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You sound good.
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I am joined by Thomas.
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Well, everybody.
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Yeah, this one is, this is a weird one.
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We're gonna be discussing the next project
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and what you guys can do to go support
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Five. Four. Three. Two.
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One. Hey, all geek freaks.
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I am Frank, and I'm joined by Thomas.
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Hello, everybody.
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Thomas is a pretty familiar voice.
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You guys should definitely hear him
from other things.
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We're gonna be discussing Thomas's brand
new podcast, The Sick Burning podcast.
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Thomas, can you just give us
a quick rundown of what this podcast is?
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So for all of you out there, again,
you probably have heard me
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maybe somewhere in some Geek Freaks
podcast over the last few years.
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what really got me into podcasting was
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I got out of the hospital because,
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maybe a lot of you don't know this,
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I was pretty badly burned over somewhere
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You know, I was trying to heal.
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Got out of the hospital, Covid hit.
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let's record this. This is awesome.
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And that kind of kicked off
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And I love it
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Franken, and a bunch of other awesome
geeks out there
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and talk about things I love like Marvel,
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to mental health
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but also mentally, emotionally,
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Now with Sick Burn, you're
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like a tragedy,
some chaotic event in someone's life.
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How is how is that possible?
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To me, it seems like it's such a hard
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probably a wild story to people,
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when you're so low,
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you know, lost career and,
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identity and ways that my body worked
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in the last few years that I was able
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out of the darkest, toughest moments,
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things that present themselves to you
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that never would have because
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a paragliding accident,
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how am I going to carry on with my life?
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where was the bright spots
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just telling yourself when life felt like
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what are some of the commonalities
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seriously, like, doing podcasts like this,
being a guest on your show on Geek
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Freaks, gave me so much confidence
in the more people
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I met in podcasting, the more I was like,
maybe there's something here.
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Maybe I'm still useful.
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I'm never going to be able
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I can make it to
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you're there, you're in this dark tunnel
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and you know, you're like,
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you know, there's just no room.
I can't turn around.
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there's just this belief that
we're going to make it on the other side.
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That's something you're funny
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They all have that belief in the end.
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Yeah, it's so different.
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There's so many different things
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I think that's a really good question,
but if I could just summarize it
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briefly without thinking about it too
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It's that they do believe that there's,
there's light at the end of the tunnel.
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Okay. I got to just keep walking towards
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I'm just going to keep moving towards it.
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I think that's the thing that I'm,
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One of the things you mentioned was,
you having a fear of whether,
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you know, the self-confidence problem.
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as a personal friend of yours,
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we, you know, we reference you
when you go to conventions
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as, like, shameless
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You have this confidence about you
when you go to, approach
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somebody that I don't know.
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I know none of us have it,
and we admire it a lot in you.
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So you may have had fear before,
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Well. I talk he's that.
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I'm telling you it's there, though.
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It's definitely there.
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Right? And you, you know, I, I,
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I thought I was in good shape,
you know, I,
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I felt happy about the way I looked and
the way I was able to do things in life.
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how am I going to do this?
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interacting together, man,
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that first LA Comic-Con
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it was like, man, I got a hey, this events
coming up, should I go check this out?
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I'm like, sure.
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I was so freaked and nervous,
like so nervous.
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I around that. Being.
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I was like, I was afraid, you know, and,
but there was this moment
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where I was sitting there and I was
thinking like, what's the alternative?
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Right? But you've sat in a hospital bed.
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You sat in a hospital just locked
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I was hooked up to IVs, and I had a track,
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to go do something you love and,
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things that, you know, like Marvel movies
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and Marvel comics, like, really helped me
get back into a better mental headspace.
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Just as much as I do
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I'm so nervous, but I'm just going to go
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five minutes about the comic
you're doing or why, you know,
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this, this cosplay so awesome, you know,
do you mind if I take a picture or.
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I love this comic you created?
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Why did you create it?
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What were you thinking
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stuff, it just,
I think the the goal and the opportunity
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to talk to these people supersedes
my fear of, am I going to look stupid?
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going to say the wrong things.
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Like, we're inevitably, yeah,
I can't tell you how many wrong things.
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I've said on. Podcast over the years.
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It's just natural. We're human.
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I think it supersedes that fear.
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For me, it's just like, you got to do it.
You have one life to live.
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I truly do believe that.
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I'm hearing out of you a lot right now,
and something that I think personally
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I fear too, with a little bit
of what you're dealing with.
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Very lightly in comparison.
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I think that that would be
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one of the greatest fears
in that early stages.
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You continue to start
and thrive in podcasting.
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You have a wonderful, supportive family,
wife and group of friends.
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Do you feel like that
fear of loss of independence
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is warranted for a lot of people,
or do they have to find their
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own version of independence?
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That's an interesting question.
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So in terms of like losing
the independence, or are you talking
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more about like in the hospital
when I couldn't do things when.
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Yeah, we were sitting on that bed.
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And you're not sure if you'll be able
to do what you used to be able to do?
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Like that's
what you're talking about beforehand.
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And now finding a new way of doing things
like I, I feel from what
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I understand too, is you kind of embrace
more of your culture to afterwords.
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You found a way
to talk to these kind of creators
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when you should just be a quick reader,
that type of thing.
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I think again, you know,
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you know, what the alternative is
of not being able to do something.
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And again,
you know, I had this fear of I'm
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just not going to be able
to do anything of value in life again.
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And I know that maybe sounds ridiculous
to people, but when you're at that low,
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you know, I mean, just
my body was so messed up and, you know,
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not being able to communicate with people
like I literally couldn't speak.
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I couldn't even use my hands.
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They were all bandaged up,
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literally, like I was, you know,
strapped to a bed for months and months
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and so much of it, I think, is
probably why I talk too much now,
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because I know what it's like
to not be able to talk.
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And I think that just
there was this compulsion of
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I need to say something
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and you start looking at things again
when you're, you know,
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not like I'm a monk or anything,
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but I have heard this reference
where, you know, like
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the monks will be in the monastery
and they're looking at the wall. Right.
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And the wall
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maybe has all this scripture
carvings in it,
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and they just stare at it
for hours and hours.
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And what your mind does
while you look at it, it changes.
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It goes through all these things.
You have it.
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You contemplate every decision
you've ever made in your life
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and what you can do
and what you couldn't do and
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and how your life's going to change.
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But it while all of that is valid,
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it becomes completely different
when you are able to leave there, right?
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Right. And you're right.
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I wouldn't have been able to even leave
or have healed up as well as I did
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if it wasn't for family, friends, yeah.
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Support, you know, but I think it just
this opportunity comes along and,
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and I started just leaning
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into the things that I really loved
and I really cared about, you know, I did
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I suppressed my geek side for so long,
you know, I grew up,
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I loved all the action figures and X-Men.
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The animated series got me hooked on,
you know, comics.
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And I was a Power Rangers kid,
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and,
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all of that stuff went away
because I wanted to
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be cool in high school,
and I played football.
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Yeah. And I, like, wanted.
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A girlfriend and, you know, or in college
and all these things.
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And then my job out of college, like,
nobody was really like that.
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So I kind of just stuffed that down,
right.
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And well, you worked at ugly too,
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which I would have to say is pretty sports
brandy, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, there's a picture. Totally.
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There was like a few people who kind of.
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But you had to pick and choose
who you could talk about that stuff with.
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Right. And you and I.
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And for me, I didn't want to like,
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shout it from the rooftops
about any of this stuff. And
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again, I got out
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of the hospital and it's it's
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yeah, I think this is what saved me
truthfully, mentally, I was so broken
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and and talk about depression
and just not knowing if I wanted to.
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I mean, this is going to sound dark,
but truthfully,
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I didn't know if I wanted to be here.
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And the things that kind of
kept me in the game, along with friends
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and family support, was like,
I got to lean into things I care about.
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Yeah. And this became podcasting.
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This became
I listen, I've always loved Marvel.
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Like, I want to talk about that more.
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Or, you know,
I've always loved video games
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and I really haven't had a space
or an opportunity
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to ever really talk about this one.
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I just do that
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or comedy bringing my friends to do improv
with and like, we would just laugh.
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All of these things became
part of the healing
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and showed me that
maybe there was still a way that I could
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contribute to this world,
or I still had something to give.
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Yeah.
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And that allowed me to kind of see
maybe there is some type of independence
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there too, you know,
for people who feel like you lost it,
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I think it's just taking one little step
in a direction you care about.
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You know, we
we hold ourselves back so much,
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and the thing between our ears
can be our biggest ally.
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It can also be our biggest enemy.
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You know, we're so nervous
about how the people are going to judge us
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or what our parents are going to think,
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or what our friends are going to think,
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or what our, you know,
significant other is going to think.
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And all of that can be valid.
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But if you are stuffing down a part of you
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that you really feel strongly
about or connected to,
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or want to share with the world,
that's a tough place to be.
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Not being able to share it.
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I think again, you know, this it's sound,
this is probably heavy
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or a little crazy maybe to say, but,
you know, you you gain more of yourself.
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You get to live more freely
as you are able to express yourself more.
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And I'm not saying
that road is going to be easy.
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I'm not saying
it's going to be a walk in the park.
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You know, there are aspects of society
now that that, you know, pushes
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against you being yourself.
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But I also feel like there's no other way
to live, truthfully, you know,
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I mean, again,
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you got to be careful with it,
but I think it's better to lean into that
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and just taking those steps, gaining
a little bit of that and independence
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for who you are and owning
it is so freeing.
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It's almost a better independence
because it's more you.
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Yeah.
What you're trying to play by before.
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Right.
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Let's talk about where that uneasy road
leads to.
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We have your new podcast, the second
podcast link in the description.
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Make sure you're clicking around.
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Guys, this is you've developed
podcasts in the past obviously
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challenge accepted joysticks show
probably more in the future.
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But this one was very unique.
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You have, a studio for this one.
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Can you describe what it's like
to set up that studio for this podcast?
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Man, let me tell you
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that this is way easier than I thought
it was going to be.
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Right?
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Yes. So for the five year
anniversary of my accident,
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I put out a video kind of describing
it is on the burn page.
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It's on my personal page.
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But I really did not want to announce
that I was going to do this podcast.
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I again talk about fear
and just thinking like, this is crazy.
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Who's going to come and listen to me
talk about positive mental health
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and digging your way
out of a terrible situation?
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Or that kind of stuff.
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You know, it's like, I'm not an expert.
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I know I'm not a mental health expert.
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I just,
you know, been in a lot of therapy.
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So, yeah.
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But regardless,
I put out that video and in, in it,
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I wasn't even going to say this.
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I was like,
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you know,
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I actually said to my wife, I was like,
I don't know
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if this is something I want to stay,
which is I,
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I've been thinking about this podcast.
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I kind of want to do it, but I don't know
if I want to announce it here.
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And she said, if you don't announce it
in this video, you shouldn't do.
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It because, Yeah, she's
but I loved, you know,
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some people be like,
oh, that was kind of rough.
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But I really appreciate that push.
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You know what?
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Yeah. Why not?
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Let's announce it. Let's do this. Right.
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And then, from that video, the
the outpouring was, was so incredible
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and it was so overwhelming
and it was so wonderful.
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I really didn't expect it.
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But somebody who I didn't even realize
was kind of follow me said, hey, I'm
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working with the studio
actually here in San Diego where I live,
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and it wasn't too far from where
I was actually living at the time.
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And he was like, hey, you know,
you said you mentioned
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you wanted to do this podcast.
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Maybe you should check out this studio.
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And so I'm like,
all right, you know, and I started going
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through all this list of different places.
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And yeah, I really wanted to just try
to take this podcast to a different level.
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And I go there, meet everybody.
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They're all wonderful.
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It's called Voice and Video.
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In San Diego,
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if you have any type of video
producing things
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that you want to do anywhere
in Southern California,
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they have all this kind of crazy, amazing,
like movie quality equipment.
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But we met with them.
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I kind of told them what I wanted to do
and just through us kind of chit chatting,
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work it out.
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So yeah,
we were able to kind of land on something.
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And yeah, so far
all six episodes have been recorded there
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and they're just been wonderful
to work with.
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But it has been a slow process
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of building out the set and figuring out
how we're going to film it.
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And the audio, a lot of what, you know,
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as an audio expert,
but yeah, it has been a slow process.
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It's been a labor of love,
and it's been a lot of fun.
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As you've had these interviews.
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I'm sure it's tweaked and or and evolved
over time as natural for any podcast.
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How have you felt the transition going
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from the tragic
beginning to the humorous ending?
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How has that changed over time?
Because it feels like it's
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a very tough transition
in the middle of a conversation.
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Yeah.
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You know, I think what's good about it,
based on what we've both done for so long,
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I mean, you a lot more than me,
but it's like we
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a lot of preparation
goes into this, right?
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It's like the,
the funniest thing is, have you heard
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somebody who was like,
I just want to start a podcast.
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Oh, like, oh, okay.
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You know, like I'm in a I'm down.
I think that's awesome.
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You should do it.
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But also like, do you know about this?
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Is it. Right.
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And then you've like A to Z on all the
things that you think they need to set up.
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Right. Oh yeah. Right.
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So part of that all of my guests
I usually speak to them
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kind of pretty in-depth
before we ever record.
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So they know what it's about,
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not just for me and not just for what
the show is going to be, but for them to
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to understand
what the expectation is for the show.
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Because that's the idea, is
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we're starting from a place of, hey,
this was really hard thing in your life.
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This was, you know,
there was trauma there.
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There was pain, there was this crazy
accident, whatever. Right.
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But the goal of the show
is not to stay there.
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The goal of the show is to talk
about how you got out of that,
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how you moved on, how you found peace,
how you found success,
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how you work towards a happier life.
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And so that is kind of the thing,
you know, it's
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not just to dwell on people's
trauma or pain or sadness.
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It's that's the jumping off point.
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And I think that's so kind of true
to who I am to,
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you know, like,
I there's so many people out there
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who are hurting
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or have things in their life
that are just really tough
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and they don't know
how to move through it. Right?
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But we have to find a way,
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if you've been through those things,
to move through it too.
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Otherwise you're going
to, you know, you're going to be bitter.
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You're going to be sad, you're going to
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your mental
health is not going to be a good place.
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You you won't be able to thrive,
I think, and I,
466
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I do not feel like I'm fully healed
or anything by any means.
467
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Right.
468
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,240
But I have heard from a lot of people
like, hey, how did you get this mindset
469
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,000
from where you were at to
where you are now?
470
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,560
And I thought, man, if I can do this,
there's so many other people
471
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,680
who are going to be better share their
stories who have also moved from things.
472
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,000
And I don't compare trauma like,
I know mine's a plane crash, but like,
473
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,640
you could have skinned your knee on a bike
when you were eight years old
474
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,920
and that could have been the roughest
thing you've ever gone through.
475
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,760
It could have affected
you your whole life.
476
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520
But how did you move past it?
477
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,640
How did you go on to bigger and better
and better things?
478
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,240
Right.
479
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,200
So that became the thing
that I got fascinated by.
480
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,760
And how do I how do I translate that?
481
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,640
And I thought there was no better way
than to talk to people who had been
482
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,520
through all different types of situations
and what they learned from it,
483
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,000
and how they talk to themselves,
and the mental health
484
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,720
tips that they use to kind of allow them
to move on.
485
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Mental health
has got to be a big part of this process.
486
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Is there anything you've learned
487
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,080
that you personally have implemented
in your own life from your guests?
488
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Oh, man. Yeah.
489
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,200
You know, I mean, we're still so early
on, you know,
490
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,640
it's just like we've literally
just recorded recorded episode six.
491
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,920
I haven't even had time to really process
too much of what we had talked about.
492
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,440
But I feel like every episode so far,
somebody says something
493
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,800
and a light bulb goes off.
494
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800
It has been this crazy, crazy experience.
495
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,760
You know, I, I was telling my wife, after
these are done, like, I'm so fired
496
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800
up, I'm like so pumped out there
at the end of these
497
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,960
at the end of recording these episodes.
498
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720
But I'm so drained too.
499
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,200
And I think it's actually wonderful
because I'm I'm so amazed by it.
500
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,160
There's so many smart, intelligent,
wonderful, creative,
501
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960
inspiring people out there.
502
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,600
And you just if you show them,
503
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,800
you give them the opportunity,
they want to take you through that path.
504
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,680
You know, they want to take you through
that journey.
505
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,160
There's so much I've learned from
everybody, you know, appreciating life,
506
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,920
learning how we move on from our trauma.
507
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Like, also how we how we handle things,
kind of in a self-destructive way.
508
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,560
You know, there was, a guest on our show
who survived a tsunami,
509
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,640
and that alone was traumatic.
510
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,480
Her describing was like,
holy shit, like that is insane.
511
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,960
But then she got addicted to drugs
and alcohol down the road,
512
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,560
and didn't see how those two things
were connected, but then later on
513
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,400
did see it when she went to school for it,
and talking about how
514
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,600
they both had intersected in the
in her life and made things hard.
515
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,040
But also she needed
516
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280
both of these things in her life
to take her to where she is now.
517
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840
And she's thriving
and like helping so many people.
518
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,520
And she's a coach and an author
519
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,280
and a podcaster and,
you know, it's it's been pretty amazing.
520
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,080
So I think every guest has shown me
something different about their trauma,
521
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,880
their pain, their
their tough thing in life.
522
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
And they all approach it differently.
523
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,360
But there are common threads
which I think I again,
524
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:33,000
I need to really dissect
more of what that is.
525
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,440
Yeah.
526
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,240
You're still processing this, this journey
as a whole already.
527
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,360
I mean, it's gonna be hard
to one of the things I'm picking up
528
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,040
just from even this conversation
and she's a great example,
529
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960
you know, again, you're like,
are you gonna lose that independence?
530
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,400
And you could go one of two ways
and you can go to where you're so
531
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320
independent, become isolationist.
532
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,840
It sounds like drugs and stuff like that.
533
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760
That could be lead,
that could be that path.
534
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760
But then she finds recovery humor
through community.
535
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,240
And that's getting yourself out there,
536
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840
accepting your situation
and finding a new way forward.
537
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,320
And now she has a community.
538
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,680
She does a lot of community work.
539
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,680
And it's also kind of
what you're doing with psych burn.
540
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,000
You're kind of creating this community
of people who found
541
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000
hope and a better mental health
in the future.
542
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Yeah, yeah.
543
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,040
I mean, I think that's the thing.
544
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,400
It is for anybody
that wants some inspiration
545
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:17,840
or who
546
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,520
wants to improve their mental health or
just their their whole emotional demeanor
547
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,200
or like just feeling like, man, okay,
everything's going to be okay, right?
548
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Right.
549
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,360
There's some people
I think there's a lot of people right now
550
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,360
who just feel like I this
things are not nothing's gonna get better.
551
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,240
And like, they look at the world
in the news and we think, man, this sucks.
552
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,120
And how is anything going to improve?
553
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,200
But one thing I learned from this
terrible situation where, you know, they
554
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,440
they said I had a less than 10%
chance of surviving,
555
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,880
is that even at that lowest moment, even
with all the pain and the pain medicine
556
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,040
I was on and everything, it's like, no,
there are still good things there.
557
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,840
The people that showed up for me
and the people that just wanted
558
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,440
to be there because, you know,
I had connected with them at some point in
559
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,800
life is an amazing thing,
even though I couldn't even see it
560
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,360
when I was in the muck. Right.
561
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,720
And, and, and I think there's
so many people who are talented
562
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,200
and creative and smart and capable,
but they just see the bad.
563
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Yeah.
564
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,280
And I just wanted to show that there's,
another side to it.
565
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,200
So even if you don't think
you need any of this,
566
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,480
you know, there's
there's just so many things you can learn.
567
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,840
And I truly do believe
you can learn something from everybody.
568
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,320
And, yeah, these lessons, I think, are
just going to keep presenting themselves.
569
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,680
And yeah,
I just want to help really everybody
570
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760
I mean, truthfully, you know,
and whoever can take something away
571
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760
that helps better than their lives
is is a win for me.
572
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Well,
and leading up to the release of six Burn,
573
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,200
which is out today, as you guys
listen here, this, on the 28th,
574
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080
you've been putting out a lot of videos,
a lot of content
575
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,240
talking about some of the mental health
struggles that you're dealing with
576
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280
and some improvements
over what you're learning.
577
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Has there any has there been any feedback
from the community you're building
578
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,600
over there, that you've seen,
like some impact from what you're sharing?
579
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,320
Yeah, yeah,
580
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,480
yeah, surprisingly
there was yeah, I've done a video on anger
581
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,440
or anxiety or loss
and some of some of the feedback has.
582
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,040
Yeah. Really blown me away.
583
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
You know, again, talking about fear.
584
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Throwing something out on the internet
like it was scary enough to talk.
585
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,640
About like a marvel movie.
586
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:26,880
Yeah.
587
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880
Let alone like your depression. Right. So,
588
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,000
it was, it was a.
589
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Definitely a scary process, but I think
the feedback, you know, I don't know,
590
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,680
maybe there is an added benefit to saying,
like, I was a plane crash survivor.
591
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,120
You know, it's like hard to argue.
592
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,000
You wouldn't be depressed
in that situation. Of course.
593
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,280
So to to move out of that,
you know, you have to learn something.
594
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,480
And the tricks that used to work for me
before my accident didn't work anymore.
595
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,280
I used to just beat myself up, just say
like, hey, you're not strong enough.
596
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,760
You're not smart enough, you're not fast.
597
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Whatever. It was.
598
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,400
Right?
599
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,920
And I used to I listen to David
Goggins book all through Flight School
600
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680
to try to power me through this,
and it was up into my
601
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
that point in my life
was the hardest thing I'd ever done.
602
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,320
And those tricks, though, once I was in
the hospital, didn't work for me anymore.
603
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200
I couldn't, like, beat myself
self up enough to like, heal.
604
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,360
You know, it was like,
I can, like, force myself to heal faster.
605
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,280
I'm not Wolverine. So like even
he can't really control it.
606
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,440
So yeah, it's just like you had to learn
607
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,200
new tricks on how to move through life
and how to move on,
608
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,040
and to stop looking at things
609
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560
that were, you know, like a destination
and more just like a direction.
610
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,240
But yes, I think the feedback
from other people to to digress,
611
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,680
it has been wonderful
and it's been surprising and,
612
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880
I just hope that it really does
help other people as much as possible.
613
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680
And like, I just kind of want
to be a resource, you know?
614
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Yeah.
615
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,120
And I think that's something that you're,
you're definitely doing.
616
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,600
You're again, you're creating a community.
617
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,440
People are seeing a lot of really great
inspiration from you looking at sick burn.
618
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,280
And I know you're early in your journey,
619
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,360
but the journey
hopefully will last a long time.
620
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Where do you want to see this journey
go for sick burn?
621
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Yeah. That's funny. So.
622
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,560
You know,
623
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,920
I think when it comes to podcasting,
we get so stuck on the numbers, right?
624
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Like, yeah,
yeah this download this listener.
625
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
And you know we we've made
X amount of episodes or what.
626
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Right.
627
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Like it becomes
628
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960
very much like a all life for me
with sales it became about the numbers.
629
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Like am I hitting this goal
by hitting this percentage.
630
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,000
And you know, I was very successful,
I feel like in my old life.
631
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
But I was miserable, you know, I,
I was making more money
632
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,000
than I ever made in my life,
but I just kind of hated what I had to do.
633
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,440
And I,
and I, just the people I was around were
634
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,240
everybody was so angry or like, mad
and just they just didn't seem happy.
635
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,600
And that's ultimately
what made me move out of aviation.
636
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,840
And so, you know,
I think that's still there,
637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,040
but also keeping in mind what I couldn't
do, you talking about independence,
638
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,040
like I wouldn't have even
had the opportunity to do this podcast.
639
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,880
So truthfully,
the goal is just to keep making more
640
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,960
is there's a author I really like
and a speaker is Simon Sinek, he said.
641
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
He calls it the infinite game.
642
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,200
So I just want to stay in the infinite
game, and I want
643
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
my episodes
to be as good as I can possibly make them.
644
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Every episode hopefully
take nuggets of wisdom from other people
645
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280
and what they've overcome and share
that with others.
646
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,920
You know, just be a resource out there
that other people can kind
647
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,880
of lift up their lives and start
seeing more positivity out there.
648
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Yeah.
649
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720
You know, I if if there is so much
negativity in the world
650
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
and if you only focus on that,
there will be all that you see.
651
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,800
But the the other side must also be true.
652
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,160
There must be positive things
that if we are neglecting that also exist.
653
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200
So now how do we focus on that?
654
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,880
And I think that is something
that I want to put more out in the world
655
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,640
and just build a community of people
that are just more open about talking
656
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,440
about these things, support each other,
and then let's all just find this
657
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,960
like positive, healthy space to just,
I don't know, support one another.
658
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
I don't know.
Yeah, I can't think beyond that.
659
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920
And as long as I get to keep making these
I think that'll be a win.
660
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Yeah.
661
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,760
It reminds me so much of E.B.
662
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920
white. He's the writer for Stuart Little.
663
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
And if you guys have ever read the actual
book, not just the movie, which is good,
664
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360
but if you ever read the book
665
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,120
at the end of the first book,
it really doesn't have an ending.
666
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120
It's you're reading basically
the first chapter of a long saga.
667
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,960
And when E.B.
668
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,480
white was asked about that, you know,
like, why does it have an ending?
669
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,920
He says, you know, it's
not about an ending.
670
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
It's that Stuart Little has a good car
671
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
and he's pointed in the right direction,
and that's what matters.
672
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680
And it sounds like you've got a good car
and you're pointed in the right direction,
673
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,560
like E.B. white wanted.
674
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
So I think that's really
pretty impressive.
675
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,480
That's amazing.
676
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Metaphor to connect this with.
677
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Its I praise like I feel like Stuart.
678
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Little still like inspires
and teaches people today.
679
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,920
You know. It never does. Yeah.
680
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,200
It's awesome.
681
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,480
So we have sick burnout today.
682
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240
You guys can be following it up
as we're talking about it right now.
683
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Just recapping what we're going over here
again.
684
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,000
It's a place
685
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,800
where you can hear about tragedy,
but most importantly, growth and where
686
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,240
where people are today through humor,
through good storytelling and sharing.
687
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,400
And I think that's so important is that
you, again, don't become isolationist.
688
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240
You you build these communities.
689
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,600
I think it's really good work.
690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
And I wish you
the very best luck with burn.
691
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Thank you man. Thank you.
692
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,240
What one thing you kept saying
was independence.
693
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,360
I want to ask you, like,
what does the independence mean to you?
694
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,920
And how do you think that showing up in
your life over the course of this podcast.
695
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,000
I think it I think independence
696
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,680
also is, purpose in a way,
like to have a purpose that's not aimless.
697
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Otherwise you're a ship in the water
at a drift
698
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320
and podcast is giving me a motor
for that ship,
699
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,040
and without it, I don't know where I'd be,
but it'd be adrift still.
700
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,640
So, yeah, I am independent because
I have something to do with my time.
701
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Yeah, I, I'm
not the professional Marvel rival player.
702
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,800
Like, I really wish I was.
703
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
But yeah, you know,
this is you and me both. Dad.
704
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Goodness.
705
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
All right, guys, thank you very much
for joining us on this one.
706
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,600
And, Thomas, thank you very much for
707
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,600
I know this is so weird,
I that we're talking in interview.
708
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Thank you for joining me on challenge
accepted. Thomas.
709
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,680
Yeah, yeah.
710
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,320
No, but I. Think this was cool.
711
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,080
And, I really appreciate it, too.
712
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,120
You know,
this has been near and dear to my heart.
713
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880
It's been something
I've been thinking about for years.
714
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,120
And, you know,
it's like I'm just anybody out there
715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360
who's wanted to start something
and you're like, I don't know.
716
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,920
You've been tiptoeing around it just.
717
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Yeah, just take a step, you know, like,
just try to look up something
718
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
on the internet, you know, call somebody
who maybe knows a little bit about that.
719
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Look up.
720
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,240
I have some books that exist.
I don't know, Yelp it.
721
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Who knows.
722
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,200
You better. Yeah. There you go.
723
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Does exist. Who knows?
724
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Yeah.
725
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400
But it's just take little steps in this.
Yeah.
726
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,440
This life,
you never know what the opportunities
727
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,240
are going to show up
728
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
and what you're going to be able to do
and where you're going to go, you know,
729
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,680
getting to meet you and starting challenge
accepted and joining geek freaks and,
730
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,160
you know, going to different conventions
and hanging out with you in person.
731
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120
It's like none of that would have existed
if I didn't if we didn't just take steps
732
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080
and make a podcast and then take steps
to, like, start a new podcast.
733
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,280
And, you know, it's just amazing
where these roads have taken me far
734
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,360
beyond what I'd ever thought
I'd be able to do again.
735
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Because never thought I'd be able to do
anything again at one point in my life.
736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,080
And then here we are.
737
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,880
So to all of you listening, like,
just take one step.
738
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,000
It's just, yeah, this life is amazing.
739
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
There are amazing people out there. Sure.
740
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600
You know, there's things to be afraid of
and skeptical about.
741
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,000
And there I'm not saying there's
not bad things in the world, but but maybe
742
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,280
just focus a little bit on the next step
and a little bit of positivity.
743
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,600
It's just a little thing
that could brighten your day,
744
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,280
because I guarantee you, the more you
start looking for it, the more you see it.
745
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,800
There we go again guys.
746
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
Much more on the second podcast out today.
747
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Links in the description.
Make sure you follow up on that.
748
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,120
All right guys
we'll see you on the next one.
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00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Bye. Aloha.
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And send you the Superman audio.
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On audacity,
I can send that over to to after this.
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That's almost done. Editing. With what?
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With. Oh.
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Yeah. It's right. There's a sound. Okay.
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It does sound good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah,
if it sounds really bad, I'll remind you.
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But generally, like, I got to get,
I got to get the editing going,
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so I generally will go a little bit
sooner than that.
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Okay.
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Check my audio levels and just.
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But yeah, if it's bad, I will make sure
you know, but it's it's fine.
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Okay. Cool. How do how do I sound?
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All right.
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You sound good.
I you're going to record your side, right?
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Yep, yep. I got go going on audacity.
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We'll do two different intros.
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One for channel accepted.
One for the gig for combo.
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And then
I always I try to cut the interviews like
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it sounds like we're mid-conversation.
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I'm working on that type of editing.
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So for the other one, okay,
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cool.
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All right. Let's go ahead and get started.
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So do the charges.
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Have the intro first
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stop, take a breather and then do it again
for graphics and just go okay for them.
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Sounds good.
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And 54321 hey I we're going to
charge said that the podcast
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recharged each other to a new movie
or TV show every week.
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But this is a very special episode.
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I am joined by Thomas.
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Well, everybody.
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Yeah, this one is, this is a weird one.
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We're gonna be discussing the next project
for Thomas
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and what you guys can do to go support
Thomas and learn so much more.
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Okay. Stop there.
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Okay.
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Five. Four. Three. Two.
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One. Hey, all geek freaks.
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I am Frank, and I'm joined by Thomas.
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Hello, everybody.
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Thomas is a pretty familiar voice.
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You guys should definitely hear him
from other things.
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But today's a very special interview.
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We're gonna be discussing Thomas's brand
new podcast, The Sick Burning podcast.
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Thomas, can you just give us
a quick rundown of what this podcast is?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So for all of you out there, again,
you probably have heard me
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maybe somewhere in some Geek Freaks
podcast over the last few years.
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And yeah,
what really got me into podcasting was
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I got out of the hospital because,
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maybe a lot of you don't know this,
but I was actually in a plane crash.
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I was pretty badly burned over somewhere
between 60 and 70% of my body.
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You know, I was trying to heal.
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Got out of the hospital, Covid hit.
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And so also not only to reengage with
my friends, but as a way to heal, too.
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You know, we started online
gaming and conversing, and I'm like,
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let's record this. This is awesome.
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And that kind of kicked off
the podcasting journey.
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And I love it
because I get to do stuff with you,
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Franken, and a bunch of other awesome
geeks out there
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and talk about things I love like Marvel,
DC, Star Wars, that kind of thing.
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But I think there's always been
a part of me that also is really drawn
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to mental health
and trying to recover both physically,
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but also mentally, emotionally,
spiritually, all that kind of stuff too.
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And Sick Burn is kind of a foyer
into that.
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Yeah.
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Now with Sick Burn, you're
trying to incorporate the beginning of
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like a tragedy,
some chaotic event in someone's life.
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And then you're transitioning
into humor and recovery.
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How is how is that possible?
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To me, it seems like it's such a hard
concept to brace.
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And you're you're finding so many people
who share that journey.
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Yeah.
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And, so the tagline is exploring
the bright side to life's darkest moments.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, if that doesn't describe
what life's been for me the last five.
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Years,
I don't know what else could, you know?
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Like, yeah, yeah.
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Out of all of this, kind of craziness,
you know, I know it is,
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probably a wild story to people,
but there has been a lot of moments
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that I've seen pop up
because of how tough things are
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when you're so low,
when you feel like you have nothing.
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I mean, for me, my whole life changed in
literally like a blink of an eye,
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you know, lost career and,
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identity and ways that my body worked
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and all these different things that just
instantly kind of got taken away from me.
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And I really just
didn't know where to go from there.
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I'm like, how am I ever going to
keep living or find a new way into life?
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And, you know, it took little by little,
but, you know, only recently, I'd say
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in the last few years that I was able
to kind of find some good things.
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And it also reminded me of things
I could reflect
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on when I was at my lowest, that I'm like,
you know what?
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That kind of was funny
or that kind of was awesome, you know?
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And which sounds wild to say, but I think,
you know, it is this place where I think
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out of the darkest, toughest moments,
there are things we can take away from it.
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There are good things that are there
and there are cool, just,
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things that present themselves to you
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that never would have because
of this low moment.
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Right.
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And I think the, the guest that I've had
on recently, they're also different.
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There's other survivors of of accidents,
a paragliding accident,
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a tsunami survivor.
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But then there's also people
who just think,
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how am I going to carry on with my life?
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Like, I might have to,
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you know, move back in with my parents
after I had this crazy, insane career.
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And then I lose everything, right?
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And there's comedians and chefs
who change their life around
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because they were doing one job,
and it basically just got clipped
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and they had to figure out
what their next life was about.
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So I think there's
so many people out there
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who experienced tragedies
and loss and, and pain.
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But you have to carry on.
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And so for me, it's
finding where that wisdom is.
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It's finding the mindset they used
to kind of carry on and it's finding
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where was the bright spots
that you were also
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just telling yourself when life felt like
it was crumbling around you.
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So yeah.
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In in what you call the darkest
and toughest moments,
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what are some of the commonalities
you're finding amongst all your guest
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and including your own story?
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Oh, man.
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So I think there is this belief,
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you know, is really it's
this is kind of interesting
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because I don't know if I had it
for a long time, you know, doing
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seriously, like, doing podcasts like this,
being a guest on your show on Geek
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Freaks, gave me so much confidence
in the more people
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I met in podcasting, the more I was like,
maybe there's something here.
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Maybe I'm still useful.
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And I think that was a giant fear
that I had, was like,
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I'm never going to be, like, useful again.
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I'm never going to be able
to do anything of value again.
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And I think in my guests
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there
is this belief that I got to keep going.
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And then there's other ones
where I'm like,
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I can make it to
whatever the other side of this is, right?
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So, you know, the yeah,
you're there, you're in this dark tunnel
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and you know, you're like,
hey, I can't go backwards or I can do,
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you know, there's just no room.
I can't turn around.
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So all you can do is keep moving forward.
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And now having I think we've recorded
5 or 6 episodes now it's
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there's just this belief that
we're going to make it on the other side.
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That's something you're funny
with everybody.
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They all have that belief in the end.
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I think so, yeah.
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Yeah, it's so different.
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There's so many different things
and yet they merge.
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I think that's a really good question,
but if I could just summarize it
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briefly without thinking about it too
deeply.
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Right.
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It's that they do believe that there's,
there's light at the end of the tunnel.
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Okay. I got to just keep walking towards
that.
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I'm just going to keep moving towards it.
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And yeah,
I think that's the thing that I'm,
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I'm finding the most yeah.
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Maybe connectivity out of everybody.
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One of the things you mentioned was,
you having a fear of whether,
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you know, the self-confidence problem.
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I will tell you,
as a personal friend of yours,
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we, you know, we reference you
when you go to conventions
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as, like, shameless
Thomas will really mean is fearless.
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You have this confidence about you
when you go to, approach
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somebody that I don't know.
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I know none of us have it,
and we admire it a lot in you.
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So you may have had fear before,
but you don't show it.
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Well. I talk he's that.
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I'm telling you it's there, though.
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It's definitely there.
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But I also now know what
the alternative is.
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Right? And you, you know, I, I,
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I thought I was in good shape,
you know, I,
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I felt happy about the way I looked and
the way I was able to do things in life.
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And after flight school and graduating,
getting my pilot's license,
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I'm like, I finally proved myself
that I was smart enough, right?
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Yeah.
And so I felt like I was on cloud nine.
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You know, I had kind of all
these wonderful things going for me.
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And then, you know, this accident happens.
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It all gets stripped away. Right?
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interacting together, man,
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that first LA Comic-Con
I was talking to you about,
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it was like, man, I got a hey, this events
coming up, should I go check this out?
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You're like, yes, you want tickets?
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I'm like, sure.
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I was so freaked and nervous,
like so nervous.
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I around that. Being.
And I'm, like, writing questions. Yeah.
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I was like, I was afraid, you know, and,
but there was this moment
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where I was sitting there and I was
thinking like, what's the alternative?
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Right? But you've sat in a hospital bed.
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You sat in a hospital just locked
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I was hooked up to IVs, and I had a track,
and I had all these tubes
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and everything coming out of me,
and I literally couldn't.
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and months and months and months.
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I think about not being able
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And so you get this opportunity now
to go do something you love and,
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and talk to fellow nerds and talk to
things that, you know, like Marvel movies
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and Marvel comics, like, really helped me
get back into a better mental headspace.
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And I'm like, Holy crap, I'm going to
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Just as much as I do
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and you, and get to meet people
who are making it like, that was crazy.
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I'm so nervous, but I'm just going to go
and ask me, hey, will you talk
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five minutes about the comic
you're doing or why, you know,
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this, this cosplay so awesome, you know,
do you mind if I take a picture or.
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I love this comic you created?
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Why did you create it?
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What were you thinking
when you're making it, like all of that
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stuff, it just,
I think the the goal and the opportunity
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to talk to these people supersedes
my fear of, am I going to look stupid?
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You know, I'm
going to say the wrong things.
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Like, we're inevitably, yeah,
I can't tell you how many wrong things.
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I've said on. Podcast over the years.
Right.
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It's just natural. We're human.
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And I think, you know,
I think it supersedes that fear.
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For me, it's just like, you got to do it.
You have one life to live.
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I truly do believe that.
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And I think those things align.
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Before we leave the dark air
and go into a more of the lighter side.
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I do want to touch on one of the things
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I'm hearing out of you a lot right now,
and something that I think personally
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I fear too, with a little bit
of what you're dealing with.
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Very lightly in comparison.
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But, the loss of independence,
I think that that would be
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one of the greatest fears
in that early stages.
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And now seeing you today, you're starting
essentially a new business.
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You continue to start
and thrive in podcasting.
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You have a wonderful, supportive family,
wife and group of friends.
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Do you feel like that
fear of loss of independence
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is warranted for a lot of people,
or do they have to find their
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own version of independence?
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That's an interesting question.
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So in terms of like losing
the independence, or are you talking
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more about like in the hospital
when I couldn't do things when.
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Yeah, we were sitting on that bed.
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And you're not sure if you'll be able
to do what you used to be able to do?
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Like that's
what you're talking about beforehand.
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And now finding a new way of doing things
like I, I feel from what
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I understand too, is you kind of embrace
more of your culture to afterwords.
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You found a way
to talk to these kind of creators
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when you should just be a quick reader,
that type of thing.
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I think again, you know,
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you know, what the alternative is
of not being able to do something.
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And again,
you know, I had this fear of I'm
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just not going to be able
to do anything of value in life again.
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to people, but when you're at that low,
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you know, I mean, just
my body was so messed up and, you know,
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not being able to communicate with people
like I literally couldn't speak.
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I couldn't even use my hands.
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They were all bandaged up,
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literally, like I was, you know,
strapped to a bed for months and months
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and so much of it, I think, is
probably why I talk too much now,
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because I know what it's like
to not be able to talk.
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there was this compulsion of
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I need to say something
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and you start looking at things again
when you're, you know,
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not like I'm a monk or anything,
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but I have heard this reference
where, you know, like
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the monks will be in the monastery
and they're looking at the wall. Right.
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maybe has all this scripture
carvings in it,
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and they just stare at it
for hours and hours.
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And what your mind does
while you look at it, it changes.
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It goes through all these things.
You have it.
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You contemplate every decision
you've ever made in your life
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and what you can do
and what you couldn't do and
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and how your life's going to change.
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But it while all of that is valid,
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it becomes completely different
when you are able to leave there, right?
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Right. And you're right.
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I wouldn't have been able to even leave
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if it wasn't for family, friends, yeah.
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Support, you know, but I think it just
this opportunity comes along and,
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and I started just leaning
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into the things that I really loved
and I really cared about, you know, I did
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I suppressed my geek side for so long,
you know, I grew up,
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I loved all the action figures and X-Men.
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The animated series got me hooked on,
you know, comics.
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And I was a Power Rangers kid,
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and,
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all of that stuff went away
because I wanted to
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be cool in high school,
and I played football.
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Yeah. And I, like, wanted.
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A girlfriend and, you know, or in college
and all these things.
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And then my job out of college, like,
nobody was really like that.
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So I kind of just stuffed that down,
right.
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And well, you worked at ugly too,
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which I would have to say is pretty sports
brandy, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, there's a picture. Totally.
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There was like a few people who kind of.
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But you had to pick and choose
who you could talk about that stuff with.
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Right. And you and I.
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And for me, I didn't want to like,
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shout it from the rooftops
about any of this stuff. And
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again, I got out
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of the hospital and it's it's
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yeah, I think this is what saved me
truthfully, mentally, I was so broken
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and and talk about depression
and just not knowing if I wanted to.
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I mean, this is going to sound dark,
but truthfully,
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I didn't know if I wanted to be here.
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And the things that kind of
kept me in the game, along with friends
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and family support, was like,
I got to lean into things I care about.
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Yeah. And this became podcasting.
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This became
I listen, I've always loved Marvel.
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Like, I want to talk about that more.
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Or, you know,
I've always loved video games
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and I really haven't had a space
or an opportunity
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to ever really talk about this one.
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I just do that
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or comedy bringing my friends to do improv
with and like, we would just laugh.
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All of these things became
part of the healing
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and showed me that
maybe there was still a way that I could
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contribute to this world,
or I still had something to give.
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Yeah.
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And that allowed me to kind of see
maybe there is some type of independence
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there too, you know,
for people who feel like you lost it,
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I think it's just taking one little step
in a direction you care about.
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You know, we
we hold ourselves back so much,
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and the thing between our ears
can be our biggest ally.
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It can also be our biggest enemy.
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You know, we're so nervous
about how the people are going to judge us
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or what our parents are going to think,
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or what our friends are going to think,
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or what our, you know,
significant other is going to think.
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And all of that can be valid.
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But if you are stuffing down a part of you
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that you really feel strongly
about or connected to,
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or want to share with the world,
that's a tough place to be.
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Not being able to share it.
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I think again, you know, this it's sound,
this is probably heavy
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or a little crazy maybe to say, but,
you know, you you gain more of yourself.
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You get to live more freely
as you are able to express yourself more.
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And I'm not saying
that road is going to be easy.
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I'm not saying
it's going to be a walk in the park.
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You know, there are aspects of society
now that that, you know, pushes
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against you being yourself.
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to live, truthfully, you know,
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I mean, again,
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you got to be careful with it,
but I think it's better to lean into that
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and just taking those steps, gaining
a little bit of that and independence
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for who you are and owning
it is so freeing.
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It's almost a better independence
because it's more you.
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Yeah.
What you're trying to play by before.
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Right.
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Let's talk about where that uneasy road
leads to.
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We have your new podcast, the second
podcast link in the description.
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Make sure you're clicking around.
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Guys, this is you've developed
podcasts in the past obviously
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challenge accepted joysticks show
probably more in the future.
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But this one was very unique.
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You have, a studio for this one.
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Can you describe what it's like
to set up that studio for this podcast?
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Man, let me tell you
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that this is way easier than I thought
it was going to be.
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Right?
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Yes. So for the five year
anniversary of my accident,
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I put out a video kind of describing
it is on the burn page.
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It's on my personal page.
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But I really did not want to announce
that I was going to do this podcast.
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I again talk about fear
and just thinking like, this is crazy.
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Who's going to come and listen to me
talk about positive mental health
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and digging your way
out of a terrible situation?
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Or that kind of stuff.
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You know, it's like, I'm not an expert.
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I know I'm not a mental health expert.
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I just,
you know, been in a lot of therapy.
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So, yeah.
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But regardless,
I put out that video and in, in it,
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I wasn't even going to say this.
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I was like,
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you know,
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I actually said to my wife, I was like,
I don't know
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if this is something I want to stay,
which is I,
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I've been thinking about this podcast.
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I kind of want to do it, but I don't know
if I want to announce it here.
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And she said, if you don't announce it
in this video, you shouldn't do.
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It because, Yeah, she's
but I loved, you know,
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some people be like,
oh, that was kind of rough.
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But I really appreciate that push.
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You know what?
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Yeah. Why not?
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Let's announce it. Let's do this. Right.
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And then, from that video, the
the outpouring was, was so incredible
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and it was so overwhelming
and it was so wonderful.
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I really didn't expect it.
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But somebody who I didn't even realize
was kind of follow me said, hey, I'm
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working with the studio
actually here in San Diego where I live,
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and it wasn't too far from where
I was actually living at the time.
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And he was like, hey, you know,
you said you mentioned
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you wanted to do this podcast.
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Maybe you should check out this studio.
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And so I'm like,
all right, you know, and I started going
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through all this list of different places.
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And yeah, I really wanted to just try
to take this podcast to a different level.
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And I go there, meet everybody.
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They're all wonderful.
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It's called Voice and Video.
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In San Diego,
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if you have any type of video
producing things
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that you want to do anywhere
in Southern California,
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they have all this kind of crazy, amazing,
like movie quality equipment.
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But we met with them.
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I kind of told them what I wanted to do
and just through us kind of chit chatting,
411
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,560
work it out.
412
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,640
So yeah,
we were able to kind of land on something.
413
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,240
And yeah, so far
all six episodes have been recorded there
414
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,280
and they're just been wonderful
to work with.
415
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,800
But it has been a slow process
416
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,440
of building out the set and figuring out
how we're going to film it.
417
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,560
And the audio, a lot of what, you know,
418
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,240
as an audio expert,
but yeah, it has been a slow process.
419
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,120
It's been a labor of love,
and it's been a lot of fun.
420
00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,160
As you've had these interviews.
421
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,880
I'm sure it's tweaked and or and evolved
over time as natural for any podcast.
422
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,000
How have you felt the transition going
423
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,240
from the tragic
beginning to the humorous ending?
424
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,320
How has that changed over time?
Because it feels like it's
425
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,680
a very tough transition
in the middle of a conversation.
426
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,200
Yeah.
427
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:50,200
You know, I think what's good about it,
based on what we've both done for so long,
428
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,400
I mean, you a lot more than me,
but it's like we
429
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,480
a lot of preparation
goes into this, right?
430
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,120
It's like the,
the funniest thing is, have you heard
431
00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,240
somebody who was like,
I just want to start a podcast.
432
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,880
Oh, like, oh, okay.
433
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720
You know, like I'm in a I'm down.
I think that's awesome.
434
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,440
You should do it.
435
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800
But also like, do you know about this?
436
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,520
Is it. Right.
437
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,320
And then you've like A to Z on all the
things that you think they need to set up.
438
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,200
Right. Oh yeah. Right.
439
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,000
So part of that all of my guests
I usually speak to them
440
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,640
kind of pretty in-depth
before we ever record.
441
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,320
So they know what it's about,
442
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,040
not just for me and not just for what
the show is going to be, but for them to
443
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,160
to understand
what the expectation is for the show.
444
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,160
Because that's the idea, is
445
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,680
we're starting from a place of, hey,
this was really hard thing in your life.
446
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,200
This was, you know,
there was trauma there.
447
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,200
There was pain, there was this crazy
accident, whatever. Right.
448
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,720
But the goal of the show
is not to stay there.
449
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,720
The goal of the show is to talk
about how you got out of that,
450
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,960
how you moved on, how you found peace,
how you found success,
451
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,960
how you work towards a happier life.
452
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,040
And so that is kind of the thing,
you know, it's
453
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,680
not just to dwell on people's
trauma or pain or sadness.
454
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,720
It's that's the jumping off point.
455
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,000
And I think that's so kind of true
to who I am to,
456
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,920
you know, like,
I there's so many people out there
457
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,680
who are hurting
458
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,400
or have things in their life
that are just really tough
459
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,600
and they don't know
how to move through it. Right?
460
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,600
But we have to find a way,
461
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840
if you've been through those things,
to move through it too.
462
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,280
Otherwise you're going
to, you know, you're going to be bitter.
463
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,560
You're going to be sad, you're going to
464
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,320
your mental
health is not going to be a good place.
465
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,800
You you won't be able to thrive,
I think, and I,
466
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,160
I do not feel like I'm fully healed
or anything by any means.
467
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Right.
468
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,240
But I have heard from a lot of people
like, hey, how did you get this mindset
469
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,000
from where you were at to
where you are now?
470
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,560
And I thought, man, if I can do this,
there's so many other people
471
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,680
who are going to be better share their
stories who have also moved from things.
472
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,000
And I don't compare trauma like,
I know mine's a plane crash, but like,
473
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,640
you could have skinned your knee on a bike
when you were eight years old
474
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,920
and that could have been the roughest
thing you've ever gone through.
475
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,760
It could have affected
you your whole life.
476
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520
But how did you move past it?
477
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,640
How did you go on to bigger and better
and better things?
478
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,240
Right.
479
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,200
So that became the thing
that I got fascinated by.
480
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,760
And how do I how do I translate that?
481
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,640
And I thought there was no better way
than to talk to people who had been
482
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,520
through all different types of situations
and what they learned from it,
483
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,000
and how they talk to themselves,
and the mental health
484
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,720
tips that they use to kind of allow them
to move on.
485
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Mental health
has got to be a big part of this process.
486
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Is there anything you've learned
487
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,080
that you personally have implemented
in your own life from your guests?
488
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Oh, man. Yeah.
489
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,200
You know, I mean, we're still so early
on, you know,
490
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,640
it's just like we've literally
just recorded recorded episode six.
491
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,920
I haven't even had time to really process
too much of what we had talked about.
492
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,440
But I feel like every episode so far,
somebody says something
493
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,800
and a light bulb goes off.
494
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800
It has been this crazy, crazy experience.
495
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,760
You know, I, I was telling my wife, after
these are done, like, I'm so fired
496
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800
up, I'm like so pumped out there
at the end of these
497
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,960
at the end of recording these episodes.
498
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720
But I'm so drained too.
499
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,200
And I think it's actually wonderful
because I'm I'm so amazed by it.
500
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,160
There's so many smart, intelligent,
wonderful, creative,
501
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960
inspiring people out there.
502
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,600
And you just if you show them,
503
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,800
you give them the opportunity,
they want to take you through that path.
504
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,680
You know, they want to take you through
that journey.
505
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,160
There's so much I've learned from
everybody, you know, appreciating life,
506
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,920
learning how we move on from our trauma.
507
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Like, also how we how we handle things,
kind of in a self-destructive way.
508
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,560
You know, there was, a guest on our show
who survived a tsunami,
509
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,640
and that alone was traumatic.
510
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,480
Her describing was like,
holy shit, like that is insane.
511
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,960
But then she got addicted to drugs
and alcohol down the road,
512
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,560
and didn't see how those two things
were connected, but then later on
513
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,400
did see it when she went to school for it,
and talking about how
514
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,600
they both had intersected in the
in her life and made things hard.
515
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,040
But also she needed
516
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280
both of these things in her life
to take her to where she is now.
517
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840
And she's thriving
and like helping so many people.
518
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,520
And she's a coach and an author
519
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,280
and a podcaster and,
you know, it's it's been pretty amazing.
520
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,080
So I think every guest has shown me
something different about their trauma,
521
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,880
their pain, their
their tough thing in life.
522
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
And they all approach it differently.
523
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,360
But there are common threads
which I think I again,
524
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:33,000
I need to really dissect
more of what that is.
525
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,440
Yeah.
526
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,240
You're still processing this, this journey
as a whole already.
527
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,360
I mean, it's gonna be hard
to one of the things I'm picking up
528
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,040
just from even this conversation
and she's a great example,
529
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960
you know, again, you're like,
are you gonna lose that independence?
530
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,400
And you could go one of two ways
and you can go to where you're so
531
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320
independent, become isolationist.
532
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,840
It sounds like drugs and stuff like that.
533
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760
That could be lead,
that could be that path.
534
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760
But then she finds recovery humor
through community.
535
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,240
And that's getting yourself out there,
536
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840
accepting your situation
and finding a new way forward.
537
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,320
And now she has a community.
538
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,680
She does a lot of community work.
539
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,680
And it's also kind of
what you're doing with psych burn.
540
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,000
You're kind of creating this community
of people who found
541
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000
hope and a better mental health
in the future.
542
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Yeah, yeah.
543
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,040
I mean, I think that's the thing.
544
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,400
It is for anybody
that wants some inspiration
545
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:17,840
or who
546
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,520
wants to improve their mental health or
just their their whole emotional demeanor
547
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,200
or like just feeling like, man, okay,
everything's going to be okay, right?
548
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Right.
549
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,360
There's some people
I think there's a lot of people right now
550
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,360
who just feel like I this
things are not nothing's gonna get better.
551
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,240
And like, they look at the world
in the news and we think, man, this sucks.
552
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,120
And how is anything going to improve?
553
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,200
But one thing I learned from this
terrible situation where, you know, they
554
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,440
they said I had a less than 10%
chance of surviving,
555
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,880
is that even at that lowest moment, even
with all the pain and the pain medicine
556
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,040
I was on and everything, it's like, no,
there are still good things there.
557
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,840
The people that showed up for me
and the people that just wanted
558
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,440
to be there because, you know,
I had connected with them at some point in
559
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,800
life is an amazing thing,
even though I couldn't even see it
560
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,360
when I was in the muck. Right.
561
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,720
And, and, and I think there's
so many people who are talented
562
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,200
and creative and smart and capable,
but they just see the bad.
563
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Yeah.
564
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,280
And I just wanted to show that there's,
another side to it.
565
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,200
So even if you don't think
you need any of this,
566
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,480
you know, there's
there's just so many things you can learn.
567
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,840
And I truly do believe
you can learn something from everybody.
568
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,320
And, yeah, these lessons, I think, are
just going to keep presenting themselves.
569
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,680
And yeah,
I just want to help really everybody
570
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760
I mean, truthfully, you know,
and whoever can take something away
571
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760
that helps better than their lives
is is a win for me.
572
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Well,
and leading up to the release of six Burn,
573
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,200
which is out today, as you guys
listen here, this, on the 28th,
574
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080
you've been putting out a lot of videos,
a lot of content
575
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,240
talking about some of the mental health
struggles that you're dealing with
576
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280
and some improvements
over what you're learning.
577
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Has there any has there been any feedback
from the community you're building
578
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,600
over there, that you've seen,
like some impact from what you're sharing?
579
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,320
Yeah, yeah,
580
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,480
yeah, surprisingly
there was yeah, I've done a video on anger
581
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,440
or anxiety or loss
and some of some of the feedback has.
582
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,040
Yeah. Really blown me away.
583
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
You know, again, talking about fear.
584
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Throwing something out on the internet
like it was scary enough to talk.
585
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,640
About like a marvel movie.
586
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:26,880
Yeah.
587
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880
Let alone like your depression. Right. So,
588
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,000
it was, it was a.
589
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Definitely a scary process, but I think
the feedback, you know, I don't know,
590
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,680
maybe there is an added benefit to saying,
like, I was a plane crash survivor.
591
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,120
You know, it's like hard to argue.
592
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,000
You wouldn't be depressed
in that situation. Of course.
593
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,280
So to to move out of that,
you know, you have to learn something.
594
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,480
And the tricks that used to work for me
before my accident didn't work anymore.
595
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,280
I used to just beat myself up, just say
like, hey, you're not strong enough.
596
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,760
You're not smart enough, you're not fast.
597
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Whatever. It was.
598
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,400
Right?
599
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,920
And I used to I listen to David
Goggins book all through Flight School
600
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680
to try to power me through this,
and it was up into my
601
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
that point in my life
was the hardest thing I'd ever done.
602
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,320
And those tricks, though, once I was in
the hospital, didn't work for me anymore.
603
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200
I couldn't, like, beat myself
self up enough to like, heal.
604
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,360
You know, it was like,
I can, like, force myself to heal faster.
605
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,280
I'm not Wolverine. So like even
he can't really control it.
606
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,440
So yeah, it's just like you had to learn
607
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,200
new tricks on how to move through life
and how to move on,
608
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,040
and to stop looking at things
609
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560
that were, you know, like a destination
and more just like a direction.
610
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,240
But yes, I think the feedback
from other people to to digress,
611
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,680
it has been wonderful
and it's been surprising and,
612
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880
I just hope that it really does
help other people as much as possible.
613
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680
And like, I just kind of want
to be a resource, you know?
614
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Yeah.
615
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,120
And I think that's something that you're,
you're definitely doing.
616
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,600
You're again, you're creating a community.
617
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,440
People are seeing a lot of really great
inspiration from you looking at sick burn.
618
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,280
And I know you're early in your journey,
619
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,360
but the journey
hopefully will last a long time.
620
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Where do you want to see this journey
go for sick burn?
621
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Yeah. That's funny. So.
622
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,560
You know,
623
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,920
I think when it comes to podcasting,
we get so stuck on the numbers, right?
624
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Like, yeah,
yeah this download this listener.
625
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
And you know we we've made
X amount of episodes or what.
626
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Right.
627
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Like it becomes
628
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960
very much like a all life for me
with sales it became about the numbers.
629
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Like am I hitting this goal
by hitting this percentage.
630
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,000
And you know, I was very successful,
I feel like in my old life.
631
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
But I was miserable, you know, I,
I was making more money
632
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,000
than I ever made in my life,
but I just kind of hated what I had to do.
633
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,440
And I,
and I, just the people I was around were
634
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,240
everybody was so angry or like, mad
and just they just didn't seem happy.
635
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,600
And that's ultimately
what made me move out of aviation.
636
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,840
And so, you know,
I think that's still there,
637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,040
but also keeping in mind what I couldn't
do, you talking about independence,
638
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,040
like I wouldn't have even
had the opportunity to do this podcast.
639
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,880
So truthfully,
the goal is just to keep making more
640
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,960
is there's a author I really like
and a speaker is Simon Sinek, he said.
641
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
He calls it the infinite game.
642
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,200
So I just want to stay in the infinite
game, and I want
643
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
my episodes
to be as good as I can possibly make them.
644
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Every episode hopefully
take nuggets of wisdom from other people
645
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280
and what they've overcome and share
that with others.
646
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,920
You know, just be a resource out there
that other people can kind
647
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,880
of lift up their lives and start
seeing more positivity out there.
648
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Yeah.
649
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720
You know, I if if there is so much
negativity in the world
650
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
and if you only focus on that,
there will be all that you see.
651
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,800
But the the other side must also be true.
652
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,160
There must be positive things
that if we are neglecting that also exist.
653
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200
So now how do we focus on that?
654
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,880
And I think that is something
that I want to put more out in the world
655
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,640
and just build a community of people
that are just more open about talking
656
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,440
about these things, support each other,
and then let's all just find this
657
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,960
like positive, healthy space to just,
I don't know, support one another.
658
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
I don't know.
Yeah, I can't think beyond that.
659
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920
And as long as I get to keep making these
I think that'll be a win.
660
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Yeah.
661
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,760
It reminds me so much of E.B.
662
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920
white. He's the writer for Stuart Little.
663
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
And if you guys have ever read the actual
book, not just the movie, which is good,
664
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360
but if you ever read the book
665
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,120
at the end of the first book,
it really doesn't have an ending.
666
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120
It's you're reading basically
the first chapter of a long saga.
667
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,960
And when E.B.
668
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,480
white was asked about that, you know,
like, why does it have an ending?
669
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,920
He says, you know, it's
not about an ending.
670
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
It's that Stuart Little has a good car
671
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
and he's pointed in the right direction,
and that's what matters.
672
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680
And it sounds like you've got a good car
and you're pointed in the right direction,
673
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,560
like E.B. white wanted.
674
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
So I think that's really
pretty impressive.
675
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,480
That's amazing.
676
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Metaphor to connect this with.
677
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Its I praise like I feel like Stuart.
678
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Little still like inspires
and teaches people today.
679
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,920
You know. It never does. Yeah.
680
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,200
It's awesome.
681
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,480
So we have sick burnout today.
682
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240
You guys can be following it up
as we're talking about it right now.
683
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Just recapping what we're going over here
again.
684
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,000
It's a place
685
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,800
where you can hear about tragedy,
but most importantly, growth and where
686
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,240
where people are today through humor,
through good storytelling and sharing.
687
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,400
And I think that's so important is that
you, again, don't become isolationist.
688
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240
You you build these communities.
689
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,600
I think it's really good work.
690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
And I wish you
the very best luck with burn.
691
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Thank you man. Thank you.
692
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,240
What one thing you kept saying
was independence.
693
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,360
I want to ask you, like,
what does the independence mean to you?
694
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,920
And how do you think that showing up in
your life over the course of this podcast.
695
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,000
I think it I think independence
696
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,680
also is, purpose in a way,
like to have a purpose that's not aimless.
697
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Otherwise you're a ship in the water
at a drift
698
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320
and podcast is giving me a motor
for that ship,
699
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,040
and without it, I don't know where I'd be,
but it'd be adrift still.
700
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,640
So, yeah, I am independent because
I have something to do with my time.
701
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Yeah, I, I'm
not the professional Marvel rival player.
702
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,800
Like, I really wish I was.
703
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
But yeah, you know,
this is you and me both. Dad.
704
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Goodness.
705
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
All right, guys, thank you very much
for joining us on this one.
706
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,600
And, Thomas, thank you very much for
707
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,600
I know this is so weird,
I that we're talking in interview.
708
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Thank you for joining me on challenge
accepted. Thomas.
709
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,680
Yeah, yeah.
710
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,320
No, but I. Think this was cool.
711
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,080
And, I really appreciate it, too.
712
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,120
You know,
this has been near and dear to my heart.
713
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880
It's been something
I've been thinking about for years.
714
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,120
And, you know,
it's like I'm just anybody out there
715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360
who's wanted to start something
and you're like, I don't know.
716
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,920
You've been tiptoeing around it just.
717
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Yeah, just take a step, you know, like,
just try to look up something
718
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
on the internet, you know, call somebody
who maybe knows a little bit about that.
719
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Look up.
720
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,240
I have some books that exist.
I don't know, Yelp it.
721
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Who knows.
722
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,200
You better. Yeah. There you go.
723
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Does exist. Who knows?
724
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Yeah.
725
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400
But it's just take little steps in this.
Yeah.
726
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,440
This life,
you never know what the opportunities
727
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,240
are going to show up
728
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
and what you're going to be able to do
and where you're going to go, you know,
729
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,680
getting to meet you and starting challenge
accepted and joining geek freaks and,
730
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,160
you know, going to different conventions
and hanging out with you in person.
731
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120
It's like none of that would have existed
if I didn't if we didn't just take steps
732
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080
and make a podcast and then take steps
to, like, start a new podcast.
733
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,280
And, you know, it's just amazing
where these roads have taken me far
734
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,360
beyond what I'd ever thought
I'd be able to do again.
735
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Because never thought I'd be able to do
anything again at one point in my life.
736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,080
And then here we are.
737
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,880
So to all of you listening, like,
just take one step.
738
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,000
It's just, yeah, this life is amazing.
739
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
There are amazing people out there. Sure.
740
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600
You know, there's things to be afraid of
and skeptical about.
741
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,000
And there I'm not saying there's
not bad things in the world, but but maybe
742
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,280
just focus a little bit on the next step
and a little bit of positivity.
743
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,600
It's just a little thing
that could brighten your day,
744
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,280
because I guarantee you, the more you
start looking for it, the more you see it.
745
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,800
There we go again guys.
746
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
Much more on the second podcast out today.
747
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Links in the description.
Make sure you follow up on that.
748
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,120
All right guys
we'll see you on the next one.
749
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Bye. Aloha.
