Issue One: The midterms: what happens, and what happens after?

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Welcome to another episode of Checkpoint California. My name is
Sean Forbes. I'm the Chair of the
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California National Party. I'm joined with a few friends who have
been on the show before,
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and we're going to be doing a little McLaughlin Group kind of
style group chat
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about certain issues that are coming up, especially with the
midterms happening
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from the time of this recording next week, next Tuesday.
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So I will start with Charles. Please introduce yourself.
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Hi, everyone. I am Charles McGuinness, and I'm happy
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to be here because this is going to be a fun topic.
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And then, Maya?
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Hi, my name is Maya Ram. I am NorCal chapter secretary
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for California National Party.
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And then, of course, the mystery, the last version of everyone
here:
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Hal.
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Yes. Please introduce yourself.
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All right. I'm Hal Lohr from KPFK
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90.7 FM, Los Angeles. I'm the producer of Working Voices
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and basically the head guy at Red
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Star Report.
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All right. Thank you, everyone. So like I said, next Tuesday is
the
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midterms. This is going to be the big showdown between the
Democrats
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and the MAGA people. Issue one, if we're going to go McLaughlin
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Group style: the midterms, what happens and what happens after?
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And we'll go through this kind of quickly, and I don't know how
to do this without being super awkward, but
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we'll just try to make it happen. Starting with you, Charles.
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Midterms, what happens and what happens after?
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Do you want the long version or the short version?
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Long enough to get your point across, but not too long that we
just kind of
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block out the episode from everyone else. So don't take up forty
minutes.
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All right, I'll be brief. What happens? Trump will do all sorts
of
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things up to, through, and after the election to
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cast sand into the gears of the election machinery, if you will,
and
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to dispute the results. If the expected Democratic
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victory happens, he will claim it was all due to fraud and that
the
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Republicans really won. And then he
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will push that subject endlessly right up until the point where
he decides it's time
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to bomb Iran and take the attention away from the elections.
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Somewhere around Thanksgiving, this is my guess, Mike Johnson
will
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sack the Clerk of the House and the Sergeant at Arms, which is
his right
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to do, and replace them with deep Trump loyalists.
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Through December, the states will be certifying their elections
and transmitting the results of
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the elections to the Clerk of the House in the case of Congress.
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Normally, the Clerk of the House would take all those things, put
them together, and announce the roster
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of the upcoming Congress. However, because Mike Johnson has
replaced them with
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hacks, the clerk will omit enough
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Democratic names, claiming that there is fraud or at least
suspicion of
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fraud, to keep them out and come up with some excuse for why
that's the right thing to
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do, so that when the new Congress assembles at noon on
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January third, the Republicans will still have a majority, and
they will be able
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to reelect Mike Johnson as their Speaker and devise rules
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to keep the Democrats from overtaking power. That's my summary.
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Zero to ten, how much do you think the Democrats are going to win
the elections for the midterm?
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Zero being no possibility, ten being a metaphysical certainty, if
we're going
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to go by McLaughlin Group rules.
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Oh yeah, it's a nine. I
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mean, the only thing that keeps it from being metaphysical
certainty is
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if Elon Musk has actually somehow managed to bollocks up the
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mechanisms of the vote sufficiently that it
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deprives them of the majority that are there.
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And from zero to ten, what do you think—will this change
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anything? What will happen with government? Will there be any
kind of
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investigations going after Epstein stuff, pushing back against
Trump?
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Again, let's just say Democrats have won. Let's say that even
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Mike Johnson and company can't really block them from actually
sitting in Congress. What
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do you think that would
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change? Zero to ten—zero being nothing's going to happen, we're
going to
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be in the same BS soup forever; ten being that we could see
impeachment.
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Well, when it comes to these things, I am a Bayesian,
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as they might say in math, which is that I look at the priors.
And I guess
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the question is, how much did the four years of the Biden
administration
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stop things and prosecute things? Not a whole lot. So
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I am at five on your scale, right at metaphysical
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uncertainty, complete and total.
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All right. Thank you so much. Maya, same question. Again, we have
the midterms coming
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up. What happens and what happens after? You can
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concur, disagree, third option,
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player's choice, whatever you think.
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Well, I guess it should be divided into before, during, and
after.
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Before, we know that this current federal government, the
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Trump regime, is trying to call people non-citizens
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and say that they're not eligible to vote, so they're trying to
get ballots disqualified.
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Twenty thousand
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is the last figure I heard. So they're definitely trying that. If
they are doing that in
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California, I'm pretty sure that they are doing this in all fifty
states, and that
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there will be some local precincts that will take out
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voters from voter registries based on the U.S. federal
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government's phony list, which I'm pretty sure does include U.S.
citizens.
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I wouldn't be surprised if my ballot was flagged. I'm not
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white. My name is Maya Ram. It's very, very not white. I'm
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pretty sure my ballot was flagged. I'm pretty sure even my dad
had his ballot
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flagged. He's a naturalized U.S. citizen. So that's what's
happening
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now. We will not see the full effects until during and after the
election, when
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we see if the Trump regime's shenanigans affected the vote
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count. I believe there will be some precincts that will bend the
knee to the Trump regime,
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and I believe not necessarily in California, but the rest of the
country
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certainly, and especially in key swing states. I will say that
the
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Democrats will win, but it's not going to be as big of a wave as
anticipated,
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and the Democrats are just going to give up and say that's how it
goes. It's not as we
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anticipated. They will not even bother to raise red
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flags or ask for further investigations, especially
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in the face of reports of irregularities, which there will be.
It'll mostly come
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from local and independent journalists that will find all this
stuff out.
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And the only place that people like us will be able to see all
that information is practically
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Bluesky. It's not going to be on Instagram, it's not going to be
on Facebook, it's not going to be on TikTok
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because they're all heavily suppressed. Now, I guess what will
happen after
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is if, of course, voter numbers are just too hard
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to ignore and the Democrats do win the House and possibly the
Senate,
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it's then that we'll see the shenanigans that Charles mentioned.
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I didn't even think about the possibility of the clerk being
fired
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and then replaced by a deep loyalist to Trump and to MAGA.
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That's certainly plausible. I wondered, though, if
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there will be enough anger and rage from Democratic
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voters and other anti-Trump voters, or anyone that's just
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against Trump, that we might see a reverse Jan. 6, except this
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year—twenty-seven—it'll fall on Jan. 3. I wonder if we
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might see some of that if indeed Mike Johnson sacks the clerk
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and refuses to seat Democrats that won their elections fair and
square.
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I think there's a high chance of that if there are people that
are angry
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enough. I don't think it will be as successful because it won't
be as planned out. It'll just
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be an explosion of rage. Maybe akin to what we saw
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after George Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis. That's my
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take on it.
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Okay. So zero to ten, what do you think about Democrats actually
winning the election, and
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then zero to ten, anything actually changing afterwards? I mean,
I kind of think that already we got
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the idea, but just if you had to put a round number on it to kind
of sum up your statement.
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For both those questions, I would say a five. It's all going to
come down to the
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will of individual Democrats to want to impeach
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Donald Trump or to pass certain legislation.
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They want to curtail DHS; they want to curtail ICE. Individual
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Democrat politicians may feel that way, but they'll be stymied by
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their leadership. So nothing will change.
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So, okay. So there's still pretty much a chance again that the
Democrats will actually not win
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the election. And from what I understand, there's still a fifty-
fifty on that. And then also when it
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comes to anything actually happening, it's a toss-up again,
right? Just
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pretty much where you have no idea.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Okay, great. Thank you, Maya. Hal, all right. So same question
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comes to issue one again. Midterms, what happens? What happens
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after?
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Well, first, let me point out that isn't it adorable that they
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actually think to give us the opportunity to try to pretend like
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we can actually affect change here.
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If you wanna know what I think is gonna happen here, it's
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really a very big nothing. We already know that
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both sides—from where we're getting our information, it's like,
whether it's Republicans
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or Democrats, both sides of the mainstream
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media—both sides are overestimating how they're going to perform
already. We've
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got Steve Kornacki on MSNBC, basically
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already at the board, explaining how
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we may not take as many seats as we thought. Right?
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So he's already preparing Democrats for a possible
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lesser victory than they were hoping for. So
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what's gonna happen on that night? Are ballots gonna be
suppressed? I'm pretty sure
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that's absolutely gonna happen. There's gonna be a
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whole lot of rigging and messing
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around and ballot stealing, and accusations are going to
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fly, and nothing. Nothing. Well,
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we've seen it already. Nothing happens. It's like we've seen
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how the Democrats in Congress respond to whatever Trump
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says. It's like they're very indignant, they're very angry, and
then
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they're very nothing. And they do nothing about it. What
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it's going to affect, we already know what's going to happen too.
If the
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Republican pundits are right and the Republicans hold on to the
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Senate and maybe hold—we have it sort of jump ball
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in the House. Basically, nothing's going to happen
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there either. They're already in control. The
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chances of flipping the Senate aren't, from everything I've seen,
aren't as
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big as we were led to believe initially, and
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now it's less. I mean, if the Senate flips, it's going to be like
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one seat, which I saw something perfect that says, yeah,
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one seat's going to flip and then it's going to be basically a
tie, and
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Vance is going to then step in and break that tie, and it's going
to
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always go for Trump and game over there too.
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Also, none of this changes the fact that the United States
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isn't actually being run by Congress right now. Donald
Trump—isn't he basically
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ruling through executive order? So whether you have a
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majority or not, does that really affect
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the way the country is actually being run at the moment? So
election
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night is going to be—it's going to be sort of one of those
typical of the last
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two election cycles where basically
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you're going to get a winner, one side or the other, but it's not
going to be
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overwhelming. And we already know what's happened in the
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last—basically in the entire twenty-first century. The needle
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will not move. The Democrats, if they get into power, you'll
start
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hearing that word again: bipartisan. We're going to reach across
the aisle,
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bipartisan. They're not going to prosecute. They'll impeach, but
they won't
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arrest. So I'm not sure. I'm hearing
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all of this and I keep hearing it from multiple sources, like,
oh, well, once we
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win the election, it's like, once you win the election, what are
you going to do? All the
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players are still the same. All the money is still the same. You
want to know what the
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election is? It's really simple. It's like we're going to
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change the puppets, not the ventriloquists.
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And that's where we're at.
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Zero to ten: Democrats winning the election, what do you think
it's actually going to be?
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I would say the symbol for boron.
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All right, I don't get the reference, but I assume it's
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relevant.
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I believe it's irrelevant. Okay.
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You're too smart for me, pal. The next one: possibility of
anything actually changing after the
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elections, which I—again, anyone can infer, but I would just say
if you want
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to put a rough number, just so someone can go, like, that's what
he thought in two seconds.
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Negative number? Well, the paths that we're on now are the paths
we're
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on. Basically, the flyover states, the red states, what have you,
are still marching
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down the same road. They're still marching down the same road to
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crypto-fascism. I can't actually—that's not true. They're there.
It's done.
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That's a done deal. It's like it's a crypto-fascist nation.
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So the Democrats win, it's like, okay, so we have a
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slightly more polite Christofascist nation, something
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gonna happen. Yeah, well, that's a change that isn't a change.
And for the
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people of California, like I said before, you're voting to change
the puppets;
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the ventriloquists will stay the same. The only thing that will
actually
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work is to get Californians to leave the theater.
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Well, that's a good ending note. So my take when it comes to
this—again, issue
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one, the midterms, what happens, what happens after. I think that
the
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Democrats will probably eke out just a
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tiny plurality in the House. Same thing in the
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Senate. I think, however, that the alarm bells
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in that bunker ballroom in Washington, D.C. that's being
constructed are already kind of going
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off, because Bolsonaro's child
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fled the country today, right? Left Brazil because he's going to
be under
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investigation. Looks like Netanyahu is probably going to go down
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in the Israel elections. He's already claiming fraud himself,
because, again, that's a go-to for
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every far-right asshole. So it looks like, again, the
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anti-Netanyahu bloc is about fifty-three seats. Netanyahu's
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bloc is like fifty, which is really getting extremely close.
However, the
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kingmaker in this is the Arab parties in Israel, right? So we're
talking about seventeen
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to nineteen potential seats for the Arab parties, which is like
one of their biggest
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turnouts. And actually Israel has hit the biggest turnout, I
think, ever in their history
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since their quote-unquote independence. So, that all being said,
I think that
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the king rat in D.C., in the White House, has to be panicking
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just a bit. And I think that once
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he sees the Democrats are coming in, they've actually got a
little bit of
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teeth behind them. His kids are connected with Pentagon contracts
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that are really dubious—all these dirty dealings and billions of
dollars
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and this kind of far-right network. Also, the U.S. and Israel are
kind of connected
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to the effort to oust Lula in Brazil,
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because they were successful in ousting pretty much everyone in
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South America that wasn't Brazil. South America has been taken
over by the far right.
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And all these countries are connected in some way to U.S. and
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Israel concerns. So this massive right-wing conspiracy,
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to quote Hillary Clinton, it is here. And they're seeing
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setbacks, and they're seeing some real ones that could damage
their whole long-term
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project. I think that seeing the Bolsonaro
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thing didn't work, Netanyahu's going down, Serbia fell apart
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with the right wing persecuting Alicante by their students, of
all things.
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Also, what is happening in Albania still—the quote-unquote
Flamingo Revolution
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is here as well. These are all going to be
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impacting his mind and the minds of his
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ventriloquists, to use the house term here. The puppet masters
are seeing
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this, and I think it has to be setting up pretty much air raid
sirens in their heads
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that this is coming home. Now, granted, even in those countries,
what's
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gonna change? In Israel, I don't know what the hell would change
there. Brazil will probably be
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stuck because their Congress is pretty much
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the far right, Lula is far left—or not far left, but he's a
leftist.
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So they're gonna be battling with each other. So things are not
changing in those countries, even
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though, quote-unquote, they've been defeating fascism there. I
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think in the end, however, that the paranoia and the fear
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that something could possibly happen here, where there's an
ousting of some kind
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or some kind of payback—I think that Trump
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will invoke, or will have Mike Johnson push through, something
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really desperate, like the clerk being fired and then not
allowing
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people to actually take their seats. And that's going to cause a
constitutional
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crisis. And Democrats will not know how to
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function with this, because that means they actually have to do
something besides having quarterly
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protests. So they'll be at a loss. Don't see
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much movement there. I think that will be kind of up to state
governments at this point to
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make a decision about what to do. That's going to be increasingly
frightening.
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I don't think it's again Civil War point, but again there will be
dysfunction and
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kind of collapse of coordination between the federal government
and the state governments.
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I think that in my mind, it's a ten: Democrats will
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win, but it will be a zero when it comes to
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anything happening afterwards. Unless we were to say that
happening afterwards
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means that we're gonna have a complete dislocation of the
constitutional system of
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the United States, then I would say that's a ten. Issue two. Now
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we've talked about the midterms. I don't think that anyone in
this room here has
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a good feeling about anything that's going on or the outcomes, et
cetera.
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Now everyone here is part of the California National Party, we're
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believers in CalExit. That being said, we do
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not
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want to be part of this dysfunction. We don't want to be part of
this entire system that is
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so gross and so obnoxious and so obviously corrupt and
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so obviously—again, I don't use the word easily—I would say
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evil at this point. So I want to bring up issue two. Issue two:
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California and Washington. Why should we end this bad marriage?
Now,
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there's multiple reasons, I think we all know. But if
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I had to ask you on the street and you had about a couple of
minutes,
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what's your pitch about why we should end all this crap? So,
going to Charles.
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All right, I'm going to start with a counterfactual. Imagine
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that we lived in a society where the elections were
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done in good faith, that the people running for office
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were presenting alternate plans for the ways they thought that
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they could improve society.
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If the elections happened, we expected everyone without
00:19:02.550 --> 00:19:06.185
doubt to honor the results, that the campaigns were not filled
with
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slander, lies, AI videos of Hillary Clinton doing things that her
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body is not capable of doing at this age, whatever it may be.
00:19:14.404 --> 00:19:17.585
And that once the elected officials
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took their place in Sacramento or wherever, that
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we really didn't worry about them that much. We just kind of
said, yep, they're doing their
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job. And if they're not doing the job, then we're going to let
them know that they're not doing their job.
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But we don't have to worry every day
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that the tariff on something that we all
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consume has simply gone to a hundred percent. That the world just
kind of operates
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smoothly and efficiently and optimally. That
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we're not seeing our friends and neighbors being kidnapped
00:19:51.083 --> 00:19:54.440
on the streets by armed government thugs and flown off to
00:19:54.946 --> 00:19:58.860
obscure-ish countries in Africa. That we all just kind of
00:19:58.909 --> 00:20:02.640
focused on living our best life and that it all worked well, that
we weren't worried
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about our health insurance, we weren't worried about our jobs
00:20:06.795 --> 00:20:10.660
so much, we weren't worried about housing. We just could really
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focus on enjoying our life, our families, the things that had
meaning to us.
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Think about that and what the lifting of the
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cognitive burden of a D.C. which is
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oscillating somewhere between a drama queen and a fascist
00:20:26.329 --> 00:20:30.260
dictatorship, is doing to all of us. It's ruining our
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lives, it's ruining our children's lives, it's ruining our
grandchildren's lives.
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Why should we say adios? Because we don't need the
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drama. That's why.
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That's great, Charles. Now, zero to ten: California actually
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going along with the idea of leaving—how much do you think that
would actually possibly happen? And
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again, zero is nothing, ten is metaphysical certainty. How do
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you think people in California will actually want to go about
leaving?
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I don't know. I really don't know the answer to that question.
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Zero to ten, how much do you think—what's to say—California does
go with it,
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does want to leave, the people have spoken in some way,
referendum,
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whatever—how much do you think that Washington would actually let
us go?
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Same answer, I'm afraid. I don't know. It really depends upon
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what's happening in D.C. The thing is, if they were
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being rational in D.C., they would realize that letting
California go
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would be really damaging to the viability of the remnant United
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States. But the reason that's a paradox is because if they were
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rational in D.C., we wouldn't be here.
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That's a good way to put it. Okay, Maya, you're up. Issue two,
California and
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Washington. Why should we end this bad marriage?
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Well, it would have been nice if we could have stopped
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the trajectory we were on by reversing some of those
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key changes that were made in the early twentieth
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century—changes with just keeping the number of congressional
representatives
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at four hundred and thirty-five and not growing it anymore,
because
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our population has grown since. I'd have to look up exactly what
it was
00:22:03.048 --> 00:22:06.777
back at the beginning of the twentieth century, but it's twenty-
six;
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the United States population is three hundred and thirty-eight
million last I looked.
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So it would have been nice if keeping the House at four hundred
thirty-five were
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reversed, but that would have required some radical change.
00:22:20.666 --> 00:22:24.306
FDR came close with his radical policies by trying to pack the
courts
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back in the nineteen thirties, but even he could not get as close
as
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that. So the reason for divorce just comes down
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to the United States, especially our federal government, no
00:22:36.421 --> 00:22:40.388
longer has the capability or the will to change or to
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reform anything. It no longer sees fit to uphold the rights of
the
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people as granted in the Constitution. It no longer has the right
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to govern based on that and what is
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in the Declaration of Independence, where they have imposed all
these
00:22:54.179 --> 00:22:58.055
conditions on the people that make it very difficult for us to
pursue life,
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liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's essentially why the
divorce should happen.
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If I were to just use two words, they would be irreconcilable
00:23:06.747 --> 00:23:10.529
differences. Those are the kind of words that you see in divorce
filings every day
00:23:10.887 --> 00:23:11.549
between people.
00:23:11.969 --> 00:23:15.689
Yeah, I would agree. Again, that's actually a good way to put it,
too. I like the term national divorce
00:23:15.963 --> 00:23:19.769
has been used constantly. I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene
talking that up?
00:23:20.329 --> 00:23:24.029
Our own Bill has talked it up as well—he's got his own little
channel on TikTok. Just a
00:23:24.183 --> 00:23:28.039
shout-out for that, National Divorce. That's a perfect way to put
it. It's irreconcilable
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differences. Maya, so we talk about California—zero to ten.
00:23:32.801 --> 00:23:36.680
What do you think the level of support is in California for
going?
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Right now, I would say it's, say, about three or four. Things
00:23:40.594 --> 00:23:44.449
are bad between the U.S. federal government and California, and
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.613
people do realize that, but the talk of independence
00:23:49.189 --> 00:23:52.813
or secession is still a line that people just do not want to
cross,
00:23:53.352 --> 00:23:57.226
because we've been taught ever since we were kids in school
00:23:57.385 --> 00:24:01.086
that secession is not allowed, and we fought a civil war over it.
00:24:01.611 --> 00:24:05.406
And some teachers might bring up the Texas v. White case in
eighteen
00:24:05.715 --> 00:24:09.469
sixty-nine, where the Supreme Court decided that states cannot
00:24:09.824 --> 00:24:13.389
unilaterally decide to secede. It has to be done with the consent
of
00:24:13.528 --> 00:24:17.517
states. Now, the people over time—maybe I'd say by
00:24:17.577 --> 00:24:21.493
twenty-eight, I think there'll be more sentiment among
00:24:21.557 --> 00:24:25.437
the public to explore the idea of independence from the federal
government because
00:24:25.682 --> 00:24:29.513
of all the ratfuckery that they're doing against us. But we're
not quite there
00:24:29.574 --> 00:24:33.510
yet. I accept that's how it is right now, but people
00:24:34.054 --> 00:24:37.613
in California do not want to cross that line to even explore
00:24:38.133 --> 00:24:41.785
actively wanting to pursue independence. But I think by twenty
00:24:42.056 --> 00:24:45.319
twenty-eight, I believe that balance will flip
00:24:45.919 --> 00:24:49.825
and more people will want to—will be open to the idea of at least
a referendum
00:24:50.923 --> 00:24:54.865
on whether we should pursue independence. A referendum similar to
what
00:24:54.926 --> 00:24:58.806
Quebec had years ago and what Alberta just had recently, where
00:24:58.846 --> 00:25:01.560
they absolutely rejected the idea of leaving Canada.
00:25:02.109 --> 00:25:06.030
But however, they just had the referendum, which is of interest,
I would say. The fact that they
00:25:06.082 --> 00:25:10.070
even had that allowed—even though I guess it was nonbinding, so I
don't really know what
00:25:10.145 --> 00:25:12.350
the point of the referendum was—but yes.
00:25:12.474 --> 00:25:16.473
It was totally astroturfed. They're all U.S. astroturfed groups.
So it was not even
00:25:16.655 --> 00:25:16.933
valid.
00:25:17.096 --> 00:25:21.019
Well, yeah, I think there's again—we could—that's a whole subject
for another day, but I think that they want to break up
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:25.062
Canada. Not in the sense of taking over all Canada; I think they
just want to steal Alberta and maybe
00:25:25.162 --> 00:25:29.153
one other province to get their resources. But that all being
said, when it
00:25:29.207 --> 00:25:33.193
comes to Washington, zero to ten, what do you think if we
actually got to the point—we did have
00:25:33.193 --> 00:25:37.153
a referendum, we did have something to go forward—zero being
Washington will never
00:25:37.295 --> 00:25:40.493
let us leave, ten Washington says bye-bye, God bless.
00:25:40.983 --> 00:25:44.003
I hate to put a number on such a thing because we have such
00:25:44.406 --> 00:25:48.207
irrational, crazy wackos in Washington, D.C.
00:25:48.253 --> 00:25:52.096
right now that it can go many ways. So I will put it at
00:25:52.716 --> 00:25:56.675
a three. Okay. Because there are Christian nationalists like Pete
00:25:56.891 --> 00:26:00.255
Hegseth that have this idea of holding a constitutional
00:26:00.854 --> 00:26:02.114
convention—I think that's what it's called.
00:26:02.114 --> 00:26:06.006
Convention of states, which is again a real—that is a secret
enemy people are
00:26:06.103 --> 00:26:07.185
not talking about enough, but yes.
00:26:07.968 --> 00:26:11.450
Where a plurality of states, I believe it's like thirty or
00:26:11.932 --> 00:26:15.687
so, thirty plus, can call for the Constitution to be
00:26:15.755 --> 00:26:19.397
rewritten, and this is where Christian nationalists can take this
opportunity
00:26:19.578 --> 00:26:23.301
to rewrite the Constitution to their liking, and
00:26:23.401 --> 00:26:27.075
states could end up splitting that way. That could possibly
happen because
00:26:27.499 --> 00:26:31.055
we have all these religious whack jobs in the federal government.
But
00:26:31.439 --> 00:26:35.187
otherwise, barring that, the federal government will basically
send
00:26:35.552 --> 00:26:39.427
a large part of their domestic U.S. forces that are stationed in
U.S. bases
00:26:39.896 --> 00:26:43.822
to California and treat us as an occupied territory. It'll be
like
00:26:43.822 --> 00:26:47.545
the Soviets putting down the Prague Spring. That's what it will
be akin to. That's what's gonna
00:26:47.565 --> 00:26:48.316
happen. Okay.
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.695
Interesting allusion. Hal, again, issue
00:26:53.507 --> 00:26:57.356
two: California and Washington. Why should we end this
00:26:57.464 --> 00:26:58.026
bad marriage?
00:26:58.298 --> 00:27:02.126
Well, you said it—it's a bad marriage. I will point
00:27:02.288 --> 00:27:06.006
out one of the things: we need to be careful about talking about
the
00:27:06.078 --> 00:27:08.926
national divorce thing, because the national divorce plan
00:27:10.026 --> 00:27:13.871
actually turns the states—if you've read that—it
00:27:13.871 --> 00:27:17.786
more likely turns the states into acting like individual
territories
00:27:18.017 --> 00:27:21.406
rather than states, where the U.S. government still maintains
00:27:21.561 --> 00:27:24.746
control and still maintains the tax base
00:27:25.846 --> 00:27:29.376
but throws everything back on the states. So basically
00:27:30.553 --> 00:27:34.486
the national divorce isn't actually a divorce. It's more of
00:27:34.486 --> 00:27:38.446
a we lose more power. It's sort of like the right-to-work state
thing
00:27:40.877 --> 00:27:41.498
on a national level.
00:27:41.498 --> 00:27:45.365
It's basically a euphemism where, again, this is Newspeak 1984
00:27:45.365 --> 00:27:45.576
crap.
00:27:46.066 --> 00:27:49.666
Precisely. As far as Washington's relationship with California,
00:27:50.517 --> 00:27:53.826
why we should leave, it's like—can we talk about the fact that we
have less
00:27:53.974 --> 00:27:57.386
representation now as Californians
00:27:58.199 --> 00:28:01.966
than the original British colonies had with King George?
00:28:04.139 --> 00:28:07.846
That's pretty much it. We have fifty-two congresspeople and two
00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:10.646
senators out of five hundred and thirty-four
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.884
people in Congress, and
00:28:15.940 --> 00:28:19.901
even though we make up fourteen percent of their economy, those
numbers don't jibe.
00:28:20.334 --> 00:28:23.342
We're constantly getting voted down. We're getting—I'm talking
about
00:28:24.389 --> 00:28:28.194
the United States rolling in to occupy—they already have. To
maybe
00:28:28.374 --> 00:28:32.345
a lesser degree, it's—other than the fact that it's not being
filmed in black and white,
00:28:32.421 --> 00:28:36.265
we're already pretty much looking at stormtroopers on our
streets.
00:28:37.301 --> 00:28:41.167
Why should California leave? Being part of the United States has
never been a good
00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:45.067
deal. It's never been good for California. There was no time
00:28:45.616 --> 00:28:49.587
in California history where being part of the United States was
actually
00:28:49.587 --> 00:28:53.217
a good deal for the people of California. It was a great deal for
the U.S.
00:28:53.508 --> 00:28:56.547
They got to exploit our resources, our gold, silver,
00:28:56.932 --> 00:29:00.817
forestry. Basically got to own us. They got all the privilege of
owning us
00:29:00.942 --> 00:29:04.516
and we got nothing for it. Today it's basically no different.
00:29:04.838 --> 00:29:08.038
We would be vastly better off. It's demonstrable
00:29:09.099 --> 00:29:12.698
without having to deal with the United States
00:29:13.194 --> 00:29:16.438
in our pocket. We're the fourth largest economy on the planet.
00:29:17.223 --> 00:29:20.878
We would probably be the second, maybe first, within a few
00:29:21.270 --> 00:29:24.878
generations without the albatross of the United
00:29:25.135 --> 00:29:28.518
States around our necks. So
00:29:29.800 --> 00:29:33.428
it's—I would flip the question almost. It's like—and I
00:29:33.783 --> 00:29:37.148
do all the time. I challenge everybody:
00:29:37.512 --> 00:29:40.808
name one, just one
00:29:41.518 --> 00:29:45.408
single solitary benefit Californians
00:29:45.625 --> 00:29:49.538
get from being Americans. One single
00:29:50.062 --> 00:29:54.038
solitary thing. Name one thing that we
00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:58.168
don't provide already that the United States provides for us. We
pay
00:29:58.229 --> 00:30:02.168
for everything and we get very little back. No universal health
care, we
00:30:02.253 --> 00:30:05.618
don't get—it's a retirement that doesn't keep up with the cost of
living,
00:30:06.648 --> 00:30:10.478
it's like our housing is out of control, they can't even—I mean,
the United States is supposed to
00:30:10.553 --> 00:30:14.498
be an oil company with an army, according to George Carlin, and
we can't even control
00:30:14.577 --> 00:30:16.518
the price of gas. So,
00:30:18.191 --> 00:30:21.318
what level do you want to talk about? What level do you want to
talk about on this? It's like it's
00:30:22.406 --> 00:30:26.218
being in a bad marriage, it's like people are talking about, oh,
we can fix the United
00:30:26.410 --> 00:30:30.088
States. It's like, yeah, it's bowling alley waitress kind of
mentality. It's like, well, he's a
00:30:30.124 --> 00:30:32.958
bastard and he hits me, but you know, he's good down inside.
00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:37.919
No. No. Time to go, babe. If it's time for a divorce, you're
always
00:30:38.177 --> 00:30:38.759
better afterwards.
00:30:40.265 --> 00:30:40.879
Never worse.
00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:45.709
Very true again. So, California—what do you think the feeling is
right now? Zero to
00:30:46.335 --> 00:30:50.119
ten—zero, no way we could ever go; ten, do you think that people
would be with us in two
00:30:50.238 --> 00:30:50.499
seconds?
00:30:52.392 --> 00:30:56.329
I agree with Maya. It's a three. It's basically a three. It's
about three out
00:30:56.329 --> 00:31:00.233
of ten. And if you look at the demographics, it's younger people.
The same
00:31:00.334 --> 00:31:04.189
younger people who are basically ready to embrace things like
socialism and so forth, who've
00:31:04.395 --> 00:31:08.169
looked at the United States and realized—and it's like, oh great,
the American dream. I can't afford a
00:31:08.209 --> 00:31:11.809
house. I don't know if I'll be able to afford food. I'm living
under my
00:31:11.893 --> 00:31:15.659
parents' roof. I can't afford to drive a car. They're going to
take away my
00:31:15.837 --> 00:31:19.809
e-bike. As time goes by, it's like three out of ten right now.
It's like if you look
00:31:19.809 --> 00:31:23.506
at the internet, it's like it always comes up when someone's
talking about Trump or gas
00:31:23.566 --> 00:31:27.543
prices or what have you. Somebody always interjects eventually:
we should just
00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:31.383
leave. California should just leave. It's like that sentiment is
00:31:31.515 --> 00:31:35.043
growing. Latest polls put us somewhere around four out of
00:31:35.201 --> 00:31:38.899
ten Californians. To put that in perspective, though, for just a
00:31:38.959 --> 00:31:42.593
moment, you have to realize that only
00:31:42.971 --> 00:31:46.833
two out of ten Californians are registered Republicans.
00:31:48.384 --> 00:31:52.183
Only like four out of ten Californians are registered
00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.363
Democrats. So when you say three out of ten Californians
00:31:56.825 --> 00:32:00.513
would possibly support independence? That's actually a
00:32:00.659 --> 00:32:04.584
pretty big number. Only about three out of ten of
00:32:04.645 --> 00:32:08.623
those British colonists actually supported independence
00:32:09.620 --> 00:32:13.503
at the—you know—in seventeen seventy-six. It's always been the
case. The numbers always go
00:32:13.626 --> 00:32:15.203
the same way and we see them today.
00:32:16.069 --> 00:32:19.583
Yeah, there was a classic equation, right? It's like one-third is
revolutionaries, one-third is
00:32:19.674 --> 00:32:21.943
loyalists, one-third does not want to get involved.
00:32:22.257 --> 00:32:26.083
Right. One-third's in, one-third's out, and one-third doesn't
care.
00:32:26.384 --> 00:32:29.883
So, you know, the numbers you're playing with—if you're three out
of ten,
00:32:30.434 --> 00:32:33.803
if you can get it to the point where it's like three point five
out of ten,
00:32:34.386 --> 00:32:35.803
you're kind of on your way.
00:32:36.663 --> 00:32:40.517
That's very true. Yeah, well, that's also the classic equation,
too, that what, three point
00:32:40.558 --> 00:32:44.493
five percent of the population has a protest and you actually
will see upheaval in revolution,
00:32:44.833 --> 00:32:48.413
I guess. I forget exactly where that came from, but that's always
been a term that's kind of
00:32:48.986 --> 00:32:52.733
bandied about. When it comes to Washington, zero
00:32:52.951 --> 00:32:56.945
to ten, zero means that again, Washington will never
00:32:56.985 --> 00:33:00.923
let us go; ten meaning that, oh, they'll throw us flowers and
kisses on the
00:33:00.989 --> 00:33:04.803
cheek as we leave the Union. How do you think that's going to be?
What's your rating on
00:33:04.873 --> 00:33:05.043
that?
00:33:05.814 --> 00:33:08.923
Well, it's—again, back to the American Revolution, it's the same
story.
00:33:09.697 --> 00:33:12.723
King George the Third never recognized
00:33:13.841 --> 00:33:17.823
that the United States had left. He never recognized that. The
United States
00:33:17.935 --> 00:33:21.493
government is never going to recognize that California is
leaving.
00:33:22.038 --> 00:33:25.893
The U.S. government's—the same U.S. government that was based
around the paperwork that
00:33:26.022 --> 00:33:26.483
basically
00:33:28.976 --> 00:33:32.933
says California can't leave. It's like, we fought a civil war
over this. Yeah, I've heard that one before.
00:33:33.421 --> 00:33:37.373
It's like, guys, the same country that fought that civil war over
00:33:37.486 --> 00:33:41.333
it also fought a revolution where it was technically illegal
00:33:41.971 --> 00:33:45.873
to basically become an independent country,
00:33:46.879 --> 00:33:50.604
moving away from Great Britain at the time. King George and
Parliament
00:33:50.702 --> 00:33:54.453
figured that was illegal. All those Minutemen were traitors.
00:33:55.634 --> 00:33:59.293
It's like, okay, so all us California rebels, yeah, we're all
traitors too.
00:34:00.122 --> 00:34:03.897
Not to California. The federal government will work hard to
00:34:04.436 --> 00:34:07.297
keep us. Will they roll in the troops?
00:34:08.284 --> 00:34:12.007
Oh, absolutely. They already have. They're already here. They're
already threatening our
00:34:12.070 --> 00:34:15.997
elections. They're already threatening our immigrant populations
and basically
00:34:16.432 --> 00:34:18.137
everybody whose skin isn't white.
00:34:18.867 --> 00:34:22.817
I guess it's like—almost like, again, what is the equation again?
Like, is it really just
00:34:22.901 --> 00:34:26.517
some light oppression versus full-blown civil war? I guess that's
00:34:26.644 --> 00:34:29.187
also another way. What's zero to ten on that one?
00:34:29.537 --> 00:34:32.579
Well, see, I don't know about that. As you see, that civil war
thing is illegal under U.S.
00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:34.247
law. Yeah, we don't—
00:34:34.321 --> 00:34:35.487
Talk any legal things there, no.
00:34:36.262 --> 00:34:40.244
But the U.S. government coming to occupy California—I would
00:34:40.284 --> 00:34:40.424
put it
00:34:40.424 --> 00:34:44.344
in an eight out of ten. Okay. Only for the reason it's going
00:34:44.344 --> 00:34:46.604
to be the answer to your next question, basically.
00:34:48.493 --> 00:34:52.384
Well, we'll save that for the next issue. But so my quick take
here
00:34:52.518 --> 00:34:56.514
is that when it comes to issue number two—California and
Washington, why should we end this
00:34:56.643 --> 00:35:00.631
bad marriage?—I, again, everyone has said pretty much more or
00:35:00.656 --> 00:35:04.560
less what I thought. I can't really dispute anything. I don't
want to take up time by
00:35:04.674 --> 00:35:08.510
just repeating certain items. The only thing I would say is that,
00:35:08.835 --> 00:35:12.780
to me, California leaving the United States and getting away
00:35:12.903 --> 00:35:16.766
from Washington, D.C. is a chance to have a blank slate. We can
00:35:17.066 --> 00:35:20.640
start over. We can get out of the Democratic-Republican system.
00:35:21.330 --> 00:35:25.040
We can clear house with, again, this crap about corporations
always controlling
00:35:25.413 --> 00:35:29.376
our politics. We can clear out just the incompetency of so much
of our
00:35:29.416 --> 00:35:33.020
bureaucracy, so much of our money just getting wasted to the
Department of Defense. I don't believe
00:35:33.439 --> 00:35:37.333
that the Department of Defense really is worth a damn, as seen by
00:35:37.473 --> 00:35:41.210
this Iran adventure we just went through—still going through.
Because
00:35:42.120 --> 00:35:45.805
you got one trillion versus a country that's been buckling under
sanctions for years,
00:35:46.095 --> 00:35:49.925
has never really recovered from the Iran-Iraq War, already has
kind
00:35:49.925 --> 00:35:53.665
of a near insurgency, with half the population does not want to
support
00:35:54.286 --> 00:35:58.279
their regime. This should have been just a walkover, and that one
trillion
00:35:58.339 --> 00:36:02.338
didn't do anything. And I think that's all waste, that's all
graft, that's all crap. This
00:36:02.481 --> 00:36:06.282
is all golden toilets and handouts of contracts to nepo
00:36:06.342 --> 00:36:09.678
babies like the Trump kids. So there's
00:36:09.764 --> 00:36:13.538
corruption, there's incompetency, there's a lack of vision, and I
don't think
00:36:13.685 --> 00:36:17.378
California deserves that. And I would just say that the rest of
the United States
00:36:17.547 --> 00:36:21.469
doesn't deserve that either, but I just don't see any kind of
mood or
00:36:21.589 --> 00:36:25.558
spirit to try to progressively get away from the nonsense and
00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:28.488
actually go towards a better horizon. I think
00:36:29.264 --> 00:36:33.255
that—really, J.D. Vance said that you need more time to turn
around the Titanic, which
00:36:33.321 --> 00:36:36.165
was such a butchered response to what he was asked, because
00:36:37.242 --> 00:36:41.145
the Titanic could never turn around after it got hit. I don't
know what he's trying to
00:36:41.644 --> 00:36:45.615
say—or, but I guess he was just trying to say that the United
States was a Titanic, which I believe is
00:36:45.716 --> 00:36:49.539
true. I believe it has hit the iceberg. I just think that we
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.755
need to get on this lifeboat called California and get away and
start
00:36:54.183 --> 00:36:57.325
fresh somewhere else. Or maybe just be like the
00:36:57.926 --> 00:37:01.675
mutineers on the Bounty and just take off on our ship and go to
another
00:37:01.940 --> 00:37:05.185
island and just forget that there was ever a thing called the
Royal Navy or England.
00:37:05.983 --> 00:37:09.685
We just need to have a brand new start. We just have too many
things built up over the years.
00:37:10.406 --> 00:37:14.305
There is just a cement of corruption that is just on top of us,
00:37:14.767 --> 00:37:18.489
kind of pushes down to the muck, and I think that we just need to
go
00:37:18.709 --> 00:37:22.575
and start fresh. And we can't do that in the United States
system. You cannot elect
00:37:22.831 --> 00:37:26.592
better people to get out of this. You're not going to have AOC
and the
00:37:26.672 --> 00:37:30.025
DSA take over Congress and things will be fixed. You're going to
talk about
00:37:30.574 --> 00:37:33.305
another fifty years of nonsense. Bernie Sanders has been in the
fight
00:37:33.305 --> 00:37:37.135
since the civil rights movement and he's still arguing
00:37:37.277 --> 00:37:41.175
about health care now. And that was what, nineteen sixty-five,
sixty-six,
00:37:41.500 --> 00:37:45.055
basically. So no, we just need to have a real—this direct,
00:37:45.284 --> 00:37:49.147
cut the line, get away from the main ship, and
00:37:49.387 --> 00:37:53.315
go towards another better horizon. Do I think Californians are on
board with this on a
00:37:53.704 --> 00:37:57.615
zero-to-ten scale? I would say maybe it's more optimistic, but I
think it's a four
00:37:57.615 --> 00:38:01.308
out of ten based on what Hal was talking about. The California
00:38:01.659 --> 00:38:05.388
Institute did have that study where they had a poll, which Hal
00:38:05.572 --> 00:38:09.288
cited, which is like forty-four percent of Californians were
ready to vote for independence.
00:38:09.808 --> 00:38:12.348
I think that it probably would be even a little bit higher. I
mean,
00:38:13.908 --> 00:38:17.268
I think it might be a little bit too crazy to say five out of
ten,
00:38:17.991 --> 00:38:21.854
but I think we could have hit that point of breakeven just
because of the
00:38:21.914 --> 00:38:25.838
Trump nonsense and the ICE raids and the war and
00:38:25.968 --> 00:38:29.911
the prices and everything like that. It could actually be around
a four point nine out of
00:38:29.971 --> 00:38:33.745
ten. And I think that depending on the midterm—so those go south
like we
00:38:33.785 --> 00:38:37.748
talked about earlier and they're not seating people, or the
midterms don't turn out the way
00:38:37.848 --> 00:38:41.788
that Democrats wanted, or there's not really any kind of pushback
against Trump—I think they could be
00:38:42.010 --> 00:38:45.848
really at a five out of ten. That could be horribly optimistic,
but I believe that
00:38:45.931 --> 00:38:49.208
there's some kind of merit to people just having had enough here,
especially
00:38:49.731 --> 00:38:53.428
young—like Hal was talking about—younger people. When it comes to
Washington
00:38:53.591 --> 00:38:56.388
letting us leave, I think that it is
00:38:56.388 --> 00:38:56.908
a
00:38:58.597 --> 00:39:02.428
three out of ten. I don't think that there's gonna be such a
thing
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.288
as, like, they'll occupy to kind of bludgeon us into
00:39:06.463 --> 00:39:10.267
submission. I think that there will be some sort of point
00:39:10.347 --> 00:39:14.188
where stalemate pretty much between the Democrats and Republicans
will require
00:39:14.851 --> 00:39:18.748
some sort of option where one of the parties will have to cut
00:39:18.874 --> 00:39:22.588
us a deal and let us go, because they want to
00:39:22.697 --> 00:39:26.468
have some sort of primacy in the presidential election. They'll
00:39:26.620 --> 00:39:30.483
cut a deal with us to let us go. And then they might disagree
with us still
00:39:30.623 --> 00:39:34.530
after the fact. Like, they might say that even if we have a
referendum and we were just
00:39:34.689 --> 00:39:38.383
like, let go, they'll probably demand certain concessions—like,
for
00:39:38.423 --> 00:39:41.865
example, San Diego gets cut off of California to become just one
00:39:42.386 --> 00:39:46.140
enclave military base, kind of like Kaliningrad with the Russians
00:39:46.349 --> 00:39:50.163
and Germans. Something like that could happen. I think also, too,
that they could
00:39:50.203 --> 00:39:54.130
possibly go into not giving us full recognition. There might be
some
00:39:54.227 --> 00:39:57.516
kind of weird legal relationship between us and the United
States. We end up like
00:39:58.088 --> 00:40:02.066
Taiwan, where we have trade missions that are embassies in
reality,
00:40:02.415 --> 00:40:06.256
and we're not recognized fully, and we don't get a U.N. seat or
something like
00:40:06.321 --> 00:40:10.306
that. But I don't think you're getting full-blown occupation,
just because—I mean, there's a
00:40:10.391 --> 00:40:14.346
lot of bloodthirsty people in Washington, D.C. at the top. And
00:40:14.346 --> 00:40:18.269
I think they would love to take a swing at us, but also at
00:40:18.269 --> 00:40:22.203
the same time, too, it's hard to have a
00:40:22.303 --> 00:40:26.126
crushing of the opposition when so many people are basically
00:40:26.166 --> 00:40:30.079
from the same country too. Now again, the riot, to shoot down
tear gas, is one
00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:33.542
thing. Clubbing a couple of people, putting out an eye with a
rubber
00:40:33.922 --> 00:40:37.366
bullet—that's one thing. But then actually to have, like, a full-
blown occupied France
00:40:37.847 --> 00:40:41.470
moment, I just don't see that. I don't think they would have the
guts to keep doing that, just
00:40:41.490 --> 00:40:45.386
because most of the time you can blame these people being
cowards. What is the
00:40:45.714 --> 00:40:49.506
Wall Street phrase—TACO, Trump always chickens out. I think
00:40:49.678 --> 00:40:53.622
that would be kind of the case. And I can't believe Vance would
be any different and would
00:40:53.642 --> 00:40:57.536
have some sort of steel spine to really put down the hammer.
That's
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.016
my take. So anyway,
00:41:00.585 --> 00:41:04.536
going on to issue three: CalExit. How does this
00:41:04.593 --> 00:41:05.896
happen? Now let's say that California
00:41:07.517 --> 00:41:10.696
is going to launch away from the United States.
00:41:11.707 --> 00:41:15.426
How does this occur? What is your scenario? And I'll start with
Charles.
00:41:15.717 --> 00:41:19.516
Well, I don't have a single scenario. I think there's a couple of
possibilities.
00:41:19.823 --> 00:41:23.216
One is just kind of a collapse of the government in D.C. in some
fashion,
00:41:23.909 --> 00:41:27.457
and I can't tell you what that would be like, other than the
00:41:27.717 --> 00:41:31.498
graft becomes so parasitical that the host dies,
00:41:31.779 --> 00:41:35.668
in a way. The other way is the scenario you discussed, where
00:41:36.001 --> 00:41:39.883
they send in the troops and they try to occupy California, and
00:41:40.203 --> 00:41:44.118
they don't really remember that in California there are ten
00:41:44.285 --> 00:41:48.038
times as many people who own guns as there are people in the
00:41:48.146 --> 00:41:51.658
army. So they could deploy the entire army to California
00:41:52.388 --> 00:41:56.171
and they would be outnumbered ten to one—maybe eight to one,
because
00:41:56.411 --> 00:42:00.348
two of the ten would go over to the other side. But if it
actually became
00:42:00.395 --> 00:42:04.328
an all-out shooting war, there's a lot more people in California
00:42:04.358 --> 00:42:08.166
with guns. There's roughly—I mean, if you divide it by guns to
people,
00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:12.636
there's one gun for every two people, and I suspect if we got
closer to that number
00:42:12.833 --> 00:42:16.696
would go way up. So an army that couldn't win in
00:42:17.712 --> 00:42:21.612
Afghanistan—poor, desolate, vastly outnumbered—is
00:42:21.612 --> 00:42:25.566
not going to win against California. That kind of thing just
can't happen. So
00:42:26.266 --> 00:42:30.194
I guess I don't have an answer for you. I've enumerated the
possibilities. One is, as you
00:42:30.234 --> 00:42:33.759
suggested, they go, if we kick California out, we lose all those
blue
00:42:34.217 --> 00:42:38.079
representatives and those two blue senators, and that could just
tip the balance the way we want to,
00:42:38.668 --> 00:42:41.659
to perfect our MAGAstan; therefore we're happy to let them go.
00:42:41.980 --> 00:42:42.139
Okay.
00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:42.399
We'll see.
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.532
Zero to ten. Zero being that everything's peaceful, ten being
00:42:46.773 --> 00:42:48.819
absolute dystopian nightmare, civil war.
00:42:50.067 --> 00:42:50.379
Four.
00:42:51.236 --> 00:42:53.639
Okay. Well, thank you, Charles. Maya, you're up.
00:42:54.427 --> 00:42:58.321
CalExit—how it happens. I did
00:42:58.762 --> 00:43:02.653
talk about earlier the Article Five convention that Christian
nationalists
00:43:02.848 --> 00:43:06.773
would love to call to rewrite the entire Constitution. So
00:43:06.894 --> 00:43:09.673
we could be kicked out unwillingly that way. But
00:43:10.302 --> 00:43:13.993
CalExit more than likely is going to be an
00:43:14.065 --> 00:43:17.945
organic affair, and I think it will ultimately come from the
people that are sick and
00:43:18.102 --> 00:43:21.196
tired of the BS of the Trump regime. And
00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:25.793
I think it will start first as peacefully as some sort of
referendum
00:43:26.469 --> 00:43:30.053
which barely squeaks by. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it
takes
00:43:30.307 --> 00:43:33.661
more than one try before we see a majority that favor California
00:43:34.046 --> 00:43:37.741
independence. Quebec has had theirs once, and they might just
00:43:37.930 --> 00:43:41.749
have theirs again with their new party in power—a party that
00:43:41.962 --> 00:43:45.709
Trump has supported because he would love to have a Canadian
00:43:45.965 --> 00:43:49.269
province separate just out of spite. It doesn't have to be
Alberta.
00:43:50.510 --> 00:43:50.689
anyway, getting back to what I was saying: I think, ultimately,
of
00:43:50.689 --> 00:43:50.690
But
00:43:54.394 --> 00:43:58.305
course, the groundswell will come from the people that are sick
and tired of
00:43:58.441 --> 00:44:02.395
the nonsense of the Trump regime. And it
00:44:02.418 --> 00:44:06.085
will be peaceful, of course. It will be through a referendum. The
response from the U.S.
00:44:06.116 --> 00:44:09.755
government, I am fairly certain, will be a high chance of
00:44:09.786 --> 00:44:13.405
violence, because that is our government. The U.S. federal
government has had a
00:44:13.441 --> 00:44:17.355
history of violence against its own people over the years. I
00:44:17.355 --> 00:44:17.461
would not
00:44:17.461 --> 00:44:21.244
be surprised if they have a violent response if it truly comes
from the people.
00:44:21.934 --> 00:44:25.374
I don't know if anyone's talked about maybe the possibility of
some crazy
00:44:26.203 --> 00:44:30.071
oligarch, a billionaire—God knows we have so many in
California—that would
00:44:30.231 --> 00:44:34.028
try to somehow negotiate with the government to have California
as his
00:44:34.140 --> 00:44:37.883
own or broken away from the U.S. for whatever
00:44:38.344 --> 00:44:41.243
aims that he and his other billionaire friends have. That is a
00:44:41.927 --> 00:44:44.483
possibility, but that would not be good for the people of
California.
00:44:44.829 --> 00:44:48.818
Yeah, well, there's always—like, again, we get some crazy mega-
Texan billionaire just throw
00:44:48.878 --> 00:44:52.638
money at us and kick us out. That's always been kind of a thing.
Zero to ten,
00:44:52.733 --> 00:44:56.687
again, ten being Armageddon, what do you think the possibility
is—will we actually
00:44:56.707 --> 00:44:58.498
have a CalExit?
00:44:58.498 --> 00:45:01.368
I think my answer would be the same as the last answer I gave.
00:45:01.899 --> 00:45:05.888
Okay. Thank you so much, Maya. Hal, you're up again, talking
about
00:45:06.547 --> 00:45:08.778
issue three, CalExit. How does this happen?
00:45:09.553 --> 00:45:10.838
Yeah, now batting. Oh,
00:45:12.475 --> 00:45:16.458
it's going to be complicated. There's no way to get around it.
It's going to be a combination
00:45:16.458 --> 00:45:20.418
of things, but the critical factor now is going to be U.S.
collapse in
00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:24.458
some form or another. We're talking about basically forty
trillion dollars in
00:45:24.542 --> 00:45:28.417
debt. We're talking about a trillion-dollar-a-year military
00:45:28.530 --> 00:45:32.437
that can't win a war and a government that can't agree to
00:45:32.555 --> 00:45:36.077
order pizza. So, this is
00:45:36.350 --> 00:45:39.979
unsustainable. AI models have the U.S. failure,
00:45:40.352 --> 00:45:43.079
basically, or the U.S. collapse, pretty much
00:45:44.702 --> 00:45:48.629
sometime around twenty thirty-seven. They say it's gonna limp
along until then
00:45:48.700 --> 00:45:52.392
and then it's just gonna base plant. Between now and then it's
gonna
00:45:52.903 --> 00:45:56.782
keep getting worse. Democrats or Republicans, we've
00:45:56.847 --> 00:46:00.552
already seen this trend. Californians are becoming more and more
00:46:00.970 --> 00:46:04.383
sick of this. The quality of life in California is
00:46:05.096 --> 00:46:09.093
going down because of federal policy. We can't keep
00:46:09.135 --> 00:46:12.763
going like this. How much more expensive can
00:46:13.052 --> 00:46:16.903
fuel costs become? While the federal government is fighting
00:46:17.635 --> 00:46:21.233
us—six dollars a gallon for gasoline—and yet the federal
government is
00:46:21.471 --> 00:46:24.605
fighting the transition to electric cars. No hope for
00:46:25.509 --> 00:46:29.375
universal health care, retirement. It's like wages can't keep
00:46:29.427 --> 00:46:33.055
up with inflation. We've basically had a series of
00:46:33.273 --> 00:46:37.260
idiot presidents. Think about it. When was the last time anybody
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.815
had a president that anybody could really trust, Democrat or
00:46:40.932 --> 00:46:42.605
Republican? Californians
00:46:45.191 --> 00:46:48.805
can simply, if they pull their head out of the sand for a moment
and look
00:46:48.902 --> 00:46:51.955
around, realize at some point in time that
00:46:52.967 --> 00:46:56.272
it will get better for them—it would be better. So
00:46:57.016 --> 00:47:00.652
yeah, it's like it's a combination of factors. It's like as the
federal government gets
00:47:00.781 --> 00:47:04.626
worse and as Californians see this and
00:47:04.746 --> 00:47:08.092
realize this situation is not going to get
00:47:08.491 --> 00:47:12.467
better ever, then sometime over the course of the next
generation,
00:47:13.052 --> 00:47:16.187
yeah, that's when we're going to see—that's when we're going to
see a
00:47:16.738 --> 00:47:20.600
CalExit. We always have to remember in the movement—and we have a
tendency to do
00:47:21.377 --> 00:47:24.600
this—we tend to think of it as something that's going to happen
00:47:25.797 --> 00:47:29.741
for us, by us, in our lifetimes. Not—that's
00:47:29.741 --> 00:47:33.500
not necessarily the case. History goes on even if we're not
00:47:33.749 --> 00:47:37.741
still here. And that brings us to the next question. The
00:47:37.805 --> 00:47:40.997
next question is what U.S. response will be? Is that right, Sean?
00:47:41.577 --> 00:47:45.547
Not necessarily. No, the next question actually is about what
California would look like.
00:47:45.651 --> 00:47:49.627
But I would say that when it comes to the zero-to-ten thing, what
do you think is
00:47:49.720 --> 00:47:53.587
going to be the possibility of violence and disruption? That
doesn't necessarily have to mean
00:47:54.339 --> 00:47:58.057
what the U.S. government would do. It just could be—what is the
end case? Is it getting zero
00:47:58.276 --> 00:48:02.167
peace and love, or again, are we just going to break down to a
nightmare that we can never escape
00:48:02.237 --> 00:48:02.417
from?
00:48:04.552 --> 00:48:08.417
Let's break it into threes. Cultural violence is guaranteed. It's
the
00:48:08.765 --> 00:48:12.497
nine—eight, nine, ten on that list. They're
00:48:12.619 --> 00:48:16.517
already waging that war. They hate California. They hate us. If
we leave, they will
00:48:16.573 --> 00:48:20.137
hate us more. We're talking Red Sox–Yankees kind of
00:48:20.211 --> 00:48:23.137
rivalry. They're gonna despise us. Culturally violent? Yes.
00:48:24.148 --> 00:48:27.959
Politically violent? We can almost guarantee they will—it's like
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:32.027
they're gonna try to sanction California. They would try to use
political
00:48:32.163 --> 00:48:35.017
sanctions and so forth. The fact that most of their
00:48:35.937 --> 00:48:39.167
consumer goods flow through California won't seem to matter to
them. But
00:48:39.870 --> 00:48:43.737
like, okay, so you're gonna put tariffs on the goods that come
through California to the rest of the United
00:48:43.953 --> 00:48:47.177
States, meaning that Bubba in Arkansas is gonna pay
00:48:47.696 --> 00:48:48.097
twice as much for
00:48:48.097 --> 00:48:52.077
his food, flat-screen television, which isn't gonna make him feel
00:48:52.225 --> 00:48:55.937
better about California, and oddly, he won't blame the federal
government for it.
00:48:56.875 --> 00:49:00.582
As far as military violence—actual military
00:49:00.648 --> 00:49:04.342
violence or militia violence or what have you—at some point
00:49:04.540 --> 00:49:08.382
in time over the next few years, months,
00:49:08.431 --> 00:49:11.632
what have you, that is guaranteed.
00:49:12.768 --> 00:49:15.992
It's a ten. Whether it happens now,
00:49:17.093 --> 00:49:20.779
whether it happens after this election or after the twenty-eight
election,
00:49:22.359 --> 00:49:25.979
or whether it happens a generation from now—you know, if
California
00:49:26.886 --> 00:49:30.679
has become an independent nation and the United States has a
chance to
00:49:30.750 --> 00:49:34.719
recover from that, build up to a point where it feels
00:49:34.854 --> 00:49:38.179
an advantage and then comes back. Sort of War of
00:49:38.689 --> 00:49:42.286
1812 kind of thing. So it is—or
00:49:42.286 --> 00:49:46.099
Russia-Ukraine, for example, too. Right, Russia and Ukraine. Yes.
No, you
00:49:46.137 --> 00:49:46.339
can
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.199
hear some future U.S. president pounding
00:49:53.323 --> 00:49:57.019
on the desk, basically saying, talking about how Americans
00:49:57.686 --> 00:50:01.639
in California are being persecuted and oppressed and
00:50:01.729 --> 00:50:04.879
we must roll the military into California to liberate
00:50:05.721 --> 00:50:09.349
them—liberate San Diego or liberate Barstow or
00:50:09.746 --> 00:50:11.499
Fresno or—you know.
00:50:11.677 --> 00:50:13.259
Bakersfield, yes, something like that. Yeah,
00:50:13.259 --> 00:50:14.759
the oppressed in Bakersfield.
00:50:15.294 --> 00:50:18.036
Or more like—or more likely Las Vegas
00:50:19.227 --> 00:50:23.222
or something like that, which, of course, will probably end up
becoming part of California
00:50:23.410 --> 00:50:23.762
anyway.
00:50:24.231 --> 00:50:27.744
Yeah. Well, that would be kind of my thing, like, for myself with
this
00:50:27.897 --> 00:50:31.760
question, when it comes to, again, like CalExit, how does this
happen? There are
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.244
multiple scenarios. I brought up one again that is of interest to
me.
00:50:35.652 --> 00:50:35.844
There is
00:50:35.844 --> 00:50:39.204
a historical example of Singapore being kicked out from Malaysia.
00:50:40.156 --> 00:50:44.084
And that Article Five that Maya was talking about—there could be
a mechanism
00:50:44.299 --> 00:50:48.133
where they write up their new Christo-nationalist, Christo-
fascist constitution
00:50:48.892 --> 00:50:52.713
and there'll be a clause saying California is no longer part of
the United States
00:50:53.016 --> 00:50:56.773
at the end. That could possibly happen because they would
probably feel like
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.748
they would always have to have a real opposition from California
00:51:00.879 --> 00:51:04.288
Democrats providing money and resources to the National
Democratic Party.
00:51:04.983 --> 00:51:06.478
They might want to just kick us out just to kind
00:51:06.478 --> 00:51:10.068
of make sure that they always have the field tilted in their
direction.
00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:15.118
But I would say that in my mind, it's going to be kind of a few
00:51:15.226 --> 00:51:19.098
events. I think one is that there's going to be economic
collapse. Looks like we're already
00:51:19.774 --> 00:51:23.388
planning for the Great Recession Part Two. The AI
00:51:24.292 --> 00:51:28.114
boom will turn into a bust, or anything connected with economic
00:51:28.312 --> 00:51:31.874
growth that's come from AI; any other industry is really
00:51:32.176 --> 00:51:36.173
kind of faltering and not really growing in any which way. So
once
00:51:36.220 --> 00:51:39.835
that AI—we're gonna have a huge issue just like we did with
the—again,
00:51:39.835 --> 00:51:43.573
prime subprime mortgage issue back in two thousand eight. That
happens,
00:51:43.890 --> 00:51:47.093
economic chaos gets involved. I think that the
00:51:47.886 --> 00:51:51.023
California National Party will have some
00:51:51.946 --> 00:51:55.423
boost due to that, because I think people will take more
seriously that we are
00:51:55.423 --> 00:51:58.733
a legitimate option and the only option kind of left at this
point,
00:51:59.682 --> 00:52:03.553
especially third parties like the Greens or, I guess, the DSA,
which is not a
00:52:03.585 --> 00:52:06.673
third party but sort of third party-ish, and Peace and Freedom.
00:52:07.429 --> 00:52:11.293
Those organizations will not have a real answer to the crisis. I
think
00:52:11.293 --> 00:52:15.205
we can present something there. Economic crisis happens, then
00:52:15.505 --> 00:52:18.713
we're gonna have a real battle with Democrats and Republicans
fighting it out.
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.793
Polarization will be through the roof at that point. I think then
00:52:23.073 --> 00:52:26.873
there's the possibility that we could actually have a
presidential
00:52:27.096 --> 00:52:30.959
candidate for California for CNP who just
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.063
runs in California to steal the electoral votes and basically
hold
00:52:35.263 --> 00:52:39.183
up the Democrats or Republicans—if they don't give us the chance
00:52:39.183 --> 00:52:43.053
to do a referendum, or whatever player actually gives us a chance
00:52:43.401 --> 00:52:47.253
to actually do a referendum—we'll release our fifty-four
electoral votes. That was
00:52:47.253 --> 00:52:51.103
a plan that came to fruition back in, like, eighteen seventy-six
00:52:51.489 --> 00:52:55.352
with the kind of dirty dealings around the end of Reconstruction.
They did do that
00:52:55.452 --> 00:52:59.403
sort of thing between Democrats and Republicans. George Wallace
was trying to attempt
00:52:59.476 --> 00:53:03.183
that in nineteen sixty-eight. He wanted to win the South in order
to have enough
00:53:03.279 --> 00:53:07.223
electoral votes that he could basically go to Nixon or Humphrey
and say, whichever
00:53:07.422 --> 00:53:11.403
one of you guys turns off civil rights in the South, you get to
be the president. He didn't get
00:53:11.566 --> 00:53:14.968
that far, and again, it was an awful thing to be trying to do,
but
00:53:15.549 --> 00:53:19.543
the plan seems to be pretty sound. And I can see getting a
candidate for CNP
00:53:20.382 --> 00:53:24.243
or just, again, an independent candidate for
California—independents coming
00:53:24.516 --> 00:53:28.343
out and actually trying to win the electoral votes for California
and then basically forcing a deal
00:53:28.799 --> 00:53:32.532
for a referendum. But I think after that, the referendum would
00:53:32.552 --> 00:53:35.996
occur. It'll be contested. There will be
00:53:36.196 --> 00:53:39.973
crazies on the right, especially if they feel like there's a real
chance that California
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.873
can leave. So that kind of like Unionist militia
00:53:44.102 --> 00:53:47.823
paramilitary thing that was the scourge of, like, Northern
Ireland. I think we could
00:53:47.995 --> 00:53:48.263
see that kind
00:53:48.263 --> 00:53:52.103
of thing here—paramilitary showing up. So I would say it would be
a
00:53:52.591 --> 00:53:56.403
low-level kind of violence, but still not be great, but it's the
growing pains
00:53:56.622 --> 00:53:59.996
of a new nation. I think that's just going to have to occur.
Also, the
00:54:00.016 --> 00:54:03.853
referendum, too, will probably be challenged in some way because
we've already
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.833
seen the playbook that's been happening in our
00:54:07.882 --> 00:54:11.513
country and in Brazil, and it looks like Netanyahu in Israel.
00:54:12.326 --> 00:54:16.073
Every right-wing politician has grabbed onto, well, this is an
improper vote, there's
00:54:16.369 --> 00:54:20.164
someone's cheating, the election's rigged. Like they're saying
that all over the place
00:54:20.343 --> 00:54:24.264
now, right? So why wouldn't they say that for a referendum for
California to leave?
00:54:24.813 --> 00:54:28.704
They probably would say that there'll be another kind of growing
crisis
00:54:28.921 --> 00:54:32.754
about California taking off. I think the state government, again,
because
00:54:33.095 --> 00:54:36.994
of our system, state government has the powers and the ability to
kind of maintain
00:54:37.457 --> 00:54:41.174
things. We would basically be put up to
00:54:41.574 --> 00:54:45.194
a point where we just had a referendum that was already
authorized by the United
00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:48.884
States Congress or whatever to do that. Referendum
00:54:49.351 --> 00:54:53.204
actually does pass, but they'll challenge the referendum, and
then what will
00:54:53.353 --> 00:54:57.324
happen is that we'll have a UDI, which is a Unilateral
Declaration of Independence.
00:54:57.875 --> 00:55:01.476
The whoever's in charge of the state at that point will just pull
that
00:55:01.556 --> 00:55:04.944
cord. And then we become kind of an odd,
00:55:05.078 --> 00:55:08.924
unrecognized nation. Maybe certain areas would be under military
00:55:09.109 --> 00:55:12.394
occupation. I can just think of like San Diego or the other bases
00:55:13.371 --> 00:55:17.274
that will be held, but I think that the United States is so kind
of
00:55:17.573 --> 00:55:21.486
all over the place politically, can't keep it together, I think
that will
00:55:21.526 --> 00:55:25.502
start falling apart after a while. The United States will try to
block us
00:55:25.542 --> 00:55:29.184
from access to like the U.N. or World Trade Organization or other
00:55:29.416 --> 00:55:33.026
international like super groups and things like that to kind of
keep us out of the way, like Group of
00:55:33.205 --> 00:55:37.006
Seven, Group of Eight or whatever. But that will kind of just
turn off after a while because
00:55:37.006 --> 00:55:40.646
it won't be sustainable. I, again, they might try to put in
00:55:40.801 --> 00:55:44.106
troopers to kind of like maintain some order in certain things,
but
00:55:44.955 --> 00:55:48.866
I don't think they have like the vision to do it or actually the
guts to do it. Trump and company
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:52.186
had a chance to overthrow the United States back in twenty-one,
right?
00:55:53.222 --> 00:55:56.986
And they had all the means, they had the crowd there, they had
armed people in the crowd.
00:55:57.686 --> 00:56:01.236
If Trump really tried to push that, he could have knocked over
the entire
00:56:01.449 --> 00:56:05.426
structure, but he pushed out. And I think most of these guys, in
the end, are
00:56:05.493 --> 00:56:09.066
gigantic cowards, and I just don't see them really pulling the
trigger
00:56:09.496 --> 00:56:13.446
or even asking other people to pull the trigger because they
don't know how it's going to splash back on them. And I
00:56:13.539 --> 00:56:17.256
always like tell people, just an example of just how this played
out. In
00:56:17.732 --> 00:56:21.276
the last years of apartheid South Africa, the white right
00:56:21.816 --> 00:56:25.586
had armed militias and they had the entire South African
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:29.156
military. South African military was not integrated, it was all
white people.
00:56:30.002 --> 00:56:33.786
And the moment there was a shooting in one part of the country
and three
00:56:33.985 --> 00:56:37.916
people died, they just backed off immediately because then
00:56:38.009 --> 00:56:41.836
they found out that oh, civil war could be real. So I really
don't think they have the
00:56:41.912 --> 00:56:45.838
guts to pull off a lot of what they kind of say. If we're gonna
do the zero-to-ten
00:56:45.838 --> 00:56:49.809
thing when it comes to violence, I would say probably three to
four is probably
00:56:50.085 --> 00:56:53.669
appropriate. Again, I don't think it's Armageddon or Civil War,
but some kind of
00:56:53.956 --> 00:56:57.468
low-level wacko violence definitely will be part of the process,
00:56:57.468 --> 00:57:01.299
unfortunately. So, the last issue before
00:57:01.482 --> 00:57:05.019
we get to our lightning round. Issue four, what would an
independent
00:57:05.325 --> 00:57:08.828
California actually look like? So, this is kind of this daydream
hour, guys,
00:57:09.429 --> 00:57:13.279
or daydream moment, I should say. Just kind of give an idea of
what do you think a California
00:57:13.532 --> 00:57:17.479
would actually look like when we're past all the troubles and
nonsense and we're
00:57:17.596 --> 00:57:21.479
actually independent. What is your vision of what a California
would look like? And starting with Charles.
00:57:22.089 --> 00:57:25.209
All right. I'm gonna skip the obvious things and I'm gonna go to
the
00:57:26.131 --> 00:57:29.409
pie-in-the-sky, Nirvana kind of things. First,
00:57:29.656 --> 00:57:33.649
California would be the leader of the world, and not
00:57:34.019 --> 00:57:37.709
in the traditional U.S. sense, but in setting the pace,
00:57:38.323 --> 00:57:40.249
blazing the technology
00:57:41.610 --> 00:57:44.953
paths—really kind of where progress happens.
00:57:45.673 --> 00:57:49.673
We'd have an immigration code that encouraged the best and the
00:57:49.718 --> 00:57:53.553
brightest people in the world to come here and innovate, which
would enrich
00:57:54.083 --> 00:57:58.053
the country immensely. We would have an environment
00:57:58.129 --> 00:58:01.533
that fostered innovation and entrepreneurial
00:58:02.974 --> 00:58:06.883
start-up activity to help people really accelerate
00:58:07.178 --> 00:58:10.263
things. And when people
00:58:11.268 --> 00:58:15.183
around the world talk about the future, they would say it looks
like California looks like today, whatever
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.353
that today might be. I think I've said enough. I think that's the
vision
00:58:19.495 --> 00:58:20.593
that I am aiming for.
00:58:21.497 --> 00:58:24.773
Okay. Great. Thank you so much. I'm going to do a zero to ten
for—this is kind of
00:58:25.262 --> 00:58:28.854
fun—what you hope to get out of this sort of situation. So Maya,
you're up.
00:58:30.123 --> 00:58:33.653
I like how you put it. What do you hope to get out of this? Well,
what I
00:58:33.989 --> 00:58:37.753
hope to get out of California becoming independent is
00:58:38.664 --> 00:58:42.646
California becoming more like a civilized country. I envision—I
want to see
00:58:42.720 --> 00:58:46.518
it more like Canada or Norway. I've talked about universal health
care,
00:58:46.835 --> 00:58:50.780
that it should be a priority for a developing nation like
California. When
00:58:50.850 --> 00:58:54.647
we break away from the U.S., we'll probably be a semi-developing
00:58:55.063 --> 00:58:58.907
nation because our infrastructure is absolute dog shit. It's
00:58:59.229 --> 00:59:03.039
dog shit that hasn't been updated since the nineteen sixties,
when they
00:59:03.401 --> 00:59:07.371
built all the interstate highways. And I do believe that there'll
be a
00:59:07.674 --> 00:59:11.591
period where we'll need to grow and develop, and I think one
00:59:11.591 --> 00:59:15.561
of the priorities a newly independent nation should focus on is
universal health care.
00:59:16.142 --> 00:59:19.891
Poorer nations have done this, and it's a shame that the
00:59:19.965 --> 00:59:23.931
richest country in the world, the United States of America, which
we are still unfortunately part of,
00:59:24.488 --> 00:59:28.081
has not accomplished universal health care for its people. And so
00:59:28.442 --> 00:59:32.371
California developing universal health care that covers all of
00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:36.911
forty million—well, almost forty million—people, that would be a
big fat
00:59:36.986 --> 00:59:40.935
middle finger to the U.S. federal government. Along the lines of
what a government
00:59:41.075 --> 00:59:44.540
in an independent California should look like, the priority
should be
00:59:44.931 --> 00:59:48.770
investing in people. That is what I envision for California.
That's what I want
00:59:48.770 --> 00:59:51.820
to see from an independent California. And that's my short
answer.
00:59:52.291 --> 00:59:56.191
Thank you so much, Maya. Hal, vision for the future—the
00:59:56.191 --> 00:59:59.920
last issue before we go into the lightning round. What would an
independent California actually look like?
01:00:00.067 --> 01:00:03.415
I'm gonna agree with Maya. Initially, it's not gonna be
01:00:04.378 --> 01:00:08.251
all rainbows and unicorns. It's gonna be a lot of
01:00:08.410 --> 01:00:11.432
work. What's it gonna look like? I think it's gonna—sad but
01:00:12.006 --> 01:00:15.802
true—it's gonna have to go through this phase. It's going to look
like a small
01:00:16.366 --> 01:00:20.352
idealized version of what we just left behind in America.
01:00:20.793 --> 01:00:24.012
It's going to be a nation that's going to attempt to
01:00:24.781 --> 01:00:28.130
live up to what everybody considers to be American ideals.
01:00:29.494 --> 01:00:33.230
That's going to have to change and evolve over
01:00:33.365 --> 01:00:36.600
time. What I'm going to get out of it, what I'm going to
01:00:37.195 --> 01:00:40.737
see—I'm not going to see anything out of it. The hope is that my
children will.
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The hope is that all of our children will, our grandchildren
will.
01:00:45.751 --> 01:00:48.597
The generations that come after us
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.647
will get off of this U.S. trajectory of
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worse every decade. I hope for a future where a
01:00:58.332 --> 01:01:01.711
California nation eventually can abandon the
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.031
Republicans and Democrats who, unfortunately, if we declared
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independence today, they'd still be there. They'd still hold all
01:01:10.263 --> 01:01:13.724
the cards. It's going to take time, but
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the hope is—and there's really no other hope
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out there for it—that over time we'll see a
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California that takes its rightful place in the world, a
01:01:26.114 --> 01:01:29.046
major player in a new Pacific Rim-based
01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:34.508
world of trade and respect, that will
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have political, economic, and socially just
01:01:38.817 --> 01:01:40.276
elements within its government.
01:01:42.809 --> 01:01:46.776
I'm not gonna say it's all gonna be rainbows and unicorns, but
we, at least at
01:01:46.845 --> 01:01:50.615
this time, have a chance to get it right. We have a—for our
01:01:50.695 --> 01:01:53.966
kids and our grandkids, we would have a better chance to get it
right:
01:01:54.723 --> 01:01:58.436
putting an international border between our people
01:01:58.970 --> 01:02:02.416
and Wall Street, putting a national border between our people
01:02:03.143 --> 01:02:06.676
and Texas oil, putting a national border between
01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:10.986
our people and the Bible Belt. None
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of those things are bad. None of those things are bad. For what I
see for
01:02:15.078 --> 01:02:18.876
the future, California has a bright future within a
01:02:18.912 --> 01:02:19.916
generation or two.
01:02:21.507 --> 01:02:24.986
It's a sun setting on the western edge of western
01:02:25.054 --> 01:02:28.786
civilization and a major player
01:02:29.033 --> 01:02:32.436
in the Pacific Rim, in the world, in trade
01:02:33.241 --> 01:02:36.997
and justice and environment, and a leader,
01:02:37.328 --> 01:02:41.227
as Charles said, not because we have the most bombs or
01:02:41.426 --> 01:02:45.347
guns, but because we have the best ideas. That would be what I
01:02:45.417 --> 01:02:46.047
would hope for.
01:02:46.657 --> 01:02:50.617
Thank you, Hal. Yeah, no, that's—again, not to belabor the points
here,
01:02:50.783 --> 01:02:54.677
because again, I agree with it; the panel absolutely. I
01:02:54.750 --> 01:02:58.667
just would shorthand it, and I'm stealing this from Theo Slater,
who was the previous chair
01:02:58.667 --> 01:03:02.390
of the party. Excuse me—I would just say, from Theo Slater, I
would steal
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the idea, the simple phrase, that we want to be the
01:03:06.453 --> 01:03:10.107
Switzerland of the Pacific. And we want to have an independent
foreign policy.
01:03:10.576 --> 01:03:14.097
We want to have something where we're not in the business of
building
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.721
empires. I would hope we would have the rail system of the
01:03:18.530 --> 01:03:21.881
Japanese—high-speed rail for real—that actually connects us up
and down our entire
01:03:22.571 --> 01:03:26.464
nation-state. I would hope that we'd have something like the
French health care system, which is
01:03:26.504 --> 01:03:30.161
pretty good, or the Japanese health care system. I would hope
that we would have the
01:03:30.266 --> 01:03:33.521
innovation and clean streets of Singapore, for example,
01:03:34.460 --> 01:03:38.301
without the kind of slightly fascistic parts of that equation. At
the same time,
01:03:38.554 --> 01:03:41.911
too, we want to have a society where it is, again,
01:03:42.049 --> 01:03:45.621
multicultural, accepting people from all backgrounds, again with
no kind of
01:03:45.743 --> 01:03:49.661
judgment, and a government that supports the ability
01:03:49.806 --> 01:03:52.968
for people to have their beliefs but at the same time, too,
01:03:53.829 --> 01:03:57.731
basically acts pretty much as an atheist—does not try to give
01:03:57.822 --> 01:04:01.591
any kind of leeway towards religions or creeds or anything like
01:04:02.218 --> 01:04:06.001
that—which, again, the United States has been totally infected
with the Christian nationalist
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:10.188
viewpoint that is, yeah, coming across to all of us right now,
helping
01:04:10.248 --> 01:04:13.850
to ruin a lot of lives up and down our former country that we
used to look
01:04:13.911 --> 01:04:17.825
towards. So I would say that in my mind, if we can just look
01:04:17.894 --> 01:04:21.695
around the world and actually copy and paste some of the good
elements and dismiss some of the bad
01:04:21.807 --> 01:04:25.515
ones, and also copy and paste some of the good things that came
before in the old
01:04:25.610 --> 01:04:29.475
American system, I think that we would be very well set up. And
actually, we could
01:04:29.593 --> 01:04:33.557
actually get—nothing would be a true utopia, but at
01:04:33.577 --> 01:04:37.555
the same time, too, it would be something worth trying to
01:04:37.600 --> 01:04:41.385
achieve, and especially for the next generations, when kids
01:04:41.794 --> 01:04:45.765
at a certain age right now have grown up in nothing but a society
01:04:46.101 --> 01:04:50.025
that looks like it's always falling apart, always involved in
war, always involved in
01:04:50.100 --> 01:04:54.096
corruption. There's no bright future ahead for most. Then I think
that we're losing a lot of young
01:04:54.197 --> 01:04:58.106
people to depression and substance abuse and just checking
01:04:58.323 --> 01:05:02.208
out mentally because the society looks like it's stuck and
stagnant. And
01:05:02.228 --> 01:05:06.016
that's an awful thing to do, and we should provide some other
kind of view of
01:05:06.577 --> 01:05:06.900
what we can possibly
01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:10.470
do in the future that would be better. So since we've been all
kind of
01:05:10.691 --> 01:05:14.450
serious and dark for the last few moments, I would say just for a
quick
01:05:14.605 --> 01:05:18.578
lightning round, just for fun. Just conspiracy theories you
01:05:18.638 --> 01:05:22.601
think people should believe. I don't want you to defend it really
or really go into detail
01:05:22.601 --> 01:05:26.444
because we're wrapping up. But just throw out something there
that people should look into that you
01:05:26.444 --> 01:05:30.107
think, go, huh, maybe there's something behind that. What's it?
So just for
01:05:30.167 --> 01:05:34.101
fun, again—seriousness of it could be something you think that's
like a dire
01:05:34.261 --> 01:05:38.090
straits kind of situation, or just something wacky you think is
kind of interesting.
01:05:38.336 --> 01:05:42.050
Like, for example, Marisa Tomei was not supposed to get the Best
01:05:42.099 --> 01:05:45.800
Supporting Actress Oscar. Is this because Jack Palance screwed up
the reading of the
01:05:45.853 --> 01:05:49.730
card? So it could be any conspiracy that you want, anything for
fun. And
01:05:49.967 --> 01:05:52.290
Charles, you go first in our lightning round here.
01:05:52.830 --> 01:05:56.720
Oh, gosh. I feel like all the conspiracies on the Republican side
are so
01:05:56.893 --> 01:06:00.170
blatant and obvious, it's kind of hard to treat them as
conspiracies anymore.
01:06:01.057 --> 01:06:04.030
It's not like they're the secret Illuminati running around
01:06:04.900 --> 01:06:08.840
and we can't see what's going on. They are all mumbling to
01:06:08.914 --> 01:06:12.780
themselves while they do things about what they're doing, and
they just announce
01:06:12.977 --> 01:06:16.680
everything by accusing the Democrats of doing it. So I guess
maybe my
01:06:16.721 --> 01:06:20.700
conspiracy theory is that every time a Republican accuses a
Democrat of doing something
01:06:21.427 --> 01:06:24.880
vile, evil, or illegal, it is a confession.
01:06:25.732 --> 01:06:27.880
How's that? That's not really much, but it's something.
01:06:28.615 --> 01:06:31.225
Well, no, but that's—I think that works pretty much.
01:06:31.595 --> 01:06:35.445
Hmm. I'm not really a big fan of conspiracy theories because,
yeah,
01:06:36.413 --> 01:06:36.905
growing up—
01:06:36.905 --> 01:06:37.205
If you think
01:06:37.205 --> 01:06:40.959
of one, it could be—it doesn't have to be, again, like who shot
JFK. It could be
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.757
something as goofy as—again, like, I don't know
01:06:44.452 --> 01:06:48.107
that—well, I don't know if this is actually that goofy, but for
example, there's a conspiracy theory going
01:06:48.273 --> 01:06:52.167
around that the oil companies were trying to bury the Digger
movie with Tom Cruise,
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.937
for example. That's one. But anything else you could possibly
think of, just for fun?
01:06:58.017 --> 01:07:01.894
I kind of talked about it in an earlier answer I gave to a
question. But
01:07:02.221 --> 01:07:06.014
I believe that Elon Musk and Starlink were involved in
01:07:06.367 --> 01:07:10.291
actually deliberately changing the voter tally for each
01:07:10.351 --> 01:07:12.634
candidate in swing states. All swing states.
01:07:13.285 --> 01:07:17.024
Okay. Thank you so much. Yeah, that—again, there's a lot of
people
01:07:17.191 --> 01:07:20.406
backing up on that one. That is, again, as a conspiracy theory,
I'd say at this
01:07:20.806 --> 01:07:24.414
point—because there hasn't been enough, but there's a lot of
smoke coming from that
01:07:24.472 --> 01:07:25.614
direction. Hal?
01:07:26.265 --> 01:07:29.664
The biggest one that I can see right now, the one that's having
the most effect, is
01:07:30.616 --> 01:07:33.444
that the Democratic Party has been utterly,
01:07:34.827 --> 01:07:36.744
utterly infiltrated by Democratic Socialists.
01:07:38.260 --> 01:07:41.984
All the Democrats are now Democratic Socialists, and the lizard
people in the
01:07:42.033 --> 01:07:43.744
Republican Party are really upset about that.
01:07:44.654 --> 01:07:45.194
All right, very good.
01:07:47.056 --> 01:07:51.004
My only conspiracy theory that I buy into is that there is
01:07:51.060 --> 01:07:54.834
basically a uniparty. The Democratic Party—the only
01:07:54.963 --> 01:07:58.614
thing they're good at is making sure that there is no progress.
And
01:07:59.367 --> 01:08:03.254
they will win elections and they'll go through things, but if
you're ever thinking
01:08:03.510 --> 01:08:07.274
about trying to reform that party, you will never get through
anything.
01:08:07.753 --> 01:08:11.594
They are always an organized cabal on top of that party. They
will make
01:08:11.818 --> 01:08:15.414
sure that there's no chance in hell that anyone could actually
try to reform anything,
01:08:15.803 --> 01:08:19.659
even in the slightest, in a way that is really amazing. I'm
talking about
01:08:19.799 --> 01:08:23.544
true reforms. I'm talking about anyone who wants to be the next
LBJ, FDR,
01:08:24.415 --> 01:08:28.314
something like that—whatever that comes through, they'll squash
it in the crib pretty fast.
01:08:29.308 --> 01:08:32.718
I wouldn't even say that's much of a conspiracy theory too much,
but again,
01:08:33.208 --> 01:08:37.098
there's people that are behind the scenes working together and
they will
01:08:37.272 --> 01:08:40.918
always make sure that Democrats never kind of go too far afield
01:08:41.235 --> 01:08:44.878
from their Republican counterparts. I feel that the Democratic
and Republican
01:08:45.178 --> 01:08:49.018
parties are basically like the Communist Party of the Soviet
01:08:49.142 --> 01:08:53.038
Union, and it's just—there's a hardliner wing and there's a
reformer wing, but it
01:08:53.128 --> 01:08:53.218
is
01:08:54.771 --> 01:08:58.618
all part of the same bird, man. So that's how I kind of have to
think about
01:08:58.716 --> 01:09:02.578
things when it comes to this. So I guess that's not a fun
conspiracy theory. That's just kind of
01:09:02.662 --> 01:09:05.981
real, right, I guess? There's nothing really—I should talk more
01:09:06.662 --> 01:09:10.551
about—again, JFK was killed because he was going to reveal the
existence of aliens. That should
01:09:10.551 --> 01:09:14.421
be a more fun one to talk about, I guess. On that note, guys,
01:09:14.593 --> 01:09:18.551
thank you so much for our panel. Thank you for joining here this
evening and
01:09:18.619 --> 01:09:22.421
now almost taking up about two hours with this. Guys, anything
you want to
01:09:22.514 --> 01:09:26.389
plug before we step away? Any kind of website or anything to go
01:09:26.529 --> 01:09:27.971
to for people to look you guys up?
01:09:28.211 --> 01:09:31.761
I guess now would be a good time to talk about the recent book
that was
01:09:31.933 --> 01:09:35.221
released, which there's a few of us here that are authors.
01:09:35.701 --> 01:09:39.581
Yep. Again, Maya wrote a couple of appendices here, and then also
Hal did as
01:09:39.704 --> 01:09:43.461
well. So actually, three people who actually wrote the book
01:09:43.607 --> 01:09:47.541
are here. The only one who is missing from this equation—not to
toot our
01:09:47.561 --> 01:09:51.071
own horn, but again—was Irvine Welsh, the author of
01:09:51.124 --> 01:09:55.121
Trainspotting; he did the introduction for the book. So all of us
here, again,
01:09:55.664 --> 01:09:59.551
myself—we wrote a book, The Courage to Secede. That's on Amazon
in the e-book.
01:09:59.871 --> 01:10:03.451
It will be out on paperback in three days, on October
01:10:03.733 --> 01:10:07.231
thirtieth, so again, by the time you hear this broadcast, it will
be available.
01:10:07.493 --> 01:10:11.431
The Courage to Secede is a discussion about California and
independence. It is about why we
01:10:11.516 --> 01:10:15.371
need to leave and what that looks like. So all these things we've
been talking about
01:10:15.517 --> 01:10:18.979
throughout this entire time with this Checkpoint California and
other
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:22.691
publications are on VoteCNP.org, the California National Party
website.
01:10:23.300 --> 01:10:26.922
All that stuff is condensed into one big book, The Courage to
01:10:27.272 --> 01:10:31.006
Secede. Look it up on Amazon. Again, it's myself—again,
01:10:31.006 --> 01:10:34.711
Irvine Welsh wrote the introduction—Hal Lohr here from Red Star
Report, and
01:10:34.999 --> 01:10:38.821
Maya Ram wrote the sections out. And please pick up a copy. It's
a good way
01:10:38.821 --> 01:10:42.781
to explain the California movement, independence, CalExit, et
01:10:42.979 --> 01:10:46.581
cetera. Lays it all out there in one nice format. So
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:48.401
yes. That would be the big thing.
01:10:48.501 --> 01:10:48.861
It's on Kindle Plus.
01:10:49.231 --> 01:10:49.471
What's that?
01:10:50.173 --> 01:10:52.371
It's on Kindle Plus. So—yes, it's—
01:10:52.537 --> 01:10:56.391
On Kindle Plus. Yep. So again, put in Amazon—purchase The Courage
to Secede. Sean
01:10:56.584 --> 01:11:00.511
Forbes, my name—S E A N, F O R B, as a boy. Yes, you'll be able
to find
01:11:00.690 --> 01:11:03.611
it. All right. Well, thank you so much, guys. Appreciate it.
01:11:04.432 --> 01:11:05.131
You're supposed to say,
01:11:05.599 --> 01:11:08.951
Bye-bye. Oh, yeah. Thank you, McLaughlin. Yeah.