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All Things Conceivable: A Surrogacy
Podcast with Nazca Fontes.
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Hello listeners and welcome back.
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You know how much I love sharing the
incredible stories of our amazing
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surrogates. I mean,
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these are women who are truly some of the
most generous humans you'll ever meet.
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And today I'm so honored
to introduce you to Stacey,
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who is right now embarking on
her 1, 2, 3, count at three,
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her third surrogacy journey.
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Stacey's story is unfolding with
heart resilience, inspiration,
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and from becoming a mom in 2017 to
the moment she first felt called to
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surrogacy, to navigating the ups
and downs of multiple journeys.
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She is walking through challenges,
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building lifelong bonds with intended
parents and living what her husband
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lovingly calls her superpower.
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We'll talk to Stacy about how she first
brought up surrogacy with her husband,
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how her faith and her own experiences
with infertility shape her why and the
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deep relationships she is building,
not only with her intended parents,
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but also with their extended families.
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She opens up about the joys
and setbacks along the way,
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what it's like to explain surrogacy
to a classroom of curious kids
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and how she practices self-care
to stay grounded. Most of all,
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Stacy shows how one woman's
generosity can ripple far beyond
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parents reaching grandparents,
siblings, and even the next generation.
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Stacy, welcome. Let's start at
the beginning. Okay. So first,
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tell our audience what it was like for
you when you first became a mom back in
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2017.
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Yes, thank you so much for having me.
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My husband and I knew we
wanted to have a family right
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before we got married. He said he
would prefer just to have one child.
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So I said, as long as I can experience
motherhood, that works for me.
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So you mentioned my faith
a lot of prayer later.
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We got pregnant in 2015 and
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very early on about six or seven weeks,
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something just didn't feel right
and we went for the ultrasound and
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unfortunately there was no heartbeat.
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So we had had a miscarriage
after about a week before being
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told that we were
pregnant and all of that.
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And so I didn't really
put too much into it,
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but my husband was just devastated
because in an instant you see the word
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pregnant on a pregnancy test, your
doctor confirms it with the blood work,
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and then a week later it's like, no,
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you're not. So it was really heartbreaking
and he was really devastated by the
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whole and actually started to
talk to people. It and people were
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all of
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was the most joyous,
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wonderful thing that we had really
ever experienced as a couple
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together.
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And it all happened so fast.
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It was such a wonderful experience.
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I had God bless a beautiful
pregnancy everywhere I
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went, kind of did a hair flip
because people were like, oh my God,
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you look so good. I'm like, no, thank you.
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So I just really loved pregnancy. I mean,
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just the thought of growing life,
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the way that the female body handles
all of it and does all of it.
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I was like, this is such a miracle.
And then when we had our daughter,
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I couldn't even imagine anything else more
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like my heart grew three
sizes like the Grinch,
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I just couldn't even believe
this kind of love. And
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even when we were in the
room minutes before she was,
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we gave birth and she was here.
My husband, I'll never forget,
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I wish Id had a photographer or
somebody taking a video in the room,
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but he looked at me and said, are
you ready for this? And I was like,
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I'm ready or not. She's coming.
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And it was just such an incredible thing.
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Our whole family was waiting in the
waiting room, extended family, cousins,
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everybody was just so excited to meet her.
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We suffered a loss in our family about
a week later with the passing of my
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grandfather and just what an
incredible light my daughter got to
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be for everybody was just
so special. And so for me,
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I was like, man, motherhood,
it's something special.
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And parenthood really in general,
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but I also continued to remember what
that loss felt like and just how lucky
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I was that I was given an opportunity
to be a mother and her mom
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more than anything. But during my
pregnancy, because I loved it so much,
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I had just kind of said in passing,
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I'll totally be a surrogate
because we only want one kid.
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And a few people in my life remembered
I'd said that and kind of put it in the
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back of their brain and
then brought it up In 2020.
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I had just started working as a general
manager at a health club that I worked
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for. And my mentor, who was my boss when
I was pregnant with my daughter said,
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remember when you said you
wanted to be a surrogate? Well,
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a friend of ours just did it. You
should do it. I was like, yeah,
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maybe I'll look into it. And literally
that day I spoke with my friend
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and I sent a link to
ConceiveAbilities and got a
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call later that day and I was like,
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I should probably talk
to my husband about this.
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I should probably revisit me saying
that if he even remembers that I
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said it. And when I came home,
I brought it up and he was like,
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I thought that was just something you
mentioned and you get over it. I was like,
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well, now it's come up and it could be
a real thing. And he was like, yeah,
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let's look into it. And now here
we're almost five years later.
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And embarking on your third
journey in five years. I mean,
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what an incredible story. Of course, you
heard me chuckle. I couldn't help it,
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but just, Hey,
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I went down the primrose path of even
contacting the agency before ever having
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this conversation with my husband.
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And that's really what I want to
kind of get at a little bit because
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we've done recordings and shows
where we've talked about, gosh,
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having the conversation with your
partner, getting him to neutral,
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if not, yes. And it seems like you
kind of worked a little bit backwards,
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so let's share with our listeners,
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how did that first conversation
with your husband go?
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What was his first reaction?
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At first he said, I mean,
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if you really think this is necessary.
And I said, I mean, is it ever,
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but again,
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how we feel about our daughter
and just the light that
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she brought into the
world when she was born,
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imagine doing that for other
people. And he was kind, I mean,
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I guess.
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And then we just went through the
process and met some incredible people
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along the way that,
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of course I requested my second
journey and aren't maybe with in that
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situation anymore. So weren't able
to be with us for the third journey,
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but just the incredible and amazing
people that we have met along the way that
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speak so passionately about
surrogacy and family building.
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And it's just kind of become something
that is just a part of our life and who
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we're as a family. And then the
second time he was kind of like,
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I don't, there's just some risk.
You're older now. And I said, yeah,
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but you said literally when
the babies come out, he's like,
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I can't believe you just did
that. That was unbelievable.
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And as you mentioned in the opening,
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my superpower as he calls it. And so
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every time the conversation gets a little
bit longer and a little bit of wait
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time because he wants to think
about it, but ultimately he's like,
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if this is your decision,
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we want to back you and
we'll support you and be
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there. So if you really feel like
this is a calling for you, and I do,
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I feel like it's been placed on my heart.
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I'm not changing the world working
in retail. I work in retail now.
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I go to work every day trying to
help people look and feel their best.
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But to do something like this,
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really I get to walk around with a badge
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of almost like heart that we
help people build a family that
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they have longed for and they have
wished for just like we did at one point.
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And so for me, the conversation,
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the timeframe kind of
expands a little bit,
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but it always comes back to him saying,
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if this is on your heart and this is
really where you want to go and what you
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want to do, we're in.
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So I'm very lucky that I have
a really supportive partner
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that's ready to jump in with me
and be the good dad friend and
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meet the new family. So that's been
really, I'm blessed. It's been really.
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Special.
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What an incredible message
for a husband to send his wife
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that if he understood that
this was placed on your heart
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and just the acknowledgement,
acceptance and embracing that,
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yes, you're a unit as and wife,
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but you're also separate
beings in this world,
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and he acknowledged and accepted
that this was a calling,
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and how beautiful is that?
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And you also shared too that your faith
played a really important role in your
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decision to become a surrogate.
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Do you want to explain a
little bit more about that?
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Yeah, my husband and I,
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we moved to where we currently live
in the Chicago land area in 2020.
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We found our forever
home as we believe it,
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and we're in a great school system for
our daughter who is seven and a half. And
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we really wanted to find a
church that we could grow in.
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So we have an incredible
church community and family.
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We lead a small group every
week with other families,
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with younger children, so we can
do life together. But for us,
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it's just been constant prayer
and constant support. Of course,
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we get that from our
families and our parents.
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Everybody in our family is on both sides.
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The people I work with in every journey
that I've been on have been very
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uplifting and surround
us with the biggest hug.
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But really our faith
family has been a huge walk
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alongside us that we see them every week.
And so every week they're always
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adding like,
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let's pray for your doctor's appointment
or your blood work or your trip.
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I just took a trip out west for my
medical workup, for my third journey,
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always checking in and just being again,
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alongside us on this journey because
when they say it takes a village,
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they're not joking and
they're not kidding with that.
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So we've really leaned into that notion
and just been very focused on prayer.
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You also mentioned it in the
opening, my second journey.
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I did have some trials and some struggles.
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It took us three transfers and was,
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I just felt every step of the way,
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there's a reason and I just prayed about
it and constantly just gave it to the
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Lord. If I can say that.
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And just really just leaned into,
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I know that there's a plan for me and
that there's a plan for this family that
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we're partnering with and we're doing
life with right now. And it all worked
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itself out. And it's funny
because I just started a new job,
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I found out on April 29th of
last year that I was pregnant,
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and I went into work and my boss was
like, I just found out I'm pregnant.
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Well, I didn't just find out, but hey,
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I'm just telling people I'm 20 weeks
pregnant, so I'll be going on leave soon.
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And I was like, oh my gosh, I just found
out this morning that I'm pregnant.
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And of course, she knew about
my surrogacy journey and again,
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super supportive from the
rip, which was so special.
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But it all just worked out perfectly
because I got to take off holiday and just
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put my feet up on Christmas, not have
to work retail. And so I thought,
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this is the reason I've walked alongside
this family and I've prayed about it
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and this was it. But all
jokes aside, it just,
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instead of getting down about it,
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I just leaned into my faith and just
knew that God had a plan for us.
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And when it all kind of unfolded and
worked out what an incredible Christmas
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gift for the family that was able
to take that little girl home and an
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incredible way to start 2025.
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So just really, and again,
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just such a joyous time of year
with the holidays and Christmas and
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just such a beautiful time to go through
that with them and to give them their
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little baby.
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I love all of that. I love that
you just had a lot of faith.
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Some would call it confidence,
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some would call it belief that we're
going to pull from whatever power, right?
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Inspires our journey in life. And you
leaned in and pulled on your faith
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even during the times when it didn't
quite work out so well. Right.
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Not only did you go through three
transfers with your first journey,
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it was also with your second
set of intended parents
that you had to be matched
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with because the first
ones didn't work out.
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Why don't you tell us a
little bit about that?
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So actually my first journey,
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the three transfers was with my second
journey. So just the most recent,
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but my first journey, we
were partnered with a family.
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We both said literally in the first 10
minutes that we wanted to work together.
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And about three months in
minutes before signing our
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legal paperwork,
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they said that they needed me to do a few
things that at the time my husband and
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I just weren't really willing to
bend on. So we had to break match.
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And again, this is the beginning of my
journey. I signed on in December of 2020.
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This is January of 2021. We get matched
April of 2021. I was devastated.
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And we just talked through
it as a family and again,
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leaned into this just isn't the
right path and we will find a
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different one. And within weeks,
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I was matched with the family that we
carried our sweet little boy who just
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turned three actually last week.
But we matched with them
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and
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I don't really know if I think it
would've worked out any other way.
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Would I have done a second
or now third journey.
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They're just the most incredible family.
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They have a daughter
via surrogate as well.
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Even at our doctor's appointments
would be like, oh, we just love her.
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She's a part of our family now.
But in the beginning, it was hard.
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I was sad and I felt defeated
that this match didn't
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work, this family didn't want to work
with us. But again, within weeks,
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we found our new intended
parents and we still talk.
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I get pictures, and again,
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my sweet little guy turned three
last week and he's thriving.
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He's hilarious, and he's just the
missing piece to their puzzle.
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And so I'm so blessed that
I was able to gift them,
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that and him for their life.
But that was hard.
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And we went for our journey for
the embryo transfer in September of
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2021,
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we actually had to fly to Colorado
and found out the day before my
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transfer, I had COVID. I had no symptoms.
They were like, we're really sorry.
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We can't do the transfer. So my
husband, myself and my daughter,
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who I think was four at the time, we had
to drive back to the Chicagoland area,
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which was hard. And my intended mother
was just, oh, I feel terrible. I'm like,
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what can you do? What happens? But
then when we went in January of 22,
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that transfer was successful. And I
will tell this story really quickly.
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It was really just a
luck of faith, and again,
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a lot of prayer up until
the transfer in early of
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January of 2022,
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our doctor who would work with,
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and the reason they picked
the clinic in Colorado,
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he was not going to be present
for the transfer. So a lot of just
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air out of our sales. And so
it was like, oh, man, okay.
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But the morning I got there,
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I went by myself this time just
to go get done and come home.
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He was there and they said, oh, he'll
be in a few minutes. And I was like,
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the doctor that we work with is here
because I was told he wasn't coming.
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And they said, no, he's here. And I was
like, can I call my intended mother?
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And she screamed, she cried.
She was so happy. And I mean,
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he is such a hoot. So it just, again,
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God's plan, everything
lining up so perfectly.
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And it was such a great,
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wonderful ending to kind of a tough start.
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But the transfer worked.
We got pregnant, and again,
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we had that baby at the
end of September of 2022,
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and he's doing incredible.
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What an amazing story. And
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I think we rarely find a journey
that is seamless and smooth without
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hiccups. It's just we're all human
beings. We have lives, we have schedules,
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it's biology, things come
up, illness setbacks.
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So I love to hear how surrogates cope with
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these challenges. Some lean into faith,
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some just identify that it's all
part of the greater universe,
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a plan, a par for the course.
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So I think that's really important and
necessary when considering whether or
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not to become a surrogate is what,
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having that self-reflection of what
is my fiber? What am I made of?
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How resilient am I in the face
of challenges and setbacks?
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So thank you for sharing those
because demonstrating how you
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shared your own resiliency or demonstrated
your own resiliency is so important
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for our listeners. And now that
you're embarking on a third,
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you've got journey one, journey two
to reflect on and the differences.
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So how about just sharing
with us pick two of the
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main differences between each of
those journeys and what it was like to
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experience those differences.
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So the first thing I'll say is
every relationship is so different.
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In the beginning, I felt like my second
journey was a little bit more business,
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which is fine.
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I want to respect boundaries and
whatever the family is looking for in
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that moment and in that
relationship. But I'll tell you,
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we talk to our second intended
parents every month on the
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27th,
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which is the month birthday
of our sweet little girl.
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But I think really understanding
that the relationships are going to
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be different, and that's okay because at
first I struggled with it a little bit,
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and now it's just organically become
this relationship and friendship that is
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real and is authentic. And we talk
about football in our group chat and
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the different cities that we live
in and just how things are going,
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and just the growing of the little girl
that we just gave birth to in December.
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But I think it's just really leaning into
knowing the relationships are going to
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be different, and that's okay.
And I think the other thing,
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because with this last one,
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a lot of people asked me when the
transfers kept failing in the beginning.
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And the beginning,
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I didn't get very emotional
because I was just kind of like
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it just happened and that's what
I did, all the right things.
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I'm not going to beat
myself up. And knowing,
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getting emotional is okay because
the second failed transfer,
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I became emotional. I
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incredible. My girlfriend Jeanette,
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who I worked with was so amazing in
just being there for me and being my
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support and my pillar when
I needed a leaning post.
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And I think realizing that you're
feeling the loss too, and it's okay,
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but not one thing I was super
intentional about was not letting
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myself feel like this is my fault.
I did something that caused me to not
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get pregnant. As long as you follow the
protocols and you listen to your body,
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that's really the best you can
do. And again, to your point,
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science and biology is going to happen,
biology, and you're just the vessel.
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But I think just really not
letting myself get down on myself,
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but also letting myself feel emotion
because I'm feeling the loss too.
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I'm feeling the sadness and the let
down for my intended parents who
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I've grown a relationship
with. But I think, again,
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having people around you that are going
to keep you up and let you shed your
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tears when you need to has
been so important for us.
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And in the moment that I needed,
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it was really just so well received and
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appreciated.
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But I think those two
or three things there.
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Yeah, that's important to
recognize and understand.
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Every relationship will be
different, but more importantly,
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I really respect that you
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are standing up and saying surrogates
have a lot of emotion and investment in
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this too.
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Yeah.
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Because I think certainly from
the inside of an agency looking
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out and supporting
surrogates in their journeys,
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we understand this,
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but I think externally in the world when
they think about an intended parent and
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surrogate relationship,
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there could be the
possibility that loss and
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setbacks are more the
purview of intended parents.
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They're the ones dealing and grappling
with the emotions surrounding those,
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and that's just not the case.
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I believe that they're equally shared by
the surrogate and her partner as well.
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Would you agree that also your husband
maybe felt some of these emotions
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surrounding the setbacks and the loss?
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he was really leaned into making sure I
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felt like this isn't my fault. And again,
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I was very big on that because I
know I worked with a clinic that was
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like, no chocolate, no
caffeine of any kind.
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You can't even drink
decaf coffee. And I mean,
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I did all the things for every single
round of IVF that I've ever done,
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even not working with that clinic anymore.
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So he really leaned
into making sure I knew
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I did the best I could. I
took care of myself. I rested,
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I made the trek to both clinics that
I've worked with so far have been out of
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state. This third one is as well.
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And just really making
sure I felt just his
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love and just support
behind me. And he again,
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was very, I'm here, but I know
you've got it. Thankfully,
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I've never struggled from
postpartum of any kind,
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but really just for him wanting
to make sure I don't go into a
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dark place and feel the defeat and
carry it with me because again,
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there was nothing I could have done.
It's biology, it's science,
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and we're kind of just praying it
sticks and you can eat the greasy french
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fries when it's over and do all
the little remedies that they say,
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but really it's going to
happen if it's going to happen.
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And so he was just very
big on being next to me,
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making sure that I kept my head up and
that I felt good about the place I was
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in, because again, I've never
really struggled with any of that.
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So he just wanted to make sure I continued
forward as opposed to letting myself
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move backward.
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Stacey,
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was your husband's relationship with
the set of intended parents different
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from your relationship with them?
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I mean, we have a group chat
with all of the parents normally.
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And then usually I have one
with just the intended mother,
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but I mean a little different
because it wasn't as hands on.
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But lately, I'm not even
responding in the group chat.
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We're talking about football right now,
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and so the dads are kind of leading
the group chat, which is kind of funny.
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But I would say it's a little different,
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obviously I feel like
when moms get to talking,
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it's like a kitchen party conversation.
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But he is very involved and really the
whole journey for both of my journeys,
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he has been,
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which has been really fun because
my husband works in the healthcare
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industry, and so he's very
good at connecting with people.
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So to watch him walk with me
through this and be in it with the
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parents and high fiving the dad in the
delivery room, when all is said and done,
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it's cool to see because in the beginning,
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he was kind of hesitant, I would
say, just to be in a group chat.
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When I told him, Hey, I'm going to
start a group chat, he was like, okay,
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now he's the one driving the group chat
from the second family that we just
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carried for. So I would
say it's different,
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but it's equally as just organically
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formed and authentic at this point.
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But I mentioned earlier
that this had a ripple
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had on bringing life into the world and
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converting intended parents
to parents or growing a family
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by giving the gift of a sibling.
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So share with us a little bit
about the joy you've brought
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into the world of the grandparents and
the siblings and that ripple effect.
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I'm sure that our listeners would
love to hear more about that.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. And that's one thing
my husband, when we talk about it,
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especially maybe a week or two leading
up to delivery when we're kind of
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getting ready and making sure that we
know when we have to be at the hospital,
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because we did induction for
both of these first two journeys.
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So the parents coming from out of town
knew when they had to be here so they
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wouldn't miss the birth. But
our first intended family,
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again,
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has a daughter from a previous surrogate
who was just about a year younger than
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my daughter. So when
we would get together,
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our girls would play together
and it was just so special.
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But growing that family
so that little girl could
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have a sibling and have a little brother,
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they've been to our home and
we've been to their home.
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They live out of state when
we've traveled. But just
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seeing the pictures on social media
because we're all friends on social
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media, but seeing the pictures
and the big family setups and
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00:28:14,760
the intended the father, he's not
intended anymore, but the father,
432
00:28:14,760 -->
00:28:18,060
his family lives where
they live, and the mother,
433
00:28:18,060 -->
00:28:19,650
her family actually lives in Chicago.
434
00:28:19,650 -->
00:28:24,360
So it's just been really
cool to watch him become a
435
00:28:24,360 -->
00:28:28,770
character in the family and be a part
of what they're doing. And again,
436
00:28:28,770 -->
00:28:33,240
he's so hilarious and he
has such a big personality.
437
00:28:33,240 -->
00:28:38,160
It's so awesome to see through
pictures and videos that we
438
00:28:38,160 -->
00:28:41,550
send back and forth. And
then with our newer family,
439
00:28:42,150 -->
00:28:46,770
she is an addition to our
440
00:28:47,100 -->
00:28:51,330
parents that got together
later in life. My intended,
441
00:28:51,690 -->
00:28:54,420
my mother, the mother has two older boys,
442
00:28:54,510 -->
00:28:58,140
and to watch them now welcome a new baby,
443
00:28:58,920 -->
00:28:59,610
they're kind of like,
444
00:28:59,610 -->
00:29:03,630
what do we do with this in the beginning?
But just knowing that they're
445
00:29:04,230 -->
00:29:08,640
loving being a big brother and
being in their big brother era,
446
00:29:09,390 -->
00:29:13,770
but also the joy that the grandparents
on both sides are feeling.
447
00:29:15,660 -->
00:29:19,440
The father of the little girl that
we just carry, he's an only child.
448
00:29:19,440 -->
00:29:23,940
And so to be able to give
his mother a granddaughter,
449
00:29:23,940 -->
00:29:28,080
really a grandchild, but a
granddaughter of all things, my mom,
450
00:29:28,260 -->
00:29:31,530
the relationship she has with my
daughter as her only grandchild,
451
00:29:31,920 -->
00:29:34,890
and it gets to be a
granddaughter is incredible.
452
00:29:34,890 -->
00:29:39,120
And the magnitude of that
special relationship,
453
00:29:39,540 -->
00:29:40,373
it's incredible.
454
00:29:41,740 -->
00:29:45,160
But knowing that we just
gave that to a family,
455
00:29:45,460 -->
00:29:48,790
and his mother lives
close to them out east,
456
00:29:48,790 -->
00:29:52,450
and so she gets to spend a
ton of time and be with her.
457
00:29:52,870 -->
00:29:55,870
And then the mother's family, they
live just a couple hours away,
458
00:29:55,870 -->
00:30:00,370
but they're also loving being back
into grandparents of a little baby.
459
00:30:00,790 -->
00:30:05,440
And so just to talk to them and
hear just the excitement and
460
00:30:06,040 -->
00:30:08,110
just love,
461
00:30:08,440 -->
00:30:13,120
just rejuvenated kind of baby love
back in their families is just
462
00:30:13,120 -->
00:30:15,160
so awesome. And I mean,
463
00:30:15,520 -->
00:30:20,140
we've just welcomed a new baby in our
family a couple of months ago. And man,
464
00:30:20,230 -->
00:30:24,970
the life that shoots into
every corner is so incredible.
465
00:30:25,750 -->
00:30:29,230
And I feel like shifts everyone's
perspective in a family,
466
00:30:29,230 -->
00:30:33,610
no matter the dynamic if you've
got older kids or younger kids,
467
00:30:33,610 -->
00:30:36,910
but just the joy and just pure,
468
00:30:37,390 -->
00:30:40,360
just bliss that a new baby brings.
469
00:30:40,360 -->
00:30:44,500
And to know that we were a part of
that. And then in the long term,
470
00:30:44,860 -->
00:30:49,840
this baby maybe will find a partner
and hopefully grow their life
471
00:30:49,840 -->
00:30:52,180
with somebody. Maybe
they're going to have kids,
472
00:30:52,270 -->
00:30:56,080
and those kids wouldn't have
been possible had we not.
473
00:30:56,080 -->
00:31:00,890
And so I think just
thinking about all of the
474
00:31:00,890 -->
00:31:04,450
layers and the ripple of this,
475
00:31:04,630 -->
00:31:08,320
it's just so cool to step
back and be like, man,
476
00:31:08,380 -->
00:31:10,060
because we said yes,
477
00:31:10,600 -->
00:31:13,510
look at what's going to happen
in this life for this family.
478
00:31:13,960 -->
00:31:16,720
So that's the best part of
the whole thing. I think.
479
00:31:17,380 -->
00:31:22,150
Indeed, it's very profound and
people on the outside of surrogacy
480
00:31:22,840 -->
00:31:26,020
fail to understand this naturally.
They're not connected to it.
481
00:31:26,410 -->
00:31:29,890
They just see the immediate
match and the results of that.
482
00:31:30,280 -->
00:31:35,080
And once you start peeling it back and
you understand just how deep this goes,
483
00:31:35,380 -->
00:31:37,990
and as you say, the ripple
effect of it is, I mean,
484
00:31:37,990 -->
00:31:42,640
the magnitude is enormous.
And in my years
485
00:31:42,670 -->
00:31:47,050
of managing this journey for
hundreds upon hundreds of people,
486
00:31:47,290 -->
00:31:52,240
one of the facets that
I like to illuminate for
everybody was this notion of
487
00:31:54,400 -->
00:31:59,080
the concept and the
teaching of compassion for
488
00:31:59,410 -->
00:32:03,640
the younger children that are
adjacent to the surrogacy journey.
489
00:32:03,640 -->
00:32:05,350
So in this case,
490
00:32:05,350 -->
00:32:10,030
it would be your daughter and
the teaching of compassion and
491
00:32:10,120 -->
00:32:14,980
empathy and giving and
love and generosity that
492
00:32:14,980 -->
00:32:19,720
really you're planting a seed that you
hope will grow and flourish for the rest
493
00:32:19,720 -->
00:32:20,553
of her life.
494
00:32:20,590 -->
00:32:25,180
And you also brought the
concept of surrogacy into her
495
00:32:25,180 -->
00:32:27,220
classroom. So I did.
496
00:32:27,220 -->
00:32:30,760
How about sharing with us a little bit
about not only what I mentioned about the
497
00:32:30,760 -->
00:32:32,920
teachings of surrogacy in her young life,
498
00:32:33,310 -->
00:32:36,730
but bringing it into a
classroom of six and seven year.
499
00:32:36,730 -->
00:32:37,960
Olds? Yeah,
500
00:32:37,960 -->
00:32:42,530
so last be she was student of the week,
501
00:32:42,530 -->
00:32:44,270
and I got to be the special guest reader.
502
00:32:44,630 -->
00:32:47,990
So every day they have
something for that student,
503
00:32:48,050 -->
00:32:51,230
and I got to pick a book.
504
00:32:51,620 -->
00:32:54,890
We're huge office fans, so
we have an office kids book,
505
00:32:55,310 -->
00:32:58,250
and I brought that to read.
We decided on it together,
506
00:32:58,850 -->
00:33:02,690
and I get to talk a little bit
about what I like with the kids.
507
00:33:02,690 -->
00:33:05,960
And so that was one thing I
talked about. And then at the end,
508
00:33:05,960 -->
00:33:07,160
they get to ask questions.
509
00:33:07,340 -->
00:33:11,660
They can ask how Finley was when she
was a baby and what we like to do as a
510
00:33:11,660 -->
00:33:14,960
family. But one of the
kids yelled out, well,
511
00:33:14,960 -->
00:33:18,740
Finley is going to have a
baby sister or brother soon.
512
00:33:19,400 -->
00:33:23,120
And I said, I looked at
the teacher and said,
513
00:33:23,120 -->
00:33:27,890
can I explain to them what we're doing?
Of course, my daughter blurted out,
514
00:33:28,460 -->
00:33:30,530
we're not keeping it.
I was like, okay.
515
00:33:30,980 -->
00:33:33,770
So we kind of reigned it in a little bit,
516
00:33:33,770 -->
00:33:37,550
and as best as I could explained that
517
00:33:38,420 -->
00:33:43,310
sometimes there are moms and dads
that can't have a baby on their own,
518
00:33:43,310 -->
00:33:47,480
and they need a little bit of science
and they need a friend who can help them
519
00:33:47,480 -->
00:33:51,200
with that, and that's what
we're doing. And they said,
520
00:33:51,530 -->
00:33:55,520
so whose baby is it? And I
said, well, it's their baby.
521
00:33:55,520 -->
00:33:58,310
And the doctors use
science to put it together.
522
00:33:58,790 -->
00:34:03,110
And then they put it inside my belly and
I carry it and I help it grow and take
523
00:34:03,110 -->
00:34:03,943
care of it.
524
00:34:04,040 -->
00:34:07,280
And then we go to the hospital and then
the baby comes out and they get to take
525
00:34:07,280 -->
00:34:11,750
it home and they're a family. And so then
the questions of a six and 7-year-old,
526
00:34:11,750 -->
00:34:14,390
well, where does the baby go?
And all that. I'm like, well,
527
00:34:14,390 -->
00:34:15,650
we don't have to get in all of that,
528
00:34:15,710 -->
00:34:20,300
but it's in there.
So just even because all the parents,
529
00:34:20,750 -->
00:34:22,730
we go to a really great
small little school.
530
00:34:22,730 -->
00:34:26,390
So all the parents knew what I was doing
because every time they're like, oh,
531
00:34:26,420 -->
00:34:28,550
you're expecting? I'm
like, well, not exactly,
532
00:34:28,880 -->
00:34:33,860
because I just love to bring
awareness to surrogacy and talk
533
00:34:33,860 -->
00:34:36,140
about it. I mean, I love my husband and I.
534
00:34:36,140 -->
00:34:39,500
Whenever we go out to dinner and
I'm pregnant, he loves nothing more,
535
00:34:39,890 -->
00:34:44,000
especially when there's an older
couple or an older restaurant manager.
536
00:34:44,690 -->
00:34:47,450
We like to go to places that
were referred by family.
537
00:34:47,450 -->
00:34:49,010
My uncle is in the restaurant industry.
538
00:34:49,010 -->
00:34:53,540
So we went to a restaurant one time in
downtown Chicago and the older man came,
539
00:34:53,840 -->
00:34:57,920
the manager came to the table,
brought us shots and was like, oh,
540
00:34:58,940 -->
00:35:02,720
thank you for coming. And I was like,
well, I can't have any we're expecting.
541
00:35:02,720 -->
00:35:04,370
And he was like, oh, congratulations,
542
00:35:04,370 -->
00:35:09,110
dad. And my husband loves to say I'm not
the father and see what happens and the
543
00:35:09,110 -->
00:35:12,110
freak out that ensues. But just again,
544
00:35:12,230 -->
00:35:17,000
bring awareness to a perfect
stranger and tell him, actually,
545
00:35:17,000 -->
00:35:19,520
this is what we're doing.
And we talk about surrogacy,
546
00:35:19,520 -->
00:35:23,450
and most people actually say, I've never
met someone who's done this before.
547
00:35:23,810 -->
00:35:24,440
And then I say, well,
548
00:35:24,440 -->
00:35:27,440
now you have and you should
talk about it with more people.
549
00:35:27,830 -->
00:35:29,510
So for me,
550
00:35:29,540 -->
00:35:34,070
it's just cool to talk about and bring
awareness because I love when people say,
551
00:35:34,070 -->
00:35:37,350
you're the first surrogate I've
ever met. And then I'll usually say,
552
00:35:37,350 -->
00:35:38,820
I hope I'm not the last.
553
00:35:39,210 -->
00:35:43,470
But I think bringing
it to a group of kids,
554
00:35:43,860 -->
00:35:47,700
even an older generation, I still
remember when I told my grandmother,
555
00:35:48,660 -->
00:35:50,580
who has since gone to heaven,
556
00:35:50,970 -->
00:35:54,930
but I still remember how
scared I was to tell her,
557
00:35:54,930 -->
00:35:59,490
because I just think the older generation
sometimes doesn't understand, and
558
00:36:01,350 -->
00:36:05,760
they've not gone through IVF or things
like that. So when I sat her down to tell
559
00:36:05,760 -->
00:36:07,590
her, she actually cried.
560
00:36:08,070 -->
00:36:11,970
And I was nervous it was going
to be followed with kind a,
561
00:36:11,970 -->
00:36:15,540
I can't believe you're doing
this, but it was a warm,
562
00:36:16,020 -->
00:36:20,580
I can't believe you're doing
that for somebody kind of next
563
00:36:20,580 -->
00:36:21,150
sentence.
564
00:36:21,150 -->
00:36:25,860
And so just from the
top of my family and the
565
00:36:25,860 -->
00:36:30,750
oldest generation feel that
up until a group of six year
566
00:36:30,750 -->
00:36:35,130
olds and just be like, wow,
that's so cool. Science is cool.
567
00:36:35,550 -->
00:36:36,390
And it's like, yeah,
568
00:36:36,450 -->
00:36:40,860
it's so really from the
youngest generation to the
569
00:36:40,860 -->
00:36:45,390
oldest feeling that
open-mindedness and that love
570
00:36:45,990 -->
00:36:49,140
has just been the most
rewarding, I think. And again,
571
00:36:49,260 -->
00:36:54,030
bringing awareness to it is really
why I think I love talking about it.
572
00:36:55,530 -->
00:37:00,450
Well, you're such an
incredible advocate. Thank you.
573
00:37:00,660 -->
00:37:04,500
What an amazing voice in
the surrogate community.
574
00:37:04,980 -->
00:37:07,440
And I love all the points
that you touched upon,
575
00:37:07,440 -->
00:37:11,010
how having a great partner by
your side who believes in you,
576
00:37:11,400 -->
00:37:16,260
to normalizing it for not only the
older generation but for the younger
577
00:37:16,260 -->
00:37:20,850
generation and all of the lessons
that you've learned and the
578
00:37:21,720 -->
00:37:25,920
way that you demonstrated how
relationships are different,
579
00:37:26,010 -->
00:37:29,660
they move, they shift, they
grow, they change. I mean,
580
00:37:29,660 -->
00:37:33,810
there's just so much in the world of
surrogacy that you've helped bring
581
00:37:34,830 -->
00:37:39,390
to life and to light for everybody
that hears your voice. Thank you.
582
00:37:39,390 -->
00:37:43,920
I just am so impressed by
your generosity and your love
583
00:37:44,310 -->
00:37:48,600
for those around you and for
your willingness to bring
new life into the world.
584
00:37:48,600 -->
00:37:53,580
Stacy, you're truly an
exemplary surrogate in our
585
00:37:53,580 -->
00:37:54,120
community,
586
00:37:54,120 -->
00:37:58,560
and I hope our listeners really understand
that it's women like you who make
587
00:37:58,560 -->
00:38:03,330
this journey possible for other
surrogates and for intended parents.
588
00:38:04,110 -->
00:38:08,550
If I were to ask you, there's so much
I want to ask you, but time is limited,
589
00:38:08,550 -->
00:38:09,990
but lemme wrap up by saying,
590
00:38:10,050 -->
00:38:14,550
if I were to ask you to share one nugget
591
00:38:15,000 -->
00:38:19,890
of information or inspiration to a
woman listening to this who might
592
00:38:19,890 -->
00:38:21,120
want to become a surrogate,
593
00:38:21,450 -->
00:38:26,040
or for an intended parent who's really
nervous about what type of women become
594
00:38:26,040 -->
00:38:27,870
surrogates, what would you share with.
595
00:38:32,640 -->
00:38:37,060
Women as becoming a surrogate?
596
00:38:38,350 -->
00:38:43,120
There is nothing. I mean, having a baby,
597
00:38:44,200 -->
00:38:48,520
there's nothing like hearing that
little cry for the first time and
598
00:38:48,520 -->
00:38:52,660
knowing when you look
over and you see those
599
00:38:52,660 -->
00:38:57,070
parents just so special. The most,
600
00:38:57,340 -->
00:39:01,330
besides the day I married my husband
and the day that my daughter was born,
601
00:39:02,410 -->
00:39:04,120
two memories in my life.
602
00:39:04,870 -->
00:39:08,650
The third to come that I will
carry with me on my heart,
603
00:39:09,070 -->
00:39:14,050
in my veins forever was
birthing a baby for somebody
604
00:39:14,050 -->
00:39:17,860
else and creating a family and
watching Love grow instantly.
605
00:39:18,640 -->
00:39:20,890
My goodness. And if you're a parent,
606
00:39:21,550 -->
00:39:24,880
a possible intended
parent who's wondering,
607
00:39:25,750 -->
00:39:29,950
I don't know if I would
do this with anybody else,
608
00:39:29,950 -->
00:39:33,610
ConceiveAbilities has been such
an incredible partner for me
609
00:39:34,240 -->
00:39:38,950
and the people and specifically
the women that I've got to walk
610
00:39:38,950 -->
00:39:41,770
alongside and have supported
me through my journey.
611
00:39:43,810 -->
00:39:48,430
I don't think it gets better knowing
that it's not a match isn't put
612
00:39:48,430 -->
00:39:49,270
together by a computer.
613
00:39:50,170 -->
00:39:54,760
It's put together with love and
intention and people sitting
614
00:39:54,760 -->
00:39:55,593
together.
615
00:39:56,020 -->
00:40:00,640
Really finding the right people for the
right people I think is what gets me
616
00:40:00,640 -->
00:40:01,510
every time.
617
00:40:01,960 -->
00:40:05,920
And what I would encourage for
people that are thinking about it,
618
00:40:06,070 -->
00:40:10,480
working with somebody or an
agency that really takes the
619
00:40:10,480 -->
00:40:15,070
time, the care, and the love
to find you, the right person,
620
00:40:15,340 -->
00:40:19,240
and knowing that it all
falls into place after that.
621
00:40:20,980 -->
00:40:25,720
The beautiful, the magical,
the superwoman that is.
622
00:40:25,720 -->
00:40:30,370
Stacey, thank you so much
for sharing your story today.
623
00:40:30,800 -->
00:40:33,280
Today, you're incredible and
an inspiration to us all.
624
00:40:34,090 -->
00:40:37,600
Thank you, and I'm so
happy to talk to you today.
625
00:40:38,080 -->
00:40:40,300
What an incredible
organization that you've built,
626
00:40:40,390 -->
00:40:44,080
and I'm so blessed to have
stumbled upon ConceiveAbilities
627
00:40:45,340 -->
00:40:49,000
and been a part of your journey
as well with the agency.
628
00:40:49,000 -->
00:40:52,870
So thank you for what you've done and
bringing up this incredible organization
629
00:40:52,870 -->
00:40:54,920
to light with pleasure.
630
00:40:59,630 -->
00:41:02,410
Well, I am pretty speechless folks,
631
00:41:02,410 -->
00:41:06,580
but I'm going to have to share
my aha moment, nevertheless,
632
00:41:06,610 -->
00:41:11,050
and what an incredible person Stacey is.
633
00:41:11,050 -->
00:41:13,030
And I hope you've
enjoyed listening to her.
634
00:41:13,390 -->
00:41:15,940
And I think when I reflect
on the conversation,
635
00:41:16,570 -->
00:41:19,630
which could have gone on for hours
because she's so interesting,
636
00:41:19,990 -->
00:41:24,430
my biggest takeaway from my interaction
with her is just an acknowledgement that
637
00:41:24,850 -->
00:41:25,840
however,
638
00:41:26,290 -->
00:41:31,210
whatever our belief system is and
whatever it is that we draw from to
639
00:41:31,750 -->
00:41:36,200
gather and conviction and
640
00:41:36,200 -->
00:41:39,860
belief in a cause, whether it's
inward, whether it's outward,
641
00:41:40,580 -->
00:41:44,630
leaning into that belief,
drawing strength from it,
642
00:41:45,200 -->
00:41:50,030
and acting upon it demonstrates
that life can truly
643
00:41:50,420 -->
00:41:55,220
be magical. Thank you so much,
listeners, and until next time,
644
00:41:55,880 -->
00:41:56,713
take good care.
645
00:41:58,160 -->
00:42:00,740
Thanks for listening at ConceiveAbilities.
646
00:42:00,920 -->
00:42:05,270
We believe everyone who dreams of
becoming a parent deserves that
647
00:42:05,270 -->
00:42:09,920
chance, and its strong, compassionate
women who make it possible.
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