OnlyFans model Courtney Clenney’s shocking life behind bars: fights, makeup, contraband, and bullying

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Hey guys,
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uh,
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thanks so much for checking out my show.
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Really,
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really appreciate,
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um,
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everybody for,
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for watching my videos and especially everybody who's subscribed to my channel,
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really helps the channel grow.
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Um,
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there was a lot of people in shock
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when OnlyFans model Courtney Clenney,
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uh,
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who had 2 million followers,
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by the way,
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uh,
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struck a plea deal
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and was sentenced to,
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to 6 years,
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just 6 years in prison.
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After pleading guilty to manslaughter and the stabbing death of her boyfriend
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Christian Abumceli,
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uh,
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and this all happened in
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Miami,
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by the way,
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so this is,
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you guys know I'm like on the road all the time,
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pretty much every week I'm going somewhere,
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but
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you know,
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Miami,
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South Florida is my home base,
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so I was following this
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case very,
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very closely,
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and in this episode,
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I'm going to go through
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all of the jail records involving Clenty behind bars.
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Some of it is
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shocking,
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uh,
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what she is accused of doing behind bars
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could really tell us a lot about who she really is,
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because
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you look at her on Instagram,
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these OnlyFans pictures,
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you kind of see one thing,
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you hear the way her lawyers have tried to portray her,
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you see another thing,
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but when you read and go through all of.
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The jail reports,
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it tells a different story.
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So I'm gonna have more on that
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in a minute and also the um
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the infamous prison where she
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was transferred at least for a moment.
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She's kind of on the move again now it seems within the prison system,
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but
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in Florida,
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but I'm going to get to all of that
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in a minute and that's really the meat of this episode because these jail records.
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Oh my gosh,
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um,
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but first let me give you a little bit of the backstory.
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Uh,
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Clenny was sentenced to,
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to 6 years,
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just 6 years in prison
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as part of the plea deal,
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but got credit for time served,
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so will only be
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in for about
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2 more years,
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um.
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So she's going to be out soon,
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it seems,
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seems,
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and the OnlyFans model was accused of stabbing her boyfriend to death
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in a luxury Miami high rise.
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This was in 2022.
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The,
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the video was very,
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very bloody,
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very,
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very graphic.
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Um,
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just days after Abumceli was killed,
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Klenny was then arrested in Hawaii,
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and she was first charged with second degree murder.
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But that was then pled down to manslaughter,
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and Clenny has long said that that this was self-defense,
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and she has claimed that her boyfriend
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was in fact abusive,
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something that
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has never been proven,
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by the way.
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I mean,
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she has said that he was abusive,
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never seen any real proof of that.
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His family has said that it is flat out not true.
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And when she was interviewed by detectives,
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she said,
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I grabbed the knife and I said,
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Don't come anywhere close to me.
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I have absolutely no intention of using it.
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But prosecutors said
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she ended up murdering him,
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citing evidence of a history of aggression against Abuzeli,
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and aggression that they say was seen in videos.
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And two months before
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he was killed.
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Clenny attacked him in an elevator,
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and as Clendy became enraged,
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Abu Sali threw his hands up in defense and Clenny continued swinging on him,
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and this was all
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caught on video,
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OK?
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And a lot of evidence has come out that shows that the couple
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clearly had a very troubled relationship.
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There was even video from months before
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that showed another previous fight,
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but again,
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sometimes you learn the most about someone when you're watching
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them and they do not know that you're watching,
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and that is why I find these jail records to be
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so,
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so interesting.
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They come from TGK which is like the big Miami jail where Clenny uh was held,
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and if you've been watching my show,
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you know.
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I've had my buddy Ben Ashford on the show before.
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He's a senior reporter at the Daily Mail.
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Um,
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he's really,
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really good at getting jail reports,
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and just like he's really good at public records requests,
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one of the best reporters I know at it because it can be tricky.
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I mean you have to like fight sometimes to get these records,
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and he was able to.
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Get all the records on this case and I want you to hear my full conversation with
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Ben about everything that he was able to to dig up in terms of these jail records.
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I'm joined now by Ben Ashford,
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who is my friend and also a senior reporter with the Daily Mail,
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uh,
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who has been digging into
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the Courtney Clenney
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case,
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especially after the plea deal,
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and we're actually not far from Miami here,
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uh,
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where Courtney Clenney was in the jail for quite some time.
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I,
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I think one of the big questions.
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That I've had since I've been covering this like
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is who really is
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Courtney Cley uh because the prosecution leading
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up to a possible trial which didn't happen
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you know portrayed her really as a killer
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there was that awful body camera video and all sorts of evidence
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but the defense
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has painted her as you know a victim sort of a
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fragile
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blonde,
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you know.
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Petite woman,
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and you got a hold of all of these jail records from Miami that
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I think give us insight into who she really is,
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what do,
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what do they,
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what do they show in terms of like were there complaints about her?
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yeah,
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you're right,
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the the whole strategy
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seemed to be
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to claim she was the victim of domestic violence and,
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you know,
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the
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her boyfriend was much bigger,
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she was
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small and
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very attractive and.
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they tried to almost project this unthinkable idea
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that this beautiful blonde attractive white woman could
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lash out and kill this bigger black guy,
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right?
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that,
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that was
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ultimately gonna be the tactic.
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she pleaded guilty to the manslaughter charge.
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she had been a victim for the 4 years she was in jail,
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she had been victimized and bullied
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move jail cells repeatedly,
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because of this
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terrible ordeal she was having behind bars,
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so I was interested
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to see,
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is,
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is that true?
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so.
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The first sort of interesting thing about the jail records is she she was,
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she was moved 12 times between different cells.
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So there was a lot going on.
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so we've got these two big
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um troves of documents.
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there was a lot of,
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what shall I say,
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argy-bargy dust-ups in in the the jail.
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But a lot of that was of her instigating.
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was at the center of
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multiple like verbal
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altercations,
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very much giving as good as she was getting,
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she was threatening people,
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she was.
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accused of harassment and bullying by other inmates.
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spilled over into actual violence.
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there was an incident in the shower where she was squaring up to another
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lady.
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and they never actually had a fight,
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I guess squaring up would be like just
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getting some English.
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no,
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that's what I think it said into the report too.
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It said that they were prepared to engage in a fight.
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I think that's what it said.
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and you know,
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our attitude towards
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the guards was equally bad.
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she was,
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she was abusive to them.
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she just came across as
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being kind of angry,
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having a short temper,
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ready to sort of lash out.
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to,
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to be fair to her,
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I guess there wasn't an instance where
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she was actually violent or attacked someone or
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was hit with,
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you know,
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fresh criminal charges or something like that.
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was of her continually in.
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Trouble and issues in the jail,
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I guess she would have argued that she was
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being victimized and picked on because she was,
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she was famous.
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She introduced a race element into lots of her complaints because
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she said that the the jail in Miami was predominantly black,
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and she was white,
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she was also accused of killing a black man.
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So um.
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Overall it's a very interesting picture of what happened behind bars,
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but I certainly didn't come away thinking
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she was the victim,
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she was this petite,
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um,
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innocent,
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demure young lady who was,
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you know,
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always the person being picked on and in
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many of the instances
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she was the person instigating.
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And quite nasty behavior.
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Yeah,
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and there's like some quotes and specifics from the reports in terms of,
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I guess starting out with
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some of her issues with other inmates.
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Yeah.
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Did they ever report her or how did that come up?
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So there would be these incidents and then they'd be
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the supervisors or the guards would would write them up
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and you would get differing accounts of
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the people involved.
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Very often actually they didn't really result in
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any serious
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punishment.
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Because
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the people would then,
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after they had initially complained,
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they wouldn't give a statement.
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So I guess they'd come to the conclusion that they didn't wanna
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formally kind of grass or,
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you know,
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move forward with disciplinary stuff.
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But I,
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I'll give you a few examples if I may.
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So.
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Um
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There was one incident where
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she had,
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well I'll I'll,
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I'll read you what the,
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the other person claimed.
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Um,
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this has obviously happened in a sort of communal area.
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There seem to be a lot of
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tension and arguments about the use of the phones.
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They come up all the time,
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like people would
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threaten her.
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Uh,
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sorry,
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she would threaten people for taking too long on the phone.
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Um,
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so
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this,
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uh,
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other inmate wrote,
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Courtney
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walked up on me aggressively,
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backing me up into the corner,
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screaming,
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you are lowlife
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N-word.
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I should push you out this wheelchair
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and break your other ankle.
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I'm so tired of all you black N-word,
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I don't know what to do.
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So
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you know,
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wow,
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yeah,
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pretty explosive.
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A woman in a wheelchair,
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she was saying that.
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I mean I don't see why the report would refer to the wheelchair if yeah
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um.
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I'll give you another one,
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so.
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She had claimed obviously in,
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you got the sense from listening to her lawyer that
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she was,
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you know,
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this isolated victim,
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but this this other uh disciplinary report almost suggests that
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she was
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almost part of a little gang or at least a clique
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behind bars.
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So
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uh this other report
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involves 33 inmates mimicking gunshots and making sexual
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gestures.
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And it turns out that this inmate was also pregnant.
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Um,
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and she wrote in an initial,
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um,
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form she filled out that
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Clenny and 3 others
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came to my cell door making sexual gestures,
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advances of sucking,
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uh DICK,
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flirtatious gestures,
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gestures,
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slapping their butts in brackets,
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buttocks at me.
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This is a continuous matter that occurs when they get out of their cell.
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I am now having severe trepidation,
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brackets,
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fear of my life,
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and unborn child's life.
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Please keep us safe.
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So that's pretty
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typical of
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these incidents.
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So
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I don't know whether you could call that gang behavior,
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but you know,
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gun fingers and
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what do you call this,
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like twerking or rump shaking or something just designed to intimidate and um.
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I think in that instance,
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the lady who made the complaint.
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Didn't move forward with it and,
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and actually the,
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the inmates doing the gun fingers,
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uh,
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if I remember correctly,
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they,
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they,
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they gave their version of events.
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They said this woman was crazy and she was making it up and she was picking on people.
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So there's always two sides to this,
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um.
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But yeah,
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there I mean and there were other things,
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let me think of some other stuff.
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So for example,
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she was caught with contraband a few times.
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And some of it was absolutely bizarre.
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So
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unauthorized clothing,
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so I don't know how you get unauthorized clothing in in jail,
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but I guess she collects stuff from other people.
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But
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um fiber packets.
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So I guess these are are soluble fiber packets.
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She hoarded
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over 20 packets of this soluble fiber now.
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I don't know whether
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she had
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stomach problems or
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uh I it was suggested to me actually have a
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contact to.
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Who was in
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not this jail,
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but a different one,
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and I asked her about the
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why would you hoard fiber packets and.
448
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Apparently one of the reasons you might do that is
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so you can control when you go to the toilet,
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because
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when you're in the,
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You know,
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the,
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the toilet blocks,
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the bathrooms,
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that's when you might be
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subject to an ambush or you might get into a fight.
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So that was just one theory that maybe
459
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they hoard the fiber to sort of,
460
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you know,
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so they don't have to keep going to the toilet.
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That's strange.
463
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I had no idea.
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Yeah,
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yeah,
466
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very weird.
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I mean,
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we'll never know,
469
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but that was,
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that was what was suggested to me.
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Did she get in trouble
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for any of this?
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Like you mentioned some of the other people then wouldn't cooperate.
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Or is that why she was moved so many times?
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So what they would do in
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after most of these incidents is,
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is,
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um.
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I'm not sure what it's formally called,
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but like a keep separate order.
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So they would move her
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or I think in the instance of the pregnant lady,
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they moved the pregnant lady.
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So they would move them around and keep them out of contact with one another.
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She certainly did get
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punishments on a few times,
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so normally things like losing her privileges
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or her ability to,
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you know,
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buy stuff.
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Um,
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but she was never like she never faced an assault charge or something like that,
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so I guess it's important to keep it in context.
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It was,
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it was really like
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brattish,
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nasty,
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bullying,
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that kind of stuff,
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but
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there wasn't any account where she had
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like physically lashed out or attacked someone.
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Yeah TGK so I used to work in local news in Miami and I would
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go to TGK like all the time because that's that's the main jail in Miami
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and that's where most people would go when they
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got arrested and then when they would bond out
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me and all the other local reporters you would wait outside and they would come out
508
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the same door every time and then we would chase them through the parking lot,
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different kinds of stories so I've spent a lot of time.
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At TGK
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and
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my viewers might remember I don't know if you remember this story,
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the last story I did at TGK actually for the podcast was the woman who
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became pregnant in TGK do you remember that story?
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It was crazy
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yeah and they actually um and if you guys I'll link it below but
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they uh
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it was a very unusual story because
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this other inmate sent sperm through the.
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Like walls essentially,
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um,
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and she then
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claims that she was able to
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get pregnant with that,
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which there's still like a lot of people who don't believe the full story,
526
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but she did get pregnant behind bars and it's a very strange thing,
527
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but that was also TGK so there's a lot of crazy stuff
528
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that happens at TGK it's a big jail right near the airport.
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So
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let,
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let me just give you
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one thing I didn't mention is we talked about the inmates,
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but
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she wasn't,
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she,
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she,
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her attitude.
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Towards the staff was,
539
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was,
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well,
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that's what I was gonna ask you,
542
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yeah,
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she just,
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so she,
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so she had issues with the inmates,
546
00:16:00.539 --> 00:16:02.909
but what was like her relationship like with the staff?
547
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Well,
548
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it was routinely,
549
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I mean,
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I,
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I've got a snapshot of 4 years,
552
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so,
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so you got 4 years of records years worth of records,
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and these are,
555
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so she could have got on with them great for the majority of the time,
556
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but there were numerous flare-ups,
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so.
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I'm gonna give you an example.
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I,
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this is something she did receive a disciplinary punishment for.
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Um
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she was.
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Annoyed that the guard had not opened her cell door
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quickly enough,
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like she wanted to go and use the phone,
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I think.
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So she said,
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she was described
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as being aggressive,
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screaming at the top of her lungs,
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and she,
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she yelled,
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uh pop my door,
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bitch.
575
00:16:45.390 --> 00:16:48.750
You dumb ass hoes need to learn how to do your job,
576
00:16:48.869 --> 00:16:50.390
stupid bitch.
577
00:16:50.950 --> 00:16:51.530
um.
578
00:16:52.030 --> 00:16:52.869
And she wasn't,
579
00:16:53.169 --> 00:16:55.780
she didn't show much contrition because when
580
00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.909
the supervisor asked her about it,
581
00:16:59.400 --> 00:16:59.780
she
582
00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.599
called the officer a liar.
583
00:17:02.099 --> 00:17:02.820
And said,
584
00:17:03.070 --> 00:17:04.339
I did not say that,
585
00:17:04.550 --> 00:17:06.979
but now I'm saying you're a stupid bitch.
586
00:17:07.348 --> 00:17:07.848
So
587
00:17:07.949 --> 00:17:09.140
this was to the jailer,
588
00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:11.209
to the to to the to the guard
589
00:17:11.868 --> 00:17:13.339
because she wouldn't pop the door open.
590
00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:13.709
Yeah,
591
00:17:13.829 --> 00:17:15.329
cos she wouldn't get the and
592
00:17:15.868 --> 00:17:16.189
she,
593
00:17:16.310 --> 00:17:17.969
she was written up for
594
00:17:18.270 --> 00:17:20.229
refusing to follow instructions,
595
00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:21.630
refusing to get off the phone,
596
00:17:21.689 --> 00:17:23.069
refusing to go back to herself.
597
00:17:23.348 --> 00:17:24.750
So she just had like a surly,
598
00:17:24.829 --> 00:17:27.589
stroppy attitude is the impression you get.
599
00:17:27.939 --> 00:17:27.949
Um,
600
00:17:28.420 --> 00:17:30.599
but it was very antagonistic because
601
00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:32.099
some of the guards.
602
00:17:33.209 --> 00:17:34.060
Wound her up.
603
00:17:34.390 --> 00:17:35.469
Some of the guards,
604
00:17:36.369 --> 00:17:38.239
there was one instance I think where a guard was,
605
00:17:38.310 --> 00:17:39.849
was told off being unprofessional,
606
00:17:39.930 --> 00:17:40.609
but for example,
607
00:17:40.689 --> 00:17:41.170
when
608
00:17:41.410 --> 00:17:43.829
there was a show on the CW that
609
00:17:44.209 --> 00:17:45.869
went out about her case
610
00:17:46.290 --> 00:17:46.770
and one of the,
611
00:17:46.890 --> 00:17:48.089
I think I was actually in that show,
612
00:17:48.530 --> 00:17:49.219
I was,
613
00:17:49.290 --> 00:17:49.439
yeah,
614
00:17:49.650 --> 00:17:50.329
and the CW,
615
00:17:50.530 --> 00:17:50.729
yeah,
616
00:17:50.810 --> 00:17:51.650
oh that's crazy.
617
00:17:52.089 --> 00:17:52.099
OK,
618
00:17:52.130 --> 00:17:53.150
so when that
619
00:17:53.410 --> 00:17:54.270
was someone's,
620
00:17:54.369 --> 00:17:55.099
when that was,
621
00:17:55.449 --> 00:17:55.890
I don't know,
622
00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:57.449
showed on TV in the jail,
623
00:17:57.579 --> 00:17:58.160
one of the,
624
00:17:58.280 --> 00:17:59.599
the guards like went and.
625
00:18:00.280 --> 00:18:01.790
Ask for her autograph,
626
00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:02.349
really?
627
00:18:02.439 --> 00:18:02.630
Yeah,
628
00:18:02.869 --> 00:18:02.979
to,
629
00:18:03.069 --> 00:18:03.839
to sort of like,
630
00:18:03.989 --> 00:18:04.520
I guess,
631
00:18:04.780 --> 00:18:06.050
mock or tease her.
632
00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:06.859
Oh,
633
00:18:06.949 --> 00:18:09.390
like not like being like kind of facetious about it,
634
00:18:09.500 --> 00:18:09.790
yeah,
635
00:18:09.949 --> 00:18:10.109
yeah,
636
00:18:10.229 --> 00:18:11.250
and there was,
637
00:18:11.790 --> 00:18:13.530
she complained quite a few times about
638
00:18:13.750 --> 00:18:16.369
the guards making rude comments to her,
639
00:18:16.589 --> 00:18:16.989
so.
640
00:18:18.569 --> 00:18:20.089
Was any of that substantiated?
641
00:18:20.250 --> 00:18:20.410
Like,
642
00:18:20.489 --> 00:18:21.010
did they,
643
00:18:21.449 --> 00:18:21.650
did you,
644
00:18:21.729 --> 00:18:22.189
could you tell?
645
00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:22.569
There were,
646
00:18:22.650 --> 00:18:23.479
I think there was an in,
647
00:18:23.530 --> 00:18:24.150
I think
648
00:18:24.890 --> 00:18:25.119
the,
649
00:18:25.250 --> 00:18:26.209
if I remember correctly,
650
00:18:26.469 --> 00:18:27.250
so there's a lot of doctors,
651
00:18:27.290 --> 00:18:28.430
but the autograph
652
00:18:28.569 --> 00:18:29.089
incident,
653
00:18:29.170 --> 00:18:30.910
I think the response was
654
00:18:31.449 --> 00:18:32.170
because these,
655
00:18:32.689 --> 00:18:34.430
these complaints get assessed,
656
00:18:35.089 --> 00:18:36.439
and the guard had said like,
657
00:18:36.449 --> 00:18:37.930
I have no idea who you are.
658
00:18:37.989 --> 00:18:39.290
I've got no interest in,
659
00:18:39.369 --> 00:18:39.770
you know,
660
00:18:40.050 --> 00:18:41.489
you being famous,
661
00:18:41.729 --> 00:18:43.689
and I think that one was dismissed.
662
00:18:44.040 --> 00:18:44.489
There was an,
663
00:18:44.750 --> 00:18:44.810
there,
664
00:18:44.930 --> 00:18:46.640
there were occasions where people
665
00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:48.979
Made comments about her appearance,
666
00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:50.380
I think we're gonna come onto those,
667
00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:50.880
but
668
00:18:51.459 --> 00:18:51.939
those,
669
00:18:52.260 --> 00:18:53.699
I think there was at least one instance where
670
00:18:53.699 --> 00:18:56.219
a guard was like warned about being unprofessional,
671
00:18:56.339 --> 00:18:56.650
but
672
00:18:57.140 --> 00:19:01.290
from what I could tell there wasn't any serious action taken in relation to,
673
00:19:01.459 --> 00:19:01.660
you know,
674
00:19:01.739 --> 00:19:02.609
her complaints.
675
00:19:02.780 --> 00:19:03.619
What about makeup,
676
00:19:03.729 --> 00:19:05.380
did she want makeup behind bars?
677
00:19:05.459 --> 00:19:05.619
Yeah,
678
00:19:05.760 --> 00:19:06.760
so this is
679
00:19:07.619 --> 00:19:08.089
some of the,
680
00:19:08.189 --> 00:19:08.420
the,
681
00:19:08.500 --> 00:19:08.979
the.
682
00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.829
Interesting parts of the files involve things that she complained about,
683
00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:13.040
right,
684
00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:13.540
so
685
00:19:14.140 --> 00:19:16.199
most of the things I've described so far were
686
00:19:16.199 --> 00:19:19.660
disciplinary actions and reports written up by other people.
687
00:19:20.849 --> 00:19:24.709
And she had filed quite a few complaints about the jail,
688
00:19:25.050 --> 00:19:27.209
so I think what you're referring to is.
689
00:19:27.819 --> 00:19:27.829
She,
690
00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:29.339
you know,
691
00:19:29.420 --> 00:19:29.959
she had
692
00:19:30.260 --> 00:19:31.560
more than 2 million
693
00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:32.459
followers.
694
00:19:32.619 --> 00:19:34.540
She had OnlyFans Instagram.
695
00:19:34.979 --> 00:19:35.780
She was this,
696
00:19:35.859 --> 00:19:36.319
you know,
697
00:19:36.699 --> 00:19:37.599
hot girl,
698
00:19:38.239 --> 00:19:38.880
um,
699
00:19:38.890 --> 00:19:39.959
a model,
700
00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.079
and she,
701
00:19:41.140 --> 00:19:41.459
it,
702
00:19:41.619 --> 00:19:42.239
you can
703
00:19:42.500 --> 00:19:43.819
get the sense and the
704
00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:47.099
her complaints that she was seething about not being able to
705
00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:50.780
maintain her image and her level of glamour behind bars.
706
00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:51.260
So
707
00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:56.079
at one stage she actually complained that she couldn't get access to makeup.
708
00:19:56.800 --> 00:19:57.500
Um
709
00:19:58.660 --> 00:19:59.969
And what she's
710
00:20:00.670 --> 00:20:01.630
Let me find the quote.
711
00:20:01.869 --> 00:20:02.030
She,
712
00:20:02.150 --> 00:20:02.380
she,
713
00:20:02.510 --> 00:20:07.270
she wrote that access to makeup basics can make a difference in appearance,
714
00:20:07.390 --> 00:20:09.150
perception in court.
715
00:20:09.550 --> 00:20:10.729
And the wider
716
00:20:11.069 --> 00:20:14.150
complaint was her basically saying that I'm a high profile person,
717
00:20:14.229 --> 00:20:15.650
I've gotta look good
718
00:20:16.229 --> 00:20:17.369
when I
719
00:20:17.630 --> 00:20:20.750
appear in public and I need to have makeup to do that.
720
00:20:21.030 --> 00:20:22.020
So she wanted makeup.
721
00:20:22.229 --> 00:20:22.989
She wanted makeup,
722
00:20:23.060 --> 00:20:26.069
and another thing she complained repeatedly about was her uniform.
723
00:20:26.390 --> 00:20:28.290
She complained that she was so.
724
00:20:28.729 --> 00:20:29.849
Anyone who's seen her picture,
725
00:20:29.969 --> 00:20:31.250
she's a very like curvaceous,
726
00:20:31.290 --> 00:20:32.030
buxom
727
00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:32.959
woman.
728
00:20:33.089 --> 00:20:34.050
OnlyFans type,
729
00:20:34.170 --> 00:20:34.500
yeah,
730
00:20:34.959 --> 00:20:39.030
appearing on her page in like bikinis and doesn't leave much to the imagination.
731
00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:40.380
And yet she was
732
00:20:40.729 --> 00:20:41.569
given the,
733
00:20:41.650 --> 00:20:41.849
you know,
734
00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:42.209
the,
735
00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:42.479
the,
736
00:20:42.689 --> 00:20:44.640
the standard issue jail tracksuit.
737
00:20:44.849 --> 00:20:48.229
But she repeatedly went to them and complained that it wasn't tight enough,
738
00:20:48.890 --> 00:20:50.449
that it was falling off her hips,
739
00:20:50.530 --> 00:20:52.209
that it wasn't figure hugging.
740
00:20:52.689 --> 00:20:55.390
So I mean that sounds to me like she,
741
00:20:55.770 --> 00:20:55.969
you know,
742
00:20:56.089 --> 00:20:57.170
she wants to be sexy,
743
00:20:57.250 --> 00:20:58.410
she wants to look good.
744
00:20:58.959 --> 00:20:59.160
Uh,
745
00:20:59.239 --> 00:21:00.239
even behind bars,
746
00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:00.989
so she's,
747
00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.699
she's still focusing on
748
00:21:03.239 --> 00:21:04.400
being glamorous,
749
00:21:04.800 --> 00:21:05.760
being good looking,
750
00:21:05.829 --> 00:21:07.699
and worrying about what she looks like
751
00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:08.709
when she's,
752
00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:09.040
you know,
753
00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:09.800
locked up,
754
00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:11.199
potentially awaiting,
755
00:21:11.209 --> 00:21:11.329
uh,
756
00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:12.469
at that stage a,
757
00:21:12.479 --> 00:21:15.040
a murder trial and life behind bars.
758
00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.530
So she was complaining about her,
759
00:21:18.239 --> 00:21:18.780
her
760
00:21:19.459 --> 00:21:21.300
jail outfit not being tight enough.
761
00:21:21.709 --> 00:21:21.839
Yeah,
762
00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:22.349
so it,
763
00:21:22.449 --> 00:21:22.699
it,
764
00:21:23.040 --> 00:21:26.130
it was kind of a slight contradiction in terms because she,
765
00:21:26.199 --> 00:21:28.079
she asked several times for tighter.
766
00:21:28.750 --> 00:21:29.969
Jail outfits
767
00:21:30.550 --> 00:21:31.910
and the guards would.
768
00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:33.020
Well,
769
00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:35.280
one of the guards responded.
770
00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:39.280
We don't need to see all that thickness.
771
00:21:39.500 --> 00:21:40.900
You've gained a lot of weight.
772
00:21:42.560 --> 00:21:43.150
So,
773
00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:43.680
um,
774
00:21:43.719 --> 00:21:44.469
the guard said this,
775
00:21:44.589 --> 00:21:45.689
the guard said that.
776
00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:46.569
And
777
00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.099
she then
778
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.880
complained that that was body shaming and sexualizing her.
779
00:21:53.239 --> 00:21:54.500
So she brought it up
780
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.479
and when they,
781
00:21:55.560 --> 00:21:55.910
I guess,
782
00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:57.300
teased her or mocked her,
783
00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.060
she then complained that she was
784
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.119
being picked on because of her body.
785
00:22:02.239 --> 00:22:02.560
So
786
00:22:02.760 --> 00:22:04.880
she also complained repeatedly that I,
787
00:22:04.959 --> 00:22:05.239
I,
788
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.400
I said this at the outset,
789
00:22:06.439 --> 00:22:08.699
that she was targeted because of her race.
790
00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.160
So she continually said things about um.
791
00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.420
It is obvious I'm being targeted due to my body type,
792
00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:17.219
my race,
793
00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:17.920
or both.
794
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.599
So that was a reoccurring theme,
795
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.880
like I'm being picked on by other inmates
796
00:22:22.109 --> 00:22:24.739
but also guards er because of my
797
00:22:25.239 --> 00:22:26.099
my race.
798
00:22:26.479 --> 00:22:26.959
And of course,
799
00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:28.380
I don't know if you saw the
800
00:22:28.760 --> 00:22:31.459
the footage of her in court when she finally
801
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:32.560
pleaded guilty,
802
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:33.839
which was a surprise.
803
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.439
She looked completely different.
804
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:36.880
I mean,
805
00:22:36.989 --> 00:22:38.640
she looked matronly.
806
00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:40.109
She looked older.
807
00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:40.959
She had,
808
00:22:41.390 --> 00:22:41.400
no,
809
00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:41.619
she,
810
00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:42.680
her hair wasn't even blonde,
811
00:22:42.760 --> 00:22:43.189
was it?
812
00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:43.439
Yeah,
813
00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:43.750
I mean,
814
00:22:43.829 --> 00:22:46.880
it was obviously peroxide blonde when she was at her pomp,
815
00:22:47.239 --> 00:22:48.500
but it had become a kind of
816
00:22:48.670 --> 00:22:49.300
mousy,
817
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:49.959
gingery,
818
00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:50.939
frizzy,
819
00:22:51.439 --> 00:22:52.540
unkempt,
820
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:53.569
um,
821
00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:54.560
you know,
822
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:55.380
the big
823
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.420
uniform clearly
824
00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:58.500
didn't show off her
825
00:22:59.829 --> 00:23:00.229
body whether she,
826
00:23:00.479 --> 00:23:02.560
she did look like she was a bit heavier to me,
827
00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:02.979
but
828
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:03.880
Uh,
829
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:04.400
but she,
830
00:23:04.520 --> 00:23:06.500
she looked nothing like the svelte.
831
00:23:07.209 --> 00:23:07.410
You know,
832
00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:08.380
sex part,
833
00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:09.630
beauty that
834
00:23:09.969 --> 00:23:11.229
millions of people had
835
00:23:11.369 --> 00:23:13.550
paid to see taking her clothes off.
836
00:23:13.650 --> 00:23:14.469
I mean she,
837
00:23:15.170 --> 00:23:16.270
she looked completely different.
838
00:23:16.729 --> 00:23:18.069
It's interesting the guard
839
00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:19.030
insulted her,
840
00:23:19.449 --> 00:23:21.430
which also reminds me back to my days
841
00:23:21.729 --> 00:23:22.410
working in local.
842
00:23:22.530 --> 00:23:26.430
There was a lot of drama at TGK we would call it the jail there.
843
00:23:26.760 --> 00:23:26.979
Uh,
844
00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:27.810
with the guards,
845
00:23:27.869 --> 00:23:28.329
I mean they,
846
00:23:28.369 --> 00:23:30.250
they were always getting into trouble I think they still are,
847
00:23:30.329 --> 00:23:31.520
they get into trouble,
848
00:23:31.810 --> 00:23:31.930
you know,
849
00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:33.040
it doesn't pay that well,
850
00:23:33.089 --> 00:23:33.670
so they would
851
00:23:33.930 --> 00:23:36.810
do things to make extra money and bring contraband in,
852
00:23:36.819 --> 00:23:37.290
and
853
00:23:37.530 --> 00:23:39.729
there was always some kind of crazy story from there,
854
00:23:39.770 --> 00:23:41.489
so it doesn't really surprise me that
855
00:23:41.810 --> 00:23:42.349
maybe
856
00:23:42.449 --> 00:23:43.920
they were egging it on a little bit.
857
00:23:44.050 --> 00:23:44.180
Oh,
858
00:23:44.290 --> 00:23:45.130
certainly like they,
859
00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:45.560
they,
860
00:23:45.810 --> 00:23:47.869
there were clearly a few occasions where they were
861
00:23:48.250 --> 00:23:49.449
like winding her up.
862
00:23:50.219 --> 00:23:50.910
And as I say,
863
00:23:50.989 --> 00:23:51.150
I,
864
00:23:51.229 --> 00:23:51.869
I think the,
865
00:23:51.949 --> 00:23:53.329
the thickness comment,
866
00:23:53.910 --> 00:23:55.219
if I recall correctly,
867
00:23:55.270 --> 00:23:55.819
was
868
00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:58.469
where the guard was reminded to be,
869
00:23:58.550 --> 00:23:58.750
you know,
870
00:23:59.069 --> 00:24:00.130
professional and
871
00:24:00.390 --> 00:24:02.550
not inappropriate when talking to inmates.
872
00:24:02.829 --> 00:24:06.770
But it doesn't sound like overall she was just keeping to herself and just being
873
00:24:07.250 --> 00:24:08.030
following all the rules.
874
00:24:08.060 --> 00:24:09.829
I mean she sounds like she had an attitude on her.
875
00:24:09.989 --> 00:24:10.650
Like you said,
876
00:24:10.910 --> 00:24:13.689
when you think about the way the defense was trying to portray her,
877
00:24:14.229 --> 00:24:14.510
uh,
878
00:24:14.520 --> 00:24:15.530
this seems
879
00:24:15.739 --> 00:24:16.459
a little different.
880
00:24:16.589 --> 00:24:16.910
Well.
881
00:24:18.199 --> 00:24:18.650
As I say,
882
00:24:18.770 --> 00:24:20.089
she was she was
883
00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:23.410
staring at a potential life sentence which she was worried about
884
00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:24.599
the way she looked.
885
00:24:24.890 --> 00:24:25.650
But it wasn't just that.
886
00:24:25.729 --> 00:24:26.569
So in her,
887
00:24:26.849 --> 00:24:27.310
in her,
888
00:24:27.489 --> 00:24:27.910
uh,
889
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.189
complaints or grievances she filed,
890
00:24:30.810 --> 00:24:33.290
there was incredibly like petty stuff,
891
00:24:33.410 --> 00:24:35.520
like really entitled petty stuff,
892
00:24:35.530 --> 00:24:35.849
so.
893
00:24:36.949 --> 00:24:41.829
She several times demanded refunds for a packet of Doritos,
894
00:24:41.869 --> 00:24:42.699
I think on one occasion,
895
00:24:42.790 --> 00:24:44.280
another time at Ruffles,
896
00:24:44.550 --> 00:24:46.609
like chips not coming out of the
897
00:24:46.780 --> 00:24:47.640
vending machine.
898
00:24:47.790 --> 00:24:50.369
She was continually complaining about the vending machine.
899
00:24:51.189 --> 00:24:52.969
She complained about the Wi Fi,
900
00:24:53.550 --> 00:24:53.709
not,
901
00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:54.869
not to surf the net,
902
00:24:54.910 --> 00:24:56.349
but to do her video calls.
903
00:24:56.430 --> 00:24:56.589
Yeah,
904
00:24:56.709 --> 00:24:57.989
she said they were breaking up or something,
905
00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:58.010
yeah.
906
00:24:59.069 --> 00:24:59.489
She
907
00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:02.770
complained that the halal food was not to her liking.
908
00:25:03.560 --> 00:25:06.420
I don't think she is a Muslim because she also complained about
909
00:25:06.760 --> 00:25:08.579
not being able to read her Bible.
910
00:25:08.959 --> 00:25:09.579
Um,
911
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:11.800
she complained about the bedding,
912
00:25:11.959 --> 00:25:12.300
uh,
913
00:25:12.310 --> 00:25:13.699
moldy bread.
914
00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:18.420
She complained about not being able to buy batteries to listen to music all the time.
915
00:25:18.979 --> 00:25:22.359
So it seems like she wanted to sort of maintain a kind of regular
916
00:25:23.020 --> 00:25:26.699
life behind bars and didn't really appreciate that,
917
00:25:26.979 --> 00:25:27.219
you know,
918
00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:30.060
that's what jail and being imprisoned is about.
919
00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:32.640
It's about being excluded from like those
920
00:25:32.810 --> 00:25:33.569
privileges,
921
00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:33.869
but.
922
00:25:34.719 --> 00:25:35.949
There was a quote that.
923
00:25:37.390 --> 00:25:38.150
Says it all really,
924
00:25:38.209 --> 00:25:38.430
you know,
925
00:25:38.550 --> 00:25:38.930
it,
926
00:25:39.219 --> 00:25:41.229
I think that she was complaining about not being able to order
927
00:25:41.229 --> 00:25:45.109
the book she wanted and she said this in very sort of grandiose
928
00:25:45.550 --> 00:25:48.250
style like you imagine like a hunger strike or
929
00:25:48.550 --> 00:25:50.510
Nelson Mandela saying something like this.
930
00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:52.530
We are not animals in a cage,
931
00:25:52.739 --> 00:25:55.390
but rather human beings with rights.
932
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:56.729
So she,
933
00:25:56.859 --> 00:25:57.020
yeah,
934
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.099
it sounds different than some of her other quotes about n-word this and you know.
935
00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:02.479
Um,
936
00:26:02.650 --> 00:26:03.619
so TGK
937
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:06.719
is the jail where you would be when you're awaiting
938
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:07.530
trial.
939
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:08.890
It's a county jail,
940
00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:09.640
so,
941
00:26:09.719 --> 00:26:10.270
um,
942
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:12.439
that's where she was for all that time.
943
00:26:12.719 --> 00:26:15.400
But then once you take a plea deal or you get sentenced,
944
00:26:15.439 --> 00:26:16.619
you go into the state
945
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:17.900
prison system,
946
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.469
like a more permanent location that's not run by the county,
947
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.280
which is what's happening with her now,
948
00:26:23.380 --> 00:26:23.540
right?
949
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.300
She's leaving
950
00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:25.670
where she's,
951
00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:26.729
she's now in the,
952
00:26:26.800 --> 00:26:27.750
the state system.
953
00:26:27.790 --> 00:26:28.589
She's in Ocala
954
00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:31.319
in um a prison camp.
955
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.560
In a prison work camp
956
00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:34.900
in uh
957
00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:37.359
it's called the Lau work camp I believe.
958
00:26:37.560 --> 00:26:38.489
So she was sent there,
959
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:39.459
she's sent there
960
00:26:39.719 --> 00:26:40.260
um
961
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.020
it's a medium security.
962
00:26:43.670 --> 00:26:44.449
But I guess
963
00:26:45.189 --> 00:26:46.630
she's convicted of manslaughter,
964
00:26:46.709 --> 00:26:47.849
she's got 2 years left,
965
00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:48.630
so.
966
00:26:49.479 --> 00:26:51.760
I don't know if that's particularly outrageous.
967
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:52.449
Um,
968
00:26:52.689 --> 00:26:53.630
is it a big camp?
969
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:53.939
I mean,
970
00:26:53.979 --> 00:26:54.640
when you say camp,
971
00:26:54.760 --> 00:26:55.550
do we know much about it?
972
00:26:55.670 --> 00:26:57.420
is a major women's
973
00:26:57.719 --> 00:26:58.260
prison,
974
00:26:58.640 --> 00:26:59.640
quite a notorious one,
975
00:26:59.719 --> 00:27:01.619
I think it's the biggest in the US,
976
00:27:01.959 --> 00:27:04.540
but the work camp is like a smaller satellite
977
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:05.420
off,
978
00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:07.800
off the main Laos campus,
979
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:08.400
I believe.
980
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.000
So she's got 2 years left.
981
00:27:11.750 --> 00:27:12.689
Um,
982
00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:15.150
I think she has to serve 2 years and then I,
983
00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:15.790
I'm not sure,
984
00:27:15.829 --> 00:27:17.569
5 or 6 years' probation.
985
00:27:19.199 --> 00:27:21.439
Interesting thing that I heard cos we actually asked,
986
00:27:21.780 --> 00:27:25.420
we reached out to her attorney and asked if we could interview her and.
987
00:27:26.219 --> 00:27:27.369
We were told it wasn't possible.
988
00:27:27.449 --> 00:27:28.219
Interview Courtney,
989
00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:28.859
plenty,
990
00:27:28.979 --> 00:27:29.239
yeah.
991
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.599
So from what I had heard that
992
00:27:32.219 --> 00:27:32.800
she
993
00:27:33.260 --> 00:27:33.920
has,
994
00:27:34.339 --> 00:27:36.739
there have been multiple attempts to get.
995
00:27:37.430 --> 00:27:39.329
Intervieees into
996
00:27:39.949 --> 00:27:41.170
jail or
997
00:27:41.439 --> 00:27:42.949
it would have been the jail because that's where she
998
00:27:42.949 --> 00:27:45.310
was to do like sit down interviews with her,
999
00:27:45.390 --> 00:27:48.530
so I think she's been trying to do media interviews,
1000
00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:51.000
and the authorities in Miami
1001
00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:52.130
said no,
1002
00:27:52.709 --> 00:27:52.989
but.
1003
00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:57.119
What that says to me is she's still thinking about.
1004
00:27:57.729 --> 00:27:59.010
I'm a famous person,
1005
00:27:59.290 --> 00:28:00.709
I've got a story to tell.
1006
00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:01.599
I don't know,
1007
00:28:01.689 --> 00:28:03.810
maybe people have sympathy for me.
1008
00:28:04.670 --> 00:28:06.410
She she clearly still wants the limelight,
1009
00:28:06.449 --> 00:28:06.599
right?
1010
00:28:06.729 --> 00:28:07.930
She's still trying to do media,
1011
00:28:07.969 --> 00:28:09.089
but she hasn't been able to.
1012
00:28:09.130 --> 00:28:11.849
I don't know if that will change in the Florida state system
1013
00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:15.489
and she'll be allowed to have a TV crew crew go in there,
1014
00:28:15.569 --> 00:28:16.880
but from what I understand,
1015
00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:18.750
that's been the plan to get
1016
00:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.569
probably TV and in behind bars to like tell her story,
1017
00:28:22.689 --> 00:28:22.849
you know,
1018
00:28:22.969 --> 00:28:24.069
she just wants to be famous.
1019
00:28:24.170 --> 00:28:24.810
She wants
1020
00:28:25.130 --> 00:28:26.290
followers and.
1021
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.119
You know,
1022
00:28:27.219 --> 00:28:27.359
the,
1023
00:28:27.439 --> 00:28:28.500
the pattern of her
1024
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.760
behavior hasn't really changed.
1025
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:31.199
Yeah,
1026
00:28:31.280 --> 00:28:32.459
I haven't seen anyone
1027
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.880
be allowed to do an interview at TGK where she was.
1028
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:37.630
Like every time I would interview someone,
1029
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.189
it would have to be over the phone and they would almost be like kind of sneaking.
1030
00:28:40.199 --> 00:28:41.780
It would just be like a regular phone call.
1031
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:42.599
I don't,
1032
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:42.800
I mean,
1033
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:43.569
I don't know if you remember.
1034
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.079
I don't remember very many Florida prison interviews either.
1035
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:47.469
I don't know that Florida,
1036
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:47.910
I,
1037
00:28:47.959 --> 00:28:48.130
I,
1038
00:28:48.959 --> 00:28:49.880
there have been some,
1039
00:28:49.959 --> 00:28:50.260
but.
1040
00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:51.619
I don't think it's like,
1041
00:28:51.739 --> 00:28:51.939
you know,
1042
00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:53.939
there's been some states where it's been relatively
1043
00:28:53.939 --> 00:28:55.489
easy when I've tried to do prison interviews,
1044
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:56.640
they just like allow them.
1045
00:28:57.260 --> 00:28:57.739
But I don't know,
1046
00:28:57.859 --> 00:28:57.969
I,
1047
00:28:58.060 --> 00:28:58.290
I,
1048
00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:01.000
I'm not sure that would be what she'd have in mind,
1049
00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:01.290
you know,
1050
00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:02.719
frizzy hair on a,
1051
00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:03.349
yeah,
1052
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:03.729
on a,
1053
00:29:03.780 --> 00:29:04.780
on a video call.
1054
00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:06.180
I imagine she wants,
1055
00:29:06.469 --> 00:29:07.310
she wants like the full work
1056
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:09.329
with a,
1057
00:29:09.449 --> 00:29:09.619
you know,
1058
00:29:09.739 --> 00:29:10.540
makeup and
1059
00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:13.140
nice setting and maybe some.
1060
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:14.219
Maybe,
1061
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:14.520
you know,
1062
00:29:14.739 --> 00:29:15.699
but it's in a prison,
1063
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:16.239
but.
1064
00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:19.290
You've seen like famous prison interviews where
1065
00:29:19.290 --> 00:29:21.359
they actually the inmate actually ends up
1066
00:29:21.939 --> 00:29:22.719
with makeup and
1067
00:29:24.099 --> 00:29:26.270
I think you know probably that's what she's got in mind.
1068
00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:28.479
Whether she's ever gonna get that is another question.
1069
00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:30.880
It'll be interesting too to see if she behaves
1070
00:29:31.060 --> 00:29:33.300
at the at in the Florida prison now where she is.
1071
00:29:33.339 --> 00:29:33.530
I mean,
1072
00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:34.650
I'm sure you'll look into that,
1073
00:29:34.739 --> 00:29:36.339
but or if she'll
1074
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:37.699
act differently,
1075
00:29:37.780 --> 00:29:38.060
maybe,
1076
00:29:38.180 --> 00:29:38.500
I don't know,
1077
00:29:38.619 --> 00:29:40.939
maybe now that she knows she's got 2 years and.
1078
00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:42.420
Uh,
1079
00:29:42.849 --> 00:29:43.780
kind of nothing to lose.
1080
00:29:43.959 --> 00:29:44.310
I don't know,
1081
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:45.119
maybe she'll
1082
00:29:45.439 --> 00:29:46.619
hold back even less.
1083
00:29:47.420 --> 00:29:47.619
So,
1084
00:29:47.719 --> 00:29:47.819
well,
1085
00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:48.339
good work,
1086
00:29:48.349 --> 00:29:48.530
Ben,
1087
00:29:48.540 --> 00:29:49.180
as always.
1088
00:29:49.430 --> 00:29:50.489
Appreciate you as always.
1089
00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:50.829
Thanks,
1090
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:51.060
Brian.
1091
00:29:51.219 --> 00:29:51.849
Talk to you later,
1092
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:52.339
cheers.
1093
00:29:52.729 --> 00:29:52.859
Really,
1094
00:29:52.939 --> 00:29:55.510
really appreciate Ben for taking the time to talk with me.
1095
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:55.959
Um,
1096
00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:57.630
side story about Ben,
1097
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:57.939
by the way,
1098
00:29:58.020 --> 00:30:00.319
we actually met covering the Gabby Pitto story.
1099
00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:02.329
Some of you guys may remember I spent like
1100
00:30:02.329 --> 00:30:05.040
a ton of time outside Brian Landry's parents' house,
1101
00:30:05.699 --> 00:30:05.880
uh,
1102
00:30:05.939 --> 00:30:07.719
when we like camped out on the lawn next door,
1103
00:30:07.729 --> 00:30:11.000
and Ben was out there too for a bunch of the time
1104
00:30:11.540 --> 00:30:13.839
when we were just kind of staking the place out.
1105
00:30:14.310 --> 00:30:14.630
Uh,
1106
00:30:14.750 --> 00:30:15.800
and like
1107
00:30:15.969 --> 00:30:18.300
with a situation like that with so much time passing,
1108
00:30:18.349 --> 00:30:19.869
you kind of make other friends with
1109
00:30:19.869 --> 00:30:22.130
other reporters and sometimes with the neighbors
1110
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:23.229
just because you have so much time,
1111
00:30:23.270 --> 00:30:25.459
you're just sitting there waiting to see what's gonna happen.
1112
00:30:25.670 --> 00:30:27.469
And that's how Ben and I became friends and
1113
00:30:27.469 --> 00:30:29.140
we basically have just stayed friends ever since.
1114
00:30:29.189 --> 00:30:29.949
And he's also a really,
1115
00:30:29.989 --> 00:30:30.810
really good reporter,
1116
00:30:30.910 --> 00:30:32.829
so we kind of help each other out with stories sometimes.
1117
00:30:32.949 --> 00:30:33.270
So,
1118
00:30:33.489 --> 00:30:33.869
as always,
1119
00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:34.930
I appreciate Ben.
1120
00:30:35.189 --> 00:30:35.449
Um,
1121
00:30:35.589 --> 00:30:36.709
as for Courtney Clenney,
1122
00:30:36.829 --> 00:30:37.030
um,
1123
00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:37.219
it,
1124
00:30:37.310 --> 00:30:39.829
it really was quite a plea deal considering that she was facing.
1125
00:30:39.959 --> 00:30:41.390
30 years.
1126
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.939
At the sentencing,
1127
00:30:43.130 --> 00:30:47.349
Abu Sali's mom said that she learned of her son's death when she got a call
1128
00:30:47.689 --> 00:30:50.510
asking if she wanted his eyes to be donated.
1129
00:30:50.650 --> 00:30:52.449
There's just so many sad details that came out and
1130
00:30:52.449 --> 00:30:54.550
she said that it was the darkest day of her life
1131
00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:58.790
and that she has lived with fear and lived with anxiety and
1132
00:30:59.130 --> 00:31:01.849
had these sleepless nights and heartache and tears ever since.
1133
00:31:01.969 --> 00:31:03.189
And she said that the joy
1134
00:31:03.609 --> 00:31:05.670
that was in her life has never returned.
1135
00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:07.550
It's hard to imagine.
1136
00:31:08.410 --> 00:31:10.869
What his family continues to go through and
1137
00:31:11.050 --> 00:31:12.369
also with this plea deal
1138
00:31:12.890 --> 00:31:13.449
in a statement,
1139
00:31:13.489 --> 00:31:14.770
the Miami-Dade State Attorney,
1140
00:31:14.849 --> 00:31:16.569
her name is Catherine Fernandez Rundle,
1141
00:31:16.930 --> 00:31:18.630
said that Abumelli's family
1142
00:31:18.770 --> 00:31:22.630
family finally heard Plenty accepting full responsibility for his death
1143
00:31:22.890 --> 00:31:26.329
and said that while nothing can heal the wounds caused on that day in April,
1144
00:31:26.410 --> 00:31:27.969
I hope today's guilty plea
1145
00:31:28.209 --> 00:31:31.500
brings his family a measure of justice too long denied.
1146
00:31:31.609 --> 00:31:32.869
So that is what the um.
1147
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:35.420
What the district attorney in Miami said,
1148
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:36.939
according to the Miami Herald,
1149
00:31:37.020 --> 00:31:38.040
the killing also,
1150
00:31:38.219 --> 00:31:38.589
um,
1151
00:31:38.709 --> 00:31:39.079
took
1152
00:31:39.300 --> 00:31:41.099
the Abuelli family to civil court.
1153
00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:42.819
You guys might remember this in 2023,
1154
00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:44.109
the family sued Clenny
1155
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:46.979
and they sued the condominium association as well
1156
00:31:46.979 --> 00:31:49.819
as the property's management owner and security services,
1157
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:52.459
and the wrongful death case was eventually settled.
1158
00:31:52.540 --> 00:31:52.780
Um,
1159
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:54.609
what the settlement was,
1160
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:56.739
that part hasn't been disclosed,
1161
00:31:56.800 --> 00:31:57.660
so we just don't know,
1162
00:31:57.739 --> 00:31:58.000
but.
1163
00:31:58.439 --> 00:31:59.020
It's interesting,
1164
00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:00.489
she's gonna be out in just a couple of years.
1165
00:32:00.579 --> 00:32:01.760
So I'll keep you posted.
1166
00:32:02.040 --> 00:32:04.430
Ben's gonna let me know what happens with her in this new prison.
1167
00:32:04.479 --> 00:32:06.020
I'm sure he'll get more records
1168
00:32:06.239 --> 00:32:07.489
and we'll let you guys know.
1169
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:09.550
Really appreciate everybody for watching,
1170
00:32:09.560 --> 00:32:10.319
as always,
1171
00:32:10.439 --> 00:32:10.560
uh,
1172
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:11.859
you guys are the best.
1173
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:12.479
Um,
1174
00:32:12.560 --> 00:32:14.939
thank you to everybody who has subscribed to my channel,
1175
00:32:15.199 --> 00:32:17.500
and I'll keep you guys posted and talk to you guys later.