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Speaker 1: I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. They did everything that they were supposed to do. They completely outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, also beat themselves.
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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, and welcome to a live episode of Dodgers Territory. It is a special edition, the post-mortem episode, if you will, of DT, Alana Rizzo, Katie Wu. Clint, see us with you as we have been all season long. First and foremost, to you guys listening and watching, thank you. Thank you for being with us along this ride. We appreciate it very much. So much to get to about where the Dodgers go from here. Let's get to the big ticket. Katie, good to have you back. Obviously, we know that you've been in the clubhouse, at the games, traveling, all of the things, but I would like to get your perspective first. I guess if they're going to lose, lose quickly. I mean, I think a lot of us can appreciate how good the Brewers team is. I don't know that any of us expected a sweep. What was your overall assessment of how this NLCS went down?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we've all dressed accordingly, like, for a wake, back in our all-black attire, because the 2026 Dodgers season, the dreams of a three-peat, all that jazz, officially over.
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Speaker 3: As we pour one out for our homies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right, well.
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Speaker 4: Cheers. Cheers, gang.
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Speaker 1: Cheers.
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Speaker 2: Cheers.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into my obvious professional insight. When watching the Dodgers, I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. They won 103 games. They are, to me, the most dangerous team of the postseason. They're playing hot. They rallied. They did everything that they were supposed to do. They completely outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, also beat themselves. I a batting average under 200 collectively, outside of Kyle Tucker, who ironically had the best postseason for the Dodgers. The collective team OPS was under 600. You just can't win like that. And think about how many times the Dodgers would get a lead runner on and fail to score. I think the way that they lost in game four, where they got up early and then let the Brewers... chip away at the lead and weren't able to tack on they got a runner to third and the seventh and eighth and still couldn't score they did not do the little things right it resulted in an early exit the brewers outplayed them and the dodgers played themselves and played themselves right out of their their quest for a three p.
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Speaker 5: Yeah if i could follow on this for a second a lot of Things we said last night are a lot of clips that went out, particularly the last two postgame shows. Obviously, I had some critique of Dave Roberts, some critique of the decisions. I need to make sure that everybody understands. I don't think Dave Roberts and any of these decisions lost the Dodgers, the World Series. If you watch the entirety of these shows and not just what they package to you on social media sometimes, you would know that I believe the Brewers were the better team. The Dodgers got beat. All the players were saying the same thing. Yeah, some of them had a few more tears in their eyes. Some of them were a little more upset about it. Dave seemed like, yeah, you know what? We got our asses handed to us in that series.
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Speaker 3: And this is wild, guys.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you happen to see this stat from this Jay Kuda character on the internet who finds numbers and does things with them, but.
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Speaker 4: Oh, my God. That's crazy.
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Speaker 5: The 25 NLCS Dodgers four wins over 149 plate appearances, 128 at-bats. They had the 32 hits, hit 250, 347 on base. The Brewers did the exact same thing.
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Speaker 2: Are we sure?
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Speaker 3: Listen, it's on the internet. It has to be true.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Somebody asked Rick Krajewski to fact check that. That's insanity, you guys.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Get the doctor on the line.
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Speaker 2: If that is true, that is wild.
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Speaker 4: Isn't he watching this show?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost like too stupid, right? That can't be that exact the same. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But maybe it is.
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Speaker 5: Well, again, I think that dude is actually pretty good at the numbers. If, you know, we were more prepared or we cared enough. It doesn't matter how they lost.
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Speaker 3: We know they lost. And, again, the Brewers, they're really good.
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Speaker 5: Like Alana and I said for the entirety of the series, did not see a sweep coming just the same way you said last night, Alana. You thought they had something. I thought we all thought that Shohei hitting that homer was going to be something. But, my God, that team just kept chipping away.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I felt like we talked about it, too. There's a bunch of stuff on the Internet, like gifs or gifs or memes or whatever the heck the kids are saying. Every time the Dodgers scored, it was like the guy came out of the casket in Milwaukee and just they're not they're always back from the dead type of situation. I give a lot of credit to the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know people are saying that, oh, we live in a bubble. We knew how good. You know, we know how good the Brewers are. You guys are stupid. Just everybody thinks LA. No, we know the Brewers are a good team. They're a 103-win team, as Katie mentioned, in the regular season. This whole narrative of David versus Goliath is tired. It kind of worked last year, and you could see that it absolutely was the case last year. The Dodgers swept them in the NLCS, but not anymore. I mean, this is really crazy. This is a very good Brewers team. Everything went the right way. I mean, just, you know, it's kind of funny. I can understand.
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Speaker 2: How people are upset by what Pat Murphy said, the manager of the Brewers, that he was saying, you know, they have a bunch of Hall of Famers, we have a bunch of gamers, and the gamers won. As a Dodger fan, you're like, shut up, man. But as every other fan, you're like, it's kind of, you know.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
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Speaker 5: You won 103 games, bro. You won the most games in baseball. You have a fantastic team. You swept.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: But they were gamers, though. They chipped away. With the exception of Christian Jelic, they don't have a ton of all-stars on that team. They don't have MVPs. They don't have anything like the Dodgers do. They just play a really good brand of baseball, and And how about Jake Bowers, the NLCS MVP, who almost quit baseball a few years back, was going to quit baseball, but then his family, his wife found out she was pregnant, and he went back to play baseball just for health insurance, and he was crowned the NLCS MVP. That's why, that's just crazy. So anyway, kudos to them. This is the Dodger Territory Show, not Brew Crew Territory, our Brewers Territory. So let's get to that.
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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on. We have a follow.
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Speaker 4: We have an update.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Kuduski has said those numbers are confirmed. So that has happened. And we only believe numbers with all respect to Jay Kuda, of course, unless we hear from the doctor. It's not real unless the doctor says so.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe anything unless the doctor says that it's the case. Unless it's only when he's talking about his Buffalo Bill fandom, then he's a little suspect. But anyway. All right. So is the dynasty over as we know it, Katie Wook?
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Speaker 1: As we know it, as this core, it's going to look different. But is this dynasty done? No, not at all. This Dodgers team is built to last. I mean, most players on this team are under contract, for better or worse, for multiple seasons after 2027. They have one of the best farm systems in baseball. They have one of the best scouting departments in baseball. They have ample resources, even with MLB's economic picture relatively unknown with the CBA expiring. The Dodgers are no longer... It's not like they're not going to be competitive because they lost in the NLCS this year. When we start next season, whenever that does start, the Dodgers are going to be right atop. Same with the Brewers. Same with the Mets. All the big names that we've been talking about, despite payroll, for the good teams in baseball. So the dynasty is not over.
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Speaker 6: But.
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Speaker 1: The current core is going to look different. We know Miguel Rojas, Miggy Rowe retiring after a great career in Los Angeles. Have we seen the last of Quique Hernandez in a Dodgers uniform?
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Speaker 4: Maybe.
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Speaker 1: Will Andrew Friedman try to get this team younger on the margins? I believe it's the second straight year where they've had the oldest position playing core in baseball. Again, a lot of that core is tied up under contract, and you want them here. You don't want Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Muncy going anywhere, but they are getting older, so how do you get younger as a group? You do it on the margins. Maybe they go back to shopping to Oscar Hernandez this offseason, try to create a route for Josue DiPaola. The team is going to look different. The core, the kind of last ride of the first phase of this dynasty, that's over. But for the Los Angeles Dodgers and Dodgers fans, they're going to keep winning baseball. They're not going to just... totally collapsed because they had a bad NLCS.
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Speaker 2: I have a question about what you guys think about this, because I think it's very difficult to make a decision when you have that much emotion, good or bad. I don't think anybody should make massive life decisions when it is an emotional time. And I know that Miguel Rojas said that he is going to hang up the cleats, that he is retiring after this. I'm wondering, though, if the further away that he gets from the pain that was the NLCS, if he changes his mind at all. I know that he's going to stay in baseball, but I don't know that that would have necessarily been the time to make that decision because I think your body is in a little bit of shock and you're saying, all right, that's it. I can't go through this pain anymore. But I do wonder if, in fact, he changes his mind come January when people are kind of gearing up for spring training. And he decides, you know what? I mean, he's going to have to start working prior to that, obviously. But I'm interested. I'm interested to see if he actually does retire. And if he does, hell of a career. And thank you, Miguel, for your leadership and everything you've done over the course of your big league career. I know it's not the last we will see of him, but perhaps the last as a player.
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Speaker 3: I think he's done.
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Speaker 5: I think he fought it back and forth, but he announced it very early in the season.
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Speaker 3: I'm planning.
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Speaker 5: on hanging him up. And then he had a stretch where he was playing a lot better, playing at least a little bit better. But then I think as the season, you know, trudged on, you get to play in almost 170 games.
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Speaker 3: The body started breaking down on him again.
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Speaker 5: Obviously we saw it wasn't just like the back decided to give His feet gave out from under him or slipped out from under him in that really nice play at second base in Atlanta. But those little things, the nagging injuries, the end of the season, all that kind of stuff, I think that's where you're like, you know what, to get it up and get it going again for another 162 plus spring training, plus you don't really know what spring training is going to look like. You don't know what your free agency.
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Speaker 3: Is going to look like.
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Speaker 5: To kind of have that weighing over you, With the CBA thing, I think he means it, and he'll be around. We know he'll be around with this organization that was part of his contract to be a part of the organization in some capacity. Hey, if he's lingering around, maybe there's a point sometime mid-next year where they need a guy.
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Speaker 3: Miggy, strap him on.
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Speaker 5: Just don't wear those loading, the three-peat loading cleats. I would rather you put those somewhere far in a shame corner.
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Speaker 3: In your closet, please.
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Speaker 2: Katie, who should the Dodgers bring back? There's a number of free agents that are going to test the free agent market, although it's going to be a weird market because of the looming CBA lockout and that type of thing, work stoppage on December 1st. Clint has a list of free agents, I believe, or we can rattle through them. Who do you think the Dodgers bring back off of the free agent list? We're talking the Blake Trinans of the world, Evan Phillips of the world, Alex Vessia of the world, Bruce Dargradarals of the world, obviously Kike. Mickey said he's retiring.
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Speaker 7: Scooble.
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Speaker 2: Who's back? Scooble. That's a huge one. I apologize. Yeah, Scooble.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me run down the list that Fabi and I put together this morning. So Skubal, Phillips, Bessia, Trinan, Kike, Chris Bubich, Eric Lauer, Brewstar, Gratterall, all free agents. We'll see a few of them back on minor league deals. I'll focus on two that I think are important. The first one being Skubal.
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Speaker 4: Bring him back.
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Speaker 1: If you're the Dodgers, it's complicated, right? Again, because we don't know if there's going to be a salary cap placed in. We don't know what the negotiations are going to look like, how the economic model is going to change. And if there is a salary cap put in place, which I don't believe there's going to be, but that's a conversation for a separate time, there's going to be a phase-in process. But we'll put in that uncertainty, along with who Tara Schuble is represented by, Scott Boris. And you know that... The Boris Corporation is going to go for the most money out there. And why wouldn't they? Tarek Skubal is a generational talent. He's earned this position to be in. And He rightfully understood. I completely understood why. I did not want to talk about his future yesterday. It wasn't the time. This is going to dominate storylines until whenever we know what the economic model looks like next year. I firmly expect the Dodgers to be in play for Scooble, though. Whether or not Scooble signs with the team before the December 1st lockout is supposed to begin or after, no one can say. I think it just depends on what teams are willing to do. I would expect the Mets to be in the market for sure. And the normal heavy hitters here. But I think the Dodgers, when you think about, yes, they have Yamamoto, Snell, Glass under contract, Roque. Shohei says he wants to pitch. We'll get back to that later in the show. And they have so much depth in their system. They traded for him for a reason. Because they believed he was their best possible chance of increasing their odds to win the World Series.
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Speaker 4: It didn't work.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't take away why they wanted him. And Scooble fits so seamlessly in this Dodgers clubhouse. I think they're going to try everything they can to bring him back. Another guy that I think is going to come back or they should bring back, much more underrated, but very much the heart and soul of this Dodgers bullpen was Alex Vecchia. And I can't imagine a world where he does not come back in some way as a Dodger. This is just my speculation here, but I think they're going to prioritize that. I think that's going to be relatively easy to get done. You could probably say the same about Evan Phillips. I'm not sure it's to that degree as Vessia, but that is a guy who he's, he might not be your high leverage closer, your Diaz or your Tanner Scott, but Dodger fans know exactly how much Alex Vessia means to this team. And Evan Phillips just kind of slightly under that there too. So priority 1A for me, Scooble, 1B, Vessia.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think my high leverage honey bun, Evan Phillips, will be back. I think we will see Alex Vessia back as well. I think just the fit makes a lot of sense for all sides there. On the starting pitching front, you mentioned a few of the big names there. Mix in Rebleski, of course, Emmett Sheehan, Gavin Stone coming back, hopefully knock on desk from the injury. But there's just, with the uncertainty of that CBA and how much things can change, I even if it is Scott Boris that is calling the shots for Tarek Skubal, if he is not signed before the lockout, I would be absolutely shocked. That's not too much to add to that. Will it be the Dodgers? I think he liked a lot of things here. I think there's a lot of fit. But also, at some point, the Dodgers need to try to trim some payroll and open some doors for some of those younger players. But I think when you're looking at– The difference between a Tarek Skubal and an Emmett Sheehan, with all due respect, or a Tarek Skubal and all-star Justin Robleski, with all due respect, to be able to insert another top-of-the-rotation guy in your starting rotation for whatever it may be, six, seven years, you're going to try to do everything you can because it might be the last time you could flex that financial muscle.
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Speaker 3: Last thing I'll say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: The Mark Walter situation might play a bigger role.
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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. And I wanted to ask Katie about this, too. Both of you, I want your opinion on this. First of all, you say, you know, no disrespect to Emmett Sheehan and Justin Robleski. They're not even in the same atmosphere, okay? So I don't think anybody thinks that Tarek Skubal and Emmett Sheehan and Alex and Emmett Sheehan and what's his face? Justin Robleski, friend of the show. Love you, Robo. are even in the same planet when it comes to salaries and contracts and those types of things. All have their role, just very different. But my question to you, with the looming CBA, Katie, on December 1st, the lockout, and the situation that apparently the fire that apparently Dodger principal owner Mark Walter is under, how many of these massive deals could you give? Probably Tarek Skubal would be the biggest deal that they would be looking at this offseason, correct, in terms of money. Is that even a possibility considering what this ownership allegedly is going through right now?
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Speaker 1: For the Dodgers, it's always a possibility until it's not. And I mean, think about the last four off seasons, or I don't even know what year it is anymore. I don't even know what day. But they are going to be major players, but it is fair to speculate and to have some pause is when you think about the financial implications that are going through their ownership group right now. And again, the CBA that they're spending might be paused or at least a little bit more cautious. At the same time, this could be the last time the Dodgers can spend in the way that they have. Again, talking to players around the league, they seem pretty unified in their disdain for a salary cap. They don't want it. It's why there's so much contention building around this pending lockout is because it seems like this could be something that takes a while. Assuming something changes, the Dodgers might say, hey, this could be our last time to do this the way that we have done it, the way that is currently allowed in the CBA. Why not take advantage of it? That's when the uncertainty about whatever is going on with Mark Walter and his ownership group and the finances there comes into play. We've heard it from Stan Kasten throughout the summer that it's not going to impact the Dodgers. The Dodgers are in good shape. We'll see how it goes over the next couple months or so. But off-seasons are always tricky to predict. This one even more so for all these reasons not even related to baseball. And it can change so quickly. But I do think there will be some teams that before December 1st, we saw this in last year, the last time there was a lockout the day before the lockout that started the 2022 spring training season late uh there were significant free agent deals and trades made and it was kind of like an early trade deadline just to kind of beat that cba expiration i can see that happening again this year as well yeah it's.
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Speaker 3: There is a hole in my bottle of wine. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So same, definitely same. Um, Let me ask you this. Clint, oh, by the way, Richie or somebody Carino was wondering if you were drinking Red Bulls. He said don't drink those. You're not. You're drinking High Noon.
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Speaker 3: Do I look like I care about health? No, we appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Is everybody on the Dodgers staff coming back, in your opinion, Clint?
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: There are some of the guys, obviously, who have– Their names have been thrown around in the manager hat and all that kind of stuff. We've heard Danny Lehman. We've seen Chris Woodward already take off for another job in the past. So you'd wonder if maybe those guys are amongst names that are thrown into a hat for potential future managerial opens.
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Speaker 3: It feels like openings.
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Speaker 5: I think he's still got the Mariners job open at the moment. Whatever they're going to do in Anaheim, stuff like that. But we did have a question from Matthew about this. Do we think maybe... Matthew on Twitter, he actually DM'd me or messaged me directly about it, like Matthew S3, wondering if there's going to be maybe some changes with the hitting coaches, maybe something else in that regard. I feel like this organization has been so, I don't know, like cohesive in that regard. The only thing I could see a difference is if maybe Bob Guerin decides he wants to hang him up and you know, you bring in a Justin Turner or you bring in a Miguel Rojas in some sort of bench coach or, or whatever it may be, you know, field planning coach, whatever. There's a billion jobs that keep making up to the question. I don't think we're going to see wholesale changes and no, you will not see Dave Roberts moving anywhere for anybody who's going to say that, Oh, if Dave didn't have a great series or whatever, you just want him fired.
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Speaker 3: No, I love Dave.
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Speaker 2: Um, So, yeah. There's no reason in the world Dave Roberts should ever be.
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Speaker 3: Fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Should ever not be the Dodgers manager until Dave decides he wants to leave. I mean, let's not forget what Dave Roberts has done for this club and this organization, not to mention all the other stuff in the community that goes along with this. It was a bad series. Dave wasn't hitting. Dave wasn't pitching. You know, Dave wasn't defending.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: The only thing I wonder is sometimes it's the hitting coaches that are the scapegoat when things go south. Right. But then I think about it, too, with Aaron Bates and Rob Van Scoyock. They were the same hitting coaches in 2024 and 2025 when this team won the World Series. So it's like the personnel is exactly the same. It was just the execution was not there this season.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's going to be a change there, not to say that they deserve to lose their jobs. I absolutely don't think so. Obviously Mark Pryor is not going anywhere and Mark Pryor should always be the Dodgers pitching coach until he does not want to do it any longer. Um, I don't know if we're going to see any changes. I don't know that it was the staff. I don't think the staff was the issue. I think it was just it was it was poor play and a lack of execution and a lack of production. So I would be very surprised unless to Clint's point, you know, somebody gets an opportunity to, you know, advance in their career with that with the higher higher position someplace else. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, any thoughts on this?
00:23:41
Speaker 1: Not really. I think you guys pretty much crushed it. Baseball is just such a what-have-you-done-for-me-right-now business. And to your point, Alana, this is the same staff that just brought back-to-back championships to Los Angeles. And they're going to be judged for the lack of execution that we saw for a good portion of.
00:24:00
Speaker 1: Shifts throughout the season. And I think those that have been following the Dodgers all year kind of saw this one coming again. You're like, no, not now, not this time. It's like waves. The ebbs and flows of the season just came at the wrong time for the Dodgers. But at the end of the day, the coaches aren't the ones asking or needing to hit with runners in scoring position. They're not the guys unable to put balls in play. I don't think that we see any changes right now. I also don't even think that Andrew Friedman and co have even discussed that. I think right now they're back to the drawing board, figuring out what went wrong and they'll have a couple of extra weeks before the GM meetings, the unofficial start of the off season to really kind of dissect that. Yeah.
00:24:37
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Speaker 2: That's so funny. So funny time now for behind the scenes, but before we get into the Shohei conversation, I swear for a hot second there, I thought A.J. Pruszynski said on foul territory, we have so many hoes. He said so many hoes.
00:26:12
Speaker 1: I also said that.
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Speaker 2: I was like, A.J.
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Speaker 1: That's outrageous even for you.
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Speaker 3: We have hoes and hosts in different area codes. I will drink to that always.
00:26:28
Speaker 2: Anyway, Shohei Otani, is he having surgery or not? Katie, he seems to claim he wants to pitch next season. If that in fact is the case, is the ramp up to that approach, does it need to be different next season than it was this year?
00:26:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked to Shohei, an impromptu media scrum outside of his locker yesterday. I believe that's the first time he's done that, at least as a Dodger. And through Will Ireton, he said that he definitely plans to pitch next season. He said, yes, definitely. And he also is not sure what or if he'll need off-season surgery. He said, hard to tell at this point. It's something that's going to be analyzed, discussed over the off-season, and we'll see if it's a viable thing to do. So the only thing that was... definitive just looking at otani's demeanor after the game and how he was talking to media was that he was pissed he's frustrated he and it's not just because of the physical limitations that he obviously has been trying to play through since june the narrative the speculation the overall performance the fact that he couldn't pitch in the postseason and then he ultimately couldn't hit in the postseason either all of that this is something that shohei feels responsible for it is his it's his duty it's his job to charge the Dodgers on both sides of the ball to the World Series. And the fact that he wasn't able to do so, and the fact that the worst performing stretch of his career came at the most vital time, that was not lost on me at all, even through the very proper translations through Will Ireton. Now, There are going to be some serious conversations about his health. We know about the knee. We know about the bicep. I don't think that you can imagine or plan for Shohei to go into a full season of any kind of play knowing that he's in this much pain and this uncomfortable. So I would expect to have an update on Otani's health, perhaps as soon as the Dodgers do their end of season post-press conference. But for right now, the big thing that the Dodgers must ask is, What can we learn from how we handled Shohei Ohtani this year? It's unprecedented. Andrew Friedman said this right before the postseason. What Shohei Ohtani is trying to do is unprecedented and it takes a real toll on your body. This is what Friedman said. He also said it's unprecedented for all of us and we're feeling our way through it together. And we've said this before on the show, there was going to be some trial and error, some mistakes made, some lessons along the way with the Dodgers attempting a full season of two-way duties from Shohei, plus the postseason. Yes, he did this as an angel. The angels, they don't know what October is. They also were dealing with a much younger version of Shohei. This is a player who turned 32 in the middle of the year, was ramping his way back up after not pitching in a full season for two years. And there were some mistakes about how it was handled, both on the Dodgers side, both on Shohei's side. And I think Andrew Friedman had made that very clear. The question is, is how can they make sure they are not in this position again next year? Because you'll recall in spring train, the big talk for Shohei was he wants to win a Cy Young. And if Shohei Ohtani wants to pitch, the Dodgers are going to let him pitch. That was also evidenced by despite him being hurt in June and July, they decided it was okay to keep ramping him up in August, which derailed his season to the point that it is right now. So the Dodgers and Shohei have to have an honest discussion about what the ramp-up is going to look like and if he can actually do this for a full season. We saw Shohei Otani at his best in October last postseason in 2025. He ramped up in the second half and was available as one of the best pitchers in the postseason and one of the best hitters. That's the kind of version that the Dodgers need in October to It remains to be seen if they can get that. If they permit him to pitch all throughout the season, we know how much the Cy Young Award matters, but what's more important, winning that award or winning another World Series for LA? The Dodgers and Shohei have to find a way to figure that out.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Shay, 1987 in our chat, Clint has a good point. The lockout might benefit Otani's healing timeline. If you're not forced to ramp up and you don't know what the heck's going on, perhaps a little extra time until we have a sense of what's going to happen to the 2027 season is is a good thing. But to Katie's point, what did the Dodgers learn about how to manage Shohei Otani? Doesn't the conversation need to be more open, more honest, perhaps saying, listen, again, and I've said this word a thousand times or this phrase a thousand times, Shohei is the biggest piece of the puzzle, but he's not the entire puzzle. And I think there's got to be a way that they can have more honest, open lines of communication to really see. I think a lot of folks Perhaps saying that this whole situation, the whole injury situation with Shohei Otani was mismanaged throughout the season, not necessarily on part of the Dodgers, but because Shohei is such a competitor, no superstar ever wants to admit that they're hurt.
00:31:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.
00:31:07
Speaker 5: And again, it is something that they learned. Not only the communication factor here, they'll understand, I think the organization understands that they probably need to be a little more forceful with Shohei Otani, ask him questions, force him to be a little more open and honest with them, make him understand that it is okay that if you are hurt in July to take longer, to take some time off, to take longer than just the all-star break off as you're trying to get your knee right because what it ultimately came down to, and as Katie was talking, we had the month-over-month offensive production for Shohei Otani breaking. It was bad, and I'll go ahead and throw that up again. But the issues, the knee issue, changed the swing. And it took him kind of until the last two games to figure it out. He did hit the ball a lot harder in those final two games of the NLCS. So, yes, I think the communication factor. But it also may have taught this team to further.
00:32:06
Speaker 3: Piggyback off of Wu. He is older now.
00:32:10
Speaker 5: And I don't think you can expect him to go out there and play 150 games while also making 25 starts. Definitely not 30, but 14 starts this year. They were phenomenal. 13 of them were phenomenal.
00:32:23
Speaker 3: Then he was injured.
00:32:24
Speaker 5: I think it needs to look like a shorter season, and it might need to potentially look more like what we saw in 2025 as he ramped up later in the season. And then he was fantastic by the time. well, really by the time they got to NLCS Game 3 is when everything came together for him in the postseason. But you could still have 50-homer Shohei when he's not focusing on the entirety of the season with the two-way.
00:32:51
Speaker 3: And having Cy Young. So he needs to pick a lane.
00:32:54
Speaker 5: If he wants to be a Cy Young Award winner, he wants to try to do that, he may need to pitch only or hit a little bit. It may also come down to You've got to give him a lot more days off. You can't have him hit and pitch in the same game. You can't have him hit after a start day.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot. He's not going to be.
00:33:11
Speaker 5: Happy with it, but if you want to be healthy and ready to play and effective at the most important part of the season, it could be what's better for everybody involved.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: Breach. Well said. Well said.
00:33:25
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what else we can talk about from there. I think you've covered it very well. So, again, you guys, over the course of this offseason, the three of us are going to be together talking.
00:33:37
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
00:33:38
Speaker 3: I said, oh, drinking. That looks like fun.
00:33:40
Speaker 5: By the way, we also have a bunch of super chats. We're going to get to chats and all that kind of stuff. We'll make sure we throw that out there. The show is here for you guys, maybe a little selfishly so we can all drink together and not have to see each other in public.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: Off-season, off-season mode, a little earlier than we thought, but we are here.
00:33:57
Speaker 3: It is interesting.
00:33:58
Speaker 5: The FT boys, as I was directing the show today, were giving me crap and slack about what are you supposed to do now?
00:34:07
Speaker 3: You're so used to going to the bitter end.
00:34:09
Speaker 5: Obviously, Game 7 last year, Game 5, or five games in 2024.
00:34:15
Speaker 3: Um, you know, it's like, I don't know what to do with my head. I'm already looking at golfing.
00:34:18
Speaker 2: What do I do? What do I do with my hands?
00:34:20
Speaker 1: What do I do with my hands?
00:34:22
Speaker 5: Depending on the hangover or the, you know, still drunk into Sunday-ness and planning on, you know, we've got some golf, we've got some twilight golf on Sunday plan, you know, must be nice.
00:34:33
Speaker 2: Must be nice.
00:34:33
Speaker 4: What a life.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: No, I mean just the weather. Oh, listen, South Bay lady. I don't want to hear it. Oh, yeah.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: You know what's annoying is I had to turn on my AC today. That's where I'm at. It's like hot right now.
00:34:46
Speaker 4: It is hot. I'm going to turn my earphones on.
00:34:48
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? We're approaching.
00:34:50
Speaker 5: The sad thing is for me, Alana, is that it's hot outside, but my pool is already cool.
00:34:56
Speaker 3: Like the water is cold.
00:34:58
Speaker 4: So it's like, ugh.
00:35:00
Speaker 1: It's too much.
00:35:01
Speaker 3: It's too hard for us here, you know?
00:35:05
Speaker 2: I miss it so badly. I miss it so badly. Oh, my God. I miss California so much. It's not even funny. Anyway, let's talk about a dog in California that needs help.
00:35:17
Speaker 1: All right, guys. This is Phoebe.
00:35:23
Speaker 2: We just got her a DNA kit that was about to be... Sent to the lab. Actually, we did send it to the lab. We're just waiting for it to arrive at Wisdom Panel to find out exactly what beautiful breed she is. We do know, obviously, she's some sort of shepherd. But what else is in that little baby? She is super healthy. She's between probably two and four years old, so we're going to say three. That's math. She needs an adopter. She is being fostered in Southern California, in Corona, California, right now. She's super sweet, great with other dogs, does not seem to care about cats, which is good. Does not seem like she has any sort of prey drive. She was going to be killed at the shelter, and we brought her to safety. So if you're interested in learning more about Phoebe, please reach out. A Forever Home is out there. And if nothing else, please go on our social and share her. Thank you very much.
00:36:10
Speaker 3: Do the thing. Oh, watch out. New look.
00:36:12
Speaker 4: New looking chef.
00:36:13
Speaker 1: Hey.
00:36:14
Speaker 3: It feels right.
00:36:15
Speaker 5: I mean, this was what I had set up when we were doing the happy hour show, and I think we're kind of there right now if.
00:36:20
Speaker 3: We're being honest.
00:36:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're there.
00:36:22
Speaker 1: We're there. It's like it's 2.30. It's Friday. I'm actually– I don't– I'm looking forward to knowing what day it is, what is going on in my family and friends' life for a little bit, trying to be an active.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: Member of society. Waking up in the same place, not having to take a picture of your room number and then like, what city am I in? What hotel are we in? Let me tell you.
00:36:47
Speaker 1: The endorphin rush that Bill Plunkett and I had as we're waiting to go into the clubhouse. cleaning out our Marriott hotel queues, all of our World Series reservations, all our flights, all our travel plans. It was the happiest I've seen him in months. He was like, this is just such a weight off my shoulder. And it really is a huge dopamine boost.
00:37:04
Speaker 5: Are you not being thrown on anything World Series or do you not know that yet?
00:37:08
Speaker 1: No World Series for me. GM meetings are in a couple of weeks in Las Vegas. They're like a precursor to the winter meetings for all of you in media land who would like to know more about my boring job. And it's just the executives of teams and agents and reporters, everyone they love to see the most. And it's about a three-day kind of conference where the execs from each team can meet and discuss like, Hey, what is the early outlook on the free agent market trades, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:37
Speaker 4: Um, but it's since it's right.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: Before the winter meetings and there aren't going to be winter meetings this year because of said lockout, maybe things get a little crazy. I don't know.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: We'll see.
00:37:45
Speaker 4: It's Vegas. Live a little.
00:37:47
Speaker 2: It's Vegas, baby. It's Vegas. Uh, Clint off season plans for you besides golfing and going in your pool. That's already cold.
00:37:55
Speaker 3: I'll, I'll, I'll be here. I'll be on this channel. I'll be on my channel.
00:37:59
Speaker 5: We'll be still talking about content and Dodgers and other things and baseball and whatnot. This is now primarily how I make a living. So subscribe, everybody.
00:38:11
Speaker 3: But there will be more golf. There will be more golf.
00:38:13
Speaker 5: I will tell you, this season has been a fucking grind.
00:38:18
Speaker 3: Whole boys of pentecost it's been fun.
00:38:20
Speaker 2: You but but you've done a really good job like for those of you that don't know clint has taken on a much larger role with foul territory and then just certainly dodgers territory not only does he direct all of our shows and for the most part is in charge of producing our entire show um he's now directing a lot of foul territory he directs fair territory with ken rosenthal he directs cardinal territory he does baseball hot sheet he does a ton of stuff so he's taken on a huge role which is great that just shows you that he's he's doing well and Hopefully the roll continues, but that's where your subscriptions, getting us up to at least 20,000 subscribers is very helpful. Let's get to the Super Chats, guys, because we appreciate you. And we got lots of Super Chats in here. So thank you guys for supporting the show all season long. Where are we starting?
00:39:03
Speaker 5: I'm going to fire up. So we got a series here from our buddy, Latino Slant, $ 10.
00:39:06
Speaker 4: Yes, my guy.
00:39:08
Speaker 3: Says, Dodgers for life. Love this panel.
00:39:10
Speaker 5: Here's to a quick and smart retooling of the team for 2027.
00:39:14
Speaker 1: Keep the Fiat.
00:39:15
Speaker 3: Keep the Fiat.
00:39:16
Speaker 1: I actually didn't see that. I didn't see that for a second. That's so good.
00:39:19
Speaker 5: Listen, honestly, I'm quite certain.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: It was intentional.
00:39:23
Speaker 2: He's doing his stuff on purpose.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: That was good.
00:39:27
Speaker 3: And then also he adds, love Kelly's work.
00:39:32
Speaker 1: Thank you.
00:39:33
Speaker 3: That is a chef's kiss.
00:39:34
Speaker 1: I love my fans.
00:39:35
Speaker 3: That is a chef's kiss right here. Our friend Richie Flores, $ 4.
00:39:38
Speaker 1: 99.
00:39:38
Speaker 5: Another one. He says, in a funny way, I'm relieved this series is over. Dodgers were outclassed in every way. Dodgers were the Brewers' MVP. Brewers took full advantage.
00:39:51
Speaker 3: Dodgers didn't play poorly.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: Brewers played great. I mean, I think I love Max Muncy, and I love the candor. It's very rare that you have a guy that just says what he feels, and he's right. He said it. We played like shit. They played better. He's not wrong. Tell me one person that thinks Max Muncy is incorrect. Nobody.
00:40:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. We got another one.
00:40:10
Speaker 2: Hold on.
00:40:11
Speaker 3: I got to find it real quick because we also had a second one from Richie.
00:40:14
Speaker 5: And we– I can't have Richie on a show and have him not invite somebody to his house. So what would make this all feel.
00:40:24
Speaker 3: Better is Alana.
00:40:25
Speaker 5: I seriously read it as Atlanta for a second. Alana, off-season divorce, man cave appearance, secret service protection will be provided.
00:40:35
Speaker 2: Unless it's Big Al, I'm not going anywhere.
00:40:39
Speaker 1: That's right, with love and respect.
00:40:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's Big Al who protects Shohei, I'm not going anywhere.
00:40:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, Al's the best. Fritzie the dog, $ 9. 99.
00:40:49
Speaker 5: $ 9.
00:40:49
Speaker 3: 99.
00:40:50
Speaker 5: What do you three think JDP's next year looks like? Thoughts on pitching Tommy for Max?
00:40:56
Speaker 3: Great show as always. Hope you guys are here in the offseason. We will be. We're going to figure out exactly what that looks like.
00:41:02
Speaker 5: We don't need to get into a lot of the moves.
00:41:06
Speaker 3: I already had thoughts on the moves.
00:41:08
Speaker 5: But DePaula, his ass better be working in the outfield right now.
00:41:13
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a starting outfielder next year for the Dodgers.
00:41:18
Speaker 1: He should be, but he needs a lot of work to do. I mean, go to Winter Ball. Get some reps. Be at the complex. Get an apartment right next to CBR. There's nothing out there but a CVS in dirt. I don't care.
00:41:29
Speaker 4: Figure it out.
00:41:30
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Because Josue DePaulo's bat will play in this league, but he will be held back if his defense is not up to par and the Dodgers are counting on him to have a very solid winter heading into spring to earn that spot.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: But he has an opportunity, especially if Tay Oscar gets moved.
00:41:47
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:41:48
Speaker 3: Which is probably something.
00:41:50
Speaker 5: We will talk more about that, but I know why that guy in the middle knows about that CVS. That's where somebody's got to be getting their Arizona White Claws.
00:41:58
Speaker 3: But we digress.
00:41:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:01
Speaker 3: It's the only reason for... No comment.
00:42:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker 3: Gabriel, Gabriela, whoever.
00:42:06
Speaker 5: Gabriela, do you guys think we will trade for a contact bat?
00:42:13
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: I think you're... I think a lot of that contact and power and slug is in the guy we just talked about in JDP. And I think the more of the trades that they do, and we'll have a whole off-season breakdown, literally and figuratively, as people cry over the fallen dynasty, it's more of a trading away... someone like Tay Oscar or an Alex Call if there's a market for him to create more space for people in the system or trading away like we talked about the deadline prospect depth to build up the system in other ways so I'm not sure if we'll see a lot of on the margin additions like that I think a lot of their on the margin additions will come internally but it all depends on what they can do to move several of their you know they don't have a lot of contract players that they can move obviously that's why contracts exist but what can you do with the guys that you can't move Yeah.
00:43:03
Speaker 5: You've got to create a space for Josue DiPaola. You've got to maybe have a spot open by midseason for somebody like Mike Sirota, who's very good and not very, very, very far.
00:43:13
Speaker 3: Fantastic center field type of dude. So, some moves. You're not in a terrible spot.
00:43:18
Speaker 5: As this offseason kicks off earlier.
00:43:21
Speaker 3: LA, 8-2-4, 9-99.
00:43:24
Speaker 5: We want Otani to dominate as a two-way player, but long-term he will prioritize hitting over– or will he? prioritize hitting over chasing Cy Young's, you know, can he pitch as an opener only second half? You know, how, how do you kind of make that work? He said he loves pitching more than he loves.
00:43:41
Speaker 2: I mean, I think something, something, John Smoltz said this, not even this season, but last season, last postseason run that he thinks Shohei Otani is a, is a better pitcher. If he could, if he only went one side of the ball, He thinks Shohei would dominate as a pitcher more than he would dominate as a hitter, which is insane to think. And Smoltzy acknowledged this. I mean, the man's 50-50, right? He's not taking anything away from Shohei offensively. But if he just focused on pitching, I mean, it would pretty much be, could very well be Cy Young every year. So, I mean, that's up to Shohei, though. I mean, think about what he can do so well on both sides. Nobody can do what he does. So, who knows? It's up to Shohei.
00:44:22
Speaker 1: Here's all that matters. If Shohei wants to pitch a full season, he is going to pitch a full season. We can debate whether that's right or wrong or somewhere in between if the Dodgers should step in or say a little more. It doesn't matter because if Shohei says he wants to pitch, he's going to pitch until proven otherwise.
00:44:39
Speaker 5: If Shohei tells the organization to jump, they will say, how high, daddy?
00:44:45
Speaker 3: This much we know. Latino slant. Must have been payday. Happy payday Friday. Five bucks.
00:44:51
Speaker 5: Here's to the offseason for you all. Weekly live stream still.
00:44:55
Speaker 3: And salute. Yes, definitely weekly.
00:44:57
Speaker 5: We're going to figure out if it's probably going to end up slotting somewhere like two times a week.
00:45:01
Speaker 2: Two times a week in the offseason, yeah.
00:45:03
Speaker 5: We'll figure out all of that. And the final one, two bucks. World Series rating dip.
00:45:08
Speaker 3: Drink.
00:45:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:45:09
Speaker 3: You know who's not happy?
00:45:10
Speaker 1: Fox. Fox.
00:45:13
Speaker 3: Baseball fans might enjoy it.
00:45:14
Speaker 6: Not happy.
00:45:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:45:17
Speaker 5: Like, at least there's going to be teams that have, like, not won it ever or haven't won it in a real long-ass time.
00:45:24
Speaker 1: For real, like, the real baseball hardos.
00:45:27
Speaker 2: Like, this is cool.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: It's cool, right? Like, you can make history.
00:45:30
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:45:31
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Dodgers aren't in it– now I want the Brewers to win the whole thing, right? If the Dodgers aren't going to be in it, like, I mean, at least now, that's another conversation we could have. Like the three of the four teams that were in the NLCS are all small market, mid-market teams. low payroll teams, and the team that spent the most money is out. So that whole conversation about the salary cap, here you go. I mean, yes, granted, year after year, there are more big market teams in the World Series than small market teams, but it's not a given. It's not 100% certainty. And just to say, like, if you get a salary cap and you have to have a salary floor, who's to say that the Pittsburgh Pirates don't spend, you know... $ 50 million on two players and then the rest of their roster is still garbage making $ 3 million a year. Just because you have a salary floor doesn't mean people are going to– there's not going to be parity through 26 men on your roster.
00:46:23
Speaker 1: And with all respect to the Dodgers and Dodgers fans, if they're going to be eliminated, this is the best possible outcome for the owner's argument that small market teams can't win. Because I could be wrong here, but I'm not. Milwaukee is the smallest market in baseball. The Guardians have the lowest payroll. Tampa Bay Rays, we know about that. Also a small market, low payroll team. And they all seem to be winning a lot of games.
00:46:50
Speaker 3: Yep. Final things.
00:46:52
Speaker 5: I don't know what this one was about, but Rosamund in the chat said, figure it out, Katie.
00:46:57
Speaker 3: So we're going to attribute that. Make that a shirt. We appreciate that.
00:47:00
Speaker 4: Figure it out.
00:47:02
Speaker 5: A couple more super chats. My buddy Keene, Anthony Keene, $ 5. Let me make sure I center this a little bit better. Thanks for the great coverage all season. California misses you too, Alana.
00:47:12
Speaker 1: Thank you.
00:47:14
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
00:47:15
Speaker 5: And Steven, $ 20.
00:47:18
Speaker 3: Let's go.
00:47:18
Speaker 4: Ooh, big baller.
00:47:21
Speaker 5: It's been a fun few years. Time to reassess and reset for the next season.
00:47:25
Speaker 3: Cheers. Rock and roll.
00:47:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:47:29
Speaker 3: It'll be different. The team will look different.
00:47:31
Speaker 4: Is today your birthday?
00:47:32
Speaker 3: Tomorrow.
00:47:34
Speaker 1: Tomorrow.
00:47:36
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, bro.
00:47:37
Speaker 4: Yay. That's right.
00:47:40
Speaker 3: We're getting drunk.
00:47:41
Speaker 1: Getting drunk here at my house. Take a shot.
00:47:45
Speaker 4: Take a shot.
00:47:48
Speaker 3: Say less, fam.
00:47:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:47:50
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
00:47:52
Speaker 3: Oh, gross. Best part of waking up.
00:47:55
Speaker 2: So we cook that.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Guys, this is a chase of the high noon. That really, that was great.
00:48:05
Speaker 2: Listen, we are degenerates, but we are proud to be together and we're proud to have you guys along for the ride. Thank you guys so much. Again, subscribe. So, you know, when we're coming on probably Monday, Thursdays in the off season, we'll, we have a lot of stuff to figure out. So thank you for being here. We appreciate you guys. And thank you, Katie, honestly, for all of your unbelievable work in the clubhouse and the dugout at the games traveling. And please make sure you keep up with Katie's, work on the athletic, her, uh, off season, she's still writing. So, uh, thank you guys.
00:48:35
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for making me, uh, sound smart. I appreciate it. And thanks to everyone who's listened, who can get through all the nonsense that was this episode, but there was some, there was some things in there. We could clip sound a little smart. We had some good nuggets. There was some good nuggets.
00:48:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker 2: And you know what? The off season is going to be great. All right, guys, we'll see you later.
00:48:58
Speaker 1: Bye.
00:49:08
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. They did everything that they were supposed to do. They completely outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, also beat themselves.
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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, and welcome to a live episode of Dodgers Territory. It is a special edition, the post-mortem episode, if you will, of DT, Alana Rizzo, Katie Wu. Clint, see us with you as we have been all season long. First and foremost, to you guys listening and watching, thank you. Thank you for being with us along this ride. We appreciate it very much. So much to get to about where the Dodgers go from here. Let's get to the big ticket. Katie, good to have you back. Obviously, we know that you've been in the clubhouse, at the games, traveling, all of the things, but I would like to get your perspective first. I guess if they're going to lose, lose quickly. I mean, I think a lot of us can appreciate how good the Brewers team is. I don't know that any of us expected a sweep. What was your overall assessment of how this NLCS went down?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we've all dressed accordingly, like, for a wake, back in our all-black attire, because the 2026 Dodgers season, the dreams of a three-peat, all that jazz, officially over.
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Speaker 3: As we pour one out for our homies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right, well.
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Speaker 4: Cheers. Cheers, gang.
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Speaker 1: Cheers.
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Speaker 2: Cheers.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into my obvious professional insight. When watching the Dodgers, I don't want to diminish anything the Brewers did. They won 103 games. They are, to me, the most dangerous team of the postseason. They're playing hot. They rallied. They did everything that they were supposed to do. They completely outplayed the Dodgers. The Dodgers, on the other hand, also beat themselves. I a batting average under 200 collectively, outside of Kyle Tucker, who ironically had the best postseason for the Dodgers. The collective team OPS was under 600. You just can't win like that. And think about how many times the Dodgers would get a lead runner on and fail to score. I think the way that they lost in game four, where they got up early and then let the Brewers... chip away at the lead and weren't able to tack on they got a runner to third and the seventh and eighth and still couldn't score they did not do the little things right it resulted in an early exit the brewers outplayed them and the dodgers played themselves and played themselves right out of their their quest for a three p.
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Speaker 5: Yeah if i could follow on this for a second a lot of Things we said last night are a lot of clips that went out, particularly the last two postgame shows. Obviously, I had some critique of Dave Roberts, some critique of the decisions. I need to make sure that everybody understands. I don't think Dave Roberts and any of these decisions lost the Dodgers, the World Series. If you watch the entirety of these shows and not just what they package to you on social media sometimes, you would know that I believe the Brewers were the better team. The Dodgers got beat. All the players were saying the same thing. Yeah, some of them had a few more tears in their eyes. Some of them were a little more upset about it. Dave seemed like, yeah, you know what? We got our asses handed to us in that series.
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Speaker 3: And this is wild, guys.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you happen to see this stat from this Jay Kuda character on the internet who finds numbers and does things with them, but.
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Speaker 4: Oh, my God. That's crazy.
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Speaker 5: The 25 NLCS Dodgers four wins over 149 plate appearances, 128 at-bats. They had the 32 hits, hit 250, 347 on base. The Brewers did the exact same thing.
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Speaker 2: Are we sure?
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Speaker 3: Listen, it's on the internet. It has to be true.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Somebody asked Rick Krajewski to fact check that. That's insanity, you guys.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Get the doctor on the line.
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Speaker 2: If that is true, that is wild.
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Speaker 4: Isn't he watching this show?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost like too stupid, right? That can't be that exact the same. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But maybe it is.
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Speaker 5: Well, again, I think that dude is actually pretty good at the numbers. If, you know, we were more prepared or we cared enough. It doesn't matter how they lost.
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Speaker 3: We know they lost. And, again, the Brewers, they're really good.
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Speaker 5: Like Alana and I said for the entirety of the series, did not see a sweep coming just the same way you said last night, Alana. You thought they had something. I thought we all thought that Shohei hitting that homer was going to be something. But, my God, that team just kept chipping away.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I felt like we talked about it, too. There's a bunch of stuff on the Internet, like gifs or gifs or memes or whatever the heck the kids are saying. Every time the Dodgers scored, it was like the guy came out of the casket in Milwaukee and just they're not they're always back from the dead type of situation. I give a lot of credit to the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know people are saying that, oh, we live in a bubble. We knew how good. You know, we know how good the Brewers are. You guys are stupid. Just everybody thinks LA. No, we know the Brewers are a good team. They're a 103-win team, as Katie mentioned, in the regular season. This whole narrative of David versus Goliath is tired. It kind of worked last year, and you could see that it absolutely was the case last year. The Dodgers swept them in the NLCS, but not anymore. I mean, this is really crazy. This is a very good Brewers team. Everything went the right way. I mean, just, you know, it's kind of funny. I can understand.
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Speaker 2: How people are upset by what Pat Murphy said, the manager of the Brewers, that he was saying, you know, they have a bunch of Hall of Famers, we have a bunch of gamers, and the gamers won. As a Dodger fan, you're like, shut up, man. But as every other fan, you're like, it's kind of, you know.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
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Speaker 5: You won 103 games, bro. You won the most games in baseball. You have a fantastic team. You swept.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: But they were gamers, though. They chipped away. With the exception of Christian Jelic, they don't have a ton of all-stars on that team. They don't have MVPs. They don't have anything like the Dodgers do. They just play a really good brand of baseball, and And how about Jake Bowers, the NLCS MVP, who almost quit baseball a few years back, was going to quit baseball, but then his family, his wife found out she was pregnant, and he went back to play baseball just for health insurance, and he was crowned the NLCS MVP. That's why, that's just crazy. So anyway, kudos to them. This is the Dodger Territory Show, not Brew Crew Territory, our Brewers Territory. So let's get to that.
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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on. We have a follow.
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Speaker 4: We have an update.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Kuduski has said those numbers are confirmed. So that has happened. And we only believe numbers with all respect to Jay Kuda, of course, unless we hear from the doctor. It's not real unless the doctor says so.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe anything unless the doctor says that it's the case. Unless it's only when he's talking about his Buffalo Bill fandom, then he's a little suspect. But anyway. All right. So is the dynasty over as we know it, Katie Wook?
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Speaker 1: As we know it, as this core, it's going to look different. But is this dynasty done? No, not at all. This Dodgers team is built to last. I mean, most players on this team are under contract, for better or worse, for multiple seasons after 2027. They have one of the best farm systems in baseball. They have one of the best scouting departments in baseball. They have ample resources, even with MLB's economic picture relatively unknown with the CBA expiring. The Dodgers are no longer... It's not like they're not going to be competitive because they lost in the NLCS this year. When we start next season, whenever that does start, the Dodgers are going to be right atop. Same with the Brewers. Same with the Mets. All the big names that we've been talking about, despite payroll, for the good teams in baseball. So the dynasty is not over.
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Speaker 6: But.
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Speaker 1: The current core is going to look different. We know Miguel Rojas, Miggy Rowe retiring after a great career in Los Angeles. Have we seen the last of Quique Hernandez in a Dodgers uniform?
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Speaker 4: Maybe.
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Speaker 1: Will Andrew Friedman try to get this team younger on the margins? I believe it's the second straight year where they've had the oldest position playing core in baseball. Again, a lot of that core is tied up under contract, and you want them here. You don't want Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Muncy going anywhere, but they are getting older, so how do you get younger as a group? You do it on the margins. Maybe they go back to shopping to Oscar Hernandez this offseason, try to create a route for Josue DiPaola. The team is going to look different. The core, the kind of last ride of the first phase of this dynasty, that's over. But for the Los Angeles Dodgers and Dodgers fans, they're going to keep winning baseball. They're not going to just... totally collapsed because they had a bad NLCS.
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Speaker 2: I have a question about what you guys think about this, because I think it's very difficult to make a decision when you have that much emotion, good or bad. I don't think anybody should make massive life decisions when it is an emotional time. And I know that Miguel Rojas said that he is going to hang up the cleats, that he is retiring after this. I'm wondering, though, if the further away that he gets from the pain that was the NLCS, if he changes his mind at all. I know that he's going to stay in baseball, but I don't know that that would have necessarily been the time to make that decision because I think your body is in a little bit of shock and you're saying, all right, that's it. I can't go through this pain anymore. But I do wonder if, in fact, he changes his mind come January when people are kind of gearing up for spring training. And he decides, you know what? I mean, he's going to have to start working prior to that, obviously. But I'm interested. I'm interested to see if he actually does retire. And if he does, hell of a career. And thank you, Miguel, for your leadership and everything you've done over the course of your big league career. I know it's not the last we will see of him, but perhaps the last as a player.
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Speaker 3: I think he's done.
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Speaker 5: I think he fought it back and forth, but he announced it very early in the season.
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Speaker 3: I'm planning.
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Speaker 5: on hanging him up. And then he had a stretch where he was playing a lot better, playing at least a little bit better. But then I think as the season, you know, trudged on, you get to play in almost 170 games.
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Speaker 3: The body started breaking down on him again.
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Speaker 5: Obviously we saw it wasn't just like the back decided to give His feet gave out from under him or slipped out from under him in that really nice play at second base in Atlanta. But those little things, the nagging injuries, the end of the season, all that kind of stuff, I think that's where you're like, you know what, to get it up and get it going again for another 162 plus spring training, plus you don't really know what spring training is going to look like. You don't know what your free agency.
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Speaker 3: Is going to look like.
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Speaker 5: To kind of have that weighing over you, With the CBA thing, I think he means it, and he'll be around. We know he'll be around with this organization that was part of his contract to be a part of the organization in some capacity. Hey, if he's lingering around, maybe there's a point sometime mid-next year where they need a guy.
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Speaker 3: Miggy, strap him on.
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Speaker 5: Just don't wear those loading, the three-peat loading cleats. I would rather you put those somewhere far in a shame corner.
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Speaker 3: In your closet, please.
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Speaker 2: Katie, who should the Dodgers bring back? There's a number of free agents that are going to test the free agent market, although it's going to be a weird market because of the looming CBA lockout and that type of thing, work stoppage on December 1st. Clint has a list of free agents, I believe, or we can rattle through them. Who do you think the Dodgers bring back off of the free agent list? We're talking the Blake Trinans of the world, Evan Phillips of the world, Alex Vessia of the world, Bruce Dargradarals of the world, obviously Kike. Mickey said he's retiring.
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Speaker 7: Scooble.
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Speaker 2: Who's back? Scooble. That's a huge one. I apologize. Yeah, Scooble.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me run down the list that Fabi and I put together this morning. So Skubal, Phillips, Bessia, Trinan, Kike, Chris Bubich, Eric Lauer, Brewstar, Gratterall, all free agents. We'll see a few of them back on minor league deals. I'll focus on two that I think are important. The first one being Skubal.
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Speaker 4: Bring him back.
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Speaker 1: If you're the Dodgers, it's complicated, right? Again, because we don't know if there's going to be a salary cap placed in. We don't know what the negotiations are going to look like, how the economic model is going to change. And if there is a salary cap put in place, which I don't believe there's going to be, but that's a conversation for a separate time, there's going to be a phase-in process. But we'll put in that uncertainty, along with who Tara Schuble is represented by, Scott Boris. And you know that... The Boris Corporation is going to go for the most money out there. And why wouldn't they? Tarek Skubal is a generational talent. He's earned this position to be in. And He rightfully understood. I completely understood why. I did not want to talk about his future yesterday. It wasn't the time. This is going to dominate storylines until whenever we know what the economic model looks like next year. I firmly expect the Dodgers to be in play for Scooble, though. Whether or not Scooble signs with the team before the December 1st lockout is supposed to begin or after, no one can say. I think it just depends on what teams are willing to do. I would expect the Mets to be in the market for sure. And the normal heavy hitters here. But I think the Dodgers, when you think about, yes, they have Yamamoto, Snell, Glass under contract, Roque. Shohei says he wants to pitch. We'll get back to that later in the show. And they have so much depth in their system. They traded for him for a reason. Because they believed he was their best possible chance of increasing their odds to win the World Series.
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Speaker 4: It didn't work.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't take away why they wanted him. And Scooble fits so seamlessly in this Dodgers clubhouse. I think they're going to try everything they can to bring him back. Another guy that I think is going to come back or they should bring back, much more underrated, but very much the heart and soul of this Dodgers bullpen was Alex Vecchia. And I can't imagine a world where he does not come back in some way as a Dodger. This is just my speculation here, but I think they're going to prioritize that. I think that's going to be relatively easy to get done. You could probably say the same about Evan Phillips. I'm not sure it's to that degree as Vessia, but that is a guy who he's, he might not be your high leverage closer, your Diaz or your Tanner Scott, but Dodger fans know exactly how much Alex Vessia means to this team. And Evan Phillips just kind of slightly under that there too. So priority 1A for me, Scooble, 1B, Vessia.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think my high leverage honey bun, Evan Phillips, will be back. I think we will see Alex Vessia back as well. I think just the fit makes a lot of sense for all sides there. On the starting pitching front, you mentioned a few of the big names there. Mix in Rebleski, of course, Emmett Sheehan, Gavin Stone coming back, hopefully knock on desk from the injury. But there's just, with the uncertainty of that CBA and how much things can change, I even if it is Scott Boris that is calling the shots for Tarek Skubal, if he is not signed before the lockout, I would be absolutely shocked. That's not too much to add to that. Will it be the Dodgers? I think he liked a lot of things here. I think there's a lot of fit. But also, at some point, the Dodgers need to try to trim some payroll and open some doors for some of those younger players. But I think when you're looking at– The difference between a Tarek Skubal and an Emmett Sheehan, with all due respect, or a Tarek Skubal and all-star Justin Robleski, with all due respect, to be able to insert another top-of-the-rotation guy in your starting rotation for whatever it may be, six, seven years, you're going to try to do everything you can because it might be the last time you could flex that financial muscle.
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Speaker 3: Last thing I'll say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: The Mark Walter situation might play a bigger role.
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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. And I wanted to ask Katie about this, too. Both of you, I want your opinion on this. First of all, you say, you know, no disrespect to Emmett Sheehan and Justin Robleski. They're not even in the same atmosphere, okay? So I don't think anybody thinks that Tarek Skubal and Emmett Sheehan and Alex and Emmett Sheehan and what's his face? Justin Robleski, friend of the show. Love you, Robo. are even in the same planet when it comes to salaries and contracts and those types of things. All have their role, just very different. But my question to you, with the looming CBA, Katie, on December 1st, the lockout, and the situation that apparently the fire that apparently Dodger principal owner Mark Walter is under, how many of these massive deals could you give? Probably Tarek Skubal would be the biggest deal that they would be looking at this offseason, correct, in terms of money. Is that even a possibility considering what this ownership allegedly is going through right now?
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Speaker 1: For the Dodgers, it's always a possibility until it's not. And I mean, think about the last four off seasons, or I don't even know what year it is anymore. I don't even know what day. But they are going to be major players, but it is fair to speculate and to have some pause is when you think about the financial implications that are going through their ownership group right now. And again, the CBA that they're spending might be paused or at least a little bit more cautious. At the same time, this could be the last time the Dodgers can spend in the way that they have. Again, talking to players around the league, they seem pretty unified in their disdain for a salary cap. They don't want it. It's why there's so much contention building around this pending lockout is because it seems like this could be something that takes a while. Assuming something changes, the Dodgers might say, hey, this could be our last time to do this the way that we have done it, the way that is currently allowed in the CBA. Why not take advantage of it? That's when the uncertainty about whatever is going on with Mark Walter and his ownership group and the finances there comes into play. We've heard it from Stan Kasten throughout the summer that it's not going to impact the Dodgers. The Dodgers are in good shape. We'll see how it goes over the next couple months or so. But off-seasons are always tricky to predict. This one even more so for all these reasons not even related to baseball. And it can change so quickly. But I do think there will be some teams that before December 1st, we saw this in last year, the last time there was a lockout the day before the lockout that started the 2022 spring training season late uh there were significant free agent deals and trades made and it was kind of like an early trade deadline just to kind of beat that cba expiration i can see that happening again this year as well yeah it's.
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Speaker 3: There is a hole in my bottle of wine. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So same, definitely same. Um, Let me ask you this. Clint, oh, by the way, Richie or somebody Carino was wondering if you were drinking Red Bulls. He said don't drink those. You're not. You're drinking High Noon.
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Speaker 3: Do I look like I care about health? No, we appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Is everybody on the Dodgers staff coming back, in your opinion, Clint?
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: There are some of the guys, obviously, who have– Their names have been thrown around in the manager hat and all that kind of stuff. We've heard Danny Lehman. We've seen Chris Woodward already take off for another job in the past. So you'd wonder if maybe those guys are amongst names that are thrown into a hat for potential future managerial opens.
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Speaker 3: It feels like openings.
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Speaker 5: I think he's still got the Mariners job open at the moment. Whatever they're going to do in Anaheim, stuff like that. But we did have a question from Matthew about this. Do we think maybe... Matthew on Twitter, he actually DM'd me or messaged me directly about it, like Matthew S3, wondering if there's going to be maybe some changes with the hitting coaches, maybe something else in that regard. I feel like this organization has been so, I don't know, like cohesive in that regard. The only thing I could see a difference is if maybe Bob Guerin decides he wants to hang him up and you know, you bring in a Justin Turner or you bring in a Miguel Rojas in some sort of bench coach or, or whatever it may be, you know, field planning coach, whatever. There's a billion jobs that keep making up to the question. I don't think we're going to see wholesale changes and no, you will not see Dave Roberts moving anywhere for anybody who's going to say that, Oh, if Dave didn't have a great series or whatever, you just want him fired.
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Speaker 3: No, I love Dave.
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Speaker 2: Um, So, yeah. There's no reason in the world Dave Roberts should ever be.
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Speaker 3: Fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Should ever not be the Dodgers manager until Dave decides he wants to leave. I mean, let's not forget what Dave Roberts has done for this club and this organization, not to mention all the other stuff in the community that goes along with this. It was a bad series. Dave wasn't hitting. Dave wasn't pitching. You know, Dave wasn't defending.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: The only thing I wonder is sometimes it's the hitting coaches that are the scapegoat when things go south. Right. But then I think about it, too, with Aaron Bates and Rob Van Scoyock. They were the same hitting coaches in 2024 and 2025 when this team won the World Series. So it's like the personnel is exactly the same. It was just the execution was not there this season.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's going to be a change there, not to say that they deserve to lose their jobs. I absolutely don't think so. Obviously Mark Pryor is not going anywhere and Mark Pryor should always be the Dodgers pitching coach until he does not want to do it any longer. Um, I don't know if we're going to see any changes. I don't know that it was the staff. I don't think the staff was the issue. I think it was just it was it was poor play and a lack of execution and a lack of production. So I would be very surprised unless to Clint's point, you know, somebody gets an opportunity to, you know, advance in their career with that with the higher higher position someplace else. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, any thoughts on this?
00:23:41
Speaker 1: Not really. I think you guys pretty much crushed it. Baseball is just such a what-have-you-done-for-me-right-now business. And to your point, Alana, this is the same staff that just brought back-to-back championships to Los Angeles. And they're going to be judged for the lack of execution that we saw for a good portion of.
00:24:00
Speaker 1: Shifts throughout the season. And I think those that have been following the Dodgers all year kind of saw this one coming again. You're like, no, not now, not this time. It's like waves. The ebbs and flows of the season just came at the wrong time for the Dodgers. But at the end of the day, the coaches aren't the ones asking or needing to hit with runners in scoring position. They're not the guys unable to put balls in play. I don't think that we see any changes right now. I also don't even think that Andrew Friedman and co have even discussed that. I think right now they're back to the drawing board, figuring out what went wrong and they'll have a couple of extra weeks before the GM meetings, the unofficial start of the off season to really kind of dissect that. Yeah.
00:24:37
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Speaker 2: That's so funny. So funny time now for behind the scenes, but before we get into the Shohei conversation, I swear for a hot second there, I thought A.J. Pruszynski said on foul territory, we have so many hoes. He said so many hoes.
00:26:12
Speaker 1: I also said that.
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Speaker 2: I was like, A.J.
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Speaker 1: That's outrageous even for you.
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Speaker 3: We have hoes and hosts in different area codes. I will drink to that always.
00:26:28
Speaker 2: Anyway, Shohei Otani, is he having surgery or not? Katie, he seems to claim he wants to pitch next season. If that in fact is the case, is the ramp up to that approach, does it need to be different next season than it was this year?
00:26:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked to Shohei, an impromptu media scrum outside of his locker yesterday. I believe that's the first time he's done that, at least as a Dodger. And through Will Ireton, he said that he definitely plans to pitch next season. He said, yes, definitely. And he also is not sure what or if he'll need off-season surgery. He said, hard to tell at this point. It's something that's going to be analyzed, discussed over the off-season, and we'll see if it's a viable thing to do. So the only thing that was... definitive just looking at otani's demeanor after the game and how he was talking to media was that he was pissed he's frustrated he and it's not just because of the physical limitations that he obviously has been trying to play through since june the narrative the speculation the overall performance the fact that he couldn't pitch in the postseason and then he ultimately couldn't hit in the postseason either all of that this is something that shohei feels responsible for it is his it's his duty it's his job to charge the Dodgers on both sides of the ball to the World Series. And the fact that he wasn't able to do so, and the fact that the worst performing stretch of his career came at the most vital time, that was not lost on me at all, even through the very proper translations through Will Ireton. Now, There are going to be some serious conversations about his health. We know about the knee. We know about the bicep. I don't think that you can imagine or plan for Shohei to go into a full season of any kind of play knowing that he's in this much pain and this uncomfortable. So I would expect to have an update on Otani's health, perhaps as soon as the Dodgers do their end of season post-press conference. But for right now, the big thing that the Dodgers must ask is, What can we learn from how we handled Shohei Ohtani this year? It's unprecedented. Andrew Friedman said this right before the postseason. What Shohei Ohtani is trying to do is unprecedented and it takes a real toll on your body. This is what Friedman said. He also said it's unprecedented for all of us and we're feeling our way through it together. And we've said this before on the show, there was going to be some trial and error, some mistakes made, some lessons along the way with the Dodgers attempting a full season of two-way duties from Shohei, plus the postseason. Yes, he did this as an angel. The angels, they don't know what October is. They also were dealing with a much younger version of Shohei. This is a player who turned 32 in the middle of the year, was ramping his way back up after not pitching in a full season for two years. And there were some mistakes about how it was handled, both on the Dodgers side, both on Shohei's side. And I think Andrew Friedman had made that very clear. The question is, is how can they make sure they are not in this position again next year? Because you'll recall in spring train, the big talk for Shohei was he wants to win a Cy Young. And if Shohei Ohtani wants to pitch, the Dodgers are going to let him pitch. That was also evidenced by despite him being hurt in June and July, they decided it was okay to keep ramping him up in August, which derailed his season to the point that it is right now. So the Dodgers and Shohei have to have an honest discussion about what the ramp-up is going to look like and if he can actually do this for a full season. We saw Shohei Otani at his best in October last postseason in 2025. He ramped up in the second half and was available as one of the best pitchers in the postseason and one of the best hitters. That's the kind of version that the Dodgers need in October to It remains to be seen if they can get that. If they permit him to pitch all throughout the season, we know how much the Cy Young Award matters, but what's more important, winning that award or winning another World Series for LA? The Dodgers and Shohei have to find a way to figure that out.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Shay, 1987 in our chat, Clint has a good point. The lockout might benefit Otani's healing timeline. If you're not forced to ramp up and you don't know what the heck's going on, perhaps a little extra time until we have a sense of what's going to happen to the 2027 season is is a good thing. But to Katie's point, what did the Dodgers learn about how to manage Shohei Otani? Doesn't the conversation need to be more open, more honest, perhaps saying, listen, again, and I've said this word a thousand times or this phrase a thousand times, Shohei is the biggest piece of the puzzle, but he's not the entire puzzle. And I think there's got to be a way that they can have more honest, open lines of communication to really see. I think a lot of folks Perhaps saying that this whole situation, the whole injury situation with Shohei Otani was mismanaged throughout the season, not necessarily on part of the Dodgers, but because Shohei is such a competitor, no superstar ever wants to admit that they're hurt.
00:31:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.
00:31:07
Speaker 5: And again, it is something that they learned. Not only the communication factor here, they'll understand, I think the organization understands that they probably need to be a little more forceful with Shohei Otani, ask him questions, force him to be a little more open and honest with them, make him understand that it is okay that if you are hurt in July to take longer, to take some time off, to take longer than just the all-star break off as you're trying to get your knee right because what it ultimately came down to, and as Katie was talking, we had the month-over-month offensive production for Shohei Otani breaking. It was bad, and I'll go ahead and throw that up again. But the issues, the knee issue, changed the swing. And it took him kind of until the last two games to figure it out. He did hit the ball a lot harder in those final two games of the NLCS. So, yes, I think the communication factor. But it also may have taught this team to further.
00:32:06
Speaker 3: Piggyback off of Wu. He is older now.
00:32:10
Speaker 5: And I don't think you can expect him to go out there and play 150 games while also making 25 starts. Definitely not 30, but 14 starts this year. They were phenomenal. 13 of them were phenomenal.
00:32:23
Speaker 3: Then he was injured.
00:32:24
Speaker 5: I think it needs to look like a shorter season, and it might need to potentially look more like what we saw in 2025 as he ramped up later in the season. And then he was fantastic by the time. well, really by the time they got to NLCS Game 3 is when everything came together for him in the postseason. But you could still have 50-homer Shohei when he's not focusing on the entirety of the season with the two-way.
00:32:51
Speaker 3: And having Cy Young. So he needs to pick a lane.
00:32:54
Speaker 5: If he wants to be a Cy Young Award winner, he wants to try to do that, he may need to pitch only or hit a little bit. It may also come down to You've got to give him a lot more days off. You can't have him hit and pitch in the same game. You can't have him hit after a start day.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot. He's not going to be.
00:33:11
Speaker 5: Happy with it, but if you want to be healthy and ready to play and effective at the most important part of the season, it could be what's better for everybody involved.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: Breach. Well said. Well said.
00:33:25
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what else we can talk about from there. I think you've covered it very well. So, again, you guys, over the course of this offseason, the three of us are going to be together talking.
00:33:37
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
00:33:38
Speaker 3: I said, oh, drinking. That looks like fun.
00:33:40
Speaker 5: By the way, we also have a bunch of super chats. We're going to get to chats and all that kind of stuff. We'll make sure we throw that out there. The show is here for you guys, maybe a little selfishly so we can all drink together and not have to see each other in public.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: Off-season, off-season mode, a little earlier than we thought, but we are here.
00:33:57
Speaker 3: It is interesting.
00:33:58
Speaker 5: The FT boys, as I was directing the show today, were giving me crap and slack about what are you supposed to do now?
00:34:07
Speaker 3: You're so used to going to the bitter end.
00:34:09
Speaker 5: Obviously, Game 7 last year, Game 5, or five games in 2024.
00:34:15
Speaker 3: Um, you know, it's like, I don't know what to do with my head. I'm already looking at golfing.
00:34:18
Speaker 2: What do I do? What do I do with my hands?
00:34:20
Speaker 1: What do I do with my hands?
00:34:22
Speaker 5: Depending on the hangover or the, you know, still drunk into Sunday-ness and planning on, you know, we've got some golf, we've got some twilight golf on Sunday plan, you know, must be nice.
00:34:33
Speaker 2: Must be nice.
00:34:33
Speaker 4: What a life.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: No, I mean just the weather. Oh, listen, South Bay lady. I don't want to hear it. Oh, yeah.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: You know what's annoying is I had to turn on my AC today. That's where I'm at. It's like hot right now.
00:34:46
Speaker 4: It is hot. I'm going to turn my earphones on.
00:34:48
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? We're approaching.
00:34:50
Speaker 5: The sad thing is for me, Alana, is that it's hot outside, but my pool is already cool.
00:34:56
Speaker 3: Like the water is cold.
00:34:58
Speaker 4: So it's like, ugh.
00:35:00
Speaker 1: It's too much.
00:35:01
Speaker 3: It's too hard for us here, you know?
00:35:05
Speaker 2: I miss it so badly. I miss it so badly. Oh, my God. I miss California so much. It's not even funny. Anyway, let's talk about a dog in California that needs help.
00:35:17
Speaker 1: All right, guys. This is Phoebe.
00:35:23
Speaker 2: We just got her a DNA kit that was about to be... Sent to the lab. Actually, we did send it to the lab. We're just waiting for it to arrive at Wisdom Panel to find out exactly what beautiful breed she is. We do know, obviously, she's some sort of shepherd. But what else is in that little baby? She is super healthy. She's between probably two and four years old, so we're going to say three. That's math. She needs an adopter. She is being fostered in Southern California, in Corona, California, right now. She's super sweet, great with other dogs, does not seem to care about cats, which is good. Does not seem like she has any sort of prey drive. She was going to be killed at the shelter, and we brought her to safety. So if you're interested in learning more about Phoebe, please reach out. A Forever Home is out there. And if nothing else, please go on our social and share her. Thank you very much.
00:36:10
Speaker 3: Do the thing. Oh, watch out. New look.
00:36:12
Speaker 4: New looking chef.
00:36:13
Speaker 1: Hey.
00:36:14
Speaker 3: It feels right.
00:36:15
Speaker 5: I mean, this was what I had set up when we were doing the happy hour show, and I think we're kind of there right now if.
00:36:20
Speaker 3: We're being honest.
00:36:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're there.
00:36:22
Speaker 1: We're there. It's like it's 2.30. It's Friday. I'm actually– I don't– I'm looking forward to knowing what day it is, what is going on in my family and friends' life for a little bit, trying to be an active.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: Member of society. Waking up in the same place, not having to take a picture of your room number and then like, what city am I in? What hotel are we in? Let me tell you.
00:36:47
Speaker 1: The endorphin rush that Bill Plunkett and I had as we're waiting to go into the clubhouse. cleaning out our Marriott hotel queues, all of our World Series reservations, all our flights, all our travel plans. It was the happiest I've seen him in months. He was like, this is just such a weight off my shoulder. And it really is a huge dopamine boost.
00:37:04
Speaker 5: Are you not being thrown on anything World Series or do you not know that yet?
00:37:08
Speaker 1: No World Series for me. GM meetings are in a couple of weeks in Las Vegas. They're like a precursor to the winter meetings for all of you in media land who would like to know more about my boring job. And it's just the executives of teams and agents and reporters, everyone they love to see the most. And it's about a three-day kind of conference where the execs from each team can meet and discuss like, Hey, what is the early outlook on the free agent market trades, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:37
Speaker 4: Um, but it's since it's right.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: Before the winter meetings and there aren't going to be winter meetings this year because of said lockout, maybe things get a little crazy. I don't know.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: We'll see.
00:37:45
Speaker 4: It's Vegas. Live a little.
00:37:47
Speaker 2: It's Vegas, baby. It's Vegas. Uh, Clint off season plans for you besides golfing and going in your pool. That's already cold.
00:37:55
Speaker 3: I'll, I'll, I'll be here. I'll be on this channel. I'll be on my channel.
00:37:59
Speaker 5: We'll be still talking about content and Dodgers and other things and baseball and whatnot. This is now primarily how I make a living. So subscribe, everybody.
00:38:11
Speaker 3: But there will be more golf. There will be more golf.
00:38:13
Speaker 5: I will tell you, this season has been a fucking grind.
00:38:18
Speaker 3: Whole boys of pentecost it's been fun.
00:38:20
Speaker 2: You but but you've done a really good job like for those of you that don't know clint has taken on a much larger role with foul territory and then just certainly dodgers territory not only does he direct all of our shows and for the most part is in charge of producing our entire show um he's now directing a lot of foul territory he directs fair territory with ken rosenthal he directs cardinal territory he does baseball hot sheet he does a ton of stuff so he's taken on a huge role which is great that just shows you that he's he's doing well and Hopefully the roll continues, but that's where your subscriptions, getting us up to at least 20,000 subscribers is very helpful. Let's get to the Super Chats, guys, because we appreciate you. And we got lots of Super Chats in here. So thank you guys for supporting the show all season long. Where are we starting?
00:39:03
Speaker 5: I'm going to fire up. So we got a series here from our buddy, Latino Slant, $ 10.
00:39:06
Speaker 4: Yes, my guy.
00:39:08
Speaker 3: Says, Dodgers for life. Love this panel.
00:39:10
Speaker 5: Here's to a quick and smart retooling of the team for 2027.
00:39:14
Speaker 1: Keep the Fiat.
00:39:15
Speaker 3: Keep the Fiat.
00:39:16
Speaker 1: I actually didn't see that. I didn't see that for a second. That's so good.
00:39:19
Speaker 5: Listen, honestly, I'm quite certain.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: It was intentional.
00:39:23
Speaker 2: He's doing his stuff on purpose.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: That was good.
00:39:27
Speaker 3: And then also he adds, love Kelly's work.
00:39:32
Speaker 1: Thank you.
00:39:33
Speaker 3: That is a chef's kiss.
00:39:34
Speaker 1: I love my fans.
00:39:35
Speaker 3: That is a chef's kiss right here. Our friend Richie Flores, $ 4.
00:39:38
Speaker 1: 99.
00:39:38
Speaker 5: Another one. He says, in a funny way, I'm relieved this series is over. Dodgers were outclassed in every way. Dodgers were the Brewers' MVP. Brewers took full advantage.
00:39:51
Speaker 3: Dodgers didn't play poorly.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: Brewers played great. I mean, I think I love Max Muncy, and I love the candor. It's very rare that you have a guy that just says what he feels, and he's right. He said it. We played like shit. They played better. He's not wrong. Tell me one person that thinks Max Muncy is incorrect. Nobody.
00:40:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. We got another one.
00:40:10
Speaker 2: Hold on.
00:40:11
Speaker 3: I got to find it real quick because we also had a second one from Richie.
00:40:14
Speaker 5: And we– I can't have Richie on a show and have him not invite somebody to his house. So what would make this all feel.
00:40:24
Speaker 3: Better is Alana.
00:40:25
Speaker 5: I seriously read it as Atlanta for a second. Alana, off-season divorce, man cave appearance, secret service protection will be provided.
00:40:35
Speaker 2: Unless it's Big Al, I'm not going anywhere.
00:40:39
Speaker 1: That's right, with love and respect.
00:40:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's Big Al who protects Shohei, I'm not going anywhere.
00:40:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, Al's the best. Fritzie the dog, $ 9. 99.
00:40:49
Speaker 5: $ 9.
00:40:49
Speaker 3: 99.
00:40:50
Speaker 5: What do you three think JDP's next year looks like? Thoughts on pitching Tommy for Max?
00:40:56
Speaker 3: Great show as always. Hope you guys are here in the offseason. We will be. We're going to figure out exactly what that looks like.
00:41:02
Speaker 5: We don't need to get into a lot of the moves.
00:41:06
Speaker 3: I already had thoughts on the moves.
00:41:08
Speaker 5: But DePaula, his ass better be working in the outfield right now.
00:41:13
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a starting outfielder next year for the Dodgers.
00:41:18
Speaker 1: He should be, but he needs a lot of work to do. I mean, go to Winter Ball. Get some reps. Be at the complex. Get an apartment right next to CBR. There's nothing out there but a CVS in dirt. I don't care.
00:41:29
Speaker 4: Figure it out.
00:41:30
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Because Josue DePaulo's bat will play in this league, but he will be held back if his defense is not up to par and the Dodgers are counting on him to have a very solid winter heading into spring to earn that spot.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: But he has an opportunity, especially if Tay Oscar gets moved.
00:41:47
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:41:48
Speaker 3: Which is probably something.
00:41:50
Speaker 5: We will talk more about that, but I know why that guy in the middle knows about that CVS. That's where somebody's got to be getting their Arizona White Claws.
00:41:58
Speaker 3: But we digress.
00:41:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:01
Speaker 3: It's the only reason for... No comment.
00:42:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker 3: Gabriel, Gabriela, whoever.
00:42:06
Speaker 5: Gabriela, do you guys think we will trade for a contact bat?
00:42:13
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: I think you're... I think a lot of that contact and power and slug is in the guy we just talked about in JDP. And I think the more of the trades that they do, and we'll have a whole off-season breakdown, literally and figuratively, as people cry over the fallen dynasty, it's more of a trading away... someone like Tay Oscar or an Alex Call if there's a market for him to create more space for people in the system or trading away like we talked about the deadline prospect depth to build up the system in other ways so I'm not sure if we'll see a lot of on the margin additions like that I think a lot of their on the margin additions will come internally but it all depends on what they can do to move several of their you know they don't have a lot of contract players that they can move obviously that's why contracts exist but what can you do with the guys that you can't move Yeah.
00:43:03
Speaker 5: You've got to create a space for Josue DiPaola. You've got to maybe have a spot open by midseason for somebody like Mike Sirota, who's very good and not very, very, very far.
00:43:13
Speaker 3: Fantastic center field type of dude. So, some moves. You're not in a terrible spot.
00:43:18
Speaker 5: As this offseason kicks off earlier.
00:43:21
Speaker 3: LA, 8-2-4, 9-99.
00:43:24
Speaker 5: We want Otani to dominate as a two-way player, but long-term he will prioritize hitting over– or will he? prioritize hitting over chasing Cy Young's, you know, can he pitch as an opener only second half? You know, how, how do you kind of make that work? He said he loves pitching more than he loves.
00:43:41
Speaker 2: I mean, I think something, something, John Smoltz said this, not even this season, but last season, last postseason run that he thinks Shohei Otani is a, is a better pitcher. If he could, if he only went one side of the ball, He thinks Shohei would dominate as a pitcher more than he would dominate as a hitter, which is insane to think. And Smoltzy acknowledged this. I mean, the man's 50-50, right? He's not taking anything away from Shohei offensively. But if he just focused on pitching, I mean, it would pretty much be, could very well be Cy Young every year. So, I mean, that's up to Shohei, though. I mean, think about what he can do so well on both sides. Nobody can do what he does. So, who knows? It's up to Shohei.
00:44:22
Speaker 1: Here's all that matters. If Shohei wants to pitch a full season, he is going to pitch a full season. We can debate whether that's right or wrong or somewhere in between if the Dodgers should step in or say a little more. It doesn't matter because if Shohei says he wants to pitch, he's going to pitch until proven otherwise.
00:44:39
Speaker 5: If Shohei tells the organization to jump, they will say, how high, daddy?
00:44:45
Speaker 3: This much we know. Latino slant. Must have been payday. Happy payday Friday. Five bucks.
00:44:51
Speaker 5: Here's to the offseason for you all. Weekly live stream still.
00:44:55
Speaker 3: And salute. Yes, definitely weekly.
00:44:57
Speaker 5: We're going to figure out if it's probably going to end up slotting somewhere like two times a week.
00:45:01
Speaker 2: Two times a week in the offseason, yeah.
00:45:03
Speaker 5: We'll figure out all of that. And the final one, two bucks. World Series rating dip.
00:45:08
Speaker 3: Drink.
00:45:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:45:09
Speaker 3: You know who's not happy?
00:45:10
Speaker 1: Fox. Fox.
00:45:13
Speaker 3: Baseball fans might enjoy it.
00:45:14
Speaker 6: Not happy.
00:45:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:45:17
Speaker 5: Like, at least there's going to be teams that have, like, not won it ever or haven't won it in a real long-ass time.
00:45:24
Speaker 1: For real, like, the real baseball hardos.
00:45:27
Speaker 2: Like, this is cool.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: It's cool, right? Like, you can make history.
00:45:30
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:45:31
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Dodgers aren't in it– now I want the Brewers to win the whole thing, right? If the Dodgers aren't going to be in it, like, I mean, at least now, that's another conversation we could have. Like the three of the four teams that were in the NLCS are all small market, mid-market teams. low payroll teams, and the team that spent the most money is out. So that whole conversation about the salary cap, here you go. I mean, yes, granted, year after year, there are more big market teams in the World Series than small market teams, but it's not a given. It's not 100% certainty. And just to say, like, if you get a salary cap and you have to have a salary floor, who's to say that the Pittsburgh Pirates don't spend, you know... $ 50 million on two players and then the rest of their roster is still garbage making $ 3 million a year. Just because you have a salary floor doesn't mean people are going to– there's not going to be parity through 26 men on your roster.
00:46:23
Speaker 1: And with all respect to the Dodgers and Dodgers fans, if they're going to be eliminated, this is the best possible outcome for the owner's argument that small market teams can't win. Because I could be wrong here, but I'm not. Milwaukee is the smallest market in baseball. The Guardians have the lowest payroll. Tampa Bay Rays, we know about that. Also a small market, low payroll team. And they all seem to be winning a lot of games.
00:46:50
Speaker 3: Yep. Final things.
00:46:52
Speaker 5: I don't know what this one was about, but Rosamund in the chat said, figure it out, Katie.
00:46:57
Speaker 3: So we're going to attribute that. Make that a shirt. We appreciate that.
00:47:00
Speaker 4: Figure it out.
00:47:02
Speaker 5: A couple more super chats. My buddy Keene, Anthony Keene, $ 5. Let me make sure I center this a little bit better. Thanks for the great coverage all season. California misses you too, Alana.
00:47:12
Speaker 1: Thank you.
00:47:14
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
00:47:15
Speaker 5: And Steven, $ 20.
00:47:18
Speaker 3: Let's go.
00:47:18
Speaker 4: Ooh, big baller.
00:47:21
Speaker 5: It's been a fun few years. Time to reassess and reset for the next season.
00:47:25
Speaker 3: Cheers. Rock and roll.
00:47:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:47:29
Speaker 3: It'll be different. The team will look different.
00:47:31
Speaker 4: Is today your birthday?
00:47:32
Speaker 3: Tomorrow.
00:47:34
Speaker 1: Tomorrow.
00:47:36
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, bro.
00:47:37
Speaker 4: Yay. That's right.
00:47:40
Speaker 3: We're getting drunk.
00:47:41
Speaker 1: Getting drunk here at my house. Take a shot.
00:47:45
Speaker 4: Take a shot.
00:47:48
Speaker 3: Say less, fam.
00:47:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:47:50
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
00:47:52
Speaker 3: Oh, gross. Best part of waking up.
00:47:55
Speaker 2: So we cook that.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Guys, this is a chase of the high noon. That really, that was great.
00:48:05
Speaker 2: Listen, we are degenerates, but we are proud to be together and we're proud to have you guys along for the ride. Thank you guys so much. Again, subscribe. So, you know, when we're coming on probably Monday, Thursdays in the off season, we'll, we have a lot of stuff to figure out. So thank you for being here. We appreciate you guys. And thank you, Katie, honestly, for all of your unbelievable work in the clubhouse and the dugout at the games traveling. And please make sure you keep up with Katie's, work on the athletic, her, uh, off season, she's still writing. So, uh, thank you guys.
00:48:35
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for making me, uh, sound smart. I appreciate it. And thanks to everyone who's listened, who can get through all the nonsense that was this episode, but there was some, there was some things in there. We could clip sound a little smart. We had some good nuggets. There was some good nuggets.
00:48:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker 2: And you know what? The off season is going to be great. All right, guys, we'll see you later.
00:48:58
Speaker 1: Bye.
00:49:08
Speaker 2: Thank you.
