Terrell Owens Talks CTE, Tupac, Comedy & Life After Football

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Get to the Point. I'm your host, Terrell Owens.
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Speaker 2: And this is my co-host, Tony Romo. Chris Spitzer. You almost did it exactly the way you did.
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Speaker 1: It on TV. No, I'm an ugly crier, bro. I'm an ugly crier. You know how women say they're ugly criers? I look at myself and I see that clip and I honestly, I cringe. I had like a beard growing. I had those ugly, big ass shades.
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Speaker 2: Ray-Bans?
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Speaker 1: No, they weren't Ray-Bans. They was Ray-Nans. But Romo must have felt good, you know, you cried for him. I don't know. I don't know if he felt good or not. I haven't talked to Romo since, that was 2010. I haven't talked to him since then. Oh, y'all ain't friends? No, I don't, me, no. Were you friends with him then? Yes, absolutely, bro. Those boys. You know football is like a brotherhood. Right, right. It's a brotherhood. So, I mean, and as everybody has kind of found out, I hate it, it's like it takes time for people to kind of get to know people. Right. know who they really are. Like, I've always been that type of person. It's like, me and you, like, we bros, you know what I mean? Anything happen to you, vice versa, I'm going to protect you, you protect me. And that's how I was in that locker room with any of my teammates. And then with that unfortunate situation, we end up losing against the Giants and they had gone on You know, Mexico, him and some of his boys. They didn't invite you? The week of, no. Did you cry again? No, no, no. My focus, I'm a different animal when it comes to football. But my thing was they tried to blame the loss on him and his friends going to Mexico on vacation. Like, really, that didn't have anything to do with it. I'm sure the vacation was before. Yeah, I'm a person that can compartmentalize. Right. You know what I mean? So whatever I did like a week before or a day before, They ain't got nothing to do with what we're doing right now on Sunday, the game. They just tried to make up something to justify why we lost. So, yeah, I didn't like it. I took up for him. I felt for him in that situation. And then, yeah, I haven't talked to him since then. This is Get to the Point, y'all.
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Speaker 2: G-T-T-P, are you with me? I like the shows when it's just me and you. I love our guests.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 2: But it's good that, you know, I've known you 20 plus years, but I don't know how many times we've ever just sat down. We've never.
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Speaker 1: Nah.
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Speaker 2: It's always been after an event. On the fly, on the go, events. Dave Brown is somewhere nearby.
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Speaker 1: Throwing oops, all that type of stuff. I got to get the video of me throwing oops. Yeah, yeah. I think that'll be a good kind of like intro to the show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert Griffith, a dear friend of both of ours, had a celebrity basketball game, 1998. And it was you, Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Dwayne Rudd.
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Speaker 1: Boyz II Men, Morris Chestnut, Dwayne Martin.
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Speaker 2: It was star-studded. And I just remember coming down, and we already know the athlete you are. I could just go like this and throw it just anywhere in the area, and you would.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll go get that thing.
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Speaker 2: But you, Randy, everybody. I didn't know Chris Carter had hops like that. First play to get it, he leaned from the dot, and I was like, where am I? NFL season is here.
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Speaker 1: You remember.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I got cut right before the season. What's that feeling like before game one?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was nerve-wracking for me, like my first few years, because I always felt like I got to prove myself and I wanted to make the team. I didn't want to make any mistakes. So it's a lot of anxiety, especially if you're like a first rounder, second rounder, you're pretty much solidified. You know what I mean? You know you're going to be there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's still a little hungry dude right there waiting for you to mess up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they put a lot of money into it, for example, Cleveland Browns, what they're doing with Deshaun Watson, you know Shador Sanders, he can really play. Right. But because of the money invested in Deshaun, they're not going to just let him walk out the door. Yeah. For me, it was just me wanting to make my, honestly, my family proud because I knew that we were going to be on TV. Right. Especially my early years, my first two or three years. You know, I wanted to prove myself and then I just wanted to, I didn't want to mess up. You know what I mean? Because, bro, I had Jerry Rice, you know what I mean, to follow. Right. J.J. Stokes. So I was in the wings of both of these guys and honestly, I just wanted to contribute. Do well personally, you know what I mean? You have your personal stats and then you have your team goal, your team stats and things of that nature that you want to accomplish. But yeah, I mean, there's always, I mean, if you play this game, you're going to have some nerves, you're going to have some anxiety and then you hear it all the time. Once that first hit or the whistle blows or, you know, basketball player wants the ball tossed up, like, you're ready to go. He's ready to go. Okay. I know we've talked about Josh Allen kind of being overrated, but he's still a great talent, great quarterback. You know, it's so funny.
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Speaker 2: I had that same feeling about Josh Allen, and I'm kind of rooting for him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, the city of Buffalo is rooting for him, and I have been too. Last year, especially when the Kansas City Chiefs weren't in the playoffs, And they've been knocking at the door like the last two to three years, and Kansas City has been knocking them out of the playoffs. I honestly felt like those years, especially last year, was their year. And, again, the inconsistency and then just the untimely bad plays that Josh Allen, you know, come up with is just, I mean, just wasn't the right time to play bad. And I get, I can't imagine what that's like, especially when you got the whole city of Buffalo riding on your shoulders, the team, you knowing that your Achilles heels that's been knocking you out, they're not in your way. So... It's really deceiving.
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Speaker 2: Wait, you're saying they're not in their way? Or you're saying they're back now?
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Speaker 1: No, there's a notice. Like I said, when they were playing last year.
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Speaker 2: And they weren't there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Chiefs weren't in their way. Well, now they're back. It seemed like a clear path to the Super Bowl. Like, yo, everybody, I mean, the team has been beating us every year. We couldn't get past them. They're no longer in our way. It's like, okay, all we got to do is just win. But in order to win, you got to be mistake-free. You can't have turnovers, and those are the things that happen, especially as a quarterback. Sure, there are throws that he wished he could take back, but in that moment, you can't make those throws. If you see something there, it's not that you can't force it. Throw the ball away, lift to play another down.
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Speaker 2: What quarterback would you think is the best at taking that gamble and coming through?
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Speaker 1: Brett Favre, like a Brett Favre. Patrick Mahomes, like throws that, an average quarterback they wouldn't take, they wouldn't do, because they know they're like, oh, number one, they probably think it's going to be a pick, and if they do it, it's going to be detrimental to the progress of getting to the end zone. Those are plays, again, you just got to be super-duper confident. If you're iffy, that's when things happen. But if you're just a gambler, you're a gunslinger, those are guys like Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Your Brett Favre, like they did that. Aaron Rodgers, you mentioned him. How old is Aaron now? Jesus Christ. Because Aaron was playing when I was nine. How old is Aaron Rodgers? How old is Aaron Rodgers? 42. You crazy, you crazy. That's pretty old for a quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of these quarterbacks, quarterbacks probably last the longest.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, what makes him probably seem old is, number one, he's coming off that Achilles. Right. And he hasn't really played up to the standards as he did in Green Bay. But the dude can really play. And I think if you think about what two years ago, the first play of the game, he tears his Achilles. Like there was like there was so much belief and hype in that season. And then obviously it went straight down the drain. And then obviously you coming back and then there was rumors him coming back that that season. Yeah, that was crazy, bro. You talk about. something heroic and like barbaric and that's like some shit you would do right that that would trust me if he would have done that bro it would have eclipsed anything that that i did attempted to do now you have the the re uh emergence resurgence of of a coach that he had um in green bay mike mccarthy um that's gonna be i think for somebody when you have somebody that of of familiarity. Right. That's going to make you want to play well. Right. You're comfortable with the plays. There's not a lot of decision, you know, decision makings that you have to do learning a new offense. Because y'all know each other. Yeah. It's going to make things that much better. And then obviously you're going on, they're playing the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, Tua, I mean, I don't know how he's going to hold up the rest of the year. I am hoping and I'm praying that he doesn't have any concussions. But I just, I just don't really think he's going to make it throughout the course of the season.
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Speaker 2: Tua?
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Speaker 1: Tua.
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Speaker 2: Well, if he does, you know, he'll text himself and say, great job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. Did you see that? Yeah, I saw that, man. That's crazy.
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Speaker 2: Some of you don't know, Tua.
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Speaker 1: Burner account, right? He had a.
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Speaker 2: Phone that said something, and then he used his, he thought he was congratulating himself on a burner phone, but he congratulated himself.
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Speaker 1: From his real account. So I was like, good job, Tua. Love, Tua. Yo, I mean, that may be part of the CTE. It could be part of the reason why, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about CTE in a minute.
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Speaker 1: Let's finish getting your picks. I ain't going to tell you, but that could be factoring into some of that. I don't know. I'm really honest, and I know him personally. I worked out with Tua when he was at Alabama. I worked out when he was a true freshman. Went down there, worked out with him, Calvin Ridley, Cam Sims, all those guys. They were like, yo, this guy's going to... He could be starting right now as a true freshman. I'm like, what? This is when Jalen Hurts was starting quarterback. And I was like, yo, no way. They couldn't find Jalen. Worked out with the dude like he was making every throw on the December. What? Very cerebral guy. But to see... What he's gone through the last two to three years, it's scary. Geno Smith, he's on his last leg. He's been on a few teams in the last few years. I think last time they were the Los Angeles Raiders, didn't really play particularly well. It almost seems like he had checked out in a sense, and then this offseason had some issues, almost some domestic violence issues surrounding him.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think he keeps getting so many opportunities?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Quarterbacks, bro, they probably get the most opportunities It's almost like they get nine lives. You know what I mean? Look at Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, left, came back, coached high school, won a championship, came back. Then you got Phillip Rivers, who came from the dead. He came back from the dead. He was wrapped in mummy gear. And he came back and played, which was very remarkable, which I already told people, like, it doesn't matter. If you can play the game, number one, given the opportunity, you can roll. Just like me. I just haven't. I wasn't given the opportunity that some of these guys are being given. But yeah, I mean, yeah.
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Speaker 2: We kind of touched on the concussions situation with Tua.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And just recently, Drewski, who is like probably the hottest comedian on the planet right now with some of these infamous sketches, the things we do with the preacher.
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Speaker 1: You call him comedian, content creator. He's not a standup comedian, but he's still a comedian. Yeah. No? So, I mean, I can be a comedian. You are a comedian. That's why I chose you for this show. Okay, well, appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Okay. He's in a lot of controversy. The thing he did with the preacher, the thing he did with the NASCAR guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing he did with Erica Kirk. Erica Kirk, yeah. Right, and now.
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Speaker 2: He's getting a lot of.
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Speaker 1: With the little football parody or the skit. The CTE thing. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: For those who don't know, Drewski did a sketch about a football player getting CTE and kind of made humorous, but not funny to everybody, especially former DB, TJ Ward, who was like, you know, it's so funny. CTE is the only disease that people make fun of. Now, when he said that, I was like, is it a disease?
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Speaker 1: Or is it an ailment? It's not a disease, right? But nonetheless, I understand where he was coming from. However you categorize it.
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Speaker 2: Is it something to be made light of?
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Speaker 1: No. I mean, personally, no. And I could see where people are on the fence about the sketches or just what he was making fun of. Like I said, would you make fun of somebody got brain cancer or women that have breast cancer? Me personally, I wouldn't. I mean, I think it's just such a sensitive topic now, especially with a lot of athletes now that are committing suicide, people are dying. Have you ever had a concussion? Yeah, I've had a couple, not many. What does it feel like?
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Speaker 2: Besides, like, the obvious to us is, like.
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Speaker 1: You just don't remember. Like, one minute you are, everything is live. You have all your faculties about you. Then you get your bell rung a little bit. You don't remember nothing. Like, you can't remember, like, what I just said. I couldn't remember what I just said, like, 30 seconds ago. Like, yeah, you just don't know anything. That's why they have the doctors come over. They have a series of questions to try to, you know, see where you are with your faculties or what have you. Like, what quarter are you in? What was the last play that was called? Do you remember what route you ran? All those things to try to figure out, okay, are you, do you still have your wits about you? But yeah, it's nothing. It's a little bit scary. I remember one game I was in St. Louis Rams. I ran a curl route and it was just a regular curl route. Caught the ball, got hit. And bro, I was like, something went wrong. I was like, yo, I blacked out for a second. Like I didn't see anything. It was black for like about three seconds. And then I came to, and I'm like, what, what had just happened? I went and I saw my team. So I just went back to the huddle, just natural, normal stuff. And I'm in the huddle and I'm looking at all my teammates and I'm hearing the quarterback call to play. And I'm looking at him and I knew we got to go out of the huddle. And I'm like, yo, what do I got? I'm in my, I'm in my mind. I'm like, what do I have? And I'm talking to, and I'm like, I'm running up to the huddle. And I'm like, yo, what's the play? What do I got? What route do I run? What route do I run? I had no idea what I was supposed to run. When the quarterback was talking, could you hear him? Yeah, I heard him. I heard everything. And I'm trying to decipher like what he's saying. I hear him, but I didn't know what I had. I heard the play. And then I got to the line. I'm like, as I'm going to the line of scrimmage, I'm like, yo, what do I got? What do I got? And he didn't hear me, so literally when the ball snapped, bro, I just ran over the ball. He threw it to me and I caught it again. I caught it and I got the yardage on, didn't know what I was doing. I just ran over the ball, caught the ball, got a few more yards. And they knew something was wrong.
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Speaker 2: But you knew something was wrong, but you didn't know it was a concussion at the time, right?
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Speaker 1: I didn't really, I don't even know if I thought about it. I just knew that I went back to the huddle I'm looking at everybody in the huddle. It was like I'm watching the move and everything was like, you know, the close up, you know, this shot, this is your shot. And I could see myself looking at everybody and I'm hearing the play called. I just ran over the ball. He threw it to me. It was the wrong route, but they knew something was wrong. That's when they brought me to the sideline. They took my helmet. They take you through the concussion protocol. Um, like I said, with the doctors, they're asking you all these questions and then clearly I was just out of sorts for a second. And then by the time I got to the sideline, like my bearings had come, come back to me. And, um, but yeah, it's, I don't, I just don't honestly, I just don't honestly think that it's something to, to make light of. And I think Drewski, yeah, my feelings about Drewski. Yeah. He's, he's fun. Everybody got a little humor to him, whatever, but some shit is just too far for me. Right. I feel, I echo the same sentiments as TJ Ward. I don't know him personally. But we share the same sentiments when I just don't think this is, just think about DeMar Hamlin. He got hit. He nearly died on the football field. Those are the sensitivities I think where people are coming from. And then, too, like the NFL as a whole, like we don't have lifetime health insurance like these other entities, other sports. Or guaranteed contracts, right? Right. And these are the things I think this is where a lot of players are probably coming from. It's like, yo, we're already suffering as it is from a physical standpoint. Then from a mental standpoint, while you're playing and post football, we go through so much, bro. Even my body has gone through it. There are ailments that people just don't know we go through in our homes. Like, bro, I've had to go to the doctor for little things. I don't say it. I don't show it. People are like, oh, bro, you can play tomorrow. Like, yeah, I probably could. But my body has taken... It has taken its toll, bro. I've got taken a beating. And a lot of guys that hit every day, practice, linemen hit every play. Defensive linemen often– Helmet to helmet. They hit every play. And he's a big guy, so he's making fun. And then Tua, to do that right there, that's scary. That's a scary moment. I know people have personal experiences with it, They have friends, they have family members that have gone through something as serious as that could almost lose their lives. So I think sometimes like the sketches and the parodies, I think it just goes too far. But you being a comedian, I mean, we've touched on a few comics or whatever that have said some insensitive things. Where does the line stop with you? Like where is the line? Do you feel like a line has to be drawn? Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I mean... We live in a different time. There were some things that Pryor and Eddie and comedians of the past got away with saying, but some of that stuff you can't get away with now. The whole controversy during the Kevin Hart roast with the George Floyd joke.
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Speaker 1: Comedians are different. We have a thicker skin.
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Speaker 2: I think Kevin got a lot of flack for not sticking up for the George Floyd family when the joke happened.
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Speaker 1: Right, especially when he was there. Right. He was in support of George Floyd, but didn't turn around.
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Speaker 2: But then in Kevin's defense, or the way Kevin defended himself, a lot of stuff he did wrong, like I thought the way he handled it on The Breakfast Club. But one thing he did say that I agree with is like, they're talking about my dead mother, my dead father.
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Speaker 1: But that's no excuse. That's almost like... That's an excuse. I'm just saying... I know it's the justification, but like I said, that's almost an excuse. Like we're calling a white person a racist and then like, oh, well, I have black friends. That's what that is. Not necessarily.
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Speaker 2: In a sense. I think just what Kevin was saying is he views comedy differently.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Just like white people see it differently when we call them racist.
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Speaker 2: Well, just like I might, though I didn't, I might find a CTE joke funny, but I'm not somebody who's been offended. by CTE or had friends you know what I mean just like somebody might do a gay joke and I might be offended because my brother's gay no my brother ain't gay but I'm just saying there's certain things when it's familiar that makes you feel a certain way you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Tell me is it is it any different than comedians making fun of people with disabilities.
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Speaker 2: So funny you said that because I do a joke right now about a person who has a disability, right? And I stopped doing it until a person with a disability called me a bitch for not doing the joke anymore. Basically was the spokesman for the people with disabilities. I was like, you don't think we can take it? And I was like, no, my friends told me, no, fuck that, all right?
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Speaker 1: We can take it.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, because he was really going, I'm not normal?
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Speaker 1: You don't think I'm normal?
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Speaker 2: So it's tricky.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Just like some white boys can say the N-word around some of their black friends.
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Speaker 1: And they get a pass?
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Speaker 2: They get a pass with them, but nigga, you can't say it around me.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: So when it's familial, it's different.
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Speaker 1: When is it acceptable? Just like Kev on stage, right? Good friend of ours. There's some stuff he does in the clubs he can't do in the church. You know what I mean? Right, right. it's knowing where you are at all times. And I think, yeah, I think as a comedian, kind of like, I guess you got to pick and choose, you know what I mean? And then understanding what you're doing, there's going to be some backlash to it. And I think once he probably starts seeing opportunities slow down or people start canceling him, then maybe that will deter him from doing some of those kind of like sensitive. But who's been canceled?
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Speaker 2: Who's been canceled?
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Speaker 1: They use the word cancel.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. I mean, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anybody who's been canceled. I mean, so many people I've heard has been canceled. They're making more money now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Target took a hit. We canceled.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, definitely.
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Speaker 1: They took a hit for a minute, especially for Halloween. Thanks, Viola. But.
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Speaker 2: Comedian-wise, you know, you've heard Dave got canceled and Tracy Morgan's getting canceled.
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Speaker 1: People say that, but they don't follow through with it. It's funny when you get them in front of a microphone or behind a microphone or they're behind their phones or their keys. Yeah, they say a lot of stuff, but then they don't follow through with it. It's like an impulse thing. It's like in the moment.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them don't believe what they say, but it's easy to be behind the microphone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, too, I think if people jumped on the train and, like, people just really... backed up what they said, they walk the walk and talk the talk, then I think there will be some movement, but it's all talk. The wait is over. Football is here and so is DraftKings. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida, Every fan is in on the excitement. And this September, DraftKings is giving customers the opportunity to get boosted every football game day. That's right. Every game day, all month long, DraftKings customers can get a football profit boost. All right, it's.
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Speaker 1: Teammates, yeah. Shador. Colorado Buffs, Buffaloes. And Travis Hunter. Yep. Obviously, even with Deshaun Watson being the starter, I think he knows. If you don't know, it's a lot of pressure on him. Sure. He got to go out and deliver. He got to play well. I don't know how long that's going to last. I don't know how many games they're going to give him to prove himself. He can't– He can't go 0-1, but this week may not look so good for him. He's going against the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence, Travis Hunter. Those guys were balling toward the end of the season. They made the playoffs. I mean, honestly, I think if Travis would have been playing in the playoffs, like they would have gone further. Now Travis is 100% healthy. Man, trust me, I'm going Jaguars in this one all day.
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00:26:44
Speaker 3: Void in Canada. Bet with DraftKings Sportsbook to get bonus bets that expire in seven days. Or trade with DraftKings Predictions to get Predictions dollars that expire in one year. Event contract trading involves risk of loss. Predictions offer... A lot of people, you know, they talk a lot of shit online and then nothing happens. Unless you're Ray J and Orlando Brown, bro.
00:27:24
Speaker 1: What is Ray J doing?
00:27:25
Speaker 2: Ray J has become famous again. For all the wrong reasons, by the way. It's like Brandy is now Ray J's sister. What?
00:27:36
Speaker 1: Yo, Ray J, he has found a new- It's almost like he's chasing a check or something, bro.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: What's going on? I mean, that whole little Twitch generation- Because it doesn't make any sense. To us- Well, maybe he has CTE, especially after that hit from Super Hot Fire.
00:27:55
Speaker 1: What kind of name is that? Super Hot Fire. That's a girl? No, that's a guy. Named Super Hot Fire?
00:28:01
Speaker 2: Social media guy. He actually can fight. I saw him have another fight. He ain't shaped like a boxer.
00:28:08
Speaker 1: He got some skills. He got some experience. He got some fucking skills. He put those hands on Ray J. The funniest part about when he hit Ray J, Ray J was like, you do something instead of it's like you're fucking up the money what are you doing we had a plan right but I mean this behavior is really bizarre for me I mean I've been around Ray J I've been around I know his sister like Raycon electronics all the things that he's doing in the tech field like bro and then obviously music musically inclined like I just thought he was on a path of really being entrepreneurial, owning your own business, really being an example to the black community. Bro, it's just like.
00:28:52
Speaker 2: I think he's having fun.
00:28:53
Speaker 1: Bro, fun? Yes.
00:28:55
Speaker 2: Did you see the Orlando Brown fight?
00:28:56
Speaker 1: Bro, and then to see how out of shape he's gotten.
00:29:00
Speaker 2: Right. Well, he's an older man.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: Bro, he got a.
00:29:02
Speaker 2: We all can't be like this for the rest of our lives, okay?
00:29:05
Speaker 1: He's got a booty do. You got a booty do? Your stomach's picked this time. Your stomach stick out farther than your booty do? Bro, he got a stomach, bro. It's crazy. Like, bro, it's... I know everybody's not me, but I just can't walk around. That's part of his image, his likeness, what he does. Being a musician, being in shape, things of that nature to promote your brand. Well, he got in shape for his last fight, the one against Orlando Brown.
00:29:35
Speaker 2: How? Bro, he looked the same. I guess maybe because we kept looking at Orlando Brown. and you keep saying that there's no entrepreneurship with these guys orlando brown i don't know if you guys know this.
00:29:46
Speaker 1: I don't really know a new line of bras coming out not a new line of what brassieres did you see did you say bra bro they both had titties and stomachs like bro they look They both have BMW bodies. What's that stand for? Body made wrong. Bro, they look awful.
00:30:07
Speaker 2: I think they announced the fight an hour before the fight.
00:30:10
Speaker 1: Back to my point.
00:30:11
Speaker 2: They didn't have enough time to get in shape.
00:30:13
Speaker 1: But back to my point, bro. Do you think it's just theatrics with Ray J? Is he chasing money, checks?
00:30:21
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's getting big checks.
00:30:23
Speaker 1: Bro, how much are they getting? Because if they get money like that, I'm about to get in the ring with somebody. Yeah, who you want to fight? There's a couple people. I just leave. I mean, if the money right, I'm signing up. Okay.
00:30:36
Speaker 2: Anybody who wants to fight T.O. for $ 2 million, DM us.
00:30:41
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. At GTTP. Some I'll knock out for an extra two. No, no.
00:30:45
Speaker 2: We got to act like you can't be knocking them out.
00:30:47
Speaker 1: No, I'm knocking people out. Because we got to get two and three fights out. I'm the dog. You my promoter?
00:30:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't going to be knocking motherfuckers out the first fight. You need to make the first fight close.
00:30:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if I knock somebody, ain't nobody going to want to fight me. Ain't nobody going to want to fight you. You're fucking up my money.
00:31:01
Speaker 2: Just like Ray J's told Super Hot 5, you're fucking up the money. Right.
00:31:05
Speaker 1: That was crazy, right? So that, I mean, he just kind of just throwing salt in the game, just letting people know like... No, this shit is fixed. Yeah, like it's rigged.
00:31:12
Speaker 2: You remember back in the day when people talked trash, something usually happened after. Now these people get to hide. You could talk shit to somebody from Fort Wayne, Indiana, and then there's a guy... in San Diego and they'll never meet. But when we talk trash, there wasn't that long this is trash.
00:31:29
Speaker 1: We talking trash right here. I gotta see you.
00:31:31
Speaker 2: I gotta see you.
00:31:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: I know who to talk trash to too. And I know who not to talk trash to. Not to talk trash to. I was just talking to tell them a story to, you know, we live in the suburbs. So I'm not sure if my kids can fight, right? Because they talk trash and then that's it, right?
00:31:47
Speaker 1: Right. But when you grow up in the hood, you know who can fight and who can't fight by fights, right? Right.
00:31:53
Speaker 2: I knew I could fight by the fights I had, but I was strategic with my fights.
00:31:57
Speaker 1: Right, you know who you're not going to pick a fight with.
00:31:59
Speaker 2: I wouldn't fight that motherfucker, but I'll fight that motherfucker.
00:32:01
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Did you have many fights growing up? Yeah, I got beat up a lot when I was a tattletale. Yeah, I was telling on people. T.O. was a snitch? Yeah. I mean, yeah, we didn't call it snitch back then, but I know what I know.
00:32:16
Speaker 2: Are you talking elementary school, junior high school?
00:32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, junior high, like, yeah, junior high, you know. Not really high school.
00:32:22
Speaker 2: I'm talking about when you had some size on you, high school.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: No, I didn't really have no size until I got out of, like, college, really. How much did you weigh in high school? 180, 85 pounds. That's some size for a high school receiver. No, I was 6'1. That's skinny, skinny and scrawny. Right. When I left high school, I was about 180, 185. So just think, like, my freshman, I was like 170, 170. Like, I was, bro, tiny.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: And you were getting beat up then? I love the honesty, because usually people lie. I was knocking motherfuckers out in high school.
00:32:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't like you just telling me I got beat up. You said it. I know, but... Yeah, I mean, I got beat up, man, because, yeah, and then that's what, honestly, that's what motivated me to get in the weight room. Right. I started taking whoopings and then, you know, I keep talking about my grandma, but she wasn't having that. Right. She wasn't having that. You coming in the house talking about somebody beat you up, you're going to go out there and you're going to fight them again. Right. Fight me or fight them. If you get your butt whooping, you're going to get another butt whooping when you get in the house. So it got to the point of like I got tired of getting butt whoopings, two butt whoopings. So it was just like, man, I got to do something. So I started lifting weights. Honestly, yeah. So that helped me twofold. That lifting weights, I started to figure out that it helped me twofold. Number one, with football kind of helped me, you know, develop into my football body. I needed strength and stuff. But then it gave me a lot of confidence too because I started to see the muscles here and there. So that gave me a lot of confidence to really stand up for myself. And then, too, at the same time, like, I wasn't finna go back in the house. And, like, if I got in a fight, I wasn't telling my grandma because, you know, what happened? If you got your butt, you're going to get another butt whooping.
00:34:10
Speaker 2: Have you hit somebody with this strength?
00:34:12
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You hear about the thing, the fight, the man that happened when I was in Philly with Hugh Douglas? You fought Big Hugh? Oh, got at him. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a story that before... Social media, where it is now? Before social media, well, where it is? Man, it traveled across the league like we had social media, like we had.
00:34:37
Speaker 2: That motherfucker weighed about 260, 270.
00:34:38
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. I was to the point, like, I was a big receiver then. Right. And all I remember is my grandma would tell me, don't let nobody run over you. I almost blacked out for a second. We got at it, but I mean. We've talked about it. We're friends now. That's great. And then he has his version of the story. I have my version of the story. And then there's people with their version that saw what happened. What do these people think? I held my own. I held my own. And like I said, me and Hugh, we've talked about it. We're friends now. It's water under the bridge. But you talked about now, have I hit somebody? I'm scared to know what I would do. with these hands if I was in a boxing ring, to be quite honest. I have so much probably like... You're fucking up the money. Yeah, I have so much probably... You.
00:35:26
Speaker 2: Think you can fight.
00:35:27
Speaker 1: We're going to find somebody. No, I mean, like I said, I'm not a punk by any means. I'm not going to go out provoking or looking for fights or anything of that nature. I'm going to protect me. I'm going to protect the people that I love, especially my kids. Anything, you know, family, it's a trigger. You know what I mean? But yeah, like I said, I'm a person that's going to protect myself And I'm going to stick up for myself. I'm going to stand on business. So, yeah, I don't. Go around. Looking for fights? Looking for fights. No. They aren't licensed. They aren't licensed. You know what I mean? But, I mean, like I said, if somebody wants some smoke, you know what I mean, they'll get it. If I have to, I will. I slang these things. All right.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: Well, if there's anybody out there that wants some of my fighter, as you can see, you could be up to 270 pounds. Anybody from high school, junior.
00:36:16
Speaker 1: High, Donovan McNabb. Tony Romo. People ask me about this, like, would you fight Donovan Bennett? Absolutely. Would I fight Romo? Absolutely. I would go in there with so much rage, bro, they wouldn't stand a chance. And I'm telling them right now, wouldn't stand a chance. All right. Would not stand a chance.
00:36:36
Speaker 2: You can either hit me at TheRealChrisPencer or you can hit us at GTTP.
00:36:39
Speaker 1: P.O.D. I like how I just become a fighter all of a sudden. We're promoting fighting. Stop hitting your hands. You're going to mess them up. Man, we're supposed to be promoting positivity. Yes. All right. Well, speaking of positivity. Yeah.
00:36:51
Speaker 2: They finally are about to put away the murder of Tupac.
00:36:58
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: This long- Awaited. Case from a dude who said he did it 20 years ago. But that's never here again.
00:37:05
Speaker 1: Did he say? Ben said he did it. For real? For real. He didn't pull the trigger, but he was the orchestrator of the event. He's an accomplice. Sort of like an accomplice. Yeah. Not sort of. He's an accomplice to the group. Yeah, he orchestrated. He's like hired. He gone. But what's so crazy about that is that it's been 30 years that I'm pretty sure, do you think he's, had some anxiety or looking over his shoulder or just knowing at some point, I think it would come to this.
00:37:38
Speaker 2: He probably was tired of looking over his shoulders.
00:37:39
Speaker 1: Like, listen, I do. I need to go to jail. I need to go to prison for this. Well, he lived 30 extra years with free. Yeah. I think it's just, it's unfortunate what happened. I mean, do you remember where you were when you heard Tupac? I was with the Niners, um, in the Bay area. That's when I had honestly start, obviously in college, you know, dear mama, Tupac, like, all the music, and then when I got to the Bay Area, I used to go to like Fremont, San Angelo, Hayward, all those areas, and I used to go get my hair cut in Fremont from a barber who obviously they knew Tupac personally. When it happened, I was like, I think it had happened and I went to go get my hair cut. So that's when I started hearing all the barbershop talk and people in the Bay Area that knew him personally. And I'm like, man, that was like my first year like being in california so i'm starting to know like all the bay area like hip-hop rapper stars like young uh little mug mugsy and e40 too short right i was starting to know i'm like yo i'm right in their backyard coming from alabama and then obviously tennessee and i'm like yo i'm like right here in like california you know i mean i'm like this is like the land of stars you know i mean so yeah just yeah i yeah i was i was my rookie year i remember when it happened and Obviously, it was like a dark cloud over the Bay Area because he was big in the Bay. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, I got the call.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: Like that night, a friend of mine who was in that camp was giving me like, for lack of a better word, play-by-play.
00:39:09
Speaker 1: Play-by-play.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: And I was like, she was in the car with him.
00:39:14
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
00:39:15
Speaker 2: She was telling me stuff that we found out later. And it just seemed like a nightmare. I don't even want to call it a dream.
00:39:23
Speaker 1: Right. And then obviously then people started speculating, like it was a setup, you know what I mean? They were saying like, I think Suge said.
00:39:28
Speaker 2: I'm like, how you set him up in the car?
00:39:30
Speaker 1: Right. Risk and not, like he could have been killed too. So yeah. So if there was like two people I wish I could have met, Tupac would have been one of them. And Michael, obviously Michael Jackson. Oh yeah. I wish I would have gotten the chance to meet those two. I got a chance to meet both of them. Really? Yes.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: The big celebrity death that I was close to was when Biggie died. So, you remember it was at the Peterson Museum.
00:39:55
Speaker 1: Biggie is another one. I don't know nothing about the Peterson Museum. Oh, down L.A. Fairfax and Wilshire. Yes. I thought it was my party.
00:40:05
Speaker 2: So this was a Vibe magazine party. And they told me it was my party. I used to host a late night talk show. Google me, but there's only like two pages. I had a late night talk show in 97, and they said this party was for me, and I remember earlier that day, I saw Diddy, I saw Biggie, I saw Lil' C's, they were all standing at the W Hotel in Westwood. So we were talking, blah, blah, blah. All right, we'll see y'all later. I said, yeah, I'll see y'all at my party. And so Peterson Museum happens. I get to the party and I noticed that there's pictures of everybody, Faith and maybe Carl Thomas and Foxy Brown and Lil' Kim.
00:40:44
Speaker 1: And I'm like, where my picture at? There's no pictures of me.
00:40:48
Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe this... Ain't my party, right? So I was kind of sad that day.
00:40:53
Speaker 1: How did you think that was your party?
00:40:54
Speaker 2: They said it was the coming out party for Vibe magazine TV show.
00:40:59
Speaker 1: I was the host of Vibe. You don't remember?
00:41:03
Speaker 2: You don't remember those 11 weeks I was famous?
00:41:05
Speaker 1: Man, that's crazy. You just told me that's your whole party.
00:41:08
Speaker 2: It was my party, I thought. And so we left. I was sad. I was in the parking lot. Two of my friends. We saw Biggie and them leave. And then we just heard Melee. Biggie just got shot. Biggie just, I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:41:19
Speaker 1: We just saw him walk.
00:41:20
Speaker 2: We just saw him get in the car, whatever, five minutes ago. Crazy.
00:41:25
Speaker 1: That's when he got shot. Right then. Fairfax and Wilshire. Wow.
00:41:29
Speaker 2: At the Peterson Museum at my party. What do you think about Messi retiring?
00:41:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know he was getting ready to retire. I mean, so as a player that has played a long time and then you kind of know if you're pushing the envelope or not trying to play more years than your body's really ready to. He didn't really seem like he was slowing down. It's just like Cristiano Ronaldo. I mean, he was kind of like, and David Beckham, they were like at the height of their career, messi's been playing at a high level like right even now like for him to retire like he was like at the top like the face of soccer like he was one at all in fifa right like he was doing his thing so um what did you know i did i didn't know because i was still playing at a high level it was it was things outside of my my physical abilities that prevented me from playing you know i mean it was more political stuff because even when i my last two years they weren't looking for me to even really contribute. And I outplayed both starting receivers the last two teams that I played for. Ocho? Ocho Cinco and Boy Chad in Cincinnati and Lee Evans in Buffalo. And then management had the nerve to tell me from the beginning before I even signed him, like, well, we can't guarantee him a starting spot. Where is this coming from? I wasn't worried about that. I was always competing and, again... Earning your spot. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? But it was more... politics more things political that prevented me from really going out on my own terms but I think I applaud you know Messi for being able to be aware self-aware and like I said he knows like as an athlete you know your body better than anybody and obviously I'm pretty sure he did a lot of recovery even with LeBron he knows his body better than anybody and I know these last four or five years with LeBron maybe the last two or three his body has taken a toll you've seen it he's not the high-flying guy he still can dunk whatever He can do all those things. But it's a lot of wear and tear that goes on when you so many games, traveling, all those things. But LeBron has been able to do it at an exceptional level because he's able to really hone in and know what he needs to take care of his body to be able to perform at the level that people want him to. So Messi, I mean, kudos to him. Hell of a career, obviously. He's one of the top soccer guys that I know. Obviously, talk about backing at Pele. Some of those guys like that and then obviously David Beckham who came over he would kind of like really kind of introduced the states You know to to soccer when Beckham came over and played man. It was it was it was awesome So and then Cristiano Ronaldo Those guys I mean obviously they took care of themselves But then at some point like said they said father time is is gonna come knock at your door.
00:44:22
Speaker 2: I know me as a former athlete how I felt the things I miss as a professional.
00:44:27
Speaker 1: Athlete, but I I don't know why you always laugh.
00:44:31
Speaker 2: Can you Google my stats, please?
00:44:34
Speaker 1: Man, you sound like Skip Bayless. One point something average.
00:44:40
Speaker 2: That five minutes of fame was great. What do you miss most? Is it lining up? Is it putting the cleats on? Is it camaraderie with the guys?
00:44:50
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time. I miss the competition. I'm a competitor. I'm like I'm like Kobe, MJ in a sense. That's how my mind was. My teammates, they'll tell you. Like, man, I was miked up a lot of games. You know what I mean? I was ready for the game. Once I realized my skill set and my talent and I knew what I could do and I knew that I was unstoppable. You know what I mean? That's how much I believed in myself. And then, like, yeah, just to be around the guys. What I wish I would have done is had more fun with the game.
00:45:25
Speaker 2: Because you were too serious.
00:45:26
Speaker 1: Yep. I wish I would have like interacted and like what people see now in the podcast and stuff like that.
00:45:34
Speaker 2: He smiles.
00:45:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've always been that. He's charming. He's funny. I know.
00:45:38
Speaker 2: They didn't get to see that side of you.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: No, but. Listen, off the field.
00:45:44
Speaker 2: When we embark on this boxing career, I need you to be.
00:45:47
Speaker 1: Motherfucking Muhammad Ali. Oh, you got to do a tell me what the channel.
00:45:51
Speaker 2: Was the mic on still?
00:45:53
Speaker 1: You got to do a tell me what the channel. I'm there. But yeah, but that's how it was. I was like, bro, I just and I didn't I didn't have a chip on my shoulder because I came from a small school. I just knew that. my coaches, they saw something in me that I didn't see in myself. And then once I tapped into it and I started to see really the fruits of my labor, like training in the off season, like seeing what it did to my, my, the, the preparation. And then I started to see the, the optimization of my performances. Like I was hooked. It was like, I was hooked on crack. Once I saw what I did in off season. And then I saw the benefits of it. I'm like, yo, I didn't have no time for no playing no game. I'm like, yo, this is serious. I saw what Jerry is, who he is, what it can do, what it can do for you. I'm like, I want to do that for my family. Did you have friends in the NFL? Yeah. It's a lot of us. We talk now. That's good. And that's what people don't know about me. They don't think that because I was so serious. And again, I'm still going to be me. I'm a no-nonsense guy. I'm going to stand on my business. And I know how the world operates. And I started to see how people looked at athletes in general. And then I saw how White America looked at us as black athletes. And I heard these things growing up with my grandmama. And I didn't really compartmentalize, I didn't really think about it as I grew up. But then once I got into the space, I'm a grown adult, and I started to see some of these things unfold. I'm like, yo, this is what she was talking about.
00:47:21
Speaker 2: It wasn't happening to you, it was happening to her.
00:47:24
Speaker 1: Right. And you were just printed to the stories then. Yeah, now things are starting to happen to me. maybe something indirectly. We talk about systemic racism. All those things were starting to happen to me, how people looked at me, how they talked about me. I wasn't even really doing anything wrong. But it was because I was a black man. I seemed proud, like too confident for a lot of people. And I wasn't coming, I wasn't consciously thinking that way. That's just who I was and how I was raised. Like all of the people, all the highlights and the clips that people see and people think that I talk trash, those are just sideline highlights. You never saw me do any of that during... During the course of the game, it was always with sound bites when I was on the sidelines because I knew where the cameras was. I knew what they were wanting. And then, like I said, I became an entertainer in a sense.
00:48:12
Speaker 2: Speaking of entertainment, I know you watch a lot of TV.
00:48:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love movies. My favorite movie, before you even ask me, my favorite movie for all the ladies.
00:48:21
Speaker 2: Don't be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice.
00:48:24
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. But my favorite movie is The Notebook. It touches on Alzheimer's. My grandmother passed from that, so that's why I love it. And then obviously there's some romantic scenes that I love. Great movie. Rachel McAdams, Ryan Gosling, those two. I love those scenes. James Carter. Let me ask you a question.
00:48:41
Speaker 2: Is that one of those movies, if you're getting ready to leave the house and it's on, you'll watch it from anywhere it is?
00:48:47
Speaker 1: Bro, let me tell you what I did. I was in Georgia, watched it at a theater. I went with somebody and I cried in the movie. My tear duct on my left side, it's more loose than my right. So I started crying and tears were going down on my left side. They didn't see it. But I was so emotional watching. Why are you laughing at me, bro? Bro, you're rude. I'm telling you a heartfelt story you laughing you can't see i'm crying but anyway no i'm gonna tell a lie i was so moved and like i said it was it was emotional to me do you see why i.
00:49:31
Speaker 2: Said you could do stand-up this teardrop was Right.
00:49:35
Speaker 1: But it was so, so moving to me around that time because my grandmama had Alzheimer's. Now you just made me feel like shit. Yeah. But I'm bringing it back. But yeah, that's why I got so moved and I was so emotional about it. And then I watched it in the theater and when it came out, I remember going to Best Buy. And when it came out on DVD, I bought damn near every, like the movie meant so much to me and people that didn't watch it and go, I was like, have you seen it? They was like, no, I got it for you. I got more. I got the DVD for you. Yeah. It was like I was selling them out. I bought them, but I didn't sell them. I was giving them away. It was like I was selling them out of my trunk, but I was giving them. I'm like, yo, you haven't seen The Notebook yet? Like Ryan, Rachel McAdams, Ryan Gosling. Yeah. They was like, no. I'm like, bro, that movie is so good. I'm going to watch it. No, I got one for you. Dude, I'm telling you. What about now? What are you watching?
00:50:28
Speaker 2: What are you watching on TV now? Like my show right now is Linus.
00:50:32
Speaker 1: Show wise, that's next up because I keep hearing about it. Oh my God. I love it.
00:50:37
Speaker 2: My boy LaMonica's on there.
00:50:38
Speaker 1: Nemesis. I'm waiting on the second season of Nemesis to come out.
00:50:40
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that to be good.
00:50:42
Speaker 1: Me either. Me either. That shit was so good.
00:50:44
Speaker 2: I was like, I gave it a chance because it was on, it wasn't on Tubi, it was on Netflix.
00:50:48
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. And I was like, Holy shit. Yeah, that shit was good. It was very good.
00:50:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
00:50:52
Speaker 1: But now I watch a lot of shows, like reality shows, like Love Island, Perfect Match, Married at First Sight. You like reality TV. Love is Blind. I've been trying to get Nick Lachey and Vanessa Lachey because they're the hosts of some of these shows. I've been trying to get them. I'm like, yo, I should be on one of these shows. I need to be on one of these shows. Love is Blind. I guess they laugh me off because they live in Hawaii, right? They live in Hawaii now because they're doing a show over there. But yeah, I'm like, everybody's like, would you do a reality TV show like that? I'm like, yeah, I'm single. Why not? If that's the way I'm going to find love, shit, sign me up.
00:51:27
Speaker 2: My wife and daughter, they just finished watching The Reunion, which came on the other day.
00:51:32
Speaker 1: And Kevin Frazier, he does a lot of The Reunion shows too. Yes.
00:51:35
Speaker 2: But what's funny is, and this is how I got caught up. I'm like, turn this shit.
00:51:40
Speaker 1: Wait a second.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Don't turn.
00:51:41
Speaker 1: Wait.
00:51:42
Speaker 2: Who is that? Why are they doing this? And the last season of Love Island has become X-rated.
00:51:46
Speaker 1: They all have started.
00:51:48
Speaker 2: It's a little too much, especially as a dad of a 21-year-old and a 19-year-old. Like, I don't want to see all, like, it's too much.
00:51:55
Speaker 1: Well, okay, with age of attraction, do you think it's too much when a 57-year-old is dating a 27-year-old? Depends how mature you are. the 27-year-old. That's what age of attraction is. That's a new... Oh, that's the one with the... Yeah, you don't know how old they are. Right, you talk about no age. They're like in an area. They just meet and mingle.
00:52:17
Speaker 2: This is going to sound wrong. I get it when the man is older.
00:52:24
Speaker 1: Right? We see that more often. Right, right, right.
00:52:26
Speaker 2: But when I see the 57-year-old woman with the little 28-year-old dude.
00:52:29
Speaker 1: 27-year-old, yeah. I was like... Yeah.
00:52:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of.
00:52:33
Speaker 1: But the thing was, I saw that too. The guy was really mature for his age, the 27-year-old. He was damn near damn more mature than the 57-year-old, the 54-year-old. And she was like, she was, I felt bad for him because if you're 54, you've been married, you got older kids. She had kids just as old as he was. Yeah, I saw it. And that's what she was torn about. Is the fact that her kids were the same age as he was and she didn't want to go. I'm like, but you went through so many weeks knowing this. Right. And then all of a sudden you're going to use that as an excuse not to move forward.
00:53:07
Speaker 2: Like, you just wasted all my time. Well, he has a lot more time. She's the one that's running out of time.
00:53:13
Speaker 1: Right. But still, just for the sake of the show, like, dude, if that's not what you want to do. Don't waste anybody's time. Like, did you just want to get knocked off by a young cat? That's really what you wanted to do because that's all that really happened. A lot of people go on those shows just to get a little action. Yes.
00:53:30
Speaker 2: So I want you to watch Lioness. You're not going to believe that little Zoe Saldana can be this tough little motherfucker, but the show is so good.
00:53:40
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman. Zoe, okay, yeah. Remember her from Drumline?
00:53:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:53:44
Speaker 1: I was thinking Zendaya Zendaya people mix them up yeah when you say that that's why I'm like Zoe I met her at a theater her and her husband one time yeah with the long hair and the little porn mustache yeah I didn't yeah I was like oh I took a picture I'm like yo I'm like you know I kind of fanned out for a second right but I always see people that I watch cause she was on Avatar and stuff like that and I'm like yo, this is Zoe. Double take. Cause I'm like, I didn't expect to see her. Cause she was blue in Avatar. Right. But then when you think of like AA listers, you don't think, you know, I don't expect to see them out like in the places that I'm going. But we was at the movie theater and they was in line and I'm looking, I'm like, and I'm like, Zoe? I'm like, yo, I said, do you mind if I can, can I get a picture? Did she know who you were? I don't know. I don't know if she did or not. This has been great.
00:54:34
Speaker 2: It's always cool when we get together and we get to the point y'all.
00:54:37
Speaker 1: All right.
00:54:38
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