Everything on 'The Warriors'

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Can you dig it?
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Can you dig it?
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Can you dig it?
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Hello and welcome to Everything on Nothing where everything uh is connected and nothing really matters.
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I am your host, Mickey, and if you ask me a question, I will answer it thoroughly.
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And uh part of the uh gangs here is uh my life partner and producer, Jackie.
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Hey there.
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And uh from the uh darker side of the city streets, it's our uh excellent uh designer and CFO of the Orphans, Christian.
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From my candlelit bungalow, apparently, which is what it looks like these lights are doing.
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I'm the shadowy, shadowy financial officer of the New York City Orphans Gang.
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This is the romantic episode of Everything on Nothing.
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Yeah, usually usually my light will change as the as the sun sets, but uh I think today it's just gonna be real wacky.
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So as we uh got done talking about punk rock uh and equating that to the Roman Empire, I think I think we might have touched on that a little bit.
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Yeah, we we made it get there.
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Uh and uh other basically we've shown that punk rock was uh in in an upgrowing in the 70s.
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And still was aren't there two things you want to do before we start talking about the Warriors?
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You want to promote our folks?
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Let me get the question out first and then we'll okay.
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Sorry.
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Okay, sorry.
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Uh, but uh yeah, in the 70s we had an uprising of punk rock mentality, and that also uh started showing in some of the movie making, including some of the biggest stars to ever make movies, including Steven Spielsberg and uh George Lucas, and uh the guy responsible for The Godfather and the guy responsible for the movie we're talking about, uh The Warriors.
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And the question posed to us was are the Warriors is the Warriors a popular movie?
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Uh before we do dive into it and rip it all apart, uh we'll go ahead and then check in, see how everyone's doing.
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Jackie, uh, any anything good in your realm?
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Yeah, uh, so on Tuesday, the city of Canton is sending a car for me, and they're gonna drive me three and a half hours to Canton to spend four nights there and just kind of explore the city.
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Uh in case I write an article about them one day.
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The the nice thing is it's not a it's not uh quid pro quo.
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It is simply let me show you the city.
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They they recognize your talent as a writer and your ability to pull out all the details and really uh I guess take joy in and celebrate the good things that you find.
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And and in doing so, uh you've put up hundreds and hundreds, five hundred, six hundred five hundred and nineteen, I think, is what I'm at now.
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Articles about uh different places around the Midwest and other states.
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Uh and also your ongoing blog at valley of o.com.
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You kind of continuously uh express joy and happiness there about things that you find and love.
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And uh and the people uh I guess the marketing department of Canton, Ohio has recognized that, and they're like, hey, let's show her a good time and see if she can uh find something to love about Canton, Ohio.
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I already have one idea for an article that I'm gonna pitch, depending on how my visit goes, of course.
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But um, so in Canton, Ohio, the football, uh, the football hall of fame is there, which I know because of the chair company starring uh Ron Trosper, what the Tim Robinson.
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Creator and star of the Detroiters.
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Yes.
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Um, so I'm gonna go to the Football Hall of Fame and just pitch something like I am not a football girly, but here are the things that I loved about the Football Hall of Fame because I know me, I love loving things.
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I know I'm gonna find cool things there that like normal, like the wives going with their husbands might be more interested in.
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I don't know.
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It's an idea.
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That's actually I've always I've always admired that about you is that you love you love to be a fan.
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I love it, and that's like such a refreshing attitude.
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In uh uh I think like this is an era of content being very like rage and uh and negative driven because it's it's it's it's much more viral, unfortunately, than like happy things are.
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So it's but it's nice to see someone really actively drilling against that, where it's like here is at you at a certain you almost wonder what's going on in Canton that they're like please write about us.
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But uh but but it's like Canton is probably a wonderful little city full of little things that you can enjoy, like the Football Hall of Fame, not really small, but there's you will find I've noticed in your stuff, you like to find the little things.
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Yeah, yeah.
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One of the things I'm most excited about visiting in Canton is uh a place called the Troll Hole, which is apparently the country's largest troll museum.
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Uh, I'm really excited about it.
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I'm sorry you're gonna say the world's the country's largest troll hole.
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I didn't know that was a that was a competition that was happening.
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One of the other things they're gonna show me is Frankenstein's grave, and I can't even like conceptualize what that could possibly be.
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And I intentionally haven't looked it up so I can be surprised.
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Um, and then they're gonna have I I I said one of the things that I'm interested in is street art, and so they're gonna have one of the owners of a gallery there take me on a tour of all the street art of Canton.
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Like, I think it's gonna be really fun, like I'm really excited.
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And uh good.
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And I was just gonna say, and I've never had anybody send a car for me, and that's just gonna be weird.
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Yeah, uh you're a travel blogger now, you know, for real.
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And in the same vein, um, you have been invited to a festival in Nebraska, a Swedish festival, Swedish festival in Nebraska.
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Yes.
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That just that just happened today as I was asking permission to use pictures from their website.
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And if you listen to uh uh Reasonably Afraid, they one of the movies that they covered was Midsalmer.
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Oh, one of my favorite Ray Reyes pronounces it Midsalmer.
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I can't hear it in any other way now because of him.
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Uh and so uh Jackie wrote an article and asked for some pictures, and the lady that is is very tied into it has basically invited her and said she would be the personal escort throughout it.
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Uh so eventually uh Jackie's going to be spending mid-salmer in uh in Nebraska.
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So and uh not just anybody, she is a former former Swedish queen.
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Like she was a Swedish queen one year at the Swedish festival, so that's a pretty big deal.
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You know, I was queen once.
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You are a Swedish queen.
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That's wrong.
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Hey, that's insane that uh that there's a lady out there in Nebraska who was a queen of a country.
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That seems wrong.
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That seems like you should have like a mansion somewhere in Sweden that you're staying.
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Oh wait, you for real?
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Like she was an actual Swedish queen, or she was just a queen of the queen of the Swedish festival in Bromsburg, Nebraska.
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Queen of Midsommer.
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Yeah, the Midsommer Swedish queen.
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The festival queen.
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What if this what if this festival in Nebraska is just like laying in the grass and doing mushrooms, though?
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Hey, whatever, man.
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Seems like Nebraska has more figured out than the other states, maybe.
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I will say that uh sorry, uh as I learn more and more about the Midwest, every state has something cool about it.
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But uh Mickey wants to move on, so let's move on.
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I could talk about this forever.
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How you doing, Christian?
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How are things in Christianville?
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Uh, you know, uh uh about to start uh a new, an exciting new job and uh trying to fix an exciting old truck.
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That is what's happened in my life.
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And shelves.
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Always shelves, always more shelving.
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Soon behind me will be nothing but shelves and the things I finally got off the ground and and on them.
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There are there are a lot of people that just completely discount the the necessity and the value of horizontal space.
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Like I was working for many years.
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I have so much junk, like I need to spread my stuff out to find like I know where everything is if it's spread out, but as soon as I pack like as soon as I put it in a backpack, it is gone.
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If I put it in a closet, it's gone.
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If I put it in a drawer, it never existed.
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So I need horizontal space.
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I I need to get more shelves, I need to cover like every single wall, like every two inches up the wall.
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I need space, a shelf that way.
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I could just lay everything out and know where everything is.
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Like they could they could slide out so you could like look at everything on them and then just slide them back in.
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No, it would disappear in my brain.
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Oh, it would have to be visible.
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And do you ever think to yourself, like, how much of this wall could I cover in pegboard?
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It would be awesome.
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Uh, I know like my father had um a garage, and at one point we redid the kitchen, and he took all the old kitchen shelves and put them in the garage, and then everything, everything that wasn't covered by the old kitchenette or the kitchen shelves and stuff, he put up pegboard, and it was just pegboard everywhere.
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And then when he became a uh uh locksmith, he got more pegboard and it was filled with keys.
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Like I think my sister, uh, after after she cleaned up the house after his after he passed away, uh, I think she said it was a uh 14 cubic ass tons of keys that she had to get rid of.
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And she just I was like, Did you melt them down and stuff?
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And she's like, No, I just I had to get rid of them.
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It was just so many keys.
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Surrender them to the key man.
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How are things in Mickey Town?
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Uh looking up, hopefully, uh I might start teaching uh and actually turn the professor house into the professor's house.
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So we'll see how that turns out.
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Yeah, unintentionally.
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Um, so uh I guess uh yeah, uh big shout out to uh Zach again from uh Reasonably Afraid.
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Uh he's editing the shows.
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Uh right now we haven't released anything, so if you're listening to this, you've listened to the stuff that we've released, so it's kind of a time warpy thing.
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But at this point, we just recorded a bunch of stuff, and I started trying to think of how to edit, and like I can't listen to myself talk for two hours.
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Like, I know I'm asking a lot for other people to listen to me talk for two hours, but I can't listen to myself.
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Um, it's it's one of the reasons I don't have uh a chain on sanity right now is because I'm alone a lot traveling and whatever, and I can't talk to myself.
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Uh, if I could talk to myself, I'd have wonderful conversations because I know I I know a lot of shit.
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I just uh I can't listen to myself talk sometimes.
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So having someone else edit your stuff is amazing, and I have so much appreciation for Zach.
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He's got a lot of merch, a lot of cool he has some of the coolest merch ever.
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So also check that out at Reasonably Afraid.
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Um and check out the podcast.
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It isn't just a horror podcast, it is a lot of deep philosophy, a lot of um uh cinema.
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Like if you want to be educated on cinema uh and camera and stuff, he goes into all of that.
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So it is actually made like short films before, and I think Ray Reyes has been PA on stuff.
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Uh if not more.
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Apologies if I've unbined on the Rey Reyes uh story.
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Zach also at one time owned a whole ass video store.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like he's got the cinema background.
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Also, I mean, uh it's it's him, it's Ray, and then uh is it sometimes uh man?
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Is it Sean Sean?
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I I don't know.
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Yeah, there's sometimes a Sean.
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Yes, okay, so it is it's Shawnee my soul or whatever that I've seen on on threads, but he's great.
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Uh all three of those guys are incredible, like just hilarious dudes by themselves.
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And so together them talking about this thing that they love a lot and have like sort of made helped make in in certain cases, and like Zach's owned the video store.
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So it's like you couldn't probably get closer to like a clerk's podcast, and I mean that with all the love in the world uh than this one.
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It's great.
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So so yeah, definitely check out that.
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And um, like I know Jackie, whenever we start releasing all this, you've probably already listened and read a few of them already, but she's gonna include a lot of stuff that she loves.
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So, you know, check out our blog associated with this podcast, and like we're we're not trying to push anything on you, none of these people are paying for us to talk about them.
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These are absolutely things that we love, yeah, and we want to share them with you, so take it with that nugget of salt.
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Uh, yeah, and take it in the in the vein that it is we're putting out uh appreciation and love to as many people as we can because that is who we are, because we're autistic and and well, I'm autistic, and Jackie's autistic.
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I I can't grew up on the mean streets of Central Florida, yeah.
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So it's like uh we're like a gang unto ourselves.
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The question posed is Is the Warriors movie a popular moop?
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And there's a lot of things that go into there, and a lot of reasons why the answer is yes and no, and the kind of it it gets really foggy, and there's a lot of politics and a lot of uh stuff in there.
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Um when I first witnessed it, uh I thought it was one of those ones where you know it was like a one-hit wonder uh from a group, but as we dug in, we found out that this was made by a serious team.
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This was a serious crew, and most of the people that were involved, not so much in front of the camera, but behind the camera and you know, the crews and stuff, turned out some amazing, amazing stuff, and and most of the Hollywood stuff that children of the 80s and 90s love and and are very, very attached to are because of the people that are uh involved in making of the Warriors.
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Um, so I I don't even know where to start.
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Uh I guess how we became aware of the Warriors uh is kind of a fun story.
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Um the Warriors is is po the the popularity of the Warriors for a lot of reasons is due specifically to word of mouth.
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And uh the way Jackie and I discovered it was exactly word of mouth.
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Um I had recently become single, and uh because it was kind of depressing to go to an empty house all alone, I found a restaurant that I enjoyed one of the dishes at, and I would stop after work and have dinner there, and then go home and and drink a couple bottles of wine and pass out and wake up in the morning.
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Uh, you know, depressing.
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Uh, but uh after Jackie and I started uh dating and hanging out and stuff, uh she was like, I want to see the the restaurant that you eat at.
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I was like, it's just it's a chain restaurant, but it's on the way home, no big deal.
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And uh I love loving things, yeah.
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It was the uh the Orlando Orlando alehouse.
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Uh and so I took her there and we sat out on the balcony, or not the balcony, the the uh the outside porch patio, and there was a guy that had uh stopped there after work and he had a few beers, and he was um, I'm guessing, based on his uh heavy accent, was from New York.
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Uh specifically, he was from the Bronx.
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The Bronx.
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Um he something set it off in his head that he remembered a movie.
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He didn't know much about it, he knew very little of the plot, didn't know anyone that starred in it, didn't know who made it or anything like that.
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But it was filmed in the Bronx, filmed in the Bronx.
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Like the whole thing, they filmed in the Bronx.
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Like, you ever heard of this movie?
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Like, hey, hey, you know this movie, they filmed it in the Bronx, and I'm like for like 30 minutes, like no exaggeration.
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And at that, like, so before there was IMDB, I owned the movie Hound books, and my roommate owned another type of book that was like the movie.
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Essentially was just an almanac of every movie ever made and a short description of it and some of the people that starred in it and stuff like that.
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Uh while I was in the middle uh of the ocean, um the people that were in the the watch room that I was in as we were you know monitoring the nuclear reactor, um, we played uh the the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
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And so and we were we were good.
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Like like we could go hours and hours, we could link anybody.
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Part of my brain is linking things together, uh, hence everything is connected.
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And like we would we would like tip pick two actors and we would run them through, connect them to Kevin Bacon, and then run them back out.
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So we had an encyclopedic knowledge of movies, and my mom had run a blockbuster video for many years, and at the time they were allowed four videos out at one time, not four videos a day, but they could have four videos out at one time.
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So I would go when she opened and get four videos, run home, watch them, come back, and get some more in.
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I miss having that much time and attention.
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And like uh, I had discussed how my dad and the neighborhood dads ripped off and we had HBO for free.
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So I was I I was just I was like uh uh number five in short circuit.
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I just needed input, and movies were away like I couldn't read, which uh ADHD was crippling in that aspect, but being able to watch a movie, it transfixed me, and I could get all of the information into my brain.
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So, like, I have been a movie junkie in the deepest sense of like almost a heroin addict level type junkie when it came to movies, and I had just never heard of like I couldn't figure out I listed every movie that dealt with the Bronx, and this guy's like, nah, that's not it, that's not it.
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It was filmed, you don't understand, it was filmed in the Bronx, like they were not rumbling.
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And so I love this guy.
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His passion for this movie inspired Jackie and us to dive in deep, and this was many, many years like uh 10-15 years ago.
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Like 15 years ago.
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So we dug in and dug in and dug in and were like, maybe this was it, and uh it just so happened to uh uh release on on Netflix, and we sat down and watched it, and we were like, Oh my god, this is the movie that he was talking about.
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This is amazing.
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How many seconds did you make it before you were like this is great when we Art Strong?
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When we rewatched it the other night in anticipation of this, I paused it at three minutes and I was like, I'm gonna pause it here and say, Yes, this is a great movie.
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And then Mickey had to remind me that the question was not, is the Warriors a good movie, but is it a popular movie?
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But I think immediately it's great.
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Yeah, what blew my mind about the Warriors is at that time, um, I was we were both like pretty voracious Jim Phillips and the Phillips file listeners, and in his intro, he had fucking Cyrus in the intro.
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I think right it was just Soul Brother Kevin.
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I get them con I not I don't get Jim Phillips and Soul Brother Kevin confused.
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They all look alike.
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.519
I get the intro is confused, but he's doing the Cyrus thing, yeah.
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And it just blew my mind.
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I'm like and there were like other references and other places you're like, this shit is in the ether, like I've been absorbing.
00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.200
This movie, my entire life, and I finally get to experience it.
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:04.559
It was really exciting.
00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:10.480
And like the first watch we were doing, like, as soon as he said that, it was like, Oh, I get that reference.
00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.240
And then a few minutes later, it's like, oh, I get that reference.
00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:16.880
Oh, okay, I get that reference.
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:33.359
And it just unraveled, and it's like people that we have loved watch, uh, people we loved watch people we loved, we had been watching them do Warriors reference most of our lives.
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:48.240
We just didn't realize it because we had never seen the Warriors, and in uh in the span of an hour and a half, it was like this title wave crashing into a black hole and just exploding.
00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:56.799
And it's like, oh my god, all those references, all those people have watched this movie and they got the same thing from this movie that we did.
00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.599
Now we understand what the hell they're talking about.
00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:07.920
It was a good line in and of itself, whenever Family Guy was making a reference, but now it just makes so much more sense.
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:25.680
And whenever The Simpsons did it, it was just it was funny in and of itself, but now it's even 10 times funnier because they're referencing this and it has a special, like just touching on it, you have to say it has a lot deeper meaning, not just a good throwaway line.
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:31.200
So it was uh it was kind of like an explosion of flavor, as it were.
00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:44.400
Like when you bite into like uh the gum that has the the gooey center or the liquid center, and you're like, and like, whoa, there's so much more to this.
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.000
Holy crap.
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:49.920
Um, so to random guy at bar.
00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:51.119
Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:59.839
Um, because it inspired like we started asking a couple of the other people, and they were like, Yes, I love the warriors, I love the wars.
00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:05.440
And it's like so it was one of those things that no one talked about until everyone started talking about it.
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:11.440
And um we there's a there's a bar that we frequented called Rogue Pub.
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:20.480
It used to be Rogue Pub, but uh they got sued by Rogue Beer and just changed the G to a Q and it worked.
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.640
And um that's actually really funny.
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.400
I think it was a clean way to fix the problem on her part.
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.079
Just break off the tip of the G there and you're good to go.
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:53.759
Then we uh uh we were, I guess I I would say friends, good friends with the owner, and not to brag or anything like that, but um we asked her if she was doing anything on a Saturday, like a certain Saturday afternoon, and she was like, the bar's all yours, you can do whatever you want.
00:24:54.079 --> 00:25:17.279
Um, and we organized a art festival for Warriors art, and we got a lot of Orlando, like at the time Jackie was working for the Orlando Weekly, so she was in touch with a lot of artists of the Orlando zone, and um like some of the best ones, like I won't say which one was the best one or whatever, but they were all fantastic.
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:34.480
But uh, the ones I can remember, uh, there Crummy Gummy uh runs the uh City Arts Redefine at City Arts uh right underneath uh SAC Improv uh Factory or whatever you want to call it.
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:45.759
Um and he had made a Darth Vader mask out of 10,000 gummy bears, like he glued 10,000 gummy bears together to make a Darth Vader mask.
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.279
That's how he got introduced.
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:52.000
That's how he introduced himself to the Orlando art scene was by making art with gummy bears.
00:25:52.319 --> 00:26:08.640
And he uh he took he set up a picture of a mini uh basically a Barbie sliding word, and the war uh the um the ultimate warrior uh wrestling doll.
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:18.319
He put that in front of the thing, and he entitled his uh painting or his picture uh Warriors Come Out to Play.
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.480
And it was absolutely fantastic.
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:33.359
Uh one of the uh I guess more uh intricate pieces was uh was it Lemus that did the the map?
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.599
That was Lu with the broken frame.
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.400
Oh, okay, yeah.
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:38.160
Loose Sky, yeah.
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:51.359
Basically took a map of the subway system and just did kind of a collage with some painting and different pieces and just a very intricate, amazing piece.
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.559
And uh, like that was the first piece to get sold.
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.440
Like it like someone walked in the door and said, I want it.
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:06.880
Yeah, and the guy that came to buy it, his name was Joshua, and ever since then, uh we would see him at like art events, and it was just like a really cool moment.
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:12.319
Like I we became friends after that, and he's still I still like his stuff on Instagram, he still likes my stuff on Instagram.
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.079
He's still very much into the art scene, and it makes me happy that we know that guy.
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:22.880
Uh, and then we have a piece of uh who's the who's the the lady character in The Warriors?
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.400
Mercy.
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:25.440
Mercy.
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:34.559
Uh Boy Kong did a beautiful, beautiful rendition of Mercy on a string, and it is just it's a fantastic piece.
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:39.680
Um I I still maintain that he's the most talented visual artist to come out of Orlando.
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.839
He's so fucking talented.
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:53.759
And um Brendan O'Connor, who is at the uh Orlando Shine uh magazine, uh his brother Patrick uh uh Patrick O'Connor.
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.759
Sorry, um my brain is shifting gears.
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:06.000
Uh Patrick O'Connor did a wonderful um cartoon version of the Warriors running down the down the alley.
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:19.200
Um so it was just we had a whole bunch of different pieces that came and like the bar owner bought one of the one of the pieces and and put it right up on the wall as soon as she bought it.
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:26.240
So it was just an amazing event that not enough people went to, but it was more than the art too.
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:31.680
We had like an old uh video game console set up so people could play the Warriors game if they wanted to.
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:36.160
We had theme drinks, we had like other auctions and stuff.
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:41.519
I'm pretty sure I made some sort of lollipops to go with that, even though I don't remember what flavors they could have possibly been.
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.880
Um there was a lot going on, it was a good time.
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:50.079
I'm glad you brought up the the video game because that is actually where I heard about this film.
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:50.880
Oh, yeah.
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.559
Let me hit let's hear about your first time.
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:59.279
Yeah, uh, it was literally like uh I was I was looking up when this came out, it was 2005.
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:11.440
Yeah, and it was made by Rockstar, and I want to say that that was it was between GTAs for sure, uh, but it was definitely like this thing.
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:18.319
Basically, Rockstar is one of those companies that it's like they made Max Payne and they made uh uh Grand Theft Auto.
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.480
Obviously, people were were hyped for anything Grand Theft Auto.
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:35.680
So when they're like, Oh, we're gonna make this, we're gonna make this game that we're really uh excited about, and then it was like it's a retelling of the 1979 cult film The Warriors.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:43.440
I think there's a lot of people in the gaming community that were like, What are you talking about?
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.599
Is that what do you what is that?
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:53.920
And then of course, you know, I immediately go over to whatever video YouTube at the time, and I'm like, Oh, Warriors come out and play.
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:55.359
I've heard this.
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.079
I've heard this, like, can you dig it?
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.640
I've heard the Warriors come out, the the come out and play, especially.
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Uh, and so that's when you go, oh, okay, this is like some kind of underground thing.
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:14.160
And then I like went to the library and and rented it, and uh, and yeah, it's it's a super interesting film.
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:24.319
I'll wait until we're actually talking about the film itself, but it's you you understand why Rockstar chose to because they make these big epic kind of things.
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.279
That's kind of what they've definitely become known for.
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:36.880
And so when you hear like, oh, 1979, like New York gang crime thing, but it's like I think it's like the Odyssey.
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.119
This film is kind of weirdly like the Odyssey.
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:40.079
Oh, yeah.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:40.880
Uh uh.
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.240
It's like a it it is, it's not exactly the odd.
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.200
There's another um hold on, I'll find it.
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:56.799
It's another Greek tale about a group that goes to Cyrus and they get trapped behind enemy lines and have to escape.
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.640
But oh, literally Cyrus.
00:30:58.880 --> 00:30:59.279
Yeah.
00:30:59.440 --> 00:30:59.920
Oh, okay.
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.680
So it's like I didn't even know that.
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.759
It just felt very like Argonauts getting lost on their way.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:16.640
Uh there, they they go to this conclave, yeah, and then something happens, and then they they have to make a dangerous journey back to their home uh base, basically.
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.200
The tale is called Anabasis, also known as the Persian Expedition.
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:21.599
Yeah.
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.559
Oh, okay.
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.480
I would have never guessed it.
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.200
We only know that because we watched several documentaries this weekend.
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.319
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:39.920
Um, but yeah, yeah, it was uh the uh the the author of the book um based it on that and was like, hey, no one's gonna know.
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:45.680
Uh it's so awesome because I it was based on a book, like initially.
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.279
Yes, yes.
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:57.359
It's it's because a lot of times when you're making a movie, you go, well, structurally this won't make sense because we have to wrap this up in two hours.
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:11.039
Uh so the fact that like even before I was like a really film watching guy, I mean I liked watching movies, but I I would be like, that was neat to look at for two hours.
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.799
Uh and and I would I would have like, did I like it or no?
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:15.519
You know.
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:43.599
Uh but like to to for so for for the theme, for the structure and the like vibe of a Greek epic to come through in that movie to a dum dumb at that time like me, like you know, it just it feels much it's a movie about like 1970s New York, but it's it's all it also makes sense why it was a video game because the gangs are all just like they they're uniform based.
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:54.319
It's like theme and uniform, it's not racial, which for a movie set in 1979 seems like super progressive for them to just be like, this has zero.
00:32:54.480 --> 00:33:00.880
We're like, I mean, there's some uh there's groups that get their slurs, don't worry about that.
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:09.440
Uh it's a movie from 1979, but it's um remarkable in that like immediately there's black people, Hispanics, whites, like just all hanging out.
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:21.599
Uh, and the the the conflict is not based on that, it's based on these territorial gang affiliations, which are like based on like baseball and our little lines, you know.
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.400
Our little piece of turf.
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:25.359
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.599
10 square feet, yeah.
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:32.480
Uh, but it's it's interesting because and so that almost helps break it out of this.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:41.519
It feels more like a play, it feels more like a a parable almost, because it's you know, it's or or like Lord of the Rings.
00:33:41.599 --> 00:34:12.559
It's like there's nine guys from like the 12 gangs of New York, which are all these fantastical, you know, the Warriors is like the least uh bombastic or flamboyant of the of the groups, you know, there's like straight up mime gangs, it's it's great, and they just they're trying to make their way back and they keep on running into these awesome characters that are introduced with like almost uh like like horror movie uh uh shots like shot composition.
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:24.559
And going back to the the the Greek analogy, like the the there's the scene of basically the call of the sirens uh that pull them into dangerous territory.
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.639
Uh like one gets arrested and the others get almost killed.
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:42.719
Uh so you know it has everything, like it basically it is uh it is a Greek tragedy whenever you you come out to it, or a Greek adventure tragedy, but it is exactly what it is.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:48.320
Like they did everything they set out to do, and they did it phenomenally well.
00:34:48.719 --> 00:35:09.280
Um and again, uh it is like it was a pop, it should have been much, much pop, much more popular, uh, but there was uh you know marketing, they went full bore and said, here are the the gangs of the night.
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:26.000
So competing gangs showed up at the theater, and instead of just sitting down and watching the movie and understanding what the movie was trying to tell them of join forces, it's not us against them, it's not you against me, it's us against them.
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:34.559
Um the gangs started some some ruckus, and you know, I think there were these are actual gangs?
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.599
Yeah, oh yeah.
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:40.480
The whenever the movie came out, actual gangs in New York and actual gangs in LA.
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:46.559
Uh hey, yo, Tony, let's go watch his fucking movie about gangs.
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.119
I'd like to be educated on the subject.
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.400
Yeah, we should go see it.
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.000
It was filmed in the Bronx.
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:54.719
That guy's dad.
00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:05.280
But during but during the movie, fights ensued and there were a couple uh deaths involved, uh, and that caused a media backlash.
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:12.639
Uh the critics uh didn't under I don't think any of the the critics didn't watch it with a film eye.
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.039
They just said, oh, it's another gang movie.
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:16.880
Yeah.
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:27.760
Uh there the this time period in movie making the 19 late 70s, there was a giant slew of of gang movies.
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:34.079
I mean, it was uh the height of black exploitation, so there was a lot of gang movies in that genre.
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:40.480
Um, so they were looking at it as a basically uh umhouse type movie.
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.840
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:54.880
Uh and so they just kind of discounted that and they looked at oh, here's someone, you know, here's a couple guys dressed up with mimes with top hats, and here's a couple people in Yankees uniforms with painted faces.
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:55.760
What is this crap?
00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:07.280
See, to me, that would be as a critic, that's the part that like I feel would stand out because if everyone else was doing gangs and stuff, I assume they're basing that on like real crime at the time.
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:21.199
You're kind of playing it a little more straight, where it's like, here's this this uh gang of a certain type of ethnicity that has cornered kind of this area, you know, like you're departed, you're you know, you're Irish gangs, you're Italian gangs, that kind of thing.
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.639
And like, uh, if I see Mines, I'm like, hold on, what's this?
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.719
Like as a critic in 1979, I'm like, this is style, you know.
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:30.239
The French are here.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.519
Especially at that time, critics didn't really understand camp.
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.039
And I would 100% put the Warriors in that category.
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.159
I think it's camp.
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.039
They didn't know what it was, it was just bad movie to them.
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:41.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.559
Yeah, I I think like a more elevated camp.
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:51.760
Like they they did they included way too much, I think, for the critics to appreciate.
00:37:52.000 --> 00:38:14.639
Like the the critics needed a at the time, the critics were very serious, and they they were like, what kind of looking at a lens of what is the Midwest going to like, and try to gear it towards a like Gene Shallot was very much speaking the voice of the Midwest, and it's like, oh, the lady from Nebraska's not gonna like this.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.519
Ah, it's gonna be a terrible movie.
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.079
I think the warriors should come out and stay home or whatever.
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.159
He's gonna think stupid lines.
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.360
Go back to Coney Island and stay there, right?
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:28.000
You're right.
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:35.599
I kind of love Gene Shalid if for nothing, just like how corny and like when he's wrong, he's like really wrong, but he still wants to make his little pun, you know.
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:44.559
Um, and we know someone that was growing up in uh he was kind of younger at the time.
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:51.039
Uh probably like he's my age, so probably uh first, second grade, whenever this movie came out.
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.800
But he lived in the Bronx.
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.119
He lived in the Bronx, and like um what is the the movie about rap?
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.039
Um, the heights.
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:01.760
Oh, the get down.
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.800
Ah, so good.
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.519
Uh so the get down is uh another great uh it was a series on Netflix, I believe.
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:09.920
Yeah, two season series should be so many more.
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.199
It was fucking excellent.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:19.360
And it goes through the rise of hip-hop, which you know coincides with the rise of uh punk, which coincides with the rise of the gang movies.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:34.800
And uh so he had an older brother that was actually uh our friend that was six years old at the time, uh, had an older brother that was actually involved in one of these types of gangs that was represented in in the movies.
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:41.599
And he said it was kind of like aside from the funny clothes and and costuming, it was pretty accurate.
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:49.840
It was like every all these gangs were, you know, uh from this from this corner uh to this corner, this is our turf.
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:55.760
And if you're gonna come across it, you gotta ask permission, you gotta, you know, take your colors off, or or whatever.
00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:10.719
So, in that sense, it was very realistic in in the depiction of how gangs were dividing up the city and spreading every you know, everyone had to have a gang, or because if you got caught on your own, you got your ass kicked.
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.199
Yeah, New York, very violent city, gang-ridden city for a long time.
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:23.599
There was a stereotype, and it's funny because I feel like now the care they've done good job, the marketing of New York City.
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.760
Uh, and also I guess everyone who's dropped the crime rate and stuff.
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.760
I mean, like, it's a very safe city now.
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:35.360
Uh, it's like known as a safe city, I think, uh, except to like really, really out of touch people.
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:46.960
Um, and but like that is because it still has that reputation with those people, because for a while it was just I mean, it was like the Joker ran the fucking city for in the 70s, right?
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.800
And maybe the the early 80s.
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:54.239
I don't know, whenever I don't know what the what the precipitating factor is, but like it got better.
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.519
And before it was, it was yeah, this is probably pretty close, except for the the flamboyance of it.
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:24.000
And a lot of it, uh a lot of it went from okay, we're in an Irish neighborhood, and the cops don't like the Irish, or they're not set to protect the Irish, so the Irish ganged up and protected their neighborhood, and the blacks, completely not protected by the police at the time, or ever, uh, gather together to protect their own.
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:45.360
And then, you know, there's some Slovakians, some Russians, some uh some Polish, you know, each each little you you come over to the country uh and you find your community, and you you don't look for the best real estate, you look where your actual community is, you find your department and you start hanging around them.
00:41:45.519 --> 00:42:03.119
Like uh Saturday Night Live or Saturday Night Fever is actually a gang movie, and it like uh um John Travolta's character was a member of the gang, but he liked going out on Saturday night to dance.
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:36.880
But deep down it was a gang movie, um, because the Italians hung out with Italians, because that's what you did, because you it just there was that certain comfort, but then because of drugs, uh heroin, cocaine at the time, you know, heroin and cocaine started uh rising up and because it was a very profitable business, and so then it became extra more territorial, and expansion is like capitalism wants to expand, and if and drug deal drug dealing is part of capitalism.
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:44.239
The part of the movie where like Gimme Shelter is playing over a montage of them making a lot of money from drugs, yeah.
00:42:44.480 --> 00:43:09.440
And it and if you are selling all of your drugs and you want to sell more because you have uh more business, you know, you have more business associates to you, you know, you recruit and you recruit and you recruit, and then it gets to an unsustainable level, so then you have to expand and push out, and then you start stepping on someone else's turf, and then you have a turf war.
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.239
And so, you know, capitalism is always going to cause death.
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:19.599
So there's no other way to put it, but capitalism causes death.
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.159
So does communism, but you know, that's another story.
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.719
Yeah, but before that we get iPods.
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:27.119
Just to earn it.
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.880
Just to give an idea of how proliferate the gangs were at that time.
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:46.079
Uh, during the filming of this movie, the film trucks were protected by an actual gang called the Mongrels, and they got paid five hundred dollars a day to protect the film trucks from other gangs.
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:59.519
Wow, that's uh 'cause like when you it almost sounds now like they had to change it from being ethnic gangs to for their own protection.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:10.159
Couldn't actually tell the story as it was because then that would be like, I mean, like, I think it's brilliant the way it's like sort of abstracted through the the themes, you know.
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.199
Uh, but now I'm almost wondering, were they like we were like, we're gonna do the the Moggles?
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.480
Like, the fucking hell you will, you know, but we'll we'll defend you from the other guys.
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:21.760
Movie seems cool.
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:38.159
There was another story that they had put up a piece of graffiti, and they painted over a gang's graffiti, and the gang was not too happy about it.
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:51.840
And to make amends, the uh filmmakers hired them as extras to basically give them a paycheck and you know filter money to them uh as an apology, and everything was right now.
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.079
This the the making of this movie almost seems as interesting as this movie does.
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:05.199
Um I I think if they made like a Heart of Darkness about the Warriors, it would be fantastic.
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:05.760
Oh, yeah.
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:11.280
Heart of Darkness being the documentary about Apocalypse now for those people who are not movie dorks like me.
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:11.920
Yeah.
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:17.679
Um another really big uh uh uh bugbear of a production, if memory screws.
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:44.159
Uh so so yeah, at the time, you know, the the rising of the gang movies is coming up, and at this particular time, uh so filming in 1978, uh Paramount heard rumors that another studio was getting ready to release a gang movie, and that gang movie uh we talked about last week called The Wanderers.
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:45.760
Yeah, we watched that.
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.320
Uh, I got to meet the Baldies and the Duckies and all of the people.
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.119
Okay.
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.519
Were those real gangs?
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:54.239
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.400
Well, they were based on some of them were based on real.
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:05.199
I think most of those most of the ones in the Wanderers were closely based on uh real gangs.
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.360
I think the Ducky Boys were actually a real gang.
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.039
Ducky Boys sounds uh familiar, yeah.
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:34.880
And um unf it it's kind of it's what it's a the way I equated it is if um the I guess the Wanderers would be the DC universe and uh the Warriors kind of more gritty and kind of more to the point uh would be the uh Marvel universe.
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:41.199
So very two two very similar movies, but very different movies, yeah.
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:50.320
In that same aspect as every hero in the DC universe has a counterpart in the X-Men universe in some sort of way.
00:46:50.400 --> 00:47:00.159
It's kind of not a one-for-one exchange, but very close, and you kind of they're both the same kind of thing, but they're different in their own in a special sort of way.
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.320
And whenever one, you love it.
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:10.719
Whenever you look at their publication history, it always goes back to some kind of lawsuit or argument with a comic company that's no longer around.
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.360
Like, well, he was based off of the Chilton comics.
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:14.800
You're like, who's Chilton?
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.159
They won, I guess.
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.079
Guess we don't want that one.
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:26.719
Um, so this was so, and this was an effort to actually make movie.
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.559
This wasn't some uh film nerd's passion project.
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.599
This was a studio movie that had full support.
00:47:33.679 --> 00:48:01.440
They had radio ads, they had TV ads, but because I said again, because of the violence and the the the pearl clutching of everybody, uh, they pulled all of their advertising off the radio and uh pulled all the advertising off of the television, and they kind of damped down their uh print ads to just the name of the movie and where it was playing.
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:11.519
So it came down to word of mouth, uh, and it was still pretty amazingly popular uh for the short run.
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:28.239
Like they shortened all the runs of all the like they because theater owners got scared because of the first couple of outbreaks of violence, uh the studio released a lot of people from their contracts of hey, you have to show it this many times.
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:37.039
So it didn't get showed as much, but it still made uh I think like ten times the amount of money that they made it for.
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:43.840
Um they had really good box off numbers, box office numbers despite not being advertised.
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:55.599
Uh, and then it just kind of once it left, I don't think it hit television, so it never got that secondary boost until it hit until like later on.
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.280
Yeah, and you know, it's interesting.
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:02.719
Everything it was all film, so it's like uh distributing was a was a cost.
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:03.760
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:10.639
So it's like uh there this is the era of cult movies because once it's gone, it's gone.
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:24.239
And then it's literally down to like some guy from the Bronx who remembers it for being filmed in the Bronx to be nothing else, to be the torchbearer for 20 years until it gets like a VHS release or something.
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:30.719
Somebody like bothers to go through the the library and they're like, Okay, well, we're what are we uh what are we putting out?
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.880
Okay, well, we'll obviously we're gonna put the hits out.
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:33.280
What's this?
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.159
So the Warriors?
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:35.440
Okay.
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:37.599
No one's gonna watch that.
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.800
We'll throw it, we'll do a shitty transfer and we'll throw it on V.
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:47.840
The budget was between six and seven million, and they earned 22.4 million at the at the initial box office run.
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:48.800
That's more than number.
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.719
Gotta make double your double.
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.840
You assume double the the budget for uh marketing, and that's break-even.
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.960
And so that sounds uh that's almost like three times.
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.800
That's yeah, or a little over three times.
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.599
So did did some numbers.
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.400
Yeah, I was looking at the violence that everyone was kind of clutching their pearls around.
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.159
And I and I was correct, I had to check.
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.639
This is this is the year that both Alien and Apocalypse Now came out.
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.719
Um both very uh Alien had some people.
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.840
I think Alien did have people writing letters to 20th Century Fox.
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.440
I don't know about Apocalypse Now.
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.239
Uh it's just funny what makes it and what doesn't, kind of based on popularity and all that.
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:31.679
It's too real, I guess.
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.400
Alien was at least like that monster.
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.440
Yeah, it's it's imaginary, it's not gonna happen.
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.400
But um, it's kind of funny that you bring up aliens.
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:46.639
Uh earlier I said that you know this wasn't just some film nerd trying to do a passion project.
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:55.119
This was these were heavy hitters uh with layers and levels of of talent.
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:03.360
Um, the director and and the guy who wrote the screenplay adapted from the book uh is Walter Hill.
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:10.639
And Walter Hill is the producer of every alien movie ever created.
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:17.119
He is the producer of 48 hours, which launched Eddie Murphy's career into the stratosphere.
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.960
Like Eddie Murphy was bound for glory one way or the other, but 48 hours.
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:31.199
Eddie Murphy is the only cast member on Saturday Night Live to host Saturday Night Live while he was a cast member.
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:42.159
And he did that, um he did that be to promote 48 hours because it was such uh a big, big hit.
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:50.880
Um Walter Hill also like I get I could go through Zion DB and all that stuff, but uh he's also responsible for Tales from the Crypt.
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.559
Um hell yeah.
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.760
The gentleman who was the producer for this movie.
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:03.760
All right, so Walter Hill went from director of the Warriors to producing the aliens and a bunch of other stuff.
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:09.119
Um Frank Marshall was the producer of this movie.
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:16.880
And he is now he was invited in and became a partner in Amblin Entertainment.
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:23.280
And just to go really quickly, skip a few steps.
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:31.920
If there is a ride at Universal based on a movie, Frank Miller was probably or Frank Marshall was probably the producer of that movie.
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:32.880
E.T.
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.519
Back to the Future, etc., etc.
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:44.960
He's also the producer for The Sixth Sense, Seabiscuit, Jason Bourne movies, Sully, Indiana Jones, Mr.
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:51.599
Three Thousand, uh, Indian in the Cupboard, Tiny Tune Adventures, Hook, Cape Fear, Gremlins, Joe vs.
00:52:51.840 --> 00:53:02.000
the Volcano, Roger Rabbit, Money Pit, The Color Purple with Oprah Winfrey, The Goonies, and Poltergeist, and many, many, many more.
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:16.079
And the the guy who does the amazing music at the beginning, the uh he went on to win Oscar or Emmy after Emmy uh making music for soap operas.
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:24.639
Like there was a five-year period where he was nominated at least twice in the same category.
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:33.199
Like he like guiding light uh and um oh, I can't even remember what the the word as the world turned.
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:45.760
So, yeah, there was one, there was two years in particular, he was nominated three times and beat himself because no one else was in the category for him.
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.239
Um the set dresser worked on Raging Bull.
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:55.599
Um, there's a movie with Gilda Radner and her husband uh called Hanky Panky.
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:00.880
And uh seeing Gilda Radner and um Gene Wilder.
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.039
Gene Wilder on the screen together is an amazing treat.
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.840
Uh if you love comedy and if you love love, it's absolutely amazing.
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:18.639
Uh he was in Easy Money uh with uh Rodney Danger, or he sorry, he did the set dressing for uh easy money with uh Rodney Dangerfield.
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:25.199
Uh if you're familiar with uh a small movie called Superman, he did the set dressing for that.
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.519
Uh, and then he did a couple James Bond movies.
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:29.039
Is that the Donner Superman?
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:29.840
Richard Down?
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:30.639
The Donner.
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:41.039
And even like I could go on like uh the cinematographer uh did cinematography for Star Trek, um Inner Space.
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:47.360
Inner Space, First Blood, and I'll take classic inner space, and the newsies.
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:48.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.079
Newsies was his last movie, and you know, newsies is great.
00:54:52.320 --> 00:55:05.119
I think and the editing team uh did Logan's Run uh Saving Bikini Body, uh Saving Bikini Bottom, the Sandy Cheeks movie.
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:16.079
Uh a few years later, uh Nacho Libre, uh Miss Congeniality, uh and just on and on and on.
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.840
Like everybody involved in this except for the people that were on the screen.
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:30.159
Like the people on the screen did other things, but most of the like the crew behind the scenes are responsible for Hollywood uh in the 80s.
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:39.519
It's like I don't know if they had the good Coke and that's how they kept getting jobs, but like they got jobs and they worked and they made all kinds of movies.
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:48.400
So and set dressing, by the way, is like such a like an art that you don't think about because the art of it is to make people not think about it.
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:48.960
Uh-huh.
00:55:49.119 --> 00:56:02.559
Uh, and and I think like, yeah, you look at this movie and it's so like good at taking the claustrophobic New York, like everyone's pressed in and everything is like threatening and dark, yeah.
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.760
Uh and making it seem like both lived in and kind of like epic.
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.360
So, you know, like there's there's graffiti where there should be graffiti.
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:17.199
There's there's shit lying around where there should be shit lying around in a way that is unobtrusive.
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:21.199
And again, like if it wasn't there, you would go, something's wrong about this.
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:22.480
It doesn't look right.
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:36.480
One of my favorite bits of trivia about the way this movie was filmed is the cinematographer asked early on in filming if they could have like a scene where a lot of rain came down because he wanted to have the streets have a wet look so he could use specific lighting effects.
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:42.880
And I think it really the wet the streets being wet and like the light reflecting off it really worked for the movie.
00:56:43.840 --> 00:57:06.320
Um, we we watched some older gentleman discuss some of the set dressing, and it's one of those ones where it's either a brilliant old autistic man finding every little nugget Easter egg in the world, or a crazy old man who's just pointing at stuff.
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:06.800
Yeah.
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:23.360
Um but like there's there's a see there's a scene on the subway at the end where the the prom couples, the two prom couples get on the subway, and they're like the uh uh mercy or what's her name?
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:24.480
Mercy, yeah.
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.199
Uh is looking crazy.
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:39.440
And the word behind her is local, but everyone moves their head in such a way where it says loca, which means is Spanish for crazy lady.
00:57:39.679 --> 00:58:04.559
Um, and there's uh like what someone gives a speech and then runs down the subway hall, and there's a sign that kind of reflects the the sentiment of what he just said, and just one thing after another, he's pointing it out, and it's like you might be crazy, but you're making a lot of sense, fella.
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:06.320
You're just making a lot of sense.
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:19.360
So there's if you ever get bored and you run out of ways to watch the Warriors try to look at the background set dressing because they did a lot of work in putting everything together.
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:26.239
Um, I know you said that there weren't any really big actors that came out of this movie, but there are two notable people that I wanted to touch on.
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.599
Uh, one of them is the guy who played Ajax, James Remar.
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.920
That's Dexter's dad from Dexter.
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.159
And then the radio lady, dude.
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:37.199
Oh, go ahead, Mickey.
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:38.000
Oh, no, go ahead.
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:39.280
Oh, the radio lady.
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.440
Does anybody recognize the radio lady?
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:42.239
I didn't know.
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:47.119
I recognize her from uh I did when I looked her up, but I don't know from what.
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.000
I recognize her from Where in the World Is Carbon Sandiego.
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.239
It's the chief from Where in the World Is Carbon Sandiego.
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:55.920
She's great.
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.159
I I've always liked her for some reason.
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.719
She's got her voice is perfect for that.
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.039
Uh, and all they needed was her lips.
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:03.840
Like it was great.
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:08.639
It was supposed to originally be narrated by Orson Wells, and I'm glad that it wasn't.
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:22.880
And cut to our gangs moving swiftly through the streets of New York, the vapid uh just like uh no, this was way this is way better for the tone.
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.239
I think the other big place I know her from is Lean on Me.
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.280
I used to watch Lean on Me like once a month.
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:41.440
She's she's got an interesting the DJ is an interesting part because she's like this um, it's almost like in the epic where like a chapter would open with like the prophecy.
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:51.599
Like it you go, you open, you read, you go to the next chapter, and then instead of like what they're doing, it's like the next like canto of the the prophecy of their doom.
00:59:51.760 --> 01:00:04.880
So it sort of gives you this preview, and like that's almost her job is she like comes in at specific points to be like, and so here now the warriors will now face a different challenge, a different threat.
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:05.360
Yeah.
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:07.360
It's awesome.
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:13.519
And and it was originally supposed to have a comic book feel, like that was the original intent from the director.
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:17.280
Uh, but the studio executives are like, nah, no one's gonna be able to.
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:17.840
I don't get it.
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.519
Uh they did put it back in the director's cut.
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:32.320
Uh, so if you want to see it in its full glory, uh check out the director's cut because they have basically freeze frames and then switch and basically colored it in like it's a coloring uh comic book.
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:34.800
Man, you gotta let them do fun stuff like that.
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:35.119
Yeah.
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:51.599
And and that kind of goes into the you know, the like Stan Lee's little block of text explaining stuff, uh, kind of like in Spider-Man, it's like turn the page, and there's a block of text saying Spider-Man did this and this and this and this, and then go into the action.
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:58.639
So check out, check out ish 63 of Amazing Spider-Man to find out what happened to Doc Ark.
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:33.039
Um, and then going back to the the Wanderers versus the Warriors, um they in order to basically uh be first to market, essentially, uh, all of the editors that I discussed earlier locked themselves in in editing base, like they split into four different groups, and they were editing as much as they could, as fast as they could, trying to hit the February, I think it was February release date, in order to beat the June release date of the Wanderers.
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.400
Uh, and it worked.
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:47.920
Uh had the advertising, you know, had they not had to pull all their advertising and stuff, they would have buried it because when the wanderers came out, it suffered from oh, another gang movie.
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:48.159
Okay.
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:51.440
That's tough.
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.480
They really should have talked about that or something.
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:01.760
I I will say that we watched both the Wanders and the Warriors in the same day, and I still think the Warriors was better.
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:07.679
But one thing that I noted about both of these movies, and then it made me reflect on other gang movies that I've watched.
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:22.320
I would say that gang movies, the costumer has one of the most important jobs, and they do like both of these both the Warriors and the Wanders, I think, had really good costumes, and I think that gang movie costumers should get more credit.
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.239
End of speech.
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:53.840
Yeah, because it's not I mean, it's a uniform without being a uniform, and that's that's a really really fine line to walk, and a really tough I mean, because I know like all the uh the baseball Furies all had pinstripes, but um I I guess uh what what we had seen in one of the documentaries was that uh each of their face paints was based on a kiss album.
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:55.199
Oh yeah, awesome.
01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:12.960
And they just changed the color of it a little bit and and stuff like that, but the face paint is just a uh mimic of of kiss painting, but it gave each of them a similar tie type of facial expression, but each one was unique and different.
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:20.800
So it's it's in tying back to the Greek thing, the name the gang is the Furies, yeah.
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:22.000
Exactly.
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.039
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:35.599
Yeah, it's like yeah, it's all they it's all there, but but like the way it's the Furies for you know from Greek mythology, uh, but they're baseball guys based on kiss.
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.880
And it's like, how is this not?
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.599
I mean, the question is it popular?
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.800
You know, if you could ask a person, hey, do you like the Warriors?
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.679
They might have an opinion, and it's like it's reached a level.
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.239
There's a level that it's gotten to.
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.800
Well, it's almost what 40 years old?
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:54.639
That's like 38 years old now.
01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:03.119
So the fact that there's like so much, I don't know if it's just because it's so much in our orbit, but I feel like there's a name recognition with the Warriors.
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.320
It's something.
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:07.199
There's it's it's it's a database entry.
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:13.440
There might not be much data in the person's personal bank there, but like it's like hmm, the Warriors, yeah.
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.320
It was a the PlayStation game.
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Is that what that is that the same thing?
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You know?
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I think if they came out with a game now using modern gaming technology, it would be a banger.
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Beat 'em-ups, they should, yeah.
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I mean, they should bring them back.
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.039
Couch co-op, beat 'em ups, like final fight.
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If you look at it, this if you've ever played Final Fight, you will get a lot of final fight vibes from this.
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In the same, like, oh, here's the these type of bad guy.
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.719
Here's the this kind of bad guy in this level, you know.
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Here's the big guy that they have on their team that they bring out at the last minute, you know.
01:04:50.400 --> 01:05:00.000
It's very much like an escalation, just a journey with fights and escalation in just that exact it it's like reading a I don't know.
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.760
I guess Greek epics are also kind of lean into beat-em-ups.
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.159
They could probably honestly be a great beat-em-up.
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:08.960
And the we know Anabasis is.
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:14.559
So uh here's I just I just uh uncovered this.
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:26.719
Uh in let me see when did this uh there was a lady born in 1943 who wrote uh children's books during the Great Depression.
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Yeah, she's she wrote during the Great Depression and she released uh Greek uh book uh retelling all the Greek mythologies, and her last name is Turnbull.
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The AC Turnbulls.
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So I I don't know if that's an Easter like it's one of those crazy old guy things where it's like I don't know if that's an Easter egg or if it's just a funky coincidence, but based on the team that made this, it's quite possible that they actually named the AC Turnbulls.
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:06.960
Because of this lady writing Greek mythology, because the book or because the movie's based on Greek mythology and stuff like that.
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:12.800
So it's one of those things where yeah, I would love to sit down and just ask so many questions.
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:24.480
I think there are so many like little things when you go to you know, you talk about like the Jim Henson's creature shop, and like there are all these stuff that people make that where they don't they don't know if it's gonna be on screen for 20 minutes or 20 seconds.
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:30.719
And uh all the time, all the time, I feel like those guys are going, like, it would be funny if we put this in there.
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:52.719
If it'd be funny if we put like if we just gave him like a little cigarette in his in his hand, you know, there's all they because like it's like uh I feel like the the technical parts of of a film are one of those things that's like it's so undersung that if I'm working on it like it's an expression, you you want to act, you want it to gel with the movie first and foremost.
01:06:52.880 --> 01:07:01.119
But if there's any room to like put a little here you go, just a little bit, just just a little bit of personality in there.
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:08.000
If I can connect with two or three people, if if two or three people watch the movie and they catch this, yes, I'm happy.
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:08.880
I am thrilled.
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:20.079
It's like when when a when a when an obscure movie has like a reference to its even more obscure predecessor by the same director, you know, and like, oh, that's only for me.
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.039
That's only for me, a guy who would enjoy this.
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:34.079
Uh was it uh there were two horror directors that kept putting each other's posters on the wall back and forth.
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:37.199
Oh, I couldn't tell you that, but that's that's exactly the kind of thing.
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:44.880
I I think it was like hill the whoever did Hills Have Eyes, and I believe it might have been John Carpenter or something like that.
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.519
John Carpenter seems very fun.
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.880
Sam Raimi and Res Wes Craven.
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.320
Oh, okay.
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:55.679
Those guys are all right.
01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:59.199
Did you say one of them was the Hills has uh Hills Have Eyes guy?
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:00.239
Yeah, that what you said?
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:01.199
That's Wes Craven.
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:02.880
You were half right.
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:28.800
So, you know, it's it's one of those things where you know if you get one uh there's uh someone has a t-shirt of someone wearing the t-shirt of someone's face, and then they went back and forth, and it just became this the mirror in mirror kind of thing where it just goes on forever and it just it just keeps escalating into bigger and funnier things.
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.039
Um I love stuff like that.
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:47.039
So, you know, uh I'm the I'm the I'm the target or the audience for stuff like that because I will either find out about it through some of the shows that I watch uh on YouTube or deep dives on Wikipedia or IMDB.
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:53.119
Um so yeah, there's someone is getting your references, and it's me.
01:08:54.079 --> 01:09:00.880
Um and um so going back to the DJ, uh, I know I'm shifting gears all over the place.
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:14.079
Uh it was such an inspiring moment for Spike Lee that he copied it and put it into Do the Right Thing, uh, played by uh let me see, Mr.
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.479
Senior Love Daddy, played by Samuel L.
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.359
Jackson was the DJ in Do the Right Thing.
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And it was like during the filming, he's like, Have you ever seen the Warriors?
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.119
And Sam Jackson's like, Yeah, I've seen the Warriors.
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:28.239
He's like, do that.
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.239
And so he did it.
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:46.399
Um and I believe The Simpsons, like The Simpsons are has been written by Harvard uh nerds forever, uh just like Saturday Night Live.
01:09:46.640 --> 01:10:00.159
Um and most of those people are either rich enough or or lazy enough that they've watched every movie and got every reference, but the Simpsons has has done multiple, multiple references to it.
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:01.920
I know the Family Guy has done it.
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.560
Um I feel like the Simpsons did a whole episode.
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.319
Oh, yeah, they remember correctly.
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.399
They did a full-blown episode.
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:13.359
Community references it, referenced it in one of the paintball episodes.
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:32.399
So everybody that I love that has done movies and and whatever, uh kind of the weirdo sect of of movie making and stuff, which in general sense most of the weirdos that or most of the people that make movies are weirdos in one way or another.
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.520
Um, and weirdos collect and and weirdos put out the signal to each other.
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.960
It's kind of like a bat signal.
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:41.039
It's like uh come out and play.
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:42.720
It's like, oh, I get that, I get that.
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:45.840
We're on the same team here, brother.
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.760
Um, so that I love stuff like that.
01:10:50.000 --> 01:11:05.760
So I think the Warriors gave uh an entire gener, like mostly Generation X type people that I maybe it was on HBO or something like that uh for a short period of time, and everyone caught on to it and was like, ah, cool.
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:11.760
There was also the mom and pop video store where they had like one copy in the back and it was like, what is this?
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:12.319
I don't know.
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.319
Like take it home and watch it.
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:20.640
Now you have a whole new bevy of uh interests and and quotes to go by.
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.760
Yeah, I think the Warriors is for sure a good root ball.
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:34.720
Yes, yeah, it's because it there's just like it just one little one little nugget, and you're like, oh yeah, I know the whole thing.
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:40.560
Um but and and there's enough to chew on throughout the whole thing.
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:47.439
Um it it's it has this kind of seven-year-itch effect where like everybody knows the things.
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.439
Everybody knows the can you dig it?
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:59.680
Everybody knows the uh come out and play, but nobody knows what it is, what that's from, yeah, what the movie is.
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:21.359
That come out and play thing and the can you dig it was so it just like punctured like a harpoon into the consciousness of like culture immediately, in a way that the move that dr like left the the meat of the rest of the movie so far behind, and it's a great movie.
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:29.199
Uh much like the seven-year itch is a great movie, but it's like it's so outpaced by its like impact, weirdly.
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:36.800
Like it's it's it's it's a strange thing that I feel like only happens to certain American movies.
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:59.600
And and these are these are two of the I think the biggest ones now that I'm thinking about it, because I mean most of the other ones like people have like see you're getting to the point where people have like not seen things like Star Wars or uh Indiana Jones necessarily die hard, but like I mean, can you dig it and come out and play are like way deeper than I would think almost any quote from any of those movies.
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:01.199
Yeah, I I would agree.
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:09.840
And still, like, yeah, you could get somebody who's like, Yeah, I think I've heard of the Warriors, but yeah, it's it's not top of mind in almost anybody's yeah.
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.119
I would put it on a level with uh ET Phone Home.
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.039
Like everybody knows E.T.
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:25.279
Phone Home because it was used in multiple commercials, it was used in you know every kind of like everyone that you wanted to reference that was like, oh, that's an easy one.
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:58.960
Yeah, but in knowing that you still don't understand the impact and and the love story, uh not not a romantic love story, but a love story of two friends that just had a deep attachment, and then that's ripped apart because of politics or because of uh uh what you know uh immigration laws or or or whatever it is, it's like you don't understand the true meaning of ET Phone Home until you know the whole movie.
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:09.439
Sure, you know the quote and you know where it's from and you can kind of do the voice, but it's still you don't fully, fully get the meat of it.
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:17.920
Like you like you said, it's yes, can you dig it, but can you there's so much there's so much more to that speech, yeah.
01:14:18.319 --> 01:15:08.000
Like there's uh you know kind of what we touched on last time in in punk rock, um there's punk rock and rap and uh outlaw country on the on the surface the the industries and the the mainstream were trying to divide those groups because if those groups solidified into a giant unit of outside music, it would become a thing that no one can control because there's you know if all the rebellion, all the rebellious people got together, they could overthrow whatever is in power at that time.
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:19.760
And every you know, that's the you know, the whole way to stay in power is divide and conquer, and you know, pit the the heavy metals against the the uh punk rockers.
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:27.520
Make the country make the outlaw country people into you know country bumpkins so that the city punks don't pay attention to them.
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:31.520
But you know, people like Blondie are like, hey, I'm punk rock.
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:33.199
Here's some rap, check this out.
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:37.359
And some of the rap groups were like, hey, I love this metal stuff.
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:42.000
And you know, bring the noise was huge for what it was.
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:49.840
It was like, hey, um, anthrax is on stage wearing a public enemy t-shirt, and Chuck D's on stage wearing an anthrax shirt.
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:53.119
Now they're recording together and making this amazing.
01:15:53.600 --> 01:16:01.520
Oh no, the basis of my entire personality is being eroded right now because I chose one or the other.
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:02.399
Yes.
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:19.840
And so by uh by Cyrus standing there and and illustrating that the numbers are on their side if they stop piddling over a little bit of turf and decide to join forces and take it all.
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:25.520
And then all of a sudden, uh then you know that brings up Luther.
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:27.279
Fucking Luther.
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:33.119
And uh, not to spoil the movie, if you haven't seen it yet, it came out in 1978.
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:35.520
So if you haven't seen it, sorry.
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:40.239
Um Luther shoots Cyrus uh in the middle of his speech.
01:16:40.560 --> 01:17:03.039
And uh I guess you could equate that to Martin Luther King getting shot, uh JFK getting shot, um basically any of the unifiers of that of the era getting eliminated because a voice of unification for the outcasts is a very, very powerful voice.
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:08.159
And Luther, uh, so here's here's where it gets really, really heaky.
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:17.760
The movie based on they had to edit it and get it out on time, they had to cut a lot of stuff, uh, they couldn't, you know.
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:36.000
Right now, if they did uh a uh prestige show and they could do 12 episodes uh a season for five seasons, they could really get into the depth of each of the the politics of of each of the gangs and stuff, and it would be absolutely freaking amazing.
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:43.760
Um if so they couldn't go into what is Luther doing?
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:45.359
Why is he doing this?
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:57.680
Um yes, he puts the blame on the warriors, and the lawyer the warriors are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they get their epic adventure and stuff.
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:06.319
But the real thing is Luther shooting Cyrus and murdering him in front of everybody, and then blaming the Warriors.
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:09.439
Uh, it goes into the video game.
01:18:09.520 --> 01:19:00.960
Like they tell a little bit of the story in the video game where Luther is out with two of his gang members that he doesn't like, and so in one failed swoop, they kill a cop and they steal a badge and a gun on the way to the meeting, and the badge is you could see the badge on on Luther's vest the entire time, and that's from the cop that he kills in the video game, which is a prequel to the movie, and um, so that kind of sets it off, and Luther keeps checking in with his boss, and so like uh uh he at the end Luther says he's just doing it because he likes doing things like that, but in essence, he is working for someone, and the cops showing up at the the conclave right as Luther shoots Cyrus.
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:04.640
It's like this is not a coincidence, this is a setup.
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:19.279
The someone in in uh someone in power uh that wants to keep that power and knows that that Cyrus's voice uniting all these gangs is a dangerous thing.
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:24.720
Uniting the outcasts is a dangerous thing to the people in power.
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:30.319
So if you're an outcast and you're a weirdo, don't shun other weirdos.
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.800
Join them, understand their suffering, understand their struggle.
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:36.560
Join the gang.
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:53.359
And not only join a gang, join your gangs with other gangs of outcasts and weirdos, because all those gangs together outnumber the people in power, and in one shot, Luther eliminates that.
01:19:53.520 --> 01:20:15.840
There are rumors that it was the second in command of you know, uh Cyrus's second in command trying to take over because he knew that the plan would never work or whatever, but deep down, uh yeah, um the rogues are from Hell's Kitchen, which is a very Irish area, and Irish people drink.
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:16.800
Sorry.
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:40.960
Because of the history of the United States, uh there weren't many jobs for Irish people, and they were given clubs to go break up strikers, and strikers were usually Italians, uh Slavics, uh, Polish, and stuff like that.
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:55.119
And at the time, Irish were latecomers to the game, so they were kind of put into a position where it's like, hey, you're not a member, like it was a divide and conquer, you're not you're an outcast, but you're not those kinds of outcasts.
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.680
So why don't you work for me, take this Billy Club, and go beat the shit out of the other outcasts.
01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:06.000
Well, well, well, if it isn't a bunch of differently resourced white people.
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:30.079
So, yeah, the the the stereotype of the Irish cop isn't it's based on reality because the Irish were given those jobs, and over time, uh you go from you know the slave hand to the slave uh controller, and eventually the Irish became solidified in the police department.
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:41.680
So a Hell's Kitchen gang being controlled by like a police commissioner or at the behest of a mayor or something like that is a very uh real possibility.
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:50.560
So Luther pulled the trigger to do the job of the city mayor in order to eliminate these, you know, basically keep the gang separated.
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:51.680
He's a scab.
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:56.159
Yeah, he's uh he's uh he's he's keeping the status quo in a way.
01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:06.800
And so uh yeah, going in, you know, you have to scrape through the game to actually get that deep, deep dive of of information about who Luther is and why he's doing it.
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:17.760
And yeah, he is he has a wild card, but someone that pulls the reins the right way can control a wild card and you know have them do the bidding.
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:29.439
Like I I know like in Batman the Joker is just a wild card, uh, and then all the gangs call him in to help get rid of Batman, and then they don't realize what they did.
01:22:29.680 --> 01:23:07.840
But in this case, Luther is very much a controlled wild dog and doing the bidding, um and given enough leash to be crazy and do what he wants every now and then, sure, it it's a it's a big possibility that the whole thing was over before it began because someone in power had arrested Luther at the right time and and was able to put a thumb on him, and you know, and by putting a thumb on Luther, putting a thumb on the scale of justice and and eliminating the threat of all the weirdos ganging up and taking control.
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:14.560
Yeah, and then there's like the orphans, which is like this this smaller gang that wasn't invited to the conclave.
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.479
Oh, they're chickens.
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:24.720
Yeah, they're like there so there's all these like power dynamics of like, oh, like you think we're not we're not good enough.
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:34.720
Yeah, you know, and they challenge the warriors because they're like, you guys are coming down, we're gonna we're gonna use you as a stepping stone up uh in the in the ranking.
01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:37.039
It's it's it's just great.
01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:39.520
There's so many things happening, so many things going on.
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.079
Uh Luther's great, he's uh psycho.
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:46.560
You know the the Warriors come out to play was totally improvised.
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:47.840
That wasn't in the script.
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.880
Man, that's it's it just I don't know.
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.000
Is there an example of like a of something that was improvised?
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:56.159
And someone was like, absolutely not, we can't use that.
01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:56.800
That sucks.
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:02.640
Because it always seems like the improv improvised stuff is like it's like one notch better.
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:04.560
Well, whatever the script was.
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:09.520
I think that's just uh uh one notch on the belt for humans versus AI.
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:10.800
Yeah, true.
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:11.439
True.
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:22.800
I can never it the actor said he his neighbor used to taunt him with uh like Jeffrey, come out and play.
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:28.560
I I don't know the actor, I can't remember the actor's name, but yeah, it was like whatever it is, come out and play.
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.479
And he would go and hide under his bed.
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:38.720
And he was like, um, they were getting ready to film, and he started doing it, and the director's like, hey, hey, turn the cameras on, turn the cameras on.
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:42.960
And they just caught it, and he's like, do that, but more.
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:46.560
It's a great yeah, and it became iconic, you know.
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:48.800
His name was David Patrick Kelly.
01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:52.399
Okay, so it was David come out and play.
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:59.199
I I also brought up his Wikipedia because I at first I was like, Wow, is that is that a very young Sean Penn?
01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.680
Which I don't think the timing on that really makes sense.
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:08.800
No, uh, but it it I just was looking at his at his this is the first block uh in his Wikipedia.
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.840
Kelly is also known for his collaborations with Spike Lee in the films.
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:13.680
This is I don't know why this is so funny.
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.720
Malcolm X, Crooklin, Shyrak.
01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:28.399
Just like a bunch of uh gangster films, like with I mean Malcolm X is kind of gang adjacent, I guess, more so than actually, but you know, like Crooklin and Shirak.
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:33.199
He loves to be in like a like a hood gangster kind of movie.
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:44.079
Uh, also in the most in succession, and um, there's just an oh, and the recent season of Twin Peaks.
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:48.640
He was in uh seven episodes of the new Twin Peaks in 2017.
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:49.199
Yeah.
01:25:49.520 --> 01:26:09.680
He was also Sully in a movie with uh Arnold Schwarzenegger, and uh Arnold Schwarzenegger is holding him upside down by his ankle over a cliff, and he's like, You said you would you said you'd let me go, and then he and then Arnold Schwarzenegger drops him and says, Sully, I lied.
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:14.960
He was oh go ahead.
01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:22.319
There is a movie that I saw him in that scared the living shit out of me as a child.
01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:27.119
Uh it's kind of um I know you told me the name of it.
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.000
Uh the the dream movie where they fold everything.
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:31.039
Inception.
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:31.920
Inception.
01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:42.640
Okay, so I believe Inception may have been inspired by a movie called Dreamscape, and it has um uh the guy from Inner Space in it.
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:43.680
I don't remember.
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.359
Is it that's not Gutenberg, is it?
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.079
No, no, um I don't remember then.
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:50.479
Randy Quaid's brother, Dennis Quaid.
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:51.520
Yes, Dennis.
01:26:51.760 --> 01:27:07.359
I would say Dennis Quaid and um and Luther are in a movie called Dreamscape, and essentially Luther has the ability to enter other people's dreams if he's close enough to them, like in another room or something like that.
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:19.600
And there's this little boy that is having dreams, and Luther goes into that dream and turns into a snake, and it fucking scared that I was young and it scared the shit out of me.
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:22.880
Um, like I get scared over the weirdest shit.
01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:37.760
Uh like things I know that can invade my brain and and torture me, like changing into a dog, like the shaggy dog scared the shit out of me because it's like there's no way I can control that.
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.479
Someone else has a ring and they're reading the curse off the ring, and I turn into a dog.
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:43.359
Fuck that.
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:45.279
I don't want anything to do with that.
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:51.359
I'm asleep, and fucking Luther is coming into my dreams and turning into a snake man.
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:52.159
Fuck that.
01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:53.520
I don't want that.
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:58.399
Um, like poltergeist, it's like no problem, leave the fucking house.
01:27:58.560 --> 01:27:59.600
I can control that.
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:02.399
No problem.
01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:04.800
Um, you know, Freddie, no problem.
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.119
I'll stay up all night, no problem.
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:14.079
But like Dreamscape, it was like he could get into your daydreams, whether you're awake or asleep, or whatever.
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:16.239
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:18.239
So highly recommend watching Dreamscape.
01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:19.119
It was a fun movie.
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:34.880
Also, uh, David Patrick Kelly was in John Wick and John Wick 2, and the ru one of the uh uh not not rumors, but they say that uh act for act the the final act of John Wick 4 is loosely based on the Warriors journey.
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.600
Yeah, and they yeah, they included the DJ uh scenario as well.
01:28:41.840 --> 01:29:01.439
Um and there's a there's a tabletop uh game called Cyberpunk, and the creator Mike Pondsmith uh fully credits the Warriors with inspiration of creating Cyberpunk, which then turned into Cyberpunk 2077.
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.399
My favorite driving game of all time.
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:07.680
Fucking love driving in that game.
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:08.960
That's so funny.
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:18.079
And Patrick Mills, the uh the the senior quest designer for that, said totally he watched Warriors and totally got inspired from it.
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:20.720
It it creates like I called them at first.
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:21.680
I was like, what is that?
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:22.720
What is this reminding me of?
01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:25.279
And it's like Final Fantasy or something.
01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:29.359
It's it's very like like I said, it's very video gamey.
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:42.640
You've got your like flamboyant teams that have very defined, like sort of qualities and and uh not abilities, but like the the Furies use a baseball bat, you know.
01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:50.880
You could just have a gang with baseball bats and not invoke the base any of the other baseball elements, but in this they're like make them baseball players.
01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:53.600
That's the that's the vibe, that's the uniform.
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:58.000
And like, I don't know, there's something again, it's that like final fight.
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:01.680
Like, here's the baseball guys, so they have a bat.
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:02.960
So watch out for the bat.
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:04.720
You have to jump over the bat now.
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:06.960
Like that is that to your whole thing.
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:14.560
Uh, speaking of final fight, Akira Nishitani, the designer of Final Fight, fully credits the Warriors.
01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:17.840
Nailed it, nailed it.
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:26.079
So, yeah, I mean it it goes deep, not just movies, but video games.
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:41.680
Uh and I I think uh D12, which is uh Eminem and 11 of his friends, uh did a song and a video that fully inspired by this.
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:50.399
Uh it is not quite to the level of Scarface uh having an impact on on hip-hop, but it is it is up there.
01:30:50.479 --> 01:31:03.439
There's there are many the the list goes on and on of people that have either sampled or inspired by or you know got the vibe from or whatever to to create music.
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:10.720
And and the Warriors is very deeply embedded in the New York culture um because it was filmed in the Bronx.
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:32.000
So uh and so yeah, based on all of that, I would say yeah, it's a very popular movie, it just uh could have been much more popular if it didn't have to rely solely on the the word of mouth.
01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:47.600
Um because marketing opening day uh um numbers and box office receipts isn't an inflection or it is not a reflection of how good of a movie it is, it's how good the marketing is.
01:31:48.479 --> 01:32:05.840
And you know, I guess part of the boost was hearing all the news reports of all you know, this movie caused gang fights and everyone's and you you're not supposed to see this and everyone running to go see it, but that's only an initial boost of a little, you know, yeah.
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:09.520
You can only get so much juice out of no, you can't have it.
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:21.119
Um, because after a while, and you know, as the numbers go up, the the mystery uh or or the intrigue of not being able to see it, it's like, well, everyone's already seen it.
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.359
Why do I want to see it now?
01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:29.039
Um so it's kind of a it's not even gonna make me violent and join a gang.
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:30.800
What's the fucking point?
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.199
You know, so it's kind of a double-edged sword.
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:38.960
Like it it did give them initial boost, but then it died out quickly in that whole thing.
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:45.359
And and by the time the wanderers did hit the theaters, warriors were kind of gone.
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:46.000
Yeah.
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:51.199
Um, but the people that do see it love it and they hold it deeply to their heart.
01:32:51.359 --> 01:33:03.680
There um there's warrior conventions, there's uh there's actually like a uh tour uh that people take every now and then uh to go riding the subway along the warriors route.
01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:05.760
I really want to do that next time I go to New York.
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:07.039
I think that would be super fun.
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:10.960
And plus, Coney Island is like the Warriors, it's Mr.
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:13.279
Robot, it's so many things.
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:16.159
Oh, yeah, and I brought up the Wonder Wheel.
01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:20.239
Um, there's a movie with Richard Pryor called The Toy.
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:39.600
And in that movie, he is at a toy store and he is where uh they have a toy called The Wonder Wheel, which is a giant inflated wheel that you stand on and roll, and uh the scene where it deflates, and then he has this emotional outbreak of the Wonder Wheel dying and stuff.
01:33:39.760 --> 01:34:01.760
Uh, very impactful to a young me uh watching Richard Pryor and Jackie Gleason interact, and and just it was it was a world-class uh acting uh display, uh, even though it's the silly ass movie, um, but every beat of it is on time.
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:08.800
And I think someone in this movie had something to do with Brewster's Millions, which is also another great Richard Pryor movie.
01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:18.399
So again, it just continues to like it just continues to reach out, and everyone involved in this movie went on to create everything that I've loved from the 80s.
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:33.760
So a lot of folks discount how hard it is to act well in a comedy movie, but I honestly think it's more difficult than a drama because it's like uh Christian was saying earlier about how I like to spread joy instead of all the negativity on the internet and in the world these days.
01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:37.840
I think it's easier to be negative, I think it's harder to spread joy, just like it's harder to do comedy.
01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:43.199
It's easy to cry on command, but it's much harder to time a joke right to get a laugh.
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:45.520
Oh, and yeah, fake laugh sucks, you know.
01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:47.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:52.560
Um we just recently watched uh the television show Ted season two.
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:54.079
So good.
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.720
And um no, seriously.
01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.880
Uh, if you haven't watched either of the Ted seasons, it is an excellent sitcom.
01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:05.920
Like Alana Ubeck plays the mom, and she is this the role of her career.
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:06.800
Yeah.
01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:15.199
This is like the the Bostonian, like very like uh prim yeah, mom, like total, just total mom, perfect mom.
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:16.319
Oh my god.
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:24.399
I've seen 15 clips of it, but it's it's one of those things that you you Ted came out and it didn't seem to like be a big thing, and then he kind of moved on to other projects.
01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:27.600
And then I started seeing clips, and I'm like, oh, I guess it's a show now.
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:28.880
Yeah, I'm like, okay.
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:30.319
Two seasons.
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.640
Uh really, I think it's a great show.
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.319
I loved both seasons.
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:34.880
Okay.
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.960
So McRollin actually makes mostly quality stuff, I think.
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:41.680
Oh, don't even get me started on the Cleveland show.
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:43.520
It's like my favorite card in the couple.
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:54.800
But there is a scene in Ted where he join like where he joins uh the play.
01:35:55.039 --> 01:36:01.359
Basically, he's trying to get into college or something like that, and they tell him that he needs some extracurriculars and and whatnot.
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:03.359
The whole thing.
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:05.279
The whole sitcom storyline.
01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:07.359
Yeah, the sitcom storyline.
01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:12.239
Uh, yeah, do a couple things and you know, pick up some trash, and you'll get into college.
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:22.000
Um, but he joins the play and uh does a scene where he's acting and he's just phenomenal.
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:37.920
And um, someone asks him how he could act so well, and he basically said, Well, I watch a lot of movies, and if you want to act, you either gotta say something really loud, really soft, or or something else.
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:41.199
And uh, it's like, yeah, that's drama.
01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:49.199
Say it loud, say it soft, or uh or say it mysteriously, or something like that, and and that's drama.
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:55.920
But acting in comedy is so so much more deep and and painful.
01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:02.800
Like you've got to really dig deep to to act in a comedy, or not overact, which I think is very easy to do.
01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:07.439
And because like a comedy, really, you're you're trying to dig out a certain response from somebody.
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:12.720
You're not you you're not looking to have them kind of like, hmm, okay, that was a part of this movie.
01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:14.239
Okay, now we're on to the next part.
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.880
It's like there, here's this beat.
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:22.960
We want we want to laugh here, we want, and then, and then we need like a rest period.
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:33.119
It's like it's more like music, like you need to weave between like these, like, you know, you can't you can't look too stern, you can't look too sad, you know.
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:39.680
You need to have the right amount of sad for the joke to be funny if that's the joke, you know, like that that kind of thing.
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:47.119
And um, I like comedians end up being the best dramatic actors.
01:37:47.279 --> 01:38:03.439
I mean, uh Robin Williams, uh Tom Hanks, uh Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey, Brian Cranston, yeah, yeah, like an incredible goofy dad on on Malcolm in the Middle, and then the hard left on everything else he's done.
01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:16.640
Like, he made he like almost made me cry in Godzilla, like the Godzilla reboot that they did that Gareth, I think Gareth Edwards did, and he's like crying because his wife just died, and I'm like, holy shit! And it's incredible.
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:19.279
Oh god, yes.
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:21.039
Also, Ron Swanson, what the fuck?
01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:21.840
Nick Offerman.
01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:23.439
Yeah, Nick Offerman, great, yeah.
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:58.640
And it's it goes down to um some I believe it was the Pixies that it's loud, soft, loud, or soft, loud, soft, or some loud, loud, soft, loud, and comedy is very like punk rock and comedy are very much in that same vein where it's like you have to wake them up, draw them in, and then slap them across the face, and comedians know that, so bringing that to a drama role um hits so much harder and so much deeper.
01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:03.920
And you know, it I think that's uh I think the Warriors were able to do that too.
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:17.199
Like they had the respites and you know, in the right places, they had the the slamming around in the right places, and they just basically drew you in and then pulled you and then just hit you harder.
01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:20.000
Honestly, I think the pacing in the movie is impeccable.
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:27.439
There's not really any downtime that is boring where something's not happening that's interesting, uh, and it's never moving too fast either.
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:34.319
I think they do a good job of telling the story in the time allotted, and it's an under two-hour movie, which there's not enough of those nowadays.
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:36.880
Yeah, yeah, it's 92 minutes.
01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:39.920
I said two hours, it's 92 minutes, yeah.
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.000
And I think the wanderers came in at like two hours.
01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:47.359
Yeah, the wanderers was longer, it was two hours.
01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:49.359
There was a lot going on.
01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:58.239
One thing I will say about both of these movies that we watched recently, and in addition to these two movies, we've been watching a lot of Brit Box because we got a subscription for some reason.
01:39:58.399 --> 01:39:59.760
Uh, it's a long story.
01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:10.720
Uh we've been watching a lot of Brit box stuff, but I noticed real teeth, I noticed skin texture, I noticed hair that didn't look perfect, and it's really refreshing.
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:21.119
Like the movies that are being put out now, the TV that's being put out now, they try to make them look like real people, but their skin is all smooth and their hair is all perfect, and their teeth are all veneers.
01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.399
Like they don't look people, actors don't look like real people anymore.
01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:25.600
And it's really sad to me.
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:32.800
And watching Blake Lively in the shallows, and she just looks amazing right up until she gets rescued or whatever.
01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:33.760
Yeah.
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:35.520
Like, no, I don't believe that.
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:39.600
Put like Susan Boyle out there, put somebody who get a sun gets a sunburn.
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:44.159
Yeah, and even when they try to make somebody look bad, like this.
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:50.560
I I didn't like Susan Serenan for a long time because she got not I have a lot of Oscar grudges.
01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:59.920
She got nominated in 1996 for Dead Man Walking, and she was up against Elizabeth Shu for leaving Las Vegas, which was my fucking favorite movie that year.
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.079
Nicholas Cage deserved his Oscar.
01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:03.439
I love that movie.
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:04.800
I will never get tired of it.
01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:07.119
The soundtrack is Sting's best work.
01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:21.039
But uh Susan Sarandon ended up winning for Dead Man Walking, and I remember her saying in an interview after that that it was the hardest movie she ever made because she had to watch herself on screen without makeup.
01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:23.600
And I'm like, fuck you.
01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:26.000
How is that the hardest thing you've ever done?
01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:28.159
You privileged little woman.
01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:30.720
Like it really made me angry.
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:34.000
That kind of that almost makes me feel it's like, yeah.
01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:36.000
Welcome to being normal.
01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:37.840
Yeah, exactly.
01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:40.319
Like, I'm actually glad that happened to you.
01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:41.600
Yeah, yeah.
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:47.119
I said I like I like Susan Serenin again, but I've been really mad at her for a long time.
01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:48.640
But I can't, she's Janet.
01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:50.159
What I what can you do?
01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:58.479
Yeah, there's some there there's sometimes when you're in a cult classic, it just gives a lot of forgiveness.
01:41:58.720 --> 01:41:59.760
Yep, yep, yep.
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:05.039
So um yeah, dude, Tim Curry's been, I mean, he's made a career out of it.
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:08.000
Just go just running from cult classic to cult classic.
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:11.760
He's the cult classic guy.
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.560
It's like did did you were you of the age to watch Fern Gully?
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:18.079
Oh yeah, I was.
01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:48.960
Oh yeah, I was that might have been that might have been like so early that the Tim Curry was like like the Tim Curry seeped in my psychology before me knowing yeah who that was or that that could happen or that that was happening actively, and so like the very idea of like Tim Curry's presence, his like vocal presence, because that's obviously an animated film where he plays the bad guy, uh, which is pollution.
01:42:49.359 --> 01:43:02.800
Uh but it's like I mean if you could have if you could not have picked a better voice than the guy who sounds like he's melting every time he says anything.
01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:12.079
He's so good, like as anything, but like, hey, uh, do you want to be a goop monster?
01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.359
And it's like, who else was on your list?
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.159
There can't have been that many names.
01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:30.000
Uh, he also played the whale in uh an episode of Monk, and many people say that he did far better than like for some reason.
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:36.159
Um, the actors that played the character of the whale in Monk uh only did it one time each.
01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:47.439
I think he appeared four different times, and it was like, I don't want to do this more than once because it's a a lot of work because it's a giant, giant bodysuit.
01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:53.439
Um, like it's a very large man uh to the point where he can't move on his own.
01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:55.600
Picture the whale from the movie The Whale.
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:57.840
Oh, this is this is this is interesting.
01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:02.319
I I'm not familiar with the monk uh mythology mythos.
01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:10.079
So like you the whale, it's like this is a recurring guy who gets recast because nobody wants to do it again.
01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:10.800
Yeah, yeah.
01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:15.199
Okay, and he's a large he's just a large man, and one time it was Tim Curry.
01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:15.840
Yeah, yeah.
01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:17.359
Okay, I'm on board.
01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:18.720
I'm on board in my head.
01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:19.840
I don't know what I was thinking of.
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:22.000
I'm like, this has to be a guy, but I don't know.
01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:23.840
You're just saying the whale.
01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:27.600
Does he and does he have a hallucination of a whale at one point?
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:28.800
It's Tim Curry.
01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:30.720
That's much more psych-coded, I think.
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:33.439
Wait, yeah, that's much more psych-coated.
01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:43.279
Um, I I couldn't think of any other movies that uh have impacted us as strongly as the Warriors.
01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:47.680
Um in the way that the Warriors hit.
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:49.760
Uh there's the ripples.
01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:50.720
It's the ripples.
01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:57.439
And and again, the fans of it are deep, deep, really loyal fans.
01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:05.039
Like if you go like IMDB, uh, if you go to the trivia section of every movie, there's there's a few tidbits.
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:09.039
Uh some of the movie, like some of the more popular movies have a little bit more.
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:13.520
The trivia section for the Warriors just goes on and on.
01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:15.520
It's over 50 deep.
01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:19.279
And it like it gets real, real deep.
01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:30.239
And um anyone that like there's tours that people do, there's uh there's a bunch of documentaries, whether it's well done or just a YouTube thing.
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:39.359
Um, and again, people are searching for more and more because there seems to be more and more every time you watch it.
01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:49.600
Uh, and it unfolds, and it does have a lot of connections, and and it is a great representation of a Greek tragedy, a Greek story.
01:45:49.680 --> 01:46:04.000
There, like I like I said, uh, there's a scene where they're uh they get split up, and one guy is at a bench with a and sees a lady, and he goes over there, and she ends up being a cop and arrests them.
01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:12.800
And you know, it represents the call of the sirens, and then the other group ends up joining it, uh joining up with a gang called the Lizzy's.
01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:26.000
And uh the Lizzies invite them back to their apartment for a party, and the idea is that they're luring them in to kill them so that they could be the group that captured the warriors.
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:36.159
Again, call to the sirens, because it's it's just one of the it's part of the it's one of the beats that are involved in a Greek story.
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:51.279
Uh, and you know, it does follow the hero's journey pretty pretty well, and it does hit all the marks of of a what makes a story a story, and it's not, hey, here's here's the instructions you have to follow.
01:46:51.520 --> 01:47:00.319
Uh when when Campbell put together the the hero with a thousand faces, he didn't say, here's how you're supposed to make a story.
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:08.880
He said, I've watched a thousand movies, and the ones that everyone agree are good have this in common.
01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:13.520
I'm an autistic fellow, and I've done the pattern recognition for you.
01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:19.119
And George Lucas saw that and was like, Oh, so that's just how I'm gonna make my movies from now on.
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.239
Fun fact about the cop uh that's the mom from big.
01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:26.800
Oh, yeah.
01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:28.479
He looks familiar.
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:30.399
I love that though.
01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:42.079
I love like, I mean, I I think the Greek thing for me was that it just felt like uh it had the same vibe uh uh as like um the Odyssey, where it was like, oh, we're just going to different islands and getting into trouble.
01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:46.479
Or Voyage of the Dawn Treader, if you read Narnia, it's the same, it's the same exact structure.
01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:57.199
Uh it's just but the I it's it's funny because just the islands are the different places of New York that you and I know that they just have are walking to.
01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:22.720
It's so it's they're just walking or taking a train, or the you know, but the but the ways in which they make that like more movie and more epic and more Greek is like, oh, they're hopping on the subway as the rival gang is trying to get them, you know, instead of a literal magical siren, it's this hot lady cop who's like, Oh, I love I love young men, you know.
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:26.640
Like, no, they don't it's 1979, no one's ever heard of a lie before.
01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:29.359
So, you know, it's it's all new to them.
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:52.000
And it it's it's a little bit more uh ethereally impactful because it's there's no McGuffin, like in late Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a McGuffin, and they've got to get this thing, they've got you know, it's like that thing doesn't really matter, but in this story, the McGuffin is I just want to get home, yeah.
01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:53.600
Just getting to a safe place.
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.720
And if you've ever gone, you know, bar hopping.
01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:15.439
Uh if you've done a bar crawl and you know, it's you know, you're at a uh an after hours club at four o'clock in the morning and you're trying to catch the bus, you understand that journey, you know, you the epic Greek journey of I just want to get home.
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:21.920
Like, I don't care, like I I might have lost my wallet, I don't care.
01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:24.720
Uh like um crap.
01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:40.079
Uh there's a we watched a couple movies that are just like that, but it's it's a very uh it's very realistic and it hits home because everyone has had that moment.
01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:52.640
Like shit has just gone bad, and it doesn't like it'll be okay if I just get home and be done with this, and then I'll deal with whatever it is at a later date.
01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:54.880
Just every red light along the way.
01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:59.600
Well, isn't isn't that movie the world at the world's end kind of that?
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.119
But it's like an alien invasion or some nonsense.
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:05.039
It's robots in World's City.
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:09.119
They were actually on a they were on a quest to hit all the bars, though.
01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:10.239
They weren't trying to.
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:12.880
I guess they might have been at the end they were trying to get home.
01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:18.079
Well, um, uh the other one, um the zombie one.
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:19.119
Shauna the Dead.
01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:30.800
Shauna the Dead is essentially I gotta go get my mom and get her to a safe place and the safe places back home or a representation of home.
01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:31.520
The pub.
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:32.239
And right.
01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:33.199
Yeah, the pub.
01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:36.159
You know, getting just getting to that safe space.
01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:43.520
Uh and you want to talk about a comedic actor who is uh really doing doing the right things and doing the most.
01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:45.600
That scene at the pub.
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:46.640
Oh, yeah.
01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:48.880
Is like gut-wrenching.
01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:51.199
He's he's awesome, Simon Pegg.
01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:55.279
After kind of being like, like, haha, this is the ha ha funny.
01:50:55.439 --> 01:51:02.079
Look at look at us shooting him putting a peanut butter and jelly sandwich together like it's a horror movie, ha ha ha la la la.
01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:06.560
And then it's like, nope, Pierce is real acting about this situation.
01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:07.439
I don't want to spoil it.
01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:11.439
I mean, Sean of the Dead's also kind of an older movie, but you should watch Sean of the Dead if you haven't.
01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:12.399
Oh, yeah, 100.
01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.479
I'll watch the entire Cornetto trilogy.
01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:16.800
The entire Cornetto trilogy.
01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:18.000
The ice cream and blood.
01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:19.199
Is that what they called it?
01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:20.560
Yeah.
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:44.800
Um, and one of my favorite gimmicks, I uh I don't know if it's a gimmick, but uh device storytelling devices is the uh opening scene where they tell the entire story, and you're that you just it's done in such a way that you're just like, oh, they're having a conversation, but then you re-watch it and you're like, Oh my god, they told the entire plot of the movie at the beginning.
01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:51.520
And uh in Shawn of the Dead, they're sitting at the pub at the beginning, and he was like, Oh, here's the plan for tonight.
01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:57.680
We're gonna do this, grab by do this, grab mom, do this, come back here, and then have a couple shots at the pub.
01:51:57.840 --> 01:51:58.960
Yeah, yeah, that's the refrain.
01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:08.000
At the end of the movie, and at the end of the movie, you find out the shots at the pub are them shooting a shotgun at the zombies, and you're like, Oh my god, that's clever.
01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:28.319
So I love clever people, and I love uh Easter eggs, and I love people that do more than is necessary to entertain the masses because I'm not the masses, and I I can watch a movie and enjoy it and be done with it.
01:52:28.560 --> 01:52:37.760
Uh, but if I'm gonna watch it multiple times, I like to cut back the layers and and keep digging and digging and digging.
01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:50.640
And like I said, uh I've said it before, I'll sit there and watch a movie with IMDB open, or with you know, I have one tab of IMDB, one tab of Wikipedia, and then you know, Google searching a bunch of other stuff.
01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:52.800
So it's like, oh my god, there's so much more.
01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:53.600
There's so much more.
01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.479
This is awesome, this is great, this is this is amazing.
01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:06.319
And The Warriors is absolutely one of those movies that it just every time you read about it, every time you look at it, it just gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:23.119
And you know, Greek tragedies are just stories of people traveling around doing things, but when you dig in, it's there's a reason there's a cyclops, there's a reason why uh you know he has to get Medusa's head in order to turn the crack into stone.
01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:44.640
There's a reason there's a mechanical owl, there's all these reasons for all these things, and the more and the more you watch it and the more you learn and the more you research and the more you dig, the more your brain expands, and and the more you can understand humans as as not just oh, those are the black fellows over here, those are the Irish people over there.
01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:52.640
It's oh my god, we all have the same struggle, we all have similar struggles, we all have uh problems.
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:59.920
We in if we just join together, we can take out the people that are being assholes and destroying the world.
01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:04.560
But in order to not get caught by the feds, we gotta make it symbolic.
01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:05.359
Yes.
01:54:07.600 --> 01:54:10.159
If you do it straight up, they'll just be like, nope.
01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:18.159
And unfortunately, the more symbolic you make it, the less people understand it because they're a fine line.
01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:19.760
It's a fine line to walk.
01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:24.720
And media literary, but good news, media literacy is pretty much dead, so just make what you want.
01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:33.119
Yeah, literally just make it what you want because it's going to be if the Warriors was released now, it would be misinterpreted.
01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:34.319
Oh, yeah.
01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:49.039
I mean, I feel like it probably was back then with all the fights and the things, but people I think had less to do, and they I feel like these days uh there's like a weird imperative to be like, I have to tell people my opinion about this.
01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:55.600
You know, that's almost kind of that's partially even what this like podcast is, is us trying to be like, hey, here's what we think about these things.
01:54:55.840 --> 01:55:07.680
So, like, but like in 1979, I feel like it was like uh maybe it was a little more like I can have an opinion on this and just keep it to my damn self.
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:08.960
Yeah, yeah.
01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:21.439
And you know, ruminate on it like on as you're riding the subway and going, yeah, I'm gonna be nice today because everyone's got a struggle.
01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:22.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:55:22.640 --> 01:55:32.079
Like something impacted you, you know, something got got in in I feel I feel like there are fewer and fewer of these movies that lead you to think about them afterwards.
01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:38.880
Like it's almost like they're making movies these days for people to watch and then like delete from their brains once they're done watching.
01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:44.319
And that's one of the things that I appreciated very much about the movie The Drama that came out this year.
01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.920
Like I saw it a couple months ago and I still can't stop thinking about it.
01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.319
Like Logan and I have talked about it many times.
01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:54.960
Like the drama is one of our number one topics of conversation, and it's just a movie.
01:55:55.199 --> 01:56:04.880
Um, but more movies where people can talk about them afterwards and like dissect them and and where the answers aren't necessarily uh clear.
01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:06.720
Like, I don't I don't know.
01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:07.760
I'm babbling.
01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:13.920
Like uh maybe I guess people are like, oh, I heard that movie was weird.
01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:15.199
Go watch that movie.
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:16.159
Yeah.
01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:31.279
Like uh my my uncle, we were talking about movies and just what I had watched recently um at a at a family dinner the other day, and and he was mentioning he was like, Oh, he watched Hereditary.
01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:35.119
Oh, and he did not care for Hereditary.
01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:36.880
I understand it.
01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:41.760
The the I'm not 100% sure because I myself haven't seen Hereditary.
01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:52.399
Oh, but my thing with Hereditary is like the the con what's interesting about Hereditary is not Hereditary itself.
01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:53.840
I'm sure it's a fine movie.
01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:58.319
What's interesting about Hereditary is the conversation surrounding it.
01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:07.039
Yes, which large which, aside from this, has largely been like, is this a horror movie or is it not a horror movie, or is it a psychological thriller?
01:57:07.279 --> 01:57:08.239
What is this?
01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:12.399
That's a very interesting conversation to have around a movie.
01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:28.319
So when someone says, like, oh, this movie is weird, or this movie made me feel uncomfortable, I'm gonna be like 10 times more likely to watch it because it's someone who's doing something and it made you go, No, that's more interesting.
01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:38.640
If I I am so much more interested in a movie that you rejected, honestly, than than like I don't know, most movies, it's like uh it was how's Thor five.
01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:43.840
Okay, what uh what happened?
01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:44.720
Was a bad guy?
01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:45.439
Oh, is he good?
01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:49.680
Christian Bailey's guy who's working are the jokes funny, yeah.
01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:51.279
There's some jokes, yeah.
01:57:52.479 --> 01:57:57.600
You know, and it's like all right, yeah, they're just like doing stuff to like they're like, Do you remember this?
01:57:57.760 --> 01:57:59.279
Remember, hey, comic people.
01:57:59.359 --> 01:58:01.279
Do you remember when uh floor was a girl for a minute?
01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:01.840
All right, cool.
01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:05.840
Look at that, like you jingle the keys, you know, and then you move on.
01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:20.319
Um, and so when and then you have something like uh like a Yorgos Lanthamos uh movie, like a like a poor things or a the killing of a sacred deer, and your uncle goes and watches it, and he's like, It's a huge piece of trash.
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:21.439
I think it sucked.
01:58:21.520 --> 01:58:22.159
I didn't get it.
01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:27.039
It was just like murder, and people were acting weird, and then you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go watch this.
01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:30.560
Also, by the way, I think killing of the sacred deer based on a Greek tragedy of some kind.
01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:32.640
Oh, I I would a hundred percent agree with that.
01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:44.399
Um, and Poor Things is like a weird uh it we Poor Things is like uh uh Emma Stone is uh Frankenstein and she is trying to figure out her uh sexual identity.
01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:51.760
And it's like, well, that's the that's more interesting than the Marvel movie you mentioned.
01:58:52.079 --> 01:58:55.279
That's you know yeah, that's just yeah, hate it or love it.
01:58:55.520 --> 01:59:07.920
You make me want to go see it by like it's just such a bizarre thing, it's so easy to reject because it's not mass marketed, it's made by uh uh people who want to make art.
01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:14.319
Yeah, for things is also like a kind of like the set design is incredible.
01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:22.800
The costumes, uh Willem Defoe, who is good in everything, is also good in this, and you should watch every clip that there is of him as the Dr.
01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:24.079
Frankenstein equivalent.
01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:26.720
Like honestly, one of Mark Ruffalo's best roles, too.
01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:30.239
It was a delight, is a delight and an insane person.
01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:32.880
Uh god, dude, the beginning.
01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:40.640
I went and saw it with my girlfriend at the time, and he says, My goodness, what a very attractive retard you have there.
01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:43.359
And she just turned to me and said, That's me.
01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:45.920
Uh, and I just thought that was just very funny.
01:59:46.079 --> 01:59:51.600
Like, it's go and see the stuff that's like daring and weird.
01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:54.079
What do you what do you have to loot?
01:59:54.399 --> 02:00:02.159
Like, is there like some kind of weird clout that you lose by going to see a movie that might not be what you thought?
02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:07.119
I know that every not everybody goes and sees movies for the deep art of it, but yeah, oh it is.
02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:11.039
I think we're maybe the lesser for it for that being such a common attitude.
02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:17.359
Because these are what when you see someone act well, you go, Oh, this is why you get paid millions of dollars.
02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:26.800
Like you're just being a whole other person right now, and that's I don't know if that's still worth it, but like when you see someone really do it, you go, Ah, there's the art.
02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:31.680
That's the thing that we've fallen in love with as a as a society.
02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:33.680
This is this is the thing.
02:00:33.920 --> 02:00:37.359
Um, and so go see those things where people do that.
02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:45.600
That's yeah, for for me, I uh poor things came off as a as a a uh basically a feminist manifesto.
02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:54.000
Not not not a manifesto, but an explanation of why there are feminists.
02:00:54.239 --> 02:01:28.159
And uh I I credit uh in when I was in 11th grade, uh I was on the yearbook staff, and my schedule didn't align properly, so I couldn't I had to it was yearbook was sixth period, but for some reason I had to take it fifth period, and um Clancy Jones uh was the one of the other editors, and she had it the same period as I did, and she educated me fully on everything that was going on with her body.
02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:41.359
Um just basically if she would come in with a bottle of Mylanta and like a bottle of aspirin and say, This is what's happening, so don't talk to me, or this and that, and whatever.
02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:59.920
So I inadvertently got an education onto why women act the way they do during certain periods of time, and it wasn't just oh, you're on the rag, it's like no, you're in deep, deep pain from this thing or that thing, or or this bloating, or that, or whatever it is.
02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:06.159
And so like I fully I fully understood it.
02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:32.239
Plus, I grew up in a house with uh my mom and two sisters, um, and so it was like I did like when people became I just thought it was common that dudes would be supposed to understand, and it was like the idiots that didn't, and I didn't realize I was spoiled in being a good person because not to brag or no, I know what you mean though.
02:02:32.319 --> 02:02:42.319
I know you mean my mom, my mom brought me up in a way that like everything like like I said, I just thought Blondie was a normal band.
02:02:42.479 --> 02:03:04.720
I thought talking heads was a normal band, I thought all this stuff was just normal, and it was like, oh no, this is the wack-adoo end of the spectrum, and my mom was just weird, and she didn't give it like you know, my dad stealing cable to so that I could watch all these fucked up movies late at night and listening to all this fucked up music.
02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:18.239
I had no idea that like I thought the doors were just an oldies group, I didn't know that they were transcendental and causing all this ruckus and shit until the movie came out and everyone started wearing Doors t-shirts.
02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:19.600
I'm like, that oldies band?
02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:20.800
What are you talking about?
02:03:20.960 --> 02:03:38.880
Yeah, so um watching um watching poor things, it's like okay, I understand what she's going through because I've been educated on why she's going through these things, and I understand why she's lashing out at this point or just going over the deep end on that point.
02:03:39.039 --> 02:04:28.640
That's like it's just that's a normal reaction to the situation she's in, and you can't judge her for it because she's just reacting on the information provided to her, and it's like that's how I act because when I have a full-blown meltdown, it's based on the information that's right in front of me, and it's like no one can understand that I'm seeking specific information so that I can move forward, and if I don't get that, it's like uh if you drove a car into not an into like you pull a car up to a brick wall and touch the bumper, and then you just push the gas pedal down, the car's not going anywhere, and eventually the engine's gonna blow out, and it's like that's what Emma Stone was portraying very fucking well, every scene of the movie.
02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:44.079
She was just revving her engine into a wall that didn't allow her to go forward because of the rules of society or the control of men or whatever it is, and she just pulled it out.
02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:56.960
And like, while I don't don't fully understand the struggle that she was going through, it replicated the struggle that I go through, and it it was just fucking magic.
02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:04.399
And then, you know, I mean, and she's Emma Stone is great in everything, literally everything.
02:05:04.720 --> 02:05:10.399
Um, but yeah, no, I mean it at the same time, it's the movie is also Frankenstein and looks incredible.
02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:22.880
So it's like it's like, hey, you know, come for the come for the Frankenstein, maybe leave a little smarter if you didn't have that that piece of the puzzle before, maybe you have that piece now.
02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:05:24.399 --> 02:05:29.520
Definitely, definitely the second best rendition of Frankenstein ever created.
02:05:29.600 --> 02:05:30.960
So first young.
02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:32.239
Okay.
02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:34.960
Young Frankenstein is definitely the greatest.
02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:39.680
Although I will I will say that the most recent one with Jacob Alordy was good as hell.
02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:40.880
I saw a clip of that.
02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:42.079
It looked uh looked real good.
02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:43.279
He was he's great.
02:05:43.359 --> 02:05:51.600
I know some people like to hate on Jake, Jacob Alordi for some reason, probably just because he's in euphoria, but I think he's a fantastic actor and he's gonna stand the test of time.
02:05:51.840 --> 02:06:08.399
I'm just laughing because of just remembering Peter Boyle as Frankenstein's monster in Young Frankenstein, and just all I but all I can think of is like his his character every time he uh every other time he's been on TV, which is just it's like uh I don't I don't know what's happening.
02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:12.000
Well well, are you bringing me back from from the dead or something?
02:06:12.079 --> 02:06:13.920
What are you doing over here?
02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:14.720
What is this?
02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:15.920
Raymond.
02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:19.279
I love him.
02:06:19.680 --> 02:06:26.800
Before we wrap up the Warriors, I did want to talk about the Lynn Manuel Miranda's concept album that came out a couple years ago.
02:06:27.039 --> 02:06:32.800
Um he Lynn Manuel Miranda watched the Warriors for the first time when he was four years old.
02:06:32.880 --> 02:06:38.159
And if you don't know who Lynn Manuel Miranda is, he's the guy who wrote Hamilton um and starred in Hamilton.
02:06:38.399 --> 02:06:40.880
I always forget that he was actually in it as well.
02:06:41.119 --> 02:06:54.319
Um but a couple years ago he did a concept album uh to be he says it's just he at the time he said it was just a concept album and he had no intention of making it a Broadway show.
02:06:54.479 --> 02:07:04.319
However, about a month ago, um a posting went up on all the Broadway boards looking for people to help workshop the dance scenes for this thing.
02:07:04.399 --> 02:07:09.359
They're obviously gonna bring it to Broadway, but the concept album, uh, he it's gender bent.
02:07:09.439 --> 02:07:12.159
So the Warriors are women and most of the gangs.
02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:26.640
Um like um they're all Broadway people, you won't know them, but interestingly, Cyrus is played by Lauren Hill, and her big song is called Can You Count, and it's so fucking good.
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And one of the great things that Lin Man, well, Miranda did with this um concept album is each of the gangs have a different musical style, like the Turnbull ACs have like Latin flavor, and um there's some other gangs that aren't in the movie, like the Hurricanes, the Bussies, and two of the original Warriors um Luther and Ajax are in the concept album as cops, which I think is hysterical.
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But my favorite casting in um the Warriors concept album is the guy who plays Luther.
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Uh, and like I said, they do different musical styles for all of the different gangs, and the gang that Luther is in has like a glam rock, almost Screamo sound to it, and he's played by an uh Australian uh heavy metal dude named Kim Dracula, and the Luther songs are the best thing in the show.
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Like just Kim Dracula, the heavy metal voculist.
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And it's it's great.
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Like, I hope when they do bring it to Broadway that I get to see Kim Dracula play this part and they don't recast it because it is pure magic.
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Um, so Kim Dracula, both the like most wait, but it's gender-bent, so it's a lady.
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No, it's Kim Dracula's only the warriors are gender-bent.
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The rest of them seem to be pretty a man named Kim Dracula is the most Australian and the most metal thing I've heard simultaneously.
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Oh, and Colman Domingo is in it.
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He plays um uh Cyrus's like right hand man.
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And um also in the in the in the show, each of the burrows are represented by a different person, and playing the burrows are ghost face killer and Riza, um Nas, Cameron, and Busta Rhimes, who plays Brooklyn.
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That's like a Mount Rushmore, right?
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What is Ghostface Killer supposed to represent?
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Ghostface Killer and Rizza are Staten Island.
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Okay, I was gonna say they can't.
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That's that's cultural appropriation if they're anything like Staten Island.
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And Camron is Manhattan, Nas is Queens, and some person named Chris Rivers is the Bronx.
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I don't know who Chris Rivers is, maybe he's the guy we saw at the bar.
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Chris Rivers is gonna end up being like he's a rapper that we know, but he's trying to use his real name now so that he I'm Dwayne Johnson now.
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While we were talking, I looked up some of the other people.
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Um, and one dude, uh Utkar Ambudkar, plays one of the orphans, and I looked him up.
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He was back in like 2013, he was the person who workshopped the role of Aaron Burr before it was even like uh with on Broadway.
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So I think that's that's the guy that looks like he looked like David Delmaschan, the the orphans guy.
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No, this guy looks like anything.
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Oh, okay.
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I mean and Mark Anthony isn't it?
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Mark Anthony doesn't mean anything to me, really.
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Mark Anthony?
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Yeah, he's just like a person.
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I know he's like a he sings songs, but he's not my kind of sing song or song singer.
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Isn't that like the isn't that was that Mark Anthony is uh Emperor of Rome or something?
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Oh, yeah, there we go.
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We brought it back to Rome.
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All roads lead to Rome.
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Truly.
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We're doing six degrees of Rome every episode of the podcast.
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Uh so yeah, at the end of all of that, uh, it is a popular movie.
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It is definitely a popular movie, and it it is going to have a resurgence, and it is time for a resurgence.
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Uh, if they pull off the musical, they'll end up doing a Netflix series or something like that.
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Uh but I will go see it on Broadway, no doubt.
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Warriors Lunchbox, you got Warriors Warriors Jean Jacket, all kinds of Warriors merch.
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Uh so I guess uh we already did the check-ins, we did the shout-outs.
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So I guess what is left is uh what's the next question on our list?
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Esports has uniforms.
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I feel like this was one of mine that we had in passing.
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Um so uh yeah, we're gonna hand the reins over to Christian and let him lead the way next time.
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Uh, because all I know is there's a giant stadium in Texas, and that's about it.
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So uh if you're willing, uh we'll hand the reins over and you can educate us on uh esports.
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I'll do my best.
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It's a very strange thing.
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I'm so excited to learn about it because it's very rare that I don't get to I get to learn about something I like know nothing about.
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It's like my knowledge about esports video games is the Fred Savage movie called The Wizard, and that is from the 80s.
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It's the Power Globe.
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I bet you like I know very little like really about the modern, like I know sort of where it's come from, but I feel deep, deep down, the wizard has something to do with all of this.
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Because that was like the big competition thing.
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Um, but we will find out because I don't think it's just that either.
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All right, and remember the Warriors.
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It was filmed in the Bronx in the friggin' Bronx.
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All right, bye later.
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No, it was nothing.