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Leo Dion (home): Welcome to
another episode of Empower Apps.
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I'm your host Leo Dion.
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Today I'm joined by Evan Stone.
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Hey Evan, thank you again for coming
on for this very special episode.
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Evan Stone (guest): Thanks
for having me on, Leo.
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Appreciate it.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
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Before we begin, I'll let you
go ahead and introduce yourself.
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Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah, I'm Evan
Stone and I live in California and I'm
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an iOS developer for MartianCraft and I
also have a podcast called iOS Dev Break
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and I'm also working on a A community,
a virtual co working community for
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iOS, Swift, Mac developers, etc.
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Called Swift Remote Studio.
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And that is still going well.
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And so, yeah that's pretty
much about me right now.
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I have some side projects and things
going on too, but mostly what I've
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been focusing on is those other
things and the jobby job work.
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Wonderlust,
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Leo Dion (home): Cool.
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We had you on previously.
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Was it last year to talk about UI kit?
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So I'm really happy to have you back on.
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You've been an awesome guest and we
have a very special episode today
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to talk about the Apple event.
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So what are your like overall
thoughts on how it went?
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Evan Stone (guest): let's see I thought
it went, I thought it went really well.
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Actually, it's funny, my
reactions afterwards were that
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I wasn't really, the things that
impressed me about it were not
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the things that I was expecting.
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So, they threw some curves in there
that I thought were pretty cool.
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And so I thought it was
a great event, actually.
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It went way better than I was expecting,
because I thought it was going to be
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ho hum, like, I don't know what they
can really, what can they beat from
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last year and what can they, Do that
will be more impressive than the vision
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pro, which they announced at WWDC.
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So, but I think they, they
did a pretty good job.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, I think
it was not what I, it was
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what I expected and not what I
expected both at the same time.
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What you're saying.
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And like you said, I was impressed
by things that I didn't think I
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was going to be impressed with.
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And I think we talked offline about
like my plans as far as purchasing
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and now I'm like, okay, I was wrong.
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Evan Stone (guest): Right?
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Me too.
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Me
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Leo Dion (home): there was
something I was holding out for
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that was like, unless I have that,
I wouldn't buy a brand new one.
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Now I'm like, yeah, okay,
now I got to buy a brand new
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one and we'll get into it.
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But yeah, this was the year I was
planning on spending some money,
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so I'd already saved up for it.
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And, yeah, so we'll start
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Evan Stone (guest): was smart.
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Leo Dion (home): we'll start off
talking about let's start off
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talking about the the Apple watch.
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Let's go with that.
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So I had been holding out for
an Apple watch for quite a while
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because quite frankly there really
hasn't been anything new in like
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the three or four years, like
other than a bigger size screen.
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It's really been boring.
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Are you in how involved of
an Apple watch user are you?
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Evan Stone (guest): I'm, there
are probably different levels,
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right, of Apple Watch usage.
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I use it all the time
for my fitness stuff.
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I have the watch on all the time.
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And I am currently rocking a Series 4.
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And, what I, what yeah, and with
the Apple event coming up...
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My plans were originally, see
what the Ultra would offer.
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But probably I would go with the series
nine whatever that was, whatever,
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beforehand, I had mostly just because I
wanted to get something that, if I could
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just replace the straight up, with the
series nine the wider 45 millimeter or
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whatever, then I would probably be okay.
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The thing that was really
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this happened just within the
last maybe two weeks, is that my.
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Battery levels, it just started
dropping like plummeting.
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It's almost like it knew that
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Leo Dion (home): you're not
on the beta or anything.
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Evan Stone (guest): It started before
the beta and then I switched to
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the beta and it seemed to improve
a little bit and then it went Back
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Leo Dion (home): Okay.
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Evan Stone (guest): the way it was
before I think it's just from age,
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because you know It's a series four.
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So that's what four or five years
ago, you know that I got it.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
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Evan Stone (guest): So yeah, so I
was really looking forward to seeing
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what the options were for this year,
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Leo Dion (home): So what did
you end up going with, Evan?
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Evan Stone (guest): I haven't made
any purchases yet, but the problem is
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Leo Dion (home): some people.
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Evan Stone (guest): yeah, unlike
some people so I really feel like
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I want to go with the ultra too.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah,
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Evan Stone (guest): I'm sure we can
talk about what those, the features are,
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But I w I was already
leaning towards an ultra.
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But, before this, and so now yeah,
I don't know, there were some
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things there that made me think,
okay, I'm gonna do the Ultra 2.
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I, I, the reason I didn't do an Ultra
last year was because I tend to shy away
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from whatever the V1 version of a thing
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Leo Dion (home): Same here.
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Same here.
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Evan Stone (guest): having said that,
Vision Pro is probably a V1 thing that
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would be advantageous to take a look at.
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But But, so I thought I'll just wait
for the Ultra 2, and then, I don't know.
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So, my current thinking is, if I
can swing it somehow I'll go for
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the Apple Watch Ultra 2, I think.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
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So I think I was leaning.
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So I was definitely going
to buy a new watch this year
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because this is the first year
where we have a brand new chip.
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Finally.
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Every like 6, 7, 8 have all
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like totally been disappointing.
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That they haven't really
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I was leaning more towards the Ultra
as somebody who develops apps for
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the watch, as well as the fact, just
surprised how many people have Ultras.
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And it's like, okay,
like this is actually
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Evan Stone (guest): the wild,
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Leo Dion (home): People like
it, people find it useful.
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So for me, it's like.
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reasonable device to buy because
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everybody else is buying it.
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Totally not, I'm not going
to be an avid outdoorsman.
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I'm not going to go deep sea diving.
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But, like, I really like the Apple Watch
and I wanna take it to the next level.
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Let's do this.
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So, the thing that I was really
impressed with on Ultra 2, honestly, was
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that watch face that they showed off.
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Most of the new watch faces that
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And they're a little bit novelty
acts with like, okay, I like Peanuts
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just as much as the next guy,
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Evan Stone (guest): right
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Leo Dion (home): come on.
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How much Toy Story,
like, it's just like...
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Yeah, but like this new
watch face looks fantastic.
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It's exactly what I want, is I want
a watch face digital clock on it.
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I can read an analog clock, but
when I flip my wrist, I don't want
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to do it, like, I don't want to
have to think about it, right?
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And it has like a ton of information
out there, and I'm just like,
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this is exactly what I want.
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This is what I want, like, this
is the watch face I want, and I'm
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like, yeah, I'm, I was already
leaning towards an Ultra but that
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kind of sealed the deal for me.
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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I was
I do Well, I haven't recently
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because I got a new bike accident
last year, but I was doing a lot
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of You know gearing up towards
doing more mountain biking stuff.
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And so the ultra was really appealing
to me But then I had that accident
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It was at the beginning of last
year and so I just thought I just
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I'll wait and but now I'm starting
to gear back up, no pun intended.
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And so I am thinking more in
terms of more fitness oriented
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activities and having a more
durable watch to take on those.
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Leo Dion (home): life!
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The battery
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That's exactly what I was just
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Leo Dion (home): two, like the
other thing, yeah, I do running,
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I've done a half marathon, so I'm
hoping to get back into running
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so, well, that would be super
helpful for me what was I gonna say?
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Oh, I was just gonna say, like,
yeah, you're never gonna see an ad
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of somebody sitting on the crapper
playing what's a good, what's a
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really horrible game that people play
where it has, like, all the gambling
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Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I don't know.
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Leo Dion (home): What's a jewel?
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Evan Stone (guest): Oh, yeah.
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Bejewel.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, you're
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Cause that ad in the beginning
was all like people getting their
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lives saved by having an iPhone.
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little of it is like, oh.
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I love the iPhone 14 because
it lets me doom scroll on x.
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So it's funny, just like reality
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That was a total sideline, but yeah,
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I'm looking at the screenshots
I took of that initial thing.
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The inspirational videos that they
have at the beginning about how Apple
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watch and iPhone save these people.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
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Leo Dion (home): And of course,
like, all the games, they're
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all like these fancy 3D games.
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It's not like, Oh, this game really
helped us catch the whale and we made
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a ton of money with these addictive...
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It's like, no.
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It's like, let's do, let's talk about
really fancy games and stuff, so.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it,
so the iPhone, you can order the Apple
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Watch Ultra now, probably the Series
9 now, and it will be available on
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the 22nd, so, yeah, anything else you
want to mention about the Apple Watch?
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Evan Stone (guest): So yeah,
they have the new processor.
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So that's awesome.
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But it's not only on the ultra,
but also the series nine they're
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claiming all day battery life, which
I mean, I was getting really good
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battery life before before, before
my watch started taking a nosedive.
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I thought that was interesting that
you can do name drop with the watch.
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Maybe that was something they
mentioned at WWDC that I missed.
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Leo Dion (home): Think so.
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That goes into the whole
new ultra wideband,
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Evan Stone (guest): Yes.
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Leo Dion (home): think.
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So the ultra wideband chip was
introduced on iPhone 11, so now
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And I think, so A, you get
better find my phone, right?
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And then on top of it, like,
I think the name drop on the
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their soft, they're only going
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Leo Dion (home): No new se this year.
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Leo Dion (home): so I was gonna,
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that's supported on both.
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Leo Dion (home): I put a link in the
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Leo Dion (home): they have briefly
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As far as like, just allowing you to do
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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah,
it's a, it's exactly like it.
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It's the same gesture.
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stuff like that because.
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the call and it just goes away.
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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
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Can we have double
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Leo Dion (home): I'm in the
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Can I not answer this call?
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Evan Stone (guest): Dismiss the call.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, exactly.
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Have you looked at any of
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Evan Stone (guest): haven't, but
I thought it was very interesting
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when it, when they announced it,
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what you can do with it
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what else I had in my notes.
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Evan Stone (guest): That's an
accessibility option that even
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, it is.
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Evan Stone (guest): average watch
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talk about the environment stuff?
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It was a cool skit.
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Evan Stone (guest): we could, yeah.
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That's what I would love.
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I, yeah, I thought that video was the
the environmental video was was fun.
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I'm not, I think it's good that Apple is
doing all of these environmental things.
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It's not necessarily a reason
for me to buy Apple products
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because of that, but I think it's
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And and that video with
Octavia Spencer was that was.
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I, in fact, I want to watch it again
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entertaining And it made you think
about things like, huh, I wouldn't, it's
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interesting that they're doing these
environmental things like the carbon
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neutral with Apple Watch Both of the
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Series 9 and the Ultra Depending on what
band you get and those kinds of things
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are they're interesting and it's great
that they're being very conscientious
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about that and it makes you think a
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that we do and you know do we find
that important i you know i think it's
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really cool that they're not only making
these amazing products but they're
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Leo Dion (home): Two things.
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One is I usually get the Nike watch and
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Evan Stone (guest): oh do you okay
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Leo Dion (home): it's too bad I
will not be getting a Nike watch,
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but I liked the little speckle
of recycled material in the band.
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I thought that looked really cool.
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And then the other, what's that?
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I think did I miss I think I looked
away for a second and they showed
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some of the Nike faces and then the
last one that they showed in that
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video, I was like, what is that?
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I won't be getting a Nike
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Unless there's a way to get
the access to those faces.
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I didn't, I don't
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even though they're software,
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I think they're locked out of
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Evan Stone (guest): Right.
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Like, it knows what type of watch it
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Leo Dion (home): Sorry, you
spent too much money on a watch.
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You can't get the
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Leo Dion (home): And then, yeah, I I
always wonder, and I don't know if you
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know the answer to this or if anybody
else does, feel free to chime in,
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but how does the environmental stuff
affect, like, the fact that Apple
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like they assemble a lot of stuff, but
they don't really make a lot of stuff.
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If you know what I mean?
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Like the screen comes from Samsung,
the chip comes from Foxconn.
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environmental initiatives when it
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Evan Stone (guest): Their third
party folks that they work
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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I don't know.
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It's a good question.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
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That's a good question.
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But Hey.
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Evan Stone (guest): Apple strikes me
as the type to be able to use their
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influence, to motivate the people they
work with to go in that direction.
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whether they do or not, I don't know.
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But throw a little more money
at the problem, maybe that
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would help, or I don't know.
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It's an interesting question, though.
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Leo Dion (home): IPhone 15.
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Are you buying an iPhone 15?
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Evan Stone (guest):
It was not on my list.
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Until I saw two things.
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Even the USB C was not
really enough to motivate me.
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I thought that's great.
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I love the convenience of
now my iPad Pro and my, the
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And even the AirPods Pro.
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I thought that was great too.
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They converted that as well.
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But so iPhone 15, I
was not planning on it.
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Until I saw a, the titanium
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Leo Dion (home): Well,
that's a pro that's a pro.
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Let's just talk about the
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Evan Stone (guest): Oh 15.
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No, it's not on my radar.
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Leo Dion (home): My initial thought
was like, I'd rather get an iPhone
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14 Pro that has a bunch of other
bells and whistles attached to it,
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than get an iPhone 15 at this point.
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Because it's like, yeah, you save 100.
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I want to try out the Dynamic Island.
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Like, that's the thing, is I have
an old enough phone now that, and
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going back to what you said, like,
the V1 is never like, I'd rather
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get the V2 of something, and Dynamic
Island is a classic example of that.
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So it was like, I'm either
going to get a 14 or a 15.
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So, yeah, so like, I just don't like
you get so many features with the 14
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pro over the 15, like the promotion
always on screen, probably like it
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just, and probably the cameras honestly,
probably better, even though there
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might be some more fancy machine
learning in the 15, I would assume
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you get a better camera on the 14 pro.
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So it's like, yeah, I don't know.
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That's my thinking.
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Evan Stone (guest): I got the
sense that it's, it felt like
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the camera from the 14 pro.
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Was in the 15, but I
could be wrong about that.
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I'm not a, camera photography
guy So I don't keep track of,
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excuse me, I don't keep track
of all of those details, super
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Leo Dion (home): the 15 Pro has
three lenses as opposed to the 14,
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er, 15 has only two lenses, the
14 Pro always has the three lens.
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So, you, I don't see how you would
ever get a better camera, technically.
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So, yeah, right.
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Evan Stone (guest): No, that's
probably a good strategy If you're
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between those two options, like,
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at this point 14 Pro would probably
still be a better option than a 15 Or
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Leo Dion (home): yeah, so,
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Evan Stone (guest): the 15
plus I totally forgot about
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the 15 plus, you know that
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Leo Dion (home): do you like,
are you a big screen person
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or a small screen person?
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Evan Stone (guest): yeah, I'm
I've always had ever since the
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six plus I've gone with the
oh, I'm sorry I take that back.
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I did get an iPhone 10, but the
next phone after the iPhone 10 I
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was back to the large displays.
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So So, yeah I have a 14 pro max right
now, and I think I'm gonna stick with
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that even though every once in a while
I, like if I go, if I ask my wife for
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her phone, she has a 12 PRO, and I go
this is actually not a bad form factor
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So, I
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Leo Dion (home): What do you feel like
you gain out of I have a Max as well,
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like, and I don't know if I'd go Max,
say, with Max or go with regular Pro.
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What do you like, what's
your feeling on it?
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Evan Stone (guest): I just,
I like the larger screen.
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I feel like it.
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It makes things, yeah, there's just
more to it, right, and it has a
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slightly better camera, also, I think,
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Leo Dion (home): right, yeah, that's
true, that is true, right, right.
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So let's get
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Evan Stone (guest): about that, but,
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Leo Dion (home): yeah, let's
get into the Pro so why what
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Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah,
so the 15 Pro, for me, that, that
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material, that titanium, having a, it's
stronger, lighter, thinner borders.
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Made out of the same stuff
the Mars Rover is made out of.
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No, that's not really
a selling point for me.
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But the brush texture, it's a
really awesome looking phone.
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Even though, I put mine in a case,
so I probably wouldn't even see that.
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But but having a lighter
phone would be nice.
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Leo Dion (home): Yeah so, yeah.
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Evan Stone (guest): then also the
other feature for the pros for me was
437
00:20:10,634 -->
00:20:15,114
the Camera, and I don't know what do
we want to do the spoiler thing with
438
00:20:15,214 -->
00:20:21,774
the spatial camera So doing spatial
video for me that was the one Thing
439
00:20:22,504 -->
00:20:26,504
that I saw that I thought oh now I
have to upgrade at least I think I do
440
00:20:26,944 -->
00:20:28,894
Leo Dion (home): I think that
was the thing that I was like,
441
00:20:29,094 -->
00:20:32,094
well, it sounds like they're not
going to even have that this year.
442
00:20:32,544 -->
00:20:34,914
That I'm like, I'll just get the 14 Pro.
443
00:20:35,394 -->
00:20:37,829
And then when they announced
that today, I was just like...
444
00:20:38,829 -->
00:20:40,879
Yeah, I have to get the 15 pro.
445
00:20:41,249 -->
00:20:43,469
Is it only on the max or is it on both?
446
00:20:44,324 -->
00:20:45,324
Evan Stone (guest): I think it's on both
447
00:20:45,699 -->
00:20:46,069
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
448
00:20:46,399 -->
00:20:46,789
Okay.
449
00:20:47,009 -->
00:20:47,609
But the fifth,
450
00:20:47,844 -->
00:20:48,894
Evan Stone (guest):
That's my understanding.
451
00:20:49,259 -->
00:20:51,929
Leo Dion (home): the max is
the one that has the six X
452
00:20:51,959 -->
00:20:53,669
optical zoom, is that correct?
453
00:20:54,669 -->
00:20:55,469
Evan Stone (guest): I think so.
454
00:20:55,744 -->
00:20:56,074
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
455
00:20:56,664 -->
00:20:59,054
This is what happens when you
record right after the event.
456
00:20:59,694 -->
00:21:00,814
Let me look real quick.
457
00:21:00,919 -->
00:21:01,489
Evan Stone (guest): looking at the
458
00:21:02,489 -->
00:21:04,369
Leo Dion (home): Come
on, camera, pro camera,
459
00:21:04,424 -->
00:21:05,274
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah,
where is the camera?
460
00:21:06,274 -->
00:21:10,874
Leo Dion (home): digital zoom,
optical zoom on the pro is only 3x
461
00:21:11,404 -->
00:21:14,594
optical zoom on the max is 5x 3x
462
00:21:14,709 -->
00:21:15,669
Evan Stone (guest): Three X on the pro.
463
00:21:16,669 -->
00:21:17,209
And then,
464
00:21:17,344 -->
00:21:20,704
Leo Dion (home): and no 3d
sensor shift optical image
465
00:21:20,714 -->
00:21:22,184
stabilization and autofocus.
466
00:21:22,774 -->
00:21:26,454
I assume that 3d thing is
probably for spatial video.
467
00:21:27,459 -->
00:21:29,619
I'm gonna assume that and I
could totally be wrong and
468
00:21:29,659 -->
00:21:30,949
somebody can call me out on it.
469
00:21:31,249 -->
00:21:34,579
But my, my my thinking is,
I think you can only do
470
00:21:34,579 -->
00:21:40,109
spatial video on the Pro Max.
471
00:21:40,969 -->
00:21:42,649
Cause I don't see spatial...
472
00:21:43,649 -->
00:21:46,099
Spatial audio, but they don't
say anything about spatial video.
473
00:21:46,244 -->
00:21:48,234
Evan Stone (guest): oh, that's
not even on the tech specs.
474
00:21:48,899 -->
00:21:50,129
Leo Dion (home): yeah,
that's what I'm looking at.
475
00:21:50,789 -->
00:21:55,649
Because I assume that's a software
thing, probably, that will be in 17.
476
00:21:55,649 -->
00:21:56,659
2 at this point.
477
00:21:56,669 -->
00:21:58,399
So, yeah.
478
00:21:58,519 -->
00:22:00,339
Spatial video.
479
00:22:00,349 -->
00:22:02,219
It's on the first part.
480
00:22:03,219 -->
00:22:06,649
So, because that's a software
thing that isn't available yet.
481
00:22:07,649 -->
00:22:10,829
Evan Stone (guest): I bet if we went
back into the event video and checked
482
00:22:11,169 -->
00:22:15,059
Leo Dion (home): Take spatial videos on
the 15 Pro and relive them on the Apple.
483
00:22:15,069 -->
00:22:16,599
So maybe that is on either one.
484
00:22:17,599 -->
00:22:18,389
Evan Stone (guest): I would hope so.
485
00:22:19,389 -->
00:22:21,299
Leo Dion (home): But you like the
bigger phone anyway, what do you care?
486
00:22:22,299 -->
00:22:22,799
Evan Stone (guest): I know.
487
00:22:22,829 -->
00:22:23,269
I know.
488
00:22:24,199 -->
00:22:25,909
though I've been thinking of, okay.
489
00:22:25,969 -->
00:22:26,229
So.
490
00:22:26,534 -->
00:22:31,174
Yes, I like the bigger phone, but
having tried the smaller one, I've also
491
00:22:31,174 -->
00:22:33,274
liked, it's an interesting form factor.
492
00:22:33,934 -->
00:22:37,684
For me, it would feel like a little
bit downsizing, but it could play
493
00:22:37,684 -->
00:22:43,734
into the strategy of buying this
year's smaller phone and then being
494
00:22:43,734 -->
00:22:48,349
a, doing the thing where, I could
pass on the pro from this year.
495
00:22:48,809 -->
00:22:52,449
To my wife who prefers a smaller
phone next year, and then just
496
00:22:52,449 -->
00:22:53,669
do that kind of cycle where
497
00:22:53,714 -->
00:22:55,124
Leo Dion (home): Gotcha and
then that way you and your
498
00:22:55,124 -->
00:22:57,114
wife are on the same size and
499
00:22:57,829 -->
00:22:58,519
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.
500
00:22:58,579 -->
00:22:58,969
Yeah.
501
00:22:59,249 -->
00:23:00,959
I've been toying around with that idea.
502
00:23:01,009 -->
00:23:03,299
I've also been thinking about
doing the upgrade program,
503
00:23:03,299 -->
00:23:04,559
if that's a thing still.
504
00:23:04,589 -->
00:23:05,639
I don't I thought it was
505
00:23:06,129 -->
00:23:08,099
Leo Dion (home): so how
often do you buy a new phone?
506
00:23:09,099 -->
00:23:11,239
Evan Stone (guest): I don't
really buy a phone all that often.
507
00:23:11,489 -->
00:23:15,019
But with an upgrade program like
that, I don't know, I might be
508
00:23:15,019 -->
00:23:16,969
inclined to, to do that every year.
509
00:23:17,009 -->
00:23:17,229
I don't
510
00:23:17,249 -->
00:23:17,599
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
511
00:23:18,599 -->
00:23:20,539
Evan Stone (guest): I want
to see how that all works.
512
00:23:20,579 -->
00:23:24,159
I've every every year I well not
every year, but whenever I am
513
00:23:24,159 -->
00:23:27,299
going to search for a phone, I
look at the specs or the details
514
00:23:27,309 -->
00:23:28,859
of that and I think not this time.
515
00:23:29,319 -->
00:23:29,469
So,
516
00:23:29,989 -->
00:23:34,359
Leo Dion (home): yeah, I think
last year, so the iPhone 11
517
00:23:34,369 -->
00:23:35,849
pro max was my last phone.
518
00:23:35,849 -->
00:23:37,729
And I actually bought that used.
519
00:23:38,489 -->
00:23:39,379
That's my current phone.
520
00:23:39,389 -->
00:23:43,189
I actually bought it used the year of
the iPhone 12 because I just was not
521
00:23:43,199 -->
00:23:44,749
impressed with anything on the 12th.
522
00:23:45,419 -->
00:23:46,879
And I was like, I want dark.
523
00:23:47,089 -->
00:23:50,489
So I had a I had a 10 S before that.
524
00:23:51,229 -->
00:23:51,679
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, okay.
525
00:23:52,189 -->
00:23:54,159
Leo Dion (home): And that
I had bought brand new.
526
00:23:54,159 -->
00:23:56,369
And then before that I bought
the eight plus brand new.
527
00:23:56,369 -->
00:23:59,029
I did not buy a 10 cause I
wanted to save some money.
528
00:23:59,029 -->
00:24:00,019
I didn't really care about.
529
00:24:00,714 -->
00:24:02,044
Face ID and all that stuff.
530
00:24:02,164 -->
00:24:05,654
But the iPhone 11 pro, I was like,
I had to get that because I really
531
00:24:05,654 -->
00:24:07,264
wanted the dark at night photos.
532
00:24:07,304 -->
00:24:10,494
And then everything since then, other
than maybe the dynamic Island, there
533
00:24:10,494 -->
00:24:16,854
really hasn't been anything that's like
enticed me and then just the battery.
534
00:24:17,249 -->
00:24:18,079
Gotten worse.
535
00:24:18,089 -->
00:24:20,079
It's a five year old phone,
as you might imagine.
536
00:24:20,119 -->
00:24:24,679
And like, I wanted something with a
dynamic island and I figured there's
537
00:24:24,679 -->
00:24:27,259
been enough upgrades in the last
three or four years, that's worth it.
538
00:24:27,289 -->
00:24:31,379
And it's like, okay, so this year
it's either 14 pro or 15 pro.
539
00:24:31,419 -->
00:24:33,379
And like you said, spatial video.
540
00:24:34,049 -->
00:24:34,539
That's it.
541
00:24:34,589 -->
00:24:35,849
Like that does it for me.
542
00:24:35,989 -->
00:24:36,319
Evan Stone (guest): Yep.
543
00:24:37,209 -->
00:24:39,429
Leo Dion (home): the, there's a bunch
of other stuff that I liked about the
544
00:24:39,429 -->
00:24:42,799
pro, but really that spatial video
thing is the thing I was waiting on.
545
00:24:43,249 -->
00:24:45,589
I was like, I'll buy a 14 and
the next year they'll come out
546
00:24:45,589 -->
00:24:48,009
with spatial video, but now they
already have it out this year.
547
00:24:48,009 -->
00:24:50,469
So like now I'm like, I gotta get it.
548
00:24:50,579 -->
00:24:51,669
I gotta get the new one.
549
00:24:52,409 -->
00:24:52,969
So yeah.
550
00:24:52,969 -->
00:24:54,309
How much space do you usually get?
551
00:24:55,309 -->
00:24:58,139
Evan Stone (guest): Typically
I think I've been edging up, I
552
00:24:58,139 -->
00:24:59,739
think I have a 512 right now.
553
00:25:00,314 -->
00:25:06,954
I, but I think I probably could have
got a 2 56 and not, I would've, I
554
00:25:06,954 -->
00:25:11,174
would be creeping up to, filling
it up, but, or maybe I am over it.
555
00:25:11,564 -->
00:25:13,454
Anyway, so I'm happy with the five 12.
556
00:25:13,484 -->
00:25:15,504
I think that was the right
decision on this last one.
557
00:25:16,504 -->
00:25:16,744
Leo Dion (home): price
558
00:25:16,939 -->
00:25:17,209
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
559
00:25:17,209 -->
00:25:17,569
So
560
00:25:17,584 -->
00:25:21,894
Leo Dion (home): 1TB, unless I could
get all my photos on there, which I
561
00:25:21,894 -->
00:25:24,794
can't because I have too many photos,
like, I think I'm just gonna stick
562
00:25:24,794 -->
00:25:27,704
with 512 again and it's perfectly fine.
563
00:25:28,704 -->
00:25:28,914
Evan Stone (guest): yeah.
564
00:25:28,914 -->
00:25:29,994
And if, yeah.
565
00:25:30,054 -->
00:25:33,474
Well then we have the spatial video
thing of like how dense is that?
566
00:25:33,864 -->
00:25:34,374
I don't know.
567
00:25:34,779 -->
00:25:36,939
Leo Dion (home): Well, I don't know
if you know this, but Apple likes
568
00:25:36,939 -->
00:25:40,319
to make money off of services, and
they offered a new service this year,
569
00:25:40,679 -->
00:25:41,279
Evan Stone (guest): Yes.
570
00:25:41,655 -->
00:25:43,115
Leo Dion (home): the 6TB plan.
571
00:25:43,575 -->
00:25:47,575
So, yeah, I think they know
exactly what they're doing here,
572
00:25:47,655 -->
00:25:49,125
Evan Stone (guest): I was
really happy about that.
573
00:25:49,185 -->
00:25:50,995
Leo Dion (home): No, I'm happy
about it too, because I'm sick
574
00:25:51,104 -->
00:25:52,024
Evan Stone (guest): so
575
00:25:52,115 -->
00:25:52,915
Leo Dion (home): out of space.
576
00:25:53,534 -->
00:25:54,084
Evan Stone (guest): right?
577
00:25:54,684 -->
00:26:02,144
So all our, all my family is on
a two terabyte and I've, I just
578
00:26:02,164 -->
00:26:06,064
checked, maybe I want to say
maybe a month ago or whatever.
579
00:26:06,414 -->
00:26:08,594
And I was concerned that.
580
00:26:09,104 -->
00:26:12,334
Oh, no two terabytes, the limit and
581
00:26:12,394 -->
00:26:14,034
Leo Dion (home): How many
people are we talking here?
582
00:26:14,654 -->
00:26:17,324
Evan Stone (guest): and it's just
three of us, but my daughter takes
583
00:26:17,774 -->
00:26:21,904
a lot of video and she shares a lot
of videos and gets a lot of, so a
584
00:26:21,904 -->
00:26:26,694
lot of her video stuff ends up in in
iCloud and I have quite a bit too.
585
00:26:27,194 -->
00:26:31,294
So, so the fact that they're
introducing new plans.
586
00:26:32,294 -->
00:26:33,574
is such a welcome change.
587
00:26:33,624 -->
00:26:34,964
I'm really glad that they're doing that.
588
00:26:35,294 -->
00:26:41,724
Leo Dion (home): So the two older
daughters have now devices of their own.
589
00:26:41,824 -->
00:26:44,694
And by devices, an old iPhone
and an old Apple watch.
590
00:26:44,794 -->
00:26:46,754
So we're not quite at
a point where we are.
591
00:26:47,874 -->
00:26:49,234
Taking up a lot of space.
592
00:26:49,684 -->
00:26:54,954
However yeah, I don't, they, do
they, what's the max right now on
593
00:26:55,534 -->
00:26:57,064
the number of people in your family?
594
00:26:57,474 -->
00:27:00,254
As you might, as I have a lot of people
in my family, so that's why I asked
595
00:27:00,354 -->
00:27:01,074
Evan Stone (guest): Right.
596
00:27:01,644 -->
00:27:02,314
I don't know.
597
00:27:02,314 -->
00:27:02,554
Is
598
00:27:02,624 -->
00:27:04,584
Leo Dion (home): But luckily
they're youngins, so they
599
00:27:04,584 -->
00:27:06,074
don't really have accounts.
600
00:27:06,874 -->
00:27:07,594
I can see.
601
00:27:08,079 -->
00:27:09,919
In a few years that becoming an issue.
602
00:27:10,409 -->
00:27:15,129
I'll have to file a
feedback back item for that.
603
00:27:15,579 -->
00:27:16,069
We'll see.
604
00:27:17,189 -->
00:27:20,109
But yeah, if you have a daughter
who takes a lot of Video?
605
00:27:20,169 -->
00:27:22,089
That's, yeah, I could see that eat away.
606
00:27:22,239 -->
00:27:24,839
Especially spatial video
in the next year or two.
607
00:27:24,959 -->
00:27:25,329
Yeah.
608
00:27:26,054 -->
00:27:26,464
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
609
00:27:27,124 -->
00:27:31,044
And unfortunately, they haven't
changed the iCloud plus information.
610
00:27:31,054 -->
00:27:32,204
So if you go to apple.
611
00:27:32,224 -->
00:27:37,414
com iCloud, it still says it has
two terabytes as the top end.
612
00:27:38,074 -->
00:27:38,484
So.
613
00:27:38,729 -->
00:27:42,079
Leo Dion (home): So did they, explain
again, do they up everybody's to six?
614
00:27:42,089 -->
00:27:44,019
Or do you have to pay more for six?
615
00:27:44,284 -->
00:27:46,744
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, that
is a really good question.
616
00:27:47,174 -->
00:27:50,704
Let me, let's see if I
have that screenshot.
617
00:27:51,704 -->
00:27:53,554
I got the cents that we had to pay.
618
00:27:54,079 -->
00:27:56,179
Leo Dion (home): I would
assume Apple would not.
619
00:27:57,154 -->
00:27:58,784
Evan Stone (guest): I would,
yeah, I'd assume that we just
620
00:27:58,784 -->
00:28:01,014
have to pay more for the 6 and 12.
621
00:28:01,359 -->
00:28:02,569
Leo Dion (home): I
would assume so as well.
622
00:28:02,904 -->
00:28:07,704
Evan Stone (guest): So, but, I'm, oh,
I'm glad that they didn't do, yeah,
623
00:28:07,704 -->
00:28:13,204
so it's, yeah, it's, so they still
have the 2 and then there's 6 and 12.
624
00:28:13,864 -->
00:28:15,594
They don't mention any prices there.
625
00:28:16,114 -->
00:28:20,424
But my assumption is that you just
pay more and you get more space.
626
00:28:20,784 -->
00:28:23,504
I'm glad they didn't do 2, 4, 6.
627
00:28:23,584 -->
00:28:25,904
So now we have a lot more space here.
628
00:28:26,354 -->
00:28:26,894
This is great.
629
00:28:27,209 -->
00:28:27,559
Leo Dion (home): Right.
630
00:28:27,844 -->
00:28:29,544
Evan Stone (guest): Of course, I
haven't seen the prices yet, so I
631
00:28:29,914 -->
00:28:32,054
may not be that great, ultimately.
632
00:28:33,099 -->
00:28:34,709
Leo Dion (home): Anything
else you want to talk about
633
00:28:34,729 -->
00:28:36,719
concerning the event today?
634
00:28:37,674 -->
00:28:38,574
Evan Stone (guest): Let's see.
635
00:28:39,574 -->
00:28:42,954
I didn't know if, did we want
to talk about the A 17 at all?
636
00:28:43,074 -->
00:28:44,854
I don't have much to...
637
00:28:45,199 -->
00:28:45,619
Leo Dion (home): the same.
638
00:28:46,009 -->
00:28:48,539
Evan Stone (guest): Talk about
it other than, oh, it's, we
639
00:28:48,539 -->
00:28:51,249
haven't, it's a new processor and
640
00:28:51,319 -->
00:28:52,439
Leo Dion (home): the
three millimeter one?
641
00:28:52,579 -->
00:28:53,839
Evan Stone (guest):
Yeah, three nanometer.
642
00:28:54,419 -->
00:28:55,459
So that's a, that's a big.
643
00:28:55,834 -->
00:28:56,464
A big deal.
644
00:28:56,474 -->
00:28:56,734
No.
645
00:28:57,004 -->
00:29:02,074
I'm not one of these processor spec
type people who watches that, but
646
00:29:02,424 -->
00:29:05,614
the smaller that gets, the more
they can fit and it makes it, they
647
00:29:05,614 -->
00:29:09,174
can do more, they can be faster,
more cores and that kind of stuff.
648
00:29:09,574 -->
00:29:12,794
And so it looks like they're still
trying to push the envelope on that.
649
00:29:13,014 -->
00:29:15,264
It sounds like they did some
really good stuff with the GPU
650
00:29:15,644 -->
00:29:17,464
higher frame rates, ray tracing.
651
00:29:17,914 -->
00:29:20,144
The ray tracing demo
was pretty impressive.
652
00:29:20,514 -->
00:29:25,384
I'm not a real gamer, so I don't I
didn't really have much to compare
653
00:29:25,444 -->
00:29:29,514
against, but it looked cool, and I
was thinking in terms of Vision Pro.
654
00:29:29,764 -->
00:29:33,984
Like, maybe that's something that
is a byproduct of that work too.
655
00:29:34,659 -->
00:29:35,819
Leo Dion (home): Well,
the Vision Pro is an
656
00:29:36,104 -->
00:29:38,364
Evan Stone (guest): Vision
Pro's gonna be, yeah, M2, yeah.
657
00:29:38,529 -->
00:29:39,669
Leo Dion (home): Or M2, yeah, right.
658
00:29:40,414 -->
00:29:44,044
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, so, but,
at this point they're all cousins,
659
00:29:44,094 -->
00:29:48,234
so they probably share ideas and
design and that kind of stuff.
660
00:29:50,074 -->
00:29:51,964
But, Oh, we, you know
what we didn't talk about?
661
00:29:52,494 -->
00:29:53,584
We didn't talk about the action.
662
00:29:53,674 -->
00:29:55,094
We didn't talk about the action button.
663
00:29:56,224 -->
00:29:57,124
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
664
00:29:57,304 -->
00:29:57,944
Evan Stone (guest): and the phone.
665
00:29:58,064 -->
00:29:59,574
And so what do you think about that?
666
00:30:00,584 -->
00:30:01,384
Leo Dion (home): It's nice.
667
00:30:02,384 -->
00:30:03,564
It's good that we moved it.
668
00:30:03,654 -->
00:30:05,914
Like, let's be honest.
669
00:30:06,064 -->
00:30:11,234
Most people silence their phones and
never, like, Unless you're people
670
00:30:11,234 -->
00:30:14,974
who don't silence their phones tend
to be not very technically savvy.
671
00:30:15,254 -->
00:30:18,434
So it's nice to see that you can
add, like, now you have an action
672
00:30:18,434 -->
00:30:19,834
button that you can customize.
673
00:30:20,484 -->
00:30:23,644
Like there's a, there's definitely a lot
of great ideas that they talked about.
674
00:30:23,644 -->
00:30:26,474
And then, I assume that their
shortcut implementation as well.
675
00:30:26,984 -->
00:30:28,074
What did you think about it?
676
00:30:29,164 -->
00:30:29,554
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
677
00:30:29,554 -->
00:30:33,134
So I'm thinking the same line of
thought that you were just talking
678
00:30:33,134 -->
00:30:36,684
about, which is that at first I
thought, well, why would I want that?
679
00:30:36,684 -->
00:30:40,314
I really like having the hardware
silence button, but then I thought.
680
00:30:40,859 -->
00:30:44,189
I like literally never turn it off.
681
00:30:44,509 -->
00:30:45,699
I always have it silenced.
682
00:30:46,309 -->
00:30:50,549
So, so then I started
thinking, well, actually that
683
00:30:50,549 -->
00:30:51,899
makes a lot of sense to me.
684
00:30:51,969 -->
00:30:53,529
I would be happy to have that.
685
00:30:54,234 -->
00:30:57,884
In my control center, I would,
silencing, if I could have that
686
00:30:57,884 -->
00:31:01,534
in my control center, just pull
down silence, I'm fine with that.
687
00:31:01,654 -->
00:31:05,424
And then have the side button
be used for other things.
688
00:31:05,774 -->
00:31:06,584
I think that's great.
689
00:31:06,584 -->
00:31:10,699
Like the photo, using it for it to
take pictures or the shortcut thing.
690
00:31:10,759 -->
00:31:14,389
I'm not, I'm, again, I'm not a
huge shortcut and I'm not a power
691
00:31:14,389 -->
00:31:19,099
user with shortcuts, but it could
be cool, I guess to to use that.
692
00:31:19,349 -->
00:31:21,349
Leo Dion (home): and I'm curious if
you can like customize it to be like.
693
00:31:22,209 -->
00:31:26,119
One tap does this, long tap
does that, double tap does this,
694
00:31:26,129 -->
00:31:29,149
triple tap does this, like, I
don't know, I would assume so.
695
00:31:29,879 -->
00:31:33,019
So, yeah, I, we're both, we're
getting two action buttons.
696
00:31:33,399 -->
00:31:35,959
Assuming you get an ultra, like, so,
697
00:31:35,984 -->
00:31:37,384
Evan Stone (guest): thinking
the same thing about the ultra.
698
00:31:37,494 -->
00:31:41,284
Leo Dion (home): So, yeah there's
a lot you could do with ultra.
699
00:31:41,584 -->
00:31:42,284
Or the action
700
00:31:42,379 -->
00:31:45,899
Evan Stone (guest): accessible to us
as developers is the action button
701
00:31:46,149 -->
00:31:48,989
accessible to us on Apple watch ultra?
702
00:31:49,019 -->
00:31:50,439
Okay, so that's cool.
703
00:31:50,469 -->
00:31:52,479
So maybe it would be
available to us as well.
704
00:31:52,489 -->
00:31:56,839
This is the action button on
iPhone 15 Pro So, it opens up
705
00:31:56,839 -->
00:31:58,249
some interesting possibilities.
706
00:31:59,379 -->
00:32:01,739
Again, that's, it's not
really a selling point to me.
707
00:32:01,769 -->
00:32:05,139
It's cool and it'll
be interesting to see.
708
00:32:05,139 -->
00:32:07,769
And it, by default, it
acts as a silent button.
709
00:32:07,769 -->
00:32:08,639
So that's fine.
710
00:32:09,614 -->
00:32:12,504
Leo Dion (home): I think it's
I think it's good that we don't
711
00:32:12,514 -->
00:32:19,224
have a hardware switch that may
be allowing damage to an iPhone.
712
00:32:19,959 -->
00:32:20,439
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
713
00:32:20,504 -->
00:32:22,764
Leo Dion (home): in kind of the same
way that we got rid of a hardware
714
00:32:22,764 -->
00:32:27,994
switch that Hardware home button and
switch that to in between getting rid
715
00:32:27,994 -->
00:32:32,494
of the home button, we switch that to
software button, so I think like that
716
00:32:32,494 -->
00:32:36,534
to me, like, Hey, if it reduces water
damage or anything else, go for it.
717
00:32:37,499 -->
00:32:37,839
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
718
00:32:37,939 -->
00:32:38,179
Yeah.
719
00:32:38,189 -->
00:32:38,949
It makes a lot of sense.
720
00:32:39,779 -->
00:32:41,469
Leo Dion (home): People
don't buy ringtones anymore.
721
00:32:41,469 -->
00:32:45,799
So if you wanted to buy a ringtone,
unfortunately you can't really
722
00:32:45,819 -->
00:32:48,409
have a ringtone for iPhone 15 pro.
723
00:32:48,409 -->
00:32:49,719
So, yeah.
724
00:32:50,719 -->
00:32:53,329
Evan Stone (guest): We didn't really
discuss the USB C stuff, did we?
725
00:32:53,349 -->
00:32:53,639
Or,
726
00:32:53,839 -->
00:32:54,639
Leo Dion (home): We did it!
727
00:32:54,659 -->
00:32:55,539
Thank you, Evan.
728
00:32:56,439 -->
00:32:59,519
Because everybody has been talking
about it for weeks beforehand,
729
00:32:59,519 -->
00:33:02,449
so it's like, it totally was
like, yeah, we know it's USB C.
730
00:33:02,449 -->
00:33:09,009
So, iPhone 15 gets USB C, but
it's USB 2 speeds, I believe.
731
00:33:09,029 -->
00:33:11,699
So it's basically no faster
than what you get in a
732
00:33:11,834 -->
00:33:12,404
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I see.
733
00:33:12,444 -->
00:33:12,734
Okay.
734
00:33:12,929 -->
00:33:14,559
Leo Dion (home): The Pro,
you can get a Thunderbolt
735
00:33:14,569 -->
00:33:16,579
cable, and then now you can...
736
00:33:17,579 -->
00:33:21,609
It'll actually, like, be Thunderbolt
speeds, which is, I think, a thousand
737
00:33:21,609 -->
00:33:23,629
times faster than what USB 2 is.
738
00:33:23,689 -->
00:33:29,589
I, that was something that interested
me based on the rumors, because I
739
00:33:29,599 -->
00:33:33,489
would be curious to see if it's a
lot faster to debug on an iPhone
740
00:33:33,499 -->
00:33:35,129
Pro with a Thunderbolt cable.
741
00:33:35,759 -->
00:33:39,309
And also, as Apple watch developer
it's better, but still could
742
00:33:39,319 -->
00:33:41,489
be even more, more better.
743
00:33:41,909 -->
00:33:43,189
So I'd be curious about that.
744
00:33:43,299 -->
00:33:44,339
But yeah, yeah.
745
00:33:44,339 -->
00:33:45,199
What do you think?
746
00:33:45,819 -->
00:33:47,909
Evan Stone (guest): I didn't catch
the thing about the Thunderbolt,
747
00:33:47,939 -->
00:33:49,289
but now that totally makes sense.
748
00:33:49,309 -->
00:33:52,599
I thought it was just USB 3, but if
it's Thunderbolt, then that would make
749
00:33:53,089 -->
00:33:58,709
their sales pitch about the, doing
video straight to an external drive.
750
00:33:59,224 -->
00:34:02,724
Like an external SSD or whatever,
that would make a lot of sense
751
00:34:02,794 -->
00:34:04,684
being able to and with that high,
752
00:34:04,729 -->
00:34:04,919
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
753
00:34:04,919 -->
00:34:08,349
The extra external SSD or
external hard drive is amazing.
754
00:34:08,359 -->
00:34:08,669
That's going to be
755
00:34:08,894 -->
00:34:09,294
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
756
00:34:09,989 -->
00:34:11,279
Yeah, that, no that's really cool.
757
00:34:11,329 -->
00:34:14,039
Not that I would ever use it,
but for people who are doing
758
00:34:14,039 -->
00:34:15,289
video that's pretty cool.
759
00:34:15,389 -->
00:34:17,489
And so USB C would enable that.
760
00:34:17,489 -->
00:34:18,479
You can't do it with lightning.
761
00:34:18,849 -->
00:34:23,679
The, I thought just on practical
terms having, I guess we did
762
00:34:23,679 -->
00:34:28,279
mention this before but AirPods
Pro 2, the new version also is USB
763
00:34:28,279 -->
00:34:29,969
C and I thought interesting too.
764
00:34:29,969 -->
00:34:31,709
They're the the cabled AirPods.
765
00:34:31,939 -->
00:34:35,289
They're having a USB C version of
that too but that makes sense because
766
00:34:35,389 -->
00:34:36,769
Leo Dion (home): does
that come with the iPhone?
767
00:34:36,849 -->
00:34:37,069
Evan Stone (guest): one.
768
00:34:37,949 -->
00:34:39,579
No, I don't think it comes anymore.
769
00:34:40,039 -->
00:34:40,429
No.
770
00:34:41,599 -->
00:34:43,009
Yeah, you'd have to buy it separately.
771
00:34:43,329 -->
00:34:46,229
Leo Dion (home): So finally you can
get external storage for your iPhone.
772
00:34:47,189 -->
00:34:48,249
Take that Android.
773
00:34:48,649 -->
00:34:49,159
Evan Stone (guest): that's right.
774
00:34:49,284 -->
00:34:51,784
Leo Dion (home): No ringtones,
but we have external storage now.
775
00:34:51,784 -->
00:34:52,284
Yay!
776
00:34:52,519 -->
00:34:52,639
Evan Stone (guest): Ha.
777
00:34:53,689 -->
00:34:54,099
Right.
778
00:34:54,879 -->
00:34:55,579
Oh my goodness.
779
00:34:55,979 -->
00:34:56,339
Yeah.
780
00:34:56,429 -->
00:34:58,429
You could have massive
thunderbolt storage.
781
00:34:59,359 -->
00:35:02,409
Leo Dion (home): Could you just
imagine like 12 south or like
782
00:35:02,729 -->
00:35:06,969
one of these companies coming
out with like New hard drive case
783
00:35:06,969 -->
00:35:08,709
for the iPhone just what is it?
784
00:35:08,719 -->
00:35:12,649
Just like a external power battery
thing you have now external hard
785
00:35:12,649 -->
00:35:17,099
drive and then that's your phone Maybe
make it look like it one of those
786
00:35:17,109 -->
00:35:19,099
nice satellite phones from the 80s.
787
00:35:19,189 -->
00:35:19,599
Yeah.
788
00:35:19,714 -->
00:35:20,254
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.
789
00:35:20,599 -->
00:35:21,909
Yeah, totally.
790
00:35:23,599 -->
00:35:26,409
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, do you want
to talk about Swift Remote Studio?
791
00:35:27,409 -->
00:35:30,569
Evan Stone (guest): Sure yeah, we
can talk about that for a little bit,
792
00:35:30,669 -->
00:35:34,049
because the last time we chatted, I
think we did talk about it, and at
793
00:35:34,049 -->
00:35:39,649
that point, it was things went a little
bonkers, and I wasn't sure I wanted
794
00:35:39,649 -->
00:35:43,949
to continue with it, right, so I I
was all, there was all this buildup.
795
00:35:43,949 -->
00:35:49,269
I got like 141 people joined
to V1 of Swift Remote Studio.
796
00:35:49,879 -->
00:35:55,219
And then then it really turned out that
nobody wants that as a service, right?
797
00:35:55,219 -->
00:35:59,049
Nobody wants to pay for that,
for co working virtual service.
798
00:35:59,059 -->
00:36:04,749
So I thought, well, okay, let's
just go back and fall back and see
799
00:36:04,789 -->
00:36:07,079
what makes the most sense for today.
800
00:36:07,414 -->
00:36:08,624
And what people would join.
801
00:36:09,154 -->
00:36:12,604
And so I thought, well, maybe
not a coworking service, but what
802
00:36:12,604 -->
00:36:14,724
about just a coworking community?
803
00:36:14,724 -->
00:36:17,104
And so that's where we're at now.
804
00:36:17,814 -->
00:36:19,014
And it just has been building up.
805
00:36:19,344 -->
00:36:20,464
We're almost.
806
00:36:20,804 -->
00:36:22,714
Back to a hundred a hundred members.
807
00:36:23,314 -->
00:36:28,824
I think as far as active members are
concerned, I want to say somewhere
808
00:36:28,854 -->
00:36:32,944
like 10%, like maybe 10, that we
see on a regular basis today was.
809
00:36:33,134 -->
00:36:35,294
Awesome for the viewing
party that we did.
810
00:36:35,674 -->
00:36:37,144
You were there, which was great.
811
00:36:37,144 -->
00:36:40,764
Thank you for coming we had a bunch
of other folks some of the regulars
812
00:36:40,794 -->
00:36:45,504
they're like three or four regulars
that we see at most of the other events
813
00:36:45,944 -->
00:36:47,794
but then new people showed up too.
814
00:36:47,844 -->
00:36:49,014
So it was really great.
815
00:36:49,054 -->
00:36:52,124
I think we had I want to say
There was probably about nine
816
00:36:52,124 -->
00:36:53,114
or ten of us there, right?
817
00:36:53,734 -->
00:36:54,514
Leo Dion (home): it was a good crowd.
818
00:36:55,249 -->
00:36:58,579
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, so, so
and then there was a lot of chatter
819
00:36:58,639 -->
00:37:01,989
on the, in the slack, in the
Apple events slack about it today,
820
00:37:02,019 -->
00:37:04,259
people posting comments about it.
821
00:37:04,679 -->
00:37:07,699
So I thought today was
probably the most successful.
822
00:37:08,049 -->
00:37:11,379
event that we've had in a long
time with Swift and Road Studio.
823
00:37:11,839 -->
00:37:15,979
And and it's just been in growing and
it's, I've noticed that it's really
824
00:37:15,979 -->
00:37:19,819
taken off just within the last, I
want to say two to three months or so.
825
00:37:20,359 -->
00:37:24,429
Because it went from, I was looking
at the numbers and and Josh Rock
826
00:37:24,459 -->
00:37:29,419
of DoMarkz, he's been, with me
since the start on this project
827
00:37:29,859 -->
00:37:35,839
and and I was telling him that just
commenting to him about the the
828
00:37:35,839 -->
00:37:37,664
fact that it was like, what, 40?
829
00:37:38,114 -->
00:37:44,704
And then 60 and then 80 and then just
this last week it was like 95 and so
830
00:37:44,704 -->
00:37:48,324
we were just having this discussion
and it's remarkable to see that it's
831
00:37:48,324 -->
00:37:51,804
really taken off and it's great to see
and people seem to really enjoy it.
832
00:37:51,824 -->
00:37:58,784
We have The two weekly things that we do
are the just a kind of a coffee meetup.
833
00:37:58,844 -->
00:38:00,254
We call it Swift Remote Coffee.
834
00:38:00,654 -->
00:38:04,864
And that happens on Wednesdays at 9 a.
835
00:38:04,864 -->
00:38:05,194
m.
836
00:38:05,354 -->
00:38:05,954
Pacific.
837
00:38:06,634 -->
00:38:11,214
And then we do a goal
setting meeting on Fridays.
838
00:38:11,704 -->
00:38:13,604
And that happens at 12.
839
00:38:13,604 -->
00:38:13,904
30 p.
840
00:38:13,904 -->
00:38:14,174
m.
841
00:38:14,524 -->
00:38:15,044
Pacific.
842
00:38:15,404 -->
00:38:19,784
And the the coffee thing is just
everybody on zoom chatting, yeah, chit
843
00:38:19,784 -->
00:38:23,444
chat, what's happening, usually we
get into the swift developer kind of
844
00:38:23,544 -->
00:38:27,284
topics like frustrations with swift
UI or whatever the latest thing, or
845
00:38:27,294 -->
00:38:31,164
actually lately it's been swift data
has been, and all the new beta stuff
846
00:38:31,164 -->
00:38:34,894
that we've gotten from WWDC then on
Fridays, the goal setting meeting.
847
00:38:35,124 -->
00:38:38,514
Has been really useful because
usually it's pretty lightly attended.
848
00:38:38,514 -->
00:38:40,094
I want to say usually
four or five of us.
849
00:38:40,474 -->
00:38:45,884
And then but we talk about we set
goals and then the next meeting you
850
00:38:45,884 -->
00:38:49,354
say, well, what of those goals that
you set, did you achieve those?
851
00:38:49,644 -->
00:38:50,789
Or not, and then.
852
00:38:51,049 -->
00:38:53,209
What you plan to do for the next week.
853
00:38:53,259 -->
00:38:57,129
And so, and if you keep that cycle up
then it really helps you to keep on
854
00:38:57,129 -->
00:38:59,279
track with side projects or whatever.
855
00:38:59,569 -->
00:39:02,919
Some people use it for education,
so they have educational goals.
856
00:39:03,229 -->
00:39:04,289
So they're keeping those.
857
00:39:04,359 -->
00:39:08,039
And somewhere along the line, we
started posting those in Slack too.
858
00:39:08,069 -->
00:39:11,959
So to keep a little more accountability
and it helps you too, because if you
859
00:39:11,959 -->
00:39:14,829
post it there, then you can refer
to it, the following week, like what
860
00:39:14,829 -->
00:39:16,439
did I say that I was going to do?
861
00:39:16,879 -->
00:39:17,419
And so.
862
00:39:17,989 -->
00:39:19,539
Yeah, it seems to be helping.
863
00:39:19,549 -->
00:39:21,859
A lot of folks are
achieving their goals.
864
00:39:21,919 -->
00:39:23,949
So it's turned out to be a nice program
865
00:39:24,384 -->
00:39:24,704
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
866
00:39:24,874 -->
00:39:25,774
Sounds awesome.
867
00:39:25,964 -->
00:39:26,554
I love it.
868
00:39:26,724 -->
00:39:33,014
We'll post links in the show notes
so people can take a look and join.
869
00:39:33,124 -->
00:39:34,244
Yeah, it's fantastic.
870
00:39:34,244 -->
00:39:36,024
I think people should
definitely get involved.
871
00:39:36,034 -->
00:39:40,124
So, was there anything else you
wanted to mention before we close out?
872
00:39:40,889 -->
00:39:41,639
Evan Stone (guest): I don't think so.
873
00:39:41,639 -->
00:39:41,699
I
874
00:39:41,844 -->
00:39:43,794
Leo Dion (home): Are you
doing an Apple vision pro lab?
875
00:39:44,679 -->
00:39:45,939
Evan Stone (guest): I did one in August.
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00:39:46,979
Leo Dion (home): Awesome.
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00:39:47,404 -->
00:39:49,814
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, in
the middle of all, yeah, it was
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00:39:51,934
awesome and I can't talk about it.
879
00:39:52,384 -->
00:40:00,254
So, no what I no, what I can say, what
I can say is there was on developer.
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00:40:00,514
apple.
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00:40:01,024
com.
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00:40:04,274
There was this article and I
can dig up the link but it had
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00:40:08,724
Michael Simmons and it had Dave
Smith underscore Dave Smith on.
884
00:40:09,399 -->
00:40:10,019
Listed in there.
885
00:40:10,019 -->
00:40:12,789
A couple other developers
too about their reactions
886
00:40:13,109 -->
00:40:16,589
to the Apple Vision Pro Lab.
887
00:40:17,149 -->
00:40:21,959
And what I can say is, everything that
they say is exactly the way that I felt.
888
00:40:22,329 -->
00:40:23,119
The only...
889
00:40:23,199 -->
00:40:24,309
Leo Dion (home): just
drive there, right?
890
00:40:24,529 -->
00:40:25,749
Cause you're in California.
891
00:40:26,134 -->
00:40:31,144
Evan Stone (guest): Yes, I theoretically
I could, and if I do another round of
892
00:40:31,144 -->
00:40:35,274
this, then I will go, I'll do the dawn
patrol, I'll probably have to leave here
893
00:40:35,274 -->
00:40:39,274
at like 5am to get there, well enough
in time, if there's a traffic and that
894
00:40:39,274 -->
00:40:40,324
kind of stuff in the Silicon Valley.
895
00:40:40,814 -->
00:40:44,204
But but what I did was I
stayed over the night before.
896
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00:40:47,479
And just went directly there and
it was a really nice experience.
897
00:40:47,839 -->
00:40:49,939
Everybody's super
friendly, super helpful.
898
00:40:50,209 -->
00:40:54,979
They had what was nice was they had
the mix of staff that there's going
899
00:40:54,979 -->
00:40:56,519
to be staff on hand to help you.
900
00:40:56,849 -->
00:40:59,909
So what was great is they had a kind
of a mix of folks that could help
901
00:41:00,349 -->
00:41:02,559
based on any issues that came up.
902
00:41:03,039 -->
00:41:07,834
But yeah, and especially the thing
that, that, That impacted me the most
903
00:41:07,834 -->
00:41:12,134
was the thing that David Smith talks
about in his comments on that article.
904
00:41:12,644 -->
00:41:17,664
Which is that the audible gasp
that happens because it, it does.
905
00:41:17,674 -->
00:41:20,894
It's like, it's a breathtaking
experience the first time you
906
00:41:21,114 -->
00:41:23,804
try it and it's nothing like
doing it on the simulator.
907
00:41:24,049 -->
00:41:24,269
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
908
00:41:24,389 -->
00:41:24,639
I would
909
00:41:24,654 -->
00:41:26,064
Evan Stone (guest): it's
a, it's vastly different.
910
00:41:26,084 -->
00:41:26,474
Yeah.
911
00:41:27,304 -->
00:41:27,984
Highly recommend.
912
00:41:28,214 -->
00:41:31,774
If there's any way you can
get to, unfortunately, they
913
00:41:31,774 -->
00:41:33,474
didn't have too many locations.
914
00:41:33,474 -->
00:41:35,364
I, Cupertino is the only
one in the US, right?
915
00:41:35,954 -->
00:41:38,444
So, yeah that's unfortunate.
916
00:41:39,304 -->
00:41:39,744
Yeah,
917
00:41:40,639 -->
00:41:42,759
Leo Dion (home): did you, I don't
know if you're going to answer this.
918
00:41:42,789 -->
00:41:47,149
Did you come away with it with like
a, Oh yeah, moment where you're
919
00:41:47,149 -->
00:41:50,689
like, okay, now I see I have an app
idea that makes total sense here.
920
00:41:50,689 -->
00:41:54,519
Where it was before you were
just like, eh, like, I'm
921
00:41:54,519 -->
00:41:55,639
not sure this is a good fit.
922
00:41:57,444 -->
00:42:00,514
Evan Stone (guest): The, what
I had was the opposite effect.
923
00:42:00,794 -->
00:42:05,884
I went in with at least one or
two ideas of what I wanted to do.
924
00:42:06,294 -->
00:42:11,124
And as it turns out the
things that I wanted to do are
925
00:42:11,124 -->
00:42:12,894
not possible to do with it.
926
00:42:13,544 -->
00:42:16,974
And it's all, that's all
public because the, if you look
927
00:42:16,974 -->
00:42:18,264
on the privacy information.
928
00:42:18,594 -->
00:42:22,104
Document that they have in the
documentation for vision pro, there's
929
00:42:22,104 -->
00:42:26,434
an article on the privacy protection,
which they specifically say in there
930
00:42:26,434 -->
00:42:28,724
that you do not have access to cameras.
931
00:42:29,294 -->
00:42:35,184
So the idea that I had involves using
cameras for like an AR kind of purpose.
932
00:42:35,624 -->
00:42:39,704
And as per that document the
ideas that I had were actually.
933
00:42:39,889 -->
00:42:40,439
Negated.
934
00:42:40,589 -->
00:42:45,199
So it turns out that I came up
with less ideas, but I definitely
935
00:42:45,329 -->
00:42:49,769
came away realizing that the
experience is much more than what
936
00:42:49,779 -->
00:42:53,479
on the simulator, and it definitely
gets the juices flowing, right?
937
00:42:53,509 -->
00:42:56,369
And you start thinking, well, okay,
if I can't do this, what can I do?
938
00:42:56,829 -->
00:43:02,329
And so for that, I'm hoping I can get
another opportunity to go back because
939
00:43:02,579 -->
00:43:06,469
the other issue that I ran into, and
this is what everybody knows, is that I
940
00:43:06,469 -->
00:43:10,589
went when Xcode beta six was released.
941
00:43:10,999 -->
00:43:14,689
And if you had a Swift data
application, you could not
942
00:43:14,689 -->
00:43:16,489
deploy that to any hardware.
943
00:43:16,689 -->
00:43:18,779
I couldn't deploy it to my phone.
944
00:43:19,079 -->
00:43:20,649
If I tried to run it, yeah.
945
00:43:21,029 -->
00:43:22,149
And so.
946
00:43:22,794 -->
00:43:26,484
So I wasn't able to deploy
that to any devices.
947
00:43:26,494 -->
00:43:26,874
Hint.
948
00:43:27,194 -->
00:43:31,464
So So even though I can't talk
about my experience you could gather
949
00:43:31,464 -->
00:43:36,034
from that if I can't deploy it to
a phone You can by extension see
950
00:43:36,214 -->
00:43:37,844
think of what other devices I could
951
00:43:37,859 -->
00:43:40,939
Leo Dion (home): This is not something
I'm aware of as a person who's been
952
00:43:40,939 -->
00:43:43,419
doing Mac development on Xcode 15.
953
00:43:43,419 -->
00:43:45,859
So I did not know you couldn't do that.
954
00:43:45,869 -->
00:43:46,579
That's that
955
00:43:46,904 -->
00:43:53,274
Evan Stone (guest): No, so so it was
literally just The beta it was beta
956
00:43:53,274 -->
00:43:59,534
5 and beta 6 I believe definitely
beta 6 the What happened was they
957
00:43:59,534 -->
00:44:05,189
released an iOS Release that had
a different beta interface or not
958
00:44:05,189 -->
00:44:06,399
beta interface, but the binary
959
00:44:06,474 -->
00:44:07,004
Leo Dion (home): what you mean.
960
00:44:07,124 -->
00:44:07,474
Shared
961
00:44:07,579 -->
00:44:08,559
Evan Stone (guest): for for Swift data.
962
00:44:09,329 -->
00:44:11,199
Yeah they were, they didn't align.
963
00:44:11,329 -->
00:44:13,539
And so, and they knew about
it, they copped to it.
964
00:44:13,899 -->
00:44:15,859
So they agreed that it was a problem.
965
00:44:16,049 -->
00:44:19,859
So it was resolved in beta seven, but by
that time I had already been to the lab.
966
00:44:19,859 -->
00:44:22,179
So it was hopefully I can
get another shot at it.
967
00:44:22,609 -->
00:44:23,589
So, so we'll see.
968
00:44:24,209 -->
00:44:25,819
Anyway, but it was a great experience.
969
00:44:25,819 -->
00:44:29,699
I highly recommend if anyone, if you're
close to Apple Park, or if you can just,
970
00:44:30,019 -->
00:44:35,309
if you can finagle making it there,
I highly recommend going to a lab.
971
00:44:35,499 -->
00:44:35,939
It's worth it.
972
00:44:36,744 -->
00:44:38,714
Leo Dion (home): Thank you, Evan,
so much for coming on the show.
973
00:44:38,714 -->
00:44:39,284
Where can people
974
00:44:39,364 -->
00:44:39,724
Evan Stone (guest): you, Leo.
975
00:44:40,724 -->
00:44:42,404
You can find where, can you find me?
976
00:44:42,554 -->
00:44:46,414
Gosh, I think well, I'm,
there's swift remote studio.com.
977
00:44:46,464 -->
00:44:48,174
There is the U R L for that.
978
00:44:48,324 -->
00:44:52,074
And then on Mastodon you can find me.
979
00:44:52,124 -->
00:44:56,578
I'm on let's see, Evan case
stone at iOS dev space.
980
00:44:57,338 -->
00:44:58,688
So, that's my preferred.
981
00:44:58,688 -->
00:45:00,398
I, I stick to Mastodon now.
982
00:45:00,398 -->
00:45:04,978
I'm not doing much with
Twitter or x or whatever it is.
983
00:45:05,338 -->
00:45:09,233
And any of the other things, I just it
doesn't interest me that much right now.
984
00:45:09,503 -->
00:45:13,353
Maybe it'll settle down to the point
where where it will, I'm on Blue Sky and
985
00:45:13,393 -->
00:45:18,143
I'm on threads and and still on Twitter,
but I don't ever check those things.
986
00:45:18,143 -->
00:45:19,693
So it's pretty much just
masked it on at this point.
987
00:45:20,743 -->
00:45:22,633
Leo Dion (home): Thank you again,
Evan, for coming on the show.
988
00:45:23,173 -->
00:45:24,913
It's good to talk about this fun stuff.
989
00:45:25,448 -->
00:45:26,168
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, it was great.
990
00:45:26,703 -->
00:45:29,073
Leo Dion (home): people
can find me on Twitter.
991
00:45:29,513 -->
00:45:31,163
X, whatever.
992
00:45:31,683 -->
00:45:37,673
At LeoGDion and Massadonim at
LeoGDion dot C at C dot IM.
993
00:45:38,123 -->
00:45:38,753
My website.
994
00:45:39,028 -->
00:45:40,488
Company websites break digit.
995
00:45:40,508 -->
00:45:44,088
So take a look at there for all
past episodes and other articles
996
00:45:44,088 -->
00:45:47,468
and stuff We've got some good
stuff on there thank you so much.
997
00:45:47,478 -->
00:45:50,518
If you're watching this on youtube,
please like and subscribe if you're
998
00:45:50,608 -->
00:45:54,468
listening to this Please post a
review on your podcast player evan.
999
00:45:54,468 -->
00:45:55,298
You want to say something?
1000
00:45:56,318 -->
00:46:00,178
Evan Stone (guest): Could I make a plug
also for iOS death break, the podcast
1001
00:46:00,448 -->
00:46:01,118
Leo Dion (home): absolutely.
1002
00:46:01,118 -->
00:46:02,658
Yeah, and we're ios dev break.
1003
00:46:02,658 -->
00:46:06,488
We'll put a link in the show notes to
that how often do you put out episodes?
1004
00:46:07,218 -->
00:46:09,978
Evan Stone (guest): Very rarely,
but I just put one out today.
1005
00:46:10,008 -->
00:46:12,048
Actually, I recorded
yesterday, put it out today.
1006
00:46:12,268 -->
00:46:14,998
So, and the last one I did was
like right before depth up,
1007
00:46:15,178 -->
00:46:17,873
so, but I'm really trying to
pick up the cadence on that.
1008
00:46:18,193 -->
00:46:18,463
Doing
1009
00:46:18,498 -->
00:46:19,438
Leo Dion (home): that as well.
1010
00:46:20,343 -->
00:46:21,693
Evan Stone (guest): iOS dev break.com.
1011
00:46:21,723 -->
00:46:22,443
You can find it there.
1012
00:46:22,808 -->
00:46:23,098
Leo Dion (home): awesome.
1013
00:46:24,188 -->
00:46:25,368
Everybody have a good week.
1014
00:46:25,408 -->
00:46:26,358
Don't spend too much money.
1015
00:46:26,428 -->
00:46:28,038
I will talk to you later.
1016
00:46:28,118 -->
00:46:28,748
Have a good one.
1017
00:46:28,888 -->
00:46:29,478
Bye everyone.