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[SPEAKER_00]: Greetings friends welcome back to critically acclaimed the film review podcast where William goes to great lengths to Mix in an explosion at the beginning of every show Well done William.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's on a hill and you see everything is on a hill both ways that you see light I don't know how they do and um My name is what you saw all I'm a film critic I am senior staff writer over at slash film with me as always is my far more intelligent and talented co-host William introduce yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am more intelligent and talented and sexy my name is William Bibbiani
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic, I read for the rap and I am never going to respond to that comment that way again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That felt weird to just say I am better than you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're the star of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lie and you know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at any case, I'm the gym to your Merlin Perkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, my name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm gonna be on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna move you got a show and we're gonna review a whole bunch of movies We're gonna be reviewing the live-action remake of Moana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe it's been 10 years already?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can We've got the new minions movie with minions and monsters We've got the new evil dead movie in which evil dead, and let me check my notes here
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[SPEAKER_01]: burn uh... we've got gale dotry and the celebrity sex pass now that's a comedy do up that's one movie uh... we've got inola homes three that is also one movie but it is the third movie of the three movies but it is the one
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Night Nurse, which I assume stars Rosario Dawson as a character from the Daredevil show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it does nothing to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's an erotic thriller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then no eroticism, no thrills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got young, Washington, the new movie,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an angel film, it's an angel studio, it's about George Washington in some way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you like to talk about first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we usually talk about the biggest movie at the box office, and we missed a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, the box office has been pretty disappointing the last couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two movies, which were expected to be huge blockbusters because the franchise movies, their kids movies,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get for a kid to get a part of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to re calibrate our thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This idea that the big IP franchise movies, that's millennial thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to put that behind us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we can't put it entirely behind us because sometimes they do good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we story five did fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's true but a lot of the things we are expecting to do well aren't and haven't been for quite some time so we can start speaking of them as sort of like the final twitches of a dying corpse yeah it's like oh no the the latest superhero film didn't do well of course didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: than I'm going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every once in a while you're going to get a blip, but yeah, so I don't didn't expect the remake of Moana to overwhelm audiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect a lot of these sequels to do as well as they might have a decade ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we don't do box office here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sometimes relevant, but usually it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that again, and we've said there's multiple times in the last few months, because I think we've hit an inflection point,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the old paradigm, the old safety net for Hollywood is no longer working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer is safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the things that they have trained themselves to rely upon, and I'm old enough to remember before it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember the rise and I remember to send and see and now it's contracting and I don't think it's not surprising that it would eventually
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we, there was, there's a certain blissful ignorance of history in which everyone assumes that their generation is better, more important, the first we love is going to last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think a lot of people thought that, and honestly, we were overdue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the superhero way of the 80s nostalgia way of these things had been really been carrying us for a very long time, uh, but I think there's something different going on here with these two movies, Midians and Monsters and Volana, because those are not nostalgia IP those are relatively recent IP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Minions has only been around since despicable me, which is like 15 years old, and Volana has only been around for about 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are seeing is that the studio is making these movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to do for relatively recent movies, what had worked for older movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even something, even like Lilo and Stitch felt a little soon, but like that made money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People did have nostalgia for Lilo and Stitch that was a certain novelty in seeing it in live action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That movie did find last year, but I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there needs, it's that 20 year gap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That 20 year in nostalgia rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unless you're doing like a total, sorry, excuse me, a bump into the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you're doing a total reboot, new cast, new direction, you might be able to get away with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just flat out, doing a remake or doing a live action remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or even a crypto.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just no guarantee that that's going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so minions, you know, I don't think anyone can say that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There hasn't been enough minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of pop culture to sort of embrace of the millions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People dress in like the minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're part of the firmament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, good for them, but there are a new minions movie is not in and of itself an event anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Moana in particular is a frustrating example, because not only is it a live action remake of a movie that's like 10 to 11 years old now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meaning that the children who saw marijuana in theaters are mostly still children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they have kids of their own now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been 11 year old and this was released in the original.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was released in his lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The this Moana remake is the latest in a trend that began kind of an earnest in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the release of Alice in Wonderland directed by Tim Burton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually a sequel, but it had the same title and it was sold as sort of like a live action rematch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The live action reboot of the same, same kind of a sequel to the animated film from 1954.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Moana is the first in this remake trend to be a remake of a movie that came out after the remakes were already a trend, which is a weird distinction to have, and it might be the only thing that makes this film distinct at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not only a remake of a movie that came out after the remake trend had been going in earnest for a while, it's not even like it was right on the cusp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it's also a movie that is a remake of a movie that had a sequel a year ago to music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They made over a billion dollars and they're still making another sequel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like we've gone phallow in the Moana department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no need that this is addressing the only thing, and I'm watching the credits from Moana, the new one and I'm thinking to myself, all these people got work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy all these people got work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that it's a cast of, you know, self-acific islanders and people who normally do not get to headline these kinds of movies during the rock shots and that was standing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they got paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they got their time in the spotlight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the cast in this movie is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a, it's called,
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is different from a glass ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glass ceiling is the thing that prevents, you know, non-strait white males from cisgender males from like achieving anything in an industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The glass cliff is a phenomenon that describes when, um, finally letting people who don't normally get to run things or headline things or makes these movies, finally letting them take the spotlight, take charge
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right when the trend or right when the industry is dying out So that if it succeeds, it's pretty minimal and if it fails they get to blame That's like people saying like super gold didn't make money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well girl movies in super movies don't work
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the whole genre was already off the edge of the cliff when the superman came.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really frustrating film for this to happen with because
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, a lot of great people are growing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's super cool, but it's super cool as well, but honestly, mostly Moana, because I think there's a lot of earnestness, a lot of think a genuine attempt, at least on the part of the cast, to try to make this a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only is the trend dying, but the movie itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty fucking inert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is happening in this film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's not even visually interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's really quite dull.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, it's the, I walked out and the first film that I could think of, the kind of analogy was like a Star Wars prequel film from the early 2000s, from before the original Mowana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, I was thinking of a tack of the clones, which the one that really started to lean into digital photography a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way director George Lucas shot that film was he shot live action actors against a blue screen backdrops and then composited in digital environments or had them talking to other digital characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the actors were kind of in this neather space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where the sort of background was just sort of shifting behind them and the way George Lucas blocked those scenes was like the simplest most boring way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like all in mid-close ups, shot rever, like start with a master of two, do a shot rever shot to do the really boring dialogue and then cut to the next scene and then of course the next scene is fully animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has, you know, spaceships and robots all flying around in the camera, spinning everywhere, and yet somehow that's also really boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just too much visual information too quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no all or wonder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that stuff doesn't gel together very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was incredibly stayed a stagey, a really just kind of generically filmed dialogue sequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're, it's like, there's so impatient to get to this CGI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That stuff is going hog wild, and it doesn't really match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It comes, creates this weird painting quality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, and that's my issue with this new Moana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, the, a lot of it is, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The live action actors are live action.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have Dwayne Johnson, Represhing his role as Maui.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets to wear a big long wig.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has no nipples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wears like this rubber torso.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're hiding it behind, like, like, tattoo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's many, many, many tattoos, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carthorn Lungaya is the the lead actress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She plays Marana, and she's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's confident in a production of this size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's holding nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's holding a lot of the movie is just a duo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just her and Dwayne Johnson and Dwayne Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe not the greatest actor in the world, but he's charming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to hold the camera's gaze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to be fun on screen and
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it takes someone who is very skilled at matching or countering his energy to really excel, alongside Duane Johnson, someone like Jason, say the same for example, is the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like not really why he's a actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get someone like a central intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Hart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go, they were good together, they were really good together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might not think so because Kevin Hart is usually very high energy, but he actually brought it down a lot to work with Drain Johnson, they kind of met in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were actually in central intelligence, they were actually like playing characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Drain Johnson was like a little bit of an awkward boy scout character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kevin Hart was a little bit more erasable and relaxed, and that's very underrated film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It works better than you think it's not to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something like central intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like Katherine Laga, I am this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it lungaia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on KSRW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We listened to interviews where she pronounced it herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, I'm lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good to know these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the plot of Moana, if you miss the original, if you don't know it, it is ancient Polynesia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a small village that is on a reef surrounded by coral reefs, and they never leave the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an island, and yeah, they do not leave the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside the island, there's a lot of danger, and everyone says, very comfortable being there, and they've achieved an equilibrium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't need to go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're feeling good,
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[SPEAKER_01]: A sort of a rot, a disease, an infection in the environment has started ruining the fish and ruining their crops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all going to die, and Moana, who is a young, the teenage daughter of the chief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: decides to go off on an adventure she's going to leave the island in an attempt to return a magical stone which is actually the heart of a god and this stone was stolen by a demigod named amally played by Dwayne Johnson and she's going to team up with him in order to bring it back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says he's a mighty warrior and a bit of a trickster god and she can use his skills and
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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to redeem himself because he's the one who stole it in the first place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of fuck that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not acknowledge that what he did was wrong because it wasn't doing that at first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They spent a lot of time on a catamaran.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She sails to an island where he's been imprisoned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You break off together and then it's a funny picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, Mr. Wencher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, they fight a lava monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, I really like the original Milana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the original Milana is a genuinely great modern Disney film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it holds together extremely well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The music, the Lin-Bad Mila Miranda isn't always on his A game when he does a Disney movie, but he was this, and in Canta, words like the two where he was really,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really motivated if I don't know if those really passionate about it, and I think all of the songs original moan are quite excellent And they're recreated here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a new song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does play over the closing credits I'm just glad they didn't shoehorn it in awkwardly like the Pelican rap in the little mermaid Remember that we're a scuddle the Pelican or the sea though Had a rap song about how to listen to the let me tell you about the scuddle but Yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't work, but here, it's, it's, I don't know, true, so it's over the 12th and 13th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The story is still kind of functional, but it's just, there's so many movies that have like troubled histories, like working with water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right like water world is the most notorious example where they filmed the entire the idea was it's the post-apocalypse the whole world is covered in water and people are on ships and floating cities and everyone's trying to find the last dry land on the planet which nobody knows where it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the entire floating city, sank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a building who's set every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it was really, really, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay gonna expense hotels as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the water is really costly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real fucking pain in the ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get that and I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, what you get in return is that it looks great, water world
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, titanic, titanic, even even like a small scale thriller, like dead calm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these are movies where it feels like you're on the water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you're on the ocean, the way the light dances off of the water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that there is no shade, it's completely sweaty and you feel like everything you can taste the salt in the air and the water feels real because the water
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[SPEAKER_01]: in Moana, I know there's some scenes in this which they clearly shot on some water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of this movie looks like it was on a raft in a tank and a soundstage against the green screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they even look like it was in a raft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like there was no water at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like they're on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of like slightly off balance kind of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are several scenes where Moana is thrown into the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the water is also alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ocean is like this living thing that obeys Moana, she has some sort of magical power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when she's thrown into the water, the water can sort of lift her up and put her back on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she is thrown in the water for comedic effect multiple times, the water rescues her and she's deposited back on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dry they put like some maybe oils in her hair to make it look kind of damp But I didn't get the sense that there was any kind of actual Sense of the natural world and any of this yeah, and this is the live action right exactly this is this should be the appeal is that we get to see like Here is what it would look like in real physical space you know and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like even when we're on locations that feel like they're very, very real, the island of Motonui is where she's from, you know, that's clearly an island somewhere, they clearly film that and yet there's this opening musical number where everyone in town sings and it's a good musical number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty standard, you know, introducing everyone to the narrative in the world and the backstory kind of thing, but it works and it just never looks like we're
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[SPEAKER_01]: behind-em-hotel somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It probably would be behind Alalani resort, which is the, oh, I would not be surprised, but it looks unremarkable, it looks fake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even in like shots, we're like a whole bunch of people are dancing, the movie doesn't pull back enough to show you the dancing, which is odd because the director, whose name is, what is it, Cade, Thomas Cade, I believe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Thomas Cade or Cale, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a failed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the pro-shock Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a theater guy and you would think as a theater director, he would be a little bit more keen to Stage the musical numbers in a more innovative way, but he does or at least there's a way that shows them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah How he gets to sing his number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That it a lot of you know CGI Filigree is all over the screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but when they're on the ocean, it's all animated They have an animated chicken sidekick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an animated game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get a real chicken
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, we have those it's easy enough to get a chicken, but no the animated the chicken to make it look more like it did in the original animated version Which makes you want my mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene that it comes out of nowhere, but at least there's a little bit more portent and pacing to introduce these characters, but these little
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coconut demons that sort of appear on this gigantic ship out of the mist and an attack, and this they appear out of nowhere than they vanish into nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just this big CGI mess of a sequence that comes out of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They go to fight a lava monster that's all CG.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ocean is CG.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crab monster, Tomatoa, voiced again by Jimaine Clement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's CG in a very CG environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the parts of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the parts in CG, like when they're fighting Tomatoa, that's a fun monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun local, lots of bioluminescence around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cool looking kind of thing in a vacuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it were past a little better or staged like a little, it's an extra sequence that's in the middle of a musical number and I wish it was one or the other and I'm both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing about this film functions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can look back over some of these other Disney live action remakes and try to sus out what they're trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of them are essentially trying to address modern criticism of older movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In, like you go online, you might find a number of essays about how beauty in the beast is about Stockholm's syndrome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to address that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they remade this movie so that angle isn't quite as sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you train your dragon?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not Disney, but the people always ask why do all the Vikings have Irish accents?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, it's got a Shaxense guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not on top of it today, but why do they all have not Norse accent, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they threw in, and it was basically a couple of lines of dialogue, because this island is like the earth's last defense against dragons who live in like towards the north, people send their like greatest warriors from everywhere in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that explains why
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did a whole movie for one line of that lock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I mean There's no other reason that movie is completely redundant otherwise Cinderella Kenneth Bronamade's Cinderella Actually one of the remakes I kind of like um because it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the issues is why would the prince and Cinderella fall in love?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They never met.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in this movie, they actually have some chemistry and some scenes before the big ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They organically include some extra characterization for the wicked stepmother, so you understand where she's coming from and yet she's still wicked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, they're a little bit more mercenary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They remade Aladdin because the original was about Persian characters, played by white actors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they decided to cast characters or actors a Persian to say, you're writing a wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was always wrong, and now it's a good time to do it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to do it, do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moana has no, it hasn't been in the public consciousness long enough to accrue that kind of intergenerational criticism, a new generation hasn't come up to re-litigate Moana and for this remake to address that criticism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, a lot of there's other movies, criticisms were right there at the beginning, but people weren't really giving a lot of, right there, let's remake Dumbo, but keep the racism out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People did complain about Aladdin when it came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just weren't given as much space in the periodicals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yes, no, and that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moana works as a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason to remake Moana other than money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason to go see the new Moana because it was so recent and because you're doing so little with it, that there's no appeal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, while though this is, I would say this is far from like the worst, Disney live action remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's certainly worse worst ones that have been come out of the beauty in the bases worse I think a lot of the changes that they made are extremely ill-advised and hurt the story even more than it already had been This one's like It's kind of baseline competent, which just makes it seem all the more pointless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't really try anything
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy everyone involved in this movie got paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm genuinely happy I'm looking up at this and like there's a story and I was trying to look it up and it got kind of overtaken by other similar stories that happened later but Michael Bay when he was making the Transformers movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and people, it's easy to forget now because the franchise collapsed, but those first like four were like billion dollar movies, they were nearly huge, and they were critically popular, but audiences flocked to them, they were very popular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, even Michael Bay, who was not considered a particularly thoughtful or artistically ambitious filmmaker, even he got tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after like the third one, he was ready to just set it aside and do something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to make a pain and gain his co-in brothers' esk crime comedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the story goes that someone at Paramount said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: quit making transformers movies because every time you make a transformers movie like thousands of people in this industry get work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like it's an industry or industry on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as long as they always kept making money, he kept kind of coming back to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And on one hand, I almost respect that because there's a certain, you know, I'm doing this to like make sure everyone has food on their table kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can respect that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't make them move even better, but I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some films even go so far and to show in their credit credits, how many people it employed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like at the end, I'll say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This movie will avoid 103,000 people or however, like a huge number of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, I'm glad just to show you the money, but like, this isn't a waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The money went somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And glad, I'm glad that that's here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not film criticism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that is capitalism sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad someone's making a living because most of us aren't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether somebody got paid or not, this movie sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am responsible for how the movie we're talking about, how the movie turned out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm responsible for how it hits me as an audience member.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whatever good came of the production, I'm happy for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's not great like a best it's mediocre but it's mediocrity is so pointless that it gets downgraded I think the bad yeah yeah so it's not it's not saying anything it's not doing anything all I can see is the cynicism all I can see is the the bland artistic lack of effort yeah and uh maybe the rocks ego
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, kind of power in this thing the fact that he wanted to play Maui again, maybe this was his response to well black Adam didn't do so well So I'm I'm going to give credit to two actors on this thing besides Dwayne Johnson who I think are genuinely like Like genuinely deserve credit one is Catherine Lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's you know, she's new and I think she's a very convincing star and I hope
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[SPEAKER_01]: that this movie underperforming doesn't prevent her from getting other chances because she's good and I would like to see her do a role that has less baggage with it and like let her make it her arm because that's got to think she can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also the one person who I honestly think is improving on the original.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grammar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rina Owen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: New Zealand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a filmmaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right for warriors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rina Owen from once more is an actor from New Zealand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She, no one told her this was a sellout picture, like no one told her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is giving 110% to a character who is in many respects basically dump in exposition at the beginning, but her relationship with the protagonist with
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She actually sells it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every time she's on screen, it feels like a real movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And good for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish all the actors had done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think some of them are doing what was asked of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there aren't that many actors in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a significant role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, Rina Owen just shows that like, you know, if everyone tried this hard, we could have had something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catherine Lungaio, Rina Owen, and to a lesser extent Dwayne Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think he's doing what the part needs, but it doesn't need that much from him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much in his wheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing their jobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dwayne Johnson's wig isn't doing its job, but Dwayne Johnson is doing his job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the other supporting actors, they don't have much to do, but they're doing their best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the filmmakers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the director, it's the screenwriters, they're not trying to make this something worth seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's deeply frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a weird relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a weird relationship to minions and monsters, specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know somebody involved?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the movie itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had a meaningful connection to anyone involved, I wouldn't be reviewing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the minions were introduced and then we'd be despicable me as the get this minions of a supervillain named grew and all of his little henchmen were these weird
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yellow banana guys who spoke gibberish, they got our two eyes and that original despicable me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had assumed that grew made those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He grew them in a lab to serve as his like, is it slight?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like little monsters, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got real Gremlin energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what are the Gremlins where mostly Gizmo?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But occasionally did
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were the breakout characters from that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People just love to see them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hard to be angry when you see a minion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of a fun little little uh uh anarchy monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the concept of the minions because there's something kind of subversive in their origin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We learned in the movie minions, which is just about the creatures that they if
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[SPEAKER_00]: evolved to their perfect state like in the Mesozoic era, they haven't evolved since, they're like sharks, and they exist to ensure that destruction and chaos and villainy persist in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is very weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's symbiotic species really where they provide support to whatever feels like sort of the alpha predator, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever is like the meanest thing out there and they're essentially supposed to help them and in exchange they are taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not good at their jobs and they always end up getting their overlord killed but then they go
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always hated that origin story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that origin story is an extremely bad idea because, and they finally, people finally fucking caught onto this recently, I might add.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I finally saw interviews with the makers of minions and monsters, where someone asked the question that I have been asking ever since the movie Minions introduced this idea of their origin story, which is, with the minions have followed Hitler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they addressed that in that first minions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they served Napoleon, and they killed Napoleon so badly that they decided to hide and cave until the 1960s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, again, doesn't solve them, that's why they're not around serving Hitler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, that's a terrible excuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's their excuse, but that's a terrible excuse, because you know what that excuse says?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they weren't in that cave, they would have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not a great thing for the fun protagonists of your kids movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is a very weird, and you add that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like this is some mythological canon you have to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You made that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They served villains and in the first despicable me, they served villains who were from like James Bond movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of cartoonish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're also serving Napoleon, how many French people, how many Russians have they murdered?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think they brought it a lot of people over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they served Dracula, did they capture young brides and feed them to him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been called a question, that's people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, tons of horrible things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's a great premise for their backstory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It raises a lot of shitty questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want to bother for a cartoon comedy, which you would have seen in Anomaniacs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, I'm just saying that in Anomaniacs, they would have been the villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would have been funny useless villains when they went in the villains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have, no, I think the minions would have, like, you can picture Jaco Waco and Dot, saying, hey, Dracula, we want to get a job with you, and they just sort of like, prod at them and make fun of them throughout the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they wouldn't be doing it because he's evil and killed people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they would be doing it because there's something kind of fun and subversive about the minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the minions are doing it because they're evil and kill people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a weird relationship with the minions where I find them cute and charming and I do not trust them at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna want to meet them, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, I think they are genuinely terrible people by definition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a weird choice that they made and so I'm often kind of, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of far afield of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find a little bit strange is that the minions have become just sort of this marketing bananas and their products now, that any of that subversion has gone away because the minions are essentially just children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're distracted by bananas and nachos and hopscotch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can maybe take a little bit of comfort in the facts that even though they are driven to serve wicked people They repeatedly murder those people so evolutionarily speaking maybe their function is to rid the world of evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay If they served Hitler like that, they would have pushed Hitler downstairs by accident and said oops and moved on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that interpretation that they are serving kind of a Darwinian Yeah, like in order to kind of balance that you have you have to go through You have to defeat your own minions in order to succeed as a villain I feel like the despicable meme movie specifically those movies not the minions spin off
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first movie in particular is a story about a bad guy who becomes a good guy because he gets to death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the end of adopting children for a sneaky scheme, but then he ends up actually loving them and becoming a good dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he and both, and all of his henchmen minions and his like mad scientist friend, whatever, they kind of go along with that and they gradually become better people over the course of those movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like that was sort of like the minions' redemption arc and then we have to go back in time and see them trying to be wicked again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: weird stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the new one, Minions and Monsters, is a little different because, again, movies are historical pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them are historical pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This one in particular,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you made the point that in minions they specifically said the minions were like hiding in a cave until like 1960, not these minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a totally different group of minions that were around that whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have served Kaiser Wilhelm in this universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This takes place in specifically in between May and August of 1929, because they mentioned the Oscars were already a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the first Oscar ceremony was held in May of 1929, but it was before the crash of that same year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're done a very narrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like a, this movie, or I guess that was an October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a five month period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When this movie took place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we see them in ancient Greece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's urban polyphemous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who we will see again soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Cyclops from the Odyssey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'll be back in minions and monsters as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played by Bill Irwin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then in the name movie, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something we can also not not in minions and monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to bring it back around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to anime nex this movie feels like an anime nex episode it's it's riffing more than it is telling a story because there's a lot of just random shit in this movie and there's a lot of references kids will not get there's a lot yeah a lot of adult references that are kind of out of a Warner Brothers cartoon and it's all told by an unreliable narrator played by Alison Janney she's taking people on a tour of a film museum there's all these kind of a fun artifacts in the museum George Blucus is one of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she says, oh, and it turns out the minions specifically these ones are responsible for pioneering a lot of important elements of film history and of course No one in the tour group knows that as you said no one ever told you how the minions were the most important things in the history of cinema
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, they show the women getting off of work, the old like Lumiere Brothers shorts, the train arriving at the station, the man on the horse, but there's minions in the background of all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They show George Milliers a trip to the moon and there's minions on screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a part of film history this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Except none of those happened because we find out canonically that the minions didn't join the film industry until 1929.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or but or did that but it but it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't care about this So like so the main gist is the minions were looking for a new bad guy while they're on their travels Travels looking for a new bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They see like a stage coach robbery or train robbery
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they see like the cool cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, evil cowboy, we're in a black hat and they say, oh, that must be our new guy and they run after the guy and they're trying to help him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know what the hell is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's scared of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turns into a huge, huge chase sequence in which they also rush by and knock over the house that nearly fell on Buster Keaton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's slipped through one of the windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They knocked Charlie Chaplin into the machine from modern times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally the wrong year for that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But whatever,
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and it all turns out to be uh... a silent movie that they just stood for the real thing yeah the director is very very concerned that they were on their shot but the producers think the minions are very funny so they say higher those minions the director is played by uh... cristal vaults they should have just made him fawns throw high and that would have been fun i guess and
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[SPEAKER_01]: they also play the Warner Brothers, but they're not the Warner Brothers, whatever it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they hired the minions, the minions briefly become huge silent comedy stars, and then synchronized sound comes along and people finally realize the minions can't talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So their career's collapse, which is a real thing that happened, the legends of that happening are a little overstated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as universal a phenomenon as you might have thought, but certainly something like singing in the rain, popularized this idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That a lot of silent movie stars had really weird voices, and they couldn't make the transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not as true as people like to think it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the minions decide they're going to go independent and make their own movie in order to get themselves back into the industry because they kind of got used to living a life of luxury and like living out basically the movie Babylon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a way of making Fabeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then that's the first half of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the second half is they're gonna make a really big monster movie, like King Kong or Godzilla, but they used to work for a real sorcerer and they stole his Necronomicon and they raised Kathulu and Kathulu is a little guy played by Tray Parker and Tray Parker is gonna help him like raise other monsters and of course those monsters actually attack things in the second half of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have enough material for the inside Hollywood bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we tacked on the minions Halloween movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We probably had in the way developed and they don't fit great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't fit great, but again, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels a lot like if you remember those like Futurama movies, then they released those in four parts, it's like four different episodes, and then just released them all together, and they felt like really kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Disjoyed it as a real episode kind of felt like it's own thing even though it was kind of telling the one story Yeah, again, but I'm okay with that especially if you're so gag-heavy and especially with something so lightweight and strange as the minions There's an entire episode in this movie which is paying homage to science fiction movies of the 1950s And they run into a robot named Dort who you think is this guy, I believe I just see Eisenberg You think it's a guy at a suit at first
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's just a real robot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from outer space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he accidentally falls in love with someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like a deep plot in this huge thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has nothing to do with anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's not responsible for the monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not part of the Catholic plot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just sort of, yeah, he ties in somehow at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He shows up, but he gets to do something at the end, and the minions briefly think he might be their new their new leader, but he's not enough of a villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He acts like in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps threatening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take over the rules, but then he falls in love with a suffrage act, which is kind of adorable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just kind of cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the timeline for this is all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing with this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not, I have no animosity towards this movie, and you're done in like 85 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I know that I would hesitate to call it tightly constructed because I think the script is a mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not tight at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, but it's brief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a short jaunt at the movie theater with that is packed full of gags, and I can appreciate, and I can respect that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other worse minions movies that made me laugh more, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I respect a lot of the jokes in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed at almost none of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that high-speed chase at the beginning is pretty inspired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even then, I feel like I'm mostly preaching it as a film critic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason this particular minion's movie got like better critic reviews than any other minion's movie has a lot to do with the fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The silent film references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is full of nerd shit just for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw this, you know, they have press screenings for these things, but I missed mine and so I ended up seeing it opening day with a regular mainstream audience, no critics except for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and basically, I, I walk up to the movie theater and, you know, you get your ticket or you have it on your phone and you just want waiting to like walk up, show your thing to the person at the front, go get your seat and cut sometimes there's some people ahead of you and you're waiting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is probably a lowball estimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're there together to see the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hit great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they get to go see a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they're excited to go see a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting very impatiently for some points to get through each other tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, to the movie theater, surrounded by all these families and their kids, and I watched the movie and for most of this movie, you could hear a fucking pin drop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not feeling it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The children were not laughing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something is off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel as though there's a certain sort of geeky fascination with itself that this movie has and it is taken over the chaos where the chaotic wildness, weirdness, the absolute bonkers duck and muck, looney tune, energy, that the previous movie's had feels comparatively reserved in this one and I feel like that is
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[SPEAKER_01]: not as electrifying as a piece of entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this one's actually stronger than the previous minion's movies, because it has more chaos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it actually is completely unhinged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a sentimental aspect to the previous Minions movies where they're trying to learn some kind of moral lesson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one they dispensed with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no movie at the core of this movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a bunch of wacky stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that better than trying to use these
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[SPEAKER_00]: chaotic marketing goblins as a means to try to tell us some kind of message about the strength of family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The despicable meme movies don't hit with me because of those kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care that grew as a good dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care that he is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think despicable me lost its way after the second one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the second one was pushing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like there was nowhere to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With despicable meme afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I like what actually was when they teased in one of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Young-group with these guys and they did have a young-group movie with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the rise of growth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah Yeah, that felt like where we live because grew is still kind of a little asshole and the minions are still supporting him for that reason They haven't learned to love yet
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[SPEAKER_00]: that feels like you can keep the franchise going with the adventures of young grew in the mids and because it's young grew as well kids can relate to many and maybe a little calvin and Hobbs time and and they've been doing the looney tunes thing the first minions was all these 1960s references uh rise of blue was all these 1970s references rather than do the 80s things which is played out they said why don't we just do the 1920s and do this weird sort of wacky thing with all these references to 1920s movies and yeah it reminds me of stuff like Hollywood steps out from the Warner Brothers
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no lesson for these people to these things to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know they don't evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's okay for them to just get into a big wacky monsters adventure, which is being told by somebody who is probably making it all up on the spot anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then there are several museum dosen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listen, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think...
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the chaos you're describing, it feels to me like you're saying that because the previous one's had something of a moral compass that that made them pop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gives me something a bit more of like a conventional structure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I feel like there replaced them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that this is like a despicable movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does have a tart in the right place, but despicable movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they've replaced the idea that this has to come to some kind of moral lesson conclusion
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[SPEAKER_01]: movie references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm the target demo for just movie references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I am discovering is that if your movie is too much like Babylon, you fucking lose me because I didn't have a lot of lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I get the sense of a certain amount of smug self-indulgence from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, is it bad?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, and in many respects, I can appreciate that this is somewhat better made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is somewhat, uh, uh, more mature as a production than a lot of the other minions movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell you the plot of at least one of the minions movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't tell you which one because I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've seen them all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was still funnier than this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember laughing at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it remember what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened was irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't laugh very much at this and I can't and I've been trying to explain why, but I think I've kind of hit a wall on it I think all you really need to say is I didn't laugh, it's not funny Well, no, because then I'm a shit critic, aren't I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to try to explain this for some reason why, like all we're doing really is describing our taste But we have to be articulate about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to explain why we have this taste
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[SPEAKER_01]: why our taste formed the way it did, so that if you like the movie and we didn't, you can only see where we came from or vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like saying it's just not funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I do have to explain why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at some point, you run into that thing where you're over thinking it, I just think thinking it through to a reasonable extent becomes
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[SPEAKER_01]: annoyingly academic when it comes to silly comedy because we appreciate it on such a guttural level that thinking it out isn't fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on because we are doing a very different kind of chaos grand-one movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new evil dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We!
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a new evil dad, isn't there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we had the three Sam-Rammy movies from 81 to 92, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first evil dead movie was done by Sam-Rammy Bruce Campbell and a couple of their friends in a cabin on the woods with
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[SPEAKER_01]: a whole lot of blood, a whole lot of moxie and oh money, what's a lot of it's a absolute just little miracle of indie filmmaking and it is extremely exuberant, it shows a ton of promise and talent
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sometimes way too mean-spirited for its own good and even Sam Raimi said he went too far sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I love about that first Evil Dead movie is that it's not so much about people surviving demon attacks in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bunch of actors surviving Sam Raimi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the villain of that piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all the only Evil Dead movies, the first, the Sam Raimi ones are Duck a Muck, the bring it up again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're Daffy Duck is trying to survive his own animator and Sam Raimi is just
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[SPEAKER_01]: he's the devil and he's sending his monsters out and sometimes the camera is the monster he literally physically attacks his aggers with the camera yeah and and the first one it's a horror movie and the second one it's a horror comedy because it's still a slapstick because it's still terrible and it's still scary and there's still a lot of shocks but the movie is letting you in on that joke more
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then army of darkness it's become a comedy yes it's got skeletons it's barely a horror comedy it's mostly a comedy yeah and i feel like at that point the reason why that movie feels like such a satisfying conclusion is because the protagonist played by Bruce Campbell went from being the victim
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the animator to being a cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just embracing his cartoonist and being a part of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stretched and turned into a cartoon guy by the third movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking of sort of Bruce Campbell getting a bunch of rubber skeletons thrown at him from off camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: him doing like kung-fu moves on pit monsters and that's how ridiculous and cartoony it is and a comparing it to evil dead burn yeah I'm thinking what the fuck has happened here because in 2013 they kind of restarted this series these three new movies aren't that closely connected
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some common common ground between them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all have the economic on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all about the book of the dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone reads from it and they raise these demonic beings that possess people's bodies, mutilate their bodies, try to drive people insane and kill them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's their only motivation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When, in order to the comedy development of the franchise, went back to the mean parts of the first one and said, what if we did that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if we just made it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to keep all of the Daredevil camera moves and the excitement and exuberance, but we're going to double down on just how scary it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I write that remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that remake is effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the credits, they called, and they were of the 1981 film,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Raimi described his own movie as the ultimate experience in grueling horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the remake is trying to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the moxie that it takes to call your own movie that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The remake decided to roll in that direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ultimate experience in grueling horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least it's an intake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The movie isn't great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The characterization is very thin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of just...
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[SPEAKER_00]: really awesome totally gore like people by sacked in their tongs with utility knives and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, you're missing one part of it though, which is that in the original evil dad, why did they go to a cabin in the woods?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're, they're running at least a small pot and have sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make that, they added a little bit more motivation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, somebody who's trying to get clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of drugs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to a bunch of her friends are joining her in this really isolated place so that she can't get drugs from anywhere and they're going to stay with her the entire time while she detoxes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is, but then she's possessed, and now they can't be sure if she's, yeah, it's Esther if she's detox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is an interesting, I think that's an effective metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's overly melodramatic, I've heard it accused of that, but I think ultimately what we're talking about is, here is someone who is not in control of themselves, who feels compelled to do things that are damaging to themselves and damaging to others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna literalize that with a supernatural force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, premise, okay, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The follow-up, you've dead rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the end, somebody's getting chainsawed in the face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fine, honestly, well, it literally rains blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Evil Dead Rise, I need to revisit Evil Dead Rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a great experience watching Evil Dead Rise and it wasn't the movie's fault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Evil Dead Rise was still in that vein, where it is extremely punishing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is about a family who's living in an apartment complex that's about to get torn down and they're trying to stay together but their single mom is at the end of a rope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they find a recording of someone's reading the book of the dead and then mom is possessed by
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[SPEAKER_00]: Satan, monster, David, tries to kill her whole family and does a pretty damn good job of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And self-mutilation is a big theme in these movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're possessed by the evil dead, you're driven to, you're dead, you're a demon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, and now you're, you have access to all of the memories, I guess, of the person you possess, so they can sort of bring up things that are really painful to, uh, potential victims while they're slicing themselves up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's the theme that they sort of lean hardest in with Evil Dead Burn, this new film, which is, uh, really extreme, very, uh, poorly lit, at least there wasn't my screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a surprisingly dim movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it definitely could have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But uh, beefed up a little bit like- But I was kind of startled at just how fucking depressing the movie is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's grim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about domestic abuse and the cycles of abuse and how the demons in this one are leaning into how horrible that makes you feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so the basic setup here is that there's a woman she's married, he's a young woman, she's married to a young man and he is abusive to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He dies in a car crash,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he dies running over a deadite, which is what they call the demons in these movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a funeral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: his corpse still has the dead eye in it and it's in fact his own father and the entire family goes back to not a cabin in the woods but a house in the woods it's kind of rotting from within it hasn't been taken care of and since symbol for the domestic turmoil there in yeah and the idea is that before the the demon started attacking people and possessing people this this family was already going to hell yeah like not just like the the patriarch the dad
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[SPEAKER_01]: is clearly an abusive person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The mother has been trying you get the impression to keep it all together, but all she's really been doing is enabling and overlooking that abuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It led to a pattern in which their eldest son became abusive towards his wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one who just died and their youngest son
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[SPEAKER_01]: seems like a better person but over the course of the movie you realize he was probably well on his way to becoming a piece of shit as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone in this movie is either an abuser or a victim and a lot of the victims have been pushed so hard by the terrible situation that they're in that they're causing harm to others as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a vicious fucking movie before the monitor show up and unlike all the other evil dead movies, all of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the characters and other evil dead movies were jerks, but for the most part, all of those characters were just Rando's who happened to wander into a world of supernatural violence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This feels like Karmic justice happening to a lot of these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a meanness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their own evil is the thing that's in attracting the evil dead and they are possessed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They become demons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of incredible camera work in this, a couple of shots where like I was mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't pause it and go back and see how they did that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one terror gag that genuinely impressed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, whoa, it's a whole long elaborate shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the camera like pulls through a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you realize you were watching the entire thing in a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're watching it in 1v7.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Impressive like it pressively realized and a lot of the gore is very cool There's one bit which I haven't you know, you see a lot of gory movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see a lot of horror movie See a lot of people dead, but if you've seen it all before There's one bit I hadn't seen before which is there's a scene where someone is trapped in a chimney with a power saw
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I come and down at them from the chimney?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, ah fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cut to a shot of the fireplace below and guess what you got to see come through the fireplace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool cool cool Something very creative is done with the car headrest
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you are averse to violence to animals, you have to be one of some violence to animals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beware, yeah, that's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really, it's really brutal, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the whole movie is brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, that's my, kind of, my issue is the script is pointing to something a little wackier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene in the movie where somebody makes out with one of the corpses, and their reaction is you haven't kissed me like that in years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's a Looney Tunes moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a comedy moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about Looney Tunes, but it's certainly darkly humor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the movie is so not humorous in its tone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so dull and so bleak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That these scenes feel like a little bit mismatched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The script doesn't match what the filmmaker is doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like the script has a little bit more in common with something like data live, which was also about a terrible, you know, the most likely there's another other, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she is zombified, and her poor, uh, long-suffering sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought maybe in her death he would at least be free and then he could at least move on with his life And now it's so much worse back and he has to protect and he has to like protect her from people who find out that she's eating people And it all ends in like an incredible lawnmower scene, but like that's one that balances But that's a that's a cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a super boring, but it's a humor.
01:00:24.964 --> 01:00:29.907
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an emotional reality to it But it's so heightened that you can use it to mine it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can mine it for humor And I get not wanting to do that again
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, this movie is weirdly a verse to the silliness of some of its own gore.
01:00:43.617 --> 01:00:48.181
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's committed to making it oppressive, and I think it does, I think it succeeds in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was the best choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that the filmmaker is named a Sebastian Vanachack, he did a movie a couple years ago called Infestate, which is really good, Infestate was really good, Infestate is a movie about people living in a building project in France who are neglected by their landlords and to suffer this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: giant spider invasion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah one of the one of the guys in the in the building is trying to like you know collect uh uh rare animals, lizards, insects, stuff like that, essentially maybe get himself out of this start his own like zoo or something uh and he ends up importing uh a very rare, extremely fucked-up spider that much in the vein of a rack nephobia starts breeding out of control but not only are there like millions of spiders in the house they're starting to get like the size of house cats like
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[SPEAKER_01]: really fucking big in a way that actually doesn't make any sense, but really works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but there's some interesting themes to that one because it is about the poverty, it is about the community, it ends the, and how people don't give a shit about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're all dying and everyone's just like, we'll just leave them in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you pointed this out to me, the original French title of infested was actually Verman, yeah, which was has a double meaning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Infested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of where the government is much more on the nose, where on one hand we're talking about an insect problem, on the other hand, we're talking about the way that people with money or the very least comfort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: look at people who are poor and see them as a problem to be dealt with and not human being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a real sense of anger in vermin that feels at slash infested which feels very justified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's just anger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's anger and it's depression and anger and it's abuse and the movie kind of argues that's and that's just the way the world clicks together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're trying to do some funny things with like a clueless grandma, but it doesn't play well because there's this really Like this is something like a horror scene that Michael Hannicky would have come up with where the dad is outside with a gun in his hand and just is repeatedly shooting himself Yeah, and like it's not
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to play that for laughs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like bleak laughs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What will he look at people dead too?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had to like chop up his own girlfriend because she was trying to kill him because he was infected by a monster and he couldn't help her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she rolls out of her grave and all of her pieces assemble and dance and mock him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not dissimilar to what's happening in this scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sebastian Vanichek really plays it like every gunshot is doing what a gunshot would do Yeah, there's no distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no I mean guys sees a lie that shouldn't that doesn't make sense But there's like there's no exaggerations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like that kind of palpable silly absurdity Sorry, not palpable palatable palatable palatable Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and here's the thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about something they clearly did intentionally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The filmmaker, even if he was somewhat at odds with the screenplay, the filmmakers clearly trying to make a very brutal fucked up evil dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, especially since the remake, that's a take on evil dead that feels, whether or not you like it, at the very least, is valid and there's precedent for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think of all the evil dead movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that feels the most evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that is the easily the most sinister in that Marcus Nyspull, Texas, Chainsaw, massacre remake kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's an audience for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are people who want really fucked up horror movies with a lot of despair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite my thing, but I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think on that level, this movie is pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boys at fucking vicious and I think people should at least be aware of that going in if you're expect even evil dead rise was funny compared to this and evil that rise is not that funny it just understands sometimes like there's that gag and evil dead rise where they've locked to the mom out of the apartment and they're looking through like the spiral people and they just see her like running off camera killing people and running back through again and they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a humor to that, they understand that this is in some way funny, and there's almost no humor to this one, which does feel oppressive, but is their point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they're wrong.
01:05:11.395 --> 01:05:15.979
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're arguing that familial abuse is terrible and terrifying.
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:16.299
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:17.200
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong.
01:05:17.220 --> 01:05:19.542
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot.
01:05:19.742 --> 01:05:21.744
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, it's very effective.
01:05:21.764 --> 01:05:23.806
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the gore.
01:05:23.846 --> 01:05:25.367
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the gore is really gnarly.
01:05:25.507 --> 01:05:35.635
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just sort of innovative in a way that I think a lot of movies kind of shy away from maybe something about the script's prevents it from being a little,
01:05:36.756 --> 01:06:03.015
[SPEAKER_00]: Too much like the nihilistic horror movies that we got in like the mid-2000s, which is this movie's most reminiscent of Yeah, the torture porn that you imagine that the remake of Texas chain saw like that that was from that era Absolutely it's a piece this is a throwback to that era of horror filmmaking You've heard of nostalgic for that Where everything is just fucking bleak all the time and the world is gonna ends then this one will fit you I mean, I can understand feeling like that connects right now.
01:06:03.075 --> 01:06:03.595
[SPEAKER_01]: I really can
01:06:03.755 --> 01:06:05.256
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like a good, bleak movie.
01:06:05.536 --> 01:06:09.759
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I need to sit with this one a little bit though, because I left the movie just completely bummed out.
01:06:09.879 --> 01:06:10.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is not what I expected from an evil dead picture.
01:06:13.741 --> 01:06:15.602
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, remember Army of Darkness?
01:06:15.783 --> 01:06:17.243
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:17.263 --> 01:06:30.372
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's a trick though, because when you go in having any expectation and the movie intentionally does something different, whether they're simply trying to defy expectation or whether your expectation was not on their mind and they're just trying to make their movie.
01:06:30.592 --> 01:06:30.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:32.386 --> 01:06:38.032
[SPEAKER_01]: You are, whether you realize it or not, or whether you're trying to or not, comparing it to the movie you had in your head.
01:06:39.013 --> 01:06:42.117
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you had your idea of what an evil dead movie was not this.
01:06:42.885 --> 01:06:46.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that it is called evil dead, at least set up my expectations.
01:06:46.768 --> 01:06:47.228
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong.
01:06:47.248 --> 01:07:00.337
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that you're being unreasonable, but if the movie doesn't operate that way, sometimes our first impression of it can be a little different than maybe our second impression once we know exactly what we're getting into.
01:07:01.218 --> 01:07:05.581
[SPEAKER_01]: And can judge it entirely on that level and not based on our sense of surprise.
01:07:07.077 --> 01:07:08.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it holds up better.
01:07:08.738 --> 01:07:09.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it holds up worse.
01:07:09.938 --> 01:07:11.519
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's like, well, at least there was an novelty.
01:07:11.539 --> 01:07:13.260
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, you look at again and I'm like, oh, no.
01:07:13.780 --> 01:07:16.281
[SPEAKER_01]: The novelty wore a fucking fast.
01:07:16.381 --> 01:07:22.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was way too fucking kind to the CGI remake of the Lion King.
01:07:22.843 --> 01:07:25.565
[SPEAKER_01]: When I first came up, I gave it like, it was like, you know what?
01:07:25.585 --> 01:07:29.746
[SPEAKER_01]: The photorealism is a bit of a novelty and I kind of gave it like a pass.
01:07:29.806 --> 01:07:33.528
[SPEAKER_01]: But on the rotten tomato scale, I think my review was still technically fresh.
01:07:34.495 --> 01:07:34.855
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:07:35.456 --> 01:07:49.609
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had reviewed it like two weeks later, I would have given it a flat-out negative because all of that animation after you've given it a couple of days to like think about like, oh yeah, that animation was novel.
01:07:49.869 --> 01:07:54.073
[SPEAKER_01]: It told the story very badly, but I was taking it back by it at first.
01:07:55.815 --> 01:08:01.720
[SPEAKER_01]: That can be a whole thing, but yeah, all right, that being something revisited at some point I actually really need to revisit Evil Dead Rise.
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.663
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch that under ideal condition sometime Because I feel like I should like that movie more than I do.
01:08:07.004 --> 01:08:20.414
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay Anyway moving on we've got a few movies that only one of us saw okay, even divide this time We've got to let's do a huge about face and why don't you tell me about gale do tree okay the celebrity sex tape
01:08:21.114 --> 01:08:21.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Sex pass.
01:08:22.354 --> 01:08:22.654
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
01:08:22.674 --> 01:08:23.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's pass.
01:08:23.315 --> 01:08:23.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity sex.
01:08:24.035 --> 01:08:24.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's it's called.
01:08:24.895 --> 01:08:26.895
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just mean that reading my own handwriting.
01:08:27.056 --> 01:08:28.076
[SPEAKER_01]: That's That's what I mean.
01:08:28.256 --> 01:08:29.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Sex tape would be the sequel.
01:08:29.596 --> 01:08:30.336
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
01:08:30.356 --> 01:08:31.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity sex tape.
01:08:31.237 --> 01:08:31.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:31.657 --> 01:08:34.477
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Zoe Deutsch plays Gail Dotrace.
01:08:34.537 --> 01:08:45.220
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a hairdresser from Kansas and she's about to get married and everything is peachy keen a square to a fault.
01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:45.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:08:45.980 --> 01:09:05.798
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this was uh... written and directed by the members of the state uh... most of the members of the state are in it uh... it was uh... written and directed by uh... can marina and david wane and directed by david wane yeah the the what how to america and some are team um... tomlin and carry kennie uh... can marina ogia literally all of these people are in it and they're very funny people
01:09:06.147 --> 01:09:24.385
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah oh yeah the the state is is fantastic um they did what i'm american summer and that's one of the funniest movies ever i think it's one of the funniest movies ever i love them this time around they're doing uh kind of slapstick sex driven riff uh it didn't you realize pretty early on that this is a riff on the wizard of awesome
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:32.363
[SPEAKER_00]: Gail do-tree if you cut up to her head is kind of like Dorothy Garyl, her best friend is auto, which is a banana grum with toto.
01:09:32.844 --> 01:09:33.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:09:33.964 --> 01:09:42.508
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's about to be married and she's such a, she's like Ned Flanders, she's like squared to the point where she doesn't even understand what vices are.
01:09:42.848 --> 01:09:44.849
[SPEAKER_00]: She's never left her small cans in town.
01:09:45.710 --> 01:09:53.013
[SPEAKER_00]: But she does, has, did one, once have a conversation with her fiance about the celebrity, the phenomenon of the celebrity sex path.
01:09:53.333 --> 01:09:55.415
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
01:09:55.575 --> 01:10:00.899
[SPEAKER_00]: If fidelity is expected, you can break that fidelity for one specific celebrity.
01:10:01.019 --> 01:10:09.186
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a situation that is so unlikely to come up, but if it came up, you couldn't in good conscience deny your partner, even in monogamous relationship.
01:10:09.626 --> 01:10:12.809
[SPEAKER_01]: The opportunity to have sex with their biggest celebrity crush.
01:10:13.049 --> 01:10:13.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:13.589 --> 01:10:16.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, personally, my take on the celebrity sex passes this.
01:10:17.747 --> 01:10:24.791
[SPEAKER_01]: If a celebrity wants to have sex with you, and you want to have sex with them, that's the past.
01:10:24.931 --> 01:10:25.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:25.371 --> 01:10:30.573
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few people who are like, I don't have sex with them, but like, I don't think you probably would if I'm dating you.
01:10:30.593 --> 01:10:35.836
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you would be like, like, ooh, this creepy canceled guy, like, no, I don't think you would go for it.
01:10:35.856 --> 01:10:37.877
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you,
01:10:38.237 --> 01:10:57.299
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, if I was dating someone and they were like and they have a huge crash on Keanu Reeves And if that ever came up, they'd like to fuck Keanu Reeves I'd be like great and maybe you don't have a crush on Ben Affleck Ben Affleck If that comes up, I'm not gonna deny you that story.
01:10:57.459 --> 01:10:57.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
01:10:58.410 --> 01:11:09.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it and it can go like way down the list like you're the guy who like team third on your favorite reality show Still marvel I'm not gonna get in your way.
01:11:09.278 --> 01:11:10.900
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna be the guy told you not to do that.
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.622
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my take on Get one.
01:11:13.642 --> 01:11:18.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, so they they come up with a list or top five, maybe, but in this movie they have one
01:11:19.286 --> 01:11:20.027
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:11:20.447 --> 01:11:24.210
[SPEAKER_00]: His was Tilda Swinton until he met Jennifer Aniston.
01:11:24.650 --> 01:11:24.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
01:11:24.790 --> 01:11:26.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Jennifer Aniston plays herself in the movie.
01:11:26.391 --> 01:11:28.613
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, not that she's my new celebrity crush.
01:11:29.013 --> 01:11:31.295
[SPEAKER_00]: And he immediately goes and has sex with Jennifer Aniston.
01:11:33.895 --> 01:11:35.477
[SPEAKER_00]: She's in this small cans and towns.
01:11:35.637 --> 01:11:36.758
[SPEAKER_01]: I think are really horrible.
01:11:37.138 --> 01:11:46.028
[SPEAKER_01]: I got really excited thinking it was still the Swinton for real I would have been great too I honestly I mean Jennifer Anderson as game as well.
01:11:46.068 --> 01:11:49.612
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love that it was till the Swinton initially because honestly, yeah
01:11:50.673 --> 01:12:02.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and of course, Gale is a little bit distraught over this like well, I didn't think you'd do it like right away It's something you really don't think it's likely to come up and he's completely But you did give me permission.
01:12:02.322 --> 01:12:03.142
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay, right?
01:12:03.162 --> 01:12:15.652
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're still gonna get married and I'm gonna keep on planning the wedding He's like, well, you know, in order to make this right I have to sleep with my celebrity crush who is John Hamm Hmm, so she says I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to LA with my hairdresser friend.
01:12:15.672 --> 01:12:16.492
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a convention there
01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:20.462
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to meet Tom Lenin, who is a place another hairdresser.
01:12:21.622 --> 01:12:24.624
[SPEAKER_00]: But really what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to the Emerald City.
01:12:24.684 --> 01:12:27.205
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Hollywood, and I'm going to meet the wizard.
01:12:27.225 --> 01:12:28.006
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean John Hamm.
01:12:29.207 --> 01:12:32.248
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, along the way, they accumulate a few other helpers.
01:12:32.268 --> 01:12:33.149
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to CAA.
01:12:36.494 --> 01:12:44.862
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, which is a talent agency here in Hollywood they film on the streets of Hollywood in What looks like gorilla style?
01:12:44.982 --> 01:12:46.443
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is such a cheap movie.
01:12:46.483 --> 01:12:53.790
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really shabby I'm guessing they shot without permits in the alleyways behind the CAA building I'm so excited to shoot an LA right now.
01:12:53.810 --> 01:12:54.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame them at all.
01:12:54.791 --> 01:12:55.272
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
01:12:56.292 --> 01:13:02.076
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and that's where they accumulate, um, uh, it's the actor has been weighing from the new karate kid.
01:13:02.256 --> 01:13:02.436
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:03.157 --> 01:13:09.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he's placed like an intern at CAA and he's like, oh, and he acts a little bit too confident.
01:13:10.061 --> 01:13:12.343
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not really too smart if he only had a brain.
01:13:13.263 --> 01:13:17.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they find, uh, they shot him going to fuck all of these people and solve their problems.
01:13:17.546 --> 01:13:18.347
[SPEAKER_00]: No, just killed all three.
01:13:18.387 --> 01:13:18.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:13:21.165 --> 01:13:23.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the goal is just for Gail to sleep with Johnny.
01:13:23.366 --> 01:13:26.588
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're looking for a brand like something John Hamster be able to provide.
01:13:26.608 --> 01:13:26.968
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:13:28.049 --> 01:13:28.409
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on.
01:13:29.329 --> 01:13:34.672
[SPEAKER_00]: They run and they decide to go to John Hamster House, but it's been sold to a celebrity.
01:13:34.732 --> 01:13:35.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity cameo.
01:13:35.532 --> 01:13:36.653
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna celebrity cameo.
01:13:37.273 --> 01:13:38.074
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil it.
01:13:38.194 --> 01:13:38.734
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird now.
01:13:41.295 --> 01:14:07.591
[SPEAKER_00]: could get that's now that's a celebrity sex crisis totally totally go for it and weird all gets to like total machine gun and shoot at that uh and they meet a paparatu is trying to get a shot of weird all that's can marina and he's a part of his heart yeah all of his no way of a heart like well you know what we need to go to somebody that who knows john ham so they go to actor john slattery who's playing himself a co-star uh john john ham's co-star on the tv series madman and he's an notorious coward
01:14:08.211 --> 01:14:25.022
[SPEAKER_00]: and well he's when they meet him he's like living in this dingy dumpy apartment punching a punching bag he's like I'm gonna kick your asses and they slap him in the nose like oh it's don't hit me I'm really a coward he joins john fodder playing himself is cowardly version of him so it's going to be funny
01:14:25.402 --> 01:14:41.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Jola Trulio and this other thug are on their case because they've actually switched some brief cases and the wicked witch of the West is this Italian mob lady who wants to kill them and she's actually has a plot, so she's the kind of the wicked witch in Jola Trulio is like the wing and monkey character.
01:14:42.554 --> 01:14:46.118
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some fun bits like they're they're looking through we found it We found her on the dark web.
01:14:46.138 --> 01:14:52.626
[SPEAKER_00]: We found some of her pictures and she's just posting Instagram of like her Hollywood vacation Yeah, and she's in front of the Chinese theater.
01:14:52.666 --> 01:14:53.747
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like there she is.
01:14:54.048 --> 01:14:57.512
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an Asia like that kind of okay Very silly stuff
01:15:00.315 --> 01:15:09.063
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, some things that are really kind of rippled, but they're treating like they aren't, that's uh, uh, what, how to American summer type humor, like uh, you should go behind this building.
01:15:09.403 --> 01:15:10.004
[SPEAKER_00]: What's back there?
01:15:10.024 --> 01:15:12.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's some really great coffee over this place.
01:15:12.426 --> 01:15:13.407
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Starbucks.
01:15:13.667 --> 01:15:17.351
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want a back alley blow job, you go behind this building.
01:15:17.451 --> 01:15:18.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that sounds great.
01:15:19.072 --> 01:15:19.993
[SPEAKER_00]: You want one of those?
01:15:20.373 --> 01:15:20.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:15:20.974 --> 01:15:21.755
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get Starbucks.
01:15:22.215 --> 01:15:29.153
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and they go to Starbucks and they also like, oh, look at those nice one of them gets it back And what's up, okay, I'm never supporting a little sex workers.
01:15:29.393 --> 01:15:30.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, it's okay
01:15:31.423 --> 01:15:32.884
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very silly movie.
01:15:32.904 --> 01:15:35.286
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds it, and it's a very dumb movie.
01:15:35.366 --> 01:15:36.887
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fitfully funny.
01:15:36.907 --> 01:15:48.255
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about it's too low budget and by the seat of its pants to sort of get the building level of chaos that it wants, it's a little bit too loose for all of that.
01:15:48.395 --> 01:15:50.577
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really shoddly edited.
01:15:51.197 --> 01:15:55.681
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the comedic sides don't work and probably would have been better if you cut out a lot of them.
01:15:56.581 --> 01:15:59.264
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then they end up having to go to the emerald city.
01:15:59.324 --> 01:16:00.325
[SPEAKER_00]: John Hamm is in the movie.
01:16:00.365 --> 01:16:01.126
[SPEAKER_00]: It plays himself.
01:16:01.166 --> 01:16:01.607
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
01:16:01.647 --> 01:16:03.088
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't ruin anymore.
01:16:03.168 --> 01:16:03.649
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
01:16:04.029 --> 01:16:05.491
[SPEAKER_00]: And I won't tell you what happens thereafter.
01:16:05.571 --> 01:16:06.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:07.012 --> 01:16:09.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I already said it's a wizard of Oz Rift.
01:16:09.295 --> 01:16:11.397
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know where this story is going.
01:16:12.298 --> 01:16:14.380
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to melt a Mafioso.
01:16:15.862 --> 01:16:16.382
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
01:16:16.703 --> 01:16:19.044
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:16:19.064 --> 01:16:20.985
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say if the mafia is so melts or not.
01:16:21.045 --> 01:16:21.906
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds cute.
01:16:22.046 --> 01:16:22.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:23.146 --> 01:16:23.867
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all it is.
01:16:24.187 --> 01:16:24.887
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cute.
01:16:24.948 --> 01:16:26.008
[SPEAKER_00]: I can handle cute.
01:16:26.048 --> 01:16:27.489
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun for a comedy.
01:16:27.509 --> 01:16:31.391
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit charming if you don't like the state's comedy.
01:16:31.511 --> 01:16:33.193
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be insufferable.
01:16:35.454 --> 01:16:51.647
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a friend who I'm not going to call out to somebody we both know, who hates wet hot American summer, like with passion, just sort of that weird sort of smug self-awareness, the joke that they're not making a joke is the joke, he doesn't like that kind of humor.
01:16:51.747 --> 01:16:56.911
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine, he doesn't have to, and if you don't like that kind of humor, you're kind of like this ear.
01:16:57.732 --> 01:17:01.435
[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate it though, this is a truly great elevator pitch though.
01:17:02.115 --> 01:17:21.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Elevator pitch if anyone doesn't know is like when you have an idea for a movie or a TV show or a story Trapped in an elevator with a studio executive you have the length of the elevator ride to make a pitch Yeah, yeah, so it's got to be something that you can get across and not only get across, but like entice someone with
01:17:22.575 --> 01:17:25.956
[SPEAKER_01]: in a sentence or two, like that's the amount of time you have.
01:17:25.997 --> 01:17:38.002
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have a log line, it is about a woman who has a celebrity sex pass with her fiance, but he gets to sleep with his celebrity, so she travels to Los Angeles to fuck John Hamm.
01:17:38.802 --> 01:17:41.703
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good pitch that is a funny premise.
01:17:41.923 --> 01:17:46.204
[SPEAKER_01]: It has not been done to death, and you can picture the movie.
01:17:46.384 --> 01:17:52.865
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can imagine what the second act is full of, and probably some sense of how it's going to end satisfactorily.
01:17:53.165 --> 01:17:55.025
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good idea for a movie.
01:17:55.165 --> 01:17:59.106
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could have done this in a little bit more of a straight down to Earthway.
01:17:59.686 --> 01:18:02.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's a little bit more of a realistic character, but this is the state.
01:18:02.747 --> 01:18:04.107
[SPEAKER_00]: So everything is very arched.
01:18:04.127 --> 01:18:05.167
[SPEAKER_00]: The characters are all very brawl.
01:18:05.187 --> 01:18:08.408
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the sort of thing I would have really liked to have seen in the nineties.
01:18:08.808 --> 01:18:11.689
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see somebody like Kevin Smith.
01:18:12.089 --> 01:18:13.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is like Kevin Smith.
01:18:13.210 --> 01:18:15.291
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is like Kevin Smith's the type of comedy.
01:18:15.311 --> 01:18:17.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he did Zach and Mary make a porn out.
01:18:17.112 --> 01:18:17.332
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:17.352 --> 01:18:20.213
[SPEAKER_01]: That's got a similar like the very least tonal conceit.
01:18:21.874 --> 01:18:23.134
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like Zach and Mary make a porn out.
01:18:23.154 --> 01:18:24.435
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually a really good movie.
01:18:24.475 --> 01:18:29.197
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually a very sweet film about the adult industry and the positivity of it.
01:18:29.417 --> 01:18:32.899
[SPEAKER_00]: the positivity of it, and I like the chemistry between the two lead characters.
01:18:32.919 --> 01:18:36.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, Logan has great romantic chemistry with a lot of people.
01:18:36.381 --> 01:18:47.707
[SPEAKER_01]: I finally saw, and I can't believe I missed it when it came out, but I finally recently saw the long shot, where he was a speech writer, working for Charlize Theron, who's running for president.
01:18:47.727 --> 01:18:50.629
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that movie is delightful.
01:18:50.649 --> 01:18:51.189
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
01:18:51.370 --> 01:18:52.330
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
01:18:52.350 --> 01:18:53.771
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so good together.
01:18:53.791 --> 01:18:55.272
[SPEAKER_00]: They have incredible chemistry together.
01:18:56.252 --> 01:19:06.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Seth Rogan is kind of a, he is kind of like one of the more genius filmmakers working on it.
01:19:06.837 --> 01:19:10.339
[SPEAKER_00]: He, because he's tackling bigger topics and intelligent ways.
01:19:10.879 --> 01:19:12.120
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they'll make him look very funny.
01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:14.721
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the cloak of Dom Stoner comedy.
01:19:14.841 --> 01:19:18.443
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's incredibly prolific and most of his stuff is great.
01:19:18.743 --> 01:19:39.183
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not always but like enough of it where you're just like have you seen a studio I have not I've heard great that definitely see this I've heard it's I've heard great things But like again he's he's producing TV starring in movies He's writing movies is writing movies or I don't know if he's writing movies But he's doing a ton and often times you're gonna see a dip in quality and he may eventually burn out and like wouldn't blame him if he did
01:19:40.050 --> 01:19:43.931
[SPEAKER_01]: but he's keeping that up and still making good shit.
01:19:43.951 --> 01:19:44.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
01:19:44.351 --> 01:19:45.611
[SPEAKER_01]: We got off in the weeds.
01:19:45.631 --> 01:19:46.992
[SPEAKER_01]: This sounds cute and I wish I'd say it.
01:19:47.192 --> 01:19:47.612
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cute.
01:19:47.912 --> 01:19:48.732
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cute.
01:19:48.812 --> 01:19:49.252
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.
01:19:49.532 --> 01:19:50.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:19:50.493 --> 01:19:57.394
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we have a new film, it is a Netflix original, it is called Enolla Holmes III.
01:19:57.474 --> 01:20:04.036
[SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot honestly remember if I've ever talked to you about the Enolla Holmes or was it you see the first two that we reviewed the first one.
01:20:04.076 --> 01:20:04.976
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see the second.
01:20:05.056 --> 01:20:05.996
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one came out,
01:20:08.957 --> 01:20:33.168
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's based on a series of young adult novels and the original was supposed to go to theaters and then the COVID lockdown happened and Netflix ended up purchasing it and it was one of their big lockdown era releases because it had like this kind of big Hollywood production value kind of fun, paper, adventure, blockbuster, you kind of vibe.
01:20:33.608 --> 01:20:33.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20:34.373 --> 01:20:34.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
01:20:35.315 --> 01:20:35.756
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
01:20:36.537 --> 01:20:37.960
[SPEAKER_01]: The first animal at home is good.
01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:38.481
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing?
01:20:38.662 --> 01:20:39.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.
01:20:39.623 --> 01:20:40.565
[SPEAKER_01]: But really good.
01:20:40.686 --> 01:20:41.146
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
01:20:41.387 --> 01:20:42.589
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a ton of energy.
01:20:43.482 --> 01:20:44.903
[SPEAKER_01]: It is witty.
01:20:45.483 --> 01:20:48.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Millie Bobby Brown plays the title character and she's very well cast.
01:20:49.186 --> 01:20:50.307
[SPEAKER_01]: She's very, very delightful.
01:20:50.387 --> 01:20:55.810
[SPEAKER_01]: Henry Cavill plays Sherlock Holmes in a very supporting role, and he's good.
01:20:55.971 --> 01:20:57.371
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to do that character.
01:20:57.411 --> 01:20:58.732
[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing it to the nines.
01:20:59.193 --> 01:21:12.462
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate how the first two Anola Holmes movies, which, you know, in terms of like the experience of watching them a relatively interchangeable, they're both well-made, not necessarily terribly memorable, but a good time at the movies.
01:21:13.282 --> 01:21:20.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or at home on the couch, I guess, um, but they also are about things, which I appreciate.
01:21:20.228 --> 01:21:31.537
[SPEAKER_01]: And all, well, Sherlock Holmes is out, you know, finding rich people's jewels and, you know, defending the the crown or whatever, and all Holmes is out there defending people who can't defend themselves.
01:21:32.017 --> 01:21:37.842
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and the first one, uh, she's entangled in a conspiracy that's trying to put down election reform.
01:21:38.282 --> 01:21:42.806
[SPEAKER_01]: And England would write around the time an actual important reform bill did go through.
01:21:42.946 --> 01:21:45.949
[SPEAKER_01]: So she was an unknown part of that history.
01:21:46.189 --> 01:21:46.429
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun.
01:21:47.150 --> 01:21:59.100
[SPEAKER_01]: In the second one, she's part of a huge conspiracy that ends up leading to one of the biggest early union movements in British history, which is another real thing.
01:21:59.601 --> 01:22:00.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
01:22:00.982 --> 01:22:01.522
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
01:22:01.543 --> 01:22:01.943
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
01:22:01.963 --> 01:22:05.246
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels frothy and it's fun in its fast pace.
01:22:06.285 --> 01:22:11.787
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is about something, and it feels like there's a reason for these movies to exist other than their need.
01:22:13.748 --> 01:22:24.813
[SPEAKER_01]: I also, when the huge fan of the actor they got to play Moriarty in the second one, her name is Sharon Duncan Brewster.
01:22:24.833 --> 01:22:27.954
[SPEAKER_00]: Is she Moriarty or is she like Moriarty's teenage?
01:22:27.994 --> 01:22:29.054
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she's Moriarty.
01:22:29.314 --> 01:22:32.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she is Moriarty, and I like the take.
01:22:33.629 --> 01:22:51.103
[SPEAKER_01]: that Moriarty is a black woman in the late 19th century who is actually like underestimated and under-privileged in every conceivable way and is doing all of the terrible things that she's doing because fuck you guys.
01:22:52.784 --> 01:22:53.985
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's great.
01:22:54.065 --> 01:23:01.410
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that has a lot of really fun to mention to her character and I'm really frustrated that in this third movie she comes back
01:23:02.371 --> 01:23:03.592
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the main villain this time.
01:23:03.692 --> 01:23:06.053
[SPEAKER_01]: They hide it for all of 10 minutes, and it's really obvious.
01:23:08.834 --> 01:23:12.636
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just kind of cartoon evil, and I'm like, no!
01:23:14.077 --> 01:23:14.997
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
01:23:15.737 --> 01:23:24.161
[SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of the only black character, and there's a few other characters of color here, but the only black character in these movies is now a cackling supervillain.
01:23:25.162 --> 01:23:27.263
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yet she had interesting motivation.
01:23:27.323 --> 01:23:28.203
[SPEAKER_01]: That was so cool.
01:23:28.243 --> 01:23:29.984
[SPEAKER_01]: You did something really interesting for a minute.
01:23:30.424 --> 01:23:31.025
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating.
01:23:31.665 --> 01:23:35.288
[SPEAKER_01]: The new one is taking place like years after the last few.
01:23:35.668 --> 01:23:40.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Millie Bobby Brown is now, she's still young, but she no longer reads his teenagers.
01:23:40.452 --> 01:23:41.073
[SPEAKER_00]: She's starting now.
01:23:41.133 --> 01:23:41.894
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying.
01:23:42.154 --> 01:23:46.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Previously, this is these are the adventures of teenage Sherlock Holmes, younger sister.
01:23:47.018 --> 01:23:48.059
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's a young woman.
01:23:48.933 --> 01:23:55.766
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's been in a relationship or not again, often in a relationship where they're love interest for the last couple of movies.
01:23:56.126 --> 01:23:59.212
[SPEAKER_01]: His name is Vicount Tukesbury.
01:23:59.232 --> 01:24:01.516
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's...
01:24:03.583 --> 01:24:08.528
[SPEAKER_01]: his heart is in the right place and I can see why he is the best available mail option for her.
01:24:09.610 --> 01:24:12.553
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think they're great together, but whatever, I would mind a judge.
01:24:12.953 --> 01:24:15.676
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the beginning of the movie, they're getting married.
01:24:16.917 --> 01:24:23.605
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's running late to the wedding, and there's like a few, and they're in Malta, and there's like, she's on a chariot, and they're like, you know, they're, they're, they're
01:24:24.185 --> 01:24:34.152
[SPEAKER_01]: racing to the wedding and a guy runs up to them and she thinks they're being attacked and she like whips at a shotgun and was like hanging out of the carriage and I'm like this is a great way to start a movie.
01:24:35.053 --> 01:24:36.394
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying all of this so far.
01:24:36.414 --> 01:24:36.954
[SPEAKER_01]: This is cool.
01:24:37.334 --> 01:24:39.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out and we're already falling off.
01:24:40.877 --> 01:24:46.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out the bandit in like the face mask was actually Watson.
01:24:47.113 --> 01:24:48.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Watson was simply trying to catch up to her anywhere.
01:24:48.914 --> 01:24:56.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew, you just interpreted those situations, which is cute, but also that was exciting for a minute and we just walked it back so hard.
01:24:57.937 --> 01:25:04.380
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's trying to track her down because Sherlock Holmes, who was, of course, there at the wedding, has been kidnapped.
01:25:05.889 --> 01:25:07.230
[SPEAKER_01]: which is already weird.
01:25:08.531 --> 01:25:10.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Sherlock Holmes should not be kidnapped.
01:25:10.253 --> 01:25:14.016
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not even she's just like, well, how the fuck did that happen?
01:25:14.737 --> 01:25:28.348
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she starts investigating, and it turns out there's like a huge, long-running conspiracy about gold that the British government stole from Afghanistan, and that's a whole thing that they,
01:25:29.269 --> 01:25:35.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Unlike the previous two movies which kind of handled their real life, you know, tangentially related subject matter pretty well.
01:25:35.573 --> 01:25:37.655
[SPEAKER_01]: This one does, and it's just a plot point.
01:25:37.755 --> 01:25:40.817
[SPEAKER_01]: But um, and that's it.
01:25:40.937 --> 01:25:42.658
[SPEAKER_01]: She investigates the crime.
01:25:43.638 --> 01:25:44.619
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes two damn long.
01:25:46.160 --> 01:25:49.722
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this frustrating thing where they split those Netflix movies like two and a half hours.
01:25:50.143 --> 01:25:52.524
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like two, and it really doesn't need to be.
01:25:53.785 --> 01:25:54.826
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really frustrating because
01:25:56.022 --> 01:25:57.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I like the first two movies.
01:25:57.523 --> 01:25:58.665
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're really fun.
01:25:58.705 --> 01:25:59.445
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they amazing?
01:25:59.545 --> 01:26:00.667
[SPEAKER_01]: No, are they terribly memorable?
01:26:00.727 --> 01:26:02.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not, but they're really fun to watch.
01:26:03.349 --> 01:26:08.874
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just well-crafted, fun, slightly smarter than they should be entertainments.
01:26:09.115 --> 01:26:09.775
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy with that.
01:26:09.815 --> 01:26:10.236
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
01:26:11.717 --> 01:26:14.039
[SPEAKER_01]: Here they got a new director.
01:26:14.120 --> 01:26:15.981
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't bring the same energy to it.
01:26:16.882 --> 01:26:16.962
[SPEAKER_01]: And
01:26:18.218 --> 01:26:25.707
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the really struggling here because I think in the time of standing that the young adult books, these are based on they're all the younger adventures of an old home.
01:26:25.727 --> 01:26:27.970
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're trying to have to grow up with the lead actress.
01:26:30.267 --> 01:26:36.171
[SPEAKER_01]: She should buy all accounts simply be comfortable in her own skin by now, and the movie plays it out.
01:26:36.211 --> 01:26:39.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, she's been Sherlock Holmes is equal for a while.
01:26:39.593 --> 01:26:40.774
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just as respected.
01:26:41.274 --> 01:26:41.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:26:41.895 --> 01:26:43.276
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sherlock Holmes is kidnapped.
01:26:43.296 --> 01:26:46.018
[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, maybe she's not as good as Sherlock Holmes.
01:26:46.238 --> 01:26:46.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's better.
01:26:46.978 --> 01:26:48.179
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little inconsistency there.
01:26:50.126 --> 01:26:56.596
[SPEAKER_01]: But in order to like track him down, like, okay, she has like a couple of moments where she's not sure she can do it.
01:26:56.616 --> 01:26:57.677
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really difficult case.
01:26:57.978 --> 01:27:02.445
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine, perfectly valid drama, but then like her mother is played by Helen Abon Carter.
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.020
[SPEAKER_00]: But she wasn't the previous one.
01:27:05.040 --> 01:27:06.341
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't the previous one, it was as well.
01:27:07.522 --> 01:27:14.468
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's a fugitive from the law because she's a suffragette who likes the blow things up, which I enjoy and is fun.
01:27:15.989 --> 01:27:24.776
[SPEAKER_01]: But she likes it, oh, in all the homes, the reason why you haven't figured out this case is you're trying to solve the case, but you don't realize there's something underneath the surface.
01:27:24.836 --> 01:27:28.039
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, she is the equal of Sherlock Holmes.
01:27:28.519 --> 01:27:32.383
[SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me that it never occurred to her to look underneath the surface.
01:27:33.782 --> 01:27:37.583
[SPEAKER_01]: That's advice you give to a teenager who's just starting out.
01:27:38.163 --> 01:27:41.844
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not advice to someone you give to who has been doing this for the better part of a decade.
01:27:42.584 --> 01:27:46.205
[SPEAKER_01]: They really don't know how to tell an older enola home story.
01:27:46.905 --> 01:27:49.926
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep trying to make it feel like the old ones, but it feels completely out of place.
01:27:50.726 --> 01:27:55.227
[SPEAKER_01]: And the emphasis on her getting married is frustrating because it doesn't really add anything.
01:27:55.768 --> 01:27:56.528
[SPEAKER_01]: On one hand,
01:27:57.491 --> 01:28:19.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she does debate it, you know, like I feel like I'm such an independent woman do I really want to do this, but I do love them, you know, and like, and it's her choice to make all of that is true, but the movie's emphasis on it just makes it feel like they really felt they needed like, they needed a wedding as if there was someone in the audience who was like, yeah, and all the homes of movies are great, but why isn't she married?
01:28:20.165 --> 01:28:24.570
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something kind of weirdly regressive about just placing that much emphasis on this plot point.
01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:30.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to make it all about that is kind of, feels besides the point to me.
01:28:30.938 --> 01:28:35.364
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it is the point, then I missed the point of the previous two movies, because I felt like they weren't about that at all.
01:28:35.804 --> 01:28:39.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this one isn't great.
01:28:40.393 --> 01:28:41.573
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it terrible?
01:28:41.613 --> 01:28:45.234
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not terrible, but it is the first and all the holes movie that I simply wouldn't recommend.
01:28:45.574 --> 01:28:45.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
01:28:46.134 --> 01:28:55.477
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I think I probably would have given like the first one a C plus the second one a high C and this one will be getting that through those but it's not awful.
01:28:55.577 --> 01:28:58.157
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this doesn't work and they couldn't crack it.
01:28:58.217 --> 01:29:08.200
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to have written themselves into a corner just because they took too long to make it and now they have to try to serve two different ideas about what this movie can be and they can do neither right.
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:12.782
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, tell me about nightmares, which I know nothing about.
01:29:13.083 --> 01:29:15.925
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, uh, this is an interesting case.
01:29:15.965 --> 01:29:26.074
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the very first, uh, ever, um Geronto Filia thriller, I think I've seen You're gonna have to find that for people in the audience.
01:29:26.094 --> 01:29:26.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not me.
01:29:26.955 --> 01:29:27.155
[SPEAKER_00]: People
01:29:29.750 --> 01:29:42.293
[SPEAKER_00]: people who are aroused by elderly people okay yeah um so night nurse is uh uh about a night nurse she's hired a to take care of this uh crotchied old man
01:29:43.108 --> 01:30:11.809
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the character's named um... a lany played by a jemura pucks away uh... she's called into look after this uh... man is like late seventies maybe early a's i'll play by Bruce McKenzie and he's confident but we're not really sure how with it he is he has a few uh... interviews early in the film where he seems to not really necessarily understand where he is he's just happy to be surrounded by what he calls pretty girls
01:30:12.209 --> 01:30:13.952
[SPEAKER_00]: which are the nurses or taking care of them.
01:30:13.972 --> 01:30:14.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:30:14.693 --> 01:30:21.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the Eleni character meets another nurse named Mona and they kind of shows in the robes.
01:30:23.227 --> 01:30:44.777
[SPEAKER_00]: But she learns pretty early on that this guy has kind of a scam going and he will sort of pin his nurses against the wall because he has already sensed that they're drawn to files they're in damn and they're so overwhelmed with lust that they will engage in this comedy as going on.
01:30:45.537 --> 01:31:13.749
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they will he has the nurses call other denizens other old guys in this nursing home claiming to be in a panic to be his granddaughter so this is your granddaughter i've been kidnapped can you send money quickly or i'm in trouble i've been injured i need money for hospital bills or they won't let me go or there's cops here so the creating this drama took uh... kind of confused these older people and they in a panic they'll send money and over the years it's eventually revealed that he's caught a lot of money this way
01:31:15.249 --> 01:31:22.233
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, he's sort of gathered around, essentially a harem of nurses who are into this.
01:31:22.974 --> 01:31:41.465
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's the opening shot is actually really amazing, because we're sort of in an extreme close-up depending on somebody's body, and they have that coiled phone cord wrapped around various parts of their body, so I'm not really sure which body part we're looking at, and we hear just the dialogue and it's all very film noir, it's all pretty cool.
01:31:44.808 --> 01:32:00.823
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, of course it is about sort of the how into this the main nightmare's character is going to become if she's going to like just sort of fall into the under this guy's spell and stay under that way or if she's going to sort of come to her senses and rick aloud or how deep is this going to go.
01:32:02.536 --> 01:32:21.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only issue that the movie really has is we don't get to really know her very well we don't really know what her desires are what her dreams are other than she's just completely wrapped up in this older guy and that I think takes away a lot of the kind of personal emotional edge that the film might need.
01:32:22.539 --> 01:32:29.885
[SPEAKER_00]: If you've heard of this scam before it is a real thing some people do call up the like befuddled man and try to The condom out of money.
01:32:30.506 --> 01:32:48.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of our lot of scams are directed at the elderly Yeah, it's fucked up in general that there are scams, but it's especially fucked up come on Yeah, I'm willing to bet that somebody listening to the podcast right now has a relative who's gone through this Yes Or like you've caught somebody trying to scam like your grandparents
01:32:50.348 --> 01:32:52.610
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is that kind of real world edge to it.
01:32:52.630 --> 01:32:53.951
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is very stylish.
01:32:54.012 --> 01:33:10.927
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the pacing and the mood of this movie I like the this Strange erotic world that this creates because I've never seen a film that's specifically about dronchophilia other than you know comedies What was that one with Robert De Niro and Aubrey Plaza?
01:33:11.187 --> 01:33:31.780
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like that bad grandpa evil grandpa's yeah dirty grandpa maybe dirty grandpa Yeah, there was one called bad grandpa one called dirty grandpa and I forgot which one was yeah one was a Johnny Knox But yeah, there was The opera pause a character was like really and was a gerontophile She was early into Robert and he or her dirty grandpa was the Robert and he or I'm okay.
01:33:31.900 --> 01:33:36.083
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I think sack a fron was the grandson No, okay, yeah, good catch
01:33:37.905 --> 01:33:40.225
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that movie, I don't remember it too, I didn't see it, I missed out, I'm so sorry.
01:33:40.245 --> 01:34:05.090
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, dronophilia is a thing, be sure about it, I'm not, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm
01:34:07.470 --> 01:34:10.231
[SPEAKER_00]: Judgment going on in many erotic thrillers.
01:34:10.271 --> 01:34:10.631
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.
01:34:10.651 --> 01:34:11.351
[SPEAKER_00]: I was zesting.
01:34:11.371 --> 01:34:14.873
[SPEAKER_00]: They may be about their eroticism and their beauty and their sex.
01:34:15.373 --> 01:34:21.235
[SPEAKER_00]: They're at least is a vagalament that giving into your desires is a negative thing.
01:34:21.515 --> 01:34:24.476
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an a character's punished at the end Yeah, that's kind of the thing about it.
01:34:24.536 --> 01:34:30.338
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a lot of erotic thrillers are based on the idea that What you're into, but it's not like vanilla.
01:34:30.558 --> 01:34:30.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm
01:34:31.818 --> 01:34:42.063
[SPEAKER_01]: is something that you are so desperate to have that you're willing to risk or endanger your life in some way, if not literally, then figuratively.
01:34:42.143 --> 01:34:46.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I am willing to risk my marriage to have an affair with this younger man.
01:34:46.145 --> 01:34:46.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:34:46.805 --> 01:34:52.708
[SPEAKER_01]: I am willing to kill a woman's husband just because she is so arousing to me.
01:34:52.728 --> 01:34:53.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:34:53.768 --> 01:34:54.588
[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing.
01:34:55.329 --> 01:34:57.370
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it is wrapped up in shame, I swear.
01:34:57.390 --> 01:34:59.991
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there wasn't any shame, there probably wouldn't be any suspense.
01:35:00.592 --> 01:35:02.339
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like, yeah, I haven't sexed with this guy.
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:03.563
[SPEAKER_01]: It's consensual and we're good.
01:35:05.610 --> 01:35:06.510
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
01:35:06.550 --> 01:35:07.190
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a movie.
01:35:07.230 --> 01:35:08.611
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just good for you guys.
01:35:08.631 --> 01:35:10.371
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, there's nothing going on here.
01:35:11.332 --> 01:35:12.572
[SPEAKER_00]: I had four partners this week.
01:35:13.012 --> 01:35:13.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
01:35:13.652 --> 01:35:13.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:35:14.052 --> 01:35:15.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it everything was above board?
01:35:15.653 --> 01:35:16.533
[SPEAKER_00]: And we all had a good time.
01:35:16.993 --> 01:35:17.293
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
01:35:17.533 --> 01:35:18.654
[SPEAKER_00]: So all consensual and safe.
01:35:18.694 --> 01:35:19.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fine.
01:35:19.274 --> 01:35:19.814
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for it.
01:35:20.034 --> 01:35:23.115
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no real thrills to that, but there's plenty of eroticism.
01:35:23.135 --> 01:35:23.835
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
01:35:23.855 --> 01:35:26.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like if you want to have an erotic thriller show or shame is often wrapped up in it.
01:35:26.996 --> 01:35:30.317
[SPEAKER_00]: So and that's, but that's sort of a trapping of the genre.
01:35:30.337 --> 01:35:32.618
[SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily a fault with this film in particular.
01:35:32.638 --> 01:35:32.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:35.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think it is kind of effective.
01:35:35.704 --> 01:35:39.432
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish the main character had a little bit more character Fair enough.
01:35:40.374 --> 01:35:43.260
[SPEAKER_00]: But at least the the guys she's into the older guy.
01:35:43.280 --> 01:35:44.022
[SPEAKER_00]: I buy it
01:35:44.591 --> 01:35:45.671
[SPEAKER_01]: you buy that he said.
01:35:45.812 --> 01:35:49.373
[SPEAKER_00]: I buy it that the characters find him sexier find him a go a little bit of lure.
01:35:49.473 --> 01:35:50.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the trick.
01:35:50.594 --> 01:35:56.476
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to necessarily be convinced of something yourself as long as you you believe the characters are.
01:35:56.616 --> 01:35:56.796
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:35:57.096 --> 01:36:02.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and that's who I think I find it with horror a lot of the time, too, where people are like, well, that movie didn't scare me.
01:36:02.579 --> 01:36:06.340
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, do you were you convinced that the characters in the movie experience that fear?
01:36:06.380 --> 01:36:07.981
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what they have to sell.
01:36:08.081 --> 01:36:08.281
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:36:08.662 --> 01:36:11.064
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily your phobia.
01:36:11.345 --> 01:36:13.868
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't all be your phobia.
01:36:14.048 --> 01:36:14.268
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:36:14.328 --> 01:36:21.276
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can empathize enough with the characters to acknowledge and hopefully at least somewhat feel their fear, then it's doing fine.
01:36:21.296 --> 01:36:21.456
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:36:21.576 --> 01:36:27.003
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a character, if you get an actor who can really convey terror, then the movie's going to be just that much better.
01:36:27.503 --> 01:36:28.324
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Shirley.
01:36:28.504 --> 01:36:29.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Cheryl Lee.
01:36:29.705 --> 01:36:31.606
[SPEAKER_00]: I was literally just about to say, Cheryl Lee.
01:36:31.666 --> 01:36:34.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that this single, great, greatest, fair, fair.
01:36:34.768 --> 01:36:36.429
[SPEAKER_01]: Fear, actress, to Everland.
01:36:36.509 --> 01:36:39.031
[SPEAKER_01]: Ever, there's never, we talk about screen Queens all the time.
01:36:39.631 --> 01:36:40.792
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of them are really good.
01:36:40.812 --> 01:36:46.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Cheryl Lee, not a screen queen, just fucking brilliant, egg conveying fear.
01:36:46.596 --> 01:36:48.717
[SPEAKER_00]: And integrate, scream as well.
01:36:48.777 --> 01:36:50.238
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great actor, just in general.
01:36:50.258 --> 01:36:53.421
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just something that she's got that, like, over everybody.
01:36:53.441 --> 01:36:54.501
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's incredible.
01:36:57.183 --> 01:36:58.484
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not anytime soon.
01:36:58.504 --> 01:37:04.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, all right, and then the last move we're going to be reviewing this week It's called young Washington.
01:37:04.827 --> 01:37:13.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the story of young George Washington and One two three.
01:37:13.772 --> 01:37:17.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can sum up my review pretty quickly Fuck this movie
01:37:19.246 --> 01:37:28.013
[SPEAKER_01]: So this movie is a biopic about George Washington during the what we call the French and Indian War.
01:37:29.715 --> 01:37:40.945
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played by a young actor and William Franklin Miller, Mary Louise Parker plays his mom, Kelsey Grammar, Andy Circus and Ben Kingsley are also in it as well, giving, giving this film a little bit of dignity.
01:37:43.297 --> 01:37:55.822
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a story about how George Washington, when he was born and raised in I believe Virginia, he didn't have a lot of advantages.
01:37:55.862 --> 01:37:57.722
[SPEAKER_01]: He was born without a lot of privileges.
01:37:57.943 --> 01:38:00.584
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowed to go to school after his father died.
01:38:01.104 --> 01:38:05.805
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowed to join the British military properly because he didn't own land.
01:38:10.327 --> 01:38:21.878
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's extremely wrong to deny people like their rights and opportunities just based off of the circumstances of their birth.
01:38:22.338 --> 01:38:26.302
[SPEAKER_01]: They mentioned briefly that he owned slaves and then they never mentioned it again.
01:38:27.528 --> 01:38:40.399
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just not going to go there and we're still going to try to play it off like the real injustice was that George Washington had it a little bit more inconvenient than many Is it pronounced hageography or hageography?
01:38:40.539 --> 01:38:41.780
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's hageography.
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:42.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
01:38:42.861 --> 01:38:43.602
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong.
01:38:44.622 --> 01:38:47.245
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we're not off on a good start.
01:38:47.565 --> 01:38:48.386
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright.
01:38:49.406 --> 01:38:54.654
[SPEAKER_01]: He meets and falls in love with a woman who is, I'm not even going to bother saying the actor out.
01:38:54.674 --> 01:38:55.896
[SPEAKER_01]: She never seems present in the role.
01:38:55.916 --> 01:38:57.298
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:03.247
[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets himself a job sort of surveying,
01:39:04.477 --> 01:39:14.808
[SPEAKER_01]: unmapped out territory, while he is doing that, he runs into a French outpost, turns out the French are horning in and what the British believe is their territory.
01:39:14.868 --> 01:39:20.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the indigenous first nation people of this country are like fuck both of you guys.
01:39:22.825 --> 01:39:43.069
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, uh, George Washington sees this as his opportunity to sort of squeak up the latter militarily and he ends up getting a ton of people killed because he sucks at it, but by the end of the movie he's learned some valuable lessons, uh, failure has taught him, uh, how to be better at what he does.
01:39:43.529 --> 01:39:47.450
[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of the movie, there's a big battle sequence and George Washington,
01:39:48.607 --> 01:39:54.375
[SPEAKER_01]: Currently with dysentery does a lot of slowmo shootouts and horse stunts.
01:39:55.816 --> 01:39:56.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:39:56.316 --> 01:39:57.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, he has dysentery.
01:39:58.017 --> 01:40:00.378
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds terrible, is it pooping all the time?
01:40:00.398 --> 01:40:02.800
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that would have been something.
01:40:03.400 --> 01:40:05.982
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, the dysentery just sort of goes away.
01:40:06.322 --> 01:40:11.245
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's time to spring into action, he's wearing white pants, come on.
01:40:11.905 --> 01:40:12.686
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing?
01:40:12.706 --> 01:40:15.548
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's wearing white pants that might be beige, whatever, who gives a fuck.
01:40:16.148 --> 01:40:18.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, holiday, bring me my brown pants.
01:40:19.310 --> 01:40:22.572
[SPEAKER_01]: And, at, by the end of the movie,
01:40:25.790 --> 01:40:28.613
[SPEAKER_01]: after he's like one a battle and been like promoted.
01:40:28.633 --> 01:40:35.539
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget which tribe it is.
01:40:35.639 --> 01:40:48.831
[SPEAKER_01]: The indigenous people of America, column over and they say, listen, during that battle, we tried to shoot you and you were impervious to our bullets, which means that you are the chosen one who is here to protect this nation.
01:40:49.311 --> 01:40:49.812
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
01:40:50.847 --> 01:40:52.008
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all of you!
01:40:53.048 --> 01:41:02.373
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate this trend in American politics, this view of them, but also in American history glasses.
01:41:02.913 --> 01:41:11.658
[SPEAKER_00]: How we tend to view some of the early figures who signed the Declaration of Independence and worked on the Bill of Rights as essentially gods.
01:41:12.773 --> 01:41:13.694
[SPEAKER_00]: They're founding father.
01:41:13.754 --> 01:41:14.794
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a pantheon.
01:41:14.814 --> 01:41:18.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the founding fathers is the phrase we use in the United States.
01:41:18.417 --> 01:41:18.637
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:18.697 --> 01:41:19.878
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always hated the phrase.
01:41:20.138 --> 01:41:20.618
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:25.002
[SPEAKER_00]: How about guys who wrote and wrote a document that is bigger than they are?
01:41:25.022 --> 01:41:25.182
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:25.342 --> 01:41:26.423
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Magna Carta.
01:41:26.503 --> 01:41:27.063
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:41:27.343 --> 01:41:27.663
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it?
01:41:27.964 --> 01:41:30.786
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how are they described in the days and confused?
01:41:31.126 --> 01:41:33.387
[SPEAKER_01]: A bunch of rich landowners didn't want to pay other taxes.
01:41:33.427 --> 01:41:33.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:33.708 --> 01:41:33.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:34.368 --> 01:41:34.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:34.728 --> 01:41:34.929
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:41:35.209 --> 01:41:36.770
[SPEAKER_00]: The slave owners who wanted to be free.
01:41:37.190 --> 01:41:50.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, listen, I'm not saying that they didn't do something like they they fought off the what was considered the greatest military in the world at the time That's not a small accomplishment They're extremely flawed people.
01:41:50.493 --> 01:41:57.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we can look at the foundation of the United States as I'm in a civil and to bust can't wait.
01:41:57.235 --> 01:42:06.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the biggest thing you can say about is that they left room to fix their mistakes Yeah, you know there's a lot of people at the time who were even saying we should
01:42:07.177 --> 01:42:08.918
[SPEAKER_01]: there should be no slavery in this country.
01:42:09.398 --> 01:42:10.399
[SPEAKER_01]: They were shouted down.
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.461
[SPEAKER_01]: And the compromise was, we can hopefully fix that later.
01:42:15.362 --> 01:42:17.363
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was not great, but at least it was in there.
01:42:17.383 --> 01:42:18.564
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best you can say about it.
01:42:18.644 --> 01:42:20.365
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you ever saw the musical 1776.
01:42:20.425 --> 01:42:27.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the first act is like very gun going up and up, and the second half is, hey guys, what about slavery?
01:42:27.989 --> 01:42:29.070
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:42:29.710 --> 01:42:31.011
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big part of Hamilton, isn't it?
01:42:31.091 --> 01:42:33.992
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be a bigger part of Hamilton, honestly.
01:42:34.353 --> 01:42:37.234
[SPEAKER_01]: It's surprisingly not both emphasizes a good event.
01:42:37.554 --> 01:42:38.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's in there.
01:42:38.815 --> 01:42:41.797
[SPEAKER_00]: It is because it's a modern hip hop, and it's a...
01:42:42.337 --> 01:42:42.757
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Denmark.
01:42:42.797 --> 01:42:43.738
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Denmark.
01:42:43.858 --> 01:42:47.040
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in Denmark to the presentation, but in the script itself.
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:55.927
[SPEAKER_01]: You might think there would be more about it, but I'd understand that there were other songs that they were going to try to emphasize that more and then make fun of Kuppet.
01:42:56.287 --> 01:42:57.648
[SPEAKER_01]: And in any case, yeah, it's all in there.
01:42:57.668 --> 01:43:10.899
[SPEAKER_00]: But this haunting of the founders of the nation, the authors of the Declaration of Independence, and the generals who fought in the Revolutionary War, as heroic has never sat well with me.
01:43:11.459 --> 01:43:14.582
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the biographies that show people as people, because people are people.
01:43:15.153 --> 01:43:30.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so why should it be that we treat them so fucking well in there is the one the one exception I'll get to this the one like movie that like vance America's founding fathers and gets away with it Isn't movie that has largely been forgotten even though it's very funny America the motion picture
01:43:30.769 --> 01:43:53.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great movie because George Washington is like portrayed as Captain America And like you have this gigantic muscle to Donna city's best friends with Lincoln who lives beside you Yeah, yeah, they were like Thomas Jefferson is a woman and I think she's got a cybernetic hand Like it's just like a hot babe with a lot of parts like they're going so far and like the king is like Baron Harkin in from Dune
01:43:55.346 --> 01:44:05.413
[SPEAKER_01]: They just go so far that they're making fun of it while also indulging in the comic Overreverance we have yeah for the founders of this nation.
01:44:05.693 --> 01:44:17.661
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a I don't remember when I was a kid They were still unironically pushing a lot of the myths like oh, he chopped down a cherry tree and his mother said George
01:44:18.441 --> 01:44:21.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you do that shit like I don't tell her life.
01:44:21.283 --> 01:44:28.427
[SPEAKER_01]: I did well then when the fuck did you do it like you they we don't actually talk about that bit Why what was it for you?
01:44:28.447 --> 01:44:42.355
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were and you were just gonna tell them just like Cameron and the car at the end of Ferris Bueller was this just how you were gonna finally bond with your dad He finally paid attention He doesn't make any sense that's not in this movie We do see him take a couple wax at it
01:44:45.198 --> 01:44:46.639
[SPEAKER_01]: You had to get it there somewhere!
01:44:46.659 --> 01:44:47.819
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a stick to doing it.
01:44:48.099 --> 01:44:52.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was kind of based on a true story when George Washington kind of hit a tree a little bit.
01:44:52.141 --> 01:44:54.042
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I'd like this, like starts to chop into it.
01:44:54.082 --> 01:44:55.103
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you chopping another cherry tree?
01:44:55.123 --> 01:44:55.183
[SPEAKER_00]: No!
01:44:55.203 --> 01:45:06.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:45:08.375 --> 01:45:24.563
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing the other reason for this movie is that apparently there's a lot of AI especially And like especially in like the environments to sort of recreate like the like I guess the pastoral whatever and I was concerned about that when I was watching it, but I don't
01:45:25.263 --> 01:45:44.049
[SPEAKER_01]: want to get to the point where I'm accusing a movie of being AI before I know it is, if I want to movie and I give it credit for something and that thing turns out to be AI, that is not AI doing well, that is me being con by filmmakers and to thinking they did
01:45:52.459 --> 01:45:57.183
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I find it a bit embarrassing, but that's on them, fuck them.
01:45:57.463 --> 01:45:58.944
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's some fucking bullshit.
01:45:59.745 --> 01:46:04.268
[SPEAKER_01]: And like a lot of other angel studios films, not all, but a lot.
01:46:04.308 --> 01:46:06.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially their very conservative leaning films.
01:46:07.903 --> 01:46:11.187
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be ends with an intriguing to the audience.
01:46:11.427 --> 01:46:15.691
[SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey Graham, or shows up, and he's got like an American flag waving on the background or some shit.
01:46:16.232 --> 01:46:20.496
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's talking about how this film isn't a film, it's a movement.
01:46:20.997 --> 01:46:23.139
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you give us extra money,
01:46:24.247 --> 01:46:36.249
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just your ticket, but to like spend on tickets for other people to see this movie, we could be number one at the box office as if one is a sort of achievement for us.
01:46:36.409 --> 01:46:38.270
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's some sort of noble thing.
01:46:39.690 --> 01:46:45.111
[SPEAKER_01]: And as if, and again, there's a theory we have in capitalism that people are voting with their money.
01:46:45.591 --> 01:46:49.112
[SPEAKER_01]: What we pay for is what we want, so we'll get more of it.
01:46:51.187 --> 01:47:06.233
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is ending a movie about like the founder of America, the pillar of democracy, flawed though it is, where everyone is supposed to get their own vote, eventually.
01:47:08.854 --> 01:47:12.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end, you're arguing for essentially voter fraud.
01:47:12.896 --> 01:47:14.156
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not just giving it box.
01:47:14.216 --> 01:47:18.598
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing to say, I like the work you're doing, I like to contribute to your Kickstarter.
01:47:19.203 --> 01:47:21.624
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you're being honest and I'm fine.
01:47:23.005 --> 01:47:31.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Asking for money that is going to go into tickets for people who may not even use them, and in previous instances we know have not.
01:47:32.709 --> 01:47:34.030
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just giving the money.
01:47:35.068 --> 01:47:57.343
[SPEAKER_00]: it's inflating the box office which suggests that more people are interested in this then they're really armed and they really believed in their conservative messaging they wouldn't need to do that so they don't believe it know that they don't and it's all based on this very strange con based on just the way people react to stuff online this is of
01:47:58.203 --> 01:48:10.609
[SPEAKER_00]: This Angel Studios is exists for the kinds of people who think that audience scores on Rotten Tomato Matter, the kinds of people who see a number on a website and think that this is somehow moving the culture.
01:48:11.149 --> 01:48:17.713
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't need a bunch of money and prove that this movie has made a lot of money, that it will somehow
01:48:18.373 --> 01:48:37.222
[SPEAKER_00]: alter the culture at large to prove that conservative ideas are popular yeah it has nothing to do with the artistic integrity of the film not at all no that's all it's all this uh like culture war bullshit game so i don't approve of what they do they did this with that animal farm movie i think that animal farm movie is that animal farm end with that
01:48:37.502 --> 01:48:39.583
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe you.
01:48:39.724 --> 01:48:41.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I just said go buy the merch.
01:48:41.405 --> 01:48:42.225
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not the first one.
01:48:42.245 --> 01:48:43.586
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not the first one.
01:48:43.606 --> 01:48:45.227
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
01:48:45.367 --> 01:48:45.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
01:48:45.968 --> 01:48:50.851
[SPEAKER_00]: What I found interesting about that movie is they don't even know what the message is in that movie or why they made it.
01:48:50.891 --> 01:48:54.393
[SPEAKER_01]: No, in fact, making merch for that movie is entirely against the movie if you think about it.
01:48:54.413 --> 01:48:56.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's very anti-capitalist.
01:48:57.668 --> 01:48:59.229
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they typically do this with their Christian movies.
01:48:59.269 --> 01:49:03.153
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen them not do it with movies back to other better movies.
01:49:03.173 --> 01:49:10.599
[SPEAKER_01]: Within the last year, they came out with a very good romantic comedy, starring Kevin James, called Solo Mio, which is about to come out.
01:49:10.619 --> 01:49:12.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Guy who goes to Italy.
01:49:12.040 --> 01:49:13.081
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very sweet movie.
01:49:13.121 --> 01:49:17.125
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to Italy to get married to his girlfriend, her dream wedding.
01:49:17.545 --> 01:49:18.666
[SPEAKER_01]: She leaves him at the altar.
01:49:19.086 --> 01:49:22.629
[SPEAKER_01]: But he still got this done, refundable honeymoon package.
01:49:22.669 --> 01:49:24.531
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes on at any way and falls in love there.
01:49:25.191 --> 01:49:27.253
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cute and it's a well-made movie.
01:49:27.993 --> 01:49:28.854
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it works.
01:49:29.134 --> 01:49:45.845
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't put that message at the end of that And then they did a really good kids horror movie last year called sketch About like a pond in the back with someone's like, you know, how some like the woods and if you like Drop something in there like if like they dropped like
01:49:46.565 --> 01:50:00.734
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a dead plant in there when you picked it up the plant would be alive But a bunch of kids drawings fall into it and the kid is dealing with some shit And they were drawing a whole bunch of scary monsters and how these scary monsters that look like kids drawings But they're still really scary.
01:50:00.914 --> 01:50:03.275
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh come out That's kind of the it works.
01:50:03.295 --> 01:50:09.079
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a bunch of like eyeball spiders and like you know It works like it's a good movie.
01:50:09.139 --> 01:50:10.339
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that movie a lot.
01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:14.542
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth recommending Angel Studios doesn't only make bad movies
01:50:15.574 --> 01:50:37.589
[SPEAKER_01]: But the conservative leaning stuff they make is generally quite terrible, and on the occasion in which they do make a halfway decent one, they did one year, year and a half ago, called Homestead, which was sort of a post-apocalyptic one, which has a lot of laughable stuff in it, but ultimately did have a pretty positive message, a very Christian message about
01:50:39.899 --> 01:50:53.703
[SPEAKER_01]: not hoarding what you have and making sure that if you contribute to a community and don't just keep all the money and all the supplies and everything for yourself, that helps everyone in the community including you.
01:50:55.004 --> 01:50:55.724
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good message.
01:50:56.784 --> 01:51:06.547
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they panhandle for money afterwards like it's like no, but if you were giving that money to charity, yes, otherwise you're defeating
01:51:10.162 --> 01:51:10.822
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't work.
01:51:11.182 --> 01:51:12.343
[SPEAKER_01]: They sold the ticket already.
01:51:12.803 --> 01:51:13.504
[SPEAKER_00]: You paid your mind.
01:51:13.644 --> 01:51:29.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that if you want to see it again Yeah, what have you done to earn a second ticket from me after I've paid for it Like if you like it enough to see it again, that's Right, but like if another ticket and if you if someone says oh, I'd like to go I really can't afford it right now and you want to pay for their ticket.
01:51:29.771 --> 01:51:31.272
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine, but giving
01:51:32.172 --> 01:51:37.794
[SPEAKER_01]: This company money, which they promise they'll spend on tickets, but there's no guarantee they'll go to a human being.
01:51:38.574 --> 01:51:41.715
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know for a fact that in the past that they have not always gone to a human being.
01:51:41.735 --> 01:51:44.716
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was the deal with, what was it, the sound of freedom?
01:51:44.796 --> 01:51:45.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Sound of freedom?
01:51:45.536 --> 01:51:46.336
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not thunder.
01:51:46.356 --> 01:51:47.376
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a free bread burst.
01:51:47.396 --> 01:51:48.177
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no.
01:51:48.357 --> 01:51:49.937
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't see sound of freedom.
01:51:49.957 --> 01:51:50.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Sound of thunder is quite bad.
01:51:51.458 --> 01:51:53.518
[SPEAKER_01]: Also has been Kingsley in it.
01:51:53.598 --> 01:51:57.679
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate Ben Kingsley because he doesn't film this movie in, by the way.
01:51:58.040 --> 01:51:59.040
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can also tell,
01:52:00.340 --> 01:52:03.203
[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't pay him to stand up.
01:52:03.243 --> 01:52:07.467
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been most of the movie behind the desk and occasionally twice.
01:52:08.167 --> 01:52:10.710
[SPEAKER_01]: He stands up and walks to the front of the desk.
01:52:11.370 --> 01:52:13.893
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they were able to get at it, and he's sleeping.
01:52:13.953 --> 01:52:16.135
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing a movie called Blood Wraith.
01:52:16.155 --> 01:52:16.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:52:16.815 --> 01:52:18.617
[SPEAKER_01]: The vampire film based on a video game.
01:52:18.637 --> 01:52:20.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He played like the vampire lord.
01:52:20.398 --> 01:52:21.800
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's at the whole movie on a chair.
01:52:21.820 --> 01:52:23.281
[SPEAKER_00]: He sits in the throne and that's it.
01:52:23.321 --> 01:52:24.762
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets up and bites somebody once.
01:52:25.363 --> 01:52:29.226
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a sword fight at the end and they got one lunge out of him.
01:52:30.286 --> 01:52:31.747
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very disinterested line.
01:52:31.767 --> 01:52:34.229
[SPEAKER_01]: She just goes, and that's it.
01:52:36.150 --> 01:52:37.571
[SPEAKER_00]: They had them for half a day, man.
01:52:37.591 --> 01:52:38.312
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just one of those acting.
01:52:38.332 --> 01:52:39.153
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant actor.
01:52:39.833 --> 01:52:41.154
[SPEAKER_01]: But he'll do your movie.
01:52:41.474 --> 01:52:42.935
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll take the paycheck.
01:52:42.955 --> 01:52:45.857
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's been ending on how dignified the movie is.
01:52:46.257 --> 01:52:47.839
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much effort he'll put into it.
01:52:47.899 --> 01:52:49.560
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't blame him for that.
01:52:50.542 --> 01:52:52.623
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, say yeah, young Washington.
01:52:52.643 --> 01:52:56.044
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, the, the actor who plays Washington, he's, he's pretty good.
01:52:56.064 --> 01:52:58.784
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope this doesn't hurt as much because I think he could do something.
01:52:58.864 --> 01:53:01.085
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, it's way bad.
01:53:01.765 --> 01:53:02.345
[SPEAKER_00]: That's quite bad.
01:53:02.405 --> 01:53:03.265
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a variety of levels.
01:53:03.486 --> 01:53:03.766
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:53:03.806 --> 01:53:06.066
[SPEAKER_01]: And on that note, it is time to wrap up the podcast.
01:53:06.086 --> 01:53:10.868
[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to review our movies on a scale of C minus to C plus the lowest rating.
01:53:10.888 --> 01:53:12.408
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can get is a C minus.
01:53:12.428 --> 01:53:13.728
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are movies that we do not recommend.
01:53:14.589 --> 01:53:17.129
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't think overall they're worth recommending.
01:53:17.149 --> 01:53:17.809
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we hate them.
01:53:17.829 --> 01:53:19.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we just think they kind of stink a little bit.
01:53:20.645 --> 01:53:23.048
[SPEAKER_01]: those are weakings, we could probably label bad movies.
01:53:23.649 --> 01:53:24.810
[SPEAKER_01]: A C is an average movie.
01:53:24.850 --> 01:53:28.755
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a movie that, you know, some people might like it more than others, maybe it's probably just a mixed back.
01:53:29.236 --> 01:53:37.166
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a C plus is a movie that we genuinely recommend, maybe we simply like it a lot, maybe we think it's the best movie ever, anywhere in that zone, you gotta C plus.
01:53:37.647 --> 01:53:38.147
[SPEAKER_01]: On that note.
01:53:39.116 --> 01:53:41.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Young Washington, see mine it, say it's quite bad.
01:53:41.297 --> 01:53:42.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so on.
01:53:42.377 --> 01:53:45.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad and multiple levels, uh, nightmares, nightmares.
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:49.220
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I see, I think it's, uh, memorable.
01:53:49.280 --> 01:53:52.282
[SPEAKER_00]: It's off, uh, off, uh, off-kilter, off-center.
01:53:52.722 --> 01:53:53.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:53:53.362 --> 01:53:53.962
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I saw it.
01:53:54.343 --> 01:53:57.544
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not, not a stone-cold classic, but, you know, okay.
01:53:57.844 --> 01:53:58.665
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good.
01:53:58.685 --> 01:54:00.787
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, interesting, erotic thriller with a good angle.
01:54:00.967 --> 01:54:01.288
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:54:01.328 --> 01:54:03.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Anola Holmes 3, a dispassionate C-minus.
01:54:03.831 --> 01:54:07.014
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like terrible, but it does not work.
01:54:07.234 --> 01:54:12.540
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially compared to the previous two, which are very solid, very energetic, very entertaining.
01:54:14.602 --> 01:54:15.443
[SPEAKER_01]: Just paper movies.
01:54:15.663 --> 01:54:16.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they function.
01:54:16.623 --> 01:54:22.846
[SPEAKER_01]: This one doesn't so see minus gale do-tree and the celebrity sex pass I was amused.
01:54:22.866 --> 01:54:25.407
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna give it a say it is by no means a comedy class.
01:54:25.507 --> 01:54:35.411
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really sloppy But I found the sloppyness to be a little bit charming, and I like the guys from the state I like the they I like their type of humor, so I was on board with this one.
01:54:35.591 --> 01:54:36.632
[SPEAKER_00]: All right evil dead burn
01:54:37.913 --> 01:54:48.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going back and forth on this one because I do think it's incredibly effective, but I had such a miserable time watching it.
01:54:48.839 --> 01:54:51.001
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the photography is quite bad.
01:54:51.061 --> 01:54:56.124
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the script and the thing, the lighting is bad, but the camera work is great.
01:54:56.764 --> 01:55:00.946
[SPEAKER_00]: The cinematography, the actual visual aspect of it is a little weak.
01:55:02.567 --> 01:55:04.408
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's also incredibly powerful.
01:55:04.428 --> 01:55:05.589
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I'm going to give it a seat plus.
01:55:05.829 --> 01:55:06.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:55:06.450 --> 01:55:09.131
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's definitely going to stay with me.
01:55:09.352 --> 01:55:09.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:10.072 --> 01:55:10.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:10.532 --> 01:55:11.153
[SPEAKER_01]: It's another one.
01:55:11.273 --> 01:55:15.896
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a movie where this kind of horror movie is not going to appeal to a lot of people.
01:55:16.056 --> 01:55:20.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's kind of like a session where like they're just really mean movies.
01:55:21.019 --> 01:55:23.020
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some people where that's the horror they like.
01:55:23.360 --> 01:55:27.903
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other people who have zero interest in that and if that's you, this is probably going to be a sea mine is to you.
01:55:27.923 --> 01:55:28.384
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me.
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:46.271
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for me it averages out to a high sea like this is not quite a full-throated recommendation, but I appreciate what they're going for and I think they get close enough there and even though it's more harsh than I typically like, this particular kind of movie I think they're going for it on purpose and they're more or less succeeding.
01:55:46.511 --> 01:55:47.172
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:47.372 --> 01:55:48.613
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, thank you for the high sea.
01:55:49.674 --> 01:55:50.574
[SPEAKER_01]: Minions and monsters.
01:55:51.135 --> 01:55:51.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Also a scene.
01:55:52.476 --> 01:55:53.897
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like its mad cap nature.
01:55:53.917 --> 01:56:00.803
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the fact that it's barely a movie kind of hangs together by its own comedic moxie and I think the minions are amusing.
01:56:00.863 --> 01:56:02.844
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was amused to see.
01:56:04.005 --> 01:56:06.027
[SPEAKER_01]: I was briefly amused and then it was bored.
01:56:07.008 --> 01:56:08.849
[SPEAKER_01]: So while I can respect
01:56:09.550 --> 01:56:21.783
[SPEAKER_01]: what they were going for and I appreciate the intent to mad cap and I can appreciate all of the film critic friendly references that feel like they were specifically designed to get us to finally give the movie a pass.
01:56:22.263 --> 01:56:23.445
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get a high sea minus.
01:56:23.625 --> 01:56:25.707
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I don't have any of a mocity towards it.
01:56:25.727 --> 01:56:26.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it works.
01:56:27.469 --> 01:56:28.450
[SPEAKER_01]: And then lastly, Moana.
01:56:28.909 --> 01:56:31.011
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see mine us.
01:56:31.171 --> 01:56:31.672
[SPEAKER_00]: It's useless.
01:56:32.012 --> 01:56:32.973
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not addressing anything.
01:56:32.993 --> 01:56:33.774
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not saying anything.
01:56:33.814 --> 01:56:35.155
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not interesting to look at.
01:56:35.175 --> 01:56:37.918
[SPEAKER_00]: The songs are the same ones you know.
01:56:39.259 --> 01:56:45.225
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too recent to the original and if you're just going to remake it with pretty much the same script, do something interesting and they didn't.
01:56:45.685 --> 01:56:46.086
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
01:56:46.466 --> 01:56:47.587
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it falls down everywhere.
01:56:47.627 --> 01:56:49.229
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustratingly redundant.
01:56:49.629 --> 01:57:09.029
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the cast is giving it like a lot of effort, and I think some of them are genuine like great, but it's in the service of complete pointlessness other than, you know, I mean, good for you for making the movie, I guess, but like there's a certain point where like a general sort of baseline competence,
01:57:10.710 --> 01:57:35.788
[SPEAKER_01]: no longer feels competent like it's just it's not enough to justify the movie's existence so while it is far from the worst Disney live action remake it is also not good I don't get any of the sea minus as well alright that is it for critically acclaimed it will be back next week of the review of the Odyssey it's right the Odyssey is coming out the new Christopher Nolan movie about let me check my notes here
01:57:36.848 --> 01:57:37.689
[SPEAKER_01]: Space Odyssey.
01:57:37.849 --> 01:57:38.549
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, space Odyssey.
01:57:38.570 --> 01:57:38.910
[SPEAKER_00]: No shit.
01:57:39.170 --> 01:57:39.350
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:57:39.911 --> 01:57:41.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Homer's Space Odyssey.
01:57:42.493 --> 01:57:44.975
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Mediterranean is a certain amount of space.
01:57:45.255 --> 01:57:49.779
[SPEAKER_00]: From the days of pre-literage Greece, I'll just have to go and pretend I can't read.
01:57:52.081 --> 01:57:53.762
[SPEAKER_01]: And other things as well, I assume.
01:57:53.942 --> 01:57:54.963
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01:58:36.083 --> 01:58:37.845
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greetings friends welcome back to critically acclaimed the film review podcast where William goes to great lengths to Mix in an explosion at the beginning of every show Well done William.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give him a round of applause.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to hike three miles every episode up I'll go both ways
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's on a hill and you see everything is on a hill both ways that you see light I don't know how they do and um My name is what you saw all I'm a film critic I am senior staff writer over at slash film with me as always is my far more intelligent and talented co-host William introduce yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am more intelligent and talented and sexy my name is William Bibbiani
00:54.012 --> 01:00.116
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic, I read for the rap and I am never going to respond to that comment that way again.
01:00.196 --> 01:03.698
[SPEAKER_01]: That felt weird to just say I am better than you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no, no, no.
01:06.920 --> 01:08.161
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're the star of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lie and you know it.
01:09.682 --> 01:12.123
[SPEAKER_00]: But at any case, I'm the gym to your Merlin Perkins.
01:12.143 --> 01:13.204
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who they are.
01:13.364 --> 01:14.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, my name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm gonna be on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna move you got a show and we're gonna review a whole bunch of movies We're gonna be reviewing the live-action remake of Moana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe it's been 10 years already?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can We've got the new minions movie with minions and monsters We've got the new evil dead movie in which evil dead, and let me check my notes here
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[SPEAKER_01]: burn uh... we've got gale dotry and the celebrity sex pass now that's a comedy do up that's one movie uh... we've got inola homes three that is also one movie but it is the third movie of the three movies but it is the one
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Night Nurse, which I assume stars Rosario Dawson as a character from the Daredevil show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it does nothing to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's an erotic thriller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then no eroticism, no thrills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got young, Washington, the new movie,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an angel film, it's an angel studio, it's about George Washington in some way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you like to talk about first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we usually talk about the biggest movie at the box office, and we missed a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, the box office has been pretty disappointing the last couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two movies, which were expected to be huge blockbusters because the franchise movies, their kids movies,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get for a kid to get a part of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to re calibrate our thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This idea that the big IP franchise movies, that's millennial thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to put that behind us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we can't put it entirely behind us because sometimes they do good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we story five did fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's true but a lot of the things we are expecting to do well aren't and haven't been for quite some time so we can start speaking of them as sort of like the final twitches of a dying corpse yeah it's like oh no the the latest superhero film didn't do well of course didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: than I'm going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every once in a while you're going to get a blip, but yeah, so I don't didn't expect the remake of Moana to overwhelm audiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect a lot of these sequels to do as well as they might have a decade ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we don't do box office here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sometimes relevant, but usually it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that again, and we've said there's multiple times in the last few months, because I think we've hit an inflection point,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the old paradigm, the old safety net for Hollywood is no longer working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer is safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the things that they have trained themselves to rely upon, and I'm old enough to remember before it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember the rise and I remember to send and see and now it's contracting and I don't think it's not surprising that it would eventually
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we, there was, there's a certain blissful ignorance of history in which everyone assumes that their generation is better, more important, the first we love is going to last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think a lot of people thought that, and honestly, we were overdue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the superhero way of the 80s nostalgia way of these things had been really been carrying us for a very long time, uh, but I think there's something different going on here with these two movies, Midians and Monsters and Volana, because those are not nostalgia IP those are relatively recent IP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Minions has only been around since despicable me, which is like 15 years old, and Volana has only been around for about 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are seeing is that the studio is making these movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to do for relatively recent movies, what had worked for older movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even something, even like Lilo and Stitch felt a little soon, but like that made money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People did have nostalgia for Lilo and Stitch that was a certain novelty in seeing it in live action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That movie did find last year, but I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there needs, it's that 20 year gap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That 20 year in nostalgia rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unless you're doing like a total, sorry, excuse me, a bump into the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you're doing a total reboot, new cast, new direction, you might be able to get away with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just flat out, doing a remake or doing a live action remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or even a crypto.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just no guarantee that that's going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so minions, you know, I don't think anyone can say that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There hasn't been enough minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of pop culture to sort of embrace of the millions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People dress in like the minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're part of the firmament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, good for them, but there are a new minions movie is not in and of itself an event anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Moana in particular is a frustrating example, because not only is it a live action remake of a movie that's like 10 to 11 years old now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meaning that the children who saw marijuana in theaters are mostly still children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they have kids of their own now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been 11 year old and this was released in the original.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was released in his lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The this Moana remake is the latest in a trend that began kind of an earnest in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the release of Alice in Wonderland directed by Tim Burton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually a sequel, but it had the same title and it was sold as sort of like a live action rematch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The live action reboot of the same, same kind of a sequel to the animated film from 1954.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Moana is the first in this remake trend to be a remake of a movie that came out after the remakes were already a trend, which is a weird distinction to have, and it might be the only thing that makes this film distinct at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not only a remake of a movie that came out after the remake trend had been going in earnest for a while, it's not even like it was right on the cusp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it's also a movie that is a remake of a movie that had a sequel a year ago to music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They made over a billion dollars and they're still making another sequel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like we've gone phallow in the Moana department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no need that this is addressing the only thing, and I'm watching the credits from Moana, the new one and I'm thinking to myself, all these people got work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy all these people got work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that it's a cast of, you know, self-acific islanders and people who normally do not get to headline these kinds of movies during the rock shots and that was standing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they got paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they got their time in the spotlight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the cast in this movie is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a, it's called,
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is different from a glass ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glass ceiling is the thing that prevents, you know, non-strait white males from cisgender males from like achieving anything in an industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The glass cliff is a phenomenon that describes when, um, finally letting people who don't normally get to run things or headline things or makes these movies, finally letting them take the spotlight, take charge
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right when the trend or right when the industry is dying out So that if it succeeds, it's pretty minimal and if it fails they get to blame That's like people saying like super gold didn't make money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well girl movies in super movies don't work
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the whole genre was already off the edge of the cliff when the superman came.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really frustrating film for this to happen with because
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, a lot of great people are growing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's super cool, but it's super cool as well, but honestly, mostly Moana, because I think there's a lot of earnestness, a lot of think a genuine attempt, at least on the part of the cast, to try to make this a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only is the trend dying, but the movie itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty fucking inert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is happening in this film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's not even visually interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's really quite dull.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There, it's the, I walked out and the first film that I could think of, the kind of analogy was like a Star Wars prequel film from the early 2000s, from before the original Mowana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, I was thinking of a tack of the clones, which the one that really started to lean into digital photography a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way director George Lucas shot that film was he shot live action actors against a blue screen backdrops and then composited in digital environments or had them talking to other digital characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the actors were kind of in this neather space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where the sort of background was just sort of shifting behind them and the way George Lucas blocked those scenes was like the simplest most boring way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like all in mid-close ups, shot rever, like start with a master of two, do a shot rever shot to do the really boring dialogue and then cut to the next scene and then of course the next scene is fully animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has, you know, spaceships and robots all flying around in the camera, spinning everywhere, and yet somehow that's also really boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just too much visual information too quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no all or wonder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that stuff doesn't gel together very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was incredibly stayed a stagey, a really just kind of generically filmed dialogue sequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're, it's like, there's so impatient to get to this CGI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That stuff is going hog wild, and it doesn't really match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It comes, creates this weird painting quality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, and that's my issue with this new Moana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, the, a lot of it is, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The live action actors are live action.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have Dwayne Johnson, Represhing his role as Maui.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets to wear a big long wig.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has no nipples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wears like this rubber torso.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're hiding it behind, like, like, tattoo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's many, many, many tattoos, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carthorn Lungaya is the the lead actress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She plays Marana, and she's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's confident in a production of this size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's holding nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's holding a lot of the movie is just a duo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just her and Dwayne Johnson and Dwayne Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe not the greatest actor in the world, but he's charming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to hold the camera's gaze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to be fun on screen and
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it takes someone who is very skilled at matching or countering his energy to really excel, alongside Duane Johnson, someone like Jason, say the same for example, is the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like not really why he's a actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get someone like a central intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Hart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go, they were good together, they were really good together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might not think so because Kevin Hart is usually very high energy, but he actually brought it down a lot to work with Drain Johnson, they kind of met in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were actually in central intelligence, they were actually like playing characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Drain Johnson was like a little bit of an awkward boy scout character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kevin Hart was a little bit more erasable and relaxed, and that's very underrated film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It works better than you think it's not to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something like central intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like Katherine Laga, I am this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it lungaia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on KSRW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We listened to interviews where she pronounced it herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, I'm lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good to know these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the plot of Moana, if you miss the original, if you don't know it, it is ancient Polynesia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a small village that is on a reef surrounded by coral reefs, and they never leave the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an island, and yeah, they do not leave the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside the island, there's a lot of danger, and everyone says, very comfortable being there, and they've achieved an equilibrium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't need to go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're feeling good,
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[SPEAKER_01]: A sort of a rot, a disease, an infection in the environment has started ruining the fish and ruining their crops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all going to die, and Moana, who is a young, the teenage daughter of the chief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: decides to go off on an adventure she's going to leave the island in an attempt to return a magical stone which is actually the heart of a god and this stone was stolen by a demigod named amally played by Dwayne Johnson and she's going to team up with him in order to bring it back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says he's a mighty warrior and a bit of a trickster god and she can use his skills and
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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to redeem himself because he's the one who stole it in the first place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of fuck that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not acknowledge that what he did was wrong because it wasn't doing that at first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They spent a lot of time on a catamaran.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She sails to an island where he's been imprisoned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You break off together and then it's a funny picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, Mr. Wencher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, they fight a lava monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, I really like the original Milana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the original Milana is a genuinely great modern Disney film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it holds together extremely well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The music, the Lin-Bad Mila Miranda isn't always on his A game when he does a Disney movie, but he was this, and in Canta, words like the two where he was really,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really motivated if I don't know if those really passionate about it, and I think all of the songs original moan are quite excellent And they're recreated here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a new song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does play over the closing credits I'm just glad they didn't shoehorn it in awkwardly like the Pelican rap in the little mermaid Remember that we're a scuddle the Pelican or the sea though Had a rap song about how to listen to the let me tell you about the scuddle but Yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't work, but here, it's, it's, I don't know, true, so it's over the 12th and 13th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The story is still kind of functional, but it's just, there's so many movies that have like troubled histories, like working with water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right like water world is the most notorious example where they filmed the entire the idea was it's the post-apocalypse the whole world is covered in water and people are on ships and floating cities and everyone's trying to find the last dry land on the planet which nobody knows where it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the entire floating city, sank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a building who's set every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it was really, really, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay gonna expense hotels as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the water is really costly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real fucking pain in the ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get that and I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, what you get in return is that it looks great, water world
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, titanic, titanic, even even like a small scale thriller, like dead calm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these are movies where it feels like you're on the water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you're on the ocean, the way the light dances off of the water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that there is no shade, it's completely sweaty and you feel like everything you can taste the salt in the air and the water feels real because the water
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[SPEAKER_01]: in Moana, I know there's some scenes in this which they clearly shot on some water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of this movie looks like it was on a raft in a tank and a soundstage against the green screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they even look like it was in a raft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like there was no water at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like they're on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of like slightly off balance kind of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are several scenes where Moana is thrown into the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the water is also alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ocean is like this living thing that obeys Moana, she has some sort of magical power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when she's thrown into the water, the water can sort of lift her up and put her back on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she is thrown in the water for comedic effect multiple times, the water rescues her and she's deposited back on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dry they put like some maybe oils in her hair to make it look kind of damp But I didn't get the sense that there was any kind of actual Sense of the natural world and any of this yeah, and this is the live action right exactly this is this should be the appeal is that we get to see like Here is what it would look like in real physical space you know and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like even when we're on locations that feel like they're very, very real, the island of Motonui is where she's from, you know, that's clearly an island somewhere, they clearly film that and yet there's this opening musical number where everyone in town sings and it's a good musical number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty standard, you know, introducing everyone to the narrative in the world and the backstory kind of thing, but it works and it just never looks like we're
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[SPEAKER_01]: behind-em-hotel somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It probably would be behind Alalani resort, which is the, oh, I would not be surprised, but it looks unremarkable, it looks fake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even in like shots, we're like a whole bunch of people are dancing, the movie doesn't pull back enough to show you the dancing, which is odd because the director, whose name is, what is it, Cade, Thomas Cade, I believe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Thomas Cade or Cale, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a failed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the pro-shock Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a theater guy and you would think as a theater director, he would be a little bit more keen to Stage the musical numbers in a more innovative way, but he does or at least there's a way that shows them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah How he gets to sing his number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That it a lot of you know CGI Filigree is all over the screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but when they're on the ocean, it's all animated They have an animated chicken sidekick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an animated game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get a real chicken
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, we have those it's easy enough to get a chicken, but no the animated the chicken to make it look more like it did in the original animated version Which makes you want my mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene that it comes out of nowhere, but at least there's a little bit more portent and pacing to introduce these characters, but these little
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coconut demons that sort of appear on this gigantic ship out of the mist and an attack, and this they appear out of nowhere than they vanish into nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just this big CGI mess of a sequence that comes out of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They go to fight a lava monster that's all CG.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ocean is CG.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crab monster, Tomatoa, voiced again by Jimaine Clement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's CG in a very CG environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the parts of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the parts in CG, like when they're fighting Tomatoa, that's a fun monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun local, lots of bioluminescence around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cool looking kind of thing in a vacuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it were past a little better or staged like a little, it's an extra sequence that's in the middle of a musical number and I wish it was one or the other and I'm both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing about this film functions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can look back over some of these other Disney live action remakes and try to sus out what they're trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of them are essentially trying to address modern criticism of older movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In, like you go online, you might find a number of essays about how beauty in the beast is about Stockholm's syndrome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to address that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they remade this movie so that angle isn't quite as sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you train your dragon?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not Disney, but the people always ask why do all the Vikings have Irish accents?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, it's got a Shaxense guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not on top of it today, but why do they all have not Norse accent, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they threw in, and it was basically a couple of lines of dialogue, because this island is like the earth's last defense against dragons who live in like towards the north, people send their like greatest warriors from everywhere in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that explains why
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did a whole movie for one line of that lock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I mean There's no other reason that movie is completely redundant otherwise Cinderella Kenneth Bronamade's Cinderella Actually one of the remakes I kind of like um because it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the issues is why would the prince and Cinderella fall in love?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They never met.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in this movie, they actually have some chemistry and some scenes before the big ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They organically include some extra characterization for the wicked stepmother, so you understand where she's coming from and yet she's still wicked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, they're a little bit more mercenary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They remade Aladdin because the original was about Persian characters, played by white actors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they decided to cast characters or actors a Persian to say, you're writing a wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was always wrong, and now it's a good time to do it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to do it, do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moana has no, it hasn't been in the public consciousness long enough to accrue that kind of intergenerational criticism, a new generation hasn't come up to re-litigate Moana and for this remake to address that criticism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, a lot of there's other movies, criticisms were right there at the beginning, but people weren't really giving a lot of, right there, let's remake Dumbo, but keep the racism out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People did complain about Aladdin when it came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just weren't given as much space in the periodicals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yes, no, and that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moana works as a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason to remake Moana other than money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason to go see the new Moana because it was so recent and because you're doing so little with it, that there's no appeal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, while though this is, I would say this is far from like the worst, Disney live action remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's certainly worse worst ones that have been come out of the beauty in the bases worse I think a lot of the changes that they made are extremely ill-advised and hurt the story even more than it already had been This one's like It's kind of baseline competent, which just makes it seem all the more pointless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't really try anything
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy everyone involved in this movie got paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm genuinely happy I'm looking up at this and like there's a story and I was trying to look it up and it got kind of overtaken by other similar stories that happened later but Michael Bay when he was making the Transformers movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and people, it's easy to forget now because the franchise collapsed, but those first like four were like billion dollar movies, they were nearly huge, and they were critically popular, but audiences flocked to them, they were very popular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, even Michael Bay, who was not considered a particularly thoughtful or artistically ambitious filmmaker, even he got tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after like the third one, he was ready to just set it aside and do something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to make a pain and gain his co-in brothers' esk crime comedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the story goes that someone at Paramount said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: quit making transformers movies because every time you make a transformers movie like thousands of people in this industry get work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like it's an industry or industry on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as long as they always kept making money, he kept kind of coming back to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And on one hand, I almost respect that because there's a certain, you know, I'm doing this to like make sure everyone has food on their table kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can respect that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't make them move even better, but I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some films even go so far and to show in their credit credits, how many people it employed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like at the end, I'll say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This movie will avoid 103,000 people or however, like a huge number of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, I'm glad just to show you the money, but like, this isn't a waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The money went somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And glad, I'm glad that that's here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not film criticism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that is capitalism sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad someone's making a living because most of us aren't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether somebody got paid or not, this movie sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am responsible for how the movie we're talking about, how the movie turned out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm responsible for how it hits me as an audience member.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whatever good came of the production, I'm happy for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's not great like a best it's mediocre but it's mediocrity is so pointless that it gets downgraded I think the bad yeah yeah so it's not it's not saying anything it's not doing anything all I can see is the cynicism all I can see is the the bland artistic lack of effort yeah and uh maybe the rocks ego
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, kind of power in this thing the fact that he wanted to play Maui again, maybe this was his response to well black Adam didn't do so well So I'm I'm going to give credit to two actors on this thing besides Dwayne Johnson who I think are genuinely like Like genuinely deserve credit one is Catherine Lungaia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's you know, she's new and I think she's a very convincing star and I hope
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[SPEAKER_01]: that this movie underperforming doesn't prevent her from getting other chances because she's good and I would like to see her do a role that has less baggage with it and like let her make it her arm because that's got to think she can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also the one person who I honestly think is improving on the original.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grammar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rina Owen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: New Zealand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a filmmaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right for warriors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rina Owen from once more is an actor from New Zealand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She, no one told her this was a sellout picture, like no one told her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is giving 110% to a character who is in many respects basically dump in exposition at the beginning, but her relationship with the protagonist with
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She actually sells it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every time she's on screen, it feels like a real movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And good for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish all the actors had done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think some of them are doing what was asked of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there aren't that many actors in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a significant role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, Rina Owen just shows that like, you know, if everyone tried this hard, we could have had something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catherine Lungaio, Rina Owen, and to a lesser extent Dwayne Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think he's doing what the part needs, but it doesn't need that much from him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much in his wheelhouse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing their jobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dwayne Johnson's wig isn't doing its job, but Dwayne Johnson is doing his job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the other supporting actors, they don't have much to do, but they're doing their best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the filmmakers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the director, it's the screenwriters, they're not trying to make this something worth seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's deeply frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a weird relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a weird relationship to minions and monsters, specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know somebody involved?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the movie itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I had a meaningful connection to anyone involved, I wouldn't be reviewing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the minions were introduced and then we'd be despicable me as the get this minions of a supervillain named grew and all of his little henchmen were these weird
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yellow banana guys who spoke gibberish, they got our two eyes and that original despicable me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had assumed that grew made those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He grew them in a lab to serve as his like, is it slight?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like little monsters, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got real Gremlin energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what are the Gremlins where mostly Gizmo?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But occasionally did
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were the breakout characters from that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People just love to see them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hard to be angry when you see a minion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of a fun little little uh uh anarchy monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the concept of the minions because there's something kind of subversive in their origin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We learned in the movie minions, which is just about the creatures that they if
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[SPEAKER_00]: evolved to their perfect state like in the Mesozoic era, they haven't evolved since, they're like sharks, and they exist to ensure that destruction and chaos and villainy persist in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is very weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's symbiotic species really where they provide support to whatever feels like sort of the alpha predator, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever is like the meanest thing out there and they're essentially supposed to help them and in exchange they are taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not good at their jobs and they always end up getting their overlord killed but then they go
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always hated that origin story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that origin story is an extremely bad idea because, and they finally, people finally fucking caught onto this recently, I might add.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I finally saw interviews with the makers of minions and monsters, where someone asked the question that I have been asking ever since the movie Minions introduced this idea of their origin story, which is, with the minions have followed Hitler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they addressed that in that first minions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they served Napoleon, and they killed Napoleon so badly that they decided to hide and cave until the 1960s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, again, doesn't solve them, that's why they're not around serving Hitler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, that's a terrible excuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's their excuse, but that's a terrible excuse, because you know what that excuse says?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they weren't in that cave, they would have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not a great thing for the fun protagonists of your kids movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is a very weird, and you add that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like this is some mythological canon you have to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You made that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They served villains and in the first despicable me, they served villains who were from like James Bond movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of cartoonish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're also serving Napoleon, how many French people, how many Russians have they murdered?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think they brought it a lot of people over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they served Dracula, did they capture young brides and feed them to him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been called a question, that's people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, tons of horrible things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's a great premise for their backstory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It raises a lot of shitty questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want to bother for a cartoon comedy, which you would have seen in Anomaniacs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, I'm just saying that in Anomaniacs, they would have been the villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would have been funny useless villains when they went in the villains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have, no, I think the minions would have, like, you can picture Jaco Waco and Dot, saying, hey, Dracula, we want to get a job with you, and they just sort of like, prod at them and make fun of them throughout the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they wouldn't be doing it because he's evil and killed people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they would be doing it because there's something kind of fun and subversive about the minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the minions are doing it because they're evil and kill people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a weird relationship with the minions where I find them cute and charming and I do not trust them at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna want to meet them, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, I think they are genuinely terrible people by definition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a weird choice that they made and so I'm often kind of, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of far afield of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find a little bit strange is that the minions have become just sort of this marketing bananas and their products now, that any of that subversion has gone away because the minions are essentially just children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're distracted by bananas and nachos and hopscotch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can maybe take a little bit of comfort in the facts that even though they are driven to serve wicked people They repeatedly murder those people so evolutionarily speaking maybe their function is to rid the world of evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay If they served Hitler like that, they would have pushed Hitler downstairs by accident and said oops and moved on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that interpretation that they are serving kind of a Darwinian Yeah, like in order to kind of balance that you have you have to go through You have to defeat your own minions in order to succeed as a villain I feel like the despicable meme movie specifically those movies not the minions spin off
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first movie in particular is a story about a bad guy who becomes a good guy because he gets to death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the end of adopting children for a sneaky scheme, but then he ends up actually loving them and becoming a good dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he and both, and all of his henchmen minions and his like mad scientist friend, whatever, they kind of go along with that and they gradually become better people over the course of those movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like that was sort of like the minions' redemption arc and then we have to go back in time and see them trying to be wicked again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: weird stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the new one, Minions and Monsters, is a little different because, again, movies are historical pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them are historical pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This one in particular,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you made the point that in minions they specifically said the minions were like hiding in a cave until like 1960, not these minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a totally different group of minions that were around that whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have served Kaiser Wilhelm in this universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This takes place in specifically in between May and August of 1929, because they mentioned the Oscars were already a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the first Oscar ceremony was held in May of 1929, but it was before the crash of that same year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're done a very narrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like a, this movie, or I guess that was an October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a five month period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When this movie took place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we see them in ancient Greece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's urban polyphemous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who we will see again soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Cyclops from the Odyssey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'll be back in minions and monsters as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played by Bill Irwin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then in the name movie, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something we can also not not in minions and monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to bring it back around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to anime nex this movie feels like an anime nex episode it's it's riffing more than it is telling a story because there's a lot of just random shit in this movie and there's a lot of references kids will not get there's a lot yeah a lot of adult references that are kind of out of a Warner Brothers cartoon and it's all told by an unreliable narrator played by Alison Janney she's taking people on a tour of a film museum there's all these kind of a fun artifacts in the museum George Blucus is one of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she says, oh, and it turns out the minions specifically these ones are responsible for pioneering a lot of important elements of film history and of course No one in the tour group knows that as you said no one ever told you how the minions were the most important things in the history of cinema
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, they show the women getting off of work, the old like Lumiere Brothers shorts, the train arriving at the station, the man on the horse, but there's minions in the background of all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They show George Milliers a trip to the moon and there's minions on screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a part of film history this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Except none of those happened because we find out canonically that the minions didn't join the film industry until 1929.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or but or did that but it but it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't care about this So like so the main gist is the minions were looking for a new bad guy while they're on their travels Travels looking for a new bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They see like a stage coach robbery or train robbery
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they see like the cool cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, evil cowboy, we're in a black hat and they say, oh, that must be our new guy and they run after the guy and they're trying to help him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know what the hell is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's scared of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turns into a huge, huge chase sequence in which they also rush by and knock over the house that nearly fell on Buster Keaton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's slipped through one of the windows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They knocked Charlie Chaplin into the machine from modern times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally the wrong year for that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But whatever,
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and it all turns out to be uh... a silent movie that they just stood for the real thing yeah the director is very very concerned that they were on their shot but the producers think the minions are very funny so they say higher those minions the director is played by uh... cristal vaults they should have just made him fawns throw high and that would have been fun i guess and
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[SPEAKER_01]: they also play the Warner Brothers, but they're not the Warner Brothers, whatever it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they hired the minions, the minions briefly become huge silent comedy stars, and then synchronized sound comes along and people finally realize the minions can't talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So their career's collapse, which is a real thing that happened, the legends of that happening are a little overstated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as universal a phenomenon as you might have thought, but certainly something like singing in the rain, popularized this idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That a lot of silent movie stars had really weird voices, and they couldn't make the transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not as true as people like to think it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the minions decide they're going to go independent and make their own movie in order to get themselves back into the industry because they kind of got used to living a life of luxury and like living out basically the movie Babylon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a way of making Fabeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then that's the first half of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the second half is they're gonna make a really big monster movie, like King Kong or Godzilla, but they used to work for a real sorcerer and they stole his Necronomicon and they raised Kathulu and Kathulu is a little guy played by Tray Parker and Tray Parker is gonna help him like raise other monsters and of course those monsters actually attack things in the second half of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have enough material for the inside Hollywood bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we tacked on the minions Halloween movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We probably had in the way developed and they don't fit great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't fit great, but again, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels a lot like if you remember those like Futurama movies, then they released those in four parts, it's like four different episodes, and then just released them all together, and they felt like really kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Disjoyed it as a real episode kind of felt like it's own thing even though it was kind of telling the one story Yeah, again, but I'm okay with that especially if you're so gag-heavy and especially with something so lightweight and strange as the minions There's an entire episode in this movie which is paying homage to science fiction movies of the 1950s And they run into a robot named Dort who you think is this guy, I believe I just see Eisenberg You think it's a guy at a suit at first
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's just a real robot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from outer space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he accidentally falls in love with someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like a deep plot in this huge thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has nothing to do with anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's not responsible for the monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not part of the Catholic plot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just sort of, yeah, he ties in somehow at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He shows up, but he gets to do something at the end, and the minions briefly think he might be their new their new leader, but he's not enough of a villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He acts like in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps threatening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take over the rules, but then he falls in love with a suffrage act, which is kind of adorable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just kind of cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the timeline for this is all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing with this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not, I have no animosity towards this movie, and you're done in like 85 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I know that I would hesitate to call it tightly constructed because I think the script is a mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not tight at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, but it's brief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a short jaunt at the movie theater with that is packed full of gags, and I can appreciate, and I can respect that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other worse minions movies that made me laugh more, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I respect a lot of the jokes in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed at almost none of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that high-speed chase at the beginning is pretty inspired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even then, I feel like I'm mostly preaching it as a film critic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason this particular minion's movie got like better critic reviews than any other minion's movie has a lot to do with the fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The silent film references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is full of nerd shit just for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw this, you know, they have press screenings for these things, but I missed mine and so I ended up seeing it opening day with a regular mainstream audience, no critics except for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and basically, I, I walk up to the movie theater and, you know, you get your ticket or you have it on your phone and you just want waiting to like walk up, show your thing to the person at the front, go get your seat and cut sometimes there's some people ahead of you and you're waiting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is probably a lowball estimate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're there together to see the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hit great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they get to go see a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they're excited to go see a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting very impatiently for some points to get through each other tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, to the movie theater, surrounded by all these families and their kids, and I watched the movie and for most of this movie, you could hear a fucking pin drop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not feeling it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The children were not laughing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something is off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel as though there's a certain sort of geeky fascination with itself that this movie has and it is taken over the chaos where the chaotic wildness, weirdness, the absolute bonkers duck and muck, looney tune, energy, that the previous movie's had feels comparatively reserved in this one and I feel like that is
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[SPEAKER_01]: not as electrifying as a piece of entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this one's actually stronger than the previous minion's movies, because it has more chaos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it actually is completely unhinged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a sentimental aspect to the previous Minions movies where they're trying to learn some kind of moral lesson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one they dispensed with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no movie at the core of this movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a bunch of wacky stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that better than trying to use these
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[SPEAKER_00]: chaotic marketing goblins as a means to try to tell us some kind of message about the strength of family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The despicable meme movies don't hit with me because of those kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care that grew as a good dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care that he is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think despicable me lost its way after the second one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the second one was pushing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like there was nowhere to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With despicable meme afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I like what actually was when they teased in one of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Young-group with these guys and they did have a young-group movie with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the rise of growth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah Yeah, that felt like where we live because grew is still kind of a little asshole and the minions are still supporting him for that reason They haven't learned to love yet
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[SPEAKER_00]: that feels like you can keep the franchise going with the adventures of young grew in the mids and because it's young grew as well kids can relate to many and maybe a little calvin and Hobbs time and and they've been doing the looney tunes thing the first minions was all these 1960s references uh rise of blue was all these 1970s references rather than do the 80s things which is played out they said why don't we just do the 1920s and do this weird sort of wacky thing with all these references to 1920s movies and yeah it reminds me of stuff like Hollywood steps out from the Warner Brothers
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no lesson for these people to these things to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know they don't evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's okay for them to just get into a big wacky monsters adventure, which is being told by somebody who is probably making it all up on the spot anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then there are several museum dosen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listen, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think...
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the chaos you're describing, it feels to me like you're saying that because the previous one's had something of a moral compass that that made them pop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gives me something a bit more of like a conventional structure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I feel like there replaced them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that this is like a despicable movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does have a tart in the right place, but despicable movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they've replaced the idea that this has to come to some kind of moral lesson conclusion
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[SPEAKER_01]: movie references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm the target demo for just movie references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I am discovering is that if your movie is too much like Babylon, you fucking lose me because I didn't have a lot of lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I get the sense of a certain amount of smug self-indulgence from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, is it bad?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, and in many respects, I can appreciate that this is somewhat better made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is somewhat, uh, uh, more mature as a production than a lot of the other minions movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell you the plot of at least one of the minions movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't tell you which one because I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've seen them all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was still funnier than this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember laughing at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it remember what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened was irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't laugh very much at this and I can't and I've been trying to explain why, but I think I've kind of hit a wall on it I think all you really need to say is I didn't laugh, it's not funny Well, no, because then I'm a shit critic, aren't I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to try to explain this for some reason why, like all we're doing really is describing our taste But we have to be articulate about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to explain why we have this taste
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[SPEAKER_01]: why our taste formed the way it did, so that if you like the movie and we didn't, you can only see where we came from or vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like saying it's just not funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I do have to explain why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at some point, you run into that thing where you're over thinking it, I just think thinking it through to a reasonable extent becomes
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[SPEAKER_01]: annoyingly academic when it comes to silly comedy because we appreciate it on such a guttural level that thinking it out isn't fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on because we are doing a very different kind of chaos grand-one movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new evil dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We!
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a new evil dad, isn't there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we had the three Sam-Rammy movies from 81 to 92, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first evil dead movie was done by Sam-Rammy Bruce Campbell and a couple of their friends in a cabin on the woods with
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[SPEAKER_01]: a whole lot of blood, a whole lot of moxie and oh money, what's a lot of it's a absolute just little miracle of indie filmmaking and it is extremely exuberant, it shows a ton of promise and talent
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sometimes way too mean-spirited for its own good and even Sam Raimi said he went too far sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I love about that first Evil Dead movie is that it's not so much about people surviving demon attacks in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bunch of actors surviving Sam Raimi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the villain of that piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all the only Evil Dead movies, the first, the Sam Raimi ones are Duck a Muck, the bring it up again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're Daffy Duck is trying to survive his own animator and Sam Raimi is just
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[SPEAKER_01]: he's the devil and he's sending his monsters out and sometimes the camera is the monster he literally physically attacks his aggers with the camera yeah and and the first one it's a horror movie and the second one it's a horror comedy because it's still a slapstick because it's still terrible and it's still scary and there's still a lot of shocks but the movie is letting you in on that joke more
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then army of darkness it's become a comedy yes it's got skeletons it's barely a horror comedy it's mostly a comedy yeah and i feel like at that point the reason why that movie feels like such a satisfying conclusion is because the protagonist played by Bruce Campbell went from being the victim
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the animator to being a cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just embracing his cartoonist and being a part of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stretched and turned into a cartoon guy by the third movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking of sort of Bruce Campbell getting a bunch of rubber skeletons thrown at him from off camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: him doing like kung-fu moves on pit monsters and that's how ridiculous and cartoony it is and a comparing it to evil dead burn yeah I'm thinking what the fuck has happened here because in 2013 they kind of restarted this series these three new movies aren't that closely connected
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some common common ground between them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all have the economic on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all about the book of the dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone reads from it and they raise these demonic beings that possess people's bodies, mutilate their bodies, try to drive people insane and kill them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's their only motivation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When, in order to the comedy development of the franchise, went back to the mean parts of the first one and said, what if we did that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if we just made it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to keep all of the Daredevil camera moves and the excitement and exuberance, but we're going to double down on just how scary it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I write that remake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that remake is effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the credits, they called, and they were of the 1981 film,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Raimi described his own movie as the ultimate experience in grueling horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the remake is trying to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the moxie that it takes to call your own movie that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The remake decided to roll in that direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ultimate experience in grueling horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least it's an intake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The movie isn't great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The characterization is very thin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of just...
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[SPEAKER_00]: really awesome totally gore like people by sacked in their tongs with utility knives and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, you're missing one part of it though, which is that in the original evil dad, why did they go to a cabin in the woods?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're, they're running at least a small pot and have sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make that, they added a little bit more motivation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, somebody who's trying to get clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of drugs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to a bunch of her friends are joining her in this really isolated place so that she can't get drugs from anywhere and they're going to stay with her the entire time while she detoxes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is, but then she's possessed, and now they can't be sure if she's, yeah, it's Esther if she's detox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is an interesting, I think that's an effective metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's overly melodramatic, I've heard it accused of that, but I think ultimately what we're talking about is, here is someone who is not in control of themselves, who feels compelled to do things that are damaging to themselves and damaging to others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna literalize that with a supernatural force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, premise, okay, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The follow-up, you've dead rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the end, somebody's getting chainsawed in the face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fine, honestly, well, it literally rains blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Evil Dead Rise, I need to revisit Evil Dead Rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a great experience watching Evil Dead Rise and it wasn't the movie's fault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Evil Dead Rise was still in that vein, where it is extremely punishing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is about a family who's living in an apartment complex that's about to get torn down and they're trying to stay together but their single mom is at the end of a rope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they find a recording of someone's reading the book of the dead and then mom is possessed by
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[SPEAKER_00]: Satan, monster, David, tries to kill her whole family and does a pretty damn good job of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And self-mutilation is a big theme in these movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're possessed by the evil dead, you're driven to, you're dead, you're a demon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, and now you're, you have access to all of the memories, I guess, of the person you possess, so they can sort of bring up things that are really painful to, uh, potential victims while they're slicing themselves up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's the theme that they sort of lean hardest in with Evil Dead Burn, this new film, which is, uh, really extreme, very, uh, poorly lit, at least there wasn't my screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a surprisingly dim movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it definitely could have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But uh, beefed up a little bit like- But I was kind of startled at just how fucking depressing the movie is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's grim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about domestic abuse and the cycles of abuse and how the demons in this one are leaning into how horrible that makes you feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so the basic setup here is that there's a woman she's married, he's a young woman, she's married to a young man and he is abusive to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He dies in a car crash,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he dies running over a deadite, which is what they call the demons in these movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a funeral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: his corpse still has the dead eye in it and it's in fact his own father and the entire family goes back to not a cabin in the woods but a house in the woods it's kind of rotting from within it hasn't been taken care of and since symbol for the domestic turmoil there in yeah and the idea is that before the the demon started attacking people and possessing people this this family was already going to hell yeah like not just like the the patriarch the dad
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[SPEAKER_01]: is clearly an abusive person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The mother has been trying you get the impression to keep it all together, but all she's really been doing is enabling and overlooking that abuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It led to a pattern in which their eldest son became abusive towards his wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one who just died and their youngest son
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[SPEAKER_01]: seems like a better person but over the course of the movie you realize he was probably well on his way to becoming a piece of shit as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone in this movie is either an abuser or a victim and a lot of the victims have been pushed so hard by the terrible situation that they're in that they're causing harm to others as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a vicious fucking movie before the monitor show up and unlike all the other evil dead movies, all of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the characters and other evil dead movies were jerks, but for the most part, all of those characters were just Rando's who happened to wander into a world of supernatural violence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This feels like Karmic justice happening to a lot of these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a meanness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their own evil is the thing that's in attracting the evil dead and they are possessed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They become demons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of incredible camera work in this, a couple of shots where like I was mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't pause it and go back and see how they did that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one terror gag that genuinely impressed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, whoa, it's a whole long elaborate shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the camera like pulls through a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you realize you were watching the entire thing in a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're watching it in 1v7.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Impressive like it pressively realized and a lot of the gore is very cool There's one bit which I haven't you know, you see a lot of gory movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see a lot of horror movie See a lot of people dead, but if you've seen it all before There's one bit I hadn't seen before which is there's a scene where someone is trapped in a chimney with a power saw
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I come and down at them from the chimney?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, ah fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cut to a shot of the fireplace below and guess what you got to see come through the fireplace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool cool cool Something very creative is done with the car headrest
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you are averse to violence to animals, you have to be one of some violence to animals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beware, yeah, that's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really, it's really brutal, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the whole movie is brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, that's my, kind of, my issue is the script is pointing to something a little wackier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene in the movie where somebody makes out with one of the corpses, and their reaction is you haven't kissed me like that in years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's a Looney Tunes moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a comedy moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about Looney Tunes, but it's certainly darkly humor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the movie is so not humorous in its tone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so dull and so bleak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That these scenes feel like a little bit mismatched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The script doesn't match what the filmmaker is doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like the script has a little bit more in common with something like data live, which was also about a terrible, you know, the most likely there's another other, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she is zombified, and her poor, uh, long-suffering sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought maybe in her death he would at least be free and then he could at least move on with his life And now it's so much worse back and he has to protect and he has to like protect her from people who find out that she's eating people And it all ends in like an incredible lawnmower scene, but like that's one that balances But that's a that's a cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a super boring, but it's a humor.
01:00:24.964 --> 01:00:29.907
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an emotional reality to it But it's so heightened that you can use it to mine it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can mine it for humor And I get not wanting to do that again
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, this movie is weirdly a verse to the silliness of some of its own gore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's committed to making it oppressive, and I think it does, I think it succeeds in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was the best choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that the filmmaker is named a Sebastian Vanachack, he did a movie a couple years ago called Infestate, which is really good, Infestate was really good, Infestate is a movie about people living in a building project in France who are neglected by their landlords and to suffer this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: giant spider invasion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah one of the one of the guys in the in the building is trying to like you know collect uh uh rare animals, lizards, insects, stuff like that, essentially maybe get himself out of this start his own like zoo or something uh and he ends up importing uh a very rare, extremely fucked-up spider that much in the vein of a rack nephobia starts breeding out of control but not only are there like millions of spiders in the house they're starting to get like the size of house cats like
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[SPEAKER_01]: really fucking big in a way that actually doesn't make any sense, but really works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but there's some interesting themes to that one because it is about the poverty, it is about the community, it ends the, and how people don't give a shit about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're all dying and everyone's just like, we'll just leave them in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you pointed this out to me, the original French title of infested was actually Verman, yeah, which was has a double meaning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Infested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of where the government is much more on the nose, where on one hand we're talking about an insect problem, on the other hand, we're talking about the way that people with money or the very least comfort.
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[SPEAKER_01]: look at people who are poor and see them as a problem to be dealt with and not human being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a real sense of anger in vermin that feels at slash infested which feels very justified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's just anger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's anger and it's depression and anger and it's abuse and the movie kind of argues that's and that's just the way the world clicks together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're trying to do some funny things with like a clueless grandma, but it doesn't play well because there's this really Like this is something like a horror scene that Michael Hannicky would have come up with where the dad is outside with a gun in his hand and just is repeatedly shooting himself Yeah, and like it's not
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to play that for laughs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like bleak laughs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What will he look at people dead too?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had to like chop up his own girlfriend because she was trying to kill him because he was infected by a monster and he couldn't help her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she rolls out of her grave and all of her pieces assemble and dance and mock him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not dissimilar to what's happening in this scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sebastian Vanichek really plays it like every gunshot is doing what a gunshot would do Yeah, there's no distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no I mean guys sees a lie that shouldn't that doesn't make sense But there's like there's no exaggerations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like that kind of palpable silly absurdity Sorry, not palpable palatable palatable palatable Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and here's the thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about something they clearly did intentionally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The filmmaker, even if he was somewhat at odds with the screenplay, the filmmakers clearly trying to make a very brutal fucked up evil dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, especially since the remake, that's a take on evil dead that feels, whether or not you like it, at the very least, is valid and there's precedent for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think of all the evil dead movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that feels the most evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that is the easily the most sinister in that Marcus Nyspull, Texas, Chainsaw, massacre remake kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's an audience for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are people who want really fucked up horror movies with a lot of despair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite my thing, but I can appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think on that level, this movie is pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boys at fucking vicious and I think people should at least be aware of that going in if you're expect even evil dead rise was funny compared to this and evil that rise is not that funny it just understands sometimes like there's that gag and evil dead rise where they've locked to the mom out of the apartment and they're looking through like the spiral people and they just see her like running off camera killing people and running back through again and they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a humor to that, they understand that this is in some way funny, and there's almost no humor to this one, which does feel oppressive, but is their point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they're wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're arguing that familial abuse is terrible and terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, it's very effective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the gore.
01:05:23.846 --> 01:05:25.367
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the gore is really gnarly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just sort of innovative in a way that I think a lot of movies kind of shy away from maybe something about the script's prevents it from being a little,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Too much like the nihilistic horror movies that we got in like the mid-2000s, which is this movie's most reminiscent of Yeah, the torture porn that you imagine that the remake of Texas chain saw like that that was from that era Absolutely it's a piece this is a throwback to that era of horror filmmaking You've heard of nostalgic for that Where everything is just fucking bleak all the time and the world is gonna ends then this one will fit you I mean, I can understand feeling like that connects right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really can
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like a good, bleak movie.
01:06:05.536 --> 01:06:09.759
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I need to sit with this one a little bit though, because I left the movie just completely bummed out.
01:06:09.879 --> 01:06:10.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is not what I expected from an evil dead picture.
01:06:13.741 --> 01:06:15.602
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, remember Army of Darkness?
01:06:15.783 --> 01:06:17.243
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:17.263 --> 01:06:30.372
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's a trick though, because when you go in having any expectation and the movie intentionally does something different, whether they're simply trying to defy expectation or whether your expectation was not on their mind and they're just trying to make their movie.
01:06:30.592 --> 01:06:30.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:32.386 --> 01:06:38.032
[SPEAKER_01]: You are, whether you realize it or not, or whether you're trying to or not, comparing it to the movie you had in your head.
01:06:39.013 --> 01:06:42.117
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you had your idea of what an evil dead movie was not this.
01:06:42.885 --> 01:06:46.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that it is called evil dead, at least set up my expectations.
01:06:46.768 --> 01:06:47.228
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong.
01:06:47.248 --> 01:07:00.337
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that you're being unreasonable, but if the movie doesn't operate that way, sometimes our first impression of it can be a little different than maybe our second impression once we know exactly what we're getting into.
01:07:01.218 --> 01:07:05.581
[SPEAKER_01]: And can judge it entirely on that level and not based on our sense of surprise.
01:07:07.077 --> 01:07:08.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it holds up better.
01:07:08.738 --> 01:07:09.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it holds up worse.
01:07:09.938 --> 01:07:11.519
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's like, well, at least there was an novelty.
01:07:11.539 --> 01:07:13.260
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, you look at again and I'm like, oh, no.
01:07:13.780 --> 01:07:16.281
[SPEAKER_01]: The novelty wore a fucking fast.
01:07:16.381 --> 01:07:22.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was way too fucking kind to the CGI remake of the Lion King.
01:07:22.843 --> 01:07:25.565
[SPEAKER_01]: When I first came up, I gave it like, it was like, you know what?
01:07:25.585 --> 01:07:29.746
[SPEAKER_01]: The photorealism is a bit of a novelty and I kind of gave it like a pass.
01:07:29.806 --> 01:07:33.528
[SPEAKER_01]: But on the rotten tomato scale, I think my review was still technically fresh.
01:07:34.495 --> 01:07:34.855
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:07:35.456 --> 01:07:49.609
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had reviewed it like two weeks later, I would have given it a flat-out negative because all of that animation after you've given it a couple of days to like think about like, oh yeah, that animation was novel.
01:07:49.869 --> 01:07:54.073
[SPEAKER_01]: It told the story very badly, but I was taking it back by it at first.
01:07:55.815 --> 01:08:01.720
[SPEAKER_01]: That can be a whole thing, but yeah, all right, that being something revisited at some point I actually really need to revisit Evil Dead Rise.
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.663
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch that under ideal condition sometime Because I feel like I should like that movie more than I do.
01:08:07.004 --> 01:08:20.414
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay Anyway moving on we've got a few movies that only one of us saw okay, even divide this time We've got to let's do a huge about face and why don't you tell me about gale do tree okay the celebrity sex tape
01:08:21.114 --> 01:08:21.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Sex pass.
01:08:22.354 --> 01:08:22.654
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
01:08:22.674 --> 01:08:23.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's pass.
01:08:23.315 --> 01:08:23.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity sex.
01:08:24.035 --> 01:08:24.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's it's called.
01:08:24.895 --> 01:08:26.895
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just mean that reading my own handwriting.
01:08:27.056 --> 01:08:28.076
[SPEAKER_01]: That's That's what I mean.
01:08:28.256 --> 01:08:29.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Sex tape would be the sequel.
01:08:29.596 --> 01:08:30.336
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
01:08:30.356 --> 01:08:31.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity sex tape.
01:08:31.237 --> 01:08:31.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:31.657 --> 01:08:34.477
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Zoe Deutsch plays Gail Dotrace.
01:08:34.537 --> 01:08:45.220
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a hairdresser from Kansas and she's about to get married and everything is peachy keen a square to a fault.
01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:45.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:08:45.980 --> 01:09:05.798
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this was uh... written and directed by the members of the state uh... most of the members of the state are in it uh... it was uh... written and directed by uh... can marina and david wane and directed by david wane yeah the the what how to america and some are team um... tomlin and carry kennie uh... can marina ogia literally all of these people are in it and they're very funny people
01:09:06.147 --> 01:09:24.385
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah oh yeah the the state is is fantastic um they did what i'm american summer and that's one of the funniest movies ever i think it's one of the funniest movies ever i love them this time around they're doing uh kind of slapstick sex driven riff uh it didn't you realize pretty early on that this is a riff on the wizard of awesome
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:32.363
[SPEAKER_00]: Gail do-tree if you cut up to her head is kind of like Dorothy Garyl, her best friend is auto, which is a banana grum with toto.
01:09:32.844 --> 01:09:33.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:09:33.964 --> 01:09:42.508
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's about to be married and she's such a, she's like Ned Flanders, she's like squared to the point where she doesn't even understand what vices are.
01:09:42.848 --> 01:09:44.849
[SPEAKER_00]: She's never left her small cans in town.
01:09:45.710 --> 01:09:53.013
[SPEAKER_00]: But she does, has, did one, once have a conversation with her fiance about the celebrity, the phenomenon of the celebrity sex path.
01:09:53.333 --> 01:09:55.415
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
01:09:55.575 --> 01:10:00.899
[SPEAKER_00]: If fidelity is expected, you can break that fidelity for one specific celebrity.
01:10:01.019 --> 01:10:09.186
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a situation that is so unlikely to come up, but if it came up, you couldn't in good conscience deny your partner, even in monogamous relationship.
01:10:09.626 --> 01:10:12.809
[SPEAKER_01]: The opportunity to have sex with their biggest celebrity crush.
01:10:13.049 --> 01:10:13.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:13.589 --> 01:10:16.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, personally, my take on the celebrity sex passes this.
01:10:17.747 --> 01:10:24.791
[SPEAKER_01]: If a celebrity wants to have sex with you, and you want to have sex with them, that's the past.
01:10:24.931 --> 01:10:25.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:25.371 --> 01:10:30.573
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few people who are like, I don't have sex with them, but like, I don't think you probably would if I'm dating you.
01:10:30.593 --> 01:10:35.836
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you would be like, like, ooh, this creepy canceled guy, like, no, I don't think you would go for it.
01:10:35.856 --> 01:10:37.877
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you,
01:10:38.237 --> 01:10:57.299
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, if I was dating someone and they were like and they have a huge crash on Keanu Reeves And if that ever came up, they'd like to fuck Keanu Reeves I'd be like great and maybe you don't have a crush on Ben Affleck Ben Affleck If that comes up, I'm not gonna deny you that story.
01:10:57.459 --> 01:10:57.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
01:10:58.410 --> 01:11:09.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it and it can go like way down the list like you're the guy who like team third on your favorite reality show Still marvel I'm not gonna get in your way.
01:11:09.278 --> 01:11:10.900
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna be the guy told you not to do that.
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.622
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my take on Get one.
01:11:13.642 --> 01:11:18.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, so they they come up with a list or top five, maybe, but in this movie they have one
01:11:19.286 --> 01:11:20.027
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:11:20.447 --> 01:11:24.210
[SPEAKER_00]: His was Tilda Swinton until he met Jennifer Aniston.
01:11:24.650 --> 01:11:24.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
01:11:24.790 --> 01:11:26.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Jennifer Aniston plays herself in the movie.
01:11:26.391 --> 01:11:28.613
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, not that she's my new celebrity crush.
01:11:29.013 --> 01:11:31.295
[SPEAKER_00]: And he immediately goes and has sex with Jennifer Aniston.
01:11:33.895 --> 01:11:35.477
[SPEAKER_00]: She's in this small cans and towns.
01:11:35.637 --> 01:11:36.758
[SPEAKER_01]: I think are really horrible.
01:11:37.138 --> 01:11:46.028
[SPEAKER_01]: I got really excited thinking it was still the Swinton for real I would have been great too I honestly I mean Jennifer Anderson as game as well.
01:11:46.068 --> 01:11:49.612
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love that it was till the Swinton initially because honestly, yeah
01:11:50.673 --> 01:12:02.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and of course, Gale is a little bit distraught over this like well, I didn't think you'd do it like right away It's something you really don't think it's likely to come up and he's completely But you did give me permission.
01:12:02.322 --> 01:12:03.142
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay, right?
01:12:03.162 --> 01:12:15.652
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're still gonna get married and I'm gonna keep on planning the wedding He's like, well, you know, in order to make this right I have to sleep with my celebrity crush who is John Hamm Hmm, so she says I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to LA with my hairdresser friend.
01:12:15.672 --> 01:12:16.492
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a convention there
01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:20.462
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to meet Tom Lenin, who is a place another hairdresser.
01:12:21.622 --> 01:12:24.624
[SPEAKER_00]: But really what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to the Emerald City.
01:12:24.684 --> 01:12:27.205
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Hollywood, and I'm going to meet the wizard.
01:12:27.225 --> 01:12:28.006
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean John Hamm.
01:12:29.207 --> 01:12:32.248
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, along the way, they accumulate a few other helpers.
01:12:32.268 --> 01:12:33.149
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to CAA.
01:12:36.494 --> 01:12:44.862
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, which is a talent agency here in Hollywood they film on the streets of Hollywood in What looks like gorilla style?
01:12:44.982 --> 01:12:46.443
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is such a cheap movie.
01:12:46.483 --> 01:12:53.790
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really shabby I'm guessing they shot without permits in the alleyways behind the CAA building I'm so excited to shoot an LA right now.
01:12:53.810 --> 01:12:54.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame them at all.
01:12:54.791 --> 01:12:55.272
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
01:12:56.292 --> 01:13:02.076
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and that's where they accumulate, um, uh, it's the actor has been weighing from the new karate kid.
01:13:02.256 --> 01:13:02.436
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:03.157 --> 01:13:09.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he's placed like an intern at CAA and he's like, oh, and he acts a little bit too confident.
01:13:10.061 --> 01:13:12.343
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not really too smart if he only had a brain.
01:13:13.263 --> 01:13:17.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they find, uh, they shot him going to fuck all of these people and solve their problems.
01:13:17.546 --> 01:13:18.347
[SPEAKER_00]: No, just killed all three.
01:13:18.387 --> 01:13:18.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:13:21.165 --> 01:13:23.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the goal is just for Gail to sleep with Johnny.
01:13:23.366 --> 01:13:26.588
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're looking for a brand like something John Hamster be able to provide.
01:13:26.608 --> 01:13:26.968
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:13:28.049 --> 01:13:28.409
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on.
01:13:29.329 --> 01:13:34.672
[SPEAKER_00]: They run and they decide to go to John Hamster House, but it's been sold to a celebrity.
01:13:34.732 --> 01:13:35.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Celebrity cameo.
01:13:35.532 --> 01:13:36.653
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna celebrity cameo.
01:13:37.273 --> 01:13:38.074
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil it.
01:13:38.194 --> 01:13:38.734
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird now.
01:13:41.295 --> 01:14:07.591
[SPEAKER_00]: could get that's now that's a celebrity sex crisis totally totally go for it and weird all gets to like total machine gun and shoot at that uh and they meet a paparatu is trying to get a shot of weird all that's can marina and he's a part of his heart yeah all of his no way of a heart like well you know what we need to go to somebody that who knows john ham so they go to actor john slattery who's playing himself a co-star uh john john ham's co-star on the tv series madman and he's an notorious coward
01:14:08.211 --> 01:14:25.022
[SPEAKER_00]: and well he's when they meet him he's like living in this dingy dumpy apartment punching a punching bag he's like I'm gonna kick your asses and they slap him in the nose like oh it's don't hit me I'm really a coward he joins john fodder playing himself is cowardly version of him so it's going to be funny
01:14:25.402 --> 01:14:41.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Jola Trulio and this other thug are on their case because they've actually switched some brief cases and the wicked witch of the West is this Italian mob lady who wants to kill them and she's actually has a plot, so she's the kind of the wicked witch in Jola Trulio is like the wing and monkey character.
01:14:42.554 --> 01:14:46.118
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some fun bits like they're they're looking through we found it We found her on the dark web.
01:14:46.138 --> 01:14:52.626
[SPEAKER_00]: We found some of her pictures and she's just posting Instagram of like her Hollywood vacation Yeah, and she's in front of the Chinese theater.
01:14:52.666 --> 01:14:53.747
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like there she is.
01:14:54.048 --> 01:14:57.512
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an Asia like that kind of okay Very silly stuff
01:15:00.315 --> 01:15:09.063
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, some things that are really kind of rippled, but they're treating like they aren't, that's uh, uh, what, how to American summer type humor, like uh, you should go behind this building.
01:15:09.403 --> 01:15:10.004
[SPEAKER_00]: What's back there?
01:15:10.024 --> 01:15:12.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's some really great coffee over this place.
01:15:12.426 --> 01:15:13.407
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Starbucks.
01:15:13.667 --> 01:15:17.351
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want a back alley blow job, you go behind this building.
01:15:17.451 --> 01:15:18.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that sounds great.
01:15:19.072 --> 01:15:19.993
[SPEAKER_00]: You want one of those?
01:15:20.373 --> 01:15:20.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:15:20.974 --> 01:15:21.755
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get Starbucks.
01:15:22.215 --> 01:15:29.153
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and they go to Starbucks and they also like, oh, look at those nice one of them gets it back And what's up, okay, I'm never supporting a little sex workers.
01:15:29.393 --> 01:15:30.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, it's okay
01:15:31.423 --> 01:15:32.884
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very silly movie.
01:15:32.904 --> 01:15:35.286
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds it, and it's a very dumb movie.
01:15:35.366 --> 01:15:36.887
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fitfully funny.
01:15:36.907 --> 01:15:48.255
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about it's too low budget and by the seat of its pants to sort of get the building level of chaos that it wants, it's a little bit too loose for all of that.
01:15:48.395 --> 01:15:50.577
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really shoddly edited.
01:15:51.197 --> 01:15:55.681
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the comedic sides don't work and probably would have been better if you cut out a lot of them.
01:15:56.581 --> 01:15:59.264
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then they end up having to go to the emerald city.
01:15:59.324 --> 01:16:00.325
[SPEAKER_00]: John Hamm is in the movie.
01:16:00.365 --> 01:16:01.126
[SPEAKER_00]: It plays himself.
01:16:01.166 --> 01:16:01.607
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
01:16:01.647 --> 01:16:03.088
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't ruin anymore.
01:16:03.168 --> 01:16:03.649
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
01:16:04.029 --> 01:16:05.491
[SPEAKER_00]: And I won't tell you what happens thereafter.
01:16:05.571 --> 01:16:06.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:07.012 --> 01:16:09.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I already said it's a wizard of Oz Rift.
01:16:09.295 --> 01:16:11.397
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know where this story is going.
01:16:12.298 --> 01:16:14.380
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to melt a Mafioso.
01:16:15.862 --> 01:16:16.382
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
01:16:16.703 --> 01:16:19.044
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:16:19.064 --> 01:16:20.985
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say if the mafia is so melts or not.
01:16:21.045 --> 01:16:21.906
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds cute.
01:16:22.046 --> 01:16:22.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:23.146 --> 01:16:23.867
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all it is.
01:16:24.187 --> 01:16:24.887
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cute.
01:16:24.948 --> 01:16:26.008
[SPEAKER_00]: I can handle cute.
01:16:26.048 --> 01:16:27.489
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun for a comedy.
01:16:27.509 --> 01:16:31.391
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit charming if you don't like the state's comedy.
01:16:31.511 --> 01:16:33.193
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be insufferable.
01:16:35.454 --> 01:16:51.647
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a friend who I'm not going to call out to somebody we both know, who hates wet hot American summer, like with passion, just sort of that weird sort of smug self-awareness, the joke that they're not making a joke is the joke, he doesn't like that kind of humor.
01:16:51.747 --> 01:16:56.911
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine, he doesn't have to, and if you don't like that kind of humor, you're kind of like this ear.
01:16:57.732 --> 01:17:01.435
[SPEAKER_01]: I can appreciate it though, this is a truly great elevator pitch though.
01:17:02.115 --> 01:17:21.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Elevator pitch if anyone doesn't know is like when you have an idea for a movie or a TV show or a story Trapped in an elevator with a studio executive you have the length of the elevator ride to make a pitch Yeah, yeah, so it's got to be something that you can get across and not only get across, but like entice someone with
01:17:22.575 --> 01:17:25.956
[SPEAKER_01]: in a sentence or two, like that's the amount of time you have.
01:17:25.997 --> 01:17:38.002
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have a log line, it is about a woman who has a celebrity sex pass with her fiance, but he gets to sleep with his celebrity, so she travels to Los Angeles to fuck John Hamm.
01:17:38.802 --> 01:17:41.703
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good pitch that is a funny premise.
01:17:41.923 --> 01:17:46.204
[SPEAKER_01]: It has not been done to death, and you can picture the movie.
01:17:46.384 --> 01:17:52.865
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can imagine what the second act is full of, and probably some sense of how it's going to end satisfactorily.
01:17:53.165 --> 01:17:55.025
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good idea for a movie.
01:17:55.165 --> 01:17:59.106
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could have done this in a little bit more of a straight down to Earthway.
01:17:59.686 --> 01:18:02.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's a little bit more of a realistic character, but this is the state.
01:18:02.747 --> 01:18:04.107
[SPEAKER_00]: So everything is very arched.
01:18:04.127 --> 01:18:05.167
[SPEAKER_00]: The characters are all very brawl.
01:18:05.187 --> 01:18:08.408
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the sort of thing I would have really liked to have seen in the nineties.
01:18:08.808 --> 01:18:11.689
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see somebody like Kevin Smith.
01:18:12.089 --> 01:18:13.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is like Kevin Smith.
01:18:13.210 --> 01:18:15.291
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is like Kevin Smith's the type of comedy.
01:18:15.311 --> 01:18:17.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he did Zach and Mary make a porn out.
01:18:17.112 --> 01:18:17.332
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:17.352 --> 01:18:20.213
[SPEAKER_01]: That's got a similar like the very least tonal conceit.
01:18:21.874 --> 01:18:23.134
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like Zach and Mary make a porn out.
01:18:23.154 --> 01:18:24.435
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually a really good movie.
01:18:24.475 --> 01:18:29.197
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's actually a very sweet film about the adult industry and the positivity of it.
01:18:29.417 --> 01:18:32.899
[SPEAKER_00]: the positivity of it, and I like the chemistry between the two lead characters.
01:18:32.919 --> 01:18:36.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, Logan has great romantic chemistry with a lot of people.
01:18:36.381 --> 01:18:47.707
[SPEAKER_01]: I finally saw, and I can't believe I missed it when it came out, but I finally recently saw the long shot, where he was a speech writer, working for Charlize Theron, who's running for president.
01:18:47.727 --> 01:18:50.629
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that movie is delightful.
01:18:50.649 --> 01:18:51.189
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
01:18:51.370 --> 01:18:52.330
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
01:18:52.350 --> 01:18:53.771
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so good together.
01:18:53.791 --> 01:18:55.272
[SPEAKER_00]: They have incredible chemistry together.
01:18:56.252 --> 01:19:06.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Seth Rogan is kind of a, he is kind of like one of the more genius filmmakers working on it.
01:19:06.837 --> 01:19:10.339
[SPEAKER_00]: He, because he's tackling bigger topics and intelligent ways.
01:19:10.879 --> 01:19:12.120
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they'll make him look very funny.
01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:14.721
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the cloak of Dom Stoner comedy.
01:19:14.841 --> 01:19:18.443
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's incredibly prolific and most of his stuff is great.
01:19:18.743 --> 01:19:39.183
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not always but like enough of it where you're just like have you seen a studio I have not I've heard great that definitely see this I've heard it's I've heard great things But like again he's he's producing TV starring in movies He's writing movies is writing movies or I don't know if he's writing movies But he's doing a ton and often times you're gonna see a dip in quality and he may eventually burn out and like wouldn't blame him if he did
01:19:40.050 --> 01:19:43.931
[SPEAKER_01]: but he's keeping that up and still making good shit.
01:19:43.951 --> 01:19:44.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
01:19:44.351 --> 01:19:45.611
[SPEAKER_01]: We got off in the weeds.
01:19:45.631 --> 01:19:46.992
[SPEAKER_01]: This sounds cute and I wish I'd say it.
01:19:47.192 --> 01:19:47.612
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cute.
01:19:47.912 --> 01:19:48.732
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cute.
01:19:48.812 --> 01:19:49.252
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.
01:19:49.532 --> 01:19:50.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:19:50.493 --> 01:19:57.394
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we have a new film, it is a Netflix original, it is called Enolla Holmes III.
01:19:57.474 --> 01:20:04.036
[SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot honestly remember if I've ever talked to you about the Enolla Holmes or was it you see the first two that we reviewed the first one.
01:20:04.076 --> 01:20:04.976
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see the second.
01:20:05.056 --> 01:20:05.996
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one came out,
01:20:08.957 --> 01:20:33.168
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's based on a series of young adult novels and the original was supposed to go to theaters and then the COVID lockdown happened and Netflix ended up purchasing it and it was one of their big lockdown era releases because it had like this kind of big Hollywood production value kind of fun, paper, adventure, blockbuster, you kind of vibe.
01:20:33.608 --> 01:20:33.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20:34.373 --> 01:20:34.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
01:20:35.315 --> 01:20:35.756
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
01:20:36.537 --> 01:20:37.960
[SPEAKER_01]: The first animal at home is good.
01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:38.481
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing?
01:20:38.662 --> 01:20:39.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.
01:20:39.623 --> 01:20:40.565
[SPEAKER_01]: But really good.
01:20:40.686 --> 01:20:41.146
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
01:20:41.387 --> 01:20:42.589
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a ton of energy.
01:20:43.482 --> 01:20:44.903
[SPEAKER_01]: It is witty.
01:20:45.483 --> 01:20:48.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Millie Bobby Brown plays the title character and she's very well cast.
01:20:49.186 --> 01:20:50.307
[SPEAKER_01]: She's very, very delightful.
01:20:50.387 --> 01:20:55.810
[SPEAKER_01]: Henry Cavill plays Sherlock Holmes in a very supporting role, and he's good.
01:20:55.971 --> 01:20:57.371
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to do that character.
01:20:57.411 --> 01:20:58.732
[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing it to the nines.
01:20:59.193 --> 01:21:12.462
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate how the first two Anola Holmes movies, which, you know, in terms of like the experience of watching them a relatively interchangeable, they're both well-made, not necessarily terribly memorable, but a good time at the movies.
01:21:13.282 --> 01:21:20.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or at home on the couch, I guess, um, but they also are about things, which I appreciate.
01:21:20.228 --> 01:21:31.537
[SPEAKER_01]: And all, well, Sherlock Holmes is out, you know, finding rich people's jewels and, you know, defending the the crown or whatever, and all Holmes is out there defending people who can't defend themselves.
01:21:32.017 --> 01:21:37.842
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and the first one, uh, she's entangled in a conspiracy that's trying to put down election reform.
01:21:38.282 --> 01:21:42.806
[SPEAKER_01]: And England would write around the time an actual important reform bill did go through.
01:21:42.946 --> 01:21:45.949
[SPEAKER_01]: So she was an unknown part of that history.
01:21:46.189 --> 01:21:46.429
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun.
01:21:47.150 --> 01:21:59.100
[SPEAKER_01]: In the second one, she's part of a huge conspiracy that ends up leading to one of the biggest early union movements in British history, which is another real thing.
01:21:59.601 --> 01:22:00.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
01:22:00.982 --> 01:22:01.522
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
01:22:01.543 --> 01:22:01.943
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
01:22:01.963 --> 01:22:05.246
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels frothy and it's fun in its fast pace.
01:22:06.285 --> 01:22:11.787
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is about something, and it feels like there's a reason for these movies to exist other than their need.
01:22:13.748 --> 01:22:24.813
[SPEAKER_01]: I also, when the huge fan of the actor they got to play Moriarty in the second one, her name is Sharon Duncan Brewster.
01:22:24.833 --> 01:22:27.954
[SPEAKER_00]: Is she Moriarty or is she like Moriarty's teenage?
01:22:27.994 --> 01:22:29.054
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she's Moriarty.
01:22:29.314 --> 01:22:32.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she is Moriarty, and I like the take.
01:22:33.629 --> 01:22:51.103
[SPEAKER_01]: that Moriarty is a black woman in the late 19th century who is actually like underestimated and under-privileged in every conceivable way and is doing all of the terrible things that she's doing because fuck you guys.
01:22:52.784 --> 01:22:53.985
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's great.
01:22:54.065 --> 01:23:01.410
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that has a lot of really fun to mention to her character and I'm really frustrated that in this third movie she comes back
01:23:02.371 --> 01:23:03.592
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the main villain this time.
01:23:03.692 --> 01:23:06.053
[SPEAKER_01]: They hide it for all of 10 minutes, and it's really obvious.
01:23:08.834 --> 01:23:12.636
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just kind of cartoon evil, and I'm like, no!
01:23:14.077 --> 01:23:14.997
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
01:23:15.737 --> 01:23:24.161
[SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of the only black character, and there's a few other characters of color here, but the only black character in these movies is now a cackling supervillain.
01:23:25.162 --> 01:23:27.263
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yet she had interesting motivation.
01:23:27.323 --> 01:23:28.203
[SPEAKER_01]: That was so cool.
01:23:28.243 --> 01:23:29.984
[SPEAKER_01]: You did something really interesting for a minute.
01:23:30.424 --> 01:23:31.025
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating.
01:23:31.665 --> 01:23:35.288
[SPEAKER_01]: The new one is taking place like years after the last few.
01:23:35.668 --> 01:23:40.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Millie Bobby Brown is now, she's still young, but she no longer reads his teenagers.
01:23:40.452 --> 01:23:41.073
[SPEAKER_00]: She's starting now.
01:23:41.133 --> 01:23:41.894
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying.
01:23:42.154 --> 01:23:46.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Previously, this is these are the adventures of teenage Sherlock Holmes, younger sister.
01:23:47.018 --> 01:23:48.059
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's a young woman.
01:23:48.933 --> 01:23:55.766
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's been in a relationship or not again, often in a relationship where they're love interest for the last couple of movies.
01:23:56.126 --> 01:23:59.212
[SPEAKER_01]: His name is Vicount Tukesbury.
01:23:59.232 --> 01:24:01.516
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's...
01:24:03.583 --> 01:24:08.528
[SPEAKER_01]: his heart is in the right place and I can see why he is the best available mail option for her.
01:24:09.610 --> 01:24:12.553
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think they're great together, but whatever, I would mind a judge.
01:24:12.953 --> 01:24:15.676
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the beginning of the movie, they're getting married.
01:24:16.917 --> 01:24:23.605
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's running late to the wedding, and there's like a few, and they're in Malta, and there's like, she's on a chariot, and they're like, you know, they're, they're, they're
01:24:24.185 --> 01:24:34.152
[SPEAKER_01]: racing to the wedding and a guy runs up to them and she thinks they're being attacked and she like whips at a shotgun and was like hanging out of the carriage and I'm like this is a great way to start a movie.
01:24:35.053 --> 01:24:36.394
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying all of this so far.
01:24:36.414 --> 01:24:36.954
[SPEAKER_01]: This is cool.
01:24:37.334 --> 01:24:39.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out and we're already falling off.
01:24:40.877 --> 01:24:46.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out the bandit in like the face mask was actually Watson.
01:24:47.113 --> 01:24:48.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Watson was simply trying to catch up to her anywhere.
01:24:48.914 --> 01:24:56.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew, you just interpreted those situations, which is cute, but also that was exciting for a minute and we just walked it back so hard.
01:24:57.937 --> 01:25:04.380
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's trying to track her down because Sherlock Holmes, who was, of course, there at the wedding, has been kidnapped.
01:25:05.889 --> 01:25:07.230
[SPEAKER_01]: which is already weird.
01:25:08.531 --> 01:25:10.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Sherlock Holmes should not be kidnapped.
01:25:10.253 --> 01:25:14.016
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not even she's just like, well, how the fuck did that happen?
01:25:14.737 --> 01:25:28.348
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she starts investigating, and it turns out there's like a huge, long-running conspiracy about gold that the British government stole from Afghanistan, and that's a whole thing that they,
01:25:29.269 --> 01:25:35.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Unlike the previous two movies which kind of handled their real life, you know, tangentially related subject matter pretty well.
01:25:35.573 --> 01:25:37.655
[SPEAKER_01]: This one does, and it's just a plot point.
01:25:37.755 --> 01:25:40.817
[SPEAKER_01]: But um, and that's it.
01:25:40.937 --> 01:25:42.658
[SPEAKER_01]: She investigates the crime.
01:25:43.638 --> 01:25:44.619
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes two damn long.
01:25:46.160 --> 01:25:49.722
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this frustrating thing where they split those Netflix movies like two and a half hours.
01:25:50.143 --> 01:25:52.524
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like two, and it really doesn't need to be.
01:25:53.785 --> 01:25:54.826
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really frustrating because
01:25:56.022 --> 01:25:57.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I like the first two movies.
01:25:57.523 --> 01:25:58.665
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're really fun.
01:25:58.705 --> 01:25:59.445
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they amazing?
01:25:59.545 --> 01:26:00.667
[SPEAKER_01]: No, are they terribly memorable?
01:26:00.727 --> 01:26:02.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not, but they're really fun to watch.
01:26:03.349 --> 01:26:08.874
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just well-crafted, fun, slightly smarter than they should be entertainments.
01:26:09.115 --> 01:26:09.775
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy with that.
01:26:09.815 --> 01:26:10.236
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
01:26:11.717 --> 01:26:14.039
[SPEAKER_01]: Here they got a new director.
01:26:14.120 --> 01:26:15.981
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't bring the same energy to it.
01:26:16.882 --> 01:26:16.962
[SPEAKER_01]: And
01:26:18.218 --> 01:26:25.707
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the really struggling here because I think in the time of standing that the young adult books, these are based on they're all the younger adventures of an old home.
01:26:25.727 --> 01:26:27.970
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're trying to have to grow up with the lead actress.
01:26:30.267 --> 01:26:36.171
[SPEAKER_01]: She should buy all accounts simply be comfortable in her own skin by now, and the movie plays it out.
01:26:36.211 --> 01:26:39.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, she's been Sherlock Holmes is equal for a while.
01:26:39.593 --> 01:26:40.774
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just as respected.
01:26:41.274 --> 01:26:41.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:26:41.895 --> 01:26:43.276
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sherlock Holmes is kidnapped.
01:26:43.296 --> 01:26:46.018
[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, maybe she's not as good as Sherlock Holmes.
01:26:46.238 --> 01:26:46.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's better.
01:26:46.978 --> 01:26:48.179
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little inconsistency there.
01:26:50.126 --> 01:26:56.596
[SPEAKER_01]: But in order to like track him down, like, okay, she has like a couple of moments where she's not sure she can do it.
01:26:56.616 --> 01:26:57.677
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really difficult case.
01:26:57.978 --> 01:27:02.445
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine, perfectly valid drama, but then like her mother is played by Helen Abon Carter.
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.020
[SPEAKER_00]: But she wasn't the previous one.
01:27:05.040 --> 01:27:06.341
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't the previous one, it was as well.
01:27:07.522 --> 01:27:14.468
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's a fugitive from the law because she's a suffragette who likes the blow things up, which I enjoy and is fun.
01:27:15.989 --> 01:27:24.776
[SPEAKER_01]: But she likes it, oh, in all the homes, the reason why you haven't figured out this case is you're trying to solve the case, but you don't realize there's something underneath the surface.
01:27:24.836 --> 01:27:28.039
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, she is the equal of Sherlock Holmes.
01:27:28.519 --> 01:27:32.383
[SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me that it never occurred to her to look underneath the surface.
01:27:33.782 --> 01:27:37.583
[SPEAKER_01]: That's advice you give to a teenager who's just starting out.
01:27:38.163 --> 01:27:41.844
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not advice to someone you give to who has been doing this for the better part of a decade.
01:27:42.584 --> 01:27:46.205
[SPEAKER_01]: They really don't know how to tell an older enola home story.
01:27:46.905 --> 01:27:49.926
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep trying to make it feel like the old ones, but it feels completely out of place.
01:27:50.726 --> 01:27:55.227
[SPEAKER_01]: And the emphasis on her getting married is frustrating because it doesn't really add anything.
01:27:55.768 --> 01:27:56.528
[SPEAKER_01]: On one hand,
01:27:57.491 --> 01:28:19.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she does debate it, you know, like I feel like I'm such an independent woman do I really want to do this, but I do love them, you know, and like, and it's her choice to make all of that is true, but the movie's emphasis on it just makes it feel like they really felt they needed like, they needed a wedding as if there was someone in the audience who was like, yeah, and all the homes of movies are great, but why isn't she married?
01:28:20.165 --> 01:28:24.570
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something kind of weirdly regressive about just placing that much emphasis on this plot point.
01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:30.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to make it all about that is kind of, feels besides the point to me.
01:28:30.938 --> 01:28:35.364
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it is the point, then I missed the point of the previous two movies, because I felt like they weren't about that at all.
01:28:35.804 --> 01:28:39.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this one isn't great.
01:28:40.393 --> 01:28:41.573
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it terrible?
01:28:41.613 --> 01:28:45.234
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not terrible, but it is the first and all the holes movie that I simply wouldn't recommend.
01:28:45.574 --> 01:28:45.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
01:28:46.134 --> 01:28:55.477
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I think I probably would have given like the first one a C plus the second one a high C and this one will be getting that through those but it's not awful.
01:28:55.577 --> 01:28:58.157
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this doesn't work and they couldn't crack it.
01:28:58.217 --> 01:29:08.200
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to have written themselves into a corner just because they took too long to make it and now they have to try to serve two different ideas about what this movie can be and they can do neither right.
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:12.782
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, tell me about nightmares, which I know nothing about.
01:29:13.083 --> 01:29:15.925
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, uh, this is an interesting case.
01:29:15.965 --> 01:29:26.074
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the very first, uh, ever, um Geronto Filia thriller, I think I've seen You're gonna have to find that for people in the audience.
01:29:26.094 --> 01:29:26.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not me.
01:29:26.955 --> 01:29:27.155
[SPEAKER_00]: People
01:29:29.750 --> 01:29:42.293
[SPEAKER_00]: people who are aroused by elderly people okay yeah um so night nurse is uh uh about a night nurse she's hired a to take care of this uh crotchied old man
01:29:43.108 --> 01:30:11.809
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the character's named um... a lany played by a jemura pucks away uh... she's called into look after this uh... man is like late seventies maybe early a's i'll play by Bruce McKenzie and he's confident but we're not really sure how with it he is he has a few uh... interviews early in the film where he seems to not really necessarily understand where he is he's just happy to be surrounded by what he calls pretty girls
01:30:12.209 --> 01:30:13.952
[SPEAKER_00]: which are the nurses or taking care of them.
01:30:13.972 --> 01:30:14.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:30:14.693 --> 01:30:21.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the Eleni character meets another nurse named Mona and they kind of shows in the robes.
01:30:23.227 --> 01:30:44.777
[SPEAKER_00]: But she learns pretty early on that this guy has kind of a scam going and he will sort of pin his nurses against the wall because he has already sensed that they're drawn to files they're in damn and they're so overwhelmed with lust that they will engage in this comedy as going on.
01:30:45.537 --> 01:31:13.749
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they will he has the nurses call other denizens other old guys in this nursing home claiming to be in a panic to be his granddaughter so this is your granddaughter i've been kidnapped can you send money quickly or i'm in trouble i've been injured i need money for hospital bills or they won't let me go or there's cops here so the creating this drama took uh... kind of confused these older people and they in a panic they'll send money and over the years it's eventually revealed that he's caught a lot of money this way
01:31:15.249 --> 01:31:22.233
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, he's sort of gathered around, essentially a harem of nurses who are into this.
01:31:22.974 --> 01:31:41.465
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's the opening shot is actually really amazing, because we're sort of in an extreme close-up depending on somebody's body, and they have that coiled phone cord wrapped around various parts of their body, so I'm not really sure which body part we're looking at, and we hear just the dialogue and it's all very film noir, it's all pretty cool.
01:31:44.808 --> 01:32:00.823
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, of course it is about sort of the how into this the main nightmare's character is going to become if she's going to like just sort of fall into the under this guy's spell and stay under that way or if she's going to sort of come to her senses and rick aloud or how deep is this going to go.
01:32:02.536 --> 01:32:21.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only issue that the movie really has is we don't get to really know her very well we don't really know what her desires are what her dreams are other than she's just completely wrapped up in this older guy and that I think takes away a lot of the kind of personal emotional edge that the film might need.
01:32:22.539 --> 01:32:29.885
[SPEAKER_00]: If you've heard of this scam before it is a real thing some people do call up the like befuddled man and try to The condom out of money.
01:32:30.506 --> 01:32:48.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of our lot of scams are directed at the elderly Yeah, it's fucked up in general that there are scams, but it's especially fucked up come on Yeah, I'm willing to bet that somebody listening to the podcast right now has a relative who's gone through this Yes Or like you've caught somebody trying to scam like your grandparents
01:32:50.348 --> 01:32:52.610
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is that kind of real world edge to it.
01:32:52.630 --> 01:32:53.951
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is very stylish.
01:32:54.012 --> 01:33:10.927
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the pacing and the mood of this movie I like the this Strange erotic world that this creates because I've never seen a film that's specifically about dronchophilia other than you know comedies What was that one with Robert De Niro and Aubrey Plaza?
01:33:11.187 --> 01:33:31.780
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like that bad grandpa evil grandpa's yeah dirty grandpa maybe dirty grandpa Yeah, there was one called bad grandpa one called dirty grandpa and I forgot which one was yeah one was a Johnny Knox But yeah, there was The opera pause a character was like really and was a gerontophile She was early into Robert and he or her dirty grandpa was the Robert and he or I'm okay.
01:33:31.900 --> 01:33:36.083
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I think sack a fron was the grandson No, okay, yeah, good catch
01:33:37.905 --> 01:33:40.225
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that movie, I don't remember it too, I didn't see it, I missed out, I'm so sorry.
01:33:40.245 --> 01:34:05.090
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, dronophilia is a thing, be sure about it, I'm not, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding, I'm
01:34:07.470 --> 01:34:10.231
[SPEAKER_00]: Judgment going on in many erotic thrillers.
01:34:10.271 --> 01:34:10.631
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.
01:34:10.651 --> 01:34:11.351
[SPEAKER_00]: I was zesting.
01:34:11.371 --> 01:34:14.873
[SPEAKER_00]: They may be about their eroticism and their beauty and their sex.
01:34:15.373 --> 01:34:21.235
[SPEAKER_00]: They're at least is a vagalament that giving into your desires is a negative thing.
01:34:21.515 --> 01:34:24.476
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an a character's punished at the end Yeah, that's kind of the thing about it.
01:34:24.536 --> 01:34:30.338
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a lot of erotic thrillers are based on the idea that What you're into, but it's not like vanilla.
01:34:30.558 --> 01:34:30.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm
01:34:31.818 --> 01:34:42.063
[SPEAKER_01]: is something that you are so desperate to have that you're willing to risk or endanger your life in some way, if not literally, then figuratively.
01:34:42.143 --> 01:34:46.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I am willing to risk my marriage to have an affair with this younger man.
01:34:46.145 --> 01:34:46.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:34:46.805 --> 01:34:52.708
[SPEAKER_01]: I am willing to kill a woman's husband just because she is so arousing to me.
01:34:52.728 --> 01:34:53.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:34:53.768 --> 01:34:54.588
[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing.
01:34:55.329 --> 01:34:57.370
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it is wrapped up in shame, I swear.
01:34:57.390 --> 01:34:59.991
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there wasn't any shame, there probably wouldn't be any suspense.
01:35:00.592 --> 01:35:02.339
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like, yeah, I haven't sexed with this guy.
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:03.563
[SPEAKER_01]: It's consensual and we're good.
01:35:05.610 --> 01:35:06.510
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
01:35:06.550 --> 01:35:07.190
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a movie.
01:35:07.230 --> 01:35:08.611
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just good for you guys.
01:35:08.631 --> 01:35:10.371
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, there's nothing going on here.
01:35:11.332 --> 01:35:12.572
[SPEAKER_00]: I had four partners this week.
01:35:13.012 --> 01:35:13.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
01:35:13.652 --> 01:35:13.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:35:14.052 --> 01:35:15.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it everything was above board?
01:35:15.653 --> 01:35:16.533
[SPEAKER_00]: And we all had a good time.
01:35:16.993 --> 01:35:17.293
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
01:35:17.533 --> 01:35:18.654
[SPEAKER_00]: So all consensual and safe.
01:35:18.694 --> 01:35:19.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fine.
01:35:19.274 --> 01:35:19.814
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for it.
01:35:20.034 --> 01:35:23.115
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no real thrills to that, but there's plenty of eroticism.
01:35:23.135 --> 01:35:23.835
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
01:35:23.855 --> 01:35:26.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like if you want to have an erotic thriller show or shame is often wrapped up in it.
01:35:26.996 --> 01:35:30.317
[SPEAKER_00]: So and that's, but that's sort of a trapping of the genre.
01:35:30.337 --> 01:35:32.618
[SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily a fault with this film in particular.
01:35:32.638 --> 01:35:32.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:35.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think it is kind of effective.
01:35:35.704 --> 01:35:39.432
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish the main character had a little bit more character Fair enough.
01:35:40.374 --> 01:35:43.260
[SPEAKER_00]: But at least the the guys she's into the older guy.
01:35:43.280 --> 01:35:44.022
[SPEAKER_00]: I buy it
01:35:44.591 --> 01:35:45.671
[SPEAKER_01]: you buy that he said.
01:35:45.812 --> 01:35:49.373
[SPEAKER_00]: I buy it that the characters find him sexier find him a go a little bit of lure.
01:35:49.473 --> 01:35:50.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the trick.
01:35:50.594 --> 01:35:56.476
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to necessarily be convinced of something yourself as long as you you believe the characters are.
01:35:56.616 --> 01:35:56.796
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:35:57.096 --> 01:36:02.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and that's who I think I find it with horror a lot of the time, too, where people are like, well, that movie didn't scare me.
01:36:02.579 --> 01:36:06.340
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, do you were you convinced that the characters in the movie experience that fear?
01:36:06.380 --> 01:36:07.981
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what they have to sell.
01:36:08.081 --> 01:36:08.281
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:36:08.662 --> 01:36:11.064
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily your phobia.
01:36:11.345 --> 01:36:13.868
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't all be your phobia.
01:36:14.048 --> 01:36:14.268
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:36:14.328 --> 01:36:21.276
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can empathize enough with the characters to acknowledge and hopefully at least somewhat feel their fear, then it's doing fine.
01:36:21.296 --> 01:36:21.456
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:36:21.576 --> 01:36:27.003
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a character, if you get an actor who can really convey terror, then the movie's going to be just that much better.
01:36:27.503 --> 01:36:28.324
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Shirley.
01:36:28.504 --> 01:36:29.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Cheryl Lee.
01:36:29.705 --> 01:36:31.606
[SPEAKER_00]: I was literally just about to say, Cheryl Lee.
01:36:31.666 --> 01:36:34.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that this single, great, greatest, fair, fair.
01:36:34.768 --> 01:36:36.429
[SPEAKER_01]: Fear, actress, to Everland.
01:36:36.509 --> 01:36:39.031
[SPEAKER_01]: Ever, there's never, we talk about screen Queens all the time.
01:36:39.631 --> 01:36:40.792
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of them are really good.
01:36:40.812 --> 01:36:46.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Cheryl Lee, not a screen queen, just fucking brilliant, egg conveying fear.
01:36:46.596 --> 01:36:48.717
[SPEAKER_00]: And integrate, scream as well.
01:36:48.777 --> 01:36:50.238
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great actor, just in general.
01:36:50.258 --> 01:36:53.421
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just something that she's got that, like, over everybody.
01:36:53.441 --> 01:36:54.501
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's incredible.
01:36:57.183 --> 01:36:58.484
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not anytime soon.
01:36:58.504 --> 01:37:04.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, all right, and then the last move we're going to be reviewing this week It's called young Washington.
01:37:04.827 --> 01:37:13.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the story of young George Washington and One two three.
01:37:13.772 --> 01:37:17.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can sum up my review pretty quickly Fuck this movie
01:37:19.246 --> 01:37:28.013
[SPEAKER_01]: So this movie is a biopic about George Washington during the what we call the French and Indian War.
01:37:29.715 --> 01:37:40.945
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played by a young actor and William Franklin Miller, Mary Louise Parker plays his mom, Kelsey Grammar, Andy Circus and Ben Kingsley are also in it as well, giving, giving this film a little bit of dignity.
01:37:43.297 --> 01:37:55.822
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a story about how George Washington, when he was born and raised in I believe Virginia, he didn't have a lot of advantages.
01:37:55.862 --> 01:37:57.722
[SPEAKER_01]: He was born without a lot of privileges.
01:37:57.943 --> 01:38:00.584
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowed to go to school after his father died.
01:38:01.104 --> 01:38:05.805
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowed to join the British military properly because he didn't own land.
01:38:10.327 --> 01:38:21.878
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's extremely wrong to deny people like their rights and opportunities just based off of the circumstances of their birth.
01:38:22.338 --> 01:38:26.302
[SPEAKER_01]: They mentioned briefly that he owned slaves and then they never mentioned it again.
01:38:27.528 --> 01:38:40.399
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just not going to go there and we're still going to try to play it off like the real injustice was that George Washington had it a little bit more inconvenient than many Is it pronounced hageography or hageography?
01:38:40.539 --> 01:38:41.780
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's hageography.
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:42.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
01:38:42.861 --> 01:38:43.602
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong.
01:38:44.622 --> 01:38:47.245
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we're not off on a good start.
01:38:47.565 --> 01:38:48.386
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright.
01:38:49.406 --> 01:38:54.654
[SPEAKER_01]: He meets and falls in love with a woman who is, I'm not even going to bother saying the actor out.
01:38:54.674 --> 01:38:55.896
[SPEAKER_01]: She never seems present in the role.
01:38:55.916 --> 01:38:57.298
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:03.247
[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets himself a job sort of surveying,
01:39:04.477 --> 01:39:14.808
[SPEAKER_01]: unmapped out territory, while he is doing that, he runs into a French outpost, turns out the French are horning in and what the British believe is their territory.
01:39:14.868 --> 01:39:20.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the indigenous first nation people of this country are like fuck both of you guys.
01:39:22.825 --> 01:39:43.069
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, uh, George Washington sees this as his opportunity to sort of squeak up the latter militarily and he ends up getting a ton of people killed because he sucks at it, but by the end of the movie he's learned some valuable lessons, uh, failure has taught him, uh, how to be better at what he does.
01:39:43.529 --> 01:39:47.450
[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of the movie, there's a big battle sequence and George Washington,
01:39:48.607 --> 01:39:54.375
[SPEAKER_01]: Currently with dysentery does a lot of slowmo shootouts and horse stunts.
01:39:55.816 --> 01:39:56.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:39:56.316 --> 01:39:57.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, he has dysentery.
01:39:58.017 --> 01:40:00.378
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds terrible, is it pooping all the time?
01:40:00.398 --> 01:40:02.800
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that would have been something.
01:40:03.400 --> 01:40:05.982
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, the dysentery just sort of goes away.
01:40:06.322 --> 01:40:11.245
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's time to spring into action, he's wearing white pants, come on.
01:40:11.905 --> 01:40:12.686
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing?
01:40:12.706 --> 01:40:15.548
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's wearing white pants that might be beige, whatever, who gives a fuck.
01:40:16.148 --> 01:40:18.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, holiday, bring me my brown pants.
01:40:19.310 --> 01:40:22.572
[SPEAKER_01]: And, at, by the end of the movie,
01:40:25.790 --> 01:40:28.613
[SPEAKER_01]: after he's like one a battle and been like promoted.
01:40:28.633 --> 01:40:35.539
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget which tribe it is.
01:40:35.639 --> 01:40:48.831
[SPEAKER_01]: The indigenous people of America, column over and they say, listen, during that battle, we tried to shoot you and you were impervious to our bullets, which means that you are the chosen one who is here to protect this nation.
01:40:49.311 --> 01:40:49.812
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
01:40:50.847 --> 01:40:52.008
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all of you!
01:40:53.048 --> 01:41:02.373
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate this trend in American politics, this view of them, but also in American history glasses.
01:41:02.913 --> 01:41:11.658
[SPEAKER_00]: How we tend to view some of the early figures who signed the Declaration of Independence and worked on the Bill of Rights as essentially gods.
01:41:12.773 --> 01:41:13.694
[SPEAKER_00]: They're founding father.
01:41:13.754 --> 01:41:14.794
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a pantheon.
01:41:14.814 --> 01:41:18.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the founding fathers is the phrase we use in the United States.
01:41:18.417 --> 01:41:18.637
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:18.697 --> 01:41:19.878
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always hated the phrase.
01:41:20.138 --> 01:41:20.618
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:25.002
[SPEAKER_00]: How about guys who wrote and wrote a document that is bigger than they are?
01:41:25.022 --> 01:41:25.182
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:25.342 --> 01:41:26.423
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Magna Carta.
01:41:26.503 --> 01:41:27.063
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:41:27.343 --> 01:41:27.663
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it?
01:41:27.964 --> 01:41:30.786
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how are they described in the days and confused?
01:41:31.126 --> 01:41:33.387
[SPEAKER_01]: A bunch of rich landowners didn't want to pay other taxes.
01:41:33.427 --> 01:41:33.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:33.708 --> 01:41:33.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:41:34.368 --> 01:41:34.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:34.728 --> 01:41:34.929
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:41:35.209 --> 01:41:36.770
[SPEAKER_00]: The slave owners who wanted to be free.
01:41:37.190 --> 01:41:50.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, listen, I'm not saying that they didn't do something like they they fought off the what was considered the greatest military in the world at the time That's not a small accomplishment They're extremely flawed people.
01:41:50.493 --> 01:41:57.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we can look at the foundation of the United States as I'm in a civil and to bust can't wait.
01:41:57.235 --> 01:42:06.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the biggest thing you can say about is that they left room to fix their mistakes Yeah, you know there's a lot of people at the time who were even saying we should
01:42:07.177 --> 01:42:08.918
[SPEAKER_01]: there should be no slavery in this country.
01:42:09.398 --> 01:42:10.399
[SPEAKER_01]: They were shouted down.
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.461
[SPEAKER_01]: And the compromise was, we can hopefully fix that later.
01:42:15.362 --> 01:42:17.363
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was not great, but at least it was in there.
01:42:17.383 --> 01:42:18.564
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best you can say about it.
01:42:18.644 --> 01:42:20.365
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you ever saw the musical 1776.
01:42:20.425 --> 01:42:27.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the first act is like very gun going up and up, and the second half is, hey guys, what about slavery?
01:42:27.989 --> 01:42:29.070
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:42:29.710 --> 01:42:31.011
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big part of Hamilton, isn't it?
01:42:31.091 --> 01:42:33.992
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be a bigger part of Hamilton, honestly.
01:42:34.353 --> 01:42:37.234
[SPEAKER_01]: It's surprisingly not both emphasizes a good event.
01:42:37.554 --> 01:42:38.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's in there.
01:42:38.815 --> 01:42:41.797
[SPEAKER_00]: It is because it's a modern hip hop, and it's a...
01:42:42.337 --> 01:42:42.757
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Denmark.
01:42:42.797 --> 01:42:43.738
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Denmark.
01:42:43.858 --> 01:42:47.040
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in Denmark to the presentation, but in the script itself.
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:55.927
[SPEAKER_01]: You might think there would be more about it, but I'd understand that there were other songs that they were going to try to emphasize that more and then make fun of Kuppet.
01:42:56.287 --> 01:42:57.648
[SPEAKER_01]: And in any case, yeah, it's all in there.
01:42:57.668 --> 01:43:10.899
[SPEAKER_00]: But this haunting of the founders of the nation, the authors of the Declaration of Independence, and the generals who fought in the Revolutionary War, as heroic has never sat well with me.
01:43:11.459 --> 01:43:14.582
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the biographies that show people as people, because people are people.
01:43:15.153 --> 01:43:30.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so why should it be that we treat them so fucking well in there is the one the one exception I'll get to this the one like movie that like vance America's founding fathers and gets away with it Isn't movie that has largely been forgotten even though it's very funny America the motion picture
01:43:30.769 --> 01:43:53.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great movie because George Washington is like portrayed as Captain America And like you have this gigantic muscle to Donna city's best friends with Lincoln who lives beside you Yeah, yeah, they were like Thomas Jefferson is a woman and I think she's got a cybernetic hand Like it's just like a hot babe with a lot of parts like they're going so far and like the king is like Baron Harkin in from Dune
01:43:55.346 --> 01:44:05.413
[SPEAKER_01]: They just go so far that they're making fun of it while also indulging in the comic Overreverance we have yeah for the founders of this nation.
01:44:05.693 --> 01:44:17.661
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a I don't remember when I was a kid They were still unironically pushing a lot of the myths like oh, he chopped down a cherry tree and his mother said George
01:44:18.441 --> 01:44:21.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you do that shit like I don't tell her life.
01:44:21.283 --> 01:44:28.427
[SPEAKER_01]: I did well then when the fuck did you do it like you they we don't actually talk about that bit Why what was it for you?
01:44:28.447 --> 01:44:42.355
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were and you were just gonna tell them just like Cameron and the car at the end of Ferris Bueller was this just how you were gonna finally bond with your dad He finally paid attention He doesn't make any sense that's not in this movie We do see him take a couple wax at it
01:44:45.198 --> 01:44:46.639
[SPEAKER_01]: You had to get it there somewhere!
01:44:46.659 --> 01:44:47.819
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a stick to doing it.
01:44:48.099 --> 01:44:52.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was kind of based on a true story when George Washington kind of hit a tree a little bit.
01:44:52.141 --> 01:44:54.042
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I'd like this, like starts to chop into it.
01:44:54.082 --> 01:44:55.103
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you chopping another cherry tree?
01:44:55.123 --> 01:44:55.183
[SPEAKER_00]: No!
01:44:55.203 --> 01:45:06.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:45:08.375 --> 01:45:24.563
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing the other reason for this movie is that apparently there's a lot of AI especially And like especially in like the environments to sort of recreate like the like I guess the pastoral whatever and I was concerned about that when I was watching it, but I don't
01:45:25.263 --> 01:45:44.049
[SPEAKER_01]: want to get to the point where I'm accusing a movie of being AI before I know it is, if I want to movie and I give it credit for something and that thing turns out to be AI, that is not AI doing well, that is me being con by filmmakers and to thinking they did
01:45:52.459 --> 01:45:57.183
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I find it a bit embarrassing, but that's on them, fuck them.
01:45:57.463 --> 01:45:58.944
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's some fucking bullshit.
01:45:59.745 --> 01:46:04.268
[SPEAKER_01]: And like a lot of other angel studios films, not all, but a lot.
01:46:04.308 --> 01:46:06.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially their very conservative leaning films.
01:46:07.903 --> 01:46:11.187
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be ends with an intriguing to the audience.
01:46:11.427 --> 01:46:15.691
[SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey Graham, or shows up, and he's got like an American flag waving on the background or some shit.
01:46:16.232 --> 01:46:20.496
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's talking about how this film isn't a film, it's a movement.
01:46:20.997 --> 01:46:23.139
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you give us extra money,
01:46:24.247 --> 01:46:36.249
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just your ticket, but to like spend on tickets for other people to see this movie, we could be number one at the box office as if one is a sort of achievement for us.
01:46:36.409 --> 01:46:38.270
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's some sort of noble thing.
01:46:39.690 --> 01:46:45.111
[SPEAKER_01]: And as if, and again, there's a theory we have in capitalism that people are voting with their money.
01:46:45.591 --> 01:46:49.112
[SPEAKER_01]: What we pay for is what we want, so we'll get more of it.
01:46:51.187 --> 01:47:06.233
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is ending a movie about like the founder of America, the pillar of democracy, flawed though it is, where everyone is supposed to get their own vote, eventually.
01:47:08.854 --> 01:47:12.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end, you're arguing for essentially voter fraud.
01:47:12.896 --> 01:47:14.156
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not just giving it box.
01:47:14.216 --> 01:47:18.598
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing to say, I like the work you're doing, I like to contribute to your Kickstarter.
01:47:19.203 --> 01:47:21.624
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you're being honest and I'm fine.
01:47:23.005 --> 01:47:31.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Asking for money that is going to go into tickets for people who may not even use them, and in previous instances we know have not.
01:47:32.709 --> 01:47:34.030
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just giving the money.
01:47:35.068 --> 01:47:57.343
[SPEAKER_00]: it's inflating the box office which suggests that more people are interested in this then they're really armed and they really believed in their conservative messaging they wouldn't need to do that so they don't believe it know that they don't and it's all based on this very strange con based on just the way people react to stuff online this is of
01:47:58.203 --> 01:48:10.609
[SPEAKER_00]: This Angel Studios is exists for the kinds of people who think that audience scores on Rotten Tomato Matter, the kinds of people who see a number on a website and think that this is somehow moving the culture.
01:48:11.149 --> 01:48:17.713
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't need a bunch of money and prove that this movie has made a lot of money, that it will somehow
01:48:18.373 --> 01:48:37.222
[SPEAKER_00]: alter the culture at large to prove that conservative ideas are popular yeah it has nothing to do with the artistic integrity of the film not at all no that's all it's all this uh like culture war bullshit game so i don't approve of what they do they did this with that animal farm movie i think that animal farm movie is that animal farm end with that
01:48:37.502 --> 01:48:39.583
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe you.
01:48:39.724 --> 01:48:41.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I just said go buy the merch.
01:48:41.405 --> 01:48:42.225
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not the first one.
01:48:42.245 --> 01:48:43.586
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not the first one.
01:48:43.606 --> 01:48:45.227
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
01:48:45.367 --> 01:48:45.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
01:48:45.968 --> 01:48:50.851
[SPEAKER_00]: What I found interesting about that movie is they don't even know what the message is in that movie or why they made it.
01:48:50.891 --> 01:48:54.393
[SPEAKER_01]: No, in fact, making merch for that movie is entirely against the movie if you think about it.
01:48:54.413 --> 01:48:56.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's very anti-capitalist.
01:48:57.668 --> 01:48:59.229
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they typically do this with their Christian movies.
01:48:59.269 --> 01:49:03.153
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen them not do it with movies back to other better movies.
01:49:03.173 --> 01:49:10.599
[SPEAKER_01]: Within the last year, they came out with a very good romantic comedy, starring Kevin James, called Solo Mio, which is about to come out.
01:49:10.619 --> 01:49:12.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Guy who goes to Italy.
01:49:12.040 --> 01:49:13.081
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very sweet movie.
01:49:13.121 --> 01:49:17.125
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to Italy to get married to his girlfriend, her dream wedding.
01:49:17.545 --> 01:49:18.666
[SPEAKER_01]: She leaves him at the altar.
01:49:19.086 --> 01:49:22.629
[SPEAKER_01]: But he still got this done, refundable honeymoon package.
01:49:22.669 --> 01:49:24.531
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes on at any way and falls in love there.
01:49:25.191 --> 01:49:27.253
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cute and it's a well-made movie.
01:49:27.993 --> 01:49:28.854
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it works.
01:49:29.134 --> 01:49:45.845
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't put that message at the end of that And then they did a really good kids horror movie last year called sketch About like a pond in the back with someone's like, you know, how some like the woods and if you like Drop something in there like if like they dropped like
01:49:46.565 --> 01:50:00.734
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a dead plant in there when you picked it up the plant would be alive But a bunch of kids drawings fall into it and the kid is dealing with some shit And they were drawing a whole bunch of scary monsters and how these scary monsters that look like kids drawings But they're still really scary.
01:50:00.914 --> 01:50:03.275
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh come out That's kind of the it works.
01:50:03.295 --> 01:50:09.079
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a bunch of like eyeball spiders and like you know It works like it's a good movie.
01:50:09.139 --> 01:50:10.339
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that movie a lot.
01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:14.542
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth recommending Angel Studios doesn't only make bad movies
01:50:15.574 --> 01:50:37.589
[SPEAKER_01]: But the conservative leaning stuff they make is generally quite terrible, and on the occasion in which they do make a halfway decent one, they did one year, year and a half ago, called Homestead, which was sort of a post-apocalyptic one, which has a lot of laughable stuff in it, but ultimately did have a pretty positive message, a very Christian message about
01:50:39.899 --> 01:50:53.703
[SPEAKER_01]: not hoarding what you have and making sure that if you contribute to a community and don't just keep all the money and all the supplies and everything for yourself, that helps everyone in the community including you.
01:50:55.004 --> 01:50:55.724
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good message.
01:50:56.784 --> 01:51:06.547
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they panhandle for money afterwards like it's like no, but if you were giving that money to charity, yes, otherwise you're defeating
01:51:10.162 --> 01:51:10.822
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't work.
01:51:11.182 --> 01:51:12.343
[SPEAKER_01]: They sold the ticket already.
01:51:12.803 --> 01:51:13.504
[SPEAKER_00]: You paid your mind.
01:51:13.644 --> 01:51:29.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that if you want to see it again Yeah, what have you done to earn a second ticket from me after I've paid for it Like if you like it enough to see it again, that's Right, but like if another ticket and if you if someone says oh, I'd like to go I really can't afford it right now and you want to pay for their ticket.
01:51:29.771 --> 01:51:31.272
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine, but giving
01:51:32.172 --> 01:51:37.794
[SPEAKER_01]: This company money, which they promise they'll spend on tickets, but there's no guarantee they'll go to a human being.
01:51:38.574 --> 01:51:41.715
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know for a fact that in the past that they have not always gone to a human being.
01:51:41.735 --> 01:51:44.716
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was the deal with, what was it, the sound of freedom?
01:51:44.796 --> 01:51:45.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Sound of freedom?
01:51:45.536 --> 01:51:46.336
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not thunder.
01:51:46.356 --> 01:51:47.376
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a free bread burst.
01:51:47.396 --> 01:51:48.177
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no.
01:51:48.357 --> 01:51:49.937
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't see sound of freedom.
01:51:49.957 --> 01:51:50.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Sound of thunder is quite bad.
01:51:51.458 --> 01:51:53.518
[SPEAKER_01]: Also has been Kingsley in it.
01:51:53.598 --> 01:51:57.679
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate Ben Kingsley because he doesn't film this movie in, by the way.
01:51:58.040 --> 01:51:59.040
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can also tell,
01:52:00.340 --> 01:52:03.203
[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't pay him to stand up.
01:52:03.243 --> 01:52:07.467
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been most of the movie behind the desk and occasionally twice.
01:52:08.167 --> 01:52:10.710
[SPEAKER_01]: He stands up and walks to the front of the desk.
01:52:11.370 --> 01:52:13.893
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they were able to get at it, and he's sleeping.
01:52:13.953 --> 01:52:16.135
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing a movie called Blood Wraith.
01:52:16.155 --> 01:52:16.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:52:16.815 --> 01:52:18.617
[SPEAKER_01]: The vampire film based on a video game.
01:52:18.637 --> 01:52:20.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He played like the vampire lord.
01:52:20.398 --> 01:52:21.800
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's at the whole movie on a chair.
01:52:21.820 --> 01:52:23.281
[SPEAKER_00]: He sits in the throne and that's it.
01:52:23.321 --> 01:52:24.762
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets up and bites somebody once.
01:52:25.363 --> 01:52:29.226
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a sword fight at the end and they got one lunge out of him.
01:52:30.286 --> 01:52:31.747
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very disinterested line.
01:52:31.767 --> 01:52:34.229
[SPEAKER_01]: She just goes, and that's it.
01:52:36.150 --> 01:52:37.571
[SPEAKER_00]: They had them for half a day, man.
01:52:37.591 --> 01:52:38.312
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just one of those acting.
01:52:38.332 --> 01:52:39.153
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant actor.
01:52:39.833 --> 01:52:41.154
[SPEAKER_01]: But he'll do your movie.
01:52:41.474 --> 01:52:42.935
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll take the paycheck.
01:52:42.955 --> 01:52:45.857
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's been ending on how dignified the movie is.
01:52:46.257 --> 01:52:47.839
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much effort he'll put into it.
01:52:47.899 --> 01:52:49.560
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't blame him for that.
01:52:50.542 --> 01:52:52.623
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, say yeah, young Washington.
01:52:52.643 --> 01:52:56.044
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, the, the actor who plays Washington, he's, he's pretty good.
01:52:56.064 --> 01:52:58.784
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope this doesn't hurt as much because I think he could do something.
01:52:58.864 --> 01:53:01.085
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, it's way bad.
01:53:01.765 --> 01:53:02.345
[SPEAKER_00]: That's quite bad.
01:53:02.405 --> 01:53:03.265
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a variety of levels.
01:53:03.486 --> 01:53:03.766
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:53:03.806 --> 01:53:06.066
[SPEAKER_01]: And on that note, it is time to wrap up the podcast.
01:53:06.086 --> 01:53:10.868
[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to review our movies on a scale of C minus to C plus the lowest rating.
01:53:10.888 --> 01:53:12.408
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can get is a C minus.
01:53:12.428 --> 01:53:13.728
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are movies that we do not recommend.
01:53:14.589 --> 01:53:17.129
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't think overall they're worth recommending.
01:53:17.149 --> 01:53:17.809
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we hate them.
01:53:17.829 --> 01:53:19.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we just think they kind of stink a little bit.
01:53:20.645 --> 01:53:23.048
[SPEAKER_01]: those are weakings, we could probably label bad movies.
01:53:23.649 --> 01:53:24.810
[SPEAKER_01]: A C is an average movie.
01:53:24.850 --> 01:53:28.755
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a movie that, you know, some people might like it more than others, maybe it's probably just a mixed back.
01:53:29.236 --> 01:53:37.166
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a C plus is a movie that we genuinely recommend, maybe we simply like it a lot, maybe we think it's the best movie ever, anywhere in that zone, you gotta C plus.
01:53:37.647 --> 01:53:38.147
[SPEAKER_01]: On that note.
01:53:39.116 --> 01:53:41.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Young Washington, see mine it, say it's quite bad.
01:53:41.297 --> 01:53:42.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so on.
01:53:42.377 --> 01:53:45.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad and multiple levels, uh, nightmares, nightmares.
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:49.220
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I see, I think it's, uh, memorable.
01:53:49.280 --> 01:53:52.282
[SPEAKER_00]: It's off, uh, off, uh, off-kilter, off-center.
01:53:52.722 --> 01:53:53.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:53:53.362 --> 01:53:53.962
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I saw it.
01:53:54.343 --> 01:53:57.544
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not, not a stone-cold classic, but, you know, okay.
01:53:57.844 --> 01:53:58.665
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good.
01:53:58.685 --> 01:54:00.787
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, interesting, erotic thriller with a good angle.
01:54:00.967 --> 01:54:01.288
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:54:01.328 --> 01:54:03.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Anola Holmes 3, a dispassionate C-minus.
01:54:03.831 --> 01:54:07.014
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like terrible, but it does not work.
01:54:07.234 --> 01:54:12.540
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially compared to the previous two, which are very solid, very energetic, very entertaining.
01:54:14.602 --> 01:54:15.443
[SPEAKER_01]: Just paper movies.
01:54:15.663 --> 01:54:16.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they function.
01:54:16.623 --> 01:54:22.846
[SPEAKER_01]: This one doesn't so see minus gale do-tree and the celebrity sex pass I was amused.
01:54:22.866 --> 01:54:25.407
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna give it a say it is by no means a comedy class.
01:54:25.507 --> 01:54:35.411
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really sloppy But I found the sloppyness to be a little bit charming, and I like the guys from the state I like the they I like their type of humor, so I was on board with this one.
01:54:35.591 --> 01:54:36.632
[SPEAKER_00]: All right evil dead burn
01:54:37.913 --> 01:54:48.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going back and forth on this one because I do think it's incredibly effective, but I had such a miserable time watching it.
01:54:48.839 --> 01:54:51.001
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the photography is quite bad.
01:54:51.061 --> 01:54:56.124
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the script and the thing, the lighting is bad, but the camera work is great.
01:54:56.764 --> 01:55:00.946
[SPEAKER_00]: The cinematography, the actual visual aspect of it is a little weak.
01:55:02.567 --> 01:55:04.408
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's also incredibly powerful.
01:55:04.428 --> 01:55:05.589
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I'm going to give it a seat plus.
01:55:05.829 --> 01:55:06.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:55:06.450 --> 01:55:09.131
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's definitely going to stay with me.
01:55:09.352 --> 01:55:09.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:10.072 --> 01:55:10.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:10.532 --> 01:55:11.153
[SPEAKER_01]: It's another one.
01:55:11.273 --> 01:55:15.896
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a movie where this kind of horror movie is not going to appeal to a lot of people.
01:55:16.056 --> 01:55:20.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's kind of like a session where like they're just really mean movies.
01:55:21.019 --> 01:55:23.020
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some people where that's the horror they like.
01:55:23.360 --> 01:55:27.903
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other people who have zero interest in that and if that's you, this is probably going to be a sea mine is to you.
01:55:27.923 --> 01:55:28.384
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me.
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:46.271
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for me it averages out to a high sea like this is not quite a full-throated recommendation, but I appreciate what they're going for and I think they get close enough there and even though it's more harsh than I typically like, this particular kind of movie I think they're going for it on purpose and they're more or less succeeding.
01:55:46.511 --> 01:55:47.172
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:55:47.372 --> 01:55:48.613
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, thank you for the high sea.
01:55:49.674 --> 01:55:50.574
[SPEAKER_01]: Minions and monsters.
01:55:51.135 --> 01:55:51.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Also a scene.
01:55:52.476 --> 01:55:53.897
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like its mad cap nature.
01:55:53.917 --> 01:56:00.803
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the fact that it's barely a movie kind of hangs together by its own comedic moxie and I think the minions are amusing.
01:56:00.863 --> 01:56:02.844
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was amused to see.
01:56:04.005 --> 01:56:06.027
[SPEAKER_01]: I was briefly amused and then it was bored.
01:56:07.008 --> 01:56:08.849
[SPEAKER_01]: So while I can respect
01:56:09.550 --> 01:56:21.783
[SPEAKER_01]: what they were going for and I appreciate the intent to mad cap and I can appreciate all of the film critic friendly references that feel like they were specifically designed to get us to finally give the movie a pass.
01:56:22.263 --> 01:56:23.445
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get a high sea minus.
01:56:23.625 --> 01:56:25.707
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I don't have any of a mocity towards it.
01:56:25.727 --> 01:56:26.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it works.
01:56:27.469 --> 01:56:28.450
[SPEAKER_01]: And then lastly, Moana.
01:56:28.909 --> 01:56:31.011
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see mine us.
01:56:31.171 --> 01:56:31.672
[SPEAKER_00]: It's useless.
01:56:32.012 --> 01:56:32.973
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not addressing anything.
01:56:32.993 --> 01:56:33.774
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not saying anything.
01:56:33.814 --> 01:56:35.155
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not interesting to look at.
01:56:35.175 --> 01:56:37.918
[SPEAKER_00]: The songs are the same ones you know.
01:56:39.259 --> 01:56:45.225
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too recent to the original and if you're just going to remake it with pretty much the same script, do something interesting and they didn't.
01:56:45.685 --> 01:56:46.086
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
01:56:46.466 --> 01:56:47.587
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it falls down everywhere.
01:56:47.627 --> 01:56:49.229
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustratingly redundant.
01:56:49.629 --> 01:57:09.029
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the cast is giving it like a lot of effort, and I think some of them are genuine like great, but it's in the service of complete pointlessness other than, you know, I mean, good for you for making the movie, I guess, but like there's a certain point where like a general sort of baseline competence,
01:57:10.710 --> 01:57:35.788
[SPEAKER_01]: no longer feels competent like it's just it's not enough to justify the movie's existence so while it is far from the worst Disney live action remake it is also not good I don't get any of the sea minus as well alright that is it for critically acclaimed it will be back next week of the review of the Odyssey it's right the Odyssey is coming out the new Christopher Nolan movie about let me check my notes here
01:57:36.848 --> 01:57:37.689
[SPEAKER_01]: Space Odyssey.
01:57:37.849 --> 01:57:38.549
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, space Odyssey.
01:57:38.570 --> 01:57:38.910
[SPEAKER_00]: No shit.
01:57:39.170 --> 01:57:39.350
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:57:39.911 --> 01:57:41.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Homer's Space Odyssey.
01:57:42.493 --> 01:57:44.975
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Mediterranean is a certain amount of space.
01:57:45.255 --> 01:57:49.779
[SPEAKER_00]: From the days of pre-literage Greece, I'll just have to go and pretend I can't read.
01:57:52.081 --> 01:57:53.762
[SPEAKER_01]: And other things as well, I assume.
01:57:53.942 --> 01:57:54.963
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