Ryder Lee Features on Killifornia: GATE Program, Mentally Gifted, MK Ultra

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And welcome back to the Walter Bosley channel. And boy,
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Todd's here for a not California kind of episode. It
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might end up that way. We were just talking because
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there's an odd connection. But our guest is Ryder Lee. Ryder, welcome.
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Thanks for having me on, Walter. Thanks for having me on, Todd.
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Really appreciate it. And we have a lot to discuss
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because there's been so many developing things surrounding the GATE
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program since the release of the movie psychic agent, the
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gate program.
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Well, you have, as I mentioned before, just back to
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back two amazing documentaries. The, the first of those two
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was a clockwork shining, which they've heard me say it.
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And I'm not saying this just because I was in
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it because I didn't know what your hypothesis was. Remember
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when you interviewed me, I had no idea. And I
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still think it, A lot of the other shining theories
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are interesting and they make good points, but I think
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yours nails it. We've talked about that. And now you've
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followed it up with this amazing documentary on the GATE program.
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So tell us about how well that's doing, what kind of,
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you know, how it's being received.
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It's had a really good reception so far. People that
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have watched it really very much enjoy it. Very little criticism.
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And the criticism that I have gotten is people that
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kind of don't really exist in this type of world
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that we all, well, that me, you and Todd exist
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in and that we do shows on every week, some
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of us every day. Uh, the, the seem to think
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that some of this stuff was just a standard testing
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that everybody went through in public school. And, um, you know, I,
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I try and explain to them that this is not
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a standard type of testing. Now, there were, you know,
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programs like the health department coming to your public school
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and doing certain testing and stuff like that. And some
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schools have public, you know, the president's physical fitness test
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and stuff like that. But this is different. This is
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children being pulled out of the classroom on a daily
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type of base. Like you explained in the movie, Walter,
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you were being pulled out by a guy in a
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suit that you weren't familiar with on a pretty frequent base.
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And also Katie Page, it is also in the documentary,
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talked about how she was pulled out a lot and
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had these weird and strange tests under her, the hearing test,
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which we believe is the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes. And
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I tend to fall under... what your hypothesis is, Walter,
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there's a myriad of things that are going on. It's
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not just one thing. And this is what I was
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kind of talking with Todd before we started the show
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was that people want everything to be nice and, you know,
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wrapped up in a gift wrapped for them and with
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a present with a bowl on top of it. But
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as we know, and as you know, Walter, as being
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a part of, you know, the intelligence community and have
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an intelligence background and being a part of the military, um,
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It's not just one thing. Operations are not normally ran
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for just one singular purpose. There's normally many layers and
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many levels and many branches to the tree. It's of six...
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and a half layer dip cake of things that are
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going on. It's not just one thing. And that's the
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kind of the issue that we run into here is
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that people want it to be just one thing. They
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want the pink drink or the orange drink or whatever
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drink that people remember taking. And they remember it for
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different reasons. You know, several people remember it for being
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like an asthmatic, like in your case, an asthmatic drink.
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Other people remember it being like vitamins. Other remember it
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being a vaccination. Other people remember different things. And they
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were also told different things as the reason why they
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needed to be in the program, depending on what state
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that you lived in. You were told your parents were
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told different things, you know, so it's a very deep
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rabbit hole. And we still haven't really gotten to the
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bottom of really what these programs are actually for. It
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can be for many different things. It can be for,
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you know, the great the next musician. It could be
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for the next. person, the next activist. It could be
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for the next political leader. Yeah, so we have many
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different operations that could possibly be going on here. And
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many of the things like what Walter talked about within
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the documentary and, you know, how this could be a
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giant long military operation or governmental operation. But we have
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found out since the release of the documentary, because we
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talk about Charlie Kirk in the documentary slightly. that Charlie
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Kirk did go to a gate program school in Palatine, Illinois,
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called Creative Children's Academy, and it's now been renamed Quest
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Academy in 1999. Lance Twiggs, the lover of Tyler Robinson,
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the guy that's been charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk, also
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went to a gate program school called Utah Tech Success Academy.
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he was a highly gifted piano player and started getting
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into drugs and alcohol, which is, that seems to be
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a thing that happens when you were, you kind of
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reject this type of program happened. You start to just
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delve into drugs and alcohol and become, you know, how
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I personally believe, you know, a lot of drug addicts
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have been through these types of gate programs, but Lance
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Twigg's family, uh, had multiple loans and mortgages on their
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700K home in Utah after this was going on for decades. Right.
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700K liens against their home. And just a few months
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after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, they were able to pay
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off that house somehow.
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Mr. Lee, would you mind telling people when these programs
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officially began? Do you have like a year?
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1962 is when the MGM Mentally Gifted Minors Program started
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in California that Walter Bosley was a part of. That's
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one of the earliest ones that there's actual documentation for,
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but we believe that there were ones that were started
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before that as early as 1958 and possibly even earlier
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than that in the mid-early 50s in a place in...
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called Indian Lake in New York where a gentleman found
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a box of old video film reels and photos of
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a really weird government military experimentation that was going on
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there that involved children and headphones and blocks and spoons
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and stuff like that.
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And like you said, it has a sort of disguise
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for all the 50 states. So this program happened in Wyoming, Montana,
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all the states, Alaska, Hawaii.
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Yes, I know somebody that was part of a program
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in Wyoming that they were the only person inside of
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the program. Like, yes, it is happening. And this is
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just the United States. There's been people that has reached
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out to me that have said talked about Canada, Australia,
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the UK. And also the the movie is also available
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in the UK as well. It wasn't available for the
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first couple of months of release. But if you're currently
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in the UK, you can now watch it on Amazon
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Prime in the UK as well as the United States, Canada.
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I haven't gotten it yet, but yes, this seems like
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it was a worldwide thing because really this started in
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1957 whenever Russia launched Sputnik into space. They beat us
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into space, and this kind of freaked out the Eisenhower administration,
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and then we launched Explorer 1. into space in 1988.
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I mean, 1958. And then that's whenever this coordinated effort
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really began to find some of the smartest people within
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the public education system. Because where are you going to
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find people to cultivate and bring new people into the fold? Well,
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the easiest place to do that is in the public
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school system, right? You sift through the children. And this
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is kind of, also where it starts because just like
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with the clockwork shining in Laurel Canyon, which I'm sure
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you're very familiar with what was going on in Laurel
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Canyon and how people that were the musicians of that
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time were, had fathers and family members that were military people. Yes.
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Speaking of Laurel Canyon, it's, it's been said that Jolly
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West has like a secret laboratory in the mountains where
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of Laurel Canyon or San Bernardino. Did you find anything about.
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That?
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That probably was the Um, that has been hypothesized. And
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I mean, Jolly West we know has been, has a
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insane history with, uh, you know, a lot of different people, including, uh,
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Oswald and like, uh, uh, John Hinckley, a lot of
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these people, uh, Manson, uh, as well. Uh, so, uh,
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I didn't have not found any, uh, But the bottom
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of the Pentagon, apparently there's a secret room that Sidney
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Gottlieb had a lab at the bottom of the Pentagon.
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That's interesting. I didn't know that he had one at
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the bottom of the Pentagon.
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Yes.
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Wow, that's confirmed.
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Yes, Sidney Gottlieb, that's where Russell Targ was taken whenever
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they were starting to start up some of these science...
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remote viewing programs he was taken to the bottom of
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the the pentagon and this is where sydney gottlieb had
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in simple we as we know who sydney gottlieb has
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used the right.
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Head civil yeah simple league was part of the mk
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often right yes yeah um So the really interesting thing
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is to what ends are they doing these testing? Is
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it more or less the SSR was doing this, so
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we have to do it? Or was it more than
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that one reason?
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I think it combines a lot of different things. I mean,
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that's kind of been the excuse for doing anything in
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the United States since after World War II has been, well,
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we have to do it because Russia. And that's kind
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of changed and morphed into, well, we got to do
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it because China. You know, that's kind of the whole
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race right now with like AI and this digital surveillance
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system that we're starting to build within the United States.
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We got to get the facial recognition in this digital
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ID stuff going or, you know, if we don't, then...
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China's got the technology. It's just a different country for
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a different excuse. But that seems to be the excuse
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that was used to do a lot of things that
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otherwise probably never would have been done after World War
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II is because Russia was doing it, right?
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Right, right, right. So how many, would you say, just ballpark,
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how many different programs had to deal with all this?
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Like how many covert programs would you say? Was it
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just the one program or were there many programs happening
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at once?
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I would say many programs happening all at once and
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they were all named different names. And when we're talking
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about gifted and talented education here, right? We're not talking,
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or are we talking about the psychic spy remote viewing? Yeah.
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I'm talking about all of it. All of it.
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Go ahead, Walter. each state had its own name and administered,
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what's the word for it, program within that program. Like California,
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as you mentioned before, was MGM, and I think another
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state called it something else and such. So the way
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it works a lot with these operational names, what's his name?
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the guy that worked out at area 51, uh, Barnes,
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TD Barnes, is that his name? Anyway, um, he's mentioned
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before in a recent interview, I heard him do, um,
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there were operations that existed only to be a slot
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where money was moved through. It wasn't really an operation
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that had a objective and it was manned and they
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were doing Bondi and things out in the field. So, um,
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There's a lot of that that goes on. People get
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all excited about, ooh, Operation This or Operation That, and
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they may not know that all it was was just
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a way to buy taper clips and staples for the office,
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but everything had to be classified. Anyway, sorry for the meander.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I would 100% agree with that. It's been disguised. The
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money has been hidden through different corporations, different shell companies,
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different companies that have been in funneled through specific donors
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of people. I mean, even the MK ultra programs that
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were ran on children, there was a whole ABC news
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broadcast that was all about this. And I believe, the
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late eighties, I believe this was when this happened and
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it was, it's around 10 minutes long. You can still
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find it. I put it in the movie.
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They ask the later on in that piece that they done, uh,
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they asked them like, did you know that the CIA
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was funding this? And they said, no, we had no
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idea that the CIA was funding this operation to study
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and do run experiments on over 400 children. And there's
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some kind of ultra sub project because it's been, um,
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hidden through different, and that's another thing with the, even
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with the psychic spy stuff with the government, it was
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hard to track down exactly who was funding SRI during
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that time. You know, you have like the CIA funding SRI,
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and then later on you get the Air Force, the
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CIA drops funding, then the Air Force out of Dayton, Ohio,
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you know, picks up funding. That's why we have Dale
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Graff in the movie. He talks about how Russell Targ
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and how put off comes to, what's that, the big
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Air Force base in, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Wright-Patterson, yeah.
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And ask them, uh, you know, uh, if they would
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be interested in funding us or I, because Pat price
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had just died and the CIA cuff funding, which is
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so weird. Why would you do that? You, you had
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Pat price. Wasn't the only remote viewer that was being
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studied at SRI, but he's been kind of hailed as
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this mythical figure as one of the best. So it's
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kind of odd and suspicious that soon as he dies.
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The CIA just completely cuts funding. And it's also really
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suspicious that the CIA was supposed to get the program
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in 1995 from the DIA, the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit.
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And then they said that the program never worked when
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they knew that remote viewing worked because they had been
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funding it since the early 70s at SRI.
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It's like anti-gravity. There was open source technology. articles and research,
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you know, being talked about in the science and technical
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magazines and things like that. And then it is genuinely suspected,
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generally suspected that around 58 or 59, T. Townsend Brown
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made a breakthrough in anti-gravity. And then all of a
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sudden it wasn't talked about anymore. And after that, it
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was in the realm of, oh, that doesn't, that's science fiction.
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You can't do anti-gravity. So this seems to be a
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pattern when something really does work. you know, to say, Oh,
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it doesn't work. So forget about it. I, I think
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that's just a sleight of hand, you know, don't look
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at this anymore because we are really doing serious stuff
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with it. We don't want you to.
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Now, Mr.
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Lee, do you think that this documentary, um, psychic agent
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is sort of the natural progression from clockwork shining? Both
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documentaries were so very good. Uh, Or do you plan
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to go back and do another one that would go
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perhaps in between these documentaries?
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Do you feel?
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I've been thinking about doing another Kubrick documentary, possibly around
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Eyes Wide Shut, because I think that there's a lot
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of information there and how this may be connected to
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the Epstein stuff and the elite Hollywood Rothschild parties and
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how the Rothschilds are actually connected to the public school
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education system. So, uh, and how they funded that. And
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one of the people that they brought in and we
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know Jeffrey Epstein work for the Rothschilds is all over
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the Epstein files represented the Rothschild family and the Rothschild, well,
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the Rockefellers see there's a, The Rockefellers were actually the
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ones that were responsible for the testing of psychic children
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out of Duke University. So the Rockefellers were funding psychic
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tests by J.B. Ryan and Carl Zender, which they created
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the Zender cards. And then they tested indigenous school children
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in Canada and also children within the United States.
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Interesting. Now, in your research, have you, come across anything
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having to do with aristotle onassis did he help fund
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any of.
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This onassis is really interesting and that kind of connects
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into uh you know some jfkx uh territory that's you
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um and uh jackie ended up marrying.
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Correct right well jackie was on the um yacht On
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Onassis' yacht for like two weeks or something like that
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in October of 1963. She was with Onassis right before
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the assassination.
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That's interesting. That's a really interesting thread that could possibly
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be pulled at a later time when more research has
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been done on that. But that's really interesting. I would
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definitely look into that because Onassis was funding a lot
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of stuff.
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Yeah, Blofeld.
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Mm-hmm. And that's the same with Epstein as well. Epstein
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was funding a lot of research. Oh, yeah. Human cloning. Yeah. Yep.
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Human cloning, cybernetics. What was that one? I had somebody
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on my show that was talking about how you, what's that,
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the freezing technology that Walt Disney supposedly, hypergenic.
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Cryogenics.
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Cryogenics. He was apparently in the cryogenics as well and
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how he wanted his body frozen and for like to
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be returned on a later date, like all kinds of
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insane stuff. And we found that out with that um
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steve bannon interview that got released a partial part of
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that got released online i think like four hours or
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something and we found out how weird and wacky some
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of epstein's stuff actually was he was actually into this
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the things that you know, we kind of talk about
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on a daily and weekly basis. He was actually ending
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into it and he was funding.
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It.
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Uh-oh.
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That's a horror film. Okay. So go for it, Walter.
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Oh, I was just feeling, I'm formulating. Oh, okay.
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Okay. Well, while we have dead air, do you mind
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if I go into a little of the California connection
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to some of this, or do you want me to wait?
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Just one moment.
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Something I remembered, Ryder, since we did your documentary, I
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recall in first grade, there was this reading system of
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color-coded cards. And you would work your way up the
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levels and you would do it independently. And you'd wear headphones.
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And I've found it online once. I've got it in
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my notes somewhere. I can't remember the name of it.
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For some reason, this is kind of weird. I always
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connected the letters or the acronym SRI with this system.
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And I did this in first grade. And what was
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interesting was on the second day of second grade, that's
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the second grade class I was yanked out of and
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put into an advanced class. So, you know, I wonder
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these independent, I'll get you some more information on that
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because there might be something interesting to be revealed out
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of something like that. It could have been a way
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that they gauged, you know, different levels on kids independently,
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because you would do it in the classroom independently.
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Now, most of these programs, Ryder, did they happen at
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public schools or private liberal arts type schools? Or is
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it just both?
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several of the, there are entire gate program schools. Like
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I mentioned, Charlie Kirk was in a gate program school
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that was just dedicated to gifted and talented educated children.
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So they were all deemed to be gifted and talented. Uh,
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the Lance twigs also was in a complete school just
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for that. Uh, Utah Tech Center. So another one is, see,
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it's not just, you know, political people. It's not just
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the military. It's not just the three-letter organizations. They're also
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looking for, you know, musicians, you know, leaders in, you know, technology,
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the heads of corporations, the heads of, you know, companies
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and stuff like that. And Tupac is also a part
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of one of these gifted organizations. schools okay people might
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get heated at me because everyone loves tupac but you
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know it just shows you that even people that appear
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to be gangsters and hardcore rappers and stuff were just
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actors i mean tupac auditioned for this and got accepted
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into this prestigious gifted art academy in baltimore where only
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10% of kids ever got accepted into over a thousand
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kids applied for it every single year. And only around
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a hundred kids got accepted into it and attended the school.
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It's called Baltimore school for the arts. And he studied
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acting and, poetry jazz and ballet uh his former theater
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department had described him as being like exceptionally gifted as
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an actor and then right before he graduates his family
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just up and randomly moves to la right and then
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he started his acting career and then became a gangster
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rap artist right right when he was never that before
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he was just an actor so he was just playing.
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A role They solved his murder, too.
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That just came out, right? Yeah.
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Well, I'm curious if you've ever heard of the Green
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Valley School in Dayton, Florida.
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No, I haven't, but I know a few people that
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did go to a gate school in Florida. I don't
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think it was Green Valley, though. It was in Dayton.
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For your thesis, I would highly suggest that you look
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into the Green Valley School just because it was sort
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of an experimental school. And I think it's where students
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of that school performed a human sacrifice in 1973. And
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the principal is a paperclip Nazi. Essentially, the paperclip changed
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its name to something else. He came over during that time.
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It's definitely worth looking into this quote. The name of
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the murder victim is Michael Cochran. And I highly suggest, Mr. Lee,
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that you take a look at that case.
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I'm going to put it into my notes really quick
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on my phone.
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C-H-O, no, C-O-C-H-R-A-N. I'm sorry.
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Well, Todd, what was the California connection?
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Well, that, and then I would also look into Stanley
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Dean Baker. Because in my opinion, Stanley Dean Baker was
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part of the MKUltra program. Now, we can't know that
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for sure until we get his Navy records. But there's
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just something very bizarre about him getting right out of
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the Navy and not even a month later doing this
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satanic ritual killing. You know, I don't think.
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I.
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Think taking LSD for the first time and going to
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satanic killer is such a big leap in a short
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amount of time. There has to be something there. Of course...
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If you've read Dave McGowan's Program to Kill, it kind
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of fits within your thesis a whole bunch. Also, Stephen
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Craig Heard, another member of the 4Pi movement, like Stanley
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Dean Baker. I would also look into him for a
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possible connection to MKUltra. Of course, I believe that Dr.
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William Joseph Bryan Jr., who actually attended Duke University, was
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the Grand Chingon. of the 4Pi movement, and it was
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part of MK Often. I personally believe because the lab
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testing was so successful, they had to have taken it
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out into the field.
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Yes, I have heard that several... I get a lot
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of comments on a lot of the promotional material that
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I do, like in the trailer, on social media for
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the movie and everything. And people have commented and said
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that I needed to look into a lot of the
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serial killers. Apparently, they've all.
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Not all of them, of course, but several of.
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Them have been involved in gifted and talented education schools. Mm-hmm.
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including the unabomber.
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Oh that he's definitely mk ultra.
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So i found that really interesting uh do you know
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of anybody else that.
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Um well uh considering the connection to the rocket program
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i would look into josh lamb's research on jeffrey dahmer
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he was part of these these special schools also um
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Theodore Hureman, the father of Rex Hureman. I'd look into him.
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I'd also take a glance at Patrick Carney, who ended
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up working at Hughes Aircraft. I would definitely look at
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at least those three.
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Yeah, there is actually a, you're speaking of this aerospace connection.
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There's actually a, I think me and Walter did it
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on one of the shows that we did promoting the movie.
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Danny Sheehan, he's known as like the UFO lawyer. He
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talked about how that outside of Northrop Grumman, There was
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this gate program school where the sons and daughters of
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military personnel were that were a part of on the
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like right outside of north of Grumman.
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Were uh part.
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Of this program and they would drug them so they
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would get the drugs and normally and then they would
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be like trained to remotely pilot ufos and uaps.
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That's the same that's the same aerospace company that Theodore
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Horman worked for the father of Rex Horman the Long
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Island serial killer.
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Northrop Grumman what yeah oh yeah there you go buddy.
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Well, they're a company that's been around a long time. Yeah.
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And they're pretty big in that. So, I mean, you
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got to figure the number of employees. You know, something
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bad's going to happen when you've got that many people,
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you know. So I'm not, I agree with Todd. There's
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something connected here. Have you ever had, Ryder, have you
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had any, what you suspected to be, or maybe even overt,
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identified official interest in your most recent documentaries?
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Official interest? What do you mean?
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Has, you know, has Uncle Sam or anybody that feels
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like Spook World, you know, talked to you or questioned
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you or asked you, inquired about particularly the, you know,
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the two, the most recent? this gate one and again,
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the shiny one.
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No, not that I can think of that. Cause I
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don't really talk to a lot of people. I try
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and like, you know, keep my distance from people online
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and people that message me. I don't really reply to
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people that I don't have. Like, I don't even accept
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friend requests from people that I don't have at least
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five or more mutual friends with. I don't really talk
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to people like that. And I kind of actually learned
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my lesson by, you know, agreeing with someone recently on
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a certain individual, Dave Grosh, that was just on Joe
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00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:44.400
Rogan before and saying that he was a, you know,
483
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.400
that he didn't. That he might seem like he's an
484
00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:49.839
asset and he's out there pushing stuff that he doesn't
485
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:52.420
know anything about and that he's doing, you know, second
486
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.119
and third hand witness testimony. He doesn't really know any
487
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:57.569
about any of this stuff firsthand. He's just talking with
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00:31:57.609 --> 00:32:02.130
people that circular reporting, right? He's just going off based
489
00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:05.890
off of people's testimony about things that have been talked
490
00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:08.559
about for decades in this community. Right. And he's talking
491
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.779
about it on an official level. And I said that
492
00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:14.480
to this person and then, and then I make a video.
493
00:32:15.809 --> 00:32:20.589
about how he's talking about this on Joe Rogan about
494
00:32:20.630 --> 00:32:23.509
these reptilians or whatever and how the reptilians crashed in
495
00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:27.390
the UFO ship and then the military had to shoot
496
00:32:27.430 --> 00:32:29.750
and kill them because they were whatever. And I was like,
497
00:32:29.829 --> 00:32:32.980
you know, if Dave Grush can get on Joe Rogan
498
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.880
and talk about this and it be the most popular
499
00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:40.880
podcast in the world, you can be talking about reptilians now. Like,
500
00:32:40.940 --> 00:32:43.799
I shouldn't be criticized for anything that I say because...
501
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.619
My stuff is not even in any way as ridiculous
502
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:52.359
as what he's claiming. And then people were like, you're
503
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.579
supporting Dave Grush when you've done nothing but talk bad
504
00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.420
about him. You just confused what I was saying. This
505
00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:04.089
was not a promotion of what he was talking about.
506
00:33:04.109 --> 00:33:07.250
This was actually me saying that the things that I
507
00:33:07.289 --> 00:33:11.069
talk about are nowhere even close to the things that
508
00:33:11.130 --> 00:33:12.210
he's claiming happened.
509
00:33:12.819 --> 00:33:13.720
This is what i'm saying.
510
00:33:13.819 --> 00:33:16.319
But people were like oh you're you're propping up this
511
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.779
known grifter this known disinformant person i'm like you don't
512
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.490
understand what i'm even saying.
513
00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:25.329
So yeah the the alarmists in our community need to
514
00:33:25.369 --> 00:33:28.670
just take a deep breath and calm down a little
515
00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:32.950
bit and like you say listen to what people are
516
00:33:33.009 --> 00:33:36.759
saying right now you can look there's a lot of
517
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.599
people out there i think it's those people with no
518
00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:42.960
inner inner monologue they call it um These are the
519
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:49.710
kind of people that can't say they don't like someone personally.
520
00:33:50.390 --> 00:33:54.490
They can't acknowledge their strengths in what they do. There's
521
00:33:54.509 --> 00:33:56.849
a particular writer out there, a guy who's published by
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00:33:56.890 --> 00:34:01.109
David Childress, and I love his books. He's done excellent
523
00:34:01.150 --> 00:34:03.250
research in the books that I have of his, two
524
00:34:03.289 --> 00:34:06.390
of them, and I've cited them, and it's important work
525
00:34:06.450 --> 00:34:09.280
in our field. I had the opportunity to meet him
526
00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:13.869
personally and interact with him, and he's a big asshole.
527
00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:18.179
But that aside, I'm not going to trash his work
528
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:22.000
because I didn't particularly, you know, like the guy. And
529
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.300
I'm not one of those, I can't stand this, the, oh,
530
00:34:26.389 --> 00:34:30.110
don't meet your heroes, dude. They'll disappoint you. Well, you know,
531
00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:33.510
my response to that is, F you. People are human.
532
00:34:34.369 --> 00:34:36.690
All of us, we all have our days, you know,
533
00:34:36.730 --> 00:34:38.949
and that's how I wrote off this particular author. Maybe
534
00:34:38.969 --> 00:34:45.449
he was having a bad day or something, you know, ultimately, but, um, uh, yeah. Um,
535
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.219
there's just folks that they ping at everything. Right.
536
00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:54.239
You know, it's just unbelievable that, you know, someone can
537
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.900
support you. This is what I found a hardcore in
538
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:59.280
this community is that like, you can do a hundred
539
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.400
videos of ever someone agreeing with you as soon as
540
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.650
you do something. that they don't like. It's like they
541
00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:11.389
turn into full attack mode. Yeah. So the hundred before this, uh,
542
00:35:11.429 --> 00:35:11.909
was okay.
543
00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:12.429
And you were great.
544
00:35:12.449 --> 00:35:14.949
And you were my biggest supporter. But now that I,
545
00:35:15.010 --> 00:35:16.849
the one time that I say something that you don't
546
00:35:16.869 --> 00:35:18.889
like you jump ship on, like, well, I didn't want
547
00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:20.190
you as a follower anyway.
548
00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:22.530
Yeah.
549
00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:24.670
You're going to jump ship on me. You're not going
550
00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:27.789
to hold it for me. Uh, then, you know, I
551
00:35:28.110 --> 00:35:29.070
didn't want you there anyway.
552
00:35:29.369 --> 00:35:31.289
They're going to, yeah. They're going to waffle like that. Todd,
553
00:35:31.329 --> 00:35:35.639
we're getting a lovely shot of your ear. your oh headphone.
554
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.900
Oh thank you well see that's one of the that's one.
555
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.719
Of the parts back or go to the right a
556
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.119
little bit there you go well that's too far for
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00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.829
you i understand because you got to be able to
558
00:35:45.889 --> 00:35:47.550
see that there you go.
559
00:35:47.949 --> 00:35:50.289
Yeah well i keep the thing is that little box
560
00:35:50.369 --> 00:35:53.909
is so small i have no idea what what's going
561
00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.269
but um there's always going to be haters out there.
562
00:35:57.489 --> 00:35:57.730
Yeah.
563
00:35:57.969 --> 00:36:00.789
You know, that's just kind of like, like there's night
564
00:36:00.849 --> 00:36:03.050
and day. There's always going to be people who like
565
00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:05.849
your work and people who hate it, you know?
566
00:36:06.429 --> 00:36:09.000
Oh yeah. And then the, then the ad hominem stuff,
567
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:13.300
you know, writer, they, they won't comment on something you
568
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:17.079
said in a documentary or something you wrote in the book. They,
569
00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:19.659
they come at you and say, that guy looks weird.
570
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.250
That guy looks weird. I'm like, what? Uh, you know
571
00:36:24.329 --> 00:36:26.469
i got some of that from some trolls i was
572
00:36:26.530 --> 00:36:29.889
on a podcast recently and there's a bunch of comments
573
00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:34.659
about you know how i look and i know i
574
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.579
okay yeah i know i'm fat right now i need that.
575
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.989
Just because i can't see my reflection you know that's
576
00:36:43.030 --> 00:36:45.869
the that's the beautiful thing about it what's that.
577
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.099
Are you a vampire? I think he's a vampire.
578
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:57.010
No, no. I have macular degeneration and Stargardt's disease. So, like, literally,
579
00:36:57.070 --> 00:37:02.130
I can't see my reflection. It's just like a blur. So, like,
580
00:37:02.349 --> 00:37:04.239
looking weird, it's like it works for me because I
581
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.019
can't see myself.
582
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:11.579
Hey, you know, Ryder, what's interesting, the question I asked you,
583
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.530
of course, you may not know if someone had, you know,
584
00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:20.730
approach to you know someone from spook world because if
585
00:37:20.769 --> 00:37:25.469
they're doing it right they're gonna they're gonna embed it
586
00:37:26.030 --> 00:37:28.739
this is how people you know they say and i
587
00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:31.940
get the logic oh if you were once a spook
588
00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:35.559
you're always a spook because in all fairness in all
589
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.039
fairness i could still be someone with my background i
590
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.159
could still be you know here i got my my
591
00:37:42.420 --> 00:37:46.869
my tattered stuff behind me and and stuff. But I say,
592
00:37:46.889 --> 00:37:50.230
if I could prove it, you know, if I were
593
00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:53.269
that I wouldn't be as broke as everybody else, you know,
594
00:37:53.789 --> 00:37:57.150
but you would have no way of knowing it except
595
00:37:57.289 --> 00:38:00.809
for perhaps the questions they would ask you. Like if
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00:38:00.849 --> 00:38:03.969
you ever get, do you ever show your film somewhere
597
00:38:03.989 --> 00:38:06.429
or you have a screening or you're talking with a
598
00:38:06.449 --> 00:38:10.300
group of people, you know, the thing to note is
599
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.920
the one person out there that asked the question, maybe
600
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:18.010
that was, more astute than everybody else's or or just
601
00:38:18.289 --> 00:38:23.550
really different that could be the spook um anyway i
602
00:38:23.849 --> 00:38:29.679
i i think they somebody in that world has to
603
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.099
be keeping an eye on on your films and what
604
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.730
you do um Absolutely.
605
00:38:36.869 --> 00:38:39.170
We kind of thought maybe that there was something going
606
00:38:39.369 --> 00:38:43.059
on with the submission of the movie, because this one
607
00:38:43.099 --> 00:38:46.840
took a really long time for the submission to go through.
608
00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:49.440
The first two did not take very long. It took
609
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.719
like two weeks, and it was up.
610
00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:51.679
Wow.
611
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:57.150
How long did it take? It took three months. Yeah,
612
00:38:57.349 --> 00:38:59.050
so I'm pretty sure that.
613
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.920
Someone or something had to be kind of putting the
614
00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:08.400
brakes on it a little bit because it was a
615
00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:11.340
really hot topic. I mean, there's, there's a lot of
616
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:17.500
things in there that, you know, aren't overtly said, but
617
00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:22.929
the implications of what they might mean is really incredible. And, uh,
618
00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:27.210
that's what I, and I was kind of worried that
619
00:39:27.269 --> 00:39:29.969
for a minute, I was like, what's going on here?
620
00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:36.119
is this thing even going on because it's obviously edited
621
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.500
really well and it's put together really well and everything
622
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.679
makes sense and I don't like seeing that about I'm
623
00:39:42.699 --> 00:39:44.719
still a very humble person I'm just looking at it
624
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.559
objectively as somebody outside of the person that made it
625
00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:51.409
I'm like there's nothing wrong with the movie The movie's great,
626
00:39:51.550 --> 00:39:54.909
you know what I mean? There's nothing overtly wrong in
627
00:39:54.929 --> 00:39:58.110
the visual presentation of it. There's nothing wrong with the audio. Technically,
628
00:39:58.170 --> 00:39:58.809
it's fine.
629
00:39:58.849 --> 00:40:02.510
It's up to standards, and that shouldn't have been a problem.
630
00:40:02.949 --> 00:40:06.380
So it comes down to something in the content.
631
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.780
Exactly. And I was kind of worried for a minute,
632
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.199
but then it finally got accepted, and now it's up.
633
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.639
But I think that there was some kind of, maybe
634
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:23.630
some sort of... Somebody reviewed it somewhere and kind of
635
00:40:24.090 --> 00:40:24.889
put the brakes on it.
636
00:40:24.889 --> 00:40:28.889
Yeah, flag went up. Here's a question for you. Whenever
637
00:40:28.949 --> 00:40:34.710
you do a film, there's always, as a director, producer, writer, filmmaker,
638
00:40:35.369 --> 00:40:39.789
there's always that big thing that you're wanting the audience
639
00:40:39.829 --> 00:40:43.079
to respond to because that's your... In this film, the
640
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:48.320
one about the gate program, what's the... To you, what's
641
00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:55.090
the big golden nugget in there? That everybody should really go, wow,
642
00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:57.500
and be blown away by it?
643
00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:03.500
Well, it's not even something that is overtly said. It's
644
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:07.820
actually something that is implicated within the movie is that
645
00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:13.530
whenever the government remote viewing, and I haven't said this
646
00:41:13.610 --> 00:41:16.329
on anybody's shows because no one has actually even asked
647
00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:19.929
me that question. And I've done probably 30 of these
648
00:41:20.429 --> 00:41:22.530
so far since the release of the movie, promoted in
649
00:41:22.550 --> 00:41:28.300
the movie. I think that the thing that is not
650
00:41:29.219 --> 00:41:32.179
said 100%, but is implicated throughout the movie, that's the
651
00:41:32.219 --> 00:41:35.199
most explosive thing that you kind of got as a viewer,
652
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:37.300
you got to put two and two together to even
653
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.500
realize what's going on.
654
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:38.880
Right.
655
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:43.159
And that is, That when the program was shut down
656
00:41:43.179 --> 00:41:47.010
in 1995, it was supposed to be given to the
657
00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:49.800
CIA from the DIA. This is the government remote viewing
658
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:54.940
psychic spy unit that was on foreign intelligence, collecting foreign
659
00:41:54.980 --> 00:42:02.840
intelligence data, right? That program was shut down and that
660
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:07.679
there possibly could have been another program that was either
661
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:12.380
running simultaneously to that through another three-letter organization that, you know,
662
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.400
several people within the documentary talked about how if there
663
00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:17.960
was another program, then it would be so top secret
664
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.929
and so classified that nobody would ever even know about it.
665
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.659
So in order for that to happen, they would have
666
00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:29.340
to have a different use for that, for remote viewings.
667
00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:35.090
It wouldn't just be collecting intelligence data on foreign targets.
668
00:42:35.570 --> 00:42:38.250
That's already been disclosed. Who cares if the government is
669
00:42:38.269 --> 00:42:40.980
still doing that? It would have to be something more invasive.
670
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:45.719
They would have to be doing something a hundred times
671
00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:48.860
worse than just messing with some psychics, right?
672
00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:52.739
Well, they're invading people's privacy and they're killing people.
673
00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:54.070
Exactly.
674
00:42:54.389 --> 00:42:57.769
Those are my top two guesses as far as the
675
00:42:57.829 --> 00:42:59.289
thing they wouldn't want anyone to know.
676
00:42:59.949 --> 00:43:00.139
Right.
677
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:01.289
Psychic assassin.
678
00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:04.849
Exactly. Exactly. And I feel like that's been kind of
679
00:43:06.309 --> 00:43:10.610
somehow brushed over in the movie. And then like not
680
00:43:10.630 --> 00:43:13.630
a lot of people really bringing up or really talking about,
681
00:43:13.829 --> 00:43:15.349
you know, and I don't know if it's because they
682
00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:17.929
think that it's not possible, but several of the interviews
683
00:43:17.969 --> 00:43:20.320
that I've done so far on this movie, no one
684
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:21.860
has really brought that up.
685
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:22.199
Right.
686
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.159
Well, there's the third, there's the third option too, that
687
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.650
if you, In fact, that might have been discussed in
688
00:43:31.690 --> 00:43:37.360
your documentary. Some of the original guys, some of them
689
00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:40.000
it's not a denial, some of them it's a suggestion,
690
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.860
but kind of a remote control. Like they're using RV
691
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.880
to control human beings like puppets. Right. That's where the
692
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.420
trouble with the serial killers could... Right.
693
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.730
Well, let me ask you this, Ryder. Can you explain
694
00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:56.889
in this.
695
00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:04.579
Psychic assassination method is it very different from darth vader
696
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:08.179
from star wars kind of like using the force to
697
00:44:08.219 --> 00:44:11.980
choke somebody or is it the same sort of thing.
698
00:44:13.610 --> 00:44:16.050
The way that it has been explained to me now
699
00:44:16.530 --> 00:44:21.550
no one has explicitly said exactly how it was done
700
00:44:21.610 --> 00:44:25.489
i kind of just threw out some scenarios To the
701
00:44:25.530 --> 00:44:28.789
individual and they didn't say this on record either. It
702
00:44:28.849 --> 00:44:33.289
was an off record thing in a private conversation. But
703
00:44:33.329 --> 00:44:38.190
you can deduce who said it. They said that because
704
00:44:38.230 --> 00:44:40.570
I was asking them different ways, you know, I was like, well,
705
00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:42.570
can you do this? Can you do that? And the
706
00:44:42.670 --> 00:44:45.690
one that kind of pinged to me was more along
707
00:44:45.750 --> 00:44:52.130
the lines of. raising an individual's blood pressure to the
708
00:44:52.250 --> 00:44:55.909
point to where they have a spontaneous heart attack.
709
00:44:57.769 --> 00:44:58.170
I see.
710
00:44:58.909 --> 00:45:03.269
Yeah. I was told things when I was first back
711
00:45:03.309 --> 00:45:05.349
in the late eighties being tossed up on my mentor.
712
00:45:06.309 --> 00:45:08.050
One of the things I was taught was a method
713
00:45:08.090 --> 00:45:12.219
of communicating with another individual who might be on the
714
00:45:12.260 --> 00:45:15.599
other side of the globe. And it has to do
715
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.340
with using a particular star. And that you can do
716
00:45:19.409 --> 00:45:23.840
things as mild as putting the thought in their head, hey,
717
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.159
call me, contact me. So if you can do that,
718
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.639
you can likely put the thought into someone's head to
719
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.380
kill themselves or others. And I think this might be
720
00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:42.969
the dirty secret of the serial killer connection. And the
721
00:45:43.030 --> 00:45:47.309
reason why it's probably still going, but very, very secret.
722
00:45:47.769 --> 00:45:51.090
Well, especially with the occult ritual killers, the stars are very,
723
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.239
very important. A lot of those human sacrifices done by
724
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.969
the four pi and perhaps other satanic cults, they happen
725
00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:05.050
on a stellar timetable. So maybe in line with the
726
00:46:05.590 --> 00:46:09.730
Ethanox or something like that. You know.
727
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.070
And no one has put this really together, right? No
728
00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:16.369
one has. I mean, they've kind of talked about it
729
00:46:16.429 --> 00:46:19.849
separately a little bit, and they've kind of used MKUltra
730
00:46:19.889 --> 00:46:21.889
in a way to, like, program, which is still a
731
00:46:22.409 --> 00:46:25.989
valuable thing. But if there was an entire unit of
732
00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:28.679
human beings that were proven to be able to do this,
733
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:33.500
then that brings in the question. I mean, how many
734
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:36.380
of these serial killers, and not even the serial killers,
735
00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:41.940
how many of just the mass pew-pews have said that
736
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.739
yes that they were that they've heard voices in their
737
00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:50.210
head I mean whatever you think about the clancy case
738
00:46:50.630 --> 00:46:53.210
lindsey clancy claimed that she heard voices in her head
739
00:46:53.230 --> 00:46:55.849
to kill her kill her kids right what doesn't matter
740
00:46:55.889 --> 00:46:57.329
what you think you think is she guilty or not
741
00:46:57.409 --> 00:46:59.869
obviously she killed her kids but her claims was is
742
00:46:59.929 --> 00:47:02.230
that she heard voices telling her to do it this
743
00:47:02.269 --> 00:47:04.929
has been an ongoing thing for a really long time
744
00:47:05.409 --> 00:47:10.659
even um the amityville horror case What was his name?
745
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.059
Robert William DeFeo or whatever that killed his entire family.
746
00:47:14.139 --> 00:47:14.840
Ronald DeFeo.
747
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.369
Ronald DeFeo. He heard voices telling him to kill his family.
748
00:47:19.849 --> 00:47:24.269
Another example of this would be Stephen Craig Heard, who
749
00:47:24.309 --> 00:47:27.070
claims he was in contact with the literal Prince of
750
00:47:27.130 --> 00:47:31.789
Darkness through telepathy. He was hearing him in his voice
751
00:47:31.829 --> 00:47:38.019
since 1964. Urging him to kill when he thought he
752
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:38.360
ought to.
753
00:47:40.769 --> 00:47:44.750
Yeah, so I think this is something that can be done.
754
00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:47.030
I was going to, a thought just occurred to me,
755
00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:53.480
jumping over to your Shining documentary. It would be interesting,
756
00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:56.659
and maybe you came across this, it would be interesting
757
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:02.170
to look at the people that Kubrick worked with. Because
758
00:48:03.110 --> 00:48:08.840
he worked in an era when damn near everything every actor,
759
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.170
everybody who worked in Hollywood because of World War II.
760
00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:16.210
They had been in the military. I've done an analysis
761
00:48:16.309 --> 00:48:21.989
on the Mannix cast and crew and other shows and stuff.
762
00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:26.389
And I'm wondering who that we've seen in the Kubrick
763
00:48:26.449 --> 00:48:32.469
films might have had a connection to the agency or
764
00:48:32.610 --> 00:48:34.599
directly MKUltra.
765
00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:40.110
Well, I mean, there's Jack Nicholson, but he's connected to Manson.
766
00:48:40.730 --> 00:48:43.230
Yeah, but what I mean is somebody who had been
767
00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:49.530
in the military or in intelligence. Nicholson hadn't been, although
768
00:48:49.570 --> 00:48:50.789
he's got it.
769
00:48:50.829 --> 00:48:51.809
Dennis Hopper.
770
00:48:52.949 --> 00:48:59.480
Hopper, yeah. What was Hopper in Kubrick's again?
771
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:03.000
I don't know if he was in any Kubrick films.
772
00:49:03.019 --> 00:49:05.880
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Is Ryder, did you ever...
773
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.300
Did that ever emerge when you were working on the
774
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:12.789
shiny thing? Did any of them have any connections to that?
775
00:49:13.090 --> 00:49:17.969
Well, we know that the CIA, NASA, the Air Force,
776
00:49:18.170 --> 00:49:20.940
a lot of the people... a lot of the military
777
00:49:20.980 --> 00:49:25.260
intelligence people were in direct communication and were working on
778
00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:28.579
Kubrick's productions. I mean, 2001 Space Odyssey had.
779
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:29.260
Yeah.
780
00:49:30.110 --> 00:49:34.269
All of the three-letter organizations, all the military industrial complex
781
00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:37.309
were all a part of the making of that movie.
782
00:49:37.329 --> 00:49:39.590
Because when you're doing a movie like that, you have
783
00:49:39.610 --> 00:49:44.159
to have the blessing of the military industrial complex, right?
784
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:46.440
And along with Dr. Strangelove.
785
00:49:46.460 --> 00:49:47.400
Yeah, exactly.
786
00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:51.639
That's how he knew the... Air Force and the government
787
00:49:51.659 --> 00:49:54.360
was kind of upset with Kubrick whenever he kind of
788
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.239
put together the inside of a B-2 stealth bomber before
789
00:49:57.699 --> 00:50:00.269
anybody knew what the inside of a B-2 stealth bomber
790
00:50:00.309 --> 00:50:04.070
even looked like. So he was definitely given some sort
791
00:50:04.309 --> 00:50:08.090
of classified information at some point and he was definitely
792
00:50:08.130 --> 00:50:14.260
working with the intelligence community and the three-letter organizations and
793
00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:18.389
the military industrial complex and even to the point of
794
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.280
actors and people that he worked with that might be involved.
795
00:50:21.340 --> 00:50:24.519
I mean, it's been said that in Eyes Wide Shut,
796
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:28.179
that you remember the ritual? Eyes Wide Shut, whenever Tom
797
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.679
Cruise first walks in and there's the guy in the
798
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.179
middle that's swinging the thing and then he picks the
799
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.619
women to go with a certain man and all that. Well,
800
00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:43.789
the people that were supposedly involved in that ritual, Kubrick
801
00:50:43.849 --> 00:50:46.650
had brought in like last minute and nobody knew who
802
00:50:46.690 --> 00:50:51.800
these people were. And apparently they just knew exactly what
803
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.199
it was that they were supposed to be doing. And
804
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.590
they just came in and Kubrick shot it. And then
805
00:50:56.610 --> 00:50:59.269
the people left and no one ever saw them again.
806
00:50:59.610 --> 00:51:00.530
No one ever knew them.
807
00:51:00.550 --> 00:51:01.750
And were they wearing masks?
808
00:51:02.190 --> 00:51:05.550
Yes. And no one knew. And they just randomly showed
809
00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:08.360
up and then they did this ritual thing. No one,
810
00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:12.219
they never rehearsed it before. They just went in and
811
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.250
did it. And then they left. So it, it, stands
812
00:51:15.289 --> 00:51:18.030
the reason that Kubrick knew. And then whenever Kubrick died,
813
00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:20.449
men were showed up as at his house and was
814
00:51:20.869 --> 00:51:22.739
going through all of this stuff and taking things out
815
00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:25.050
in boxes, like men in black and stuff like that.
816
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.260
His secretary is the one that went to his house
817
00:51:28.340 --> 00:51:32.559
after he died and saw these people in his house.
818
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:34.800
They had keys to his house and keys to his safe.
819
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:36.760
And they were rummaging through all this stuff and carrying
820
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.920
things out in boxes. So it's like, what did Kubrick
821
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:44.400
actually have that they were so worried about? Well, you know,
822
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:47.420
What happened to a lot of these people that were
823
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.179
involved in these types of operations? You know, like what
824
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.820
happened to P. Diddy? P. Diddy's house was completely raided.
825
00:51:54.969 --> 00:51:57.630
What happened to Jeffrey Epstein's place? It was completely raided.
826
00:51:57.769 --> 00:51:59.070
You know what I mean? Like they come in and
827
00:51:59.110 --> 00:52:00.989
they take some things. So it's not out of the
828
00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:04.789
realm of possibility that Kubrick could have been involved in
829
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.150
some kind of. weird stuff and that's how he knew
830
00:52:10.269 --> 00:52:12.550
about the the types of rituals and that's how he
831
00:52:12.590 --> 00:52:14.550
knew the people that was involved in the ritual and
832
00:52:14.570 --> 00:52:16.260
that's how he knew the people to come do the
833
00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:19.280
ritual that was in the movie and then warner brothers
834
00:52:19.340 --> 00:52:22.820
saw this and they knew that this wasn't what uh
835
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.099
that he knew too much because he was like i
836
00:52:26.139 --> 00:52:28.159
tend to believe that he just put himself inside of
837
00:52:28.179 --> 00:52:30.260
the movie i think that kubrick and this might be
838
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:32.820
going too far into territory of my what i might
839
00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:35.219
be getting into in this next movie that i'm doing
840
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:36.639
but i'm just going to say it anyway because i
841
00:52:36.659 --> 00:52:39.119
think it's really important I think Kubrick just put himself
842
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.679
into the movie, and he's actually the piano player in
843
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:51.989
Eyes Wide Shut. Really? He's hired by the cabal, the globalist,
844
00:52:52.570 --> 00:52:55.849
but he doesn't know fully exactly what it is that
845
00:52:56.630 --> 00:52:57.550
he's a part of, right?
846
00:52:58.409 --> 00:53:04.909
Yeah, the blindfold on Nick Nightingale represents what's blocked from him.
847
00:53:05.469 --> 00:53:06.130
Exactly.
848
00:53:06.349 --> 00:53:07.349
I have to wonder.
849
00:53:07.530 --> 00:53:09.170
Then what happens to Nick Nightingale, right?
850
00:53:09.730 --> 00:53:10.989
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
851
00:53:11.329 --> 00:53:12.510
What happens?
852
00:53:12.550 --> 00:53:16.699
Do we know? I mean, the guy, big men carried
853
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.039
him away, but did they, you know? What I'm finding
854
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.960
increasingly interesting, particularly since I wrote a book about a
855
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:30.139
particular guy, after doing the films he did, and particularly
856
00:53:30.179 --> 00:53:35.239
A Clockwork Orange... that has mind control, you know, clearly
857
00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:39.360
stuff in it. And then, and then down the road
858
00:53:39.469 --> 00:53:43.090
in 80, he comes out with his shining, which so brilliantly,
859
00:53:43.349 --> 00:53:47.250
you know, showed in culture. There's the issue of doing
860
00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:51.269
Barry Lyndon instead of a Napoleon film. Now here's the thing,
861
00:53:51.789 --> 00:53:56.269
the Waterloo movie. Okay. That came out in 1970. All right.
862
00:53:57.949 --> 00:54:00.920
He could have, He could have just waited that out.
863
00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:03.539
And when he saw that it was kind of a fizzle,
864
00:54:03.619 --> 00:54:06.940
kind of a bomb, a guy like him would have said, OK,
865
00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:10.739
now I'm going to tell this, you know, a Napoleon film,
866
00:54:11.219 --> 00:54:15.449
you know, because look at this. He fails safe, if
867
00:54:15.510 --> 00:54:16.320
I'm not mistaken.
868
00:54:16.449 --> 00:54:16.760
Dr.
869
00:54:16.820 --> 00:54:20.869
Strangelove was a comedic response to fail safe. So you
870
00:54:20.909 --> 00:54:24.469
had two movies there. He wasn't afraid to do Dr.
871
00:54:24.530 --> 00:54:27.989
Strangelove after fail safe. which is another movie about, Oh,
872
00:54:28.010 --> 00:54:29.510
the bombs are going to drop. What do we do?
873
00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:34.429
It's so tense. So why I wonder it's one of
874
00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:39.079
two things, cause I'm not buying the, well, the Waterloo movie. Um,
875
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:44.860
it's either he was getting more deeply interested in this
876
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.340
kind of stuff. Like you talk about in your documentaries
877
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:51.639
and that we analyze and maybe the Napoleon story was
878
00:54:51.679 --> 00:55:03.030
just a little too basic history for him. Um, I
879
00:55:03.050 --> 00:55:05.210
lost the other one. I think maybe he was just
880
00:55:05.269 --> 00:55:09.170
becoming interested in doing these films about MKUltra and things
881
00:55:09.230 --> 00:55:12.449
like that. But, this was the other part of it,
882
00:55:12.750 --> 00:55:18.190
but he still does Barry Lyndon. So that wipes out
883
00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:23.170
my explanation that, oh, just doing a ho-hum historical epic,
884
00:55:23.190 --> 00:55:26.969
because then he still ends up doing Barry Lyndon. And
885
00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:30.090
Kubrick's not the kind of guy that just because he
886
00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:33.849
has a costume designer already engaged and just because he
887
00:55:33.889 --> 00:55:36.190
has some visual things he wants to do, he's just
888
00:55:36.210 --> 00:55:39.889
going to pick something like Barry Lyndon. I wonder now,
889
00:55:40.889 --> 00:55:45.789
is there something in Barry Lyndon that we're missing? You
890
00:55:45.829 --> 00:55:50.280
have to ask. Is there something about Barry Lyndon that
891
00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:52.340
we're missing? But I don't know. Maybe it was just
892
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:56.039
by contract. What do you think?
893
00:55:57.869 --> 00:56:00.469
Barry Lyndon was a historical flop for him. And I
894
00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:02.750
think that Warner Brothers kind of come to him and
895
00:56:02.789 --> 00:56:05.969
was like, I think it kind of worried them a
896
00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:08.219
little bit. They're kind of like, you know, you got
897
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.559
to do something. And William Friedkin had just come off
898
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.880
of making The Exorcist. Horror movies were kind of becoming
899
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.900
really popular. So they were like, okay, well, let's make
900
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:19.460
an adaptation of Stephen King's.
901
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:21.690
Yeah, they had the book before it was released. I
902
00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:24.309
think they owned the movie rights to the book, right?
903
00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:30.960
Yep. But also, Stanley Kubrick was pitched to make a
904
00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:33.659
Lord of the Rings movie. Did you know that? And
905
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:34.780
it was going to star the Beatles.
906
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.059
Now that I didn't know.
907
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.000
The Beatles were going to be the Hobbits.
908
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:42.400
Oh, wow.
909
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:43.280
That makes sense.
910
00:56:44.380 --> 00:56:46.130
Would there be Blue Meanies in it?
911
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:52.840
I'm like... That was pitched to Stanley Kubrick and Stanley
912
00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:55.679
Kubrick denied it because he said the technology wasn't up
913
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:59.590
to par at that time to make a really well
914
00:57:00.650 --> 00:57:04.349
made Lord of the Rings movie. So he denied doing that.
915
00:57:04.389 --> 00:57:07.730
But also Stanley Kubrick was really into detail with like
916
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.639
all of his films. Like you, like even in Eyes
917
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.400
Wide Shut, he knew the, he pretty much just hired
918
00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:18.599
people to be just in the credits pretty much. He
919
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.340
had everything already done. Like he was a mastermind. He
920
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.210
had the, he was doing the writing. He was doing
921
00:57:24.250 --> 00:57:27.110
the costume design. He was doing the shooting of the movie.
922
00:57:27.369 --> 00:57:29.690
He was the director. He was doing pretty much all
923
00:57:29.710 --> 00:57:32.809
of it. He just had to bring people in to
924
00:57:32.849 --> 00:57:35.630
take care of this so we can put other people
925
00:57:35.670 --> 00:57:37.969
in the credits of the movie. He just needed them
926
00:57:38.010 --> 00:57:40.739
there for the credits is basically what it was. And
927
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.820
that's the thing that, that's why there's not really been
928
00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:48.440
another filmmaker like Stanley Kubrick is because he, he was
929
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.320
a one man show. He basically did it all. He
930
00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:52.820
knew what he was doing. And that's one of the
931
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.650
things with like Eyes Wide Shutty is like he, when
932
00:57:55.670 --> 00:57:58.230
he brought the costume designer in, he already had the
933
00:57:58.670 --> 00:58:01.670
prints out of the way, exact way that he wanted
934
00:58:01.829 --> 00:58:03.929
all the costumes to look within Eyes Wide Shut. So
935
00:58:03.949 --> 00:58:06.980
it's like, what did he know? Did he, he had
936
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.300
to have been a part of some kind of something
937
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.400
that at some kind of party. And then when you
938
00:58:11.420 --> 00:58:16.340
take into consideration that Rothschild mansion party in LA as well,
939
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:18.619
you know what I mean? Like the things that were,
940
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:22.800
if you looked up pictures of that Rothschild party, it's pretty,
941
00:58:25.389 --> 00:58:26.230
look very similar.
942
00:58:26.630 --> 00:58:26.889
Yeah.
943
00:58:26.909 --> 00:58:29.309
Right now, where was that Rothschild party?
944
00:58:29.329 --> 00:58:31.929
I'm pretty sure that it was in LA. I'd have
945
00:58:31.949 --> 00:58:34.289
to look it up really quickly.
946
00:58:34.309 --> 00:58:36.210
Oh, I thought it was in New York or something
947
00:58:36.250 --> 00:58:36.670
like that.
948
00:58:36.690 --> 00:58:37.469
It could have been.
949
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.579
Yeah, because that terrain doesn't look California. It certainly doesn't
950
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.559
look Los Angeles, but it does look New York.
951
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:49.340
Yeah, it might have been New.
952
00:58:51.460 --> 00:58:55.659
York. His film after Eyes Wide Shut, of course, was
953
00:58:55.699 --> 00:59:03.230
going to be AI, which Spielberg famously took the reins of. And,
954
00:59:05.389 --> 00:59:08.670
you know, I wonder what he would have done beyond
955
00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:11.340
AI if he'd been given a chance to do that
956
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:17.179
one I think he was on I do think that
957
00:59:17.300 --> 00:59:21.400
at least from the shining forward he was dedicated to
958
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.619
whatever whatever this mystery behind what he did.
959
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:33.860
Was Google AI says that it was in France. So
960
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:34.559
we were both wrong.
961
00:59:34.579 --> 00:59:36.940
It wasn't in New York or LA.
962
00:59:38.590 --> 00:59:41.750
Yeah, the Rothschild Surrealist Ball of 1972. 72.
963
00:59:41.750 --> 00:59:52.170
So Kubrick himself, did he go to public schools or
964
00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:56.849
private schools? I know he would have gone to school
965
00:59:56.909 --> 00:59:59.449
before the GATE program started.
966
00:59:59.949 --> 01:00:02.070
I had done the research on this, but I've done
967
01:00:02.110 --> 01:00:06.730
so much other research since then, Walter, that I have
968
01:00:06.769 --> 01:00:07.570
completely blanked on.
969
01:00:07.789 --> 01:00:12.050
Oh, hey, I know the feeling. I know the feeling.
970
01:00:12.110 --> 01:00:14.690
Somebody will bring up occasionally, they'll say, hey, Walter, I
971
01:00:14.710 --> 01:00:18.769
got a question, blah, blah, blah. And then I'll remember, oh, yeah,
972
01:00:19.250 --> 01:00:22.590
I remember that in my research. Thanks for reminding me
973
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:27.039
because there's just so much. As you know, you have
974
01:00:27.059 --> 01:00:27.840
to pick and choose.
975
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.000
He went to school, City College of New York, 1946,
976
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:44.260
Columbia University, Taft High School in the Bronx. I guess
977
01:00:44.300 --> 01:00:47.280
he had a really low grade average, which is interesting.
978
01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:51.969
Yeah, that is interesting because the guy was kind of
979
01:00:52.030 --> 01:00:56.550
a natural genius. Maybe he was just.
980
01:00:56.429 --> 01:00:59.340
One of those people. This was also in the 40s,
981
01:00:59.409 --> 01:01:01.530
so he was in high school in the 40s, so
982
01:01:02.269 --> 01:01:07.030
I don't think that these gate programs were as prevalent.
983
01:01:09.090 --> 01:01:11.820
I don't even think they existed back in the 40s.
984
01:01:12.429 --> 01:01:17.550
I was just curious. And he was just too young
985
01:01:17.769 --> 01:01:20.929
for World War II, obviously. He was a high school
986
01:01:20.969 --> 01:01:25.809
kid when that was going on and started college in 46, so...
987
01:01:27.630 --> 01:01:30.949
But he would have been working with, you know, think
988
01:01:30.969 --> 01:01:32.719
of the people that were in his movies. Most of
989
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.500
those guys were, you know, you go back to Path
990
01:01:37.539 --> 01:01:41.940
of Glory, you know, and a bunch of those guys,
991
01:01:41.980 --> 01:01:44.800
those were World War II veterans. The Killing, which I
992
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:49.969
just watched the other night. Sterling Hayden and all those guys.
993
01:01:51.630 --> 01:01:56.219
You know, I'm wondering what Kubrick may have heard. over
994
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:01.340
the years, possibly from OSS guys, or even guys that
995
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.679
had been OSS and then CIA guys that might've been
996
01:02:04.699 --> 01:02:10.300
on the periphery or somehow part of administering Operation Paperclip.
997
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:17.980
You know, I'm thinking he had some, some sources right
998
01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:20.610
there in the industry is what I think.
999
01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:27.440
Kubrick did not attend film school. I got that wrong.
1000
01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:31.750
So that's just to correct that. Sometimes people get stuff wrong.
1001
01:02:31.789 --> 01:02:33.329
It's hard to remember a lot of stuff, guys. I
1002
01:02:33.510 --> 01:02:34.909
got a lot of stuff that I got to remember
1003
01:02:34.949 --> 01:02:35.550
in my brain.
1004
01:02:35.670 --> 01:02:36.489
No judgment here.
1005
01:02:38.449 --> 01:02:42.480
That's the thing with haters. They kind of expect you
1006
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:47.500
never to be wrong. They have really high expectations. But
1007
01:02:47.539 --> 01:02:50.780
like really, like Dr. Joseph Farrell said, we reserve the
1008
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:51.860
right to be wrong.
1009
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:53.000
You know what?
1010
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:54.969
When I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
1011
01:02:55.429 --> 01:02:56.170
Yeah, exactly.
1012
01:02:56.230 --> 01:02:57.110
As long as you admit it.
1013
01:02:57.650 --> 01:03:00.789
Anybody who would bitch about some little thing you got wrong,
1014
01:03:01.530 --> 01:03:03.690
you know, in your book or in your film, they've
1015
01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:06.610
never written a book. They've never made a film. And
1016
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:09.340
that's usually, you know, you hate to, you hate to
1017
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:14.199
play that card until you absolutely have to on something. And,
1018
01:03:15.179 --> 01:03:15.400
you know.
1019
01:03:16.849 --> 01:03:19.469
But Kubrick did go to L.A. for quite a while,
1020
01:03:20.090 --> 01:03:22.010
lived in L.A. for a couple of years. His uncle
1021
01:03:22.449 --> 01:03:24.159
lives in L.A. and he did go to L.A. So
1022
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.099
he had to have been. I mean, that's where we
1023
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.619
kind of hypothesize in A Clockwork Shining that Kubrick would
1024
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.599
have known about Lookout Mountain during that time, because that's whenever,
1025
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.590
you know, Lookout Mountain Air Force military base was really
1026
01:03:36.610 --> 01:03:39.849
prevalent in L.A. was, you know, during that time.
1027
01:03:40.110 --> 01:03:44.130
It was probably an open secret in the industry. You know,
1028
01:03:44.309 --> 01:03:47.750
it's like, hey, don't talk about this publicly or just willingly, but,
1029
01:03:48.289 --> 01:03:50.949
you know, some of the guys work, occasionally work over
1030
01:03:50.989 --> 01:03:54.619
there at the little secret Air Force studio, you know.
1031
01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:58.500
I also have a question for you guys, too, because
1032
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:04.880
I've been seeing a lot of stuff around Manson and stuff.
1033
01:04:04.940 --> 01:04:10.480
And it was actually a video by Danny, Danny Trejo.
1034
01:04:10.820 --> 01:04:14.969
Danny Trejo claimed that he was locked up with Charles
1035
01:04:15.050 --> 01:04:20.170
Manson for a period of time and that Charles Manson
1036
01:04:20.289 --> 01:04:25.829
could literally hypnotize people into believing that they were on heroin.
1037
01:04:26.110 --> 01:04:26.530
Is that true?
1038
01:04:27.070 --> 01:04:27.340
Yeah.
1039
01:04:27.860 --> 01:04:30.280
Yeah, it is. Danny.
1040
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.400
And as you know, Danny Trejo was part of the
1041
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:33.380
Mexican mafia.
1042
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:37.360
Wild.
1043
01:04:37.739 --> 01:04:39.739
Where did, where do you get Charles Manson learned how
1044
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.159
to hypnotize people to believe that they had taken heroin.
1045
01:04:42.699 --> 01:04:46.239
While I was in prison? He spent most of his
1046
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:51.000
life in prison. Like he was like in prison more
1047
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:55.500
in his life than he was out of prison. That's
1048
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.429
sort of like, uh, The thing, he studied black magic.
1049
01:04:59.489 --> 01:05:04.599
He studied the occult. He was a Scientologist. He was
1050
01:05:04.699 --> 01:05:07.460
clear via auditing in prison.
1051
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.539
Yeah, I think that he was being a self-taught guy.
1052
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.599
I think what he was was a guy who recognized
1053
01:05:16.659 --> 01:05:21.050
his own strengths and optimized them. I don't know about
1054
01:05:21.090 --> 01:05:25.010
you guys, but Charles Manson was a human being, was
1055
01:05:25.289 --> 01:05:31.000
an asshole. But he's fascinating to watch when you watch
1056
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:38.300
the Geraldo Rivera films. And that's part of his powers.
1057
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.139
He can get you engaged in watching him.
1058
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:47.920
He understood kayfabe, which is a wrestling term. He had
1059
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.059
a character. He had a persona and he had a
1060
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.539
gimmick and he knew how to use it.
1061
01:05:56.579 --> 01:05:59.460
Did you guys happen to watch that? I thought it
1062
01:05:59.500 --> 01:06:05.460
was a horrible premise. I don't think that movies are horrible.
1063
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.219
I believe that the premise of some movies are horrible, right?
1064
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:10.739
It takes a lot to actually make a movie. But
1065
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.360
did you guys happen to watch that recent Manson documentary
1066
01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:17.909
of the girl that found out that her granddad was
1067
01:06:17.949 --> 01:06:22.710
Charles Manson? No. I think I saw parts of that.
1068
01:06:23.449 --> 01:06:23.809
Okay.
1069
01:06:24.449 --> 01:06:26.920
It's not worth it to catch it. It's so bad.
1070
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:30.460
But that's not me, you know, because I don't like
1071
01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:33.659
to hate on, you know, movies. I mean, I can
1072
01:06:33.699 --> 01:06:36.920
disagree with the direction that movies went and the writing
1073
01:06:36.980 --> 01:06:41.409
of movies. But stylistically, it's very difficult to make something
1074
01:06:42.139 --> 01:06:45.989
like that. So I don't try not to criticize the.
1075
01:06:46.889 --> 01:06:50.409
filmmaking aspect of it but the premise of the documentary
1076
01:06:50.449 --> 01:06:53.210
was just not good and did not not waste your
1077
01:06:53.230 --> 01:06:57.070
time on watching that movie she just like wanted to
1078
01:06:57.110 --> 01:06:59.789
complain and and think that her life is over because
1079
01:06:59.829 --> 01:07:03.250
her granddad was charles manson i'm like really like that's
1080
01:07:03.289 --> 01:07:06.630
the worst thing that happened to you like yeah granddad
1081
01:07:06.690 --> 01:07:07.070
is you.
1082
01:07:06.969 --> 01:07:10.369
Never even met him yeah yeah.
1083
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:12.940
Like I would be doing this the opposite way. I
1084
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.719
would be trying to capitalize on the fact that my
1085
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.559
granddad is Charles, but she is trying to capitalize on it,
1086
01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:23.489
but in like the worst possible way that you could
1087
01:07:23.510 --> 01:07:24.130
possibly do it.
1088
01:07:24.250 --> 01:07:27.570
Yeah. Oh yeah. It's the, you know, protest too much thing.
1089
01:07:27.869 --> 01:07:31.460
Oh my, oh my, my grandfather was Charles Manson. Oh,
1090
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.440
I'm so embarrassed, but let me talk about it anywhere
1091
01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:39.210
that I can. You know, it's, it's a strategy. You know,
1092
01:07:39.329 --> 01:07:43.269
I wonder, you should look into Jane Mansfield. I'm wondering.
1093
01:07:45.510 --> 01:07:46.630
That was so strange.
1094
01:07:46.829 --> 01:07:50.550
Because she was an intelligent woman.
1095
01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:51.650
Yeah.
1096
01:07:51.789 --> 01:07:56.679
And talented, like I think a classical pianist was not.
1097
01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:01.019
Jane Mansfield was a projection. But then she gets mixed
1098
01:08:01.099 --> 01:08:05.179
up with LaVey, you know. I don't know. That might
1099
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:11.820
be an interesting one to delve into. in Kubrick's films
1100
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:18.800
unless I'm and of course if I'm overlooking anything were
1101
01:08:18.819 --> 01:08:26.189
there any actors who came to like some type of
1102
01:08:26.329 --> 01:08:31.770
tragic or less than savory end or time in their
1103
01:08:31.829 --> 01:08:35.479
life maybe after having done one of his.
1104
01:08:35.420 --> 01:08:43.989
Films well lolita the lolita is really crazy have you
1105
01:08:44.020 --> 01:08:46.840
guys had a chance to look into lolita and what
1106
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:48.520
happened on the set of lolita.
1107
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.279
I've watched the film and i've seen the heard like
1108
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:53.680
interviews talking about it yeah.
1109
01:08:54.750 --> 01:08:57.289
Yeah so pretty much what lolita is about is about
1110
01:08:57.329 --> 01:08:59.789
this uh really young girl that's uh you know pretty
1111
01:08:59.829 --> 01:09:04.960
much being against her will is um it's a predatory
1112
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.420
movie of a man you know having sexual relations with
1113
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:16.819
an underage girl uh and it turns out that the
1114
01:09:17.500 --> 01:09:21.850
actor on the set of that movie uh was actually
1115
01:09:21.899 --> 01:09:27.310
having that happen to her in real life by uh
1116
01:09:27.550 --> 01:09:29.869
Kubrick's producer oh my.
1117
01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:37.130
God yeah so yeah Sue Lyon exactly so She was
1118
01:09:37.170 --> 01:09:41.550
basically having sexual relations with Kubrick's producer during the time
1119
01:09:41.590 --> 01:09:44.529
that she's making a movie about being an underage girl
1120
01:09:44.569 --> 01:09:46.210
and having sexual relations.
1121
01:09:45.770 --> 01:09:49.069
With an overage man.
1122
01:09:49.689 --> 01:09:50.640
Only in Hollywood.
1123
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.500
Super wild when you think about that. And then when
1124
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:58.739
you also think about The Shining and the things that
1125
01:09:58.779 --> 01:10:01.119
happened to Shelley Duvall.
1126
01:10:01.460 --> 01:10:01.699
Yeah.
1127
01:10:02.829 --> 01:10:07.869
It's basically the exact same type of thing where reality
1128
01:10:07.989 --> 01:10:11.380
is kind of I mean, art is mimicking reality in
1129
01:10:11.420 --> 01:10:17.119
that case as to really The Shining was her last movie.
1130
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.720
And then she kind of, you know, spiraled out of
1131
01:10:21.579 --> 01:10:27.699
control and was claiming that. All kinds of stuff. Like she,
1132
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.909
there's a whole, and I don't, she just recently passed
1133
01:10:30.949 --> 01:10:34.010
away a couple of years ago. But, you know, I
1134
01:10:34.029 --> 01:10:36.529
don't like to talk bad about people's appearance, but she,
1135
01:10:36.949 --> 01:10:40.350
you know, she let herself go. She was talking to Dr.
1136
01:10:40.449 --> 01:10:43.939
It's a very fascinating episode. I would just. you get
1137
01:10:43.979 --> 01:10:45.859
the chance and you have the stomach for it i
1138
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.159
would just look up that episode of um of her
1139
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.340
on dr phil or just type that in and then
1140
01:10:52.380 --> 01:10:54.840
just give that a listen and a watch but she
1141
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.810
became very paranoid and in the way that kubrick treated
1142
01:10:58.859 --> 01:11:01.409
her on set was almost like she was being put
1143
01:11:01.430 --> 01:11:03.909
through an mk ultra program in and of itself so
1144
01:11:03.949 --> 01:11:08.489
it was like a very meta movie and the way
1145
01:11:08.529 --> 01:11:11.680
that they were treating Shelley Duvall in the making of
1146
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.800
the movie about a movie that we believe is about
1147
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.220
the things that he was actually doing to Shelley Duvall
1148
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.149
during the making of the movie. So it was like
1149
01:11:20.529 --> 01:11:25.210
this very meta, like, breaking the fourth wall type of
1150
01:11:26.189 --> 01:11:30.340
reality that was going on there. That was really interesting
1151
01:11:31.420 --> 01:11:34.779
when you think about it. And there's been several of those.
1152
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:37.899
Like I mentioned with Lolita, the things that are being
1153
01:11:37.939 --> 01:11:42.170
done in the movie is either simultaneously happening to the character,
1154
01:11:42.189 --> 01:11:45.250
the actor in real life, or it happens to them
1155
01:11:46.710 --> 01:11:51.069
later on. Because whenever you've seen Shelley Duvall later on,
1156
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:56.649
you would think that she went through a lot of trauma,
1157
01:11:56.819 --> 01:12:02.770
like a freaking, some kind of literal mind control operation program.
1158
01:12:03.989 --> 01:12:09.550
Yeah, she seemed, I mean, to say not all there was,
1159
01:12:10.510 --> 01:12:14.409
you know, a little bit of an understatement. There was
1160
01:12:14.590 --> 01:12:17.390
something under the surface there that seemed to keep her
1161
01:12:17.470 --> 01:12:25.060
on that heightened wild animal kind of level like she
1162
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:27.920
could never relax again like maybe he kept her on
1163
01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:33.729
edge so bad so intensely that like you said the
1164
01:12:33.770 --> 01:12:36.449
trauma of it she never it was a form of
1165
01:12:37.029 --> 01:12:41.430
I don't like to throw out the PTSD thing willy
1166
01:12:41.449 --> 01:12:45.630
nilly but you know it is something in that category
1167
01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:50.380
and has there been any statistics or anything you've ever
1168
01:12:50.460 --> 01:12:59.359
heard right or about an effect on the audience of
1169
01:12:59.420 --> 01:13:03.689
any particular Cougar film that would be of interest to
1170
01:13:04.050 --> 01:13:05.250
the MKUltra discussion.
1171
01:13:07.409 --> 01:13:12.119
Well, during, I think in the UK and some other
1172
01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:17.500
countries during the release of A Clockwork Orange, gangs started forming.
1173
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:25.130
There was murder rates, theft and like muggings. It like
1174
01:13:25.189 --> 01:13:27.989
went really crazy to the point where Kubrick literally had
1175
01:13:28.010 --> 01:13:32.319
to pull the movie from being shown in those other countries.
1176
01:13:33.270 --> 01:13:35.569
Maybe that's why he did a film like Barry Lyndon
1177
01:13:35.649 --> 01:13:36.149
after that.
1178
01:13:40.590 --> 01:13:47.680
Just as an effect on myself, I believe that watching
1179
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.539
The Shining as much as I watch The Shining is
1180
01:13:50.619 --> 01:13:53.979
not a healthy thing to do because it did give
1181
01:13:54.039 --> 01:14:04.060
me some weird nightmares. People have claimed that The first
1182
01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:07.859
few people that I actually sent the movie to to
1183
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.479
watch to get the screener for and some subsequent people
1184
01:14:11.550 --> 01:14:14.390
that watched the movie after that interview me said that
1185
01:14:14.590 --> 01:14:17.189
after they watched the documentary that I made, they had
1186
01:14:17.210 --> 01:14:19.850
really weird nightmares and strange. But it's something to do
1187
01:14:20.829 --> 01:14:25.970
with the imagery of The Shining that gets into the
1188
01:14:26.369 --> 01:14:29.909
viewer's subconscious mind. And it's really interesting, too, because there's
1189
01:14:29.930 --> 01:14:35.090
so many subconscious things things that are going on within
1190
01:14:35.130 --> 01:14:39.880
The Shining that almost makes the viewer question their own reality.
1191
01:14:39.979 --> 01:14:42.060
Once you look at all the nuances and all the
1192
01:14:43.020 --> 01:14:47.439
flaws and all of the weird continuity errors within the movie,
1193
01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:51.710
it's almost like Kubrick wants the viewer to go insane
1194
01:14:52.090 --> 01:14:56.560
watching the movie subliminally. just as the character within The
1195
01:14:56.619 --> 01:15:00.539
Shining is also going insane due to the type of
1196
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:04.109
programming that he's under up at the Overlook, right? So
1197
01:15:04.149 --> 01:15:09.069
it's another meta thing that's happening within The Shining. It's
1198
01:15:09.090 --> 01:15:12.029
also happening on the viewer and the spectator that's watching
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The Shining. It's a multi-leveled, layered thing that Kubrick has
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really made. But yes, by watching... the shining as many
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times that I've watched it. I had some really weird
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01:15:23.979 --> 01:15:28.800
and strange, uh, vivid dreams after watching it. And people
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01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:31.779
had claimed that, you know, within watching my movie, they
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01:15:31.819 --> 01:15:36.060
also had weird, crazy and vivid dreams as well, uh,
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01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.270
by watching the movie. And I just tried to explain
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to him, I'm like, Hey, listen, I had this exact
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01:15:40.289 --> 01:15:45.520
same thing. And maybe it was like a, subconscious bleed
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01:15:45.579 --> 01:15:50.279
through from me making the movie into making my product, uh, that,
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01:15:50.420 --> 01:15:53.840
you know, it kind of, you know, the original vision
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01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:56.479
of what Stanley Kubrick was trying to get across within
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01:15:56.500 --> 01:16:01.439
the shining, uh, kind of came to fruition fruition from
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01:16:01.659 --> 01:16:04.319
my documentary. And then that was kind of imprinted onto
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01:16:04.340 --> 01:16:05.000
the documentary.
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01:16:06.140 --> 01:16:09.579
Jumping over to the gate documentary and your research on that.
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01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:14.130
Is there any, are there any statistics that, that would
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01:16:14.210 --> 01:16:24.939
speak to whether American public education in general was, like,
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01:16:24.979 --> 01:16:28.159
was there improvement? Was it better during the active years
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01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:32.270
of this? And has it fallen off since then? Or
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01:16:32.430 --> 01:16:35.970
is there, I mean, or there's nothing to speak of that.
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01:16:36.050 --> 01:16:41.170
I mean, I'm wondering if our education system was more
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effective and better during this program than since it ended?
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Well, I believe that this is a very interesting question
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because it appears not. And I can tell you why
1224
01:17:00.050 --> 01:17:04.729
that appears to be the case is because they've taken
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01:17:05.010 --> 01:17:09.590
all the smart and intelligent people So if you take
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all of the smart and intelligent people, and it's not
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01:17:12.390 --> 01:17:14.430
just smart, intelligent people that they're looking for, right? We
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01:17:14.470 --> 01:17:16.510
show the document within the movie that shows that they're
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01:17:16.529 --> 01:17:22.340
looking for people that have pattern recognition, entertainers, people that
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01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:26.300
are funny, comedians. They're looking for anybody that they think
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01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.579
that they can use in the future, right? It's not
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01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:32.600
just smart, intelligent people. But to be those types of people,
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01:17:32.649 --> 01:17:36.449
you have to have a degree of intelligence, right? Not just...
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01:17:37.189 --> 01:17:40.109
street smarts, not just book smarts, right? There's a difference
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between being intelligent and also being book smart. I'm not
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01:17:43.539 --> 01:17:47.579
book smart, but I can, I believe that I'm an intelligent, critical,
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01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.359
common sense person, right? That I can put two and
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01:17:50.380 --> 01:17:53.060
two together and I have pattern recognition, right? They would
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be looking for people not only like that, but they
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would also be looking for inventors, people that can do
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technological things, people that can create programs that are going
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01:18:06.489 --> 01:18:11.039
to be the next CEO that's probably really looking into
1243
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:13.880
AI people right now. You know, kids that know how
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01:18:13.899 --> 01:18:17.199
to prompt AI, that can create AI. So if you
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01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:19.079
take all of those people that can really make a
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01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:23.649
difference in our reality, and you have them working for you,
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01:18:23.670 --> 01:18:26.050
then that means that they're no longer going to be
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01:18:26.130 --> 01:18:29.880
competition for, they're no longer going to create their own company, right?
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01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.720
Because you have them working for your company. So that's
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the reason why, also why we would take a very intelligent,
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01:18:36.260 --> 01:18:40.300
smart person from, let's say, China, or let's say India,
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01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.149
or a technological person, and that might sound stereotypical, but
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I'm just using it as an example. It doesn't have
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to be in the, it can be whoever, wherever from
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another country. We would give them a green card. We
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have them come over here, work for our company, work
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01:18:51.819 --> 01:18:54.579
for our corporation. So we're going to just use your
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01:18:54.659 --> 01:18:57.369
smarts for the thing that we want you to do.
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And whatever it is that you do for our company
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and whatever it is that you do for our corporation
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01:19:02.050 --> 01:19:05.789
and our organization, you will never be able to duplicate
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because we own that. You'll never be able to create
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01:19:09.819 --> 01:19:13.439
your own company using this technology that you developed for
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01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:18.390
our company because we own that patent and you've created
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01:19:18.430 --> 01:19:20.329
that technology for us.
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Right, understood. But going back to the school thing, is
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there anything to say or suggest or wonder if our
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education system was actually producing greater results education-wise? during the
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01:19:38.899 --> 01:19:42.899
years of this program than after, since it ended.
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01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.979
Well, that's, that's sort of, I mean, no, I don't
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think so because they've taken all those people out. So
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those people have not been put into the equation of
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01:19:54.380 --> 01:20:01.649
the overall statistic of public education numbers.
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When you say they take all those people out, but,
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The people who went through it, you mean they've recruited them?
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01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:13.689
They've been put into a separate category. They're not evaluated
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with the rest of the group of kids.
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Okay. Okay. So they found, okay, what you're saying is
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01:20:20.890 --> 01:20:26.270
they found another way to identify than the program. Okay.
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01:20:26.329 --> 01:20:29.569
I get that. I understand that. But I'm wondering if
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the actual level and intensity of education is if there's
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01:20:36.500 --> 01:20:41.850
any statistics that show or suggest whether it was better
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01:20:43.010 --> 01:20:46.909
during the years of this program than it has been since.
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01:20:46.930 --> 01:20:49.289
I'm not talking about the people that they've recruited. I'm
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01:20:49.329 --> 01:20:54.829
talking about the... I'm wondering if, coincidentally, the years of
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the GATE program actually might have, for a while, somehow
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01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:05.390
improved or did not improve our general education standards. system
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in a general way is there anything about.
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01:21:08.149 --> 01:21:12.989
That uh not not necessarily but i would i would
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argue that the education has gone nothing but downhill since.
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01:21:17.939 --> 01:21:22.699
Oh agreed yeah yeah most definitely maybe we have our
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01:21:22.819 --> 01:21:26.659
answer maybe the answer we kind of common sense.
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Wise seems.
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Intelligence has done nothing but decrease and it might appear
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that way for a reason because I want people to
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01:21:38.369 --> 01:21:41.649
think that everybody is stupid but that doesn't mean that
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there's not intelligent smart people still out there but I
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would I guess kind of what I was getting at
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is that I don't believe that the smart intellectual people
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that could have brought the standard up of intelligence in
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a group setting were counted in the whole of people
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that they would be statistically studying.
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Okay.
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Is what I mean. So the gate program kids that
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were involved in the gate program would have been statistically
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01:22:19.170 --> 01:22:22.399
studied separately so what you would probably need to do
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and you probably could never get the actual documentation from
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01:22:27.939 --> 01:22:31.420
the studies within the gate program is the gate program
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stuff would be done separately from everybody else.
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01:22:35.689 --> 01:22:37.810
Right yeah i would think yeah it would be a
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01:22:37.869 --> 01:22:41.090
separate statistic i was just i was i was curious
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01:22:41.210 --> 01:22:43.810
one thing you know the thing was that the curriculum
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01:22:43.850 --> 01:22:47.310
wise if coincidentally during those years the curriculum and we
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01:22:47.350 --> 01:22:50.050
already answered where it kind of already answered that.
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Shoot.
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01:22:53.529 --> 01:23:00.649
I got my other question. It'll come back to me.
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So, Ryder, may I ask, when is this new documentary
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set for release?
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It's already out.
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Oh, it is?
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01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:10.359
Oh, I'm behind.
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01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:11.800
I'm way behind.
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01:23:11.819 --> 01:23:14.560
I'm going to have to watch it. See, I haven't
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01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:18.500
watched that one yet. I've only watched... Hawkwork Shining and
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Psychic Agent.
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01:23:20.659 --> 01:23:22.880
Oh, no, those are the two that we've been talking about.
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01:23:22.899 --> 01:23:24.619
I haven't done it. That's the newest one.
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01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.590
Oh, okay, okay, okay. I got confused there for a second.
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01:23:28.630 --> 01:23:32.270
I thought maybe you were planning another one, like a follow-up.
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01:23:32.789 --> 01:23:35.670
Oh, no, and it's excellent. You should check it out, Todd.
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01:23:36.149 --> 01:23:39.649
Everybody watching this, go check it out. I remember what
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01:23:39.670 --> 01:23:43.100
I was going to comment on. I think one of
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the problems that they might have discovered... through the years
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01:23:47.369 --> 01:23:51.140
of doing the GATE program, they're watching school kids, right?
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01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:58.180
I think the wrench in whatever they collected, observed, enhanced,
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01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:04.470
the wrench is what we call adulthood. That's unpredictable. I mean,
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how many times have we seen the person who was
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real sharp at school and maybe they were the valedictorian
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01:24:10.449 --> 01:24:12.310
in high school or something, and then they go on
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01:24:12.329 --> 01:24:15.840
to really do nothing? I mean, that happens. And or
1341
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.579
maybe they really go on to screw up their lives
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because of the choices that, you know, once you're an adult,
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and I think that might be, that's part of the
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observation process, if I'm to believe my mentor, is they're watching,
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01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:34.229
you know, what situations you choose to get into, what
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01:24:34.350 --> 01:24:39.010
friends you choose, what relationships you get in and out of,
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01:24:39.289 --> 01:24:41.590
what you do. And I'll tell you, this is a
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01:24:41.630 --> 01:24:44.649
big one in spoof world, as you could imagine, but
1349
01:24:44.689 --> 01:24:49.930
it really comes down to And there's a caveat to this.
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01:24:50.869 --> 01:24:55.380
What you do when you think nobody's looking, that right
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01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:58.479
there can be a measure of character. Now, on the
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01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:03.800
other hand, with the caveat, it also may not be
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01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:09.800
because you have people who, you know, their personal lives
1354
01:25:10.140 --> 01:25:13.869
are a dumpster fire. But when it comes time to focusing,
1355
01:25:13.930 --> 01:25:17.689
say mission focus or objective focus or whatever, They're spot
1356
01:25:17.819 --> 01:25:20.010
on and they're really damn good at what they do.
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01:25:20.630 --> 01:25:25.010
So it's not a disqualifier, but maybe they were looking
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01:25:25.029 --> 01:25:28.909
at so many children in the program that once these
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01:25:28.949 --> 01:25:32.409
people started aging out of school and they were observing
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01:25:32.449 --> 01:25:37.810
them in adulthood, they realized, oh, okay, in X number
1361
01:25:37.829 --> 01:25:41.409
of percentage of these kids, the promise that we saw
1362
01:25:42.489 --> 01:25:48.050
just is up in smoke because... You know, this person
1363
01:25:48.310 --> 01:25:52.350
is an adult. They're an idiot. Maybe. Or just unfortunate.
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01:25:52.869 --> 01:25:56.829
I don't know. Anything you learned on that kind of idea?
1365
01:25:57.930 --> 01:26:01.069
Yeah, I think that when you get to a certain,
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like if the programming didn't take, and as you know, Walter,
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01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:08.220
and as you've said, and you've talked about in the
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documentary and a part of the interview of the documentary,
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you know, they're watching, they're kind of there to push
1370
01:26:15.609 --> 01:26:19.449
you in a certain direction, right? They're there to edge
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01:26:19.489 --> 01:26:23.979
you along and kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. Put you like,
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you should probably do this. Oh, I think that you
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01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:27.979
should probably do. And it doesn't have to be any
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01:26:28.020 --> 01:26:30.510
more than a suggestion. It's kind of like, you know,
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01:26:30.529 --> 01:26:33.449
the whole Paul Benowitz scenario as well. It wasn't that
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01:26:33.529 --> 01:26:37.420
they were telling Paul that 100% that it was aliens
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01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:39.279
that he was seeing. They were just, they just kind
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01:26:39.340 --> 01:26:41.600
of made a suggestion like, Oh, that's really interesting thing
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01:26:41.619 --> 01:26:42.939
that you got there, Paul. And then kind of let
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them just go on with the thing that he believed. Right.
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That's what the, that's, that would be the type of
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01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:54.550
handling that I would expect would be going on with people.
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Once they have gotten out of high school, like if
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it's somebody really serious, like, Like somebody like yourself that
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may have been involved in, you know, something that you
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might not even be aware of that you were kind
1387
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of involved with that might involve, you know, elite groups
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outside of that, you know, and senators and other people.
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The people that are really serious in that, they get
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01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:27.659
more strict with them. They're more, they're there, they're watching
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01:27:27.699 --> 01:27:30.920
them where they're going. Like you mentioned in the documentary,
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01:27:30.939 --> 01:27:32.470
I don't think that I put it in actually in
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01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:34.930
the documentary, but as a part of the interview process,
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because we interview, you know, for like hours. It's not,
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you know, and you're down to like 20 minutes interview.
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01:27:40.069 --> 01:27:42.189
In the actual movie, because you can't make the freaking
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01:27:42.229 --> 01:27:44.010
movie 12 hours, okay? No one's going to watch a
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01:27:44.010 --> 01:27:46.229
12-hour film. You have to put stuff on the cutting
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01:27:46.250 --> 01:27:48.569
room floor. But I believe that you said in the
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interview that there were points in time where, you know,
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01:27:52.329 --> 01:27:55.840
that your mentor would call you and ask you the
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01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:00.920
exact route that you needed to take. And whenever you
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01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.600
off that route, they were like, uh.
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01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:04.420
There were consequences.
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01:28:04.829 --> 01:28:07.529
You went off the route there, Walter, and why did
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01:28:07.569 --> 01:28:09.640
you do that? And they were kind of upset with
1407
01:28:09.939 --> 01:28:11.779
you because they had someone following you.
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01:28:11.979 --> 01:28:14.159
Oh, yeah, they always had a team. Whenever I was
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01:28:14.260 --> 01:28:18.119
traveling between wherever I was to see him and then
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01:28:18.220 --> 01:28:22.460
after departing, or if I was going cross-country, whether I
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01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:26.039
saw him or not, he would have a team following me.
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01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.779
And that's why I would be given specific route instructions
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01:28:31.189 --> 01:28:35.420
to take. And the one time I deviated was when
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01:28:35.460 --> 01:28:38.439
I had my then wife and, you know, what, three-year-old
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01:28:38.739 --> 01:28:41.890
son with me. or, you know, three-year-old son with me.
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01:28:41.930 --> 01:28:44.369
And I thought, well, they'll be more comfortable in the
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01:28:44.430 --> 01:28:48.649
places you can stay along highway 40 instead of 10,
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01:28:48.649 --> 01:28:53.529
you know, uh, cause 10 is kind of the, you know, the, the, the,
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01:28:54.689 --> 01:28:58.850
the serial killer route, to be honest, going through the Southwest.
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01:28:59.430 --> 01:29:04.470
I mean, it's, so yeah, yeah, you're right. It's, you know,
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01:29:04.510 --> 01:29:10.609
another thing is you were saying that is my mentor chose,
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01:29:11.130 --> 01:29:15.470
he waited until I was finished with college to overtly
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01:29:15.510 --> 01:29:19.510
begin mentoring me, which is interesting because sometimes people, as
1424
01:29:19.529 --> 01:29:20.800
soon as you're out of high school and you get
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01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.920
in college is when they start working. Yeah. He waited
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01:29:23.979 --> 01:29:26.899
until I was out of college for whatever reason. And
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01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:30.609
there could be a number of, logical reasons for that,
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01:29:30.689 --> 01:29:34.439
but it is notable, you know, was he waiting to
1429
01:29:34.489 --> 01:29:36.729
see if I was going to be some party maniac
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or something, you know, which I wasn't, I was, I
1431
01:29:40.180 --> 01:29:44.340
was a nerd. I still am a part, you know,
1432
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:48.579
but it, it is this thing we're talking about after
1433
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.399
you finish the gate program and you go into adulthood,
1434
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.899
it's when you're working with people, right. And you're doing
1435
01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:58.340
some type of recruitment or particularly the operational work, It's
1436
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:00.979
always a roll of the dice with human beings. It's always,
1437
01:30:01.659 --> 01:30:04.640
you know, there's going to be the unknowns. And that's
1438
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:10.229
why you spend, I've spent my times with my pager,
1439
01:30:10.270 --> 01:30:13.670
this is the 90s, with my pager when I had
1440
01:30:13.710 --> 01:30:16.029
an asset out in some other part of the world,
1441
01:30:16.949 --> 01:30:22.069
kind of spending all weekend waiting for that secret signal
1442
01:30:22.109 --> 01:30:26.470
that tells me he's home and he's safe. And it
1443
01:30:26.529 --> 01:30:30.289
appears no one followed him there. And you're kind of like, okay,
1444
01:30:31.390 --> 01:30:35.689
what's going to happen? You don't know. So there's always
1445
01:30:36.270 --> 01:30:40.260
that factor, which brings us around to if you want
1446
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:45.960
to minimize that problem, maybe you want to use MKUltra
1447
01:30:46.020 --> 01:30:50.899
to control their mind a little bit more, to know
1448
01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:55.140
a little more for certain. what they're likely to be
1449
01:30:55.180 --> 01:30:57.359
doing out there when they're away. I mean, as a
1450
01:30:57.420 --> 01:31:01.319
guy who ran double agent operations, I could totally just
1451
01:31:01.380 --> 01:31:05.119
in a cold clinical way. Oh, hell yeah. If I
1452
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:09.649
could have sent a body out, you know, to one
1453
01:31:09.670 --> 01:31:13.069
of the targets and that's what you do in double agentry.
1454
01:31:13.590 --> 01:31:16.090
I was that right, Pat. I had a several state
1455
01:31:16.229 --> 01:31:19.010
AOR for a certain aspect of my job, but we
1456
01:31:19.050 --> 01:31:21.869
were global in our operations. We can send our assets
1457
01:31:22.069 --> 01:31:24.560
anywhere on this planet. And if I could have sent
1458
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:29.399
a body and sat there and mind controlled him, hell yeah.
1459
01:31:30.420 --> 01:31:34.149
Coldly clinically, not as a human being, but as an agent,
1460
01:31:34.489 --> 01:31:37.970
pure cold agent, I, oh, the application of something like
1461
01:31:38.010 --> 01:31:44.279
that is just beautiful. But as a human being, that's
1462
01:31:44.300 --> 01:31:49.520
where the problems come in, you know. But I, because
1463
01:31:49.859 --> 01:31:53.130
I can think that, and I like to think I'm
1464
01:31:53.170 --> 01:31:55.630
a decent human being and I see the problem with that.
1465
01:31:56.090 --> 01:31:59.250
We all three here know, and everybody watching this knows
1466
01:31:59.649 --> 01:32:02.979
that there's guys out there in that world that they're
1467
01:32:03.020 --> 01:32:05.100
not going to give a damn. They're going to say, Hey,
1468
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:07.960
it's an effective tool. We're going to use it. So
1469
01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:10.359
I wonder, I have to wonder now sitting right here,
1470
01:32:10.939 --> 01:32:15.420
how many of our double agent situations, Hey, when I
1471
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:19.090
was working in counterterrorism, there were some assignments I had
1472
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:23.489
that we, we would, we would look at each other
1473
01:32:23.529 --> 01:32:27.529
and say, why are we really here? There's a country
1474
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:32.180
I would go down to, Latin America, and I kid
1475
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:34.800
you not, I'd be down there for 30 days, this
1476
01:32:34.899 --> 01:32:42.260
one particular trip, 30 days, and I was operational for
1477
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:49.260
maybe 90 minutes the whole time I was down there.
1478
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:50.819
Killed by Dave McKellen?
1479
01:32:51.670 --> 01:32:54.909
What oh you your computer froze up for a second
1480
01:32:54.949 --> 01:32:55.750
so i had to jump.
1481
01:32:55.670 --> 01:32:58.649
In god damn it okay what did you what did
1482
01:32:58.909 --> 01:33:01.289
what what did i say last funny how i was
1483
01:33:01.369 --> 01:33:02.510
talking about that.
1484
01:33:02.590 --> 01:33:05.710
You were talking well it's right after you were talking
1485
01:33:05.750 --> 01:33:08.550
about how good it would have been to like be
1486
01:33:08.630 --> 01:33:11.869
able to control people uh from a distance as an
1487
01:33:12.109 --> 01:33:17.199
agent and that some people in the um Three-letter agency
1488
01:33:17.260 --> 01:33:20.420
community would probably take advantage of that.
1489
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:23.880
So you missed the part I was saying about, you know,
1490
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:30.659
when I was operational in counterterrorism, there was a time
1491
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.399
where we'd go down to this Latin American country. I'm
1492
01:33:33.420 --> 01:33:36.310
just using this particular one as an example. And I
1493
01:33:36.350 --> 01:33:40.779
was there for like 27, 28, around 30 days. And
1494
01:33:40.810 --> 01:33:46.060
I was operational for 90 minutes in a month. But
1495
01:33:47.100 --> 01:33:50.529
we're still going around doing this, that, or the other.
1496
01:33:50.649 --> 01:33:53.210
And I have posited in the past when talking about
1497
01:33:53.270 --> 01:33:57.329
remote viewing that they do use other people as antenna,
1498
01:33:57.649 --> 01:34:02.289
so to speak, to boost the signal. And so the
1499
01:34:02.350 --> 01:34:05.869
job I was in in counterterrorism, working all over the world,
1500
01:34:06.710 --> 01:34:10.369
easily the whole team or any one of us could
1501
01:34:10.390 --> 01:34:13.170
have been one of these signal boosters and not be
1502
01:34:13.229 --> 01:34:15.510
aware of it at all. because they would just send
1503
01:34:15.609 --> 01:34:19.470
us out to someplace. And there were trips where we
1504
01:34:19.510 --> 01:34:22.149
wouldn't encounter a bad guy or anything at all. We
1505
01:34:22.189 --> 01:34:24.800
would just be there. And we had this routine that
1506
01:34:24.899 --> 01:34:27.000
we had to go here every day and there every day.
1507
01:34:28.460 --> 01:34:31.500
And later, when I learned more about the remote viewing
1508
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:36.340
stuff and this signal boosting antenna thing, and I learned
1509
01:34:36.579 --> 01:34:41.890
some of the facts about it from Lynn Buchanan, I realized, oh,
1510
01:34:42.739 --> 01:34:46.579
they could easily have been using us as one of
1511
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:52.560
these antenna, you know? Like if I were in Bogota
1512
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:58.720
and I was told, hey, go to this particular food
1513
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:03.930
court at the Unicentro, the mall, the antenna, you know,
1514
01:35:03.970 --> 01:35:06.010
go there every day, you know, just kind of kill
1515
01:35:06.050 --> 01:35:10.029
timeline there between two and four and after. Okay. You
1516
01:35:10.050 --> 01:35:12.350
do it because you get paid good money and hell,
1517
01:35:12.369 --> 01:35:16.470
you're in Bogota, you're eating well, you know, living the life.
1518
01:35:18.170 --> 01:35:21.050
And what it could be is somebody that they're observing
1519
01:35:21.189 --> 01:35:25.270
is there at that time. You don't, it would have been,
1520
01:35:25.510 --> 01:35:28.649
it would have been very easy to be used that way.
1521
01:35:29.510 --> 01:35:37.979
And so I wonder, you know, the other remote applications
1522
01:35:38.029 --> 01:35:43.239
of MKUltra, you know, we could, we could do all
1523
01:35:43.260 --> 01:35:43.779
shit with that.
1524
01:35:44.539 --> 01:35:48.539
Yeah. Well, I think that there are real exercises like that.
1525
01:35:49.100 --> 01:35:52.500
They're called some of the programs call them different things,
1526
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.619
but one of them was called beacon exercises, which is
1527
01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:00.710
where a remote viewer can literally see through a target's eyes.
1528
01:36:01.670 --> 01:36:03.829
I might've been something like that could have been happening
1529
01:36:04.050 --> 01:36:08.630
with you where remote viewer literally kind of, it's not
1530
01:36:08.649 --> 01:36:09.930
really like being possessed.
1531
01:36:10.069 --> 01:36:13.539
But I'm going to, I'm going to say this, because
1532
01:36:13.619 --> 01:36:19.239
you said it, I didn't. What you just said. I'm
1533
01:36:19.260 --> 01:36:22.979
not even going to repeat the word. What I'm going
1534
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:32.220
to say is, I have no comment on that. You
1535
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:37.939
get the roundabout way? Something you just said, I will
1536
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:46.520
say terminology-wise, is a bingo. And the first time I
1537
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:48.880
heard you say it, I don't know if it was
1538
01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:52.380
in the documentary or in another interview, within the context
1539
01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:58.699
that you said it, I had one of those, where
1540
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:03.340
do you learn about that kind of moments? And I
1541
01:37:03.380 --> 01:37:07.060
hadn't had that kind of moment since like 90 or
1542
01:37:07.060 --> 01:37:07.399
91 when on.
1543
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.090
What was the friggin' David Lynch TV show? Why can't
1544
01:37:15.130 --> 01:37:18.989
I remember that? Twin Peaks. Thank you. Twin Peaks. When
1545
01:37:19.050 --> 01:37:21.609
I saw Michael Parks as a Russian agent walk out
1546
01:37:21.630 --> 01:37:24.210
in the middle of the field and use a particular
1547
01:37:24.270 --> 01:37:27.619
form of communication with a satellite, and I had been
1548
01:37:27.659 --> 01:37:31.420
briefed about that exact thing three years before the FBI
1549
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:35.340
and sworn to secrecy, never to even breathe the acronym
1550
01:37:36.140 --> 01:37:40.829
in my sleep. And there it was on a TV show. But, yeah,
1551
01:37:41.189 --> 01:37:44.520
you just... I think you're right about something you just said,
1552
01:37:44.779 --> 01:37:46.010
more than you realize.
1553
01:37:49.329 --> 01:37:54.489
Also, as I recall, one time you mentioned the Fuji
1554
01:37:54.550 --> 01:38:01.210
plant that was used in Twin Peaks. The intelligence agencies
1555
01:38:01.250 --> 01:38:04.390
did something like that too, right? With the listening device
1556
01:38:04.430 --> 01:38:05.350
in the Fuji plant?
1557
01:38:06.670 --> 01:38:09.029
No, I don't. Give me more context.
1558
01:38:11.109 --> 01:38:18.409
Wyndham Earle Gave the sheriff a Fuji plant. A Fuji tree, right? No,
1559
01:38:18.430 --> 01:38:19.329
a bonsai tree.
1560
01:38:19.510 --> 01:38:20.850
I'm sorry. A bonsai tree.
1561
01:38:20.869 --> 01:38:22.539
And it had a listening device in it.
1562
01:38:23.100 --> 01:38:27.760
Oh, that's common type stuff, though. Yeah. What what writer
1563
01:38:31.020 --> 01:38:33.699
I gotta be careful I truly do well.
1564
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.239
That's good Walter I'm glad to know that at least
1565
01:38:36.340 --> 01:38:38.689
you know I'm on the I'm at least on the mark.
1566
01:38:38.529 --> 01:38:41.770
There you're somebody told you something that's.
1567
01:38:44.390 --> 01:38:47.569
Yeah I can tell you exactly who I heard that
1568
01:38:47.609 --> 01:38:49.949
from but I'm not gonna tell you on the air Right.
1569
01:38:50.289 --> 01:38:56.500
We can talk later. Because, yeah. Wow. I just I'm like,
1570
01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:06.460
but anyway. So tell us about what you can about
1571
01:39:07.100 --> 01:39:08.739
the next project that you're going to work on.
1572
01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:13.720
Well, I believe that it is– I mean, I want
1573
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.779
to do one on– another one on Stanley Kubrick because
1574
01:39:16.819 --> 01:39:19.619
I think the timing is right. People are really into
1575
01:39:19.689 --> 01:39:23.970
Kubrick again, and it might be like a– I was
1576
01:39:24.010 --> 01:39:27.149
either going to do a director's cut of A Clockwork
1577
01:39:27.689 --> 01:39:31.350
Shining or just decide to do another. But I think
1578
01:39:31.369 --> 01:39:35.649
there's enough material that me and Jay can do to
1579
01:39:35.729 --> 01:39:42.500
make another– another movie, an entire movie on Turner.
1580
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:45.779
Turner classic movies is running an excellent podcast. I think
1581
01:39:45.819 --> 01:39:49.010
it's like eight episodes all about Stanley Kubrick right now.
1582
01:39:49.050 --> 01:39:50.149
Just let me throw that in.
1583
01:39:50.569 --> 01:39:51.909
Oh, perfect. What's the name of it? Turner.
1584
01:39:51.930 --> 01:39:54.270
You said Turner classic on Turner classic. Yeah.
1585
01:39:54.289 --> 01:39:57.869
TCM. I, we just went and watched me and my girlfriend.
1586
01:39:57.890 --> 01:40:01.430
We just went and watched Donnie Darko for the 25th anniversary.
1587
01:40:02.050 --> 01:40:05.069
Donnie Darko is crazy. Good movie. Oh yeah. Yeah.
1588
01:40:05.090 --> 01:40:08.470
Yeah, absolutely.
1589
01:40:08.630 --> 01:40:15.310
Absolutely. So how well is the Gate Program documentary doing?
1590
01:40:16.250 --> 01:40:18.300
Getting a lot of views and such?
1591
01:40:20.140 --> 01:40:23.180
I mean, I normally base it off of how many
1592
01:40:23.260 --> 01:40:25.939
reviews and how many ratings there are because we don't
1593
01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.060
really get any of it. It's kind of like with streaming.
1594
01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.789
It's kind of like if you ever deal with Netflix
1595
01:40:31.850 --> 01:40:35.909
and stuff like that. You don't get the data. You
1596
01:40:35.930 --> 01:40:40.069
don't know the data for a long time. We'll know whenever,
1597
01:40:40.470 --> 01:40:44.350
you know, some kind of, I think in like another
1598
01:40:44.510 --> 01:40:45.439
two to three months.
1599
01:40:46.029 --> 01:40:47.159
Okay, okay.
1600
01:40:47.180 --> 01:40:50.739
We'll know something. We won't have all of the information
1601
01:40:50.779 --> 01:40:53.380
and then that'll be based off of the first month
1602
01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:57.579
of its release. But I believe that it's on par with,
1603
01:40:57.779 --> 01:41:03.079
at least on par, if not better than A Clockwork Shining,
1604
01:41:03.220 --> 01:41:08.949
which is always good when you either want the movie
1605
01:41:08.970 --> 01:41:11.369
or the film to do just as good or even better.
1606
01:41:11.409 --> 01:41:14.010
And I think that this one's going to have a
1607
01:41:14.069 --> 01:41:16.310
lot of legs because a lot of people are interested
1608
01:41:16.350 --> 01:41:19.390
in this. It's a very discussed topic. Uh, the gay
1609
01:41:19.409 --> 01:41:21.649
program is really hot right now. And there's even a,
1610
01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:26.340
another big time director that's, uh, getting ready to, that's
1611
01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:30.539
working on a, a movie about this, uh, very thing. So, uh,
1612
01:41:30.619 --> 01:41:34.180
it's just going to be a really big deal. And
1613
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:35.479
I think that it's going to have a lot of
1614
01:41:35.520 --> 01:41:38.659
legs and it hasn't even began to see it's a
1615
01:41:38.779 --> 01:41:40.800
full potential as of yet.
1616
01:41:40.859 --> 01:41:44.220
So. Well, one of the people, One way you know
1617
01:41:44.260 --> 01:41:46.859
you're doing good is if the streaming network tells you, hey,
1618
01:41:46.899 --> 01:41:47.659
send us another one.
1619
01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:52.989
Yeah, they always want the other one. That is definitely
1620
01:41:53.029 --> 01:41:55.090
how you know is doing really good is when they
1621
01:41:55.109 --> 01:41:57.789
want the other one. And I think that we're going
1622
01:41:57.810 --> 01:41:58.869
to start working on that soon.
1623
01:41:59.329 --> 01:42:02.310
What would you say is the biggest thing you've learned
1624
01:42:03.109 --> 01:42:10.680
from first the clockwork shining and then the gate? documentaries
1625
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:13.460
what were the biggest things for you that you.
1626
01:42:13.340 --> 01:42:21.579
Learned oh man probably uh how much time energy effort
1627
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:24.859
it takes to i mean because with this movie uh
1628
01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:27.220
psychic agent which i have dvds of as well if
1629
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:30.140
people are interested in purchasing a dvd you can contact
1630
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:34.000
me at uh raised by giants at outlook.com.
1631
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.380
And we'll put that link down below in the description too.
1632
01:42:37.060 --> 01:42:43.229
Uh so pretty much basically like just and timing because
1633
01:42:43.350 --> 01:42:45.159
I've been working on this for a long time. How
1634
01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.529
long ago did we filmed your part of the movie
1635
01:42:48.550 --> 01:42:49.670
a while ago?
1636
01:42:49.850 --> 01:42:50.130
Yeah.
1637
01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:54.449
Around nine months ago, we filmed your part of the
1638
01:42:54.489 --> 01:42:57.010
movie and you were one of the last people that
1639
01:42:57.050 --> 01:43:00.029
I had filmed and I'd been filming this for a
1640
01:43:00.069 --> 01:43:02.340
really long time. So I've been working on this for
1641
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:04.619
around a year and a half. So it took a
1642
01:43:04.659 --> 01:43:07.380
while to get everything put together. It was about as
1643
01:43:07.420 --> 01:43:09.739
long as it took to get everything together with The
1644
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.939
Clockwork Shining. So anytime that you're making a long movie
1645
01:43:14.189 --> 01:43:15.899
my next one is not nearly going to be this
1646
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:18.560
long i've done two back-to-back that are around an hour
1647
01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:21.800
and 90 minutes and an hour and 50 minutes sorry
1648
01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:25.979
uh and it's just strenuous it's so time consuming you
1649
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:29.359
gotta watch it so many times and by the time
1650
01:43:29.380 --> 01:43:32.319
you're done with it you're just like tired freaking sick
1651
01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:34.539
of it you're over it you want it to be
1652
01:43:34.579 --> 01:43:35.920
done so bad.
1653
01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:38.119
Your mind is kind of already thinking of the next
1654
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:38.789
one right.
1655
01:43:39.340 --> 01:43:41.600

1656
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:43.479

1657
01:43:43.579 --> 01:43:46.359

1658
01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:48.789

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01:43:48.829 --> 01:43:50.689

1660
01:43:50.710 --> 01:43:53.550

1661
01:43:53.609 --> 01:43:57.529

1662
01:43:57.609 --> 01:43:59.770

1663
01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:02.579

1664
01:44:02.619 --> 01:44:05.239
but I love it
1665
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:11.100
and I wouldn't change anything.
1666
01:44:09.220 --> 01:44:12.619
I mean they're awesome films you were definitely one of
1667
01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:19.199
the best documentarians out there Todd you got any other questions?
1668
01:44:19.300 --> 01:44:22.939
No but I'd like to say that I would agree
1669
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with Walter they're two of the best documentaries I have
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watched in a long time very smooth presentation in my opinion.
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Well, the information is just... Yeah, yeah, it's mind-blowing.
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It really is what it is. It's like you're kind
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of like taken back by the information because you weren't
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expecting it, I guess.
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Well, and I'll tell you one thing, writer, that you do.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. The fact
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that when you introduced... When you interviewed me for Clockwork Shining,
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and again, I had no idea what your premise of
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the film was, It gives, even though I'm in the film,
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it gives me some credibility when I finally saw it
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and said, whoa, this is the explanation for The Shining.
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This is, I'm not just saying that because I knew
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what you were going to say and I was in
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the thing. I honestly didn't know. And I learned it
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when everybody else watching it learned it. And honestly, you know,
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that's it. You've explained it. And, you know, but that's it.
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Thank you that means a lot to me and that's
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kind of the approach that i wanted to take with
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the the movies that i make is because i watch
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01:45:41.779 --> 01:45:47.239
too many documentaries where it seems like nothing really gets
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01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:51.699
solved you know like it's just like it just kind
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01:45:51.810 --> 01:45:54.630
of keeps going and you think that it's leading to
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01:45:54.670 --> 01:45:56.449
a certain place and then it just kind of ends
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01:45:56.770 --> 01:46:00.729
and you're like I got more. I mean, that is
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01:46:00.750 --> 01:46:02.810
a part of it. You do want to have people
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01:46:03.010 --> 01:46:06.739
asking more questions after they're done too. But it seems
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01:46:06.779 --> 01:46:11.119
like a lot of documentaries, they only give you more questions.
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01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:15.020
They don't give you any more answers. And it's just like, well,
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01:46:15.060 --> 01:46:17.390
I got more questions than what I came in with,
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you know?
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01:46:17.770 --> 01:46:21.630
So I've had people say that about my books. Some
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01:46:21.670 --> 01:46:22.529
of them. Yeah.
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But that's not a bad thing, though. I still like
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01:46:25.739 --> 01:46:29.829
those types of material, too. And I love documentaries. I mean,
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that's why I'm a documentary filmmaker is because I love
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01:46:32.409 --> 01:46:36.550
watching documentaries. But I was like, well, you know, we
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01:46:37.270 --> 01:46:40.409
got an answer. We have to answer at least a
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01:46:40.810 --> 01:46:45.100
very important, like one of the very important questions within
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01:46:45.180 --> 01:46:47.720
each one of these documentaries. And that important question in
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01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:51.770
A Clockwork Shiny was, What was Kubrick trying to get
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01:46:51.810 --> 01:46:54.189
across with Making the Shining? There's so many different theories.
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What was really going on? And I believe that we
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01:46:56.630 --> 01:46:57.090
answer that.
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Yes, you did. I agree.
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01:46:59.850 --> 01:47:02.979
Psychic agent, the gate program. The question really is, is
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what was happening with these gate programs? And I believe
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01:47:08.460 --> 01:47:13.850
that we give a pretty good answer to that and
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01:47:14.090 --> 01:47:16.390
what was going on. But it's not the only answer.
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01:47:16.930 --> 01:47:20.050
Just like the answer that we gave in A Clockwork
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Shining is not the only answer, but it is an answer.
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And I think it's a dang good answer. Just like
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01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:31.539
the psychic agent, the gay program is also another really
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01:47:31.579 --> 01:47:32.020
good answer.
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Well, we're down to the last couple of minutes. tell
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01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:39.750
us where everyone can find you and your films again.
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01:47:41.189 --> 01:47:45.289
You can find me on a writer Lee on YouTube,
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01:47:45.430 --> 01:47:47.569
any and all podcast platforms. If you would like to
1728
01:47:47.630 --> 01:47:50.409
reach out to me personally, you can find me on
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01:47:50.470 --> 01:47:53.229
Facebook at writer Lee. You can find me on X
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01:47:53.569 --> 01:47:58.899
Twitter at a real writer Lee and on Instagram at
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01:47:58.939 --> 01:48:00.880
real writer Lee as well. And if you would like
1732
01:48:00.899 --> 01:48:04.140
to reach out to me personally, if you, don't like
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01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:07.180
Amazon for some reason or you don't want to support
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the film on the digital, which I do implore you
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to do because it continues. If the movies do really good,
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01:48:13.149 --> 01:48:16.069
it gives us you know the the funds that we
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01:48:16.189 --> 01:48:18.270
need to make the next movie you know that's really
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01:48:18.310 --> 01:48:20.609
what it's about uh so please get on there and
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01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:22.760
support that it's only it's less than a cup of
1740
01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:25.260
coffee guys you can buy and watch the movie and
1741
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:28.899
support an independent filmmaker that's right less than you can
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01:48:28.939 --> 01:48:31.720
go to mcdonald's and get a large Ice coffee.
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01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:32.520
That's right.
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01:48:33.859 --> 01:48:36.350
But if you would like to get a physical DVD
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01:48:36.470 --> 01:48:38.590
copy of the movie, which I do think is also
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01:48:38.649 --> 01:48:44.510
important to get because physical media is becoming a new thing. Walter,
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01:48:44.529 --> 01:48:46.350
I can also get one of these out to you
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01:48:46.390 --> 01:48:49.020
as well. I just realized that I didn't send you one, too.
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01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:51.720
uh but i also want you to have one too
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01:48:51.739 --> 01:48:53.779
because you never know the sealed copies might be worth
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01:48:53.819 --> 01:48:56.800
a lot in the future you never know walter anything
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01:48:56.819 --> 01:48:59.060
collectible these days is worth a lot of money but
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01:48:59.220 --> 01:49:02.039
if you're interested in getting a physical copy from me
1754
01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:05.159
of psychic agent the gate program you can uh reach
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01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:08.779
out to me at raised by giants at outlook.com thank
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01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:10.359
you guys very much for having me on.
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01:49:10.300 --> 01:49:13.779
It's always thank you mr lee thank you thank you
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01:49:13.819 --> 01:49:15.880
we gotta have you back on because this is we've
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01:49:16.670 --> 01:49:19.090
there's no way this conversation is finished. It can go
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01:49:19.229 --> 01:49:19.789
on and on.
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01:49:19.869 --> 01:49:22.369
So, and I will, I will send you the research
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01:49:22.409 --> 01:49:27.640
material on, um, green Valley school and, uh, I'll send
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01:49:27.649 --> 01:49:32.760
you whatever serial killer stuff you need. If you're interested. Awesome.
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01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:36.000
I think that's a really, uh, interesting rabbit hole. And
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I think I do need to go down there because
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I do have a lot of examples of people that
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have been through the gate program, like, you know, people like, uh,
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Marilyn Manson was supposedly recruited, you know, out of his
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01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:47.600
own words.
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A place to start might be the book program to
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kill by Dave McAllen.
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Oh yeah. Okay.
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01:49:57.470 --> 01:49:59.949
But that revolves more around like MK ultra stuff, but
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MK ultra is, uh, wrapped up into the gate program stuff. Right.
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01:50:04.300 --> 01:50:12.350
Yeah. Yeah, there's connections. All of it's connected, I think. Okay, folks. Well,
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01:50:12.390 --> 01:50:17.850
thanks again. And Ryder, we'll see you again soon, I hope.
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We'll make that happen. And everybody have a good night,
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and we'll see you next time.