Inside Batman: The Animated Series with Alan Burnett

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Hi, everybody, Welcome back time again for word Balloon, the
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comic book conversation show. John sntriss with you. Alan Burnett
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joins me today on word Balloon. We talked Wenny. He
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was doing the adaptation of Batman, the animated series comic.
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Book with Paul Deny just a couple of years ago.
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But of course I had to take the opportunity and
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talk to him about the amazing Batman animated series because
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he was a story editor on it. He wrote some
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of the classic episodes, and it was a really great
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chance to find out more great behind the scenes stuff.
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And I figured, with Saturday being Batman Day, let's make
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it a Batman weekend and bring back this great conversation
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with Alan Burnett talking about Batman animated and in comic
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com slash word Balloon. Alan Burnette, Welcome to word Balloon.
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It's a pleasure to have you on. Man I. We
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had a brief press roundtable chat when Batman Gotham Night
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was debuting at Wizard Chicago got eleven years ago. I
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want to say maybe, so it's great to have you.
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Back, very good, glad to be here well.
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And am I right Allen? When it comes to animation,
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are you are you? Have you retired? Technically, I don't
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want to put words in your mouth.
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That was Oh no, I retired. I was. I was
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an animation. I was very lucky in animation. I started
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work in animation in eighty one and had never been
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without any work until I retired about two years ago.
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And I have enjoyed animation, but there comes a time
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when you want to stop and smell the roses, you know.
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And I have grandchildren and so I'm helping take care
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of them too, although right now, you know, it's a
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strange time. So indeed, yeah, so, but in any event, yeah,
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I wasn't an animation for a long time.
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I'm looking at your credits right now, and we thank
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you for your body of work all these years. And
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just as I was saying to Paul, who we recorded
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this conversation just a few minutes ago, that you've seen
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the evolution of animation and I think it's fantastic that
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you you were able to contribute as much and help
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it evolve and make it into an all ages format again,
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because we had that period in the in the seventies
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and eighties where I think well meaning parent groups really
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got involved with animation and really unfortunately dumbed the product down.
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And I think it took shows like Batman Animated Series
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and the like to kind of bring us out of
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the adul drums and give us quality entertainment again from
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an animation standpoint here in the States.
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Yeah, Well, when I think about the years I was
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an animation, what changes was how it was, how it
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was distributed. Really. I mean when I started, there were
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three networks. I worked for Hannah Barbara when I started,
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and they had on Saturday morning, they had thirteen half
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hours on Saturday morning by themselves. Wow, there are some
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time slots where they were up against their own shows
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in all three time slots. And that time, you know,
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those prehistoric days, there were only three networks. And then
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syndication came in and that started affecting things and loosening
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things up because the sensors couldn't be as strong as
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syndication as they could on the network. And then cable
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came in. I mean, it's all been a step in
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the way this stuff is distributed, how it has informed
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what you actually write or what you actually show. And
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today I got out just as streaming was coming in.
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So it's just everything changes. That is the rule of life.
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So as you guys were making these We'll get to
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the comic in a secon but as you guys were
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making these direct to video animated films, and I like, well,
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and even though it was an anthology like our Gotham Knight,
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what kind of pushback and how much did it take
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for the people upstairs the bigger offices to understand what
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you guys can do and how adult you could get,
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and also that there really was this adult audience that
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wanted this product and everything. It seemed like as each
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convention when we'd see you guys in panels and asked
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this question of you know, hey, what are you guys
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going to do? The Judas contract? When are you going
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to do And now I'm blanking the killing joke, which
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you guys saw obviously ultimately did. Yeah, you know, and
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it's like, well, you know, seventy minutes and we got it.
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It's an all ages product and all that. So, like,
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you know, how long did it take? And you know, really,
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what do you know? Was there a was there a
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single production or was it just the volume of what
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you guys were putting out where they're like, okay, we
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get it, all right, there's an adult audience there.
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Well, I realized, you know, I realized somewhere along the
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line when I was doing the videos that like, like
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at least fifteen years ago, I realized that that the
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video people realized that their biggest audience was going wasn't
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it wasn't the mom shopping a target anymore. It was
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it was the fans. And uh. And so that's so
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from that point on, we were we really, we really
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were directing our stuff to the fans and to an
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older audience. So it was it was happening. But the
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first the first show where we were told, yeah, you
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can do R rated was killing joke. And I was
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so happy because I always wanted to be a part
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of an R rated and I have I mean, you
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can ask people. I've always been pushing for a more adult,
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more adult animation, I mean, and and so so that
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was our rated and it worked, I mean, it worked wonderfully.
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So and then after that, almost immediately I wrote a
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suicide squad, which I said, this could be our rat
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is that okay? And they were fine with it, So
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that is definitely Our material is definitely part of the mix.
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At least it was when I left, So which is y. Yeah,
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I mean, and you know what, I knew this back
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in the eighties. I mean, I knew there was a
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hunger for this kind of programming, but it was impossible
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at that time because, like I said, there were only
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three networks and they really that Saturday morning schedule was
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sort of designed to appeal from two year olds to
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eleven year olds. Sure and so so, and the earlier
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in the day that you had your show, the more
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they wanted to make shows safe for two year olds.
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That's why when I started on the super Friends, I
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got to do the last two seasons of super Friends.
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I had this dream of doing big comic book stories
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and dangerous stuff, and it was just it just didn't
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didn't happen because the strictures were so tough. But it's
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better now, much better now.
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Indeed. Well, and again, you know, back in the early eighties,
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when things like the Heavy Metal movie came out and
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it's so funny, I've been rediscovering the post heavy metal
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animated adult movies like rock and Roll and American Pop
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and some of these others.
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You know.
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Well, of course cool world backshit. You know, he's his
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own category, of course when it comes to adult animation. Well,
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getting back first of all, all right, Michael Corley on
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what drug you back into doing this digital comic back
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in your animated world but now in comic book form
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with Paul and Tye.
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Well, you know, Andrew Marino called me about of nowhere,
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and I have yet I think to meet Andrew in person.
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But they were planning on doing comic books based upon
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the animated series, and Paul had started working on them.
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I imagine you've talked with him about this, but he
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started working on some development for them, and then because
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there was a there was a hunger I guess for
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that show and doing merchandise off that show, and so
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they wanted to they wanted to continue it in this
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digital comic book format, and then Paul sort of I
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don't know the history, but it sort of died down
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and when they were coming back to it, Paul wasn't available,
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and so they gave me a call and they hit
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me at the right time, I was kind of bored,
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and so I thought, this is this would be great
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because on top of everything, I didn't have to worry
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about the continuity of other comic books. All I had
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to worry about was the continuity of my show, which
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I knew sure, And and I gave Paul a call saying,
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you sure you don't want to come back and do
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this with me? And he said, I he has, He
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had other things going on. But then after a day
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or two he called me back and said, you know,
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I think I can fit this in if we can
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do it together. And I said great. And I said, oh,
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by the way, this is this is our history. In
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the beginning of Batman the animated series, he started work
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on the series, doing work on the Bible. There were
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some people and then he saw he sort of stepped
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back from it and he wasn't going to be doing
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the show. And they called me in and I said
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to him, don't you want to do the show? Come on,
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you you got to write one thing. So I, you know,
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I brought him back to two Batman projects that he's
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uh and you know, and and thank god, So.
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That's great, man, No, And I'm glad you guys are
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doing this, and it was a great start. I loved
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the first story, especially the tea's at the end that
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we're finally going to get Batman and death stroke from
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your guys perspective, that's exciting to see. But first I
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want to ask, and I did ask Paul this, but
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I want your opinion as well, tell me about the
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Batman Luther dynamic, because really, those are two guys that
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should have been There should be hundreds of stories of literally.
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I mean, it's always great to have Superman there, but
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but really, I mean, from an intellectual standpoint, who better
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to match Lex Luthor with than Batman.
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Yeah, and they're both, you know, with Bruce Wayne, they're
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both titans of industry. Yeah, and and they both know well,
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Bruce knows Bruce is clever, the probably cleverer than Lex,
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but he doesn't let Lex in on that. But yeah,
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you're right, I mean, they're they're they're a perfect match
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in a way, and so natural to work together, to uh,
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to be at odds, to be friends as as Bruce
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and to be at odds as Batman. No, you're right,
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and so you're right, there should be more stories. Man.
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Maybe we'll do some more. I don't know, but yeah,
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he's a natural. I mean he has such an ego
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and uh Luther does. So yeah, yeah, we had we've had.
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We had good time with with that.
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No, it's a great first story. And again the the
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door is opened now, Paul, Paul let the cat out
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of the bag, and I want to ask you about
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it as well. Uh, it seems like Jason Todd might
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be making his debut in the animated universe.
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Yeah. We were supposed to keep that a secret, but
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he but it got it gets out.
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That Tannel Man of clearly a robinesque character with the
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red mask, you know, shadowing that Ty Gavin and stuff.
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I mean, you know, come on man in the best way.
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We're like, oh that's great. That meets Jason's coming back.
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Yeah. So yeah, we decided there's a there's a little
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secret history to the Batman animated series. There was another
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Robin that we never dealt with, and so we're fitting
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him in fact, it's a story we're doing right now.
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So so, and he's a great character. I mean, he
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just has a lot of he just has a lot
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of vengeance within him and and anger. And he makes
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me a great character well.
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And again, it's it's one of you know, the two
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great regrets in Batman's life are the death of his
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parents and then the failure with Jason, because you know,
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you know Jason and and and really you know, I
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handed to jud Winnick and what he did in the
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comics with Jason and stuff, and certainly as well in
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the animated movie as well. But yeah, I mean, that's
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that's terrific that that there's this one thing that Batman
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actually had technically could have had control over as opposed
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to the death of his parents, and he kind of
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failed with Jason, and I'm sure at Hatson.
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the DVD was I think probably one of the best
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one of the two of them all because it's such
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an intense and personal story that it really it really
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you really go with it, You really are.
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Absolutely. Man. Well, and again you're you and and and
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Stan Berkwitz and all of you guys that were behind
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the animated series. This isn't hyperbole when I said this.
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You guys elevated the animated properties and really told some
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really adult stories again. I was just talking to Paul
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about heart device and the evolution of mister Freeze and now, really,
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mister Freeze is now a tragic character twenty five years
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later because of what you guys did in the show.
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Yeah, and you know that was Paul's doing. I'll never forget.
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I was. I just started to work as a producer,
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and this was the situation where I was trying to
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woo Paul back into the into the corral, and I said,
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don't you it's gotta be something you want to write.
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He said, Okay, I have a story idea I'd like
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to probably work out, so I'll get that to you.
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And a couple of days later, I was alone in
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my office and he had handed it in and it
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was like seven o'clock at night, and I was tired.
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I was beating, you know. It was just the start
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of a new show, and I didn't know if I
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had Paul or not or what was going And I
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got his story, which is two pages, I think it
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was just two single space pages. And I'm reading the
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story and it is exactly exactly the kind of story
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I wanted to do in this series had everything, and
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I called up, I actually called it Fox that night,
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and I said, listen, I'm sending you a story. And
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if you're not happy with this story we're doing, I'm
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not doing the show you want then that you want
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to do, or you're not doing the show that I
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want to do. But you have to know that this
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is this is what I want the show to be.
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This is exactly it. And they loved it. And then
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Paul was writing the script and he was on staff.
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You know, that's great. Paul's interesting guy. He's our relationship
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is really we're really good friends and we write together
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really well. And he would, you know, during that whole
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first sixty five episodes of Batman, he would just come
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up to my door and say, and he said, I
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have this idea and he would say an idea in
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one line and I whatever he wanted to do, I said,
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go with it. And uh, seriously, I believe it. You know.
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He said, I had this idea of Harley and Ivy
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working together, and uh, and Joker gets jealous and and uh,
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you know, I had complete trusting and whatever he wanted
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to do, and that was all he had to say.
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I mean, he's just a remarkable guy.
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He really is amazing.
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Indy. He just thinks deeply on these things.
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Well, it seems like a lot of your writers did
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and continue to now and again, obviously, as you say,
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you just retired. But I'm an acquaintance of James Tucker's
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and I love what he's been doing with the animated movies.
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But even going back to the animated series, so many
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ideas that evolved, not only from an animation standpoint, but
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literally the generation or two of writers that are now
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writing the comics and probably the films and new TV
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products as well, that I think are taking ideas of
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what you guys did. As I told Paul, I know
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for a fact that Devin Grayson was not a Batman
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comic book reader, but she loved Your Guys television show
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and that's why she became such a strong Batman universe
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writer and stuff. And so so yeah, I mean it's
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you know, again, how many comic book people And I
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do remember some like Marty Pasco I know, worked with
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you guys and then made Mask of the Phantasm and
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also was am I right like kind of the liaison
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between the show in DC in terms of you know,
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use of characters and whatever. But like, how many of
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the crew was, you know, really steeped in comic books.
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You know, they're pretty much all were you, Yes, And
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Marty was maybe the first story editor I hired. I'm
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not sure, but I think that's the case. And part
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of the reason was that he wrote. He wrote comics,
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and he was a good writer, and he knew the history,
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and you know, we took from the comics. On the
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first trip I made to New York to have a
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discussion with d C. He came with me, I remember that.
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And there was a there was a meeting that I
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had with Paul Levitz in which we went through every
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he literally got all the books of all the comic
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books that they had put together, and we went all
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these volumes, I should say, and we went through every
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Batman story since I think nineteen fifty six, fifty five,
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and we just we went through all the Batman stories
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and all the Detective stories and just did an overview
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that way. It took us two days, and he was
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he knew them all. I mean, Paul Levitt's was astonishing
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to me. Around nineteen fifty nine, I started to realize, yes,
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I had that comic book. I was I would have
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been nine years old and it was just it was
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just a you know, you pitch yourself, because to go
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through all those stories, to do that, it's just such
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a fanboy wonderful thing, you know. And we took you know,
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we all read comics and some of us wrote comics,
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and we we we're fans, and we took the best
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from those comics.
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Yeah, you did, No, were great, And I know you hired,
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didn't Len Wing right on your show?
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Lenn wrote on the show. Marv Wolfman wrote on the show.
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Yes, Danny, Well, of course you adapted a lot of
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Danny O'Neil stuff.
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Denny wrote the Rachel Gould story.
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You know, yes, and you know, I wanted to talk
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about that one in particular because again this is on
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a kids show. And you guys, well Andrea, I mean,
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I assume Andrea was the one who thought David Warner
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would be a fantastic and I would say rosda ghul
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And I know you guys said on the show raza
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gull and now all of a sudden the movies, it's
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rashaw goual whatever. But regardless, I mean it man, that
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is that you got.
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It the opposite. It's oh tell me it is racial
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Goul in the movies, they call him Roza Ghul or
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something like that, okay, But it's technically it's racial Ghoul,
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and that comes from Dannie O'Neill, whose daughter deciphered the
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name in some way. I mean, she's I don't know,
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she's a linguist or whatnot, but she she knew how
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to pronounce that name and that's when you got it.
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So yes, it is race, okay, And I accept that absolutely. Man,
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue with you and
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Dannie o' neil and Daniel and Neil's daughter. That's cool.
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But the crystallization of that adaptation, the animation and the
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acting is and of course Andrea's direction as well. I mean,
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it is really my favorite adaptation directly from the comics
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because again there's that regal sense of ration, the way
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he talks to the detective and then yeah, man, I
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you know David Warner and Kevin Connry are acting their
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asses off in that thing.
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you know, you get these actors in there, like David Warner,
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who you've seen the movies, and it's just so special.
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Really you guys have been blessed with unbelievable uh you know,
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voice actors up until your retirement, and then I think
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it continues beyond now as well. Yeah, and you know,
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Susan Eisenberg has become a good friend of mine, and
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I mean wonder woman of course, and you know, yeah,
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she's I think she's been greatly appreciative of the opportunity
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she's gotten in the DC Animated Universe over the years.
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Back to the comic So Jason is coming, but also
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I you know, it's going to be interesting to see
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what new ideas you guys want to put forward in
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these six stories in twelve parts. Yes, yes, it's not
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a question.
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Yeah, six issues which are sort of divided in half,
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so they come in these half comic book chapters. I'm
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going to put it that way. I'll tell you that
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we're dealing with death stroke and we're also dealing with
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Asrael in these you know, I'm.
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Glad you mentioned because I didn't talk about Asriel with Paul.
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I read that DC article that you guys did where
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the two of you had Taie talked about this new series.
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Tell us what you can about Azrael, because again that's
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an interesting care man. I love that original Denny story
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about Asrael, and I thought, you know again came at
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a very interesting time. Is this going to be an
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original story with as How are you going to handle this?
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It's it's we're handling that that he and Bruce Wayne
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had history and Bruce Wayne actually studied in the same cult. Uh.
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But so and and the title of the the story
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is called The Darker Night, so they'll give you a
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hintap what it's about. But I think again, it's a
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lot of fun. So, I mean, I don't want to give.
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I followed this if you think that's where I'm leading Alan,
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that is where No, I don't.
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Know, And I will tell you this about death Stroke,
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we sort of gave him a little touch of Errol
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Flynn because we felt that there's something that should be
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attractive about him that you know, the Teen Titans deal
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with him and all that. There's there's something about him
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that a young superhero who could lose her way or
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his way would come under his wing. And so we
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get him a little bit of an Aero Flynn type
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of personality. But underneath that he is really a wicked,
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wicked fellow. So that will be in the second issue.
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I'm glad to see that death Stroke is getting a
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chance again, much like Luther, but more from a well
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and also from a tacticitional standpoint, a good match for Batman,
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but also purely from a skill fighting standpoint as well.
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So that's going to be interesting.
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That's excellent, man, that's great. Tell me about writing. Had
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you ever written comic book sexual comic books? Prior to this?
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I've written twenty comics, Okay, that's all. And so when
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I'm done with these, six or twelve, however you want
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to look at it, I'm looking at six. That'll be
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twenty six. Yeah. I wrote some I wrote a Superman
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Batman thing and some Justice League stuff and some Flash stuff,
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and I just felt like I should do that before
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I retired, so I did. Yeah. I was a big
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comic book fan when I was a kid, and I
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used to This is going to sound bizarre, but I
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used to make up my own comic book stories using
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the panels of comic books. Yeah, and I used to
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write down a list of each story. I had created
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my own character in my head. And this is when
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I was like, I must have been ten or eleven,
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and I actually created in my head. This character I
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called him Centaire, and he was like he looked a
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little bit like Concrete, if you know that character in Comeds.
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He had a suit, this big suit that would repel stuff,
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and so he's able to fly by repelling and he's
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able to shoot. I mean, this is an eleven year
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old kid.
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Apologize, man, this is great.
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And so years and years later, I'm doing this show
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called Batman Beyond, and we needed a character. Were trying
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to come up with new supervillains, and this character, I thought,
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I can do this guy. This guy has a suit
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that repelled stuff. He's practically vulnerable. He isn't vulnerable, and
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so we did. We did a story which had to
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do with a boy in a bubble, that sort of
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situation where the medical people had created this suit that
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a kid who would normally be in a bubble to
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keep germs from attacking him would be in the suit.
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And so that and the super villain was one of
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the But it was odd that, you know, fifty years later,
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I'm using it my eleven character.
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It's excellente Man. By the way, I did the same
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thing at about eleven or twelve, and I have a
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feeling a lot of comic book fans were writing our
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own fan fiction back then as well, so you're not alone.
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Bit it's cool mentioning Batman Beyond. I got that pilot
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episode and especially that beginning of Batman's Last Case. Seriously, Man,
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that's uh. You know others have written over the years,
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and I'm sure you've read them as well, Batman's final cases.
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Whether it was Earth to Batman that they did, I
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think in adventure comics with the Justice Society, and I remember,
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I want to say Batman three hundred where I was
480
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.119
in the future and it was Batman's last case. But
481
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really that's interesting. Was it was it something you felt
482
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you had to do or or was it how much
483
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:52.880
of a challenge was it?
484
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.519
Well, the challenge, you know, the challenges you we were
485
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.200
creating a whole new Batman, and we didn't we didn't
486
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.119
want to make the fans crazy. I mean, we felt,
487
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if we stay true to the legend of Bruce Wayne
488
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and Batman, if we stay true to that and built
489
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upon that with another character, they would like that. And
490
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.759
the way to tell the story is when I was
491
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:20.839
running the outline, I had a little bit of a
492
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block in that I didn't want to show the suit
493
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.839
in the beginning, but I had to show the suit
494
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.799
because it would be Batman's last case, and it worked
495
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.720
out fine. I mean, he actually has a bit of
496
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.160
a heart attack in that first scene. It's hard to
497
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.920
believe we were making this under children's programs, y and
498
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.799
he lives up a gun because he's desperate to save himself,
499
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.599
and then he realizes at that point it is over.
500
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.960
I can't do this. We just wanted to respect the
501
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.519
character of Batman for the fans in creating this new Batman,
502
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.440
because we knew we were taking a chance, but it
503
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.799
was better than just having another guy in another suit. Yeah.
504
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.200
So, and so when you say using the suit, do
505
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.079
you mean that futuristic suit that Terry ultimately wears. Yeah, okay,
506
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.680
And yeah, man, no, you're right. It's that ultimate moment
507
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.960
where Batman is facing death and literally has to use
508
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.720
the one weapon that he kind of always vowed not
509
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.319
to use because that's what killed his parents. And yeah,
510
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.680
he had to cross his own line. So yeah, no,
511
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.240
he I mean, both from the heart ailmen and the
512
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:26.720
fact that he had to use a gun. Yeah, no,
513
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.880
he can't do this anymore. And it's a great contrast
514
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.720
to the Dark Knight Strikes, you know, or forgive me
515
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.480
if I'm probably saying it ron Frank Milly's classic story.
516
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.519
And of course I really love that Fox put it
517
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.480
on as a primetime Sunday night show. I mean I
518
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:47.400
remember vividly watching it and especially those first you know,
519
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.880
that first opening act blowing my mind. It's like, wow,
520
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.200
look at that man, Look what happened to poor Bruce?
521
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:53.839
Holy shit?
522
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.079
You know, I think that was by that time we
523
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:57.680
were on the WB.
524
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.680
Ohay, excuse me. That's awesome that they thought enough of
525
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.640
it to make it a primetime movie and everything.
526
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah, it was very nice. And later on, you know,
527
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.839
the WB wanted us to do a Young Batman show,
528
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:14.519
and this is what we came up with. Our shows
529
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.000
were sort of skewing toward an older audience, like fourteen
530
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.000
year olds, and they really wanted to get that eleven
531
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:27.039
year old demographic, you know, at the top. They wanted
532
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.759
to go not over eleven. So they thought if they
533
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:35.079
if we created a young Batman and that would that
534
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:39.720
would do it. But they just didn't realize who they
535
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.119
were working with, because we ended up creating a show
536
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.279
that was darker than the original Batman.
537
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.920
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, and what a great compliment too that
538
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.839
you know, after the show ended, all of the comic
539
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.079
book rereaders were like, hey man, we want work Terry.
540
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:55.720
What the hell?
541
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.119
This is great? And also the solution and I know
542
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.519
it was not Justice League, And I don't know what
543
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:06.799
involvement you had. Was Terry always Bruce's son by cloning
544
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.559
in DNA or whatever the gene splicing was that made
545
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.599
Terry Bruce's son? Was that always your guys, in the
546
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:14.359
back of your guys.
547
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:20.480
Heads, No, it's never, you know, but it was in
548
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.960
the back of Bruce Tim's head, and he was running
549
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.920
that show and he wanted to tell that story. And
550
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.000
I said to him, I'm not buying this, you know,
551
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:36.119
it's just to me, Batman is the most democratic of
552
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.119
superheroes because anybody can become Batman. They don't have to
553
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.880
have the DNA, they don't have to have the lineage.
554
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.319
They all they have to have is this crazy will
555
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.839
power to turn yourself into a superhero. Even though that
556
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:55.559
story exists, and somehow, and I really I really don't
557
00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:01.799
know the story, but somehow Bruce got Terry to have
558
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.400
the DNA of I'm talking about Bruce tim got to
559
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.759
have the DNA of Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis. I
560
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.000
just don't buy it. I just fell against that notion.
561
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.519
So he knows that I talked about it. We're friendly
562
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.759
about it. It's fine. You want to do that. Fine,
563
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.240
I'm in my head. He's not so.
564
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.359
And that's the only place where continuity met has when
565
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.559
in our own heads. So I love that answer, and
566
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.640
I think that's fantastic. But again, Dan Jergens is doing
567
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.799
a great job with the character. Terry's further adventures now,
568
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.920
I think it's great and truly, man, I think that's
569
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.160
a real testament to all you guys for that happening
570
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.039
the way that it did. So I'm glad that the
571
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.880
show resonated so much. And also, man, I love Darwin
572
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.720
Cook's title sequence. Got exciting and so beautiful and everything.
573
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:57.240
It's not CGI. Everything is sort of I mean there's
574
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.759
a scene where characters are sort of going around and
575
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.440
I think they did that on a tabletop on a
576
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.759
you know, a record player.
577
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:05.480
Wow.
578
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.680
Yeah, it's not really CGI at all. I don't think
579
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:10.720
there's any elements got him?
580
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.039
I right? Did you for the Superman Show? Didn't you
581
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.359
write the Legacy. The final two parter, Superman is brainwashed
582
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.039
by dark Side, I think, and he's dark sided son.
583
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.839
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I did
584
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.599
on that one. I'm not sure, but yeah, we were
585
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.279
supposed to have another season and they decided to stop,
586
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.400
and so we ended on this strange dark storyline. But
587
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.279
the idea was that if we had another season, we
588
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.000
were going to do a sort of a darker Superman
589
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.839
situation where people were a little bit afraid of him
590
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.680
because you know, Superman's he's the toughest character, because he
591
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.119
is so powerful. Yeah, he is such a boy scout.
592
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.920
And I was not unhappy that that show ended in
593
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.119
the end because the stories, the stories that were hard
594
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.480
to do, and sometimes you felt like you were writing
595
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.559
a character who was like a ragdal being thrown around,
596
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:14.719
and that was his the ragdal who cannot be hurt.
597
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:18.119
And he's just a tough He's a tough guy. I
598
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:22.000
was talking with I Forget, the comic book writer. He
599
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.079
had written a lot of Superman, and he said, you
600
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.119
know those stories when we were a kid, they were
601
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:35.320
never about him being powerful. They were all about him
602
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.400
having to make a decision and being caught on the
603
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.119
horns of the dilemma, do I save this person or
604
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.239
do I save that person? Do I keep my secret
605
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.960
as Clark Kent, or do I sacrifice it to do
606
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:54.119
this other thing? And I thought, that's that's true. I mean,
607
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.280
that's what made those stories. They weren't about him always
608
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:02.199
smashing through buildings, you know, they were those stories had
609
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:07.320
a moral compass to them. So I don't know, I'm
610
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:11.079
just talking through my hat right now, but that's he's tough.
611
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.679
He's a tough superhero because he's so so strong.
612
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.440
That initial meeting of Batman and Superman, again, the way
613
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.159
you guys handled it very different from the of course
614
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.719
the original comic book meeting. And just loved the dual
615
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.079
moment that each of them discover each other's identities and
616
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.559
do it in there in their own ways that only
617
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.519
they could, and just that great little wave between the
618
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.960
two two wards. Yeah, I know who you are too,
619
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.920
don't sweat it. So that's again, man, it's this characterization
620
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.079
that you guys nailed that made the show really entertaining
621
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.320
for us older fans as well. And I know the
622
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.119
kids loved it because now they're adults and again they're
623
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.719
building out what you guys built, you know, started back then.
624
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.199
But yeah, man, it was just great stuff.
625
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.239
That may be my favorite thing that I've written on
626
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:04.599
that particular three parter of the Joker and Luther working
627
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.559
together and Batman and the Superman meeting for the first time,
628
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.920
because really they don't like each other, they don't even
629
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:13.599
like each other in.
630
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.599
The end, but they respect each other.
631
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:18.840
They respect each other.
632
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.599
That's great well, and also Lois's little flirtation with Bruce
633
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.719
and everything, and Bruce of course charming and the pants
634
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.239
off of her not quite literally, but you know, yeah.
635
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.639
I you know, I was. I read a review of
636
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.719
that movie, and I don't read reviews of anything I
637
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.320
do if I can help it. But the critics said it,
638
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.000
how do you describe it? He described it as a
639
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.000
you know, there's usually it's not a minosata. It was
640
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.440
a cathrotoa. It was it was it was Bruce and
641
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:57.519
Batman and Clark and Superman all vying for Lois's attention
642
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.480
because they really are each of those Here are two
643
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.840
people on one and I thought, my gosh, I never
644
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.480
thought about that. But you know, sometimes you learn something
645
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.800
from critics. So that was one case where that happened.
646
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.280
Tell me about making Mask of the Phantasm and it
647
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.920
going out in theaters, because again, that was so that's
648
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.320
a I felt it was such a confliment to you
649
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.880
guys to propose that kind of production. And I saw
650
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.960
it in the theater and it was great, man, including
651
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.880
even just the little things like the singer Sayta Garrett
652
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.159
who sings the closing credits, and it's like, holy shit,
653
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.719
this is like a movie and it's not like a
654
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.960
Disney cartoon movie. This feels like a live action movie.
655
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.880
Yeah, and you know what, A lot of responsibility for
656
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.039
that goes to Shirley Walker, who scored it. And really,
657
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.719
I mean it's just there's the soundtrack is just tremendous.
658
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:01.239
That started off as a video and one of the producers,
659
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.239
Eric Radomski, did this opening credit sequence in CG, which
660
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.400
at the time was kind of new, and it was
661
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.480
going through you know, it was a sort of helicopter
662
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.719
shot going through Gotham, and it was very striking. I mean,
663
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.920
there's no other CG in the whole movie. This is
664
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.559
the only part. And one of the executives, I don't
665
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.360
know who it was, from the lot came in to
666
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.719
look at what we were doing, and he saw this
667
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.119
opening and he said, why don't we make this a
668
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.079
movie that you show in the theaters. And so it
669
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.800
became a movie. But we weren't given any extra money,
670
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.320
we weren't given any extra time. And there was a
671
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:48.239
while there where we were getting footage back that we
672
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:49.920
were wondering if it was going to play or not.
673
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.480
And then at the very end we got the scenes
674
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from the third act, which is of course the most
675
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.000
important act, and it looked really good that those scenes
676
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.840
look pretty darn good, and so we said, oh, you
677
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.280
do have a movie here, and anyway, so so, but
678
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.400
that's how it ended up in the theaters. It was
679
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.880
a matter of executive seeing some CG that the only
680
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.400
CG that was in the show, and figuring, we'll make
681
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:17.119
a movie out of this.
682
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:19.840
Well yeah, I mean, god man, it looked great on
683
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:21.239
the screen. Did you guys have to worry?
684
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:21.519
Aboy?
685
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.159
Here's a boring technical question, but you know, the wide
686
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:27.519
screen versus the you know, aspect ratio of what was
687
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.360
standard television back then, were there any concerns about that
688
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.199
making it a wide screen you know, product?
689
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:40.000
They did that in the boards. Okay, they accounted that
690
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.960
for the boards. I'll tell you the strange thing that
691
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.360
took a lot of time was we were moving frame
692
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:52.480
by frame on the dialogue because sometimes the dialogue didn't
693
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.239
seem on the big screen, didn't seem like it was
694
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.639
matching with the mouth flips. Oh, and that was I
695
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.679
remember that being just an enormous problem. And I think
696
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.000
that would happen on anything that gets blown up from
697
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.719
a DVD to a big screen. But we took a
698
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.960
lot of time and care just moving dialogue like half
699
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.360
frame or frame just to just to make sure that
700
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:24.599
the mouthflips were right. I remember that was bothering me
701
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:25.760
a lot as we were going through.
702
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.960
Probably did it, No, it turned out amazing. Man, back
703
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.239
to the direct to video movies of the last you know,
704
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.599
Jesus fifteen years and really again this evolution, the shift
705
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.400
from Bruce tim being the supervising guy, and you know,
706
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.400
if I'm wrong, please correct me. But moving to James
707
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.840
and what James has now done with the movies moving
708
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.719
forward and stuff. You know, what's that been like? What
709
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.400
was your participation in that? As far as you know
710
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.239
these things, because again, I really think each year there's
711
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.039
a new level of sophistication. It seems like again like
712
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.679
you said with the killing joke, that they're okay with
713
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.360
it getting a little rougher and stuff like that. But yeah,
714
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.440
just tell me about the different experiences. And I know
715
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.559
that James started working with you guys during Bruce's era,
716
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.559
but yeah, any differences or what do you perceive of
717
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:16.159
that evolution?
718
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.360
Well, you know, I don't know why Bruce stopped doing him.
719
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:25.480
I think he was doing the Green Lantern Show. I'm
720
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:27.920
just not sure on the timetable there, but I think
721
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.800
he wanted a break from doing the DVDs, and which
722
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.599
is why James was brought on and I was brought on.
723
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.400
I mean they had done a couple already and then
724
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.719
I was brought on because there was they were doing
725
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.400
so many that there was a need for a guy
726
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:47.079
to oversee the scripts and which was my basic job
727
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.199
and dealing with writers and coming up with stories and
728
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:54.519
stuff like that. So that's the basic evolution. I stayed
729
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.159
on them. I was very lucky I stayed on. I
730
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.159
think I did about thirty of them, and it was
731
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.960
great because because I didn't have to deal with a network,
732
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.480
I didn't have to deal with Yeah, really it was
733
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.840
the people were all creative people and DC people and
734
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:17.280
and the video people gave us a lot of room,
735
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.519
and every one was different. We kept doing different things,
736
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.599
so creatively, it couldn't have been better for me and
737
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.760
my last decade there couldn't have been better.
738
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.599
A couple of non DC universe things that you were
739
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.639
involved with that that I really love, The Scoopy Doo
740
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.360
movie Mask or The Revenge of the Blue Falcon. I'm
741
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:43.400
saying I'm probably saying the wrong. Yes, it is Mask
742
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.760
of the Blue Falcon. Yeah, man, And it's for people
743
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.480
who don't know. You gotta get this movie because it's
744
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:52.559
the Scoopy Gang. They're at a comic con. It's Hanna Barberas,
745
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.840
so instead it's all Hanna Barbera heroes as far as
746
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.719
the booths and attractions go. And it's a fantastic story.
747
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.079
I love this story.
748
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:02.920
Who wrote that?
749
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.360
And that's Oh, I'm gonna click on the link here
750
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.280
and I'll give you that answer in a second. But
751
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.440
it's hilarious and all that one second, and let's get
752
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.159
to the writer. So Michael Ryan wrote it and Marley
753
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.960
Halpin Grazer wrote the story.
754
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:23.400
Yeah, it's very funny, that guy, Marley. Yeah, it was,
755
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.079
and I think it was the brainchild of mister Tucker.
756
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:33.440
I think he really wanted to do that. I didn't
757
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.559
even know who the Blue Falcon was when we started.
758
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.519
Oh that's hilarious, man, Okay, yeah, you know Dina Mountain
759
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.039
Blue Falcon. Sure, great hand of Barbara cartoon. The other
760
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.360
one that I loved was Tom and Jerry Spy Quest
761
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.840
putting the Johnny westcast in a Tom and Jerry and
762
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.679
it's great because it starts as a classic Henna Barbera,
763
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.119
you know, Tom and Jerry thing that could have easily
764
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.039
played in nineteen forty nine in the theaters. I mean
765
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.880
it's so it's all until they meet the Quest people
766
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:03.880
and it's classic Tom and Jerry.
767
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.280
That was not easy, that thing, but we we Yeah,
768
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.000
it was a good We had a good time on
769
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.599
that in the end. My gosh.
770
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.280
Yeah, hey man, honestly, these are these are great productions,
771
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.840
and I'm glad you were a part of them. Heath
772
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.719
Courtston is a Chicago guy and we've become friends over
773
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.880
the years, and I'm really glad that he must have,
774
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.360
you know, impressed you in some way that you've let
775
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.199
him into the fold. And he wrote so many of
776
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.000
the later animated movies and stuff. Tell me tell me
777
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.719
about like tell me that some of the guys that
778
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.320
you might have, like you know, discovered in this portion
779
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.679
of the time post animated television shows that the newer
780
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:40.920
writers that you guys have been able to get involved
781
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:41.480
with these things.
782
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:46.000
Well, Heath was great, and he he loves the stuff.
783
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.440
And what I look for in a writer is uh
784
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.760
I usually read when I read their scripts, I read
785
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.719
their dialogue and his he wrote some hysterical stuff for
786
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.440
a show that was being done at Disney and and
787
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.159
so that's how I got him. We had of the
788
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.159
recent writers, you know, Greg Burlianty wrote for us.
789
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.840
Really, yes, I'll give you a name right now if
790
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.679
you don't mind throwing it in if you have any thoughts.
791
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.760
And that's Justice League versus the Fatal Five. Eric Carrasco.
792
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.199
Eric is a Supergirl writer. I don't know quite how
793
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:25.519
he made contact with us. It was probably through Jim Kreeg.
794
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.199
I guess I was a story editors on Justice League Action.
795
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:37.039
Eric had some terrific ideas for doing a Legion Superhero DVD.
796
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.280
He's a great action writer. He had written a pilot
797
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:41.880
for Zoro that I was reading.
798
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:42.760
Wow.
799
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.000
Yeah, I don't know if that you know, he appreciates
800
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.920
me saying that, but that was one of his scripts.
801
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.000
His takes were different on everybody from what I've ever
802
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.159
thought about. On these Legion characters. We did a co
803
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.360
writing with that, Jim Craig and I also I rode
804
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:03.519
on and part of the reason was because he was
805
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:08.599
busy with other stuff and he had wonderful, very modern
806
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.639
takes on characters. There was nothing old in his view
807
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.800
of characters. I'm hard put to tell you exactly what
808
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.639
I'm talking about, but he would go for girl characters
809
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:26.760
and make them strong, and there was no sexism. Everybody
810
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.679
felt fresh in his writing. And he's just one of
811
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:35.559
the more exciting action writers out there. And I'm not
812
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.400
sure how much animation is going to eat up his time,
813
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.079
because I think he's going to be and probably is
814
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.239
very much in demand as a live action writer. But
815
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.880
he was one of the early young writers that we
816
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.480
dealt with, and he was one of these writers who
817
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:51.639
grew up on our stuff. So anyways, that's Eric.
818
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.840
Okay, I got one more name, if you got a second,
819
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.119
and then see if you've got any thoughts on Jonathan
820
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.119
Callen oh yeah.
821
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:02.039
Jonathan Callen also is one of these writers who brings
822
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.280
a freshness to the characters. He wrote for us on
823
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.400
Justice League Action. There's little idiosyncratic things that he brings
824
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.679
to characters that you wouldn't think about. He one time
825
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:18.960
said to me he thought that Bruce Wayne was a
826
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.760
little autistic, and it made sense, you know, And I'm thinking,
827
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.639
because he's so directed, he's a guy who sometimes has
828
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.239
blinders on, and I thought that is an interesting take.
829
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.079
So you meet these young writers who really think deeply
830
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.719
about these characters and have ideas about them that I
831
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.159
never thought about before, And when you think about him,
832
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.639
you're kind of amazed. We dealt with writers who were
833
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.239
working on the primetime shows. They wanted to do an
834
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.800
animated show, and they wanted to do the animated show
835
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.159
because they grew up on Batman, the animated series.
836
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:57.800
It's good to hear, though, that these are people that
837
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.800
you were getting from live action that really wanted to
838
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:03.159
do cartoons. That isn't that interesting now that there is
839
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:07.320
this back and forth that is possible between live action
840
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.119
and animation. And I'm a huge fan. I was just
841
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.239
telling Paul the new Harley Quinn series is fantastic, And
842
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.840
I think Rick and Morty funny in the best ways
843
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:21.639
that it can be. But DC Universe continuity crazy in
844
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.440
the best way. And as a longtime DC fan, I
845
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.000
love the Easter eggs in every episode and then and
846
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:29.000
I you know, I don't know if you've had a
847
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.079
chance to watch that.
848
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:31.880
No, I haven't watched it.
849
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.239
Tell you always. Well that's all right, man. Well again,
850
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.280
you know, it's like somebody that's worked in a hardware
851
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.719
store all their life and you're gonna go home and
852
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.480
dive into a pile of nails. I don't think so,
853
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.440
you know, so I I appreciate that.
854
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:48.039
But I mean I've had I've worked with some tremendous writers.
855
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.320
I mean, one of my favorites was Joe Lansdale.
856
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.079
Well, that's fantastic. I had no idea he was doing
857
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.119
stuff with you guys in animation. I love Joe stuff
858
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.920
comics and novels and the like. He's amazing. Go on, please, Yeah.
859
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.719
He did the first Ventoko story for the Batman and
860
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:03.559
animated series.
861
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.360
Of course. That's excellent.
862
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.639
Man, oh man, that's wonderful. Geez. He did a show
863
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.000
which was called Perchance to Dream, which was one of
864
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.199
my favorite stories, maybe my favorite story of the whole series.
865
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.039
So you're doing these these six stories now with Paul
866
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:22.639
and I know, and I know you're you know, was
867
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.199
were there all? Right? Now, here's some stock a couple
868
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.239
of stock questions. Were there any characters you wanted to
869
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.079
use on the on the shows or even in the
870
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.719
movies that you didn't have a chance to use beyond Destroke?
871
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.199
Who were you're now using in the digital Last comic?
872
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:39.199
Are you talking about the old stuff?
873
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.320
Well, just even you know, like through the whole body
874
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.159
of work, have there been DC Universe characters you never
875
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.880
got to that you may not get to in these
876
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.400
six stories? And and yeah, just in general, in terms
877
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.519
of all the years that you worked in animation, was
878
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.960
there any any characters you're like, They're like, either no,
879
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.800
they weren't available, maybe they were in development for a
880
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.440
different project or something like that.
881
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.760
I I think Bruce tim would say, Nocturna. She's a
882
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.400
vampire character from the comics, and we couldn't deal with
883
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:11.239
blood in that particular show. Hilarious in that serious we
884
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:15.239
did about everyone. You know, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't
885
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.679
mind trying Court of Owls seeing what we would do
886
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.400
with that interesting. Sure, you know talent and interesting character
887
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:22.760
from that.
888
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:23.119
Sure.
889
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.199
And I don't think we did Huntress to do Huntress
890
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:29.119
not in the series.
891
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.960
Yeah, I was gonna say, I didn't think, so you
892
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:32.639
keep going.
893
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.800
On Justice League. No, it is Justice League show. He
894
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.199
did everybody, So okay, go ahead.
895
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.400
I was going to ask about the Justice League Action
896
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.920
shorts because that show was great. And as I was
897
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:44.880
telling Paul, I've had a couple of conversations with Paul
898
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.559
about that show. You guys packed in so much story
899
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.760
in nine minutes. That's that's amazing, honestly, and I and
900
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.639
I that's a hell of a challenge because it's tough
901
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.639
enough to write, you know, twenty minutes of animation, let
902
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.280
alone try and compress it all into into nine minutes.
903
00:50:59.320 --> 00:50:59.960
Tell me about that.
904
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.719
It's really The show had a lot of character to it,
905
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.199
and we had there was a guy named Tim Sherid
906
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.960
and my brother, and there was a writer who who
907
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.559
worked really well for us. And it was a comedy show.
908
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.639
In the end evolved into a comedy show and pretty quickly,
909
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.440
pretty quickly realized that that's what it would be. It
910
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.920
was essentially the super Friends that I would have liked
911
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.599
to have done back in nineteen eighty. Yeah, that was
912
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.840
my last sura and I enjoyed that show quite a bit.
913
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.239
As far as serious TV. That was my last hurrah. Yeah,
914
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.159
and it just had a good feel to it. And
915
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.360
Batman was a real character, a real ballbuster.
916
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.360
And oh my gosh, can't Space Cavvy Perhaps because I
917
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.079
got to tell including Space Cavvy was so fat. I
918
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.480
was such a fan of those Silver Age stories and
919
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.480
it was such fun seeing him with the Justice League.
920
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:53.480
I thought that was excellent.
921
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.840
Yeah, I remember we were We did weird, wacky stuff.
922
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.960
We had a train in space. It was great. We
923
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.519
had Jonah has It was just wonderful. But it didn't
924
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.559
I don't think that the network had an interest in it,
925
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.119
tell you the truth. I think it was something that
926
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.519
the corporation, I don't know, was foisting on them. I
927
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:18.039
don't know. But it never just had the backing that
928
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.639
I thought it should have had one.
929
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.599
Hundred percent man because again, and I was shocked talking
930
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.320
to Paul to learn. I mean, it was on at
931
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:28.559
six in the morning Chicago time, and apparently there is
932
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.039
no West Coast feed for Cartoon Network. So if you
933
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.840
were on the West Coast. You were getting it four
934
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.000
in the morning, so clearly they were burying the show.
935
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.119
And I really hope and Paul even said this as well,
936
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.440
here's hoping that either DC Universe Streaming or HBO Max
937
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:48.159
finds a place for that show, because it absolutely did
938
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.199
not give the respect it deserved. And you know something,
939
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.400
networks change hands. I've got my hands up in the air.
940
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.320
You know it better than I do. And I mean,
941
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.639
this happens all the time in movies where a movie
942
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.880
is made under a certain regime, a new regime come
943
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.199
in and it's either sitting on the shelf never to
944
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.599
be released, or it comes out for two weeks and
945
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.480
then thank God for video and then the aftermarket, or
946
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.360
you'd never see it again. And I really those Justice
947
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.039
League Action things. It made a DC fan very tough,
948
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.079
hard for them to see this stuff. And thank God
949
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.280
for DVRs because yeah, man, I mean I was watching
950
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.960
you later in the day and completely delighted with every
951
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.199
nine minutes. So it was you guys deserved a better
952
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:25.039
form for that show.
953
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:29.239
I know, we really did. It's a worthy show and
954
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:30.559
it's a good kid show too.
955
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.480
It is a good kid show. It's a great kid show. Yeah,
956
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.760
great visuals and a lot of great ideas. Very accessible
957
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.480
and isn't that interesting now too? Are you aware of
958
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:42.599
the current you know, comic situation in terms of, you know,
959
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what's happening on the publishing side with Diamond obviously having
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to shut down and everything, and what you likely are
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because I know that the digital comic was supposed to
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probably be a paper product as much as a digital product.
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Yeah, it was supposed to be, so I guess we're
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going to have to wait for the paper to come out.
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But fortunately it's a digital project first. Yes, so it
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has a life, which I'm very happy about.
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So, hey, man, I hope I hope this is you know,
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depending on your own you know, it seems like you're
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excited about this, and I'm glad you guys are doing
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the sixth stories. I hope that it's a success and
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we get another season of digital comics of this great presentation,
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because it's it's great to see the three of you
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guys back doing this stuff. Had you ever done the
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uh cartoon or you know, the comics that were based
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on the cartoon? You mentioned the twenty or so comics
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that you did. Did you ever work on the series.
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No, but I read some of them and I liked
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them a lot. Tye worked on them, so oh yeah,
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so he wrote the stories and uh and they were
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good stories. I don't know why we hadn't didn't work
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with him because I guess it was coming too late.
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I don't know what.
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But as an animation designer, Ty no as writer, Oh oh, sure,
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that's interesting.
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Of course we were talking about it and then it
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sort of fizzled out, maybe because they stopped Batman beyond early,
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I guess, but I remember liking his writing.
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So oh absolutely, man, is Ty helping you guys plot
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it all beyond you know, drawing character designs in that?
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Not really, not yet. I mean it was all pretty much.
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They had the characters that they wanted, and Paul and
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I went through one day and just did a round
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up of the stories. We beated them out and we
994
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sent them to DC and it was very quick. I mean,
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DC liked the stories that we sent them, and we've
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been writing scripts off those stories ever since.
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That's excellent, man. I'm really excited to see the designs
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that Ty has for Asrael and death Stroke and stuff
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and then fitting it into your guys, universe, and as
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I mentioned to Paul, on the comic book side of
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the adaptations of the cartoon series Man, I've had a
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chance to talk to people like Dan Slott, who wrote
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a lot of the comics of the Batman Adventures, and
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also Mark Miller doing that Superman stuff as well. And
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you know, again, I think it's a testament to what
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you guys did on the animation side, because those comics,
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including the comics that you and Paul and Ty are
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doing right now. Yeah, it's an all ages product, but
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at their heart, they're just purely good Batman stories and
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that's exactly what we want, and you guys are delivering.
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Yeah, we're not reinventing the wheel responts. All good stories,
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you know, that's all. And it's been fun.
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You'll forgive me. But I just saw something on IMDb
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and this is my I swear last thing, But if
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you have any thoughts on this, I noticed that there
1016
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was an article this week that said that there was
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a live action Batman Beyond considered in the early two thousands,
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and they were considering Clint Eastwood as old Bruce Wayne.
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Any any information on that that you're aware.
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Of, Yes, there was a script that was written for
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Batman Beyond live action feature script and it was written
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with Boaz Jaiken wrote it with me and Paul Wow,
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and he was the driving force in it. He had
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a new vision on Batman Beyond It. He wanted to
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create a an R rated movie, or let's put it
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this way. He wanted to create a tough movie that
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if it was R rated, so be it. And so
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we wrote a script together. He was the primary writer
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on it, and he brought us an in on it actually,
1030
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and he's a great fellow. And the script was written
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and it was just to adult to R rated for
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the the for Warner Brothers, and he didn't want to
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change it, and so that was that.
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Wow.
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But there is a script and it is pretty dark
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and it was interesting working with him.
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Well, here's here's hoping that somebody, as they move forward
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with whatever new possible live action projects, maybe do'st off
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your guys script because I think that would be fantastic.
1040
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And there's certainly I mean I could see a lot
1041
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of different actors potentially play older Bruce Wayne and be
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in that mentor role. That's what that's what made them
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and Beyond so amazing.
1044
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:30.199
Yeah, Clint Eastwood was talked about, and uh and the Bruce,
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the Bruce Wayne and the script does some very active stuff,
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So it would have been interesting to see. Wow, man,
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I was.
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Going to say, it, wouldn't it be great to, you know,
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go to that universe where that movie was made and
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see what you what they would have come up with.
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00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.079
It was quite different. I mean, Bo has had some
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00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:54.119
interesting notions. The school was sort of a private school.
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There were uniforms. It was the near future like ours,
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00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.000
but it had a different slant to it. But it's
1055
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never gonna happen, at least with that script. So what
1056
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are you gonna do? You?
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What are you gonna do?
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Well?
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I'm hoping that this kind of assignment is something that
1060
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you can fit in but still kind of enjoy a
1061
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.360
more leisurely paced to your life. And it sounds like
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you're handling the shut in okay. I mean I hope
1063
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you are, and I hope you know everything's okay on
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your end and everything.
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It is amazing how I can waste a day and
1066
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it just feels great. Yeah, but I do miss I'm
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not seeing my grandchildren, and I do wait for that
1068
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moment when we can come together again, but I see
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them on Skype and all that. But yeah, it's been
1070
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it's been good to be writing for d C at
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this time.
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I'm glad you've got time to do it. And as
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as a member of the viewing audience of your body
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01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.559
of work, it's great to see you back, you know,
1075
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.199
back in the saddle and doing this stuff. This is
1076
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.440
this is terrific. Thank you, truly, thank you for the
1077
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.639
decades of entertainment you've provided. And uh, you know, I hope,
1078
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.559
I hope we can do another conversation in the future
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01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:18.760
because I've been hoping to talk to you for a
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really long time and having at least it's kind of
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01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.559
in depth chalk and you've you've really given me great
1082
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.480
insight of a lot of your productions, and of course,
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01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.239
you know, we're just scratching the surface. There's a hell
1084
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.039
of a lot more to talk about with Alan Burdette.
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01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.519
So thank you very much for your time and well,
1086
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:36.239
thank you absolutely continued success and really looking forward to
1087
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.920
the rest of this wonderful digital series.
1088
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.559
Well, thank you very much. I hope, I hope the
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audience enjoys them