Josh Safdie

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Hi, my name is Josh Safdie, and I feel like
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a liar. Saying that I feel anything about being Conan O'Brien's.
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Friend. Fall is here, hear the yell.
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Back to school, ring the bell. Brand new shoes, walking blues.
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Climb the fence, books and pens.
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I can tell that we are gonna be friends.
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Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. I'm
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the aforementioned Conan, joined by Sonam of Session, Matt Gorley.
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How we doing, gang? What's happening? Good. Good.
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Good in the hood.
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What's the mood? What's the mood today?
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Mood's pretty good, I'd say.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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No, am I wrong?
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No, I don't know. I'm just, I like to get
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the vibe in the room. I like to match things.
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The temperature. And I wasn't sure today. You all seem
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pretty happy, right? Yeah.
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I wish I ate more.
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What do you mean?
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I just didn't eat a proper meal before. And we're recording.
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It's like almost two o'clock and I'm hungry.
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What is a proper meal for you?
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What would that be?
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Literally any food in front of me.
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What did you have for breakfast?
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I didn't have breakfast.
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You didn't eat breakfast? That's the problem.
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Okay.
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All the years that Sona was my assistant, I lived
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in fear of her not getting breakfast.
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Her sustenance.
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Because her mood would go. No, no, you would become
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the Tasmanian devil. You really would if you didn't get
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your food. And another person who does that is my wife.
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My wife, I learned when we were early on going out,
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she would say, I'm getting a little hungry. What are
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you thinking about lunch? And I would think, yeah, yeah,
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we could do lunch. I learned that I need to
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act on that first warning sign. Yeah. Because she's a
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lithium battery.
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I see.
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She goes from having a charge to having no charge instantly.
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Yeah.
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And so then it would go downhill very quickly. Yeah.
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And so, and you're the same way, Sona. I am.
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I packed, snacks for my kids all the time but
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then I'll eat them because if I don't eat but
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also you know can I say.
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Something else your kids are malnourished yeah they are they're
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not eating you're constantly eating their snacks they're not eating.
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The oxygen mask in an airplane where you gotta take
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care of yourself.
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First yeah but Liza can live off of like an
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almond I need like a.
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Whole pheasant.
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What what it is true like a rotisserie chicken no
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she would.
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I can't tell you how many times On the Warner
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Brothers lot, Sona was screaming at the commissary people, I
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want my pheasant.
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Remember?
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And then we got you a crown and a king's robe.
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Remember that?
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And a scepter.
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And a throne.
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Yeah, I remember.
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I want my pheasant!
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Where's my pheasant feather?
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So you didn't get enough food. No, I didn't.
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I need to eat something after this.
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I saw you eating potato chips just before we recorded.
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I know. I've been snacking.
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I understand. That wasn't an accusation.
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I felt like you were accusing me of saying you
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ate chips, so you're fine.
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No, I'm not because there's no nutrition. Oh, wait, they
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were pheasant chips.
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They were.
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Yeah. It said now with 80% more pheasant. So I
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don't know why you're bitching.
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I need like a meal. I need something warm that
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was cooked and I need it in my body.
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What are you going to get after this then?
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Are you going to go straight to a restaurant just
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by yourself and corner table?
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I might.
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I might.
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I need to eat.
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You all both need to eat.
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Yeah. Yeah. I need to eat something that gives you
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more intelligence. Walnuts. Not just brain food, but food that
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actually is made of brain and gives you brain.
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Did you say walnuts?
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Yeah.
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Walnuts make you smarter?
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They help your semen too.
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Walnuts make you smarter? They do.
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Why?
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Walnuts make you smarter?
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Yeah.
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I tell people too, it's good for your semen.
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What? Wait.
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You and I are coming at this from different angles.
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Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. I'm pointing the finger
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at you, Sona. What do you mean it's good for
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your semen? What are you talking about?
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Like, you know, when you want to make a baby,
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you eat a lot of walnuts.
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No.
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Nobody? Tell me about it.
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Are you serious?
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Wait, are you talking about it's good for your semen,
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meaning that it makes better semen?
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I don't know what it does.
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Like stronger semen?
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I just know if you want to make a baby.
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Here we go.
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According to the internet, it improves motility.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Come to me.
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And morphology.
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Yeah, come to me for semen advice.
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Well, okay.
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Come to me for semen advice.
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Jesus Christ.
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It's good. If you want to make a baby. Now,
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there are foods that have low motility. Aren't there foods
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that affect the taste of semen?
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Well, I think, is that a myth? They say pineapple, right,
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is supposed to help it taste better.
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I mean, I say that. Can I just say something?
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I can't taste the difference. I can't. I've had tons
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of pineapple. And then I'm like, I got to get
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any pineapple here.
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You're drinking your own semen?
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Of course. I'm not going to eat someone else's junk.
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What was that?
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And you want Erwan to make a smoothie with your
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name on it.
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Yes.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah. I'm not going to. Someone else's semen. That's disgusting.
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Why do you think I do all those back exercises?
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Such a narcissist. You only drink your own semen. I'm
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constantly doing yoga. And I'm like, I'm almost there. Anyway, no,
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I've had so much pineapple and nothing.
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Oh, God.
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I've never held up a rap sign more.
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Oh, rap, rap. Well, listen, I think it's time to
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talk to an iconic filmmaker. Every publicist right now is
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taking us off the list. My guest today is a
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filmmaker known for such movies as Uncut Gems and Good Time.
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His latest film, Marty Supreme, is already getting just insane.
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Oscar buzz, it's everywhere.
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I'm sorry to interrupt.
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What?
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When I go home, I have to log these things
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into a spreadsheet, what each thing is about.
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Sure.
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And we do, like, Eduardo and I will put in
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a small description. Like, Sona talked about being hungry, but
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this one's going to be Conan drinks on jizz.
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Yeah.
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Post-pineapple binge. Okay. Continue. You know, not for no reason.
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All right.
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I'm thrilled he's here today. Joss Hafti, welcome. I think
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you and I are friends now.
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I think so, too.
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I think we are. I do.
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You know why? Through Sandler. Anyone who you know through Sandler,
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you feel like you're a friend.
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The best! You know, my favorite observation about Sandler, and
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this is in the last couple of years, is he
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always says the best. I'll bring up anyone. So let's
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say I see Sandler in half an hour at the
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store where they sell overly long gym shorts for middle-aged men.
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Yeah.
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And I say to him, hey, I just- Only middle-aged men. Yeah,
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only middle-aged men. It is such a long marquee.
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They card you when you go in.
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But it's actually, I see Sandler and I'll be like, oh,
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I know. What are you doing, buddy? What are you doing? Oh,
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I just saw Josh at the best. And then I
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can go, okay. And then 20 minutes later I can say,
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oh my God, I, I, I, by the way, I was, uh,
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I was just at a restaurant and I had a
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Reuben sandwich. The best. And he keeps saying the best
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down to the point where you're like, yeah, and then
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I was in New York and I, I actually, uh,
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I took the Lexington Avenue. Oh, the best!
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The best of the subways. He said once to me,
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I was like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
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He goes, the best. The best.
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And I understood it, though.
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It was real.
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I was like, yeah, it is the best to go
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to the bathroom.
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It is the best. You have that pressure feeling in
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your bladder, and then you don't. Then you don't. It's
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the best.
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It is the best. My wife has to text me
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throughout the day saying, go to the bathroom. I'll pee
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when I wake up, and then I go to sleep.
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Is that right? Yeah.
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It's unfortunate. So that's why when I talked to Santa,
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I said, we're going to the bathroom. And he was
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saying the best, like I'm doing it.
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Yeah. He says it all the time.
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There's variations. The best.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The best, the best, the best. But I love that
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he would even say it about like, yeah, you know, I, uh,
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I think, um, well, apparently, uh, The wife, the way
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she killed her husband is she used strychnine. The best! What? Instant!
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No trace! Doesn't show up in the blood. The best! Wait,
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are we talking about toxins that kill you? The best! But, okay.
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And he calls you Coney.
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Coney. He calls me Coney. He's the only one that can. And,
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you know, we live- I accidentally said it to someone.
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They're like, what are you doing? I was like, well, I'm.
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Going to go see Coney.
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And we're like, who the fuck are you talking about?
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Coney 2012. Coney. Is Coney like a seven-year-old boy?
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Also, we live in the same neighborhood and I have
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been driving through my neighborhood and seen what looks like
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1975 Stevie Nicks walking down the street covered in different
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colored garments And I look closer and it's Sandler where there's,
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and God bless him, he doesn't try to match any clothing.
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You know, it's just, it looks like a handkerchief store
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blew up near him and everything got glued to his body.
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And it's every single color you can imagine.
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It's unbelievable, yeah.
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And then I'll pull up and I'll be like, you know, hey, Adam,
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it's me. I'll lower the window, it's me, Conrad.
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He got pulled into a, when I was once, I
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was once with him and he got pulled into like
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some sort of high-end retail store because someone, you know,
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he's the nicest guys or someone's like, oh man, I'm
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a fan. He's like, let's take a picture. And they
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invited him into the store. He's like, I would love
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to show you my clothing. Adam Sandler in a high-end
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retail store does not make sense. So he said, I
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was like, what was going on in your head? He's like,
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I was counting the hangers. you know like at some
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point I have to just stop counting I did 20
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very nice stuff you have you.
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Got good stuff buddy you got good stuff I gotta
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go I gotta go well I also love he will
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come by my house and he'll Unlike other people, like
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in LA, you call ahead. No one just drops in.
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He'll do a drop in.
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Sandler will be outside the gate going, Coney! Coney! And
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then you let him in and he's like, oh, buddy, buddy.
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And I'll say, hey, sit down. And then within maybe
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two minutes, he'll say, because one time he brought his
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daughters with him. He was in my house for like
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five minutes. We watched part of a football.
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Game and he went.
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All right, I gotta go, I gotta go, buddy. He
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barely sat down and then he starts charging out and
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he's shouting up the stairs, come on girls, let's go,
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let's go. And he said, we know when we're not wanted.
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All I did was say, would you like a lemonade?
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Would you, you know, let's get out of here. He
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moves fast. He moves fast. But we are not here
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to eulogize Adam Sandler. He's alive and well and we
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love him.
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Yes, the best. The best.
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The best, the best. We are here... And I want
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to start with this and then we'll talk about other
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things and then we'll get back to it. But your movie,
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Marty Supreme, is a juggernaut of delight. It is a
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just love that movie. I have watched a lot of
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Oscar movies because I got to host that thing. I mean,
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movies that are getting award, you know, getting up for awards.
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Thank God you're hosting. You're a great, you know what
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I was telling Mariel's, you know, you could be the,
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if you were the host of a Denny's, I would
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go to that Denny's every day.
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Oh, thank you.
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Every day.
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You know, that might be more appropriate. You know what?
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If this year goes well, it's on to Denny's. I
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saw your movie with my friend Rodman, Flender, and I
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sat and the movie begins and it was a party.
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It was just like the crowd. It was one of
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those things that you dream about where the laughs are
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all there. The, the highs, the lows. And from the
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moment that movie begins, I was in all the way.
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Amazing.
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And it was just an absolute pure delight. And so
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I'm so happy you're here because, no spoilers, but I
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want to talk about this movie. This movie is a
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major achievement and I hope I mean, I know you're
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getting a lot of love, but I mean.
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Yeah, but love from the people who you look up
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to and respect is different. It's just different.
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Yeah.
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But it means a lot. And also, weirdly, I was
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saying someone was asking me because Abel Ferreira, who's in
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the film, who I've been a huge fan of, and
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I knew him when he was not a sober person,
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and I know you did too.
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Yeah.
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And one of the best Conan interviews is the Abel
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Ferreira Conan interview because it is like yoga, man. You
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are stretching.
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You are doing... It was unhinged. And I'll tell you,
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you know, sometimes there are movies about show business and
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in movies about show business, like, you know, my favorite year,
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there's just improbable crazy things that happen. People get on
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stage seconds after they fix the broken set and the
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curtain comes up like a second before. Abel Farrar was
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on the old late night show. He was this legendary
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director and persona guy. and not long before he was
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going to come out, he was not the first guest,
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he might've been the second guest.
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Dennis Leary was the first one. Okay, Dennis Leary was
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the first.
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Guest, and Abel Farrar's going to come out, and while
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I'm out doing the monologue, or maybe even talking to
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Dennis Leary as the first guest, Abel Farrar, who's in
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his dressing room, runs away, gets to the elevator bank
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at late night on Rockefeller Center, hits the button, gets
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on the elevator, and disappears. And he's the next guest up.
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And I didn't know anything about this, but God bless him,
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Frank Smiley, who's been one of my, my segment producer
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forever and did every single late night show and was
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a major force behind the show. He takes off, gets
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another elevator. goes down and then runs out onto the
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street and does that thing in movies where you look right,
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you look left. And then he just gets a glimpse
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of Abel Farrar in like a leather jacket and that saunter.
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And he takes off and Abel Farrar goes into a
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bar and starts ordering a drink. And Frank goes in
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and has to drag Abel Farrar back, convince him, cajole him,
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physically pull him. gets him back, they take the elevator up,
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and he gets him back on his mark backstage, as
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I'm saying, ladies and gentlemen, Abel Farrar.
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That's unbelievable.
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And you didn't know any of that? I didn't know anything,
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because how could I?
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You're on the stage.
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Yeah, and I'm just, you know, in full host mode,
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and then he comes out, and if you ever want
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to look up that interview, it's Abel Farrar, Conan O'Brien,
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on the late night show, and it is me talking
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to a wild animal, and he... is, I think, a
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big part of Marty Supreme, which we will talk about.
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My favorite part of the interview, though, is how quickly
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Dennis Leary abandons any sort of allegiance he has to you.
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And you would think the two of you kind of
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would be connected and bonded.
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Yeah, two Boston Irish guys.
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Yeah, he's like, all right, this is my, he goes right,
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maybe he wanted a part, I don't know what it was,
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but he went right to, Abel doesn't smoke cigarettes, he
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takes a cigarette. He's talking to Dennis. He's, you know,
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Abel Farah asked me once to do a Q &
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A with him and I've watched him do Q & As.
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And his thing, particularly when he was not a sober person,
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was to throw the moderator under the bus instantly and
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just take it to the audience and then just make
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fun of the moderator. And he did that to you.
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Yeah.
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He did that to you. But he's, you know, I
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think you said something about like Stallone subtitles at some
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point and he was just like, what does that mean?
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He would ask me every take, he would say to me,
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he would say, I'd tell him, you know, what the
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scene was and, you know, whatever. We had all these
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amazing conversations through WhatsApp because he lives in Rome. And
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he said, he was like, all right, you do it.
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I was like, I'll do it? Yeah, he's like, you
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do the scene. And I'll watch, you know, I'll know,
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I'll watch you do it and then I'll know how
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to do it.
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Something no actor wants.
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And then he said, so I did it, but I'm
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doing the scene as if I'm Abel Ferreira. So, and
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I'm like doing like the, I'm not talking. He goes,
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you're doing me doing the scene.
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I was like, yeah. That's what's going to happen. You
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know what I mean?
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That's eventually what's happening.
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So yeah, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
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His book is really good. He's been sober 13 years
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and his book is good.
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Well, good for him. I'm glad.
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When I worked on my first film, it was that situation.
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Each take, he'd just walk away, wearing the lobby microphone,
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go to a bar, pound a beer, and then put
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the beers inside of his jacket, do the scene with Ronnie,
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who's the lead of the movie, Mary's husband, who I
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wrote the movie with.
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And then Ronnie.
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Ronnie would do the scene with him. They never had
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one word outside of the actual scene where they exchanged
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each other. And then for years, Abel would introduce me
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to people as his director because I don't think he
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remembered my name. I don't think he remembered my name.
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I love him.
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He's this very special guy. And that interview with you
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is like one of the great Conan flailing interviews.
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Yeah, no, it's... And you know what Lorne Michael said
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to me once? He said, Conan, people like to watch
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you work, which is... And I realized he was right.
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People like to watch me... squirm, contort myself, both my
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soul and my physical body in order to kind of
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make something work. And he said, they like to watch
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you work. And I said, well, I don't like it.
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I like it when it's really easy. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm going to get us talking about Marty Supreme, which
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is getting all kinds of love.
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I'm just turning this off quickly because I'm getting, I
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have a three-year-old and she's probably trying to FaceTime me.
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It's all good.
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Yeah, your priorities are correct. Let me turn this off
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right now. Quiet to the three-year-old. Shut up, Minnie. You're talking.
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Minnie, I'm talking to Conan O'Brien right now. You have
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no idea what.
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This means to me. I have so many questions about
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this movie. And then the first of all is, I
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don't think this movie could be made without Timothy. Timothy
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is this nuclear force at the center of the movie
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that needs to propel it. And I know that you
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usually are thinking about who this movie has to be for.
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I know that you and your brother, when you were
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thinking about Uncut Gems, it had to be Sandler. And
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it had to be Sandler to the degree that you
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wrote it for Sandler in 2011, he passes. He passes
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again in 2015. Sandy passed a bunch, that's what Sandy
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keeps saying.
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Sandy Wernick, Sandy Wernick, yeah.
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Sandy Wernick, his longtime, and I love you, Sandy, but
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Sandy Wernick just kept getting this goofy script and I
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think not even showing it to Adam.
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Definitely not.
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But then finally you guys kept at it. You didn't
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cast anybody else. In 2017, you get Adam to say yes.
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And I think it has been such a wonderful thing
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for Adam because after that movie, those of us who
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know Adam, saw that he was a real dramatic actor
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long before Uncut Gems. But you guys put him dead
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center in the crosshairs and gave him this acting challenge
498
00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:08.099
and he killed it. And that is you guys, that's Adam.
499
00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:12.480
But I know that That whole process of doing Uncut
500
00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:13.980
Gems took you 10 years?
501
00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:15.160
10 years, yeah, 10 years.
502
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Unbelievable.
503
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This one was six.
504
00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:17.160
Yeah.
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00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:21.039
My wife's like, you got to figure it out. Can't
506
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do it that way.
507
00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:25.640
Yeah, yeah.
508
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.599
But Sandler, you know what's interesting? It's like, okay, so
509
00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:30.519
then I did the special with Sandler Love You, and
510
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.819
he makes you cry. Sandler can make you cry. I
511
00:22:32.859 --> 00:22:35.329
was just telling him in the clip that I saw
512
00:22:35.369 --> 00:22:39.390
from Jay Kelly, he's such a big, golden retriever or
513
00:22:39.410 --> 00:22:42.190
not a mastiff he's more like a mastiff big mastiff
514
00:22:42.230 --> 00:22:45.980
who's like you know i don't even like i don't
515
00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:47.599
even want to say out loud some of the things
516
00:22:47.660 --> 00:22:50.160
i feel about him because i'm very for me he's
517
00:22:50.299 --> 00:22:53.609
i'm very emotional about him and uh i think most
518
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:55.390
people who are close with him do get that way
519
00:22:55.450 --> 00:22:58.509
because he is very open he's like a very uh
520
00:22:58.609 --> 00:23:03.019
mushy mushy person i love that word mushy He's very mushy, mushy, mushy, gushy.
521
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.099
And mushy, tushy. That's what I say to my daughter.
522
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.779
I've turned into a three-year-old. I say it all the time.
523
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.240
I'm like, mushy, tushy. Everything is tushy.
524
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.079
With my daughter. She's calling again. She's like, you got
525
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:14.380
it right.
526
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.660
That's it. I'll literally just turn to my daughter, Minnie.
527
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.119
Every once in a while, I'll be like, Minnie, guess what?
528
00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:20.829
She goes, tushy. And I was like, tushy. Anyway, saying this.
529
00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:23.359
Why do we have to evolve?
530
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:23.980
Yeah, we don't.
531
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:24.440
We don't.
532
00:23:24.859 --> 00:23:25.059
I didn't.
533
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:26.000
You got to be forever young.
534
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.579
I had Jack Fisk, my production designer, one of the
535
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:30.759
greatest of all time. He's just turned 80 or he's
536
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.140
79 or something. And he worked with the best and
537
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:35.680
he grew up with David Lynch and he's did some
538
00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:39.119
amazing movies. There Will Be Blood and Mulholland Drive and Badlands.
539
00:23:39.140 --> 00:23:41.549
He met his wife, Sissy Spacek on. And he is
540
00:23:41.589 --> 00:23:44.250
probably the youngest person I've ever really gotten to know.
541
00:23:44.269 --> 00:23:46.410
Like he's like an eight year old. And like we're
542
00:23:46.430 --> 00:23:49.599
texting at three, four in the morning. And I just
543
00:23:49.660 --> 00:23:51.759
felt so... I felt young with him.
544
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:51.980
Yeah.
545
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.140
So you just stay tushy. You just got to stay
546
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:54.829
tushy all the time.
547
00:23:54.849 --> 00:23:55.789
Tushy, mushy tushy.
548
00:23:55.809 --> 00:23:58.690
Mushy tushy. But Sam, when I was making Gems, and,
549
00:23:58.789 --> 00:24:00.700
you know, spoiler alert to anyone who hasn't seen it,
550
00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:01.930
he dies at the end of the movie.
551
00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:02.779
And.
552
00:24:03.450 --> 00:24:07.130
The entire film for me was watching somebody who's so
553
00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.380
alive all the time and knowing that he dies, I
554
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.359
would well up and cry throughout the movie. And he
555
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:14.819
was like, what's going on with you? And I was like,
556
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.140
I know, I have issues. But I really would.
557
00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:20.680
It's so funny that you had the power to keep
558
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:25.009
him alive. I know. I could have. He had to die.
559
00:24:25.029 --> 00:24:25.960
He gets winged in the shoulder.
560
00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:27.509
Not only that, but you essentially killed him.
561
00:24:27.569 --> 00:24:28.470
Yeah, yeah. I know.
562
00:24:28.529 --> 00:24:29.009
It's weird.
563
00:24:29.049 --> 00:24:31.549
And it's just, I'm all broken up. Why? I'm going
564
00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:32.450
to murder you soon.
565
00:24:33.450 --> 00:24:33.589
Oh.
566
00:24:33.769 --> 00:24:35.009
It just breaks my heart.
567
00:24:35.549 --> 00:24:39.630
But he is also the best. Yeah. He's also so like,
568
00:24:39.930 --> 00:24:44.859
to me, that he is that like alive, electric character
569
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:48.160
who is like constantly looking to just disappear at any moment,
570
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.480
just connect with somebody. And he's anxious. He's a very
571
00:24:51.619 --> 00:24:54.690
anxious person. His early standup, where he's talking, pretending to
572
00:24:54.730 --> 00:24:57.259
be things in the refrigerator. You know what I mean?
573
00:24:57.299 --> 00:25:00.839
He's a, his humor is very unique. I grew up
574
00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:05.019
loving those albums so much, so much to the point
575
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.269
when I'm meeting people who appear on the albums, I'm
576
00:25:07.289 --> 00:25:11.309
like starstruck. And so, so I, you know, felt like
577
00:25:11.349 --> 00:25:13.450
I knew him on some level. So when I wrote
578
00:25:13.490 --> 00:25:16.269
it for him, I also knew that he had, he
579
00:25:16.289 --> 00:25:18.609
has this rage in him, which he does. That's real.
580
00:25:18.690 --> 00:25:21.039
That's not, You know, I mean, it's obviously those who
581
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.119
know him, he can get he can have an outburst,
582
00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:25.880
but they're loving and immediately he can go back to
583
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.369
being mushy, tushy. But he's still like he's still Sandler
584
00:25:30.609 --> 00:25:32.970
and he's the Sandman people. How many people do you
585
00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:34.390
know in your life? You can just call them that.
586
00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:40.460
I knew like six. I worked at a sand company
587
00:25:40.539 --> 00:25:46.059
for a while. I did. They manufacture high-grain sand.
588
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.660
And you knew no one's name, so you just called
589
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:49.039
everyone Sandman. That's what you do.
590
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.049
And half of them's name, when I found out, was Sandman. So,
591
00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:53.390
you know, but you know, it's interesting to me.
592
00:25:53.390 --> 00:25:54.309
The last name was Sandman.
593
00:25:54.329 --> 00:25:58.390
Yeah, the last name. Jews. Sandman. I'm Wysha Sandman.
594
00:25:58.410 --> 00:26:04.190
Yeah, I'm Superman. Speederman.
595
00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:06.390
Yeah.
596
00:26:07.210 --> 00:26:09.150
That's what I would say. I would say Marty is like,
597
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.920
he's like Speederman. He's Marty Speederman.
598
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.480
Yes. Well, he is. I mean, here's the thing.
599
00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:15.859
But I did write it for Timmy. I did.
600
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:16.559
I wrote it for him.
601
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.079
I met him before I really knew him as an actor.
602
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:21.059
And this kid that I met, you know, I would go,
603
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.099
I was at the premiere for one of our movies.
604
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:25.859
Agent comes up to me, agent's at a party and
605
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.009
they're like, oh, I want to introduce you to the
606
00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.230
next superstar. It's pretty obnoxious. You hear that all the time.
607
00:26:30.289 --> 00:26:33.200
Everyone's the next superstar. So I'm skeptical and I go
608
00:26:33.220 --> 00:26:34.750
and I meet this kid and he's in the corner
609
00:26:34.769 --> 00:26:36.970
of the room and he's with his buddy and he
610
00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:39.710
was there, but he wasn't like there. He wasn't where
611
00:26:39.730 --> 00:26:41.029
he wanted to be. And he had, he was like,
612
00:26:41.190 --> 00:26:43.829
he couldn't stand still. He was like coming out of
613
00:26:43.869 --> 00:26:46.799
his own skin and he had these really big dreaming eyes.
614
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.619
And then I, then I went to go see a movie.
615
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:50.319
I call me by her name, like four months later.
616
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.640
And he, that movie could have been like kind of
617
00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:55.660
a small film, you know, and he just through his acting,
618
00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:58.230
through his performance, expanded the walls of this movie, made
619
00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:01.519
it a huge movie. And, and I watched him on
620
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.480
stage afterwards. He turns in this like super serious star
621
00:27:05.059 --> 00:27:08.539
forming performance. And then he's doing, being interviewed at the
622
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.250
New York film festival, 1200 people. And he's rocking back
623
00:27:11.329 --> 00:27:14.349
on his chair, which I do all the time uncontrollably.
624
00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:16.869
And he fell, he fell down on his ass onto
625
00:27:16.910 --> 00:27:19.769
his back. Could have been very embarrassing, but every single
626
00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:21.730
person in that room laughed and we laughed like we
627
00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:24.130
were his guest. And that was so like, cause we
628
00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:25.980
felt so intimate to him. So I wrote it for,
629
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.599
when I said to him, I was like, I want,
630
00:27:27.930 --> 00:27:29.369
that person to be this part.
631
00:27:29.509 --> 00:27:31.920
Well, so what's interesting to me about this movie is
632
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.039
watching it, and there's a bunch of things that struck me,
633
00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:39.799
but one reminded me a little bit of Frank Capra.
634
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.579
Frank Capra used to make the most of small characters.
635
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:48.750
So yeah, okay, you're watching Jimmy Stewart or whatever, but
636
00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:51.390
then he goes in just to buy a newspaper and
637
00:27:52.009 --> 00:27:54.950
and the guy who sells in the newspaper is memorable.
638
00:27:55.349 --> 00:27:58.269
Maybe has one line, but is memorable. That is usually
639
00:27:58.309 --> 00:28:03.410
not done anymore. And Marty Supreme, I watched it and
640
00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:06.849
I turned to my friend Rodman afterwards and I went,
641
00:28:06.890 --> 00:28:11.210
those faces, all the faces of everybody, people that are
642
00:28:11.269 --> 00:28:15.789
in that dreary hotel where Abel Ferrara lives. Anytime there's
643
00:28:15.809 --> 00:28:18.829
a face in the crowd who, and the camera's on
644
00:28:18.849 --> 00:28:24.150
them for a second, Their face is fascinating. These faces
645
00:28:24.230 --> 00:28:27.289
loom out at you, and they're absolutely incredible. And I
646
00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:29.390
was thinking about all the supporting players.
647
00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:31.690
I mean, we cast every single person.
648
00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:36.329
David Mamet, Sandra Bernhardt, Isaac Mizrahi, Abel Ferrara, Tyler, the Creator,
649
00:28:36.549 --> 00:28:41.250
Kevin O'Leary from Shark Tank. And, you know, you have, yeah, okay,
650
00:28:41.269 --> 00:28:44.779
Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, but that's not a shock that Gwyneth
651
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:45.839
Paltrow was in a great.
652
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.880
Movie, but- She hadn't acted in a while.
653
00:28:48.019 --> 00:28:52.480
Yeah, but to see- Kevin O'Leary and say, yeah, the
654
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.619
guy from Shark Tank, he should have a major part
655
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.599
in this and then have it work perfectly. I love
656
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.170
the fearlessness with which you guys say, wait a minute,
657
00:29:02.509 --> 00:29:05.410
that's the face, that's the person. And I think you're
658
00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:10.009
seeing something in them that you think is, as you said,
659
00:29:10.069 --> 00:29:14.920
it's all a documentary. This Marty Supreme movie is based
660
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:20.150
on a guy loosely, very loosely, very, very loosely inspired by,
661
00:29:20.190 --> 00:29:25.380
but it's a completely fictitious tale. And then what you guys, uh, do,
662
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:29.880
what you've done is you've extracted the essence of these
663
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.890
people somehow. And they're the, they're perfect in those moments.
664
00:29:33.950 --> 00:29:36.670
Yeah. I always, when I meet somebody, I'm just, I
665
00:29:36.710 --> 00:29:39.430
want to see the best in them, you know? And I, and, um,
666
00:29:39.910 --> 00:29:43.180
and I admire people who are centered, like people who
667
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.099
are kind of, they're invisible to themselves because I'm not.
668
00:29:47.779 --> 00:29:52.440
But I do, I admire people who are iconic. They're
669
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.299
iconically them. There's a guy in the movie who plays Abel's, like, side,
670
00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:58.160
his friend.
671
00:29:58.339 --> 00:29:58.509
Yeah.
672
00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:02.630
Who... who's also in Uncut Gems and his name is
673
00:30:02.670 --> 00:30:06.900
Mitchell Wenig. And he met him in a diner in
674
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:08.420
2007 or something. And I always wanted to put him
675
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.680
in something and Benny and I put him in a
676
00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:11.359
short and then we put him in Gems and I
677
00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:12.700
stay in touch with him. He shows up in the
678
00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:15.900
Sandler special and he's a, his job, he worked for HUD,
679
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.789
the housing department in New York City. And then he,
680
00:30:19.789 --> 00:30:22.529
his hobby is he's an autograph collector. This guy is
681
00:30:22.789 --> 00:30:26.990
in the movie and I saw him hovering and waiting
682
00:30:27.069 --> 00:30:29.049
outside Gwyneth's trailer.
683
00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:31.819
With a folder and.
684
00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:38.170
Glossy images of her from Emma. And I said, Mitchell,
685
00:30:38.230 --> 00:30:41.410
what are you doing? He goes, you think it's inappropriate?
686
00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:44.549
I said, you're a co-star. You want me to get
687
00:30:44.569 --> 00:30:46.029
the autograph? He's like, no, I really want to be
688
00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:47.700
the one to get it because there's a specific place
689
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.279
where she has to sign. But what I love about him,
690
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.880
he doesn't sell. So he's different from the guys who
691
00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:57.440
are selling stuff nonstop and making sure it's here and there.
692
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.140
He and he was, you know, good friends with Johnny. Anyway,
693
00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:04.460
he is I love being around him. I genuinely like,
694
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.579
you know, every his point of view on life. I
695
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.559
find it so refreshing, everything he has to say. And
696
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:15.190
I am, you know, moved by people who are iconically themselves.
697
00:31:15.569 --> 00:31:17.839
So how do I get it? How do I do it?
698
00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:19.769
What is I mean? I just I don't know. I
699
00:31:19.789 --> 00:31:22.950
just see somebody and I see them for their essence.
700
00:31:23.029 --> 00:31:26.049
And and I believe that if you know someone really well,
701
00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:28.980
these interviews help. and getting to know them and making
702
00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:31.849
them feel comfortable. That's like so much of directing is
703
00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.450
just making people feel, I mean, that's, you had to do,
704
00:31:35.130 --> 00:31:39.089
still have to do it. And then they can get
705
00:31:39.130 --> 00:31:42.670
into a space where they can be, without starting to
706
00:31:42.710 --> 00:31:46.150
sound like evil, manipulated, but they can be- But that
707
00:31:46.210 --> 00:31:48.230
is your job, to manipulate them. Yeah, they can be
708
00:31:48.329 --> 00:31:52.470
led into situations. And then having someone like Timmy, I
709
00:31:52.490 --> 00:31:55.670
can actually work with him, through him sometimes, And I
710
00:31:55.710 --> 00:31:58.369
don't put marks down on the floor or anything. And Darius,
711
00:31:58.410 --> 00:32:01.710
my cinematographer is like master lighter spends three hours. He's like, no,
712
00:32:01.730 --> 00:32:03.730
they have to stand right here. I was like, not
713
00:32:03.750 --> 00:32:05.609
if they don't want to Darius. And I was like, no,
714
00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:07.930
trust me. He's like, they, they have to, I won't
715
00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:09.130
be lit up there over here. I was like, then
716
00:32:09.170 --> 00:32:11.049
they're not lit. Then they're not lit over there and
717
00:32:11.069 --> 00:32:13.210
they're standing there, but I'll get them there. And more
718
00:32:13.250 --> 00:32:15.890
or less the blocking that I have, I generally know
719
00:32:15.930 --> 00:32:18.190
how this person's going to move and they will most
720
00:32:18.259 --> 00:32:20.829
likely land in that pool of light. But if they don't,
721
00:32:20.869 --> 00:32:22.819
it actually helps add, I think, a little bit of
722
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.920
realism to the movie because things aren't so perfect. Did
723
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.019
you recognize the guy in the cage who's with George Gervin,
724
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.039
who's the great Iceman from the Spurs? There's a guy
725
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.059
who works in the cage. He's kind of like the,
726
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.539
I guess, the greeter. He's the voice of the ping
727
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.339
pong parlor. There was a viral video in 2007 of
728
00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:43.539
this man on the side of the highway. He was homeless.
729
00:32:44.029 --> 00:32:45.990
And he had a sign and the guy said, all right,
730
00:32:46.009 --> 00:32:47.490
I'll give you a dollar if you use that magical
731
00:32:47.529 --> 00:32:49.769
voice that you claim to have. He goes, this is
732
00:32:49.789 --> 00:32:55.039
welcome to 75. So it was like an early viral sensation.
733
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.799
Then he became the man with the golden voice. And
734
00:32:57.819 --> 00:33:00.160
then he fell on some hard times and good morning
735
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:02.579
America called him the man with the so-called golden voice.
736
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.180
He still had the golden voice, but I don't know
737
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.960
why all of a sudden it was so-called. And I
738
00:33:06.259 --> 00:33:10.220
loved him. I found him to be so special and
739
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.599
warm and, you know, um, and the voice too. When
740
00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:17.279
you cast somebody, you're also casting a voice, which is interesting.
741
00:33:17.299 --> 00:33:19.619
Like I put Marianne from Brooklyn from the Stern show.
742
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.460
She's the first person you see in the movie and
743
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.180
her voice. What's great about Marianne from Brooklyn is she's
744
00:33:25.220 --> 00:33:27.509
so beautiful, but you hear this voice and they put
745
00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:30.750
the crow sound all the time. Fred's like, every time
746
00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:33.130
she speaks. But her voice, I find the voice to
747
00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:35.109
be beautiful. And then you see her and she's beautiful.
748
00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:37.410
And then you cast her and she's the first face
749
00:33:37.450 --> 00:33:39.210
that you see, but you hear her first. Anyway, so
750
00:33:39.329 --> 00:33:41.579
I'm casting all of it. But here's the scenario, but
751
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.200
what I'm saying is- Sorry, I could talk forever.
752
00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:44.740
No, no, but what I'm saying is the scenario that
753
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:49.819
fascinates me is in this world now, post-Marty Supreme and Gems,
754
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.279
you know, you're going to have so many big actors,
755
00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:55.019
they're going to be approaching you and saying, oh, you know,
756
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:57.670
come on, Josh, I'd be great for this. I'd be
757
00:33:57.690 --> 00:34:01.369
really good for this. And, you know, it's Matt Damon
758
00:34:01.390 --> 00:34:03.069
and it's Ben Affleck and they're like, yeah, yeah, and
759
00:34:03.089 --> 00:34:05.289
I'd be great for it too. And then you have
760
00:34:05.329 --> 00:34:08.579
to tell them, guys, it's not you. Well, who's it?
761
00:34:08.590 --> 00:34:10.940
Who do we lose it to? You know, who do
762
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.840
we lose it to? You lost it to the guy
763
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:18.210
who came to fix the toilet 40 minutes ago. He
764
00:34:18.230 --> 00:34:21.789
had the snake, and he was routing around, but he
765
00:34:21.829 --> 00:34:23.800
had the light hit him, and I just knew he
766
00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:28.199
had that purity of, I need to get this toilet unclogged,
767
00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:30.119
and I don't care how much shit I need to
768
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.380
handle with my bare hands.
769
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.840
And by the way, that guy's playing Jason Bourne, too.
770
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:34.280
Yeah, exactly.
771
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.659
Also, I'm the safty version of Jason Bourne. But I mean,
772
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:39.880
that is something that I.
773
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.639
It happened with Dave Krumholz, actually, because he was going
774
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.929
for the part that Mitchell ended up getting. And his
775
00:34:44.969 --> 00:34:47.329
audition was amazing. He was great. He's a great actor.
776
00:34:47.349 --> 00:34:49.809
I've always loved him since Sums of Beverly Hills, even
777
00:34:49.849 --> 00:34:53.650
before then. And he's just a fantastic actor. But then
778
00:34:53.670 --> 00:34:56.409
he's like, you know, I saw the movie and I realized, oh,
779
00:34:56.449 --> 00:34:58.269
I lost it to that guy. You know what I mean?
780
00:34:58.309 --> 00:35:01.670
Like, you're not, he paints lines on a parking lot.
781
00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:04.849
You know, he's, he's, he's, uh, you know, he's, I,
782
00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:08.449
they wanted like this real, this real person, this guy's essence,
783
00:35:08.489 --> 00:35:11.670
who as much as that he could emulate it, he's
784
00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:14.110
not that person. And, And I think adding a lot
785
00:35:14.150 --> 00:35:16.190
of people who you also don't know, but you feel
786
00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:19.050
like you know them immediately has this kind of additive
787
00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:22.389
effect that you're just in real life. And every single
788
00:35:22.409 --> 00:35:24.329
person in the cast, the guy who works in the
789
00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:27.349
shoe store, this guy, Lloyd, he's a horse better. He's
790
00:35:27.389 --> 00:35:31.469
the great horse better at Aqueduct Racetrack. And Ratso, who's
791
00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:34.340
a friend of mine, you never crossed paths with him, right?
792
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.119
He was not the lampoon guy. at all.
793
00:35:36.219 --> 00:35:36.780
I don't think so.
794
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.280
So Larry Sloman, he, he was a great writer. He
795
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.239
wrote Stern's book, private parts. I don't think I know him,
796
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:43.820
but I could, I might be best.
797
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.010
I know, I know, I know him. I'm a very
798
00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:46.789
empty man.
799
00:35:47.590 --> 00:35:47.829
I know.
800
00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.389
Who are you by the way? And where are we
801
00:35:50.429 --> 00:35:50.780
right now?
802
00:35:50.829 --> 00:35:53.389
He's the guy who plays the uncle. Oh yeah. So
803
00:35:53.429 --> 00:35:55.650
he's a, anyway, so the backstory that I had for
804
00:35:55.690 --> 00:35:58.880
him is that he got this shop, uh, through his
805
00:35:59.050 --> 00:36:03.059
kind of his horse racing obsession. Yeah. And then I
806
00:36:03.099 --> 00:36:04.539
tell that to Jen and then just like, Oh, we'll
807
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.440
look at horse betters. So then all of a sudden
808
00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:07.380
you're getting.
809
00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:11.480
This is, I mean, this is a, this casting technique.
810
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.409
It might change things because it's so effective and powerful.
811
00:36:16.449 --> 00:36:19.110
And this whole idea of, well, we've got to cast
812
00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:22.210
someone as the nerd who operates the elevator. get me
813
00:36:22.250 --> 00:36:25.570
all the nerds and everyone who has got an eight
814
00:36:25.590 --> 00:36:27.650
by 10 where they're wearing glasses that's taped in the
815
00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:32.079
middle and they're like, um, they, they just, by the way,
816
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:32.659
I just.
817
00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:34.480
Learned what the, what the word geek is. You know
818
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.159
what a geek is?
819
00:36:35.179 --> 00:36:36.940
Well, I know what I think a geek is.
820
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.579
No, but like, I just, I was talking to Ronnie
821
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:41.960
and he casually mentioned, like he was talking, he's reading
822
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.460
a book about the circus.
823
00:36:44.420 --> 00:36:44.800
Oh, yeah.
824
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.079
A geek is the person who like bites the heads off.
825
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.599
Of chickens and stuff. Oh, that kind of geek. Yeah.
826
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.679
Circus geek. Yeah, circus geek. There must be some correlation
827
00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:54.469
between a geek. But then it somehow became nerdy.
828
00:36:55.530 --> 00:36:58.969
It's like, no, it's not. Its original derivation is not nerd.
829
00:36:59.590 --> 00:37:00.369
It's not nerd.
830
00:37:00.429 --> 00:37:03.090
Nerds are smart. Geeks are not smart. Geeks are totally
831
00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:06.889
outside society and they're... What's a dweeb then? Well, dweeb
832
00:37:06.929 --> 00:37:07.670
is very different.
833
00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:08.820
Yeah, what is a dweeb?
834
00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:10.829
Well, I'll tell you because I have long experience.
835
00:37:11.909 --> 00:37:13.090
That's why I'm asking.
836
00:37:13.369 --> 00:37:14.869
I don't know. I have no idea. I like to
837
00:37:14.909 --> 00:37:15.929
pretend I know instantly.
838
00:37:16.469 --> 00:37:18.630
Well, there was a great in Living Color sketch. It
839
00:37:18.650 --> 00:37:20.690
was like a geek, a dweeb, or a spaz. And
840
00:37:20.730 --> 00:37:23.150
you had to pick. And I remember that as a kid.
841
00:37:23.170 --> 00:37:23.559
I loved it.
842
00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:24.369
Anyway, sorry.
843
00:37:24.409 --> 00:37:27.190
Going back to why did I say geek? Oh, you're
844
00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:28.170
talking about the tape.
845
00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:32.429
Yeah. But let's get back to the center of the movie.
846
00:37:32.489 --> 00:37:32.809
Timothy is.
847
00:37:38.420 --> 00:37:43.320
He's spectacular, and also this is something he did last
848
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:48.539
year in the Bob Dylan. He went off and learned
849
00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:53.269
how to play guitar in a very specific way that
850
00:37:53.949 --> 00:37:58.230
mimicked how Dylan was playing guitar in those early village
851
00:37:58.289 --> 00:38:03.710
years and got it down just right, which is no surprise.
852
00:38:04.210 --> 00:38:09.210
easy thing to do. No, not at all. Then for
853
00:38:09.969 --> 00:38:10.849
Marty Supreme.
854
00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:12.590
I mean, if there's any voice you want to emulate,
855
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:15.820
Dylan's probably the easiest. Yeah.
856
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.300
Maria Callas, not so much. I lost that part. I
857
00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:23.360
don't know why. But when you get to Timothy playing
858
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:27.059
table tennis, he's so convincing. And I found out later
859
00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:30.780
on that Yeah, you can do things, I guess, with
860
00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:35.039
CGI or whatever, but he really spent a long time
861
00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:39.500
getting great at this. And I started to realize he's
862
00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:42.010
built like a table tennis guy.
863
00:38:42.070 --> 00:38:43.409
He's absolutely so.
864
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.429
Wiry and kinetic and he's got so much energy that
865
00:38:48.130 --> 00:38:52.469
it's the perfect sport for him to play. I don't
866
00:38:52.489 --> 00:38:53.409
know if that went into.
867
00:38:53.429 --> 00:38:55.269
I think he would like to imagine that he could
868
00:38:55.309 --> 00:38:58.309
be an NBA basketball player, but sure, table tennis.
869
00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:00.159
No, I... Don't tell him I said that.
870
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:00.880
No, no, no, I won't.
871
00:39:00.909 --> 00:39:04.940
Tell him I said, you know, oh, yeah, Lakers. The first.
872
00:39:05.139 --> 00:39:08.719
One of the first, you know, the inspirations for the
873
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.219
movie was this character that my wife, who's a producer
874
00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:13.579
on the movie, got this book that was an autobiography
875
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.389
memoir about this wiry kind of... There was a bunch
876
00:39:16.429 --> 00:39:19.690
of these intense... outsiders who hung out at this table
877
00:39:19.730 --> 00:39:24.019
tennis parlor, Midtown New York. Um, a footnote of history
878
00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:26.539
was interesting. It was owned by the first black business
879
00:39:26.619 --> 00:39:29.389
owner in the Times Square district. That's who his name is.
880
00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:32.239
Herwald Lawrence. And that's who George Griffin plays. But at
881
00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:34.280
this place, which my great uncle played at, he said
882
00:39:34.300 --> 00:39:36.739
there was like an orphanage for outcasts. And they were
883
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:42.110
all these wiry kind of proto ADD, super smart people
884
00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:44.650
who got terrible grades because they just did not care
885
00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:49.969
for school. astrophysicists and criminals Motley crew. And I saw,
886
00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:51.369
I was like, I immediately, when I was realizing, I
887
00:39:51.389 --> 00:39:53.409
wanna know what these guys looked like. And I typed
888
00:39:54.369 --> 00:39:58.550
in like 1949 British open. And I immediately see these guys,
889
00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:02.690
young guys, wire, wirey bouncing all over the place. And
890
00:40:02.750 --> 00:40:04.389
I immediately called Timmy and I was like, this is
891
00:40:04.429 --> 00:40:05.739
the project we can do together.
892
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:06.050
Yeah.
893
00:40:06.389 --> 00:40:08.500
And I said it weirdly. I, I don't know why
894
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.300
I was like so fearful of the idea of period.
895
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.449
So I put it to Peter Gabriel. I have the
896
00:40:12.489 --> 00:40:15.010
touch that, that feeling time I like is the rush hour.
897
00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:18.179
Cause I like to touch the rush. Uh, and, uh,
898
00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:20.969
and that was the, that was the beginning of it.
899
00:40:20.989 --> 00:40:22.800
And I just thought I was like, if there's any sport,
900
00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:26.119
this would be perfect for, for Timmy. And he, and he,
901
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.480
and he spent like seven years. I remember he played
902
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.599
me early on six years, six years.
903
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:30.940
Yeah.
904
00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:33.500
Cause he was doing it in tandem with Dylan. And
905
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.420
I remember he played me and my wife, we went
906
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:36.960
to see him. He played, he was just starting to
907
00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:38.820
learn guitar. He didn't know how to play guitar when
908
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.289
he started doing Dylan at all. And he's like, oh,
909
00:40:41.300 --> 00:40:42.559
I want to play you a Dylan song. And I
910
00:40:42.739 --> 00:40:44.519
wish I could remember the song. I remember him playing
911
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.239
and me looking at my wife and I was like,
912
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.090
it's going to be a rough one. You know, it
913
00:40:49.110 --> 00:40:51.030
was like, he was like, well, that was good. Right.
914
00:40:51.070 --> 00:40:53.949
I was like, you're amazing, man. That was, that was something.
915
00:40:54.130 --> 00:40:56.090
And I meant it was something. Yeah.
916
00:40:56.210 --> 00:40:56.349
Yeah.
917
00:40:56.369 --> 00:41:02.710
That was something. But then I watched him like over
918
00:41:02.750 --> 00:41:05.639
the years in tandem with table tennis. And he started
919
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.920
training with this guy and, who was like the youngest
920
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.429
of US champion, this guy, Michael Landers, who was on
921
00:41:11.469 --> 00:41:14.210
a Wheaties box at one point. Maybe it was not Wheaties,
922
00:41:14.230 --> 00:41:17.789
but it was another cereal brand. Anyway, I watched him
923
00:41:17.849 --> 00:41:20.090
train and he got the mechanics good. And then by
924
00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:24.110
the time I linked him with this husband-wife team, Diego
925
00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:27.849
Scoff and his wife, Wei Wang, who she was an Olympian,
926
00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:30.050
who he did, because I read that he did Forrest Gump.
927
00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:32.570
And I was like, I mean, whoever did Forrest Gump,
928
00:41:32.909 --> 00:41:35.389
I loved as a kid. I love that section, which
929
00:41:35.429 --> 00:41:38.210
is inspired by an amazing true story in the seventies
930
00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:42.070
that broke down the communication between China and the U
931
00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:42.610
S it.
932
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:44.500
Was through relations. Yeah.
933
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.039
It was through table tennis. It was like hippie guy
934
00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:51.199
missed his bus in Tokyo in the seventies and or
935
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.880
the sixties and got onto the Chinese bus and they
936
00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.920
were all, they hadn't seen an American person. So now
937
00:41:56.940 --> 00:41:58.820
there's this like long haired guy and he's like, Hey,
938
00:41:58.889 --> 00:42:01.690
peace and love everybody. And the number one player in
939
00:42:01.730 --> 00:42:04.090
the world goes up to him, gives him a gift
940
00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:07.059
and The guy gives him a gift back and that
941
00:42:07.099 --> 00:42:10.889
made news. And then Mao was invited the team to China.
942
00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:13.070
And then that broke. And then Nixon was like, all right.
943
00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:15.650
And then it became known as ping pong diplomacy. Nixon
944
00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:19.070
visited shortly after. And I didn't know that story until
945
00:42:19.110 --> 00:42:21.469
I was doing research for this. But you watch Forrest
946
00:42:21.530 --> 00:42:24.170
Gump and you assume all of that sequence when, you know,
947
00:42:24.190 --> 00:42:26.610
when he's like showing up like Zellig and all the
948
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.679
world is. But anyway, so how did I get on that? Oh,
949
00:42:31.579 --> 00:42:34.780
ping pong with Diego, who did Forrest Gump. When they
950
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.059
met with him, Diego has this incredible.
951
00:42:38.179 --> 00:42:42.070
So Diego is helping to instruct Timothy.
952
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.949
His wife is going to teach him how to play
953
00:42:43.989 --> 00:42:46.570
better because the mechanics had to be perfect. And Diego
954
00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:49.510
is going to be the choreographer consultant. And he has
955
00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:53.969
this incredible recorded library of footage of going back to
956
00:42:53.989 --> 00:42:56.670
the 80s of these amazing games. So we combed through
957
00:42:56.690 --> 00:42:59.579
all of those. and built each point, the narratives of
958
00:42:59.619 --> 00:43:02.380
each point. It's unbelievable. And we, yeah, it was really, yeah.
959
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.440
So the games, I imagine, I hope the games are
960
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:05.900
really engaging and entertaining.
961
00:43:06.019 --> 00:43:07.440
The games are thrilling.
962
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:07.699
Yeah.
963
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.869
They are thrilling to watch. And, you know, again, what
964
00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:18.050
adds to it is that Marty's desperately wanting to be
965
00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:21.989
the best and show everybody, actually probably knows I am
966
00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:24.099
the best and I need to show everybody I'm the
967
00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:25.460
best and I will do everything.
968
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.929
I love the Guinness Book of World Records. I've always
969
00:43:28.969 --> 00:43:29.230
loved it.
970
00:43:29.230 --> 00:43:30.510
I was fascinated with that when I was a kid.
971
00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:32.690
Because it's amazing. Because you'd be like, wow, this guy's
972
00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:34.849
the best at this thing. He can hold his breath
973
00:43:34.869 --> 00:43:37.250
for three and a half minutes while balancing a ball
974
00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:42.179
on his head. There's something really beautiful about the desire
975
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:48.219
to have a place in the sun, basically. And dreams
976
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:52.260
in particular are fascinating to me. And I told the
977
00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:54.710
story kind of like a heist film. you know, it's, it's,
978
00:43:54.769 --> 00:43:57.329
but it's like dreams as heists, you're like trying to
979
00:43:57.369 --> 00:44:00.489
control your own fate. And, uh, I think that kind
980
00:44:00.510 --> 00:44:03.199
of adds to a little bit level of suspense. It's like,
981
00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:06.719
you're watching somebody, you know, his dream is totally ridiculous
982
00:44:06.739 --> 00:44:09.840
to 99.9% of the people he meets and every moment
983
00:44:09.900 --> 00:44:12.699
that people do not buy into his dream or, and
984
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.099
every moment he fails is approbation to them. So it's
985
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.719
like the whole, every time he gets set back in
986
00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:20.570
the movie, I think What I like to hear is
987
00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:22.699
people really feel that, and it adds a level of
988
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.239
tension to it. But it's about a guy who really
989
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.300
just wants to be the greatest table tennis player, which
990
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:28.820
doesn't really get him anything.
991
00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:34.190
There's a lot of things about Marty that's unlikable. You know,
992
00:44:34.409 --> 00:44:39.809
very brash, very rude, cutting corners left and right, throwing
993
00:44:39.829 --> 00:44:41.489
people under the bus if he has to.
994
00:44:41.969 --> 00:44:42.530
And yet.
995
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.300
there's not a person watching that movie who isn't rooting
996
00:44:45.340 --> 00:44:47.599
for him. And I find that to be really fascinating.
997
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.320
And that's the sleight of hand that I think is
998
00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:52.380
really magical about, you know.
999
00:44:52.699 --> 00:44:56.110
Well, you have to give somebody, I think love is
1000
00:44:56.170 --> 00:45:00.550
more important than likability. And I believe that those moments
1001
00:45:00.590 --> 00:45:03.210
that you are connecting with him are kind of pure.
1002
00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:07.429
And they are, because they're pure, they have a feeling
1003
00:45:07.469 --> 00:45:10.119
of love attached to them. Like liking is more of
1004
00:45:10.179 --> 00:45:13.780
a casual thing. Uh, and look, you know, I, I,
1005
00:45:14.329 --> 00:45:17.809
and I think that he's out chasing happiness, desperately chasing
1006
00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:21.070
happiness and happiness is a very fleeting kind of haunted feeling.
1007
00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:23.519
Happiness is very, is kind of sad in a way
1008
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.119
because it's so hard to, to achieve.
1009
00:45:26.179 --> 00:45:27.860
It's trying to grab smoke. Exactly.
1010
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.599
Exactly. And I think that there is something sympathetic to it,
1011
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.179
but I think his youth, I think when you're young,
1012
00:45:33.219 --> 00:45:38.210
the concept of consequences. So it's so small. because the
1013
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.119
world is so big. And because it's so big, there's
1014
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:41.940
so many different options. Well, that didn't work. I can
1015
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.840
go over here. And I think that that youth is
1016
00:45:45.019 --> 00:45:47.179
also kind of a little bit of, the movie's kind
1017
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.420
of about being an idiot in your 20s. You know
1018
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:49.760
what I mean?
1019
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.300
Oh my God. And also confidence.
1020
00:45:51.460 --> 00:45:52.719
Yes. Oh my God.
1021
00:45:53.059 --> 00:45:57.010
This guy. You need confidence. This guy who talks his
1022
00:45:57.050 --> 00:45:58.849
way into all these situations and then he's in a
1023
00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:02.849
big room. And he's in London, I think.
1024
00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:05.650
Which one, in the dining hall with Kevin O'Leary when
1025
00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:06.679
he comes up?
1026
00:46:06.699 --> 00:46:11.880
Well, he sees Gwyneth Paltrow's character come in. So this
1027
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.320
extraordinarily beautiful woman comes in and he sees her and
1028
00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:18.300
he's like, yep, gonna call her up.
1029
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.949
And then he- Well, her stardom is like, it's so
1030
00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:26.650
interesting to him. He's just like, wow. she burns bright
1031
00:46:27.909 --> 00:46:30.150
and distract. He's upset. The beginning, he's upset with the,
1032
00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:33.429
it's the press conference that he's manipulated. He's upset that
1033
00:46:33.449 --> 00:46:35.489
they're not paying attention to him in this moment because
1034
00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:38.570
he has everything totally figured out. He knows how he's
1035
00:46:38.590 --> 00:46:40.340
going to get, he's going to say the things that
1036
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:42.059
are going to get a rise out of these people.
1037
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:43.860
So they're going to want to write a piece about him.
1038
00:46:44.179 --> 00:46:45.500
Then he's going to be proud of his little, I
1039
00:46:45.500 --> 00:46:48.000
used to walk around with a little village voice clipping
1040
00:46:48.099 --> 00:46:49.480
when I would do my research and I'd pull it
1041
00:46:49.539 --> 00:46:51.760
out to show somebody like, I'm a serious filmmaker. Check
1042
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.849
it out. Look at my little village voice clipping. And
1043
00:46:53.889 --> 00:46:56.010
in hindsight, I was so proud of those little clippings
1044
00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:59.239
in hindsight. It's probably kind of pathetic. You know what
1045
00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:01.780
I mean? I'm like showing this tiny little clipping and
1046
00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:03.880
I'm like, trust me, give me some money to make
1047
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:05.820
this movie. Look at me. I was in the village voice.
1048
00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:08.139
And like the minute someone pulls a clipping out of
1049
00:47:08.179 --> 00:47:12.920
their wallet, you've lost the argument, but he, but it's,
1050
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:13.719
but it's, but.
1051
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.840
It's endearing when he, when Marty does it in the
1052
00:47:15.909 --> 00:47:18.489
movie with Gwyneth. And I think that like the magic
1053
00:47:18.550 --> 00:47:20.829
with time I've been able to kind of, you know,
1054
00:47:20.869 --> 00:47:24.730
it was tragic. but it's comedic. You know, what is the, um,
1055
00:47:25.309 --> 00:47:28.389
comedy is tragedy plus time. Like that feels that I
1056
00:47:28.429 --> 00:47:30.780
think that's what makes that funny is that it's so
1057
00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:33.420
tragic that he is that way, but he's so confident
1058
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.860
that it kind of down, downplays. And I think his
1059
00:47:35.900 --> 00:47:38.599
confidence is, is interesting to people. I think it makes
1060
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.929
people are motivated to kind of want to root for him.
1061
00:47:41.179 --> 00:47:43.340
Plus there's a little bit of a trick happening where you,
1062
00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:46.360
it's the sporting elements. You're forced to root for him.
1063
00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:46.789
Yes.
1064
00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:48.590
You know, like any, I don't know any, I don't
1065
00:47:48.610 --> 00:47:51.380
understand anyone who watches sports casually. Like you have to
1066
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.320
have a narrative. You have to have a team that
1067
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:56.300
you root for. There's stories inside of that so that
1068
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.719
you can invest yourself in the game. Just to like,
1069
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:00.559
that's why I think people love gambling so much because
1070
00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:02.519
it's like, oh, I get to watch the sport and
1071
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:04.719
have something that I really want out of it. Yeah.
1072
00:48:04.940 --> 00:48:08.460
And I think that that that does help a little
1073
00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:10.389
bit in the movie. I think you feel like you
1074
00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:11.989
really have to root for him.
1075
00:48:12.349 --> 00:48:14.650
Now, let's let's go to 10,000 feet. Google Earth out
1076
00:48:14.670 --> 00:48:17.679
of this whole thing. This movie now, it's awards season.
1077
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:18.900
I was really there just now.
1078
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.219
Yeah.
1079
00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:21.880
No, I'm going to go even higher and talk about,
1080
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:29.320
actually talk about plate tectonics. But no, we, movie, awards season.
1081
00:48:29.409 --> 00:48:32.429
Are you chill during these situations where you're going to
1082
00:48:32.489 --> 00:48:37.150
go to, depending on when this airs, but it's still
1083
00:48:37.170 --> 00:48:39.070
going to be awards season, I think, when this comes out.
1084
00:48:39.349 --> 00:48:42.289
And are you able to go and be somewhat detached
1085
00:48:42.570 --> 00:48:46.159
or are you... Is every fiber of your being hope
1086
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.650
that you come home with a big award?
1087
00:48:47.690 --> 00:48:50.769
Oh my God, no. I, you know, part of the
1088
00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:53.170
inspiration for this movie was the feeling that I had
1089
00:48:53.289 --> 00:48:55.929
after finishing Uncut Gems. You have this like 10 year
1090
00:48:56.389 --> 00:49:00.190
journey where you're filtering your entire life through these characters.
1091
00:49:00.230 --> 00:49:03.940
You're trying to understand your life through fiction and you're writing,
1092
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.400
you're creating these characters and maybe you can change the
1093
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.239
way you feel. And like, oh, that's why I did this,
1094
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.039
said this to my girlfriend or whatever, did this to
1095
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:14.869
my buddy. And I woke up every morning, I had this,
1096
00:49:14.949 --> 00:49:16.690
and I was like, I gotta get adam sandler guy
1097
00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:19.210
i'm saying then finally you're making the movie with a
1098
00:49:19.230 --> 00:49:22.320
decent budget and with adam sandler and then it's done
1099
00:49:22.820 --> 00:49:24.639
and then i finished the movie and i'm showing it
1100
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.059
and the pandemic's like around the corner unknowingly and someone
1101
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.099
said what's next and i started to cry because i
1102
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.719
was like i didn't know i had this hollow feeling
1103
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.139
because this thing that was like my drive every single
1104
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:37.940
day was gone didn't.
1105
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:40.550
You contemplate maybe being an architect I did. How do
1106
00:49:40.570 --> 00:49:45.380
you know that? I ask around. I walk around alleys
1107
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:48.219
with Abel Ferrara and give people $ 20. What's the word?
1108
00:49:48.340 --> 00:49:49.380
What's the word on Josh?
1109
00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:51.480
Well, I said to Ronnie, I said to Ronnie, I said,
1110
00:49:51.500 --> 00:49:53.659
I don't even know if I want to do this anymore.
1111
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.579
And he was like, whoa, you're my writing partner. What
1112
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.360
do you mean? And I was like, I do. I
1113
00:49:59.389 --> 00:50:01.210
would love to one day build a building. That's like
1114
00:50:01.250 --> 00:50:03.969
my big dream. I like the feeling of a narrative
1115
00:50:04.010 --> 00:50:06.530
of a building, of going in and experiencing and having
1116
00:50:06.590 --> 00:50:09.340
something happen inside. going out the back and coming through
1117
00:50:09.380 --> 00:50:11.739
and then like forever that area you have like a
1118
00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:15.480
relationship with it. But so I've had that hollow feeling
1119
00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:17.110
when I shouldn't have had a hollow feeling. I should
1120
00:50:17.130 --> 00:50:19.849
have felt incredible. Should have felt like I did this thing.
1121
00:50:19.889 --> 00:50:22.230
I should have felt a sense of accomplishment, but I didn't.
1122
00:50:23.070 --> 00:50:25.130
And that feeling is you see that at the end
1123
00:50:25.170 --> 00:50:27.559
of Marty a little bit, you know, that he finally
1124
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.000
does this thing, but it's for who, for himself, for what?
1125
00:50:30.619 --> 00:50:33.949
And dreams are really lonely. So That I have that now,
1126
00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:35.099
I can't, I'm not gonna lie.
1127
00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:37.349
I'm feeling this. Right, so you're done with this. And it's, yeah.
1128
00:50:37.409 --> 00:50:40.269
And I'm, yeah, next is the, I'm gonna contact Burger
1129
00:50:40.289 --> 00:50:43.070
King about designing their new, because I think that there
1130
00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:45.929
needs to be more aesthetics in fast food. I don't
1131
00:50:45.969 --> 00:50:48.070
like the direction of that the fast food has gone in.
1132
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:49.900
You know what's gonna happen? You're gonna go into the
1133
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.940
Burger King because you want to design a better Burger King.
1134
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:54.260
And you're going to see someone working the fryer and go,
1135
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.340
that face! You're the next Myrna Loy. Myrna Loy? Who
1136
00:50:58.380 --> 00:50:59.840
the fuck is Myrna Loy?
1137
00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:03.670
But I do feel like, so right now, I'm just
1138
00:51:03.690 --> 00:51:06.130
having a slightly disassociative feeling.
1139
00:51:06.190 --> 00:51:06.389
Sure.
1140
00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:08.309
Kind of like, you made this really personal thing. It's
1141
00:51:08.349 --> 00:51:10.150
connecting with people and audiences.
1142
00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:12.070
Yeah. Deservedly so.
1143
00:51:12.250 --> 00:51:16.869
I was once at a film festival in Poland. And
1144
00:51:16.909 --> 00:51:18.829
these were like a lot of very small art films.
1145
00:51:19.699 --> 00:51:22.039
And I was there at a movie, tiny movie that
1146
00:51:22.059 --> 00:51:24.420
me and my brother made. And there's other movies that
1147
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.280
we like. And they sat us all in one room.
1148
00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:29.780
He said, one of you will be leaving with 200,000 euro.
1149
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:33.400
And it's look to your right and look to your
1150
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:35.360
left and it might be them and it might not
1151
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.289
be you. And all of a sudden, everyone's looking at
1152
00:51:37.309 --> 00:51:39.150
each other like, oh, you get competitive.
1153
00:51:39.230 --> 00:51:39.349
Yeah.
1154
00:51:39.369 --> 00:51:42.150
And they're like, holy shit. And it was horrible.
1155
00:51:42.250 --> 00:51:43.010
I didn't like that.
1156
00:51:43.150 --> 00:51:44.650
I thought I was coming to this festival to share
1157
00:51:44.710 --> 00:51:47.630
this thing, get to see Poland. Then that volcano happened.
1158
00:51:47.789 --> 00:51:50.750
Remember the volcano eruption that no one could say? The
1159
00:51:50.769 --> 00:51:52.170
name of that volcano. And then all of a sudden,
1160
00:51:52.289 --> 00:51:54.989
all the U.S. judges who were supposed to come in
1161
00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:57.329
and be a part of the government were grounded in America.
1162
00:51:57.349 --> 00:51:59.789
So I'm like, oh, shoot, our best. You know, Benny
1163
00:51:59.809 --> 00:52:01.739
and I are figuring out how we're not going to
1164
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:03.730
win because we had these U.S. judges. So then we
1165
00:52:03.769 --> 00:52:06.340
partnered with another filmmaker. We're like, all right, if you win,
1166
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.519
which we thought they had another great movie, if you win,
1167
00:52:09.539 --> 00:52:12.519
let's share the money. And he was like, that's a
1168
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.110
deal done. And then, you know, you get there and
1169
00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:17.769
you're just looking at everybody. And the competition thing is
1170
00:52:17.809 --> 00:52:22.170
kind of weird. That said, it's nice to win. Oh, no,
1171
00:52:22.210 --> 00:52:24.510
there's some of the Polish film because they only could
1172
00:52:24.570 --> 00:52:27.650
use Polish people and the jury. So you thought this
1173
00:52:27.690 --> 00:52:29.429
was going to a place like, and we won.
1174
00:52:29.449 --> 00:52:33.309
Yeah. Hey, do me a favor, Josh. Sorry. Let's do
1175
00:52:33.349 --> 00:52:36.909
a rewrite. No, no, no. You won.
1176
00:52:36.989 --> 00:52:39.559
But you wanted, it was interesting is that they, they said,
1177
00:52:39.699 --> 00:52:43.500
we really wanted to go and visit Auschwitz. And they said,
1178
00:52:43.539 --> 00:52:45.500
you know, okay, well, you know, there's a bit of
1179
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:48.679
a situation because, because there was this volcano, things are
1180
00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.460
really scrambled. We can't really get people, all the people
1181
00:52:51.500 --> 00:52:53.199
who want to go to go at once. So we're
1182
00:52:53.219 --> 00:52:54.449
going to go at 2 PM. So we went at
1183
00:52:54.449 --> 00:52:56.659
2 PM. You drive, We get there and this woman
1184
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:58.840
who ran like another film festival was like, oh man,
1185
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.300
I didn't realize I had this screening at 6 p.m.
1186
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.010
It's now like 4 p.m. It takes like an hour
1187
00:53:04.030 --> 00:53:06.349
to get back. And they were like, she's like, can
1188
00:53:06.369 --> 00:53:08.949
we do an abridged version of this tour? And I'm like,
1189
00:53:09.010 --> 00:53:11.789
an abridged version of a tour of Auschwitz? And they're like, well,
1190
00:53:11.809 --> 00:53:13.989
it takes like three hours to walk it. And the
1191
00:53:14.010 --> 00:53:16.050
woman's like, can we do the hour version? And I'm like,
1192
00:53:16.130 --> 00:53:19.550
look at this person. And we're literally like running through Auschwitz.
1193
00:53:20.289 --> 00:53:22.869
That's where they experimented on the fetuses. This is where
1194
00:53:22.889 --> 00:53:24.389
they did this and that's where they did that. And
1195
00:53:24.409 --> 00:53:27.639
we're looking around and then, The alternative, if you won
1196
00:53:27.699 --> 00:53:30.800
to the 200,000 euros, you can get 2 million euros
1197
00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:35.780
to make a movie that takes place in Poland. So
1198
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.480
that was going to be the movie. It was going
1199
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:41.309
to be this comedy that took place at Auschwitz. about
1200
00:53:41.349 --> 00:53:42.849
the tourism industry.
1201
00:53:45.050 --> 00:53:50.570
Difficulty of the dive. I always judge a project by
1202
00:53:50.630 --> 00:53:55.570
difficulty of the dive. You know, your comedy about Auschwitz
1203
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is pretty good. Wow. Well, listen, I have to say,
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I wish you all the best because I really did
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love this movie as did so many other people. And
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I wish you well. And I think you're the real deal.
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I have a burning issue I'd like to discuss. Burning? No, no,
1242
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:07.940
not that. Creams have solved that issue. And various ointments, salves,
1243
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:11.349
and related balms. But that's not the point. The point
1244
00:56:11.409 --> 00:56:14.630
is there's something real that's happening in the world. Sona,
1245
00:56:14.769 --> 00:56:17.300
why don't you tell the good people... What I like
1246
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:19.320
to have maybe three days out of the week.
1247
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.920
You like to have what was formerly known as the
1248
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.019
Haley Bieber smoothie from Erewhon.
1249
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.909
Yes. And so Erewhon makes this smoothie. It only costs $ 800.
1250
00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:35.309
You need a cosigner at the bank, but you get
1251
00:56:35.349 --> 00:56:38.750
this smoothie. It's very delicious and it's got various flaxes
1252
00:56:38.849 --> 00:56:43.179
and resins, bombs, anointments, aforementioned. It's got all kinds of
1253
00:56:43.219 --> 00:56:46.400
stuff in it, but tastes good. And I really like it.
1254
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.019
I don't get it all the time, but I get
1255
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.960
it maybe twice, maybe three times a week, sometimes on
1256
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:51.500
a busy week.
1257
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:52.780
And your skin looks great.
1258
00:56:52.940 --> 00:56:55.559
It's been so good for my skin. And it is
1259
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:57.219
called the Haley Bieber smoothie.
1260
00:56:57.469 --> 00:56:57.719
Right.
1261
00:56:58.340 --> 00:57:01.670
Very recently, David went out and grabbed me one and
1262
00:57:01.710 --> 00:57:05.150
he came back and he was pale as a ghost. Ashen.
1263
00:57:06.010 --> 00:57:08.650
I just, what happened? And he said, it's no longer
1264
00:57:08.789 --> 00:57:11.590
called the Haley Bieber smoothie. He looked up for it
1265
00:57:11.630 --> 00:57:13.360
on the board. It's not there.
1266
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.400
There's not even an indicator like this is what you
1267
00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:16.920
used to buy or formerly known as?
1268
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:19.219
No, her name's not there. It's no longer called the
1269
00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.289
Hailey Bieber smoothie. I think it's called.
1270
00:57:21.309 --> 00:57:25.190
The strawberry glaze smoothie. So there's just no name associated
1271
00:57:25.210 --> 00:57:25.369
with it.
1272
00:57:25.369 --> 00:57:25.590
Right.
1273
00:57:25.710 --> 00:57:29.670
There's no celebrity name. And I don't trust any product
1274
00:57:29.690 --> 00:57:32.190
that doesn't have a celebrity name.
1275
00:57:32.449 --> 00:57:32.550
Oh.
1276
00:57:32.809 --> 00:57:35.610
I'm very hardcore about that. Do you know what I mean?
1277
00:57:36.570 --> 00:57:38.869
If I'm gonna grill something, it's gotta be on the
1278
00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:40.210
George Foreman grill.
1279
00:57:40.230 --> 00:57:42.710
Could you just do any rockin' New Year's Eve or
1280
00:57:42.809 --> 00:57:44.010
only Dick Clark's rockin'?.
1281
00:57:43.989 --> 00:57:46.650
Only Dick Clark's, and God rest his soul, I won't.
1282
00:57:46.989 --> 00:57:50.429
If someone says, hey, let's rock this Eve, I'm like, yeah,
1283
00:57:51.369 --> 00:57:53.289
but it's not gonna be just a generic rock. It's
1284
00:57:53.309 --> 00:57:55.869
gotta be the Dick Clark New Year's rockin' Eve. So
1285
00:57:56.389 --> 00:58:00.840
I am very much attached to celebrity endorsement. It's the
1286
00:58:00.969 --> 00:58:02.760
only kind of product that I really want or that
1287
00:58:02.780 --> 00:58:03.050
I trust.
1288
00:58:03.090 --> 00:58:03.340
Mm-hmm.
1289
00:58:05.909 --> 00:58:09.510
So this has been a blow. And I do think
1290
00:58:09.769 --> 00:58:12.590
there needs to be a celebrity name attached to that smoothie.
1291
00:58:12.610 --> 00:58:15.110
And so this message is going out to the good
1292
00:58:15.130 --> 00:58:18.030
people at Erewhon. I know that you must be devastated.
1293
00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:21.880
My guess is that they had Hailey Bieber under contract
1294
00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:23.659
for a certain amount of time and it expired.
1295
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.039
Yeah.
1296
00:58:24.460 --> 00:58:28.090
And so now they're back to just old raspberry glaze.
1297
00:58:28.190 --> 00:58:28.929
Strawberry.
1298
00:58:28.949 --> 00:58:32.349
Okay, whatevs. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But
1299
00:58:32.369 --> 00:58:34.010
I don't want to walk up to the counter and say,
1300
00:58:34.130 --> 00:58:38.570
I'll have just some strawberry glaze. Boring. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
1301
00:58:38.730 --> 00:58:39.769
Where are you headed with this?
1302
00:58:40.210 --> 00:58:41.349
I think we all know.
1303
00:58:41.369 --> 00:58:42.050
I think we do.
1304
00:58:42.289 --> 00:58:44.630
You need a celebrity attached to this, and it needs
1305
00:58:44.690 --> 00:58:46.309
to be someone who... Young.
1306
00:58:46.530 --> 00:58:47.329
Oh.
1307
00:58:48.869 --> 00:58:52.780
Young compared. Relevant. Young compared. Hold on. It's all relative.
1308
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:56.199
Young compared to, say, people that were serving when Pearl
1309
00:58:56.219 --> 00:59:00.380
Harbor was bombed. I think it's all relative. It's got
1310
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.039
to be a whippersnapper, which means anyone under 70. Yeah.
1311
00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:07.570
Eduardo pulled it up. And just to chime in, it's technically,
1312
00:59:07.590 --> 00:59:09.969
it looks like the name is the strawberry glaze skin smoothie.
1313
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:10.559
Yes.
1314
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:11.380
Okay.
1315
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.460
I'm going somewhere with this. Thanks, nerd.
1316
00:59:13.820 --> 00:59:16.050
Well, I just wanted to say that I think whoever
1317
00:59:16.090 --> 00:59:18.889
they choose next, whether it be you or somebody else,
1318
00:59:19.449 --> 00:59:21.730
they're going to want to be their model for the skin.
1319
00:59:22.059 --> 00:59:26.199
Yes, yes, okay. And this is why, some people listening
1320
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:27.820
are like, oh, that's going to be a problem for
1321
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.230
what Conan's about to pitch. No, no, no, no, no.
1322
00:59:30.670 --> 00:59:33.630
It's all the more reason. A lot of people associate
1323
00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:38.000
Conan O'Brien with, oh, his super quick wit. You know,
1324
00:59:38.619 --> 00:59:42.960
those bedroom eyes. The eye vein. The eye vein that
1325
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:50.400
has been in a bedroom. The hair, the pompadour, you know,
1326
00:59:50.420 --> 00:59:52.360
all that kind of stuff. Whatever. First of all, I
1327
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:54.480
have a kind of strawberry look.
1328
00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:54.920
That's true.
1329
00:59:54.940 --> 00:59:57.219
Yes, I do have that. Oh, yeah. You're making some
1330
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:01.530
points here. And I do have beautiful skin. It really
1331
01:00:01.570 --> 01:00:03.269
does glow. It really does.
1332
01:00:04.630 --> 01:00:07.000
Because you can see light through it. I.
1333
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:09.760
You can see my skeletal structure.
1334
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.219
Okay.
1335
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:14.239
I am, uh, the visible woman. And so I'm just
1336
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:19.730
saying I'm, I'm a pretty big name. And, uh, yeah.
1337
01:00:20.449 --> 01:00:24.250
Am I young? No, I'm not young, but also I'm
1338
01:00:24.329 --> 01:00:26.050
one of those people. You're like, you're not really sure
1339
01:00:26.150 --> 01:00:29.190
how old that guy is. If you don't have immediate
1340
01:00:29.289 --> 01:00:33.820
access to the internet. So, um, And I behave in
1341
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:35.719
a very youthful manner. I'm very immature.
1342
01:00:35.739 --> 01:00:36.119
Yeah.
1343
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:41.019
So all I'm saying is I am willing to lend
1344
01:00:41.139 --> 01:00:43.940
my name. And when I say lend, yes, there will
1345
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:48.980
be financial compensation. But I am willing to throw my
1346
01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:52.119
hat into the ring because I'm sure other celebrities are
1347
01:00:52.179 --> 01:00:55.050
pitching this hard. I know for a fact that Paul
1348
01:00:55.110 --> 01:00:57.710
Rudd was in there two days ago, just screaming at
1349
01:00:57.750 --> 01:01:00.320
them to call it the Paul Rudd. And that is
1350
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:01.940
a death knell for that.
1351
01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:02.320
Yes.
1352
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.360
Does it have to be that one? Or are you
1353
01:01:04.460 --> 01:01:06.059
open to naming any one of their other?
1354
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.900
This is my opening. It's a very popular smoothie, Eduardo.
1355
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.699
Why would you cock block me with this?
1356
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.340
They have like a whole bunch more.
1357
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:13.809
Let's see what we got here. All right.
1358
01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:16.510
They have an incessant bits smoothie.
1359
01:01:16.530 --> 01:01:17.570
That should be you.
1360
01:01:17.590 --> 01:01:22.550
There's an incessant bits smoothie that they already have. And
1361
01:01:22.570 --> 01:01:24.429
it says made with real comedy bits.
1362
01:01:24.449 --> 01:01:25.889
You should choose the always on.
1363
01:01:26.429 --> 01:01:28.170
I feel like this has to be it because this
1364
01:01:28.210 --> 01:01:29.469
is the one you drink all the time.
1365
01:01:29.570 --> 01:01:32.559
Oh, look. Perfect Amino Choco Revive.
1366
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:34.920
By Gary Brekka. That one's got a name.
1367
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:35.719
Yeah, who's Gary Brekka?
1368
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.539
I would do this Conan O'Brien smoothie. I'm sorry, if
1369
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.480
they're putting Gary Brekka's name on a smoothie, then yes.
1370
01:01:40.539 --> 01:01:42.469
I think he's like a longevity expert.
1371
01:01:42.489 --> 01:01:43.329
Oh, yeah.
1372
01:01:43.349 --> 01:01:43.710
Okay.
1373
01:01:44.909 --> 01:01:45.670
We'll see.
1374
01:01:45.730 --> 01:01:46.710
Yeah, exactly.
1375
01:01:48.510 --> 01:01:52.840
Let's see. Gorgie Cherry Crush. I mean, if it's not.
1376
01:01:53.380 --> 01:01:56.429
I'm putting my name in for this because there's a void.
1377
01:01:56.949 --> 01:01:59.889
But if it has to be another smoothie, we can
1378
01:01:59.929 --> 01:02:02.309
talk about that later. But you've opened a whole can
1379
01:02:02.349 --> 01:02:02.989
of worms here.
1380
01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:05.800
Yeah, I think this makes sense because you.
1381
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.179
I enjoy it. Yeah, you're red. I'm plugging it right now.
1382
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:14.579
I am red. I have luminous skin. Yeah. I am
1383
01:02:14.739 --> 01:02:15.989
married to Justin Bieber.
1384
01:02:16.889 --> 01:02:20.090
You're like, if you can't get Hailey Bieber, you seem
1385
01:02:20.130 --> 01:02:22.829
like the obvious second choice to Hailey Bieber.
1386
01:02:22.989 --> 01:02:23.090
Yes.
1387
01:02:23.130 --> 01:02:24.070
So that makes sense.
1388
01:02:24.170 --> 01:02:25.510
Yes.
1389
01:02:25.530 --> 01:02:27.690
I actually think it would serve them well.
1390
01:02:27.710 --> 01:02:29.690
But can't you see people saying, I want the Conan O'Brien?
1391
01:02:29.849 --> 01:02:31.409
I want the Conan O'Brien. Be honest. Can you see
1392
01:02:31.429 --> 01:02:32.880
them doing that? I actually would.
1393
01:02:32.989 --> 01:02:35.980
I'm not even joking. I think that Erewhon should name
1394
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:39.980
this movie after you. But wait, when you say compensation.
1395
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:42.420
What do you mean? Do you want like $ 200?
1396
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:42.960
Yes.
1397
01:02:44.250 --> 01:02:47.030
I'm not fucking around here, okay? First of all, I
1398
01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:49.429
would get my representation involved and I would just start
1399
01:02:49.469 --> 01:02:52.219
to hammer Erewhon. And I mean hammer them. Okay, but
1400
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:53.219
that might not work. Well, first of all, I'd go
1401
01:02:53.260 --> 01:02:56.039
in and I'd say, what did Hailey Bieber get? They
1402
01:02:56.059 --> 01:02:58.179
would give an amount and I'd say, I get 80% more.
1403
01:02:58.460 --> 01:03:00.659
I've been around a lot longer. I think I have
1404
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.750
even better skin than her. It glows more. What?
1405
01:03:03.849 --> 01:03:05.630
No, but you don't.
1406
01:03:06.170 --> 01:03:07.030
Are you at all worried?
1407
01:03:07.050 --> 01:03:07.889
You don't have better skin?
1408
01:03:07.909 --> 01:03:08.889
Don't yuck my yum.
1409
01:03:10.070 --> 01:03:11.210
Are you worried at all?
1410
01:03:11.250 --> 01:03:12.349
You're not using it right.
1411
01:03:12.469 --> 01:03:15.150
You know, Lazenby followed Connery for Bond.
1412
01:03:15.349 --> 01:03:16.289
Yeah.
1413
01:03:16.510 --> 01:03:18.699
Lazenby was great. Lazenby did a good job.
1414
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:19.159
He did.
1415
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.000
A lot of people, when you say James Bond, they
1416
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.179
think Lazenby. Oh, boy. They don't think. No, he's one
1417
01:03:24.219 --> 01:03:26.159
of the best Bonds. And he's one of the Bonds
1418
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.239
people think about the most, even though he only did
1419
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:29.960
for Her Majesty's Secret Service.
1420
01:03:29.980 --> 01:03:31.539
Or on Her Majesty's Secret Service.
1421
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.750
Okay. But wouldn't it be like going from Sean Connery
1422
01:03:35.869 --> 01:03:36.309
to like.
1423
01:03:36.530 --> 01:03:38.789
That's what he just said. No, but I'm saying- Are
1424
01:03:38.809 --> 01:03:40.969
you high right now? Are you high?
1425
01:03:41.010 --> 01:03:42.840
I see what you mean, like Sean Connery to like
1426
01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:43.360
Mickey Rooney.
1427
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.559
Yes, thank you. Well, no, I was thinking someone even, yeah,
1428
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:48.599
like older.
1429
01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:50.940
Oh, older than Sean Connery.
1430
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.500
Mickey Rooney was long dead.
1431
01:03:52.889 --> 01:03:53.119
Yeah.
1432
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.210
And was old before he died.
1433
01:03:55.250 --> 01:03:55.869
Yeah.
1434
01:03:55.889 --> 01:03:56.409
Really old.
1435
01:03:56.869 --> 01:04:00.010
Yeah, but like, you know, like, I don't know, Abraham Lincoln.
1436
01:04:00.389 --> 01:04:07.110
We're like- Have you seen Lincoln's skin? Very dry. Look
1437
01:04:07.130 --> 01:04:09.880
at those Brady portraits. It's got very dry skin.
1438
01:04:09.889 --> 01:04:13.300
I just think there's so many young people that go
1439
01:04:13.340 --> 01:04:15.719
that know Hailey Bieber. I'm not saying young people don't
1440
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:17.679
know you because I know young people know you.
1441
01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:20.179
Oh, they know Conan O'Brien and they have to deal
1442
01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:22.559
with Conan O'Brien. They have to accept him as a reality.
1443
01:04:22.579 --> 01:04:25.199
I don't even know what I'm saying now. I know,
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but why?
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Why do they have to deal with you?
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I'm like gravity. You got to deal with me sooner
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or later.
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01:04:29.789 --> 01:04:30.989
I'm gravity.
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I will get you sooner or later. There's no escaping
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this Conan O'Brien.
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Oh, my God.
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01:04:38.389 --> 01:04:39.829
He's not even my generation.
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What if this actually does turn into Erewhon coming back
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and saying, let's do this?
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Great.
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I know.
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Also, when I said great, I meant great for Erewhon.
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Great for them. Great for anyone who likes a good
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smoothie and wants to see it succeed. Because I bet
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01:04:55.329 --> 01:04:57.380
there are a lot of people like me who need
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a celebrity endorsement to really trust a product.
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Let me ask you this.
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Okay.
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Let's say they come back to you and they're like,
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we want to change it to Conan O'Brien, the Conan
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O'Brien smoothie. We feel we need to lower the price
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a little.
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We need to.
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Reduce the price by about 90%.
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You having a good laugh over there?
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I removed most of the good ingredients.
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How you doing over there, Chuckles?
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It's just crushed ice and some unpasteurized milk.
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01:05:26.659 --> 01:05:31.659
With sprinkles? With a swirl of asbestos. We got real
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1950s asbestos and swirled it in. Listen, I accept the
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realities of the marketplace.
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Cheetos dust.
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I am a capitalist and I believe in the, I
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live and die by the capitalist system. So I accept
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the realities of the marketplace. Am I as attractive as
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01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:51.199
Haley Bieber? No, I am not. Am I as vital?
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01:05:52.139 --> 01:05:54.940
Am I as much a hero to the young people?
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01:05:55.300 --> 01:05:57.179
I get it. I'm not. So yes, it'd be a
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price reduction. Yes, they would probably have to discontinue some
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01:06:00.230 --> 01:06:02.630
of the really good stuff that's in there and replace
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01:06:02.670 --> 01:06:05.079
it with, I'll just say, Older stuff?
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01:06:07.099 --> 01:06:09.039
Same ingredients, but they're like weeks old.
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01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:12.239
No, not weeks old. What if we change the name?
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01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:18.090
All the ingredients have to be from the Kennedy administration.
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01:06:19.510 --> 01:06:22.969
Milk that's still left over from the Kennedy administration.
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01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:25.409
Wouldn't you change the name of it, though, instead of
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01:06:25.449 --> 01:06:28.070
just being the Conan O'Brien smoothie? Wouldn't it be something
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01:06:28.110 --> 01:06:29.280
a little bit more fun?
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01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:31.320
Like the, I don't know. What do you mean?
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01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:32.400
He needs that name recognition.
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01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:34.429
I need the name. Okay. People want the name.
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01:06:34.469 --> 01:06:36.469
Maybe you could have a descriptor in the name of
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01:06:37.110 --> 01:06:37.750
who you are.
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01:06:37.769 --> 01:06:37.849
Okay.
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01:06:38.579 --> 01:06:41.739
And then they like in parentheses, he hosted a show
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for a long time.
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01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.039
Your parents would know who he is or something like,
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01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:46.000
I don't know.
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01:06:46.019 --> 01:06:50.530
This is a bummer. Ask your parents. Ask your parents. No, Sona.
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01:06:50.829 --> 01:06:52.130
This is not what we're doing.
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01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:54.690
Ground up K rations with the metal tin included.
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01:06:54.710 --> 01:06:54.969
Yeah.
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01:06:55.349 --> 01:07:00.969
Yeah. We took Korean War rations. Put them in a blender.
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01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:08.599
We found some government issue peanut butter from 1963.
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01:07:08.579 --> 01:07:14.469
And some Lucky Strike cigarettes.
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01:07:14.489 --> 01:07:19.550
Listen, I get it. Yes, you are right. There have
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to be some adjustments to the product. I understand that.
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01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.010
These Erewhon people aren't dumb. They'll do the right thing.
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01:07:25.030 --> 01:07:29.389
And I get it. I have some humility, but I
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01:07:29.510 --> 01:07:33.250
will replace Hailey Beaver and it will be the Conan
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01:07:33.289 --> 01:07:36.070
O'Brien smoothie. I'm going to make this happen.
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01:07:36.090 --> 01:07:37.170
To be continued. I hope so.
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01:07:37.389 --> 01:07:37.590
Yeah.
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01:07:38.050 --> 01:07:38.369
All right.
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01:07:38.469 --> 01:07:41.530
If the ball's in your court, Erewhon, if that's even
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01:07:41.550 --> 01:07:42.889
a real name.
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01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.219
Conan O'Brien needs a friend. With Conan O'Brien, Sonam Ovsessian,
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