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Speaker 1: Intrigued here from our southern suburbs and Inner South listeners. This morning people maybe work and drive through the Inner South. The state governments thrown its support behind a plan to reduce part of Only Road down to fifty k's an hour. It'll be a stretch that's about one and a half k's long between Greenhill Road and Park Street and Wattle Street intersection. The next k to crossroad will state sixty, so it's a bit close to the city. Goes down to fifty k's an hour, Good idea or bad? Let us know an eight double two three double. You can text us on the Dutton's text line. Doctor Andrew Allen, Senior Lecture and Transport and Urban and Planning from UNISA joins, it's Dr Allen, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning.
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Speaker 3: I use this road quite a bit, Dr Allen, and it feels to me like motorists largely are already acting like it is a fifty zone because it's such a logistically challenging stretch of road. That northern end of Only Road that sixty feels like you're pushing it a bit already, does it not?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really designed as a sixty k road. There is a lot going on in the road space. It's a very narrow arterial road. It's less than ideal. In fact, it's not really wide enough for trafficable lanes and a cycle path. Yeah, and if a vehicle does run off the road, it's a serious accident. So a lower speed limit makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned cyclist. I think a lot of cyclists who are listening to our show, I think a lot of them would would avoid it because you've got cars parking on the left. You've got cars often doing right hand turned in a Cambridge and Oxford and all the roads there on the right, and it's just too squishy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think the cycle path that lane is only available in ours, so the rest of the time it's there's vehicle's parking there, so cyclists have to watch out not to be car doored.
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Speaker 3: It's a cuckle long totally, totally so, doctor Allen.
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Speaker 1: Then, when it comes just trying to think off the top of my head, when it comes to these main Tierra roads, the sixty kight hour limits sort of becoming an endangered animal. So so Donald Bradman drive still sixty. Henry Beach obviously changed in a big way, do you think inevitably we're just going to get to a point that all of these main roads towards getting close to the city are going to get to fifty ks now?
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Speaker 2: I mean depends. I think where you have a sense of road uses alongside the road, it'll probably transition to fifty. But you know, if there's not a lot of driveways onto the road down to a lot of pedestrians around, they'll probably remain at sixty k's. But you know, we have seen Prospect road that's going down to fifty. But you know the traffic service function course is lower. Now, I guess the state government source of looking at you know, the North South Motorway taking some of the pressure off the road system atleast in the north south direction. Is there a.
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Speaker 3: Correlation you wouldn't cop it for like Anzac Kyway, you know what?
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Speaker 1: No, No, of course fifty No.
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Speaker 3: If it's wide enough, it's got enough lanes like that then and there's no parking on the actual road, then that's fine.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's it's an interesting one and it feels like, well, I just let me ask you, doctor Allen. Is there a correlation then between population growth and reducing speed limits like it was there a sort of demonstrable As the population of cars on the road increases, we're going to see invariably roads that maybe we hadn't previously considered have to start dropping away to fifty or even slower.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also part of an international trend. Partly it's the road safety question. It's one of the easy fixes I guess to bring road accidents down road crashes. When you have a lot of speed limit, the severity of the crashes is less, So I guess road tape authorities are also looking at that. It's a bit of a balancing act because you want to maintain the traffic movement function, but you also wanted it to be safe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the sweet spot it's probably always a moving target. Well, Dr Allen, thank you. We've got some callers who want to have the essay on this. Dr Allen from UNISA joining us with a bit of science there. Let's let's chat with the member for only, David Pisigoni, who's called into the program. David, good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, how are you good?
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Speaker 3: This is.
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Speaker 4: I certainly support this. I think what we need to understand here is that this is really about the hummunity, and it's about the economic zone that or the economic area that the road. We don't have a lot of strip shopping in South Australia and Adelaide. We have certain roads that are desirable their destinations for people to shop and under road is one of those and people value the strip shopping. And consequently this is not going to affect any peak hour because those as earlier comments that nobody can do sixty kilometers in our peak hour under road anyway, it is really about making only safer for those that are on the footpath, those are crossing the road outside of those peak hour periods, which we're working successfully in Gordood Road, which is a roads of equal size with the business as Undy Road, and we're seeing that the businesses just thrived on Lorwood Road with that focus on the local community. More people are demanding outdoor dining at sixty kilometers an hour, you have to have billiards in front of your chafe restaurant at fifty kilometers, how you don't. So there's a lot of things that play into this that is why I support this. Interestingly, only was the first council Intouth Australia to have the forty kilometer and our residential streets I had thirty years ago. I had young kids at that time, and I was very supported, very relieved that we wouldn't see cars doing sixty kilometers in our down down Charles Street or street. And so so I think it's a good move. It's good for the community, and I think it is part of a maturing city that we want to preserve the character that we have there. If this becomes a freeway where clearways are extended and it's just used for getting cars from north to south, you know, it'll be a desert land there. We know desire to go there, There'll be shops, won't be able to be profitable, and they're close.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was only thank you. So it's like government, the local member and indeed the local council seemed to all be in agreement. What do our listers think, let's go to South Plimpton, Sue, what do you make of this?
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Speaker 5: I think it should definitely be fifty. It works on good, good road, it works on Prospect Road, and I agree with David, you can hardly go more than fifty most times on it anyway, So just make it fifty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Sir Vinnie and Grange.
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Speaker 6: What do you think it's to make it fifty but two side mirrors because the road's narrow. In some situations you've got two choices. Stay on the left and you lose your mirror, or go on the right and you can't move because somebody's doing the right ting STI trapped it only, but you've got a narrow spot. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Glen Osmond right has a bit like that too. Oh a lot like that, Trevor and Sea for Good Morning Today.
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Speaker 5: I was born and bredon Onley and Arthur Street, Mary Street, Oxford Street. That section there is the narrowest, all right. But but those cyclers cyclists on the foot path, they're getting dangerous. We've got motorized scooters and they're doing twenty thirty climes an hour on the foot part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point.
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Speaker 1: That's an issue too. Thank you for that. Travishre It is in Dunton's texts. Dunton's Volkswagen Experience unmatched versatility and space in the Volkswagen tig One all space. Dunton's easy to do business with.
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Speaker 3: Can listeners in McGill, I know we've got paul In McGill, one of our keen texts. I'm pretty sure McGill rode sixty all along, is it? Because it feels like if this discussion is happening about only on street parking stretch, particularly on the sort of the western side of mcguro we've got all of the antique shops and furniture stores and everything pretty archy part of town. I wonder if it's seemed to be next going to create a debate about fifty there. I'll tell you what, there's an absolute stack of feedback about our interview with Carol and Rowley's daughter as breaking at eight today. Not all of it can be read out on air, but suffice to say that people feel that in this case, the criminal justice system has let the community and most importantly, this family down spectacularly.
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Speaker 1: All right, five Double O News is coming up. We'll be back with more in just a moment. David Pemberthy and Will Goodings six to nine, five Double A Breakfast
Speaker 1: Intrigued here from our southern suburbs and Inner South listeners. This morning people maybe work and drive through the Inner South. The state governments thrown its support behind a plan to reduce part of Only Road down to fifty k's an hour. It'll be a stretch that's about one and a half k's long between Greenhill Road and Park Street and Wattle Street intersection. The next k to crossroad will state sixty, so it's a bit close to the city. Goes down to fifty k's an hour, Good idea or bad? Let us know an eight double two three double. You can text us on the Dutton's text line. Doctor Andrew Allen, Senior Lecture and Transport and Urban and Planning from UNISA joins, it's Dr Allen, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning.
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Speaker 3: I use this road quite a bit, Dr Allen, and it feels to me like motorists largely are already acting like it is a fifty zone because it's such a logistically challenging stretch of road. That northern end of Only Road that sixty feels like you're pushing it a bit already, does it not?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really designed as a sixty k road. There is a lot going on in the road space. It's a very narrow arterial road. It's less than ideal. In fact, it's not really wide enough for trafficable lanes and a cycle path. Yeah, and if a vehicle does run off the road, it's a serious accident. So a lower speed limit makes sense.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned cyclist. I think a lot of cyclists who are listening to our show, I think a lot of them would would avoid it because you've got cars parking on the left. You've got cars often doing right hand turned in a Cambridge and Oxford and all the roads there on the right, and it's just too squishy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think the cycle path that lane is only available in ours, so the rest of the time it's there's vehicle's parking there, so cyclists have to watch out not to be car doored.
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Speaker 3: It's a cuckle long totally, totally so, doctor Allen.
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Speaker 1: Then, when it comes just trying to think off the top of my head, when it comes to these main Tierra roads, the sixty kight hour limits sort of becoming an endangered animal. So so Donald Bradman drive still sixty. Henry Beach obviously changed in a big way, do you think inevitably we're just going to get to a point that all of these main roads towards getting close to the city are going to get to fifty ks now?
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Speaker 2: I mean depends. I think where you have a sense of road uses alongside the road, it'll probably transition to fifty. But you know, if there's not a lot of driveways onto the road down to a lot of pedestrians around, they'll probably remain at sixty k's. But you know, we have seen Prospect road that's going down to fifty. But you know the traffic service function course is lower. Now, I guess the state government source of looking at you know, the North South Motorway taking some of the pressure off the road system atleast in the north south direction. Is there a.
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Speaker 3: Correlation you wouldn't cop it for like Anzac Kyway, you know what?
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Speaker 1: No, No, of course fifty No.
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Speaker 3: If it's wide enough, it's got enough lanes like that then and there's no parking on the actual road, then that's fine.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's it's an interesting one and it feels like, well, I just let me ask you, doctor Allen. Is there a correlation then between population growth and reducing speed limits like it was there a sort of demonstrable As the population of cars on the road increases, we're going to see invariably roads that maybe we hadn't previously considered have to start dropping away to fifty or even slower.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also part of an international trend. Partly it's the road safety question. It's one of the easy fixes I guess to bring road accidents down road crashes. When you have a lot of speed limit, the severity of the crashes is less, So I guess road tape authorities are also looking at that. It's a bit of a balancing act because you want to maintain the traffic movement function, but you also wanted it to be safe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the sweet spot it's probably always a moving target. Well, Dr Allen, thank you. We've got some callers who want to have the essay on this. Dr Allen from UNISA joining us with a bit of science there. Let's let's chat with the member for only, David Pisigoni, who's called into the program. David, good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, how are you good?
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Speaker 3: This is.
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Speaker 4: I certainly support this. I think what we need to understand here is that this is really about the hummunity, and it's about the economic zone that or the economic area that the road. We don't have a lot of strip shopping in South Australia and Adelaide. We have certain roads that are desirable their destinations for people to shop and under road is one of those and people value the strip shopping. And consequently this is not going to affect any peak hour because those as earlier comments that nobody can do sixty kilometers in our peak hour under road anyway, it is really about making only safer for those that are on the footpath, those are crossing the road outside of those peak hour periods, which we're working successfully in Gordood Road, which is a roads of equal size with the business as Undy Road, and we're seeing that the businesses just thrived on Lorwood Road with that focus on the local community. More people are demanding outdoor dining at sixty kilometers an hour, you have to have billiards in front of your chafe restaurant at fifty kilometers, how you don't. So there's a lot of things that play into this that is why I support this. Interestingly, only was the first council Intouth Australia to have the forty kilometer and our residential streets I had thirty years ago. I had young kids at that time, and I was very supported, very relieved that we wouldn't see cars doing sixty kilometers in our down down Charles Street or street. And so so I think it's a good move. It's good for the community, and I think it is part of a maturing city that we want to preserve the character that we have there. If this becomes a freeway where clearways are extended and it's just used for getting cars from north to south, you know, it'll be a desert land there. We know desire to go there, There'll be shops, won't be able to be profitable, and they're close.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was only thank you. So it's like government, the local member and indeed the local council seemed to all be in agreement. What do our listers think, let's go to South Plimpton, Sue, what do you make of this?
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Speaker 5: I think it should definitely be fifty. It works on good, good road, it works on Prospect Road, and I agree with David, you can hardly go more than fifty most times on it anyway, So just make it fifty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Sir Vinnie and Grange.
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Speaker 6: What do you think it's to make it fifty but two side mirrors because the road's narrow. In some situations you've got two choices. Stay on the left and you lose your mirror, or go on the right and you can't move because somebody's doing the right ting STI trapped it only, but you've got a narrow spot. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Glen Osmond right has a bit like that too. Oh a lot like that, Trevor and Sea for Good Morning Today.
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Speaker 5: I was born and bredon Onley and Arthur Street, Mary Street, Oxford Street. That section there is the narrowest, all right. But but those cyclers cyclists on the foot path, they're getting dangerous. We've got motorized scooters and they're doing twenty thirty climes an hour on the foot part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point.
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Speaker 1: That's an issue too. Thank you for that. Travishre It is in Dunton's texts. Dunton's Volkswagen Experience unmatched versatility and space in the Volkswagen tig One all space. Dunton's easy to do business with.
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Speaker 3: Can listeners in McGill, I know we've got paul In McGill, one of our keen texts. I'm pretty sure McGill rode sixty all along, is it? Because it feels like if this discussion is happening about only on street parking stretch, particularly on the sort of the western side of mcguro we've got all of the antique shops and furniture stores and everything pretty archy part of town. I wonder if it's seemed to be next going to create a debate about fifty there. I'll tell you what, there's an absolute stack of feedback about our interview with Carol and Rowley's daughter as breaking at eight today. Not all of it can be read out on air, but suffice to say that people feel that in this case, the criminal justice system has let the community and most importantly, this family down spectacularly.
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Speaker 1: All right, five Double O News is coming up. We'll be back with more in just a moment. David Pemberthy and Will Goodings six to nine, five Double A Breakfast
