brief periods of time before he moved on, and he
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also had a number of aliases in three different social
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Security numbers that he would use, so he kind of
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had a weird background because even though the jobs were
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low paying, he was able to live what was described
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as a comfortable lifestyle. And he also had one previous
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arrest on his record for arson, So people started wondering
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could he be irresponsible for this fire at Sally's Wax
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Museum and was he some freelance guy who just got
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hired to like burn down museums because they started thinking,
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what if Robert Cox hired this guy to burn down
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his own museum five years earlier.
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Oh my gosh, this wax museum connection is just like
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it's so intense. Okay, so we were our second wax
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museum that's burned to the ground, and I've got a
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wonder with all those wax figurines, does it just become
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like one giant candle on the floor.
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That's what I'm thinking because I've seen the movie House
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of Wax, the one with Vincent Price, yeah, and the
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remake with Paris Hilton, and they have lots of scenes
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where the museums are burning down and then they're melting,
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and I think there's a big revelation because they would
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use real people underneath the wax. And then when the
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fire starts and melts and you realize, oh, those aren't
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wax statues, those are human beings. So you have this
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visual of it melting. So I have to assume that
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the same thing happened in these fires.
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Have you ever been to a wax museum.
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I have, Yes, They're usually a lot of fun. They
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have them in Niagara Falls, And I also love memes
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sometimes where people will post photos of moll rent wax
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museums where they use statues of like real life famous persons,
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but they look nothing like them. So you'll like see
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photos of like someone like trying to think here someone
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like Mick Jagger, but he looks like mister Bean because
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of like such a terrible job.
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I went to Madame Tussau's in London and they were
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incredibly lifelike. It was wild the representation with wax, Like
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how close some of them could get. I mean there
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was the odd one where like they didn't really capture
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the essence, but some of them were like bang on.
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Yes, I've been there as well, and I know that's
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one of the most high quality wax museums around. And
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I have to assume that Patsy's were pretty good if
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she was making like millions of dollars on them. So
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under normal circumstances, there wouldn't be any reason to believe
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this wax museum fire had anything to do with Patsy's death.
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But when this fire made the news, a woman got
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in touch with police with some interesting information. She claimed
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that years earlier, in September of nineteen eighty four, a
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twenty six year old receptionist at one of Patsy's museums
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named Lorie Anne Williams suddenly went home sick in the
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middle of her shift, but her illness got so bad
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that she was taken to the hospital. It was initially
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believed that she had appendicitis, but when they removed her appendix,
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they found out that it was perfectly healthy, and she
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wound up staying in the hospital for eleven days before
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she suddenly died, and they were never able to determine
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00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.039
her cause of death. They just thought it might have
485
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.759
been viral pneumonia that she contracted during complications from surgery,
486
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because she seemed to be an ordinary, healthy, twenty six
487
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.839
year old woman on the surface. But this informant told
488
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.319
the police that Laurie may have been the victim of
489
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:13.240
strychnine poisoning, and because Patsy died under similar circumstances three
490
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.079
years later, this woman was now thinking that the police
491
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.799
should reopen the investigation into Lourie's death.
492
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.039
Oh, that's an interesting connection. Didn't you say that there
493
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:24.799
was only like two deaths that were linked to strychnine
494
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in like that certain time period.
495
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.279
It was, yeah, like since nineteen fifty, I don't know
496
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:31.839
what the other one was that Robert Stack was referring to.
497
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.839
And because they couldn't conclusively determine that Laurie's death was
498
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.839
strict nine, it has never been officially classified as one,
499
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.880
but at the time in nineteen eighty four, they just
500
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thought it was health reasons. But then they realized that
501
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.640
she used to work for Patsy at her wax museum,
502
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.000
and they both died under similar circumstances. They start thinking,
503
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.319
maybe we should take a second look at Lori's death.
504
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.000
Oh my god, this is feeling very like do you
505
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.640
know the actor's Britney Murphy, Yes, and how she died
506
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.519
under mysterious circumstances of the pneumonia or whatever, and then
507
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.200
six months later her husband died of the exact same
508
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.319
cause of death in that home, and then trying to
509
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.440
figure out what was the root cause. Why do they
510
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.240
both die of the exact same cause of death, and
511
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.160
there's all of these conspiracy theories.
512
00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:14.640
Yeah, so it's probably the similar type of thing here
513
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.079
where Back when Laurie originally died, they're not going to
514
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:20.640
be thinking strychnine poisoning, but because of her connection with Patsy,
515
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.359
they wanted to take a second look at it. In
516
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nineteen eighty nine, Patsy's family decided to hire a very
517
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.559
famous Texas based private investigator named William Dear, who looked
518
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.400
into Lorient's death and became suspicious and wondered if she
519
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.920
may have been poisoned with strychnine as well, and that
520
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.519
maybe this was done to scare Patsy because Patsy had
521
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stumbled onto something sinister which was taking place at the
522
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.480
museum back in nineteen eighty four, even though the police
523
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.160
found no evidence of this. Now, I will add the
524
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.680
disclaimer that William Dear is quite an infamous individual. He
525
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.839
has worked on a lot of cases, but I have
526
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.920
personally worked with one family who hired him and has
527
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:58.880
said nothing but bad things to say about him. They
528
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.160
pretty much just said he took our money, he spouted
529
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.519
a bunch of conspiracy theories, but he didn't actually do
530
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.519
anything or uncover any conclusive evidence. And William Dear has
531
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.640
also published the book OJ Is Innocent and I Can
532
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:14.200
Prove It, where he claims that Nicole Brown Simpson and
533
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.160
Ronald Goldman were actually murdered by OJ's son, Jason Simpson,
534
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.400
and that OJ only covered the crime up, He did
535
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.799
not actually commit the murders. And I know that he
536
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.200
published a book and they did a TV special about it,
537
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.440
but most people who followed that case do not really
538
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:29.920
believe it that theory.
539
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.960
I've heard of this book and I've heard of him,
540
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.920
and I think that it's absolutely egregious to suggest that
541
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:38.240
it was the Sun and not OJ. But okay, you do.
542
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.720
You And if you want more credibility issues with William Dear,
543
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.680
do you remember the TV special from the nineteen nineties
544
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.920
Alien Autopsy. Yes, well, he was interviewed on that and
545
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.000
actually did interviews and tried to pass off the autopsy
546
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.200
is legitimate, but of course it turned out to be
547
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.200
nothing more than a hoax. So it's like, if you're
548
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.200
going to hire someone to look into the murder of
549
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.079
one of your family men member, I might not hire
550
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:04.480
the investigator who agreed to be interviewed on alien autopsy.
551
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.480
Definitely not That lends to the type of credibility that
552
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:12.279
he has, which would be like very little. I feel
553
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.640
so terrible for families that have to deal with people
554
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.039
like this when they're in a vulnerable situation and somebody
555
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.279
will predate on that and they will use it as
556
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:25.559
an opportunity to line their pockets while this poor family
557
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.440
has these high hopes and they're really not doing the work.
558
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.960
We saw that with the Amuln Bradley case as well.
559
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.680
Oh yeah yeah, Like a lot of grifters like will
560
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.400
pretend to be private investigators and say that they're going
561
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.039
to uncover answers about what happened to their missing and
562
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.440
murdered loved ones, but in actuality they're just taking the
563
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.519
money and not leading anywhere. But in spite of Deer's
564
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.799
credibility issues, he did manage to successfully lobby for Lorien's
565
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.799
body to be exhumed and they did a new autopsy
566
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.960
and if toxicological evaluation found no trace of strychnine or
567
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.680
arsenic inner system. But deer It says that this wasn't
568
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.279
conclude of evidence that Laurie was not murdered because he
569
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:04.880
believed that the poison may have exited her body before
570
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.799
her death because she was in the hospital for eleven
571
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:12.000
days following her medical issues, and he believed that intravenous
572
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.319
solutions may have taken the strych nine out of her
573
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.640
body before she died. They did find minute traces of
574
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.359
it in her body, but it was not enough to
575
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.359
be harmful. But my issue with that is strychnine is
576
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.119
usually like a fast acting poison, Like even though you
577
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.160
will suffer for like twenty to thirty minutes, you're not
578
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.039
usually going to live for eleven days afterwards. So that's
579
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.799
why I have trouble believing that Laurie was poisoned with strychnine,
580
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.039
Like there might be another like weird suspicious reason for
581
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.000
her death, but I don't think that she actually ingested
582
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.480
strick nine.
583
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.880
Yeah, and I'm not aware of how long strychnine will
584
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.480
stay in the body tissues and if the body is
585
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.440
able to detoxify like through its various pathways something like
586
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.680
strychnine over that day, like eleven day period, like it's
587
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.480
a pretty protracted period. And then if it was like
588
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.000
a death over a day or something like that would
589
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.680
make more sense unless the dose was just so small
590
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.480
and whomever did this, if it was connected to the
591
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.079
Wax Museum, they learned their lesson not to give such
592
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.559
a small dose of strychnine and to up the dose,
593
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.799
and then that's why Patsy had basically enough to bring
594
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:22.640
down a horse in her nicwell.
595
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.519
Yeah, because they said that she had enough in there
596
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.720
to kill at least eight or nine people, So if
597
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.079
Laurie was poisoned, it's possible she got a much smaller amount.
598
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.839
But on also the fact she got exhumed like five
599
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.319
years after her death, so even if she did have
600
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.200
like strychnine in her system, it's possible it still wouldn't
601
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.960
have been there after all that time. So I don't
602
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.119
rule out the possibility of foul play in Laurie's case,
603
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.680
but I'm not entirely sure if it's connected to Patsy's.
604
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.160
Death, and I think that there's a possibility too if
605
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.319
the dose was really small, if the poison caused damage
606
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.839
to all the various different organ systems in the body,
607
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.880
it could have just hit like the point of critical
608
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.119
mass on that you know, day eleven or twelve, and
609
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.240
then she may have died because who knows, like her
610
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.759
liver gave out, or her kidneys gave out, or her
611
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.279
heart or some combination. Maybe it was a vascular issue.
612
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.599
I don't know what type of potential damage that poison
613
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.240
could have caused throughout all of her systems, but there
614
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.839
is a possibility that it could have been cleared out
615
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.240
of her system, and then what remained was just the
616
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:24.839
damage to that poison had done.
617
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.799
Yeah, which is certainly possible, but people have never been
618
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.599
able to figure out, like if Lori Anne was murdered,
619
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.880
like what the motive could have been, because obviously this
620
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.319
was three years before Patsy's death, and Dear's theory that
621
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.200
they poison Laurie just to scare Patsy doesn't really ring
622
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.319
true because like, if she had uncovered something illegal back
623
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:44.640
in nineteen eighty four, why did she tell anyone about it?
624
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.359
Why did she just move on with her life for
625
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.960
the next three years before she died under suspicious circumstances,
626
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:51.640
And that sounds.
627
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.960
Like a big leap to just murder somebody to scare
628
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.359
somebody else like that could bring so much suspicion and
629
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.920
so much heat onto you. It's a huge risk.
630
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.599
And if that was the motive, it obviously didn't work
631
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.319
because at the time they just figured it was an
632
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.480
unrelated medical issue and they didn't suspect that Laurie had
633
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.960
been murdered, so obviously it didn't drive home the message
634
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.960
to scare Patsy. But sure enough, only two weeks after
635
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.000
this new autopsy was done, they finally found Stanley Pointer, who,
636
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.799
as you recall, they had captured his license plate when
637
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.319
he was speeding away from the site of the museum fire,
638
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.119
but it took like a year to finally track him down,
639
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.599
and he was working as a student mortician at the
640
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.079
time of his arrest. Because it sounds like he's a
641
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.200
guy who would just like move around from job to
642
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.799
job until he got a big payout setting fires to
643
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.599
wax museums. What a very interesting life he led. But
644
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.839
by this point, like Lourie's death and Patsy's death were
645
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.359
in the news, so they started looking at Pointer as
646
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.279
a potential suspect, and they also questioned him about the
647
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.440
museum fire, and he claimed that, yes, I did visit
648
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.839
the side of the fire, and I did remove the ledger,
649
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.599
but I only thought it was a museum piece. So
650
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.279
that's why I threw the ledger away, because I mistakenly
651
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.279
thought it was an art fact and then realized they
652
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.400
didn't need it. But this didn't really ring true because
653
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.559
in order to find this ledger, you had to go
654
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.759
past several other artifacts, climb onto a chair, and get
655
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.480
the ledger from a shelf. So it seemed very likely
656
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.079
that he was trying to get this particular item, but
657
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.799
no one could figure out why. And he said that
658
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.960
he ran from the police out of fear but did
659
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.160
not know that they were still searching for him. And
660
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.359
he denied any involvement in the fire or the deaths
661
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.599
and said that he had no connection to the museum,
662
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.119
And he was given a polygraph test and he claimed
663
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.680
that he passed, but the police never confirmed or denied this,
664
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.079
and four days later he was released on bond because
665
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.279
even though they were able to charge him with minor crimes,
666
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.079
they found no evidence that he was behind the arsonary
667
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.319
the deaths, so they couldn't hold him indefinitely.
668
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.559
Yeah, I find his involvement to be such a strange
669
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.119
element that it is possible that Robert Cox hired him
670
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.880
initially to burn down his wax museum, and that Sally's
671
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.240
wax museum. He could have been hired to burn that
672
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.200
down as well. Who knows if he was in their
673
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.720
circle somehow or somehow connected to somebody that they knew,
674
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.880
because I just don't think that there's any way, shape
675
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.880
or form, but he just randomly got that ledger and
676
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.519
he knew exactly where it was. It's not like it's
677
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.920
just this random piece that he just stumbled across, Like
678
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.039
you had to know where that was. So somebody that
679
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.640
had access to the financial ledger and knew where it
680
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.680
was kept would have had to have given explicit instructions.
681
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:29.960
That's what I'm thinking as well, And it makes you
682
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.680
wonder a pointer like I don't think he would be
683
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.680
acting alone. I think that if you wanted to get
684
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.519
that ledger, or someone hired him to do it and
685
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.480
they were going to try to make a case against
686
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.240
him for arson. But this is another suspicious detail. The
687
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.599
original fire file from the fire, even though it was
688
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.160
put in a locked fire drawer at the Grand Prairie
689
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.480
Fire Department and mysteriously wound up going missing even though
690
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039
it was in a locked drawer inside a locked room.
691
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.920
So people started wondering was there some sort of conspiracy
692
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.440
or cover up to try to like cover up the
693
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.279
real reason for this fire. So in the end, the
694
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.119
only a charge that the grand jury could file against
695
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.440
Proner was criminal trust pass because all they had was
696
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.039
evidence that he went onto the sealed off museum site
697
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.719
to steal something, but no evidence that he started the fire.
698
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.320
So he was convicted on criminal trust pass and I
699
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.000
think received a sense of probation before he was released.
700
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.119
Yeah, that's too bad because it seems clear that I
701
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.960
don't know if he was connected to any murders or
702
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.559
anything like that, but it seems that he's definitely connected
703
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.360
to the arson in some capacity, and so was he
704
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.239
connected to Cox? Was he connected to Sally and Steve?
705
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.599
I mean, when you can't fully dig in to Pointer her,
706
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.599
it's really hard to know. But it seems that this
707
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:42.920
was not a coincidence.
708
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.239
Well, sure enough, this would not be the end of
709
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.519
Stanley Pointer in this story, because in December of nineteen
710
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.800
ninety a fire was deliberately set in the bathroom of
711
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.719
a church youth center in Austin, Texas, and because Poyter
712
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.679
just happened to be living in the area at the time,
713
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.599
he wound up being questioned, but he gave investigators a
714
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.960
false name before he disappeared, so they issued a warrant
715
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.119
for his arrest because they apparently found enough evidence that
716
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.559
he was responsible for this fire that they could finally
717
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.920
charge him with arson and theft. So he remained a
718
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.239
fugitive for the next four months. But in April of
719
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.039
nineteen ninety one, an off duty police officer was directing
720
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.800
traffic at an intersection in Dallas when Poyter just happened
721
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.480
to drive up next to it, and the officer signaled
722
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.599
him to stop the car. Now, at the time, the
723
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.880
officer had no idea who he was. He didn't know
724
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.320
that this was a wanted fugitive, but it caused Poyter
725
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.760
to panic, so he literally hit the accelerator and drove
726
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.480
right into the police officer and continued driving with the
727
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.599
officer still on his hood. But the officer then pulled
728
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.119
out his gun and fired six shots through the windshield
729
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.159
while Poyter was driving. This is like a scene in
730
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.119
an action movie with someone like firing shots into the
731
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.719
driver from the hood, and thankfully, the officer wound up surviving,
732
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.000
but Poynter was killed instantly, and when they checked his
733
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.360
items from his residence, they found out that he had
734
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.880
one way tickets from Mexico to Dallas. So they're wondering
735
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.320
what was this guy up to? What was this guy doing,
736
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.599
And unfortunately, because he was dead, they were never able
737
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.840
to thoroughly question him and find out if he might
738
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.679
have had any involvement in the museum fires or any
739
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.719
involvement in Lori or Patsy's deaths.
740
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.039
Wow, So he dies and leaves his huge mystery in
741
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.960
like an Israel Keys type fashion.
742
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.280
And it seems like because he would work these freelance
743
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.320
jobs where his regular jobs would pay well, but he
744
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.239
would seem to have a lot of money, like he
745
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.960
would live in like fancy apartments. He apparently had a
746
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.639
lakefront property somewhere in Texas, and no one could figure
747
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.360
out where this money was coming from, leading to speculation
748
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.800
that he was hired to burn down these wax museums.
749
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But they also thought if maybe Robert Cox or someone
750
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.559
was the perpetrator, could he have hired Pointer to break
751
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.119
into Patsy's house and put the Stryck nine in the
752
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.760
cold medicine, So it could be a thing where someone
753
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.639
else masterminded it. But Pointer was the guy who actually
754
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.519
put the poison in the bottle. But unfortunately, because he
755
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.000
died before he could be thoroughly questioned about it, they
756
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.719
were unable to implicate him or anyone else.
757
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.039
Yeah, it's possible that he could have been a contract
758
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.639
killer and a contract arsonist and he just took on
759
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.679
these menial jobs as a way to have some kind
760
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.519
of cover because it Definitely, something is definitely not lining up.
761
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.400
When you're looking at a lake front property and somebody
762
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.880
who's essentially described as a drifter who's making what I
763
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.920
would assume to be minimum wage or less than minimum wage.
764
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.559
There is something else going on and something else at
765
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:34.079
play here.
766
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.280
Yeah, I think so, but not surprised me. Like it's
767
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.760
possible Pointer is just a red herring who has nothing
768
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.760
to do with Patsy's death, but the fact that he
769
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.760
keeps popping up and having associations with all these people
770
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.079
in the story makes me think that he could have
771
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.920
been complicit somehow. So obviously we think Robert Cox is
772
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.880
the best suspect, but he died in October of twenty
773
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.599
twenty one at the age of ninety one without implicating
774
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.719
him in this murder, and some of the other people
775
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.119
in Patsy's life, like husband Bill Wright and her former
776
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.639
boyfriend Leo Fikes, have also passed away. But one other
777
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.599
thing I wanted to mention is that if you go
778
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.679
to the Unsolved Mysteries profile page for this case and
779
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.119
also the Unsolved Mysteries message board at the sitcoms online
780
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.360
for him, you'll find a poster there who put up
781
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.480
claims that Patsy was having an affair with a coworker
782
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at the horse ranch who often used strict nine to
783
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.199
poison rats, And they pretty much posted the same thing
784
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.679
at both the message board and the profile page, so
785
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even though they used different usernames, I'm pretty sure this
786
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is the same person. And he also said that this
787
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.639
person left town shortly after Patsy's death, but he just
788
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.440
doesn't remember this person's name. Now. Of course, we talked
789
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.920
about how there was rumors that maybe Patsy was having
790
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.000
an affair with Bill Alexander, but the wording of this
791
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.079
guy's comments makes me think he was talking about someone else,
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someone who has never thoroughly investigated that Patsy may have
793
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.199
been having an affair with. And theoretically, if this was true,
794
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.119
maybe she invited this guy over to her house on
795
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.920
the night of her death. This person used the opportunity
796
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to put the Strych nine in her cough medicine before
797
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.960
leaving the scene and locking the door, and then they
798
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.800
were long gone by the time Stevens Sally showed up,
799
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and because he fled town, he may never have been
800
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thoroughly questioned by law enforcement. And I know this is
801
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.159
just like anonymous comments on a message board. But I
802
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.440
do find this sphery kind of intriguing that she might
803
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.760
have been having in a secret affair with someone who
804
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.800
had access to strychnine the horse farm, but because they
805
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.480
were never formally questioned, they just never popped up on
806
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the radar as a suspect.
807
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.920
That's really fascinating. But I would just wonder in that
808
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.559
case if it was indeed somebody Patsy was having an
809
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.639
affair with what would be their motor for poisoning her
810
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and then skipping town.
811
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Yeah, that's the thing is that this person never gained
812
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anything from her death. So that's why I think like
813
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Robert Cox looks like a more likely suspect. Because she died,
814
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she couldn't testify against him at the Sable trial, which
815
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took place a short time later. Eddie wound up collecting
816
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over one million dollars from his arson fire because they
817
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.679
couldn't prove that he did it. So I guess it depends.
818
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.440
I definitely still think that Robert is the best suspect,
819
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.039
but the only thing holding me back is the presence
820
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of the dinner plates, Like, I don't know if that's
821
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a red herring and suggests that Patsy had someone else
822
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.039
at her house that night who maybe used this opportunity
823
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.679
to kill her. And if it was just a coincidence,
824
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.360
if someone poisoned the Strych nine bottle before this and
825
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.360
the guy just happened to leave like before Patsy died,
826
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why didn't this person come forward. Was he just worried
827
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.760
that he would be accused of a murder, or maybe
828
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.400
maybe he was married, Maybe he was in a relationship
829
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.679
with someone else and didn't want to admit that he
830
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.320
had an affair with Patsy even if he was completely
831
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innocent ever murder.
832
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.239
That's what I'm thinking. If the person that she was
833
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.440
having an affair with was themselves in a relationship or married,
834
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they might not want to touch this with a ten
835
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.519
foot pool. They might not want to talk to law
836
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.119
enforcement because they don't want to be implicated in any way,
837
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.039
and they also don't want to blow up their own relationship.
838
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.920
So there can be a lot of motives that have
839
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.760
nothing to do like a lot of underlying motives for
840
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.719
them holding back that have nothing to do with the
841
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.320
fact that this person had anything to do with the crime.
842
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.719
I agree with you. I think Robert Cox is the
843
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.679
very best suspect here. Jeeve is a good suspect because
844
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.440
there was something financially to be gained and power within
845
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.280
the the Wax Museums to be gained with Patsy's death.
846
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.239
But I think based on Robert Cox's behavior and volatility
847
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.119
and stalking, he seems like the most likely perpetrator here
848
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.119
because we look at his past behavior, he seems like
849
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.840
the type of person that might do that. He'd asked
850
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.400
Patsy to lie, she said she wasn't going to lie,
851
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.239
and then in the end he got one million, three
852
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.119
hundred thousand, which, like in today's money, would be double that.
853
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.400
So you're looking at well over two million dollars close
854
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.960
to three in purchasing power. So I would think that
855
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.719
that would be a pretty good motive.
856
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.400
Yeah, And he does seem like someone who would have
857
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.400
a DNA devius enough mind to do something like that, because,
858
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.280
as we talked about, it's very difficult to have pain
859
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.880
strict nine in the nineteen eighties unless you got it
860
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.239
on the black market or maybe you stole it from
861
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.719
a labisum sort. But he seems like someone who already
862
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.239
had a history of shady behavior to brainstorm something like that,
863
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.559
thinking that I can put it in her cough medicine
864
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.880
like long beforehand, and I will have an airtight alibi
865
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.199
placing me away from the scene, and then I will
866
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.360
manage to get away with it. And if that is
867
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.360
what happened, then it technically was true because he got
868
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.320
to live a long life. He lived to the age
869
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:29.199
of ninety one before he died of natural causes, so
870
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.840
if he was the perpetrator, he will never be prosecuted
871
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.639
for it. So he essentially got away with the perfect crime.
872
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.679
But do you think that Stanley Pointer might have been involved,
873
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.400
because I'm inclined to think that maybe Steve hired him
874
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.400
to burn down the wax museum one year later. But
875
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.199
I'm on the fence about whether that's just a coincidence
876
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.639
that has nothing to do with Patsy's case, or if
877
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.320
Pointer might have been hired to break into her house
878
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.480
and put the strict nine in her cough medicine.
879
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.159
I'm less inclined to believe that, but I do believe
880
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.920
that he was hired potentially by Steve to burn down
881
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.800
a wax museum because knowing where that financial ledger is,
882
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.039
you have to be familiar with somebody who has access
883
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.119
to know exactly where that is and to know what
884
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:11.800
to look for. So he had some inside knowledge and
885
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.400
I believe that wholeheartedly. But as far as being involved
886
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.360
in Patsy's murder, I'm on the fence, but like I'm
887
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.719
leaning towards less inclined to believe that he's the person
888
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.920
that broke in and spiked the Niqwell.
889
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:26.960
Yeah, like it would make sense because Robert knew so
890
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.920
many intimate details about Patsy's life. She knew she would
891
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.320
have taken Nikewell, he may have been able to find
892
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.360
out where the spare key was and then used it
893
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:36.280
to enter while she was away and then put it
894
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.280
in there. And also the fact that he had his
895
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.199
own museum fire that took place years earlier, and Patsy
896
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.480
was going to testify against him. So I find it
897
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.800
crazy that the whole wax museum fire involving Sally's museum
898
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.039
with Stanley Pointer and the wax museum fire involving Robert
899
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.559
might be two separate incidents which have nothing to do
900
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.000
with each other, which just goes to show if anyone
901
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.639
listening out there is running a wax museum right now,
902
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.639
watch yourself, because it a apparently is a cutthroat business
903
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.320
in which people are killing each other and starting fires
904
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:05.639
to collect insurance money.
905
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.039
My god, who would have thought it's like the drug
906
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.880
game or something like that, like the wax museum game.
907
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.880
There's some kind of nefarious undercurrent. Or were those the
908
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:17.760
horse syndicate?
909
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.480
Yes, yes, we talked about that on previous thing, where
910
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.360
like these mob guys were using a racetrack and like
911
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.320
a horse farm as like a cover up for their
912
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.960
criminal activities and were able to sustain it for like
913
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.079
decades before they were caught. So yeah, Sadly, I'm not
914
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.360
sure this one will ever be solved because, like I said,
915
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.000
Robert Cox passed away, so even if they were able
916
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.800
to uncover incriminating evidence to prove that he did it,
917
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.800
he will obviously never be prosecuted for it. And obviously,
918
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.440
the people that I feel most badly for are Patsy's children,
919
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.559
because they had a great relationship with her, and even
920
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.360
though they wound up inheriting her estate, it sounds like
921
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.119
they truly love their mother and miss her, and it's
922
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.719
sad that they will never see or get justice. So
923
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.960
any further thoughts on the murder of Patsy Wright.
924
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.199
This was a really interesting case, and I really had
925
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.599
no idea that wax museum fires were so common, and
926
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.760
you really triggered something when you brought up House of Wax.
927
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:10.679
I haven't seen the original, but I've seen the Paris
928
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.719
Hilton version and then I just got creepy flashbacks. So
929
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.079
this is a real tragedy, and I do believe that
930
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.840
Robert Cox is the best suspect. I think there's a
931
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.800
possibility that Steve could have been responsible, but based on
932
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.960
what Robert was going through at the time and what
933
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.159
he was asking of Patsy, it seems like he had
934
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.159
a pretty clear cut and dry motive for wanting her dad.
935
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.039
Yeah. I guess the way I should conclude this episode
936
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.800
is that after this in the Springfield three case, stay
937
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.440
clear of people named Robert Cox.
938
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:42.639
Yes, that's fair.
939
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.320
So that about brings an end to our series on
940
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.599
the Murder of Patsy Wright. Thank you so much for
941
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.920
joining us, and we will be back again next week
942
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.679
for a series about another case.
943
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:54.599
Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit
944
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about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?
945
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Uh?
946
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.159
Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three
947
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years now. We offer these standard bonus features like early
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the episode featuring this case. So if you want to
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download a commentary track in which I make more smart
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ass remarks about Jewel Kaylor, then sure to join Tier three.
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So I want to let you know a little bit
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about the Jules and Nashty patreons. So there's early ad
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free episodes of the Path Went chili. We've got our
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Pathwent Chili mini's, which are always over an hour, so
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they're not very mini, but they're just too short to
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turn into a series, and we're really enjoying doing those,
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so we hope you'll check out those patreons.
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We'll link them in the show notes.
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So I want to thank you all for listening, and
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any chance you have to share us on social media
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with a friend or to rate and review is greatly
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appreciate it. You can email us at the Pathwentchili at
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gmail dot com. You can reach us on Twitter at
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the Pathwin. So until next time, be sure to bundle
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up because cold trails and chili pass call for warm clothing.
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Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy