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When money becomes a woman's first love.
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She was under the mistaken impression that her father was
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wealthy and hiding money.
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From her friends and family. Can be victims, very ugly,
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very brutal, blood everywhere of their greed.
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I want to get that one of their own should
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be the killer. Was something which psychologically traumatized that community.
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And remorse is nonexistent.
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She didn't say to shed any teaser.
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For these deadly women, life is worth nothing. They kill
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for cash. A woman wanting revenge.
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She's very bitter against her.
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Father, can be dangerous.
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If somebody else had to die that didn't bother her, and.
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The consequences unimaginable.
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No one questioned how ridiculous this plan was.
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In every town, there are people living on the edge.
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In two thousand and three, Erie, Pennsylvania, Marjorie dial Armstrong
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is one of them. Unable to hold down a job,
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she's desperate for cash.
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Nothing nothing, you got nothing, What are you complaining about?
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At fifty one, Marjorie appeals to her father to bail
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her out. Yet again. It's a far cry from her
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early days.
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She was a valed victorian of her high school class,
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was considered to be an intelligent person.
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Classmates described her as extremely intelligent, that she had an
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almost encyclopedic grasp of history, literature, and the law her part.
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But in middle age, Marjorie has nothing. So when her
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mother dies and leaves an inheritance of half a million dollars,
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Marjorie thinks it should be hers.
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Her father gave her fifty thousand dollars and essentially told
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her he was planning on spending the rest before This
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did not make her happy.
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Marjorie believes her father is stealing hundreds of thousands of
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dollars from her. Her anger is compounded by mental illness.
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The bipolar disorder that she suffered from seemingly caused lots
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of problems in how she behaved and dealt with things,
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and again it's one of the sad side effects of
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mental illness.
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Bipolar disorder is a very serious psychiatric condition characterized by
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wide mood swings from being extremely depressed to what is
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known as a mania, a kind of wonderful, euphoric high.
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Marjorie wants revenge against her father and her hands on
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her inheritance at any cost.
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Her plan was to hire a hitman to assassinate her
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father and then she would be rich.
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So will you do it?
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Ken?
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Yeah, I'll do it.
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She asks fishing buddy Ken Barnes to do her dirty work.
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I don't need one hundred and twenty five rand up front.
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But murder comes at a price.
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Okay, I can't pay till I get the inheritance.
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No way, that's money up front of No da.
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How can an impoverished woman come up with that much
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cash by coming up with another mad cap scheme?
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She simply was not using common sense. Decided, oh well, okay,
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we'll get one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. We'll
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just rob a bank.
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Marjorie recruits another accomplice, her former lover and science teacher,
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Bill Rothstein.
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The box fits on the collar, the collar goes on neck.
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He was really intelligent in terms of how to build
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complicated and complex devices.
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That was something that he did for students in class.
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If we use a collar bomb and they'll have to leave
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the bank, their heist calls for a human bomb.
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They would dare shoot him or try.
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And touch you.
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They'll have to know we can blow it up if
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they approaching.
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Do you think he can do it?
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Can?
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And Marjorie knows just the right Patsy to wear it.
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Speak it up, Ryan, you're going to have this wrong without.
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The first.
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I need to measure your neck, Yeah.
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Joey right.
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Brian Wells basically lived by himself.
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He had cats and a small, very unassuming house, and
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he had worked as this pizza delivery man.
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Brian is told the bomb will be a fake, but
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trusting Marjorie is dangerous.
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Marjorie's bipolar mania was absolutely out of control. It was
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controlling her life. No one was safe.
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Marjorie Deal Armstrong is holding a diluted grudge against her father.
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She's prepared to go to extremes to get revenge.
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Smotley Crue characters decided to hatch this plot to rob
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a local bank and get that money and then use
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it to pay for the for the hit on Marjorie
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Deal's father.
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He's a great man. We'll all be rich, James.
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Marjorie shares her secret with her boyfriend James rodin.
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You must be crazy. Please tell me you're joking.
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But she gets a negative response.
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Don't do it, don't anyone, will you?
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And that's bad news for James.
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Of course, not will you.
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Marjorie was the type of woman people didn't say no to.
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She convinces Bill Rothstein, her collaborator, to help cover up
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the murder.
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Rostine not only disposed the body in his freezer, but
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I understand he also had cleaned up the room where
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the murder had taken place.
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Marjorie gives him another gruesome task, promises grind him up later,
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won't you sure?
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With a lot of these people involved with this conspiracy
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were easily manipulated to do things that possibly they wouldn't
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actually want to do, and that was one of the
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things with Brian Wells.
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Marjorie's crazy plan calls for a bank robbery to raise
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the money to pay for the hitman to kill her father.
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Next please, the PNC bank will be held up by
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a man not with a gun but wearing a fake
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collar bomb. But on the day of the robbery, Brian
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Wells finds out the bomb is real.
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It's explosively real.
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They are.
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Just to make sure you and everyone in the bank
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behaves right.
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Keep steal Brian as much movement of that bomb.
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Marjorie's manipulation knows no limits. Everyone in her gang is
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under her control. Brian's life is in her hands.
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We believe he was part of the conspiracy up until
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the time he realized that they're going to put a
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live bomb on him next pase.
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The plan is simple. Brian hands over a note threatening
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to blow up everyone unless they empty the vault.
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There's no way that I can get to the vault, Rignancer.
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But from the start things don't go according to plan.
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The teller can't open the vault, and Brian only gets
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money from the till.
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It was not a good plan. She gave him eighty
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one hundred, which is all she had. Brian Wells said
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okay and walked out of the bank.
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Brian's day is about to go from bad to worse.
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As this bank was being robbed by Brian Wells, law
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enforcement was across the street eating think.
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Ever, go off, go off?
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We heard on the scanner this report of state police
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had stopped somebody who had just robbed a bank and
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he had a bob and that's when we kind of realized,
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I don't think this is a this is a fake bomb.
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Something something big is going on.
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This is something that that's beyond the ordinary.
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Police soon realized the bomb is a threat to everyone.
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They isolate Brian and call the bombs want.
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Why is nobody's trying to get the sting off. I
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don't know a lot of time.
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The State police is really not much they could have done.
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They weren't bomb technicians, they didn't have bomb suits. They
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don't know what device this is, how it's going to
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go off, whether it's triggered by a remote. So really
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there's not a lot they could do. Just sit and
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wait for the bomb squad to arrive.
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Why witnessing the whole debacle our Marjorie and her accomplice Bill,
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They have no control and neither does anyone else got
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a helmet, The bomb squad will be too late.
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When all of a sudden bang, I'm not lying. You
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could hear the tinkling of trapnel hitting the ground a
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few feet from where we were standing. The FBI said
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that they have never seen anything like before or since.
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Brian Wells decided to help with the bank robbery. He
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knew exactly what he was getting into. He did not, however,
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intend to die.
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Brian Wells and her boyfriend James are dead and still
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Marjorie hasn't got enough money to hire her hitman.
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Marjorie didn't mind having collateral damage that if in her
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plot to get money to kill her father, that somebody
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else had to die that didn't bother her.
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Nobody suspects Marjorie of any crime until Bill Rothstein snaps
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he can I can't he to grind up Marjorie's boyfriend,
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but he would rather give himself up police.
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I need to talk to somebody. I need to what about.
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January two thousand and five, Marjorie is initially convicted of
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her boyfriend's murder. It takes another five years to prove
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her involvement in the Collar Bomb bank robbery. She is
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sentenced to life.
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Had Marjorie sought out psychiatric treatment, it's entirely possible she
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never would have killed anyone and might have actually had
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a happy life.
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Bill Rothstein dies from cancer before he is sentenced. Ken
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Burns pleads guilty and is sentenced to forty five years.
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It's amazing what people will do to get what they want.
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To this day, Marjorie claims her bipolar condition makes her
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not responsible.
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The vast majority of people with bipolar disorder, whether treated
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or not, never ever would kill another person and never
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do kill anyone. That isn't what happened here.
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When life goes off the rails.
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She doesn't care about somebody else. She doesn't care about
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a child.
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And it is difficult to survive.
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She needed those drugs and it was nothing that's going
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to stop her.
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Desperation can lead to desper action.
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This is not someone we want out walking among us.
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In nineteen eighty eight, on the dark streets of Anaheim, California,
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a teenage girl is desperate for cash to feed a habit.
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Rosie used heroine. She used whatever she could get her
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hands on.
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Rosie Alfaro's traumatic life has left her scarred.
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She began using drugs at an early age. She was
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turned out as a prostitute at the age of fourteen.
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Constantly running away from home.
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Rosie's family feels powerless to help.
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Her. Mother indicated that she would see her loaded see
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her with the drug use once you'd come to visitor,
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but there's nothing she could do.
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By eighteen, Rosie has a son, but nowhere to live.
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The family of a school friend, eighteen year old April Wallace,
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takes them in. She has a nine year old sister, Autumn,
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who loves having an extended family, but the rest of
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the household doesn't.
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She was using drugs. I love and the people that
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she hung around were drug users.
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No, that's just not good enough. I said that you
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can stay with us if you hold your out a
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place that you want, And where.
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Are you going?
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She'd be home, resting. No, I've just got to be
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some friends.
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Despite the generosity of the family, Rosie doesn't settle down.
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She passed her time during the day trying to find
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things that would bring her money so she could buy drugs.
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She can't stay here, she goes on.
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She's told to leave, but it won't be the last
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time Rosie visits the Wallace's. Rosie has a new home,
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a squalid one, and she's desperate for money.
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She's living near Disheyland and it was in a kind
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of a rundown area with a bunch of junkies.
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And drugs and alcohol in the human body reduce inhibitions,
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and sometimes when people are high on either one of
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those things or both, they will do things that they
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never would have even considered in their clean and sober moments.
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Well did you get any you said, normal credit?
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I can't.
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I being down now, no money, no way.
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One day on June fifteenth, nineteen ninety, cold hearted Rosie
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will do anything to get high.
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Wait, I always get some stuff to sell.
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In the past, she sold her body. Today she has
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another idea to see. The Wallace family has a routine.
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Autumn often stayed by yourself in the afternoon after school
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before her mom got home in the evening.
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So it's a nice surprise for the nine year old
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when she gets of this from a familiar face.
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When she saw Rosie at the door, there's no question
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she would have let her in and just trusted.
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Her home alone, Autumn enjoys the company. Little does she
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know she's playing with danger.
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She needed those drugs and it was nothing that's going
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to stop her.
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I'm just going to the bathroom day, okay.
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Teenage mom Rosie Alfaro is a drug addict desperate for money.
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In the past she has sold herself. Now she has
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another plan. On June fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine, year old
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Audio Wallace is home alone.
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Autumn was a little nine year old, a little blonde girl,
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very cute and very popular at school. And she was
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She gave her her mom no trouble whatsoever. A very
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easy child, very smart child.
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I'll be back soon.
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Rosie arrives with her baby and two druggies. Cause me break,
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but Rosie's idea of robbery is stealing a life.
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The keep a witness from saying who it was that
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stole all the stuff out of the house.
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She realized she's.
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Gonna have to kill her because she'd recognize her. Rosie
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indicated she saw a knife in the kitchen and she
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took that knife.
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I'm just goot to his bathroom, ok, that cat.
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And then went back in the bath through under the
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guys fixing her hair.
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Can you come into here for a moment.
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And lured Autumn into the bathroom.
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Yes, I wash these for me.
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Thank you.
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The stab wounds were in her back and in her
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front and in her face.
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They're all over she was laying on her back, was
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very ugly, very booty, blood everywhere.
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She stabbed her repeatedly, over fifty times.
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The fact that Rosie stabbed Autumn in excess of fifty
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times a nine year old girl, one well placed stab
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wound would have done the job, but she does it
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fifty times or more to me, speaks of rage and drugs.
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Maybe because of that, Rosie didn't want any other little
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girl to have a happy life either, And maybe there
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was more revenge in this killing than we think.
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Rosie definitely remembers seeing Autumn's eyes looking at her when
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she finally died.
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It's very disturbing, very disturbing staying this.
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Rosie ransacks the house.
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After Rosie stabbed Autumn, she stepped over her and with
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a bloody footprint, went from room to room looking for
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items to steal, leaving that little boy, that toddler in
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the front of that house while she's in her brutally
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killing an eight year old girl. It's just unimaginable for
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a mother to be able to do that.
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Two hours later, a hard working mom's life turns upside down.
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I'll give you two hundred, can't you give you a
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bit more?
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Rosie wastes no time fencing the stolen goods for a
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pitiful amount.
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I'll give you two forty take it or leave it
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to take it.
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Afterwards. I think the net figure she got was two
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hundred and forty dollars. Kind of a cheap price for
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the life of a little nine year old girl.
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Cash in hand, Rosie returns to the scene of her crime.
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I'm a friend of April.
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Can I speak of that?
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No, ma'am, that's not positive.
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Often killers return to the scene of the crime. There's
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a variety of different reasons they do this. Sometimes it's
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to view the body. Sometimes it's to remove evidence they
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may have left. Sometimes it's for kicks. It turns them on.
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Rosie returning to the scene of the crime put her
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right into the center of the investigation.
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And she's made another mistake. She leaves a bloody footprint.
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There's only one footprint in blood near the body, so
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there was a lack of any other footprints.
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The police officer remembers the suspicious teenager on the night
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of the murder. They track Rosie down.
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And that bloody shoeprint they had something concrete to go on.
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They found the shoes in where she was living, and
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Matt's shoeprint too. So Rosie did herself in as far
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as getting caught for that crime.
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In nineteen ninety two, Rosie Alfaro is convicted of first
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degree murder and is condemned to die.
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She had no feelings for what she had done to
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another human being, especially a young child, and especially being
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a mother herself. It's very disturbing, very disturbing.
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Rosie chooses drugs over a child's life and has never
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said sorry.
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Rosie is a sociopath and she has no empathy for
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other human beings, and it would help explain why she
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was able to number one murder her friend's little sister
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in such a horrible way, and number two have no
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remorse about it.
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She remains on death row in the Central California Women's Facility.
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This is not someone we want out walking among us.
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Envy of others can be dangerous.
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That would be her dream to own such property.
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It can turn neighbor against neighbor.
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She would say anything to get what she wanted.
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I don't even know if I can tell you with
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chilling consequences.
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This involved the of violence that was very great.
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That leave communities in shock.
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That one of their own should be the killer, psychologically
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traumatized that community.
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Two thousand and six. Maurra, New South Wales, Australia a small,
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peaceful town where Greg Houser and his wife Katherine McKay
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own a horse farm.
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They were just a loving couple, gave their time for
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community groups and organizations.
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They bored horses on their property. One of their clients
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is thirty five year old Kim Snibson, a mom with
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two young daughters.
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Kim Snipson seemed to be your average mom. She was
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an animal lover. She had dogs, she had horse. She seemed
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to the rule lost all of now.
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But Kim is a very jealous person. She envies Greg
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and Catherine's small property. She can only dream of owning
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one for now.
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Champagne Shires would be her dream to own such property.
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It reflected all the things that she loved the most,
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touching upon her connection with animals.
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Kim has a dark side. She hides from her family
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and an evil plan.
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For a significant period of time, she had plans which
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involve the infliction of violence to obtain something, probably property.
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We could do this, okidnap them, get them to someone
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the house and to me, and then kill them.
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She tries to recruit acquaintances to help.
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What do you think.
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Most thinks she is joking, it's your kid, No worries
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She's not.
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No, I'm serious.
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We could do this.
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I could split the money fifty to fifty.
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There was a history of manipulative behavior, lying in order
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to achieve her ends. There was the element of seeking
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people to sign over property to her.
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Friends try to warn Kim's devoted husband Paul, and.
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She said, if I could help her to kill.
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Them about her bizarre plants.
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He was a break.
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Say that, but he doesn't believe their stories.
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Oh, she did say that.
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Kim is a very bright person did Unfortunately, she used
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that intellect of hers for evil.
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Kim has the perfect place to stable her horse in
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the carrying hands of Greg and Catherine.
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She went to the property regularly to tender her own
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horse and got to know Greg and Katherine in that way.
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Though very well respected and loved in that town, it's
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a small town. Everybody knows each other.
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Kim always wants something for nothing and doesn't pay the bill.
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She owed them three hundred dollars for taking care of
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her horses.
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It's a small amount.
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Listen, I just wanted to let you know I can't
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afford to pay my bill right now, but I promise
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I will pay as soon as I can. That's okay,
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what have you got it?
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Thank you?
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Thanks Now, Greg and Catherine are understanding. But that doesn't
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make Kim happy. Instead, it fuels her jealousy of the couple.
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She envied what they had.
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Clearly she had her sights on them.
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Kim starts fantasizing about owning their horse property.
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She wanted them to somehow sign over their their farm
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to her.
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It's an insane idea, but like she's done in the past,
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she tries to recruit help.
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I know that you're a family man. I wasn't even
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sure if I should.
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Be telling you this, but by doing what she does best,
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manipulating people.
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There was a history of manipulative behavior, lying in order
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to achieve her ends.
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She spins neighbor Andrew flint Jar a wicked lie about
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Greg and Catherine.
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Andrew was told by Kim that the couple sexually abused
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her child and had videoed the episode.
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That's disgusting.
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People like that should be shot exactly.
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They need to be punished. I should belt him for
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touching her.
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There was no evidence at any time in court that
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Catherine or Gregg had engaged anything like that.
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Andrew thinks it's just muscles.
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She wants.
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For it.
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With Andrew on board, Kim approaches another neighbor.
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Stacy Lea. Kate was a known criminal. He had said
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that he had wanted to get his life back on track.
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What what happened to Kim?
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Kim fabricates a different story.
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He drobe me.
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And then he philmed me performing this.
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Sex facts.
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It was horrible.
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Stacy Lee Caton was told by her that a couple
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had drugged her, sexually assaulted her, and videoed the episode.
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It seems to be a title fantasy on her.
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Part Stacy, so she employed a means of modulating the
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story depending on the person who was the recipient of
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it to press the right buttons. The theme was always
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one of sexual impropriety, and of course this nothing excites
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people's sympathy more than that.
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Two men, two different lies, but both take the bait
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I want to.
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She knew exactly what to say to each one to
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get them worked up enough to help her kill.
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It was a very dangerous thing for her to do.
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It was these two I had never met each other
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before and had no reason to meet.
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I hope you, Kim, just tell me what you want
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me to do.
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Both men underestimate Kim's true nature.
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Sit there.
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Kim Snibson was the perfect sociopath. Sociopaths love to manipulate
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other people. It's fun for them. They consider it part
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of the chase, part of the leading up to any crime.
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Kim's ready to make her twisted dreams a deadly reality.
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Finally, she worked up to the ultimate crime.
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I've got an idea. It's gonna take a lot of work.
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January twenty eighth, two thousand and six, Narrah, Australia. Thirty
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five year old Kim Snipson wants something for nothing. Her
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web of lies has convinced locals Andrew Flintyard and Stacy
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Lee Caton to help her. They think they are needed
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to rough up the owners of a horse farm.
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Hi, Greg, can you come over? There's something I want
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to talk to you about.
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Kim lures Greg hos to her. Ho else.
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Helped?
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He came quickly after that conversation occurred. He didn't think
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that he was in any danger or that there would
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be any problem.
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Kim, Hello, it's me. It's great.
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He was struck to the head with a lump of
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wood hog tie, meaning his feet were bound and pulled
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up behind his back.
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He said, why is this happening? Andrew Flanjar has said
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it's because of what you did to the kids, or
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he said something about being a pedophile.
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The men finally realize they have been told different lies, which.
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Is not what Stacey really cat And had heard at
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all that according to him, that's not why he was there.
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Kim must have known that the point in time would
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be breached where her lies would be past. But she
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would have then taken things to the point.
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In my return with Greg in agony, Kim calls his
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wife Catherine.
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It's Kim.
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It's a call, and the wife would dread.
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There's something I need to tell you about Greg and I.
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We've been having an affair. Ye else could see you
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in a minute.
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There had never been any affair between Greg and Kim Snibson.
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She too was hog tied. She too had a sock
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stuffed in the mouth and tape wrapped around her mouth
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as well. One can imagine the fear suffered by these people.
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This involved a degree of violence that was very great.
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Kim gives Andrew and Stacey Lee chilling instructions. It's more
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than they bargained for.
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They collected forty four gallon drums from Champagne Shires and
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brought them back to the house.
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In an ominous move, Catherine is shoved into the oil drum.
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Kim has a horrific way to deal with her neighbor's resistance.
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She murdered Katherine's by wrapping the tape around her face
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and eyes and nose. And they stood there and watched
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her die over several minutes.
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Stacy Lee Keaton looks on. It was never meant to
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come to this.
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She's dead, Nas, He's dead.
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Kim's got a different plan for Greg.
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Kim killed Greg Hoser by garrotting him with electrical wire.
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Kim killed them both deliberately and methodically.
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Kim is a natural born killer. She wanted to commit murder.
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Kidnapped and brutally forced into makeshift coffins. A loving husband
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and wife are dead.
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Once it got dark, the barrels will loaded you into
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the back of Kim Snibson's station wagon and taken out
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to the state forest.
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Kim Snibson commits one final grizzly act.
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That would doused impetulant set alight.
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Incinerating the bodies was done for no other purpose than
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to destroy evidence that those two poor people had ever
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been to Kim's house that day. I have been involved
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in some shocking crimes involving dreadful brutality. This case stands
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out because in my career I can only reasonably expect
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to come across one or two sociopaths, and that's what
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Kim Snipson.
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Is within ours. Unable to live with a horror he's
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been part of. Stacy Lee Keaton reveals them gus did.
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Stacy Lee Kate went next door to his sister's house
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and spoke to her and her husband and gave them
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some details of what happened, and they took him to
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the police station.
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The community was devastated by it. Devastated that one of
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their own should be the killer was something which psychologically
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traumatized that community.
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As daylight breaks, police find the gruesome remains.
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All that remained of Catherine was her right foot, and
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little remained of Greg.
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Thanks to Stacey Lee's confession, Kim's quickly arrested. Her delusion
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of taking over the horse farm would never be realized.
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Would Kim have regret?
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Not?
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There will?
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We know?
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Reborts from Kim Snipson. It's not in her nature.
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I sat there in that courtroom for a couple of
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weeks so and just she didn't seem to be shedding
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any teas.
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Andrew flint Jar was found guilty of kidnapping and sentenced
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to seven years. Stacy Lee Caton was jailed for sixteen
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and a half years for aiding and a betting murder.
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On September fifth, two thousand and eight. Kim Snipson is
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found guilty of murdering Greg Hosa and Catherine McKay. She
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is sentenced to thirty two years.
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I think Kim's the only person that really knows why
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she did what she did.
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A small town in Australia will never be the same.
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Made paper wonder well, could happen to anybody, and I
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think it really shook people up.
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A person who does this lacks the quality that makes
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us human beings.
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It's unlikely Kim feels remorse for what she did. Sociopaths
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never do. If she ever does emerge from prison, watch out.
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For these deadly women. Money truly was the root of
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their evil. Marjorie dal Armstrong's bizarre plan to get rich
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left a gruesome trail of death. Drug addict Rosie Alfaro
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brutally stamped to death an innocent nine year old girl
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for a few hundred dollars, and Kim Snibson viciously murdered
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a loving couple to steal their property. These deadly women
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were ready and able to kill for cash.
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When money becomes a woman's first love.
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She was under the mistaken impression that her father was
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wealthy and hiding money.
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From her friends and family. Can be victims, very ugly,
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very brutal, blood everywhere of their greed.
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I want to get that one of their own should
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be the killer. Was something which psychologically traumatized that community.
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And remorse is nonexistent.
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She didn't say to shed any teaser.
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For these deadly women, life is worth nothing. They kill
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for cash. A woman wanting revenge.
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She's very bitter against her.
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Father, can be dangerous.
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If somebody else had to die that didn't bother her, and.
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The consequences unimaginable.
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No one questioned how ridiculous this plan was.
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In every town, there are people living on the edge.
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In two thousand and three, Erie, Pennsylvania, Marjorie dial Armstrong
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is one of them. Unable to hold down a job,
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she's desperate for cash.
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Nothing nothing, you got nothing, What are you complaining about?
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At fifty one, Marjorie appeals to her father to bail
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her out. Yet again. It's a far cry from her
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early days.
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She was a valed victorian of her high school class,
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was considered to be an intelligent person.
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Classmates described her as extremely intelligent, that she had an
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almost encyclopedic grasp of history, literature, and the law her part.
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But in middle age, Marjorie has nothing. So when her
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mother dies and leaves an inheritance of half a million dollars,
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Marjorie thinks it should be hers.
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Her father gave her fifty thousand dollars and essentially told
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her he was planning on spending the rest before This
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did not make her happy.
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Marjorie believes her father is stealing hundreds of thousands of
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dollars from her. Her anger is compounded by mental illness.
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The bipolar disorder that she suffered from seemingly caused lots
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of problems in how she behaved and dealt with things,
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and again it's one of the sad side effects of
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mental illness.
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Bipolar disorder is a very serious psychiatric condition characterized by
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wide mood swings from being extremely depressed to what is
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known as a mania, a kind of wonderful, euphoric high.
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Marjorie wants revenge against her father and her hands on
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her inheritance at any cost.
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Her plan was to hire a hitman to assassinate her
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father and then she would be rich.
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So will you do it?
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Ken?
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Yeah, I'll do it.
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She asks fishing buddy Ken Barnes to do her dirty work.
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I don't need one hundred and twenty five rand up front.
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But murder comes at a price.
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Okay, I can't pay till I get the inheritance.
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No way, that's money up front of No da.
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How can an impoverished woman come up with that much
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cash by coming up with another mad cap scheme?
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She simply was not using common sense. Decided, oh well, okay,
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we'll get one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. We'll
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just rob a bank.
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Marjorie recruits another accomplice, her former lover and science teacher,
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Bill Rothstein.
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The box fits on the collar, the collar goes on neck.
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He was really intelligent in terms of how to build
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complicated and complex devices.
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That was something that he did for students in class.
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If we use a collar bomb and they'll have to leave
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the bank, their heist calls for a human bomb.
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They would dare shoot him or try.
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And touch you.
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They'll have to know we can blow it up if
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they approaching.
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Do you think he can do it?
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Can?
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And Marjorie knows just the right Patsy to wear it.
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Speak it up, Ryan, you're going to have this wrong without.
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The first.
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I need to measure your neck, Yeah.
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Joey right.
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Brian Wells basically lived by himself.
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He had cats and a small, very unassuming house, and
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he had worked as this pizza delivery man.
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Brian is told the bomb will be a fake, but
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trusting Marjorie is dangerous.
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Marjorie's bipolar mania was absolutely out of control. It was
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controlling her life. No one was safe.
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Marjorie Deal Armstrong is holding a diluted grudge against her father.
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She's prepared to go to extremes to get revenge.
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Smotley Crue characters decided to hatch this plot to rob
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a local bank and get that money and then use
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it to pay for the for the hit on Marjorie
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Deal's father.
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He's a great man. We'll all be rich, James.
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Marjorie shares her secret with her boyfriend James rodin.
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You must be crazy. Please tell me you're joking.
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But she gets a negative response.
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Don't do it, don't anyone, will you?
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And that's bad news for James.
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Of course, not will you.
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Marjorie was the type of woman people didn't say no to.
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She convinces Bill Rothstein, her collaborator, to help cover up
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the murder.
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Rostine not only disposed the body in his freezer, but
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I understand he also had cleaned up the room where
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the murder had taken place.
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Marjorie gives him another gruesome task, promises grind him up later,
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won't you sure?
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With a lot of these people involved with this conspiracy
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were easily manipulated to do things that possibly they wouldn't
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actually want to do, and that was one of the
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things with Brian Wells.
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Marjorie's crazy plan calls for a bank robbery to raise
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the money to pay for the hitman to kill her father.
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Next please, the PNC bank will be held up by
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a man not with a gun but wearing a fake
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collar bomb. But on the day of the robbery, Brian
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Wells finds out the bomb is real.
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It's explosively real.
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They are.
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Just to make sure you and everyone in the bank
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behaves right.
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Keep steal Brian as much movement of that bomb.
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Marjorie's manipulation knows no limits. Everyone in her gang is
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under her control. Brian's life is in her hands.
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We believe he was part of the conspiracy up until
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the time he realized that they're going to put a
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live bomb on him next pase.
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The plan is simple. Brian hands over a note threatening
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to blow up everyone unless they empty the vault.
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There's no way that I can get to the vault, Rignancer.
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But from the start things don't go according to plan.
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The teller can't open the vault, and Brian only gets
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money from the till.
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It was not a good plan. She gave him eighty
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one hundred, which is all she had. Brian Wells said
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okay and walked out of the bank.
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Brian's day is about to go from bad to worse.
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As this bank was being robbed by Brian Wells, law
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enforcement was across the street eating think.
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Ever, go off, go off?
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We heard on the scanner this report of state police
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had stopped somebody who had just robbed a bank and
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he had a bob and that's when we kind of realized,
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I don't think this is a this is a fake bomb.
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Something something big is going on.
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This is something that that's beyond the ordinary.
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Police soon realized the bomb is a threat to everyone.
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They isolate Brian and call the bombs want.
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Why is nobody's trying to get the sting off. I
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don't know a lot of time.
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The State police is really not much they could have done.
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They weren't bomb technicians, they didn't have bomb suits. They
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don't know what device this is, how it's going to
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go off, whether it's triggered by a remote. So really
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there's not a lot they could do. Just sit and
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wait for the bomb squad to arrive.
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Why witnessing the whole debacle our Marjorie and her accomplice Bill,
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They have no control and neither does anyone else got
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a helmet, The bomb squad will be too late.
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When all of a sudden bang, I'm not lying. You
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could hear the tinkling of trapnel hitting the ground a
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few feet from where we were standing. The FBI said
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that they have never seen anything like before or since.
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Brian Wells decided to help with the bank robbery. He
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knew exactly what he was getting into. He did not, however,
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intend to die.
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Brian Wells and her boyfriend James are dead and still
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Marjorie hasn't got enough money to hire her hitman.
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Marjorie didn't mind having collateral damage that if in her
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plot to get money to kill her father, that somebody
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else had to die that didn't bother her.
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Nobody suspects Marjorie of any crime until Bill Rothstein snaps
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he can I can't he to grind up Marjorie's boyfriend,
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but he would rather give himself up police.
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I need to talk to somebody. I need to what about.
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January two thousand and five, Marjorie is initially convicted of
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her boyfriend's murder. It takes another five years to prove
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her involvement in the Collar Bomb bank robbery. She is
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sentenced to life.
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Had Marjorie sought out psychiatric treatment, it's entirely possible she
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never would have killed anyone and might have actually had
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a happy life.
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Bill Rothstein dies from cancer before he is sentenced. Ken
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Burns pleads guilty and is sentenced to forty five years.
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It's amazing what people will do to get what they want.
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To this day, Marjorie claims her bipolar condition makes her
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not responsible.
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The vast majority of people with bipolar disorder, whether treated
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or not, never ever would kill another person and never
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do kill anyone. That isn't what happened here.
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When life goes off the rails.
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She doesn't care about somebody else. She doesn't care about
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a child.
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And it is difficult to survive.
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She needed those drugs and it was nothing that's going
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to stop her.
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Desperation can lead to desper action.
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This is not someone we want out walking among us.
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In nineteen eighty eight, on the dark streets of Anaheim, California,
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a teenage girl is desperate for cash to feed a habit.
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Rosie used heroine. She used whatever she could get her
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hands on.
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Rosie Alfaro's traumatic life has left her scarred.
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She began using drugs at an early age. She was
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turned out as a prostitute at the age of fourteen.
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Constantly running away from home.
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Rosie's family feels powerless to help.
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Her. Mother indicated that she would see her loaded see
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her with the drug use once you'd come to visitor,
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but there's nothing she could do.
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By eighteen, Rosie has a son, but nowhere to live.
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The family of a school friend, eighteen year old April Wallace,
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takes them in. She has a nine year old sister, Autumn,
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who loves having an extended family, but the rest of
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the household doesn't.
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She was using drugs. I love and the people that
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she hung around were drug users.
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No, that's just not good enough. I said that you
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can stay with us if you hold your out a
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place that you want, And where.
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Are you going?
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She'd be home, resting. No, I've just got to be
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some friends.
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Despite the generosity of the family, Rosie doesn't settle down.
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She passed her time during the day trying to find
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things that would bring her money so she could buy drugs.
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She can't stay here, she goes on.
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She's told to leave, but it won't be the last
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time Rosie visits the Wallace's. Rosie has a new home,
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a squalid one, and she's desperate for money.
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She's living near Disheyland and it was in a kind
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of a rundown area with a bunch of junkies.
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And drugs and alcohol in the human body reduce inhibitions,
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and sometimes when people are high on either one of
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those things or both, they will do things that they
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never would have even considered in their clean and sober moments.
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Well did you get any you said, normal credit?
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I can't.
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I being down now, no money, no way.
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One day on June fifteenth, nineteen ninety, cold hearted Rosie
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will do anything to get high.
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Wait, I always get some stuff to sell.
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In the past, she sold her body. Today she has
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another idea to see. The Wallace family has a routine.
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Autumn often stayed by yourself in the afternoon after school
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before her mom got home in the evening.
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So it's a nice surprise for the nine year old
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when she gets of this from a familiar face.
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When she saw Rosie at the door, there's no question
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she would have let her in and just trusted.
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Her home alone, Autumn enjoys the company. Little does she
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know she's playing with danger.
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She needed those drugs and it was nothing that's going
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to stop her.
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I'm just going to the bathroom day, okay.
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Teenage mom Rosie Alfaro is a drug addict desperate for money.
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In the past she has sold herself. Now she has
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another plan. On June fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine, year old
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Audio Wallace is home alone.
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Autumn was a little nine year old, a little blonde girl,
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very cute and very popular at school. And she was
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She gave her her mom no trouble whatsoever. A very
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easy child, very smart child.
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I'll be back soon.
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Rosie arrives with her baby and two druggies. Cause me break,
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but Rosie's idea of robbery is stealing a life.
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The keep a witness from saying who it was that
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stole all the stuff out of the house.
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She realized she's.
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Gonna have to kill her because she'd recognize her. Rosie
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indicated she saw a knife in the kitchen and she
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took that knife.
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I'm just goot to his bathroom, ok, that cat.
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And then went back in the bath through under the
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guys fixing her hair.
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Can you come into here for a moment.
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And lured Autumn into the bathroom.
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Yes, I wash these for me.
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Thank you.
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The stab wounds were in her back and in her
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front and in her face.
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They're all over she was laying on her back, was
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very ugly, very booty, blood everywhere.
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She stabbed her repeatedly, over fifty times.
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The fact that Rosie stabbed Autumn in excess of fifty
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times a nine year old girl, one well placed stab
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wound would have done the job, but she does it
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fifty times or more to me, speaks of rage and drugs.
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Maybe because of that, Rosie didn't want any other little
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girl to have a happy life either, And maybe there
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was more revenge in this killing than we think.
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Rosie definitely remembers seeing Autumn's eyes looking at her when
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she finally died.
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It's very disturbing, very disturbing staying this.
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Rosie ransacks the house.
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After Rosie stabbed Autumn, she stepped over her and with
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a bloody footprint, went from room to room looking for
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items to steal, leaving that little boy, that toddler in
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the front of that house while she's in her brutally
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killing an eight year old girl. It's just unimaginable for
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a mother to be able to do that.
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Two hours later, a hard working mom's life turns upside down.
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I'll give you two hundred, can't you give you a
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bit more?
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Rosie wastes no time fencing the stolen goods for a
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pitiful amount.
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I'll give you two forty take it or leave it
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to take it.
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Afterwards. I think the net figure she got was two
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hundred and forty dollars. Kind of a cheap price for
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the life of a little nine year old girl.
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Cash in hand, Rosie returns to the scene of her crime.
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I'm a friend of April.
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Can I speak of that?
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No, ma'am, that's not positive.
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Often killers return to the scene of the crime. There's
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a variety of different reasons they do this. Sometimes it's
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to view the body. Sometimes it's to remove evidence they
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may have left. Sometimes it's for kicks. It turns them on.
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Rosie returning to the scene of the crime put her
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right into the center of the investigation.
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And she's made another mistake. She leaves a bloody footprint.
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There's only one footprint in blood near the body, so
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there was a lack of any other footprints.
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The police officer remembers the suspicious teenager on the night
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of the murder. They track Rosie down.
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And that bloody shoeprint they had something concrete to go on.
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They found the shoes in where she was living, and
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Matt's shoeprint too. So Rosie did herself in as far
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as getting caught for that crime.
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In nineteen ninety two, Rosie Alfaro is convicted of first
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degree murder and is condemned to die.
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She had no feelings for what she had done to
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another human being, especially a young child, and especially being
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a mother herself. It's very disturbing, very disturbing.
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Rosie chooses drugs over a child's life and has never
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said sorry.
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Rosie is a sociopath and she has no empathy for
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other human beings, and it would help explain why she
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was able to number one murder her friend's little sister
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in such a horrible way, and number two have no
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remorse about it.
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She remains on death row in the Central California Women's Facility.
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This is not someone we want out walking among us.
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Envy of others can be dangerous.
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That would be her dream to own such property.
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It can turn neighbor against neighbor.
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She would say anything to get what she wanted.
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I don't even know if I can tell you with
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chilling consequences.
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This involved the of violence that was very great.
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That leave communities in shock.
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That one of their own should be the killer, psychologically
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traumatized that community.
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Two thousand and six. Maurra, New South Wales, Australia a small,
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peaceful town where Greg Houser and his wife Katherine McKay
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own a horse farm.
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They were just a loving couple, gave their time for
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community groups and organizations.
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They bored horses on their property. One of their clients
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is thirty five year old Kim Snibson, a mom with
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two young daughters.
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Kim Snipson seemed to be your average mom. She was
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an animal lover. She had dogs, she had horse. She seemed
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to the rule lost all of now.
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But Kim is a very jealous person. She envies Greg
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and Catherine's small property. She can only dream of owning
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one for now.
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Champagne Shires would be her dream to own such property.
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It reflected all the things that she loved the most,
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touching upon her connection with animals.
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Kim has a dark side. She hides from her family
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and an evil plan.
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For a significant period of time, she had plans which
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involve the infliction of violence to obtain something, probably property.
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We could do this, okidnap them, get them to someone
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the house and to me, and then kill them.
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She tries to recruit acquaintances to help.
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What do you think.
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Most thinks she is joking, it's your kid, No worries
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She's not.
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No, I'm serious.
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We could do this.
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I could split the money fifty to fifty.
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There was a history of manipulative behavior, lying in order
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to achieve her ends. There was the element of seeking
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people to sign over property to her.
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Friends try to warn Kim's devoted husband Paul, and.
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She said, if I could help her to kill.
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Them about her bizarre plants.
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He was a break.
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Say that, but he doesn't believe their stories.
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Oh, she did say that.
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Kim is a very bright person did Unfortunately, she used
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that intellect of hers for evil.
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Kim has the perfect place to stable her horse in
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the carrying hands of Greg and Catherine.
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She went to the property regularly to tender her own
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horse and got to know Greg and Katherine in that way.
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Though very well respected and loved in that town, it's
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a small town. Everybody knows each other.
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Kim always wants something for nothing and doesn't pay the bill.
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She owed them three hundred dollars for taking care of
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her horses.
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It's a small amount.
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Listen, I just wanted to let you know I can't
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afford to pay my bill right now, but I promise
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I will pay as soon as I can. That's okay,
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what have you got it?
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Thank you?
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Thanks Now, Greg and Catherine are understanding. But that doesn't
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make Kim happy. Instead, it fuels her jealousy of the couple.
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She envied what they had.
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Clearly she had her sights on them.
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Kim starts fantasizing about owning their horse property.
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She wanted them to somehow sign over their their farm
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to her.
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It's an insane idea, but like she's done in the past,
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she tries to recruit help.
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I know that you're a family man. I wasn't even
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sure if I should.
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Be telling you this, but by doing what she does best,
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manipulating people.
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There was a history of manipulative behavior, lying in order
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to achieve her ends.
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She spins neighbor Andrew flint Jar a wicked lie about
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Greg and Catherine.
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Andrew was told by Kim that the couple sexually abused
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her child and had videoed the episode.
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That's disgusting.
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People like that should be shot exactly.
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They need to be punished. I should belt him for
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touching her.
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There was no evidence at any time in court that
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Catherine or Gregg had engaged anything like that.
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Andrew thinks it's just muscles.
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She wants.
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For it.
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With Andrew on board, Kim approaches another neighbor.
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Stacy Lea. Kate was a known criminal. He had said
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that he had wanted to get his life back on track.
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What what happened to Kim?
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Kim fabricates a different story.
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He drobe me.
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And then he philmed me performing this.
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Sex facts.
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It was horrible.
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Stacy Lee Caton was told by her that a couple
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had drugged her, sexually assaulted her, and videoed the episode.
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It seems to be a title fantasy on her.
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Part Stacy, so she employed a means of modulating the
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story depending on the person who was the recipient of
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it to press the right buttons. The theme was always
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one of sexual impropriety, and of course this nothing excites
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people's sympathy more than that.
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Two men, two different lies, but both take the bait
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I want to.
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She knew exactly what to say to each one to
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get them worked up enough to help her kill.
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It was a very dangerous thing for her to do.
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It was these two I had never met each other
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before and had no reason to meet.
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I hope you, Kim, just tell me what you want
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me to do.
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Both men underestimate Kim's true nature.
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Sit there.
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Kim Snibson was the perfect sociopath. Sociopaths love to manipulate
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other people. It's fun for them. They consider it part
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of the chase, part of the leading up to any crime.
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Kim's ready to make her twisted dreams a deadly reality.
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Finally, she worked up to the ultimate crime.
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I've got an idea. It's gonna take a lot of work.
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January twenty eighth, two thousand and six, Narrah, Australia. Thirty
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five year old Kim Snipson wants something for nothing. Her
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web of lies has convinced locals Andrew Flintyard and Stacy
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Lee Caton to help her. They think they are needed
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to rough up the owners of a horse farm.
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Hi, Greg, can you come over? There's something I want
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to talk to you about.
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Kim lures Greg hos to her. Ho else.
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Helped?
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He came quickly after that conversation occurred. He didn't think
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that he was in any danger or that there would
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be any problem.
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Kim, Hello, it's me. It's great.
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He was struck to the head with a lump of
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wood hog tie, meaning his feet were bound and pulled
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up behind his back.
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He said, why is this happening? Andrew Flanjar has said
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it's because of what you did to the kids, or
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he said something about being a pedophile.
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The men finally realize they have been told different lies, which.
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Is not what Stacey really cat And had heard at
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all that according to him, that's not why he was there.
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Kim must have known that the point in time would
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be breached where her lies would be past. But she
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would have then taken things to the point.
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In my return with Greg in agony, Kim calls his
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wife Catherine.
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It's Kim.
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It's a call, and the wife would dread.
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There's something I need to tell you about Greg and I.
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We've been having an affair. Ye else could see you
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in a minute.
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There had never been any affair between Greg and Kim Snibson.
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She too was hog tied. She too had a sock
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stuffed in the mouth and tape wrapped around her mouth
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as well. One can imagine the fear suffered by these people.
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This involved a degree of violence that was very great.
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Kim gives Andrew and Stacey Lee chilling instructions. It's more
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than they bargained for.
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They collected forty four gallon drums from Champagne Shires and
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brought them back to the house.
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In an ominous move, Catherine is shoved into the oil drum.
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Kim has a horrific way to deal with her neighbor's resistance.
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She murdered Katherine's by wrapping the tape around her face
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and eyes and nose. And they stood there and watched
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her die over several minutes.
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Stacy Lee Keaton looks on. It was never meant to
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come to this.
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She's dead, Nas, He's dead.
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Kim's got a different plan for Greg.
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Kim killed Greg Hoser by garrotting him with electrical wire.
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Kim killed them both deliberately and methodically.
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Kim is a natural born killer. She wanted to commit murder.
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Kidnapped and brutally forced into makeshift coffins. A loving husband
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and wife are dead.
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Once it got dark, the barrels will loaded you into
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the back of Kim Snibson's station wagon and taken out
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to the state forest.
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Kim Snibson commits one final grizzly act.
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That would doused impetulant set alight.
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Incinerating the bodies was done for no other purpose than
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to destroy evidence that those two poor people had ever
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been to Kim's house that day. I have been involved
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in some shocking crimes involving dreadful brutality. This case stands
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out because in my career I can only reasonably expect
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to come across one or two sociopaths, and that's what
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Kim Snipson.
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Is within ours. Unable to live with a horror he's
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been part of. Stacy Lee Keaton reveals them gus did.
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Stacy Lee Kate went next door to his sister's house
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and spoke to her and her husband and gave them
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some details of what happened, and they took him to
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the police station.
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The community was devastated by it. Devastated that one of
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their own should be the killer was something which psychologically
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traumatized that community.
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As daylight breaks, police find the gruesome remains.
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All that remained of Catherine was her right foot, and
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little remained of Greg.
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Thanks to Stacey Lee's confession, Kim's quickly arrested. Her delusion
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of taking over the horse farm would never be realized.
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Would Kim have regret?
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Not?
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There will?
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We know?
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Reborts from Kim Snipson. It's not in her nature.
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I sat there in that courtroom for a couple of
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weeks so and just she didn't seem to be shedding
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any teas.
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Andrew flint Jar was found guilty of kidnapping and sentenced
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to seven years. Stacy Lee Caton was jailed for sixteen
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and a half years for aiding and a betting murder.
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On September fifth, two thousand and eight. Kim Snipson is
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found guilty of murdering Greg Hosa and Catherine McKay. She
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is sentenced to thirty two years.
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I think Kim's the only person that really knows why
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she did what she did.
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A small town in Australia will never be the same.
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Made paper wonder well, could happen to anybody, and I
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think it really shook people up.
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A person who does this lacks the quality that makes
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us human beings.
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It's unlikely Kim feels remorse for what she did. Sociopaths
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never do. If she ever does emerge from prison, watch out.
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For these deadly women. Money truly was the root of
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their evil. Marjorie dal Armstrong's bizarre plan to get rich
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left a gruesome trail of death. Drug addict Rosie Alfaro
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brutally stamped to death an innocent nine year old girl
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for a few hundred dollars, and Kim Snibson viciously murdered
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a loving couple to steal their property. These deadly women
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were ready and able to kill for cash.
