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Welcome to another insightful episode of The Construction Junction podcast, presented by The Profit Constructors. Join our host, Tonya Schulte, as she chats with Brian Cacian from Foundation Software. Dive deep into the history and evolution of Foundation Software, a pivotal tool designed to streamline accounting for construction companies.
Brian shares the journey from the company's inception in the mid-80s to its growth into a comprehensive suite of tools that includes payroll services, project management, and more. Learn about the unique features that set Foundation Software apart, such as its robust payroll capabilities, job costing, and the integration of various specialized tools like estimating and HR management.
Discover the importance of understanding the company's culture, customer service, and the practical applications of emerging technologies like AI in construction accounting. Whether you're a small contractor or a growing construction firm, this episode offers valuable insights into choosing the right software to meet your specific needs.
Stay tuned until the end for Brian's expert advice on ensuring a smooth transition to a new accounting system and how to leverage detailed reporting to drive business success.
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The Profit Constructors presents Construction Junction, the junction between
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accounting and construction.
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Please welcome our host, Tanya Schulte.
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Welcome back to the Construction Junction podcast.
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My name is Tanya Schulte, and I have here with me today, Brian.
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Brian, how do you say your last name? Is it CanSiam?
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It is CanSiam. Awesome. With Foundation Software.
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Brian, thank you so much for joining us. Absolutely. Pleasure. Thanks for having me.
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Appreciate you being here. So for those of our listeners who don't really know
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what Foundation is or maybe haven't heard of Foundation,
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and honestly, I'm quite surprised the number of construction companies that
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are out there in the world trying to do accounting, struggling through various
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different softwares and haven't
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ever heard of Foundation. So tell us a little bit about Foundation.
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How did it come to be? How did Foundation come to be?
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Way back when 1984, 85, the founder of the company, Brett Odie,
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was working for a local engineering firm here in the Cleveland suburban area.
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And they decided they needed something better than what they were using.
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Right. And the system was originally written on the Wang Mini Computer System.
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And somehow, Somehow, Fred was able to come away with the basis of that tool
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that was built for them and created
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a DOS-based accounting system called Foundation Accounting Software.
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And from there, it just grew. Our original first employee is still with us today.
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We've gone through a lot of growth, a lot of changes, but just continually developing over time.
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In the early 2000s, we migrated over to the Windows-based application that's
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on the market today and added a lot of other products along the line.
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About 16, 17 years ago, we took our core strength in the system,
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the payroll module, and parsed that out and now offer a payroll service specifically for contractors.
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And that is good, whether you're using Foundation or any other accounting system,
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it's not necessarily needing to be used just with Foundation.
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So we have many clients in the payroll service that don't even use our Foundation
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software, which is great.
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And and you know then since 2020
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or so we've acquired a couple estimating packages that's estimating
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edge and mccormick estimating we acquired
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a company called harness safety and was able to rebrand that into our hq suite
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of products so that's a whole homegrown set of tools for mobile project management
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human resource management there's some executive reporting boarding,
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like I said, the safety piece, and then project management, of course, if I said that.
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And then most recently, we acquired About Time Technologies out in Utah and
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their flagship product, WorkMax.
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Which gives us a really powerful field
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data collection tool and allows us to do timekeeping and various forms that
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are in the field and have that all mesh with the back office So really created
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a strong set of tools for the entire back office of a contractor.
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I love that. So you guys started out really going after that accounting workflow,
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but over time you've added on to make it, like you said, really a great suite for the whole app.
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And in hindsight, you know, naming the company after the product or the product
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of the company, it's kind of a killer because now we have to market foundation
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software, but it's not just foundation software, it's all of these other products as well.
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So, you know, foundation is the product versus foundation is the company.
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It's an important distinction.
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Yeah. Well, and having gone through a company wide rebrand over here,
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just don't even try it. No, not happening.
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It's like acquiring McCormick Estimate. I mean, you know, if we tried to rebrand that,
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you would lose such the market recognition because it's, you know,
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one of the foremost estimating packages in the mechanical electrical plumbing
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industry, you know, and why would we do that? That would be silly.
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So, yeah, no rebranding. Yeah, I love it.
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What kind of sets Foundation Software apart from other accounting softwares that are out there?
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Oh, you know, when you look at what you're buying, you know,
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it's very easy to look at a piece of software and say, does it do this?
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Does it do that? Does it do that?
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Right? Is it going to do everything you need?
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And just analyzing it from that perspective, it's, that's one piece of it, right? Right.
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What sets us apart is when you start looking at not only the product,
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but you start looking at also the company.
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Right. You look at the retention, you look at the customer service response
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times and just the entire culture of the organization.
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We have many, many employees who have been here. I don't know how many,
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but quite a few that were either here when I started back in 97 or came in shortly there.
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Definitely, you know, people with 20 plus years, like I said,
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our original developer that Fred Odie brought on to get this really moving forward.
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She's still here today. day and i think that says
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a lot when you have employees like that
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that stick around and really focus on just
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building the best company possible so it is
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our company our culture if you come to our user conference it's just an amazing
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experience you know we we deal on the internal this is probably the same at
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any company right you deal day to day with the problems you know people don't
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call because they're happy they call because they're having trouble doing something
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or or or that they're not happy with this or that.
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You get bogged down in that day-to-day. And our user conference was down in Nashville in April.
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We had over 750 people attend, plus various vendors in our vendor pavilion.
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I think we had 75 employees.
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So, you know, easily 1,000 people at this event.
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And the feedback that you get, the experience that everybody has,
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and I know it's Nashville, it's easy to be happy, But, you know,
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just the event and how well it was put on and how well received all of our information
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was, all of our people and the customer feedback,
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it kind of regrounds you to why you do what you do here when you're in the office every day.
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I love that. And especially because
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who you guys are serving has the same industry that our team serves.
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And construction accounting is where I've built my entire career.
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I was telling him when you and I were chatting before this episode,
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I started doing construction accounting in 1997.
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I was taking a community college for us, Accounting 101 in 1987,
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but I also went to work for an architect and home builder and started doing
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his accounts payable and then just sort of worked my way up from there.
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So I've spent my entire career serving that industry.
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And one of the things I think is fascinating about this industry as a whole,
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we've talked about it here on the podcast before, they're very straightforward.
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You get what you get. And so if they're telling you that they like your software,
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they mean it. If they didn't like your software, they would be telling you otherwise.
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Absolutely. And it's not to say that those who like it don't also have negative
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things to say, you know, I mean, there's, hey, we really need it to do something
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or, you know, this just isn't, it's not quite right.
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And we listen to that. And we try to incorporate a lot of that into the direction
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that the product takes. Yeah, absolutely.
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Tell us a little bit more about kind of what does it look like when a client
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reaches out to you guys and says, hey, I want to know more about foundation?
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Kind of what are you guys telling them about why they should choose Foundation
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as their accounting software?
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Yeah, you know, first and foremost, the experience here, everybody or everything
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that is involved in the process from sales and marketing, through the onboarding
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implementation support, so on, it is all contained in house,
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we do not have resellers, we don't have consulting firms that that sell or consult on this.
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I mean, I'm sure there are companies out there that do consult on it,
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but it's not run through us, you know, and there are plenty of people who know
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a lot about it. That's great.
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And some of my best implementations happened with a very up to date, CPA,
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somebody who is involved with a company that can be more local can be a more
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frequent point of contact, they take the information through these training
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sessions, and they make sure that things are getting done as necessary.
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But that's not to say that those don't exist. But we manage everything in house
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so that we can really control the customer experience.
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So, you know, if somebody is raising their hand, whether it be from a mailing,
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an emailing, you know, a webinar that is put on, a referral,
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they will come right into our sales staff for quick qualification.
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If it seems like it needs a fit, they'll go right into our sales department.
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They'll generally schedule an online demo.
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That could be one and done. It could be a couple of different ones,
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depending on the complexity of the client's needs.
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You know, I think our sales team is pretty diligent at really looking at what
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these people are asking for.
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And if it's not a good fit, there's nobody's trying to force it.
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Right. There are different things you can do. I mean, that's not how it's designed
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to work, but we can do this and it will work.
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And you pursue those. But when it's just, yeah, we do not do what you're looking
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to do. It's not a good fit.
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They'll just tell them. Let me let me ask you about that. Sorry to interrupt.
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Up, but let me just ask you quickly, who do you guys describe as your ideal
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client? Who is it a great fit for?
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Yeah, we are designed really for a labor intensive contractor.
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If you are a straight general contractor, basically managing the paper side
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of the business, and subbing out everything, most likely not a great fit.
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If the bulk of your jobs are residential, high volume, you know,
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Low duration, generally not a good fit.
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We're going to deal with the specialties of contractor, probably minimum of
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$3 to $5 million in revenue.
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Ideally, 20 to 25 employees out in the field, maybe less, it depends.
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But a lot of these companies coming to us are coming from QuickBooks or maybe
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another other construction specific application that just isn't meeting their needs.
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Our strength is truly in the payroll processing. As I mentioned,
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we started a whole payroll processing company.
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But the ability to handle multi-state, multi-union, if you're doing any prevailing
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wage, Davis-Bacon projects,
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the ability to handle those various wage rates, the additional fringe benefits
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that are required to be paid to those employees while working on those jobs
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under certain trades or skills that...
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To determine different rates, different fringes, and so on.
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Not only can we handle all that, but then the reporting side,
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to be able to, for lack of a better term, I guess, push a button and get a certified
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payroll report for that week,
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without having to gather all sorts of data to generate those union reports,
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the workers' comp reports, all of the different things that are necessary.
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So that's a huge piece. Most companies can do payables or receivables.
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It's pretty simple. The payroll is what really sets it apart. I love that.
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How do you guys handle like job costing and project management?
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I know you said you do also even have a separate component, something else that
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you guys acquired that handles more of that project management side.
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But how does that all fit together?
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And how is that happening? So that you mentioned reporting.
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And one of the things that our team is always looking for is like,
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can we do WIP reporting? What type of job do we get from Foundation?
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Let's talk about that. So I spent the better part of my career here with Foundation
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in the consulting realm.
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So going out to clients post-implementation, whether it be six months,
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a year, 10 years after, whether it's employee turnover, or just,
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hey, we bought this software to do a certain thing. And like most companies...
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You get it up and running, and you forget about all the other stuff that you
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wanted and keep using your spreadsheets.
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And you spend all this time before someone's just like, why are we doing this? Yeah.
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So So yeah, that is that's where I spent most of my time.
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So when it comes to job costing, right, everything that you do in the software,
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from entering an invoice,
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to insert in, you know, putting in time cards, billing, right,
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all of that flows into the project.
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So it's not only hitting the ledger for the accounting side,
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but it also flows through to job costing.
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Everything that you do requires the job cost of the cost class or maybe a phase if you add that level in.
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So it's a significant amount of reporting that's required.
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And it's interesting because you talk to QuickBooks users and they're not accustomed
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to needing all that data.
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And they're like, well, hey, why can't I just download my credit card statement and have it in here?
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I'm like, well, because it's really a lot more complicated than that. You
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got 100 hundred transactions you got a hundred different jobs it
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could go to and within that different codes it can go to
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and with that even is it equipment is it material
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so it requires a a much more granular level of detail to get that in to get
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accurate reporting compared to your budget so so absolutely job costing is is
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the entire backbone of the software for sure yes financials good, you got to get them.
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But I don't care if your books, you know, show that you're making money.
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If you don't know how you're making money on your jobs, and where you could
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be making more, you're missing the boat.
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Yeah. So that is that's definitely an important piece.
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Project management side, again, you know, we have flexible job cost reporting,
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you can generate various reports, you can create reports that are not canned out the box.
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And, you know, the system has some project management capabilities there.
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A lot of companies, though, are trying to keep some of these pieces of the company
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in their own silos, which is interesting,
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because, you know, 10 years ago, we were trying to look for something,
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everything to be in one place, something that does it all. We want everybody in one system.
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And now it's like, you know, I don't know if I want my project managers in my accounting system.
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Them right and regardless i mean if they are
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it's completely secure you can define users with roles and
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permissions keep them out of the areas that's supposed to be into you can literally get
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it down to the report level like hey these are the reports the guy could run and because
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he is the project manager on the job these are the jobs that he's able to see
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so it is really easy to do but still some people are like yeah you know just
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like hey i don't i don't really want to do this online i don't want my books
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out on the intranets right yes like yeah it's really not how it is but that's
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It's okay. You can think what you want.
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So, yeah, so that's it. But that's why we did develop the standalone project
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management piece, which does share information back and forth with the accounting piece.
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But, again, it just kind of keeps the project management team out of the accounting software.
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What all is included in that project management package? What types of project
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management things can they do over there?
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And getting change orders, you know, put together and pushed over to the accounting system.
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There's reporting that comes through with it.
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I'm trying to think of some of the other details. It's probably one of the areas
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I had the least experience in because that was that was rolled out,
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you know, sort of as I was getting out of the hands on piece. Yeah.
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That's why we have a sales team. Yeah. And they know more about it. Correct.
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Tell us a little bit about, because you've been doing this for quite some time
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now, Brian, and you were just mentioning, you know, 10 years ago,
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everybody was like, oh, I don't
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like this, that, you know, you're forcing me to buy this and do this.
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And how are they going to integrate while you talk in sync?
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Now that it's becoming a little bit different where people started to recognize,
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oh, but if I do give people access to my accounting software,
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what are the permissions that I can hand out? and maybe not seeing some information.
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So you mentioned that. What are some other trends that you're kind of seeing
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in terms of construction technology and how that's playing into choices that
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your customers are making right now?
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Yeah, I think AI, obviously the buzzword, right? Everybody wants to use the latest and greatest.
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Right. I think it's very exciting, but you got to really look at what's the
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practical application.
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Like you don't need it for something right it's like hey i don't have to go buy you know.
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Fancy bmw when i really just
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have to go to the store once a day
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and my little beater will work just fine right i mean what do
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you need and how fancy do you need to get so i
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think that ai is a right and in
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this space so far what i have seen is accounts
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payable automation that's the big one right because it's
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a very labor-intensive portion of what what people do in the back office and
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a lot of it's just monotonous i gotta read an invoice i've got to keep the same
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information in over and over right vendor date invoice number amount so on and
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so forth that's all stuff that can be very easily done.
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the splits and things like that, it's a little bit different, right?
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information already populated, have workflows already embedded to get those
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invoices in front of the right people to finish coding,
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have someone else be able to review everything prior to pushing it right into
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their accounting system, that's a big trend.
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A little more kind of specific you know just general niche applications that do small pieces,
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these these pieces of software that don't want to be an entire capital system
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right nobody wants to get into the payroll and if you're thinking about it i
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highly discourage it it's horrible it's a it's a horrible thing oh yeah absolutely
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yeah the code behind it the upkeep to stay current with With,
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you know, all of the local and state taxes and just all of that, it's a nightmare.
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But, yeah, that's it. But, you know, hey, we have a very specialized billing application.
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And it's for this particular industry that tends to do things a little bit differently.
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Like we can't possibly do all of that. We would spend countless years developing
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something that's, you know, really relevant to such a small portion of our target market.
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So these small applications come along that do it, they do it really, really well.
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And they need to share that accounting information with, you know,
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the company's ERP system, because
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why should I have to reenter an invoice that I already did over here?
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Like can't you already know who it is can't you kind of talk together and and
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that's kind of a very current trend and that's what i'm dealing with you know
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pretty much on that on the day-to-day here i love that so tell us more about
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that it's actually one of the things that i have been.
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Shouting from the rooftops since we started the profit constructors about eight
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and a half years ago we decided at that time i was laughing a little bit when
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you were saying i don't want all my information on the internet that's a little
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late for that that ship has sailed right Right.
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Probably shouldn't have signed up for Facebook, should you? Right. Exactly.
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And maybe you should never do your banking online or even go to the bank.
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But I think that one of the things that I've been saying for quite some time
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is as I've seen the evolution of construction accounting all the way from back
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in the day when we had the big stamps, you know, whether we're this big for all the coding to be in.
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And, you know, one of the things that I think is really amazing about being
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able to have a lot more of cloud-based software and a lot of more software interactions
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is that you can do that type of thing.
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You can take an ERP software and also integrate something smaller that is specific
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to your needs and make those two things work together really well.
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So what types of apps do you guys work with and kind of what are some of the
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integrations that you guys have?
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Yeah. So as I mentioned, AP automation is a big one, that is.
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These are . We have relationships with other companies.
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And when I say relationships, I mean, you know, they're very loose relationships.
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You know, we don't try or tend to favor one over another. We're not doing a
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whole lot of co-marketing.
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I mean, I shouldn't say we, yeah, I don't think we even do any real co-marketing.
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We may do a webinar or two, but it's more information to bring to a client, right?
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You know, a lot of times, you know, as you get into these partnerships,
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they're like, oh, well, you know, there's RepShare, you know,
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we'll send you business.
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Business and like that's not that's not really important to us you know that
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that doesn't move our needle in the grand scheme of things right so what we
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want to do is make sure that we have companies that we feel comfortable first
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and foremost right we've had partnerships that,
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we start hearing things from you know clients are like hey you know we're not
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getting this or we're not getting that this isn't good to work with and and
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we kind of shut it down a little bit We're not going to send somebody over here
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when they don't get treated the same way that they would over here.
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It needs to be the same sort of culture.
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Yeah, they need to share your values. Correct. Absolutely. But,
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you know, so AP automation, again, it's a big one.
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What else? We have material procurement. It is particularly common these days
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because it's a difficult process.
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You know, we have the ability to do purchase orders of software and we can track
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receiving against those purchase orders and we can track the billing against those receipts.
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But it's not out in the field and it's not difficult, but it's a lot of work.
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And it puts a lot of that work on people who don't really know,
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like they weren't in the field.
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So until they get the receiving slips into the office, they don't know they got it.
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Right? The matching up of the invoice, it's fine, it works. But,
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you know, these applications that aren't there these days, they make a little bit lighter work of it.
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Because the guys in the fields are the ones who can issue these POs as they
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need them, obviously can still work with purchasing in office,
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depending on, you know, the extent of what they're ordering.
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But, you know, they automatically have relationships with a lot of the key vendors.
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So those invoices come in right through EDI, I guess, and there's some automatic
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matching, matching of the receiving to the PO, making sure the invoicing matches the receiving.
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And then those invoices just can get pushed over to the accounting software. So it's pretty good.
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There are companies that are dealing with equipment maintenance and tracking,
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right? So a fair amount of our contractors deal with heavy equipment.
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So separating out the mechanical, right? Not the rooftop units and things like
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that, because those aren't really their pieces of equipment.
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More specifically talking about the dozers, the excavators, There's the fleets
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of trucks, tracking, utilization, maintenance, repairs, things like that.
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We have an equipment module, right? Companies used to be able to do that all
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through our software, and that's how it would work.
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But again, it's all being run by the people in the office here.
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So they're creating these field applications that can handle this and really
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just have certain bits of information that need to come into the software.
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So that's kind of the trend.
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Analytics is a big piece. There's a particular partner of ours that can easily
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connect into a client's database and pull out anything that they want.
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They have a whole canned group of reports already in a sort of dashboard type
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thing, but it's customizable.
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They can do a ton of things with it. And it's things that, you know,
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I always say, you know, because people are like, well, I need to do cash flow projections.
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I need you to do projections and things like that. I'm like,
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you realize you're dealing with an accounting system.
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We look at what happened. We don't predict what's going to happen. Right.
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Right. And that is where like these types of applications can come in and really,
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I mean, just supercharge the database that you have with all of the information you've collected.
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You know, even just looking at, you know, hey, you've done 10 jobs for this customer.
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You've sent out, you know, 75 invoices for them. them, the average amount of
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time it takes them to pay those invoices is 63 days.
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So you can say, hey, if you just get a million and a half dollar contract with
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them, you spread that out over a 12 month period.
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And here's your average billing, here's what you can predict out your cash flow.
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So these things just do it. And they do it very, yeah, and that's,
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that's what those are the types of companies that we look to work with that
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that make that easy for customers.
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That's, I love that. I was actually
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thinking we've recently encountered a company very similar to that.
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And they can pull in databases, not only from your data, but other databases as well.
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And then kind of, you know, make that an even more useful application.
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One of the things that they're pulling in is even like weather,
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like weather predictions.
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What if you're going to have this many down days because of weather and that kind of thing.
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So it's amazing what some of those applications can do. They can even pull in
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from other software packages, like if you have a CRM system,
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where you're tracking the lead from the bid to negotiations to the awarding,
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you know, even pulling in information from your estimating and can really join
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merge data from multiple systems and kind of see things from start to finish.
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It's really powerful. yeah and that kind of thing i know
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the outsourced cfo that is
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on our team that we work with all the time that's the kind of stuff he can really
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sink his teeth into and really yeah you know and
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and those internal cfos i'm sure for your customers that's the kind of stuff
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that they really want to see okay how how
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can we move the business forward you know with all of that data coming from
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all those different sources yeah that kind of leads back to to your original
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question about job copy you mentioned whip report right you know in our system
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we kind of refer to it as over under billing right so we do have the capability
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to do it right as long as your contract and estimated cost values are updated
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all your costs are in the system it's great you
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know run a report at the end of the month yep here's here's where you're at compared to your.
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You know contract whip here's your present complete here's your
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earned revenue and so on so it's great but one of the other things that most
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clients that i visited in those you know 15 plus years i was traveling the country
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with working with clients is nobody ever has a solid a solid handle on the various
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types of overhead that affect their business, right?
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They're like, oh, yeah, our admins and what it takes to run our office.
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But all of the shop-related things, right, just miscellaneous fuel and supplies
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and whatever sit in the warehouse and fixing trucks, they lose sight of that.
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And as part of what I did with these companies is we kind of really set up their
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financial process to capture those dollars.
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And even if they just know what it looks like from a financial perspective and don't do anything.
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Or they take it to the next level and say, okay, now that we know what our running
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rates are, we're going to somehow allocate that to our projects.
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We're going to include it in bidding, and we're going to then allocate it to
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our jobs based on actuals.
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So now we can see, you know, when you narrow down the true cost to do the job,
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right, that gives you the ability to sharpen your pencil on the bids.
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When times are tough, you know, I can still go in here and I'm going to make money.
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As opposed to if I bid it this low, I might lose. But also when times are good,
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you know where you have some room to, you know, batten things up a little. Yeah, absolutely.
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That's one of my favorite things to help clients do is kind of assess exactly
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what you're talking about.
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And it's amazing when you really start to dig in with them and ask them,
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you know, it's just about asking the right questions. And we start to ask them,
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well, you know, here, for instance, I'm in Arizona.
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And so our jobs our crews we
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do not have a client in arizona that doesn't just automatically have
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one of their crew members go out and get ice and water every morning right
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what does that cost it's a necessity yeah but is that being tracked and are
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we are we thinking about that as a job cost you know it's an interesting thing
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when you start to dig in or small tool loss how many times have your guys left
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a pair of pliers on the job site worked away and it's gone right like Like,
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how many small tools are you buying?
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Those little things that you don't really think about as the business owner,
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because you just know that it's happening.
433
00:29:14,102 --> 00:29:17,742
Yeah. And you have to replace that pair of pliers. But if you're not counting
434
00:29:17,742 --> 00:29:21,342
that cost and putting something back into your jobs to account for that,
435
00:29:21,402 --> 00:29:22,382
yes, you're exactly right.
436
00:29:22,502 --> 00:29:25,662
We could be losing money and not even really know where we're going.
437
00:29:26,282 --> 00:29:30,202
Yeah. I mean, you know, when every job cost report shows that every job is making
438
00:29:30,202 --> 00:29:32,862
money at the end of the year, you're right. Yeah. Yeah.
439
00:29:34,202 --> 00:29:39,422
Well, those office salaries are too high. No, how about we focus on not losing our tools?
440
00:29:39,942 --> 00:29:44,882
Right. Right. How are we incentivizing that? And how are we training on that? Right.
441
00:29:45,402 --> 00:29:49,442
Talking to the employees about what this is costing the company and the importance
442
00:29:49,442 --> 00:29:50,482
of not leaving the players behind.
443
00:29:51,022 --> 00:29:55,082
Which is full circle to another niche application that's available for small tool tracking.
444
00:29:55,262 --> 00:29:58,662
Right. Just to be able to say, you know, you've got an inventory of small tools
445
00:29:58,662 --> 00:30:02,002
that are going out to a project, whether it's assigned to an individual or assigned
446
00:30:02,002 --> 00:30:08,142
to a project in a tool chest or whatever. whatever, we know at it when the job started.
447
00:30:08,382 --> 00:30:10,642
Yeah. Where is it? Yeah.
448
00:30:11,202 --> 00:30:13,242
Yeah. And when the job's done.
449
00:30:14,121 --> 00:30:19,261
What's coming back? Yeah. For sure. One of the things I think has been an interesting
450
00:30:19,261 --> 00:30:22,361
journey for our team and some things that we're helping to talk to our clients
451
00:30:22,361 --> 00:30:27,001
about on this subject is it's great to track it, but then what are you going
452
00:30:27,001 --> 00:30:28,061
to do with that data, right?
453
00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:32,001
And so I think this is a really important conversation to have around what are you tracking?
454
00:30:32,181 --> 00:30:34,101
And it's great to have all these tools to help you track it,
455
00:30:34,201 --> 00:30:37,141
but then how do you push that back down from a management level?
456
00:30:37,141 --> 00:30:40,941
So this is interesting, interesting conversations, not necessarily about foundation
457
00:30:40,941 --> 00:30:43,761
software, but I love to get into those conversations around like,
458
00:30:43,821 --> 00:30:45,721
you know, the training of employees.
459
00:30:45,941 --> 00:30:50,881
I think there are so many small businesses or that mid market kind of business
460
00:30:50,881 --> 00:30:56,121
that you and I are really serving that are so focused on the work.
461
00:30:56,361 --> 00:30:59,781
And they're maybe even tracking this data, but they don't really know how to
462
00:30:59,781 --> 00:31:03,221
translate that data back into better employee training and helping their employees
463
00:31:03,221 --> 00:31:05,461
really own that information.
464
00:31:06,441 --> 00:31:09,301
Right. Yeah. And that's interesting. You bring that up, because that's talking
465
00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:11,921
about tracking things on the detail perspective and pushing that down.
466
00:31:12,121 --> 00:31:16,601
But I recently talked to prospect, right, one of our sales reps was talking
467
00:31:16,601 --> 00:31:20,441
to this prospect, and they started getting into like the procurement side of things.
468
00:31:20,581 --> 00:31:25,261
And so they wanted some information on what some of their options might be that
469
00:31:25,261 --> 00:31:27,401
would work with our software if they went this direction.
470
00:31:27,401 --> 00:31:31,081
And it's funny as an electrical contractor we're
471
00:31:31,081 --> 00:31:34,221
talking about the ability to issue those detailed pos
472
00:31:34,221 --> 00:31:36,881
what's being received and being built and she's like
473
00:31:36,881 --> 00:31:39,981
i want nothing to do with that yeah it doesn't matter we know
474
00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:44,621
when we're doing these jobs what the materials are that are needed and we have
475
00:31:44,621 --> 00:31:50,861
solid pricing the dollars that we're going to spend chasing that detail far
476
00:31:50,861 --> 00:31:55,421
outweigh the dollars saved by using a system like this right when we issue the
477
00:31:55,421 --> 00:31:58,281
po we just we're going to send and this blanket PO.
478
00:31:58,361 --> 00:32:00,721
These are the things we're going to need. We're going to call for these things
479
00:32:00,721 --> 00:32:01,861
in certain releases and that's it.
480
00:32:02,141 --> 00:32:05,701
We don't need to know that they came in and we don't need to know that we're
481
00:32:05,701 --> 00:32:10,561
getting billed for those accordingly because if it didn't come in, we can't do the job.
482
00:32:11,637 --> 00:32:15,497
If we have too much left over, we're going to know we're overshipped. Right.
483
00:32:16,057 --> 00:32:21,197
And if we come in over cost, we can look at, is there a ton of stuff left on
484
00:32:21,197 --> 00:32:23,437
the project? Right. Is that where the cost is at?
485
00:32:24,397 --> 00:32:27,557
Or, you know, then maybe the pricing is wrong. But, you know,
486
00:32:27,557 --> 00:32:30,417
a lot of these vendors, they don't want to overbill.
487
00:32:30,677 --> 00:32:34,737
Right. Because it's really easy to go find someone else to provide the same
488
00:32:34,737 --> 00:32:35,777
stuff. A supplier. Yeah.
489
00:32:36,497 --> 00:32:38,917
It's interesting you're talking about that. We have a plumbing client,
490
00:32:39,177 --> 00:32:42,037
The Profit Constructors, who was in a very similar situation.
491
00:32:42,217 --> 00:32:45,517
They go out a lot of times on their new construction projects and will get quotes
492
00:32:45,517 --> 00:32:48,217
for each project individually.
493
00:32:48,517 --> 00:32:52,397
So they may be getting different pricing on certain individual parts for every
494
00:32:52,397 --> 00:32:54,697
project because they're going to get that quoted at the beginning.
495
00:32:55,297 --> 00:32:59,837
And the owner of the company came to me and said, I'm really positive that we're
496
00:32:59,837 --> 00:33:03,417
getting overbilled on quite a few of these jobs because some of those parts
497
00:33:03,417 --> 00:33:06,897
are being picked and it's not going out according to the quote that we got at
498
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:07,277
the beginning of the job.
499
00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:10,437
I think you're probably right on that. I don't doubt that that could be happening.
500
00:33:11,017 --> 00:33:12,557
But it's important to kind of take
501
00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:15,437
into stock, like, what is the level of analyzation that we do need, right?
502
00:33:15,557 --> 00:33:20,297
And so we had enough data on hand to, we did like a quick, I think,
503
00:33:20,317 --> 00:33:24,857
three month audit, and kind of understood probably what they were losing in a year.
504
00:33:25,377 --> 00:33:28,897
And then I went back and said, okay, what would, because her initial solution
505
00:33:28,897 --> 00:33:31,677
was, let's just go ahead and hire a purchasing agent. That'll be our whole job
506
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:32,917
is to make sure we're not getting overcharged.
507
00:33:33,277 --> 00:33:36,537
Sure. We did the analysis and took a look at it and said, this is what we think
508
00:33:36,537 --> 00:33:38,197
you're probably losing over the course of a year.
509
00:33:38,597 --> 00:33:41,677
And it's not enough to pay for that person's salary. Correct.
510
00:33:42,277 --> 00:33:45,537
Let alone benefits and everything else to go along with it. Right. Exactly.
511
00:33:45,757 --> 00:33:48,957
And so, you know, I think it is good to have a certain level of detail and be
512
00:33:48,957 --> 00:33:50,957
able to understand what do we need to analyze?
513
00:33:51,417 --> 00:33:55,817
But yeah, there's, it's just, it's a, it's a, it's sort of a balancing act to
514
00:33:55,817 --> 00:33:59,257
determine as an owner, what do I need to track and what do I not need to track and why?
515
00:34:00,744 --> 00:34:03,684
Absolutely. And every business is going to be different depending on their business
516
00:34:03,684 --> 00:34:06,124
model, their customers, their employees.
517
00:34:06,704 --> 00:34:10,104
And so it's great to have different options. For sure.
518
00:34:10,624 --> 00:34:14,384
Yeah. What do you guys see as some long-term goals for Foundation?
519
00:34:14,744 --> 00:34:18,464
What's happening now? How are you guys looking ahead to the future? Speak. Yeah.
520
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:22,704
So, I mean, obviously growth is certainly imperative.
521
00:34:22,904 --> 00:34:29,344
We recently rolled out one of the products in our HQ suite of products is HR HQ, right? Right.
522
00:34:29,384 --> 00:34:33,404
So with all of this payroll capability that we have, one thing we never had
523
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:36,864
was the ability to manage the people coming in.
524
00:34:38,064 --> 00:34:42,544
And so that that's a big focus right now. Like I said, it's recently rolled
525
00:34:42,544 --> 00:34:44,804
out, I think probably March of this past year.
526
00:34:45,764 --> 00:34:50,564
And of course, you know, with any new release, right, you think you got it.
527
00:34:51,184 --> 00:34:55,264
Even for the limited things that you're going to be rolling out and you get
528
00:34:55,264 --> 00:35:01,644
it out now in the hands of the masses. and you realize everything you don't know, right?
529
00:35:02,824 --> 00:35:05,984
So that's a key point there is, you know, we've got this product out there.
530
00:35:06,084 --> 00:35:09,724
It needs to be, it needs to really be built.
531
00:35:11,104 --> 00:35:14,104
There's a lot of feedback and a lot of action items that need to be addressed
532
00:35:14,104 --> 00:35:16,204
as well as product enhancements, right?
533
00:35:16,344 --> 00:35:19,744
You know, so we'll handle the applicants once they are coming in,
534
00:35:19,804 --> 00:35:21,044
but we don't track the applicants, right?
535
00:35:21,104 --> 00:35:24,884
So that's another piece that is pretty important, I think. I'm not sure where
536
00:35:24,884 --> 00:35:28,084
that's at in the roadmap, about. But that's big piece.
537
00:35:29,309 --> 00:35:32,429
Fintech is another big piece in the market today.
538
00:35:32,949 --> 00:35:37,469
You know, our clients spend a lot of money and they receive a lot of money.
539
00:35:37,729 --> 00:35:41,989
And, you know, historically, it's been mostly on paper.
540
00:35:42,389 --> 00:35:47,749
And that's a really labor-intensive way to make payments and receive payments.
541
00:35:47,989 --> 00:35:51,909
Yes. And there's a lot of fraud risk these days.
542
00:35:52,129 --> 00:35:57,409
I've talked to numerous clients recently who have had checks go missing from
543
00:35:57,409 --> 00:35:58,829
the mail. They get whitewashed.
544
00:35:59,489 --> 00:36:03,469
And and they clear and you know yes they have fraud protection the bank's looking
545
00:36:03,469 --> 00:36:06,189
into it they're they're you know they're not necessarily going to be responsible
546
00:36:06,189 --> 00:36:09,429
for those dollars they're not going to lose those dollars but those dollars
547
00:36:09,429 --> 00:36:11,769
are tied up for months during the investigation,
548
00:36:12,289 --> 00:36:15,609
meanwhile the contractor they're paying or the supplier they're paying expects
549
00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:20,629
to be paid so if i'm sending out you know eighty thousand dollar check and now
550
00:36:20,629 --> 00:36:25,689
i've got to send out another one i'm out 160 grand while this thing is being
551
00:36:25,689 --> 00:36:29,029
researched great i'll get it back but now i'm I'm digging into a line of credit
552
00:36:29,029 --> 00:36:30,529
and so on. So it's a big mess.
553
00:36:30,629 --> 00:36:33,749
And to top that off, someone's going to lose those dollars. And that's going
554
00:36:33,749 --> 00:36:36,229
to cost everyone across the board. Right.
555
00:36:36,429 --> 00:36:42,009
That doesn't mean that the money just came from nowhere. Correct. Right. No, absolutely.
556
00:36:42,789 --> 00:36:47,689
So, you know, there are companies that offer payment services, right?
557
00:36:47,809 --> 00:36:52,549
And they actively pursue vendors to accept, you know, virtual cards.
558
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:54,029
It's going to be the easiest and fastest way.
559
00:36:54,149 --> 00:37:00,529
It comes at a cost, of course. course, but is it worth 2% to have your money
560
00:37:00,529 --> 00:37:04,649
today versus having it in 15, 30, 45 days?
561
00:37:05,989 --> 00:37:08,489
Cash flow is obviously very, very important.
562
00:37:10,409 --> 00:37:13,749
Obviously, they could also do ACH. The vendor says, absolutely not.
563
00:37:13,969 --> 00:37:16,949
Well, how about ACH? Great. We'll get you set up, and that's how we'll pay you
564
00:37:16,949 --> 00:37:19,009
the point forward, and at least then it's electronic.
565
00:37:19,269 --> 00:37:24,549
But these companies assume all of the responsibility as well.
566
00:37:24,549 --> 00:37:28,549
So all I have to do is send you the information of who I want paid for which
567
00:37:28,549 --> 00:37:30,149
invoices, how much and some other information.
568
00:37:31,409 --> 00:37:32,829
And it's out of my hands.
569
00:37:34,242 --> 00:37:38,002
I'm not collecting ACH data. I'm not keeping that on file. I'm not encouraging that.
570
00:37:38,342 --> 00:37:41,322
Right. I don't want the PCI compliance risks, right?
571
00:37:41,562 --> 00:37:45,842
Right. So, yeah, so these services are great. Again, on the receivable side,
572
00:37:45,962 --> 00:37:49,402
we actually just partnered recently with a company that does processing of cards.
573
00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:55,102
Yeah. And I've learned more in the last 18 months about credit card processing
574
00:37:55,102 --> 00:37:59,622
and the fees of the different cards and the banks and the interchange and the,
575
00:37:59,722 --> 00:38:03,942
you know, the rail system than I ever thought I would care to learn.
576
00:38:04,062 --> 00:38:09,102
It's very interesting and it's ridiculous, but it's interesting for sure.
577
00:38:09,982 --> 00:38:15,802
And so we've just added the ability for our clients to allow their customers
578
00:38:15,802 --> 00:38:17,922
to pay their bills electronically online.
579
00:38:18,322 --> 00:38:21,342
Yes. It goes right into the software. They don't have to touch it.
580
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:22,742
They just get a notification. Hey, you got one.
581
00:38:23,282 --> 00:38:30,922
And it's great. And so just trying to help these clients speed their cash flow process.
582
00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:34,262
Yeah, I think that's a great initiative that you guys are doing.
583
00:38:34,382 --> 00:38:36,802
I think that's a great next step.
584
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:39,982
For sure. We work with a larger fintech company.
585
00:38:40,942 --> 00:38:44,862
And they're making some concessions for us in terms of there still being a lot
586
00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,542
of paper checks that are flying back and forth.
587
00:38:46,542 --> 00:38:49,442
But really when we first approached them
588
00:38:49,442 --> 00:38:52,302
on that they were like but why why would these
589
00:38:52,302 --> 00:38:55,802
companies even want to continue that practice our bank
590
00:38:55,802 --> 00:38:58,602
really doesn't want to and they laid out a lot of the reasons why
591
00:38:58,602 --> 00:39:02,162
they didn't want to continue with paper checks and not
592
00:39:02,162 --> 00:39:05,082
a lot of it had to do with convenience like you're talking about most
593
00:39:05,082 --> 00:39:08,362
of it had to do with fraud yeah and fraud protection no
594
00:39:08,362 --> 00:39:11,202
absolutely i mean the convenience is great i mean a
595
00:39:11,202 --> 00:39:14,122
i don't have to print sign and stuff of
596
00:39:14,122 --> 00:39:16,862
checks and then stamp them through
597
00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:20,422
the machine and then take them to the mail right absolutely i
598
00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:25,042
mean i think one of these companies said that the average cost to cut a check
599
00:39:25,042 --> 00:39:28,782
and get it out the door in someone's hands is between seven and eight dollars
600
00:39:28,782 --> 00:39:34,782
yes yeah that's my number with the number of checks these companies cut each
601
00:39:34,782 --> 00:39:40,122
and every week yes yeah so that's a really great next step Yep.
602
00:39:40,162 --> 00:39:45,042
And especially for, I think, this industry, I really feel like there's a big
603
00:39:45,042 --> 00:39:48,642
watershed coming, a lot of technological change.
604
00:39:48,742 --> 00:39:51,682
I think the construction industry has been behind, but I think there's a lot
605
00:39:51,682 --> 00:39:55,542
more newer, younger folks entering the industry that are excited for that kind of thing.
606
00:39:55,782 --> 00:39:59,302
Isn't it funny? These construction companies, right?
607
00:39:59,642 --> 00:40:03,182
If it's a tool, if it's a piece of equipment, if it's something,
608
00:40:03,282 --> 00:40:08,622
you know, new and flashy and it's out in the field related, they're the first
609
00:40:08,622 --> 00:40:10,202
ones to get all over it. right?
610
00:40:10,842 --> 00:40:14,462
It's a piece of software, like, eh. Yeah. It's just, it's, you know,
611
00:40:14,462 --> 00:40:16,622
the back office is going to take care of it. It doesn't, it doesn't affect us.
612
00:40:16,802 --> 00:40:18,582
Yeah. You know, that's changing.
613
00:40:18,822 --> 00:40:23,362
It's changing a lot, particularly in the last, probably five to seven years,
614
00:40:23,442 --> 00:40:26,582
I think, like, they really realized that.
615
00:40:27,455 --> 00:40:34,195
Back office is not equally responsible for the profits, but there's a lot of
616
00:40:34,195 --> 00:40:36,655
money lost in the back office when things aren't done right.
617
00:40:36,975 --> 00:40:42,895
Yes, I agree. And the other piece of that, too, is that especially since COVID,
618
00:40:43,135 --> 00:40:45,695
we have a far more mobile-ready workforce.
619
00:40:46,035 --> 00:40:49,795
Back office doesn't necessarily have to be anywhere near a real office.
620
00:40:50,335 --> 00:40:55,955
Yeah. No. I mean, if you're using a full payments automation process,
621
00:40:56,195 --> 00:40:59,395
and you're outsourcing your payroll,
622
00:41:00,215 --> 00:41:03,835
you know, our payroll service doesn't, there's no check printing,
623
00:41:04,055 --> 00:41:05,675
direct depositing or anything.
624
00:41:05,835 --> 00:41:09,435
I mean, you literally review the time cards, make sure everything looks good.
625
00:41:09,535 --> 00:41:13,355
They are responsible for all the computations, like they can review everything
626
00:41:13,355 --> 00:41:15,915
prior to hitting that button to submit it.
627
00:41:15,975 --> 00:41:19,275
Make sure that everyone's hours look good, the pay rates look good.
628
00:41:19,335 --> 00:41:22,095
I mean, and proof it however you need to. Right.
629
00:41:22,495 --> 00:41:26,175
And then hand it off. We take care of the check printing for those that still get checks.
630
00:41:26,335 --> 00:41:29,995
I think that is still a thing. Yeah. You know, we do all the direct deposits.
631
00:41:30,095 --> 00:41:33,615
We do all of the tax recordings for states and locals, the federals.
632
00:41:34,395 --> 00:41:36,475
We do some of the garnishments.
633
00:41:37,895 --> 00:41:41,355
And you have your certified payroll, which is huge. Well, yeah,
634
00:41:41,395 --> 00:41:46,475
but even then, you know, now you have, we don't do the certified reports as in send them.
635
00:41:46,575 --> 00:41:50,235
Right. But the reports can be generated it out of the software,
636
00:41:50,355 --> 00:41:53,355
regardless of whether they're accounting software users or just the payroll service.
637
00:41:53,715 --> 00:41:57,415
The financial impact, let's say it's a QuickBooks user that uses our payroll
638
00:41:57,415 --> 00:42:01,315
service, right? Because sometimes that makes sense, right? I'm a QuickBooks user.
639
00:42:01,555 --> 00:42:07,415
I don't have enough revenue. I'm not big enough yet to move into your accounting
640
00:42:07,415 --> 00:42:11,235
software, but I'm starting to get these public jobs.
641
00:42:11,855 --> 00:42:15,575
And I don't know how to do the certificate reports. I'm not sure how that That works.
642
00:42:15,675 --> 00:42:20,495
So you come to our payroll service and we basically get you set up on the ledger,
643
00:42:20,515 --> 00:42:22,555
job cost and payroll side of our software.
644
00:42:22,895 --> 00:42:28,095
Yeah. Which is great because you get your job cost reports, at least that that
645
00:42:28,095 --> 00:42:32,655
are impacted by the payroll, which includes all of your taxes and benefits,
646
00:42:32,735 --> 00:42:34,415
any of the burden that goes along with it.
647
00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:39,695
You get your financial reporting that you can just take out and dump into QuickBooks.
648
00:42:39,955 --> 00:42:43,275
And then obviously you get your certified reports, right? You get your workers'
649
00:42:43,315 --> 00:42:44,455
comp reports, things like that.
650
00:42:45,235 --> 00:42:50,155
And when they're ready to look at another more sophisticated accounting application.
651
00:42:51,707 --> 00:42:54,547
The hardest part of their implementation is already done. Right.
652
00:42:54,927 --> 00:42:58,147
To go to foundation, to just get their payables and receivables looked up and
653
00:42:58,147 --> 00:43:03,667
the beginning balances and actually start doing the full gamut of accounting
654
00:43:03,667 --> 00:43:06,887
through our software, it's such an easy flow.
655
00:43:07,227 --> 00:43:10,967
So it's a great way to do it.
656
00:43:11,327 --> 00:43:14,807
Yeah, yeah. And I just can't emphasize it enough.
657
00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:19,287
So for many, many years, our team has said, no, we just don't even do certified payroll,
658
00:43:19,927 --> 00:43:22,987
because there are so many parts and pieces information and
659
00:43:22,987 --> 00:43:25,727
data coming from different areas it's just not something that we ever really
660
00:43:25,727 --> 00:43:28,387
want to get into and so to be
661
00:43:28,387 --> 00:43:32,867
able to to pull those reports down with a minimum of effort i think is an invaluable
662
00:43:32,867 --> 00:43:36,867
piece of what you guys are doing on that payroll yeah and and one of the things
663
00:43:36,867 --> 00:43:39,267
that people a lot of times they don't want to get into it because they're like
664
00:43:39,267 --> 00:43:42,707
oh it's so expensive we can't afford to pay our guys like that i'm like but
665
00:43:42,707 --> 00:43:47,547
you already offer medical insurance you already offer pay time off you have
666
00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:53,227
a match on your 401k, you have a lot of the things that are already built in
667
00:43:53,227 --> 00:43:56,327
to that preventing wage fringe benefit amount, right?
668
00:43:56,467 --> 00:44:01,407
Did you know that you can reduce what you're paying in that cash fringe benefit
669
00:44:01,407 --> 00:44:04,907
by what you already provide, you just have to have means to report it, right?
670
00:44:05,007 --> 00:44:08,927
And as long as you can do that, it's not that much more obviously,
671
00:44:09,087 --> 00:44:11,767
whatever the pay rates are different between your, your, you know,
672
00:44:11,767 --> 00:44:13,907
public Public jobs versus your private jobs, fine.
673
00:44:14,607 --> 00:44:19,267
But if you know what you really need and you know that you're going to use this,
674
00:44:19,327 --> 00:44:23,007
you can bid competitively and you can get this work. And it can be profitable.
675
00:44:23,807 --> 00:44:27,707
Yes, absolutely. We have a mechanical client that that's exactly how they got
676
00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:29,227
their start. They're a small woman-owned business.
677
00:44:29,427 --> 00:44:33,227
And it just made so much sense for them to go into those public jobs. Sure.
678
00:44:33,827 --> 00:44:37,027
Now they do a lot more private jobs. But when they first started up,
679
00:44:37,087 --> 00:44:40,747
public was the way to go for them. And they did really well with that for a long time.
680
00:44:40,947 --> 00:44:44,587
Yeah. A lot of people are just afraid to get into the unknown.
681
00:44:45,067 --> 00:44:51,207
Yes. Honestly. And there are a lot of resources out there to help you with that.
682
00:44:51,327 --> 00:44:54,547
And I didn't know. As I started working with clients, I mean,
683
00:44:54,567 --> 00:44:56,407
honestly, my degree is in communications.
684
00:44:56,967 --> 00:45:00,967
Yeah. Right? I figured I'd be in advertising, public relations, something like that.
685
00:45:01,007 --> 00:45:04,507
And here I am, you know, 20 some years later in construction accounting.
686
00:45:04,507 --> 00:45:10,007
It's like everything that I learned, I learned from the clients for having to
687
00:45:10,007 --> 00:45:13,027
figure out because they needed something.
688
00:45:13,367 --> 00:45:19,327
And now I need to figure this out for them. And getting into that public space
689
00:45:19,327 --> 00:45:22,427
and having to get more familiar with, here are your reporting requirements.
690
00:45:22,667 --> 00:45:24,267
Here's what you're going to have to do. Here's where you're going to go.
691
00:45:24,267 --> 00:45:27,767
So the job has all of the rates and everything defined.
692
00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:32,087
If you are not a union contractor, but you're going to bid this job,
693
00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:35,467
here are the rates you're going to have to pay if you're doing these particular activities.
694
00:45:36,387 --> 00:45:40,347
And a lot of people just don't know it. And so we just stay away from it.
695
00:45:40,407 --> 00:45:41,707
And you're losing a whole...
696
00:45:42,399 --> 00:45:46,279
A whole lot of potential work. Yeah, absolutely. 100% agree.
697
00:45:46,919 --> 00:45:50,239
Thanks so much for hanging out with us today. What would you say,
698
00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:54,499
before we kind of wrap this up, what would be the one big piece of advice that
699
00:45:54,499 --> 00:45:57,459
you would give to anyone that's kind of looking around and saying,
700
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,199
okay, is foundation right for me?
701
00:45:59,619 --> 00:46:02,939
You know, how would you, how would someone really know that foundation is the
702
00:46:02,939 --> 00:46:05,539
choice that they should pick for their accounting software?
703
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:12,279
Yeah, I mean, do diligence, right? I mean, you've got to look at all of the options, right? Right.
704
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,359
You know, one of our strengths now is that it's not just the accounting system that we have. Right.
705
00:46:18,779 --> 00:46:21,699
We have the payroll service. So if you want to outsource there,
706
00:46:21,759 --> 00:46:24,779
you don't need any paychecks, you know, pay loss, whatever.
707
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:29,179
You can get it all right through foundation. You need an estimating system.
708
00:46:29,799 --> 00:46:32,779
Right. One of these might work for you. Right.
709
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:37,839
If not, we can take an estimated estimate file and just bring it right into
710
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:38,839
the software. It's not hard.
711
00:46:39,459 --> 00:46:43,699
You know, what about timekeeping? Right? How do you do you collect things mobile?
712
00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:46,279
Are you doing annual timesheets, we can help with that.
713
00:46:46,399 --> 00:46:48,679
And we can automate how that flows into the software.
714
00:46:48,819 --> 00:46:52,319
So you know, you're not just buying an accounting system, because there are
715
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:57,539
other things that you will need to create an all encompassing solution.
716
00:46:58,059 --> 00:47:04,039
The other thing is to truly get a feel for the company, right?
717
00:47:04,419 --> 00:47:08,519
Talk to other users. Yeah, look at some of the message boards that are out there, right?
718
00:47:08,979 --> 00:47:14,119
I mean, we don't have a 94% retention rate, because we're not responsive,
719
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,839
and we don't listen, and we don't help. Yeah, right.
720
00:47:17,919 --> 00:47:24,219
So that's extremely important as well. And, and be diligent in your demo process,
721
00:47:24,299 --> 00:47:26,379
you know, make sure you ask good questions.
722
00:47:27,555 --> 00:47:32,715
One of the things, there's always, this is why a lot of times the consultants
723
00:47:32,715 --> 00:47:34,875
won't make good salespeople.
724
00:47:35,815 --> 00:47:41,395
Because if you ask me, do you have this capability? And I'm in sales, I say yes.
725
00:47:41,915 --> 00:47:45,635
Yes. If I'm in consulting, I'm like, well, we do. But how do you do this?
726
00:47:45,695 --> 00:47:47,575
Because this is what it takes to do it over here.
727
00:47:47,735 --> 00:47:54,555
Right? So you really want to be comfortable that you've seen what you need to work, work.
728
00:47:55,195 --> 00:48:05,375
Yes. And also, I think, taking competitors' comments with a grain of salt. Yeah. Right?
729
00:48:06,015 --> 00:48:12,315
We've had run-ins with other companies. They shall remain nameless, like Voldemort.
730
00:48:14,335 --> 00:48:17,715
You know, sales is tough, right? Right.
731
00:48:17,835 --> 00:48:24,595
So I think we try to sell on merits of the software and what it's going to do
732
00:48:24,595 --> 00:48:29,035
and how we're going to take care of you, as opposed to putting down another application.
733
00:48:29,055 --> 00:48:33,995
If you're talking to other people that are putting down and saying things, they could be right.
734
00:48:34,655 --> 00:48:37,955
Talk to us. Say, hey, we were talking to another company.
735
00:48:38,015 --> 00:48:42,315
They said you can't do this or the way you do it is really difficult or whatever.
736
00:48:42,315 --> 00:48:45,215
Ever ask that question you know don't just don't
737
00:48:45,215 --> 00:48:48,035
just take it at face value because everybody's trying
738
00:48:48,035 --> 00:48:50,775
to sell yeah i think that's a really good point and i
739
00:48:50,775 --> 00:48:53,635
also want to bring it back around to something that we chatted about
740
00:48:53,635 --> 00:48:56,375
earlier which is i like that you guys kind of
741
00:48:56,375 --> 00:48:59,375
know your lane right so you were saying like some of the larger gcs
742
00:48:59,375 --> 00:49:02,735
that's not a great fit you know just depending on each individual
743
00:49:02,735 --> 00:49:05,495
situation it might not be the very
744
00:49:05,495 --> 00:49:08,435
best software and i think that's really important from the
745
00:49:08,435 --> 00:49:12,015
standpoint of what you were talking about earlier your culture and your values used to know
746
00:49:12,015 --> 00:49:15,715
that and to from your sales team to be seeking that
747
00:49:15,715 --> 00:49:18,615
out and making sure that you guys are selling to the people that are really
748
00:49:18,615 --> 00:49:21,635
going to get the most use out of the software that you're selling yeah absolutely
749
00:49:21,635 --> 00:49:28,155
because the reputation is what we have really been selling on for 30 years right
750
00:49:28,155 --> 00:49:34,455
is that the companies come on and we can scale you know you can come from a five million
751
00:49:34,555 --> 00:49:40,655
startup and you're doing 50 100 million now yeah and our software handles it
752
00:49:40,655 --> 00:49:44,575
just fine there's very little difference other than now we're going to want
753
00:49:44,575 --> 00:49:45,235
to get some more detailed.
754
00:49:45,835 --> 00:49:48,495
Financials how are we doing maybe we divisionalize and see what sectors of our
755
00:49:48,495 --> 00:49:53,295
business are doing better over over the others but but it's very scaled and
756
00:49:53,295 --> 00:49:56,475
that's the other thing really to look at is how do these other software packages
757
00:49:56,475 --> 00:50:02,575
scale yeah yeah and one other piece is make sure the
758
00:50:02,655 --> 00:50:08,075
users are involved in the analysis because a lot of times you get executives
759
00:50:08,075 --> 00:50:10,655
that make these decisions and they say, Hey, this is the route we're going.
760
00:50:11,015 --> 00:50:13,735
And you get the implementation people going and they're like,
761
00:50:13,775 --> 00:50:17,035
well, this is how we did it over here. And this is how we're going to do it. And like, I don't know.
762
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:21,800
We're buying this because we want to do things differently. Listen,
763
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:25,740
you know, if you do go this route, listen to the implementation team because
764
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:29,200
they're, they're making recommendations based on how things should go,
765
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,440
not how things have gone. Right.
766
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:35,540
Very important. Great point. Yeah. And sometimes your change is hard.
767
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:41,040
Sure. He loves change, but there are many times when change is necessary.
768
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:44,240
If we're going to come to the next level of growth and scale for our business.
769
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,580
Very much. Very much. So when is it necessary?
770
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:51,120
And what are the reasons? Again, that goes back to that whole training thing
771
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:51,780
we were talking about earlier.
772
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:56,200
I think it's super important if you are management pushing this initiative,
773
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:58,440
like, okay, we're going to go make this big move to foundation,
774
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,120
letting them know it's not going to be easy.
775
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,700
But also having the conversations with everyone in the office,
776
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,700
like, what are the reasons that we're doing this?
777
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:08,280
And everyone can get on board with what those reasons are. It's going to make
778
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,080
that transition and that implementation so much more effective.
779
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,580
No, absolutely. And that couldn't be said any better. you
780
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:17,680
know if you guys aren't all on the same page right
781
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,540
like look this is what's happening it's going
782
00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:24,280
to suck for the next three to five months because it
783
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,940
just is it's accounting you never want to change your accounting system right
784
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:32,040
but this is the goal these are the some of the things that we're looking to
785
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,920
work on and we're hoping to streamline these processes so right we need you
786
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,040
on board and if you're not on board we kind of need you to tell us yeah it may
787
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,780
be time to part hard ways.
788
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:48,340
And sometimes I think it's super effective to even ask them, what did you not like?
789
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,700
Because if you can find the right ways, the things that they were unhappy about
790
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,240
in the old method, and help them find how that new method is going to improve,
791
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,420
then they can really own that and get on board and be solid in that process. Absolutely.
792
00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:05,640
Yep. That was good. Thank you so much, Brian, for having this conversation with us today.
793
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,860
If someone wants to know more about Foundation, how can they reach out to your
794
00:52:08,860 --> 00:52:15,280
sales team and where should they go? Yeah, I mean, they can get onto our website, foundationsoft.com.
795
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,560
And pretty much anything they needed there, there's contact us,
796
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,640
see more demo, all of those go right into our intake department.
797
00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:27,460
Again, it goes right into our inside sales to do a soft qualification.
798
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:31,400
You know, what are you looking for? Is it a good fit? All right,
799
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:33,520
we'll get you set up for a demo. What works for you?
800
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,420
If you're already a client and you need information on some additional products,
801
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:39,860
all of the products are listed out on the webpage as well.
802
00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:45,780
There's no shortage of means by which to get in touch. Awesome.
803
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,760
Great. Well, thank you, Brian. Have a great rest of your week.
804
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:50,600
Good talking to you. Thanks, Tanya. Appreciate it.
805
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:56,640
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806
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