SQL vs NoSQL, Web Technologies, and Holiday Recap

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome to WhiskeyWeb and whatnot. Your favorite podcast about
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WhiskeyWeb and whatnot with your host, Robert William Wagner, and Charles William Carpenter
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the third. Today, we are going to be talking about... I'm not sure what. Some things.
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We have some notes, but it's just us. Sorry if you were looking for a guest. It's just going
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to be us this time. Yeah. And we're a little bit weird on the publishing here. So I guess there's
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two more coming out before this, but like so far as of today when we're recording, nothing
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but Advent of Whiskey has been out. So there will be a couple more guests. Then you'll hear
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this. So hopefully you get a little bit of stuff that's more interesting than just us.
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Although if you listen to the Advent of Whiskey, I hope you learned that those things aren't
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a good idea, at least if you're trying to cram them into like five days or so. Yes, it's
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a lot of Whiskey's to try in a short period of time. And I don't know if that influenced
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our opinions on what was good or not. Or I know at the end of it, I needed a little bit
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of a break. Believe it or not, as often as I drink, I still need it a little break. Yeah.
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It's one of those things where it's like, it sounds really fun, but it's everything
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in moderation because being forced to drink 24 whiskeys is not as fun as choosing to drink
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24 whiskeys. So there you go. Alrighty. So speaking of whiskey today, we are going to
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try the Yellowstone select Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. So this is distilled and bottled
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by the Alimestone branch distillery, which is the herring distillery for the Yellowstone
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brand now. It was an old brand actually that used to, it was big at the turn of the
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century up until I want to say maybe the 50s or 60s, I'm not sure. Like when Whiskey started
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to kind of go downhill, I know it's one that went away. This one is 93 proof. It is a blend
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of four and seven year old bourbons. Their mash bill is 75% corn. So pretty high corn,
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but then 13% rye and 12% melted barley. Alright, we go. I gotta go through by. There we
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go. That's why we got nice mics. Yeah. Alrighty. Alright, what do we got? Alrighty. So on
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the nose, it smells apole to me. Yeah, like a sour apple though. I get a little of that.
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It's like a granny's uncooked granny smith apple pie. Oh, definitely a little sweet initially.
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But with a little spice along the way, it's almost like, okay, I'm going to go back down
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the apple pie thing because you're getting a little bit of cinnamon along with the sweetness.
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Not bad. What else going on there? Leathery on the finish. I feel like something not just
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tart, but something kind of sweet. Yeah. I won't say maple. I think I get like the teeny,
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tiniest amount of like tobacco or something like it kind of tastes like a, like a manly candle.
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It smells like grandpa cigar, like bergamot or. Oh, yeah. Grandpa cigar during Christmas. Yeah.
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Caramel apple, caramel apple, little cinnamon. Yeah, that's what I'm getting a lot in the flavors.
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Not bad. Not bad. Yeah. Okay. Well, how do you feel about it on the complex scientific
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ship shape rating system? I don't know. Maybe it's just because we had so many shitty ones when
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we were doing this 24, but like, this is really good to me, especially for the price point.
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Like, it's a, I want to say it was like 30 or something, like pretty cheap. And for that,
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I would give it a seven, I think. Like, yeah. For that price point, I think this is about the best
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you could get. Wow. There you go. So you take this over a buffalo trace. I'm actually not sure
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that I've had the plain buffalo trace. We'll have to do that one. Yeah. We should do it. That said,
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that's like kind of a regular. I think this is more complex than that. Mm-hmm. Perhaps it's the
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mix of the fours and the sevens where they're able to like make it less expensive, but get enough,
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like, because seven to nine year is usually like my jam. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm going to go with you.
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I'm going to agree. It's a seven. I was kind of thinking six right at first because I'm like
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definitely better than average, pretty good. You've brought about one of my criteria, the price point.
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So that brings it down or brings it up actually to seven darn good. Yeah. So our tech topic for today,
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which I don't know how much detail you know about these. I haven't done a lot with data
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myself or the recently. I did like, I guess I should say what it is before I just ran
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along. Yes. It is sequel versus no sequel, but I had a sequel class in college. It was very,
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very hard. I remember we spent 24 hours a week in one room like trying to do our final project
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where we had, I don't even know how many tables, maybe like 20 tables with like trying to
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join everything and do complex queries and like do a ton of stuff and it's hard, man. Like,
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especially I think the things we were doing, it got so complex because we were students who had
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no idea what we were doing that the queries would take like 10 minutes or more. So it's like,
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you get to the end and you're like, that's wrong. And then you have to rewrite it and like, so it
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was a very, very tedious process. Right. And first of all, do you know what SQL stands for?
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I think it is structured query language. At least that's how I know it too. So I didn't look it up
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to actually test you on this, but yeah, I've never looked it up. Yeah. I don't know if I'd
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better know where I learned that, but yeah, it's pretty straightforward anyway. Yeah, I like the
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reasons for one versus another. And I think it just tends to be, I don't, it's not often I've been
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in a circumstance where I would make an architectural decision on which to use for the database.
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Right. It's just been more of, well, these are the databases we have. And so here are your options
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for accessing that. Right. And figure that that part out. So yeah, to me, it's always been more
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related to the stack itself oftentimes or like the underlying technologies around it like my SQL,
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oh, okay, we in a dot net, we're using dot net. And so you're using a lot of Microsoft
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centered products. And so that kind of comes along for the ride there. Oh, we're doing a lot
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of open source that tends to be, you know, like Postgres or some flavor similar to I opted to
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hate myself once when I made the swatch API because I was utilizing serverless things and serverless
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and dynamo DB are like it's an easy kind of choice to go together. But then like learning that they
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suggest that you don't separate tables for relations, you in fact, instead just build single table
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databases and just kind of continue to expand on those with the keys in terms of access.
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Right. So the document database versus the other more traditional structures. Yeah.
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Accessibility within a cloud environment was like one of the reasons there too, because it kind
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of can infinitely scale. And as long as your access patterns are planned out, it kind of doesn't
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matter, right? You're not going to show me go through a million records and then filter.
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Yeah. I think a way I'd never really thought about it is my brother-in-law is doing like a
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sequel course right now. And he was talking about it and asking about, you know, what stuff I'd
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use and whatnot. And he was kind of like, well, he prefers no sequel because it's like he would
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rather have his data be unstructured and then like do the programming bit in like something that
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you really program in like Python or a scripting language versus if you're using sequel, you're kind
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of doing the coding in your queries because it's very structured and very like, oh, I've got these
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20 tables. I want to grab these fields from these. I want to rename them. I want to like only do
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where this criteria is this or whatever as all part of your query versus you could say and if you
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had no sequel, you could be like, give me, you know, all this data. And then I'm going to start
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filtering through and manipulating it with like Python or whatever. So it's kind of where do you
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want to do the work? I think is a big differentiating factor that I had never really considered when I was
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thinking about them. Right. But then, you know, from a performance perspective, like, what's the better
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choice, I guess? As with everything, it depends, right? That was. Yeah, it depends. Yeah. So I looked it
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up because they'd actually differed a little bit from what I was thinking and it always kind of
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been traditionally taught that basically if you got all of your sequel schema really nice and tight
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and like you didn't mess up that and make it messy, that was going to be more performant in most
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cases because like, you know, it's more like a hash map almost, you're like, give me these things
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and it's like, here you go. Sure, sure. And I think that that probably amounts to kind of like I
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was mentioning with a document database where like, there's a lot more planning in terms of data
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access and the kinds of data responses you need. And then you can have the right schema to support that
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and come up with the queries that provide the data, the applications need and all that kind of
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stuff, but like, it doesn't feel very flexible in the long term, right? Like, right. Yeah. And that's
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basically the same thing I had in DynamoDB is if you find a use case you hadn't planned for
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or you're adding new features that require different access patterns or different data sets,
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then what, right? Yeah. That is definitely one of the big benefits to no sequel is that it's very
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easy to add fields because I know I would hit that using traditional sequel of like, oh, you know,
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I defined my schema. It's these 15 things, whatever. And then a couple weeks later, I'm like,
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but there's a 16 thing. And then you add it and then like everything you would put in for those
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two weeks isn't going to have data for that because that field didn't exist before. Unless you go
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through and manually add them all in, which you could do. But yeah, I remember ending up with lots
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of empty data because I didn't do that step. So it would be like, oh, I added this new field and
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everything that existed before just won't have it. Right. Yeah. You need to provide a default value
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in your migration or whatever. Yeah. Right. But like then you depending on that happens for years
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and years and you end up with like 200 fields in this table and then you do a query for a thing and
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then like you get some weird data because half of them weren't defined when you started or whatever.
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So that is definitely, I think that is one of the biggest selling points of no SQL. But I also
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found out that it's actually gives you easier scaling than SQL does, which I thought was wrong.
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But it's like, oh, it's like having no structure makes it harder to scale, which I guess is maybe
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a different problem than exactly what I'm saying here. But let me just read what it says. It's like
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no SQL is horizontally scalable. So that means you add more servers to be able to do things quicker
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and handle more people on your site or whatever. Whereas SQL you have just like the one server and
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it's vertically scalable. So you add CPU or like more RAM or like things to make that server more
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performant. But you that gets harder and harder to scale because there's only so much CPU and RAM
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you can add. But there's like you can do infinite servers with no SQL. So that probably ties back to
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the serverless stuff you were saying where that makes it better with we're not better. But like
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you're more likely to use it with serverless stuff because it's all in that same sort of thing.
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It's like, oh, you just spin up as many servers as you need. You run the thing and you spin them all
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down. So like that fits that paradigm better, I think. What do you mean by better for multi-row
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transactions for SQL? I don't know. That is what it said online. But my guess is what that means is like
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you want to change 500 rows and like you want to add a to their ID field or something. Maybe that
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like doing things like that is better. I'm not sure why. I don't have the why for you. We can
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theorize as to why. Like I would think perhaps once you have all the references to those rows,
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it's easier to change the thing or something than it like maybe you have to iterate through them
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in no SQL or something like that. I'm really not sure. I'm underwhelmed with that response.
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Yeah. I was hoping that writing some of these things down you would just kind of know some of
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it too because you've done more with this stuff than I have. Right. I mean, so today started working
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on a project working with an existing project that uses Prisma, but with my SQL versus Postgres.
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And so Prisma enforces a schema kind of regardless, but obviously of tools along the way with which
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you can add and change in migrate and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's the way that if you
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have multiple tables though, and then like your references with multiple tables isn't just so
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clear as it is with like Postgres, right? You know, like I have a user and they have reservations.
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You just essentially are you go to your reservations table and you look for the user ID relation,
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right? That's like kind of easy and it's not really straightforward like that. Like you can
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fudge that stuff, but it's not essentially how they want you to deal with relations as much.
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In no SQL you mean or in my SQL? My SQL. So my SQL doesn't have like a foreign key on
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like your reservation as a foreign key to the user ID or whatever. So it has foreign keys and
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primary keys and some of that stuff, but like there's you can only have single ones is the difference
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that I can take it. So you essentially you can define your foreign keys and primary keys, but you
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can't like when you say you have a user that has reservations and has preferences and has
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it gets weird when you have multiple relations, right? So you would have to make separate tables that
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kind of join the tables in my SQL, whereas exactly Postgres, you can just say like, oh it just
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is related to these 10 things and here's their IDs or whatever. You can have a reservation that has
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your relation to a user and your relation to maybe a location and your relation to that kind
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of stuff. So it's easier to have multiple relations and then in my SQL or Dynamo was like that a
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lot too or you didn't have like these access patterns across entities in the same way if they had
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multiple relations really. Yeah. And Postgres, I think a few projects that I've been on the reason we
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used it was because of like PostGIS or whatever, like if you want location data, it's kind of the
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default because it has the best like GIS support, I guess, of like any SQL solution. So that's a
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couple of wins for Postgres over my SQL. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it just seems like most of the time
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you can just throw everything at Postgres and it's fine. You can sort of out you've got a lot of
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options. So, you know, unless there's some scalable argument or performance argument that I'm
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unaware of which is highly possible, then just in general as a user for the DX, it seems pretty easy
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just to go with Postgres and go down that path. Yeah, I mean, SuperBase uses it. So it's got to be
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good, right? Yeah, it's got to be great. That's someone else too recently. But anyway, I don't know,
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PostICO is a cool GUI for messing with it. Yeah, all the fun stuff. Yeah, I mean, I don't have to
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touch database as much, but when I do, I like that they are Postgres usually. Yeah, and so maybe
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that's just a side effect of our experiences. There's other areas and communities where they're like,
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no, I know how to get things done and be productive and powerful with other things. So yeah,
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certainly anyone can hit us up on Twitter and straighten out our assumptions totally. Yeah,
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at Whiskeyweb FM FM, not on your AM dial. Yeah, yeah, I think I never really remember having fun
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with a project that was in like SQL server or my SQL like Postgres. It was fun sometimes, not
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but I never remember having fun with my SQL. And maybe in the end, it'll work out all just fine.
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Like I said, this project is using Prisma and Prisma has nice sugar around accessing entities.
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And it just lets you, as you would expect in a relational database, like say reservations,
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find all, pass it a per amp where user dot user ID equals this or whatever, something like that.
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Like you can pass it in pretty nicely in JavaScript. And Prisma is cool like that where you say,
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is this Postgres, is this my SQL, is it whatever else? It's still the same syntax from your access
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perspective there. And then they just make it work. Gotcha. So so far not to not crazy. Yeah,
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I haven't used that. I just had to like use tools to manually insert new users and make some
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adjustments there. And I was like, yeah, I guess this is a little like post-acode, but like not
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exactly. And some of the columns, like I said, with the foreign and primary keys a little different.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like that it gives you a defaults, not the right word, but like a syntax
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that works across an agnostic syntax, I guess it works across some different layers is nice. So
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then you just have to learn Prisma. And it's like, oh, what am I using? And here you go.
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Oh, yeah. So you've not used Prisma before? No, they haven't sponsored the podcast yet. So
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are they into whiskey? Maybe we should invite them on. I don't know. I've been, I've used to,
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we should cross a few projects actually. I guess this will be the fourth one maybe or something
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that's used it. Yeah. And it's just an ORM. And it just gives you nice sugar for like saying,
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hey, Prisma, what are your entities, right? What are your models or entities and, you know,
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users. Find one or find specifically, you know, give it the first one and pass in some stuff,
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magic happens. So it's like a more verbose imber data. Yeah. Oh, I don't know if it's more verbose
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because imber data. And I know RunSpired is probably going to be annoyed. I say this off hand.
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But like, so imber data has a lot more going on. But I know what he will say or I assume what he
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will say is a like, well, that's your choice, right? You don't have to take it all. And it's a
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separate bit of packages. So offer some similar things. And so for you, I think that syntax
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would be appealing. It doesn't serialize and deserialize and all that kind of fun stuff like that.
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Okay. Right. So it just gives you exactly what the data is. It's not like, it's a pass
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through of whatever your response is. And it's not going to like, yeah, it does do though like a
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schema check in the sense of like, if you get an integer and it's supposed to be a string,
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it'll throw up, you know, things like that. Okay. So if you get like wrong data types, it does
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do a check on that. So that's cool. But in general, it's just like access patterns that are
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same. Yeah. Across all these databases. And EmbroData though does is can you use EmbroData
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directly on a database connection? Or do you? It's always like a fetch, right? Yeah. So that's
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the other difference, I guess. But like syntactically, I think you would find some things familiar.
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Right. That's one of the things I liked about it is like, oh, I've kind of done these before.
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So this isn't hard. Yeah. I mean, it sounds cool to me. I don't know if I'll have a project that's
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not an embed that I can try it on anytime soon. But Astro and Solid using Prisma. That would be
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an interesting stack. Yeah. There's only used it next JS in their API routes. And it's kind of
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real straightforward in that because API routes essentially end up being like serverless mini APIs.
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Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think I would love to do a lot more Astro and Solid. But I don't know,
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I don't know the world is 100% ready for it yet. They don't know they're ready for it. There's
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a lot of people doing cool stuff in them. But it's like the major players in the technology space
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are not like, oh, yeah, let me rewrite my app in this real quick. Right. So I think it'll get there.
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It'd be cool to have a Greenfield project with, you know, Carp Blanche and say, we think this
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is the best option moving forward. So I mean, I wouldn't mind doing like doing an Astro Solid
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test and then doing just a straight solid start test and also looking at the pros and cons of
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those two. Because I'm certain there are like, there's times where one versus the other. Well,
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solid start is more like a next JS type of thing. Right. So it's like, it'll do more like server
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side or client side or static or like whatever you need. And then like Kenland itself to more
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interactivity than Astro Wood. Astro is really for mostly static things within like you can escape
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hatch that if you need some interactivity, which is in my opinion, what 90% of the web is. It's like,
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here's this information. And then maybe after you've read the information, you want to hit by now
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or something. Yeah. Well, it was a small portion to that. Yeah, because you kind of wonder in the
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sense of like, you know, if you were thinking about like an admin portal, I mean, could you pull
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that off an Astro? Should you? Maybe. I mean, do you want like your forms, your forms, forms are
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forms, right? But when you're looking at tabular data, things like that. So crowd operations in an
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admin panel. I mean, I think you could do it. Yeah. I'd love to talk to Fred about this. We're
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going to have him on in a couple of weeks. And that's kind of my main thing I want to talk to him
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about is like the use cases for and against Astro. And mainly what do you do in complex apps with
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a lot of interactivity and doing lots of data fetching and manipulation and stuff because they don't
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really have great docs on that until we write them. Well, there you go. That's the challenge. Yeah.
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Contribute contribute contribute contribute. So we'll find out. Maybe if I get a NASA jacket,
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Nate. Yeah. There you go. Oh, that'd be pretty cool. Yeah. I forget what I was saying before that.
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But is the time to move to what not yet? What time are we at? Well, we can bounce back and forth.
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You know, oh, no, we're not that far in. We should probably do some more. No, we made some assumptions
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around the use case and because I'm not really clear. I know Solid Start was released. I know it's
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intention is for it to be sort of like your next JS or whatever to get started on scaffolding
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out of app and patterns. And I guess the CLI along with it, that kind of stuff. But I haven't
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looked at it. We used solid obviously in some parts of our site, but outside of that, like,
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dabble. No, I don't know for sure. So that's kind of like why it would just give me excuse to dig
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into it and like say, I'll okay, I can do it this way or I can do it this way. Right. What are
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the pros and cons of each? Well, have you read the remix docs? Because the docs are the same.
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All right. Oh, that's okay. Right. So you just basically everything's the same and it's fine.
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It's just really about branding. Right. No, I haven't. I mean, I've dug through the remix docs
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a little bit. I forget what I was looking up and something that Ken was talking about. And
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I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah. It was probably like an intro. He talked about like the intro docs
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or something and just kind of pulls you through how things work. Yeah, but not since then. No.
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Yeah. I never got a chance to try it for anything before they were acquired. And now like,
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I don't know. It's just not as hip and cool once you're acquired. I feel like some people probably
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think the opposite way, right? If like, Oh, you've been acquired. That means you're validated.
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I should try it or whatever. Right. But I don't know. I like the astro community feel and like,
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yeah, just open source and no one owns it. And I don't love when places own a thing and then take
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it a different direction or whatever. Probably depends on whether you agree with said direction
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or something. I mean, because I mean, nobody owns Ember, but there's been a lot of monetary
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contribution from some large corporations, which inevitably affects things. Right. So there's
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that. Yeah. So I mean, can't be cool hip independent band forever. Sometimes you get signed to
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a major label and the music's still fine. Yeah. Yeah. You're not wrong. Yeah. I mean, maybe we should
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try it out. I did enjoy that like no one understood what any of that stuff was because it was like
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just a generic word remix, right? And like Shopify buys them and someone sees like a quick headline
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about it. And they're like, Oh, like Spotify bought Michael Jackson's remix to something. Like,
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they bought a song or something. It's like, no, Shopify though, Shopify, we should clarify. Yeah.
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Because it would have been a lot cooler if it was Spotify, just in the sense of like, Oh, the remakes
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of all, yeah, Taylor hits greatest hits. I mean, and Michael Jackson, come on. Yeah, I am Michael
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Jackson MJ. Yeah. It's controversial still though, isn't it? Michael Jackson. I mean, I don't know.
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I grew up in the 80s. And so, you know, I have like you could at the toy store get the glove.
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And then you could be like, I have the glove. Michael has a glove. It's cool. And I don't know. Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know if we can endorse Michael Jackson the singer, but we can the person right
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endorse Michael Jackson the person who worked on remix. Like, yeah, I think having the same name
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is like of no consequence. Right. Of course. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying I endorse Michael Jackson
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the singer. I'm just going down maybe a rabbit hole of what not around. What's the line?
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We're in. You're not allowed to play Billie Jean anymore. So my stance on all of this is
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separating the artist from the art. And I know a lot of people disagree with that. But
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right. Within reason, and I don't have a firm line for you. Like, oh, maybe if he blew up an
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entire country or something, there's a line that he's crossed. Like, right. You can't come back from,
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but like, when it's gray area and some of the things can't even be proven or whatever.
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Yeah. But it's like clearly with all the rumors and the things that like some things happened
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at some point, maybe not the best dude in his like personal life. But maybe he's not Arkelli.
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You know. Yeah. Yeah. Arkelli was pretty. Yeah. He's a he's a it wasn't hard to let go of that
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music too though. So I guess there's that too. I have a lot more attachment to Michael Jackson
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songs in the 80s than I would like Arkelli. Yeah. Arkelli is like similar to today's Chris Brown.
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Oh, right. Where like he's got some hits. It's kind of cool to listen to sometimes. But it's not like,
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oh, this is like I'm reaching for this song or anything. Yeah. So when Chris Brown also inevitably
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goes to prison for life, that'll be okay. There'll be one too many women and finally it has just
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two. Yeah. We'll see. Hmm. Interesting. Well, anyway, there you go. You didn't have that on the list
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of things to talk about. That's weird. No. Goes where it goes. So how was your holiday? It was
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fine for the most part. We host Christmas. And so that tends to be a bit hectic. I'm of the opinion
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possibly next year. We forgo hosting and get on our plane somewhere cool like Hawaii. We'll see.
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over this season. Yeah. Decent new years too. I went to went back to Roca Accord, which oh, yes,
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went back to Roca Accord, which is a Japanese steakhouse slash sushi place here in Scottsdale.
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Just one of our favorite restaurants. It's just a lot of like small plates for sharing and that kind
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of stuff. And oh, it was so good. Yeah. I did that and then went to a friend's a friend of my wife
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was turning 40. What did turn 40? And so they did a big new years thing for that. So went there a
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little bit. It was home by 10 30 though. Nice. And did not make it to the ball drop. We were like,
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and we're tired. It's 1115. I don't care. Yeah. So I'm going to flip my thing, my topics around
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here because you had mentioned steakhouse. Okay. So the I believe it was a type of
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Wagu that we had had at Roca Accord. Yeah. That was amazing. I loved it there. Recently, like,
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I forget when now, maybe like a week ago, we went to a restaurant, like really fancy restaurant.
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And I got some Wagu, but I think it was like a fancier one to where it's like not
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steak like at all anymore. It's more like a pork belly or like something like totally different.
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Yeah. So there's different grades and stuff too. So there's like if the kind of you got sounds like
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the very expensive A5 grade Japanese Wagu. Yeah. And I have had that too. It is kind of like
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putting a piece of butter in your mouth. And then it kind of just melts away. And it's interesting,
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but it's I don't think it's bad per se, but I do think it's like very rich. I think to like,
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you end up getting just like a few ounces of it. And that's more than enough. Yeah. So I didn't
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know what I was doing. And just it was really expensive. And I was like, okay, I have to buy this
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in two ounce increments. I'll just get six. That's a normal steak size. But it's more of a like
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two ounces almost would even be enough. It's more of a like I want to taste it for like the experience.
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It's not to eat a steak. Yes. And like yeah. So it was way, way different than I was expecting. And
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like I didn't feel sick per se, but it was like so much like greasiness basically that I was just like,
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I don't love that I had this much of this. It's a lot of like congealed fat. Yeah. I mean,
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let's be honest, like Japanese wagyu A5 is like super marbled. He's incredibly marbled. There's
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is much fat as there is meat in there. And so it's just a ton. And then when they do when they cook
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it and it ends up like breaking down on everything, you do, you're just like having slices of butter
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kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Like the first time I had that, I did it like some of that. And it was basically
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like a Pepsi challenge thing. So it was like that. And then normal American wagyu. And I was like,
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Oh, well, I mean, very different experiences. I thought both were tasty, but I could eat a
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steak of one. And then the other year, like, yeah, this is plenty. Yeah. So I've learned now.
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But it's, it was disappointing because I was like looking forward to a normal steak. And then
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I was like, Oh, this is not that. Now I'm hungry. Turns out my body doesn't run on pure fat. Yeah.
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In spite of popular opinion. Yeah. And you put it on here as just wagyu is not great. But you
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should be specific. Yeah. A five grade Japanese wagyu. Because you have Japanese wagyu, but it
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wasn't like a five grade at Roka core. Right. I think they offer it. But you know, yeah, I knew that
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you would correct me on the details. I didn't need to be descriptive in the bullet point. It's
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weird. I think wagyu in general is supposed to be about process or something like, I don't know,
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being super tender and a particular kind of diet and like whatever else. Because like there's
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American and there's Australian too. I don't think I've had the Austrian. Yeah. I don't know.
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But we're burning back to holiday stuff. Yeah. So we went to, well, first we went to
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Ronoke and my parents. And we're there for like a week. Did my parents Christmas party. It was
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pretty fun. Then went down to Florida. Christmas Eve. So like we were like, oh, cool. It's going
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to be nice and warm down here. It wasn't. It was like 42 degrees or something, which was like to
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be fair about 40 degrees warmer than it was at home. So it was still a lot warmer. But those
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storms that came through, we didn't have those during Christmas. We had our cold, our cold rush
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cold. You know, it's 59 degrees today. So it's like pretty cold for us. But Christmas day was 72.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah. No sweaters needed. Yeah. But I think it was a good mix because I
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could wear some sweaters for a few days. And then like it got to be like 80s towards the end.
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And I could wear shorts for a couple days. So it was good. Definitely lived up to like normal
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Florida type of experience, I would say. Not that it's bad. I think a good way to describe it,
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I was talking to some people about it was like, you know, if you're in kind of the Key West vibe
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all the time, like I'm going to wear shorts everywhere, right? So like that kind of vibe, which,
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you know, I used to subscribe to always wearing basketball shorts everywhere. So I get it. But
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like we were looking for a fancy restaurant to go to for like a date night. And it's like not a
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thing because like everything needs to be shorts accessible, I guess. Hawaiian shirts or whatever.
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Yeah. So what part of Florida were you in? It's kind of matters. It kind of doesn't. But
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it's Panta Gorda or Punta Gorda. So the people there said Panta. But I think that sounds really
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harsh. We were saying Punta. Punta Gorda. I don't know where that is. It's 30 minutes from Fort Myers.
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It's like on the Gulf side, Southwest Gulf side. Okay. So pretty far down. Okay, there we go.
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Yeah. My brother lives in St. Pete, like Pampa area. So yeah, that's closer up to the getting
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into the peninsula of the Gulf or whatever. Right. So this would be like closer down like going
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towards Miami. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think it's like a couple hours from Miami. Okay. Could have gone
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down to see Will Smith get a slap. Well, they did recommend they're like, oh, go down to South
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Beach for the night and like get a hotel or whatever. And we're like, do you know how old we are?
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Like, I recognize that we're not that old, but like inside. That sounds like a lot of work. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, and then you get there and it's like, I'm not going to go to a club. Or if I do,
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it's going to be like more of a low key. Like, I don't know. I don't want like a dance club anymore.
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That's just not my scene. No, I would say did you have your son with you?
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Yeah, but the grandparents had offered to just keep them and we go down. And I was like,
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Oh, you know, I, I like that part. Yeah. But maybe we just get a hotel right down the street and
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like, don't even go. You just tell them you did. And yeah, that would have been amazing. Yeah.
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And yeah, and just look like nice reservations and good to go. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
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obviously, Miami's a decent sized city with dining options and stuff that, right? But yeah,
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South Beach, that's kind of the vibe. I don't know. People watching would be funny. I wouldn't
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go to a club, but if I went down there and if it wasn't with children, because you know,
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it's going to be so loud. That's the other side of things. Yeah. I'm just also at the point in my
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life where like, if I have a night free, what I don't want to do is drive two or more hours.
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And then the next day drive two or more hours. Yeah. Because then I've just wasted all that time,
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which is like the equivalent of the amount of free time I might have in a day. So it's like,
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it's just not worth it anymore. Yeah. I get that, especially at this age for your son,
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it's sort of like the crap shoot. So if I'm going to, I want to maximize that downtime,
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the quiet time, self time. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was always someone who needed some recharge
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time alone. And then you have kids and then that stops ever being an opportunity.
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Your spouse and yourself are kind of back and forth. What do you mean you have 30 minutes to
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yourself? I'll be taking 30 minutes now to myself. Enjoy your time with the kids. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yes. It is very much like that. And it's a hard balance because it's like, I'm working all day.
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And I'm like, I would love to have like 30 minutes free when I get home or when I'm done working.
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And just it's like, no, because Caitlin's been watching him all day. So she wants 30 minutes free.
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So it's like, yeah, yeah. But we have a good schedule. Yeah. It sounds like you don't ever make
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the mistake around like, but I've been working all day. And then she's like, oh, I said that like
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maybe one time. And yeah, you don't, you don't do that. Nope. Nope. Guess what? They're both jobs.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you come back and you're with the children. And, and then you're like, well,
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now they've gone to bed. Maybe I can have like little time to myself. And then your spouse is like,
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well, you don't want to spend time with me now. No. Of course I do. Let's put on 90 day fiance.
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So you'll be excited. Yeah. I mean, luckily, like we're good about that balance. We have a few
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shows we watch together. And then Caitlin has stuff she wants to watch. And I have stuff I want to
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watch. So sometimes we'll just watch different stuff. And yeah, doesn't have to always be the same
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like watching something together. I have started and or three times. And for whatever reason,
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every time I like started on my own, I just, it's the night that I'm going to fall asleep in the
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middle of a show. I hear it's great, but they can't get it started. Yeah. So having a real challenge
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there. I still haven't watched past the first episode. Because it's just like there are other
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shows I'd rather watch. It hasn't like drawn me in yet. Yeah. I think it will, but it just hasn't
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gotten there yet. I still need to watch season six of Peaky Blinders too. Like, oh, yeah. I've got
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a number of them. That's so good. That one, like watch one of those and you'll remember how good
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it is. And you'll want to watch the rest. Yeah. And then you get into the vibe too. Because like,
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you need to pay attention a little bit to their accents to understand what's going on. And then
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once you do, you just want to keep watching because you're like, okay, I got it now. Let's just keep
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this going. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't disappoint. There's lots of killing and lots of twists and
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turns. And, you know, I was worried because he was kind of like losing his edge a little bit
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in some of the previous seasons and stuff that it was going to be not boring, but just like,
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but it, no, it's good. Is there going to be another main character who comes up and like takes
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over or something? Yeah. That was kind of making you wonder like, oh, this is kind of the fall,
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right? Yeah. But no, it's very good. Highly recommend. Fair enough. Fair enough. Did you ever watch
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spirited as I recommended? So we started it and we could not finish it. Oh, when we were like,
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do you not like musicals? Not really. But I like, you know, satire and that kind of stuff,
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but it was a little too much singing for both of us. And we were like, I don't know. I get the vibe
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they're trying to do, but it's just not working for me. I don't know. So yeah, I loved it. I mean,
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I think it was a little more singing than I would have liked if I'm being honest about it. But
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I think I like that they poked fun at that where like the guys like, no, no, we don't need a song
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here. There's no song like no, oh, there's a song. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what it was just a
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lot of that. And then it was like, oh, this is a running joke. We got like, I don't know, halfway
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through. We both were like, we can't right now. We can't do any more of this. Okay. I don't know.
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Are there other musicals you have like, like, did you like, what's it called?
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One with Hugh Jackman. Greater Showman. Yeah, but mostly just because of like, I watched it with
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my kids and they were just, they loved it. So it was kind of like fun through them. I'm not sure
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I would have been into it on my own. Gotcha. I remember there was a Woody Allen like satire musical,
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called like everyone says I love you or something. I had like Edward Norton and I want to say like,
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maybe Drew Barrymore or something. But there wasn't a ton of singing that there was like singing
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because it was a musical, but it wasn't like crazy. Right. I don't know. I remember liking that.
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I'm not sure if that would be the case 20 years later still. I mean, it's been a while since that
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was out. Yeah. I guess similar like, did you see Hamilton when they put it on Disney or
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do you play ever? No, didn't go see it, but did watch it on Disney and found it interesting,
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but it wasn't like like people were did go and see the Book of Mormon. And that was funny.
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Yes. So that was great. I like the Book of Mormon. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, like Hamilton,
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for me, it was like, it's not singing per se because a lot of it was like wrapping or whatever.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's a thing. But it's, I didn't love that it was like literally like they say maybe
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three to five words before the next song hits. Yeah. My type of, if it's going to be a musical,
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give me like a couple of scenes of normal dialogue and then have a song to reinforce the dialogue
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or something. Yeah. I don't like when they're singing back and forth to each other the entire time.
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Yeah. And while I was getting that vibe out of spirit, I don't know. So yeah, I don't know. I
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liked it. I mean, Ryan Reynolds isn't and then he can do no wrong. So, you know, right. You
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can't wait for Deadpool four. Oh, yeah. Isn't three? Yeah, three is the next one. I don't know.
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And four, though, as many as he wants to make. Yeah. I mean, it helps fuel his
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football team. So did you watch Welcome the Rexham then? No, I need to watch it. There's more
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Rob McElaney than there is Ryan Reynolds. But still he's there. He's a big part of the process. So
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yeah. I mean, Ryan Reynolds is good in everything in my opinion. Like he's good in his
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meant mobile commercials. Right. So why not this other show? Yeah, there's fun. Did you watch the,
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you know, Letterman has the Netflix show. My next needs no introduction or whatever.
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What is it? Like my next guest is needs, you know, something like that. Yeah. And so he did one
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where he goes over to their house and has the interview at Ryan's house. And then Ryan also
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has a pizza oven to make some pizza and stuff too. It's kind of funny. Interesting. Yeah,
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I didn't really watch that. I used to watch a lot of like comedians and cars eating coffee or
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whatever. Yes. That was a good one. Yeah. I'm big fan of that. Yeah. I like cars. I like
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comedians. I never really started the Letterman one though. I kind of cherry pick. I think I watch
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like the first season kind of cherry pick the second. It's been kind of the same with everything
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since then. So it's like, I don't know. I'm not really into Kim Kardashian. She has quite a
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platform already. Yeah. I don't know. I watched the Kanye one, but you know, it's like,
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it's like watching the Titanic as it's sinking. You know, there's nothing I can do about that.
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Man, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. He's definitely jumped the shark at this point. So
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there you go. How far is too far? Can I listen to Kanye songs anymore? I don't know. I mean,
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I can listen to the good albums, right? Like, yeah. So that's another thing is like, if they do a bad
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thing, is everything before the bad thing? Okay. Is that fair game? Yeah. So because if so,
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he's not making good music anymore now. So it doesn't matter. Yeah. There's no loss.
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I never bought those ugly shoes. Yeah. So, you know, like all those things are fine. Yeah.
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I also think it's how public is the thing. If you wear the shoes, people will see you wear them.
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Listen to the music at home. Yeah. Like, people are into weirder, more fucked up shit than like
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listening to an old Kanye song. Right. I think it's not that bad at the end of the day.
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I mentioned Woody Allen. Like, I haven't watched any of his movies in a while, but I have enjoyed
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his movies definitely throughout life. Do I get to go back and watch any more? I don't know,
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because I mean, I do think he did some, you know, fucked up stuff. So yeah, I mean, does anyone
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listening like House of Cards? Right. Yeah. Because you're all canceled.
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Like, right. Yeah. I thought that show was amazing. Yeah. That's the art from the artist.
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And I'm sure if we looked at lots of like heralded artists throughout time, I mean, if you had
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today's investigative systems and like the speed of information and stuff, I'm sure lots of them
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would be canceled. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of that is like the more powerful you become,
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the more you think you can do whatever you want. So you're like, there's no consequences if I do
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this thing that I would never do before. But like, maybe I'll try it now. And then there are
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consequences, actually. I mean, it's certainly why I seek more and more power as I get older.
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Because I just want to be able to say I'm going to do whatever I want. But I think my things that
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I want to do are probably less controversial. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I just want to buy like
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a million dollar collectors one-off car and then like drive it for a year and drive people crazy
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like that. I want to buy like James Dean's first Porsche and then drive it until it falls apart.
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Write your name on it whenever it gets to collect it or not. Yeah. Exactly. In Sharpie,
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write my name on it or scratch it into the door or something. I can just enjoy it because I think
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that like things like purpose-built things. I feel this about whiskey, right? There's a massive
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whiskey culture around collecting bottles and getting bunkers. And oh, I found this rare bottle.
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And so I bought a five or on the shelf because screw everybody else who could have also enjoyed
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this thing. And if you want one, I'll sell you one for a thousand dollars so I can pay for the other
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four I bought. And like it's just like a real like it's an asset. And it was distilled to be drank.
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Yeah. And so I don't like trophies like that. I just have a thing against trophies. So I would
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want like, I mean, you know, this is not a kids show. I want fuck you money so that I could like
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take things that are inappropriately collected and use them for their initial purpose.
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You're like the guy that like stands in line for days gets the first iPhone and then breaks it
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in front of everyone for the like shock value. No, I don't think I would do that. It's not a shock
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value thing. Like I would get the first iPhone. I wouldn't buy the first two and then resell the
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second one for ten grand more because, you know, I'm greedy. Right. I would take the thing that I
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think is being inappropriately kind of protected. You know, and we're not talking about like art. I
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wouldn't like buy art and destroy it. I would like buy something that maybe someone is sitting in
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a warehouse, you know, buying a rare Lamborghini sitting in a warehouse and be like, start that thing
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and drive it and take it on a track and yeah, like enjoy it for what it is. Yeah, that's fair.
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Oh, I don't care if its value is hurt by this activity because one day I won't want it and
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sell it to someone the next person who gets to also enjoy it because now I've done the thing you
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weren't supposed to do to the fan to that. Yeah, that is true. It's always like nerve-wracking when
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you get a new car and you're like, oh, I can't like spill anything. I can't scratch anything. But
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as soon as it gets a little bit dirty, you're like, all right, I can just enjoy this thing now. Yeah,
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I have to worry about every little thing. So yeah, I get that. Yeah. So those are my big rebellious
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moments with power. And I guess I'm linking power to money to to tightly, but I think that
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probably rings true to a degree. And a popular thing to say, oh, I want money. So I have power, but
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I don't think it's a prerequisite. However, it's much easier to be powerful with a lot of money.
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Right. Yeah. So I guess it depends on your goals, too, like the kind of power you want to gain.
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Right. I would want to buy inanimate objects and cause use and wear to them, not to humans.
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So I don't want to buy humans and use them. So in case anybody was wondering, it's not on the list.
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All right. We have a few minutes left. I'm just going to circle back to new years for a second.
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Well, I guess you didn't make it up until time, but so we found out, and I didn't know about this,
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that the guys on CNN are actually lit for the New Year's show. Have you heard about this at all?
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Well, I know that we turned it on and we were like, what is it? It's probably what kind of made us
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decide we could just go to bed. I don't know. We were like, we got back, poured a little champagne,
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and we're like, okay, what? And we don't have like over the air TV and all that kind of stuff.
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So we're like, what New Year's shows can we watch? So we didn't get to watch Myle or whatever.
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I think CNN, Don Lemon was in New Orleans doing a thing, but it was weird. It felt like somebody
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was recording it from their iPhone and streaming it on CNN. Okay. So the problem, too, is you're
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in a different time zone, though. So like the New York guys, it was Anderson Cooper and what's the
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other guy's name? I can't think of it. But last year, they both took a bunch of shots on air
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and got really hammered. And like, basically CNN forbid them from drinking this year. Oh, wow.
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So like, then they were just bringing on other people who would take shots for them. So like,
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Kevin Hart comes on and he's got a new tequila brand and he's like, all right, I'll just take
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like two or three shots of this for you. And then like they bring on, I think like Anderson Cooper's
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parents or something. And they're like, yeah, he's a Vanderbilt. And they're like 90 and they're
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like, Hey, let me drink these shots of tequila or whatever. And that's funny. Yeah. And then the
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apparently like we didn't even realize because we were just having a good time and probably had
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a few too many drinks, but like they missed the countdown for the New Year. Like they were listening
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to back that ass up and missed the countdown. Wow. And then they were like, Oh, oops. It's the
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New Year now. Yeah. But then they went to New Orleans like after that. And they were just randomly
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talking to like people about, I don't know. It got very different like rap old rappers that you
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would like kind of heard of but not really like from New Orleans. Yeah. It was just a real like.
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And I think like, like I said, the production quality just made it seem weird to me. Oh, yeah. Okay.
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Don Lemon, like I guess maybe he's from there and you know, just kind of doing that New Year's party
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totally fine with that. But it like I said, it felt like somebody was recording on their phone.
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And yeah, I don't know. It did feel like that. And there was like a big laundry basket of seafood
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that they had like cooked because they did like a big like shrimp boil or something. But it was in
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like a laundry basket. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. That's a weird place to put it post boil. Yeah. I don't
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know. And all in. Yeah. Anyway, all right. That's enough for this one. Thanks everyone for listening.
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