Bubba Ray Dudley talks ECW, Mae Young and TLC history

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Is there that ridiculous offer that somebody could come to
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you with and go here, put the jacket and the
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hat on one last time? Why are you ready? I'm
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actually excited. I got, I got, I got an old
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timer tonight.
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You're actually excited?
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Yeah, I'm actually excited.
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Actually I have some I have, you know, somebody that
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I can actually tell stories with.
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Oh can you tell all the stories though with this guest?
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Yeah? Actually I think most of them. If I give
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him an I might have to give him an egg
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or two. Just quit talking. But we had we got
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tag Team Wrestling Royalty.
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Loyalty, ten time champions, ten times eight time e c
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W Champion, at eight times Hardcore Champion, and Class of
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twenty eighteen Hall of Famer, the one and only.
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Bubba Ray Dudley.
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Hell of an introduction, right, Like, I'm actually excited about
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this one. Wow? Yeah, I got you riled up?
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I do you got? I got a little I got,
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I got my creative juices flowing today, Little pep in
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your step, Little pep.
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Got a little excitement.
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Good, thanks for coming on now, thank you for having me.
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I appreciate it.
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I had to run it back after our other two.
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Other two sessions, which were thoroughly entertaining by the way.
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I mean, you like it when anytime, like you get
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the giggles, or both of y'all get the giggles, like
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it's gold.
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Well the giggles were inspired by Jack Daniels.
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Yes, I know, I yes, that was that was a
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little I think people have got the memo now, like, okay,
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you want you want a little bit of personality.
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We got to get in.
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About half of it and then then it comes out
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and then he'll start talking and you won't watch what
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he says. And people people loved.
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I mean, we did three hours together, and I really
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appreciate you taking that time. But it's like the second
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or third most viewed interview on the bus that open
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YouTube account. They love the fact that we just sat
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there and we told stories.
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Yeah, I mean that's what the fans love.
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Yeah, I love I love that that format and just
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you know, getting in there and just telling stories, not
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even necessarily like I don't really like to talk about
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what happens inside the ring, you know. I like talking
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about stuff that happens in the locker rooms, the stuff
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that happens out and other places.
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I just I find that much.
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More interesting and more intriguing, and and the fact that
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you had the presence of mind to bring not one
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but two bottles.
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I think the second time.
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Right, we definitely we killed two bottles within within two shows.
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Yeah, we may. We may have to do that. We
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may have to do that for this show. There's sometimes
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but she you know, not everybody here drinks.
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That's okay.
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I can drive, you can drive. She is definitely the
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designated driver.
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I've got a mouth on me. I know how to
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contain it, do you now? Sometimes if I want to,
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but gosh knows, you.
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Can brutal on season two, if I.
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Have j brutal, that is harsh.
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We can't talk too much about it.
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But just remember remember soul Crusher, it will come into
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play a.
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Rude you'll call me brutal.
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Wow, okay, well they expect it from us. We're grizzled
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old timers.
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M hm, truth right, truth, truth facts?
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Oh my goodness, I describe yeah, sitting me. So if
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we started talking about LFG. There's always a discrepancy on
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the tag team titles, right, you want to you.
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Talking to Booker before?
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No, no, no, no, I'm giving you the opportunity since Booker
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is not here to clarify, I mean eighteen times right,
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eighteen times total total right twenty four? Wait twenty four Yeah,
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between E C.
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W WWE W c W all Japan, New Japan, nw
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A Tnaly.
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Well, excuse me for not having that all written down.
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I haven't committed to memory. I can't.
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I can't remember my own titles much les anybody else's.
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I guess I should have THATFG season one title because
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you don't shut up about it.
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Where's my belt?
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See see twenty four twenty.
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Four Where's the belt boy?
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Boy?
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Belt boy?
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Where's where's the belt boy?
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Oh?
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Man?
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Uh, It's It's a lot of fun LFG, you know it.
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It's fun in the sense that we I mean there's pressure.
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It's not like the same pressure like back when we
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when we worked and in that kind of dressing room
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and always having to go out and perform. But the
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the I think the camaraderie that that.
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All the coaches have.
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And you can tell there's like such a rich history
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between all of us and the stuff that we shared,
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and I think it comes out. It comes out in
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LFG because one we don't have to we don't have
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to go out and perform we can just you know,
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critique and and and try and guide these but it's
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that's one of my that's one of my favorite parts
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is setting up there with the judges or not the judges,
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with the coaches and the banter back and forth is
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just price.
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Do you know this is true? My neck has gotten better?
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You know why? It's the comical nonsense between you and
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Booker and my next contant this so now it like
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literally moves better. Can I'd give you all the credit.
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You mentioned the word camaraderie, and that seems to be
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the word that everybody comes up with, whether that was
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in season one with Mickey season two with you Michelle,
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like we all get along so well. When I remember
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season one seeing the names on paper, and I'm like,
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I know, we all get along in our own way,
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but how are we going to get along all together?
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You know, these are some very different names from four
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different corners of wrestling business. And when I saw your name,
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I was like, really, he's gonna do this? This is
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because LFG.
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You know, it pulls the curtain back a little bit
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more than I thought you'd be comfortable with. Yep, no, no,
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by far. And it and as you know, I mean
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you kind of get us sense of it early on.
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It's like I'm trying to feel my way through just
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you know, I think even in the totality of of
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our industry, I'm having to come to grips with it is.
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It's a different era now, and I don't necessarily know
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that it's done. It's it's being done right. I think
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there's a lot to what we I think we give
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too much. I think we give too much up as
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far as the magic of what we do. But I
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think where I don't even really know like how how
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to say this, but the the spit it out, I can't.
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I can't spit it out. I think what helps is
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the is the coaching aspect of it. Right when I
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started getting invested in, you know, in these future grades,
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like I tend to forget right when you start coaching
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and those creative juices start to flow, like I sometimes
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forget one that I micd up. I would I would
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love I would love to hear the tapes of just
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the sound of what I'm saying through the course of
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a day. But you know, once you get into the
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into the coaching part of it, and you're trying, you know,
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you get hands on. I can A lot of times
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I completely forget about the cameras. Sure, and then then you,
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you know, then you go back and you watch the
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episodes or when the episodes air, and you're and that's
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when I kind of like, oh my goodness, that's that's
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too much.
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And for you it had to have been doubly hard
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because obviously you're taught to protect our industry, protect the business,
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and you being in this for as long as you
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have ingrained in you, and now you've been put in
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a situation character wise where you've not only had to
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protect the business, but protected this character that has become
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so sacred. So it's it's second nature for you. You
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get up in the morning, you wash your face, you
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brush your teeth, you comb your hair, You protect the character,
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you protect the business, and now all of a sudden, bam,
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it's so different for you. And even I find myself
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to saying to myself, we shouldn't be doing this, We
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shouldn't be saying this. This is too much. And then
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I have to realize that the industry has changed with
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what you know, we're willing to show and or protect,
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and I guess just going.
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With the flow people do enjoy it. The one thing
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that's helped me is when I retired. I retired, actually
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I retired half of my character, the hat, the code
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that that whole side of the Undertaker. I retired. I
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kind of retained the American badass kind of part of it,
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the one that actually can relate to people. And so
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that that helps me because I like, I will not
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jeopardize that part of my my legacy, and it frustrates
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a lot of people who want to do business with
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me because they want that. That's what they want. They
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want that's I mean, obviously that's the that's the hat.
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The coat is synonymous. When you hear Undertaker, that's what
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you envision. And the fact now that I'm at a
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point where I absolutely will not put it back on,
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you know, that's that's how That's how I protect that.
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I just I couldn't.
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I can't imagine even this day, with the way everything
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is put out there for everybody to see, I could not.
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I could not do it. There is absolutely no way
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that I could do it.
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Like sell some you know, sell something or do an
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ad with the hat and the coat.
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I was just like, no, there's no way.
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At the end of the day. We always talk about
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the only thing that's real in our industry is the money.
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And you've had an incredible career, very lucrative obviously, But
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is there anything is there that stupid number, that is
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there that ridiculous offer that somebody could come to you
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with and go here, put the jacket and the hat
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on one last time. I don't even know.
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No, I don't think. Look, the only way that I
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could put the hat and the coat back on was
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would actually have to be I'd have to get back
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in the ring, and I can't do that. I can't
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do that either, because that also jeopardizes the legacy. It's
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as much as I have here, and as much as
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I have here, I know that the tank is there's
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not enough left in the tank to do that.
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And I respect that so much because as a fan
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of rock and roll, all of my favorite bands who
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swore to me that if they ever broke up, they
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would never you know, that would be the end of
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the band, or this is the final tour. I mean,
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Kiss has done about twenty three final tours. They always
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go back to it, you know, Motley Crue, they all
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signed a contract to never tour again. And they everybody
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goes kind of goes back on their word because Live
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Nation comes out at them with a ridiculous amount of
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money to go back on the road, so they keep
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doing it. And you you know, when we spoke on
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Busted Open, we kind of went over this a little
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bit and you're given the same answer right now. You're like, no, no,
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the answer is pretty much know And I've told you
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I don't ever need to see the Undertaker's entrance again.
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I'm much more intrigued by the American Badass and what
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you have become now. Like just sitting here talking to
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you or talking on Busted Open or watching the documentary
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on you, I'm like, yeah, okay, Undertaker, great, been there,
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done that, love it. But this is a side that
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I've never seen before. I want to know more about
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this guy, right And.
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You know that was I wish I could say that
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I had the presence of mind when I did started
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the American Badass that Okay, this is my exit plan
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and this is what people will get moving forward. You know,
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obviously I'm at a point now where you know, you
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know it's Mark Callaway, but.
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Yeah, with the American Badass, like you hear rumors. Did
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you tell Vince, Like, if I don't start doing it
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this way, I don't think I can do this anymore.
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I thought that.
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So as we are entering the Attitude era and getting
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you know, all these you know, the business is right
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there on the cusp of just taking off to you know,
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this crazy place, like, I felt stale, right because now
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I'm listening I'm listening to Stone Cold cut these these promos,
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and I'm listening to Rock cut these promos, and everything
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is this, Everything is out. There's nothing that's off the table, right,
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But to be true to the character the Undertaker, Like,
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as great as that character is, I'm somewhat handcuffed, right, Like,
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there's only so much that I can You know, if
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Rock is in the ring mocking me, you know, there's
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only one there's only one option for me to do.
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That's choke slamming, and you know that doesn't necessarily work
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for the segment, right, Right, So I felt like like
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I just needed a break to refreshing myself and to
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just kind of take the shackles off a little bit
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and let the other side breathe. In that era, I
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always always knew that we'd get back to it I
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think we got back to it a little quicker than
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I would have liked, but I mean, everything worked out fine,
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but I just needed that break. And I looked at
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it too as like, this is going to be a
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great story because something's going to happen. You know, something
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is going to have to happen pretty catastrophically to this
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character to bring the other character back.
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And that really reminds me of what Kiss did when
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they took off the makeup. Kiss took off the makeup
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because they knew they needed a change, we have to
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do something. But they also knew that they were going
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to take the makeup off just to put it back
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one day. And it worked like a charm. And it
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worked up until their very last night in Madison Square
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Garden when they just sold out, you know, around the world.
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And that's exactly how it worked out for you. And
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I always compare wrestling and rock and roll. I feel
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our two, you know, businesses run so parallel to one another.
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What are you doing?
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Well, it's looking at my phone. But then I start thinking,
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you know what terrifies me? What is literally I swear
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my phone is listening to me. Everything I click on whatever,
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I search, whatever, I stream, I know my dad is
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being tricked. It legit scares me.
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If you heard of surf shark VPN, I have not,
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so I use surf Shark VPN. It encrypts my traffic,
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hides my IP address. That way you can scroll, you
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can go through your socials, you can stream in peace,
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even with public Wi Fi.
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I even use surf shark VPN when I travel.
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Right, you can just change your virtual location and it's
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like you're watching sports and shows from around the world,
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but literally you're on your couch right exactly.
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No one knows where you're at.
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I like that even better.
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One of the best parts.
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Yeah, it only takes one account. You can run your phone,
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your laptop, all your tablets, everything one account, not a
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bunch of subscriptions.
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Just click and go.
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And if you're serious about digital security, you can check
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out surf Shark Alert and it'll notify you every single
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time your personal data has been leaked online.
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I'm telling you surf sharks VPN. That's the way to go.
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Go to surf shark dot com, slash six feet or
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use code six feet check out to get four extra
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months of surf Shark VPN. Your big music right as
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far as yeah, the I've always compared what we do
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to rock and roll as far as you know, the
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the importance of the show and the rollercoaster ride and
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even putting matches together.
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I had the U. I had the benefit of interviewing
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Gene Simmons, you know, uh yeah, in studio it busted open,
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and I learned a lot from watching Kiss perform and
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how they would put a set list together, and the
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you know, and and the flow of the show. And
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I always said, me and Devon went out there every
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single night with the intent to steal the show. I
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don't care if you were in the ring, Steve Rock,
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you guys drew the house. But when they went home,
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they were gonna be talking about us first. And when
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you went home, you spoke. You talked about Kiss, like Wow,
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what a show I saw. And that was our mentality.
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And Kiss would start off with Detroit Rock City and
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you shouted out loud and they would bring it home
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at rock and roll all night. And for me and Devon,
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it was all about you know, the what's up to
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get the tables and the three D those were our hits.
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Those were the things that we were gonna play every night.
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So that when you went home, you bought a ticket
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to see the Undertaker. But holy shit, that Dudley's blew
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my doors off, right, That was the mentality. You have
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to have that mentality. I mean, if you don't have
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that mentality, you're wasting your you're wasting your time in
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this business because you're gonna get left behind. I love that,
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and that's something that you can't teach, and it's one
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of the hardest things for I think, for this era
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now is to have that type of mentality. You got
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to go for the jugular.
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Yeah, I think. I think a lot of times. You know,
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there's a lot of there's a lot of talent all
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the way up and down the brands that get complacent
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and and once you get complacent, you stop growing and
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you get and I mean I talk about it all
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the time about never being content, right, Yeah, Stone Cold
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and Rock may have been on the top of the page,
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but you can't be content. Yeah, if you don't go
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out that you want to steal the show, Well, there
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ain't no sense even going out there.
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And here's something interesting that revolves around the word content.
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Christians as Christians, right, I believe there's a verse in
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the Bible that speaks about being content, like be happy,
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be happy, being content, which I totally get it, but
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I never wanted to be content and wrestling, so it's
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like I get the twofold message from it.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean there's in the sense that
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you want to be, that you want to be within
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your industry, if you don't strive whatever it is. I
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don't care if you put computers together or you build
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audible bit whatever it is, if you don't strive to
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be the best at it.
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Yeah, I get that too. We constantly tell our daughter that,
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like I don't care what you're doing. I don't care
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if you're scooping dog poop outside, like I want you
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to get well. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Yeah, I don't get it.
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Like my grandfather taught me at a very young age,
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if you're going to be a street sweeper, be the
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best street sweeper there is. And that's why I have
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such a respect for like the Japanese culture and wrestling
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in Japan, Like they take pride in no matter what
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they do, and that goes and that goes a long way,
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and I don't think we have enough of that here
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or maybe even even in our business.
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Today.
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Yeah, I think, yeah, if you're going to be an
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enhancement talent, be the best freaking enhancement talent you can be,
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because the boys will appreciate you for it.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I it is as proud
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as I am of where how our industry has evolved
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and how much mainstream, how much more mainstream it is,
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and this, you know, like just being down here at
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the at the at the performance center and the facilities
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and all the opportunities. It sometimes, to me is a
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little disheartening at the complacency of some of the people
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that are here.
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I don't think they realize what they have sometimes, like
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even just the fact it's their norm, right, It's their normal,
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is their normal, And I'm like, this locker room y'all have.
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I don't think I saw in thirteen years on the
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road a locker room this nice, or you know, just
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the accessibility to the gym and all these things. It's like,
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it is their normal, and it's It's.
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Come out a few times I think in a you know,
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in the course of seasons one and season two with LFG,
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where you know, I guess we're crusty old timers, but
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you know where we kind of go off because they're
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in the ring. You know, they're trying they're trying to
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sell themselves to to us, to you know, to show
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show us what they have. And they're in there laughing
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and cutting up, and.
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It's just like they don't.
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I couldn't imagine.
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When we think about the term pay your dues, it's
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almost impossible to equate paying your dues the way we
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know it to what they have down here. Yeah, there
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is no there's no struggle here. I guess there's a
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struggle in a different way, trying to navigate the waters,
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but not like the same struggles I think any of
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us went through.
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That's exactly the struggle.
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Yeah, and you start talking to me, you know people,
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oh there again there's old timers and they get this
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and they get that. But there's a there's a there's
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a certain it correlates and translates into our minds in
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the ring too, because we had to we had struggle
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that we had to overcome to do this right it.
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I know, for me, I've talked about, you know, sleeping
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in my car and not wondering, you know, if I
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was going to eat or not on a particular day.
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But those feelings. Later on, once I did, you know,
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get here, Like there were times where I drew on
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those feelings to put me in the right mindset to
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do certain things. So not only did this, you know,
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the struggle to to get booked and to become part
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of this industry, but then those those experiences like, man,
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I remember what it feels like, I remember what it
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feels like being hungry and being hurt and not having
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any way to take care of myself, right, all of
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that come back full scale, and it put a certain
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amount of grit in me. Helped me overcome, you know,
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once I started getting booked. It gave me the ability
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to deal with the old timers of of my you know, generation,
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of how to deal with them in a sense of
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you know, because it was a lot different there was
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you know, I'm sure it was the same with you.
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There wasn't a lot of old timers that wanted to
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wanted to help you back in the day.
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I actually benefited from a short period of time where
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the old timers did want to help us because I
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broke it in the Northeast in the early nineties with
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a company called iw C CW and the you know,
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and the Tony Atlases of the world, and the Greg
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Valentine's of the world, and the Tito Santanas of the world.
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They all came through and they were willing to pass
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down the knowledge because they knew that the younger talent,
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the young boys that you know, were coming up and
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they wanted to be there because they wanted to be
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professional wrestlers. On like today, you question why somebody wants
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to be in the business if you have something dangled
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in front of you and it just sounded really good. Yeah,
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you're an amateur wrestler. You were a volleyball player, basketball player,
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and things didn't work out, and all of a sudden, hey,
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you want to be a part of this. So and
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you know, talking about the struggle from you know, for myself,
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for myself and devon, you know, the Northeast independence trying
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to carve out a name for yourself on the independent scene,
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and then trying to make a name for yourself in
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front of the most hostile crowd that ever you know,
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existed in ECW, and then becoming successful in ECW and
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then walking into this locker room. You're walking into a
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company where tag teams traditionally did not get put in
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a main event slot unless you were two singles guys
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coming together. Plus, we weren't invented here. We weren't made here.
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We weren't created and you know, we didn't get the test.
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We didn't get phone call going hello, is this the Dudley's.
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You know, we didn't get that. So we were coming
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into you know, more hostile territory and struggling to carve
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out our you know, our spot here and struggling, you know,
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for me. And we've had this conversation, struggling to learn
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how to talk to my fellow wrestlers because Paul Haman
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let us talk however we wanted to, Like so I died,
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you know, we joked about it. You know. He always
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telling me there's not a hill you won't die on,
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and there was a struggle for me to learn to
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not die on every hill. You know, Bubby, you don't
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need the extra minute. Stop arguing for two hours about
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the extra minute in the match, right, it doesn't matter.
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It was definitely an acclimation period for.
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You, you keep saying old timers. And I had the
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honor I was blessed enough to have a few segments
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with me young, which some of my favorite parts of
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my career. I mean backstay. You know, she's always rib been,
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00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:05.599
always had fun weather in the ring. Honestly thought she
489
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.079
might kill me like she was so freaking feisty. She
490
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.279
has some choice words for Layla. Myself called us a
491
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.400
few names that I won't repeat, but it's my favorite
492
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.920
part of my career. How old was she when y'all
493
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.720
put her through a table? And like, what was like?
494
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.559
Did you have any concerns? Like did you worry?
495
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.599
I don't. I don't remember having any worry because May
496
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.240
was grizzled veteran. I've always said May Young is the
497
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.799
toughest man I've ever met in my life. It is,
498
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.640
and May is one of the boys, but she is
499
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.920
tougher than any man I've ever met in this business
500
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.799
because of her willingness to do anything and everything. And
501
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.799
I tried to protect that woman at all costs, and
502
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.160
she would not let me protect her because she wanted
503
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:56.160
to take everything as realistic as possible. And the first night,
504
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.839
I don't know if you've ever heard the story, but
505
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.599
the first night I ever bodies the very first physical
506
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.839
thing I ever did to May was just body slam,
507
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.920
and I put her down very nicely, and after the
508
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.640
segment was over, she made a bee line for me
509
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.160
in the back and she grabbed me by the rest
510
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.160
like like luth As would grab you by the rest.
511
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.960
And she said, hey, hotshot, if you're gonna slam me,
512
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.599
you slam me like one of the boys. That was it.
513
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:33.759
That was it, and she was she was more than
514
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.680
willing to do anything. And after we put her through
515
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.400
a table in the ring, and then after we put
516
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.279
her through the table off the stage, I was standing
517
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.559
right next to her when she went to Vince McMahon
518
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.839
and she said, I want the kid to do me
519
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.920
off the top of the cage. Wow.
520
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.720
And she was serious.
521
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.079
She was serious and vincious laughed okay man, you know,
522
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.480
but she wanted to keep taking it to the next level.
523
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.960
And I will always credit May you know on social
524
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.920
media on May's birthday and on May and the day
525
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.519
May passed away. I always try to, you know, show
526
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.599
the reverence and the respect because we all need somebody
527
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:11.920
to get us over in this business.
528
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:12.960
You can't do it alone.
529
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.359
And May Young put the Dudley's on the map in
530
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.519
the w W E. I don't know if there's any
531
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.400
one person who helped us as much as she did
532
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:25.480
by giving us her body.
533
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.079
Yeah, that was as incredible.
534
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.079
I gave her body one night to JBL in the
535
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.400
ring by taking off her bathing suit. And she's ribbing
536
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.400
me and Tory the whole time, Like we had a
537
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.319
swimsuit competition and May was out there dancing. She got
538
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.680
one strap down and Toy and I're like, May, May, May.
539
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.039
She's pushing us off, fighting us off, like literally, you know,
540
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.000
manhandling us. Gets the other strap down. She's like, no,
541
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.480
I'm gonna give JBL a show. We're like, die, I'm
542
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:48.759
a guy.
543
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.880
I'm not. So there's a lot of things that I
544
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.160
don't remember, but that I do remember that and it
545
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.400
was like it's kind of like a really bad car accident,
546
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.039
like you don't want to look at it, but you
547
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.599
can't help but not look right.
548
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.440
And it was just like how far is she going?
549
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.839
I'm not going to pull back the curtain too much,
550
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.799
but there is something called wrestler's court. One time in
551
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:21.480
Wrestler's Court, the subject of viagra came up and May
552
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:25.160
Young stood up and she goes, I don't know what
553
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:33.319
you're all complaining about. I love that Niagara.
554
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.519
Niagara. Oh, she's the best. That's hilarious.
555
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:44.039
Yeah, that was That was Teddy, right, went on, I'm
556
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:49.079
gonna tell you all of it. He may or may
557
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:55.079
not have been brought up on charges of selling free
558
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.359
samples of Niagara Niagara.
559
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.559
To the boys. Goodness.
560
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.799
Yeah, I think if people really knew some of the
561
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.240
lunacy that happened backstage and in the locker room, like
562
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.839
on the road.
563
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.640
I mean, I've heard your stories, like, is there a
564
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:16.039
story that you think only the Dudley Boys could survive
565
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.680
on the road, like any crazy He might have been through.
566
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.359
A lot of amazing adventures together. And one of my
567
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.319
favorite stories was working in New Orleans one night and
568
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.599
we had just finished Monday Night Raw and we get
569
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.799
back to the hotel and there's about three or four
570
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.400
cop cars in front of the hotel and Devon's driving
571
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.920
and he just looks at me and he goes, I
572
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.759
swear it wasn't me. I didn't do it. Divon was
573
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.880
notorious forgetting guess, getting us in a little trouble every
574
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:50.279
now and then with his extracurricular activities. Anyway, He's like,
575
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.640
I swear it wasn't me. It was me. We get
576
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.559
to the hotel, we get out of the car and
577
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.160
all the cops are like, Boba, Devon, we heard you
578
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.640
were staying here. We just wanted to come say hello.
579
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.519
I'm like, okay, cool, this is great. Hey guys, how
580
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.039
are you. They're like, can we please take some pictures
581
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.359
and autographs? And I was like, yeah, sure, sure, sure,
582
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.720
I said, wait, I said, you guys want pictures and autographs? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
583
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.160
all of you. Yeah, yeah, I go, we want to
584
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.200
police escort down to Bourbon Street tonight. And they're like oh.
585
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.920
They all huddled up and they all get together and
586
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.839
they're like okay, fine, fine, but you know we take
587
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.279
pictures like yep, no problem, no, probably one last thing.
588
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.160
I want to drive. And the sergeant or the head
589
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:37.880
guy looked at me because are you serious. I go,
590
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.799
you can have you all the pictures you want, you
591
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:41.359
can have all the autographs you want.
592
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.720
I want to drive down to Bourbon.
593
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:55.079
Street, okay, New Orleans.
594
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.039
That gosh.
595
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.839
But you know, there was a certain point during that
596
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.519
attitude era where we basically all got away with anything anything.
597
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.240
It was we were all like the Beatles at one time.
598
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.880
The entire company was it was insane. It was it
599
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.359
was nuts. I'll tell you. I'll give you a great
600
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.559
example of that. I went to I went to Las Vegas,
601
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.400
and uh, I'm not sure if if Godfather was working
602
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.279
at the time, like he would come in and go out.
603
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.119
I almost want to say that he wasn't working at
604
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:41.279
this particular time. And we went into a bar that
605
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.000
that he he actually used to work there, but in
606
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.240
Vegas on a it was either a Friday or Saturday night.
607
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.880
We go in the bar, we said, we there's just
608
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.400
the two of us and the place.
609
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.079
Is just packed. It is wall to wall people. And
610
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.799
in the middle of this, in the middle of.
611
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.480
The bar, there's like a big round table, you know,
612
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.400
the the tables like they all use with the round
613
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.840
version of it. The big one probably set twelve people.
614
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.719
The manager of the bar goes up to this table
615
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.119
full of people and tells them that they have to
616
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.639
get up now. There's drinks all over the table there
617
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.599
and they're obviously spending money and having a good time.
618
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.719
He makes them get up, and I'm kind of like,
619
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.039
you don't, you don't need right, and he goes, no, no, no, no,
620
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:42.559
you guys are guests of the club. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah.
621
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.360
It bears like Hey, it's Vegas. This is how they
622
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.719
this is how it rolls, right. So we sat down,
623
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.480
just the two of us at this table for five
624
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.400
tables for twelve and then they come by and they
625
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.239
put a big bottle at Jack Daniels right in the
626
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.599
middle of it, say guys, have a good time, yep,
627
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.280
and we got Now this.
628
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.079
Is where it gets really.
629
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.760
So we were there, you know, maybe an hour, hour
630
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.920
and a half. We decided we want to go somewhere else.
631
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.280
Tell the waitress, hey, we're gonna you know, thank you
632
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.719
all for your hospital. We're gonna probably come back, but
633
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.880
we're gonna go somewhere else.
634
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:17.280
So we did.
635
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.159
We went to an we went to another place, probably
636
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.840
gone again another hour, maybe two hours is Vegas. It
637
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.880
doesn't close. We come back, we walk in the bar,
638
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.320
the table's still empty, and the bottle of Jack.
639
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:33.159
Is setting on the table.
640
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:34.639
Amazing.
641
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.480
I was I just stopped.
642
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:41.320
I was like dude and like bears, like yeah, Vegas man,
643
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.880
just but you were so you guys were just so over.
644
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.199
It was just nuts. Yeah.
645
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.599
That the attitude era is the closest I think I
646
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.199
would ever know what it would be like to be
647
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.599
the Beatles or the Rolling Stones.
648
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.360
And you're telling that story, and a story just came
649
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:00.519
rushing back that I have never told about. You're like
650
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.599
kind of being like the Beatles. I was living in
651
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.119
Orlando at the time, and I have to fly to
652
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.400
Connect in Atlanta to get to wherever. And I remember
653
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.360
that we were delayed out of Orlando, and I knew
654
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.159
I was not going to make my connection, and we
655
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.599
all had a guy at Delta at the time who
656
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.000
had a guy at Delta United whatever. So I called
657
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.039
my big wig friend at Delta and I said, Hey, buddy,
658
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.119
I'm not going to make my connection in Atlanta. Can
659
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.559
you please reschedule me on the next flight? Out shut
660
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.559
my phone off and that was it. I figured when
661
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.840
I get to Atlanta, he'll leave me a message or whatever.
662
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.719
The minute we land in Atlanta, there's only about ten
663
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.000
minutes before my next flight takes off, and I pick
664
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.400
up my phone and I got a message from my
665
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.239
friend and he goes, hey, Bubba, listen, no worries. I
666
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.039
don't have to put you on the next flight because
667
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.239
I just moved the gate for your connection plane. So
668
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.000
you're landing at a ten you're taking off out of Ala,
669
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.519
and I just moved the planes for you.
670
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.480
Okay, that's a whole different status. Like that's like, that's
671
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.280
like what.
672
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.000
I had to replay the message and then I called
673
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:14.320
them and I said, buddy, I'm like, you moved the gates.
674
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.519
You move the He's like, yeah, you're gonna make your connection. Dang,
675
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.480
Like wow, that's that's just that's right.
676
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.519
There is what regional titles will do.
677
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:27.159
Right.
678
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.480
But when you pay your dues the way we talk
679
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.039
about paying our dues and you have moments like that,
680
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.039
it's like, wow, whoa holy if you just handed everything
681
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.760
from the beginning, you'll never appreciate You'll never appreciate the
682
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.159
bottle of Jack Daniels there three hours later.
683
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:42.599
Yeah.
684
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.719
No, absolutely, Yeah, there's there's a yeah, there's a certain
685
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.119
appreciation for those kind of things when you when you
686
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.360
do pay your dues and you come up the right
687
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.800
way and with the are you ready to hold w
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waited this long, man, but huge news with the uh
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with with with busted open man?
711
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Holy?
712
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How how exciting is that? I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
713
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.960
I'm gonna let you kind of talk about it. But uh,
714
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:34.800
y'all have gone from being a show to having your
715
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716
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is that? And how special is that?
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Man?
718
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Well?
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Thank you first of all, it's it's amazing, and it's
720
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.639
amazing because for me, it's life outside of the ring,
721
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.000
and I've worked as hard in radio as I have
722
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.360
inside of a ring, and my goal was to steal
723
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:08.559
the show and become memorable. And eight years ago when
724
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.920
I joined Bust Open and myself and Dave Lagreca first
725
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.719
got together, we had an instant chemistry. You know, It's
726
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like you and Sean, you just have something where you
727
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.679
could be yourself, and me and Dave just had something
728
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.119
where I could be myself. And the way me and
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00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:32.800
Dave Logreca came together was actually arguing go figure no
730
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.800
about a match that he had watched in Japan, Kenny
731
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.079
Omega versus Okada, and Dave went on social media and
732
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.840
he said that this was the greatest professional wrestling match
733
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.800
he had ever seen. And we start, We're on the phone,
734
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.920
we're texting back. I go, how can a guy like you,
735
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.599
a pro wrestling traditionalist who lives and dies by flair steamboat,
736
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.079
ever say that Okada Omega is the best match you've
737
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.440
ever seen? And we're going back and forth. I'm like,
738
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.440
but the referee was out on the floor and it's
739
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.800
a world championship bats. He shouldn't be there and they
740
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.719
used the table. It should be a DQ. We're going
741
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.760
back and forth, back and forth, and as me and
742
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.559
him are going back and forth on the phone, I'm like,
743
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:24.559
this is great radio. And my exact words to him was,
744
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.800
how do you feel about taking your show to the
745
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.280
next level? And he's like, what do you mean? I
746
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.599
was like, what if me and you did something? Theah?
747
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:34.960
He's like, you would want to be a part of this?
748
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.519
I said absolutely, And I had that vision of what
749
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.360
like Shannon Sharpe does now, I want to any type
750
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.760
of you know, former pro or Hall of Famer analyst
751
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.199
and you know, the host of the show. And I said,
752
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.400
let's take this to radio because I think we'll have something.
753
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.880
I knew that the me and the day that me
754
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.679
and Devon stepped in a ring together. I didn't know
755
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.719
what it was, but I knew it was something. Me
756
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.639
and Devon had a chemistry and that just worked so well.
757
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.800
And I felt that with Dave immediately. And then you know,
758
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:13.239
we started off three days a week, and then it
759
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.639
went to five days a week, and then we went
760
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.280
seven days a week and the goal was busted open
761
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.719
twenty four to seven. We had the same vision for
762
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.400
a radio station that Vince McMahon had for the WWE network.
763
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:31.480
You know, he knew that wrestling fans were always jonesing
764
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.280
and clamoring for wrestling content. They don't care when they
765
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.440
just want it whenever they want it. And that's how
766
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.800
it is with the Busted Open fan base, the Busted
767
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.800
Open Nation, who has been so loyal. I mean, we
768
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.000
have we have fans that tell me. The big thing
769
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.880
is when I first got into radio, the big wigs
770
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.559
try to tell me they only listened for seven or
771
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:58.440
eight minutes a day, and I'm like, no, they don't.
772
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.440
They listened to the whole show, and they're like, you're new,
773
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.320
you don't get it. I was like, you're not in there,
774
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:04.840
you don't get it. I go, you're not You're in
775
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.159
You're not in the radio business anymore. You're in the
776
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:11.360
wrestling business. Right. That's on radio. I go. Wrestling fans
777
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.480
will stick and stay for the entire show. They it's
778
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.239
kind of like the Howard Stern mentality. They want to
779
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.719
hear what you're going to say next. And it became
780
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.920
where people would be like I listened for all three
781
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.159
hours and then people were like, well, I listened for
782
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:27.800
six hours, and I'd be like, how do you listen
783
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.239
for six hours? Like, oh, we listened to the retail
784
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.440
So I'm like, you listen to the same show for
785
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.920
another three hours. They're like, yeah, absolutely, that's how loyal
786
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.519
the fan base is. So now the entire you know,
787
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:44.440
it used to be Pro Wrestling, MMA and boxing. Right
788
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.960
now it's just busted open, you know, Pro Wrestling Nation
789
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:50.320
twenty four to seven.
790
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.960
That is that is amazing, And I think it's it's
791
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:59.320
a testament because the authenticity of the conversations, the arguments,
792
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.639
the it's so.
793
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:03.599
It's so refreshing.
794
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:08.000
It really is, because you have Dave's perspective as I
795
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.639
would super fan. I don't think that's a without a doubt,
796
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.280
right the super fan that's not a you know, that's
797
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.519
not a knock. Obviously you've performed at the highest levels.
798
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.639
I mean, just to get all of these different perspectives
799
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.559
and my gosh, the roster now you got Dreamer and
800
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:25.719
Mark Nick.
801
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.239
Yeah, it's it's a it's a nice it's a it's
802
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.599
a nice miss mix of everybody and you get all
803
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.559
these different, you know, perspectives on everything and wrestling fans
804
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.039
love to argue with one another. Oh yeah, so now
805
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.079
they hear us arguing and they love to take sides.
806
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.079
They get into it. They're passionate about it, and that's
807
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.400
what really has you know, grown the station once again.
808
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.800
I'll go back to rock and roll. Kiss named their
809
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.679
fan base. It was called the Kiss Army. Army and man,
810
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.840
when you join the Kiss Army, you got a card,
811
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.840
and you've got the tattoos, and you got the newsletter
812
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.400
you I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it because as a kid,
813
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.800
I was a part of the Kiss Army. I was
814
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.639
a part of something. I was a part of a revolution.
815
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:16.880
I was special. You know, I paid for my ID card.
816
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.599
But the you know, the busted open nation, the fan base,
817
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.000
if they don't listen as many hours a day that
818
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.760
they listen, if they don't hashtag and get us trending
819
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.159
every day, we can't become a twenty four to seventh station.
820
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.679
So in ECW we always used to talk about the
821
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.400
loyalty of the fan base and how rabid they were
822
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.719
and how they would go to war with us. It's
823
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:41.679
the same thing with the busted open fan base, the
824
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.239
bus and open nation. They're the ones that deserve, you know,
825
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.199
the credit for allowing us to go out there and
826
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.519
argue and entertain and do what we do.
827
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.199
Yeah, it really the evolution of it. It's just been
828
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.400
really fun to watch. And how many how many different
829
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.480
shows like when you guys, so through the course of
830
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.360
if it's twenty four to seven, how many different shows.
831
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:08.920
Are they're going to be.
832
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.400
There's the regular Busted Open show that airs every morning
833
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.639
from nine am to noon and on Saturdays and Sundays.
834
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.559
Also there's a twelve to two show that's being hosted
835
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.320
by Sam Roberts. There's a two to four show that's
836
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.800
being hosted by Jonathan Coachman. Peter Rosenberg is a part
837
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:37.400
of the crew. Nick Nemoth, Matt Cardona, Maddie Knightheart. Maddy's
838
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.760
you know with us on the show now. So there's
839
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.039
along with obviously Dave the creator of the show, you know,
840
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.239
the number one co host in pro wrestling, you know,
841
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:51.760
Bubbare and Mark Henry and Tommy Trim.
842
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:59.599
Also runs yeah, yeah, also co Starry. Yeah, that's really exciting, man,
843
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.480
And I know the works y'all put in so much
844
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.280
work and have taken the steps to grow this thing.
845
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.079
I remember I don't know if it was.
846
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.159
I think it was probably setting up in the in
847
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.519
the in the coaches chairs up here. We talked about
848
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.079
like I remember asking you, like, how much pro wrestling
849
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.280
do you consume through the course of a week, Like,
850
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.519
because I leave when I leave, when I leave, usually
851
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.079
on Thursdays, when we leave LFG Like, dude, I am fried.
852
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:29.880
He does. He's told me before, like, I just got
853
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.000
to take a break because my mind keeps going. He's like,
854
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.719
I can't talk about it anymore.
855
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:38.400
I don't have to watch entire segments to get the
856
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.599
gist of the business being done, and I'm able to
857
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.559
break it down. I don't have to watch transitional headlocks
858
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.519
and type you know, yeah, leg bars and all that stuff.
859
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.000
I can analyze a segment and then bring it onto
860
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.559
the radio and talk about it. It is a lot
861
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.519
to consume. My job is to watch pro wrestling at
862
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.840
night and talk about it in the morning, right, and
863
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.320
then at night too with bust it open after dark.
864
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.039
I had an idea, like two years ago, I said,
865
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.679
what if we had once again rock and roll? I
866
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.159
always remembered coming out of a concert I went to
867
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:14.719
go see Kiss. I wanted to go see Motley Crue
868
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.880
and to go to ac DC, and as soon as
869
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.159
I would get in my car, I would turn on
870
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.239
the local radio station because they were doing an after concert,
871
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.519
you know, like party or listening event on the radio,
872
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:29.199
kind of like tailgating. You're in the parking lot, you're
873
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.599
celebrating with all the other Kiss Army fans, and all
874
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:33.840
of a sudden you turn on the local station and
875
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.639
they're playing you know, Detroit Rock City and the party
876
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.920
continues in the parking lot. Let's do the same thing
877
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.920
with live pro wrestling. What if we do a show
878
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:48.000
that comes on right after any of the live show
879
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.920
goes off the air, So raw goes off the air,
880
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.000
boom bust. It open after dark, and the nighttime show
881
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:57.119
is a lot different than the daytime show. And it's
882
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:01.679
also allowed me to kind of branch out and give
883
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.480
us side of me that people don't expect, because on
884
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.199
the daytime show, I'm Bully Ray, I'm Bubba Ray. You know,
885
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.119
it's the hard analyst, it's the this is the way
886
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.000
it's gonna be and blah blah blah.
887
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:14.719
But at night I'm Uncle Bully.
888
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:18.440
Yeah, you know, I'm that fun radio DJ that I
889
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.159
grew up on you know, the kind of mix between
890
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.960
you know, Paul Stanley and David Lee Roth and you know,
891
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.920
just you know, given given relationship advice and talking about
892
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.760
pro wrestling and listening to rock and roll and it's fun.
893
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.679
I tell you, you're you're really good at it. You know,
894
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.320
I do a lot obviously, you know I'm a fake
895
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.920
podcaster right now, but I've been on quite a few
896
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.239
and I really enjoyed the time that.
897
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.039
I spent with you doing your show.
898
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:53.679
You just know, you have a very interesting uh you know,
899
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.159
obviously your your knowledge of the business, but the way
900
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.880
you present yourself and the way you ask questions it
901
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.519
makes it engaging. I don't feel like that I'm just
902
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.599
you know, yeah, I'm not just regurgitating everything that I've
903
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:11.159
said on other shows. You have a very interesting perspective.
904
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:16.480
And you know, Dare, I might say that this this
905
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.239
may be your biggest act yet, I mean, which is
906
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.320
the current one? So I hope it is, you know
907
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:23.719
what I mean?
908
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.760
Absolutely like that's life after the Undertaker, right It's it's
909
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.119
it's barely got a pulse.
910
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.719
But no, I just I, like I said, I've done
911
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.360
a lot of shows and I really, I really enjoyed
912
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.360
doing yours because it never got you know, it was
913
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.280
always interesting and there was always something going on and
914
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.920
you ask pertinent questions and uh, I don't know that
915
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:50.920
I can put you over anymore.
916
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:51.639
But I appreciate it.
917
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.519
But that that just that's an honest assessment of what
918
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:55.920
you do.
919
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:56.320
Thank you.
920
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.079
And one of my favorite parts of our our chat
921
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.719
on Busted Open after Dark was we were talking about
922
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.400
WrestleMania matches and I said, well, you have to have
923
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.440
a favorite, you're still a fan at the end of
924
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.679
the day. We all and he talked about Savage and
925
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.639
Steamboat from WrestleMania three, and I'm like really, and he's like, yeah,
926
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.239
it was the greatest match ever from going Yeah, but
927
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.320
they practiced it for three months and they wrote it
928
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:18.760
down on paper and they did.
929
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.360
This and they did and he looks at me and
930
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:21.639
he goes, you.
931
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.800
Just killed it for me, my favorite match anywhere, Like, oh,
932
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:32.239
that's the reality, and there's there's.
933
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:36.639
Parade.
934
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.280
Yeah, that's funny because people when you've been around the
935
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.400
business as long as I have, and you know, people
936
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.840
growing up, they just assume like that I have like
937
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.880
all this knowledge of other you know, like I could
938
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.760
maybe name you two people from Japan. There's not a
939
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.800
move done today that I can give.
940
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:57.760
You the actual name for.
941
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.880
It's like that's why I called everything flippy doos. And
942
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.800
it's just like I don't I don't study it. Like
943
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.039
when I was in the you know, when I was
944
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.880
in the grind, like, I didn't you know, I didn't
945
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:11.519
watch others.
946
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.920
I watched what we were doing.
947
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.840
I watched who was on top, what they were doing,
948
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.920
and how I thought that I could get myself. So
949
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.760
it's funny like there's guys will be in the ring
950
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.320
and they will say, yeah, then we'll do a uh
951
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.840
you know, a food you are And I'm like, it
952
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:31.599
was like a food you are arm bar, but like
953
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:33.840
I do know that. But I'm just like they'll start
954
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:37.280
throwing stuff out and I have to do this like hmm,
955
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.480
and then when there's a break in the conversation, I'll
956
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:39.719
have to.
957
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.880
Go, hey, what was that?
958
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:42.960
Look that up real quick.
959
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.119
I think it's a back moon salt to do it, Like,
960
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.519
oh yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, I've got no clue, right.
961
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.599
I always called things a gimmick bomb.
962
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.559
I think flippy doo is my my.
963
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:58.960
Go to is flippy doos and check this out.
964
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.599
Like so he going back to that WrestleMania three match
965
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.559
and to put it into real perspective. And we talked
966
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.280
about this a little bit, and for anybody else who
967
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.920
hasn't heard it, I encourage him to really think about this.
968
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:14.159
What was voted the number one match in WrestleMania history,
969
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:18.400
You and Sean? You and Sean. I don't remember if
970
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.079
it was twenty five, twenty five.
971
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:28.880
It is that I don't put my I don't put
972
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.440
my shit over I just did, but that that is
973
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:34.800
the exception that I will.
974
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.599
So the number one match in WrestleMania history was Taker
975
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.320
and Sean, and I think Savage Steamboat was voted maybe
976
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.800
like three or or four whatever. And you know the
977
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.079
story behind Savage Steamboat is how much time and effort
978
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.960
they put into it? And how much time and effort
979
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.000
did you and Sean put into it? Compared to WrestleMania three,
980
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.119
which considered the greatest match of all time, one of
981
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.480
the greatest matches of all time. How much effort pre
982
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.679
match effort did you and want to put into it?
983
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.239
Almost none? And you were number one.
984
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:05.119
That's crazy.
985
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.440
That's the beauty for me.
986
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:10.760
Yeah, that's that's what should be. But in this art
987
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.239
form that we do, that's number one to me. If you,
988
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.360
if you and Sean talked about it for three months,
989
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.400
probably you'd probably want to kill each other first of all.
990
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:25.000
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well thank you for that. Yeah, absolutely, No,
991
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.239
that is if you're going to get me talking about myself,
992
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:28.800
that's the one.
993
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.239
That's the word, that's the way to go.
994
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.079
And I've been and I told you a couple of
995
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:35.519
weeks ago, you got so caught up in your career
996
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.239
that you really don't know what's going on on the outside.
997
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:38.519
Yeah.
998
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.320
I was so caught up in ninety seven ninety eight
999
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:45.000
in ECW that we really didn't know what was going
1000
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.320
on on the outside. And because we were part of
1001
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.039
this thing, this special thing that was going on, we
1002
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.039
were like we were the ramones, we were the sex pistols.
1003
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.760
We were causing, we were stern people up and causing
1004
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.400
things to happen, and wrestling that trickled.
1005
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:01.159
All the way up here.
1006
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.719
I just started watching these documentaries the other day about
1007
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.719
him and Steve, and I had totally forgotten about it.
1008
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.599
I walked up to it and go, Wow, you and
1009
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:19.559
Steve were really good. I was so caught up that
1010
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.400
I forgot and when I get to watch what you
1011
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.039
guys did now, because I've matured in life and matured
1012
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.760
in the business, and you understand thingk you appreciate the
1013
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.239
beauty in the simplicity of what you guys were doing
1014
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.960
because the characters are so over that you don't have
1015
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.559
to do that much. And then to learn more about
1016
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.440
you and Sean and you know, back in the day
1017
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.800
you weren't best friends, but holy crap, the magic that
1018
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.639
you can make to you that's that's the true beauty
1019
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:53.559
to me. And you know, beauty is in the eye
1020
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:54.159
of the beholder.
1021
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:54.639
It's art.
1022
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.320
What you see I might not see. But I have
1023
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.840
a new appreciation and for things that I knew it
1024
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.400
happened in the past, but didn't get to look at
1025
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:05.480
them through the same eyes.
1026
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.239
So tell them about favorite WrestleMania matches. What's your favorite
1027
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:11.079
WrestleMania match.
1028
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.480
I do have a favorite match as a fan because
1029
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:23.119
of the electricity that was created in the building that night.
1030
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.719
And I have a very self serving favorite WrestleMania match.
1031
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:33.440
I really enjoyed what Rock and Hogan were able to
1032
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:39.639
do in Toronto. That was special. Now you're you're admitting
1033
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.960
that that was special, and you've been involved in so
1034
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:47.679
many special moments yourself. There's something about that night, the
1035
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.760
electricity and what they were able to do on the fly,
1036
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.000
well as close to on the fly as it gets.
1037
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.079
So I really enjoyed that from a personal point of view.
1038
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:03.639
I'm I'm gonna say TLC two and this goes back
1039
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.840
to my mentality of stealing the show and going for
1040
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.679
the jugular. A couple of years ago. I got to
1041
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.199
do Steve's podcast, right, and the first question he asked
1042
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.239
me and he gets in my face. He goes, who
1043
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.840
put all the asses in the seats for WrestleMania? They said,
1044
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.639
you and Rock who stole the show? We did?
1045
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:29.559
And he popped you. He goes, damn right, you did.
1046
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.840
He goes, nobody could follow you.
1047
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:40.559
To be a tag team at WrestleMania with our other
1048
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:44.280
brothers in tag team wrestling, who we all created something
1049
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:48.159
special here during the most special time of the WWE
1050
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.119
Attitude era. And to be able to have everybody talking
1051
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.519
about us on the way out. Like earlier, I said,
1052
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.480
you might have put the asses in the seats, but
1053
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.360
they're gonna be talking about us on the way out.
1054
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:01.800
And tag teams to be able to do that in
1055
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.719
the WWE at WrestleMania absolutely unheard.
1056
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.559
Of, unheard of, Yeah, and I was.
1057
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.000
Very proud of what we were able to create with
1058
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.960
that and I will remember it for the rest of
1059
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.960
my life. And when we got inducted into the Hall
1060
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.239
of Fame, it was very important for me and Devon
1061
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.320
to bring Matt and Jeff and Edge and Christian up
1062
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.719
on stage with us because we knew that we had
1063
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.599
never We never wanted to do the match again. Much
1064
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.119
like you don't want to put that that hat and
1065
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:29.719
you know, leather on again. We don't ever want to
1066
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.119
be in that ring again because we cannot top that
1067
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.639
what we did. It's impossible. And I wanted to Me
1068
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.639
and Devon wanted the wrestling fans to have that last
1069
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:41.599
moment with us where they could see the six of
1070
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.119
us in one place at one time if it were
1071
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.280
to never happen again. So those are my favorite WrestleMania
1072
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:48.800
matches and moments, and as a fan.
1073
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:50.960
I appreciate that too. It was a cool it was
1074
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.760
a very cool moment.
1075
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:58.679
Thanks, Yeah, Yeah, Edge and Christian, the Hardys, you guys,
1076
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.360
I think you guys obviously put tag team wrestling on
1077
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.960
the map as far as the WWE. I mean that
1078
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.679
alone you should be proud of. But stealing the show
1079
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:15.320
with the headliners that were on that show, and.
1080
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.960
That's a that's a that's a just no easy task,
1081
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:19.280
no easy task at all.
1082
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:22.159
We're very We're very proud of it. We're very and
1083
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.119
it's just because you know the history of tag teams
1084
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.239
in the WWE, the tag teams were never ever the
1085
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:33.360
focal point, right, And you know, there were never plans
1086
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.480
for the Hardy's, there was never plans for Edging Christian
1087
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.880
And despite the WWE recruiting us really hard from e
1088
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.719
c W, then there never plans for the Dudleys, right,
1089
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.920
And then all of a sudden, the three of us,
1090
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:52.000
the three teams got together and to Vince's credit, there's
1091
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:53.840
something there. Let's run with this.
1092
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.679
Yeah, And I know, you know, trying to kind of
1093
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:02.519
crack in be one of those epic tag teams like
1094
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.440
me and you know, Caine and I tried to get
1095
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.440
in that mix, and you just split my head open
1096
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:08.559
and said, get out of here, kid.
1097
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.719
I left it alone for the first time. I left alone.
1098
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:18.679
You were feeling, I'm not going to talk.
1099
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:21.280
You were feeling way too good about yourself.
1100
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:22.880
Bubba down.
1101
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.559
You were just you were getting you were you were
1102
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.039
in your fields, and I was like, this is it.
1103
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.280
It's time to strike. Strike him and his big red
1104
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:35.800
machine brother to step.
1105
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.039
You are teams. So exactly.
1106
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:42.079
How did it happen?
1107
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.760
No, exactly, like I've heard his version.
1108
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.679
Svon handed me the chair the wrong way.
1109
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:54.280
Thus, Wow, thus.
1110
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.960
Handed me the chair the wrong way. Thus when I hit,
1111
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.519
I was supposed to hit him in the back, but
1112
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:03.159
I hit him in.
1113
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.440
The back of the head because of the chair.
1114
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.840
Because of Devon handing me the chair the wrong way.
1115
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:15.239
Okay, so it is fault is earlier, so it makes sense.
1116
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.280
We we we ran. We ran down the ramp to
1117
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.280
hit him and Cane in the back with chairs, and
1118
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.679
I didn't take into account the angle of the ramp,
1119
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.199
so I was actually higher than him, and when I
1120
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.119
swung what I was aiming for his back, it rode high.
1121
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:36.800
But even with the angle, I bet if the chair
1122
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:37.679
was turned the right way.
1123
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:45.559
Absolutely, it's always the math man the angles. Yeah, that's
1124
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.039
I don't know that I've ever really heard that explanation before.
1125
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.159
I don't listen. I know you had Devon on your
1126
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:56.719
podcast already. I don't understand why you would ever invite
1127
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.760
Divon on first, but I do know you.
1128
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.800
Yeah, he threw you under the bus right away.
1129
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.119
That's why I threw him back on it. Perfect.
1130
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:15.159
Oh man, uh well, obviously you and Devon or your
1131
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.159
your place in tag team history is cemented.
1132
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:20.599
Now.
1133
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:26.400
I heard that again. My wrestling knowledge is probably not
1134
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.239
where it should be. But did I Someone told me
1135
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:36.320
that you y'all started or went? You went to e
1136
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.559
c W only on a dare, someone dared.
1137
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.280
You to do it, not necessarily a dare, but my
1138
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.840
friends dragged me to my first e c W show.
1139
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:54.199
I used to run run a nightclub in Queens, New York,
1140
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.159
and I remember working at the door collecting the money
1141
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.239
and it was about one o'clock in the morning, and
1142
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.559
the place is past and I could only see the
1143
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.960
TVs were on at the bar, but there was no sound.
1144
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:11.480
And this wrestling show comes on the Sunshine Network or
1145
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:15.119
the Yes Network, whatever it was, and I see a
1146
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:23.119
guy walking to the ring wearing American flag zubas a
1147
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.760
T shirt with his image on it. He's smoking a cigarette,
1148
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.760
he's drinking a beer, and he's holding a cane in
1149
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.239
his hand. It's taking him all day to get to
1150
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.880
the ring, longer than your entrance, and.
1151
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.000
That's long long.
1152
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:47.599
And he's with Nancy Sullivan at the time, woman, and
1153
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:49.840
I'm like, I know Nancy, God rest her soul. I
1154
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:53.320
know Nancy, But who is this guy? And why is
1155
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:54.920
it taking him so long to get to the ring
1156
01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:56.360
and why is he smoking?
1157
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.519
In questions?
1158
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:01.639
I'm like, what kind of wrestling is this? And I
1159
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.760
was coming up in the you know, rank's, trying to
1160
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.239
make for name for myself. And I looked at that
1161
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.519
TV and I go, I would never wrestle for that
1162
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:13.639
wrestling company. That's not real wrestling. That's trash. Yeah, that's
1163
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.199
what works. And I had set a goal for myself.
1164
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:17.960
I said, if I don't make it in five years,
1165
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.559
I'm going to give this up. I'm going into the
1166
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:21.960
family business. I gave it my best shot. You know,
1167
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:26.760
it didn't work out. And on September twenty third, nineteen
1168
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.679
ninety five, a bunch of friends of mine that I
1169
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.840
was coming up in the ranks with on the Northeast
1170
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.480
Independent said, come on, let's drive to Middletown, New York.
1171
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.119
Bring your VHS tape, bring your eight by tens. You
1172
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:43.639
never know what could happen. And they basically dragged me
1173
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.239
in the car. And I get to the show and
1174
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.239
I see Tommy Dreamer in the parking lot and I'm like, hey, man,
1175
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:52.360
you know you think you can get me on the
1176
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.559
show tonight. Give me a look. Hecaus, yeah, I'll see
1177
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.159
what I can do. And this is a very long
1178
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.440
story that I will make short. But tom he comes
1179
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.159
back to me and he says, you're gonna get a
1180
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:04.760
shot tonight. Just no matter whatever they tell you to do,
1181
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.239
do it to the best of your ability, and don't
1182
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:12.000
ask questions. Okay, show starts. I'm in my gear. I'm
1183
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.360
looking at the lineup. My name's not there. Third matches
1184
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.159
in the ring. Nobody's told me a damn thing. Fifth
1185
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.119
matches in the ring. I don't know what I'm doing.
1186
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.719
So now I go up to the promoter. I go
1187
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.639
up to the booker, a guy that you might know, M.
1188
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:34.880
Paul Hammond. Sir Tommy told me I was going to
1189
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.639
get a look tonight. I don't see my name on
1190
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:43.159
the lineup. I'm sorry if I'm disturbing you. Don't worry, kid.
1191
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:46.239
When the time's right, I'll tell you what to do.
1192
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:53.280
The time's right, we're in intermission. We're an intermission. There's
1193
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.239
only three more matches. Now the semi main is going
1194
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.320
to the ring. Now I think I'm getting ripped. Now
1195
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:05.400
it's a risk. Now I'm getting tested. They want to
1196
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:07.519
see my reaction, and they're gonna tell me to come
1197
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:11.679
back in two weeks. Okay, somebody means when the ring,
1198
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:12.920
I went up to the poll one more time, sir,
1199
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.239
I don't mean to be a painting the ass. Blah
1200
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.079
blah blah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, you know I told you kid.
1201
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.559
When the time's right, I'll let you know. There's only
1202
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:27.039
one more match. It's the main event. First it was
1203
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:32.079
it was the public Enemy versus the gangsters and with
1204
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.280
Bill Alfonso. Bill ALFALFONSI was in the ring and the
1205
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story was nine one one, the big monster who just
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choke slam guys, was trying to get to Bill Alfonso
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and the music is playing for the main event. Paul
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Hayman pulls me on the side and says, okay, kid,
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your Bill Alfonso's bodyguard, nine to one one has been
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trying to choke slam Bill Alfonso. When nine one one
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gets in front gets to Bill, you get in front
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of him.
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He's gonna choke slam. You go get him, kid. That
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was it.
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That was it. I go out there. I'm like a
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deer in the headlights. The whole time. I looked like
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I could have been the third Nasty Boy, like, not
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that that's a good thing. And when the time was right,
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nine one one almost got to Bill Alfonso. I stepped
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in front of Bill Alfonso. Nine one one goozled me,
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and at four hundred and two pounds, I took a
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choke slam as high as Ray Mysterio could boom. I
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came back through the curtain and Paul Hayman is sitting
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there and he said, great job, kid, how do you
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feel about shaving your head?
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My hair is gone.
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Now I had the nasty boy mullet. I had the
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long hair of the mullet.
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I like if Man, Mountain Rock and Brian Knobs got together,
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not that this is a good thing exactly, And he goes,
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how do you feel about shaving your head?
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And I was. I was terrified because the two biggest
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fears I always had in wrestling was having to shave
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my head and ever ever getting the name Bubba because
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all of the heavy guys. And when when when Paul said,
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how do you feel about shaving your head? I was like,
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and before I can even say, you're where he goes,
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don't worry kid, if you don't want to do it,
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we can always find something else for you. And that
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was one of my first light bulb moments in the
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wrestling business where I was like, shave your head tomorrow.
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This is you know, people think in the wrestling business
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or in life, you know, opportunity. Opportunity doesn't go like this. Yeah,
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it goes like this. It just depends on how in
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tune you are with the situation. And the very next day,
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on twelfth Avenue in Belmar, New Jersey, on my friend
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friends stoop in the front of his house, Well the
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hair came off and that was it.
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Is that what you get. The rest is history.
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And there and two weeks later, at three o'clock in
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the morning, doing a promo class like, we don't know
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what we're going to call this kid.
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We know he's going to be a Dudley, but what
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we call.
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Him, Well, he looks like a Billy Joe, he looks
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like a Bobby Sue, he looks like a Jim Bob.
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He looks like a bubba, And I'm like, oly.
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Sh, I hope they didn't hear that, bubba.
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I hope that Paul didn't hear that. No, No, Paul goes,
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you do look like a bubba. You look like a bubba.
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Bubba bubba.
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Ray.
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That's it, Bubba A Dudley done, and that is it.
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That's a great story.
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Well, that is a good story.
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So looking back, it was it better that he didn't
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tell you what you were going to do? Or should
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he have told you and let you worry about it
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the whole day? Throw you in the deep end and
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swim sink you're swim right.
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Here's the microphone.
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You got five minutes, get over it, get out. Yeah,
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you know, I always I always say five minutes.
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Like, if you get the opportunity to have a dark match,
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or you get any opportunity in the business, you're getting
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between three to five minutes. Yep, five tops. Go out
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there and do something to get yourself over y yeah.
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Make them cheer, make them boom, make them do something.
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So if I was sitting there, oh my god, I
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gotta take a choke for him? Is it one two jumps?
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Yeah, that was my point. You would have overanalyzed it
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to the point where you would have probably been so nervous.
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Yeah, that it wouldn't have you wouldn't have come off well.
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And that's you know. And just to wrap this up
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with the LFG, with LFG and the future Greats, I
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don't like to overdo it with them. It's like, what
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story do you want to tell? How do you want
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to tell the story? And how can you tell this
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story through the physicality? Go figure it out.
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I don't want to go over it over and over
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and over with them because I'm a big believer in
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exercising your mind the same way you exercise your body.
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And if I just tell it to you and then
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you just repeat it and memorize it, you really haven't
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learned anything.
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Yeah, that's the Yeah, I think that's That's one of
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the things I'm a little more hands on because I
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like to because that they don't understand yet. So I'm
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a little guilty of structuring sometimes well, but to that
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I'm also having to explain. I have to explain why
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we do it that way, and then again trying to
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get them the biggest thing at this level is trying
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to get them to have any feel whatsoever, because that's
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what they all want to They want to know the
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01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:53.560
move and they want to memorize the move and then they.
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Just put the series of moves together.
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But trying to get them to feel the the the
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transitions and the little things that you do when no
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one's touching you and the way you you know, that's
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the that's the magic and the art, and that's you know,
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that's the hardest obviously, that's the hardest part to really grasp.
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And in observing you, I don't even like you're doing
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things more the new school way in the old school way.
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Yeah, and what well in what sense?
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And by taking them step by step? Yeah yeah, And
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01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.600
it's just it's what's working for you. You won season
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one for a reason, you know, you're you know, Shiloh
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did well, and any and Baily did well, and Danny
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01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:41.359
did well. Anybody that you're talking it's working well. But
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in sitting back and observing, I would never expect you
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to be as hands on as opposed to go out
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and get over Yeah.
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You're that's that's changed. That's I have changed, right, I'm
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so soft now. That was the big feat back on
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season one. Oh my god, Boba the show is so good.
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01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:08.119
We love it. Undertakers so nice. What happened? Can't wait
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the television?
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Yeah yeah, something happened, man, something when that when that
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hat and went up in the closet and the coat
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got hung up.
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Man, it was just.
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I can't wait till you're like eighty riding down on it,
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like now it's a tricycle one of the or not
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even that of.
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Man.
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So, as you know, Fanatics is a big sponsor of
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01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.880
the podcast, and so we with Fanatics have taken a new,
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01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.479
a new twist on Mount Rushmore. All right, it's not
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01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.199
I'm not gonna put you on the spot whether your
1340
01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:50.079
Mount Rushmore or wrestlers, but what I want is your
1341
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:55.680
Mount Rushmore of either sports jerseys. It doesn't matter what
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01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:01.359
sport like, what's what jersey sticks out in your mind
1343
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.920
in that sense of a Mount Rushmore. Or you can
1344
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:09.279
use ring gear like your favorite ring gear. It can
1345
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.279
be your own or it could be someone else's. But
1346
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:18.680
your Mount Rushmore of sports jerseys or ring gear.
1347
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:20.760
Which my ring gear is basically what Nick Foley used
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01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:25.119
to throw away and I used to recycle. I'll do
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sports jerseys because I've never done this before, and I actually,
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as you're saying it, here's the four that came to mind.
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New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, LA Lakers, New York Rangers.
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Boom, there you go, man.
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01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.439
Bang straight to the point.
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01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.720
All all classics.
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01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.840
I mean, those were And I'm not a huge basketball fan,
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and I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I remember
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01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:51.760
the Lakers and the Celtics and the rivalry that they had,
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01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:54.880
and I always really liked the Lakers jerseys, and there
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01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:56.960
was always something about the Rangers jerseys that I like.
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01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.479
And being, you know, a Yankees fan, a fan of
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the pinstri and like you, a very miserable, old grizzled,
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01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:10.239
distrountled Dallas Cowboys, this is our year.
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01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:11.239
This is.
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01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:14.159
All right, man.
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That may be the fastest anyone's done that.
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Thank you.
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01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:17.520
That's awesome.
1368
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:20.640
Thank you man, Thank you for coming and making time
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01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:24.479
for us. I've thoroughly enjoyed this. Uh You're always fun
1370
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:27.920
to talk to. I love getting your insight and uh,
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01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.479
your perspective on things. And hey, I hope and wish
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01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:36.000
nothing but success for what it's going to be called.
1373
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:42.399
The channel has been renamed Pro Wrestling Nation, with Busted
1374
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:44.159
Open being the flagship show.
1375
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:46.079
Awesome. Man, so excited.
1376
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.359
Please tell Bill Dave that, I mean, hopefully he's going
1377
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:49.920
to watch this.
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01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:51.880
He's the biggest undertaker, Mark.
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01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.800
You said, just one more time, the hand cup, just
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01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.640
one more time, Just get break the break the news
1381
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.000
to him, break the news to him.
1382
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:00.960
It's not going to happen.
1383
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:01.199
Man.
1384
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:03.439
But again, thanks for coming on this.
1385
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:05.960
Thank you, Bob, thank you, I appreciate it.
1386
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:06.920
Come back and see us by.
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01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:07.279
Thank you.
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01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:07.840
Thanks